The Delvin Cox Experience 371 Featuring Lorrin Hubbard

This week my guest on the Experience is none other than Lorrin Hubbard. This episode we discuss how social media has changed the way elections are won, His forray into the political landscape and much more.

Episode Transcript

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Welcome to the Delvin Cox experience, the podcast which
each week I'm on a one man mission to united culture
diversity. I'm your host, Delvin Cox, and
with me on the podcast, it's a special guest.
You may have seen him on Dig on America at some point in time
before Dutch canceled and wrote the whole show.
I got my boy Lord Helperdon. How you doing brother?

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I'm doing pretty good. I'm doing pretty good.
I can't complain. Dodgers won the World Series, so
I'm good for the next six months.
I'm quite sure a lot of you knowJackie fans going to be very
upset with that comment, but it's the truth.
Yankees blew it, so that's on them.
You know, as Big Poppy would say, Yankees loose.

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As always, like to start the podcast off with a 5 for five,
five questions, 5 minutes to getthe ball rolling.
Lauren, Are you ready? I'm ready.
All right, perfect. Question number one.
I know you're going to still previous episodes.
I know you put some thought to this.
All the serial mascots have a big brawl.
Who do you think's winning? Oh, oh, you know what?

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I have a fear of birds. I'm going to say toucan Sam.
OK? It's just his beak is abnormally
large and I just watched this video about some like dinosaur
bird in Australia that. Is like.
Blue and No, I'm good. Yeah, I get.

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It I'm. Gonna say it.
You can't say I'm the beak of death.
OK, but to be fair, there also is another bird, the Cocoa
Puffs. Bird the Cocoa Puffs Bird.
Yeah, but he's crazy. You just got to throw some
chocolate out. He's like.
That's a good point. He's out of it, He's out of it.
That's a good point. There's also the rooster from

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Cornflakes, but I think he's just a rooster.
I don't I don't count that rooster because cornflakes are
trash. Let's let's not kid.
Ourselves, that is true. How often did you as a child
when your parents got you like cornflakes?
Like, not often to put some sugar in this shit.
That's a terrible. And.
Get like half a pound of sugar, just put it right into

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cornflakes to this day. My wife.
My wife likes like all these like crisp fixed and like Chex
corn. Those are not real cereal.
Like, you know, I get a little alittle teaspoon of the sugar
drawing. Those cereal box does not have a

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mascot. I am not eating it.
No. Give me something somebody are
going to box at least King Vitamin.
You know what I mean? And the marketing for cereal was
so much better as a kid because I legitimately thought that
like, I had to go if I didn't get the box of Cinnamon Toast
Crunch, that my mom would never get it because it's the taste

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kids can see. And so like, I had to be the one
to like here, mom. Here's the taste, yeah.
Yeah, you know what? I can I even though like the
knockoff generic brand of CinemaToast Crunch also hits.
The only thing that I can't do knockoff is Pop Tarts.

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Pop Tarts knockoffs are terrible.
They are awful. It's not even comparable.
No, it's not. They taste like cardboard.
They're terrible. Yeah.
Don't, don't, don't take knockoff pop tarts.
Just say no. Just say no to drugs.
Just. Say no.
To knock off pop tarts two things you probably say well you

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can say maybe the drugs put on the drug say maybe the drugs say
no to knock off pop tarts the. Dare Lion would would come back
to haunt me from 6th grade. Look, talking about you made a
pledge. Look, not going to lie, Dare
might have failed like all the wrong people I know who who

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don't who do drugs. I'm like the one who doesn't
like they're like damn, might have failed.
You know, I, I, you know what itreally, what really is missing
is you remember when we used to have dare back in the, we used
to bring in like someone who waslike, I mean, there were a
reformed crackhead into the classroom and like you got to

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talk to him and he would be like, oh, Nah, damn.
Like, I don't want to live that life.
That's what they need in school.Today the problem is they should
bring in an actual crackhead exactly like not like not a
reformed an active crackhead He's.
Talking about. Yes.

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But like, like I, I, I just got to the point where I am like,
OK, doing gummies. OK.
Right. Like I, I feel like OK, because
I had a, a fear of prison that is.
My grandmother. Worked in prison.

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I I just drugs. Legitimately scary.
I just want to go to jail for drugs.
I I I still actively have that fear of prison.
You know, it's a, it's a really good deterrent prison.
It gives you perspective, right?I had a buddy of mine who was
like, you know, we were all sitting around drinking and

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talking and he's like, you know what, man, even as bad as you,
you think your life is right now, it, it could be so much
worse because look at it. Listen here.
I got a buddy who has sex two times a day.
He gets to read a new book everyweek.
He gets, he gets his meals everytime.
He gets meals three times a day squared at the same time every

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day. But he's in prison.
That sounds terrible, like. You know.
It reminds me of I Know my my myblacklist list.
We'll get this Tom Dubois from The Boondocks.
Episode. When he counts there, I'm not
going to prison. I don't want to get anyway

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raped. Yeah, yeah, I'm.
I'm about that Tom Dubois life like I'm, I'm, I'm OK.
Yeah, I can't even experiment. Little reflexes are just too,
too strong. I can't even do it.
Yeah, All right, question #2 before I get canceled, all

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right, let me ask you this. What is the weirdest promotional
sandwich you've ever tried? Like.
Like I'm talking like, you know,'cause you know, like every
restaurant has like promotional sandwiches, Like for example,

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Burger King had the, the Black Whopper, the.
Wendy Whopper. No the black whopper though, no
the the Wendy whopper is a different one.
They had like one that was made with like squid ink or some kind
of. Like.
Yes, it was just straight up black.
I think the Wendy's, the Wendy, what is not, I don't think is it
black. It might be the same.
I think it's the same one that they just they just.

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Started to make. It with Wednesday Adams yeah I
I've never had it you know what I so here's I haven't had it.
I just actually legitimately sawthis marketed 2 days ago and I
maybe go now as the West Coast director of the Big Back and

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Black Club, I know some good food.
And so this was a Philly cheese.A chopped Philly cheese in a
Philly cheese. OK, I kid you not, they made a
Philly cheese steak sandwich, chopped it and put it, added

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more cheese and put it in a sandwich.
Well, they are trying to give usheart disease and.
They're. Like wondering why black men are
dying at young ages. It used to be gun violence.
Now it is like food. It is, it is, it is the Peach
cobbler that's running through my veins.

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But legitimately we, I was like,you know what, I would try it.
But you probably shouldn't try that, Lauren.
You probably. Should not try that.
That is not good. We're, we're, we're, we're a
step away from having a Hot Pocket.
Hot Pocket. It's a hot.
Pocket flavored like a Hot Pocket.
We got to draw the line somewhere.

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We can't keep doing it. Eventually we all just dying at
46 so we just eat all the junk. Man, Hey, Quincy Jones can make
it, man. Oh, what is it like Marlon Wayne
say, if magic could still have AIDS?
Yeah. At this point in time.
But he's rich. We're not rich.

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That's true. We're poor.
We can't afford. To think they can afford to get
these things. That's true.
We're screwed. Question #3 Lord, what is the
dumbest thing you think you've ever done as a kid?
And don't say anything. This will get us arrested.
I don't want to. Yeah.

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Damn, that's a good one. I don't know, I thought about
that. You know, I've there's probably
a whole bunch that I have done as a kid.
That was just why, like looking back, like why the hell would
you even do that? Yes, but nothing I'm not like
nothing like really like ultra nefarious.

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It's like it would be like dumb stuff like trying to prank
people and like slap mouse like actual mouse traps.
People like leaving them as they're like in their lockers
and oh, you're. From the Tom and Jerry people.
Yeah. And then I like would like

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subsequently got it done to me and and figured out like, oh
shit, this hurts. Yeah.
I was trying some painting people.
Or. Stuff like it.
Or stuff like, you know, we would go TP like back in like
junior high, we would all we would be riding our bikes and
like, you know, just have a 24 roll under the arm TP somebody's

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house. And we made a mistake one time
and TP D the wrong house and it ended up being a a a sheriff's
house. And he came after us and God
knows how we all like we scattered in the neighborhood.
But my friend Steven Gio meany he had like, you know, mountain
bike, but the gears weren't right.

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So he was. His chain was all messed up.
He got black corn. He got caught.
He he said his name Steven Joe Mania.
He said like he got caught, you know?
And he took, he took it though. He took it though, because that
was like the number one rule. It's like, you know, stitches,
Snitches get stitches. That's a rule from way back.

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You got to take it like Young Thug.
You got to like, hey, you got tohold this out, homie.
It was me by myself. Yeah, you can't get out.
You got to hold that out. You got to hold that bed and
hope, hope to get a plea deal orsomething.
You can't do nothing. It's got to sit.
There Oh, you know what, now that I think about it, I wasn't
really that young, but this is agreat story.

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I met someone this is their likeI'm 36, right?
So I'm 16. I have a phone that can go on
the Internet and they had chat rooms and whatnot.
So I met this, I met this young lady and I told her I was 19
because she was 19. And we're talking and like, you

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know. I'm trying to get Chris, trying
to get Chris Hansen. OK, I got it.
Trying to quarter, you know, andshe called me and my mom
answered the phone and she was like, excuse me, who is this?
And she was like, oh, this is Sarah.
Oh, this is this is Lauren's mom.
And who are you and how how old are you?
And she's like, I'm 1919. This boy is 16 years old.

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And I was, I was, I was devastated.
You tried to get her Chris Hansen.
Try to get this lady Chris Hansen up.
You know how this looks, right? I know, I know.
Pop up in this lady house. Yes, and so Needless to say I
will never let my kids have a self.
Yeah, that's that's that's smart.

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That will be wise. Just as soon as you see the
drive board, just take it. Throw it in trash.
As long as I can help it. Yeah, if, if necessary, you can
throw it in the trash and just yell Kobe, Kobe.
All right, question #4 Transformers, Thundercats,

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Voltron or GI Joe rank them one being best, 4 being worst.
But in this case, none of them are actually the worst.
They're all great. You know what, as far so I'm
going to I'm going to look at itfrom the lens of like longevity

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and relativity to from from backas a kid to today.
I think arguably Transformers isthe is the icon, right?
Like it is. It's like movies.
It now has this other animated series that's doing well.

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It's spinning off to a new GI Joe.
But you know, Transformers was just there's something about
just Optimus Prime saying I am Optimus Prime.
Yes, it's just like iconic. But then I think of of like
probably the next one would be Thundercats.

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OK. Although I think of Thundercats,
it's almost, it almost gets blurred with like Thundercats
and Sundar the Barbarian. Do you remember that one?
Yes, I do remember Thunder the Barbarian.
'Cause he had the lightsaber sword.
Yes, 2 very different sub shows by the way.

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Yeah, by when I was watching it,I was like, I was like a
toddler. OK, gotcha.
So probably I would say Thundercats.
And then what was the other one you said Voltron probably last?
Voltron's last OK. Yeah.
Voltron and GI Joe, that's the last two.
I said yeah. Oh.
GI Joe. I do like GI Joe.

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GI Joe? Yeah, I'm gonna put a three, OK.
That's a That's a fair list. Transformers 1.
Voltron 2. No Voltron.
I know. Correction Thundercats 2.
GI Joe 3. Voltron 4.
Yes. OK, that's a fair list because,
you know, those are all great shows regardless.
So, you know, hard to rate thosein any or any way, but yeah, I

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like it. Yeah, ultra man all.
Right question #5 Lauren, Zombieapocalypse happens, Walking Dead
style. You're going to take 5 things to
go out in the world and survive anything you want.
What are the five things you're taking to survive so you don't
die in those first moments of the zombie apocalypse?
Your family and pet doesn't count by the way.

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They automatically coming with you.
So I used to be a Walking Dead fan, really love the show,
really easy to like the show now, like Daryl's in France.
I'm just like, what's the point?And like now, like having, do I
have the knowledge that I do that there is no cure for this

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thing Like there is you just continue living till you die and
turn into one? Or am I oblivious?
Because that's really going to be the key.
Because if I know, I would say Iknow.
I'm just, you know what? I'm out.
I would say that you wouldn't know that you wouldn't know
there's no cure. Let's just say that, yeah.

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So there is no cure. I think you got to have.
You got to have a a handgun justjust in case or just in case,
because if it got anywhere closebefore I turn, I'm just, I'm
just going to. I would probably take a bag of

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potatoes. OK, handgun potatoes of.
Course, wherever I go, if I do decide to make a go of it, like
potatoes are one are a self germinating thing.
I can plant, I can cut them, plant them and then they'll grow
and I'll have more potatoes. So I don't really have to like

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do a whole lot of like cultivating.
I'm not I'm not a gardener, but I would think I would need some
kind of food source. OK, that potatoes usually grow
pretty quickly. Yeah, that's.
Good. I think you got to have some
kind of melee weapon like a samurai sword machete like

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machining it out just in case because you run out of bullets
you're done. But you want to have some kind
of melee weapon. So I'm going to go with a
samurai sword easy light to carry sharp ready to do its
thing TRA that filters the water.

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That's good. So I can just I can just be in
the stream, go survived that. And then last thing, last thing,
I have to take, I have to take my work boots.
OK, work boots are good. You need boots.
Steel, steel toe like I have anybody that knows me, I'm, I

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wear shoes 24/7, whether it's house shoes or shoes.
And so I have to have feet covering at all time.
OK. That's the one with that.
But yeah, my work boots steel toe.
That way if I had to, if I need to kick some ass, I can do that
too. Yeah.
And the cool thing about steel toe is they got like steel,

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steel toe type sneakers almost that are like steel toe boots,
but they're not as heavy. Yeah, that might be good too.
I saw them the other day and we don't.
These are pretty pretty cool. Yeah, like the one I got the
like pair of like people are like stepping on nails from the
commercials and stuff. I.
I've seen those too. Like yeah, you can.

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Don't think like you can get getyour foot shot at.
'Cause that would be if I'm running from a zombie and I step
on a nail, I'm just, it's like, you know what, take me, I'll.
Be done. That would be my.
Hobble my fat self over. That would be my luck.
I'm running from a zombie and step on a damn nail, right?

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And I I got my aerodynamic Jordans on that just goes
through it like paper. Yeah, yeah.
That, that that would be the wayI'd go.
So Lauren, for those who don't know you, let's tell tell you
about a little bit about yourself.
I'm so well, let's start with the the personal I am a husband.

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You a wonderful woman. She's a registered nurse.
We have two kids so I'm currently a girl dad but we have
a 1/3 little one on the way. My wife's currently pregnant.
Congratulations. Thank you.
And it's a boy, so I'm like. Kind of boy, yes.
Now you can stop. That's yeah, that's the other

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thing. I'm I'm I have an appointment to
get a vasectomy. Oh, I'm not doing that.
In January. Hooray.
But just a little bit about my professional background.
I am the political coordinator for SEIU Local 1000.

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SEIU 1000 is the largest state employee union in California.
OK, so as the regional director,I do Central Valley region which
runs from about Modesto down to Los Angeles.
So this the middle of of California, which is also the

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reddest part of California. OK.
And so I got into that. I got my degree in political
science and public administration from Fresno State
and have just been kind of doingthat.
Well, let me ask this question for those who don't know.
What does your job entail exactly?

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So basically, we're government affairs.
We on one end, we, you know, do a lot of legislative affairs
stuff. We look at bills that are in the
California Legislature that are going to affect our members and
then effectively lobby to get those changed or get certain

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things right. Now.
We also educate our members on things that are upcoming.
As far as politics wise, we had a really big fight before this
general election. California is really a kind of a
wonky state where anyone can putup a ballot measure, right?

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You get enough signatures, anything you put up if it gets
enough signatures could be on the ballot.
And one of those things was something called, they were
calling the Taxpayer Protection and Government Accountability
Act. Essentially, this was a ballot
initiative that would have reverted state funding levels in

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California to 2022. Anything revenue enhancing, AKA
anything that was going to raisetax of any kind, a fee of any
kind would have to be passed by the by, not by the California

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legislature, but by voters in California.
It would have to be a 2/3 threshold of California voters.
So just to give you an example of what that would mean,
California, in the northern partof the state where we have all
of our like forests and woods, we have a whole bunch of
wildfires, right? And every year we have to like,

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yeah, have wildfire season and have to get funds for that.
In order to get the funds for that, we would have to have an
election where every California voter said to at least 2/3 of
California voters said, yes, youcan raise revenue for these
wildfires. OK.

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So essentially, if they vote no to that, that's California.
California just burns down to the ground.
Yeah, handcuffs, everything, butit, it right.
If you're one of these people who's like, oh, I, I, I, I pay
enough taxes. I don't want my tax, I don't
want taxes to be raised. It makes it extremely hard to

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pay to to raise taxes of any kind, right?
Yeah. And so that's essentially and
how it would affect our members.Our members are get their raises
through Assembly bell. So instead of it being an
assembly bill where the legislature's is negotiating

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with with us, it would be all ofCalifornia voters, 40 or like 29
million, 28 million people wouldhave to say yes, California
workers deserve a race. That's all.
It was a really essentially a non startup for us.
And so we battled that out in the California Supreme Court.

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The court ruled, never made it on the ballot.
Excellent. So that's like once one, one
side of the house. The other side is we find
candidates who are labor friendly, right, who are going
to who have a platform for standing up for working class

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people and we work to get those folks elected.
That's interesting. So how do you go about doing
that process, like finding candidates that you can work
with, that you can fundraise for?
Because as we saw recently, like, you know, you can find a
candidate and you can have the money for them, but sometimes it

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just doesn't work out. Yeah.
And we're, we're in a situation in California where we're not a
lot of the times from a labour point of view, like I like to
tell people, yes, we endorse mostly Democrats.
That's only because very few Republicans will actively say

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like, oh, yes, I will stand withworkers, right.
So that we just don't have a lotof them.
California is really unique in the sense that a lot of our
races are not necessarily Democrat versus Republican, but
Democrat versus corporate Democrat.
The last election cycle, corporations spent $55 million

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on California. The California Legislature races
as opposed to all of Labor, including SEIU and all of our
locals, SEIU California plus building trades, Teamsters,
AFLCIO, we, we spent 17 million.So there is a definite dichotomy

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in, in the spending. But I think what, what, what
really what we look at are candidates who every candidate
goes through internal process where they fill out a
questionnaire, then we ask them about their values.

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They have an interview with our members.
We had a situation in California.
We had three really good, strongSenate candidates, right, Katie
Porter, Barbara Lee and Adam Schiff.
And all three of them came to usand went through an interview

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process. I think at the time, Adam Schiff
had a clear fundraising lead, but Barbara Lee, just she just
spoke when she spoke, people were just like, gosh, this woman
is is got to be, she's got to beour next senator from

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California. And that that that was kind of a
difficult situation where it waslike, yes, people wanted Adam
Schiff, right? The like traditional Democratic
side of, of our members wanted Adam Schiff, but then there was
a whole bunch of other people that wanted Barbara Lee.
And, and ultimately with any process that I talk with, with

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folks about this all the time is, is you got to show up when
it's time to vote. We have a, a open voting
process. More people voted for Adam
Schiff. So Barbara Lee did not win that
endorsement. So we supported Adam Schiff.
Let let me ask the question. Adam Schiff is kind of a well
known name. So how do you, how difficult do

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you think when it comes to politics at least being someone,
I, I think you might be the perfect person to answer this
question, to ask this question to you.
How difficult you think it is for someone getting into
politics who doesn't necessarilyhave as big of a name to get in
there and built their name up tokind of get to that place where

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they can be? Because I think one big part of
politics that we don't talk about is marketability.
Whether people like it or not, our president-elect is very
marketable to a certain audience.
Oh yeah, definitely. Now, whether you agree with
politics or not, it's another thing.

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But but his he's very good at the theatrics of politics.
Yes, yes, and it didn't. It did not help that, like so
much of The Apprentice was staged and people thought it was
real. Well, yeah, there's that part.
Too And so there's the show the show ship showmanship of that so

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well I I like I kind of have a little unique perspective in
this because I ran for Congress myself back in 2021 I.
Knew that I was. About 22.
That's why I asked. I wanted your opinion on that
because I want to talk about that too.
And so like, as someone with no political experience, well, not

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I didn't have any political experience, but I had no name ID
at all. Like I never interned for anyone
in politics. I never worked in anyone's
office to like have that kind ofjump start.
It was extremely hard, extremelydifficult to do.

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And I think that part of that isis name ID and and fundraising
and the political, I'm going to call it showmanship.
I'm going to all go together andso like 1 feat into the other.

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I was lucky enough to to I thinkI was replacing a really
disliked person. OK, it it.
Definitely how that works. Yeah, Devin Nudos, who's now
went running Trump Social. I think so.
Truth, Truth social rather. So he was just like a not liked

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person and I had the the benefitof being likable myself.
But fundraising was, was the hardest thing I've ever had to
do as a regular person because I, I would think of it as I
could call, I could call people on these like donor lists that

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like Nancy Pelosi has and ask them for for $2500 without I, I
didn't really care. I didn't know them.
It was my network of people thatI had the hardest time calling
to be like, hey, can you, I'm running for Congress.
Can you give me $100? You know, this is what I'm, I'm

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fighting for. And I've, I felt like I'm asking
to borrow $100 from people that I know are working people like
myself. It's just, it was.
It was. It's.
A lot. It's a lot, honestly, because
you're asking people to essentially believe in you and

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support you and back you in one of the most difficult ways
possible in terms of like, hey, I need your money, right?
That's one of the things that argument I have with Dutch all
the time is understanding that you know, Dutchess.
Dutchess is this way left. He's progressive this and that

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he money should be out of politics.
Yes, it should I, I will agree with you, but until it is, why
are you? Why would we handicap people who
are just getting in right? The people we want to get
elected need that need extra help.

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They like, people think that if you say like, oh, I don't take
corporate PAC money that that's like a, a batch of honor and
it's, it sounds great, but then they, they need you to fund
them. And that's what people don't get
is I, I had so many people that were like, oh, I love, love what

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you're saying, but I love your values.
I love your stances, but I'm also broke.
So, so, but you got my vote. And it's like, that's, that's
great. But like in politics, money is
used solely for messaging, right?
The the the more you can get your message out to a broader

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audience. You like people.
People don't know this, but we have to touch the average voter
7 times before they vote in order to just have your name
stick in their mind. Whether it is seeing your

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commercial or having that piece of literature at your door,
having a piece of lit in the mail, we have to touch you 7
times before our name is like, oh I know who that is.
Yeah, that that costs money. Yeah, that costs a lot of money

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and I don't think people realizehow far that money and that
power kind of goes in terms of influencing politics.
Like talking about, since you brought up Dutch, we've talked
about how the the past election we just had, how influential
social media was. Oh yeah, and the power of social

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media. You know, I don't people want to
admit this or not, but having the backing of a billionaire who
owns a platform. It was.
Huge like like Twitter, where you can use your resources to
make any narrow if you want to make yeah, that's a huge thing
not. Only that but the people Twitter

(36:20):
free when before Elon Musk got on it, Twitter was a.
Huge. Huge tool for fundraising for
for grassroots fundraising right?
Like people like the reason thatBernie Sanders is, is like the
icon that he is, is no one couldgrassroots could fundraise from

(36:43):
small dollar donations like Bernie.
Yeah, it never been done before.I doubt it will be ever done
again. But Twitter before Elon Musk, I
did. That's where most of the
fundraising was from. I would, I could tell you just
of the $150,000 that I raised over the seven months or

(37:05):
something I was running over half of it was just from people
on Twitter and, and to like haveevery store, like, I don't know
if you noticed this now, but when I'm on Twitter now, a, a
lot of the people that used to be on Twitter since Elon Musk

(37:26):
took over have have dropped off.They cancelled their accounts.
But now when you're rolling scrolling through and you come
to like someone's post and you're looking at the comments,
you're getting inundated with Trump stories.
Yeah. And I think that's, I was, I had

(37:47):
this conversation with a few people about this, how, how
Twitter is just very different than what it was like in terms
of how before you could just like, you know, go on social
media in terms of like Twitter and stuff like that.
You can scroll and the people you follow kind of like

(38:09):
determined what you saw. What you saw, Yeah.
That is no longer the case. No, you kind of get like,
because I, I see it often, you'll get these kind of echo
chambers of just like stories and things that you don't

(38:30):
necessarily want to see, but it Twitter just puts it on front
page and you're not following the people.
They're not the people that you you follow at all or anything
like that, but it just comes to your page and it's like, why am
I getting this? And and it's.
It's supremely funny that the people who like talk about like

(38:51):
all the unfairness Biden with the social media companies and
this and that Twitter is literally suppressing stories
and people from the other side of the political perspective or
spectrum of the owner. Yeah, I've, I've set this behind

(39:16):
closed doors. I think that if you really want
to look at things, everything that was done was intentional
and it was kind of brilliant. Yeah.
He kind of used, he kind of, they, they kind of saw the way
things were going. And I think Bernie Sanders in
the off kit way had something todo with it in terms of they saw

(39:38):
how popular Bernie Sanders got off of social media and so how
social media was used to fundraise and things like that,
and they figure out a way to make it work for them.
Yeah. What you smart, Bernie?
Bernie was just wild though man like people were people love
Bernie. I there is a segment of the

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population that were giving awaynudes.
If you donated to Bernie Sanderscampaign and you showed, you
sent them a receipt and they gave you nudes.
It's, it's a wild thing. And it it's so wild that it's, I
say this because it's so wild and funny, because people still

(40:24):
want Bernie to run for president.
You know that's it's. And, and The funny thing about
it is he's around the same age. The people they complained about
running for president, I. Know.
And. But that's where that's where
I'm at too. It's like, can we, can we have
someone who's like, not on the verge of being an octogenarian?

(40:50):
Yeah, Bernie Sanders, I looked it up to make sure Bernie
Sanders 83 years old and there are people who still who want
him to run for president in office.
And, and I, and I, I look at that like, well, it's Joe Biden
like the same age you complain about him, like, you know, being
senile and old. Being with the old person,

(41:10):
there's definitely a difference between Bernie and Joe because,
like, God, Dana Carvey does a really good Joe Biden
impersonation. On Saturday, my life was just
like, yeah, wow. Unless I love Italian.

(41:30):
I mean, that's, you know, Joe Biden was.
God bless him. I was one of those people that
was like really early on, like Joe Biden.
Don't run for re election. You've done enough man.
You've been in public service for for decades.
I agree. You you've lost children, you've

(41:52):
lost all you lost a wife already.
You you ran out of time when thenation needed you.
Now it's time to just you've earned it.
You've earned it, Rest. That is a common thread with
Democrats in terms of they don'tknow when to step down and let

(42:12):
the younger generation. Take Over has already filed to
rerun in 2026. Yeah, it's insane how that
happened and how they do it to their own detriment.
Yeah. Like, you know, if you look at
the leaders of the Democratic Party, it's people are really
old. Nancy Pelosi, Joe Biden.

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I think people weren't happy because Kamala Harris was young,
but Kamala's like 60. Yeah, yeah, she's 60 and I, I
don't mind this the 60 that that's there.
Yeah, I don't mind it. Like, you know, there is there's
a lot of issues and problems going on that if you are of of a

(42:59):
certain advanced age, you have no idea about like childcare
being $2600 a month, you don't have any.
You fucking care about that. You don't have any children.
Like being $60,000 in student loan debt, you don't care.
Does it cost a nickel to go to college?

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And plus, you know, a lot of those people, student debt is
already going. They paid for it.
Which which is pretty wild to methat we, we like that, you know,
Trump forgave all the TPP loans,but oh God, if we have students
forgive their student debt, oh boy.

(43:42):
I've and then I didn't want to make this whole conversation
about this whole past election, but I realized something.
These past I'm passive. I'm going to say maybe 12 years
now, I've realized this Americanpeople are very, very selfish.
Yes. And what I mean by it is you

(44:03):
always have to explain to them anytime you do something, even
if it's the right thing to do, how do they benefit out of that
right thing? Like let's see, let's like for
them, a student debt that would help hundreds of thousands of
people. But there's an audience out
there saying, oh, I had to pay my student debt.
Why don't they pay theirs, right?

(44:25):
I'm like, why? Why that even matter?
I had to go through this. Why don't why don't they get
theirs forgiving? It shouldn't matter at that
point. And and that's always the
conversation with everything when it comes to doing the right
thing for people. When it when you talk, when you
want to talk about immigration, it's the same thing.
Well, I got here legally. Why they can't do the same

(44:46):
thing. You know, it's always the same
conversation when it comes to when it comes to race, when it
comes to black people. Why don't they just pull
themselves up by their bootstraps?
It's always the same thing and it just comes down to the whole
thing of as a country and it's not a Republican or Democrat
thing. This is the country as a whole.

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America is very selfish and I think a lot of thing.
I think if you look at this pastelection, you look at it in
other elections, we vote for ourinterest.
We vote for who we want and who we think will best help us.
In terms of this last election, I think the Ukraine thing, it

(45:30):
made people feel a lot away. Yeah.
Well, I mean, like not enough people knew that when we said
that we were giving $163 billionto Ukraine, it wasn't like $163
billion. It was like $120 billion worth
of equipment. Yeah, but but when it when it

(45:53):
comes down to it, people don't care about that.
They just care about, hey, why are we giving these people this?
Well, I can use this. Yeah, that's, that's, I mean,
that's we, we know that, right? Like polling tells us people
like foreign aid, people think America gives like 10 to 15% of
our national budget is foreign aid, but it's less than one.

(46:15):
Yeah, right. And somebody said this a while
back and I think it makes a lot of sense to me.
I want to, I don't know who it was.
Might have been one of my friends, might have been Jody B
Actually, that people like the the economy.
Now, if you look at all the metrics, the economy is actually
better than it's been before. But people who are going through

(46:38):
things can't see that because they're going through things.
When you sit there and you're looking at your rent and your
rent's $500 more than it was a couple months ago or four years
ago, your rent then went up, your gas then went up,
everything then went up, but your paycheck's still the same.
You don't feel like the economy is better.

(46:59):
And I think the problem that happened with a lot of people is
we keep telling people, hey, theeconomy is better, but people
aren't seeing the economy being better.
They're just saying, damn, I'm how the economy better.
I'm still broke. Right.
And that's just, you know, I mean, especially this last

(47:21):
election, everything is based onhow you feel.
I don't feel like I'm doing better.
I don't feel like this is a better economy.
And that's really legitimately how a lot of people voted
despite the fact that like, likeyou said, all the other
different indicators of, of inflation and this and that.

(47:45):
But I, I, I, I think the, the, Imean, this is the last, I don't
want to make this about the, thelast election because you guys,
you guys covered previous shows and, and God knows that I did a
lot of canvassing and a lot of talking to people.

(48:05):
It was never, it was never aboutcompete ideas.
It. It it was about feeling, yes,
one candidate made you feel likeas much as we like sell, we
would not do politics. Trump did exclusively identity

(48:26):
politics. Yes.
He gave people, hey, you're doing bad, you don't feel good.
The thing things aren't right for you.
You're having troubles, you're not getting ahead.
It's because of these brown people coming over the border.
Yeah, it's. Because that those boys are You

(48:47):
drop your kid off at school as aboy, you pick him up as a girl.
That's what the problem is. Yeah, and that's what people
saw. That's what.
People. Saw they're teaching your kids
this at home at schools they're teaching your kids all these
things that they shouldn't teachthem instead of American values.
They're teaching them that what is it DI?

(49:10):
That's their that's their new favorite thing if.
We I I hate die because all the like, yeah, are there some cases
that people get like people get a benefit?
Yes, but let's talk about all the white people that got
promoted in front of like, I don't know, Asian people or

(49:31):
Indian people and other jobs andother different sectors or this
and that. So when people say DEI like for
myself, right, Oh, look at large.
He's ADEI hire. I say yes, I am.
ADEI definitely earned it. Yeah.
But to your point, to your point, I think that's that's
part of the problem that we're the part of the problem that I

(49:53):
don't know that government can address or that anybody in
politics can address is the simple fact that we are asking.
I mean, the pandemic was, was should have told us, shown us
all this is that we are asking schools and teachers to do way
more than just educate our students.

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Before, right in the 70s and 80s, you could have a one parent
household where one person went out to work and they earned the
bacon and mom was usually at home when he got home.
Hey, do your homework, do this and that.
And she was doing the values. She was instilling them.
But now two people got to work just to make ends meet.

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And so who's going to instill the value?
I want the school to do that. That's what people say.
Yeah. Tools to to raise kids instead
of teach kids, and that's part of the problem that we're in.
Yeah, I, I, I think that is it just comes down to how society
is set up. And I think some of the things
that are being overblown, of course, I think they greatly

(50:58):
exaggerate some of the things that they say are happening.
But I also think that we need toget back to figuring out at
least in terms of like politics,because now we're, it's funny
because that's what it was eightyears ago.
Let's go back, let's go back a little further than that.
There was a time when RepublicanParty would always say things

(51:22):
like, we don't want the government in our personal
matters. That was a big thing.
And now it's flipped. And now we kind of want the
government and all our matters. It seems like a little bit in
terms of like, hey, we want church and schools again.
You know, we want to have the schools and stuff like that and

(51:43):
just we want to control what theclass is being taught.
And it's just really interestinggoing down this path because I
don't know if any of this stuff's going to work.
I don't know. Because I know people are kind
of fearing for the worst with this Trump election and things
like that. But my whole thing is this, the

(52:08):
things that he is putting forth,it's a lot.
It's a lot to take in it. And the thing about Trump is you
never know how much he's actually going to accomplish as
opposed to what he's wants to accomplish.

(52:29):
Like in terms good example, there's the wall hit.
The first time he ran his big hole campaign was about building
the wall, building the wall, building the wall.
The wall didn't happen, right? And it was so many other and,
and it was kind of the same situation it is now where he had
the House, he had the Senate. I think, I think the the thing

(52:52):
the issue with the second Trump is the people that were
providing guardrails are no longer there.
Correct. That is, that is the word.
I think that you will start to see things, things that we
thought were institutionalized are going to fall by the
wayside, right? Like Trump wasn't, he didn't
stop illegal immigration. He slowed and stopped legal

(53:17):
immigration into this country. And I think that you're going to
see things that we thought were things that are, are are
precedent and a case law start to be overturned, right?
Like Roe was case law, he overturned it.
A birthright citizenship is not in the Constitution.

(53:42):
It is not codified anywhere. It is case law and that will be
overturned. All the like, the the things
that like we saw at CNN panels after the election of folks
saying like all these like Latino folks that are like,
well, yeah, like my family is undocumented, but we're hard

(54:05):
workers and he's not coming after us.
Like it'd bring it to you. Doesn't work like that.
You're you're prime on the list,buddy.
And it's just, you know, I, I. To add to that, I don't them
saying that the first thing I want to think is like, well, how

(54:28):
do you know that? How would he be able to
distinguish you for being a hardworking person as opposed to
these quote UN quote criminals? This is not Minority Report.
And the fact that like you couldstill so like even if I would,
I'm American citizen and my wifeis not and we're married.

(54:50):
That has that is also case law. That isn't anywhere in the
Constitution, right. If you've never gone through the
process, you haven't gone through the process and she is
subject to deportation. So during and if she he's
already already like split up families, We've seen that that

(55:11):
that that doesn't matter if you were a a DACA recipient in
California, you know, like you were brought in, brought over as
a child and now you have DACA status and that thing goodbye.
I sorry, I'll miss you while you're gone.
But like that is the that is thethe ality of of what what could

(55:40):
happen. And now you have a situation
where he's saying I Dutch touched on this, but he
confirmed it afterwards. Is he's prepared to use the
military. Yeah.
Under emergency powers to do so.So, you know, it's really weird

(56:01):
that like as a millennial, I like, one of my favorite book
genres is dystopian. Yeah, me too.
Like The Giver, it was one of myfavorite books, but it is like
kind of scary that that is literally the reality that we're

(56:22):
we're working, working towards. And I think that a lot of people
forget that. You know, I think people want
want change immediately. And I think people forget that.
Or maybe they just don't know that most Americans don't think

(56:43):
of themselves as working class or poor.
They think of themselves as out of luck millionaires and so like
they there's always an aspiration to be what I'm
currently not and that the way that I'll voted.

(57:10):
Yeah, that is true. I saw I wanted to look up
something because I was curious,because I know he was saying, he
was saying that he wanted that. His whole big thing was he
wanted to have the largest mass deportation is like first 100
days, correct? That's what he was saying
something like then he said likeover a million or something like
that. That's that's what he said, even

(57:31):
though Obama in his in his term,deported more people than Trump,
but. Here we are, but I I want to
look up. ICE right now employs 7 thousand
officers who conduct 250,000 deportations a year.

(57:53):
If he's going to ramp it up, he's going to hire a lot more
officers, which I guess is good for jobs.
But on the same time, these people have to be trained, you
know, well. That's that's the thing, you
know, I so like you. You were talking before about
like Republic. I used to be a Republican.

(58:14):
That is, I think a lot of my beliefs come from me being a
like a Reagan Republican where like the government, I don't
want the government should be doing things that it's not good
at. I don't want it to be in my

(58:34):
house in my fucking life at all other than places that I think
it needs to be. And I feel like I kind of have
to rock with Democrats because that's where it is now.
But like, what about the like, what about us?

(58:58):
I, I don't want people I don't want to have to deal with, with
ice coming in because, oh, they're looking for specifically
black and brown people. And like, so all the proposals
and things that have been put forward have nothing to do with

(59:21):
people that come over on an airplane.
Like if I wanted to come into America, if I was a terrorist, I
would just hop a flight and comeinto LAX.
Yeah. Like what?
They don't, they don't have money to hop a flight.
You think they're coming over with coyotes?
Like be for real? Like it's just ridiculous.

(59:44):
Yeah, it's, it's really interesting.
But people's perception of how things work and realizing how,
like, a lot of people come over here and are struggling to get
into America because they can't afford other ways, you know,
it's not like this. But this is the IT has.
It has nothing to do with addressing the legal situation.

(01:00:05):
Asylum is a legal process. Is it a tedious process?
Do people get have to spend years in America before they see
a judge? Yes, because there's such a
backlog of cases. But it is a legal process.
So instead of actually remedyingthat and having more judges to
adjudiate cases, we're in a situation where we're just going

(01:00:28):
to say no. And that's going to lawsuits and
that's going to be I mean, the Supreme Court's already in his
back pocket. But you know, I just, I'm
sitting here in a situation as alike, like a story, like a
observer of American history andthinking like, wow, we are a

(01:00:49):
long way away from the America that was envisioned by Thomas
Jefferson and John Adams and Alexander Hamilton because of
what's going on now. Yeah, don't think you've
perfectly summed up this episodewith that statement.

(01:01:11):
Yeah, it's going to be really interesting watching these next
four years and watching how America fundamentally changes,
if it even fundamentally changes, you know, part of me
because like I said, I, I think like, you know, he has at the
bare minimum, he has two years unopposed.

(01:01:33):
Right, here's what I here's, here's what I want.
If, if, if I had a wish list forthe Democratic Party and they
would actually listen to what I would say is start investing in
black people. We're the block, the voting
bloc. We had 93% of black women vote

(01:01:55):
for your candidate. We had 83% of black men vote for
your candidate. More would would vote for your
candidate. Let's start investing in black
people right? We spent $90,000,000 in a Texas
race for Senate. Texas has not elected a
statewide a Democrat statewide since I was born in 1988.

(01:02:20):
But a state like Louisiana that has 700 black voters just ready
to be engaged, they who elected a Democrat statewide 2019 boom,
let's let's have a new southern strategy and rock with the
people that are your God damn backbone and that is black

(01:02:40):
people in America. I agree.
The South should be our should be where we invest.
I will go a step further and sayif Democrats want any chance of
winning the next election and future elections, they need to

(01:03:00):
invest in the youth. They need to get what they need
to get what they need to get what the times in terms of
social media, in terms of talking to these other these
these platforms. You know.
That they're not reaching and they're not kind of
experiencing. And that's that's the Kamala's

(01:03:23):
Kamala's TikTok was fire. Her TikTok was great, but like
she she's not a really great, great was a really great
spokesperson. I think that a lot of this is
kind of like a like a lesson in politics is that like, you know,
hyperbole gets gets news coverage.

(01:03:46):
So like answers to a lot of questions that people had come
on with answer and this forum, but that forum was boring.
So it never got seen. And this is stuff like that, you
know, that's, that's just the name, that's just the nature of,
of, of journalism. Also, it's about, you know, a
big part of it now is like, you know, like we talked about

(01:04:08):
earlier with the social, the social media game in terms of
how Elon did a great job of kindof highlighting things that
weren't true, but social media saw it and ran with it.
Another thing that I think is, you know, just going on those
platforms, not necessarily to your people, but to another
audience that would might maybe support you and be and be blunt.

(01:04:32):
Support you. Yeah.
And be. Blunt.
Be blunt. That's the thing.
At some point in time, that party is going to get blunt
about their things. One thing I respected about Joe
Biden that people got mad about when he first ran, people got

(01:04:52):
pissed off about, but it worked.They asked him a question about
reparations. He straight up sitting down.
Yeah, that is not an agenda right now.
He straight up said it. I'm like, I'm like, you know
what? You kind of respect it.
He didn't lie. He didn't make false promises.

(01:05:13):
He told you straight up, no, I'mnot doing that.
Even as a black person, like as a black person today who has I
can I can trace my roots. We did our our COVID project was
doing our genealogy. My wife and I I could go back to
18 hundreds 1700s Virginia to a slave family.

(01:05:39):
I don't understand reparations. I don't and what it should be
because a if you give everybody money that is giving I giving
people just blank checks is probably matic in America for a

(01:06:01):
the reason you've already highlighted.
Oh, somebody got something that I didn't get.
But it's also problematic because you did also give them
the resources and education on how to spend it on how to do
things that are going to build generational wealth.
So it would just lead to to a different set of problems.

(01:06:28):
I, I'm, I'm if you want to say that we get like legacy
admissions to, to different universities and we have, we get
student loan debt wiped and we get 0% interest business loans
and stuff like that. Oh hell yeah, I'm for that.
Sign me up. I've I've had this conversation

(01:06:49):
multiple times, surprisingly, and is that's the whole thing
for another day. But but one of the things I
always said is like, you know, you can offer free Community
College of some sorts, which would work.
And I also said I think reparation things interesting.
I don't even get rid of the Community College.
Free college, Yeah, if someone wants to think they have to

(01:07:10):
still go through the classes. Yeah, I think, I think the
reparation, when you, when you go towards slavery, in terms of
reparations with Slate for slavery, I think that ship might
have sailed. But when you look at things like
the war on drugs, when you look at the things of segregation,
when you look at things like Black Wall Street and burning

(01:07:31):
down black communities, I think I think you have kind of like a
way to kind of introduce. Like crack an epidemic.
Yeah, I. Think you have a way to kind of
introduce a form of reparations,but you have to kind of do it in
the way that works and shows youlike, all right, This is why

(01:07:51):
we're doing this and this is what you're getting for these
reparations. Like, I feel like the whole
Black Wall Street thing in the abundant Black Wall Street,
everybody who's a who was a descendant of that should get
some huge sort of sort of reparations.
But even even like even in the, my the, the, the town I live in
now, right with red lighting up until 1978.

(01:08:16):
And that's my and there's my point lies that right there are
so many things that you can giveblack people reparations for
that are not just slavery that you can go to like, you know
what, this right here was an injustice.
We've had points in history where black people tried to lift
themselves up, quote UN quote, by their bootstraps and their
bootstraps were cut off Cedeca Falls.

(01:08:38):
So, so at some point you have tohave that conversation as
society in America like, OK, youknow what?
We understand the slavery thing,even though black people helped
build America in a huge way. Let let me ask you this, let me
ask you this. Would you like, do you judge

(01:08:59):
these brothers like Byron Donaldor like Herman Cain when he was
alive? That are, are are Herschel
Walker, these black men who are,are, I mean, maybe, maybe
they're maybe that's what they really believe in.
They're really in in it. But like who?

(01:09:20):
Who aligned themselves with this, with this, a movement that
has elements of white supremacy in it?
I've always said like, not everyracist is a not every Trump
supporter is racist, but every racist is a Trump supporter.

(01:09:45):
I think in terms of what was going on there is it's all about
acceptance. There are people in this world,
particularly with black people. This is a conversation there as
well, particularly with black people who don't feel connected
to our our people. And.
And they live their whole life wanting to be accepted by that

(01:10:06):
side. So when it comes to that, any
clubs they get from that side, they're going to take and run
with. And I think that's why we have
the Herman Cain's. That's why we have the people
like that who are willing to sell out their own people
because they don't feel like they're part of us.
And because they're getting the crumbs from this side, it makes
them feel like a part of that system and that, hey, maybe I

(01:10:30):
will get accepted by them. And plus, you know, if you
really want to, if you really want to break it down and we'll
do this conversation another day, you really want to break it
down. Black people in general have a
lot of Republican values. I doubt I know we do that people
that, people that. People kind of sleep on like,
you know, when, when, when it comes to religious black, black,
it's very black. It can be very religious, but.

(01:10:51):
But well, well. Different type of religious.
There's a difference between white Jesus and black Jesus.
Correct, it's different type having.
Gone to my my wife is Puerto Rican and and Cuban and so I've
gone to like their church and very different.
Why Jesus is very individual. I've noticed it's individual,

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he's your personal savior and this and that where where Black
Jesus is very communal. Yes, very different.
A very Yeah, we're not. Saying, yeah, but there are
there are some values that that we shit.
Well, I won't say we, but there's some value that black
people share Republicans, and they, and sometimes Republicans

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use that to their advantage. I, I like as a black Christian,
I, I, I think of myself as like,you know, one of the things that
God, God has is, is, is asked usis, is to forgive.
Those are like the message. This is literally this.
The message this weekend was about forgiveness and how

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forgiveness is between you and God and has nothing to do with
the party that offended you. They don't have to participate
and all. It is a gift you give yourself
because the Bible calls on us. Vengeance is mine, saith the
Lord, and all aspects but forgiveness, and we are called

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to forgive and to love, and there is nothing that I have
seen from the so-called Christian nationalist movement
that is about love at all. Amen to that.
I think that's the perfect way to end this show.

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That is very accurate. Don't get me started, but here.
That's a whole other conversation, man.
Thank you for coming on, Lauren.Man, let me notify you.
Thank. You for having me man my.
Pleasure. Welcome back on anytime.
You can find me on Twitter at Just Just LOURINHUBBARD.

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I, I I I I kicked off with some some outrageous takes sometimes,
so be prepared for that. Oh definitely.
I appreciate it. I like the takes.
All right, brother, thank you for coming on.
As always, Devil conspiracy. We are out.
Peace later.