354 - More Ani Vaxer Craziness, Home Remedies for A Cold and Cheesehead Babies with Dr. Jay

Justin and Dr Jay talk about Anti Vaxer Craziness including a boy who was hospitalized for 47 days, Home Remedies For The Common Cold, People Throwing Cheese at Their Babies.

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Episode Transcript

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Listen to me, listen to you, John Chase that Hello, and welcome

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to the Dad Podcast. I'm yourhost Justin Warshaw. With us is our
very own resident pediatriction, the oneand only doctor Jay Sute. How are
you on this fine day, DoctorJay? I'm doing great, Justin.
How are things out on the WestCoast? Everything is good. Currently as
I record this episode, I havetwo sick children that are inside. One

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of them has a very very lowgrade fever in the ninety nine, which
I don't think you would call afever, And they're just both complaining of
sore throats and a lot of coffinand stuff, And I don't know,
I don't know if you would agree, But I'm of the mindset like if
they feel like garbage, I don'tknow how effective they're going to be in
the school day. So I justalways kind of air on the side of
like, let's let's keep everybody homeand then let everybody get rested and get

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a chance to get better and thenwell, from my point of view as
a pediatrician, I would suggest sendingthem to school just so the rest of
the kids in their class gets sick, and that drums up business. That's
a good point by you. I'msorry. I'm just I'm just played Devil's
advocate. That's a good point,and I apologize to doctor Bloom r Pediatrician.
I can't tell you how many timesit's happened in the last couple of

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weeks where kids wake up in themorning have a fever of one hundred and
two and a sore throat, andthe parents give a Adville and a half
an hour later they feel better andthey send them to school, only to
get that call at noon that thefever is one hundred and two again,
and then they have to pick themup, come in, I do the
strep test. They have strap andthey've exposed everybody else at the school and

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hopefully God Willie use the water fountainsso they could infect kids in other classrooms.
Doctor Jay needs a VACA, right, Yeah, I do. I
don't see one coming, though,not anytime soon. The man's keeping me
down is but are we out oftechnically flu season? Is it over?
Now that we're getting into spring?You might be getting into spring out there.

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I'm still looking at piles of snowin my front yard. Show we're
starting to warm up a little bit, but Opening Day at Yankee Stadium is
two weeks from tomorrow. They're openingon March twenty eighth, and it's gonna
be fifty three degrees. And lastyear opening day was April first, and
it had the Yankee Stadium had fiveinches of snow on it and it got

(02:49):
canceled. So I really got tothink about it as I'm getting older as
much as I like to be atopening day, fifty three fucking degrees,
that's chilly. Yeah, just getblanket and watch it at home. Right,
Well, that's what I'm thinking.I can pretend, well, yeah,
I just have somebody bring you ahot dog or something, or do
you are you do you when yougo to the games? Do you do
the hot dog? Do you dothe beer? The whole? Always?

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Yeah, always, always buy asausage and peppers. A couple of years
ago, what happened? Take aship at Yankee Stadium in a public stall.
Not something I wanted to do,trust me. So when when Doctor
Jay arrives at the Yankee game,does he sit down and order a beer
or is there like is there asequence? Do you have a routine or

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is it just whatever? Like youget to the seat first, Okay,
see where it is sometimes because Idon't know because my buddy gets me tickets
where I'm gonna be sitting. SoI like to get the lay of the
land. And sometimes you know,I'm up in the suite with the Yes
Network people and the food is providedthere, including a Yankee hot dog rolling

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machine thing where the hot dogs arealways kept hot and fresh. Wow,
big get a big n y onthe front. I got pictures. I'll
show you, I think. UhI just so you know, I think
your mic is rubbing up against something. I don't know what it is,
but whatever you're talking about. Ohyeah, maybe it's my collar. There's
better, Yeah, much better.So uh so, okay, so you
find you you depending on what theSo let's say you're sitting in a seat

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and food is not provided, isthere, like do you sit down and
like right out of the first pitch, I got it, I'm getting right.
So that's that's order number one?Or does that take care of you
from those sixty five dollars? Right? And does that? But does that
cover you for the full game ordo you have like a fifth inning order
as well? There's gonna be asmall Yankee helmet filled with ice cream at

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some point during the time there,and probably a couple more beers, yeah,
because you know you like to youdon't like to end on an odd
number like one. Yeah, right, but who who would do that?
And then that definitely one more beerand probably a couple of waters if it's
a hot one, you know,yeah, and then so that but that
would cover your eating eggs varience fora nine inning game, right, there's

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probably a pretzel in there somewhere pretzelin there too. And what if you
go into extra innings? Do youhave a go to move for that or
do you just ride it out?Yeah? I usually write it out because
then I'd have to take a shipbetween the stadium and home. So you
don't want to overdo it, youknow. And now at daylight savings time,
Christ, I'm gonna be shitting bloodby tomorrow. Pstup biological clock here.

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Oh I've been. I've never haveI been so frustrated by my lack
of preparation and listening to your frienddoctor Knapario like this, this uh fall
spring forward kicked my ass. I'veI feel like a colossal pussy at how
hard it hit me, Like thewhole, the whole family, like,
I have a working theory that thewhole reason my kids are sick has more

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to do with the daylight saving timeand them just being walked out sleep wise
than anything. And I failed amiserable there's something to that, you know.
I gotta go. I gotta gointo It's like like two week plan
to lead up to it. Igotta I gotta do it. I gotta
try, I gotta make it happen. And yeah, I gotta do it.
Did you get his email on doingjust that he put if you're in

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his little email group, he sendsup the newsletter and he sent it out
two weeks before daylight savings time.I think it's still in my in basket.
Yeah, I'm, I'm. Here'sthe thing. I'm we were talking
a little bit before. I'm I'min a bubble right now. And he
because I'm where I'm doing this realestate, I got multiple deals going,

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things are going great. It's gonnasound like I'm bragging, but in actuality,
it's just I'm very distracted in allareas of my life, even as
a father to a certain extent,which I'm not proud of, not happy
about. And I've got to getit remedied for, and yet we have
time for the podcast. Yeah,that's I mean, I try like it
well, if he trust me.Very rarely do I get many episodes in
besides the one I do with you. And it's mostly because it's booked and

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I would feel bad if I don'tdo it, you know what I mean,
because you've also set aside time.But and I like to send you
articles frequently throughout the month as ideasfor topics, and yes, we've got
great ones today. But this flip, I'm flipping a house and it's you

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know, it's like right before wewere supposed to record, I was a
little bit late because it looks likeI might have to fire an electrician.
So unless it is real estate orientedor connected to that flip. And then
also I'm on the I'm still theBooster Club president for one more year and
then I will take a kind ofa backseat role but help with the new
Booster Club president. And then I'vegotten on the couple boards where I'm on

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boards with the Real Estate Association,for the Community Service Foundation, for the
Legislative Committee, and then I'm alsoon board for fundraising. So here in
Burbank we have a deficit for ourschool district of about two and a half
million dollars. Oh geez. Yeah, So we're there's a nonprofit organization that's
working to try to raise money fromlocal businesses and people, and then we're

(07:56):
trying to get a parcel tax forpeople Burbank to offset that. But it's
a whole thing, and so anythingoutside of those realms, chances are if
it's happening, I don't know aboutit. So yeah, but anyway,
that's so that's if I seem tosay the real estate a business is booming
in Burbank, it depends on howyou would say booming. Like I think
if you were to go back tosay two thousand and ten or two thousand

(08:20):
and eleven, probably a better timebecause houses were very affordable. You had
a lot of people swooping up stuffif they had money. But what's interesting
now, and this is kind ofhow it always goes, is that when
there are no houses to buy,which is kind of now where everybody's got
an inventory issue for the most partin the whole nation, that you money

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is easy to come buy, right. Lenders have lots of money to lend
because there's not many houses to landon and then when there's a ton of
houses like it was in two thousandand ten, it was hard to get
approved and hard to get the money. So I'm happy with it. I
really enjoyed a lot more than Iever thought. And there's a lot that
has to play out to see howthis is gonna work for me and my
plan. I mean, I'm comingup on my first year of doing it

(09:03):
full time as an agent. I'vealways been kind of like an investor,
but not fully invested, and nowbeing an agent, I've got a plant
where hopefully I could flip two orthree houses a year if I do it
right, and I could do itsmart. But we'll see. So I
like it though, I like ita lot more than I thought. It
really has given me an outlet forthe appreciation I have of helping people.

(09:24):
I really like that part of it, and it's not something I was I
would consider to be a big partof it. But yeah, so it's
good. I'm glad you like it. That's good. I mean, you
know, they've taken all the funout of my job and have raped an
otherwise good career in medicine. Butyeah, I'm making now from my height
salary between two thousand and two thousandand four this year, making about one

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hundred and fifty thousand dollars less thanwhat I was doing back then, a
good thirty five to forty percent decrease. So it's doing more work, working
harder, staying later, seeing morepatients. And I don't know many careers
where as you get older and betterat doing it, you may make less

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money. I don't understand it.But as long as those insurance executives are
getting their million dollar bonuses and stuff, I get. I guess the world
is as it should be, rightexactly. That's all that matters. When
hey, you're not caught up inthis whole thing with the getting the kids
into college thing, aren't you?You? Weren't you weren't working that angle
out in California, were you?What do you mean? Did you see

(10:30):
the fifty people that go, ohyeah, stung by the FBI for you
know, paying off to fraudulently gettheir kids into better colleges. I'm nowhere
near famous enough to be listed inthat lawsuit, so I would, but
I was not, And I don'tknow, Like, here's here's my thing.
I know that these people seem tobe like an entertainment. But maybe
I'm a colossal asshole. And there'ssome part of this I don't understand.

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But I like, if if yougot to get your kid into college,
and you got the means to doit, then who cares? Like I
don't know, but it has tobe a certain college. It's got to
be a good college. It's gotto be the one that spoiled Bratt wants
to go to. I well,and that part I'm against, right,
the part of where I never earnedit. But here's the thing. If

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I'll be, I'll be for damnsure that if when I get down the
horn and I and maybe I wouldbe biased against my kid. I don't
know. I like to think I'mpretty fair about my kids, but I
don't think I'm raising spoiled children.And if I could kick down one hundred
grands to improve a science building andget my kid into USC, I want
to have that opportunity, right like, I want to have that opportunity,

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not only for the fact of havingone hundred grand of expendable income that I
could throw at a school that I'llnever see back other than my kids education
that I still will most likely haveto pay for right, you know what
I mean, Like, but they'regoing to hit you up every year,
exactly right. I want to havethat side of the problem. But I
also want to be able to belike, yeah, this is this is
what I work for, right,I work for I work hard so I

(11:58):
can have a little bit of abetter life. And I I don't know,
it's easy to say when you're anactor or an actress that maybe life
isn't so hard. But and thisis I'm just speaking from the cuff here,
I'm shooting from the hip that Ithink that given with the whole me
Too movement and everything, like,I just feel like, you know what,
maybe these women have kind of putup with a lot of bullshit to

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get where they are, is whatI'm That's what I'm picking up out of
all this, which, by theway, leads me to another story that
I hope I'm not going to pupoomy wife. But my wife is so
not a feminist. But anytime,like when the Supergirl campaign came out,
she was like, oh God,like all this girl power stuff, And
here's the thing, maybe it makesher more of a feminist. And I
would argue that, but she doesn'tlike it. When you make a big

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deal about women being in the workplace, or like the bigger deal about it,
in her opinion, means that itkind of undermines the whole idea.
Right. I would certainly agree withthat side. I do it if it's
equal that it shouldn't be a bigdeal, right. And and so they
just we just had International Women's Dayand she was asked to help out and

(13:01):
do women's luncheon for the Association ofRealtors. And so she got a call
from our president of the our association, our local association, who's also a
woman and great by the way,she's awesome, very funny, and good
at her job. So she callsit it's I heard my wife getting ready,
and she picks up the phone andshe goes, oh hey, and
then I hear her say this,and it was it made me laugh so
hard I blurred out. She goes, oh, happy National Woman's Day to

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you too. Did she get acard? Is at a Hallmark holiday?
I guess she like like she threwup in her mouth a little bit to
have to say it out loud,and it may I just go I probably
the other It made me laugh again. Not laughing at National Woman's Day,

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just laughing at the pure idea andconcept of my wife struggling to swallow the
idea of there being a national woman'sDay. And then she went and talked
about it, and she certainly hadto respond Yeah she did, Yeah,
you're right. And then she wentthere and she was so frustrated because she's
like, there's fates of the MerryChristmas Jessica. True she's not even religious,

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but she has no problem with that. But uh, she goes,
she goes to luncheon and she wastalking about how they had two speakers and
they were talking about respecting each otherand uh and how how you need to
empower other women. And she goesand I'm looking around and no joke,
three to four women at each ofthe fifteen tables that they had in this
room for this luncheon were all ontheir phones while another woman was talking.

(14:33):
She was so pissed, like,she goes, what the what the hell
is going on? Oh? Yeah, it's good times. Yeah, I'm
telling you, it's uh crazy times. We live in very crazy times in
fact. But in the answer toyour initial question, yeah, I think
we got another two to three weeksof flu season. Okay, Oh that's
good. Yeah, thanks to We'revery good at this, guys, You're

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lucky to have us. Uh,speaking of all the other stuff, we
we've been on a kick because I'mguess tis the season, right, But
you found a great article on theNew York Times that's the real horror of
anti vaxxers, and it just kindof breaks down. I mean, obviously,
your stance, we talked about itmultiple times on the show, is
very pro vaccination, and I don'tknow I've heard. I have yet to

(15:16):
get an email from any of ourlisteners. So I would imagine that the
people who find this show are likeminded enough that they would probably agree.
But this guy kind of breaks downa bunch of stuff about what is the
real problem. Is that a fairway to look at this? Yep?
I agree. He said that ona Tuesday, a group of Danish researchers

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who looked at more than six hundredand fifty thousand children over ten years,
announced that they had found no suchassociation. And what he's talking about is
the association between vaccinations and specifically vaccine. Yes, So he said that,
you know, that's the whole likewhich we kind of call the Jenny McCarthy
theory, which may also still atthis point being an unfair representation. We

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should probably move on to t momlady or whatever it may be. But
I just I wish that Here's thething, I always try to see things
from both sides as much as Ipossibly can, and I just can't wrap
my mind. I could wrap mymind around the idea of being concerned and
wanting to protect your child, right, But I just I wish that it
was easier for me to find informationout there that would show me that vaccinating

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a kid was bad for the child. Well, there isn't There's just opinion
based blogs. And actually most ofthe social media platforms Facebook and Twitter and
pinterest there now not giving as muchaccess to scientifically proven wrong opinions. So

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these anti vaccine groups that are notdealing in science and truth are going to
be somewhat stifled there. It's gonnagonna help, hopefully help the situation a
little bit, because you know,I mean, we're talking about March fourth,
just last week, six hundred andfifty thousand kids. They followed them
over ten years, and they couldnot find any association with the MMR and

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autism. Overall. It's small subgroupsbatches of MMR. They couldn't find anything,
And now we know that that's science, and we've got a measles epidemic
going on here in the United States. We had no measles in two thousand
and now we've got measles because ofvaccine hesitancy, which is you know,

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well, as if this guy saidit's among the ten global health threats of
two thousands. The World Health Organizationlists lists vaccine hesitancy as among the top
of the global health threats in twentynineteen. And then to going into what
I was going to say after yousaid, what you say is you know,
we as if the White House administrationdoesn't have enough problems, The wife

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of the communications director for the WhiteHouse went to Twitter and said that,
uh. She said that not beingvaccinated and coming down with measles or mumps
was a big picture plus a hardnessbuilder that could help a person fight cancer
down the line. So what she'strying to say, I'm guessing is that
by by basically allowing mumps and measlesto weed out the weak ones, right,

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it's a form of Darwinism that downthe line will have less cancer.
Yeah, and none of that istrue. Well, yeah, even if
it was, A could argue,even if you could argue that if if
you let everybody who was sick die, that only the strong would survive,
right, like I could. Icould wrap my mind around that argument,
but it doesn't really explay out ofright. That's yes, that's not the

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twenty first century. You fuck knuckle, what what are you doing? Yes,
it's it's of course we could letall these viruses run rampant and go
back to the early nineteen hundreds wherepeople had to have ten kids just a
net five. But you know,true, it's it's crazy and yeah and
this you got this nit wit sayingthings like that. Uh, you know,

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I think the bottom line is ifwe're a society, there are certain
societal rules that should be absolute,and the science proves you know that.
Uh you know this is real.It's not made up. It's not fake
news. But all of these otherplaces, you know, I mean,
yeah, you could have a blogabout not wanting to vaccinate for X,

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Y and Z, but none ofit is science. And as she goes
on to like the tweet that sheput out was I had the measles,
mumps, chicken pox, as achild, and so did every kid.
I knew they will never have thelifelong natural immunity I have. She's thought
about kids today because they're vaccinated.Come breathe on me. But my am
I wrong that the measles and mumpsis Can it mutate? No? But

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it's a virus that spreads very easily. I mean, the measles is one
of the most contagious viruses that wecome across. And you know, it
lives on surfaces for a couple ofhours. I mean it's in it.
You know, people who don't havethe continued protection from her immunity. Old
people who may have lost the uhyou know, or had bone marrow transplants

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or immuno suppressive therapy for cancers orother things. You know, they may
not be able to protect themselves againstthe measles anymore. And that's why we
count on other people vaccinating their children. If you want to be part of
society and walk amongst the general population, the gen pop, there are certain
rules that have to be uh followed. And it's interesting that what I think

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she's whether it's intentional or not,what she's indirectly saying it is like,
sure, we're gonna lose twenty twokids or maybe twenty two hundred kids to
mumps or measles, because these theseare diseases. Unless I'm misremembering what I've
learned from you, these are diseasesthat diseases that well, maybe not likely
for the majority, but there area few, a few people that could

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be killed from this disease. Ohyeah, I mean in this other article
it you know, we have theoutbreak at Disneyland in twenty fourteen, and
that outbreak spread to twenty four otherstates. Now it's the same thing going
on because these kids weren't vaccinated,and you know, some are going to
get hospitalized. And it may onlybe a couple hundred now, but when

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it becomes thousands, kids are goingto start dying of the measles again.
And we thought that was old news. We thought we'd taken care of that.
Wow. So point is at leastdoctor Jay he proves this message.
Get your kid vaccinated, and ifyou if you have doubts, if you
have questions, consult multiple pediatricians tosee not the end. One other thing

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that I thought was interesting in termsof what the social media groups are doing,
like YouTube won't allow anti vaccine groupsto make money off their videos with
ads, and Facebook's going to factcheck health articles and you know, see
which ones are are scientifically backed up, and they're comparing. You know,

(22:07):
people say, well, you're takingaway our freedom of speech and stuff.
But freedom of speech doesn't apply toeverything. Uh. This this author compared
uh the uh anti vax stuff onsocial media. Uh to falsely shout and
fire in a crowded movie theater,causing a panic. Yeah, you know,
and free speech doesn't protect that,so uh and uh, it's it's

(22:29):
interesting. It's interesting. I think, you know, we v being in
a science related uh career, I'vealways based my decisions on studies and data
and knowing how to read a studyand determine the statistics. And you know,
not everybody is discerning as that,you know. Yeah, well,
you also sent me another article that'sin the same vein about a boy spending

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forty seven days in agony and anICEU with tetanus while the parents refuse to
have him vaccinated for the tet rightso he can up. So let me
let me make sure I understand thiscorrectly. He was playing on a farm
and injured his head and contracted tetanus, which is a bacterial infection, right,
that causes lock jaw where it likehe just he can't move, he
can't open his mouth, right,Is that a fair right? Yeah,

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it just hurts a lot jaw clenchingand spasms of the jaw and neck muscles.
And so what they could do isessentially give him a vaccination, which
is it sounds like is a formof an antibiotic. Right. Well,
if he had gotten his vaccinations asa baby, as a small child,

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he would have been protected. Butbecause the mother was against vaccines, and
he came in contact with the chlusterIdium tetani in the soil because the that's
where it lives, he was ableto contract it. So so they treated
him with antibiotics too, because it'sbacteria, and they gave him a shot
of the tetanus vaccine. But youknow, the tetanus vaccine the horses already

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out of the barn. Had hegotten two months, four months, six
months, fifteen months and four hewould not have gotten the tetanus in the
first place. So all I see, so it's not even that he was
because I was wondering if by thetime he gets into the hospital shouldn't they
be able just to administer it withouther approval just because of like being able

(24:21):
to care for him. Oh,I don't think that they know everything.
You got to get consent for everything, because this kid shows up. It
says here in the article that hewas crying fits, jaw clenching, muscle
spasms, neck and back aching.The same day, he started having trouble
breathing, at which points his parentscontacted emergency Medical Services, who quickly airlifted
him to a pediatric medical center.He arrived at the hospital was suffering jaw

(24:45):
muscle spasms. He any kitty.He wanted some water, but couldn't open
his mouth enough to drink it.Some of his muscles necessary for breathing also
started spasming, throwing the boy intorespiratory distress. So what that means is
like if the dire fram say thatyou used to breathe, if it starts
spasming, you can't take a fullbreath, or if you're taking a full
breath, it's immediately pushed out becauseit's spasms. Right, So now you're

(25:08):
losing oxygen. He had to hehad to get it in. He had
to be sedated, intubated. Nowit's intubated, mean that that's for breathing
or food. They put a breathingtube down his throat into his trachea,
and then they sedate um and youknow, give them all kinds of intravenous
s paralytic drugs so that he won'ttry to struggle against the ventilator, and

(25:32):
the ventilator breaths for him. Yeah, they treated him with antibiotics, gave
him a shot of tetanus vaccine.Still, his condition worsened. His heart
raced, his blood pressure went up, his body temperature spiked to nearly one
hundred and five degrees. Fahrenheim doctorsgave him multiple intravenous drugs controlled his blood
pressure, pain, and muscle spasms. They also performed a tray tracheotomy.

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That's where they put the breathing tubebreak through the neck into the trachea.
And so he was he was intubated, breathing through a tube for thirty five
days. Yeah, in agony.Wow wow. Yeah. And you know
why, you know why people,when you know the tetanus vaccine was new,

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everybody showed up at the doctor andgot it because they saw this happening
to friends and relatives and kids,and we don't have enough of that.
This is a reminder of how badand horrible these things are. And that's
why doctors, scientists, researchers gottogether and said, what can we do
to make this not happen anymore?Because it's horrible, and now we have

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a thing that does it, thatis relatively side effect free, doesn't have
mercury in it, and your kidcan suffer for almost two months in the
hospital where he can get a shotat two, four, six, fifteen
months, and then at four yearsbefore he goes into school, and none
of this would happen. On dayforty four of his hospital stay, he

(27:02):
came off the ventilator and tolerated drinkingclear liquids. On day forty seven,
he was moved out of the ICUinto an intermediate care unit at the hospital.
Three days after that, so dayfifty he was able to walk twenty
feet, but he needed assistance.Dad's muscles atrophied. Jesus. On day
fifty seven, he was released fromthe hospital and transfer to a rehabilitation center.

(27:23):
He spent another seventeen days there,and it took another month after his
rehab before he was back to hisold activities including running and riding a bike.
Good God. The doctors noted thathis hospital bill totalled eight hundred and
eleven thousand, nine hundred and twentynine dollars, which is about seventy two
times the average hospital bill for children, and that bill does not include air

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transport and rehab costs. Yeah millionbucks. They also noted that the boy
was the first case of pediatric tetnisand organ in more than thirty years.
This lack of teennis cases is attributedto widespread tetnas vaccination nationwide. Between two
thousand nine twenty fifteen, there wereonly one hundred and ninety seven cases of
tetanus which resulted in sixteen deaths.And that's not even just pediatric, right,

(28:11):
wow right wow yep. So thelesson there is trust the doctors.
If you need information about vaccines,go to the CDC dot gov bas slash
NIP National Immunization Program and you canlook at the studies that we look at
in order to determine what's safe forour patients. I mean, I would

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say most doctors show up at workevery day to help people not hurt them.
And the information is out there,and you know, you can trust
your medically educated doctor, or youcan trust the team mom and decide for
yourself. But with this Measle's epidemicgoing, I think a lot of these
pick people's kids are going to bearen't going to be spared. So we'll

(28:57):
see how that goes. I havea great joke I tried the other night
about the anti vaxers. I askedthe crowd, I said, all right,
where are my anti vaxers at?And of course nobody clapped or responded.
I said, yeah, probably don'twant to admit that in public,
and then I followed it up witheither that or the anti vaxers don't get
out much because your kids are sickall the time. True, it's so

(29:22):
true. And you know, Idon't think our intent here is to scare
anybody, but I do think,like, because that's that's I'm scared if
your kids aren't vaccinated as it's goingaround, Well, that's but I and
I get that you have a differentperspective that is, you know, educated,
it's it's in your face. I'mjust saying, like, I just
how I don't know how you couldargue or push excuse me, pushback against

(29:47):
that. After hearing a story aboutwhat happened to that little boy. That
him getting three or four shots whenhe's younger means he doesn't have to worry
about that, right, Like it'snot it's not as big a deal.
And I really five by six,five by the age of six, and
a booster at eleven and then everyten years after that and that goes.
You know, it's a good pointjust to mention for the adults that who

(30:10):
are the listeners, that if it'sbeen more than ten years since they've gotten
a a DT A TETNA shot um, they ought to have that booster done
because if you step on a nailor hit your head in dirt on a
farm, Uh, you know you'reyou're you're at risk for it. So
you've got to make sure that yourTETNA shots are current and should be readministered

(30:30):
every ten years plus. With thethe diphtheria a cellular pertussis at TETNAH shot
um, they give that now toall of the moms after they deliver the
baby. Now they even if theyhave a baby two years later, they
get another um booster of dptum withpregnancy because that helps to protect the baby.

(30:53):
Yeah, and I think, uh, it's it's fascinating for me.
It's very interesting anyway to kind ofshift gears. And this is interesting almost
all whiplash kind of turn is thatthere's another article that comes from fatherly dot
com and it's how to treat ababy's cough the right way is what it's
saying. And I'm I'm curious becauseI know we've also talked this, But

(31:15):
this is a book called The CoughCures, The Complete Guide to the best
Natural Remedies and over the counter Drugsfor acute and chronic cough. So you
can't believe they made a fucking book. It's not a pamphlet. Well maybe
they go into a lot of theexplanation, but I'm I'm fascinated by that
would cover three pages. Maybe mydad recently exactly my dad recently. I

(31:38):
don't even know how he stumbled uponthis. But doing the sinus flush like
the Nettie teapot thing or whatever yedo that, don't do that with regular
tapwater, by dolly, you heardabout the guy who had an ambub grown
in his brain, right, Oh, can't use tap water. You got
to use distilled water for that kindof thing, because if you're pouring tap
water in there, which isn't pureof all, kid damnin ITTs. You

(32:00):
can get a bacterial abscess kind ofthing going on there. And this guy
thought he was his nose was congested. He was blowing his nose. He
was actually blowing the cerebral spinal fluidout of his nose. Oh my god,
I'll find you that article. We'lltalk about it next time. Oh
my god, Well I want totalk about it now because I would use
a tap water. Don't you usetap I'll send you the article as soon

(32:22):
as oh, you don't need tosend you the article I got. The
most annoying part is I have ajug of distilled water in my pantry that
I use for my humidifier for mycigars. But I would use it tap
water, then microwaving it for agood minute twenty seconds to warm it up,
and then but as nuking get gonnabe enough, or I gotta almost
boil it to get rid of everything. I don't know, it says distilled.

(32:45):
Yeah, all right, I'll dodistilled. So I yeah, I'll
send that to you. You know, see, you're getting too busy with
the real estate and all the things. Helping other people, which is very
very nice and very noble, andthen you're gonna have some kind of amba
growing in your head because of it, because you're not paid attention to the
news. Oh man, this isa great episode for feeling calm and reassured

(33:05):
about life in general. And Ishared my issue with you privately. I
know, yeah, I know,no picnic out here exactly, Yeah,
exactly, it's uh and trust me. Yeah, have I neddie potted with
tapwater myself? Yeah, but Ihaven't done it since I saw that article
a couple of months ago. Uh, this is great. I love this

(33:27):
quote because we've talked about this before. I said, research have it and
supported by every single respiratory society inAmerica, which seems like an overstatement,
but and Europe has found that ninetypercent of over the counter medicines do not
do not much. I guess don'tdo much. I think they missed a
word there too. I had troublereading through that sentence that quote don't do
much the same as Gustavo. Hemight have been speaking the broken English.

(33:49):
Yeah, So basically what he's sayingis ninety percent of over the counter medicines
don't do much or they do nothingfor a cough. Would you agree or
disagree or are you abstaining for thatbecause you don't know. I would say
specifically, cough medicines don't do muchbut decongestins and ahistamines, nasal sprays for

(34:10):
nasal allergies. If they cut downon the postnasal drip and the irritation,
it can cut down on the cough. But that's not specifically a cough medicine,
right, So like sudafed will helpa cough because it slows down the
postnasal drip, but it doesn't havea mechanism that makes your body not want
to cough. And if your bodyis coughing, it's coughing for a reason.

(34:32):
It's actually mobilizing stuff. So youknow, cough isn't necessarily a bad
thing. It's an annoying thing,but it does help to keep things moving
around so you don't develop bronchitis orpneumonia or other complications. Yeah, it
says the medicines that do work doso because of codeine, which is an
opioid, and it's not the bestfor kids. Yeah, they won't even

(34:52):
let us prescribe CODINGE containing cough medicines. Anymore in Connecticut, whereas you know,
we used to prescribe you know,a fair amount of robotussin with coding
for kids to just take a doseat bedtime because it would help them sleep
and it calmed the cough. Andyou know, I contend that you know
a lot of kids when they're inthe midst of a bad cough and cold

(35:13):
type virus, you know they needa good night a sleep to turn things
around a little bit. So youknow, a sleep is important at letting
the body heal. And if youcan suppress your cough for eight hours and
give them a good full night ofsleep, they're they're going to start to
turn around a lot quicker. Yeah. Yeah, And it says that there's
strong evidence for saline like the saltywater nasal spray. And so what I've

(35:36):
done is I bought those packets.Now you can get them on Amazon,
and you could put two packets forevery one of the little sinus flush things
that you put in there if you'reup for it, and you just have
a but like a little box ofthose packets, like you're whenever you get
one of those nasal rinsers I've seenor sinus rinsers, whatever you want to
call it. They come with afew packets in it, but you could

(35:57):
buy the packets by itself, andthen I just use one. I had
the nettipot, but what I likebetter I don't know the brand of it,
but it's this one that to me, it looks like a still like
you hold it upside down and it'sgot like a um like almost like a
if you're making the letter J.How it hooks back up And on the
base of that J where it hooksback up is a spot you stick in
your nose and then it's got arelease button to basically release the way like

(36:20):
a like a beer bong. I'mreally good at it, and so you
you hit that button and it justit flushes everything out. My dad bought
a battery powered one that that blushesthe water in there. And then I've
seen online ones that they hook upto both nostrils and so one pushes to
the other one. S Yeah,you just like lean your face into it

(36:40):
and it sucks and pushes at thesame time to kind of flush it out.
Is there any concern with I mean, as sure, too much pressure
is going to be crazy, butis it do we kind of our sinus
is stronger than maybe we think.I don't think so. I mean,
I mean, I I am one. I get my h my um,
what do you call arm and hammer? Saline spray? I spray it up

(37:02):
there and then I just try blowblow my nose as hard as I can
to get everything out. A coupleof times I've used those uh nettie pot
type things, but um, itjust it's it's an awkward to do for
me, and I get dizzy andit's just so I do a nasal gel

(37:23):
spray, uh or saline spray andblow my nose. So the nasal spray,
I've seen them for like infants,and I remember using it for my
kids. But is it the sameas like you the afron right, like
you you put it in one No, nothing with medicine, No, I
know that. But you use itthe same as you would like you kind
of snort it up and well youspray it and then so and what this

(37:45):
guy goes on to say is thatby putting the salt water up your nose
and adjust the pH balance and thatactually can help relieve a lot of the
burning sensation. And uh and I'mguessing it might help with inflammation or dryness
as well. He also recommends puttingin Xylotoluh it's a natural sweetener, but
it also has an anti inflammatory effecttoo. That if you put a little

(38:07):
bit of zylotol in it, thatis a non digestible sugar too, that
can cause diarrhea because we had itin chewing gum for a lot of a
lot of years. And you justgotta be careful not to use too much
zyolotol because then you'll be scratching yourhead wondering why you shit your pants.

(38:28):
So you're saying though, that thatby just hitting with a saline spray up
my nose, that that could bejust as effective, if not more effective,
without the discomfort of me doing mysinus flush. Yeah, oh I
think so. Yeah. I meanthat's what I do. I have a
saline spray bottle in my car andyou know, on my kitchen counter for
when my nose feels dry. Itworks, works great, Or if I

(38:50):
feel I gotta you know, someshrapnel up my nose there, yeah,
you know, looses it up andthen I could blow it out. That's
what I love about that sinus flushthing is that anytime I feel like there's
some them up in my nose thatI like, you just can't blow out.
I flush it out and it doesn'tit's not like you see it come
out one end or anything. Ihaven't. I haven't had that happen.
But oh, I've got things thatcome out on my nose when I blow
them that look like partially cooked bacon, and and you'll see it. They

(39:15):
come out and it's like they it'slike they expand in size. It How
the hell was that my nose?Yes, I have where where could it
possibly have been? But you blowyour nose a little bit afterwards, and
it feels like you get that thingthat feels like stuck in there that is
unattainable, and now it's free andit just opens everything up. Especially it's
I've had it really help out witha lot of allergies. But I'm gonna

(39:37):
get this, uh, I'm gonnaget the sailing spray and see if that
works just as good, because you'reright, it is. It's weird to
think that you could put water inone end of your face and have it
go through your face and come outthe other side, and that that's totally
fine. But it's definitely doable.But it is I'm not gonna say it's
enjoyable, but the it's like tome, I do like in it too.
Medicine in any way, shape orform, Right, nobody really drinks

(40:00):
some medicine goes oh it tastes amazing, right, and then but it's you
deal with that mild time of discomfortfor hours and hours of relief. It's
the content payoff. Yeah. Theother thing he goes into is the humidifier.
And I don't think I ever wasaware of a humidifier being a thing
or the benefits of it until Ihad kids. Is this an underrated tool?

(40:21):
Remember as a kid, vix anda vaporiser. Yeah, you know,
my father would say, you knowit's hot, don't touch that.
So I had a number of squaldburns as a kid. But do you
feel like a lot of parents areaware of the humidifier and use it a
lot or we have we full blownsociety where it's like I just want to
shove a pill into his gullet.No, I always suggect. I would

(40:42):
say the majority of patients that cometo my practice, their parents have a
humidifier, and before you know,they've already tried the humidifier, the vix
on the back and the feet andthe nasal spray before they get to me
most of the time. So that'sthat's a well I mean. And again,
it's it's cold here in the winter. The heat goes on in the
house, people stay indoors and everybodydries out. Egzema gets worse, and

(41:07):
the cloughs get worse because there isn'tenough moisture in the air. Yeah,
that's what happened with my sons andwhy they're homesick, is that they both
wanted their fans on at night,and it was I think we had a
cold spet. I usually don't.I used to suffer from a lot of
bronchitis as a kid, and itwas then my parents got divorced and my
dad could control the thermostat and hestopped running the heater at night when we

(41:27):
were sleeping, and then my bronchitisjust kind of cleared up, like I
stopped having issues. I think it'sbecause the house wasn't as dry and then
it wouldn't irritate my ear airway.But so now I keep the thermostat at
fifty one. It doesn't Before theheater kicks on, I'd much rather,
And then last night my son,his room is kind of small, so
the humidifier turned it almost into asauna a little bit. That's beautiful,

(41:50):
that's goods the croup. Oh okay, all right. Well then I failed
him because I felt like it wastoo warm for him to feel comfortable.
So I cracked the window just likea half an inch just to keep it,
and I felt like the moisture inthe air from the outside would also
come in and keep things. That'swhat you just want to do, is
it grease the humidity, right,so that your body can fight the infection
by keeping things moving in moist sothat it could clear stuff out. Yeah,

(42:13):
right, exactly exactly. We've talkedabout it multiple times. But the
last thing that they make in thisarticle from fatherly dot com is that honey
in a lot of ways is moreeffective for a cough than you're over the
counter cough syrup that does not containcodeine. Especially it sounds like that that's
a great way. Buddy goes intosay. He goes on to say,
do not give honey to a childthat is less than twelve months old because

(42:34):
it is not safe risk of botulism. Oh, that's good. Times.
That doesn't even that sounds horrible.Now, let's end mentioned they mentioned the
parents. You don't want to forthe congestion. Parents can use the that
nose Frieda thing that we talked abouta couple of times. That's the tube
that has a little um kind ofappendage that comes out the side a little

(42:59):
catcher. Parents can shove a tubeup their kids nose and use their own
mouth in suction to suck the boogersout of their kids nose, and those
boogers get caught in a little catchbasin so that the adult does not have
snot sucked into their head. Iremember us talking because I had a friend
in high school that that was whather mam would do, a thing where

(43:20):
she would basically like you're given CPR, but just to the nose and would
just blow out to that and itwould blow all the snot out of your
nose and into your mouth essentially.Right. But from the makers of the
nose Frieda, yeah, they havecome out now with another product justin Yes,
Windy, the gas passer. Nowthis this is a product that was

(43:43):
genuinely made and designed for doctor Jayto talk about in his stand up,
Like, that's exactly like when Iwhen you sent me this, I was
I was waiting for this to besome kind of funny or die bit,
but it's like it's real. It'sreal. I'm trying to figure out it
looks like it looks like a howto, like something that you would use

(44:06):
to inject marinate into meet meets,like a turkey turkey baster tampon insertion,
that's the best. It's got asmall, like maybe half inch you know,
nose on it, and then it'sgot these like little kind of you
know how you have a bendy strawthat it's kind of flexible, So I
think that's how it uses to beable to pump it. I don't know
though, But basically what this isis it's a pressure release valve that you

(44:29):
shove up your kid's ass and itrelieves their gas. Am I is that
right? Well? Yeah, ifyour kid's full of gas and is unable
to pass it, as most humanbeings eventually are able to do, you
can shove this kid up your acid. It'll vent vent the gas. But
how like do you plit? There'sgonna be a lot of traumatized kids.

(44:51):
We went through a lot of troubleto invent thermometers that didn't have to get
shoved up their ass. Okay,we've got temporal thermometers, ear thermometers,
oral the thermometers thermometers should put acrossthe kid's head that change color, all
because we don't want to shove thingsup our kids asses. And yet the
people that brought you the nose Friedahave brought you a device that you can

(45:15):
shove up your kid's ass to relievetheir gas, which would eventually pass on
its own doctor invented. By theway, I like their little ad thing
here it says, sometimes baby's fullof it gas, that is, skip
the drops and use Windy to instantlyfree stubborn gas stuck in the baby's pipes.

(45:36):
The can you when you see thisright? It gives you when you
go online and you can find thisby frieda baby dot com and just or
just do a Google search for Windywi NDI when you're looking at this,
can you even can you even beginto have the Friday? The Friday which
is the buttwher, oh not thebud Day, but the a day love

(46:00):
for day, the Buttwasher, andthey have nail freed to the snipper clipper
so that you won't cut your kidsfigure tip off. I guess, boy,
well we all have to do thatonce or twice draw blood, right,
isn't that part of being a parrot? Yes? And we that it
happened to Jacob. Natalie was tiredof tremendous fingernails, and then she took
a little piece of his fingertip off, and then she watched him slowly cry

(46:22):
and felt horrible. I'm really afraidof pairing shoven things up their kids asses.
I did too. I don't understand. Don't even want to put Q
tips into the ear canal? Yeah? And when you so, I keep.
What I want to know is thatyou looking at this design? Is
it just as simple as that thatlittle probe goes in and gets just past
the rectum of the anus, whichis the reason why the gas camp has

(46:45):
they too, like a trumpet,I guess like it just evacuates the high
pressure system moves into the low pressuresystem of the valley. Right, I
guess I just don't understand it,but I didn't think of it. Are
you like I? Just as parents, we just beca just tell the parents
if their kids are gassy? Justto pull their index figure a couple of

(47:06):
times and all the air comes out. That's the uncle method, is the
Remember how they tell you to pumpthe legs, right, that's a thing,
right, You pump the legs andthen push them up to their rib
cage, their knees up to theirrib cage, or stirn them a little
bit just to kind of work itout. Right. That's you moving the
gas around and pumping it through right, right. But what if they burp
the baby? There isn't going tobe that much gas to come out the

(47:29):
bottom. Are we gonna come upwith a fucking throat freedom that you're gonna
shove into their stomach to get theburp out because you're too impatient to pat
your kids back for ten minutes toget a burp. Yeah. And I
guess I've just never had a babywho had extremely bad gas. But I
just feel like this has meant isI don't know any baby that's had bad
enough gas that they need a trumpthat shoved up their ass. You know

(47:52):
what I'd be more inclined to buythis is that when the kid But you
know how when you use the lightningMcQueen potty, when the kids pie trading
flush right. I'd be more inclinedif this was, like, you know,
you could pick a song that itplays like a doorbell wherever there's some
kind of well you wonder like arecorder. Yeah, yeah, people,

(48:15):
you know, and some of thesekids might become quite proficient at playing their
own as ending their gas from theirass, and they might become accomplished recordists.
See, maybe this isn't as badas we think it is. No,
it's pretty bad. But but theother thing that you said, and
I'm shocked at how you come acrossthis, in particular because I like to
think that I'm pretty connected, althoughI did admit I've been living under a

(48:37):
rock, but in this world,like in a world where you don't want
your kid to experience any kind ofdiscomfort due to gas. The other thing
is that there's this new viral trendof people uh flinging slices of American cheese
like a frisbee and sticking it totheir child's or baby's face and then watching

(48:59):
it. And I like, ohgod, that kids, Oh I got
it is? I like, becauseI lash it's coming over the top of
the piece of the cheese, andthat's I don't understand this. What is
the what's the point of this?I mean, I know that's a stupid
question. Well again, I thinkit's it's again going back to what I've
said earlier, not enough Indians anymore. What do you mean we're worried.

(49:19):
If we were worried about defending ourselvesagainst Indians, we wouldn't have time for
this shit. Oh that makes sense. Yeah, And here's here's my other
theory about this is that this isalso like there's a fun Instagram account.
Now there's probably hundreds of them whereit's like just a picture of a baby
or a toddler screaming, and it'slike I wouldn't uh, I didn't give
her her apple slices in a purplebowl. Or and there's one that I

(49:45):
remember that they were standing next toa lake and it's like I wouldn't let
her go swimming in the lake becauseshe can't swim, you know kind of
thing. And this is what theyalways say, like hashtag I'm an asshole,
you know kind of thing. Thisis. This is a cathartic thing
for parents, right like this isyou you kept me up all night,
so I'm gonna I'm gonna stick apiece of fucking cheese to your face of
record myself doing it. Uh well, you know what, we can't beat

(50:09):
them anymore. So Yeah, throwinga slice of processed American cheese food product
at them, I guess is aboutas gentle as they can get. I
would say, forget the cheese,shove shove a windy up their ass,
right, go full tilt in yourhashtag windy videos, windy challenge, hashtag

(50:34):
windy challenge, if you got ahashtag cheese challenge on Twitter, you can
see all these amazing videos of kidshaving American cheese, both white and uh
yellow, thrown at them. They'realso throwing them at dogs too, but
the dogs just turn their head andeat, which is fucking awesome. It
never hits their head, It justgoes right in their mouth. They have

(50:58):
too much time on our hands,That's what it is. That's what I'm
I want to ask you. You'rea gotta go to the fridge, you
gotta get the cheese, you gottatake the wrapper out, you gotta turn
your phone on, get the cameragoing. That's a lot of time.
Yeah, in your opinion, isthere any like is this is this abusive
in your opinion. Abusive, No, psychologically abusive. I don't know.

(51:21):
Are they going to show the kids, Hey, look at what we used
to do, but we we wewould throw American cheese at your head because
well we don't really have a goodreason, but people laughed. Yeah,
and the kid goes to the psychiatristand then he comes home and slaughters his
parents. That's all. That's whatwe have to look forward to. There's
one in here that that makes mefeel sad, where that you could tell

(51:43):
them, Like the mom's coming upto the playpen and the little boy is
so happy and excited, and thenshe just slaps a piece of cheese on
his head, and then he's like, what the fuck is Like? You
know what, Let's let's treat ourkids with love and affection and discipline.
Let's teach them to be resourceful,respectful, resilient, all those states that
are important when you're a grown up. And if you're a grown up and

(52:07):
you're throwing cheese at your kid's head, you're you're you're not really showing him
a good example of what a grownup is all about. Yeah, I'm
becoming an old man. It's happening, doctor j. It's happening before all
because I'm looking at the music.Yeah, all right, that was our
show. Send an email to showat the Dad podcast dot com. Don't

(52:30):
forget to follow doctor J on Twitterat doctor j sute. The links for
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dot com and find out when doctorJ is playing at a city near you.
Uh and uh, and maybe throwsome some toys towards Rodney. He's
in the background. He's contributing tothe show. Oh, he's a pain

(52:50):
in the ass. I'll tell you. When I looked down, I told
you he's got the tiniest head.When I look down from above at him,
he shaped like an armadillo. That'sa well fed dog. Though.
That's a good he's having a goodlife. You're giving him his best life.
He's literally you wouldn't think so bythe barking, he's ready for more
of that good life instead of youtalking to me and he's like, who's

(53:13):
that asshole on the other side ofthe country. We got chewies to have,
we got walks to be done.There's there's a lot going on.
I even bought him spreads real treatsthat We're supposed to shut him up,
and he went outside and buried him. Fuck you, boss man. That's
right. I'm saved these for later. That's great. Odd behalf of the

(53:36):
awesome doctor J Sute. This isjustin Warshaim saying, hug your kids,
hump your loved one, and stayfrosty my friends,