Tariffs,Murders and Empathy Featuring Jasen Dutch

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Thank you. Welcome to the Delvin Cox

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Experience, the podcast which each week I'm on a one man
mission to United Coast University.
I'm your host, Delvin Cox. And with me on the podcast, if
special guests are a political commentator, our official
political commentator, I guess Ishould say my boy Jason Dutch.
How you doing bro? What up?
How you doing man? Doing doing pretty good, man,

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all things considered. Man, it's been an interesting
week. Or so I guess we say.
It's always an interesting week in America.
It's, it's amazing that it's only been what, that hasn't even
been a year yet. It's been nine months.
Like barely 9. Not even nine months yet.

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When's the last time I was on? Nine months ago.
No, wasn't. It it can't have been that long.
It was like May. Yeah, I, I'm, I'm contracted to
every 90 days and I feel as if, you know, you're a little late.
So that is that is a psych factual now I.
Here just to the listener. I don't get paid for this unless

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he's late. You know, you know, the crazy
thing about it is it felt like because so much stuff was
happening and felt like 90 days wasn't a no time because every
time we looked something else would happen.
So it's like, oh, here we go again.
That's the shitty part about it is like when you do part time

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shit like this, you, you know, you come on and then the next
day some ridiculous shit happensand then you're like, like, you
know, we, we had talked back like what was it a week before
Biden dropped out? And then like everything I had
said was completely thrown out the window, Although I did
predict it. Well, actually, I, I don't know

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if I predicted it. I, I urged for it to happen,
let's just say that. And then it did.
But I didn't think it was going to happen.
I, I did, but I didn't. But I'm not good at predictions.
Well, that was a pretty spot on one.
It was a spot on hope, you know,I guess my prayer worked, but
then again it didn't work so. Yeah, I what?

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I, you know, that's the whole, yeah, different conversation,
but maybe another day. But.
Right around the corner again. Let let's let's start this.
Let's start off the podcast. We usually start off with the
five of five. A lot of stuff look different.
Exciting. Let's do it.
I want you to give me 5 things that was positive since the last

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time you've been here. That's happened in this country.
That's been positive. That's happened OK so not like
personal things they. Don't care about your personal
life chasing. So, so I'll, I'll tell you.
So the the big one, I mean, I think the big one will, will,
will save. I don't even know if there is

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five like but 5 macro positive things so.
Yes, any, any. At this point, we just need to
win. What is what it what are you
Jason? There is one, there is one the
one big thing and maybe other stuff will come to me and this
was I was going to say this to last and I'm wait a minute,
where the 1st 4 going to be is that the narrative has shifted

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on Israel. Drastically so, I said.
That is a conversation we also can have.
Yes, and you know, it's I am a guy who I have to go by Jason
Dutch because I can't go by my first name because of criticism
of Israel. And this is for a guy who has I
have. Well, technically the Jewish

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part of my family is on my father's side, which makes me
not Jewish, but you know, because it's only maternal.
But the but I do have, you know,my ancestors are, are, are Jews,
right? They're Dutch Jews.
So, you know, like people are like, oh, you're anti-Semitic.
Yeah, I hate my grandfather, butyou know, it's I had to change

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my name because people were like, how dare you advocate for
Palestinians. And you know, that had been just
called anti-Semitic for a long time.
And now, shockingly, Tucker Carlson starts to do it and
nobody wants to call it overtly anti-Semitic anymore.
What a fucking shock. I will go one step.

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You know, it almost feels like even though she went extreme
with it, it almost felt like Candace Owens was the head of
the curve. Well, Candace Owens is Candace
Owens is anti-Semitic. So I'm not like, yeah, So like
I'm, you know, and then this is one of the things with her and
Marjorie Taylor Green now, Marjorie Taylor Green is
interesting case study because Ifeel like there's been some

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actual shift there on a couple of issues.
She's been on TYTA couple of times recently, which you know
that it speaks to TYT, but it also speaks to her.
You know, she's still going to come on there and like make
half, you know, half has comments about gay people and
stuff like that. But I don't think that she's

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like moving towards the left in any meaningful way.
But they're but they're but she is moving towards populism in a
couple of meaningful ways, and I'm I'm happy for that.
Right, like if it. I I also honestly think there's
a shift in a lot of people, including the people who Trump
brought in. Somebody made the comment that a

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lot of these people got in thesepositions not knowing what to
expect, like with the whole Epstein thing.
Yeah. And these people got in this
depicted they're like, find something that would blow
everything out, blow the lid offa thing they were coming to
quote UN quote, drain the swamp.And when they got there, they
became part of the establishmentand.

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Realized it's a lot more. Difficult to do than what they
thought it would. And they kind of like, what's
the guy named? The FBI director.
Cash Patel. Yeah, Cash Patel is the perfect
example of that. How he, if you look at his
Twitter from before he got in office to now, yeah, it's
drastically different. Even how he handled the

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situation. The fact that he and Dan Bongino
are in charge of the FBI is astonishing.
It's it's almost like we have a bunch of people who don't know
what the fuck they're doing running the country.
No, that's exactly like that, because we have a bunch of
people who don't know what the fuck they're doing running the
country. Pretty much, yeah.

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You know, there's so the narrative has shifted on Israel,
obviously, and like I said, you know, the Israel is A and and
really has nothing to do with is, you know, Israel.
It has to do with Palestine, let's be honest.
But you know, with Gaza specifically, but you know, they

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AIPAC is finally getting criticized.
And you know, the one thing I will say is like, like Breezy
Politics says, you know, a lot of stuff that's pro Palestine.
But like I always comment whenever I see Candace or even
Marjorie Taylor Green, but definitely Candace Owens, you
know, on those videos. Yeah, I'll definitely agree with
the words that are coming out ofCandace Owens's Owens's mouth at

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that moment about that topic. But she's not doing it for the
same reasons as I am, because I believe she is anti-Semitic.
And I think the people on the left need to be cognizant of the
fact that she has done a lot of very anti-Semitic things.
She might not be overtly like one of those people's like, oh,
I hate Jews. But like, she's suspicious of
Judaism. Like, she's suspicious of Jews

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of things just the same way thatlike someone could be like,
well, I, I don't trust, you know, I, I have nothing against
black people. I don't hate black people, but
I'm not necessarily going to go to the BBQ because I'm afraid
someone's going to break into mycar type of.
Thing well, I think that's goingto be a common theme for this
episode in terms of hey, just because you agree with somebody
on one thing, does it make them a good person or a bad person?

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It just makes you agree with them.
And I think that is the that's going to be a common theme
throughout this episode because we got a lot to talk about when
it comes to things like that. And I think that when it comes
to that situation with the Israel thing, these past couple
months have been very interesting because people who
normally would support trouble, things are turning.

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Yeah. And then what else will they
turn on? That's the question.
In ways that I didn't expect because, you know, the Epstein
thing I thought was interesting.I expect the people to turn.
On that's that's not over yet like they're that that's the
reason why we're seeing a lot ofthis.
I mean, the Charlie Kirk thing happened a couple days ago.
Yes, we'll talk about, you know,all this other stuff's going on,

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you know, and so Epstein keeps getting like it goes from it's
weird. It goes from like the surface of
the water and then gets sunk back down for a few days and
then it'll pop back up again in a week or two.
But they desperately want that to go away.
Yes, and what I found interesting about these last
couple months at least is you'restarting to see the same

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arguments that people made aboutBiden almost to the T like, you
know, he's weak on he's been weak on Israel.
Let Israel do whatever he wants to do, they want to do.
You kind of seeing the same thing about Ukraine.
They're starting to say you start to even see the things
where Trump is kind of showing alittle bit of his age.

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You know, he's he's dozing off there with the whole thing where
he was missing for like 3 AIDS and people thought he was dead,
which I didn't think he was dead, but.
No, I that I mean people let's let's people on the left are so
fucking stupid. Like we are we, we are we.
We have some real amazingly intelligent people on the left.

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We also have some fucking morons.
Yeah, that's both. Sides, you know, and, and it's
usually, I'm sorry to say this, bro, but it's usually the
fucking Hillary camp, you know, that that starts talking about
shit like this. Like they're just like, they're
so angry. The Hillary camp is so, the
establishment Blue Dogs are so angry all the fucking time.

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Progressives are angry too aboutstuff like, you know, like
you'll talk to, you know them sometimes, but and they get
angry also, but they're angry for a different reason.
But like, it's so hard to ally with these people sometimes.
I honestly think it's just a lotof people are disenfranchised,
whatever thinking that's. Definitely true.
And it's it's especially with the left-leaning people, but

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it's starting to bleed into the right wing people now.
Oh yeah, and it's glorious. What's glorious to look at?
Because frankly speaking, this nine months hasn't gone the way
they expected. Like, you know, prices of things
have actually gone up. The economy's no better is in
fact worse than it was. You can make the argument of.

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Oh, it's, it's the the economy is in a lot of trouble.
And so I've said many times on the show, I'm not an economist,
oddly enough. So like, I'm never gonna sit
there and say I'm an expert on anything.

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But about 7 or 8 months ago, I started this.
I, I was like, you know what? I'm real rusty on economics.
I've done nothing but economic study for the last probably four
months. OK, from a guy who like I, I, I

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usually delve into geopolitics, but I was like, you know, so
there's so geopolitics is, whichis why I knew a little bit about
economics because you can't study geopolitics without having
some knowledge of economics, right?
But like I started getting in really into marketplaces like
repo markets and swap markets and stuff like that.

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And I'm not going to go into like, you know, the details on
that because people can just Google what is the swaps market,
what is the repo market, etcetera.
And they'll, you know, they can get a better explanation of that
that. But I've been following a lot of
the trends and it's really been eye opening to what I have

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discovered and rediscovered, youknow, from like, because, you
know, we take economics classes in college, you don't
necessarily think about it whileyou're watching the Cubs game,
you know, So you forget a lot ofthis stuff.
And I was like, I need to brush up on that like I did with
history and geopolitics. And I'm like, I'm more convinced
now than ever that my assumptions about the economy

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were wrong. And they were wrong.
I thought the US marketplace wasway more resilient than it is.
No, it is in fact. You know, Trump wants, Trump
went into office saying that he wanted to revalue the dollar.
So the fact that the dollar is being devalued right now is

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expected. And you could even say that he
wanted that and you would be right because he was very vocal
about the fact and we even talked about this before that he
that he wants to devalue the dollar.
The way that he's gone about doing that, there is a
potential, not any, nothing is certain, but there's a potential

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for the dollar completely fucking crashing.
And if you look at the genius act that passed a few months
back, they brought in to it thisconcept called stablecoin.
And stablecoin is a cryptocurrency, de facto
cryptocurrency, I guess you could say, that is tied to the

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US dollar at a one to one ratio.It is my prediction based on the
studies that I have made and I'll make this prediction here.
I could be wrong and, and this might be something that doesn't
happen till next year, but I believe they're going to try to
transfer the United States debt into stablecoin and then devalue

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stablecoin, which will essentially cut the debt into,
you know, 705040 whatever percent.
And it depends on what they devalue it to.
And then they come back and theydo a gold revaluation and
eliminate the debt in that capacity.
Now that might sound genius to you until you look at what it

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will do to your retirement savings.
So one thing that I know for sure is that the thing to invest
in right now is physical assets.You know, So what I would say is
talk to a financial advisor or an economist who knows a lot
more than Jason Dutch, who doesn't know shit.

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I can just say that I know enough.
I've seen enough to say that that's that this is highly
problematic. And how Trump plays into this is
he causes uncertainty. The dollar has been powerful
because it was trustworthy. Yes.

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Now to be fair to Trump, he didn't start this, Biden did.
Biden started this by ramping upthe sanctions on Russia because
United States controls the financial marketplace through
SWIFT and other means. And they were like, fuck this.

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You know, they're, they're, they're freezing all of our
asses. I mean, when they did it to
Venezuela and Cuba, like Russia didn't fucking care.
But when you do it to your, to Russia, and then they've
threatened doing it to China andthey're probably going to do it
to India because Modi and Trump are like, I thought they were
going to be BFFS. And now they're like hating each

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other. Yes, But when when Biden did
that, the global marketplace waslike, yeah, we're going to shift
our money up out of U.S. dollar.So they started very, very, very
slowly letting go of a lot of these Treasury bonds.
Well, not all bonds, you know, they're, they had T-bills, T
bonds, T notes, etcetera, which are all different things.

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They're the same thing, but they're different terms and
started selling a lot of it intothese, you know, into the swap
markets and stuff like that. And when Biden, I'm sorry, when
Trump came in and did all these tariffs, they then they really

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expedite accelerated that because they, they, they don't
really trust the United States as a partner anymore.
And with this administration, well guarantees me nothing.
Well, let's, let's talk about this that you brought up the
tariffs and stuff. I got some stuff from the

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Economist that we can talk about, OK.
And I'll read verbatim what theysay.
It's since Trump's victory shareprices, they're talking, they're
talking about the stock market, to be clear.
Yeah. Stock market's relevant.
Has had a turbulent time. At first investors cheered his
return, but the stock market failed after the announcement of
Liberation Day tariffs on April 2nd.

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The partial reversement reversalof those levies have since
helped prices recovered just to above what they were on Election
Day. So yes, yeah.
And they? And just real quick.
Very turbulent. But let me get this out to be
turbulent. But to be clear, as of right, if
I'm looking at a chart, the stock markets as of right now

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are worse off than they were notonly during Biden and Obama, but
also at worse than Trump's firstterm.
As far as turbulence goes, yeah,like, so first of all, the stock
market's going to continue to goup unless there's a dollar
crash, unless what I said beforehappens or, you know, there's a

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couple other things happened. It's a reflection of wealth as
far as like the valuation of of businesses, right.
So it's very, it's, it's very closely tied to the success of
certain key industries. Which is like, like why when you

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see NVIDIA have issues that, youknow, Apple's going to go down
to, you know, but I'm not going to sit here and tell you that
Trump is going to crash the stock market.
I don't think that's going to happen.
I think that by the time he leaves, it'll be at a new all
time high. I also think I meant barring a
financial system collapse. I also think that during whoever

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is in office in 2028 to 2020 to 2032, it will go to a new all
time high. I also think that whoever wins
in 2032, it will go to an all time high.
That's just the way that the stock market goes, you know, So
like it's not a fair representation of the economy,

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the the economy that the way that you track things is really
with jobs and consumer data. And those are the areas where
we're having the most issue. Well, I'm glad you brought that
up because I have both of those things here.
Like like just real quick beforeyou even read that.

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So like let's say that just to give someone listening to this
an idea of what I'm saying. So let's say you have company X
company XS stock is going to be based on its it's it's PNL,
right? It's profit, profit and loss.
So if they they're going to makea projection and then if they
come in ahead of this projectionor below this projection, it, it

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in most cases impacts their stock.
So let's say that company X comes in and they forecast 5%
return, you know, increase in sales or in profits.
I mean, and they show 6% then that stocks going to go up.
If that 6%, however, was achieved by cutting the

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workforce, that is a net negative to the economy, but the
stock still goes up. Does that make sense?
So. Makes sense to me.
Well, let's let's get to a layman's term for people.
So I'll read these these figuresto you.
So this is all I can go check this out.
This is on the Economist. You can check this out.

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Consumer confidence plunged whenTrump took office.
It rebounded in June and July and then slid again in August.
Americans are starting to feel the pinch from the tariff war.
They also worry about losing jobs if the employers costs
rise. Unsurprisingly, the deepest
gloom is among Democrat supporters.
So there you go. That is the consumer part of it.

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Now, in terms of the labor market itself, America's job
market is weakening and some sectors, such as manufacturing,
have started cutting workers. In August, the economy overall
added just 22,000 jobs. And that'll be revised down.
Yes, forecasters expected 75,000new jobs in about the same as

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July. Last month, data contained a
similar NASA surprise with previous months strong data
revised down. The unemployment rate at this
time is still at 4.3%, which is low.
So. It's higher.
It's higher than it was when he came into office.
And also, so, so for people out there who want to pay attention

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to jobs, I had no idea what thiswas a year ago.
And so like I, I had, I had, I had heard of it, but I had no
idea that it was impactful. And that is the jobs report that
comes from ADP, not not the BLS report, the ADP report, which

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generally comes out right beforethat ADP is a payroll company.
And. Attracts it's used by almost
every employer, it's fucking monopoly like you wouldn't
believe and you know, so they ifthey say look, we processed, I'm
going to simplify this. We processed 14,000,000 more

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paychecks than we did a month ago.
Then you have 14,000,000 more potential jobs, right?
That so you can, you can look and say those go up.
And that doesn't mean that they're good jobs or bad jobs.
It just means more or less, right?
So, yeah. And so you kind of look at that
and they usually come out a couple of days before the BLS
report, which is the Bureau of Labor Statistics, which Trump

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fired the the, the leader of what, two months ago because he
was like, let's. Go.
It might have been sooner than that.
It was, I forget the lady's name, but he fired her because
he said she's. Like the numbers?
Yeah, and then they got worse under the new person, right?
So the economy revised down 911,000 jobs last week.

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Now to be clear, and you know this better than anybody, I have
no love for Joe Biden. I am not a Blue Dog Democrat,
right? Like, so it started under Biden.
The majority of those jobs that were lost were revised down from
the Biden administration. So if we're going to speak
honestly about things, we have to be honest about that.

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It did accelerate under Trump. It has been worse the, the, the
last couple of months. So next year's going to be
worse. But that report comes out in
July. I don't remember exactly what
month it goes from. It's March, April, May, whatever
it is, I think it's May to May. So the majority of that is under

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was revised down under under Biden.
The The thing is, though, that Trump was elected specifically
to fix the economy. Now you can make an argument
that the economy was weakening and that would be true.
You could not make an argument that the economy was broken
under Biden. And my argument is now that it

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is breaking, it is not yet brokein, but it is breaking.
You are you're probably not going to see inflation.
I'm going to guess that inflation is going to not the
inflation that we were expecting.

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I follow two different YouTube channels like I for economics
that, that I follow a bunch, butthese two guys like say
different things and they both seem trustworthy, but they have
completely opposite views, right?
So the, so you have to go to like a lot of different places
and get a lot of different information.

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The so one guy will say, you know, inflation's coming.
The, the mainstream media will tell you the tariff inflation is
coming. I believe that that is true
because 2 + 2 is 4. You know, if you if you increase
the price of a good, that leads to an increase in in the price
of that good. But it's not always inflationary

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because what happens is they shift the price ends up going
shifting to a new base price andthen inflation is tracked off of
that base price for the next term.
So like if let's say for examplethat ATV cost 100 bucks and then
the price shifts on the TV the next year and the price on it is

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120 bucks, yes, inflation took it to that price.
But then the inflation starts tobe measured from the 1:20
instead of the 100, right? So.
We have to keep in mind that up until this point, companies,
most companies have been eating the cost.
Of they they have which is whichis something Trump predicted
what he was correct upon the question.

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The question though, is the the answer though, is he's not going
to like the the the why they arethey are doing what he said they
were going to do is not does notreflect well on him and that is
that they don't trust him. Similarly, the stock market
keeps going up because investorsdon't like they believed him the

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first time they put on tariffs. After that they're like, this
guy's fucking full of shit. He's Taco, right?
So they're the stock market justkeeps going up because even
though he says tariffs are coming this month, now they're
coming in two weeks. He's the two weeks, two weeks
again. Trump loves two weeks.
So you, they don't believe him, Neither do these guys.

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They're, they're, they're these,these businesses are holding
prices back, which he predicted.They're eating the cost of the
tariffs, which he predicted. But the reason why it is
happening is because these retailers see that consumer
demand is down. Crazy people are not spending

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money. Dollar General's stock has been
going up wildly. What does that tell you?
It tells you that people like myself who make 6 figures can't
afford to live. So we shift to to Dollar

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General, where previously we've been shopping at Whole Foods.
You know, so like, I'd never shopped at Whole Foods, but you
know, like. You go, you go.
From like Target, right? Like Target is, is having issues
because they are, there's a perception that they're
expensive. And then Dollar General said,
look, we can't even raise our prices because they, they're

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afraid to raise their prices because they're afraid that
they'll lose their sales. They'd rather they'd rather make
a small margin on a lot of salesand a big margin on a few.
Amazon Prime did Prime Day for three days and still and still
slumped. Yeah, they still slumped because

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they, their people just are not spending money.
If we do not have a record-breaking holiday season,
we are going to be in trouble. And I don't think we are.
But that's the reason why you haven't seen inflation because
you have the upward push of tariffs versus the downward push

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on prices from slumping consumerdemand, which end up offsetting
each other in a gradual rise of the deflation of inflation.
But we are in what appears to bebased on the M2, which is the
monetary, the amount of money inthe economy in a deflationary

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trend. So it's just fascinating stuff
to keep an eye on. And like I said, I am not
someone who people should take economics advice from.
Well, you know, but but so I encourage people to go and like
educate themselves on this stuff.
Well, let me ask you this. I want to challenge you alls up

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a little bit because I know we're saying people are spending
less, but there are certain, it seems like on the surface people
are spending less on necessitiesas opposed to luxuries.
And what I mean by that is I don't, I don't, I know you don't
follow wrestling or UFCS, stuff like that, correct.

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I watch a little bit of it, but I mean, I don't I I used to be a
huge WWF fan back in the NWO days, but not anymore.
So WE's ticket prices have skyrocketed.
WWE since they got bought by TKOand the mergers and stuff like
that and UFC, their prices have skyrocketed.

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Man, it used to be like ticket prices used to be you could
probably take a family of four in AWB event for like 100 and
5200 dollars maybe to buy the tickets.
Now it's more like $1500 and on.But but the crazy thing is
they're still selling out. Yeah, that makes sense because,

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you know, you go to, I've been to a couple of concerts lately,
you know, like I wanted to go toMetallica when they were here in
Houston, but I ended up not being in town that weekend.
Like Metallica, you couldn't geta ticket.
Yeah. You know, so stuff like bars and
grills are still like packed. Yeah, you know, people are

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spending money on out. So like people are spending
money, but what's? Also, I want to bring this up to
you too. This is also another important
factor. I don't know if you heard about
this, but both, well not even both.
All three. Since Trump got an office, the
PlayStation 5, the Nintendo Switch and the Xbox all received

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price increases. That's not surprising because
they come from Japan, so and youknow, Japan is having their own,
yes. And all three systems, well two
out of the three systems are still selling pretty well,
especially the the new release Switch 2 that came out it, it's
so like gangbusters with the increases.

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So it feels like what's going onin the economy is people have
money for their luxuries, but not it's.
Weird day-to-day and, and the switch actually caused, you
know, some, some positive consumer spending in the month
that it came out. But, but if you took away the
switch, it went down, which is weird because, which is weird

(33:51):
because like you would think that that would not have any
impact on anything. But I guess what you could say
is I guess people had saved up for it or more likely they
charged it. Yes.
So credit card debt is ridiculously high right now.

(34:19):
The which which goes back to theunderlying issue and the thing
that I've said for years. So like when I talked before
about like I, I knew a little about economics.
I knew that we had an upward transfer of wealth and I knew
that that we were being that every all the wealth was being
siphoned. I didn't, I just didn't realize
how. But if you look at so the US is

(34:46):
in 30, six, $37 trillion worth of debt.
Yes, I'm in debt. Most people are in credit card
debt, student loan debt, mortgage debt, etcetera.
Mortgage debt is might, might get better, might get worse, we
don't know. But but like credit card debt
specifically and student loan debt specific, those two things

(35:07):
our way up. Personal loans are so easy to
get now. I get personal loan offers all
the time for like 8%, which for a personal loan is actually not
a terrible rate. But they're sending these things
out because they need to, these banks need to generate more debt
to, to, you know, generate more loans to increase their, their,

(35:33):
their portfolios, right? So they can then repackage that
debt and sell it to somebody else.
But who is not in debt? The top 5%, you know, so who,
you know, where is all the US government's debt?
Who, who does that? Who does the US government owe

(35:53):
that debt to? Most of it is to the top 5%.
So everyday people are going into debt, the government's
going into debt, the rich who just got a tax cut, there's an
upward transfer of wealth in this company that's causing
income inequality. That is going to, that is the

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real true underlying issue that is going to break the economy,
which is why I've always said and, and, and if you're out
there saying that, that we need to tax, and I used to say this
too, that we need to tax the rich, you're right, but not tax
high income earners to the pointwhere it was 90% like before.

(36:34):
That's not going to move the needle.
You could do a 90% income tax onall income over $1 million and
you wouldn't move the needle. We need to figure out a way, and
I don't know how to do this. We need to figure out a way to
tax wealth, not work. It's the it's the wealth that

(37:01):
needs to be taxed because the wealth is already in the hands
of the top 5%. Taxing their income is going to
do nothing. They'll just move it into
stocks. Or gold or whatever, because
that's, that's what they do. They figure out, you know, so
they say, ah, we didn't get anybody this year, so I don't.
Think that the only people you're going to hurt is the guy

(37:22):
who might be liberal but makes $400,000 a year, you know, has,
you know, maybe like some like NASA scientists or something
like that, he'll get taxed more and then he'll turn
conservative. Yes.
You know, so now do I think thatit should be 32%?
No, I think you should probably be at around 5055% once you get

(37:43):
over $1,000,000. But but to get even if you got
it to 100, if even if you taxed 100% over like 1.5 million in
income, you still aren't going to solve the problem because the
wealth is already they already have the wealth.
Yeah, well, since we're talking about that part, let me bring up

(38:08):
the whole thing. One of the things that Trump was
brought in for, that people wanted Trump for was the the
deficit. Yeah, he's fucked that up.
Yeah. And since, you know, they, we
had the whole thing with DOGE come again to cut these
programs, to cut all these systems, stuff like that.
And since that's happened, the federal deficit grew 92 billion

(38:29):
to nearly 2 trillion since he's,since he's been in office.
And that's even as the tariffs increased the revenue.
So even with the tariffs, the the the deficit has gotten a lot
higher. Yeah, and tariffs are regressive
tax, by the way. Yes.
So, and if you don't know what aregressive tax is, listener,

(38:51):
it's a tax that is disproportionately burdened by
regular people. We pay that.
Yeah. The government doesn't pay.
That we pay a progressive tax would disproportionately tax
wealthier people. Tariffs are a regressive tax
because a higher percent of our income is used to buy basic

(39:13):
goods. Basic goods is what is going up
with the exception of gasoline, which is going down, which is
not necessarily a good thing because the energy sector is
about to cut a bunch of jobs. Conoco Phillips just announced
they were cutting jobs. Chevron just account announced
they were cutting jobs. There's going to be a crisis in

(39:34):
Texas and they're going to somehow blame Democrats for it.
And I the, and then that's really the main issue is the
Democrats have still not figuredanything out since the last time
we talked. The the left has produced yet

(39:58):
another astonishing candidate inZoran Mondavi.
What is the the Democratic establishment trying to do to
him? Anything they can to get como
in? Yes, they're painting him as a
socialist and all these things and they're trying to make him
the biggest bad guy in the world.

(40:18):
You remember India Walton? Yes, I think.
Yeah, like they're doing the same exact thing they did to
India Walton in Buffalo. Now it may, I might not work
with in in Zoran's case because he's, let's be honest, he's not
a woman, so it won't be as easy.It also.

(40:39):
But he is, he is, he is Arab. So you know the.
The public's distrust in the Democrats in general, is that a
low? So anyone?
Which is which should tell you something.
Yeah, they are. They are trending lower than
Trump. Yeah, it that I don't even know
how to wrap my head around that.You would think like I, because

(41:03):
people like me are I, I'm never going to support that party
until they make a fundamental change and they're, they have
shown no Chuck Schumer. You think Chuck Schumer's going
to just give up his power? You know, Hakeem Jeffries is a
fucking joke. He's a joke.

(41:24):
You know what? What was it that Charlemagne
called them? AIPAC Shakur.
You know, like it. Hakeem Jeffries is a joke.
The guy's so weak. He's so pathetically weak.
It's so disappointing. That even with everything that

(41:47):
happened where the Democrats essentially lost everything,
people still are asking them to fight.
And they're not fighting for thepeople.
No, they're not. Not.
At all. Not at all.
Once in a while, one of them here and there, Marjorie Taylor
Green is fighting more for the people than the Democrats are.
Yes, and people and the people see that.

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Words I thought I would never utter.
Yes, people see it and people don't want to support it and I
think they've they've met us to disenfranchise their own
audience. Yes, you know who's fighting the
most right now? Josh Hawley and Bernie.
Yes. The two you would expect the

(42:31):
most. I have no love for Josh Hawley.
I mean, he's always been a populist, but like and it's and
I always get mad because like hesays the exact same things that
Bernie said 10 years ago, but Bernie got called a communist.
Josh Hawley says it and they're like, oh, he's just fighting for
the people. But like those are the only
three that I can, not even a OC.I think that's the.

(42:54):
I think that is the biggest difference between Trump's first
run as president and this run, because in his first run, you
had people like AOC that people were kind of look like, oh, this
is OK. They don't look great.
But you have these candidates that you had that you see that

(43:15):
feel like the future of the party.
Ilya, AOC, you know, you had those people, that people that
felt like, OK, this is where theparty is going.
And even at one point you could say Cory Booker was that also.
You can make that argument. He's a joke too.
But as time went on, they've managed to weaken all of those

(43:36):
candidates to the point where they're almost non existing and
it. Oh, but thank God Kamala wrote a
book though. I mean, that book is going to
save us all. Yeah.
And to be clear, this is not on the Republicans.
No. This is their own.
This is Democrats doing this to themselves.

(43:58):
That this is this is this was anI told you after the election,
you asked me what good I said, look bro, there's a silver
lining here. Because if these people think
that they can lose this guy twice, go back and listen.
I said if they think that they can lose this guy twice and keep
power, they're crazy. Yes.
And that remains true. It's just going to be a slow

(44:19):
crawl. This next upcoming cycle in 2026
is going to be interesting. Have you seen this dude in
Maine? Who's?
Won. The senatorial candidate, I
forget his name. Owen.
Hold on. He's a veteran Maine Senate

(44:43):
candidate. SENATI can't spell Senate
Graham, plantier or planter. This guy is awesome.

(45:05):
So far it seems like you see him.
You'll be like this guy's MAGA all day long.
OK. He's running against Susan
Collins and I would encourage people to check out his
platform. OK, interesting.

(45:26):
And he's a Democrat. He's a progressive in every
meaningful way that I have seen.I don't know his stance on guns
and honestly, I don't care. I own guns like I, I'm, I'm at
this point, I'm done with the gun conversation as far as like,

(45:48):
it's, it's not going to change. Like we, that's something we
have to take care of on a local level for now.
So we can address that down the road.
Right now we need to fix our economy because and and try to
get people healthcare because you're not going to see the the
the real fix to the gun problem.Delvin, and this is something

(46:10):
I've been consistent on for a long time.
The gun problem is obviously we have to make guns, but you
couple that with the fact that we don't we can't even get basic
health care, much less mental mental health care, you know, so
people can't get the care. This, this fucking abhorrent
asshole who fucking murdered Charlie Kirk is clearly had a

(46:35):
mental health issue. You know, all these mass
shooters, like they, they, they have a some on some level,
there's a mental health issue. Well, let's let's let's get to
it. Duchess, since you brought it
up, you know, we just had this past week has been really
tragic. Let's just say that for a
multitude of reasons. You know, we had the Charlie
Kirk murder that was all over social media, which I am so

(47:01):
still is. And, and when I say the murder,
I mean the actual murder itself.Like, you know, and that's one
of the things, I think in my opinion, that's one of the
horrible things about social media in terms of how you can
literally watch somebody die andit's there forever, essentially.
Yeah, it's, it's, it's a very scary thing, especially being in

(47:23):
that space ourselves. Yes, you know.
And I'm no fan of Charlie Kirk. No, not even.
Not even. The guy's views were abysmal.
He's a a parrot. He's racist.
We'll get to the little bit of that a little bit later, but I
would never want my family to watch me die on the Internet.
Yeah, and honestly, these peoplewho are like, you know, finding

(47:47):
joy in this, I don't be my friend.
Well, I, I, I want to get to that part.
We'll get to that part right now.
So for those who don't know who,how you couldn't know because
this has been a thing this took out over the news the last
couple days. Charlie Kirk was essentially
assassinated at one of his political rallies where he has
to debate things. And it led to a very mixed

(48:08):
response. They have people celebrating it.
They have people acting like a national hero just passed away.
He got like floated Air Force tohis body, got floated Air Force.
To yeah, that was ridiculous. It's been a it's been a big
deal, but and there there spent several Congress members
threatening to have people deported, have people arrested
for saying have to lose it all pretty much cancel culture if

(48:31):
anybody say a thing about Charlie Kirk.
So the party who was once Raven against cancer culture is now
applauding it, which is a whole other conversation.
But I want to bring to you this,Jason, this.
Was by Jordan. Jordan was the GOAT.
What I was, what I was going to say was this situation reminds

(48:52):
me a lot of the George Floyd conversation.
And what I mean by that is when George Floyd was murdered, the
the other side was making the argument is why are we
celebrating this person? He was an awful person in life.

(49:13):
He did this, he did that. He he sold drugs, he did drugs,
he did this. He's a terrible person.
He should not be championing whatsoever.
And then this side was like, this guy was murdered.
Cold blood is a horrible thing. We're not necessarily
celebrating the person. We're talking about this tragic

(49:37):
situation that happened and why was nothing done about this and
how we stopped this. And you know, you know, would
would the George Floyd's situation happen?
Even even to this day now you see conservatives making jokes
about George Floyd's passing. Oh yeah, everyday.
Making jokes about his passing, saying that he died from a

(49:57):
fentanyl overdose and things like that.
And now we go to today where youhave the other side, which I
don't agree what I'm doing, making jokes about Charlie
Kirk's passing, joking about thethings and saying that he was an
awful person. And conservatives say have some
compassion and don't do these things.

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This is a horrible thing. This was the man who had a
family. Yeah, well, he was a horrible
person. Let's be honest.
I don't take joy in his death. Like that's a, that's a, that's
a completely separate like to golike he look, this is what I'll
say to I think this is very simple.
Our ideas are strong enough on their own.

(50:39):
We can win in the marketplace ofideas.
Yes. I don't, I don't want to make a
martyr of him because the kid who did this, who I'm not going
to say his name because I don't believe in saying the names of
murderers and mass shooters and stuff like that and giving them
more, more notoriety. I mean, his name's out there

(51:04):
and, and, and there's, there's an interesting conversation
around we're going. To talk about that in a second
too, that's a whole other conversation, but.
But all he, all that person did,just like the person who tried
to assassinate Trump, all they did is make our job harder.
Yes, but also I think the conversation behind it is a very
interesting one because of the fact that when did the situation

(51:28):
happened? A group of people, I won't say
everybody, a group of people hadtheir own ideas of who this
person was who did it. They were saying it was a trans
person. They were saying this, they were
saying it was this far, far left-leaning person.
And and media outlets was reporting this like like like

(51:51):
senators and stuff like that wasreporting this.
Like this is the type of person who did this.
And the constant thing that I kept seeing over the timeline
was this is a war, this is the war, this is the war, this is
the war, this is the war. And words have meaning and words

(52:12):
are powerful, right? So when you say things like this
is a war. Like Jesse Watters.
Yes, you're inciting violence. Yeah, and it, and it and it was
interesting because. So that story's been very
interesting. Well, for a number of reasons.

(52:34):
Because once they found out thatthe shooter was a white male.
Well, that we knew that that that.
Was we? Didn't we?
Didn't we? Didn't it was in Utah?
There's like 4 people that aren't white in Utah, you know,
like that. So like the the idea that it was
a white male is not shocking, but.
Once once it came out that it was a white male who came from a

(52:57):
Republican family. Then Nancy like like people like
Nancy Mace were like, let's these these people are she
shifted her narrative from thesepeople are demonic, literally a
180 to let's pray for this person.
They want they need Jesus and that's what Charlie would want.
Like as soon as the demographicscame out.
Now this guy almost certainly was was gay, but I but but the

(53:28):
idea that he's on the left is a little bit weird.
Well, I wouldn't even say he wasalmost certainly gay.
I wouldn't even go that far. We don't know.
Like he, he. There's been stuff that came out
in the last two hours that strongly imply that he that he
is gay. OK, that literally is like the
last two hours. Apparently the roommate is like

(53:52):
non binary or something and was his allegedly well, they were in
a relationship. Now whether or not that is true
or not I don't know, but what this but there's they've also
the the the governor of Utah also had said that this kid had
been radicalized by college. Bro went to a trade school,

(54:13):
yeah. And that, and that's kind of my
point when I was saying there's so much stuff that's coming out
that people are like just running with that.
And online too, by the way, he went to a online, he went to
online Community College and then to trade school.
So now there's also been a lot of reports that he, based on the

(54:34):
bullet casings and some online posts that he was a griper,
which is a Nick Fuentes guy. Nick Fuentes even assumed it was
one of his people because he said I don't condone this.
This is not what I wanted so. Also, he's also been consumed to
be a gamer because some of the. Definitely a gamer like that

(54:57):
part we know is 1000% true like.There were moves for video.
Games in there, Yeah. Some of the cases had like moves
for video games and had things from video game like hell divers
and stuff like that. Like sayings from the games and
stuff like that. Yeah, and they're and and he so
a lot of the stuff that was the dude seems to be hyper online,
which means, which is why it looks like a griper or I was

(55:21):
going to say a boogaloo and my first thought was it was a
boogaloo guy. But like that movement kind of
died out. But the people are still there.
And like so, the Nick Fuentes camp hates the Charlie Kurt camp
because they don't think the Charlie Kurt camp is extreme
enough. Well, let's get let's get to
that, because it's before his passing, a lot of these same
people who are saddened by his death were criticizing Charlie

(55:44):
Kurk. He was getting a lot of
criticism from his peers. Yeah, there was even a rumor
going around that he was going to like turn on Israel, which I
don't believe is going was the case at all.
But the when it comes to the ID,the, the, the worldview of the

(56:05):
shooter, I haven't really made alot of comments yet because
there's so much like, first of all, this person's still alive.
So especially with an administration in power that
just gave Gossine Maxwell just transferred one of the world,
the the most notorious trafficker of women in the

(56:28):
history of the world. They just gave her a sweetheart
deal and moved her to a Country Club jail.
Yes, I am going to be very personally I'm going, and this
might sound conspiratorial, but I'm going to be very, very
hesitant to believe much that comes out from this

(56:49):
administration on this kid because he's alive and I would
not put it past them to offer him a sweetheart deal to just
come out as an overt leftist. Now that is only my opinion and
that is based on absolutely nothing except for my gut

(57:09):
feeling. I'm just saying that's the, the
I can't get that thought out of my head.
Now if he turns out to be a leftist, I'll first of all, he's
not a leftist. And I can tell you, I, I, I can
tell you that I can tell you that for a main 1 main reason.
I am a leftist. I used to be a conservative.

(57:32):
It took me 8 years to get where I'm at.
You don't get radicalized by theleft.
First of all, there's no radicalization that happens on
the left. If I were to say anything, he I
don't think he's a leftist or orright wing.
I think he's a person who's fed up.
He's disenfranchised with the country.

(57:53):
He. I my guess, and this is only my
guess, is that he's a self hating gay.
It's possible, yeah. I don't know this for sure.
This is just kind of like where the evidence leads me at the
moment is to suspect that he's aself hating homosexual, which is

(58:14):
sad in its own right because that's kind of the that that is
Charlie Kirk was one of those people who and you know, who
kind of made the the environmenttoxic for gay people.
He has black. People for that.
Matter his yeah, but I mean, of course, but like this particular

(58:36):
conversation is is about, you know, the possibility of him
being gay because he's definitely not black, you know,
so I that is my suspicion. It is only a suspicion.
I would if I had to bet money, I'd bet I'm right.
But you know, like he's he was we know he was hyper online.

(58:59):
Yes, we know that he used griperterminology specifically, most
of which is troll. Troll from the troll verse,
right? Like the stuff that was written
on the bullets. Like it's like sarcastic.
Yes. It appears or he could have been

(59:19):
trolling the troll. Like when you have a person like
that, they could be trolling thetroll people like I, I, I don't.
Know it's edge Lord humor. That's what it's described as.
It's what? Edge Lord humor.
I have no idea what that is. You know the edge Lord is.
No. OK, let me give you the
definition of edge Lord 'cause this is a thing that's been a a

(59:41):
thing for a while. So a a edge Lord is a person who
effects a provocative or extremepersona, especially online,
typically used used as a man. So as Lord is somebody who kind
of like just takes extremist views on everything and trying
to like just does things for like the shock value almost.

(01:00:05):
Yeah, it I, I had never heard that term before that that may
very well be right. But I think what what I want to
say is I'm not going to make anyjudgements until we know.
And and like I said, if this kidhad been killed, like the the

(01:00:25):
kid who tried to shoot at Trump,then you like, you don't really
get the ability to find out whatthe ideology is.
They're going to find out like what the ideology is on this
kid. He if you're hyper online,
unlike the Trump shooter, there's going to be a massive
amount of information like they have disc, they have this kids
discord, everything. What I am worried about is

(01:00:47):
whether or not a cash Patel LED FBI is going to release
everything or just the stuff that suits their narrative,
which is sad, but I'm going. To get to that right now.
Like I, I, but I don't know what, I don't know how to
disseminate all of this. So my hope is that he, he, well,

(01:01:11):
let's just put it this way. And This is why I say this as
someone who grew up in an evangelical Christian Republican
home where Ronald Reagan was like second to Jesus.
You don't change that world viewin a day.
This is, I've called Candace Owens fake for many years.
I believe she is genuine now. But like we're talking about

(01:01:33):
Candace Owens circle. Like in 2018 she had been a
liberal like 2 weeks before you know like so she turned for for
a reason and her reason it was money.
She's a grifter. Yeah, she grifted and like that,
that so like what I, that's why I, I, it seems to me that like,
he's like, maybe mad at his parents, but the idea that he

(01:01:57):
was like advocating for universal healthcare or, you
know, the abolition of weapons, you know, any, any true like
left-leaning ideology. I, I'm, I, I'd be shocked.
I'd bet you a dollar that, that,that you'll never find any stuff

(01:02:18):
like that. But to the right, unfortunately,
the fact that he is likely gay is going to be enough to
characterize him as a radical leftist and the, the mainstream
Johnny Johnny centrist is going to believe it and we're going to

(01:02:39):
lose. And that's unfortunately what's
going to happen. And why do I say that?
Because it's what fucking alwayshappens.
Because no one listens to peoplelike the, like us.
They make assumptions based on ameme.
And the that's why I get mad about the leadership of the DNC,
because they don't even know howto combat this stuff.

(01:03:00):
Well, let's get. Well, Speaking of leadership,
let's get to it. I don't know if you saw this,
but the Kash Patel is facing notonly criticism, but he's going
to be facing congressional hearings after his missteps with
how he handled this assassination and the probe and
everything that's been going on with the FBI.

(01:03:23):
Yeah, well, as he should, I mean.
Because for those who don't know, after the shooting
happened, they announced they already had the the killer
twice. Twice and both times they didn't
have the killer. As a matter of fact, they didn't
catch the guy who actually did it.
The guy who actually did it was turned in by someone by his
father, wasn't it? Yeah, by his dad.

(01:03:46):
And good for the dad, by the way.
Yes. You know, I can't imagine as a
father like I, I, I believe I would do the same thing.
In fact, I know I would, but butit's that's got to be just
heartbreaking. Yeah, you know, but and and I

(01:04:08):
don't, I feel bad for that family, even though they're the
ones who and that's The thing islike, so let's let's try to put
ourselves into into into someone.
This this kids had for one quicksecond, unsuccessfully.
This is not going to be perfect,obviously, but like when you
rate, when you're, when you growup in an Uber conservative home

(01:04:29):
with guns as part of your life, you are expected.
The behavior in a certain manneris normalized.
Like the FAFO is like a normalized thing, right.
So like there's, there's a lot of people in gun culture and,

(01:04:51):
and who own a lot of guns and they're just itching to to
commit justifiable homicide. Now I'm a gun owner.
I have no interest in killing a home invader.
I'd rather just show them the gun and let them run.
There's a lot of people like whykeep 1 gun here?
I keep 1 gun here. See like if you if you own a

(01:05:12):
shotgun. But what you should do as a
ethical human being is put birdshot, birdshot, buckshot,
slug. I don't want to kill the person
first, but if you come after thebirdshot and after the buckshot,
now you get the slug brother. These guys put the slug first

(01:05:33):
because they can't fucking wait to fucking kill you.
You know, I had a gun pulled on me recently by like one of these
assholes and thank God that the guy didn't fucking shoot me over
a road rage incident. The dude saw my I'm in Texas,
I'm driving around. This dude didn't like the fact

(01:05:55):
that I pulled in front of him and then drove the speed limit.
He wanted us because by the way,in Texas, like whatever the
speed limit is, add 30, you know, but I'm in a work truck.
I can't speed. I got a fucking thing in there
that says how fast I go. So the guy follows me into he
lays on his horn, follows me into a parking lot.
I thought he was going to ram mycar.

(01:06:17):
He stopped right before he got to my door.
So I jumped out of the car because I'm like, is this guy,
what's this guy going to fuckingdo?
So then the guy sees I'm 6 foot and he is picks up his foot.
He looks over and he picks up his gun and he's holding it and
you know, I have some, some a little bit of martial arts
training and like, I'm way bigger than this guy.
So I'm like playing it cool. And then the dude looks at my

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license plate, which is Ohio plate, by the way, and I'm in
Texas. He thinks it's a California
plate gun was the immediately because of the license plate and
license plate only it accelerated that.
And he pointed the gun right at me.
And I'll be. I'm not going to lie to you.
I was a little bit nervous. Yeah, you should.
You know I. Don't know if you know this
Dutch You're not Steven Seagal. No, but you know what's funny?

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I was good. What what was funny comes this
completely sidebar conversation,Obviously.
But like what was funny is your instincts say to move away.
But I also knew that if I moved away that I have I was less able
to defend myself than I was 4 feet away from him.
And so I've, I focused specifically on his finger.

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His finger never moved over the trigger.
The gun was pointed directly at me, but he never put his finger
on the trigger. And it was going like this, like
he was wanting to move it. If that finger had moved towards
that trigger I was going throughin my head, what would my
instructor have told me to do? Right.
And I'm like, OK, like you like,I'm like, OK, 123.

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This is like exactly what and I'm probably you're not going to
be fast enough, but you have to like try, you know what I mean?
So I stood my ground and like, but the point is not that.
The point is that he saw my license plate and that was
enough to drive him. I would have hit.
He knew nothing about me other than I was a white dude with a

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out of state plate and that was enough to he was like you're a
gay loving blah, blah, blah. You know, I'm get the fuck out
of Texas, etcetera. And I'm like, dude, these are
Ohio plates. He's like Ohio's woke.
And I'm like JD Vance from Ohio and the guy.
And yeah, I literally said that to the guy and, and like with a

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gun pointed at me. And because I'm like trying to
talk my way out of it at this point.
And he was, you could see the perplexed look on his face.
But I eventually got out of it. Cops came and did absolutely
nothing, as expected, of course.But you know, but the point is
like that guy was raised in thisculture, right?

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The shoot first ask questions, layer culture.
That is not a leftist ideology, obviously.
And to circle back to the original point, even if he had
been quote UN quote radicalized,you don't lose all of your the,
the the 18/19/20 years of his life where he was conditioned to

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live in a certain way doesn't just go away.
You don't lose your core values.You don't like there and I tell
people this all the time. I I was so programmed into some
stuff that like when I hear the word atheist today my I still
think evil for a split second before I remember that that's

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bullshit. Yes.
When I hear black on black crime, to this day, I still
believe it for the first microsecond that I hear it
before I remember. Because those things are so
ingrained into you over your lifetime, you can't just get rid
of them. Yeah, it takes time to learn to

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to, to unlearn behavior like youwere taught these things from a
child. So when you get older, you have
to I learned the things you weretaught.
That's part of your core, your core thoughts.
So. It's part of growing as a human,
but like you don't just all of asudden become a new person
because you went to six months of online Community College, you

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know? But the so like, I have no idea.
I do, but I this does seem to becredible that the person he was
living with was non binary and that it was that and that it was
a partner, but it's still alleged.
But that but that's going to be enough.
But it seems to me that the guy was like gay but but nobody

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knew, including his parents, because he he didn't want to out
himself. Or maybe he was like, you know,
bisexual or whatever. But that's going to be more than
enough for them to be like, oh, he was a radical leftist, you
know, and that's every other piece of evidence outside of his
sexual lifestyle points to the opposite.

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They're only going to focus on that if this turns out to be
true, which it looks like it is.But on the other hand, Gays for
Trump is a thing. Yes.
You know what I mean? Like blacks for Trump is a
thing. Like so like these.
These groups are not monolithic.There was also, you know, doing

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all the, the Charlie Kirk, I guess, people trying to prove
that he wasn't racist. People were posting videos of
him talking to gay people and black people in the ways where
he was like, hey, well, do you do, are you Republican?
Well, you're all right with me. So that is quite the thing.
You know they they don't care aslong as they have your vote.

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Yeah. So the I don't know how you feel
about this. I know Haas and I talked about
this a few times. I don't know, Have you ever had
Haas on here? A long time ago.
Yeah. So I do not believe that hate is
a necessary ingredient for racism.
I don't believe that in order tothat that that in order to

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source to do racist things that you have to hate.
I think that you can fear, I think that you can distrust.
I think that you can have, you know, not apply benefit of the
doubt and those things are stillracist.
I agree. I think I think that most
conservatives think you that racism specifically means I hate

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black people. Probably cause and and I will, I
will add to this and you can andI and This is why I agree with
that. It's because, to put it bluntly
and I'll be in as blunt as possible, a lot of races what to
fuck black people and other races.
One of the more racist guys thatI know is married to a black

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woman. Yeah, it's a common thing.
They'll sit there and have. They'll say these atrocious
things about black culture. And have a.
Black husband or black wife? Yeah, 'cause they're one of the
good ones, you know, It's, it's,it's the I have a black friend.
But like, that's like what I said before, but are you going
to the BBQ? Yeah, I have a black friend I

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like. You know, these black people are
terrible. But this one guy here, he's all
right with me. There there was a story that
that I've told a few times back when I did dig on America, I
talked about this a couple timesand this kind and this is all
relating to like the difference between what you and I might

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call bigotry and what like a right winger might call bigotry.
There's a there's a difference. They think that like in order to
qualify as racist you have to bein a white hood dancing around a
burning cross in Mississippi. And anything short of that has
enough plausible that might denyability to not be racist.

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Like even Mark Fuhrman who threwaround the N word like it was
going out of style had a job on Fox News right?
Like so you know, but the story that I would tell is this.
So I used to live in a St. North Aurora, IL called Oak
Crest and Oak Crest would have aBBQ like a a block party thing

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every couple months and like they'd just do a block party and
like the people would barbecue and the kids would play and it
was great. And like there there was a black
dude that lived 5 or 6 houses down from me.
There was a lot of black people in that neighborhood.
But on Oak Crest there was only like 2 two out of like maybe
1520 houses were like black people.
And so like, we'd have the blackparty and like the the black

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neighbors would come and, you know, their kids would be there
and people would hug them and like, they'd be their best
friend and like, you know, take pictures and like, they, they
like the guy. Like he was accepted into the
black party. Nobody would have ever thought a
thing until it was his turn to host and the cousins showed up

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and suddenly everyone had a soccer game that day.
Like the turn out for the the block party was like 30% of
normal and people would come andthey'd stop by and be like, oh,
you know, we can only stop by for a minute today because as is
normal, like sometimes you, you'll have your friends and

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you're like, hey, I'm hosting this time.
You want to bring the family over.
And he did that. Like he did the same thing
everybody else did. So the cut, but so it.
But it was uncommonly, you know,uncommonly.
I don't even know the word to say, you know, populated by by a

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few more black people than normal.
And I guess that scared people. So do I think that my neighbors
were overtly racist? I don't think overtly, but
implicitly, yeah, I do, yeah. I think there's, there's that
could be levels to racism. I, I, I don't disgroup that.

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I think there's, there's, you know, they are the Nazi level
racism, but there's also microaggressions that can lead
to higher aggressions. I'll give a perfect example.
That and bringing it back to theCharlie Kirk thing, when the
assassination happened, for somereason it had nothing to do with
black black people, but HBCU were getting death threats.

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Who was? HBCUS, historically black
university colleges. I thought you said ABCUI was
like what the hell is ABCU? No, no.
Historically, black colleges were getting death threats after
Charlie Kirk death. And as you know, black people
had nothing to do with this. Yeah, but.

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But Oh, no, it has to be PatriceCullors has to be behind this at
some, in some way, yeah. So, so of course, anytime
something like this happens and there's a, a white man
assassinated, they, they, they, the first thing that happens is,
oh, we got to do something aboutblack people.
And this is just a common thing,like where, you know, situations

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that have nothing to do with black people and black culture,
we get added into and we get rung up in down to things that
it is, it is, it is. It's no way.
It's no better way to put it. But it's overtly racist.
Yeah, I the that part is definitely overt.
And, and the thing and the thingabout it is it's more overt.

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I think a lot of things this year has been more overt than
usual because throughout the years there's been little
microaggressions, microaggressions,
microaggressions that's been happening that people was like,
oh, why, why does this bother you?
Why does this bother you? Like, you know, they do things,
hey, affirmative action, you guys don't need that anymore.
Why, why are we still doing thisfor you guys?
You know, they've been doing things saying it's not a racist

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where it's clearly racist. And now they're just out in the
open with it, pretty much. Yeah, and like.
Like even. Even I'm not a huge, I'm not the
hugest fan of affirmative actionmyself, to be honest with you.
And like, and and not because ofanything against affirmative
action, it's itself. But like I, I think the data

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shows that affirmative action mostly helped white women.
So I think that you kind of haveto let you kind of had to like
look at it, look at a something different than that to try to
or, or it it needed a fundamental change.
I guess is what you should say that I and when I the idea of
affirmative action is a great idea.
The the way that it was implemented systemically was was

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obviously not effective. It was flawed.
Yes, it was it was flawed. It helped a lot of people, but
it was also flawed. But the I think the Charlie Kirk
conversation is perfect. The a perfect edit loss about
racism because you have people saying, oh, Charlie Kirk was a
great man and he did this. He did that.
He was a person of God. But then when African Americans
bring him like, oh, he was very racist and very offensive.

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He did not. He said atrocious thing about
black people like, oh, those arejust words.
Why are you worried about that? That didn't define his
character. Like no, that actually defined
his character. Like when you say overtly racist
things about black people and saying that we don't have the
intelligence to fly planes and say that maybe we should go back
to segregation times and things like that, Yeah, those are overt

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racist things. Yeah, I hadn't.
I don't watch Charlie Kirk like so when I did, I used to do a
Twitch channel and I used to watch right wing content like I
Charlie Kirk was not one of the people that I watched.
So I don't have a lot of contextof Charlie Kirk I watched.
You know, I'm glad you said that, because I'll.
Give you some like victory. My big guy that I watched a lot

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was Tim Poole and Matt Walsh. Those were like my 2GO TOS
because they I just loved breaking them down and making
them look stupid. I didn't really mess with
Charlie Kirk too much. He wasn't that.
But but I will say one thing though about Turning Point USA
and this is anecdotally, I did debate people and I posted this

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on Facebook. I don't know if you saw this,
but I, when back in 2019-2020, Idid host some Twitter spaces
with TPUSA, like they're, they're, or they're in the field
organizers and stuff like that. Like they, they have their own,

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like, you know, some of these guys are twitch streamers and,
and podcasters and stuff. So I, I debated a couple of
people. It's one guy, Graham.
So the guy Jeff, I debated them and when Charlie Kirk was killed
and I don't even know if they were like they like personally
knew him. I just knew that they were TPUSA

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like it would say that like is in their in their shows, but I
like I felt bad for them becauselike even though these guys were
like they have, they have abhorrent views.
My I went up against them in debate and I feel dog walk to
them. They were wholly unprepared to

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debate me. And like Rashad Ritchie, like,
for example, Cenk Hugerner, theydebated Charlie Kirk, Hassan
Piker was debated Charlie Kirk. Like a lot of people who debate
these guys, you know, they've they've felt kind of bad because
they're like, I kind of knew theguy, right?
Like, so I was sad about it because I know that like as much

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as like Jeff, I think Jeff is a vile help has vile views.
I still realize that he kisses his kids.
I still realize that like his wife loves him.
I still realize that he has a family.
I still realize that, like it's at the end of the day, it's a
human being. And I believe that my that, that
we, like I said, battle on the on the battlefield of ideas

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because we have the winning ammunition, so to speak, in that
regard. And like when you're when you go
and you know this, like you've talked to conservatives before
and like before the camera comeson, you'll say something like,
Hey, you're from Minnesota. Did you see?
What do you think of that new quarterback or like, oh, I know
you like Marvel movies, Like what do you think of the new
Avengers movie? Like you talk about just like
normal stuff. Like, and that's always

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important to do is like humanizethe person.
We, we used to do something on Dig on America.
We stole from you and we told you we stole it from you.
It was called the four down territory.
And we would ask people like, you know, we had a conservative,
we'd have conservative, like congressional candidates come
out. We'd be like, all right, what's
your favorite breakfast cereal? But we would ask them just like

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dumb questions before you get started just to try to like make
the debate less so you're it's less toxic.
And because I think we did that and I'm just saying it was good
or bad or like right or wrong. But like, you do kind of like
see the humanity of the person on the other side of the aisle a

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little bit more. And for better or worse, I felt
really bad for them, you know, and that's why I like I and, and
I hope that they felt that they would feel that same way about
me if the tables were turned. You know, I think Jason was a

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radical leftist. I think he was warped his brain,
whatever. And maybe they're right in some
capacity, but like, but he was agood like he was an honest
debater and like he was nice to me in person.
At least say that, you know, like I so like, does that make
sense? You know what I mean?
Like I, I don't, it makes sense.I don't think that.
And I understand why people are angry and I understand why some

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people are laughing. It is not lost on me the irony
that he was literally killed in the middle of a logical fallacy.
Yes, correct. About guns like that, irony is
completely not lost on me. I shouldn't say irony
unironically. You know, like in the in the

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middle of making a logical fallacy about black gun deaths.
Correct. He was gunned down, yes.
That is just astonishing to me. But pointing that out does not
mean I am glad that he was gunned down, because I'm not
glad that he was gunned down. I would have rather humiliated

(01:24:54):
him in debate than than this. Well I I'd rather him fail
miserably but live like he. He can live his life but just be
unsuccessful in every way form afast.
I wish people would stop promoting these grifters.

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And I'm saying this in terms of both sides.
There's these people who don't really give a fuck about you or
anything you stand for. They just want to get there and
get as much money as they can. Well, they're already using his
death. I got a text message yesterday.
Donate to TPUSA. We're going to like his wife.
Did you see her press conference?

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I saw it. Like she on the one hand I felt
bad for her because she had unspeakable trauma the day
before. Yes.
But on the other hand, that was war language.
I I and that's go about what I was saying earlier, the how
people are using these things. They're saying these things and
words matter. That's the key to this, the

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words, man, when you start talking about war, you started
citing violence. Don't be surprised when people
start reacting with violence. Unfortunately, and I will say
that, and I'm also saying this because look, Charlie Kirk
wasn't a good person. He was the type person who said,
and this is some quote from him directly, he said black women do
not have the brain processing power to be taken seriously.

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You have to go steal a white person's slot.
He was talking about black womengetting jobs, essentially.
Yeah, it doesn't surprise me. Like I said, I never watched a
moment of his of his show, so I can't speak to whether or not
that's true or not, but it doesn't surprise me in the
slightest. Yeah, and those are?
Like there's Jason is not sad, Ijust would rather win on the

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battlefield of ideas, you know? Then then have him made a martyr
and rejuvenate what in a lot of ways is a dying movement.
Correct. You know, the only thing that's

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keeping it from dying is the overt weakness of the Democratic
counter voice, you know, and the, and the constantly telling
progressives and to a point evenDSA and you, you know, I have
no, I can't fucking stand most of the people I've met from DSA,

(01:27:29):
like just obnoxious pricks, Although the ones that I've met
at least, but like, but even they have their act together
when it comes to the conversation, You know, they
know what they're talking about.They're smart.
They're, they're they, they, they have the right talking

(01:27:50):
points. They just do it obnoxiously, you
know, and that part I don't, I don't like the obnoxiousness, I
guess is the point. And and you see how I interact
with people online like I, I don't name call or at least I
try not to name call. The the.
So I don't. Know Charlie Kirk is the same

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person that said this quote he put this on Twitter.
You can look this up. 70% percent of black babies are born
to unmarried mothers. If we're going to fake black
poverty in America, we must get fathers back in the home.
Black fathers are more involved in the day-to-day activities of
their kids than white fathers orHispanic fathers are, based on a

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2013 poll by the CDC. Correct.
These are the things that he he he would spout.
Yeah, but, but, but when has anyone ever said what I just
said to him? Never.
No one has ever said that to himbecause they selectively pick
opponents who don't know what the fuck they're talking about

(01:28:58):
90% of the time. Except when he went to.
What was it, Cambridge in England?
Think it was Cambridge. Yeah.
He got his ass kicked there horribly.
You know, you're going up against Cambridge law students.
You're fucking done, dude. But like, generally speaking,

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the the clips, like that's The thing is like they live off of
these, you know, like Ben Shapiro started this.
Ben owns, you know, lefty. I guarantee you that if I talk
to Ben Shapiro, I might not evenwin.
But it's not going to be Ben owned Jason.
Like I'm not going to make the clip, you know, with because
they just, they, they always argue in this way where they,

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they use logical fallacies to the point where they sound like
more, they sound reasonable to the third party listening to
them. You know, it's not about it's
not about changing the mind of aright winger when you do a
debate. It's about the casual observer
who doesn't know and just happens to be listening into the

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chat. Yes, that's the person that your
target should be, never your opponent, because especially
when you're arguing with the right winger, they're never
going to admit they're wrong. Correct.
And that's how it usually. Goes I'm literally in the middle
of a Facebook debate right now with someone who's trying to
argue that Hitler was on the left.

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You think I'm going to change his mind?
And, and, and that goes to my point from earlier about, about
these whole conversations you have.
We're at a time where people areliterally trying to change
history. We write history into what they
want it to be. Charlie Kirk, by all accounts,
was an awful person who had an awful thing happened to him, but

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that does not make that awful thing the awful thing happened
to him was an awful thing, but that does not change who that
person was. He spouted hatred and bigotry.
He wished that he wished the people that like me, were still
in segregation. He wished that trans and gay

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people didn't exist. He said a lot of awful things
about a. Lot of people and and just one
more thing. I'm I'm sorry.
Let me go beep. The the fact that I'm supposed
to have a massive amount of empathy for someone who had who
devalued 65,000 dead Palestinians to the point where

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they were had their lives had noworth whatsoever.
Yes. And then and, and every single
one of those 65,000 dead Palestinians was every bit as
alive as he was before they weremurdered.
And every single one of those 65,000 Palestinians deserve,

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especially the children, did notdeserve what happened to them.
They were innocents. And Charlie Kirk dehumanized
those people. Yes.
And if so, if you think that I'mgoing to be like cry, cry for
Charlie Kirk, I'm not. But I also am not going to

(01:32:20):
cheer, cheer for somebody who islike, you know, fuck your
feelings. You know, he got what he
deserved type of thing, because no human being deserves to have
a bullet put through their neck.Unless you're on the Epstein
list. And then maybe I'll make a case
for you, you know, like if, if, if you're a murderer or a

(01:32:43):
pedophile, I can make an argument where I'd be OK with
with putting a bullet in someone's neck.
But like, but, but anything short of that, I just don't
think that that's the way to do it.
It's my, my personal opinion. You can disagree if you want.
I'm not a person who celebrates death, but at the same time I'm

(01:33:08):
not going to complain, have sympathy for somebody who
wouldn't have sympathy for me ifI was dead.
No, I have no sympathy whatsoever.
I have empathy for his children to a point.
Now on the other hand, his children are never going to pay
for anything for their entire life.
You know, they're they're going to get jobs in with the

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Republican Party just because ofwho they are.
They're going to have they're going to have doors open to them
that like they're never going tothose kids are never going to
want for anything their entire life.
I have. They also are without a dad and
that part is really sad. I have sympathy for those kids,
yeah, because they're going to be without a dad and they're

(01:33:51):
going to, and unfortunately they're going to grow up with
the same rhetoric and hatred that they're.
We don't know that we could be pleasantly suppressed.
Based off of their mother. Yeah, but well, you know what?
But but you know what? They the the right wingers right
now saying that these that this other kid, the the kid who
killed him got radicalized and that they and people can turn

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maybe again, I told you that I don't think that's true.
But you know, I've seen I came from a conservative household.
You know, it's, it's possible that one of these kids could
gently be better, you know, and,and, and they're going to grow
up in a different world than this.
You know, those kids are what like 2.

(01:34:36):
So like you know, by the time they.
Think they're older than that? That by the time that they're 20
years from now, when those kids become relevant, like I
honestly, I'll be honest with you bro, I don't even think
Baron Trump is like anything like his older brothers.
I. Don't think he is either For not
for, not for what I've. Seen he?
He seems like a perfectly nice kid, you know, like, I don't

(01:34:58):
know, I could be wrong, but likehe but it just seems like right
now that he's probably a perfectly nice kid.
You know, I'm going to judge Barron Trump by Barron Trump,
not by Eric. Yeah.
So, you know, but but my point though, is that and, and the
reason why I bring up like all the doors that are going to be
open to this, to these kids is like, I do have sympathy and

(01:35:21):
empathy for them, but not to thepoint because of all those doors
that are going to be open for them.
Not to the point of where where I would have that same sympathy
or empathy of, you know, the father of, of someone who was

(01:35:41):
killed by a police officer, you know, who was unarmed because
nobody had like you don't have this sort of nobody thinks about
them. They're not going to live a life
where they get a job for Ted Cruz, you know, just because of
who their dad was. You know, obviously I'm
exaggerating, but, you know, like, they're there.

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There are so many people who arevictims of, of crimes and get
nothing from society afterwards.These kids, you know, how many
people are murdered in the United States every year?
How many of those kids have doors open for them?
These kids are very unique in that instance into what is going

(01:36:25):
to be in their future. This doesn't make them bad.
They don't choose their parents,you know, but like, so I do have
sympathy and empathy for them, but not to, but like, I have
more sympathy and empathy for, you know, the, the, the kids of
victims of other crimes than I do for this particular one

(01:36:45):
because of the monetary benefit that they're going to get.
So. I, I, I, I don't know.
Maybe that makes me a bad personto say that, but I don't know.
It makes you a human. But I will, I will say this
before we go. I think we, we, it, it would be
a crime. Not to mention 'cause we didn't
talk about the last time the shootings of the Minnesota

(01:37:06):
legislators that happened also. Well, yeah, you have.
And that's the other thing is you had the shooting of the
Minnesota legislators. You had the attempted
assassination plot of Josh Shapiro, you know, so like
there's that's on the heels of, you know, the they tried to

(01:37:26):
abduct Gretchen Whitner in Michigan some years back, couple
years back, you know, like thesethis political violence is
definitely a problem. And it's on the rise.
You know, you've got, you've got, you've got these, these
people, these guys who, the guy who killed these, these

(01:37:47):
legislators, like he had a, a hit list, like, you know, with a
number of names on there and it's like it didn't even happen.
Yes, and for I'm going to let, I'm going to put people up to
speed for those who don't know. So on June 14th, 2025, Minnesota
State Representatives Melissa Hartman was assassinated in a

(01:38:08):
shooting earlier in her Brooklynhome in our home in Brooklyn
Park, MN. With her husband.
They killed with her husband Hartman, the leader of the
Minnesota Democratic House Partycaucus, was killed alongside of
her husband Mark. Earlier that morning, State
Senator John Hoffman and his wife Yvette were shot in their

(01:38:28):
home in nearby Champlain and hospitalized.
So. Yeah.
Police responded to the attack on the Hoffman and the Hoffman's
checked on the Hortons home, where a man fired at them.
The shooter escaped, sparking the most extensive manhunt in
Minnesota history. So earlier this year, it was

(01:38:54):
literally the most extensive manhunt in Minnesota history and
we don't even talk about it. They caught the guy and he's
being felony charged with murder.
I believe so. I read something earlier today
and I don't know if this is true.
I read so asterisk on this because it may just be some
online bullshit that I read. I read that I think it was that

(01:39:20):
case where someone put up money to bail them out and Charlie
Kirk said that person was a patriot, the person.
Who bailed? The person who bailed that them
that killer or tried to bail outthe killer or whatever.
He Charlie Kirk suggested that made a joke suggesting that

(01:39:43):
someone should bail that person out and there'll be a patriot.
The person was not bailed out. OK, so the person that he was
talking about was a hypotheticalperson.
Correct. OK, yeah, I like I said, I had
never read that before. My I I had almost no exposure to

(01:40:04):
Charlie Kirk other than. I watched the surrounded that he
did like 2-2 months ago and you know, an occasional clip online
and he was, I did see him when he was on TYT, like during the,

(01:40:26):
the DN, the RNC or the DNC, you know, he had some populist, he
had a couple of populist views. And I would say this like some
of the TPUSA people did have some populist viewpoints, which
made it a little bit easier to talk to them than some others.

(01:40:49):
Still a disagreement on like 98%.
It's, it's the problem is it's just so hard to get around the,
the, the implicit racism and theovert homophobia like that.
That's the part that's just so hard to get around.
It's like they just fucking hateMuslims and gay people.
Like, like you wouldn't believe,you know, And like they, they

(01:41:15):
want to talk about things like white privilege and like, I
don't have, name me one privilege that I have that you
don't have. And like how these people can't
answer that question is just astonishing to me.
It's a super easy question. Benefit of the doubt.
I get more benefit of the doubt than you do, Delvin.
It is easier to grant me plausible deniability, benefit

(01:41:41):
of the doubt that I have good intentions or will work hard,
etcetera, one second after meeting me than it is going to
be for you to a lot of people. That's correct.
That is, white privilege has nothing to do with money.

(01:42:05):
It has to do with how seriously you're going to take the words
coming out of someone's mouth and extend them credibility.
That's correct. But they have good intentions.
That's all it is. It's no deeper than that.
It's no shallower than that, youknow, white.

(01:42:31):
The extension of white privilegethat I get is not extended to me
because someone on the other side of the table is a racist.
It's extended to me because the other side of the person on the
other side of the of the table has implicit biases that they
haven't reconciled and sometimesdon't want to.
In that case, then they have a little racism.

(01:42:52):
But you know, and, and that implicit bias is also found in
AI, you know, in job search engines, you know what I mean?
So like, it's, it's there. It's just I, I'm sorry, but it's

(01:43:14):
real. Yeah, think that is the perfect
way to end this episode. And that's a conversation for
another whole other day, Jason. Well, I appreciate it man.
I mean, we'll see what happens with the with this situation and
we'll see what happens with the economy and we'll see what

(01:43:34):
happens with Ukraine and Israel.Yeah, I imagine we're probably
going to be talking a little sooner than later because we're
already in September. Oh the 11 super fast point they
so Israel just story for people to keep an eye on.
Israel bombed Qatar. Yes.

(01:43:57):
Trump had given Qatar a securityguarantee for them signing the
Abraham Accords during his firstterm.
Guess that had no teeth. Yeah.
So I just wanted to point that out.
I'm quite sure I'll be having a conversation about that really
soon with someone. I asked my hoop and Itchen to

(01:44:19):
come on here and talk about the whole Israel Palestine thing,
and I'm quite sure they're goingto have a lot to say about it.
I look forward to listening to it all.
Right, Dutch, let me notify you yet.
So I just discovered sub stack. I'm on sub stack now date Jason
Dutch literally as of yesterday.Delicious.

(01:44:39):
I I I just joined blue sky. I haven't posted yet.
So my sub stack is Jason Dutch JASEN and my twitch and my blue
sky are both Dutch Jason JASEN. I do want to get back into

(01:45:04):
Twitch streaming again. I've been on hiatus for about a
year. I will get back into that
shortly, especially once the I'min air conditioning.
So once the summer season's over, I'll get back on it and
I'll tell you guys what my firststream back, I'm going to have
Delvin come on to my first stream back.

(01:45:25):
What do you say? I'm dev sure.
Yeah, we'll, we'll, we'll do that and talk about stuff and
then after he hangs up, I'll talk shit about him.
Perfect. That's how that's how it should
be. All right.
Thank you for listening. As always, delve a cock

(01:45:45):
experience. We're out.
Peace.

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