The Delvin Cox Experience Episode 382 They are bringing Back the Dire Wolves Featuring Ken Turner

This episode my guest is my good friend Ken Turner. We are discussing Soda Vikings; apparently, they have brought back Dire Wolves from Extinction.

Ken Twitter: https://x.com/Beorntheviking

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Welcome to the Delvin Cox Experience, the podcast with
each week I'm on a one man mission to United Coast to
diversity. I'm your host, Delvin Cox and
Whitney on the podcast is my friend, my pal, my brother Ken
Turner. How you doing bro?
I'm doing well darling. How are you man?
Thank you for having me on again.
My pleasure man, always a blast having you on it's.

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Been a while. I was trying to remember when
the last time I was on with you as the host.
Actually, because we were, we did that little thing with Matt
and Lord Snertz. Yeah.
That was last year, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And before that I think it was the the gun control round table.
I think you might be right. Wow, that's been a while so.

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There you go. Now we're going to talk about
something depressing as always, like to start off with a 555
questions, 5 minutes to get the ball on the Ken.
Are you ready? I am ready.
Question number one, Ken, since we were talking about it
offline, I'm going to ask you the question online.
What are the drink that in your head you think everybody knows

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but it's only in your area? It's not in this area, but I
grew up in Pennsylvania. There's a Birch beer called
Pennsylvania Dutch Birch Beer. And I was like, before I moved
away from there, I thought it was bottled everywhere because
in Pennsylvania you get to find it everywhere.
But not so. And I was surprised to find that

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out. You know, even now I still find
like, why can't I find it? You know, and it's, it's only in
the Pennsylvania area. Yeah, I, I, yeah, that's kind of
interesting because, you know, like we were just talking about,
like I was telling Ken those listening about this drink
called Upena, which is pineapplesoda with this unique taste to

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it. And my God, you never heard of
Upena? Like, no, that's only in that's
not nowhere else but Miami like it has to be.
Well, I've been seeing the drinking since I was a kid and
apparently I only place it is islike in Miami and Cuba.
So there you have it, which I did not know.
So question two. I'm going to keep it in that

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same topic. What in that same in that same
range? What's a drink that you've heard
of everywhere else that's not that's supposed to be regional,
but you see everywhere? I'll give you a good example.

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OK, Fago. Fago.
Yes. I've never heard of that one.
You never heard of Fago? I've never heard of that.
That's the Detroit Soda. If you listen to the same clown
posse, they talk about it all the time.
OK. And I think.
It's only supposed to be like inDetroit because the Detroit
brand soda, but it's all over like Miami, you're going in

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corner store, you're going to see some Fago flavors and things
like that all in particular. Never heard of that one in this
area. It's fine.
I've been finding out more people have been hearing about
it. That's to mention it is a soda
called Moxie. Comes in a bright orange can.
It was like up in Maine. It's it's slowly trickling down,

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but I've talked to some people and they're like, Oh yeah, it's
in the dollar store out in the West Coast, you know, and, you
know, sort of like a root beer that I like called Sprecher's.
It's based out of Minnesota areaand it's in the Family Dollar
Store around here now. But Moxie is a cola.
It's horrible. It tastes like liquid dirt.

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It really does Take some carbonated water, throw some
dirt from around the neighborhood tree, drink it.
It's pretty much what Moxie tastes like.
And Moxie's one of those drinks that you either love it or hate
it. So anybody out there that likes
Moxie is going to be tearing me up when they hear this episode.

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Question #3 I think it's going to be a fun question for us.
Still on the food tip because I like to talk about food right
now. Maybe I'm hungry.
I don't know what it is, but what's a fictional food or drink
that you wish was real? Oh, that's a good one.

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I mean there's, you know, practicality versions like, you
know, the bread, the Alvin breadfrom Lord of the Rings.
Like you eat 1 of it and it's like supposed to fill you for
the day that. Can't look too.
Good though. No, it looks like heart attack.
You know when they had it in themovies, You know what I, I think
if I, you know, just off the wall, the roast beast from

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Doctor Who's the Grinch because it's got 6 legs.
So you have like 6 Turkey leg type of things that y'all you
don't have people fighting over it.
Everybody can get a Turkey leg. OK, I like that one.
I have one for you. Go for it.
For those who watched the show Regular Show, I'm looking up

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right now. Is that that that I know the
episode, but I want to look I want to look up the ingredients
of it. But the the episode is called
the best burger in the world andit was a sandwich called the
ultimatum. And what it was was I'm trying
to look at the recipe for what was it was 1 burger in a bun on

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top of a large stuffed burger. Top that with some Himalayan
ketchup and top that with another burger.
I'm looking this up now, too deep fried.
Deep fried, yes. Good God, I just, I, I, I keep

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feeling my arteries hardening just looking at this thing.
And and the thing about the burger, they only made it once
every 100 years. So if you missed that one day,
they're making it. You can never try it because the
pro, most people don't live for 100 years.
So there's only that one moment in life you can try this
ultimatum burger. What what's What's Himalayan

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ketchup? See, that's down.
Now you, now you talk what I'm talking about.
Like what I like? Like Himalayan ketchup sounds
really good. I like imagine some like really
cold refreshing ketchup. Yeah, like suit like tangy and
but like pulls you out at the same time.
Yeah, it sounds good. But you know what the one

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problem I have with that though when this when this burger.
It's going to kill you. Well, no, no, I mean, it's going
to kill you. It looks, it looks great.
It'd be worth to death. Yeah.
There's no pickle. That's a good point.
There's no pickle on it. Your pick your pickle guy on
burgers. Yeah, I'm just a pickle guy.
I like Pickles on the side, on the burgers, you know?

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Yeah, a full chicken sandwiches.Yeah.
Know what I'll make this question #4 since we're talking
about food and I like to buy food right now, what is 1 food
item that you will take on a sandwich that you won't eat any
other type of way? Like for example, I'm like that

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one Mayo. Like, you know, I don't like
Mayo generally speaking, but if it's on a whopper I'm fine with
it. Yeah, You know what that that
sounds about right. I mean, if it's mixed in with
like, you know, egg salad or tuna salad and it's going on a
sandwich, you know, that type ofthing where one like a a a

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hoagie or something like that. But actually when I get I have a
lot of sandwich, I'll have mustard or spicy mustard.
But maybe it was probably that, but.
Yeah, I totally don't like Mayo.Like you give me a ham cheese
sandwich with Mayo like. No ham and cheese.
You need mustard or not. Yeah, like you give me like a
Turkey sandwiches, Mayo or something like that.
Like, no, I don't want that. But if you put it like on a

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Whopper, I'm like, OK, this is good.
Was water whopper like is it just Mayo or don't they spice it
up some or is it just a BLOB of Mayo on?
It I think it's it's lettuce, tomatoes, Mayo, Pickles, onions.
I think that's in it. Maybe ketchup?

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Yeah, I think you might be right.
I started to sing the song, but I think that was the Big Mac
song. Yeah, Big Mac has special sauce.
Yeah. Special sauce.
Yeah, which is 1000. Beef pads, special sauce,
Lettuce, cheese, Pickles, onionson a sesame tea bun.
Yeah. Wow.
How long has that song been? Yeah.
Yeah. Mayo sounds good, but like the

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right choice for that. I'm trying to think of what
else, because there's there's a few things like that I wouldn't
eat on the sand or like tomatoes.
I don't like unless it's like insalsa.
So I pick it off a sandwich. I like.
I like salsa. I like tomato soup.
I just don't like raw tomatoes, even when the sandwich is, you
know, it's a texture thing. But I really can't think of

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anything. I mean, you don't get into this
budesque shake that I'm in by being picky with food.
Yeah. Tomatoes.
A good one, though. Tomatoes.
Yeah, that's interesting. Yeah, I don't like it on
sandwiches. I'll pick it off and.
But you like tomato soup? I like tomato soup and I like
salsa, you know, it has chunks of tomato and stuff like that,

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but I just don't like like the. Actual tomato.
Yeah, just don't like slice it up and my mother-in-law used to
do that. She used to have sliced tomatoes
with some salt and pepper on it and would eat it for lunch and
I'm like, oh. Interesting.
Just couldn't do it. Never, never liked.
That I like tomatoes a lot. Tomatoes are pretty good when
you spice it up with some things.

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I don't I don't I don't think I eat it by itself.
I I'll not a monster. I've seen some people eat
tomatoes like it's a. Like an apple you.
Are a sick person. What's wrong with you?
Actually, people do that with onions.
That's that's harsh. Yeah, that's, that's harsh.
I would never kiss those people.No, now your breath probably
stinks eating. Onions.

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I like Onion, but that's too much, all right?
Question #5 Ken, OK, not talkingabout food this time.
I promise you. Give me your top five Vikings.
Oh good God. That's hard because I mean, it

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does. I like Niall from Niall saga.
He was a like a, a siege of sorts.
OK, just for the stories. Eric, Eric the Red.
He's, you know, just a bloody, bloodthirsty, violent guy.

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Yeah. So you hear the stories of him.
Ivar the Boneless was a big conqueror.
Not that he was in the show, thethe Vikings show, he's a little
bit more than a lot more than none, but he was supposed to be

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a really good tactician and alsovery strong fighter as well.
Who would have some? Ivar the Boneless.
He was also a said to be a berserker as well.
What kind of name is that? That's an interesting name.
Yeah, I guess that's something to do with a limp or something
of that nature. In the in the Vikings show that

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there was out on History Channel, they had like his legs
never developed correctly. So he was always like dragging
himself around. So they they called him
boneless. Like he was basically paralyzed
almost from the like the waist down.
He was smart. He figured out how to make like
leg braces in the show. I don't know if it's true in

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real life, but like leg braces to like help prop himself up to
stand and all that. But Harold Bluetooth was another
one just for the interesting fact of the Bluetooth technology
is named, you know, after him for some reason and.

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How do they come up with that name?
He actually apparently had a dead tooth, I guess.
And it has, you know, if you have a dead nerve tooth, it has
that grayish shadow to it. So that's, that's after him.
Well, his name would have been like Harold, whatever his
father's name was, son like Harold Haroldson.

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And then a lot of times the Vikings would get, the Norsemen
would get names, honorific namesfor stuff that they do, you
know, like, like Ivar in the show was the son of Ragnar.
She was actually Ivar Ragnar's son.
But then he got the name Boneless.
And then he just called him Ivarthe Boneless.
You know, so a lot of times whenyou hear even today, you hear

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people's names that are from Scandinavia and all that, and
you hear like, so and so like John's son, you know, that's not
Swedish or anything, but you know what I'm saying?
It's like son of John. Yeah.
Like in the Thor movie when he called Colson son of Cole.
Yeah. That type of thing.

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That's very much what they thinkis the the.
Thor Olden's son. Right, exactly.
It was all the, the, the, your patriarchal lineage was very
important to them because you were like, you lived by your
father's deeds and their, their father's deeds.
In fact, like if you read any ofthe sagas like the all saga,

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they'll sit there and say when you choose a character, they'll
go back 7 generations. So and of so and so, so, so and
so, so, so and so, so, so It's, if you get a good copy of one of
those sagas to read, it'll say an asterisk and then have the
footnote and tell you all that. Otherwise it's in the paragraph
and you're like, OK, now who am I reading about this time?
Yeah. So it's like The Rock with the
bloodline thing. Yeah.

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Have you seen that whole thing where he put up like, I don't
know if you saw this, you watch wrestling The Rock.
I think it was. It was last year that I think,
but last year around this time, how funny that was The Rock last
year when he returned to wrestling, they had this thing
where he was at the WrestleManiapress conference and he put on

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the screen of the hole on the like a big screen, the lineage
of his bloodline. Because you, I don't know if you
know this Ken, but The Rock is part of like a famous, a famous
line of wrestlers, like it's whole family, the Samoan side
particularly like all famous wrestlers from Yokozuna,
Rikishi, his cousins, the Usos. I didn't know about the cousins.

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Yeah, he didn't know that. He has like a huge family of
wrestling. It's like from generations of
wrestlers. I know he's the son of Rocky
Johnson. Yes, Rocky Johnson's his dad.
Yeah, Rikishi. I don't know if you remember
Rikishi. From Oh yeah, I remember him.
That's his I want to say it's his uncle or his cousin.
The Usos aren't. No, that's his uncle Rikishi's
uncle. The Usos who are now wrestling

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in WB is his cousins. Roman Reigns, who was the former
WWE Champion, is also his cousin.
OK, I've heard of him and and and didn't hear about the USO.
I've been watched wrestling seriously in like years.
Yeah, he has this huge, like, family bloodline and all of
them, like favorite like Yokozuna, who was in the

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wrestling from the 90s. You remember Yokozuna, that guy
that's also, I want to say his uncle, OK, Yeah, he has like a
huge family living in wrestling.Wow.
Well. Probably.
Wasn't there a grandfather too? Like a grandfather above Rocky
Johnson? I just don't remember.
I remember correct the Alpha andSika.

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That's correct. Yeah, I remember that.
Yes. Thanks dude, in the 80s I used
to heavily into watching that and went to some of the shows at
the Spectrum and stuff in Phillyand all that so.
That had to be cool. It was, it was very cool scene
like The Ultimate Warrior. And so we, my cousin used to be
able to get seats further down because he used to, he was a
mechanic of somebody that workedin spectrum so we could get us

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closer seats and stuff. So, so being up in a Nosebleed,
we'd be like in that level down.And I imagine those tickets
weren't that much at that time. I don't remember to be honest
with you, but it was definitely 20-30 bucks if that.
Yeah, because wrestling, unless you were WBF, it wasn't like
they were like selling like gangbuster tickets for those

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type of events. WCW is like around times of like
the 80s, yeah, maybe like the early 90s, like they unless you
were WBF, you weren't really selling tickets.
So you could probably see like honky tonk, man, big pause man,
Ultimate warrior all before theylike really blew up like.
You just said ECW there too because it was East East Coast

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wrestling. Ah yes, ECW.
Did you ever get a chance to go to the ECW show?
Once in Jersey, what did you go?To.
I'm curious. Oh God, I was in high school
did. Did New Jack try to kill
someone? No.
Was it, you know, I can't remember who it was anymore

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because I wasn't super into ECWI, was more into WWE.
Well, at the time, WWF, but it was, he's my promotion.
Yeah, because it was the guy with the tennis rack.
It was the promoter. Jim Cornette.
Yes, yes, yes. He was around a lot that day.
Like he busted over someone's head.

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God, I can't remember. Not that it's my cousin.
He, he knows all that stuff still.
So I'll ask him and let you knowlater.
He probably saw the tickets. He's a fanatic.
Well, that's pretty cool. So it was, it was fun times, you
know, he'd go work, come out of work, go right there, you know?
That is. That's pretty cool.

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So what was it like for you growing up in Philadelphia?
Fun place to grow up. You know, it, it, it, it was, it
was kind of cool. You, you definitely have a
different perspective on things because of like some of the
areas that are rough and tumble.So like like where I live now
and stuff and people are like, oh, that area over there is bad.

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It's like, no, it's not, but. I find Philadelphia interesting
place because they have so much history behind it.
It it really does, you know. If you look at like the history
of the United States, there's that history about it.
Then you look at the history of hip hop and the history of hip
hop that's behind. Like Will Smith grew up there.

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You're like one of the biggest actors slash rappers in history
grew up. Then you have Meek Mill, you
have all these other rappers that's that are Eve that are
from Philly. That's like a huge part of
Philly culture and things like that.
You know what I mean? Yeah, even before that you had
like all the Doo wop groups and stuff because, you know,
literally like if you watch the movie Rocky, you see them hang

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some guys hanging out around a trash can.
You see that over there in Kensington.
Now you see him over there shooting up, but that's another
story. But I mean, then it was singing
and just fun. You have people hanging out and
somebody combining. Yeah, that's a big part of
Philadelphia. Oh, huge, absolutely huge.
You know, the the Art Museum steps, people still go charging

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up at the it's people try to runthe the route he did, which and
it's a lot more than what you see in the movies, but that's
another. Because.
They showed him crossing the city like 17 different times
that they showed the route in the order that he went in.

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Because he's like, oh, he's at West River Drive.
Oh, he's at the Art Museum. Oh, he's by here.
He's by the Iron Bridge. He's like, how is he getting all
these places, you know? It's no way in heck rock he's
doing that. Yeah, I mean, that's endurance,
I understand. But damn, it was a fun place
because I mean, a lot of like the history and all that, like
you said, got to see the before it got turned into a Community

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College, they used, they had thePhiladelphia Mint there so you
could go see money made like coins and stuff.
My summer, my summer high schooljob and actually through high
school, I worked at the Philadelphia Zoo.
That was my instead of like flipping burgers and all that,
which is fine, it's a job, but Iwas going for wildlife
management for college. So I got all through high school

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work in at the Philadelphia Zoo,which is the first zoo in
America. So you worked at the zoo
flipping burgers? No, I actually worked with the
animals. Oh, I worked with a burger.
Oh no. No, no.
Say, instead of like working at a McDonald's or a deli or
anything like that, like a lot of people that growing up in
Philly did, I actually worked inthe zoo, in the children's zoo.

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That had to be cool. Oh, it's a lot.
Really cool because you get to see a lot of stuff, see a lot of
the behind the scenes, hear about things that escape.
Oh, what hurt? What escaped?
The cheetah got out once and they had to chase him down.
Nothing super. Huge.

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Yeah, and I don't. Know what?
You just. Said they had to chase the
cheetah down. Cheetah got out and we had to
chase it down. Do you know how fast a cheetah
is? Oh, he knew it because he would
he would run and the zookeepers.It was it was like a Keystone
cop thing. You'd see him like chasing after
it with Nets and tranquilizer gun.
And finally someone realized, I'm just going to say because

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the way the the filiper zoo is designed, it's almost like a
turtle shell. The main thoroughfare is it's
just a giant circle. So finally someone just sat up
at the one end with a tranquilizer gun and just
peeked, got him when he came around the corner and then
scooped him up and we put him back in his his pen.

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What happened was I was at work,but since I worked at the
children's zoo, I didn't have equipment to deal with something
like that. So my job was just stay in the
children's zoo. Were you like that George Bush
mean when 911 was happening, he was reading the book?
Oh what? No, because I heard it on the

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radio. So I got to I just sat there and
at the the the gate and just waswatching, you know, it go by and
stuff. I.
Think I want to watch the cheetah go by like.
Then we had stuff like little things get out, like Rock Cavey,
which is like a giant Jack rabbit Guinea pig looking thing.
But you know, when he got out, we're chasing it around looking

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for it in the bushes with the net.
So imagine you're going to the zoo, early morning, first date.
You know, you look around, you see a couple people dressed up
in zookeeper outfits looking in the bushes with a net.
In my head I'm imagining Yogi Bear Kelly Stone Bark chasing
after this random bears and animals trying to catch them.

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Like don't scare it. It's a that was a great summer
job and actually did some work there at the winners too.
It's a good high school job. You looked great on the resumes
and college applications too. And you learned a lot and seen a
lot of things. And there's a great book, I
don't remember the author, but it's called The Peaceful

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Kingdom. It's called the Peaceful
Kingdom. A year in the life of the
nation's first zoo. And it's just this, this author
went there and wrote a book, spent the whole year at the
Philadelphia Zoo, going from person to person to person,
getting stories and stuff like that from the different
zookeepers. That had to be pretty cool.
It was very cool. Getting those stories, just

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hearing the stories behind the stories of that zoo, the world's
first zoo, the the state's firstone.
I don't know what was it the. I'm sorry.
The nation's, Yeah, the nation'sfirst.
Yeah, the nation's first zoo andhad to be obviously had to be
successful because we got more zoos so.
Yeah, they have a really good A lot of people downplay zoos that
are like saying it's horrible and all that, but there's a

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thing called Species Survival Program where they keep track of
all the genetics and who's related to who and all that.
So they can not have inbreeding so we can try to further the
species in the wild. So like, they were breeding
cheetahs. And so then it's OK, we got
these here, then we'll trade some of our cheetahs to this zoo

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over here so we can keep biodiversity going.
And then eventually some of those offspring would be taken
to a place to release them into the wild after they had some
time outside of the zoo settings.
They're not used to just gettingfood handed to them so they can
actually survive. And just all sorts of programs

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to to do that to try to keep wild populations thriving.
That I think that I think that zoos, I know there are people
have problems with zoos and things like that, but I think
zoos play an important, well at least now an important part of
our country and society because you used to have so many animals

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that are going extinct. So if you can kind of put them
in like this small little inch like area and keep like breeding
them and keeping them like, you know, just trying to keep that
population alive, I think that'shas to be a good thing.
Yeah, the, the, the, the biggestproblem with the Philadelphia

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Zoo is it can't grow because on one side is the Delaware River
or Schuylkill River, other side is Amtrak train tracks and then
there's residential area. So they can't expand, doesn't
have a lot of park land around it.

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So like I always thought that they should, if they can't keep
redoing the zoo, they should bring it back and make it a zoo
museum and bring it back to showwhat the original zoos look like
and how horrific those conditions were.
And then make the zoo in anotherpart in Philly close by and
people could say, hey, that's what it used to look like.
This is what a zoo, a modern dayzoo would now that we have the

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technology and all that can do, because, you know, it's if they
can't keep it up to you really do the animals good, then?
Yeah. Like, they can't compete with
like National Zoo with the land they have or San Francisco and
San or San Diego Zoo and all that.

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Well, since we're talking about the zoo and it's something I
want to talk to you about anyway, I want to talk about
Gentlemen Podcast. I think it's a good time to talk
about it either way. Did you hear the story about the
direwolves? I saw something come across my
feed and I didn't get a chance to read it.
It's like they're bringing they they well them back or
something. I'm going to read it.
I'm going to read the article onthe show for you so people can

(28:56):
look. So I think this is really
fascinating. So I found this on the I saw it
on Twitter and I thought I like,of course, is on Twitter, so it
can't be true. So I went and did my own
research and looked it up. And this is CNN article from
Katie Hunt and I read the specifics I was trying to get.
I'll try to skim through it. A species of wolf that died some
12,500 years ago lives again as the world's first successfully

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distinct animal, according to Diet Dallas biotech based
company Colossal Biosciences. So Colossal Sciences have
created 3 dire wolf pups using ancient DNA cloning and gene
editing technology. Jurassic Park much?

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Yes, to alter the genes of the grey wolf, the prehistoric die
wolf's closest living relative, the company announced Monday.
The result of this is essentially a hybrid species,
similar in appearance to its extinct forerunner.

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So I bring this up to you to askyou, what do you think of this
whole idea of bringing these extinct creatures back to life
or even modifying other species to look like these creatures?
And that's what they did, essentially.
Yeah, it's if you were doing it to bring back a population for

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the wild, to help a population come back by doing a
hybridization to fill a niche upagain, a niche up in, in, in, in
the environment, that's one thing.
But direwolves, to quote Jeff Goldblum's character, they had

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their chance and they'd gone. You know, it's, it's not like,
you know, they were haunted out of extinction.
Although I'd be curious to see, you know, it just has too many
vadnais, you know, it's like, then what are they going to do
next, you know? I do feel like it's a slippery

(31:09):
slope when you kind of one method science and you know,
play God of sorts and kind of bring these creatures back or
try to make your own version of these creatures.
Even so, because one what happens next?
What happens if these creatures have genetic defects?
What happens if these creatures breed with other animals like

(31:31):
other wolves and things like that in the wild and create some
type of unknown species or hurt that species?
You know, it's kind of like, it reminds me a little bit, like
have you ever seen these dog breeds, when people cross breed
these dogs and all of a sudden the other dog has like health
problems and stuff like that? Oh, yeah, yeah.

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Did the did the customizable dogs like you know, we used to
call them mutts. They used to be called mutts.
Now they're doing designer dogs,they call them.
Yeah, and the dog always has some type of problem, like
either the breathing issues or things like that.
It's like, oh, I don't know if that's good for the dog.
Yeah, it's like, oh, so I can have a dog that I can stick in a

(32:16):
pocketbook and walk around, but this thing now is shaking like a
cell phone going off. And no, because The thing is
it's like we have enough problems with introduced species
causing havoc, you know, like the land.
Like there's a a Lantern lanternfly, spotted lanternfly,

(32:38):
something like that. It's just estimating a lot of
the woods in Pennsylvania and insome of Massachusetts and all
that. And they're really like, hey, if
you see this, just kill it. One site, just kill this pretty,
but kill it. It doesn't have a known predator

(33:00):
in this area, so it just sort offlourishes.
And that's just something that'snatural already.
Nobody just did anything, just got introduced here.
Now you're doing something that's way back then into the
ecosystem now where it doesn't have that check and balance.
Like what's going to what's going to take an apex predator

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like that? Except, you know, you know
what's going to happen? You're going to have people
getting them to do as pets walking around.
You see people like walking around with hyenas or tigers and
you know, and on a chain like, hey, look, you know, I, I'm, you
know, alpha, whatever, because Ihave a tiger.
You're going to have people buying them for that or buying

(33:47):
them to release them just so they can hunt them and say I
haunted the direwolf. Yeah, that's that's a big part
of it. You start having people like
doing these things, trying to hunt them, trying to breed them,
trying to sell them, trying to make their own versions of it.
No, it's like it's always just interesting when man tries to

(34:11):
play God and create its own creatures for hunt, to hunt and
you know, for spoil, for profit.It almost never turns out right.
We have history of this, like Jurassic Park, well, based on
fiction, like things that peopleare actually trying to do.
It's kind of weird how that happens.
Like you look at movies like Terminator and stuff like that
and Jurassic Park and you see man trying to replicate these

(34:35):
same things, like maybe we should not do that, but.
Boston Dynamics has all those robots that they're building and
stuff like that. They can do different things
now. They're not like AI controlled
or anything like that right now.But you know, you see there's a
dog shaped one and then the the human and wood one can run and
keep its balance and all you know it's.

(34:56):
I I always wonder how far will we go before it becomes too far?
Like even like we we're at a point now where I would, I would
have never thought 20 years fromago we'd have self driving cars.
Yeah. And now that's the thing.
And it's not like only a thing. It's a common thing.
It's a very common thing and. Scary.

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It's a. Little scary because you don't
know. It's cool to a point, but also
you're asking this machine to put your faith in of this
machine that you have no controlover with your life.
And yeah, I know people say and now I know people like a lot of
self driving cars you supposed to be at the wheel with and so

(35:45):
something can happen, but they're also things like way MO.
Have you ever seen way MO? No, I'll tell you what way MO
is. This is very and people who are
following me should look this upso they can know a little bit
more about this. But way MO, I'm going to give

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way. MO is an autumn autonomous
driving technology company. There's a subsidy of Alphabet
Inc, formerly known as Google self driving car project
developing fully autonomous driving helium service with no
human drive in the vehicle. So what Weibo is it's a a car

(36:27):
that drives by itself is a auto.It's like an Uber, but the car
picks you up by itself. There is nobody in the car
driving you. The car drive you to your
location itself and it it's in San Francisco, Phoenix, Los
Angeles and Texas. It's actually active.
Yes, it's active. It's very active.
Holy that's insane but they're especially since old driver.

(36:55):
Did you see the guy that Wiley Coyote?
A Tesla auto driving feature? I did not see that.
He he put a big like billboard type of thing with like paper
and painted the road for the visual effect to see if it would
stop or go through and it actually went through the paper.

(37:16):
Oh. And so they're like, well, if
you had a wall and painted the road on it, this thing wouldn't
know to stop and just poof. Wow, yeah, it's.
That's crazy. I'm going to send you.
Let me see if I can do it. I think I can do it in here.
Yeah, I'm going to send in the check.

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So when you take a chance, you can take a look at way MO.
But way MO is definitely a thingthat people should keep an eye
out on. I'm, I'm quite sure people who
live in California like, oh, this been a thing for a while.
But yes, way MO is a very fascinating thing.
I, I remember hearing Malcolm Gladwell talk about these cars
and how they work. And I think it's really
fascinating and it's a little touch of where we're at in

(37:59):
society today. You know, people aren't even
paying attention driving when they're supposed to be driving.
I can't, I guess. I mean, if it, if it fails,
you're going to be like, you're not going to be none the wiser
because you're going to be so into playing Pokémon Go or, you

(38:20):
know, trying to catch things while you're, while you're being
driven around or what, what's you know, any of those number of
games and so focused on your phone that you're not going to
pay, realize you're dead until it happens.
I'm always worried and wonderingabout just in general what
happens if we keep going into these situations where we just

(38:45):
have machines do everything for us, whether it's driving,
whether it's bagging up groceries, whether it's just
every little aspect of life thatwe can do that they that we
choose not to deal with. Like oh, this might not be good.
Yeah, there's a thing of like having the convenience and the

(39:08):
luxury of that, you know? But then there's like just utter
laziness and dangerousness that comes from it, you know?
I, I, I worry about, well, one, job security.
That's the, that's the simplest thing about it.
Just, you know, job security is one thing I worry about, then

(39:31):
the other thing I worry about. It's just humanity not being
able to adapt to this. If we have computers doing
everything for us, how do we enhance our own minds?
And you see it now. I was hearing teachers talking
about how they have students in class.
Now that's becoming a problem where these kids, we are in high

(39:55):
school reading at a middle school level.
It's becoming way more insane because they just don't, they
don't use it. They don't like, you know, you
know, they don't have, they don't have the option like in
their daily life, they don't have to read, they don't have to
write. They just, you know.
Like cursive's dead. Yeah, cursive's dead.

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Yeah, nobody knows cursive, theysaid.
If you want to hide something from some of the younger
generation, you just write it incursive.
They'll never know what it says.Yeah, it's just so weird that
we're at a point where the things that were paramount to
us, like learning cursive, learning how to read and write,
learning how to do certain things is not a thing anymore.
I had my knuckles bloodied by rulers by old German nuns trying

(40:38):
to learn how to do cursive correctly, and now nobody has to
learn it. That sucks.
Yeah, it's just such a weird, weird time.
I guess it's a sign of the times.
And I don't mind things changing.
I never do. But I do worry about the future
generations and the knowledge they they receive and things

(40:59):
they know. Because it seems like as society
gets more advanced, humanity gets more dumb.
And I think that's the thing that worries me about society
and as a whole in general, because you see it now, like, I
don't want to get too political,but the idea that we have a

(41:21):
society that we're in now where people can just post something
on social media. And just because they put a a
nice looking header on it and make it look all nice and pretty
and make it looks like it's real, people believe it.
They run with it. Little scary.
Yeah, nobody thinks like, hey, look, let's look at this, count
the finger, see if it's. Yeah, you know, stuff like that
and. There was, there was some, I

(41:48):
don't know who it was. It might not even be a real
quote, but something like, you know, the technology's going to
get to the point where people are going to be Dumber than the
technology. Oh, generation of idiots or
something like that. I can't remember.

(42:10):
I don't even know if it's a realquote or it's just one of those,
again, one of those little meme things that just people
attributed to someone else, but it's kind of coming true that it
was, you know it. It kind of is like as technology
gets smarter, we get Dumber. I don't think we're trying.
I don't think it's the thing that we're trying to do.
It's just like, hey, they've made things more accessible for

(42:36):
us. And it's like, well, because
they're more successful for us, we don't have to do as much
like, even like the simplest things like, you know, analog
clock and like setting our alarmclocks.
We don't have to do it anymore. So we don't think about it like
kind of wild. We think like how many people

(42:58):
don't know how to set a microwave?
Yeah, or, you know, or read a regular clock.
Not digital, you know, Yeah, read, read a map.
People, people don't like just can't.
How do you that's thank you. That is the perfect example.
I I, I was thinking about this to the day like before there was

(43:22):
our phones when we had to go somewhere.
We just figured it out. Now it's like, well if I don't
have my phone I have no clue where to go and I'm like
completely lost. You said the big the big Atlas,
the United States Atlas was like, you know, you know, super

(43:43):
thick and in each, each state was different fold out and you
can sit there and oh, OK, here'sthis and OK, here's the roads
and. Routes and that whole industry
just went out of business essentially.
Like there's no, I really like, I don't like, I remember going
to like when you go out of town,you go to like the little Rd.

(44:03):
Centers and stuff like that, Theservice centers, and it'll be
this big stack of maps you couldbuy.
Usually right by the A&E freeze.Yes, that you have to go buy so
you can know OK, I have to go. This is the way I go to get to
Orlando. This is the way I go to get
here. Now.
I was like, I don't need this. Like why would I buy this long

(44:23):
ridiculous map when I have my phone?
It's like that. It's just kind of antiquated
now. Now you go to the the same
little store they have in there,the duty store or whatever you
want to call it, and it's like awhole bunch of stuff in there
like pillows and chargers for your phone and stuff like that
and like that. Just a different era.
I went to Miami and I just got this T-shirt.

(44:45):
Yeah, a lot of that stuff in there, T-shirts and even when
you go, because I went there a couple weeks ago when I went out
of town for my birthday. Even when you go into, the whole
system is just different. Like there's like actual
restaurants over there, like Subway and Burger King and all
that stuff. Like I remember, like now I'm

(45:05):
sound like an old man. It was just like a coffee shop,
like a like a diner or somethinglike that.
Yep, before there was what wouldlike Waffle House, Waffle House.
It would be like, you know, justsome out of the road back street
dive. Kid.
Man, we're getting old, man. Yes, we are.

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Do you think technology is goingto put us out of jobs?
I work in IT so I don't think itwill because somebody has to fix
it. Yeah, you're, you're going to
be, you're going to be good withthe robots.
The robots going to like you. You're going to be like that
episode of Regular Show where the guy was the DJ and he they
they stopped the DJ and he just was there to oil the robot up

(45:48):
and keep the the systems running.
So they kept robot do that. I have a confession to make.
I have never seen an episode of the Regular Show.
Regular Show is fantastic. I've never seen it.
I think you would love Regular Show, it's great.
Should I put it on my list? Yes, great cartoon series.
OK. I know it's got like a blue Jay.

(46:10):
Yep, that's Mordecai and Raccoon.
That's Rigby. Yeah, I was just saying he's a
little fuzzy guy. I couldn't remember what he was
though, but that's the only thing I really remember seeing
from like commercials and stuff.Really entertaining show.
Really good check to see who's streaming it.
Mark Hamill is in the show he skips who's an immortal, Yes.

(46:32):
Baboon Monkey, a gorilla type character.
I've to check it out though, addit to my list of things that
when I have time to. So, Ken, let let me ask you
this. Yeah, yeah.
I know you're in the history. I know you're in a lot of
things. Philadelphia.

(46:53):
Let let before we go, I want to ask you some some things about
Vikings. Let's get to it.
OK? Where did your love for Vikings
come from? Let's start with that one.
The first time I ever really remember hearing anything about
the Vikings was in Catholic school.
Funny enough, we were reading some world religion things, and

(47:15):
one of the stories that we read was a story of Thor visiting
Yotenheim. And it always stuck with me.
I vividly remember him and his companions finding a cat cave to
sleep in because of the weather was getting bad.
And it turned out to be one of the giants gloves because it

(47:37):
described like, oh, there's thisbig cavern with five offshoots.
And come to find out, it was oneof the giants gloves.
And it became. Yeah, it was really.
It was. And it just always stuck with
me. And like the trials, they did
like Loki. I was one of the companions

(47:57):
there. He had to.
He said he could eat anybody under the table.
And basically a giant was tricking Thor to keep face in
front of his subjects. So they disguised the one giant
that fought Loki was actually fire in disguise.

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And Loki, you said I could eat anything and anybody under the
table. Well, he got not even halfway
down the table and the other person ate the entire, all the
food on the table, including thetable itself.
And they find out later, oh, that was fire, you know, so
nothing can consume fire. The worst that he could drink

(48:44):
anybody under the table. And they gave him a horn to
drink from and he took a big pull from the horn, the drinking
horn, and only went down a little bit.
And the the king was like, well,surely you could do it in two.
Even our children could do it intwo.
And Thor did it three times. It's still never drained the
horn. And he found out the other end

(49:05):
of the horn was actually in the ocean.
And that's what causes the ebb tide him.
He drank enough to affect the tides.
And then like he he wrestled a acat and the cat was actually a a
piece of Jordan gun, the world serpent, which circles the
earth. He wrestled an old lady and the

(49:26):
old lady was actually time and said nobody can, you know, beat
time. Eventually you're going to fall
to it. And he was like, I can't beat
this old lady. And Thor was angry that, you
know, he was tricked, but it taught him not everything is
what it seems. So from there I just started

(49:48):
reading the mythology and liked the ideas of it.
Then I got involved in the medieval recreation group that
did a lot of historical things and research and all that and
research like he's more. I actually even got a Thor's
hammer before I knew what it wasat the time.
And I found out later it was a Thoris hammer.

(50:10):
So I was actually funny enough, I was living in Philly, but we
did a family trip to Salem, MA and I got this, this pendant.
I was, oh, what is this? It was a style of Thoris hammer,
like an Icelandic version of it.And it just went from there and
then kept reading it and readingit and loving the philosophy of

(50:32):
it and the some of the gods and goddesses and stories and in
history let. Let me ask you this, it's a good
question for you. What's 1 misconception you think
people get wrong about Vikings? You.
You. That's a loaded question.
You know what I'm going to say? Horned Helms?

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Vikings. OK, people.
Hey, Vikings Did not have HornedHelms.
Ever. That's something from Wagnerian
operas to make it look cool for just the the the functionality
of it. Why would you put something on

(51:15):
your head that's going to catch a weapon and draw it into your
head? You basically put a giant sword
catcher on your head. Yeah, that makes sense.
Yeah, you're not going to do it.You know you're not going to
charge someone with your head down, so you can't say the
horn's a weapon. You put your head down and
charge it. You're going to get the knife in
the to your shoulder blades, or the sword between your shoulder

(51:37):
blades, or an axe between your shoulder blades.
Yeah, that would be a terrible way of fighting.
Yeah. I never understood that
philosophy. Like, hey, let's put horns on
the head. Like, just cut your head off.
You bend your head down like that.
Ceremonial maybe, but it also came from, I read once they
found a rune stone that had a picture of Odin on it, but they

(52:01):
didn't know it was Odin. The time was just a Viking and
it looked like he had two horns on his head.
And so people said, look there it is, you know.
And through studies they found out that that was a depiction of
Odin with his 2 Ravens whispering in his ears.
He would get an immune and these, these thought and memory,

(52:23):
they'd fly out, see what's goingon, come back and whisper in his
ear and tell them what's going on in the world.
And that's what it was just likethe, the, the pictures, because
it's all blocky and all that. And these things look almost
like horns, but they were actually the Ravens speaking in
his ears. And so they think, they they
theorize that's one of the otherspots where it blew up and went
out. It's so cool.

(52:44):
There's so much like history about Viking that people don't
talk about you. You have the TV shows and things
like that, but it's like such a cool aspect of what Viking is.
Just in general look cool. The whole concept of Vikings and
things like that look cool, these warriors.
They, they were farmers. They were farmers that went out

(53:05):
like they were Norsemen and theywent out Viking ING Viking, you
know, during the raiding and because some of the lands they
lived in didn't have the stuff they needed.
So they went out and got it, youknow, and also to make names for
themselves, conquer and come back with riches.
Hey, look, he's a great warrior.He comes back with, you know, a

(53:26):
long ship full of gold. Yeah, yeah, It's really cool.
What One last question, Ken. Yep, that's me.
A fun one. If you were to tell someone what
is the closest form of media that you can watch or read or
whatever you want to say right now that will give you an

(53:49):
accurate story or portrayal of Vikings, what would that be?
Oh. See, the History Channel's was
it was like edutainment. It was a lot of factual things
and factual people, but the timeline was different and stuff
they wore, while some of it was cool naked, some a lot of it

(54:09):
wasn't. There was a, a show, a movie
produced out of the Scandinavian, I can't remember
which one, where they were trying to save the heir to the
throne and they were showing theloyalty these two guys had by

(54:36):
protecting this baby. They were, you know, they were
basically the the brother was trying to take over the, the
Kingdom and killed the father and the queen.
The queen said, hey, take my son, keep him safe, get him, get
him to safety. And these two guys on skis with,
you know, swords and Spears and bows and arrows, cross country

(54:57):
skiing to get away as they were being pursued and all the
battles they did and the fighting and the the style of
fighting they did. And for the life of me, I cannot
remember the name of that that movie.
It was like a one time thing. It was just really well done
That does. Sound cool?
And it was. It was.
It was. Just fight himself.

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It was really good because it's like really accurate.
That's the stuff they wore, the way they did it, the the
techniques they use. Like, you know, people think
it's oh, they just go after themwith the swords all the time.
It's like not a lot of Vikings had swords because they were too
expensive to have. They had axes and Spears and
bows and arrows. They because swords are just a

(55:46):
lot of metal. Yeah.
Oh, here it is. Christopher Few was in it.
Oh, you found the name of the show?
I'm, I'm looking it up right now.
The Last King, 2016. There you go folks, there's a

(56:07):
show you can go check out. It's it was really well done.
Now it's it's made out of it's Norwegian, so it's going to have
subtitles. Yeah.
OK, it's got the the guy in it. He played Christopher Review
like I know butchered his last name.
He's going to kill me if I ever meet him.

(56:28):
He was the he's the red headed big beard guy from Game of
Thrones. OK.
Yeah, he's in it so. The Mountain.
No, not not the mountain. Red beard.
Red. The red.
Yeah, Red. Beard.
John Snow's best friend? Yes.
Yeah, the one that wanted to wasalways flirting with Brianna of
Tarth, you know, and she's like,oh, you're a big woman.

(56:54):
Seemed like a great dude. Yeah, I've seen him do
commercials and stuff, not too like for Scott's lawn care and
stuff and you know, but yeah, that's that's that's a movie.
Not I'm going to have to put that on my list because I want
to see I want to watch that again.
It's it's on Tubi actually. Oh, OK.
And Prime Video, apparently. Me that link, I'll watch it.

(57:17):
What was up stuff? Sure, I'll put it right in the
chat here. And we are team to be in this
house. I like to be.
That gets the picture, but you get the idea.
You can look it up after that I guess, because I can't can't
give me the. Perfect.

(57:39):
There you go. OK, The Last King.
Yep, perfect Ken. This has been a blast man.
Yeah, it's, it's it's. I had a lot of fun, man.
Thanks for having me on again. My pleasure brother.
Let me notify you at. Basically if it says Bjorn the
Viking, Ken Bjorn Turner on Twitter, Blue Sky, Facebook, any

(58:06):
any of the social medias, I try to grab the name as quick as I
can as they pop up. If it's, if it's that's there,
it's usually me. Perfect.
Make sure you check out Ken on all the social medias.
Check out the stuff. Of course, you have a couple
projects coming up. Yeah, yeah.
Oh, and hopefully get the podcast back on Bjorn's Keep.

(58:27):
I've been trying to work on thatin my head now that things are
calmed down and things are a little bit more straightened out
in my life and stuff like that. And there you go, you know that
and some writing. I told you about the one you
know. But I got a couple others and
hopefully one of them, I'm goingto have a side project I've been
doing for a couple years now, hopefully have it done for
Christmas because I've been working on it tomorrow.

(58:49):
So it's a twisted Christmas story, kind of, sort of.
Love it. All right.
Thank you guys for listening. As always, Devil Cox, Squin, we
are out. Peace.