August 28, 2025 • 60 mins
This week, I am honored to have a returning Matthew Dawson (of Mortalverse Fame) to talk about his new project, Batman Beyond. Be sure to listen to the entire episode for a special announcement from Matthew.
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Thank you. Welcome to the Delvin Cox
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experience, the podcast which each week I am on a one man
mission to you know, our culturediversity.
I'm your host, Delvin Cox, and with me on the podcast as a
special guest creator of the Motorverse, My boy, my brother
Matthew Dawson. How you doing bro?
Hey Delvin, it's so good to be back.
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I'm excited to be here. I'm excited to talk to you
again. It's been too long and I'm just
just happy. I'm thrilled.
I'm thrilled to be back on the Delvin Cox experience.
This is going to be great. I'm super excited to have this
conversation because you have a new series coming up, Batman
Beyond. We're going to get into it in a
minute. Yes, Sir.
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But as as always, we'd like to start the podcast off at the
five for five, five questions bythat's to get the ball with the
Matthew. Are you ready?
Yes, Sir. Question number one, I saw this
thing on the Internet. I don't know if you heard of
this Internet thing. It's pretty.
Popular. Yeah, I I saw it on the news.
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Yeah. Yeah, so they were talking about
how the creator of the show, TheKids Next Door, is trying to
bring back the show. Have you heard of this?
Code name Kids next door. Yes, code name, Kids next door.
OK, the. Creator is trying to bring the
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show back. OK, no I have not seen this.
And, and if you look on the Internet right now, you can look
on Twitter, you you'll, you can find like the video clips of the
they like they like shot like like test screens and stuff like
that. And the characters are aged up.
Looks pretty cool. It's like a like a a modern
version of the show. So my question to you, Matthew,
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is if you could bring back one of those Cartoon Network shows
besides Kids next door and and age of the characters.
I like King of the Hill and thisand apparently this kids next
door show. What show are you doing?
This isn't this isn't my choice because it happened, but do you
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remember when they brought back Samurai Jack?
I love that. Yeah, that was a great season.
That fifth season, insane how good it was.
They were like they they realized, Hey adults has been
watching this show the whole time.
Maybe we should make this show more for them and they that's
what they did. Yeah.
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Oh man, that's tough. Depressing ass ending.
By the way, yeah, yeah, no, let let the.
MRI Jack ending is super depressing.
Gosh, I'm trying to think specifically of like bring a
show back and age it up 'cause there are a lot of shows that
I'm like they that just got cancelled too soon.
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Yeah, I, I have a show I would think of while you're thinking
of the top of your head, OK? I, I would bring back the
boondock, OK. And I would age up Riley and
Huey to like 1716 or like 17 and15 if I'm correct.
OK. Yeah.
So then, yeah. That'd be cool.
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Instead of young kids, they're like teenagers.
I I honestly I've not watched much boondocks.
Great show now very relevant forthis time.
Yeah, yeah, You know what? I might.
I think it'd be cool to bring back Avatar the Last Airbender
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and age everyone up like OK, 10 years.
OK, so the original show. He written not Cora like the in
what we got in between, you know, 'cause in Cora you see
Toff and she's really old and ANG's dead and all this.
I'm saying like maybe Katara andANG have what's their Tenzin as
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like a young kid, you know, you see him growing up and yeah,
Toff's like lead in the whateverforce she was leaving.
And just the Bridget, it's not really needed, but it's kind of
just more for me because I love those characters.
I want to see more of them. I I feel like that's just sure
that they could have aged up characters and brought it back
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because there's a lot of stuff you, there's lots more stories
you can tell with AG at a older age because in the original
series he didn't age that much. If you want to be honest, no.
Doesn't the whole like original series take place in like a
year? Like all three seasons.
It's like a year, like you can go for another year.
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It's OK to keep the show going. I know, like every time, because
they're making another Avatar show and I think they're
skipping ahead, like to the nextAvatar.
So every Avatar show was like 100 years after the last.
You don't have to do that. I mean, yeah, you.
Yeah, I'd I'd be finding more older Aang adventures.
Yeah, it makes, it almost makes no sense to me that they're
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like, hey, we're we're just going to tell this one story,
Just stop there. So nothing else happened after
that one year. It was just calm and peaceful
for the rest Avatars now. Yeah, like you, you know there
the Fire Nation didn't just likeall bow down to Zuko right away
after Ozai got his powers taken.Spoilers for Avatar 20 plus year
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old show. Yes, all right, question #2 this
is going to be a fun one. If you could take one character
that is super popular and make them not popular and the flip of
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that is 1 character that is not so popular not a lot of people
know about all of a sudden becomes super popular.
What characters are you flipping?
OK, gotcha. Oh, OK, you know what?
This is sad because I'm not, I'mnot a hater of this character,
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but I do think he gets a little,he got a little too big for his
britches. OK.
And that's, that's Deadpool. OK.
I enjoy Deadpool, I think every couple of years Marvel randomly
puts all their chips on Deadpooland it gets annoying and I get
sick of Deadpool. And DC kind of does the same
thing with Harley Quinn. That is also true.
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Those two kind of like it's likeonce every two years, DC or
Marvel just decides, you know what, we're going to do way too
much with these characters untilthey're.
Once like powerful character in the universe.
Yeah, yeah. But Harley Quinn's not on my bad
side right now as much as Deadpool is.
So we're going to get rid of Deadpool or he's going to be low
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popularity? OK, he'll be back to where he
used to be at. Also his creator.
Do you follow Rob Liefeld on Twitter?
He's been going off on Twitter recently, like.
Not lately. He's going insane.
Well, that makes a lot of sense.Because apparently they had some
after party for Deadpool and Wolverine when that came out and
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Kevin Feige didn't invite him. And so he's just gone on like a
anti Marvel tirade since then ofjust every like he posted an
empty theater and he's like, this was my Fantastic Four
screening. This movie sucks.
Marvel sucks. Well, that sounds like the X-Men
97 guy. Yeah, Gabo de Mayo.
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Who? Kind of said the same thing
happened to him. Yeah, right.
Those some about, some about theX-Men, man.
Yeah, those creators. OK.
Yeah, so we're getting rid of Deadpool and we're going to who?
Whatever gets rid of them, we'remaking him not as.
Well, we're making him less popular.
So he'll be, he'll be essentially why he used to be
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active. Deadpool.
He wasn't that popular a while back.
Yeah, I still feel even before that first movie, though, he
always had like the like the video game, that Deadpool video
game. I feel like that's when he
really kind of jumped up. OK, so I'm trying to think who
can we put it? Where can we put him at where he
wouldn't be as popular? I'm just saying like keeping,
you know, comics, making that guy that hangs out cable, you
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know? But I'm thinking about it
popular while he'll probably be like, let's just say he'll be
like it's popular like an indie comic.
He wouldn't be a popular like helike like who?
Yeah, gosh, no. I'm gonna put Donna Troy as get
her more popular. OK, so she.
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Because she is just the most underrated character in Titan's
history of like everyone knows the ones that are in the
cartoons. And then there's Wally W who is
popular because of Flash stuff. And then there's Donna, who just
not real. I I didn't watch that Titans TV
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show, the live action 1. So she could be in there.
I don't know. I'll never.
OK, well, she could be in there.Correctly.
I don't think it's that great though.
Yeah, no, I don't. That show didn't get great
reviews, but yeah, put her in the maybe.
You know what? Bring back Titans, bring that
show back, Age up the charactersor Teen Titans the cartoon, not
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the Yeah And put her on the team.
I think season did they cancel at four or five?
It doesn't matter. I think whatever the next season
was going to be, the creator said.
They were going to introduce down to Troy and put her on the
team as Wonder Girl, but obviously that didn't happen.
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So, yeah, OK. Yeah, let's, let's get down,
Troy. More love.
OK, so you know my math's going to be I'm going to
unpopularized. Let's see, Avatar.
Well, oh, the whole movie franchise.
Yes, absolutely not. And what will I popularize in
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its place? You know what?
I'll popularize the The Riddick franchise 'cause I love The
Chronicles of Riddick. Or better yet than what I'll do,
I'll, and this is gonna be a hottake, I'll unpopularize the Fast
and Furious franchise and popularize the Riddick franchise
because I like Whitake far better than I like Fast Furious.
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If, if we're doing franchises, you know, one I think deserves
to get unpopularized, Jurassic Park, Jurassic Park.
We need to. That's also so who, who are you
putting in this place? Oh oh, Saw the Saw franchise.
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OK, I I like that. I like that.
It's not the smallest franchise in the world, but like if
everyone was a Saw fan my life would be much happier 'cause I
make far too many Saw referenceson day-to-day that don't.
Get we probably probably get a lot more better Saw movies,
honestly. You know, did you see Saw?
XI have not heard it's very good.
It's so good, Delvin, I think you'd love it.
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I was going to watch it. I was like watching it and
something happened to my wife while like OK I can't watch it
right now. I don't remember what it was.
It was something like really badand traumatized.
Like I guess I can't watch some.I was gonna say it.
Happened while I was watching the movie.
Like in the beginning stuff you're like, hey, this is going
on, you need probably stop focusing on this movie.
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Yeah, I don't think you might. Yeah, I don't think Saw X is the
movie to watch if you're in a bad head space.
Yeah, I saw a movie for that matter.
I agree. Maybe I should stop watching it.
All right. Question #3 Matthew.
Yeah. You you dabbled in film creation
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and stuff like that. I did, yeah.
A little bit, a little bit. So you got all these characters
that that you can kind of like work with now finally call the
phrase where the where the the characters the license expires
are. You can use them like Winnie the
Pooh and. Public domain.
Yeah, all these public domain characters.
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So you, if you can make one movie based on a public domain
character, what movie would you make?
And I'm going to look up some public domain characters, give
you some ideas. OK, OK, I know Popeye just said
public domain. Correct.
He's he's very cool. I like spinach.
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You a spinach guy, Delvin? Yeah, spinach is good.
I'm a Popeye fan. Yeah, yeah, spinach is good.
I watched that Ice Cube War of the Worlds movie.
I. Heard it's awful.
It's one of the worst movies I've ever seen.
And I want to watch that. And I'm pretty sure War of the
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Worlds is public domain. And now that I've seen that
movie, I'm just kind of like, I could do this better, like War
of the Worlds, I could make a good War of the Worlds.
It's not that hard. I feel you.
Just don't do what they did. You probably can make a really
cool War of the Worlds audio drama.
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Yeah, yeah, I mean, the original, like narrated by Orson
Welles. Galvatron or not Galvatron?
Nope. Oh, Delvin, I just saw a vein
pop in your head. Unicron himself.
That radio play was what got that whole story popular.
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Yeah. What are some other public
domain stuff? OK, Felix the Cat.
Yeah, yeah. Mickey Mouse.
Like, you know, a Steamboat Mickey.
Yeah, the Steamboat Willie. Popeye, Oswald the Lucky Rabbit.
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OK, Yep. Many of the Looney Tunes and
Merry Melody's character shorts from the 30s.
Now this one. I don't know if this is true or
not. If this is true, Matthew, we
need to jump right the fuck on this.
All right, what do we got? Let me look this up, I'm going
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to make sure this is true because I don't know this AI
stuff is. Well it's probably lies then the
AI overview. Oh, it is absolutely true.
OK, what do we got? Matthew, you need to do this.
OK, what do we got? Donna?
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Make some money. The Fletcher Superman films
cartoons The Max Fletcher Superman cartoons.
Yeah. They are public domain.
Really. Yes.
How are those public domain but Superman himself isn't?
That doesn't make sense 'cause Ithink.
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So. Superman's gonna be public
domain in like 5 years or so. So in theory you can use that.
OK, let's see what it says. Although look at the arena on a
little bit more right now. Although all entries are public
domain in the United States, ancillary rights such as
merchandise and contract rights,as well as the original 35mm
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Masters elements are owned by Warner Brothers, also owned
Superman's publisher DC Comic. But you can use Max Fletcher's
and Dave Fletcher's Superman. Wow, that, that that's so hard
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to like distinguish though. Like, yeah, we're the we're the
Fleischer version of Superman. But yeah, yeah, absolutely.
And I'm, I'm just looking now. Another one, King Kong public
domain. I didn't realize looking at
this, they were running their studios.
Those things were made down herein Miami, FL.
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Really. Yeah.
That makes sense because wasn't Disney and all that based out of
Orlando? Yes.
I want to say Warner, Yeah. Warner Bros was down here too.
Yeah, or down there. I'm not in Florida.
So yeah, you can use Max Flight your Superman.
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Yeah, let's do Superman versus King Kong.
That's actually a good idea. I'm sure that's that version.
Superman's probably AI. Don't know.
I've never seen those old cartoons, so I don't know how
powerful that guy was, but. He was the fastener, speeding
bullet leap over at a single bound.
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He was pretty powerful, but I don't think he was like
unbeatable. I just see those clips once in a
while where it's like a clip of that Fleischer Superman cartoon
and it's just the post that sayslike animation never looks this
good anymore. Bring back this.
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I like that animation, but yeah,it's not it's, it's, it's
because of the aesthetic of it and the art, but it's not that
great. Yeah, I mean it's great
animation, but like to say that animation like that doesn't
exist anymore. It's is wild.
I've seen cartoons look better than that.
Yeah, I love that, that animation, but it's just, it's
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just art status. Really cool.
Yep, Yep. It's hand drawn, it flows, it's
great. Question #4 Back Who is your
favorite cartoon dog? Oh.
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Hey cartoon dog. Gosh, I like scooby-doo is in my
head. I love scooby-doo but I feel
like I'm going to say scooby-dooand forget a cartoon dog.
I like Snoopy is great. Yes, Snoopy.
Snoopy's great. Odie from Garfield is great.
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Odie's fine. I'm not a fan of Brian Griffin.
You know, he's a little smug. Griffin. 101 Dalmatians.
That's just too many. That's too many Dalmatians.
I had no. Dino Mutt.
Dino, what's he? Oh, is that the Flintstones?
So that's you. Ever heard of the cartoon show
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Blue Falcon and Dino Mutt? Oh yeah, I didn't know his name
was Dino Mutt. Yes.
Gotcha. Oh, Clifford the big red dog.
He was my favorite as a kid. Yeah, he's good.
He's pretty cool. Good dog.
Jake the dog is a good dog. Yeah, Courage is a good dog.
Dang, got a lot of good cartoon dogs.
Yeah, yeah, 10 of them. Oh, does would cat dog count
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'cause we got a cat that. The dog part of it would count.
We gotta cut, we gotta cut cat dog in.
Half gotta cut off cat. Dang, oh oh, you know I got my
answer. OK.
Doug from Up. Great cartoon dog.
And it's a great cartoon dog. Is is hilarious.
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UPS great movie. Yeah, it is underrated, like
people always talk about the first 10 minutes.
The rest of the movie is great too.
Yeah, this movie is fantastic. One of my favorite Pixar movies.
Yep, same. Absolutely.
Leading into #5 Matthew. Number.
Five Give me your top five Pixarmovie.
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Oh, oh, oh, you know, I think I've may have made this a list
on my letterbox. I'm going to double check that
real quick because I would be remiss if I left out a movie and
I was wrong. I will say, Yep, I got it all
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right. Number 50.
Man, this list might be a littleoutdated, but #5 wow, I need to
really update this list. This is kind of bad.
I'm going to, I'm going to kind of just wing it, but I have them
looking at them at least #5 We're going to put, we're going
to put up. We love Up, Doug, it's great.
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Makes me cry. Just like a Pixar movie ship #4
We're going to put Toy Story 2. I love Toy Story 2.
It's my favorite Toy Story. It's funny, it's great, it's
great. We left toys there.
Number three, I'm going to put Onward.
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I love Onward. Like that movie.
Sometimes I think about that movie and I cry.
OK. I love that OK, unpopular
opinion there. Number 2 The Incredibles.
The incredibles is incredible. You know, it's it's the fan best
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Fantastic Four movie we've ever forgotten.
OK. And #1 my favorite Pixar movie.
It has the best music, the best characters, the best heartfelt
moments, the best comedy. It's Monsters Inc.
That movie is 10 out of 10. Great, great.
It's great movie. All right.
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Let me see if I can give my top five.
Yeah, I want to know yours. The original Toy Story.
OK, great movie. Incredibles Monsters Inc.
Now this is where it gets or #4 this.
This is no, in no particular order.
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Number 4 is Soul. Yeah.
Which I love souls, an incredible movie and my number 5
is Wally. OK, Yeah, yeah, Wally's very
good. Yeah, I think Pixar, the fact
that Pixar has so many movies and a lot of them are pretty
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much specific classic, like, youknow, shoot, I even forgot like
Finding Nemo. Yeah, yeah, that one's probably
my number six. That's not a great movie and.
You know, a lot of these movies,like like a lot of the modern
ones I haven't seen. Like I haven't seen Elemental.
I haven't seen Inside Out one ortwo.
I haven't seen Ileo, I haven't seen Lightyear, I haven't seen
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Turn in Red, haven't seen Luca, I haven't seen All work.
I'm surprised you haven't seen Inside Out, that's like one of
the big ones. Yeah, I haven't seen Coco.
I've missed a lot of these movies.
Wow, Coco too. Yeah.
Yeah, I'm you know what? Inside Out is a little overrated
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in my opinion. People love that.
Those movies, I think they're pretty good.
Coco though, that gets all the praise it deserves.
That movie is fantastic. Pixar reminds me a lot of Marvel
in the sense where Pixar has allthese movies that like were like
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people Dave like classic like they couldn't miss.
And then it got to this point where the movies were just good
instead of amazing. And then people start like
shitting on Pixar like, but these movies are still really
good. I get, I get that you're like,
this isn't the same quality as Toy Story water 2 or or Cars
water and stuff like that. But like, these are still really
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good movies. Yeah, I don't, I don't really
know with Pixar, cause like, like you said, Soul came out
just a few years ago. That was incredible.
Onward was in my top five. Coco's a little older now, but
they're still pumping out bangers.
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I don't, yeah. I just don't think they get
recognized as much as they used to.
Yeah, I agree. I hear the Elio movie is very
good too. Yeah, I heard, I've heard that
as well. I don't know if it's probably
because our society has changed so much and it's become so
cynical, like people have becomelike bitter and mean.
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So when you try to bring things like happy, it makes you think
people like, oh, we don't want to hear that shit.
You know, I I don't, I'm going to sound like old man yelling at
a cloud here, but do kids care about movies anymore?
Like. I don't think they do like.
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Or is it just YouTube like Mr. Beast, you know?
I don't think they used they I don't think they do anymore like
they used. To like if I sat down with the
kid, I'm like, hey, we're going to either, we got 2 hours to
kill. We're either going to watch the
Incredibles or we're I'm going to hand you an iPad with TikTok
on it. I feel like most kids are taking
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the iPad. I don't.
Know, yeah, I think I think you're right.
I think a lot, I think what's happened is a lot of people, not
even just kids, a lot of people have been taught to have a short
pittance pad where they need content like this, this, this,
this and they can't sit down andwatch content like like we like
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like we used to watch like we used to be able to say I watched
movie for 2-3 hours, enjoy the experience.
It was something that talk aboutit and stuff like that.
People don't like to do that no more.
They like to sit down and get their dope mean fixed.
Twitter or Facebook or TikTok, that quick 5 minute video, 2
minute video, then they move on.I think kids are doing that too.
Like even like cartoon shows with cartoon shows being 30
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minutes, 15 minutes, 10 minutes.Like that's like be 5 minutes
because people don't have that intention span.
No more like the average cartoonshow is not I it used to be.
I think that's because people's intention spans getting shorter
and shorter. That's crazy.
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Like as a kid, I remember I wentthrough like phases where like I
had a like a Spider Man phase where I watched Spider Man every
day for a month and then I wouldlike watch Monsters Inc every
day for a month. And I, I just, I don't know if
that's a thing anymore. Yeah, like.
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Yeah, it. Just always has to be the next
thing, next thing, next thing. Yeah, I used to constantly watch
like cartoon shows and was excited to watch cartoon shows
and like stuff like when I was akid, Saturday morning cartoons
was like a big deal. Like we knew from 7:00 to noon
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on Saturday mornings, almost every channel had some sort of
cartoons on. And you just could go from cart,
like channel to channel, find the cartoon shows you wanted to
watch. And then it, and then like one
day it just all kind of went away.
And it kind of sucks. Like I, I missed that era of
watching TV. Like, OK, Saturday, like every
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other day of the week. We don't really have cartoons.
Maybe like a little bit after school and stuff like that.
Like 2:30 to four o'clock 5:00 when we have.
But that's Saturday morning whennobody else is really watching
TV 'cause you know, it's nothingon TV till like, you know,
college football and stuff like that at at noon.
But from 7:00 to 12:00 you're gonna get of the jam packed with
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cartoon with the Sonic the Hedgehog captain in or whatever
it may be Static Shock for that,for that generation Batman
animated series. But whatever it may be, you
would have been enjoying cartoons until 12:00.
That is your cut off time. Yep.
And that's like a we don't want to do that.
Now they just show boring TV shows.
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Saturday TV is boring. TV is boring as heck.
What happened? Yeah, I mean, I feel like I I
had like growing up, I had Nickelodeon, Cartoon Network
like going on all the time. So I didn't have that entirely.
But I will say the four kids network was my equivalent to
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Saturday morning cartoons because that would only play on
Saturday mornings or maybe Sunday too.
I I only remember Saturday mornings, and that was the only
time I could watch Ninja Turtlesor Sonic X Are Pokémon Yu-gi-oh?
Yeah, like that was like the sacred time of like, OK, I can
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watch SpongeBob any day of the week, but this is the only day I
get to watch Yu-gi-oh, so I'm gonna be tuned in.
I remember that network. That was a pretty cool network.
Yeah, yeah. I don't know if they're still
around, but. Now I gotta look this up real
quick. Yeah, they, I know they were
also like with obviously Yu-gi-oh and stuff like that.
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They were big on like localizinganime back then.
They were like one of the big first people do it like One
Piece and stuff. That's how a lot of kids my age
got into it. Let's see four kids TV, often
stylized as 4 Kids TV. One of those box born from
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September 14th, 2002 to January 15th, 2005.
That's it. That is it.
No way. That doesn't seem real.
It was only three years. Yes, I imagine they, I imagine
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they just kept showing it over and over again.
Yeah, I guess. Wow, that's crazy.
OK, there's a whole bunch of other things to it.
They renamed the block like Tunzai Tunzai.
At one point it was Vortex but the actual 4 kids name 4 kids TV
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ended J 2008 November 2008. OK the actual name sounds.
More right, I suppose. Yeah, crazy to think about, huh?
That is wow time. Time's crazy.
All right, Matthew, you got a new project coming out.
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I want to say, let's say this week you get some of the people
that are very excited for the Mortarverse is doing it, Batman
Beyond. Yes, Sir, speaking Saturday
morning cartoons. Yes, so let everybody know what
was your thought process of making Batman Beyond a reality
in the motorverse? Because I think this is a really
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cool concept is to show that I think Batman Beyond doesn't get
enough love, is almost untapped,kind of.
Well, So what? What was your process in just
bringing this to life? I so like, kind of like we were
saying with cartoons growing up,I love Batman Beyond.
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And I just, you know, I think that whole world is interesting.
And when you get older, you kindof learn the behind the scenes
of it all and how the network wanted a teenage Batman and the
creators were like, that is the dumbest idea possible.
And then they thought about it more and they're like, OK, OK,
but if we can make it interesting, it's going to work.
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And they did. I mean, they put on the three
seasons of a great show and that.
Yeah. So as Mortal Verse has been
going, I, I get a lot of requests of shows.
As you know, Delvin, you are oneof the people who gives me a lot
of requests and Batman Beyond isone that I've gotten a lot.
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People love Batman Beyond and I don't blame them.
It's awesome. So I, I just started thinking,
because when you're adapting anything, you have to think,
what do people know? How can I make it different from
what they've seen before, but make it recognizable And like
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how, how can I make it good? How can I fit it into the mortal
verse too, 'cause I want it to be very, I want it to be my
version. This isn't, this isn't a
continuation of the show. Like, I don't want people to
listen to this and think it's Season 4 of Batman Beyond 'cause
it's not bad. Like if you get the general gist
of what Batman Beyond is, Terry McGinnis being trained by Batman
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to or buy a Bruce Wayne to take up the role of Batman, you're
gonna have the foundation to getinto Batman Beyond, the audio
drama, but that's it. Don't think like he's gonna
fight Blight and Ink and Shriek in every episode because that's,
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that's not what we're doing. If you look at the art, we have
Punchline, which a lot of peoplewere like, what the Hell's
Punchline doing here? Because that's a, a modern day
Batman character. And like I said, we're doing
something different with the, itis a completely original script
and idea by me. And yeah, yeah, I'm, I'm super
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excited for people to listen to Batman Beyond and I'm nervous.
It's probably one of the most nervous I've been for a project,
but I I think it'll go. I'm super excited for the
hearing that you know, it's not every day that you get to bring
something that I know you did itwith the mortal verse, but this
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is more to your will as in termsof your era, like Batman Beyond
came out a little bit more closer to your era, became a
popular character and stuff likethat.
So a lot of people have a emotional attachment to the
character of Batman, Beyoncé of Terry McGinnis, 10.
I think it's really cool that you get to do this and kind of
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put your spin on it, because themortar verse characters are
amazing. You know, you got to Nightwave,
you got your Chester League Mortal.
But the template was there for those characters already as well
too, though. So that helped a lot with Batman
Beyond. There's a template there, but
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there's still a lot you can do with the character that hasn't
been touched yet. Like, you know, even like, you
know, with Terry McGinnis being a older Batman and things like
that, we can get a little bit ofthat.
Well, we haven't gotten enough. Yeah.
You know, we haven't really got enough, like teenage Terry
McGinnis for that matter. So it's it's it's wild for you
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to kind of explore. So let's let's hear about you
talk about that a little bit. Well, something something so
interesting about the cartoon was that he, Terry McGinnis
grew, which you didn't see a lotin cartoons.
Like growing up, you could only catch a random episode of Batman
Beyond here and there. Like you didn't have Netflix
where you could binge the whole series.
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Like you never got the story in order, at least from my
perspective. And but now watching it, you
start on season 1, you can watchany episode on season 1 and then
you watch any episode on season 2.
Terry is a different character. He has grown.
He is more, he's better at beingBatman.
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And that's something I is reallyimportant to me that I want to
capture in this show. I mean, right now it's just a
special. This is a 1 episode kind of
pilot we're putting out there. People like it will do more, but
that's something that's really important to me that I want to
show Terry's growth. And that's some we're kind of
kind of, we're kicking off Terryinto a journey.
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I'm not going to say too much because it kind of spoils it.
But by the end of the Batman Beyond show, you're going to see
that Terry is going to have to either flight, what is it, fight
or flight, whatever he's going to, he's going to have to do
something, you know, about his situation.
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So, yeah, And I just think that that's so interesting that one
of the cartoon shows growing up had a character actually grow
and learn and do better and be more accomplished.
And then when you get to the epilogue episode Justice League,
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where Terry is fully grown and he is the leader of the Justice
League, it's like, wow, like youactually see this kid go on
quite a journey. And that's something I want to
capture with this. And then also bringing in
elements of other mortal verse shows.
Like I if you haven't listened to Justice League mortal, I
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don't think you can listen to Batman Beyond.
It's it, it, gosh, I feel crazy because nobody knows what I'm
talking about right now as I'm recording it, But everyone's
going to be like, yeah, he's right.
When I, when the releases and people listen to it.
Because if you don't know what happens in mortal guys like I, I
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bring stuff back. Like I, I bring, yes, like
continuity is important to me. And I don't want these things to
feel like the Marvel problem right now where nothing feels
connected. Everything feels disjointed.
We've haven't seen Shang Chi since 2021 and he's never
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talking. He's never talked to anyone.
But like, yeah. This is that's why it was so
important to me in Titans to like have a Justice League
episode in there. And in Batman Beyond, like we're
going to hear in the trailer, you already hear like mention of
Dick Grayson, Jason Todd, DamienWayne even, and characters are
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going to be brought up again andwe'll learn more about where,
where Barbara Gordon, what her journey has been.
The last, gosh, I try not to puta date on it cause Batman Beyond
dates are hard 'cause you know, is every episode you watch in
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that show, they'll change how many years it's been.
Bruce has been like, I met Mr. Freeze 20 years ago and the next
episode would be like, well, I fought him 40 years ago.
It's like Bruce Dementia's speaking in buddy.
That's what happens when you dress up as a bat and punch
criminals for your entire mid, mid 30s.
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Yeah, yeah. That's just something that's
always tickled me. Think about Batman and Beyond
and I'm I'm just excited. I'm so excited.
I'm very excited for people to get into this.
I'm very excited for people to hear your story and your take on
on Batman. So let let me ask this, what was
casting like that like for doingthis show and how was it
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different as opposed to the shows you've done before?
Why don't you learn from it? Yeah, I never asked that.
Why don't you learn from casting'cause you casted multiple shows
now At this point you learned from like before or from casting
Mortal to now? What have been a different case
you've been doing? First of all, shout out to
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Crystal Storm and everyone who told me don't just tell people
to DM you on Twitter if they want to audition 'cause we did
that for Nightwing year 1 and I think Arrow Canary and I just,
my Twitter literally crashed from DNS.
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So Google Forms is your friend, everyone.
If you're casting for these things, it's so nice, so nice.
Love you Google Forms. But Batman Beyond was
interesting because as you know,Delvin, I think I've talked
about before, I never hire impressionists.
I don't like. I don't like when people come in
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the booth and just do a Kevin Conroy impression 'cause that's,
that's his Batman. You know, I want a different
take. And that's why I think Grace
Decanus, for example, just he orhe.
I'll talk about you, Delvin. Yeah, I'm on your show.
You don't do a Phil Lamar impression.
Your Jon Stewart is the Delvin Cox Jon Stewart, and that's what
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I think makes him great. You bring your own, take your
own delivery. You put your own spin on what
you think Jon Stewart would be. And that's what I love.
I want to hear what your versionof that sounds and if it
connects with me, if it resonates with me, that's what
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I'm going to pick. So Batman Beyond.
I will say this, but we'll move over that hearing race.
The Candace's voice in this as older Bruce Wayne fits so well
with this universe. Yes.
And it makes me excited to hear him play this role.
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And I'm excited to hear where itgoes like, oh, this, this
somehow fits almost better than it did in the mortal verse,
honestly. Speak like, oh, it plays this to
the team. It feels right.
This is how Batman would sound. And this, Yeah, I dig it.
I was talking to Ray about that,about 'cause his Bruce Wayne
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deliveries on old shows, he always had a a very different
voice for when I put it as a Batman line as opposed to a
Bruce Wayne line, because Bruce Wayne was very like, almost
flamboyant of like, oh, yeah, Silver, like my birthday party
that's going on. Yeah.
But his Bruce Wayne now in Batman Beyond from the trailer,
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it's kind of merged with his Batman voice in this beautiful
way that I love of like, you can't really tell who this is
anymore, who this guy is. He's become so absorbed with
Batman that his voice has becomeindistinguishable.
You can't tell if he's putting on the Bruce Wayne or the
Batman. And I I just think that was an
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incredible choice by him. And the the impressions of or
not the impression. The casting of this was
interesting because Will Friedelas Terry McGinnis is so iconic.
And. Yeah, I don't think we got a ton
of people just trying to do WillFriedel, but we did get Oscar
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Stavemeyer, who we casted as Terry McGuinness, and he just
puts this kind of, he puts his grit in his Terry, like he
always sounds like he's got his teeth pressed together as high
as he can. Like, he's got that hardcore
kind of Batman vibe. But then when he's doing Terry,
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like his scenes with his mom, hesounds very vulnerable.
Like he is this teenager who is doing everything to find
guidance. But he's putting his trust in
Bruce Wayne, who is not not the person you wanna send your kids
to learn from. And he's had a troubled past
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with juvenile delinquency. So it's it's just he just put in
such stellar performance and that and then Punchline has is a
pretty like a well known character in comic for comic
fans, but she's never had a voice before.
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She's never been in a cartoon orin a movie or anything.
So it wasn't like when I casted Harley Quinn.
Everyone does the Harley Quinn voice.
Like you know, Harley Quinn justhas a voice.
Punchline was so interesting because no one knew what to do.
And I love that for casting because I got to hear the
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genuine takes of what this is. And Lana Rose, who we casted is
fantastic. She played shimmer in Titan's
Rise, one of the fearsome 5 members, and here she puts on.
She almost sounds like a a crazed game show host, if that
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makes any sense. Like it's all the game, it's all
fun and she's putting on this almost.
I mean, I it's hard to compare anyone to Heath Ledger, but like
the way she the way her character acts is very inspired.
The way I wrote her was a lot inspired by Heath Ledger's
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Joker. But yeah.
And then otherwise, man, who else we cast in this?
Those were kind of the big, the big two.
Obviously they're on the poster,But Mary McGinnis, we had
Janisha, who's been in our showsbefore, she's great.
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Obviously, we got Ray back and we cast a Mr. Fix.
And I think as we go on, if we do continue to do Batman Beyond,
if this performs well, then I think we are going to see more
familiar villains. Like I, I want to do a a Blight
episode so bad. Like he's one of the coolest.
Yes, he. Is designs in that show?
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The Royal Flush Gang is a blast.Ink is, of course, awesome.
She's going to be hard to do in audio form because that
character is so visual, but that's going to be dope.
What's the one of the things that I love about the Batman
Beyond franchise series in itself, the villains are very
different than the Batman Rose Gallery.
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Yes. Like with the exception of like,
you know, the Joker when they brought him back, but you know,
everything was very different. Like even the whole idea, like,
OK, the Joker's gone. Here's this gang that idolized
the Joker. That's who really got them.
But they're not really like the Joker at all.
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They kind of any like like remotely vague.
They're just. Punks, they just.
Punk kids who are just doing shit be doing shit like, 'cause
then they thought the Joker was cool.
And I think that's a really coolway to do that, to bring back
the Joker's account. And in this show, like the
Joker's gang is a thing and no one takes them seriously.
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Like there's a little news segment where they're, gosh, I'm
not going to say too much. Like the Joker's gang is doing
stuff and they're just like, anyways on to the weather 'cause
they're just a bunch of punk kids and and then Punchline
comes along and kicks them into gear and makes them an actual
threat. But yeah, the Batman Beyond, it
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would have been so easy for those writers to just be like,
OK, where is Bane now? Let's do an episode of Terry
fighting an 80 year old Bane andan episode of him fighting a 70
year old Poison Ivy and da da dada.
Da. They didn't do that.
They use the old character so sparingly.
Like there is a Roz al Ghul episode and there is a Mr.
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Freeze episode, but that's kind of it in the Joker movie, of
course. But like, yeah, they and a lot
of them are like Silver age Batman characters that no one
knows, no one cares about 'causethey're from like 1 comic in the
70s. But they like future eyes them.
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I think the the Royal Flush gamegang for example, was like a 70s
Batman villain that was just a one off thing.
But the writer grew up on 70s Batman comics had that weird how
I love Cauldron randomly from 90s Superman comics.
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They had that weird thing for Royal Flush game.
It was like, we're putting this in Terry's world, like, and
that's just awesome how they canbring stuff in from the past,
modernize it. Not only modernize it, but
futurize it and make them this high tech gang of playing card
themed villains. Yeah, I think that's one of the
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most unique things about Batman Beyond is the villain.
And they also they don't get a ton of love.
No, not really. No and.
They're they're we evoke that gallery.
Yeah, yeah, he does. He does all.
Right. Let me ask you this.
So this is kind of like a one shot type deal, right?
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Yeah, for now, I'm kind of considering it a pilot.
Yes, a pilot. Let's let's call it a pilot,
Yeah. So this pilot goes well you want
to do how many more episodes youthink you would do if everything
goes well with this? Oh.
That's a good question though. That has a good question.
I I could almost see it being like, not a season, but like
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every few months between big projects we get a Batman Beyond.
OK. Like, because we, after Batman
Beyond, we're doing Justice League Dark, and then maybe
between Dark and whatever the next big project is, we do
Batman Beyond too. OK.
And I know you've been casting for just the League Dark and
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that process, so how is that going along while you're working
on Batman Beyond? And when Batman Beyond's out
now, what has the project process been like working on
Just Leave Dark? Just like Dark, Yeah, we have
about 99% of the voice work donefor Dark.
I'm editing episode 1 currently.Knock.
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I don't even know if I should say this.
I'm just gonna put out on the universe, so I kick my butt into
gear to do it. Knock on wood.
I'm hoping to release episode 1 on Halloween 'cause I think
that'd be awesome. This, this show is very gritty.
It's dark. I'd say it's probably gonna be
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our first. Well, I'd consider a rated R
project it I wouldn't have your kids listen to Justice League
dark it. It's not like you know, you
know, it's not rated X. You know, you don't have to make
sure your wife and kids are asleep before you listen.
But it's it's got dark violence,bad things happen to characters.
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It's demonic. Like we go full out.
We got John Constantine doing his thing.
Yeah, and I think this could work out perfectly because I'm
looking at the calendar right now.
Halloween is on a Friday. Oh perfect.
We do a little spooky justice. League Dark premiere on
Halloween night. No one's gonna show up, but
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it'll be fun. I think people show up.
That'll be a really cool kind ofthing to do.
Yeah, and we did A House of Mystery last Halloween, the
swamps thing, Swamps thing, special.
And that turned out really well.People didn't, I mean, numbers
didn't show up for it, but I loved it.
That's probably the thing I'm most proud of that I've ever
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edited. I think that show sounds
fantastic. Yeah, it's, it's awesome.
I, I, I think that that's one ofthose things that I like the
fact that you're willing to takerisks with things, DC property
that people don't know as well, like House of Mystery and you
know how you like Justin League Dark for that matter, because I
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was speaking 1, you can put yourown tape to it.
And two, that's how people get to load these characters.
Yes. That was.
A conversation I had with a a Coworker of mine who listened to
the, he listened to all the shows.
He listened Titan's rise though.And he loved Trigon in that
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show. And he got so mad 'cause he's
like why? Why haven't I seen Trigon in a
movie? Where is this guy?
And I'm like, because DC only knows how to make Batman and
Superman move, so you're not gonna ever see Trigon.
And like all these characters, he's like, I love Raven in this.
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Why don't we ever see Raven in live action?
And I'm like, because she's not related to Batman or Superman,
so you're not going to see Raven.
So it's just, that's something that's very important to me is
like exposing people to like Batman Beyond.
You know, you said it's very of my era.
Batman Beyond was a show that was on while I was growing up,
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and people younger than me or older than me that were out of
cartoons at the time or weren't alive yet, don't know.
And you know, DC hasn't really done anything with Batman
Beyond. So that's something I really is
important to me, that I want to get people to know these
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characters and love them the wayI do.
I agree. Dope.
All right. Any last thoughts before we go,
Matthew? I do have one last thought,
Delvin. I always try to bring a surprise
for you, OK? And I always try to bring a
promo or a teaser or something. And I didn't have anything and I
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felt so bad. But Delvin, I did want to do
something for you. OK.
And I wanted to announce the next project on your show.
Is that OK? That is dope.
Yes, absolutely. And, and you are the first
person that will hear about thisand the show will well, yeah,
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yeah, yeah. Next show we're doing after
Batman Beyond of course, and after Justice League Dark we're
doing another special A1 off andit's going to be Cyborg.
Let's go. That's awesome.
Yes, we're doing a Cyborg special.
It's going to be, it's going to be great.
It's I love it. I love it.
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Currently in the finishing up the script phase and then
hopefully we'll get auditions open soon.
People ask me everyday when are we going to be able to audition
and the answer is finally very soon.
So we're we're going to get a Cyborg special because he was
just like I fell in love with that character through writing
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Titans in a way that I never did.
And he just like he stole my heart.
And then after Titans was done, IAI been like, I want to write
Titans season 2 but I got a lot going on right now.
So we're going to settle my little Titans love and do a
Cyborg special, and that is where we are going next.
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That's awesome. So you've heard it here, folks,
just leave dark and a little bitfurther down you got a Cyborg
special to look forward to That is amazing It's.
Going to be great. I'm very excited.
I am too. So Matthew, if someone were to
be a part of the Mortal 1st, andthere's so many ways to do it
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through Patreon, including following on Twitter and all the
social media accounts, how wouldthey find?
Yeah, just look up Mortal Verse on Twitter.
We're there. We have a Facebook group, we
have a Discord server that's actually very active.
We've done some movie nights. It's fun.
It's a great community. Patreon, of course, if you like
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getting stuff early, you like getting a little behind the
scenes stuff. If you like bloopers of Delvin
singing, I'll likely put those up next time I get lines from
Delvin because he always leaves me very nice songs and behind
the scenes content. Yeah, Patreon's a place to be,
man. It's it's a great place.
Delvin's a patron. He's he's a loving member of the
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community. That's correct.
I, I think about it sometimes where I'm like, I pay for
Delvin's Patreon, he pays for mine and we're paying the same
amount. Are we just cancelling each
other out and then Patreon is just getting money from both of
us because they take a little chunk of change?
Correct. But I'm like, but listening to
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Delvin episodes early is worth it, and the D&D podcast is worth
it. This is a.
Shameless plug for Delvin's Patreon on his show.
I appreciate that. Yeah.
Yeah. It's kind of fun, you know?
Delvin Julia is talking to him every week on the DND podcast,
especially the episode we put out recently about us going to a
weekend concert. I'm not listening that.
(59:31):
I'm listening to your Superman review right now.
Yes, it's his first concert everand he went to go see the
weekend. Nice, that's a good one.
I I think so. Also Playboy Carter was there.
Nice. Yeah, it's a blast.
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Thank you. Welcome to the Delvin Cox
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experience, the podcast which each week I am on a one man
mission to you know, our culturediversity.
I'm your host, Delvin Cox, and with me on the podcast as a
special guest creator of the Motorverse, My boy, my brother
Matthew Dawson. How you doing bro?
Hey Delvin, it's so good to be back.
(01:39):
I'm excited to be here. I'm excited to talk to you
again. It's been too long and I'm just
just happy. I'm thrilled.
I'm thrilled to be back on the Delvin Cox experience.
This is going to be great. I'm super excited to have this
conversation because you have a new series coming up, Batman
Beyond. We're going to get into it in a
minute. Yes, Sir.
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But as as always, we'd like to start the podcast off at the
five for five, five questions bythat's to get the ball with the
Matthew. Are you ready?
Yes, Sir. Question number one, I saw this
thing on the Internet. I don't know if you heard of
this Internet thing. It's pretty.
Popular. Yeah, I I saw it on the news.
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Yeah. Yeah, so they were talking about
how the creator of the show, TheKids Next Door, is trying to
bring back the show. Have you heard of this?
Code name Kids next door. Yes, code name, Kids next door.
OK, the. Creator is trying to bring the
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show back. OK, no I have not seen this.
And, and if you look on the Internet right now, you can look
on Twitter, you you'll, you can find like the video clips of the
they like they like shot like like test screens and stuff like
that. And the characters are aged up.
Looks pretty cool. It's like a like a a modern
version of the show. So my question to you, Matthew,
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is if you could bring back one of those Cartoon Network shows
besides Kids next door and and age of the characters.
I like King of the Hill and thisand apparently this kids next
door show. What show are you doing?
This isn't this isn't my choice because it happened, but do you
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remember when they brought back Samurai Jack?
I love that. Yeah, that was a great season.
That fifth season, insane how good it was.
They were like they they realized, Hey adults has been
watching this show the whole time.
Maybe we should make this show more for them and they that's
what they did. Yeah.
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Oh man, that's tough. Depressing ass ending.
By the way, yeah, yeah, no, let let the.
MRI Jack ending is super depressing.
Gosh, I'm trying to think specifically of like bring a
show back and age it up 'cause there are a lot of shows that
I'm like they that just got cancelled too soon.
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Yeah, I, I have a show I would think of while you're thinking
of the top of your head, OK? I, I would bring back the
boondock, OK. And I would age up Riley and
Huey to like 1716 or like 17 and15 if I'm correct.
OK. Yeah.
So then, yeah. That'd be cool.
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Instead of young kids, they're like teenagers.
I I honestly I've not watched much boondocks.
Great show now very relevant forthis time.
Yeah, yeah, You know what? I might.
I think it'd be cool to bring back Avatar the Last Airbender
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and age everyone up like OK, 10 years.
OK, so the original show. He written not Cora like the in
what we got in between, you know, 'cause in Cora you see
Toff and she's really old and ANG's dead and all this.
I'm saying like maybe Katara andANG have what's their Tenzin as
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like a young kid, you know, you see him growing up and yeah,
Toff's like lead in the whateverforce she was leaving.
And just the Bridget, it's not really needed, but it's kind of
just more for me because I love those characters.
I want to see more of them. I I feel like that's just sure
that they could have aged up characters and brought it back
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because there's a lot of stuff you, there's lots more stories
you can tell with AG at a older age because in the original
series he didn't age that much. If you want to be honest, no.
Doesn't the whole like original series take place in like a
year? Like all three seasons.
It's like a year, like you can go for another year.
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It's OK to keep the show going. I know, like every time, because
they're making another Avatar show and I think they're
skipping ahead, like to the nextAvatar.
So every Avatar show was like 100 years after the last.
You don't have to do that. I mean, yeah, you.
Yeah, I'd I'd be finding more older Aang adventures.
Yeah, it makes, it almost makes no sense to me that they're
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like, hey, we're we're just going to tell this one story,
Just stop there. So nothing else happened after
that one year. It was just calm and peaceful
for the rest Avatars now. Yeah, like you, you know there
the Fire Nation didn't just likeall bow down to Zuko right away
after Ozai got his powers taken.Spoilers for Avatar 20 plus year
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old show. Yes, all right, question #2 this
is going to be a fun one. If you could take one character
that is super popular and make them not popular and the flip of
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that is 1 character that is not so popular not a lot of people
know about all of a sudden becomes super popular.
What characters are you flipping?
OK, gotcha. Oh, OK, you know what?
This is sad because I'm not, I'mnot a hater of this character,
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but I do think he gets a little,he got a little too big for his
britches. OK.
And that's, that's Deadpool. OK.
I enjoy Deadpool, I think every couple of years Marvel randomly
puts all their chips on Deadpooland it gets annoying and I get
sick of Deadpool. And DC kind of does the same
thing with Harley Quinn. That is also true.
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Those two kind of like it's likeonce every two years, DC or
Marvel just decides, you know what, we're going to do way too
much with these characters untilthey're.
Once like powerful character in the universe.
Yeah, yeah. But Harley Quinn's not on my bad
side right now as much as Deadpool is.
So we're going to get rid of Deadpool or he's going to be low
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popularity? OK, he'll be back to where he
used to be at. Also his creator.
Do you follow Rob Liefeld on Twitter?
He's been going off on Twitter recently, like.
Not lately. He's going insane.
Well, that makes a lot of sense.Because apparently they had some
after party for Deadpool and Wolverine when that came out and
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Kevin Feige didn't invite him. And so he's just gone on like a
anti Marvel tirade since then ofjust every like he posted an
empty theater and he's like, this was my Fantastic Four
screening. This movie sucks.
Marvel sucks. Well, that sounds like the X-Men
97 guy. Yeah, Gabo de Mayo.
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Who? Kind of said the same thing
happened to him. Yeah, right.
Those some about, some about theX-Men, man.
Yeah, those creators. OK.
Yeah, so we're getting rid of Deadpool and we're going to who?
Whatever gets rid of them, we'remaking him not as.
Well, we're making him less popular.
So he'll be, he'll be essentially why he used to be
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active. Deadpool.
He wasn't that popular a while back.
Yeah, I still feel even before that first movie, though, he
always had like the like the video game, that Deadpool video
game. I feel like that's when he
really kind of jumped up. OK, so I'm trying to think who
can we put it? Where can we put him at where he
wouldn't be as popular? I'm just saying like keeping,
you know, comics, making that guy that hangs out cable, you
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know? But I'm thinking about it
popular while he'll probably be like, let's just say he'll be
like it's popular like an indie comic.
He wouldn't be a popular like helike like who?
Yeah, gosh, no. I'm gonna put Donna Troy as get
her more popular. OK, so she.
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Because she is just the most underrated character in Titan's
history of like everyone knows the ones that are in the
cartoons. And then there's Wally W who is
popular because of Flash stuff. And then there's Donna, who just
not real. I I didn't watch that Titans TV
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show, the live action 1. So she could be in there.
I don't know. I'll never.
OK, well, she could be in there.Correctly.
I don't think it's that great though.
Yeah, no, I don't. That show didn't get great
reviews, but yeah, put her in the maybe.
You know what? Bring back Titans, bring that
show back, Age up the charactersor Teen Titans the cartoon, not
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the Yeah And put her on the team.
I think season did they cancel at four or five?
It doesn't matter. I think whatever the next season
was going to be, the creator said.
They were going to introduce down to Troy and put her on the
team as Wonder Girl, but obviously that didn't happen.
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So, yeah, OK. Yeah, let's, let's get down,
Troy. More love.
OK, so you know my math's going to be I'm going to
unpopularized. Let's see, Avatar.
Well, oh, the whole movie franchise.
Yes, absolutely not. And what will I popularize in
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its place? You know what?
I'll popularize the The Riddick franchise 'cause I love The
Chronicles of Riddick. Or better yet than what I'll do,
I'll, and this is gonna be a hottake, I'll unpopularize the Fast
and Furious franchise and popularize the Riddick franchise
because I like Whitake far better than I like Fast Furious.
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If, if we're doing franchises, you know, one I think deserves
to get unpopularized, Jurassic Park, Jurassic Park.
We need to. That's also so who, who are you
putting in this place? Oh oh, Saw the Saw franchise.
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OK, I I like that. I like that.
It's not the smallest franchise in the world, but like if
everyone was a Saw fan my life would be much happier 'cause I
make far too many Saw referenceson day-to-day that don't.
Get we probably probably get a lot more better Saw movies,
honestly. You know, did you see Saw?
XI have not heard it's very good.
It's so good, Delvin, I think you'd love it.
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I was going to watch it. I was like watching it and
something happened to my wife while like OK I can't watch it
right now. I don't remember what it was.
It was something like really badand traumatized.
Like I guess I can't watch some.I was gonna say it.
Happened while I was watching the movie.
Like in the beginning stuff you're like, hey, this is going
on, you need probably stop focusing on this movie.
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Yeah, I don't think you might. Yeah, I don't think Saw X is the
movie to watch if you're in a bad head space.
Yeah, I saw a movie for that matter.
I agree. Maybe I should stop watching it.
All right. Question #3 Matthew.
Yeah. You you dabbled in film creation
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and stuff like that. I did, yeah.
A little bit, a little bit. So you got all these characters
that that you can kind of like work with now finally call the
phrase where the where the the characters the license expires
are. You can use them like Winnie the
Pooh and. Public domain.
Yeah, all these public domain characters.
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So you, if you can make one movie based on a public domain
character, what movie would you make?
And I'm going to look up some public domain characters, give
you some ideas. OK, OK, I know Popeye just said
public domain. Correct.
He's he's very cool. I like spinach.
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You a spinach guy, Delvin? Yeah, spinach is good.
I'm a Popeye fan. Yeah, yeah, spinach is good.
I watched that Ice Cube War of the Worlds movie.
I. Heard it's awful.
It's one of the worst movies I've ever seen.
And I want to watch that. And I'm pretty sure War of the
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Worlds is public domain. And now that I've seen that
movie, I'm just kind of like, I could do this better, like War
of the Worlds, I could make a good War of the Worlds.
It's not that hard. I feel you.
Just don't do what they did. You probably can make a really
cool War of the Worlds audio drama.
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Yeah, yeah, I mean, the original, like narrated by Orson
Welles. Galvatron or not Galvatron?
Nope. Oh, Delvin, I just saw a vein
pop in your head. Unicron himself.
That radio play was what got that whole story popular.
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Yeah. What are some other public
domain stuff? OK, Felix the Cat.
Yeah, yeah. Mickey Mouse.
Like, you know, a Steamboat Mickey.
Yeah, the Steamboat Willie. Popeye, Oswald the Lucky Rabbit.
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OK, Yep. Many of the Looney Tunes and
Merry Melody's character shorts from the 30s.
Now this one. I don't know if this is true or
not. If this is true, Matthew, we
need to jump right the fuck on this.
All right, what do we got? Let me look this up, I'm going
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to make sure this is true because I don't know this AI
stuff is. Well it's probably lies then the
AI overview. Oh, it is absolutely true.
OK, what do we got? Matthew, you need to do this.
OK, what do we got? Donna?
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Make some money. The Fletcher Superman films
cartoons The Max Fletcher Superman cartoons.
Yeah. They are public domain.
Really. Yes.
How are those public domain but Superman himself isn't?
That doesn't make sense 'cause Ithink.
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So. Superman's gonna be public
domain in like 5 years or so. So in theory you can use that.
OK, let's see what it says. Although look at the arena on a
little bit more right now. Although all entries are public
domain in the United States, ancillary rights such as
merchandise and contract rights,as well as the original 35mm
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Masters elements are owned by Warner Brothers, also owned
Superman's publisher DC Comic. But you can use Max Fletcher's
and Dave Fletcher's Superman. Wow, that, that that's so hard
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to like distinguish though. Like, yeah, we're the we're the
Fleischer version of Superman. But yeah, yeah, absolutely.
And I'm, I'm just looking now. Another one, King Kong public
domain. I didn't realize looking at
this, they were running their studios.
Those things were made down herein Miami, FL.
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Really. Yeah.
That makes sense because wasn't Disney and all that based out of
Orlando? Yes.
I want to say Warner, Yeah. Warner Bros was down here too.
Yeah, or down there. I'm not in Florida.
So yeah, you can use Max Flight your Superman.
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Yeah, let's do Superman versus King Kong.
That's actually a good idea. I'm sure that's that version.
Superman's probably AI. Don't know.
I've never seen those old cartoons, so I don't know how
powerful that guy was, but. He was the fastener, speeding
bullet leap over at a single bound.
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He was pretty powerful, but I don't think he was like
unbeatable. I just see those clips once in a
while where it's like a clip of that Fleischer Superman cartoon
and it's just the post that sayslike animation never looks this
good anymore. Bring back this.
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I like that animation, but yeah,it's not it's, it's, it's
because of the aesthetic of it and the art, but it's not that
great. Yeah, I mean it's great
animation, but like to say that animation like that doesn't
exist anymore. It's is wild.
I've seen cartoons look better than that.
Yeah, I love that, that animation, but it's just, it's
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just art status. Really cool.
Yep, Yep. It's hand drawn, it flows, it's
great. Question #4 Back Who is your
favorite cartoon dog? Oh.
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Hey cartoon dog. Gosh, I like scooby-doo is in my
head. I love scooby-doo but I feel
like I'm going to say scooby-dooand forget a cartoon dog.
I like Snoopy is great. Yes, Snoopy.
Snoopy's great. Odie from Garfield is great.
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Odie's fine. I'm not a fan of Brian Griffin.
You know, he's a little smug. Griffin. 101 Dalmatians.
That's just too many. That's too many Dalmatians.
I had no. Dino Mutt.
Dino, what's he? Oh, is that the Flintstones?
So that's you. Ever heard of the cartoon show
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Blue Falcon and Dino Mutt? Oh yeah, I didn't know his name
was Dino Mutt. Yes.
Gotcha. Oh, Clifford the big red dog.
He was my favorite as a kid. Yeah, he's good.
He's pretty cool. Good dog.
Jake the dog is a good dog. Yeah, Courage is a good dog.
Dang, got a lot of good cartoon dogs.
Yeah, yeah, 10 of them. Oh, does would cat dog count
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'cause we got a cat that. The dog part of it would count.
We gotta cut, we gotta cut cat dog in.
Half gotta cut off cat. Dang, oh oh, you know I got my
answer. OK.
Doug from Up. Great cartoon dog.
And it's a great cartoon dog. Is is hilarious.
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UPS great movie. Yeah, it is underrated, like
people always talk about the first 10 minutes.
The rest of the movie is great too.
Yeah, this movie is fantastic. One of my favorite Pixar movies.
Yep, same. Absolutely.
Leading into #5 Matthew. Number.
Five Give me your top five Pixarmovie.
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Oh, oh, oh, you know, I think I've may have made this a list
on my letterbox. I'm going to double check that
real quick because I would be remiss if I left out a movie and
I was wrong. I will say, Yep, I got it all
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right. Number 50.
Man, this list might be a littleoutdated, but #5 wow, I need to
really update this list. This is kind of bad.
I'm going to, I'm going to kind of just wing it, but I have them
looking at them at least #5 We're going to put, we're going
to put up. We love Up, Doug, it's great.
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Makes me cry. Just like a Pixar movie ship #4
We're going to put Toy Story 2. I love Toy Story 2.
It's my favorite Toy Story. It's funny, it's great, it's
great. We left toys there.
Number three, I'm going to put Onward.
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I love Onward. Like that movie.
Sometimes I think about that movie and I cry.
OK. I love that OK, unpopular
opinion there. Number 2 The Incredibles.
The incredibles is incredible. You know, it's it's the fan best
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Fantastic Four movie we've ever forgotten.
OK. And #1 my favorite Pixar movie.
It has the best music, the best characters, the best heartfelt
moments, the best comedy. It's Monsters Inc.
That movie is 10 out of 10. Great, great.
It's great movie. All right.
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Let me see if I can give my top five.
Yeah, I want to know yours. The original Toy Story.
OK, great movie. Incredibles Monsters Inc.
Now this is where it gets or #4 this.
This is no, in no particular order.
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Number 4 is Soul. Yeah.
Which I love souls, an incredible movie and my number 5
is Wally. OK, Yeah, yeah, Wally's very
good. Yeah, I think Pixar, the fact
that Pixar has so many movies and a lot of them are pretty
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much specific classic, like, youknow, shoot, I even forgot like
Finding Nemo. Yeah, yeah, that one's probably
my number six. That's not a great movie and.
You know, a lot of these movies,like like a lot of the modern
ones I haven't seen. Like I haven't seen Elemental.
I haven't seen Inside Out one ortwo.
I haven't seen Ileo, I haven't seen Lightyear, I haven't seen
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Turn in Red, haven't seen Luca, I haven't seen All work.
I'm surprised you haven't seen Inside Out, that's like one of
the big ones. Yeah, I haven't seen Coco.
I've missed a lot of these movies.
Wow, Coco too. Yeah.
Yeah, I'm you know what? Inside Out is a little overrated
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in my opinion. People love that.
Those movies, I think they're pretty good.
Coco though, that gets all the praise it deserves.
That movie is fantastic. Pixar reminds me a lot of Marvel
in the sense where Pixar has allthese movies that like were like
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people Dave like classic like they couldn't miss.
And then it got to this point where the movies were just good
instead of amazing. And then people start like
shitting on Pixar like, but these movies are still really
good. I get, I get that you're like,
this isn't the same quality as Toy Story water 2 or or Cars
water and stuff like that. But like, these are still really
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good movies. Yeah, I don't, I don't really
know with Pixar, cause like, like you said, Soul came out
just a few years ago. That was incredible.
Onward was in my top five. Coco's a little older now, but
they're still pumping out bangers.
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I don't, yeah. I just don't think they get
recognized as much as they used to.
Yeah, I agree. I hear the Elio movie is very
good too. Yeah, I heard, I've heard that
as well. I don't know if it's probably
because our society has changed so much and it's become so
cynical, like people have becomelike bitter and mean.
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So when you try to bring things like happy, it makes you think
people like, oh, we don't want to hear that shit.
You know, I I don't, I'm going to sound like old man yelling at
a cloud here, but do kids care about movies anymore?
Like. I don't think they do like.
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Or is it just YouTube like Mr. Beast, you know?
I don't think they used they I don't think they do anymore like
they used. To like if I sat down with the
kid, I'm like, hey, we're going to either, we got 2 hours to
kill. We're either going to watch the
Incredibles or we're I'm going to hand you an iPad with TikTok
on it. I feel like most kids are taking
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the iPad. I don't.
Know, yeah, I think I think you're right.
I think a lot, I think what's happened is a lot of people, not
even just kids, a lot of people have been taught to have a short
pittance pad where they need content like this, this, this,
this and they can't sit down andwatch content like like we like
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like we used to watch like we used to be able to say I watched
movie for 2-3 hours, enjoy the experience.
It was something that talk aboutit and stuff like that.
People don't like to do that no more.
They like to sit down and get their dope mean fixed.
Twitter or Facebook or TikTok, that quick 5 minute video, 2
minute video, then they move on.I think kids are doing that too.
Like even like cartoon shows with cartoon shows being 30
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minutes, 15 minutes, 10 minutes.Like that's like be 5 minutes
because people don't have that intention span.
No more like the average cartoonshow is not I it used to be.
I think that's because people's intention spans getting shorter
and shorter. That's crazy.
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Like as a kid, I remember I wentthrough like phases where like I
had a like a Spider Man phase where I watched Spider Man every
day for a month and then I wouldlike watch Monsters Inc every
day for a month. And I, I just, I don't know if
that's a thing anymore. Yeah, like.
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Yeah, it. Just always has to be the next
thing, next thing, next thing. Yeah, I used to constantly watch
like cartoon shows and was excited to watch cartoon shows
and like stuff like when I was akid, Saturday morning cartoons
was like a big deal. Like we knew from 7:00 to noon
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on Saturday mornings, almost every channel had some sort of
cartoons on. And you just could go from cart,
like channel to channel, find the cartoon shows you wanted to
watch. And then it, and then like one
day it just all kind of went away.
And it kind of sucks. Like I, I missed that era of
watching TV. Like, OK, Saturday, like every
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other day of the week. We don't really have cartoons.
Maybe like a little bit after school and stuff like that.
Like 2:30 to four o'clock 5:00 when we have.
But that's Saturday morning whennobody else is really watching
TV 'cause you know, it's nothingon TV till like, you know,
college football and stuff like that at at noon.
But from 7:00 to 12:00 you're gonna get of the jam packed with
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cartoon with the Sonic the Hedgehog captain in or whatever
it may be Static Shock for that,for that generation Batman
animated series. But whatever it may be, you
would have been enjoying cartoons until 12:00.
That is your cut off time. Yep.
And that's like a we don't want to do that.
Now they just show boring TV shows.
(30:00):
Saturday TV is boring. TV is boring as heck.
What happened? Yeah, I mean, I feel like I I
had like growing up, I had Nickelodeon, Cartoon Network
like going on all the time. So I didn't have that entirely.
But I will say the four kids network was my equivalent to
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Saturday morning cartoons because that would only play on
Saturday mornings or maybe Sunday too.
I I only remember Saturday mornings, and that was the only
time I could watch Ninja Turtlesor Sonic X Are Pokémon Yu-gi-oh?
Yeah, like that was like the sacred time of like, OK, I can
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watch SpongeBob any day of the week, but this is the only day I
get to watch Yu-gi-oh, so I'm gonna be tuned in.
I remember that network. That was a pretty cool network.
Yeah, yeah. I don't know if they're still
around, but. Now I gotta look this up real
quick. Yeah, they, I know they were
also like with obviously Yu-gi-oh and stuff like that.
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They were big on like localizinganime back then.
They were like one of the big first people do it like One
Piece and stuff. That's how a lot of kids my age
got into it. Let's see four kids TV, often
stylized as 4 Kids TV. One of those box born from
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September 14th, 2002 to January 15th, 2005.
That's it. That is it.
No way. That doesn't seem real.
It was only three years. Yes, I imagine they, I imagine
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they just kept showing it over and over again.
Yeah, I guess. Wow, that's crazy.
OK, there's a whole bunch of other things to it.
They renamed the block like Tunzai Tunzai.
At one point it was Vortex but the actual 4 kids name 4 kids TV
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ended J 2008 November 2008. OK the actual name sounds.
More right, I suppose. Yeah, crazy to think about, huh?
That is wow time. Time's crazy.
All right, Matthew, you got a new project coming out.
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I want to say, let's say this week you get some of the people
that are very excited for the Mortarverse is doing it, Batman
Beyond. Yes, Sir, speaking Saturday
morning cartoons. Yes, so let everybody know what
was your thought process of making Batman Beyond a reality
in the motorverse? Because I think this is a really
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cool concept is to show that I think Batman Beyond doesn't get
enough love, is almost untapped,kind of.
Well, So what? What was your process in just
bringing this to life? I so like, kind of like we were
saying with cartoons growing up,I love Batman Beyond.
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And I just, you know, I think that whole world is interesting.
And when you get older, you kindof learn the behind the scenes
of it all and how the network wanted a teenage Batman and the
creators were like, that is the dumbest idea possible.
And then they thought about it more and they're like, OK, OK,
but if we can make it interesting, it's going to work.
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And they did. I mean, they put on the three
seasons of a great show and that.
Yeah. So as Mortal Verse has been
going, I, I get a lot of requests of shows.
As you know, Delvin, you are oneof the people who gives me a lot
of requests and Batman Beyond isone that I've gotten a lot.
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People love Batman Beyond and I don't blame them.
It's awesome. So I, I just started thinking,
because when you're adapting anything, you have to think,
what do people know? How can I make it different from
what they've seen before, but make it recognizable And like
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how, how can I make it good? How can I fit it into the mortal
verse too, 'cause I want it to be very, I want it to be my
version. This isn't, this isn't a
continuation of the show. Like, I don't want people to
listen to this and think it's Season 4 of Batman Beyond 'cause
it's not bad. Like if you get the general gist
of what Batman Beyond is, Terry McGinnis being trained by Batman
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to or buy a Bruce Wayne to take up the role of Batman, you're
gonna have the foundation to getinto Batman Beyond, the audio
drama, but that's it. Don't think like he's gonna
fight Blight and Ink and Shriek in every episode because that's,
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that's not what we're doing. If you look at the art, we have
Punchline, which a lot of peoplewere like, what the Hell's
Punchline doing here? Because that's a, a modern day
Batman character. And like I said, we're doing
something different with the, itis a completely original script
and idea by me. And yeah, yeah, I'm, I'm super
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excited for people to listen to Batman Beyond and I'm nervous.
It's probably one of the most nervous I've been for a project,
but I I think it'll go. I'm super excited for the
hearing that you know, it's not every day that you get to bring
something that I know you did itwith the mortal verse, but this
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is more to your will as in termsof your era, like Batman Beyond
came out a little bit more closer to your era, became a
popular character and stuff likethat.
So a lot of people have a emotional attachment to the
character of Batman, Beyoncé of Terry McGinnis, 10.
I think it's really cool that you get to do this and kind of
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put your spin on it, because themortar verse characters are
amazing. You know, you got to Nightwave,
you got your Chester League Mortal.
But the template was there for those characters already as well
too, though. So that helped a lot with Batman
Beyond. There's a template there, but
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there's still a lot you can do with the character that hasn't
been touched yet. Like, you know, even like, you
know, with Terry McGinnis being a older Batman and things like
that, we can get a little bit ofthat.
Well, we haven't gotten enough. Yeah.
You know, we haven't really got enough, like teenage Terry
McGinnis for that matter. So it's it's it's wild for you
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to kind of explore. So let's let's hear about you
talk about that a little bit. Well, something something so
interesting about the cartoon was that he, Terry McGinnis
grew, which you didn't see a lotin cartoons.
Like growing up, you could only catch a random episode of Batman
Beyond here and there. Like you didn't have Netflix
where you could binge the whole series.
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Like you never got the story in order, at least from my
perspective. And but now watching it, you
start on season 1, you can watchany episode on season 1 and then
you watch any episode on season 2.
Terry is a different character. He has grown.
He is more, he's better at beingBatman.
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And that's something I is reallyimportant to me that I want to
capture in this show. I mean, right now it's just a
special. This is a 1 episode kind of
pilot we're putting out there. People like it will do more, but
that's something that's really important to me that I want to
show Terry's growth. And that's some we're kind of
kind of, we're kicking off Terryinto a journey.
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I'm not going to say too much because it kind of spoils it.
But by the end of the Batman Beyond show, you're going to see
that Terry is going to have to either flight, what is it, fight
or flight, whatever he's going to, he's going to have to do
something, you know, about his situation.
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So, yeah, And I just think that that's so interesting that one
of the cartoon shows growing up had a character actually grow
and learn and do better and be more accomplished.
And then when you get to the epilogue episode Justice League,
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where Terry is fully grown and he is the leader of the Justice
League, it's like, wow, like youactually see this kid go on
quite a journey. And that's something I want to
capture with this. And then also bringing in
elements of other mortal verse shows.
Like I if you haven't listened to Justice League mortal, I
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don't think you can listen to Batman Beyond.
It's it, it, gosh, I feel crazy because nobody knows what I'm
talking about right now as I'm recording it, But everyone's
going to be like, yeah, he's right.
When I, when the releases and people listen to it.
Because if you don't know what happens in mortal guys like I, I
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bring stuff back. Like I, I bring, yes, like
continuity is important to me. And I don't want these things to
feel like the Marvel problem right now where nothing feels
connected. Everything feels disjointed.
We've haven't seen Shang Chi since 2021 and he's never
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talking. He's never talked to anyone.
But like, yeah. This is that's why it was so
important to me in Titans to like have a Justice League
episode in there. And in Batman Beyond, like we're
going to hear in the trailer, you already hear like mention of
Dick Grayson, Jason Todd, DamienWayne even, and characters are
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going to be brought up again andwe'll learn more about where,
where Barbara Gordon, what her journey has been.
The last, gosh, I try not to puta date on it cause Batman Beyond
dates are hard 'cause you know, is every episode you watch in
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that show, they'll change how many years it's been.
Bruce has been like, I met Mr. Freeze 20 years ago and the next
episode would be like, well, I fought him 40 years ago.
It's like Bruce Dementia's speaking in buddy.
That's what happens when you dress up as a bat and punch
criminals for your entire mid, mid 30s.
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Yeah, yeah. That's just something that's
always tickled me. Think about Batman and Beyond
and I'm I'm just excited. I'm so excited.
I'm very excited for people to get into this.
I'm very excited for people to hear your story and your take on
on Batman. So let let me ask this, what was
casting like that like for doingthis show and how was it
(41:32):
different as opposed to the shows you've done before?
Why don't you learn from it? Yeah, I never asked that.
Why don't you learn from casting'cause you casted multiple shows
now At this point you learned from like before or from casting
Mortal to now? What have been a different case
you've been doing? First of all, shout out to
(41:53):
Crystal Storm and everyone who told me don't just tell people
to DM you on Twitter if they want to audition 'cause we did
that for Nightwing year 1 and I think Arrow Canary and I just,
my Twitter literally crashed from DNS.
(42:14):
So Google Forms is your friend, everyone.
If you're casting for these things, it's so nice, so nice.
Love you Google Forms. But Batman Beyond was
interesting because as you know,Delvin, I think I've talked
about before, I never hire impressionists.
I don't like. I don't like when people come in
(42:36):
the booth and just do a Kevin Conroy impression 'cause that's,
that's his Batman. You know, I want a different
take. And that's why I think Grace
Decanus, for example, just he orhe.
I'll talk about you, Delvin. Yeah, I'm on your show.
You don't do a Phil Lamar impression.
Your Jon Stewart is the Delvin Cox Jon Stewart, and that's what
(42:59):
I think makes him great. You bring your own, take your
own delivery. You put your own spin on what
you think Jon Stewart would be. And that's what I love.
I want to hear what your versionof that sounds and if it
connects with me, if it resonates with me, that's what
(43:20):
I'm going to pick. So Batman Beyond.
I will say this, but we'll move over that hearing race.
The Candace's voice in this as older Bruce Wayne fits so well
with this universe. Yes.
And it makes me excited to hear him play this role.
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And I'm excited to hear where itgoes like, oh, this, this
somehow fits almost better than it did in the mortal verse,
honestly. Speak like, oh, it plays this to
the team. It feels right.
This is how Batman would sound. And this, Yeah, I dig it.
I was talking to Ray about that,about 'cause his Bruce Wayne
(44:08):
deliveries on old shows, he always had a a very different
voice for when I put it as a Batman line as opposed to a
Bruce Wayne line, because Bruce Wayne was very like, almost
flamboyant of like, oh, yeah, Silver, like my birthday party
that's going on. Yeah.
But his Bruce Wayne now in Batman Beyond from the trailer,
(44:32):
it's kind of merged with his Batman voice in this beautiful
way that I love of like, you can't really tell who this is
anymore, who this guy is. He's become so absorbed with
Batman that his voice has becomeindistinguishable.
You can't tell if he's putting on the Bruce Wayne or the
Batman. And I I just think that was an
(44:56):
incredible choice by him. And the the impressions of or
not the impression. The casting of this was
interesting because Will Friedelas Terry McGinnis is so iconic.
And. Yeah, I don't think we got a ton
of people just trying to do WillFriedel, but we did get Oscar
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Stavemeyer, who we casted as Terry McGuinness, and he just
puts this kind of, he puts his grit in his Terry, like he
always sounds like he's got his teeth pressed together as high
as he can. Like, he's got that hardcore
kind of Batman vibe. But then when he's doing Terry,
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like his scenes with his mom, hesounds very vulnerable.
Like he is this teenager who is doing everything to find
guidance. But he's putting his trust in
Bruce Wayne, who is not not the person you wanna send your kids
to learn from. And he's had a troubled past
(46:01):
with juvenile delinquency. So it's it's just he just put in
such stellar performance and that and then Punchline has is a
pretty like a well known character in comic for comic
fans, but she's never had a voice before.
(46:21):
She's never been in a cartoon orin a movie or anything.
So it wasn't like when I casted Harley Quinn.
Everyone does the Harley Quinn voice.
Like you know, Harley Quinn justhas a voice.
Punchline was so interesting because no one knew what to do.
And I love that for casting because I got to hear the
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genuine takes of what this is. And Lana Rose, who we casted is
fantastic. She played shimmer in Titan's
Rise, one of the fearsome 5 members, and here she puts on.
She almost sounds like a a crazed game show host, if that
(47:05):
makes any sense. Like it's all the game, it's all
fun and she's putting on this almost.
I mean, I it's hard to compare anyone to Heath Ledger, but like
the way she the way her character acts is very inspired.
The way I wrote her was a lot inspired by Heath Ledger's
(47:25):
Joker. But yeah.
And then otherwise, man, who else we cast in this?
Those were kind of the big, the big two.
Obviously they're on the poster,But Mary McGinnis, we had
Janisha, who's been in our showsbefore, she's great.
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Obviously, we got Ray back and we cast a Mr. Fix.
And I think as we go on, if we do continue to do Batman Beyond,
if this performs well, then I think we are going to see more
familiar villains. Like I, I want to do a a Blight
episode so bad. Like he's one of the coolest.
Yes, he. Is designs in that show?
(48:08):
The Royal Flush Gang is a blast.Ink is, of course, awesome.
She's going to be hard to do in audio form because that
character is so visual, but that's going to be dope.
What's the one of the things that I love about the Batman
Beyond franchise series in itself, the villains are very
different than the Batman Rose Gallery.
(48:31):
Yes. Like with the exception of like,
you know, the Joker when they brought him back, but you know,
everything was very different. Like even the whole idea, like,
OK, the Joker's gone. Here's this gang that idolized
the Joker. That's who really got them.
But they're not really like the Joker at all.
(48:52):
They kind of any like like remotely vague.
They're just. Punks, they just.
Punk kids who are just doing shit be doing shit like, 'cause
then they thought the Joker was cool.
And I think that's a really coolway to do that, to bring back
the Joker's account. And in this show, like the
Joker's gang is a thing and no one takes them seriously.
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Like there's a little news segment where they're, gosh, I'm
not going to say too much. Like the Joker's gang is doing
stuff and they're just like, anyways on to the weather 'cause
they're just a bunch of punk kids and and then Punchline
comes along and kicks them into gear and makes them an actual
threat. But yeah, the Batman Beyond, it
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would have been so easy for those writers to just be like,
OK, where is Bane now? Let's do an episode of Terry
fighting an 80 year old Bane andan episode of him fighting a 70
year old Poison Ivy and da da dada.
Da. They didn't do that.
They use the old character so sparingly.
Like there is a Roz al Ghul episode and there is a Mr.
(49:57):
Freeze episode, but that's kind of it in the Joker movie, of
course. But like, yeah, they and a lot
of them are like Silver age Batman characters that no one
knows, no one cares about 'causethey're from like 1 comic in the
70s. But they like future eyes them.
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I think the the Royal Flush gamegang for example, was like a 70s
Batman villain that was just a one off thing.
But the writer grew up on 70s Batman comics had that weird how
I love Cauldron randomly from 90s Superman comics.
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They had that weird thing for Royal Flush game.
It was like, we're putting this in Terry's world, like, and
that's just awesome how they canbring stuff in from the past,
modernize it. Not only modernize it, but
futurize it and make them this high tech gang of playing card
themed villains. Yeah, I think that's one of the
(50:59):
most unique things about Batman Beyond is the villain.
And they also they don't get a ton of love.
No, not really. No and.
They're they're we evoke that gallery.
Yeah, yeah, he does. He does all.
Right. Let me ask you this.
So this is kind of like a one shot type deal, right?
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Yeah, for now, I'm kind of considering it a pilot.
Yes, a pilot. Let's let's call it a pilot,
Yeah. So this pilot goes well you want
to do how many more episodes youthink you would do if everything
goes well with this? Oh.
That's a good question though. That has a good question.
I I could almost see it being like, not a season, but like
(51:46):
every few months between big projects we get a Batman Beyond.
OK. Like, because we, after Batman
Beyond, we're doing Justice League Dark, and then maybe
between Dark and whatever the next big project is, we do
Batman Beyond too. OK.
And I know you've been casting for just the League Dark and
(52:07):
that process, so how is that going along while you're working
on Batman Beyond? And when Batman Beyond's out
now, what has the project process been like working on
Just Leave Dark? Just like Dark, Yeah, we have
about 99% of the voice work donefor Dark.
I'm editing episode 1 currently.Knock.
(52:29):
I don't even know if I should say this.
I'm just gonna put out on the universe, so I kick my butt into
gear to do it. Knock on wood.
I'm hoping to release episode 1 on Halloween 'cause I think
that'd be awesome. This, this show is very gritty.
It's dark. I'd say it's probably gonna be
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our first. Well, I'd consider a rated R
project it I wouldn't have your kids listen to Justice League
dark it. It's not like you know, you
know, it's not rated X. You know, you don't have to make
sure your wife and kids are asleep before you listen.
But it's it's got dark violence,bad things happen to characters.
(53:13):
It's demonic. Like we go full out.
We got John Constantine doing his thing.
Yeah, and I think this could work out perfectly because I'm
looking at the calendar right now.
Halloween is on a Friday. Oh perfect.
We do a little spooky justice. League Dark premiere on
Halloween night. No one's gonna show up, but
(53:35):
it'll be fun. I think people show up.
That'll be a really cool kind ofthing to do.
Yeah, and we did A House of Mystery last Halloween, the
swamps thing, Swamps thing, special.
And that turned out really well.People didn't, I mean, numbers
didn't show up for it, but I loved it.
That's probably the thing I'm most proud of that I've ever
(53:57):
edited. I think that show sounds
fantastic. Yeah, it's, it's awesome.
I, I, I think that that's one ofthose things that I like the
fact that you're willing to takerisks with things, DC property
that people don't know as well, like House of Mystery and you
know how you like Justin League Dark for that matter, because I
(54:23):
was speaking 1, you can put yourown tape to it.
And two, that's how people get to load these characters.
Yes. That was.
A conversation I had with a a Coworker of mine who listened to
the, he listened to all the shows.
He listened Titan's rise though.And he loved Trigon in that
(54:45):
show. And he got so mad 'cause he's
like why? Why haven't I seen Trigon in a
movie? Where is this guy?
And I'm like, because DC only knows how to make Batman and
Superman move, so you're not gonna ever see Trigon.
And like all these characters, he's like, I love Raven in this.
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Why don't we ever see Raven in live action?
And I'm like, because she's not related to Batman or Superman,
so you're not going to see Raven.
So it's just, that's something that's very important to me is
like exposing people to like Batman Beyond.
You know, you said it's very of my era.
Batman Beyond was a show that was on while I was growing up,
(55:29):
and people younger than me or older than me that were out of
cartoons at the time or weren't alive yet, don't know.
And you know, DC hasn't really done anything with Batman
Beyond. So that's something I really is
important to me, that I want to get people to know these
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characters and love them the wayI do.
I agree. Dope.
All right. Any last thoughts before we go,
Matthew? I do have one last thought,
Delvin. I always try to bring a surprise
for you, OK? And I always try to bring a
promo or a teaser or something. And I didn't have anything and I
(56:13):
felt so bad. But Delvin, I did want to do
something for you. OK.
And I wanted to announce the next project on your show.
Is that OK? That is dope.
Yes, absolutely. And, and you are the first
person that will hear about thisand the show will well, yeah,
(56:33):
yeah, yeah. Next show we're doing after
Batman Beyond of course, and after Justice League Dark we're
doing another special A1 off andit's going to be Cyborg.
Let's go. That's awesome.
Yes, we're doing a Cyborg special.
It's going to be, it's going to be great.
It's I love it. I love it.
(56:55):
Currently in the finishing up the script phase and then
hopefully we'll get auditions open soon.
People ask me everyday when are we going to be able to audition
and the answer is finally very soon.
So we're we're going to get a Cyborg special because he was
just like I fell in love with that character through writing
(57:17):
Titans in a way that I never did.
And he just like he stole my heart.
And then after Titans was done, IAI been like, I want to write
Titans season 2 but I got a lot going on right now.
So we're going to settle my little Titans love and do a
Cyborg special, and that is where we are going next.
(57:42):
That's awesome. So you've heard it here, folks,
just leave dark and a little bitfurther down you got a Cyborg
special to look forward to That is amazing It's.
Going to be great. I'm very excited.
I am too. So Matthew, if someone were to
be a part of the Mortal 1st, andthere's so many ways to do it
(58:04):
through Patreon, including following on Twitter and all the
social media accounts, how wouldthey find?
Yeah, just look up Mortal Verse on Twitter.
We're there. We have a Facebook group, we
have a Discord server that's actually very active.
We've done some movie nights. It's fun.
It's a great community. Patreon, of course, if you like
(58:26):
getting stuff early, you like getting a little behind the
scenes stuff. If you like bloopers of Delvin
singing, I'll likely put those up next time I get lines from
Delvin because he always leaves me very nice songs and behind
the scenes content. Yeah, Patreon's a place to be,
man. It's it's a great place.
Delvin's a patron. He's he's a loving member of the
(58:48):
community. That's correct.
I, I think about it sometimes where I'm like, I pay for
Delvin's Patreon, he pays for mine and we're paying the same
amount. Are we just cancelling each
other out and then Patreon is just getting money from both of
us because they take a little chunk of change?
Correct. But I'm like, but listening to
(59:10):
Delvin episodes early is worth it, and the D&D podcast is worth
it. This is a.
Shameless plug for Delvin's Patreon on his show.
I appreciate that. Yeah.
Yeah. It's kind of fun, you know?
Delvin Julia is talking to him every week on the DND podcast,
especially the episode we put out recently about us going to a
weekend concert. I'm not listening that.
(59:31):
I'm listening to your Superman review right now.
Yes, it's his first concert everand he went to go see the
weekend. Nice, that's a good one.
I I think so. Also Playboy Carter was there.
Nice. Yeah, it's a blast.
(59:52):
So definitely check out the motor verse.
Check out this Patreon chip in if you got ducks for it, you got
DND podcast if you get a chance.All right, Matthew, we are out.
And as always, Delver Cox experience, we are out.
Peace.
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