The Delvin Cox Experience Episode 376 Trump's First 30 Days Featuring Jasen Dutch

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Thank you. Welcome to the Dalvin Cox

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Experience, the podcast which each week I'm on a one man
mission to you, not our coast todiversity.
I'm your host, Dalvin Cox and with me on the podcast returning
our conquering champion, the Dalvin Cox Experience,
correspondent for political news, Chasing Dutch.

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How you doing brother? I'm good, man.
How are you, Sir? You sound so motivated, sound so
energetic. Hey, you know, well, it's just
another day in America, you knowwhat I mean?
Like I've been I I've been plugging away.
Yeah, that's good answer. It's been, it's been really
interesting. We're going to talk about it in
a minute, but as always, like tostart a podcast off with five

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for five, five questions, 5 asksto get the ball rolling.
Jason Dutch, Are you ready? I'm ready.
Question #1 We asked you last time who is the most famous
person with the name Jason. This time I'll ask you who is

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the most famous person with the name Dutch.
Dutch. I would say Dutch.
Was it Dutch? Dutch Schultz, I don't.
Know that that is the name. That that was the mobster,
right? That is correct.
I think that's a that's a name. I would have took Dutch from a

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predator 'cause I was I was Master Stallone's name and
predator I would also took DutchDutch master.
Dutch Masters what the brand of cigars?
When I used to rap, yes, When I first started rapping, I used
to. So for those who don't know, I
used to be in a rap group, yes. In like 91, yes.
He was in third base I. Started in like 1990.

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I started in 1990 and that was my name was the Dutch Master.
I later changed it to to MC Bleach.
And then people just started calling me Bleach.
They dropped the MC. You know we all everyone in rap
dropped the MC like. Yes.
Around like 96, but we were, we were OK.

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Like I was in a group, like we weren't like horrible.
We opened for the dog pound once.
That's cool. Now we got to talk about that.
What was it like open up for thedog panel, Dad?
The corrupt they weren't. They hardly, they hardly said a
word to to us honestly, like we they came into a local bar.
It was it was a under 21 bar. It.
Was called I I don't remember which one it was.

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It was either Discoveries or Toto's, but because we played at
both of those, we're mostly we're local to Chicago like we
we did a show with not crucial conflict, the other psychodrama.
OK. Once and we did a, we did

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Gillette. OK.
Remember Gillette? Like don't want no short short
man. I remember, I remember so.
The guy, what was his name? He cool, Rock steady.
OK. Yeah, when he was doing, but not

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like good rapper, Cool cool rocksteady.
We did the one where he had Yolanda.
Well, let's deal. Cool.
Rock steady when? He went he went across to the
and he's passed away. So rest in peace of great, great
Chicago. MC Cool Rock Steady died many,
many years ago. Yeah, yeah, we were OK.

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I mean, so like that. But Dutch master was, I never
performed as that. That was like my name.
Like for the first like six months, I'm like, I'm the Dutch
master, you know? Cigars.
Did you? Did you have like the cigar on
your ear? No.
I wasn't, no, I, I didn't even honestly when I first started in
that game, I was like 18/17/18. I didn't even smoke.

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See. I.
Started smoking when I was like 19.
You. Wasn't living your gimmick then?
No and then no. Because you know.
I didn't dude. We did.
When we did, it evolved so much.Like, you know, because.
I started doing like candy wrap shit, you know what I mean?
Yeah, because rap back then was about the gimmick.
Yeah, You know, it was like Hickory Dickory dock, you know,

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like. And then we changed to like
different types of stuff and we were like.
Gangster rap. No, not really.
It was. We were more like hieroglyphics.
OK. Yeah.
OK, uncle, so you know, but thatwas a good idea.
Together and one of the big tragedies of my life is there's

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two well one of them was that when we when my apartment I got
kicked out of an apartment. I know this is completely we
always do this every of. Course, that's what we're
supposed to do, but, but. We so I had an apartment in 98.
OK. You got to remember I was doing
all this stuff well before YouTube, well before camera

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phones. So we all the stuff that we did,
we put it on, you know, videotape.
VHS. Yeah.
And yeah. And that like it was the smaller
like video like you. Put it betamax, I think it's
called. Yeah, and it wasn't Betamax.
I know what we talking a little small.
Wasn't a half a camcorder that you have to hook up to the TV

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and stuff? Yeah.
And what is that called? Inside of a bigger videotape,
like a regular VHS sized tape. We.
Would do we would do all the we always had somebody doing the
video. And so I had an apartment and
two of the two of the four of usthat were in that group lived in
that apartment. And we had we had done like
maybe like 14 or so like shows over like a five year period and

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half of them we had on tape. And then we had, we had like a
lot of like, well, you know, blunt sessions where we were
just like sitting around smokingweed.
And we had a bunch of other local Chicago rap groups that
were like, also like unknowns like us.
Nobody who knew who the fuck we were outside of like the outside
of Chicago, you know, like we weren't even really known in
Chicago. We were known like in the

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suburban, you know, the near city areas and, and a little bit
in the city, but it was mostly like a real suburban thing.
And so like we were kind of locally well known and there was
like 9 or 10 other groups that were kind of also like that.
And we were all kind of friends,you know, so we would, my, I

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still have friends this day, Scotty and Chris Bibbs and these
guys who were like, you know, wewould, we would.
And they were great. They were all like super, really
good MCS. I mean, you know, I was like in
the middle of the pack. And we would have these blunt
sessions where, like, we would just like, sit around our
apartment and pass blunts and just freestyle.
And it was like 1/2. Sometimes it was fucking great,

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other times it was incoherent nonsense, right?
You know? But all this, we would tape it
all. And then when I got evicted,
they threw away my couch, my TV,everything, including all of our
tapes. That sucks.
For like, except for like 5. So I had like five of them.
And then Wayne, this other guy had, he had some more.

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And then when I got divorced in like 2007, I had like 5 tapes
left and my ex threw those away with all the rest of my stuff.
So there's absolutely, there's like 4 photographs of any of
this that exist anymore. So like a lot of people are
like, oh you know, never fucking.

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And the one guy who did have it,he ended up going to prison for
like 10 years. I don't talk to him anymore for
a lot of reasons because he turned out to be not really good
dude. Yeah, and he's in prison.
Stuff, but I'm not interested intalking to him if if you know
what he went to jail for, you would understand why I don't
want to talk. To him, I can probably guess it.
It's bad shit. Yeah, I can probably guess it.

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I won't guess on the podcast. I'll guess after the podcast.
Yeah, it's bad shit. I don't, I don't want to.
I I don't want to talk about that.
Yeah, I like I said, I'll guess after the podcast there's a
reason why, but we'll we'll continue on.
Yeah, what a 9 minute answer to a.
That's a great, great answer. Great answer.

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Question #3 Dutch David Lynch just passed away.
Do you know who David Lynch is? No fucking clue.
Do you have You don't know who David Lynch is?
No, God damn it Dutch. I don't know pop culture people.
You ever watch Twin Peaks? Clearly.

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Yeah, You don't watch anything, you know, Like I am amazed, you
know? I am.
The reason why I'm on the show is because my habits are instead
of watching TV shows, I watch geopolitical podcasts and
documentaries and history shows and you know, all like that.

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I'm a nerd. I don't watch.
The only stuff I watch is what we've talked about.
You know, yeah. I've watched like the main
stuff, like the Marvel, the StarWars, like I love that stuff,
but I don't, you know, Walking Dead, you know that Game of
Thrones, like the biggest, I don't watch.
David Lynch should be up your alley.
That's what I was Thought you would know David Lynch because
he OK, I'm gonna keep some stuff.
He he made, he made all Twin Peaks, which you haven't

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watched. So that's I mean, that's a
thing. Eraser Head.
I'm I'm aware of Twin Peaks thatit exists, but I never watched
that. Yeah, you watched.
Have you watched the Dune movie from 1984?
Yeah, like maybe back in like 87.
Yeah, he he doing. Pretty good though.
Yeah, he made that. He's he's like a critically
acclaimed director. Yeah, I never heard of him.

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Wow. It's fascinating the things that
you that you've never heard of. All right, so I'm going to
change the question in, yeah, Dutch, Mitch McConnell's
retiring. What is your favorite Mitch
McConnell moment? I don't have a favorite Mitch
McConnell moment. You have to have one.
I have one. The most diabolical thing that

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that he ever did was, you know, with the Supreme Court like I,
I, the, the Mitch McConnell is just the absolute snake.
I mean there. I agree.
There's there's, he's truly one of the most damaging politicians
in the history of this country for what, 4 decades?
Yeah, still like 20 decades. You know, and I wouldn't be
surprised if he was him and Joe Biden were and Bernie chilling

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with Methuselah, you know what Imean?
Like that look those the the allthese old and fucking Pelosi too
like. You know, the, the best Mitch
McConnell moment is the moment, I think that was last year.
But he was like in a speech and he just froze up like a deer in

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headlights. And he had to like, like, like,
like, like, like his, like his battery died.
It was the wildest, one of the wildest things I've ever seen in
my life. Was that, was that like like
from like maybe four or five years ago where where the
obviously they started calling them where the turtle nickname
really started? No, that wasn't that long ago.

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It was like the last year. It was like the last year.
Well, he because it was around. I know it was last year because
it was around the time when people start talking about
Biden's health declining, and then all of a sudden this was
yeah, yeah, yeah. But McConnell was out there.
I want to see it happen twice. Yeah, I, I know exactly where
you're talking. I forgot what the what the

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kerfuffle was, but it was, it was bad.
Yeah, it was a bad one. I I remember that that took
place recently. It's one of the few times I like
legit felt baffled like Oh my God I remember.
Tweeting after that, I don't remember what exactly what was
he screwed up, but it was something like like just Captain
Obvious style. And he and I remember tweeting

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it, you know, as and and of course right wingers, they're
they don't care, you know, abouthypocrisy.
They're like Mitch McConnell is that.
But there's a really strong group of right wingers who don't
like McConnell. Though oh especially now because
he started like saying stuff against Trump so they do not
like him. They.

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Didn't really, they didn't really care for him before, but
he, I mean, and that's why like I don't have a favorite moment
for this guy. Like he, he his most notorious
moment obviously came in 2016 And and the, the, the absolute
blatant hypocrisy of Amy Coney Barrett after what happened with

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what's his, what's his face? Merrick Garland, you know, and,
and he's oh, but that was a lameduck presidency.
This one's not. I'm like, yeah, but you didn't
say that before. You know what I mean?
Like, you just you made that up.And he, you know, he fucked this

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country. Now, granted, you probably you,
you would still have a majority in the Supreme Court regardless
because a lot of people think that he stole two Senate seats.
And those people are correct, hedid steal 2 Senate seats, but he

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technically he only stole one because because if the first he
wouldn't have had the opportunity to steal the second
one. If he did the the second one
would have been moot if the other one had gone through.
Right? So you can say he stole Merrick
Garland, which is what I do because.

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But then, but but like, if let'ssay that he that they were like,
oh, OK, you know, we'll we'll allow the Merrick Garlic 1
Garland when to go and we'll putin Gorsch.
But then and let's just say, OK,well, that was the they've
changed the law. It is what it is.
It was legit. Well, then you have to say stole

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Amy Coney Barrett or or you haveto say the opposite, right?
Like he would Trump under the whatever the rule was that was
defined, Trump would have gottento.
So he changed the he changed therule to get a third one and it
was just very hypocritical. So.
Yeah. And I, I, I have the
information. He it was 2023.

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It happened twice in 2023 when Mitch McConnell froze.
It was like what I'm looking at.It was in July and in August.
Was it when he what, what what was he talking about?
Refresh my memory. Was it?
You praying? Trans people because it's
probably what it was. I'm trying not to play the can I
I can't because I can play the video here, but they they've

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apparently no, I'm not paying you fuck off Washington Post
paywall. The paywall post.
Yeah, they they watch the video.OK, I can tell you what.
Is that's Bezos? OK, I have it.
McConnell took questions from reporters in Covington, KY,
after talking with a local group.
The reporter asked him about running for re election in 2026.

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Then he repeated the inquiry twice when McConnell couldn't
hear, according to the video on incident.
McConnell at the time, 81, chuckled and said oh that's and
stop speaking for about 7 seconds.
An aide approached and asked theSenate if he heard the question.
McConnell then stared straight ahead.

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Yep. I remember that one.
And asked the aide and the aide asked reporters to give him a
minute. Another aide walked over and
spoke to McConnell, who signaledhe was fine.
Then McConnell cleared his throat, said OK and continue to
take questions. Yeah, I remember.
Yep, and that was his I'm. Not going to laugh at the guy

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for having, you know, being old.Of course not, but that's.
I'll laugh. I'll laugh at the guy because
he's a shithead. Yes, that was, that was more of
a shocking moment because you realize, Oh my God, like, why is
he out there doing this? And that kind of goes into,
well, I'm going to, I'm going tothrow your softball for question
#4 question #4 do you think we should have term limits on every

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position in government? Yeah, 100%.
That's the that that is one of the baseline progressive
tenants. I agree absolutely.
I think we. I don't know what they should
be. I I think 3 terms in the Senate
is where I would think is the limit, 18 years.

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I would probably then say 10 terms in Congress, which would
be 20 years in ballpark. Same maybe, maybe, maybe 6 terms
in Congress 12 years 'cause technically the Senate is the
the higher chamber. So I mean, I, I don't know what
I I, I what the term limit should be, I don't know.
But we don't need any more NancyPelosi bullshit.

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We don't need most of these politicians.
Now, I do think that if you like, you know, I, I could, I
could sign a waiver for, you know, a guy who maxed out his
congressional term and then wentinto the Senate.
I, I wouldn't be a fan of that, but like I'd sign that waiver,
you know what I mean? Like it's different position,
like you can run for something else.
Yeah, I'm fine with that, by theway.

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You know, but or like run for president or become vice
president. So like in a way you could still
end up being in power for decades and decades and decades,
but it would be, it would be a way less people.
Yes, you could run for like, let's say you could be a part of
the Senate for 10 years, and youcould be a part of the House of
Representative for 10 years. Yeah, well, you'd have to be a

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the Senate would have to be 12 or 18.
Yeah, I'm just making up numbers.
Not good like, but and you can be, you can be president for
eight years. The most important one is the
Supreme Court. That's the one I've.
Got all courts to be honest withyou.
I mean, I think all courts should be elected.
You know, the Supreme Court has given themselves lots of power.

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You know as many of you listening, no judicial review is
a power that is not constitutional and was delegated
to the court by guess who, the court, you know during the
Marshall Court around 18 something. 1800 also something
that I didn't think about till recently.

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If you have people in office for40-50 years, are they really
your constituents? Oh.
Fucking and. And that's my point.
A lot of people love fucking Maxine Waters.
She can fuck off. I'd fucking despise Maxine

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Waters. She is not a fucking good
fucking congresswoman. She has some views that I agree
with and she's done some decent stuff.
But like this woman, this woman does nothing for her district.
Nothing. Nothing for her district in
California. She doesn't even live in it.
She doesn't even go to it. She lives outside of her own
district like she's. That is wild, by the way.

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She could give 2 shits about anything that happens in her
district, you know, like, and she's just the glaring example
because there's this group of people that just worship like
Big Haas loves. He calls her Auntie Maxine, you
know. A lot of people do a lot.
Of I, I disagree. You know, like I.
Well, it's not for you to just read that you.
Try to be careful. About it because.

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You know, she's an African American woman.
And like, you understand that, like, there's a lot of tropes
there. And for a white guy to be
critical of African American woman, there's a lot of people
who do that, you know, with insincere motives, you know, But
I feel the same way about, you know, about Mitch McConnell as I
do about, you know, Nancy Pelosi.

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You know, etcetera. I think this is the difference
when it comes to Maxine Water asopposed to those two because,
and this is based on experience,what I've seen when we talk
about Mitch McConnell, not we, not us too, but in general
people talk about Mitch McConnell or they talk about
Nancy Pelosi. Race is almost never a factor

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into it, right? When it comes to Maxine Water,
water, it is. It always comes up.
Yeah. And that, and you have to be
careful to disseminate that. Yes, you know, it it my problem
with Maxine Waters because Maxine Waters was had some

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important legislation earlier inher congressional career, you
know, along with some of the earlier black females who were
elected to Congress in the in the 80s.
And Maxine Waters, I don't thinkwas elected in the 80s, but, but
she was a slight, a little bit after I think, and then the mid
90s or something like that, if Irecall.

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But so, you know, they're, they had.
So there was some important steps that were taken back then.
We're not, I won't go into those.
But so like, yeah, you can say that the.
But then over the course of the last 15 years or so, she has
disconnected herself from the party and basically done, I

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mean, basically done nothing, you know, except for medal and
identity politics, which and identity politics doesn't do a
God damn thing. And like, I look, I understand
identity politics are necessary sometimes civil rights movement.
Great, I'll sign that waiver too.
You know that they're, they can be useful, like with the

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Stonewall riots and stuff like that.
That was identity politics. What you see happening, you
know, in Hong Kong recently, couple years ago, that was, that
was identity politics. Like I get there.
There's a lot of the the Palestinian situation identity
politics in there and that's andthat's fine in some regards, but

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but they to to center your entire movement around identity
politics. When identity politics are
useless to to winning arguments,they're good to draw attention
to stuff. They're bad to win arguments.
This is why Blue Lives Matter exists is because of identity
politics. This has nothing to do with BLM
as far as like the movement of BLM, but the but like Black

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Lives matter, as necessary as that movement was, it was still
an identity politics movement. And that movement did create all
lives Matter and Blue Lives Matter as counter identity
politics, which is which, which limits the infect and the
effectiveness of that sort of argument.
And the and and that doesn't mean you don't have that

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argument. It doesn't mean that you don't
take those positions, but they centered their entire narrative
around the identity politics of it instead of the history of it,
which is the part that matters. And you know, and that's why you
had, in my opinion at least, that's why those movements

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didn't have the impact that theycould, that they could have had
long term. They were very effective short
term, but like, would you, I don't know, wait, maybe I'm
wrong like that, do you? Think the deal I'm going to, I'm
going to push back a little bit,but not much.
I think you're correct. They didn't have the, the, the

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importance long in long terms. But I, I think that's because
what happened was when you have groups like Blue Lives Matters
and all these other groups and they, they, there's one thing
about Republicans, they're really good with messaging to
their crowd, their audience. And the one thing I think that's

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really different about this generation in particular that I
think, I think Democrats still haven't got it right yet.
Still to this point, they haven't got it right yet.
The fact that they don't, they speak to their audience for a
second and then they let it go. They, they're very bad with
messaging it, I think. And they're.
And they're fake with it. Yes, when you have things like

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Black Lives Matter and stuff like that, well, I think the
movement was was good. And I think it was important to
think the reason why I don't think it was it's sustained was
because they allowed others to dilute the message in the
messaging and they continue to allow others to dilute the
messaging to the point where it didn't matter anymore.

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Just like, you know, that's the one thing the Republicans are
excellent. And I will say they will take
things like DI, they will take things like Black Lives Matter.
They will take things like inclusion words and things that
should not have that much powerful meaning.
There should be things that you should think about off the top
of your head, like, oh, these are things that should be
important and they will make it so.

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Like it's the worst thing in history.
And, and Democrats and these groups haven't found a way to
get around that in the fight against that in an effective
way. Like I'll get a good example,
Make America great again. We, we've seen how people have

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taken that phrase. It's the same thing as it's the
same type of phrase as Black Lives Matter.
On the surface, it should be harmless, but people have taken
that phrase and you should have the rallying call for hate and
racism, right? And the thing about that is,

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while we can see it, it almost doesn't matter because there's
never enough emphasis on it to make it matter if if that makes
sense. Whereas black lives matter,
Black lives matter. They, they're called thugs,
they're called antifa. Then you have, then they put up
controversies. Some are real, some are not real

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about it. And they put that message in so
much about it. Well, that becomes a narrative,
yeah, if you keep diluting that this, this.
But it's something that people been doing for all terms of
history. You know, they did with the
Black Panthers, They did with civil rights movement.
The difference? The Black.
Panthers was very different though that that the Black
Panthers was a was completely propagandized.

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Yes. Those guys never did.
I mean, there was a Black Panther, a former Black Panther
member who murdered a police officer.
Oh yeah, there there's been. That's.
True, but the Black Panthers didn't murder that police
officer. Not to any evidence that I've
ever seen. I could be mistaken, but but
like they're that that organization was antagonizing on

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purpose. Yes, that that was their point.
They wanted to antagonize because they were, they were
being antagonized, you know, butyou, you literally have people
who believe that that was a terrorist organization.
Yes, and, and that's kind of my point, how, how they, the, the
narrative can be twisted. And if we allow it to be

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twisted, it's going to stay twisted.
I think that's the thing that's really harmful about social
media today, because you can go on there and just Pew any kind
of bullshit you want to and it becomes truth.
Right. And just just kind of like,
well, there's a couple points totouch down there as far as it's
becoming true. I'll, I'll remind me of that.
I'll put a pin in the the, that part.

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Yeah. But when it comes to BLM, the
organic Black Lives Matter movement, which obviously
started with a group of of youngladies and was after Ferguson, I
think it was 2014 when the was popularized, if my memory is

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serving me correctly, you know, it was an organic movement.
And then obviously you had Kaepernick on the heels of that,
which is of course very ironic. They when they said later, why
don't they just protest peacefully?
I seem to remember Kaepernick doing exactly that.
And they told him he hated America.

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But but the so there this is, there's two pieces this and I've
had this conversation with Oz where I might have had this
conversation with you, but you have to remember, it's a white
people are fucking sensitive as shit.
Most people, most people with a brain realize that when you say

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black lives matter, what it means, right?
It means that, hey, it kind of appears that at this point in
time, they that they don't matter to the point that they
should. So what Black lives matter
really, what really what it really means is Black lives
matter also or two, right? So, so the, the, the problem

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with the movement was not the movement itself.
And it wasn't even the the IT was the fact that it had the
word black in it and it didn't say also or two.
And that allowed it to be changed into something that it
wasn't and to make And for, for people in the middle who don't
pay attention, it sounds like reverse racism to them.

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And they don't do the take the time to study it.
So my philosophy is don't call it that.
Now I've had this conversation with Hans and I don't know where
you stand on this, but like, I also get it.
I understand the point that black people shouldn't have to
cater to the sensitivities of white people.
Yes. That's true.
So. So I completely understand that.

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So I I'm at a impasse with that where I'm like, OK, well, which
do we do? We bow to the fact that, hey, if
a black entity or group or person comes up with a
particular tagline, and you know, I'm not saying that white
people like me should be able tocome in there and change it, but

(31:37):
because we have a history of telling them, not now, not like
that. And and we need to be sensitive
to that. But at the same time, if we, if
we can look at it and say, like,look, this is going to get
marketed against us in the long term and it might do more, do
some, it might turn people who otherwise would be allies
against it. And then people are like, well,

(31:59):
then fuck them. They weren't allies anyway.
And like, I get it. So like you're, but you're like,
they don't have these problems on the right wing because the
right wing is, is really one coalition, the left wing.
And this is what the Black Panthers, by the by, were
fantastic at. As you know they brought
together coalitions like a mofo bro.
Like they were bringing. Together.

(32:19):
Gay people, white people, poor people, black people, Latinos,
they had a cold and then that was and that and that's what
killed MLKMLK got killed when hedid the poor people's movement,
you know, not because of civil rights.
That's correct. You know, so you know, but but
but the but they use it against us and like and I like long term

(32:41):
when people go back and they listen, they have short term
fucking memories and they don't they forget.
You know, it. It's I don't have the answers to
this. I'm just trying to, like, piece
it together and, like, try to make things make sense to
people. My audience is Joe Schmo in the
middle who doesn't pay any fucking attention.
Yeah. Here's my counter.
It's a small counter. When people we come up with the

(33:03):
name, not we. I didn't come up with it.
But when people come up with thename Black Lives Matter, we
assume that our white counterparts wouldn't know what
we mean by that because of the landscape.
It's, it's almost like we know you're smart.
You, you should get this and thepeople.

(33:26):
And for those who don't get it and feel, it feels like they're
choosing not to get it. Because if you look at the
landscape and you see all these violent killings of young black
men by police officers, that's what started it.
You know, young black men and women getting killed by police
officers. And it seems unjust.

(33:47):
And then we see these police officers constantly getting let
off, getting light sentences, not doing like, you know, just
being set free. And we said this.
Somebody says, you know what? Hey, Black lives matter.
In that context, you should be able to see, you know what?
You're right. But because of the narrative and

(34:10):
because of the way things work, it becomes a thing of, well,
it's black versus white when when actuality, it shouldn't be
black versus white. It shouldn't be right versus
wrong. Like, hey, this group, I own
brothers. Because at the end of the day,
if we truly are a society that exists and live and love each

(34:31):
other, black people and white people should see each other as
brothers standing side by side against all sorts of racism,
hypocrisy and oppression. So when we look at when we have
a situation that we're dealing with some shit and we're like,
hey, our brothers from other races, this is going on in our

(34:52):
community and this is not on us now, you know, we have, of
course there's black on black crimes and things like that.
There's crimes in every community.
Whereas white on white, black onblack which?
Are irrelevant to that conversation.
Yes, but this is something that we cannot help, we cannot do on
our own, We can't stop police brutality on our own.

(35:13):
And we're saying, hey, Black Lives matter, we need your help.
That's what I'm saying. Because all people are being
killed unjustly. And it doesn't matter what they
were doing at the time, OK? He was committing a misdemeanor.
He should not lose his life for a misdemeanor.
Right, and that's the part that gets lost.
Yes, we're asking for help. And then the response is, well,
what about white lives? We care about white lives.

(35:35):
What about Ashley Babbitt? Yeah, and then it becomes an all
right, fam. I pity her.
I honestly do. I pity her.
I, I, I, I pity her family. I don't pity her family.
I have, I have a lot of grief for her family as same as I do

(35:57):
for, you know, for Trayvon Martin and for George Floyd,
etcetera. Because but because they lost
the one that they loved, right? Like, I mean, it's, it's not
that Ashley Babbitt's life didn't matter, but the, what
people forget is that Ashley Babbitt's concert or Ashley

(36:19):
Babbitt's actions ended up actually mattering.
And and it was her actions that caused someone to shoot her.
Now, you could, you could have aconversation as about whether or
not the guy should have fired the bullet or not.
I wish he hadn't in hindsight, you know, but but I also wish

(36:39):
that that they hadn't sat on fucking George Floyd's neck for
fucking however fucking many minutes.
I, I, I look at the Ashley Babbitt situation, I think it,
it bothers me. That situation bothered me for a
completely different reason, because that situation bothered
me because that whole day shouldn't have happened.

(36:59):
It's it was based off of lies, it was based off of conceit, and
it was based off the ego of one man.
Right. But look.
But here's here's the problem that we have.
This is the, this is the genuineproblem that we have.
We all sat there and watched that happen.
You have congressman and senators who are sitting, who

(37:20):
are on the Republican side of the aisle, who sat in the
chamber that day to count the votes, one of whom was Mike
Pence, and hid under desks. But now revisionist history has
set in and they act like it's not a big deal.
And, and the crazy part is if webring up J6, people roll their

(37:49):
eyes at us now. Yeah.
You know, And it's like, and, and they, and they also roll
their eyes when you bring up BLM, except they don't, they
roll their eyes at the, the movement itself instead of at
the, like with J6. They, they, they roll their eyes
at the, at Why are you upset about what happened?

(38:10):
It wasn't, obviously it was a, wasn't a big deal, etcetera.
And with Black Lives matter, it's different.
They, they're like, oh, you know, you're still trying to say
it. That was a legitimate movement.
Like, because we all forget, youknow, and.
But that goes back what I was saying.
Republicans do a great job of changing the narrative.
They're. They're great at messaging.

(38:31):
Democrats are horrendous at it. The the most glaring example of
all time is Defund the police, which included zero defunding of
any police. Yes, yeah.
So like it's like it's like you and I decided to rename Green
Eggs and Ham business card. Yeah.
You know, and I just said that because I have a business card

(38:53):
sitting in front of me like it had.
There's nothing to do with greenEggs or ham, you know, And
obviously I'm exaggerating, but not by much.
Yeah. You know.
Like so the the and and the pin that I was going to put is this
is the other problem that we have when it comes to right

(39:14):
wingers. They're right because they want
to be right. Yeah, exactly.
Any, any evidence showing that they're wrong is to be
disregarded as fake or woke or whatever.
That the, the, the, the idea that they might not be correct

(39:37):
is not that that's not a realistic idea.
They're they're, they are convinced that they are right,
that I am wrong, that you are wrong, and there is no
conversation. Anymore, let me OK, question #5
and it's going to be interesting.

(39:58):
What if question? Are we still on this?
Yeah, we're on the last one. We we were, we were going.
We're a great conversation though.
Do you think in terms of Trump'sre election, is this the worst
case scenario or him getting re elected back-to-back terms would

(40:21):
have been the worst case scenario?
Isn't it funny that when they tried to introduce that
amendment, I don't know if you saw that they, they, they tried
to introduce an it's not going to go any no, but but they,
they, they tried to introduce anamendment that was worded some
somewhere around like any president not elected to

(40:43):
sequential terms can get a thirdterm.
Yes, I remember that nonsense. And they so that meant that they
were trying to open the door fora third term for Trump while
also making sure. Obama.
Would not. Or Clinton for that matter.
Yeah, but Clint's older as fuck.But because they were like,

(41:04):
well, why don't we just make it a third term?
And people were like, no, Obama,Obama will run against them.
And they're like, Oh yeah, that's right, Obama might
actually beat him. Yeah, we better, we better
change it a little bit. But the I, I don't know, like
the I, I honestly don't know. Like, so I wish, I guess, if I

(41:28):
were to be able to go back and change stuff, first of all, if I
had a time machine, I would go back and convince Debbie
Waterman Schultz to not fuck Bernie Sanders in his ass.
OK, that'll be that'll be helpful.
That that's where I would that'swhere Wasserman Schultz, sorry,

(41:48):
that that's where I would go back to.
And you know, that was the beginning of the end for, you
know, Tulsi Gabbard too, becauseafter that she started changing
and really changed after 2020. But the that's where I would go
first. But in in hindsight, because of

(42:10):
the fact that COVID was what COVID was COVID was a big piece
of why Trump didn't get re elected.
His handling of COVID along withthe other stuff, right?
The the second thing that I would go back and change would
be that Biden shouldn't have gotthat nomination in 2020.

(42:33):
I mean it he he was already not he wasn't the greatest.
He was doing terrible. You know, Buttigieg was doing
better. I I've got issues with him too.
But you know, for the most part,I like Buttigieg.
I think he's a skilled orator, which is something that we need.
But they'll probably the second thing is not how about we don't.

(42:58):
And and unfortunately that once the the Democratic Black Caucus
through their weight behind Biden, it was essentially over.
Yeah, but you know, but the but the I think that to kind of
answer the question, if so, so COVID was what COVID was.
And then so if Trump wins that election and say then office,

(43:22):
you're going to have the exact same economic blowback.
Correct. In some it might not be exactly
the same, but but because every,not even because of Trump.
But it'll be over. Now, if I every, every
occurrence in life and in the pattern of our timeline happens

(43:42):
after the event before it, right?
So like you could make an argument just to put this on a
micro scale, like let's say thatyou're watching a baseball game
and a batter goes up and hits a home run, right?
If you were to go back in time to 5 seconds before that batter
hit that home run and throw a peanut at him and it hits him in

(44:04):
the back and he swings 2 secondslater, you know, and so then
take a time out and he's not going to hit the odds are he's
not going to hit a home run on that exact on that pitch again,
right? Because it'll be a different
pitch in a different situation, a different scenario, you know,
and the same thing is with with with the Trump term.
So the you, but you still would have had the vast majority of

(44:25):
that stuff wasn't when it was going to be correlated.
So you still would have probablyhad that freighter that got
stuck in the Strait, the Strait of was it the Hormuz or the Suez
Canal? Oh, Suez Canal, you know, that
was a, a big thing. You still would have had the
conflict in Yemen. You still would have had, you
know, the 2018 Israeli conflict.I'm sorry, the 2021 is Israeli

(44:47):
conflict. And then that was the one before
the one that took place in 2020.Well, Russia wouldn't invade a
Ukraine. Russia.
Russia probably does still invade Ukraine.
I don't. Think Trump said he wouldn't
stop it? I don't think that that that's
going to. So now that might have happened
drastically differently because Trump probably would have, and

(45:09):
maybe it would have been better.You know, Trump probably would
have just allowed Putin to go inand take Ukraine.
Yeah, I think that's probably would have been more likely that
probably be more likely to happen.
We probably wouldn't have gave it any funding or aid to Ukraine
and Ukraine would be Ukraine probably would be Russian
territory right now well at. Least the the dumbass and the

(45:33):
the southern portion of Ukraine,which is what they want.
They see Russia doesn't really want all of Ukraine.
They, they want, they want the, the eastern half and the
southern half. And the reason why they want the
eastern half is because it's very ethnically Russian.
And the reason why that they want the southern half is

(45:53):
because they want the deep waterports and they want the grain
that's like the, that's a huge grain, one of the predominant
wheat growing areas in the world.
But, you know, so that is a hugenatural resource and Russia
needs that money. But the, the main thing is, is
they want, that's why they want to Crimea.

(46:13):
That's why I took Crimea in 2014was because of A, that was more
ethnically Russian. That part is true.
But B, they wanted that port. You know, you have to have the
you if you're going to counteract the United States
Navy, you have to have as many deep water ports as possible.
You can't just have a port that like water touching a beach.

(46:34):
You have to have a deep water port where you can put a fucking
battleship, right. So those part and that's why
we're having all of this conversation right now.
By the way, to those who don't know, that's why we're talking
about Greenland. That's why we're talking about
Canada. It's got nothing it, it has very
little to do with the natural resources in the short term
because all of the all of the resources that are in Greenland

(47:00):
are there. There's probably $2.5 trillion
in resources in Greenland. But but the the more immediate
thing is that waterway that goesup between Greenland and the
archipelago of islands that are like above Canada.
And because as because of globalwarming, which oddly enough,
they deny, you have that water starting to become navigable by

(47:26):
freighter without the need for an icebreaker more often than it
used to be because of global warming.
And they're thinking it's going to be half the year in about 5-6
years, might be half the year that you could put freighters
above Canada and through Greenland, which is the
alternative route to the Panama Canal.
This is this has a lot to do with global shipping and that's

(47:48):
going to be a fucking huge, fucking shit ton of money for
Canada. And that's why the US also for
quite some time, even under Biden, the US disputed the the
northernmost, I think it's called the Northwest passages
that the name or the northern passage or whatever they refer
to it as. But that even Biden disputed

(48:10):
that, that as being Canadian sovereign territory and said it
was international waters, which is wrong.
But that that's the, the, a lot of this has to do with global
shipping. But the, but I think that you
still would have seen a massive supply shortage if you know,
you, you still would have had a lot of the same issues.

(48:30):
And you might not because Russiamay or may not have had the
exact same sequence of events with Ukraine.
That's the major thing that would have been probably a
little bit different. And maybe, like I said, maybe it
would have been a little bit better because maybe he just
gives it to him and then all those people are alive.
Yeah, they're living under subjugated rule now and have
their their, their territory taken from him, but which is

(48:52):
still bad. But they're not also not dead.
And so that Biden end up gettingblamed with a lot of stuff that
was global, you know, gas priceswent up.
They didn't really have anythingto do with Biden, didn't really
have anything to do with Trump. Be honest with you, you know,
but the, but like the gas price just went up because of the,

(49:13):
because of the, the what happened with the supply chain
and, and, and with COVID and allthat type of jazz.
Israel and Palestine went up so big deal 7. 8-9 percent interest
or I'm sorry, inflation in the United States, but our, but our
inflation and, and our inflationwas what I think it peaked at
9.1 globe like Turkey was like 42 fucking percent.

(49:37):
You know what I mean? Like like so like we did OK,
really only China did better. China had like 1%.
But you know, if, if Trump had been in office for all that he
got blamed with all of it, then you probably have a opportunity
now for the Democrats to have won this last election with

(49:59):
someone other than Kamala. So again, long fucking answer,
but that's my opinion. I mean, I don't, I don't have a
time machine though, so I, I can't really say, but probably
would have been better because we wouldn't be, he wouldn't be
president now. Yeah, that was my thing.
He wouldn't be president now. I don't know, but it's kind of

(50:19):
tricky because I'm, I'm thinkingnow about the, the Israel and
Palestine thing and how he wouldhave handled that like well.
That was going to happen one wayor the other.
Yes, but it would have happened during his term.
And yeah, and one of the most salient things that he's ever
said is that it's just going to happen again.
When he talks about that, he's exactly correct.

(50:42):
He is. You know, and we know this
because it's happened every three to four years for since
the 70s, you know, so he's not wrong and that not in that
regard. No, he's not.
So let's get down to what I wantto actually come talk to you
about. Which, oddly enough, I have no

(51:02):
fucking idea what it is. I'm glad you don't.
Yeah, I have. No, I have no clue what we're
going to talk about. I hope it's not pop.
I hope it's not directors of movies in the. 90s No, because
you don't, because you don't know shit.
You don't know a goddamn thing. Dutch.
Well, OK. Well, I wanted to talk to you
about because we're talking about Trump.
Talk about the Life and Times ofSusan Sarandon.

(51:27):
It's been roughly, let's call it30 days Trump been in office.
God, it's been only 30 days. Yeah, 'cause it it was January
20th, right I. Just thought of that right now.
Yeah, that's the reason why I had you a surprise motherfucker.
You're telling me that we're only 30 days into this term?
30 days in I. It feels like longer than.

(51:52):
That yes, it's only been 30 days.
January 20th is his official first day Martin Luther King
birthday. Congratulations.
So I want to ask you because I think it's a good time to ask,
and we'll probably do this periodically, every three months
or so, maybe six months. We'll see.
How do you think he's doing so far?

(52:12):
Oh. My God, who?
From whose perspective? Any perspective like yours if
you? Voted for it, you love it.
He's done. He's got a lot done in the 1st
30 days, I want to say. Well, it seems like.
Let me rephrase that. I mean, if you're going to give

(52:34):
a president credit for doing, for just taking actions, he's
the most successful president inthe history of the United States
in the 1st 30 days. Like if, if that's your, if
that's your measuring stake, youknow which which it often is
with presidents. Yes.
You know that that's just the truth.

(52:55):
Like they're like, well, what dothey pass?
They don't always look at like whether it was good policy, you
know, we look at what, you know,that they look at the numbers of
things, you know, so he's delivering on his campaign
promises. The only campaign promise that
he's not delivering on is the one that you and I talked about,
which we knew he was going to deliver on.

(53:16):
And that was the mandate for leadership, AKA Project 2025,
which we talked about ad nauseamback in what, August or some
shit? Yes.
So, you know, and everything that we talked about then and I
and honestly, like, I was kind of like, I was kind of like, you

(53:37):
know, if you go back and listen to that one, I was kind of like,
look, this is probably not like the end of the world.
Big deal. Like he doesn't really, there's
nothing forcing him to do any ofthis stuff.
We knew that he was lying when he said he didn't know what the
fuck it was like. Obviously we we knew that he was
going to do a lot of this shit. But the the pace at which he's

(53:59):
done it is surprised me. I thought it was going to.
I knew that they were going to try to do stuff, but the the
checks and balances that were supposed to be in place are
being this disassembled at a rate that is surprising me.

(54:19):
OK, I can't wait for the unemployment numbers to come out
next. Week I got I got some
information because I I wanted to I wanted to get like a good
timeline and most of these timelines are like either
left-leaning or right leaning soI don't like it because I want
to try to get something that's fair and in the middle yeah fair
and bounce but this one I got I'll just give you the headline
like you know the. News, fair and bounce.

(54:42):
Give you the Cliff. Those things that he's he's he's
trying to do. OK, I'm gonna read them all to
you. Birthright citizenship.
Trump's executive order seeks toend constitutional protection
and immediately challenged in District Court.
Was immediately challenged in District Court by New Hampshire,
Massachusetts. The end.
This is his challenge to end birthright citizenship asylum
axis. You want to go over that?

(55:03):
One can we pause on that one real quick because that's the
one that matters most. OK, so for the listeners out
there, what you're want to what you're going to want to research
on this is I want to say the case was from 18O2 or something
like that, eighteen O 18 something.

(55:23):
It's called the Wong case. OK, so you're what what you want
to do and you don't have to do this now.
That's the case they're going togo after, in my opinion.
Now, if Delvin wants to give youa better, a better breakdown of
that particular case, I'm not a legal expert, That's attorney
Anna, like Anna can come on here, break all that shit down

(55:44):
way more eloquently, eloquently than I can.
But I, I am convinced personallythat that is the case that
they're going to go after. And oddly enough, I was doing a
constitutional study. I was just doing a reading an
audio listen to an audio book onthe Constitution where they go

(56:05):
through a lot of benchmark courtcases.
And this was a book that was written like before all of it.
Like it was like to 8 year old book and they were talking about
the Wong case. And I was probably listening to
this like maybe like 5 or 6 daysbefore the inauguration.
I just coincidence. And I was like, and I was
sitting there, I'm listening, I'm thinking about this Wong

(56:26):
case. And I'm like the dissenting
opinion of in the Wong case is what they're is what the current
Supreme Court is going to make the majority opinion.
They got to find a way to get the Wong case in front of the
Supreme Court or get a case likeDobbs in front of the Supreme

(56:46):
Court that will then 'cause themto overturn Wong in the same way
that Dobbs overturned Roe if. That yes, ending birth, fight,
citizenship, that's the plan, which is crazy.
Yes, that that that and they're very, they're saying the quiet
part very, very loudly. And the Wong case is basically

(57:08):
the benchmark case on that. So go back and research that
case listener and pay close attention to the dissenting
opinion and what and what that, what the dissenting opinion
means is the the Supreme Court found that Wong was the United
States citizen. He was a Chinese immigrant like
I think a real world worker and I forget the exact reason why he

(57:30):
was what he was being discriminated against but they
said he wasn't AUS citizen Supreme Court said that he was.
But of the 98 I think I forgot how many justices there were at
the time. Marshall Court, I believe they
the majority opinion prevailed, but the dissenting opinion was
hey, we don't agree with this ruling.

(57:53):
This is why that dissenting opinion of the minority of
judges in that case, I can almost assure you is will be the
majority opinion. I'm guessing 54.
I don't think Roberts will sign on to it, but I think the other
six will. Other five will.
OK, it's. Very important to that that that

(58:17):
to me that's the most important thing.
OK, let's get to the next one then, because we got a lot to go
over for week. I know you want to talk about
these a solemn accents. Trump executive order suspends
access to asylum seekers at the southwest border and is being
challenged by the ACLU and otherimmigration policy advocate

(58:38):
groups for violation, violating the congressional act and
attempting to bypass Congress. So what do you got to say about
that one, Dutch? Well, asylum is agreed to under
international law as part of theGeneva Convention, if my memory
serves. I again, I had no idea we're
talking about any of this stuff.So you're getting Jason's

(59:00):
memory. OK, that's fine.
So if someone is present at AUS Port and they feel that they are
in danger where they're at, they're allowed to stay in in in
the country seeking asylum protection under international
law. We comply with that

(59:22):
international law, big bold letters here.
We were the one of the ones who were instrumental in writing
that law. So if they're and, and for
people who fear persecution or discrimination or harm in their
home country, you know, there's certain countries have different

(59:46):
levels of asylum law, like Haiti, you know, Taiwan,
there's, there's, you know, it'seasier from some countries than
it is from, from others. And in fact, Trump is expediting
asylum from South Africa, which which you saw, I'm sure, for

(01:00:08):
white people, of course. So.
Which which is just absolutely like.
Expected. I mean, it's not even quiet like
it's just like, you know, and and like, look, South African
government, I'm not going to sitthere and pretend that they're
like of ally to the US. They're a bricks country.

(01:00:32):
You know, like they're, they're they're pretty adversarial to to
the West. And I mean, I sometimes and
there's a lot of reasons to be adversarial to the West, but
they're but you know, they're also we live in the West.
So like, what are we going to do?
Like you got to eat. You want it to be fair, but you
don't, you don't want your economy to collapse.
So but they're, they're making. And so the biggest problem with

(01:00:57):
asylum in the United States is we don't have enough asylum
courts. We don't have enough judges.
We don't have enough places to keep these folks.
And this is, this is not a topicthat I can properly address #1
in a short time and #2 off my sleeve, you know, because I've,

(01:01:20):
I've got an entire notebook about this stuff, but I don't,
it's not sitting in front of me.So the, and I'm not going to go
grab it right now, But but the the the longest short of it is
that it's to my eye, this is asylum against certain people
that look a certain way or that have a certain trade skill set

(01:01:43):
that will be treated differentlythan others.
When they say merit based every black person in America
shouldn't. I'm sure knows what that means
way better than me. Correct.
That's that bullshit. So, but we didn't have enough
people, we don't have enough judges.
And that was one of the things that the, that the Immigration

(01:02:09):
Act in 2024 was going to address, was going to put more
asylum judges into place and expedite the time to hear asylum
hearings and figure out which ones are real and which ones are
memorex 'cause there's a lot of bogus asylum claims.
Like, I'm not going to sit here and tell you that every person

(01:02:32):
walks across the border and claims asylum needs an asylum
claim. Like, of course not.
People are full of shit sometimes, you know, but, but
we're, but we got to do our due diligence because of
international law that we agreedto.
I agree. You're correct.
All right, let's see. There's a lot more to go over.

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We're going to go over all those.
Let me hold on one second. This thing is asking me for my
e-mail because it doesn't want me to finish reading it.
Of course it does. Maybe pull that for you.
I got it. All right, the next one, and

(01:03:16):
this is I'm going to bulk a lot of these together because this
this is a lot. The firing of federal employees
also added with federal funding freeze, federal worker buyout,
lot of these things get rid of federal employees and stuff like
that. So let's talk about that a

(01:03:36):
little. Bit we're going to love the
unemployment numbers like I said, that would be fucking
awesome if they report the legitnumbers, you know, and federal
employees. I'm not an expert on this
either, but I know that they getthat they're, they don't get

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unemployment the same way. It's different.
So I don't have the answer of that off top of my head, but I,
I do know that the way that theycollect unemployment is that
they get unemployment is differently, but it is going to
impact I, I'm, I'm going to imagine that they're going to
release the unemployment numbers.

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So there's a lot of different columns in unemployment.
If you ever look at the unemployment numbers, you got
U1U2U3U689. Usually U-6 data is what's going
to be, you know, published, which a lot of people think it's
not the right one. I think it's one of the other
ones, not my area of expertise, but I would imagine they'll

(01:04:42):
fudge it one way or the other. And then people, smarter people
smarter than me will, will talk about it.
But as far as the, the, the like, look, it's a difficult
conversation for me to have because Bernie talked about
trimming the bureaucracy as well.
And, and there's no doubt that we have a big bureaucracy in the

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United States. So I hope that in the long run,
some of this will have some positive impact, even if it's by
accident. But Trump is not doing this
benevolently. He's doing it to get rid of
people he thinks might not agreewith him, people that are what

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he calls career politician, you know, career bureaucrats.
And that's true in some of thosecases, I'm sure, you know,
maybe, maybe we do need to deploat vote a little bit.
And we said that in the progressive wing for a long
time. So like I it's hard.
I'm not going to come out and bea hypocrite all of a sudden and
say, Oh yeah, we should never touch the bureaucracy because
I'm not a hypocrite, right? But the ones that he, or at

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least I try not to be hypocrite too often, you know, but the but
the ones that he's trimming are the ones that he thinks are
woke. Yes.
And he doesn't know what that word means.
Well, let's let's get to that ending of DEI programs.
Trump signed several executive orders aimed at ending

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diversity, equity and inclusion program within the federal
government, including the at theFederal Aviation Administration.
The orders are being challenged in court by various associations
and the city of Baltimore for suppressing free speech,
threatening congressionally and pointed grant money and
presidential overreach of the constitutional authority.

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Yeah, give your thoughts on thatone, Dutch.
DEI is just, I mean, they don't even know what they're going
after. They just think it's, they think
it, they think it sounds like BLM, they think it sounds scary.
It's the hot word of the year now.
You know it. The the.
Which Republicans do a lot, by the way, You.
Remember the line from the movieCrash?

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One of the great movies, by the way.
How would how would you know youdon't watch movies?
Well, Crash, Crash. I, I mean, I watch, I do watch
movies. I just don't know like who's in
you know, or, or I don't know who directed them and like where
they were filmed and shit like, but like Crash.
Crash is a great movie. Yes, it is.

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And, you know, there's that scene with Matt Damon and the
actress, who is Loretta Swift. That might be right.
Yeah. Loretta Devine, right.
Sounds right. You know where he's yelling at
her, telling her she just basically took the job from a

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white guy, right? That's what Trump thinks all of
these people are, you know, and like, he, he's, it's, it's so
interesting too, because the, the, the, the Republicans during
CPAC and during the campaign, they had two C packs this last
cycle. They, they paraded, you know,

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black people and Hispanic peoplearound, you know, like it was
fucking crazy. Yeah.
You know, and they were literally doing DEI.
Yeah. And they and then they're like,
oh, by the way, we don't like DEI unless they're talking about
us as as a good like Tim Scott is like the king of DEI for the

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right wing, like he is the rightwing DEI guy.
Yes, and and Candace Owens like you know, so though I will
Candace Owens, like she has someinteresting views on Palestine.
I'll give her that though. I very much so.
Though she's an anti semite though too.
Yeah so. But anyway, yeah, like it this,

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that's the one that's I really can't say because they think
everything is DEI. You know, they think that like
air traffic controllers must suck Dicks because they because
we had a DEI program in place, which I don't even think they
actually did. DEI is the new work woke?

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They they, they make it seem so like biggest example of the of
of the of DEI conversation last couple years was Katanji Brown
Jackson. Yeah.
Kamala too but but excuse me butKatanji, am I saying your name
right? Katanji.
Yes, Katanji Brown Jackson was accused of being DEI.

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Katanji Brown Jackson is the most qualified associate justice
easily like, you know, like theybut they just said but but
again, Biden was like, if Biden hadn't said anything first, then
we don't have as much of this conversation.
He messed up. He he, he played, he showed his
car by saying I want to get a black woman in office and, and

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in the Supreme Court. Yeah, and which which I I think
she was great pick. Great pick.
He should have just. He just, he should have just did
it. Yeah.
Don't and don't say nothing. Don't open yourself up to a
right cross because you don't know how to block it.
Yeah, and he's slow because he'sold.
You know, and now shouldn't haveto also.

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Right, but. But guess what?
We live in a world where you do,and we learned all these lessons
in 2020. I was like how we're going to
lose the marketing battle. But yeah, we.
Shouldn't be losing the marketing battle, we are
correct, but but we lose the marketing battle, you know.
But that's the, but that's the problem.

(01:10:45):
It's like if you ever watched these old like movies from like
the 80s and the 70s and these old TV shows where you have this
nerdy guy and he said, hey, guys, maybe we shouldn't do
that. And they're like, shut up, nerd.
We have become the nerd. Like in so many words, like we
we, we could be right, but nobody gives a fuck because

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we're the Lord. Like I said before, and this
will be a recurring theme of I, I write this so much, doesn't
matter. We're right.
They're not open to the idea that they're wrong.
Yeah, they don't care. So.
You know so but but to just circle back to KBJ over
overwhelmingly qualified, way more qualified than than ACB Amy

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Coney Barrett. But people just, if you ask a
random person on the street is Kitanji Brown Jackson qualified
be a Supreme Court Justice, they're going to say no because
they believe the fucking headline that she just got the
job because she was black. You know, it's like, what people

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don't think about is, is that black women are the most
educated demographic in the country.
When you take the number one prospect from the number one
farm system, you're probably going to have the number one
superstar use a sports context. And I think it applies very
well. But they don't think of it that

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way. You know, they, they, they, they
think of it differently. It's, it's, they're, I don't
know it, it, it's, it's very frustrating, but because people
don't and like when you tell someone, hey, by the way, black

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women are the most educated, youknow, demographic in the, in the
country, you know, then they, they shit on that and they're
like, oh, well, that just means they went to see woke Marxist
professors. You.
Know they they changed the narrative OK, they changed the
narrative so they say no so. You're not interested in
conversation. Then you know all.
Right. Great.
Got it. Because they don't want to hear

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it. They don't want to hear the
truth. People are still living.
They're. Not going to.
They're not open to the idea that they're at my what I told
them and what you just what you said whenever it's not even
worth researching. Yeah.
Because we have to be making this up.
Yeah. The people people are still
living in the time where everybody just thought that the
smartest person in the woman wasthe Asian man.

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Yeah. That's that's, that's, that's
these people mindset. Sometimes that's true.
Sometimes that's true. Sometimes it's not.
Yeah, it's just fact, the matter, you know, sometimes
things change, you know. This next one I'm going to bring
up Dutch, and I don't even know how to bring this up.

(01:13:34):
Some would just call it literally what it is, the
erasure of transgenders from allaspects of government.
Oh. My.
God and of like everything, justthe erasure of trans people from
the military, from the military,from sports, from any from any

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facet of government. And of course, listen, it's,
it's a lot here. It's a lot here when it comes to
this like ending gender affirming medical care, banning
transgender military from the banning transgender military
service. The government has to recognize

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only two sexes, prevent transgender female inmates from
serving time in women's prisons and ending gender affirming care
for those in federal prisons. Yeah, it's, it's a lot here, so
much here. It's it's mind boggling.
Yeah, the last two are sort of the areas where I'm willing to

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engage in a conversation. There must be a goddamn good
reason to, to do that for an inmate.
Now, I mean, if you're talking about an inmate who's like in
jail for, you know, murder or something like that.
I, I don't even want to give himasthma medication, to be honest

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with you. I, I have very, my thoughts are
when it comes to like stuff likethe death penalty and stuff like
I'm, I'm conflicted like that. Like Mikey and I have had this
conversation and you know, he's,he has a very good argument when
it comes to that stuff. He he does, he has, he has, he
makes, he makes a good case. I'm not over like I haven't

(01:15:25):
changed my opinion completely, but I'm, I'm like I'm, I'm not
trying to say I'm right. I'll give you my hot take on the
death penalty real quick. The death penalty should be only
reserved for people when you are100% positive they did the most,

(01:15:47):
yes, the most heinous act possible.
And I say this because I've seentoo many cases where innocent
black men and black women, blackand minorities in general get
sentenced to the death penalty. And then it become, and then it
becomes a case of hey, we need to get them out.
We found they're not guilty. And then time goes by, then they

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don't get out and then they losetheir life.
They spent their whole life in prison and then they die in
prison for a crime they didn't commit.
Or they spend their whole life in prison and then at the 9th
hour they get out and then most of their life is over with.
I think that's pretty fucked up.I think that it we at the
country do a better job protecting people from things
like that happening. Yeah, I, I don't disagree with

(01:16:28):
that. I, I think our, we have a
punitive, we have a punitive andprivately most, not all
privately owned, but mostly a lot of private ownership in our
penitentiaries and it's the worst in the world.

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We have the most incarceration of any quote UN quote free
country. You know which China I consider
the the the Uyghurs to be incarcerated.
I consider the Palestinians be incarcerated, you know, but most
people don't so even even use sousing that, you know, more

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common definition. We have the most so, and we also
have the worst recidivation recidivism.
The first time. Recidivization.
It's a hard word to say. I probably should look at it to

(01:17:32):
make sure I'm pronouncing it right.
But going back to jail after you, you know, went the first
time, yes, you know, and that's what that word I can't pronounce
means. So, you know, we, we, we
certainly need to reform our prison system.
We did back when I was doing Digon America podcast, we did a, a

(01:17:54):
whole fucking 30 minute docudrama, whatever you want to
fucking call it on, on the for profit prisons.
So yeah, that definitely needs work.
But as far as trans people go, this is a very complex situation

(01:18:17):
because people and, and, and so if you're listening to this
podcast and I, I'm going to beg with you to bear with if you, if
you think every single thing that I've said so far is
nonsense, great. Bear with me on this one point,

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OK? I'm not a trans person.
I don't get it. No, I don't understand, right?
I don't understand. I don't, I don't understand.
Now, I had never understood because I'm not part of that
community. There's no other people and you
know it. But if you're like, well, you
know, trans people and you know,guys playing girls sports and,

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and you know, the sex changes for inmates, you know, those,
those, those are the low hangingfruit because even I'm willing
to engage in a conversation on those things.
Just remember that most people like myself and like Delwyn,
we're we're every single one of us on DOA, Mikey and and house

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Anna. We were all interested in having
that conversation. Neil deGrasse Tyson talks about
this a lot. He's interested in the
conversation. We have to have the conversation
and maybe we don't have the right answer right now.
The answer, by the way, is not like make a all trans sports
league. That's a stupid answer, right?
You got you got like .2% of the population that's trans are

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going to make out every sport, you know, like you have the same
guy playing every fucking sport,you know.
So but the anyway. And then half of trans people
are trans one way and then transthe other.
And like there's a lot of peoplethat are non binary that trans.
Hear me out Dutch, and this is something I thought about off
when it comes to sports. Why is the government involved

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in our sports? Well, it's generally it's state
law and it's usually it's, it's and, but usually it's not even
it's, it's the the institutions themselves like the NCAA.
That's what I'm thinking. It should be more of the
institutions themselves as opposed to this feels like a

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government overreach. Yeah, it is.
And like, the the look where I was going was you can it's OK
for you to wake up in the morning and hear about a swimmer
who was born a man winning a race and, you know, beating a
woman. Like it's OK for that not to sit

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OK with you. Like it's that that doesn't make
you a piece of shit. You know what I mean?
All I'm saying is that that thatconversation, which is a genuine
new conversation that we're thatwe're exploring right now and
trying to figure out the answer to that conversation, is used as

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a broad brush to screw trans people in every single which
way, shape and form. Because some asshole baby Billy
Bob in Arkansas is triggered because he's attracted to the
guy at Target with blue eyeshadow and it makes him
uncomfortable. But also let's also, let's be,
let's have an honest, we're not a full conversation party.

(01:21:32):
This is a whole other podcast. This and and honestly, to be
super frank with you, this is a conversation that you should
have with the trans individual, Yes.
Yes, I agree. To to I, it changed my
perspective and you know when I had those conversations.
Yeah, this, this is my thing. How big is the trans population?

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Depends how you qual qualify. To like 1%, yeah.
But how big is them to make thisconversation?
It's not at the forefront of ourof our nation.
It so like how often is it, how often are we having trans
athletes compete against women athletes to male athletes and
sport is this this is not a thing that's happening every day

(01:22:19):
Like no. There's like 66 and. 66.
I think that's the number. Out of how many athletes that do
you know all the time we had? I mean, just the Notre Dame
football team has 67. And that's my point, you know,
that's my point right here. This is a conversation that we

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should not be having. Yeah, like they're and they're
and and that goes both ways, right?
Like so like there's trans athlete not all of those 66 are
were were. Trans.
Women assigned male at birth. Yeah, they can be trans male,
they can be trans women, you know, right.
It so it only they only get upset when it's XY, you know,

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come across, you know, and and and I have a really interesting
point on this actually, but the but the it's such a small
population and such a small problem.
Yet Ted, every single Ted Cruz ad during the campaign was like

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they literally had an ad where Iforget the guy the former Baylor
football player played in the NFL for a little while who ran
against all right, I think ColinAlbright or all right, ran
against Ted Cruz for Senate and they literally had an ad of him.

(01:23:46):
You guys can look this up like aguy with in in a football.
Like it was like they, they put the camera behind this actor and
he's like this huge actor in a football.
Like so a guy looks like a giant.
And then you got this little girl soccer player who like is
kicking a ball over like 8 yearsold and she so why a football

(01:24:09):
player is on a soccer field, I have no idea.
But they did it for the optics and it had the name of the
candidate on the back. It's the most sickening thing.
And he'd spear Goldberg spear tackles this little girl and
they're and they're like, this is what he wants to do to your
kids. And you're like, OK, first of
all, what they want you to thinkis that little Johnny gets cut

(01:24:35):
from the 7th grade basketball team and as a remedy for that,
decides to do Joanna, man. Yes.
That doesn't happen. So you're telling me that little
Johnny is going to be so upset by getting cut by the 7th grade

(01:24:56):
boys basketball team that he is going to join the most
marginalized group in the fucking world?
That doesn't happen. That's your argument.
Yeah. Are you high you.
Know. Like, yeah, that these these,
these humans go through stuff that we don't know about.

(01:25:22):
One of the things that that brought me to literal tears was
listening to a trans person who I came to know through my Twitch
channel and hearing their story.I I forget which one it was,
there was a couple that I met and I remember what she looked

(01:25:45):
like, but I don't remember her name.
But anyway, relatively popular Twitch streamer, Asian and
somebody will probably know her.I can probably remember a tofu
ghost was her tofu ghost. And so I'm sitting there, I'm
talking to Tofu ghost and, and like, and I'm listening to to

(01:26:09):
her show and like, I was trying to get people on to talk about
this back three years ago. And, and then Amber Washington,
who is another trans individual.I talked to Amber Rose
Washington and hearing about howthey went through puberty, which

(01:26:30):
puberty is hard enough as it is,but going through puberty, male
puberty when you feel like you're not male is one of the
reasons why you have such high suicide rates.
And. And you know, on the one hand,

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so this is where it gets difficult.
We have to get our argument right because we're in, we're in
the right here. But they're going to call us
hypocrites, right? Because they're be like, well
you think you don't think we should make a big deal out of it
because it's only .9% of the population, right?
And so is schizophrenia. Yeah.

(01:27:11):
So you don't think we should treat schizophrenia either,
which has like the exact same percentage of the population?
Of course I feel like we should treat kids schizophrenia, you
know, Of course you don't want just marginalized 35 million
people. Yeah, you know, but at the same
time and and there's not 30, by the way, there's not 35 million,

(01:27:33):
one quote, transvestites or dragQueens running around America
either, correct. All it means is you're on the
spectrum of gender dysphoria. And they're the vast majority of
people who are on the spectrum for gender, for this dysphoria,
which by the way, I'm not an expert in.
Let me stress that is most of them don't transition at all.

(01:28:00):
You know, they make different choices.
It is the more extreme cases where you have to get drugs
involved. And so you, you, you have this
right wing argument where like, well, we'll let them do it If
they, as long as they go throughthe, the, the, the chemical, you

(01:28:26):
know, process of like, you know,medication, stuff like that to
again, this is not, not my field.
So I'm not speaking in the rightwords here.
But you know, they give them medicine and that makes hormonal
changes and stuff like that. Like, again, not my field, but
they go, they, there's, well, ifyou'd go through all these
steps, then yeah, you can, you know, then maybe you'd be able

(01:28:49):
to qualify. Then they then, on the other
side of the coin, they're tryingto outlaw that process because
they're saying that parents are committing child abuse because
their child is going through something that they don't
understand and they need medicalhelp.
And you have medical science that can help and can slow these
puberty blockers and stuff like that.

(01:29:10):
And it's an extreme case. They do it only when very, very
necessary. But they're making it.
Like Trump said on the campaign trail, your son's going to come
home a daughter. Yes.
And they make it seem like theseteachers have something to do
with it. By the way, the same teachers
that they say we should arm after every mass shooting.

(01:29:32):
They, they, they say that these woke teachers are, are, are like
telling kids to do this, which is like in the only thing
teachers are doing is like if a kid goes to the teacher and
they're like, look, you know, my, my dad, I'm, I, I feel, you
know, this is how I feel. And This is why I identify as,

(01:29:53):
but my dad, like he's threatened, like, you know, beat
me or, or kick me out of the house or, you know, whatever
make, you know, whatever, put mein private school, whatever the
case may be, whatever the, the punishment is.
And I, I, I don't want that. Like I, I, I, this is what I, I
just want to be like normal and like be happy.
And I, I would really prefer it if you, you know, to call me

(01:30:16):
they instead of he or she or whatever doesn't impact your
life at all. Like it takes one second.
Like why? Why are we?
Why are we so triggered by this?OK, I, I pulled up some numbers
because I want to give you some give you some numbers, Dutch.
OK High school, a study found that 40.7% of transgender youth

(01:30:39):
in ages in grades nine through 12 play sports, which could be
as many as 122,000 students. OK, so that's one fact.
That's that's, that's spectrum I'm talking about.
We're talking about guy. When I'm giving you the number
for 66, that's the NCAA number. Yes.
Oh, I'm getting there. It's more to this.
OK, In college, only 34 transgender athletes have

(01:31:03):
competed. In US college sports.
It is unlikely that transgender males make up more than 1.3%
college athletes, so they have 34.
But anyway, that's not anywhere near 1.3%.
Yes, 34 now and. Those are the ones that they

(01:31:23):
that they know like so a lot like what are you going to go
pick up their skirt? Yeah, some of these weirdos
would do that, but that's another story.
There's more to this, all right?Even fewer transgender athletes
make it to the professional level, and this I don't think
there's any I. Don't.
Not in this country, I don't think.
But here we go. Here's the big part, because

(01:31:45):
this was a big part with Olympics here.
Only two transgender women have ever competed in the Olympics
since 2003. Now that's that's look at when
the first policy for trans were administrated, implemented.
Let's see who it was. I'll tell you hold.
On so so while you're looking that up interesting sidebar.

(01:32:10):
You remember the Olympics? This.
Year, yes. Remember they said that there
was 2 men boxing and women's boxing.
Yes. Those were biological women and
they said, and they said, well, so remember, I just want you to
think about this for a minute, the hypocrisy.
Remember what they said for years, every pastor from the

(01:32:34):
pulpit, every politician, they said if you got a penis, you're
a guy and a story. God made you with a penis.
You're a guy. So then you have these two
boxers who according to a test that was never verified, by the
way, and probably is not even a real test, but let's just say

(01:32:54):
the test was real. Let's say that they tested for
an XY chromosome. Benefit of the doubt for this
conversation, let's say they're right.
They also both have vaginas frombirth.
And they switched their narrative and said no, no, no,
if you have XY, you are indeed aman period, end of story.

(01:33:17):
And I said that's super fucking interesting because you just
proved our entire fucking narrative correct 'cause they
have vaginas. So they're women and we is what
you should have is what you weresaying before.
What we've been saying is, hey, we've got new information, let's
take a look at it. Let's study it.

(01:33:38):
There's some people who are in the, you know, the the tails of
the the bell curve here. They're they're deviants and not
deviant in the sense of bad. They're they're, they're
abnormal in the sense of there be there in the tails of the
bell curve. You somebody with a 170 IQ also

(01:34:01):
is abnormal. We wouldn't call them.
Would you call someone with a 170 IQ, you know, abnormal?
No, because it's on the side that we like, right.
But so if it's on the other side, then we have to, you know,
just acknowledge that it's abnormal.
Not in not not as a bad word, just as where it's at on the the

(01:34:22):
the bell curve. And you know, when you have this
tiny little fraction of people and they have these
psychological problems that are that they get from interacting
with society doesn't accept them.
How about we look at it, we we try to fix it right?
Just like we do for that 1% of schizophrenics.

(01:34:42):
Yeah, all right. You know I have answers for you,
Dutch. Fucking narrative and it's
fucking ridiculously hypocritical.
I I have answers for you, Dutch.Laurel Hubbard became the first
openly transgender athlete to complete compete in the Olympics
in 2020. All I'm going to say is that
sounds remarkably like Lauren Hubbard, who you talk to.

(01:35:03):
Yes, correct, Hubbard. Not a different, not the same
person. Though yes, not the same person.
Hubbard, a weightlifter from NewZealand, competed in the Tokyo
Games. Dutch.
What, what, what medal did that person win?
I'm going to get to it right now.
That's what I could ask you. What what?
Pick a guess. None.
You're absolute correct, Yeah, she did not complete her lips

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and won no medals. Yeah, you only hear about this
when they win the 99.9% of the time that the biological women
females kick their ass. And Amber Rose Washington, one

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of the people I was talking about, said this to me.
She said you never hear about itwhen the biological females
destroy us left and right. You only hear about it once we
win a race. Correct.
Protect women's sports though, they say like they give a fuck

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about the WNBA. Well, now they do.
That's a whole conversation for another day.
And by the way, my my, my son plays YMCA basketball.
He's in Taekwondo. Guess what the the girls are
better at all of them. Yeah.
And if you're into like, I mean.He's 10, but.

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You know, if you know about like, women's wrestling, you
know, like wrestling in high school, you have a lot of times
the women athletes have to face against the guys.
That's a common thing because then there's not a lot enough
women compete. Women athletes compete until
they face the guys. That's not a problem.
Yeah, but that's not a problem, though.

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That's OK. It's only a problem when they
want it to be. Yes.
Because remember, once again, they're right.
Because they want to be right. Yeah, we've depressed enough
people, Dutch. There's a lot more I can go
over, but. My my whole, my whole, my whole

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thesis when it comes to trans people is leaving people alone
doesn't impact your life. Yeah, that's my.
Don't buy into this protect kidsnonsense.
You know that. Let let me make one real real
quick. I might have made this example
for one real real quick example of of why this doesn't impact
your life in 999,000,900 and nine, 9000 out of you know,

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99999 out of a billion times. Could it possibly impact
someone's life somewhere somehowin .0001%?
Yeah yeah, OK, right. Anything is, is possible.
But a few years ago, I, we went to Kaiser Permanente in
California, My, my, my hospital,and they had a big picket thing

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outside. No trans bathroom.
No trans bathroom, Right. They all got their MAGA hats on
there. No trans bathroom.
They're acting like, you know, they're, they're talking like,
oh, you know, you're going to have rapes and this type of
stuff and like, as if all trans people are going to rape kids.
Yeah, sorry, I shouldn't use theR word.

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I'll, I'll refrain from that in the future.
But the but so I see this, I'm like fucking people, like leave
it alone. About six months later, I had
another doctor's. When I go back, this bathroom
has been built now, right? Guess what?
There's a door. You open it, you walk in, it's a

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heavy door. You shut it, you lock it, there
is a urinal and a pooper, a changing table and that's no
different except for the changing table than the bathroom
in my downstairs. It's a unisex multi gender

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bathroom, just like the one in every single listener of This is
House. And that is what they are acting
like a trans purse. A guy in a dress is going to
jump out of the vent like it's among us.
Yeah. And like, like they're, they're,
they're getting crazy for nothing.
Yeah, we have. Almost every mall in Florida has

(01:39:32):
a bathroom called a family bathroom, and it's essentially
the same thing. It's just a bathroom that you
can just close the stall, but close it behind you, lock it up.
And do you think? Right.
And that's what they're protesting.
Yeah, like that thing, that's not a thing that you should be
arguing about, but that's the time we live in.

(01:39:52):
But to go back what you said, the whole thing protect kids
thing, it's so weird to me because we don't protect kids
from the actual predators that are out there.
And I hate that whole narrative these people do.
When you have these kids who arebeing, that's a whole podcast
for another day. But these kids who are being
violated and hurt by people who are not transgender.

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Yeah. But we allow that we we, we turn
a blunt out of that. Yeah, I'm not sure we turn a
blind eye. I'm not going to.
Accuse you? Oh we do.
Turning a blind eye? We 100% do regardless.
But but when it comes to when itcomes to the amount of public
attention that gets, it gets none, Yeah, you know, unless

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they're using it to blame Democrats for something.
Yes. You know, because it'll never be
Sarah Huckabee Sanders's fault there.
There's no way that they're evergoing to make it her
responsibility in Arkansas. But if it happens in California,
it's damn sure Gavin Newsom's fault.
Yeah, or if it happens in. Michigan.

(01:40:58):
It's damn sure Gretchen Whitman's fault.
It only, it only matters when it's when it's a Democrat, when
a, when a Republican actually does the act.
And it's like, OK, that's, that's important.
Oops. Oops, he's being set up.
There's some, there's some school board, Democrat, school

(01:41:18):
board member somewhere in the state that's sweet blame.
Yeah. You know, so how about just
leave people alone? They don't impact your life at
all. It's OK to protect kids.
You want to protect kids? Give them healthcare.
Actually protect kids. Yeah.
Kids on board, we should protectthem from all sorts of creeps.

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And after they come out of the like they they love protecting
kids before they're born. Well, they say they do.
Yeah. But that's a whole other
conversation. Right.
They don't give a fuck once the kids out, once kids out.
Unless they want. Unless little Johnny wants to
put a dress on. Then they care again.
Yeah, you know, so it's insane. Well, that's the catch.

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We live here. Well, Dutch, it's been a great
conversation. Think people learned something?
Maybe they didn't. Maybe they didn't.
I don't know. Probably.
Unfortunately, the people who are that like my, my, what I
would just say to people is if you want, if you're somebody
who's engaging in conversation, pick your battles and, and, and,

(01:42:31):
and remember that your audience is not the MAGA person who's
talking about, you know how ElonMusk is definitely not a Nazi
even. Though he did the salute.
You know, well, he's done more than that.
He's got, you see the one with the 14 flags recently?
Yeah. You know, like, I mean, do I

(01:42:54):
think Elon Musk is a literal Nazi?
No, I don't think he's a literalNazi.
Do I think he's a fucking bigoted white fucking
supremacist? Probably.
Yeah. You know, so but but like just
remember your audience and even if you do this on Twitter or
Facebook, explain your points. Remember, put people 1st and

(01:43:17):
your audience is not the person you're arguing against.
Your audience is the casual person reading reading it.
Yeah, who who you don't want them to believe the other person
you want to be like, oh, that actually does.
Maybe the left isn't crates white so.
Nuts. Also, we're getting back into a
time, but it's the last thing I'm going to leave people with.

(01:43:38):
We're getting back into the timewe need to do.
We need as a society need to be more communal.
We need to look out for our fellow man, our fellow neighbor,
because we don't know what's going to happen in the next 4
years and we don't know. And we're going to we're going
to need to depend on each other a lot more to maybe than we ever
have because things are going toget really rough.

(01:43:59):
Prices are going up, people losing their jobs, they're not
going to be able to afford certain things.
And usually when those type of things happen, people start
getting down. And what I mean by it is people
start robbing people, start killing people, start doing
things for survival. Hopefully we don't get to that
point, but we need to get to that point where we we start

(01:44:21):
looking out for our fellow man because there are a lot of
people out there hurting on bothsides of the fence.
You know, a lot of people who didn't think were going to lose
their jobs wake up and they say,I don't, hey, I don't have a job
anymore. Yeah.
And that's a harsh reality a lotof people are facing today.
So just look out for your fellowman because you never know when

(01:44:44):
you could be on that side of thefence.
And and, and my I, I always tellpeople like start studying
geopolitics. Yeah.
You know, because it's got nothing.
A lot of times it has nothing todo with with what's happening in
the country right now. Especially if you watch older
videos on stuff like that on YouTube.
It's easy to digest like but like you a super low hanging

(01:45:09):
fruit example, a strong Mexican economy is a plus for the United
States. Let's let them make their
economy strong. They got a lot going on there.
Mexico's booming, their GDP is growing faster than ours.
If you're a right winger and youdon't like immigration, you
should be in hugely in favor of a strong Mexico. 100%.

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You know, like, so like those are the types of things that you
got to pay attention to. And like, we get so focused on
our own wallet, which is totallynormal.
You know, I was told the war in Ukraine was going to be over by
now. I was told eggs were going to go
down. I was told yeah.
And, and, and I, I, I'm sorry, though.
I want to like just throw one quick last thing out there.
I guess. And I posted this on Facebook.

(01:45:56):
I'll make it shareable if I didn't maybe delve and can share
it. Gas prices are going to go down.
It's going to have nothing to dowith fucking Trump, You know, So
it, it's, there's been so many oil discoveries now across the
globe, globe that are going to increase supply.
What happens in economics when you increase supply?

(01:46:17):
And. Then and then and, and you know,
there's going to be a lot that and, and with like EV sales are
going up across the except for in the United States, everywhere
else they're booming. You know, we have a lot of wind
farms are being built. We have a lot of solar batteries
that are being built. We have a lot of hydropower that
that's Finland's a fucking amazing case study for this, but

(01:46:43):
you know that all of this alternative energy to
hydrocarbons and and petroleum is going to cause a long run
reduction in demand. Couple that with the increase in
supply, I mean, you had Guyana, Israel of all found oil, right?

(01:47:04):
Turkeys found oil. They're going to start selling
this oil. That's a supply side.
Plus more EVs is a demand side. Plus these things shift the
supply demand curve. Prices should go down.
If they don't go down, Trump's fucking fucked, dude, you know,
but I, I think that it will go down.
He'll take credit for it. And Biden, to his credit,

(01:47:31):
brought oil prices down, which is something that US presidents
don't normally do. Like, he actually was able to
manufacture a drop in oil pricesby about, you know, $0.20 a
gallon or so during his term. That was just him.
It came down for other reasons also.
But just 10, just $0.20 there. So you could say, yeah, it was

(01:47:53):
Biden. Yeah, let's see now little man
got something done. Surprise.
But did he ever tell you? That's a whole.
They never bothered to tell you,you know.
So like, that's what we talked about with the message.
Trump will take credit for everypositive thing that happens and
people will believe it. Rather it has to do with him or

(01:48:15):
not. And that's why I say if you
study geopolitics and you study economics, you'll start you you
can discern what is and what isn't him.
If he does something good, awesome.
Let's not be Dicks and say that you know something good.
Can't be him because I'm, I justhave to hate Trump, you know,
like. I agree.
If he does something good, like I'm happy, he's that there was a

(01:48:36):
pause in Gaza. He's my fucking hero for
stopping Gaza for that couple. Now what's going to happen in
the long run, it's going to be way fucking worse.
But at least in the moment, people aren't dying.
They got a break. Right.
So good, you know, now let's do something.
And I'm not just going to because I don't like Trump.
I'm not just going to not say that.

(01:48:56):
Yeah, you got to accept if he does something good, you praise
him, does something back. Don't be like them, they would
never give Biden credit for a God damn thing.
Yeah, you have to give people. You have to give credit where
credit's due. When you do something right,
give them credit. Exactly.
Be transparent, love you, see you.
You're the best. Thank you, bro.

(01:49:17):
All right. Ready, Closeout.
Let me notify you, Dutch. You know you have nowhere to go
out. They find you here.
I do, I do do some I do do some tweets once in a while.
I mean, if you, if you want to read my stuff, I mean, you can
send me Adm it's Jason Dutch on Facebook.
You can Dutch Jason on Twitter, but I don't do a ton there

(01:49:37):
because I don't like Elon. I did.
Join Blue Sky lately. I did do Blue Sky lately, but I
haven't posted anything yet, just not like into that.
I do a shit ton on Reddit. I love that Reddit, but but if
you want, I do post a lot of stuff on Facebook.
If you want to do if you want toread some of that stuff, you can

(01:49:59):
send me Adm Just if you're you know, Jason Dutch, you know,
it's a picture of me in a black shirt for the moment, you know,
send me Adm and just say, hey, Iheard you there and I want to be
Facebook friends with you and that's fine.
I'll be like, all right, and then you can go back through my
timeline and like I post a lot of geopolitics and a lot of
global economics stuff on there,everyone in addition to like my

(01:50:21):
workout pictures and stuff. Yes, 'cause he's getting buffed
now. Yeah, I don't know about that,
but yeah. So I mean, I I will be going
back on Twitch. If you want to follow my Twitch
channel, it's Dutch Jason. Also DUTCHJASEN is all of this
my Jason spelled with an E? So I will eventually do more,

(01:50:44):
but yeah, it's on time right now.
Got the deals? Facts.
All right. Thank you guys for listening.
As always Delma Cox experience. We are out peace.

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