Episode 292 - One More Time w/ Scott Carelli

One of Brad's favorite guests comes back to the show one more time. Scott Carelli is here to talk movies!

Episode Transcript

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From Geppetto Studios in New Freedom,Pennsylvania. Welcome to the Cosmic Geppetto podcast,
your home for inclusive, positive geekculture where we talk about movies,
comics, music, books, andwhatever else we feel like. Please welcome
your host certainly got to pedigree.He's good looking guy, just doesn't feel

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like he's connected yet. Brad Mendenhall, Hey kids, it is episode two
ninety two of the Cosmic Ship Podcast. Very excited one more time, Scott

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Corelly is back. Scott, ofcourse, best known in the world of
Cosmic Geppetto for our annual summer moviepreview, but since this show wasn't making
it to the summer, I hadto have him back one more time and
just started to talk. Scott's oneof my favorites, really smart guy,

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so dialed in and he's a greatconversationalist. I was so honored that he
was willing to come back. Anywho, I haven't done this a lot
for a while. I've been doinga little bit more with the many episodes,
and this obviously hasn't many episode flairbecause I am driving while talking,

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but I'm going to do a review. This past weekend, I took the
kids, and we saw Wish.That's the new Disney animated movie that did
not do well, either in thebox office or critically, and there's been

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plenty of discussion about it. Isthe one hundredth anniversary of Disney. As
such, Wish did a lot ofEaster eggs or cameos referring to the animated
movies in the past, and apparentlythere was also an I don't I'm not

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very well dialed into this. Otherthan what I've heard other people talk about.
There were some issues with production.I believe they laid off a bunch
of the animators part way through thecreation of the movie Wish, which led
to a little bit of a qualitydip in the animation. Watching the movie,

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and I have a good eye foranimation, not a great eye for
animation. Every not just Dizzy movie, but animated movies. Usually each one
seems better than the last, andI've noticed in more recent animated films,

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especially the better budgeted ones, therewas a better texture to the characters,
so it made him gave them alittle bit of an extra dimension. I
thought that might have been missing alittle bit from this, but I didn't
certainly didn't walk away thinking that theanimation was bad. Plot wise, Yeah,

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I thought it was fine the andit's it's received a lot of criticism
because it's a world of magic,and when you have a world of magic,
it is very important to sort ofset the parameters because magic can become

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a deucesmachina, and if you don'thammered down the rules, then the entire
plot can become meaningless because oh,you could just magic. You have the
part of my my clearing my throatallergies have been getting me pretty good lately.

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With Wish, I did notice therewas a little bit of that where
the star who is the wishing Starthat it becomes a sidekick to the main
character. Sometimes stars helpless. SometimesStar can create magic wands and other allow

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animals to talk, and can growchickens really bigger. There's all sorts of
weird inconsistencies. It's like, Okay, is Star a powerless creature or is
it an all powerful creature? Andthe answer tended to be whatever made the
plot move forward. Chris Pine voicedMagnifico, the villain of the piece,

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and I think Pine did a verygood job with the dialogue. He's got
a great expressive voice now where Ithought Chris Pine was a little overwhelmed.
And I think the part of themovie that most interested me was it was

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a musical and Chris Pine, he'sa good singer, and he was in
a world with great singers. Thewoman who voiced the main character was an
amazing singer, and a lot ofthe supporting players in the movie were amazing

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singers. And Chris Pine has agood karaoke singing voice, not a lead
in a Broadway musical voice. I'veseen him sing before. He did a
one or two song and dance numberson SNL and the same thing. I
thought, the same thing. He'sfine, not bad. He can carry

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a tune, stays on key.But Disney has done a good job of
getting some amazing vocalists for their movies, and the songs are definitely Broadway musical

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style songs, and you can lookyou can be quickly overwhelmed if you're just
a good singer. And I wouldnot do better in the scene place.
I am not disparaging Chris Pine.I just feel bad for Chris Pine because

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I think he was outmatched by ascene partners. Especially there was one song
and it was the best song calledat All Costs, which was a duet
and man he was overmatched and itwas a really good song. So so

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I would say overall, I likedthe movie. I think I liked it
better than most critics have. Idefinitely thought it deserved more success than it
achieved financially. The criticisms I've heard, they're not wrong. But I walk

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away from that movie thinking it's like, Okay, did my did my kids
like it? Did I like it? Were there's some good songs? And
yes, yes, yes, Iactually when I got in the car,
I pulled up my music streaming serviceand I replayed one of the songs.

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So I don't know how much moreof that you can ask did I'll give
it a shot. If you're notgonna go to the theater to see it,
it'll be on Disney Plus before youknow it. I would say,
it's definitely work that worth. Watchme the feeling you would bring, I
think it untrue, and people searchfor a wander like you all of their

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lives. You still amaze me.Have to old this time you pull me
in la like some kind of windmen's memorized by the holder. I'm in
leave you here out of wanna.I wanna frommis as one does. I

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will protect you at all costs,keep you safe here in mys I will
protect you at all costs. AhCoast wants pain. When I look at

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you, know why I get explainedyou, even if I try to,
I'll never dream like guy. Youjust don't know if someone tried to hurt
you at home, see how thatcould happen. I fly for you the
ways you can't imagine that this.No, I haven't a home. It

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would be all right to stay rightbeside, dude, and from a doors.
I will protect you. Had acost, keep you safe. Fear
in moss, I will protect you, had all costs. If you ever

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feeling like a lost I don't findyou, then no sense. There's no
smosly in the press to be run. Mind you and not just voice your
noser myspos Hi, mind you andcall this aus wish. I will protect

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you and no cause, keep yousafe here in Mysi. I will protect
you and no cause and all comereturning for one last time. One of

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my favorites and true story. WhenI decided it was time to wrap up
Cosmic Treppetto, one of the firstthings I thought is, like I don't
get to I don't get to talkto Scott Corelli every year for our Summer
movie preview. So Scott Corelli's backbecause I had to have you back one
more time. Oh well, Iappreciate that, Brad. I will be

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sad to see these go. Whatstruck me is it wasn't that long ago.
We had our Summer movie preview episode, which is always one of my
favorites to record, and it's onethat gets a lot of love from our
listeners. It was a weird summerbecause a lot of movies made a lot

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of money but still lost a lotof money. And I'm thinking specifically the
most recent Fast and Furious film,the Indiana Jones movie. Sure, if
you just look at the receipts forthose films, you would think, oh
wow, that's really successful. ButI mean, these are movies that are

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costing two hundred and fifty three hundredmillion dollars, right. And then there
was a little movie that could releasedJuly fourth, twenty twenty three, a
movie that we did not talk aboutbecause of course you wouldn't Sound of Freedom.
Oh sure, yeah. The budgetwas fourteen point five million. It

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starred Jim cavisl barely awake. Well, I mean it was also barely It
was also made like seven years ago, so it just sat on a shelf.
Yeah, cost fourteen point five million, made almost two hundred and forty
million. I haven't watched it.My understand is it's bad, but it
does look like a professional movie.Yeah, it's either it's either it's either

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bad or the greatest movie ever made, depending on who you ask and their
political leanings. Yeah, I sawpeople aren't familiar. Basically it's taken,
but a little more Christian. Uhno, actually, because it's it's not

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if I'm if I'm not mistaken.It was purchased by one of those like
faith based companies and distributed by them, but it was originally made. It's
just it's just taken, only likewith kids instead of an an adult or
teenage daughter. Like it isn't taken. It's children, and it's like a

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guy trying to save a bunch ofa bunch of kids. And you know,
with all the conspiracies and everything goingaround about you know, all of
that stuff, that's why it kindof looped into all of that political stuff.
But the movie itself, my understanding, I've not seen it. Myself.
But my understanding for people who haveseen it is that it's just an

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action thriller. It just has allof this other baggage on it now because
of who's distributing it and who they'remarketing it to. And again starts Jim
Caviezel, who he's part of thatworld and he's a little looney in interview.
Yes, for sure, definitely.A friend of mine, a young

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woman I went to college with,saw it and she just posted online that
she really liked it, and itwas just a perfectly normal Hey, I
saw this movie and I liked it. Yeah, and it's it started a
shit show where somebody commented it's like, well I couldn't watch a movie that
is so obviously propaganda, all right, fair, okay, And then someone

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replied to you. Someone replied tothat woman that comment or is like basically
saying, well, if you don'tlike it, that means you must support
child slavery. I was like,whoa, right, right, this is
the this is the problem. Soyeah, I mean that movie is a
success because of the baggage that ithas. It was also the I forget

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if it was the production company orif it was a church that was outsourcing
this or what. But there wassomething going on where you could buy a
ticket through the website for someone elseto use for free. So there were
people involved with the movie who werebuying, you know, hundreds of thousands

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of dollars worth of tickets, andso a lot of the people that saw
this movie in theaters didn't actually payto see it in theaters. They signed
up on this website and got afree ticket and then just went and saw
it. Yeah, there was alot of talk about the the movie being
astro turfed, I think it's theterm, and a couple of folks saying
that, like they bought a ticketthat was or they got ticket in the

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movie was allegedly sold out, andthey go in, there's sparse see,
yeah, not a lot of peoplethere. There's a there was a a
slash ful article about this. Theythey investigated this sort of the best that
they could with a you know,movie blog budget, and uh, you

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know, he went to multiple screeningsin multiple cities and he said that the
thing that people aren't taking into considerationis that like when they took that that
picture that was like went viral aboutlike the empty theater, the pre like
the the pre role hadn't even startedyet, and they were like, well,

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I showed up and sat in myseat and it was empty. But
by the time the trailers were throughand the movie was starting, my sold
out theater was basically like eighty ninetypercent full. I don't know how how
much stock we can put into thatparticular conspiracy theory, but I do think

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that there's a lot of tickets beingpre sold that people some people are taking
advantage of and some people are not. So I don't know. I think
it's somewhere, it's landing somewhere inthe middle. It's just a it's a
very weird phenomenon the whole thing.I'm not trying to pull in you into
a conversation about that movie, particularlybecause honestly, I don't think it's that

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interesting. These movies are a diamonddozen. They're low budget. Go to
any go to your Walmart, andyou'll see dozens of movies that is like,
wait a minute, Bruce Willis wasin what And there are movies that
get people that were big name arestill have a little bit of value to

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their name, and they were ina movie and it's a lower tier action
film. This just happened to beone that caught on for several reasons.
But what struck me is it madea lot of money, and it made

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more profit then, like I say, fast and Furious Indiana Jones. I
mean, who knows if you actuallylike broke down and like looked at like
where the money for those ticket saleswere coming from, you know, because
if it's coming out of the samepocket that's getting the money, then their's
shear's shifting money and you're also losingmoney. But you're making it look like

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it's a big success when you knowit wasn't. And the people who took
a free ticket wouldn't have necessarily boughta ticket to watch it. They would
have just waited until it popped upon I don't know, Roku channel or
wherever it would have ended up goingto. You know, it's a very
weird outlier on all of this,but I mean, yeah, certainly,

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I think, if I'm not mistaken, I think it was intended to be
like a direct to vod movie originallyby the you know, the people who
made it, and then it itended up you know, they went out
of business, and then this faithbased company bought it, and then decided
to distribute it because they were like, this is about a lot of stuff
that a certain type of politically mindedperson is really really obsessed with right now,

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and put it out in I don'tknow, seemed to be some form
of a success. How familiar areyou with that world, the video on
demand movie world? Slightly? Iknow that, like you know, there's
it's a lot of foreign directors,which is this is the case with this

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movie. I believe these are Itwas directed foreign directors who legitimately have to
worry about their kids being kidnapped inthe country that they're from, and so
they made a movie about that,And so yeah, I don't know,
I think that, uh, youknow, I know that their their thing

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tends to be. Let's get likea a a an old a lister,
somebody who used to be an Alister. It might not be so much
anymore, and let's put them inthe movie. Let's fly them out.
They can shoot three scenes only theircoverage, and we'll get them out of
here, and then we'll make therest of the movie around that and have
their stand in for any coverage inthat scene, and we'll be able to

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put their face on the box andHopefully it'll get people to rent it or
buy it or whatever. Well that'swhat Bruce Willis was doing for the last
five to ten years of his career. Yeah, it costs a little bit
of I don't know if controversies throughright term. They're not the rotten tomatoes,

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the raspberries, oh, the goldenraspberries. Yeah. Last year they
basically had a category just for worstBruce Willis performance because he did six movies
in the previous twelve months and youwould see clips of these movies. I
remember specifically one scene where he's ina car saying his lines and it's obviously

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he's looking down on his lap wherehe has a cue card with his lines,
and then not within weeks of that, it was revealed that he the
man has the degenerative disease. It'seffected, right, Yeah, I think
I think the Golden Raspberries are probablygoing to go away sooner rather than later,

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because they also nominated like a childactor for Worst Actor and then had
to take that back as well,so they've been making a lot of mistakes.
I think. I think the goldenraspberries were a thing that people in
the nineties, eighties and nineties whenthey everyone was really cynical about pop culture.

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I think it was a thing thatsome people thought was funny. And
I think that we as a societyhave sort of grown past that, and
I think I think the Golden Raspberriesprobably just need to go away. Just
in general. There would also bea little bit of fun to them.
When Halle Berry showed up and acceptedher own award. Yeah, sure,
Bill Cosby when we still liked BillCosby showed up, Sandra Bullock, when

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it felt like they were in onthe joke. It was like, okay,
you know, and that's fine.But then when you're right, they
had they nominated a child actor.Also, in retrospect, I believe they
had. They realized that Shelley DuvallMemory Serves had won or been nominated,

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and in retrospect it's like, oh, she was dealing with mental health issues.
Sure with these video and dependent movies, this one Sound of Freedom Again
budget was fourteen point five million.Is that a normal Well, first,

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and I that isn't verified. That'sme looking at up. You know it's
been reported and it's on Wikipedia,but grain assault, But is that a
standard budget for one of these movies? Uh yeah, I would say so
yeah, because there's a lot ofthere's a lot of like action and stuff,

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and that that stuff costs money becauseyou used to have to pay for
safety, you know, yeah,stunts and stuff like that. So yeah,
and and and you know I Iwould say a large part of that
budget probably went to cavizl the sameway that a large part of those budgets
probably go to Bruce Willis or wentto Bruce Willis. So yeah, that
makes sense. That's about I feellike that's around where those those like action

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thrillers end up budget wise. Whatstrikes me is, and I'm not the
first person to say this, mediumbudgeted movies are definitely are no longer hitting
theaters or much less frequently. Youget some genre stuff, But when it

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comes to the summer, the blockbustermovies have become so expensive and it requires
such a huge both domestic and internationaltake for these movies to break even.
And I'm wondering, is there goingto be a studio that says, we

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are we are spending ourselves into sucha big hole that it's getting harder and
harder to dig ourselves out of.Is somebody going to like learn the right
lessons from this. It's like,Okay, we can make a movie for
a smaller budget, get away fromyou know, get a marketable star,

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ramped down the special effects, andget a lower get a lower point where
we get in the black. Imean, that's a big question because there's
a lot of different avenues that youneed to explore with that sort of question.
Because on the one side of things, you have the studios who are

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all like, you know, buyingeach other, and the tech companies and
everything. You know, they're allbuying all these studios and and it's it's
they're they're turning them into like superconglomerates. There's now the rumor that Universal
and Warner Brothers might merge so thatthey can be competitive with Disney uh,

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and at that point you would basicallyhave two super conglomerates, and then you
would have Netflix and UH Paramount andParamount I think is also probably looking for
a buyer and could theoretically merge withI don't know, uh, Lionsgate or

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you know, one of the othersmaller distributors and try to make it go
out of it that way. Butif you have but if you're in a
world where you have let's say twosuper conglomerates. You know, if if
Apple buys Disney and then Warner Brothersin Universal merged, this is like a
healthscape that I don't want to reallythink about. But in that world where
that happens, the uh, Ithink they those two things, those two

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super conglomerates, they do not change. They continue to make massively budgeted movies
that have to make three billion dollarsto be successful, and that just keeps
going up and up and up andup. However, I think that Paramount
then could have an opportunity where theysay, Okay, we're no longer like

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one of the big studios anymore.There's we're not going to be a super
conglomerate. There's two of those.The world doesn't need another one. So
maybe we go back to our rootsand we start making movies like The Godfather
or whatever. We start making oscarplays again and focusing on that and spending

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you know, under fifty million onten movies, and if one of those
pops, then it justifies the restof them. I think there's a world
where that makes sense. If Paramountmakes makes that make sense. You also
have studios like A twenty four whoare now looking at expanding from their art

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house fair that they've been doing intomore populist stuff. I think they got
a taste of success with everything everywhereall at once and don't want to look
back. So they're looking at likesort of diversifying the kinds of movies that
they make. And they're looking atyou know, the article that I read
was they use the scary IP word, but IP means lots of things.

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You know, it could be bookadaptations that's technically IP, you know,
so I wouldn't I don't foresee atwenty four trying to like, you know,
I don't know, buy a comicbook company or anything like that,
or start making comic book movies necessarilyoutside of like maybe like indie adaptations or

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something. But I don't think theywould make like a Superhero movie, if
that makes sense. But yeah,they are looking at making Road to Perdition
was a comic book totally exactly exactly, so, you know, they want
to make some action movies, andI think they want to make more comedies,
and I think that they want tomake more adaptations of IP stuff.

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I know they were one of thepeople chasing the the rights to Halloween when
that was, uh, that wasup for grabs. I think Miramax ended
up getting it, but they werelike one of the final studios that was
trying to do that. So yeah, like I I think that there's going

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to be other options, but Idon't think the super conglomerates are going to
be doing that anymore. Because evenif you look at Oppenheimer, which made
a ton of money and was amovie for grown ups and was a drama
about a bunch of people in periodclothing talking and rooms and made you know,

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almost a billion dollars, Well,that had the best marketing campaign ever,
just tying the Barbie Heimer thing.Sure, but they didn't even do
that, you know, like thathad nothing to do with them. That
was just they were. They werejust trying to put out a what do
you call that, like a yeah, like when you put out two movies

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with that are supposed to be fortwo different audiences the same way. Counterprogramming,
that's the word. Yeah, yeah, Yeah, they were just trying
to counterprogram Barbie. They did notexpect any of that to happen. In
fact, I would I would saythat in marketing, Barbie leaned more into
it than Oppenheimer. Ever, didthey just let it happen, which was
the smart thing to do. Butyou know, even looking at Oppenheimer,

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that movie cost one hundred million dollars, so it was still a blockbuster budget,
you know, like it was nota movie made for fifty million dollars
or less. It was a onehundred million dollar blockbuster, which means minimum
it would have had to have madethree hundred million dollars just to turn a
profit after marketing and making up forlike back end deals and movie theaters.

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So yeah, like the I justI just don't think that the big studios
are ever going to change. Ithink that you're going to see a lot
more like that. If they makesort of art house ye kind of movies,
they're gonna still be like one hundredmillion dollar behemoths. I mean,
we've got a two hundred million dollarMartin Scorsese movie opening in theaters soon,

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made by Apple. So yeah,I think that what's going to happen is
the smaller studios that don't get boughtby the bigger studios are going to have
to evolve into focusing on domestic grossesand and and and treat international grosses as
frosting, but make sure that they'remaking their money back on the budget in

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domestic uh and and uh and hopefully, you know, take a lot more
chances for hope, hope on biggerrewards. All of that being said,
on the other side of that,you have a movie like The Creator,
which didn't do very well, admittedly, but that is a movie that looks

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like it costs two hundred million dollars, but it only cost eighty million.
And I think that movie's legacy isnot going to be that of a successful
film, but it is going tobe a legacy of teaching Hollywood that the
way they've been making movies for solong has been needless, needlessly expensive and

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incorrect. I think that that couldchange things. Why why didn't Why didn't
that catch on? Why didn't theycreate it? Felt like awareness of the
movie wasn't there. It's it wasit was a generic title, it was
no bankable stars, it was youknow, opening in a period where I

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think people were more interested in horrormovies, and so I think it didn't
open like opposite, like The NunToo or something like that, Like it
opened against something that made because itopened at like number three in the box
office or something like that, soit just didn't. It just whiffed it.
And I think that it's because it'snot what people were interested in in

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the moment. I think it justcame out at a bad time. But
I also don't think the movie's great, Like it's fine. It's like a
very like like it's like a Bminus kind of movie where you're like,
yeah, that was pretty good,but the effects look incredib and cost a
fraction of what like you know,just for example, ant Man of the

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Lost, Quantumedia cost and the effectsin The Creator look a lot better.
I like Quantumnia fine, it wasa little bit of an eyesore. I
was like, by the way,Creator was released the same weekend as Saw
ten Patrol. That's what it was. Yeah, right, that's what it

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was. That's what it was.You're right, You're right, so yeah,
so it was it was it wasbeat I saw ten in Paw Patrol,
you know, so yeah. Ithink people wanted to see you know,
Jigsaw torturing people because it was We'regoing into the Halloween season and that's

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just like where people's heads were at. And I think that the Creator made
a mistake opening there. I feellike it would have done like, I
think The Creator would have been areally good, solid hit if it had
opened in like January, one ofthose things where they're like, oh,
they're dumping this movie. Oh,actually it's pretty good, that kind of
January hit. I think it couldhave. It probably would have made twice

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as much if it had opened inJanuary, because it feels like that kind
of movie. It feels like asurprisingly good January like dump. That's not
a knock against the movie, Likethe movie again is fine, but it
doesn't belong where it was being released. And yeah, but I think,
but I do think that that movie'slegacy. I think I think I can't

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remember which studio put out The Creator, but I'm sure they're not regretting yet
because you know, Gary Edwards liketaught them how to do v effects in
a way that doesn't cost a bajillion dollars and was able to make a
movie that was his vision start tofinish. And you know that vision doesn't

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work for everybody, but it's stillhis vision, which is more than you
can say for a lot of Marvelmovies, just for example, John David
Washington. They are it seems likethey're trying very hard to turn him into
a star. It certainly got topedigree. He's good looking guy. It
just doesn't feel like he's connected yet. Yeah, I wonder, I wonder

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if it's like a situation where heis, you know, when you look
back at like Denzel Washington, right, his father obviously, but just to
like as a comparison, Dennel Washingtondid a lot of dramas before he turned
into like kind of cheap action guywhere you know, a Denzel Washington movie

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was like, you know, himpunching people or blowing things up or yelling
at people or whatever. But itwas like some kind of like action or
thriller drama thing. But before that, like he was like a drama guy,
you know, like he was likea he was like a you know,

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chasing for an oscar. And thosemovies aren't getting made anymore. And
if his son is interested more muchmore interested in those kinds of movies,
well those movies aren't really getting made. And so we end up seeing him
in Tenet, which is, youknow, one of Christopher Nolan's worst movies,

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and The Creator, which you know, I think he's good in,
but nobody saw and isn't gonna beIt's not exactly a flashy role that's gonna
make him stand out. And soI'm wondering if what's shooting him in the
foot is his own interests as anactor and the lack of opportunities for that

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those interests, if that makes sensethis wo WO. I wonder if you've

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seen some of some of the prestigework it's now being done on streaming services
and it's not movies right now,it's mini series. What was it?
Under the banner of Heaven starred AndrewGarfield and Garfields he's been able to get

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between the respectability of his stage workand some of the smaller budgeted stuff.
He was sort of able to shakeoff the stink of the Amazing Spider Man
movies and then he was able tocome back as Spider Man and people all

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of a sudden, people liked AndrewGarfield after the Spider as Spider Man a
lot more after the Amazing Spider Manmovies flopped and flopped isn't really the right
term, but after they disappointed.You've seen a couple of actors sort of
have a chance to show their stuffdramatically by getting that prestige Amazon Prime show

(40:36):
or Netflix or whatever. And maybethat would be a good direction for him,
a chance to sort of show hischops a little better. Yeah,
I think he would do really wellon like a prestige like HBO series.
I think he should probably avoid ifhe wants to make a mark, he
should probably avoid the streaming services specifically. I don't think he would stand out

(41:01):
there, and they might not evenwant him because the he's not a name
yet. And so you know,when Netflix puts Julia Roberts in a limited
series, people were like, wow, Julia Roberts is doing a Netflix limited
series. We should pay for Netflixthis month so we can watch it.
No one's gonna say that about JohnDavid Washington. Whereas with HBO, it's

(41:22):
kind of like, well, everybodyalready has HBO, and everybody it's every
show is kind of like part ofthe cultural consciousness, and when it's not,
you know, you feel it becauseyou're like, wow, I feel
like nobody's talking about HBO right now. And then that show gets canceled,
like that that Laker Show or whateverthat was on for like, yeah that

(41:46):
did get canceled, Yeah Winning Time, Yeah that got canceled. The second
season was airing, and I waslike no one is talking about an HBO
show right now? What is airingon HBO on Sundays right now? And
we had to look it up andI was like, oh, it's that
Ending Time show. Weird, noone's talking about this. And then it
was like a week later it wascanceled. That should have been a one

(42:07):
one and done probably, Like oneof the most interesting stories is about how
Will Ferrell and his uh was AdamMcKay their relationship blew up because of that.
Yeah, you know, it's nevergreat when that's that's the thing everyone's
talking about, is an actor who'snot even in the series. Yeah,

(42:28):
but yeah, I think you're probablyright. But I think I think HBO
is probably the way to go,like an HBO I don't know, like
like if he like if he wasthe star of like a like a like
a True Detective type of show onHBO, that could probably be a really
good fit for him. That'd beawesome. It's funny to the True Detective

(42:49):
such an interesting series because ever thefirst season happened, and it went a
long way to rehabilitating Matthew McConaughey's reputeHaitian for sure, because he had gotten
lost in the quagmire of low effortrom coms, and everyone's like, oh,
he's actually, we forgot he's notjust good looking charismatic, you actually

(43:12):
when motivated as a very good actor. And then every subsequent series there would
be that, oh, well,this could be so and so's chance to
rebilitate their career. And it didn'tdo that for anybody, Like every subsequent
season less less and less of amark. Well they were less good.
I mean that second season was sucha quality drop that I don't even think

(43:32):
most people watch the third season.And now the fourth season has a new
showrunner, so it's basically a newshow. I don't even know why they're
calling it True Detective, to behonest, but I don't know. I
am interested in the new season.I do like Jody Foster. Jodi Foster
is great, and you wont shedoesn't feel like she necessarily has a place

(43:57):
in Hollywood anymore. No, No, Siles. The Lambs was so wonderful
for her. No one else couldhave done that the job she did,
the way she did it, andshe was wonderful. They she did what
it was at Maverick with Mel Gibson, and that was sort of her leading,
romantic, leading lady role. Yeah, and then everything else it's she

(44:19):
she doesn't that's not really her,that's not really her bag. No,
and she she's tough to find.She's a little weird to put in movies.
Yeah, she has. She hasa little pops throughout her career,
Like Panic Room was a big hit. But yeah, in general, you're
definitely right. Panic Room was great, but it was also a weird movie
because you know, it was kindof action, but she wasn't Ripley as

(44:43):
Sigourney Weaver as Ripley. Sure,she wasn't a badass. It was smart
and kind of clever, and youknow, it was a different movie.
And that's what she is. She'sshe's so I think she a true detective
could really play into that. AndI like Jillie Foster too. Fun.
She's a very good actress. AndI find her likable mostly because and I

(45:07):
don't think that's even a thing thatshe ever worries about. So there's a
I don't give a shit about herthat I've always liked. This summer,
there was a lot a bunch ofips took some damage. You know,
I look at Fast and Furious again. It lost money and there's still another
movie to go. There's one movie, one main movie to go in they're

(45:30):
talking about the spinoffs and stuff.Now they had the you know, big
surprise of Dwayne the Rock Johnson showingup at the end of the movie.
Is that gonna be enough of acourse correction or has that boy, I
don't want to say this has it? Or has this series worn out of
gas? No? I think theythen bringing the Rock back if he's legitimately

(45:52):
back in the next movie and thatwasn't just the setup for his new Hobbes
movie, the Hobbs and Jason Momoa'scharacter movie that they're making. If the
next Fast and Furious actually has Hobbsin it, that movie will make a
lot of money. Yeah, definitely. I think people want to see him

(46:14):
back in that series. And Ithink I think that the series, both
the Fast and Furious series, hasbeen losing steam without him, and so
has the Rocks career. It hasbeen losing steam since he left the Fast
and Furious series, and I thinkhe knows that. I think that's why

(46:36):
he's back. So you don't thinkhe had a heart to heart and realize
how important Vin Diesel isn't is tohis life. No, No, I
think he had a heart to heartwith himself and realized how important The Fast
and Furious this franchise is to hislife and career. He I like The
Rock quite a bit. Black Adamwas there. It seemed like a really

(47:01):
an unforced error. I think kindof common with d C the old DC
universe. We don't really know what'sgonna happen with the new DC universe,
a lot of unforced errors where theytried to make a black they I was
looking forward to Black Adam being thebad guy in a Shazam film, Yeah,

(47:21):
which which which The Rock next,and instead doing a Black Adam movie
first is a character was very lowawareness and and he's supposed to be a
bad guy. And you and Italked about this a while ago, the
Recks he's a big teddy bear.Yeah, it didn't work at all.

(47:42):
And and not only did it notwork because of like who was in it,
and and I mean it was justan ill It was just ill conceived
from the beginning. But also themovie wasn't It was nothing like I mean
it was. It was like areal like, Oh I forgot that I
watched that the second that it endedkind of movie. It was nothing.

(48:05):
It was just it was just absolutelynothing. So yeah, I mean,
I guess congrats to him for finallygetting his Black Adam movie made, But
that's what you were fighting for allthis time, because yikes, it was
just yeah, it was just nothing. Like I don't, I don't know
what the thought process there was atall. The Rock understands, it seems

(48:31):
to understand his brand pretty well.Sometimes it seems like the more he gets
involved creatively ends up being a littlethe movies end up feeling like nothing right
because he doesn't you know, hegets things in this contract about like you
know, how he can't be hurtand this stuff like that because of his

(48:52):
brand. Yeah, I mean,I know why it happens. It's just
as a studio, I don't knowwhy you greenlight that. Like okay,
fine, Like I respect your choiceto not get punched in the face more
times than you punch people in theface. Like I respect your math on

(49:15):
your little equation in your contract,but I'm not making that movie period,
you know, I just don't.I don't know why they green light that.
He hasn't had a great track recordoutside of Fast and the Furious.
His movies. I feel like theyall sort of have a cap on them

(49:35):
in terms of like what they're capableof making, and you know, if
you go outside that budget, it'srough. And then this one had all
the baggage of like, oh,the universe is ending, and there's this
whole thing where he was trying totake over DC Studios like he like,
I think Warner Brothers was between JamesGunn and the rock as like the architect
would who would go on to bethe architect of the DC universe going forward,

(50:01):
And they ended up going with JamesGunn because everyone loved Peacemaker and the
reviews on The Suicide Squad were verygood and the reviews for Black Adam were
not good, and he shoehorned HenryCavill thing in there that just confused everybody
and made them angry and reignited allthe Snyder bros. And said, like,

(50:24):
you're you lied to us, andyou know, Warner Brothers just being
like, I mean, we didn'tpromise you anything he did and he's not
running things, so like, Idon't know what to tell you. I'm
sorry, I don't know. Itwas a mess. It was a mess
and should have never happened. ButI also don't think that I don't I

(50:46):
don't think the Rock was the rightchoice for Black Adam. Just because he
has a similar skin tone doesn't meanthat he's the right man for the job.
I mean, I literally think,like I don't know, someone like
his Ahmed would be a more interestingchoice as Black Adam. But I don't

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know, what do I know?I always thought that the Rock would have
been a better choice for Shazam.Sure so Woohn John Cena would have been
good too. Either one of themwould have probably been a lot less annoying
than than Zachary Levi was in thatsecond Shazzam movie. And I like Zachary

(51:38):
Levi, but I know he doesn'twork for the role because he was too
young, he's too old and etcetera. Zachary Levi is Billy Batson. He's
he's the guy that turns into Shazam. I I mean, my my thing,
because I mean they're doing the bigthing. You know, there's versions
of of Shazam where Captain Marvel,Shazam whatever, he is a completely different

(52:06):
entite. He's like Captain Planet toBilly Batson. And then there's like this
new version where Billy Batson is hejust becomes an adult and is the superhero.
So in that world, like hemakes sense. But my problem is
that the ari is is it whatis his name? The kid who plays

(52:28):
it's like aster something. I thinkthe kid who plays Billy Batson is too
he was to street savvy. Yeah, he's too street savvy and just too
like chill, Like he's not alittle kid the way that Zachary Levi plays
Shazam. And so it's just likebaffling because it's like, are you paying
attention to the other actor who's playingyour character or are you just ignoring that

(52:52):
and doing your own thing because he'sseventeen years old in this movie and you
are acting like a twelve year oldand that doesn't really make any sense.
You would see the kid before turninginto Jazama, and he's he looks like
a cool kid. He looks likea kid that would not have talked to
me in high school. Yeah,totally. He looks very stoic, and

(53:13):
you know, he doesn't look likesomebody who's like like playing video games with
a twizzler hanging out of his mouth, which seems to be you know,
Zachary Levi's take on the character.Yeah, I love that first Jizam movie
to pieces. That was always mycomplaint with the with the first one,
and then they just ramped up thedifferences between the two characters, the two

(53:37):
versions of the characters and the secondone to a point that was just untenable
and made up original villains, whichwas a stupid mistake. Oh yeah,
they had they set up everything withwhat was it, mister Mind, and
then they just have another post creditwith the same characters, like okay,
this was You're not getting another biteout of this apple guys, right right

(54:00):
right? Yeah, I don't know, it's frustrating. I mean, my
understanding is that they were just ina holding pattern because the plan was that
Mister Mind was going to put togetherthe Monster Society of Evil and that was
going to be the plot of thesecond movie, and the mcguffin of the
movie was going to be the resurrectionof Black Adam. Like they were like,

(54:22):
oh, we have like a finalthing that we're going to do,
like the evil people, and we'regoing to bring back the guy that like
you know, destroyed the the ShazamPowers originally, and he's going to be
like our guy and so he wasgoing to be like a mcguffin because of
the Rocks Black Adam deal and theRock wanting Black Adam to be introduced in

(54:44):
a solo movie. He nicked thatand basically forced them into a holding pattern
with hopes that they would be ableto tell that story in the third movie.
That will now never happen, andI think they just had to scramble
and be like, well, damdoesn't have a lot of villains, but
you know, he's involved with likegods and stuff, so maybe we can

(55:04):
play around with that. And that'swhat they did, and it was not
very good. Unfortunately, you alludedto it or you mentioned it. James
Gunn is co head of the DCCinematic Universe just DC Universe, Yeah,
just DCU. How do you thinkthat's gonna work out? Because I have

(55:27):
a lot of I have a lotof concern about it because I just don't
know if I like James Gunn.I don't know if this he's a great
fit for that. I don't knowif he's a great fit for that.
I don't I really don't know ifhe's a great fit for directing the next
Superman movie. I think he is, but I I understand why people are

(55:52):
trepidacious based on his track record,but I also think that as much as
he does this sort of like Idon't know, you know, bet you
never thought you'd hear a superhero saysomething like that kind of thing, with
like the Suicide Squad and Peacemaker,I think his Guardians movies are way more

(56:16):
earnest and heartfelt that people give themcredit for. And I think that he
is a filmmaker who has long wantedto evolve out of the thing that he's
known for. And I think thathe sees Superman as a chance to make
a very earnest film while also bringingsome of his sensibilities to the character in

(56:40):
a way that will hopefully like updateit to modern audiences. Because he wants
to make a movie about a guywho just wants to do the right thing
in a world where doing the rightthing is old fashion. That is the
pitch that he had for Superman.That is Superman. But I think that

(57:01):
there is a part of James Gunnthat will be able to modernize a lot
of the more dusty elements of Superman, the things that roll that people roll
their eyes at, and the thingsthat people think are irrelevant, while also
making a movie that isn't Zack SnyderSuperman, which is glowy, red eyes

(57:22):
and a guy who never smiles,and you know, I think that that
was certainly an approach. I don'tknow that that Superman, but I respect
its existence and I respect that peoplelike it a lot. But I think
that James Gunn has a chance ofmaking a Superman movie for modern audiences that

(57:47):
isn't just another remake of Richard DonnerSuperman, which is has long been The
problem. I think is that thatmovie got so much so right that there's
a lot of filmmakers that you know, were kids when it came out and
are so inspired by it, they'rejust like afraid to mess with it.

(58:09):
And I don't think James Gunn isone of those filmmakers, and so I'm
looking forward to him finding a wayto update Superman as he is in the
comics, you know, for modernaudiences. That's sort of like all old
fashioned aw shocks. Lois kind ofguy. I would love for him to

(58:31):
get that right, and I thinkthat the casting so far is phenomenal.
I think that the casting of LoisLane, specifically getting missus masl to play
Lois Lane. I don't think that. It's like it's the most perfect comic
book casting since JK. Simmons.I think as Jay Jonah Jamison. I

(58:51):
mean, it's just so obnoxiously perfect. And I don't know David corn Sweat
very well. I saw him inPearl, and he was very good in
Pearl, and so you know,I'm looking forward to meeting his Superman.
But that casting the lowest Lane castingspecifically, that's the one that I was

(59:12):
like, Oh, he gets it, he gets Superman. I like once
that once he went with her overthe other two actresses who were up for
it. I was like, oh, no, he gets it. He
understands what makes Lois Lane Lewis Laneand what makes Superman Superman. I'm not
worried anymore. Who are the othertwo? Do you remember? Oh?
Man? One was a girl fromsex Education, that Netflix show. I

(59:38):
don't remember who the third one was, no fair. I thought Amy Adams
was really good casting as well,but they just didn't do a lot with
her. Now I hated that Ihated her casting. Yeah, yeah,
no I don't. I didn't.I really hate her as Lois Lane a
lot, and that's something against AmyAdams. I like Amy Adams and lots

(59:58):
of things, but she does doesn'thave Lois Lane energy. She has Oscar
drama energy, and it's not thesame thing. It's not She was missing
all of the fun of Lois Lane. And I mean partially that's because of
how she's written in those movies.But like, I don't know, there
was just nothing. I don't knowwhat Clark saw in her. Yeah,

(01:00:23):
I thought I thought there was amissing chemistry between the two of them.
I think they have good. Yeah, they have good kissing chemistry. You
know, I'll give them that.They look they look great kissing. But
I don't know, there's just Idon't understand. I don't get what.
Like, nothing in those movies tellme what they see in each other.

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It felt like they were getting togetherbecause they're supposed to, because they're Clark
and Lois, and that's just whathappens. I remember in Superman versus Batman,
after the first scene with Lois wherehe saves and then later they're talking
in one of their apartments and Clarksays, it's like, well, they
were threatening the woman I love.It's like, WHOA really? Yeah,

(01:01:07):
someone was left on the cutting roomfloor because I did not see that progression
in their relationship. No, itdoesn't, It just doesn't. They did
it all off screen because they didn'twant to waste any time on it,
and and that to me, that'sthe juice, like and the one thing
that you don't have to worry aboutJames Gunn leaving on the cutting room floor
is character moments. If you sawGuardians Volume three, that movie, if

(01:01:30):
if you wanted to call it overstuffed, you could. I wouldn't,
but you could. And it's butit's over stuffed because it's full to the
brim with character moments that don't necessarilyneed to be there. But it's why
you go to those movies. Oh, the the action was a little underwhelming
in the third one. Not bad, yeah, but when I think of

(01:01:52):
the big action scenes like that towardsthe end, when they're like going down
that hallway and fighting all the sortof nameless aliens, it's like, Okay,
yeah, this this is fine.But I enjoyed more mantis. Arguing
with Nebula, I also think it'sa much more sort of emotional, emotionally

(01:02:15):
driven movie than the other two wherejust in general, So I don't know,
but yeah, I'm excited to seewhat he has to do. I
like that he his plan seems tobe I want to make movies that I'm
interested in, and that's it.It's not you know, he's not really

(01:02:37):
it doesn't really seem like he's worriedabout it leading to something and you know,
maybe it will eventually, but he'snot. You know, he's not
worried about announcing I don't know aJustice Society movie or Justice League movie or
you know, God helps christis onInfinite Earth's movie or anything like that.

(01:02:58):
You know, he's not man.You just put that into the universe.
He's not. But he's not interestedin in announcing that. He's just like,
no, these are the kind Theseare the movies and shows that we
want to make because it's the stuffthat we're interested in, and we're gonna
make all of these good and that'sall that matters. And I don't know.
I respect that take. Hopefully it'llit'll like get people back into theaters

(01:03:22):
to watch DC movies. I thinkthat his Superman movie will be a massive
success. That is my belief,but I don't know, we'll see.
I want to just take one lastminute to defend Amy Adams or why I

(01:03:45):
thought she would have been good.I feel like it was announced not terribly
long after she had been in Nightof the Museum too, where she was
playing Amelia Earhart. Okay, shehad like that fun sort of clipped,
fast talking. Yeah, that felta little Lowest Slaine. Now it wasn't.
Of course. The problem is itwasn't a modern character, right,
Like it's sounded like Lowis Slane fromthe Old Cereals or the Black and White

(01:04:12):
Show. Yeah. I just thinkthat when I know they were going for
a grounded approach, but there's stilllike small aspects like Henry Cavill still found
spots to bring in the Superman thathe wanted to be and never got the
chance to be. Every once ina while he would find little spots where
you're like, oh, yeah,that is Superman, look at that,

(01:04:32):
and then the Zack Snyder would tellhim to grimace again. But every once
in a while you'd get a littleflash of it. But I never got
a flash of any Lois Lane iconographyfrom her. It just felt like,
Oh, I'm a grounded, youknow, reporter who has a lot of

(01:04:54):
ambition and get hyper focused on amystery and that's who I am. And
so when by the time they likefell in love and started like making out
in the in the in the pitthat they that the fight between him and
Zod left behind in Metropolis, Iwas like, I don't know where this
is coming from or why it's happeningtalking about Marvel. We are not too

(01:05:15):
we we have the Marvels or isit just Marvels The Marvels coming out pretty
soon. I just read one articlewhere there's concerns it's going to have a
pretty bit for for a Marvel movie. It's not their word is not protected
to have a great opening due tothe fact that the studios won't make a

(01:05:40):
deal with the actors, so theyremain on strike. Uh and therefore can't
promote the movie. And that's yeah, it's gonna hurt this one definitely,
because like, you know, howhow how can you possibly promote the Marvels
without having the actress who plays MissMarvel like playing with puppies on YouTube or
while being interviewed, you know,or going on hot ones or whatever.

(01:06:02):
Not. That long ago, everyMarvel movie was a guaranteed it was gonna
be a big movie and it wasgonna make a lot of money, and
Quantumnia did not make a lot ofmoney or did not make a big profit.
These aren't These aren't home runs anymoreor guaranteed home runs. What's the

(01:06:24):
buzz on Marvels? Because I've enjoyedthe previews because I like Brie Larson.
I think there was something missing forme in Captain Marvel that I think her
interaction with the young woman who playsMiss Marvel will really help, because she's
stoic and a little humorless or verystraightforward, and giving her, for lack

(01:06:48):
of a better ter, like awacky counterpart I think will really help.
Is the buzz on this movie good? The buzz on the movie movie,
I mean, seems to be mildindifference, is what it seems to be.
I know, when that first trailerhit, people were really excited,

(01:07:09):
like Marvel Marvel fans, or atleast the ones that in my circles were
really excited. But I haven't hearda lot since then. I just don't
know. Uh. The other thingthat's interesting is that this is the Marvels
will be the shortest MCU entry.I believe it is an hour and forty

(01:07:30):
seven minutes, So that's interesting andI'm in favor of that in theory.
I don't know. Uh, it'suh, it's it's I don't know.
I think the movie looks good.I really like Nia DaCosta. I thought
her Candy Man reboot was was reallyreally good. I think the fact that

(01:07:57):
she pitched this movie, like theypitched her what they were planning on doing
with Captain Marvel two and because theywanted her to direct it, and instead
she pitched them this story, andthey scrapped what they were going to do
with Captain Marvel two, which wasCaptain Marvel's Secret Invasion, and then turned
Secret Invasion into you know, oneof the worst TV shows they've ever made,

(01:08:19):
because they took Captain Marvel out ofit and therefore no one is driving
the plot forward anymore. But theyBut the fact that they scrapped that in
favor of what she pitched them,it tells me that this, this,
I mean, this must be agood This must be good, right at

(01:08:41):
least I would hope so. Andso, I don't know. I think
the trailers look really fun. Ithink it looks really fun. I'm looking
forward to seeing it. Uh,but it'll be it'll be interesting to see
how it goes. But I don'tthink Mark and Disney are. I don't
think they're going to be looking tooclosely at the box office for this one.

(01:09:05):
I think that they are prepared tolet it kind of slide under the
radar, because if they weren't,they wouldn't be releasing it right now.
They would have pushed it back theway that Warner Brothers push back d in
Part two? What do you thinkis the then going to be the next
big Marvel movie? Do you Itseems like people are excited about Deadpool.

(01:09:30):
Yeah. I think it's gonna beDeadpool three. I think that's going to
be the next No Way Home levelyou know, No Way Home Guardians Volume
three sort of level hit. That'smy guess that's the next. God it's
May of next year. God's no, it got pushed back. Oh did
get pushed back? Yeah? Igot it got pushed back because of the

(01:09:54):
strikes, because they're halfway done makingit so at this point, and with
the holidays so closed, even ifthe strikes ended like tomorrow, there's just
no way to get the movie doneand the visual effects done by May.
So there's there's a chance that itgets moved to July, and then Captain

(01:10:17):
America four gets pulled up to Maybecause it did finish shooting, so there's
a chance that that opens in May, or they keep Captain America where it's
at in July. Nothing opens inMay, and Deadpool moved to November and
pushes Thunderbolts back to next year,which hasn't even started shooting yet, so

(01:10:42):
that might be the way they go. There's a lot of buzz. I
mean, people just love seeing HughJackman and the Wolverine outfit. Yeah,
for sure, I think the moviecould be a mess. I'm definitely gonna
go see it. Sure, anymovie could be a mess. It's just
funny because it just feels really bigand a little bloated. How how so

(01:11:03):
what are you what are you seeingthat you think is making it bloated?
There's and listen, there's a lotof rumors. All this could be all,
this could be meaningless. But they, you know, they are rumorous,
like, oh, we're gonna haveWolverine, We're gonna have Ryan,
We're gonna have Hugh Jackman's Wolverine.We're gonna have Ryan Reynolds and Jennifer Gardner

(01:11:27):
is going to be in in hiselectra and could there be a cameo from
a Daredevil cameo? And can therecould be two different magnetos in it?
And oh geez, you know who'stalking about Harry Potter being the new Wolverine
and if he you know rumors,all of this can mean nothing. Oh,

(01:11:49):
Taylor Swift could be dazzler, Butit's also it's also Deadpool. You
know, all of those things couldhappen theoretically, and they could all be
in a montage to a Dolly Partonsong. Yeah, it could all be
a post credit or a you know, goofy cameos. Well, I mean

(01:12:11):
they're having there. It looks likethey're having their there. There's like a
set footage of Deadpool and Wolverine fightingin front of a destroyed twentieth century Fox
logo. So there's obviously some kindof like meta thing happening where I assume
they're going on a road trip toget to the MCU, that's my guess.

(01:12:35):
And it's like a very like metalook at the Fox era of Marvel
movies, which I don't know worksfor me for for Deadpool. And I
also think that like, I don'tthink they would have started rolling on this
if there wasn't a good script,because this thing was. I mean,

(01:12:56):
the script for this movie was indevelopment for I mean when did Deadpool two
came out in twenty fourteen, soit's been almost ten years. Oh my
gosh, yeah, it's it wasDeadpool two or was that twenty seventeen,
twenty eighteen, twenty eighteen was deadPool? Okay? Okay, so Deadpool
one was twenty sixteen, Deadpool wastwenty sixteen, Deadpole two was twenty eighteen,

(01:13:20):
So it's been five years. It'sbeen it's been in development for five
years, this script. So Idon't know, I have faith that they
wouldn't have rolled cameras because there's noneed to, you know, no one's
you know, I hate to saythat no one's waiting for this movie,

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because obviously they were, but like, you know, Deadpool was not part
of the MCU, so like itwasn't a requirement that they make this movie.
So I really do think they tooktheir time with developing it, and
I think Ryan Reynolds paid attention tothe I don't know, the fan reaction

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to Deadpool too, which was alittle lukewarm after the first one, And
I think that he just wanted tomake sure that they nailed this. So
I don't think this is gonna beI think this is gonna be really good.
I certainly hope so I did listen. Ryan Reynolds was born to be
Deadpool so much so that every everythingelse he does, he's just doing Deadpool
without the mask. And you know, Hugh Jackman, it's very cool to

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see him as Wolverine, is verycool to see him in a costume.
It'll be it'll be great to seehim having some sort of interaction with the
MCU. You know, there's definitelythings that I'm excited to see. I'm
gonna see it. I'm gonna seeit opening weekend. I just wonder if
I'm gonna walk out saying He's like, wow, that was That was certainly
entertaining. I got to see somecool stuff. It was a mess,

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which you're right, can happen withany movie. What are you looking forward
to over the next year, ayear and a half, or even something

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that's in production. Is there somethingthat you think is really exciting coming down
the pike. Is there a trendthat you're you think because when we it's
funny when we did our summary moviepreview, we said it could be a
turning point summer because a lot ofthe big ips were looking a little looking

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a little gas or we're closing upor getting close to the end. What
are you looking forward to and isthere a trend do you see coming?
I'm not seeing. I don't.I don't. I don't see any trends
that I can really think of thatI'm noticing because I think, I really
think the studios are kind of justlike throwing everything at the wall to see

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what sticks right now. But Ithink that there's a world where, I
don't know, they start to beinga little careful, a little more careful
on what they're spending their money on. I don't know, we'll see things
that I'm looking forward to very much, looking forward to the next mission.

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Impossible Dead Reckoning Part two Part onewas fantastic. Wish it had done better
in theaters, but they probably shouldhave pushed back the release date to like
Thanksgiving or something, because I thinkopening it like a week before Barbenheimer,
I mean, just murdered it deadand it's tracks. But I am looking

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forward to the next one. Obviously, I don't know when it's coming,
but I'm very much looking forward tobe on the Spider Verse, which is
currently undated. I'm very curious aboutthe new Captain America because I just I
don't know, it's very curious aboutwhat that is, what that looks like
with the vibe biz, Like,if is it going to be just more

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of like Falcon and the Winter Soldiervibes, or if they're going to go
back to sort of like Winter Soldiercivil war political intrigue thing, or if
it's going to be you know,some other third thing. I don't know.
I'm I'm very interested to see whatthat is. How did you like
Falcon and Win? I thought itwas mostly boring, Yeah, mostly boring,
But I also think that it wastrying. It wasn't trying particularly hard

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to be a television series, whichfrom my I guess, in my opinion,
I think that there's only been onetruly successful Marvel television series, and
it was WandaVision because WandaVision had anepisodic structure where each episode was an episode

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of a television series. And Imean, granted, I'm not even talking
about the gimmick. I just meanlike each individual episode had a beginning,
middle, and end as opposed toall the other ones, which were The
first two episodes are Act one ofthe movie, the middle three episodes are
Act two of the movie, andthe last two episodes are Act three of

(01:18:08):
the movie. Yeah, I'm gladthat they're messing with stuff over there to
like fix that, because I thinkI think their approach to television series has
been pretty rough. I haven't beenmaking it through the Marvel shows for a
while, and I really loved WandaVision, and I liked Falcon and Winter Soldier

(01:18:29):
well enough, but I didn't feela need to rewatch it or anything like
that. And I was like,it's and it feels like diminished returns,
not because they've been getting any worse, but they just haven't been getting any
better or any different. It's like, yeah, yeah, Okay, I
am. I'm very curious. There'sa couple of movies that I'm probably not

(01:18:53):
going to like that I am verycurious about, like Madam Webb, fascinated
to see what that's going to be. Supposedly comes out in February. I
just no idea, but I'm goingto be there opening weekend because I just
I'm so curious about what that's gonnabe. Same thing with the with the

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New Joker. Joker Foalia Do hatedthat first Joker movie with every fiber of
my being. But I'm still gonnago see this one because you know what,
Lady Gaga as he is Harley Quinn. That's pretty good casting. And
I guess this is supposed to bea musical, which is I'm fascinated at

(01:19:36):
the audience reaction to that set up. The same director as the first one.
Yep, same director, same writers, obviously, I'm I'm excited about
Venom three. I love those movies. They're dumb as a box of rocks
and I wouldn't have them any otherway. And uh yeah, I don't
know. Oh and Kingdom Kingdom ofthe Planet of the Apes I am amped

(01:20:00):
for. I can't wait for that. I just think, yeah, I
love the Planet of the Apes movies, and this one apparently jumps forward in
time quite a bit, so theyhave like a more of a society,
so it's a little more throwback tolike the sixties seventies movies. I'm just
very excited to see what that lookslike. I can't wait for the first

(01:20:21):
trailer for that. Now, didyou enjoy the Old Planet the Charlton Heston
Planet of the Apes. Oh yeah, I love I even love the Tim
Burton remake. I love Planet ofthe Apes, love the I really like
the Tim Burton remake because it justreminds me of Flash Gordon, which is

(01:20:41):
not how you're supposed to remake aPlanet of the Apes movie, but as
its own thing. I'm like,oh yeah, if you watch it like
Marky Marcus Flash Gordon, this actuallykind of works if you kind of remove
yourself from like the Planet of theApes franchise. I think it's actually kind
of a fun movie. And themakeup is just like incredible. Have you
ever watched the like a YouTube serieshanging with Doctor z Yes, absolutely so

(01:21:08):
fun, so fun. Dana Gould, who I'm a big fan of and
he's a massive Planet of the Apesfan, is a very loving version of
doctor Zais and that whole world.Definitely looking forward to seeing what Twisters is,
the legacy sequel to Twister, whichapparently has been shot. I don't

(01:21:30):
know. I'm very curious about whatthat's gonna be. And that Argyle movie
looks pretty good. Yeah, ourGyle, it's in. This is Matthew
Vaughan and Matthew Vaught's even the moviesthat he does that I don't like,
at least they're interesting. Because Ididn't like the second I didn't like the
second Kingsman movie. I liked kickAss, I liked the comic a lot

(01:21:57):
more a lot, I mean,you know, I like the movie a
lot more than the comic, andI liked the First Kingsman quite a bit.
And even when I don't like themovie, you know, he's to
me, his failures are at leastinteresting, and Argyle looks like it just
looks like a lot and in allthe best ways, like there's plots upon

(01:22:18):
plots. Absolutely, yeah, Idon't know. Let's see, there's a
couple of interesting animated features being releasedthat are that are sort of they feel,
I don't know, inspired by Spiderversus Success, which is like Transformers

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one, the fully animated Transformers filmthat's coming out next year, and The
Lord of the Rings the War ofthe Rohrom, which is like, I
guess it is supposed to be likekind of like a Lord of the Rings
anime feature. But both of thoseare being released in theaters, and I'm
all for, like, you know, more than just kids movies being released

(01:23:02):
in the I mean, you know, it's still like a Transformers movie,
but you know what I mean,it's like it's like an action thing.
Chris hemsth optimist prime on that right. I don't remember who the cast is,
to be perfectly honest, but it'sinteresting. It's cool that they're doing
something like that. I think Ithink they're also, if I'm not mistaken,

(01:23:23):
I think Sony is developing a Ghostbustersanimated movie as well, which feels
like there's there's a world where thatcomes out and everyone is like, Oh,
this is what you should have beendoing the whole time. You know.
I don't know, so I'm curiousabout what that one too. I
don't know how far into the developmentthat is. But yeah, interesting Ghostbusters.

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It's really interesting for me. Ito me, it was a movie
that was never really meant to bemore than just a movie, like just
one movie. And they you know, they had the sequel, which was
fine, it has its moments,but they they also had to reset everything
they did in the first one inorder to make it because they didn't know

(01:24:09):
any other way to make that movie. And then they did the Melissa McCarthy
version movie, which was fine.Every every sequel to Ghostbusters is fine.
That's that's the best thing you cansay about it. I would say,
it's, uh, it's unfortunate,but what are you gonna do? Scott,

(01:24:32):
as always, this is amazing.I so much appreciate you coming on,
and I was glad we had thischance to talk. I need you
to plug your pluggable. Oh yeah, you can, you can. You
can hear me on franchise Agraphy,the podcast that they do with my writing

(01:24:53):
partner Nick Kamenaz, and we talkabout movie franchises. We sort of like
them down movie by movie. Wego through the development process of each one,
why they are the way they are, whether they're good or bad,
why certain decisions were made, andand we we talk about that, and

(01:25:14):
then we talk about the movies themselves. And it's like a movie a week,
and they're like little mini series offranchises. We've covered this past year.
We covered Spider Man, we didthe Mummy franchise, we did Star
Trek, we've done in the past. We've done Scream, We've done Spy

(01:25:34):
Kids, We've done uh, theX Men franchise. So like we've we've
really run the we've sort of likedone a lot and and you can go
check those out wherever you get yourpodcasts. We are depending on when this
airs. We're probably in the midstof our final mini series of season two

(01:25:56):
before taking a little bit of ahiatus before diving into season three, so
you all got plenty of time tocatch up. I was lucky enough you
were kind of to have me onfor the to talk about Rocky three,
right, Yeah, when we coveredRocky last year. Yeah, and I
felt like, because I watched thatmovie so many times on cable when I

(01:26:18):
was a kid, I felt likemy whole life was building up to talk
about that movie, and I hadso much fun talking with you. Now,
Scream there was pretty recently there wasa screen film, Yeah, Scream
six without Nev Campbell. Eventually they'regoing to figure out a way to get
her back into one of these movies, right, Yeah, No, I

(01:26:38):
think that I personally, I feelthat the reason that she wasn't in that
movie was because it was going tobe like kind of a glorified cameo,
but she didn't really have When youwatch the movie, you're like, where
would where would Sydney have been inthis movie? Like what would have been
her point in being in this movie, and they probably were just doing it

(01:27:00):
because they feel obligated, so theygave her like a cameo rate, and
she was like no. She's like, I'm not gonna bother like Dragon Sydney
Prescott out of the closet without youknow, getting like a substantial payday.
And by the end they're like,well, we're not going to pay you
a substantial amount for a cameo,so like, how about you just set
this one out. That's what Ithink is probably what happened. And I

(01:27:24):
think that she's going to be inthe next one because she's being very cagy
in interviews about coming back. Shewas just talking about how she can't talk
about it, which is usually apretty telltale sign that she'll be back for
the seventh installment, which is rumoredto take place at Christmas, which I'm

(01:27:45):
very excited about that because I'm veryexcited about the idea of a screen movie
opening around Christmas time again because that'swhen they used to be released originally,
the original trilogy, they were allreleased in desmer of their respective years,
So I'm looking forward to getting backto that. I think that'll be a
lot of fun. That's awesome againScott. We appreciate so much. And

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I uh, you know, Iremember many many years ago you came on
for the first time to talk aboutI don't like the movie, the movie
Back to the Future two, andyou did a movie by Minutes about it,
and we had a great discussion backthen. We had so much fun
having you on so many times.You know, we'll definitely keep in touch.

(01:28:33):
You know, who knows maybe,uh, I know Back to the
Future is now on Broadway. Yeah, it is, because sooner or later
every movie becomes a play on Broadway. Is that supposed to be good?
I yeah, people say that itis good, that it's legitimately like very
fun as far as like those ipdriven Broadway musicals go. Well, you

(01:28:56):
know, maybe maybe one day I'llsee it and we'll talk about it.
Yeah maybe. Yeah. Thanks youso much, Brad for for having me
on all the time. You know, I've I've really felt honored to be
invited back every year for the forthe Summer Movie Conversation and even a few
times for Winter Movie Conversation. Yeah, no, it was. It was

(01:29:18):
always a fun time and I lookforward to it every year and I'll be
sad to not have it anymore.But thank you for having me on all
this time, and thanks to yourlisteners and for I don't know, putting
up with me and uh, it'sit's it's it's been fun. So thank

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you that RAPS episode two ninety two. Big thanks to Scott Correlli. He

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