"I Survived the Shutdown and All I got was this Episode" Featuring Jasen Dutch

Delvin and Jasen engaged in a detailed discussion about the recent government shutdown, political system frustrations, and economic conditions during and before Trump's presidency. They explored various economic impacts including tariffs, property taxes, and rising costs of living, while also discussing the Democratic Party's challenges in effectively communicating their message and connecting with working-class voters.

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Thank you. Welcome to the Delvin Cox

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Experience, the podcast which each week I'm on a one man
mission to United Coast to diversity.
I'm your host, Delvin Coxon withme on the podcast as always,
it's the political analyst for the Delvin Cox Experience, my
boy Jason Dutch. How you doing bro?
What's up man? Good to talk to you again.
Well, thanks for having me back on.
It's always good having you on back over, man, Always good when

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you come. A lot of people like you, man.
A lot of people like when you talk political politics and
stuff like that. It's almost like we had a had a
show or something like that was very popular about politics and
you just stop doing it. People are easy to please.
Oh yeah? Well, some women, that's a whole
other story. Or they have very low
expectations, like, you know, one or two.

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That is also there's also that. So I guess you know, we don't do
the 55 with you because you failthem every time.
So let's just get right to it. If you're listening to this
episode right now or we we we usually don't time time these
things, but it's going to come out this week anyway.
So might as well as of November 9th, the shutdown is look like

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it's going to be over. I know, I know Dutch is just
hearing about this. A lot of people just hearing
about this right now. So I'll just read what political
says about it and we'll go from there.
So Dutch can hear because Dutch doesn't know the terms of the
shutdown agreement or nothing like that, so.
I'm sure they're going to be hugely helpful to the working

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man. Yes, surprisingly, I'm sure
it's. Going to be a profound change.
So senators have reached a deal to end the government shutdown.
This from political by the way, you can check this out if you
want to go on Politico. It's just the broad framework
for the agreement, which was negotiating parts by Senator

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Angus King, Jeanine Shaheen and Maggie Hassan as well as GOP
senators has more than enough members of of the Senate cut
Democratic caucus to advance. According to two people who
granted an an enemy to disclose those terms, the deal set to be
one of the people was broken between the Democratic

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negotiators and the Senate Majority Leader, John Tune and
the White House. Members of the Appropriation of
Committee were also closely involved and helped negotiate
the terms. Now this is the point you want
to hear about because I want just I want Dutch to give us
opinion on all this stuff once Ifinish reading it.

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As part of the deal, Democratic negotiators negotiators agreed
to ensure at least eight membersfrom their caucus would vote yes
on procedural motions to advancethe government funding package
that would provide certainty forthat 60 vote Procedural

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threshold is consistently met upto the final passage where only
a simple majority is required. The Senate is poised to to vote
later Sunday night, which is tonight to advance the House
pass stop gap Gap, which will later become the vehicle for a
larger funding deal. It still needs to pass the House

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for the government can be reopened.
OK, so so far we're clear on allthat, right, Dutch?
OK, can't let me read that. Nobody cares about that.
The Sunday vote will pave the way for consideration later this
week of a legislative package that would fund the Department

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of Agriculture and the FDA, the Department of Veteran Affairs
and military construction projects, and the operations of
Congress for the full fiscal year, the product of months of
bipartisan negotiations. We don't care about that part
moving down. All other agencies will be

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funded through January 30th, according to a text of
continuing resolution released Sunday as part of the Democrats
agreement to end the shutdown. Through is promising Senate
Democrats a vote in mid-decemberto extend Affordable Healthcare
Act subsidies that are due to expire at the end of the year

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without congressional action. Democrats will also get
determined what extension bill receives that vote.
So that's one thing to get. Say that one more time.
OK, I'll read that part again. As part of the Democrats
agreement to end the shutdown, Thune is promising Senate
Democrats a vote in mid-decemberto extend the Affordable Care

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Act subsidies that are due to expire at the end of the year
without congressional action. OK, you said Dune.
Who's Dune? Tune, tune.
You mean Senate Leader John Thune?
Thune yes. OK, I I thought you said Dune.
I was like the movie. No, I said, due to expire at the
end of the year. OK, I got you.

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He's from like North Dakota, or.Something.
Yeah, nobody cares about him. Yeah.
Democrats will also get to determine what extension bill
receives the vote. OK.
That's the first thing that's supposedly getting.
They're getting to vote. OK.
So as you can see, I'm not doingabout this.
The government opening agreementguarantees that federal

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employees laid off during the shutdown are rehired and given
federal employees back pay, which is good.
It also requires agency to give written notice to Congress about
withdrawal of the so-called reduction in force notices
issued during the funding lapse,plus provide the amount of back
pay owed. So that's good.

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We'll keep going. It would as well prevent some
future firings with a blanket ofprohibition of reduction
workforce in any department or agency till at least the end
date of the continued resolution.
January 30th, 2026. OK.
So it's temporary, That's normal.

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Yes, let's see if there's anything else.
Our our politics are so dumb. They really are.
Like why? Why do we have to vote on
funding the government and the debts all the time?
It is dumb. It is really dumb.
We're going to get to that. I'm looking to see that we're

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the. Only the debt ceiling is even
Dumber. We're the only country in the
world that meaningfully does it.I think Denmark does it, but
like, it's like 45 times as muchas they ever spent, so they'll
never get there. Like it, it's all it is, is a
way for them to drag their feet.Yeah.
It's it. It's so stupid.

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Our politics are so abominably dumb.
Yes, OK, I have some statements from people.
Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer, who took heat from the
progressive base for leading hisparty and shoring up votes to
prevent a government shutdown back in March, told reporters

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that he would oppose the deal Sunday night.
OK. So he's probably, what's
probably going to happen there is he's going to have, he's
going to save face and vote, vote no.
Even though he knows that it's going to go through.
While the Gang of 8 all votes yes.
Yes, correct. Shocker.

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Yes. Also, Oh my God, really Like So
you're basically telling me it'sthe same thing they always do?
Yes, and as you can tell I'm notreading these bullshit quotes
because they all say I'm voting no, I'm voting no, I'm voting
no. But we already have the secured
votes already, so it doesn't matter if they vote no or not.
Yeah. So what's your initial thoughts?

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I'm glad people are going to getpaid.
This was stupid to begin with. Democrats don't give a shit
about your health care. Correct.
They were pot. It was political posturing by
the Democrats to try to look strong because they know that
their jobs are they should be done.
As I've been saying for a long time.
And as the New York mayoral racehas shown, you guys are cooked.

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They're trying to uncook themselves and most specifically
anyone in the Pelosi camp. Hakeem Jeffries most notably,
and Schumer, Cortez from Nevada,Dick Durbin from Illinois, all
these guys who are like basically Republicans that are,

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you know, they're pro-choice Republicans.
Let's be it like that's what they are.
You know, they're Schumer still has refused as at least as far
as I've seen, to say anything whatsoever about the New York
mayoral race. They Hakeem Jeffries like half
heartedly endorsed him on the last day.

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They're they're So why am I mentioning that right now?
Because we're going to talk about that in a minute.
But it's all the same conversation.
They know that they lost to Trump two out of three and
they're and they, they know thatthey're, that the, the base, the
Democratic base is the progressive base is had it up to

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here with their incredible, astonishing weakness.
And they're they're if you thinkfor one second the Democratic
senators actually cared about your health care, you're high.
You, you are genuinely high and not the good kind of high like

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it's they, they, they never it'sposturing.
We all knew that they would fold.
Nothing is going to happen. Yes, they pushed off a vote.
That's fine. But you know what, here's the
thing, Republicans don't care about it either.
We can tell by their by their rhetoric about them saying that,

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you know, oh, it's for illegals,etcetera, which we all know is,
is not true. But like they're if, if, if it
behooved Democrats to remove theObamacare subsidies, they would
do it. Yeah.

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They would do it in a heartbeat.They would sell you down the
river in a heartbeat. They don't.
Am I supposed to buy the narrative that Chuck Schumer is
a bleeding has a bleeding heart that cares about people on SNAP
benefits? Since when all of a sudden in
the last three weeks you become a bleeding heart?
OK, I've got 40 years of you notgiving a damn to do anything to

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change the system that requires 42 million people to be on food
stamps. And and that's like you, you
hear this a lot. Oh, why is there 42 million
people on food stamps? That must mostly be fraud.
Of course, that's what they're trying.
We're talking about conservatives.
The the underlying issue is why do we continue to smoke the pole

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of a system that requires 42 million people to be on snap?
We should. We shouldn't.
We're the richest country in theworld.
We're the home of NVIDIA, who had just got a $5 trillion
market valuation, which is more than the GDP of Germany.

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And we don't tax them. I mean, we do, but like we
basically don't they don't pay anywhere near.
I mean, obviously we're not you're not going to pay taxes on
your total valuation, but you get the point.
Like like there, there's this this entire system is so jacked
up where you know, and I'm not an Andrew Yang guy.

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I wanted to be, but he went intocrazy town.
But the, but like they, we can'teven pass a simple thing that
people like, like universal basic income, you know, and, and
they're crying about 42 million people being on food stamps or
SNAP, whatever you want to call it.
It's shitty food that we to begin with and #2 we shouldn't

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have that many people on it. We're the richest country in the
world. I agree.
We throw away more food than most countries eat.
We have the resources to end hunger.
We choose not to because it is more profitable to sell access
to those who can afford it than it is to feed hungry people.

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And then people wonder, well, why isn't the US as product
productive as it could be? Maybe because they're all
hungry. You know, this is this is basic
geopolitics. And they don't.
And so no, I have no surprise whatsoever that they're that
they should. So I I have mixed thoughts on

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this. Well, I have a lot.
Of you shouldn't we? Our government shouldn't get
shut down to begin with. That's correct.
But they're they're, they're notusing it in a way where they're
going to actually evoke any meaningful change.
And that's my problem with this whole thing.

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My whole thing is this, we've been saying it all year long.
Democrats really don't have any power.
They don't have any power. Let's call a spade a spade.
They don't have the House, they don't have the Senate, They
don't have any power to make anychanges.
This is the one point when they they actually could make a
change like the longer the shutdown goes on it as as much

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this sucks for the people who are going through the hard times
of it. It looks bad on Republicans like
you at this point. At this point, Democrats, if you
look at all polling, Democrats have nothing to lose like
they're they're polling lower than Trump at this point you
have. Isn't that astonishing?

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Yes, it's baffling. And when you have nothing to
lose, you need to stand on something.
Yeah. And hold on, let me stop you for
a second there. OK, real quick, who's somebody
who's been in a election lately who's got like 80% approval?
That's a good question the. Mandani.

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Yeah. Why is he have such a feverish
base? Because they want change and
he's, they want change and he's saved the simplest of things,
hey? The, the, the Democratic Party
has. So we all know the Republican
Party has shifted to the right. Yes, the Overton window has

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shifted to the right a lot. Democrats, they're going to call
you woke communists one way or the other.
Yes. So just be a woke communist.
Be what the people are asking for.
Yeah, like they're it's honestlyonce you.

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You mute it. Look, are we a Republican
country? Would you characterize our
country as Republican? Now, yeah, well, I wouldn't
characterize. I would characterize it now.
It's probably like fascist it. Well, the government I'm talking
about like the country, just people like, are people

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Republican like? I don't think, I don't think
people are Republican, by the way.
My point is this, just because you elect A socialist does not
make that country or that city asocialist city.
Correct. Yeah, I don't think the
government. No different than if, like if
you were to ask a if you were toask a Trump supporter during the
Biden administration if he thought America was a

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Democratic, a Democrat country, they would tell you absolutely
no. Correct.
It would say most Americans wantwhatever insert conservative
silo policy point here. So they agree with this
statement. They're never going to be like,
oh, well, they'll they'll, you know, talk about the silent
majority, etcetera. So just just because we would

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elect a social if we elected Bernie, that doesn't make us a
socialist country? No.
It just means that you have a socialist that is in charge of
an overtly capitalist society and might implement a a a change
here or there that would you know that is going to get
watered down by your super rightwing Senate and house anyway,

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yes, you know, like it's why arethey afraid of this leadership?
The rest of the world does it. European, it's fine.
They are afraid of this leadership because it it's
signals change. Yeah, and they don't want
change. That's why you have, that's why
you have a bunch of like 80 yearolds in the Senate.

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Yes, and the Democrats are working like, oh, eventually
people will turn on Trump and everything back to normal.
But the problem is it has been back to normal.
And they're not going to turn onTrump.
Yes, he that, that guy. I despise that guy.
But I'm going to give him a couple of kudos.

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Not kudos, but credit. He is like you're talking about
a guy and I think I mentioned this on the show and I I don't
know if it's skill or luck, probably both.
He just comes with plot armor. Yeah.
Like, like it. It's dumb plot armor.
Like he just happened to get shot at.

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At the right and. Stand up right in front of a
flag like plot armor. You know, like, like you.
You could not have scripted thatmoment.
I feel better. I'll give you 1 better every
time this year is people had started to turn on Trump,

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something drastic happened to make them go back in line.
Like even earlier this year, noteven that long ago when people
want his number was getting worse is worse than stuff like
that. All of a sudden, Charlie Kirk
gets murdered. Yeah, and then people right in
the middle of the real conversation, Charlie Kirk gets
murdered and, you know, and and and and like it, it's.

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And the thing I just. Said Soul.
In the guys did. You see him on the, so he was
on. He was in the studio for the
Washington Commanders game today, you know that.
Yeah, he did like play by play. You want to talk about the whole
thing of him saying that he wants to stadium named after
him. I didn't hear that line but I

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heard people commenting on it because I was watching on red
zone. I think he said it before that
then. I was watching on Red Zone, so
like they were skipping back andforth to it, but like it was
first of all hilarious because like Jakori Krosky Merritt gets
a carry and then Debo Samuel scores a touchdown.
And this isn't like the worst possible thing, but it was
funny. He's like, oh, who's that?

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He he has no clue who any of these guys are.
Not the slightest idea of these black guys running around with a
ball what their names are, you know, like he just says, Oh,
that guy, he's he's like, oh, the one rookie, he's good.
The other rookie he is, he's annoying these players names.
But the but then the the two announcers are they're like,

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well, tell us about like, where are we at as a country?
I was told during Kaepernick that people did not want their
politics during the sports. I was told to keep politics out
of sports numerous times. Oh, you want to have that
conversation now? And.
Now all of a sudden politics is talk about it during sports and

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there's he goes in and he's talking blah, blah, blah.
You know, we're going to do this.
That's that. He's like, grocery prices are
the lowest they've been in a million years and the stock
market is so wonderful and we'redoing fantastic.
And the and you know what the announcers doing like, Oh yeah,
yeah, absolute fucking lutely. They're like nodding away, You

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know, it's like, and I'm like, this is grotesque, dude.
I'm glad you brought this up, Dutch, because this is something
I've been talking about all year.
The idea, love. What I've been saying is the
idea of all these companies publicly bending the knee to
Trump and changing the rules as we go.
And what I mean by that is give a perfect example, WB, we know

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WBS like pro Republican. It's been like that.
Oh yeah, huge. For for all the longs of time.
Yeah, Linda. McMahon ran for what mayor of
New York is a Republican like 20years ago?
Yeah, she's part of Trump's cabinet.
Yeah. But their whole thing for the
longest time was the company. WB is apolitical.

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That's always been the thing they've always said.
And for the most part, they've kind of stayed that way in terms
of the company itself. They never like really dealt.
They had Donald Trump at a what?At what?
But that was before he became presidential candidate.
They had him at a WrestleMania and stuff like that.
They've done things about like George Bush, they've done things
with Obama, such and such, such and such, but they've pretty

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much been apolitical these last two years since this this last
year since Trump been in office.You start getting the
conversations of, oh, this wrestler supports Donald Trump.
Then you start, yeah, like, you know, their biggest star, right?
Like right around WrestleMania season done did this big GQ

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article. He's like, he's kind of saying,
oh, you know, Trump's not that bad of a guy.
He's very smart. Then you start seeing the things
where Triple H, who now runs WB right now because you know,
Bench Man's no longer a part of the company anymore.
He starts. Yeah.
He's no longer. He has a He has a huge sex
scandal, Dutch. Oh yeah, I don't.
I haven't watched wrestling since the.

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NWO he actually has a huge sex scandal.
It's not fake and. Shocker.
So Triple H is now in charge of WB.
It's owned by TKO, by the way. Did you know that?
I don't know what that is. I'm guessing that's MMA.
That's Endeavour. The same company that owns UFC
now owns WB. OK.

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So I know, do you know anything about the Endeavour thing, what
they're doing with Trump and stuff like that, how Trump's
showing up in the UFC events andall that type of stuff?
I know that UFC is very hyper masculine and therefore thus
very conservative that. Trump has showed up in the UFC
events and stuff like that this year.
He's been to like, I think one or two UFC events.

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They're planning to do AUFC event on the White House lawn.
Did you know about that? Nope.
Yeah, next year I think. Yeah, great.
Next year, they have an UFC event on the White House.
So the White House has gone frombeing a car dealership to a
sports arena within the course of a year, correct?

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It's awesome. And, and, and all in this year
and also Trump has like gotten certain sports athletes and
stuff to like champion his educational thing.
And Triple H was one of those guys.
And as of late, WB has been veryconservative.
Like they've had like they on onthe shows, like WB Raw, there's

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their flagship show. They've had like conservative
comedians on there doing things.They've had like all the guys
that you see like conservatives on there.
Hulk Hogan came on there twice before he died, got booed out in
the arena. They're like it.
It's because what's happening isW is becoming so conservative.
The fans are like kind of turning against not the show,

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but the fact that they keep trying to stuff these
conservatives down their throat.And it's just so weird to see
that for years. And we've heard with the
Kaepernick, Kaepernick thing, keep sports, keep pulling the
politics out of sports. And now you start to see people
like wearing their MAGA hats andfootball games.
And you have Trump talking at the Commander's game, Trump

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talking about the stadium being named after him and stuff like
that. And now those people have kind
of gotten quiet. Because the rules never apply to
the Republican Party. And, and that is been my problem
this whole year about every conversation that's been had
where we, not you, but in general, it's been a thing where

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Republicans are held to a higherstandard of their bullshit and
Democrats, and don't get me wrong, Democrats have sucked
this year. They have not given you no
reason to vote for them at all. But that doesn't that doesn't
like dismiss the fact that Republicans have been doing a
terrible job as well. This economy is in this shit

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condition because of Republicans.
Yeah, well, I mean, they're, they're not, they're not making
it any better. It's I'm not going to sit there
and blame them for everything. You know, the economy is, I will
is, is is. Well, I mean, we can talk about
that, but like they're, they're certainly.

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You want me to elaborate on why?There's there's.
They're certainly putting extra water into an already sinking
boat. There's no agreement.
About that, but I say that because frankly speaking, that's
how it usually work from the president.
When you're the president of theUnited States and your economy
is bad, people don't give a fuckwhat everybody.

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Else. Oh, I see what you're saying.
They look at the president. Yeah, I, yeah.
And I, I agree with that. Like they, they, they, you know,
I was told by Dynamics ruined America.
And now I'm told that and, and, and that by Dynamics ruined

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America, like as of like January22nd of 2021 that things are
already going bad, you know, twodays after it was inaugurated.
And now I'm hearing about just give Trump some time.
He's playing 7D chess. Yes.

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You know so. Bring this up because during
Trump's first reign, when the economy was doing pretty decent,
he took all the credit for the economy doing doing good.
Yeah, which he, which he had absolutely zero to do with,
Correct. So the Fed, the Fed was in a
quantitative easing period. Inflation was remarkably low

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before Trump came into office. In fact, we had negative
inflation during the Obama administration in one year.
I don't remember what year that was, probably like 2014 or
something. And then the, the feds started

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doing a little bit more, they started to tighten up a little,
but they were still basically doing, you know, QE, which is
quantitative easing, or for those who don't know what that
means, injecting liquidity or cash into the economy, which

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benefits businesses. The, the, and, you know, it
wasn't really that Obama was this great on the economy, but
you know, it certainly the Obamaadministration oversaw a period
where we did have a very good rebound for the most part from

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the 2008 financial crisis, whichmany would call a liquidity
crisis. But you know that it gets, it
starts to get a little bit better around 2012 and it's
remarkably better by around 2014.
Maybe a little bit too much deflation that year.

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But then, you know, 20/20/17 waslike super great. 2018 was
pretty good. And Trump just takes credit for
it when he there, there was not one policy that you could point
to that that helped the economy become better because of that
policy. Now a lot of people will talk

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about the Paul Ryan tax plan, which I think was 2017 or 18, I
don't remember which year, But it didn't, it didn't really it
it really had no impact at all on the economy, good or bad.
The first trust it, it, it certainly impacted it certainly

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impacted people on a microeconomic level that I'm
talking about from a macro level.
So and then he fucked up in 2019.
There was a huge bailout in April of 2019.
There was AI get them confused sometimes.
There was another one in 2020 during COVID.

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One was in the repo market. The other one was was just a,
another huge injection of fed funds into the marketplace.
And one was 2019, one was 2020. Both were in April, March or
April of those respective years.And I mean, that's when the

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first signs really were there. And now COVID wasn't Trump's
fault that COVID happened, but how he responded to it obviously
was Trump's fault. And 20/19 was certainly happened
under Trump with no COVID. Like nobody talks about 2019.
Yeah. Nobody ever talks about March
and April 2019 and the massive amount of bailouts that took

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place and by bailouts via the Fed buying assets and injecting
liquidity into the financial arena.
And then of course, the COVID 1/20/20 was way bigger the CARES
Act. So yeah, it was.

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And then the what happened in 2022 was the feds started to do
quantitative tightening. So, you know, basically bringing
in assets and destroying the currency that they bring in.
And then you had supply the, the, the supply chain shock.

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So the supply chain chain shock was like 85% of what the, of
what the issues were. And it was all about people
just, you know, they're not being enough goods for the
amount of money that was chasingthe goods, which raise the goods
up. And.

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And yeah, so there were shorted.So, so let me, I'm going to try
to use a fantasy football reference to describe this to
somebody. Maybe not, not may not
understand like how price increases in inflation work.
Hypothetically, let's say that Delvin and I are in a fantasy
Football League together. I know it's super weird, but

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like it it'll I promise don't make sense.
Let's say Delvin and I are in a fantasy Football League together
and we have we use fab waivers, so like a free agent budget.
So like you have when, when you go to pick up a player every,
you know, somebody gets hurt, you want to pick up a player,
you bid on the player, right? So usually some leagues will

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have a fab budget, it's called free agent acquisition budget of
like $100 they can spend. It's it's like it's not real
money, obviously. It's just like 100 fab dollars,
Monopoly money and you can bid on free agents as they become
available, right? So let's say that we're in a

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league together and like last week, Jaden Daniels gets hurt,
right? So let's say that we're in,
let's say we're in two leagues together and Jaden Daniels got
hurt. And in both of those leagues, me
and Dublin both, Mariota is going to be starting.
I need to bid on him so I can get Mariota on my team.
Let's say that in one of those leagues you had $100 a year

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budget and in the other of Monopoly money and in the other
league you had $500 a year budget, OK.
And I just remember these, thesebudgets are arbitrary.
It's like the commissioner just decides what it's going to be
before the end of the year, before the beginning of the
year. If if I were going to bid on
Mariota in League A with $100 budget, I might bid like $17.00.

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But in the other league where you have a $500 budget, Mario,
I'm I, if I bid $17.00, that's like nothing.
So I might want to bid like $125.00 of my fab budget to try
to get Marcus Mario on my team, right.
So the percentage of your fab budget might be really close to

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the same. You might say, well, I'm only
going to bid like 17% of my fab budget, but the amount of fab
dollars that you're using is different, is different.
So when you have a more cash Fiat money in the marketplace
chasing limited amount of of of goods, in this case market

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Marcus Mariota's, the price of Marcus Mariota or eggs is going
to go up because you have more money chasing it.
I hope that that makes sense to people.
Makes sense, yeah. So it's not that Marcus Mariota
doesn't cost any a percentage ofmy fab budget more.

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I'm still going to bid. Like, I'm not going to put all
of it in either league on him. That'd be absurd.
But he's not that good, you knowwhat I mean?
It's like nobody's going to go and say I'm going to owe a loaf
of bread, cost 100 bucks, I'm going to buy a bunch of bread.
No, you're going to like buy oneloaf of bread.
But if it was a dollar, you might buy 4 loafs of bread, you

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know? So this is all just very, very
basic economics. You know, as the price of
strawberries goes lower, then people will buy a certain amount
more strawberries until you meetsomething that's called the
market equilibrium, which is theamount of strawberries that you
can expect to sell at that market price.
Yeah, and as that shifts left orright, you people buy more or

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less strawberries or Marcus Mariotas or.
Fresh strawberries a dollar and people are buying like 5 things
of strawberry. It's because they.
Might be like, oh, you know what, let's have strawberries
with breakfast tomorrow. That'd be cool.
I'll slice them up, put them on my cereal.
But if they're super expensive, you're gonna be like fuck that
dude, I'm just eating my cereal with milk.
Yeah. So you punch yourself out of it?

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Essentially, yeah. Exactly.
So. But to land the plane, Biden
didn't really do anything and neither did Trump.
Honestly, neither of those two did anything to meaningfully
impact the immediate economy. There were some things that both

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of them did that would have somemore long run effects.
But you know, the InfrastructureAct, the IRA under Biden and the
tariffs under Trump, the first round of tariffs in 2017 and 18,

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they, they certainly had long run impacts, but they didn't.
Like, it's not like Trump put tariffs on and all of a sudden
there was rampant inflation. That's just not how it works.
Those things take time to implement.
Same with the IRA, you know it takes time let.
Me ask this, then what about this?
Administration, though, yeah. And this term, though, is

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different. That's what I was going to say.
It seems very different this term because of the way the
tariff were put in place. The stop starts kind of just
like artificially made the market bigger.
Yeah, so the. The first time that he put
tariffs on like the islands withthe Penguins and stuff like

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that, Liberation Day, that really, really hurt stocks and
then really, really hurt the bond market.
So the bond market like took a poop.
And that's when they were like, yeah, we got to pull back on
these tariffs, but. Hurt the gaming industry too.

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It it that hurt every industry but the after the first one,
then he, if you guys all know, like he did it again and again
and again. Oh, China is 400% tariff now
it's 2%. Like I'm exaggerating, but like
he's he announces this huge tariff on Canada and then it's
like, yeah, you know, Taco, right?
Like that was what they're saying.

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Trump, Trump always chickens out.
So the main thing that Trump hasdone that has hurt the economy,
well, let me finish that last point.
The first time he did it, it hurt the markets.
After that, it's you people notice it didn't hurt the
markets anymore because they didn't the the Wall Street
brokers didn't believe them anymore.
Yeah, they were like, we're going to trade as normal.

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But the overall economy we're talking about, the global
economy thrives on certainty. Trump causes ridiculous amounts
of uncertainty. And it is the uncertainty that
has been the most problematic tothe the law, the to, to the to

(40:32):
the economy itself. Let me ask you this question.
This may be a little bit more personal, but have you seen the
effects personally of Trump's American yet in your community?
I mean, I make a decent enough money, a decent amount, enough
of the I make a decent enough amount of money where I should

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be fine. Not necessarily too much you in
general, but you. Know I well I put the point was
like I I definitely don't have very much money leftover you
know I make low 6 figures I should have a lot more than four
or $500 a month left at the end and I know how to budget myself

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now I mean I have an autistic son so I have the expenses from
that that most people don't havebut correct but still like the
you know his education is remarkably expensive but.
Oh yeah, I can. But the point of the matter is I
just still be all right. The, the price of things like
insurance are going up like crazy.

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You know, the but again, like wetalked about last time, like
people are still going to like concerts and stuff.
So like they're it's almost likewe're dancing during the burning
of Rome. Yes, well, let me tell you why I
asked that question because I'm not being, I'm not exaggerating

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when I said this may be one of the first times in my life where
I've seen a like a president's decisions directly affect my
community. Oh, well, like I live at where I
work at. What I mean by that is give me a
couple examples. I think I've told you about this
one before. There's a Home Depot that I

(42:29):
usually go to that's not too farfrom my house, right?
The forum at Home Depot. In the morning, you go there,
there's a lot of day workers. They are illegals just hanging
out there waiting to get some work, right?
Yeah. As time went on throughout the
year, that group of people got you know, they are smaller and
smaller and smaller to now, if Igo by there, I probably see

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maybe one or two. That's something that you
probably just don't notice throughout.
You just think you're probably thinking yourself.
That's weird. You know the the people who
usually here are not there no more.
Now something that I've that I've.
All those hardened, all those hardened MS13 guys.
That hang out at Home Depot. So on another level, one of the,

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you know, for those who don't know, I'm a property manager.
So I managed property. One of the things we managed is
commercial properties. He's a slumlord, is what he's
trying to tell you. Pretty much, pretty much.
So one of the properties we managed the commercial property.
I'm really cool with the the owner of the property and he he
he comes up to me. He said, hey, man, they used to

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look rough like me. I'm like, what do you mean by
that? He's like, hey, so the guy, the
guy I have one of the guys I have working for me.
He got arrested yesterday. Like why didn't he got arrested?
Like he it's late, it's late in the day.
He's getting ready to get off work.
He goes and buys a beer from like the corner store, goes to
put the beer inside his scooter.And as soon as he put the beer

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inside his scooter, cops pull upbehind him.
Arrest of having a beer on him. He goes to jail, he's illegal.
He immediately gets deported. And that guy said to me, in the
past three weeks, in the past week, I've lost four employees,

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four guys who came to the work for me who were illegals, who
all just got deported. And he like, this is crippling
my business. Like I need workers and now, and
I don't have workers because they're just, you know, cuz, you
know, let's call a spade a spade, these illegals who work
for less money and because the how, how things work, they work
for less money. And he's able to hire them.

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He's like, I cannot physically, I'm not able to stay in business
because like I can't get workersnow where the time where like he
has, he has the world and stuff.Like there was a time where he's
been like finding another workerwas an easy thing to do.
And he's now like, you can't find workers anymore, even legal
ones for that matter, because the market's so bad.

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So he's like, I got orders that are just like completely backed
up that can't get done because I've lost so many workers in one
week. So now I'm starting to see his
business go down. And then I taught them and going
more into it, I talked to some of the can we manage property
for people? I talked to some of the owners
and they're telling me we got togo up on rent.

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I'm like, why we have to go up on rent because our taxes are
too much for us to pay on our, our property taxes are too high.
And when I say go up on rent, I'm talking Dutch.
We're going from, let's say 1500a month in rent right to 2500 a

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month in one year. And people can't afford that.
You know, people look at everything like this is like
absurd and these property management, these people who are
only from like we have no choicebecause if we don't go up on
rent this drastically, we can't afford our property taxes and we
can't afford to stay. And that is, I think what I see

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like the change, which I haven'tmet, like I said, as long as I
believe, I haven't seen no drastic change this much where
property taxes gotten so high inFlorida and people to the point
where people like we can't survive off of this.
And, and, and when I say like the problem, the amount of rent
goes up a lot. These aren't like amazing
places. They're like OK places to live
at. So, and these are like, you

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know, some of these places like in the hood.
So imagine living in the hood paying 2500 Flacco, maybe a 1
1/2 bedroom, A2 bedroom. It's rough.
And you're trying to pay that ona on a McDonald's salary?
Well, I believe it because my, my property taxes went, my

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mortgage went up in March from 19/19/99 is what my mortgage was
to 2436 overnight because of property taxes.
And I would did I had no idea inMarch or in May or February,

(47:20):
whatever it was that my March payment was going to be that
much more. I didn't have a clue until I
saw, you know, it pop up on my bill.
I was like, well, shit. So you know, you call, you try
to find out and they're like, well, your property taxes went
up and your homeowner's insurance went up $700.00 a
year. OK, well, the homeowner's

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insurance you can call and get alittle bit lower, which I was
able to find one that was like 1600.
But but like, it's still crazy, you know, how much the property
taxes go up. Now, a lot of that does have to
do with there. There's definitely some issues
with some of these school systems.

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You know, I'm a huge fan of public school.
I'm very much against charter schools.
Charter schools have a role in this.
But like, just let's just not pretend that like every public
school district is but some benevolent entity, you know,
like they're, they're they play a role in this too.
They try to get as many dollars as possible allocated towards

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them. And they, you know, they'll,
they'll try to get budgets for stuff.
And, you know, you don't need $14 million to renovate your
gym. You could do it for two, you
know, and you'll be fine. But so I don't want to make it
seem like the public school boards are, are, you know, the
good guys here. We can call a spade a spade, but

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like, it's but that's not all ofit, you know, it's most of it is
just rising, rising costs. And when costs go up, you have
to raise property taxes to continue to have people to fix
infrastructure. Now, do I think they raise them
too much? Yes.

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Do I think we're overtaxed? Yes.
And it might becomes a shock to a lot of people to hear that
someone who is as left-leaning as me agrees with the right that
we pay too much tax. We do pay too much tax.
I agree. But the but the problem is, is

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that we don't we, we shouldn't be really paying any tax.
I'm I'm not against property taxes.
I think we should pay property taxes but not anywhere near what
we pay. We're overtaxed.
If you make under $200,000 a year you are most likely

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overtaxed. Yes, and.
When you when you count propertytax, sales tax, income tax,
etcetera, maybe if you make under $20,000 a year, you're
undertaxed. OK, I'll, I'll give you that.
But if you make between like 50,000 and $200,000 a year,

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you're overtaxed. And, and which is why, you know,
we, we have to shift the narrative from all of these
complete fucking idiots who go out there and they're on the
left and their hearts in the right place.
And they're like, well, we have to tax, you know, the, the rich

(50:41):
aren't paying their fair share. So that's true of like the top
5%, but the, but like the six through 50% are paying like 80%
of taxes, right? So you don't want to like
destroy those people. What we need to shift our

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narrative to And you, by the way, you'll always lose the
conversation if you're going to hit that and be like, well, we
need to raise taxes on people who make like $120,000 a year.
So great, you're raising taxes on people like me.
And I already don't have enough money.
And it's not that I don't know how to budget, you know?
And yeah, could I move to a smaller house?
Sure. But like, I don't want to move,

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you know, and I live in a 17150 square foot house, not like this
is a mansion, you know? But we need to shift our
narrative to taxing wealth, not taxing work.
The reason why we don't collect enough taxes, it's because most
of the thing, most of the wealthin this country is not taxable.

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Your house is taxable, but but like the the most of the assets
are not. So it's complicated and I don't
have the answers of how to do that.
But when you have this upward transfer of wealth to the top

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10%, yeah, they might be paying a lot more income tax per year
on their salary then you do. And that's true.
But they're not paying it on their stock options.
They're not paying it on their, you know, any other assets that

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they that they may have. And, you know, if you have a $6
million house, you're probably under taxed.
Well. If you have a $200,000 house,
you're probably overtaxed. There's exceptions, but but
that's what we, I think that we need to figure out a way to

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shift the narrative on. Do I think that someone who
pays, who makes $400,000 a year should pay more, a higher
percentage of tax and someone who makes $100,000 a year?
Yes. But I don't think that we, I
don't, I don't think that it should go back to like 80% like

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it used to, because it's still not going to move the needle
until we start taxing wealth. And people will say, and I'm
running off here, people say, but during Eisenhower, during
FDR, we, it was the most prosperous time in American
history. And we taxed, you know, the, the

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highest threshold of tax was like 90% or 80% or whatever it
was. That's correct.
But people don't get paid in thesame way anymore.
All that wealth has already beendistributed.
So you have so and then it gets hidden by tax loopholes and
stuff like that. You could probably bring out a
tax attorney that would be able to talk about this better than I

(53:53):
can. As far as like the XS and OS,
I'm in the Geo Geo economics, not tax codes but.
I want to bring somebody. Up taxing the right places.
I want to bring something up to you because the the very
important detail to add to this is what you're saying.
I agree with a lot of what you're saying about the whole
taxing things like that, taxing the people who should be taxing

(54:15):
the taxing value. But you also have to understand
the people that are saying this,frankly speaking, all on your
level. I know America has this thing
where they like to pretend that they're wealthy, you know, and
what I mean by that is we like, we like the luxuries of life,
things like that. We like the fast car and stuff

(54:35):
like that. But I want to look to something
to make sure. The average salary in the US as
of 2025 is $53,000. Is it?
I thought it was 71. I looked up, I got 53, I looked
up two, I got one for 63 and I got one for 52.
Is 71 median, 71 might be medianhousehold.

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Correct. OK.
So when you put that in consideration, the the the
majority, the great portion of the population aren't doing as
good as you. Yeah, I know.
And that's not a, that's not a knock on you or no at all.
I'm very aware of that and like I, I'm blessed.

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Yes, you have a good paying job for now.
If my company decides to lay offbusiness development, which
look, let's be honest, I'm ownedby a private capital company,
private, you know, private venture capital venturist firm,
right? Like they're their, their

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private equity is what I was struggling to find there.
I'm owned by a private equity company.
Private equity is in a bubble. If they say man, you know, we
need to trim our payroll this company so we can sell it
because they are going to that'swhat private equity does.
They buy and then they have to sell, contractually obligated,
by the way, to sell so that theycan pay dividends to those who

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invested in the company. They do before they sell the
company. I'm probably going to get laid
off. Yeah, OK, great.
Normally I'd be like fine, wheream I going to go work?
Yeah, because it's. So bad now that we have moved
from, we have moved in last yearfrom a not much hiring, not much

(56:23):
firing phase to a almost no hiring, some firing phase.
Yeah, next comes virtually no hiring, lots of firing.
The labor market is what economists call soft right now.

(56:45):
It means bad. We're not growing our economy.
Profits are growing, stock market's going up, company
evaluations are going up, but jobs are going down.
Yes, but the. Amount of jobs going is going
available. I wanted you to put it in
perspective in terms of this. If you make the amount that you

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make and you're struggling, imagine the average citizen
making 53,000 a year what they're going through.
I can't and again, just to put in perspective, if you take away
the you know, like I said, my son has goes to autism school.

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So like let's let's put make it,let's make it even.
Let's say I made take that away.I make $80,000, you know, like
so, So I should still off it $80,000 because obviously you
take that expense away. You got to take away the, the
pay that pays the expense, right?
So all apples being apples, let's say I make, I, I probably

(57:52):
live the life of a person who, who averages like $80,000 a
year. The, you know, I, I drive a
Nissan Altima. My car note is 371.
Ain't that high, You know? So what we have in this country
is an affordability crisis. Exactly which I would do, which

(58:14):
I was trying to lead to, which we're going to talk about in a
second because I was going to, that's how I was going to lead
to the whole Mandani thing and why he is so popular people.
Because what's going on in this country right now is people
can't afford shit like, you know, and it's just simple, Like
people are looking at the country and they hear this one
guy tell us that everything's good, everything is cheaper than

(58:36):
it ever been. Everything's great, such and
such, such, such. We're getting everything fixed
right now. But then they look at their
pockets, then they look at the rent.
They're like, fuck, I can't evenafford to catch the bus.
Like, you know. And what's going up in the
meantime? Credit card balances.

(58:57):
Yes. Many of you listening to this in
the past six months have probably started getting mail
from companies that want to giveyou a personal loan.
I get them everyday. They, they, they're doing this
because they need the these. So there's most of these banks

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are what you would call a shadowbank.
They're called shadow banks, notbecause they're like sinister,
it's a shadow bank because it's not a bank, right?
But they give loans out. So they borrow the money from
somebody and then they find somebody to loan it to their
middle man, like Franklin Financial or Upstart or stuff

(59:45):
like that. Or like, you know, not, I'm not
talking about like Bank of America, you know, and these
shadow banks have that they, they need to bring in loans so
that they can then package thoseloans into, they package them
together and basically sell stock in that package of loans

(01:00:09):
similar to like a mortgage-backed securities, but
it's with these types of loans, right?
And we're starting to see a lot of defaults in secondary in in
secondary like Carmax's just. Announced something, I didn't
see the details what it was, butthe gist is that, you know,

(01:00:31):
there's huge problems with subprime right now and that's
always the first one to go. You see trends in the amount of
repos, late payments, etcetera that you that are normal.
I mean your bad credit, you're going to have higher repo rates,
right? Like so that makes sense, but
you're seeing that start to peakand then you see a note and then

(01:00:55):
if you look on the chart, it, you'll have a, a curve and
that'll be subprime, it'll be higher.
And then below that you'll see acurve for prime loans, you know,
good credit loans and it trends the same way, but it's generally
just a little bit behind. So they kind of go up like this,
right? And I know people can't see, but

(01:01:17):
I'm moving my hands slightly upward next to each other, to my
from my left to my right. The, I mean, you can look up
these, you can Google these charts like, but the you, you're
starting to see that. So when you take the fact that
we have a softening labor marketand you look at the fact that

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the the Feds reverse repo facility is basically empty and
the fact that the Fed is going into quantitative easing again,
not yet. They're not there they yet, but
they're they're getting close. They're in a kind of neutral

(01:02:02):
period right now. You can look at a lot of these
different signs and say, look, we've got problems.
Now, I'm not saying we're having, I'm not predicting a
2008 level crash because I don'tthink it's going to impact the
stock market all that much. It might.
It might because so much of the growth in the stock market is in

(01:02:25):
AI that even the 10% drop pull back on that would be
cataclysmic to the marketplace. I am just not sure that the US
government's going to allow thatto happen.
So they're artificially keeping the growth going.

(01:02:46):
Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain sort of
thing. Do I think the economy is going
to collapse? No, I don't think the economy is
going to collapse. But I think that people's lives
are at the bottom and no one's going to care.
Yeah. And that and super last point,

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the people at the bottom, what is considered the bottom is
broadening. So that pool of people is
substantially larger than it ever than it has been at any
point in time really since the Great Depression.
Yeah. Which is why the Democratic

(01:03:34):
Party needs to shift its narrative to class and away from
the very, very. So like, identity politics are
important in some ways. We're not trying to pretend that
like, blacks are treated the same as whites.

(01:03:54):
We know they're not. But got to figure out a way to
stop pitting poor whites and poor blacks against each other.
Well, I'm glad you brought that up because one of the things
that I've been talking about also this year, I think it's a
really interesting to watch, is Republic has been trying to use
identity politics. What did?

(01:04:16):
We just say it doesn't count forthem.
They've been using it this year and it for the most part, no,
not even the most part, it has not been working for them at
all. Like it?
No, they they spent years talking about how identity
politics is terrible. But then again, they're
hypocrites. They've always been hypocrites.
They're the worst hypocrites. These are the same fucking

(01:04:39):
jokers who will tell you on Monday that that teachers are
woke America haters, and then onTuesday after a school shooting,
they'll be like, well, we shouldarm the teachers.
You want to arm the America hating woke professor?

(01:05:03):
Yeah. Like that makes no sense.
They don't even, they don't evenstop to think about the
absurdity of what they're saying.
They, they, they parade out minorities especially like
during CPAC and like during the the convention let the
Republican National Convention last year, it was a parade of
Hispanics and black people. Yeah.

(01:05:25):
Candace Owens's whole show is I'm a conservative black woman.
It's totally identity politics. She doesn't tell you that, but
you know, they they love identity politics.
And super last one, I know I'm talking a lot.
They live on Christian identity politics.
Christians are under attack. The war on Christmas.

(01:05:46):
By the way, it's November. Delvin, when is our annual
meeting for the War on Christmasbeginning?
Because I'm going I we need to start preparing for this year's
war. Yeah, I I found it very
fascinating how those conversations have changed very
much so, and how certain things have happened that would deemed

(01:06:10):
OK. Now, like throughout the year,
you see the ads from the Sidney Sweeney ad.
Yeah. And other ads similar to that
when they're like America's backor they're attacking this woman
for this and like, and it's veryfascinating looking at the
response to those ads. Well, the Sidney Sweeney was

(01:06:34):
manufactured outrage that that wasn't real.
It wasn't real and. Nobody was.
Nobody cared about the Sydney Sweeney ad.
And I bring it up because it came back up this week.
Did you see this story? No.
It came back up and they act, 'cause she's she has the movie
that's coming, that's coming, that's just recently came out.

(01:06:57):
That's supposed to be pretty good.
And the lady asked her about thead.
Yeah. And she gave this kind of non
answer thing and it kind of brought up like, that's a weird
way to answer that question, youknow?
Yeah. I'm not familiar with what she
said, but. Let me pull up the quote for
you. OK.

(01:07:17):
Let me see if I can find it for you real.
Quick, while you're looking for that, I'm going to grab my other
water. OK.

(01:07:38):
So in today's news, Jim. OK.
The weather in Palm Beach is cloudy with a chance of
meatballs. It's, it's really interesting to
look how this ad well one, like you said, this whole thing was
manufactured because as we talked about before, this was a
lot of this was did we? Talk about that I couldn't

(01:07:59):
remember if. We think we talked.
I talked about an episode with Italked about an episode with my
boy, if not too long ago, is howa lot of this stuff is Lord
Sturtz. This stuff is manufactured and a
lot of the people who are responding to this ad were baked
were like bots. And now you have this thing

(01:08:22):
where let me see if I can pull up her exact quote because I
want it because I want to quote her correctly.
Bring this up and I, I bring this up because the response to
this and her is essentially likeif you look at her movies

(01:08:46):
tracking this year, they have not done well.
Like the movie she had as it came out this year was people
say it's actually really good ishas done so far. 1.2 million.
Wow, that's nothing. Yeah, and people are like
praising the movie, saying this good, She said.
Can the interview you ask her about the the the ad and she

(01:09:09):
says, I think that when I have an issue, I want people will
hear it. And she gives this face to the
interviewer. Like stop asking about this
shit. It's probably a smart answer.
Like I look it was a double entendre, part was obvious.
And then she but also she did. Say like like.

(01:09:31):
It's I like jeans. I've always liked jeans.
Yeah, like I don't have a problem with.
When I saw the Sidney Sweeney ad, I thought two things.
The first one was interesting. You have a blonde blue eyed
woman talking about how she has good, which if you change that

(01:09:53):
to superior, because if you're if someone, if you say someone
has good genes and you're showing a beautiful woman, you
could take that as in a couple of different ways, but I like we
we're so when you have a community of Jewish people whose
grandparents were put in ovens by people who are saying the

(01:10:16):
same thing, it's notable. Now that being said, there was
enough plausible deniability to it where people heard that and
they were like, OK, well they'retalking, it's a play on words,
etcetera. But the thing was, is that the
about 85% of the like posts thatyou would see at the time, the

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memes and like the interviews, those were all right wingers
pretending to be left wing. I've also like the whole quote
for you touch so you get in context.
OK, I'm a read for GQ, said whatshe said.
GQ quote the president truth socialed about the jeans ad, and
I wondered, what was that like? Sweeney says.

(01:11:01):
It was surreal, GQ says. I would probably feel thankful
that some very powerful people had my back in public.
I wonder if you felt that way, Sweeney.
I didn't have that feeling. What a great way to ask that
question, by the way, by the GQ interviewer.
That is a great way to ask that question.
That is how you're supposed to ask questions.

(01:11:22):
Yes, and then she, the GQ interviewer goes, there's a
chance that someone will get theidea about you and what do you
think about certain issues and feel like I don't want to see
Christie because of that, Don't you worry about that?
She responds. No.
And there's something that you want to say about the ad itself

(01:11:43):
sitting this week, responds The ad spoke for itself.
And then the GQ interviewer saysthe criticism of the context was
basically that maybe specifically in this political
climate, why people shouldn't joke about genetic superiority.
And I just wanted to give you anopportunity to talk about that
specifically. And then Sweeney said, I think

(01:12:08):
that when I have an issue, I want to speak about.
So that is the whole quote. And so she's just avoiding it.
Like, I look, let's be super honest here.
Sidney Sweeney is what, 25? Yes.
She she doesn't. I don't, I I doubt that Sidney

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Sweeney cares too much about politics.
I doubt that she understands thegravity of certain things.
I didn't at 25, not maybe I'm wrong.
She could be the most politically intelligent person
on earth, but you know, these actors, actors and actresses,

(01:12:49):
they work non-stop. They work pretty hard.
They're focused on their roles. Like I'm not, and especially at
that age, I'm not going to like I'm, I'm not, I'm not interested
in like ruining her career. If she doesn't want to be
politically active, she doesn't have to be.
The there was enough, like I said with that ad, there was
enough plausible, but not deniability of saying that the

(01:13:10):
that the jeans that they were talking about were beauty jeans,
right? Like prettiness.
And I think that's probably where she was was going with it.
She's like the biggest sex symbol in fucking America right
now. I honestly, American Eagle could
quash this very, very quickly. They do the exact same ad again

(01:13:31):
with Zoe Saldana. They don't want to.
Well, that's The thing is why I.I think they they did it for the
controversy. I think even the response to it
was purely for the controversy they like, and I think she knows
that and I think that's why she's not responding to it.
Well, and I mean, and they they did like conservatives, all of a

(01:13:52):
sudden we're like, well, we're going to buy American Eagle.
I mean so like. And I think that's why she
doesn't want to respond to it, because she wants to have her
cake and eat it too. She wants to have both audiences
support her. So instead of just saying
directly, no, it's not about that, it's about the jeans.
It's not about white superiorityor anything like that.
It's just about the jeans. I didn't think about anything

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like that. She's going to just beat around
the Bush with it. Yeah.
Because, as Michael Jordan once said, Republicans buy shoes too.
Yeah, which which was was the the wrong thing to say.
I mean, Jordan's been highly criticized for that over the
years. I mean, I, I don't think Michael
Jordan is a particularly great human being.

(01:14:36):
Well, he is Michael Jordan. But he is still Michael Jordan,
right? He's the he's best basketball
player ever. But like he's also like, you
know, a big gambler, like, you know what I mean?
Like, I don't think he's like, Idon't like Barkley had the
Speaking of basketball players, Barkley had the best quote.
I'm not a role model, you know, and he was right.

(01:14:57):
Yeah. You know, like you are, but like
you're also like, if you, you'renot obligated to behave in a
certain way that, you know, likeit's, I don't think that just
because Antonio Brown is batshitcrazy that like people are going
to go do stuff that oh, Antonio Brown does, you know, so by the

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way, he definitely is batshit crazy.
Yes, he is. But, but the, you know, I, I
think that I think that the Republicans are very good at, at
a couple things. And, and one of them is making
the left look crazy. And that's part of the reason
why leadership of the RepublicanParty or of the Democratic Party

(01:15:45):
is so unpopular is because they just allow this stuff to happen.
Like, do you, do we really believe that Nancy Pelosi should
be putting on a kente cloth and parading herself around in front
of women of color as like, like and in front of them like, you

(01:16:07):
know, I'm, I have a way bigger problem with, with the antics of
Nancy Pelosi than I do of that with Sydney Sweeney.
But these, so they, they continuously love to make the
left look nuts because they knowthat people on the left are
keyboard warriors and they don'tknow what and, and they don't
think about stuff and they're angry already, which is

(01:16:28):
understandable. They're angry because they've
they've lost a couple elections to a fascist and they get
triggered by like RFK and Tylenol.
I, I think it's even more to that than that.
I think the problem is that whenit comes to these, the less
politicians, it almost comes offlike they don't get anything

(01:16:50):
done. They don't.
And, and that's the problem. I think people are seeing
through that bullshit. And that's why when you get
somebody like a Mandani who justseems completely different than
everything we've been hearing sofar, it's refreshing that people
go out and vote for that becausethey're like, you know what?
And, and, and, and this is what I said, and I've said this

(01:17:11):
before and I said this now, whenBiden got into office four years
ago, that was the perfect time to make the change that you need
to make. They chose not to.
They chose to keep the status quo status quoing.
And because they chose to keep the status quo status quoing,
they lost Nick because everybodyat that time was hungry for

(01:17:35):
change. And people were who even didn't
like, even though they forced Joe Biden down our throat making
no making made no mistake about it, they forced Joe Biden down
our throat. They were like this the guy
people were still like, you knowwhat his pedigree, he came from
the Obama camp, quote UN quote. You know, you know, this is the

(01:17:56):
guy that people were were rooting for to do things.
And they will say they want to make change.
They were going to fix everything that was wrong with
the country. They want to get things back on
track. And then they got in office and
did not do anything sufficient. They come up with this
infrastructure bill, that's fine, cool, whatever.

(01:18:16):
But in the day, how is that helping the people that are in
that $53,000 each? Nobody gives a fuck about that
when you're making $53,000 a year.
Because they're conservatives. How many times do I have to say
it? They're, they're, they're
slightly right of center. They, they, they, and I think I
was going to try to say this earlier and I got I, I rabbit

(01:18:38):
holed myself, but the, the Democratic Party of today
occupies almost the exact same political space as the
Republican Party did pre Reagan.I agree.
Post Reagan, it shifted, you know, because of Reagan and
Thatcher and you know, supply side and all that type of jazz.

(01:19:03):
But like they they were, they were like Keynesian nuts.
When I'd say Keynesian, I'm talking about like government
intervention in the financial markets and that's where the
Democrats are like the social issues everything like they're

(01:19:25):
maybe the Democratic Party does a fake like I talked about Nancy
Pelosi can't take off moment about Black Lives Matter every
once in a while to save face. Nancy Pelosi doesn't give two
fucks about black rights. Correct.
Anyone who seriously thinks thatNancy Pelosi gives a fuck about

(01:19:46):
civil rights, I'm not saying she's racist, I'm just saying
like she doesn't care about civil rights.
Because it doesn't affect her. It doesn't impact her.
So she doesn't give a shit but right?
So like, no one's ever believed that.
I mean, she might care about some women's rights.
And and like, there was not everything Nancy Pelosi did was
bad, but like, thank God she's gone.

(01:20:09):
After this year, thank freaking God, but hopefully she's trying
to hand pick her own successor we had.
She hasn't yet, but we know she will.
That's San Francisco. Give us a fucking, you know, an
actual progressive. Yeah.
That give us a give us another Mondani and like you like this

(01:20:29):
guy, this Graham planter guy whoyou know and Maine like give us
people like that, you know, and he might not be the most perfect
candidate, but. But you need people to run who
are like that. That's the problem.
You need people who are of that vein to run it and and to change
the game. I think the thing that works for
Mandani is he's very charismatic.

(01:20:54):
He's awesome, Yeah. Like he's awesome.
He's ever seen him get tripped up in a debate ever.
Every single thing that that guysays is micromanaged.
He feels genuine. He, they, he has to answer way
harder questions than anybody who has run for major political

(01:21:18):
office in the history of the United States.
Yes, under a microscope 24 hoursa day, people combing through
every single post he's ever done, which is why I don't run
for office by by but the but like he he goes on all different

(01:21:42):
types of shows. He gets hit with super hard
questions and he answers them authentically.
Do you know who else does that? Donald Trump.
Very correct, very accurate. You know, like Donald, Donald
Trump is this is definitely a fascist.

(01:22:04):
He will also tell you without using the words I'm a fascist.
But he he won't say that, but he'll tell you like you could go
down, you could read like fascist propaganda and he'll be
like, oh, no, no, I'm not a fascist.
But that particular idea, he will love every single one of
those. You know, like he, he does every

(01:22:24):
look, we talked you around a year ago, you had me on the show
was probably a little bit more than a year ago because it was
before the election. So let's say 1415 months ago I
came on your show. OK.

(01:22:45):
And we talked about Project 2025, and at the time I don't
even know what you're talking about, he said.
That is what he said. It they've done every single
thing. Like knowing that he say it
fucking. Thing.
He said it and people believed it.

(01:23:07):
You know, and there's still people this day were like, well,
he's not doing private 2025. OK, if you say so.
You're not going to you're not interested in being moved by
facts. They're, they're but, but Trump
at least will tell you that like, like I, I think Trump is

(01:23:34):
like a likable person to have a conversation with for like an
interviewer. If you were an interviewer, you
it would probably be like a interesting conversation.
You know, he, as long as you're giving him an opportunity to
make, to talk nice about himself, you know, but he but

(01:23:56):
he, but he continues to say the same things over and over and
over again. And people believe it even
though it's remarkably not true.And Democrats do a terrible job
of convincing people that the shit that he does is not
correct. Well, I think it goes back to
what we were saying earlier. What you were saying is part of

(01:24:20):
that problem is the Democrats wehave that are front facing
aren't very likable. Or trusted.
Yeah. So like if I were to say to
someone that there's an upward transfer of wealth, I think in

(01:24:40):
in just a regular conversation, just like let's say I met 3
people and we're talking at a bar and they're conservatives
and I'm talking about upward transfer of wealth.
It's probably pretty likely thatduring that conversation they're
going to at least give me a little bit of benefit if they
might not be sold, but they might be like, yeah, I guess

(01:25:01):
maybe you have a point there. They're going to give me that a
little bit of trust in what I'm telling them.
If Hakeem Jeffries says it, they're like, he's woke.
Yeah. What's he know?
He's just another Democrat parroting that, you know, these,
these lines and it's not making,he doesn't make it personal to

(01:25:23):
me. They don't know how to overcome
the fact that their credibility is completely gone and they blew
it themselves. Yeah.
And, and to go back to what we're talking about earlier with
the shutdown, because all we've heard, all I've heard at least

(01:25:44):
in the whole conversation about the shutdown is Democrats
fought, Democrats fought, Democrats fought.
And now you end the shutdown, the shutdown is going to be
over. And what do you have to show for
it? You don't have much to show for
it. And then on top of that, and I,

(01:26:05):
I've said this before, you in, in situations like this, you
cannot move like, oh, everythingwill be right when the midterms
come around. We'll we'll win back the House
or the Senate. Everything will be good.
No, you're not. You're not guaranteed to get
that. No and did not not with the
playbook they have now. Real quick on the shutdown.

(01:26:25):
I predicted weeks ago that they would do it Friday.
I was wrong. It was today, but Senate's going
on vacation Monday, technically yesterday, but they but you
know, they were still there. So like, they were like they,
they don't want because they know that it's going to impact

(01:26:46):
Republicans a little bit worse. The shutdown would have, it was
hurting Republicans a little bitmore.
But the fact that Democrats allow themselves to be hurt by
it at all when they don't have the majority is astonishing.
It's, it's astonishing that, that it's unbelievable.

(01:27:10):
This is why I hate that party. I truly detest them.
They do it to themselves and they keep doing it to
themselves. And that's the whole thing I was
saying. They have to fight like there is
no tomorrow and they keep fighting like, oh brother,
tomorrow maybe not for you it isn't.

(01:27:32):
I hope not. And, and This is why when I
talked to you, and this was a year ago, yeah, when I came on
right after the election, I saidthere's the, the, the only hope
we have. I, I think my quote was
something like, you were like, how do you feel?
And I'm like, I'm thrilled because they're done.
It might be my whole thing is. That they, they have to be done

(01:27:57):
or, or or if they're not done, then I am going to shift.
I'm, I'm, I'm holding out for 2026.
I'm going to see what happens. I will never vote for the
Democratic Party again if they get landslided again or they in
2026, because I'll, I'll just vote for a different party.

(01:28:17):
I'll vote for the Cornell West of the World because I'm not
going to continue to vote for a party.
Not that I have been voting themthat long, but they they need
to, they need to send a message that they're going to try to
empower regular working people. Yes.

(01:28:39):
And every single candidate that comes up that fights for working
people, they go against them. Yes, and.
They have run candidate. The Democrats run candidates
against Jamal Bowman. The Democrats ran candidates
against Summer Lee, against Corey Bush.
Now Corey Bush I didn't care forall that much, but against, you

(01:29:01):
know, court. But still, she was way better
than the person who's there now.You know, against Nina Turner,
you know, against and the and the only one where they did
that, where we won in recent memory, other than Mandami, the
only one where we won was fucking Fetterman, who is.

(01:29:28):
Just you supper. Wildly disappointing.
Like he just tricked everybody. Like when?
I don't know if you know this story, but did you ever?
And I'm glad this didn't happen to Montana.
Me, but are you familiar with who India Walton is?

(01:29:50):
Yes. So tell us about India Walton.
I'm doing too much talking. Let me let me give you a good
synopsis of India Walton. Because this story is remarkable
and it and it tells about the how Democrat, how much Democrats
hate Bernie people. I'm going to get to the whole

(01:30:17):
you want to go to the mayor campaign, correct?
Yeah, she was running for the mayor of Buffalo.
Buffalo, NY Yeah. Was it 2020?
2021 OK, it's 20/20/21 All right.
So I really often Wikipedia to give people an idea.
Walton announced her campaign from Mayor of Buffalo in 2021

(01:30:38):
election December 13th, 2020. During the campaign, Byron
Brown, who has served as the mayor for four terms, refused to
debate Walton. The Working Families Party
endorsed and supported Walton during her campaign after
previously endorsed Brown. In the past campaign, she was
also endorsed by the Democratic Socialist of America and the

(01:31:02):
Buffalo Teachers Union, a union of three 3800 members.
Walton defeated Brown in the Candace dorm during the primary
on June 22nd, 2021 and a 52 to 45% after her primary win.
The Buffalo News Reporter Observer saw Walton's winning
another signal that a dynamic candidate can knock off the a

(01:31:22):
complacent incumbent anytime, anywhere, which might give
encourage more challenges to take on a long elected official
elsewhere in New York and beyond.
Now here's where it gets. Yeah, this is the juicy part,
I'm guessing. Yeah, During the course of her
campaign, Walter was endorsed bySenate Majority Leader Leader

(01:31:42):
Chuck Schumer. Christian Gillibert, New York.
Christian Gillibrand. Yeah.
Gillibrand Yeah. Jumani Williams is supported by
Senator Bernie Sanders and Senator Elizabeth Warren and
Representative AOC. She was also endorsed by Erie
County Democratic Committee and they were her campaign raised
$150,000 compared to Brown who raised over $500,000.

(01:32:07):
Yes, OK. You know, and received support
from the Police Benevolence Association of Republicans.
Now let's get now we're getting to the juicy stuff going down
some more. OK, in On October 23rd, 2021,

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CNN reported that the mail. The mayoral election escalated
over the summer into the fall asa proxy fight between the city
and state's growing progressive movement and more business
friendly establishment Democratsdetermined to block Walter's
ascent. Now all the ones who had

(01:32:48):
previously endorsed her yes change their minds.
Yes, Walton, a Democrat, but butmany of them, yes, Walton, a
democratic socialist and member of the Democratic Socialist of
America. In an interview of Rolling
Stones published July 2021, said.
It's my responsibility to to explain to folks that being a

(01:33:09):
democratic socialist does not mean that I'm interested in
seeing people's private properties.
During a mayoral election debatein late October 21, in response
to Brown stating I don't see Misses Walton as a Democrat, she
replied, I won a Democratic primary.
Secondly, I am a self about democratic socialist.
The first word is Democrat. Now, if elected in the in the

(01:33:34):
general election, she would havebeen the first socialist mayor
of a large city since Frank Zinda left office as mayor of
Milwaukee in 1960. Sixty she would have been the.
1st Yeah. So it had some issues, but
during his tenure in Milwaukee, though, a lot of progress was

(01:33:57):
made. Now this part will sound
familiar. After his primary election
defeat to Walton, Brown announced a write in campaign
after his lawsuit that sought toadd his name to the ballot was
unsuccessful. On November 3rd, 2021, Walton
publicly acknowledged that she did not appear to be the winner

(01:34:18):
of the election while the votes were still being counted, but
she did not officially concede, according to Buffalo News on
November 6th, 2021. Despite her apparent loss,
Walton may have been may have awakened opponent political
force in Buffalo politics and onNovember 8th, 2021, Political

(01:34:38):
reported that she joined advocacy for Brown to be removed
from his position in the Democratic National Committee.
Walter received the letter of support for Barack Obama follows
the election laws. In an interview with WGRZ,
Walter stated Obama's letter to her sort of the final step of
approve was the right was the right thing.

(01:35:01):
So. In a nutshell, ADSA and I'm not
a fan of DSA, but at least the people in DSA.
They're obnoxious, but the she aDSA woman wins the primary and

(01:35:23):
then there's a huge campaign to keep the current mayor in and
they did it by write in. Counter campaign.
Imagine the amount of of of justthe ocean of propaganda that you
need to do that by write in. They were hell bent on making

(01:35:45):
sure that she was not the mayor.Does it?
Doesn't it sound familiar? It was so as soon as Mandami
beat Como. I'm glad to get to it.
I The first thing I thought was we're going to have another
India Walton. Yep.
And Como very predictably ran asan independent.

(01:36:10):
The only thing that kind of saved him was the arrogance of
the Republican candidate for notdropping out if, if whatever.
And it was, I forget his name. He's runs.
He's like a Jill Stein. He runs all the time.
Starts with a S But he if he haddropped out, it would have it

(01:36:31):
would have been way more narrow and and Mandami might have lost
but but I was afraid that that was going to happen.
Now it does sort of speak to thefact that Mandami now Mandami
was a better candidate than India Walton.

(01:36:53):
There's no doubt about that whenI talk I'm talking about a
political candidate India Waltonwas not as charismatic as
Mandami is beliefs wise. They were right there with each
other. So like, you know, there was,
there was, there wasn't very much space between India,
Walton's policies and and Mandami's policies.

(01:37:16):
The hatred from the DNC was verymuch equal.
Yeah. The OR not the and from in this
case, not really the DNC. Well, the DNC had a big role to
play in it, but it was more of the local New York Democratic
Party. They did not want him to be
their candidate. It's, it's hilarious that he was

(01:37:41):
able to fucking win and it just shows you that why would I want
to continue to support a party that is going to try to
submarine every single progressive or DSA person that
that comes to the top? They've done it over and over
and over again. No one knows this better than

(01:38:02):
me. And the reason why I know this
better than most is because during the time that we did Dig
on America, my former podcast, we did nothing but promote
progressive candidates nationally.
I have talked between 2018 and 2022.

(01:38:26):
I probably talked to 75 progressive primary candidates
and interviewed them, and in every single case, they were
being so torpedoed by their local Democratic Party, by the
D, triple C, by the DNC. You've talked to one of them who
by the way, is running again, Lauren, I believe you talked had

(01:38:48):
Lauren on the show. Yes, I did.
And you probably should have himon again because he's running
again and he's getting torpedoed.
So. And Lauren is a true
progressive. I mean he's in favor, he's not
like anti gun, but other than that he's progressive.
I I will say this. So like, that's just what they

(01:39:10):
do. I will say this and I will.
What I'm saying this is, I guess, is what we can leave on
as a party that has lost so much, But I mean, the Democratic
Party and they lost so much goodwill.
They lost so much positivity. They lost so many votes like

(01:39:30):
they're losing the fucking fascist, like, you know.
And you people think that they're the crazy ones.
Yes, you would think that when they have people that are
breaking ground and getting support.
They'd be like, yes. Let's go with this person.

(01:39:51):
Let's put our all our weight to this person like a Mandani.
Like I'll even say it like AOC few years back, like and it
seems like every chance they get, they squash it, they squash
it down and because they're. Stupid.
They think Americans want centrism and they don't.

(01:40:14):
They want here's what Americans want.
They want populism and they honestly don't.
They're they're not able to distinguish right wing populism
from left wing populism in most cases.
Yeah. They want populism.
Why was Charlie Kirk popular? Because Charlie Kirk like, and

(01:40:40):
Tucker Carlson are populists. Yeah.
And just super quick. Am I living in the Twilight Zone
right now with Marjorie Taylor Green?
Like, I, I, I'd listened to her recently, honest, I was like,
she's actually talking about healthcare.

(01:41:03):
I am. I never thought a year and a
half ago that I would have shifted my views on on Marjorie
Taylor Green. Now, she still hates gay people.
So we got a big problem there, you know, But holy shit.

(01:41:26):
But to be fair, she's talking about healthcare because it
directly affected her. Sometimes you need that
anecdotal experience. Yeah, that's true.
You know, I, I don't care why I care that, you know, like, like
I. Care both and I get both because

(01:41:47):
at because she was in a positionwhere she could have helped
prevent some of this stuff. No, that's 1000% right.
But it's better to be like, fuck, maybe I was not right than
to continue. You know, like I give her, I'm
not all the way there on her yet, but I'm saying I'm blown

(01:42:10):
away. Like every time I hear her talk,
I'm like, she doesn't sound batshit crazy anymore.
She's active. She's decided to become a
populist. Tucker Carlson is similar.
I still think he's a white nationalist.
I'm not going to sit here and say, oh, I like Tucker Carlson.
But day by day, he's he's movingon some issues that are very

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important. I, I, I think that's one thing.
I don't appreciate that people like a Marjorie Taylor Green is
willing to say, you know what, maybe I was wrong about that
one. That is what we need more in
America. Like people say, you know what?
And I think honestly, that's howwe get to change.
Like people just say, you know what?

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I was wrong about that one. Maybe I was wrong about this guy
in general. We don't have enough of that in
society where people just sit there and say, you know what,
this is wrong. I have.
Way too many why I left the leftstore.
We have way too many Tulsi Gabbard's and not enough
Marjorie Taylor Greens. Yes, and I'm a Marjorie Taylor
Green and now again, don't I'm not going to like crown her the

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next AOC by any stretch. Like she's very anti-gay.
Like she's she's got a lot of views that I detest, but I used
to use the F word talking about gay people all the time in
college. That was a thing.
You know, like I'd, I'd, I'd, there's a lot of stuff that I

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used to say and do that I just don't believe anymore because I,
you know, so I, I shifted my views from being a guy who voted
for the Republican candidate 100% of my lifetime from 1992
until 2008. The first time I voted for a

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Democrat in my life was 08 and Ivoted for Obama.
And I honestly, I kind of did itbecause I thought the guy was
cool and I thought it was about time we had a black president.
That was it. I didn't pay much attention to
politics. Nothing wrong with that.
And then I went back voted Republican again.
I voted for Romney about, you know, and then Trump came and I
was like, I'm not voting for either one of them because I'd

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still hated Hillary for my yearsas a Republican, right?
So, but so like I know that people can change their views on
on things presented with evidence in the right way.
But I think the problem with today is people aren't willing
to change their views because they feel like they're they are
stuck to this one drive. And I can even go to people who
like Democrats, they feel like, OK, we can't change because

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we're just in this party now. And I get it because the other
party over there clearly doesn'twant us over there.
They want us over there for their votes.
Then after we get their votes, they're like, go to fuck back
over there or go back to your own country or whatever they
want to say about us. But when you look at the party
that we have, it's like, you know, y'all need to

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fundamentally change how y'all are moving and.
And they drop the ball. So like, look, the member, the,
the how do I say this? So there are still who, if you
bring up Benghazi or Hunter's laptop, they'll just go batshit

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crazy because these things have legs with them, right?
They've, you know, the COVID shutdowns, vaccines, etcetera.
They still talk about these things.
You bring up January 6th. They roll people, just general
people, Joe at the supermarket, Bob at, you know, Bob and Mary
Ann next door. You bring up January 6th to most

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people. They roll their eyes.
Are you still talking about that?
Yep. You know, like it's almost, it's
almost become like a situation where the Republicans have
figured out through their many think tanks, because they've got
a thousands and thousands of think tanks with millions and
billions of dollars behind them,where the Democrats just don't,

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where they're able to give legs to something like Benghazi
forever into perpetuity. People will be complaining about
about Hunter's laptop or Obama'stan suit, you know, but you
can't bring up J6 and people roll their eyes at you.

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You know, it's, I don't know howto change that, but.
Some. Of the ME needs to figure that
out and do it because they're, they Republican wedge issues
have legs like you wouldn't believe.
And the Democrats, like, they talk about stuff and people roll
their eyes out and they're like,I don't want to hear be talking

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about this. I can tell you why that's
happening before we go. It's simple because they never
follow through on anything. That's a.
That's the big part of it. If you're going to say like,
like, look, if you're going to tell me for years that the guy
who's a fucking president of theUnited States right now is a
fucking criminal. And then when you get in office

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for four years, you don't do shit about it.
People are not trying to hear that shit when you're like when
you're trying to tell people like, hey, these guys did this
thing, stored the capital and did all these atrocious things
that are in our country. And then soon as this guy gets
back in office, which he probably should have, not
probably he should have never had the chance to do again.

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And they just see all these people just get the fuck out of
jail. Why should?
We trust you for anything. Well, and, and you can't even
you can't even like I haven't brought this up in a while
because I kind of forgot super honest with you.
I did totally slip my mind that Trump is a felon.
Yeah, like because and and and that's probably me being

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influenced by the media in that like they it's never talked
about anymore. It's like you.
And if you were to, I think thatif you were to poll average
people, I don't know if it's true, it just seems true.
If you were to pull average people, like people at your
workplace, especially white people and Hispanics, like maybe

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not black people because black people are way more educated
when it comes to stuff, social issues and stuff.
But and say, do you actually really believe that Donald
Trump, like, let me just be honest with me.
Like, do you believe Donald Trump, like, was actually guilty
of crimes? I think most people would
probably say no. Yeah, you know which is.

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Which is weird. But you know why?
Because there was no fucking consequences to it.
But they did a good job in, in, in, in positioning it as a
political hit job. Yeah.
And I think they did a they theyclear obviously it was.
They did in. In some ways it was political,
but like, it's such, they did such a good job of erasing that.

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They did, but also, like I said,there was no consequences to it.
Yeah, he was. He was never going to serve a
day in jail. Anyway, yeah, and that's the
problem. If you're going to, if you're
going to accuse somebody, if you're going to accuse a former
president of being a criminal, there needs to be consequences
for those actions. Whether he serves time in jail.

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Well, actually he probably should serve time in jail.
There's that, like the. Biggest one was the ballots and
it never went to court. Yeah, if you don't if, if,
because if you're like, hey, this guy did this atrocious
thing. You're like, he thought all
these atrocious things. He doesn't even do jail time.
Then people are like what the fuck we did that for?
Yeah. That's exactly what happened.

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Unfortunately, the one he was found guilty of was the one that
I cared the least about. Yeah.
Rich guy had cheated on a financial crime.
Whoa, really? You don't say you know, but the
ballot one, that was the one, the Georgia ballot case, that

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was a true attempt to usurp authority.
Yes, it was, but nobody cares because.
On tape. Nobody cares because there was
nothing done about it. You, you, you have these Craven
people not following through with their good things they're
going to say. Well then we get prosecutors who
have political motivation, whichis part which is problematic

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too. Like, yes, you know why they
why, why Letitia James was ever in charge of that case is
astonishing to me. Yes, but also to give credit,
Trump said that he was going to go back and everybody who
whoever wronged him with those cases and by God, he's doing

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just that. And and he may not get a single
conviction from it, but people see him doing it.
And I think that's the biggest difference where people like
when body was in office, he wasn't really doing that.
That's not what wasn't happening.

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He was trying to build bridges that with people who don't want
to build bridges with you that. He was trying, he tried to be
T'challa. Yeah.
And, and being T'challa is the right thing to do, generally
speaking. But these people that they, they
vote against, you know, they, the ACA is, it's been in the

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news. You know, ACA is a great
example. Republicans stripped down that
bill and then and and got it where they wanted it, and then
zero of them voted for it. Yes.
Why bother with the legislation in the 1st place, you know?
Oh, and just real quick on on insurance, in case anybody is

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being influenced by memes about insurance costs going up post
Obamacare. I, I do want to, I, I think this
is an important thing to maybe close on.
OK, they are correct. So the, the, the, the insurance
costs have gone up since Obamacare.

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That is, that is true in most cases the but here's but, but
here's the thing, a couple real quick points I want to throw at
people and then we can do whatever you're going to do #1
most government, most employer sponsored plans are not
Obamacare. And those have gone up, correct.

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All insurance has gone up, mortgage insurance, car
insurance, etcetera. In fact, car insurance has gone
up 130%, I believe is the numbercompared to 100%, which is the,
the health insurance number. Mortgage insurance has gone up
like 75%. Life insurance has gone up like
65%. All insurance has gone up across

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the board. None of those except for
specific, a specific percentage of healthcare has anything to do
with ACA. So the, the, the, the, the way
to combat that is to be like, well, maybe there's a problem
with the insurance hierarchy in general.

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Insurance has gone up. Shipping insurance for truck,
for overseas shipping cargo containers has skyrocketed.
It's not has nothing to do with ACA.
So just, you know, if the entireinsurance marketplace is going
up, it makes sense. The health insurance is going up

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too. And the Super last thing on
Obamacare is Obamacare is, and I'm not even a huge fan of it
for this reason, I'm about to say Obamacare was passed as a
platform, as a infrastructure inwhich to inject into it

(01:54:18):
subsidies that would then make healthcare less so.
If you think of it as like a Jenga but with a bunch of blocks
missing. All the IT was the
infrastructure for which you could take Jenga pieces and put
them slide subsidies and slide them in to that Jenga tower,

(01:54:40):
which would then give it the stability of a Jenga tower at
the beginning of the game. I don't know if that's a good
analogy or not. I just came up.
With that, that's the perfect analogy, Yeah.
So. It's.
So it was just like a framework,if that makes any sense.
So. That you supposed to build up
on. Yeah.

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But the problem with it is if you don't have the right
president and to continue to build upon, it just never gets
built upon or gets taken away from.
Well, the biggest problem is that the president would have
any impact on it whatsoever. Yeah, You know, people say it
all the time. They're like, Jason, why do you,
you know, why are you such a fanof government?

(01:55:23):
Jason's not a fan of government,but I would defer to government
over corporations because I can run for Congress, I cannot run
for the board of IBM. Correct.
So government is what I have, the potential power, the implied
power to influence I have. I cannot influence NVIDIA or
Google. I can't even get Google to

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return an e-mail because my company phone number is wrong.
So you know. But anyway, there you go.
All right. I think that's it.
That's anything you want to say before we go, because we've been
going for a minute, I know. The only thing I'll just close
on is don't believe what you're like.

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We're not done in Gaza. No, that's the whole nother
conversation. There's no that what, what, what
what we are being told is peace is not peace.
It's going to get worse. That would be not what the I'm.
I'm super glad that the the killings have slowed down to the
amount that they have. Yeah, I'm.

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I can't tell you how happy I am about that.
That's a whole other. So we need to have like but.
Not don't believe anything that you hear about it being peace
there. That's fucking all that stuff.
It's not. Yeah.
And, and, and start paying some attention and I know you're

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going to care about this start. Let's start paying some
attention now that Gaza is at least curving away from
immediate death of millions of thousands of people to Sudan
where we are having that. Yes.

(01:57:15):
I've talked about the Uyghurs before, I've talked about Kurds,
but like, what's happening in Sudan is probably worse.
Yes. And we need to start paying a
lot more attention to it as Americans.

(01:57:38):
So, you know, yeah, Ukraine war is not going to end anytime
soon, I don't think. But we need to look at Sudan.
It's it Something has to be done.
It is just. Slaughtering.
People. Unbelievable.
And nobody's fucking talking about it.

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Yeah. There was a satellite photo that
you can see a pool of blood. It's just, you know, the UAE is
largely responsible for this andbut they're US ally, so yeah.

(01:58:25):
That is another conversation foranother day, unfortunately.
Yeah, this is. But that's all I got.
Let notify you a Dutch. I will be starting my Twitch
channel again remarkably soon. Tomorrow.

(01:58:46):
No, probably next weekend I'm trying.
Delvin will be one of the first people that I have on.
Yes. I am going to start doing my
Twitch. I used to do Twitch channels
where I would like turn on Tucker Carlson and then pause
him and explain why he's an idiot.
OK. Might not pause him as much

(01:59:10):
these days as I used to, but thebut I'm going to still do that a
little bit. But just Long story short, I
haven't done Twitch for two years.
I used to have hundreds of people, not hundreds, but you
know, around 100 people watchingme.
I went back and did a stream about 3-4 months ago and I was
like 9 people in there and I felt like I was wasting my time.

(01:59:31):
So I want to talk to somebody. So I'm going to have these
conversations. I'm going to try to be involved
in 2026 to help progressive candidates again.
So I'm just going to it might bewhere I have an hour
conversation with someone and then I do something else.
Yeah, maybe we can have some of those candidates.
On the show it's Dutch Jason on Twitch, DUTCHJASEN on Twitch, so

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you can follow me there or that's also my Twitter handle
and my sub stack. So there you go.
Yeah, maybe we'll have some of those candidates on this show to
talk to them, get some more clarity on certain things and
help them out if we can. Help out the ones who are
fighting for people. Yeah.

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Not for profits. Packs all right, as always
Delvin Cox experience, we are out peace.