The Delvin Cox Experience Episode 375 Brian Hawkins Returns

This week returning to the podcast is my bro Brian Hawkins talking about his new project.

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Thank you. Welcome to the Delvin Cox

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experience, the podcast which each week I'm on a one man
mission to you not close to diversity.
I'm your host, Delvin Cox and with you on the podcast as a
special guest, my boy, my brother Brian Hawkins.
How you doing bro? I'm.
Doing good, man. Hey, I feel like it's been a
while since I've been here, but it's been.
A while, yeah, I still feel. At home, though.

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Of course, man. This is your home, man.
Second home away from home, man.There we go.
Yeah, man. As always, like to start the
podcast out with A5 for five, five questions, 5 minutes to get
the ball rolling. Brian, Are you ready?
I think so. I feel a little rusty on this
one, but let's see what happens.All right, for those who don't
know who Brian's been on severalepisodes, you know, Black Eyed,

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we've done several episodes of different probably she's worked
on. So I'm going to ask him a
question. Brian you can revive one series
from the 80s and white Ford whatseries you reviving?
One series from the 80s? Yes.

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Knight Rider? Are we talking?
TV or we talking? What?
No, no, that's the that works. Knight Rider.
I will say TVTVTV and movie, it has to be TV because it's
series. That would be TV Rider Books.
Yeah, that's a good one. Knight Rider.
Did you ever watch? I think it was Knight Rider
2000. I did.
It just wasn't the same. It just wasn't like it was OK,

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but just I don't know how you. I think in order for a new
Knight Rider to work you would still have to do it in the 80s
because you still need kit to look like the original kit.
Yeah, I think that was the the whole thing.
But it was another one that was after 2000, wasn't it?
Yep, it was. It was another version, I can't

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remember which one, had the Corvette.
One of them was a Corvette. I don't know if that was the
last one or was the iteration oflike in the middle, but I know
one of them had a Corvette, it just it just wasn't the same.
Yeah, I'm looking it up right now because I'm trying to
remember because there's one of them I actually thought was
decent and it was back right at the 2008, 2009 series.

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OK. And I remember it because they
had one episode where like just I ran like a random thing.
They had episode when they brought in car right as the bad
guy but car could transform. Oh wow, and.

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He was voiced by Peter Cullen. How about that?
Yeah, let's. How about that?
Yeah. Oculus Prime voicing the bad guy
not running. That's all right right there
and. Their car was, I think it was a
Mustang Mustang. It was.
A Mustang, Yeah. Yeah.
Why the bad series? OK, I might have looked at look

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that up on on Toby. Maybe because Toby seems to have
all of the older movies and older shows.
I might have to look that up. I just bought Knight Rider, the
original series on Blu-ray. Oh wow.
OK, the. Whole box, it was like 20 bucks
because apparently we'll we'll, we'll make this question number
two. Yeah, but apparently physical

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media is going away. Yes, yeah.
Like big time. So a lot of stores are like, get
rid of that. Their stock, their back stocking
physical media like, you know, Target I think doesn't sell
movies anymore. Really, I have not checked that
that area for it, but I mean, soI know that they sell, you know,

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they sell albums. Yes, they sell vinyl.
Yeah, but I have not looked to see what their movie collection
looks like because I do. I mean, I personally do all my
movies like I stream them now so, but I there are a few that I
have on a list that I'm like, you know, I want to have a
collection of so can't go to target then.

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Yeah, Targets, I think, I think they're only going to do you
could buy like DVDs and Blue Ridge online, but in stores they
don't have it there no more. Gotcha.
So my question #2 for you is, what's the thing you're going to
miss most about physical media? I the nostalgia, right?
The collectors niche right like that that that feeling of having

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it in your possession. I, I remember this was like man,
mid 2000s. I remember, you know, I, I would
go to like, what was that Hollywood Video?
Hollywood Video would have, would still have like the DVD's
and the VHS, right? Where just of like older movies

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and you could like, you know, and they're having like $5 two
for 10 or something like 2 for 8:00.
You could just, if you're a movie collector, you could just
pick like 2-3, four of them up at a time and just, you know,
have them in collection and thenwatch and then watch them.
And so like, you know, on a weekend where I, I wasn't doing
anything. And you know, I, I made it a

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point, you know, I might, you know, at that time I'm in my
like, like, I like 24, right? Like 2425, maybe 26.
So like there were some weekendsI would go out maybe once a
month. But my other weekends, you know,
I was, I was watching movies at home.
I'm a movie buff. So I would like a Friday night.

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I would, you know, come home from work, from from teaching
bottle of wine. I would go over to Hwy. video
buy like, you know, the two for four or the two for eight.
You know, I'll do a couple of those, right?
And I have like 8 movies and I just come back home and I'll

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just choose which one and watch good time.
That was a good time, such a good time.
I've had an era like that with, well, funny you mention
Hollywood Video when Blockbusterwas going out of business and
they start selling all their movies and game for like really
cheap. Yeah, I remember that.
I was in on that too. Yeah.

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I, I may have gotten close to 100 DV DS and breweries with
Blockbuster at that time. Like people thought I robbed the
Blockbuster because I, you know,they don't have the like actual
box. So you have like all these
Blockbuster C DS and like like no Blockbuster is going out of
business. I bought all these.

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They were like 3 for three for five and stuff like that and
such a great. Deal.
Oh, my. Great, Great.
So great. You like even talking about it?
Like I, I can remember the feeling and I'm like, man, I
would love to have that feeling again.
Yeah, yeah, I. Agree.
I, I missed that feeling. Yeah.
I, I still buy video games. I buy comic books, like

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physical, physical. I have to buy physical comic
books. I'm like, yeah, this is this is
something really cool and special about having a comic
book in your hand. It's just actually really get
looking at the panel, looking atthe art, and then look at
filling the paper that it's printed on.
Like, oh. This is something done.
Something different. You can't.
You can't replicate that. You can't like.

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You just can't like a graph likea from a single floppy to like a
graphic novel like that book in your hands is.
It's something different. Yeah, yeah.
Question #3 This is going to be a fun one because Brian Hawkins
knows a little bit about Kickstarter because he's funded.
He's has some of his projects funded.

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That's true. Which is amazing because you
know that's not a thing anybody can do.
So I'm going to ask you this. Recently I funded the
Kickstarter I just got. It just sent me what I ordered
off of. I got off it and it was for
Masters of the Universe board game.
Oh wow. It's a lot of stuff.

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They sent me so much stuff for this board game.
Wow. It's really cool.
But my question for you, Brian, if you could create a board game
like you can kickstart fund a board game for a property that
you like, which one would you do?

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Well let me first say I might have chosen Masters the
Universe. I am a huge Masters the universe
fan. I love he man Masters.
Universe, when we finish recording now, I'll show you the
box. It's the the stretch goals were
like and I forget. I didn't realize it was so many
stretch goals. I think I paid like 80 bucks for

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it and the first stretch goal was you get like a special he
man and Skeletor figure with it,which is cool, which is cool,
which is cool enough and that's including the game and what the.
Game comes, but I missed that one.
Then like a month later, they sent me like everybody.
They sent me like like a bunch of like extra figures and it's,

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it's like I have like a, a box full of stuff that they just
sent me. I haven't even opened it yet.
Like. Stratos the the vehicles so.
Jealous. Or the village, like really cool
capsules. Breakscope.
I definitely want to see this Ohmy God, I'll search up for this.
Alright to the question note. So because OK so I'm gonna go

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with a really obscure IP1 IP that I absolutely love that I
have said that I would love to write this comment like in.
I even have talked to a publisher about it like hey
look, if you guys ever get this IP like I want first shot at it
like I want first shot at this IP and Thunder of the Barbarian.

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Oh, that's a good one. Oh my God, I am such like, I'm
such a huge Thunder of the Barbarian fan.
Like, yeah, it's it's what if that's the thing?
What if I told you I just recently got in the Thunder of
the Barbarian too? Really.
So look, I've been meaning to order it and I say every time I
talk, I'm like, OK, as soon as Iget off, I'm going to order it.

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And I, it always slipped my mind.
But I am going like when we talkabout collection, I got to have
that in my collection like I have.
We should like to find it because Oh my goodness.
I just bought the, I want to saylike around Christmas time, they
had like a Blu-ray set of it. And I bought that because I've

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never watched the series. I've watched like a couple
episodes, right. And you?
Never watched the series. Never watched the whole series
and then watched like a couple episodes and someone told me
like it's like a a darker version of he man.
Yes, I love. Oh my God.
So I start watching like this isactually really good for I had a
Barbaro cartoon. I see I was actually sent this

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man, you know, podcaster. Oh my God, my mind is drawing a
blank. I'm have to man, before this
thing is over, I'm have to draw back his name.
But because I haven't talked to him in so long and he he was one
of like, you know, he's backed afew projects for me on

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Kickstarter. He, I was asked on another
podcast and he was listening andhe heard how much I loved
Thunder, Thunder the barbarian. He sent me three of these like
of, of he's in Thunder Ukala andPrincess Ariel.
Like he sent me like and I, I, Icherished you like I I have him

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here. Yeah, it's my thing.
I'm going to mention his name though.
That's like me with Dudges and Dragons, the cartoon series.
Oh, really? I love the cartoon series.
OK. It's so great, like I like went
on eBay and bid for because theyhad a special edition DVD set

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that comes like the map from theshow and all.
Kinds of stuff. Like a ticket.
I bid on eBay to get a copy of that.
I have the see I have the serieson.
Well, 2 copies of the series on DVD.
Because I love that show so much.
Because this it's a kids show, but it's super dark.
OK. Like characters die in the show

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and. I never watched dancing dragon.
I watched dragon layer but I didn't watch.
Dragon layer is great too. Yeah, Dragon Dragon is super
dark. It's super dark.
It's unexpectedly dark. But 80s kids show that came on
Saturday morning cartoon like, oh, this is different.
Like really unique. Yeah, I mean, back in the day,

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Saturday morning had some of thebest cartoons and like, you
know, you would wake up and you would look forward to like that
Friday night. You would, I mean Friday night
was lit too because you had TGIFon ABC, right?
And and then the following you have Saturday morning cartoons
and you a man you know from fromthe kid in play joint that

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eventually came out. It was, it was so many good
things, man. Let me ask you a question.
I guess we made this question number what's #4 now?
Yeah, question 4. We made this question 4.
What was your error of TGIF? Man, I had so look.
My error goes back because I remember at 10:00 when all the
sitcoms went off, Falcon Crest came on.

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See. See, that's why I'm trying to
figure out because the Falcon. Crest.
There are different eras of TGIFthat people don't realize.
If you talk to certain people, they were like, oh, what are you
talking about? Like like I I want to say my era
starts with like perfect strangers.
Perfect strangers, Yes, at that.That one came on at I believe

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8:00 and then Full House came onat 8:30.
Or was it the other way? Around I think so.
I think that's right. Like it was like my era TGIF was
like see now now I'm looking up the the time blocks of the TGIF
was like 'cause it wouldn't TF last for a long time.
Yeah, I feel like it lasted almost 10 years because
eventually they supplanted a couple of those shows and then

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of course you had family Mattersthat end up coming on.
Then after that you had eventually was Boy Meets World
but that was more new age. Correct.
That's the that's like the finalbig, big area of TGIF that I was
wondering like, you know, you have like I think our air is
like perfect strangers and like full house.
And then you get down to it. There's a whole other era like,

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you know, the Family matters era.
Then you have that era of a point Meets World.
It's like they are two differentgenerations who like TGIF but
they are completely different line UPS.
Yeah, yeah, You are right, man. You're so right.
Yeah, But it was crucial, man. TGIF, the Saturday morning
cartoons and some of the like. That's Primo entertainment right

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there. Yes, I'm looking up some of the
stuff that was on it because there was a lot of stuff on TGI.
There was. See Look, I'm looking it up like
the Wonder Years. Yes, The Wonder Years, yeah.
Hanging with Mr. Cooper, OH. Hanging with Miss Cooper?
How about that? Step by step, which I've
completely forgot about. Step by step, you were right.

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You you ain't taking me back now.
Yeah. Dinosaurs these.
And a little baby kept saying, not the Mama.
Yes, like the like, it's just like such a that was the era of
television that we will never get back.
Never get back. Never get back.
If you even tried to bring TGIF back, it wouldn't work because

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just where we are and like how to consume media and our
entertainment, now it it just, it just.
The digital era kind of messed like the Netflix era, call it
kind of messed up like TV in terms of like much see much
watch TV because now everybody just been just through TV shows

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and you don't get to appreciate like you used to.
Like before, like TGIF was like appointment TV, like Friday
nights got to be there. You got to be sitting there
watching it. If you don't watch it, then if
you didn't record it, you just missed it.
Yeah, yeah. And wait till you read the
reruns. You hope for the reruns.
That's right. Those days are gone, man.

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I I missed the simplicity of that.
Absolutely, absolutely. There's something about that
that, you know, I mean, like my kids, you know, they wouldn't
even understand that concept. And it's like, you know, I can,
I can tell you about it, but unless you experience it like.
Yeah, I was playing that same thing to my son and and kids
about that type of thing, how it's just like little things

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that you just, like if you didn't catch it, you just missed
it, it was over, you wouldn't see it.
And also the whole idea of like when the movie would go to
theaters and it would be in theaters for a while, but then
when it gets out of theaters, itwouldn't like come the whole
video for like maybe like a year6-8.

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A year. If if that drunk came out in six
months, it you were lucky. It was like a year, I guarantee
and you and you'll be waiting for it.
Like I got to get that on video.Yes, and it and it was like
expensive like $100. Yep.
And it took, it took a while forit to come out.
Exactly. Yeah, man, it's, it's just, it's

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all gone different. Era, all right, Question 5 all
right. Everybody's doing their thing
with a ticket properties that's kind of falling into public
domain and making their own films out of it.
It's a big thing now. It is.
So what property would you take to public domain and make a film

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out of it? Or a comic book series?
Even better, a film or a comic book series.
From public domain oh domain. Like I give you an example.
Yeah, Popeye is now a public domain, as well as Peter Pan.
Yeah, and, and, and they're turning all of those, those, the

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horror films in into horror films, which which I'm not mad
at, you know, I, I, I, I, I think that's a good, you know,
if you're trying to be a filmmaker, you're trying to tell
some, some stories with, with, with pre-existing characters to
already have a fan base, but tell them in a different way.
I think it's such a great idea to go to horror route.

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So I'm not not mad at it at all Public domain.
I'm trying to think which one who I no.
Let. Me.
Who would I this? Right.
Now let me anything who I don't think I'm a public domain.
I'm gonna. Look up some.
Well, so I will say this, I already have one that that I

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have kind of in stock that I'm just waiting to to kind of find
a place for it to figure out where I want to go with it.
And it's The Great Gatsby that'sgood.
Thanks. But it's not like redoing Gatsby
in the terms of like the main characters Gatsby.

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So I mean, so the one that we have is called the Immortal
Gatsby instead of The Great Gatsby.
And it actually it's kind of a sequel to The Great Gatsby and
it is about his daughter that hedidn't know he had.

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And she comes to West Egg after his his death and she's actually
out to kind of seek revenge, youknow, on the Buchanan's and what
what happened with her father that you know, you know, she
never really got to have have a relationship.

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However, I, you know, because I'm such a horror fan, I, you
know, we have a, a horror, a horror lens to it to where a lot
of the stuff that happened in the Gatsby takes place because
of like of the gothic and the witchcraft and the voodoo, the

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magic behind it. So it's, it's, it's a darker
version of Gatsby that doesn't really depend on the main
character Gatsby being alive. It's more so, I mean it's about
his daughter that he didn't knowhe had.
That's pretty cool. Thanks.

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I'm, I'm trying, I'm trying to figure out where to put it in at
with the stuff that I, I, I got going on.
And then, you know, a, a couple,I think like a year or so ago,
you know, they, I think it was image maybe I think they came
out with like a Gatsby graphic novel.
And it was around the same time that we had just worked on the

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1st 6 pages of the, the, of the mortal Gatsby.
So we're like, oh man, they, youknow, OK, let's just sit on this
for a second. So I'm right now I'm just trying
to find a place for it. So I would say since I already
have that kind of in stock, thenI would say, you know, the Greg
Gatsby. Well, I have some interesting

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ones for you that you might be interested in.
Alright, OK, I'm. Gonna name some of these off.
OK, here we go. You ever heard of the coconuts,
The Marx Brothers, Groucho, Chico and Harpo?
I have heard of the brothers, yeah.
They are now public domain. Oh wow.

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A fair water arm for Ernest Hemingway is public domain.
No, that's a good one. The the Mickey Mouse shorts,
like, you know, Carnival Key, you know?
Yeah, yeah. Steamboat, Willy, all those are
public domain now. So you can use Mickey Mouse if
it's that character Popeye singing in the rain, that is a

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that's public domain. Yes it is.
Wow. Well, essentially the soul is a
public domain. OK.
So you can use your own version of that song, not the actual
movie. No, it's a movie, OK.

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Popeye said right. Yeah, 101001010 is now that's
interesting. Like I feel like about 10-15
years ago they did a 10/10 moviedidn't they?
Yeah, they weren't that logo. They did one like yeah,
recently, yeah. 10:10 So you cando a 10/10.
So I'm with 1010 now. I think that's those are the

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main ones. It's going to be interesting
because I feel like when you know, Batman, Superman, Wonder
Woman into the public domain, it's going to be.
I mean, I don't even know how that's going to look because
considering. Batman's coming up.
Yeah, since, I mean, I don't even know how that's going to
look. So many people going to jump on
that Batman IP that it's definitely going to be crazy.

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I know that a lot of people do stuff with with Sherlock Holmes.
I was going to say that one. That's a good one.
Yeah, yeah. So I mean, I feel like, I feel
like James Bond should be comingup soon too.
Like that's. Also a really good one.
Yeah, it's not there yet, but I feel like I think I am.
Fleming released it during the time where it could also become

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a public domain character. OK Batman, you know James Bond
become public domain around the same time.
Batman, 2032. James Bond 2035.
OK, so. Yeah, that is.
Yeah. That'll be really interesting.
Yeah, I, I, I might, would do something with Sherlock Holmes
because I'm, I like Sherlock Holmes.

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I'm a fan of Sherlock Holmes andI would definitely spin it on
his head a little bit. But that's a good one to do 1
with. Maybe Sherlock Holmes?
Yeah. That's a really good one to do
when I think honestly. Yeah, I think that's it.
So many layers to the character.Yeah, so many things you could
do with the character. Yeah, and it and and, you know,

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Doctor Moriarty, I think like I'm that him as a villain, just
phenomenal. So many things that you could do
with that character itself. Yeah.
I like it. It's a good idea.
Yeah, Thank you. So, so bro, tell me about this
project you're working on 'causeyou're working on something
really cool. A sports project, apparently.
Yeah, So Blocked is a young adult graphic novel, a werewolf

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coming of age basketball drama that I wrote and collaborated
with with Ignacio Demiglio and, you know, is being published,
has been published by Maverick imprint from Mad Cave there.

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Why a graphic novel imprint? And so it's a werewolf shifter
story that revolves around basketball, about a young man
who he's like 1516, who has a overbearing father who has

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expectations for him of, you know, not only being a a star on
the court, on on the basketball court, but also because he's a
werewolf shifter in their familyis, you know, prime werewolf
shifters. And so, you know, he wants his
son to be dominant, to be strong.
And so those expectations are, are are put on Cam, the main

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character. And he the whole story is about
him really discovering who he isand who he wants to be and how
he gets to that place versus what his dad wants him to be.
Now you know, I gotta ask. Yeah, he's gonna come up.
No, it's going to come up. Watch you say this whole plot of
this. It has.
To you know what, it's going to come up.

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Yes, it is. Because this sounds exactly like
Teen Wolf. Absolutely, absolutely.
So Teen Wolf. I am a huge, huge fan of Teen
Wolf. I love Teen Wolf.
Like like yes, yes, the Michael J Fox 1, not so much the new
version that they did with MTV, which I've never watched.
But. Right, so I'm a huge fan of the

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Michael J Fox, but from the 80s,like, you know, my cousin, I,
you know, we, we watch that so many times in life it's
ridiculous. So blocked is I would definitely
say that there's some homage paid to to to teen wolf and but
but what what where they differ at is that this is definitely a

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drama and it really it's it takes you into this shifter
world where where we we're looking to create a shifter
universe and there's other things happening within this
world, but we're focused on thisone story and the coach of the

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young man Cam, where Cam's family, the banter family are
werewolf shifters. His new coach that's in this
small town with them is actuallya Wear Panther and so so.
What is a Wear Panther? So a wear Panther is like a

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werewolf, but that species that breed shifts into a Panther and
they have different attributes than a werewolf.
So yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Weird Panthers.
Never heard of this, that's kind.
Of awesome, so cool. So there's a weird Panther if

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you're from if you're familiar with True Blood, there was a a
pack of weird Panthers and True Blood.
See, I never. Watched True Blood.
Yeah, so and so, yeah. So with this story, you know
it's it it isn't just hinged upon the werewolf shifter, but
the fact that that shifters thatexists in this world.

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But what we're what we get to experience first in this story
is the were wolf shifters, because our main character, Cam,
is a teenage worshifter werewolfshifter and his his father is
the alpha of that pack. And so we're introduced to the
shifter world through them. But then we find out that his

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coach secretly is a wear Panther.
And so you have these two species of shifters.
And while his dad, who's a werewolf shifter, is placing all
this pressure on it on him, it'shis coach who is a wear Panther
who is trying to kind of mediateit and help him to figure

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himself out without harming himself and other people around
him while also trying to be his coach.
So he can't. He tries to become kind of like
a a a shoulder to cry on, but even more so a surrogate father
in in some sense. This this is an interesting
story. This is very fascinating to say

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the least. Thank you, but let let.
This but the way you print the story out, something has to go
wrong at at some point in time Ifeel like.
Yeah. This can't work, work out like
all the way. Like, you know, you have this
surrogate father figure, this father, this other figure who's
the actual father who's like, no, Yep, following the pack and

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following this line. And it's kind of seems like, and
then you say wear a pants. They're like, OK, I see what's
going on here. I like it.
I dig it. Thank you, Thank you, Thank you.
You know, where's building AB absolutely wanting to have the
larger world there, you know, which is again, you know, it's
it's a werewolf shifter story, but you know, so now she goes to

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the idea of of teen wolf, where teen wolf really just focused on
like, you know, his him and his dad, yes, being werewolves,
right, and then being able to transform, you know, and then
there's the basketball element. This is more so about the fact
that, you know, the shifters exist, you know, without humans

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knowing that they exist. So one of the things that
Ignacio and I wanted to do with certain we, you know, it's we
had conversations about how we wanted to present this because
with, you know, graphic novel medium, of course we have this
visual representation. And so we wanted to show the

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werewolf shifter nature, but at the same time, how do we want
humans to experience it? So we came up with this kind of
rule for the shifter universe where there's a delirium.
We call it the delirium. That's part of the nature that,
you know, when, when their emotions are high or when, when

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there's some type of stimuli that causes them to phase a
little bit. You know, you see how like like
Cam, you know, he, he might lookhairier or he might look bigger.
And so he's phasing some throughhis emotions and his hormones
and like he's very he's not ableto control it.

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And so that we as the reader, weget to see the phasing, but the
actual characters that's interacting with him, they don't
see the phasing because they're part of the delirium which keeps
the shifters hidden from regularhuman eyes.

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That's a really interesting way to do that story.
I kind of dig it too. Hey, kind of dig that you kind
of took your own approach to it.You can't, like I said, on the
surface you're like, oh, this isa how much the Teen Wolf.
Yeah. But when you go deeper into
where you found this, a little bit more to it than that, it's a
lot more substance. Yeah.
Because for most people who watch Teen Wolf, they know Teen

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Wolf is, is a comedy and it's a good, it's a good comedy.
One of the, you know, absolutelyone of Michael J Fox's best
films. I, I would say lot of fun.
I like the fact that we have something which you're making
right now a little bit more darker.
Yeah. A little bit more focused.
I I I really dig that so far. Yeah, yeah.

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Let me ask you about this one. The art on this project is
beautiful. It's amazing.
So how you guys collaborate to get the designs that you guys
want to make work for this universe and.
So Ignacio, you know, he so he and I met working on anthology

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for Travis Gibbs Orange Cone production and we we did like A8
page short and like he and I really hit it off and I'm just
like, you know, so we stayed in contact and this is really
Ignacio style. Like he has a very definitive
style on that. I think, you know, really stands

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out. So when I was so when I had the
opportunity to say, Hey, look, let's, let's maybe try to pitch
something to Mad Cave. This is always a good idea.
Shout out to Matt Cave. Shout out to Matt Cave for sure
and I sent him the picture like Oh yes and and and you know, I I

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could visualize his art style. I had no idea that you know like
you can visualize it, but when you actually see it come to
life, it's a whole other thing. And so he, he, he went to work
and everything that you see in that book, the style of art that
it is, is it's just Ignacio, youknow, we talked about like what

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characters should look like. And we had, you know, there was
some stuff that wrote out for our descriptions and some
references, But like the, the, the, the look that comes with
that art, that's Ignatius creativity.
So, you know, he, he brought that thing to life.
Yeah, he really did. He did a fantastic job.
With it and Ezekiel is the colorist and you know, he, you

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know, he is someone who is in connection with Ignacio.
They know each other. So yeah, it really just the
project itself. This really came together, you
know, and there was a lot of even after the script was was
written, you know, there's a lotof talk about OK how do we want

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to do this? What did this one look like?
Like one of my favorite things is there's in in one of the
later chapters, you know, you have one of the characters
sitting in their room, Liza and,and she who is also a basketball
player, but but she's not, she'snot a werewolf shifter or

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anything like that. She's human.
You know, she has in in the background, you can see a
drawing of a portrait, right, ofKobe and Gigi on her wall.
And and that. Yeah, absolutely.
And that was one of the things that, you know, wasn't in the
script. But when we began to, you know,
go through and talk about things, I'm like, hey, you know,

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you know, I'm a bit Kobe guy. And I'm like, look, I would
love, since we had this scene here, is it possible to put like
a picture on that back wall? And he's like, yeah, absolutely.
You know, And, you know, he wentthrough some references and
stuff like that and he just nails it.
He just nails it, so yeah. That's fantastic.

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Really cool way to put up almostto one of the greatest
basketball players that ever existed.
Absolutely. I love Kobe.
Yeah. Kobe's great.
Let me ask you this because I, Iwant to ask you before we bring
it up, when you take it on undertaking like this, writing
this graphic novel and things like that, what is your, your
writing process like? How do you come up with the
process? How do you come up with ideas?

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And look, I know this is one of those projects that kind of had
a shell to it if I remember correctly right.
I'm not saying anything a shell.Like a shell, like the like the
outline was kind of there, the idea was there and you have to
like fill out everything inside of it.
Yeah, so so I am. I have been used to outlining,

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you know, series like comic bookseries.
So you, so you deal with issue 1, issue 2, issue 3, you know,
you might have at most maybe issue 5, right?
And especially if you're self-publishing, you know,
you're not necessarily mapping everything out all the way.
I mean all the way because you know, you don't know if it's

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gonna be funded or not for issueone or two.
But so for this one, this was myfirst full like why a graphic
novel? So we're talking 200 pages and
we're talking 10 chapters. And so for this, you know, I do

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have a process and my process usually includes like a log
line. You know, I start with a log
line, which really just the initial concept of the story.
Then I go towards a summary and I try to really write out like
the beginning, the middle and the end.
After I do that, I begin to, youknow, create a character sheet

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and get the idea the the visualsfor the characters down as far
as their description and maybe some reference images and stuff
like that. And after that, then I jump into
the like an actual outline for this with Mad Cave, because you
know, when I pitched, I, I pitched, you know, the log line

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in the summary, you know, there wasn't an outline yet.
And so once it was greenlit, then it was time to do the
outline for the outline to be submitted to the editor.
And that's really where the process, you know, the, the
production process with the publishers really began.

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And so for this one, you know, once I had all the, all the
preliminary stuff down. Meaning up and up to the, you
know, the summary, I had to sit down and, and map out those 10
chapters and you know, those 10,those 10 chapters was going to
equal to like 200 plus pages. So in the it's a lot.

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And when that outline is, you know, I go chapter by chapter
and then I think of it, I construct it in the form of like
a, a, a comic page. What would that page look like?
So you know, it, it, it would belike page one through 3, here's
what's happening. You know, page 4 through 6,
here's what's happening. And I'm taking it into account

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my turn pages. So like I'm thinking in my mind,
OK, well, if this is on page one, it's on and it's on the
left side, it's on page 2, it's on the right side.
So when I flip it, when when I go to Page 3, which would be a
turn page, where do I want to beon that turn page?
And I had to do that. I had to construct that all the

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way through through 10 chapters and 200 plus pages, also taking
into account how you enter chapters.
So the outline for this one was because it's a a graphic novel
was definitely more extensive and it was my first time doing
something that long when it comes to, you know, the visual

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arts, a comic book or a graphic novel.
Let me ask you this yeah, how doyou prevent yourself from
experiencing burnout? Or do you just let it ride out?
Because I know you said like write 200 pages something that's
not it's a graphic novelist comic book, but it's not comic
book and you go through the whole process.
How do you fix yourself going toburnout when you got all these

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ideas in here? You're trying to make it work
for these stories. It's like I.
So you know, with the outline really helps like going through
the process of that log line first, the summary, you know,
the character sheet and then outline.
Once I get to the outline and I have it done, I, I feel like

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honestly, there is a, a load hasbeen lifted because I have the
first construct of that story. And I know from that point on
when I begin to script that the story is going to take care of
itself. Like I'm just, I'm going to
write it. But I know that the story begins
to talk the story, you know, it,it kind of comes alive.

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And the way that I write is I, Ikind of listen to the story
where it wants to go and what, you know, what the voices are
saying. So for me, you know, the
burnout, I would say, you know, is limited because I'm, I'm,
I'm, I'm kind of going through this journey of the story with

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the story. And so I, while, even though I
constructed it, I'm also now learning about it as I'm going
through it. So it's, it's, it's, it's an
interesting process and it keepsit fresh in that sense.
I also though, try to set it up to where I, I take breaks.

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Like, you know, if I'm writing, you know, I might write 2
chapters a day or 1 chapter a day and step away from it.
You know, I, I firmly believe that creativity happens not
while you're writing, but you know, when you're away from
writing. So you.
Experience the life. Absolutely, Absolutely I.

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Think, I think that's a really important aspect of creativity.
You got to experience the world,got to see things, and that
helps you expand your boundaries, I think.
Almost, yeah. Yeah, spot on.
Yeah, man. I'm, I'm excited for this
project, man. I appreciate that man.
I, it's, it's, it's doing well so far.
You like like we were, you know,I've been checking like the

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Amazon rankings and stuff like that.
So you know, it's, it's doing well.
It was in the top ten of, of, ofgraphic novels at one point last
week when I think like Thursday or Friday, which was like a few
days after it, after it came out.
The actual release was last Tuesday on February 4th.
You know, it was in like the top47 of young adult, the top 50 of

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the young adult graphic novels. It was #47 so, so it's been.
Is it doing? Is it doing fairly well?
Yeah, say the least. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Amazon had to restock, so that was cool.
Yeah. You know, it's, it's, it's not,
it's not doing bad, which bodes well for, you know, my my

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aspirations for a book too, thatIgnacio and I definitely have
have talked about and have kind of begin planning so.
Oh. That's great.
Yeah. So let me, let me ask you what
support thing before we go. This is really exciting, I
think. What's next?
You say you're working on Book 2already, that that's awesome.

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What other projects you working on that we could be excited for
in 2025? You know, I think it's really
cool. Considering everything that's
been going on this year already.You may need some good news.
Yeah, 2025 is lit already for sure.
So I have a couple projects that's going to be coming out
with Black Box comics right now Devils the Minion volume 2 is

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just about done coming out of the stores.
Issue 10 comes out this month. So that's a series that I, you
know, I began writing like maybe3-4 years ago and, you know, I
broke Volume 1 and, you know, behind the scenes while Volume 1
was coming out, I was writing Volume 2 and, and Volume 3 and,

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and Volume 4. So, you know, there's a lot of
material there for Devil's Dominion that's about to come
out. Like I said, Volume 2 is already
out. Issue 69 is already out of these
out in stores. You can also get them on the
Black Box website along with issues one through 5.
Issues 10 comes out. Issue 10 comes out in February.

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So I have that series with with with Black Box.
I have another series with BlackBox called Empath.
Empath Volume 1 came out last year.
Volume 2 is going to fall behindDevil's Dominion Volume 2, so
that's going to come out with them as well.

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I have some some independent projects that I'm working on.
As far as potentially self self-publishing.
I have a a a project with bad bug media that's a not safe for
work project called The Curse ofthe Gurgaon.
We're on issue 2. Issue 3 is going to hit

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Kickstarter, probably like April, and I'm actually in the
process of going through edits for my second YA graphic novel
with Maverick and Maggie. It's a, it's a separate story
from Blocked. It's a young adult horror

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graphic novel. So I'm going through the edits
with that. And we just brought on a
phenomenal artist. I can't say the name, but very,
very excited about that. So, so they have begun to work
on the concept art for for that.So, so there's a few things.

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I'm, I'm Jacqueline, I guess youcould say.
I like it. I like it a lot.
I'm looking at the Krista Gorgonas we speak right now.
This. Yeah, everybody.
I got to go check out all my manstuff.
He's got some dope stuff. Thank you man in.
The pipeline coming up, I think it's going to be amazing.
I think it's going to be Brian Hawk is here, to say the least.

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I mean, I hope to make a little noise and hope to get some,
some, some books out. You know, I'm, I'm really, I'm
at when, when doing this, you know, you know, and this is
fresh on my mind. You know, I, I think about, you

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know, what it is that I'm tryingto put out and what it is I'm
writing the story that I want totell.
And I think about, you know, what Kendrick Lamar is doing for
the culture and how how he handles his art.
And, you know, I've always kind of admired and watched different

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writers, artists and what, what and what they do.
And so, you know, just, you know, I'm inspired by, you know,
his approach to what he does, you know, his art and, and, and,
and I just want for 2025 at least to put out stuff that is

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meaningful, that's entertaining,that speaks to, you know, I
guess my, my world view and hopefully to influence the
culture in my own way. So.
Yeah, I love it. I love, I love the fact that
each one of your books are vastly different than the other.

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10 Thank you. Thank you.
And I think that's really cool that you have that much range of
flexibility to to kind of pull that off because a lot of people
can't do that. I appreciate that.
That means a lot bro. Thank you bro.
Alright, anything you want to say before we go?
Jess, you know, Blocked, the YA graphic novel from Maverick and

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Maccafe Studios, is in stores and on shelves right now.
It's also online at Barnes and Noble, at Target.
You know, any place that you canbuy a book, you can purchase
Blocked, and that's BLOCK Apostrophe D So yeah.
I like it so. I appreciate you.

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Like Ross, but let me notify youat.
Oh, OK. So anywhere that you can type in
Brian, Brian Hawkins, right. It's where you can find me.
Keep listening. Definitely.
Thank you for coming on, brother.
Thanks for having me man, as always a pleasure.
Like Ross Bro and as always Devil Cox experience, we are
out. Peace, Peace.