The Delvin Cox Experience Episode 392 Black History is Being Erased Featuring Mike From One Mic Black History Podcast

This week, my guest on the Podcast is Mike, AKA Country Boi, from the One Mike Black History podcast. We discussed the direction the Country is going in for Black Americans, the impact of black entertainers, and the Sinners movie and its cultural impact. 

Twitter: https://x.com/TheCutPodcast1

Website: https://www.onemichistory.com/

YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f-p4GtCCAEw

https://www.youtube.com/@countryboi

John Brown: https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/december-2/john-brown-hanged

Subtrack: https://onemicblackhistorypodcast.substack.com/

Episode Transcript

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Thank you. Welcome to the Delvin Cox

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experience, the podcast, which each week I'm on a one man
mission to United Coast University.
I'm your host, Delvin Cox, and with me on the podcast is a
special guest. I guess say guess he's been here
multiple times, my man. I've watched his brother come

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up. I guess we kind of watch each
other come up in the podcast andget in terms of like everything
from him doing the Cut podcast, me doing a Delma Cox experience,
to him doing the One Mic Black History podcast and pulling that
up and doing the crazy numbers on YouTube with that.
And me doing PSVG and doing the voice acting thing, being a

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Green Lantern and all that stuff.
And I always appreciate when I can sit down and have a
conversation with my boy Mike from the 11 Mic Black History
podcast. See, I try not to say your last
name 'cause sometimes people be weird.
You know, it don't bother me because it's like I, I, there

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was a time when I would try to be anonymous, but then it got to
the point where I was doing stuff where it was.
Possible got too. Big, yeah, I got too big.
I got too big. It got weird.
Like I was like, Charlemagne doesn't do that, but Charlemagne
doesn't do history. He's kind of a dumb ass.
So when I go talk and like, you know, I had AI, had a thing for
Morgan that way. I talked to Morgan State and I

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was like, I can't, I can't get this, this professor of, of
media, media history, you know, country boy, I have to give him
my government name. So he just got it.
You see, I always wonder about worry about it because because
you do black history stuff and considering the way our

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country's going and how it seemslike it's an attack on black
history and our culture and DEI and stuff like that, I always
wonder like, maybe I shouldn't put that out there because
people are weird and they'll start saying some weird wild
shit. They.
Were doing some weird wild shit.I've never really had a huge,
huge problem. I'm not really all that, you

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know, super confrontational. I've had some about like, I'll,
I'll tell, I'll tell, I'll tell stories, I'll tell stories.
And if you get weird about it, Ijust block you and move on.
Like I'm never going to be, I'm never going to be like, I don't
know people. That's the whole platform.
I know black people that, that'sthe whole platform.
It's like you say something stupid.
Oh, let me put you on blast for all of my people.

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You know, ironically, it's a lotof black women and there's no
knock against them. It's just that's not the kind of
person I am. I don't have that kind of
energy. I don't want to.
I mean, sometimes I get into arguing with people and I like
like, I'll type out a long replyand then I'll just like, man,
fuck it and delete it. I've definitely had it with

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people like based off certain guest I've had on the show, new
or old guest and some of the things they say people get mad
and then they want to start yipping and yapping like.
You know what? You know it's funny and it's
probably partially arrogance. I'm so dug into whatever

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viewpoint I have, like that's something that you can.
It's something that I could be Icould be moved on.
If you, if you, I don't know if you saw me tweet out the other
day that like don't out try to act black, black history me, you
know, like I'm so like, I agree with that, putting so much time
and so much energy that if you if I say something and then you
come in here and you try to critique me, I'll be like, Yo,

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there's no way you put in the time that I put in.
I'm already automatically assumethat you're a dumb ass.
And I thought that's really not a knock on people.
It's just most people don't knowwhat they're talking about.
And I know we want to have the energy and I'll be so like dug
into my position and so arrogant.
It's like, no, no, we're not doing that.
Delete. I'll tell you a little story

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about that. You did.
I know you know this. Anytime I see your videos on
Instagram, I post them. I repost them and share them
because I know people there. There are certain things that
people just don't know and there's fake news things that
people try to believe and they start here.
Like here's actual history to back up some things that I tell

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you about or things that you don't know about.
And Long story short, the one you did about the Sinners movie,
right? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
yeah. I showed that to my mom because
I saw the movie and I thought itwas fantastic.
And then my mom who's a horror fan, she was like, she loves

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horror movies. Me and her got into discussion
about this is 1 you should see. And then she was like, you know,
people, black people saying it'sdiabolical and stuff like that.
And I'm like, ma, these motherfuckers will watch 1000
white horror movies with the same shit in it.
But then when a black horror movie comes out, now they want

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to talk. They want to talk about moral
sin. Yeah, yeah.
Yeah. And this is and it's the devil.
It's devil. And that's honestly, once again,
and I talk about this a little bit, but it's one of the themes
in it in the movie, it's about especially I'm sitting around
the Blues because it was this idea that the Blues was the
devil's, was the devil's music. Which you did an episode about

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which I higher up to check out. Yeah, yeah, well, I did the
episode about not Not even sinners related.
Just like the Blues. It's like the Blues and the and
the Blues being the, you know, the devil's music.
But they they don't really. The movie doesn't specifically
say it. The the a couple of the like
Sammy and Delta Slim kind of insinuated, but they don't say

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that Remic is the devil. It just kind of allude to the
fact that him that Sammy and hisgift allow the devil to come in
and even his dad. It's like you keep playing that
music, you're going to invite the devil in, you know, and then
evil shows up to his doorstep. And then now you see how how we
got here. So we have this long history of

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this assumption that things are demonic and the movie even kind
of lose to that fact that, and you know, a lot of that is not
based on actual religion. It was based on the fact they
didn't they didn't like the factthat people were going out on
Saturday nights, hanging out some Smokey's Juke joint and
then not coming to church on Sunday for the next day, not

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paying their ties, not not showing up to church.
I, I need you here. You can't go to church all day
if you was at you can't go to church in the morning if you
were in the Juke joint all night.
How did you hear? And that makes sense because
break it when you break it down back then church and those Juke

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joints was such a big part of the community were like stable
to the community. That's what people, those are
the places people went at. So they kind of so you, you kind
of need to have. And it was like the places where
you would fall communities and you build that you would grow
at. It's not like now we just go on
the Internet and type of you meet you meet your, your tribe
and stuff like that. No, these were the places you

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were at. Yeah, these places where you
meet, where you were meeting people, this is where you would
meet like like minded, like minded people.
And and to that point, like if you went to a Juke joint, it was
one of the few places where you could one be away from that
white gaze, which is really important.
You know, most of the places youare you at work, you wanted your

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boss is probably white, your maybe some of your Co workers,
but it is Juke joint. And This is why in the movie it
was super reluctant to let the the to let Remick and his people
in because they were white. Like, Yo, you got everybody come
in here. He did.
Of course they don't want it. Again, they don't say it, but we
we understand the black experience.
So when we saw it like, no, fuckno, you can't come here because
you want to mess the vibes up. You want to make it weird in

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here. Everybody now they acting, we,
we walking on egg shells becausewe don't know who this dude is.
I don't know who this white guy is.
You know he got to go. And that was a a really
interesting part of the movie that I I appreciate that the
fact that it was almost, I guess, reverse prejudice, but it

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was completely justified when you think of the ramifications
of it. Well, not even, not even take
out the whole spoilers vampires thing, but the fact that, hey,
if we let these white people in to have fun and somebody step on
these shoes, they get in an argument with somebody, all of
us are going to be dead. Yeah, they'll come up here.

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They'll lynch him. It might, might lynch the rest
of us. This not the first time they've
done that. That's not the first time today.
Like lynch one person and then ran all of the black people out
of town in a particular place. Like that's not especially, you
know, where they were in Clarksdale, Mississippi in the
19th in 1932. They run every single one of

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y'all black casts up out of there.
That's not that's not unheard of.
And that's a real. Fear that people are lynching.
Yeah, that's a real fear that people had back then, and I
think that the movie did a greatjob of portraying that aspect of
it. Yeah, I like, I like Ryan Kruger
because everything he does, he you could tell he he puts in the
time and does and does care. Because I remember watching

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Black Panther 2 and without, youknow, I almost I didn't enjoy,
but you know, it's hard to watch.
I couldn't watch it again. I agree.
I agree, and it's not because it's a bad movie, it's because
of it's. It's just painful.
It's really painful to watch. You know, there's two funerals
in that movie. Like, bro, what was the last
time you went to watch a movie and they had two, not one
funeral, but two of them joined.Like that's a lot.

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But the care that he took with Namor and Namor being indigenous
was, was dope. You could tell he put in the
time and effort and work into that to make that make that
authentic. And that's not, that's not easy.
Like for us, when you talk aboutblack culture, like this is so
inherent to us. It's like it's like second
nature when you're watching it, you're like, Oh yeah, you did

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your turn. You did your homework.
I could tell because you did this, this, this and this.
You know what I'm saying? That's exactly how a black
person would react. But when you start talking about
other people's culture, it's to really, you have to really take
kid gloves. It's one of the reasons why I
don't get into the black diaspora, because when you start
talking about the cultures of Western Africa, we're so far
removed from that. Yes.

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We have all our cultural Yeah, we have a completely different
culture. When you start touching on that,
then like you start stepping on toes or talk about things that
are like, that's not really, that's not really me.
That's not really me anymore. It's not really us anymore.
It's also why I don't like that they have, they feel like they
free to talk about black Americans.
Like, *** you don't know us. I was going.

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To tell. Everything about us, that's.
The whole even. People, even English, you know
English black people like y'all don't know us, you don't know
us, you don't know our experience.
You don't know what I and, and honestly especially English
black Americans like bro, you was on the same same boats.
A lot of you guys came from the Caribbean.
Some of you guys are Jamaican. You was on the same we were on

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the same boat and got off at a different stop.
You know how you going to rag onme about riding the bus when you
was on that same bus? You just got off a little bit
earlier than I did. Like, stop it, stop it.
Get on out of here. It's, it's interesting because
it's something that we as black Americans always talk about in
terms of people who are not knowledgeable telling our

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stories and painting these pictures of us that are not
correct and us getting and This is why people people don't
understand us getting mad at it.But that's why because they
don't tell the full picture of it.
They don't tell the. Whole picture they paint this
picture that they know the answers to, yet they try to act

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intentionally, you know, obtuse about.
So like they were like, hey, I don't know why black people do
this, this, this and this. I'm like, bro, you know exactly
why? Because you like I said, he was
on the same boat. He was on the same boat.
And even if you were on the sameboat, you have to be able to see
the natural progression of this of how we are.

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Like give you example. They were talking about religion
and kind of similar to what you were talking about how people
were saying that sinners was a devil.
It was devil's, it's a devil. Is it, it's a devil movie?
It's worship the devil or whatever.
And it was like the first comment was like the black
community and the church is likeone of the worst thing that ever

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happened to us. But I was like, you do
understand it? You know, modern religion is
always built on hope. And in times of hardship, of
times of struggle, people usually hold tighter towards
religion, modern religion. This is this is what happens
when things get rough. People go to church because they
want to believe that so there's a higher power and things would

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get better. And who would dealt with more
struggle than black people? So it stands to reason that if
you are a person who was disconnected from your original,
who disconnected from your religion through centuries and
we're given a new one, you wouldthen take that religion, adapt
it to your environment, and thenhold tight towards that.
And now you ask us, you ask us how old you know, why the black

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people so religious? *** It's it's, it's in our
history. This is exactly who we are.
If you guys read a book, just a little bit of a book, it
wouldn't like you could find theanswer to these questions that
you have so easily. It's almost frustrating to me.
How? Naive you are.
It's engraved with black American culture, like every

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aspect of it. When segregation began and you
know, slavery ended, black people looking for things to do
and places to go, and church is one of those big things that we
end up doing because of communal.
Yeah, and it's communal and and one it was away from the white

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gays once again, please talk about juice joints.
You get you get to go and be yourself, true self and you're
not in front of the white gays and you get to celebrate.
And for that hour, that two hours, you get to forget about
what it's like on the outside. It's a good day.
It's a good day. It makes complete sense.
Well, how you got to be this wayeven though, you know, like you

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said, modern religion is a lot. And also it was protecting.
Yeah. You know, in a, in a, in a, in a
era where black people didn't have many places they could feel
safe and protected, church was one of those places.
This. Is one of those places and if
you look through once you once you start talking about through
history, church is one of the places that pops up.

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It pops so constantly. So like on watch night and you
know, 1862 when they were sitting in, when they were
sitting there waiting for the Emancipation Proclamation to
become official, that's where they were at in church.
You know, every New Year's, every New Year's when you're
celebrating watch night, when you're, you know, sitting in
there praying church, you know, every single Sunday, every,

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every, every weekend when, when no matter what happened
throughout that week, you were sitting there in church and that
was a reset. That's a reset for your week.
You know, when we were going through the civil rights
movement and we were like, we needed leaders who weren't
subject to the white power structure, pastors, pastors,
because they were, they were, they were members of the church.

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They were ran by the church. They were paid by us.
So when they got arrested, they didn't lose their job when
Martin Luther King got arrested.Ralph Abernathy They didn't lose
their job. They went back and chart and
taught the very next weekend. Facts.
Well, anyway, let's let's not forget it because we like always
like start a podcast off at the five for five, five questions 5

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asks to get the bar rolling. Mike, you ready?
Yeah, let's go. Question #1 Give me your top
five important black movies. Oh, wow, Oh, wow.
I feel like, I feel like you, you have to watch Malcolm X.

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That's one. I don't feel like you.
I feel like, you know, you mightwant to start there.
Especially the way Denzel playedit like a spike talk about how
Denzel embodied, like he embodied the spirit of Malcolm.
And, and honestly, I can see howyou could legitimately get them
mixed up because he was so well,he played so well in that role.

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Probably, probably The Color Purple.
I, I think we talked about movies, not talking about the
black experience. And, and it sucks at The Color
Purple, the stuff the original wasn't done by by a black
person. Like he was telling our story.

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Yeah, it was done by, yeah, Steven Spielberg.
And he talks about this a littlebit.
You know how people were like, yo, who are you?
But he did a great job with thisand it's a really good movie.
It it does cast us a bit in a negative light.
And I know a lot of you know, red pill cats will talk about
how all of the men in the movie are assholes.
But like, given the time period,you know, it wasn't out outside

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of the norm. That wasn't outside of the norm.
God, I want to give a movie thatI, that's not like, you know,
heavy, heavy, heavy, heavy, heavy.
I really feel like something like life does not get the
disrespect that it deserves. I think some more.
Really. That people should watch should

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you should watch it like it's funny, but it also that story
is, is the plight of of black men.
It's a plight of many black men who were who were arrested on
trumped up charges and spent their entire their entire life
in jail working on a chain gang.Like that's not that's a real,
it's a real story. It's not, it's a comedy, but

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it's real life. It's a damn, damn documentary.
I I will say this about life. I think it's a very underrated
Eddie Murphy movie. It is it really?
Is like probably a lot like whenpeople talk about the great
Eddie Murphy movies. People always talk about life,
but they don't mention it and there was echelon of movies like
this. You probably can make the

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argument it's probably the last great Eddie Murphy movie.
Yeah, like when you start you talking about, you know,
boomerang Harlem nights life, probably toss in one of his, you
know, when he was on his like run and Beverly Hill cops
movies, you know, or I like those movies.
They're not my favorite. But sometimes those movies, like

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he's like he had a run, he had arun of movies.
Like this was some quality. And I'm a huge Eddie Murphy fan,
by the way, so. I I watched Norbit like I don't
have a problem. Funny enough, I have not watched
the last Beverly Hills Cop movieyet.
It was OK, OK, I don't have a problem.

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I really did not have a problem with the club.
Once again, I'm a huge Eddie Murder fan.
So like, I'm in it like, hey, let's do it, let's do it.
Let's we, we, this is what we doing.
Cool, Let's let's go with me. Cool with me.
I'm not agent though. Yeah, he's not Asian.
I mean, I think it was better than the second Coming to
America movie, which was that's good that cuz that Coming to

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America movie, like did not needto exist cuz I'm here once
again, if Eddie's not the main character, I don't know why
we're here. Like I'm only here for Eddie.
Like you better find a way. And it's weird because that
movie coming to America wasn't good, but then he came out
another movie, I think it's called The Candy Cane.
Yeah, it was. It was all right.
I actually enjoyed that movie a lot.

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Like this is pretty good. It's a good feeling movie.
Why it just like I? Remember I remember watching
that one, especially during Christmas.
That was a good movie to watch to watch during Christmas.
That's exactly what I watched itlike.
This is pretty good. Let me.
Thanks. Let me, thanks.
I don't know. I always end up like like doing
like historical movies when we do something like this.

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You got three solid ones so far.You got three really good.
Ones. Yeah, I do.
I do have three solid ones. I'm trying to think of movies
that are like, not based on fucking history.
Black Panther. Absolutely.
Matter of fact, Black Panther isa great one because Black
Panther came at a time matter offact, I already know what I'm

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going to do. We're going to do Black Panther
and then we're going to go get out because I watched perfect
the the story about where Ron Cougar talked to Jordan Peele
about that time and he was like,yo, those movies came out at a
time where they were perfect like this was the world was

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ready. Forget out.
It needed to get out. It needed a Black Panther.
When we when get out came out, we I think Eric Garner around
that time and we were looking for something that kind of spoke
to us and get out spoke to us and Black Panther too.
We always wanted our own black superhero, and we'd never.
As many times as I've rooted fora watch, how many times I've

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watched white superheroes to finally get somebody that looked
like me. That was a fucking bad ass, man.
Let's go. I was.
I loved it. It's kind of ironic that you
said Ryan Coogler and Jordan Peele would get out of Black
Panther, and we may be getting that again this year with
Sinners and Him. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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I'm looking forward to him. I think it's going to be great.
He interviewed Jordan Peele before.
Ron Cougar has a YouTube channel.
I did not know he. Interviewed when he interviews
people because he interviewed his choreographer for Sinners.
It's a it's AI think he's Asian or Filipino, something like that

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and talks about the choreographyfrom the movie Sinners.
But he also interviewed Jordan Peele many, many moons ago, like
before Sinners came out. I think it might have been a
like Black Panther, Black Panther 2:00-ish surrounding
there. And they would just talk about
his process, his life, how he got here, Jordan Peele, how
Jordan Peele got here and how Jordan Peele like, you know,

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really, really weird. He was studying to be like a
puppet. Like he wanted to stop motion.
He would do stop motion. And then in the middle, he went
to one of those weird, those weird colleges where they teach
you how to do like performance art and, and he started to do
stop motion. And then he went and did improv.

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He did improv for years before he caught on at Mad TV and then
later on at at Key and Peele. So like he's like, I didn't
expect to be a director. Being a director kind of just
fell into his lap. He may get out.
He had been writing it out sinceMad TV and eventually he got the

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he got the green light to do themovie and realize no one could
do this movie but him. Nobody.
What other black director could I get who is out there and who
understands my vision the way I do?
And he's like, holy shit, I haveto direct this movie.
And that's what happened. And now he's a director.

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One of my favorite directors, actually.
Yeah, he's he actually does a great job.
I like if you watch Key and Peele, some of the skits like
you get, I see it. I see some of the skits.
Are they meant to be funny? But some of the skits I can see
how you could make them horror if you just like took a left
when you made a right, you know,like a lot of you like.
Oh, OK, I see. I see where your vision going on

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and you know, horror and comedy,they not that far.
You're not that far from each other.
They they they, they're bad brothers in terms of movie.
Drivers question #2 This could be another fun hard one.
Give me your top three most influential black entertainers.

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Holy crap. Yeah.
Oh man. Well off the rib.
Harry Belafonte. Harry Belafonte is the one that
a lot of people don't, they don't know about, but he, he
was, you know, good friends withMartin Luther King.
He during the civil rights movement, it wasn't just about

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protesting. Somebody had to make money.
Somebody had to make money and fund it.
And Harry Belafonte was one of those guys when he was funding,
when he was funding the movementand you know, and that was that
stuff was super important. He's also dumb popular.
He's also extremely popular. Yeah, he, he was popular.

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He was one. He was a handsome man.
He was one of those people who who was could.
Crossover. Could crossover so he he felt
safe to people. Yeah, even though he was who he
was. And and he was they would use
him as a middle man between the white world and the black world,

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because he could kind of skate that line between because it's
because it's popularity. So like when they needed someone
to like, hey, go talk to the white people care Belafonte.
It's. The one you call it.
Belafonte God. Sometimes you need a person like
that. You do, you do, and I and
honestly, everything is not about protests because you know,

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these times people talk about like who going to be out here in
the streets? And that's that's fine.
It needs to be somebody in the streets, but it also needs to be
somebody financing the people inthe streets.
And also like you get somebody like a James Baldwin.
James Baldwin was a protester, but he was written.
He would write. He would he would his protest
came in books and writing down and speech and speeches and

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people were asking questions andhe would say things that were,
you know, highly influential. But he wasn't he didn't he
didn't go to a single rally or asingle protest.
Let me thanks. Who was another influential
entertainer? You know, it's funny.
Diddy, Diddy, Diddy and hip hop.He has so much power.

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That's a weird choice. But like when the right and the
wrong ways. And the right and the wrong.
Like when Tori talks about him, like how he was able to coerce
people into dealing with his BS,it's because of the power he
had. Like when you when you were in
there, you're trying to break into the music industry.
Getting a cosign from somebody like Drake, from somebody like

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Diddy helps those guys in the middle say, oh, this is a guy I
might want to work with. And because of that, if they
give you the no go, it is your your job is even more difficult.
So if you're trying to break into my life, Cassidy, Cassie
spent 10 years thinking she was getting album made and he was
just having freak outs with her.I when I think of Diddy, I think

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the white counterpart of Diddy probably might be Harvey
Weinstein. Yeah, people keep saying fucking
Epstein. That's that's not a comparison.
It's Harvey Weinstein. It's Harvey Weinstein, you know,
Go ahead. Somebody who's super, super
powerful in the industry, who was he love?

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I hate Harvey Weinstein. He helped a lot of people get
their start. He did.
He did a. Lot of celebrities, a lot of
people in. Weinstein created the that that
Oscar push, you know, for best picture.
We're now like back in the day movies.
It should kind of just go to anymovie, but there was that Harvey
Weinstein created the thing where like, yo, I'm putting

(29:37):
pressure behind you to nominate one of my pictures as best
picture or but that was a HarveyWeinstein production.
He had a great deal of power. Matter of fact, most of
Tarantino's movies we're done byHarvey Weinstein production
company. He had a quite a bit of power.

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And it's honestly, you know, when you compare them to Diddy,
like you can kind of see, especially when you were hungry,
how you could you could deal with it.
Like they talked to the one of the did one of those guys that
that Diddy assaulted. And he said even after he got
assaulted, he kept dealing with his stuff because he was in too

(30:19):
deep. He had that sunken cost fallacy
where I spent so many times and so many beats and working on his
love album. And then he's like, even after
he got assaulted, he's like, he kept showing up to work.
Like, bro, bro, I must, I must, I'm it's going to be prison
rules. I must come up.
It's that it's, I guess it's theideal of I'm in, I'm in, I'm in

(30:43):
too deep now and this guy has mysuccess in his hands.
He does. Because he's so powerful, like
people don't realize how powerful that he is.
If if you look at the set the the the sample sound and hip hop
like taking something that's oldand making it new, Diddy played
a huge part of that. Matter of fact, that whole early

(31:07):
90s new Jack swing like he of course, that was a lot of that
attributed to Teddy rally, but Diddy played a huge role in that
whole idea of you taking hip hopbeats over over R&B vocals like
that, like like Mary J Blige, that one.
These are Diddy productions. You know, we start talking about
faith, who matter of fact soundsa lot like Mary J Blige.

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Like I don't know how I all I did.
He was like, let me get my own pretty.
Much. Yeah, so a lot of that is was
was him that sound like it's it's sad to watch someone who
has so much influence be a fucking monster.

(31:51):
But it like Bill Cosby. Yeah.
But you have to you have to acknowledge the power and it's
how he changed hip hop, even through whatever, whatever that
is, whatever he is, whatever kind of person he is, matter of
fact, you know, you know, Bill Cosby is a great choice for
influential people too, because he was doing the same, in the

(32:13):
same way trap people in the gamethe exact same way as Diddy, you
know, with that power, with his power influence.
But also like outside of that, he had a great deal of pull in
the game. You know, especially after the
Cosby Show, he could do almost anything he wanted.
You know, he called Eddie Murphy.
You remember that in raw, he said he called him to talk about

(32:34):
you curse too much. Like who could who does that?
Who tells Eddie Murphy you cursetoo much?
But but somebody like Bill Cosbywith the pool that he has, I
said it's crazy. It's crazy times, man, crazy
times. It's kind of weird to talk about
entertainers and every every single one got like some bad,
awful back story. Let's.
Let's let's find one that's not as.
Problematic. We got to find somebody who's

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not. I got to find a good person.
Let's see. Let me thanks.
Let me thanks. There's a few out there.
Yeah, it is. Denzel.

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That's a good one. Denzel is a is a denful.
Especially when you hear the stories about what Denzel did
for other actors that that people didn't know about.
Like did you hear the story about him and Chadwick?
What do you do for Chadwick? OK, Ryan Coogler told the story
on The Breakfast Club and what essentially what happened was

(33:39):
when Chadwick was breaking into Hollywood and stuff like that,
trying to get his feet on the heknew Felicia was shot and
Felicia was shot like this brother's talented.
She told him, hey, I want to do help you make it, so we're going
to send you to acting school. I'm going to get a beneficiary
to send you to acting school in England, and they're going to

(34:02):
pay for it and everything like that.
So they did that. She got the beneficiary.
Chad went to acting school, blewup, became the person he is
today. Years later, they told him that
beneficiary was Denzel Washington.
Denzel did not know it was Chadwick, he just was helping.

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That's correct. He did not know it was Chadwick.
So Chadwick found out years later.
So then Black Panther premiere. Denzel goes to the Black Panther
premiere not knowing none of this.
Chadwick pulls him aside and tells him it was me you helped
those years ago. That's crazy.

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It was a small world. Yeah.
I would have been like, man, getout of here.
Ain't nobody do that. Chad would never mention to
anybody that never said nothing about it till that moment, he
told them. Dang, that's, that's, that is
wild to me that he that he did that, you know, he didn't like
I, I think Ron Coogler said he didn't even know Chad.

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We was sick that Chad, we didn'ttell nobody didn't tell anybody
like you imagine he was doing Black Panther.
He did any game, all of that. He he also, Coogler also told
another story about how he said he taught Chadwick's friend who
was also Chadwick's agent, rightthat before when Chadwick was

(35:30):
sick, right? You know, one of his big last
hurrahs was he took his family and agent to Mexico for
vacation. So they out there having fun and
vacation and stuff like that. And while they were there, Jack
was just there studying martial arts, doing martial arts move,
studying the art of Mexico because he was preparing for

(35:51):
Black Panther 2, because he was super excited for Black Panther
2. While his family was on
vacation, he was studying Mexico.
Black Panther 2. That sucks that sucks.
I honestly nothing. No I feel like they should
recast them. I mean, I get it.

(36:13):
It's been a while, but the worldneeds, the world needs another
Black Panther and it and it, andit ain't Sherry.
It ain't Sherry. Like, I get it, She's done it.
She's she's done it. But.
I think, I think we're getting that.
I think it's going to come around.
Considering what happened to Black Panther 2.
I think they're setting that up.I think they're also setting it

(36:34):
up like, you know, without getting too far into the weeds,
a complete reset, I think that'scoming.
A complete reset of the Marvel Universe is coming.
Yes, probably after after Secretwars if if they're planning on
incursions, which typically happens when you had a
multiverse because traveling through the multiverse causes
your old universe to follow you around and then and then collide

(36:56):
with the new universe that you're in.
I could see this happening and you know, nothing can stop an
incursion. They try to stop the incursions
in the comic books and it shattered the Infinity stones.
So after that happens, you get to the end of it and you like
you pop out the other side. I can have a new Iron Man, new
Black Panther, do whatever new what we doing?

(37:18):
Yeah. We're getting to that.
I think we're getting to. That yeah, I think so.
I I think we're getting, we're getting to that point.
I feel like we got cheated a little bit, you know, not having
Chadwick around. We felt like we were.
Supposed to do great, supposed to do great things.
It's so many evil people in thisworld, like, like Chadwick, bro.
That's the one. You want it?

(37:39):
Yeah. Anyway, you know what?
I'm going to go with Michael Jackson.
Like if you want to talk about somebody who was like Uber
popular, like it was nobody morepopular than Michael Jackson at
his height, you know, he can go nowhere.
Like nowhere. He broke the mole for black
celebrities. Yeah, he, he was, he was the
mole. And I remember Freddie Gear
talking about how he came to Gary and he was throwing

(38:00):
chicken, throwing chicken for about his limousine.
Like that's, you know, like, I mean, as far as like his
influence and his sound. I remember him saying Montel
talked about how Michael Jacksonhad this thing where if he had a

(38:20):
brilliant idea or an idea for a song, he had to put it down
immediately because he was scared that God would give it to
Prince. Like if you, if I have this
genius idea or I have an idea with some, I have to keep this
junk out of my head or he'll give it to someone else.
And you know what I mean? I, I think that's a little
crazy, but I get it because I feel like if I don't get ideas

(38:44):
out of my head that God might not give it to somebody else,
but he'll damn, she'll take it. Like, bro, you ain't doing that
with that. Let me get that good idea back.
You ain't you don't need it. You don't need it.
That's that's definitely a thingall.
Right. Yeah, Michael Jackson.
I like it. Question #3 if you could remove

(39:11):
one person from history to make the world a better place, who
would you more removing? Trump, fuck them.
There you go, I. Guess you could probably I guess
you could probably do like, you know, Hitler or somebody, but
man, fuck Trump. Will ya fuck Trump.
Like we talk about people. This is it's for for more moment

(39:34):
when you talk about people, evilpeople that live forever.
Luckily people live forever. Why?
Why did you live this bro? You, you are he eats McDonald's
Big Macs every fucking day. There's no way you should still
be. How are you still making this

(39:54):
happen? I don't understand like it's got
to be give me something. You know, it reminds me of that
episode of Man with Children with Jim Jupiter.
And it was like he ate healthy his whole life for so long.
Once he ate junk food that killed them.
It might be the opposite for Trump.

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He ate junk food for so long, Ifhe's like a carrot he'll fucking
kill over it. Like what is it?
I didn't choke on that. Bitch might be just that like.
Yeah, no, he went to Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Qatar.
Yeah, Qatar. They brought a mobile McDonald's

(40:36):
just for him and his people. I was like, bro, like, what are
you doing? I hate it here.
We are so, so stupid. This is just the dumbest
timeline. Every day it's something.
It's something else. Yeah, Luckily, luckily, I'm,
I'm, I'm. I'm glad that you know that the
lions are eating each other a little bit.

(40:59):
The him and Eli fell out becauseof course, because there's zero
sum people when you have people who like only deal in wins and
losses and can't understand Grayareas, eventually going to start
eating each other because they have to.
They only know to they only knowhow to win.
They don't know how to win or lose and they can't lose.
So you got to get the fuck out. So they're going to fight each

(41:19):
other. And they were.
If they were lions, you know they would have bitten each
other's faces off by now. Yeah, I agree.
Well, I'm going to ask you this question then.
Could I ask the question a little?
Hope podcasts go. What do you think?
In your opinion, question #4 is the greatest threat to our
democracy today. Oh, man, I mean, first from on

(41:45):
Trump, but mostly like the attack, the attack on on, on
free speech attack on, on just general knowledge in general.
And you kind of see that a lot with attack with, you know, some
of the things they do with with black history.
But they want it's stupid, stupid people, easy to control
and easy to manage. But on the flip side of that,

(42:08):
having your population stupid isexactly how you would bring down
a an empire. I, I can erode you from the
inside, you know what I'm saying?
Because you have people here whoare against, who are against
vaccines. And now the CDC is rolling back
COVID vaccines talking about only people who are 65 and older

(42:29):
can have it. This is exactly where you have a
pandemic. It's actually the way you create
a pandemic. Then you know that that kills a
great portion of your, of, of your people, of your society.
You know exactly how you bring measles back when you have
people who don't, who don't trust their the politicians or
believe in politicians like their football.
I get a football team or their religious figure, you know, like

(42:51):
the Branch Davidian or some shit, or you, you know, you
David Koresh or I'm trying to think of some other cults, you
know, Jim Jones or some shit. Then that's a problem that
that's a problem. You can't.
This is why they don't understand Democrats because
they they feel like Democrats should have the same passion and
love for for their choice as a leader as they do in Trump.

(43:13):
And we don't give a fuck. We just don't like you.
Like I don't I don't feel strongly about Biden.
I voted, you know, I didn't really feel strongly about
Kamala, but I tell you what I don't like.
I don't like your orange ass. Like, you know, and this is, you
know, for the most part, this isblack people, black people, you
know, we, we, we kind of understand at least black women,

(43:34):
a lot of black men are kind of goofy acting, but black women
understand this. They understand that I don't
have to love you to vote for you.
And, and, and, and my alignment lies with who the people who do
the least amount of damage. So, you know, we start talking
about, you know, the greatest threat to democracy.
It's, it's stupid people. And we're surrounded by them.

(43:58):
We're surrounded by them, being ran by them.
Yes, we are to say the least question #5 I think this is
going to be an interesting one to bring up for this one
considering everything that's happened so far within we're now
into month six of a four year presidency.

(44:24):
Can this be fixed is my questionfor you.
And I bring this up, let me clarify this.
I bring this up with you look atall the DI rollbacks, all the
rights that's been taken away. You look at what's happening
with immigration and. A lot, A lot of it can be fixed.
No, with wave of a pen. But one of the problems with

(44:48):
tearing things down is tearing things down.
Let me give you an example. I, I work at Panther Stadium for
Tepper, for Tepper Sports, whichis like, you know, he owns like
the Charlotte FC, the Carolina Panthers, whatever.
Anyway, I'll be at the stadium. And I watched them put together
the stage for the Shakira concert and the Kendrick Lamar
concert. And it took him a week to put

(45:11):
the stage up, like a week to getthe stage ready for Kendrick
Lamar. And then a couple weeks later
for Shakira. It took them a day to demolish
that hole to like it was gone. Like you went from one day to
the next and that joint was on the ground gone.
That's the part that worries me is that, yeah, it's easy.

(45:31):
It's easy for you to roll back Medicaid.
It's easy for you to to close the Department of Education.
But on the flip side of that, totry to repair those things.
That's that's. Far.
Far more difficult. It takes time and, and, and the
kids that were harmed during that time or the people that

(45:52):
were harmed or the people that died because you rollback
Medicare, they don't or Medicaid, Medicare and Medicaid,
they not they're not going to get their life back.
Like you don't like that, that, that, that callousness, the lack
of, of, of oversight and forethought, that, that kind of
shit, that, that, that kills people.
And that, and that's the kind ofthing that they really, really,

(46:16):
I'm going to give you another example.
My, my brother-in-law works for the federal government.
He's he works for the VA and they've been mandated to go back
to the office and they went back, you know, they went back
in and this is granted, they don't have the meeting space.
The reason, one of the reasons why they sent them home during
COVID is 1. They didn't have the meeting
space before. Now they have less beauty space

(46:38):
and these people are going to offices that haven't been
housed, that haven't been open, they haven't been looked at in
several years. It's sending them to offices
with like in the basement and semi flooded.
They don't have the facilities, don't have places to to to talk
to their clients. They don't have anything that
they need. It's just basically your boy
saying that he wants things to get done and doesn't give a fuck

(47:01):
how that gets done. Like that sort of stuff.
That's not, that's, that's, that's, that shit's not OK.
And nobody and everybody's just like Republicans just following
in line against the people that you claim to care about, which
is your troops. You, you, you claim, you claim
to care, but every turn, you treat them like shit.
You treat them like these fucking servants.

(47:21):
And that's the whole thing. I hate him so much.
Yeah, he's. I hate him so much.
A piece of. Work and.
A piece of. Work.
Let me ask you this because one of the main reasons I want to
have you on here is 1, to talk about sinners a little bit, but
two, more importantly, you beinga historian, what is it like for

(47:43):
you to see all this stuff going on and history kind of repeat
itself in so many ways, and we're in this unprecedented
level of just the shit that's going on, man, it's been a lot.
As far as from a back history level, like, you know, the whole
thing about him wanting to rollback the African American
museum and some of the and he didn't like the way that that

(48:05):
they were being, you know, we were portrayed in it in in
there. Basically, he wanted, he wanted
us to be less activists, you know, and.
I want to bring this up because this is something I noticed too
that I want to talk to you about.
Because of his influence, companies are retroactively

(48:28):
erasing us from things to appease him.
I'll give a good example. I was talking, I was, I was
saying this before a couple months back and people didn't
get it or they didn't understandor they chose not to get to
understand it. This was the first year that WWE
did not acknowledge Black History Month at all.

(48:52):
Like, period. And I know it seems like a small
thing to some people, but say what you want to.
By Vince McMahon, piece of shit.Yeah, yeah, yeah.
We get it. They.
He always acknowledged Black History Month.
He's been on record saying multiple times that Doctor King
is one of his favorite people. He looks up to Doctor King and

(49:13):
stuff like that. He's big on that type of stuff.
And for them not to acknowledge Black History Month, it's kind
of a big deal. Yeah.
I could kind of see it a little bit because correct me if I'm
wrong, but they're owned by TKO,which also runs it.
All right. UFC, yeah, and the UFC, and I'm

(49:34):
not sure if this is happening with TKO, but I'm assuming it
also. They've been snuggled up really
closely to the current administration to the point
where your boy, he'd be showing up into the fights.
That's the one in Miami. He was definitely the one in
Miami. And also talk about this, and I
was talking about this because Iwatch wrestling that WBE has

(49:56):
gone a lot more concert blatantly conservative than they
have in previous years. Like they have almost
conservative celebrities. They had a roast that was hosted
by what's the guy named? Everybody who?
Said the wild stuff. What the?
Fuck is that who said the wild stuff about Mexicans?

(50:16):
Yeah, yeah, yeah. At the Tony inauguration, yeah,
because he has a, a special Netflix and it is fucking
terrible. Like, Jesus Christ, no, I
wouldn't watch it. I wouldn't watch it anyway.
But I like to go on Reddit and see people's opinion of things
because, you know, white folks, white folks do things through a
different lens. And they were like, Nah, bro,

(50:40):
Nah. I mean, you know, typically
conservatives aren't funny anyway because they don't
there's like a nuance. This is what I'm talking about
when I talk about when we mentioned the horror and and and
comedy are similar because it takes understanding of people
and like the world that you're in and conservatives are like
cats and live in them. They live in this bubble that
doesn't it doesn't affect them and let's affect them directly

(51:01):
and don't understand the world around them and how things
connected to each other. It's like.
Yeah, it it always when I see people like him and they're
like, oh, it's just jokes, it's just comedy, but like, where's
the funny? Like, you know, like.
That's always in big to me. You can say jokes about people.

(51:22):
This is one of the reason why I didn't like, I didn't.
I didn't like Dave Chappelle andhis joke about his trans friend.
I was like 1. It feels like you were punching
down at this, at this, at this lady.
But #2 the shit wasn't funny. Like if you're going to dog out
somebody that it better be hilarious.
All the time. They better slap.
If you're going to say somethingoffensive, it better be so funny

(51:45):
that I forget that it's offensive.
Right, right. And if it's not like bro, we're
going to, we're going to get after you, we're going to get
after you. And then you're going to ask
you, you're going to say, well, we can't say anything.
Are people too sensitive? No, people have always been this
way. Your joke just sucks.
Yeah, I think that's one thing that people kind of, it's funny
because it feels like there's been a shift in culture because

(52:11):
the, let's say, the first four years of Trump, there was this
whole thing about cancel cultureand people can't say what they
want to say and stuff like that.And now where we at now, people
are just saying whatever the fuck they want to say and it's
like it is going like too far over to the opposite side of
that. Yeah, and that there's no

(52:34):
consequences for anything because, like, what?
What? That's that's for Trump.
But everybody feels like if you have voted for Trump, that by
proxy I get those same standards.
And so now I can say whatever I want to say.
Like, Nah, bro, you're not the president.
You're going to get fucked up. And it's like people feel like
they can see what they want to say with no consequences.

(52:55):
I think that's the thing that's crazy about it, because they're
like, no, that's not how that works.
People can still slap the shit out of you.
Yeah, like like old dude that went in that bar and was said
the said the N word, said *** Well, I don't say the N word.
And then they beat them up. They shift them naked and beat
them up. Hey bro, that's what you get.

(53:18):
I don't know why you thought this was sweet.
Like what did you think was going to happen?
You came in here, then we was going to all sing Kumbaya
together and laugh. Like no, you got smash.
It's rightfully so. Yeah.
Rightfully so. Yeah, man, it's just, it's just,
it's just weird that we're in this time where people feel
ingratiated to say these things to us.

(53:39):
I don't know. I don't know where they got
those ideas from. I don't know what made them
think if that was ever going to be OK or anybody was going to be
OK with that. But though the history of that
no if you if you if you knew better.
Yeah, it's almost like people forget the history of that word
and they want to be like, oh, it's not the hard arm.

(54:01):
So like, no, doesn't quite work like that.
Yeah, it does. It doesn't quite work like that.
And people are going to they going to get after you.
It will get after you. So let me ask you this because
you, like I said, you do history, you do a lot of history
stuff. You've seen you talked about
stuff on your podcast that relates to today's climate.

(54:23):
So what is that like for you? Seeing America kind of repeat
the sins of the past. Man, lot of stuff it's, it's
funny because a lot of stuff yousee it and you try to point it
out to people and they're like, oh, no, it's not that way.
It's, it's, it's, it's really hard to like say things and

(54:44):
like, yo, this is, this is a problem or these are things,
these are things that we've seenbefore and they're like, Nah,
this is this, this, this, this and this.
OK, OK, I, it, it, it, it, on one hand, it feels a bit
helpless because you see things,but you can't really do anything

(55:04):
about, about it. You know, like I remember when I
was talking about to people about, you know, just school
vouchers and how school voucherswere rooted in and white
supremacy. And they were used by by to
circuit, circuit integration, the circuit immigration
integration. And they would close down public

(55:27):
schools and then funnel those funds into school vouchers that
send kids to private school. And they just would not black
kids left out in the cold. They didn't have anywhere, they
didn't have anywhere to go. And you kind of see that, kind
of see that now with, you know, that's why you close the
Department of Education because you, you want to get rid of, you

(55:47):
know, discrimination, oversight and things and start funneling
money into private school and create this air of, of
segregation without, without saying the word, you know,
because you got schools that private schools and charter
schools, they can admit who theywant to admit.
And then everybody else just gets cast over to this

(56:08):
underfunded public school. You know, if you want to teach
what you want, teach what you want at your school, but you
shouldn't get public funds to doit.
And that that's the sort of world where you're like, hey,
don't you see this? And this before Trump, he just
made it worse. You like, you guys don't see
this. You don't see what's happening
here. And it's like, no one cares.

(56:30):
No one cares about your thoughts.
And that's kind of the thing that's scary about everything.
Everybody sees these things going on and like, well, we
don't care. We see laws being broken, like
blatantly in our face and peoplejust doing what they want to do
and like, we don't care. And that's what I have a problem
with. No one cares what you think,

(56:50):
Mike. You're watching like democracy
slip out of our heads, Like, oh,whatever.
Right, right. And then, you know, you just
actively signed up for it like it's cool, it's not a problem,
It is OK. So let let me ask you about
this. As we see these things go on,

(57:16):
what do you think we could do aspeople to make things the least
better for ourselves, if no lessnot the community?
Pretty. Much fucked but.
I mean, I, I feel like you need to stay on your public
officials. You need to, you need to just
bug a shit out of them, make youneed to make their lives very
uncomfortable. Like, hey, they could do things
like, you know, vote for Trump'sbeautiful dumb ass bill, but you

(57:41):
need to stay on their neck. They need to know, like you need
to call Tom Tillis, that's my senator and let him know he's a
fucking bitch. Like, like, even if his
voicemail is full, leave a voicemail, Talk to his
assistant. You may not talk, you probably
won't talk to him, but they needto know, like I phoned him to
ring off the hook. It need to be difficult.
It need to suck you to show up to their houses and show up and

(58:02):
like it, it got to be embarrassing.
Like you can't, it can't be sweet.
I don't want you to start nobody, but you got to make it
be so like, bro, you can't be everywhere I am.
I can't go to the grocery store.Exactly.
This is what this is. On the flip side of that, man,
you need to find joy, joy. And This is why I like going to
the movies and seeing the centers.

(58:22):
I enjoyed that because it gives me some joy and I'm going to go
go see the Fantastic Four and I'm just going to be some joy
and I I want it. I've been wafting on the
thunderbolts. I don't know.
I might. I don't.
Maybe. I enjoyed it.
I enjoyed it. I enjoyed it, was pretty good
movie. Did you really?
I heard, I heard a good thing. I heard people say that it was

(58:43):
pretty good. But also I was kind of like,
maybe, maybe I do like Century. I like the idea of century.
You know, I I haven't watched it, so don't spoil it for me,
but I when I saw the movie, I was like, this looks like
Suicide Squad kills the Justice League.

(59:06):
You know, this is I'm getting these vibes from you and I don't
see how any of you guys, you know, whether it's a century or
the void, whether or not either when you can't.
I don't think none of you *** could stop this dude at any like
at at just base power level. You have no chance stopping him.
So what are we doing? What are you trying to do here?
What is your vision? This is kind of why I want to go

(59:28):
see it, but also like I I, I don't understand.
Hey man, you better call in the Hulk or something.
It's it's more Guardians of the Galaxy than in the Suicide
Squad, I'll say that. OK, OK, OK.
OK. I'll take that.
I'll take that without without James Gunn.
So since you brought it up, let's let's talk about it.

(59:50):
Man, this movie sent us man, it kind of lit the world on
fireman. And you know, I remember the the
conversation around it when we what happened?
Like, oh. There was this news article.
Who was that article? Thomas Savo.
It did good his first week, but it has to make this much to be
profitable and all this stuff and.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. That was Atlantic, something

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like that, yeah. And it blew past everybody's
expectations and amazing movies.And what I want to talk to you
about was how when you did your podcast about a YouTube video
about it, you talked about the history of it and the
significance of it and the importance of.
So let's Del delve into that a little bit.
Give me a abridged thoughts on this movie.

(01:00:34):
Oh, wow, So sentence is great. It is.
It is such a fun movie because it's not just, you know, a
vampire flick, but it's it's like heavily rooted in the black
experience. And you could tell that he had
done a lot of his of research. I'll talk about this a little
bit, but you can really tell because the timelines match up.

(01:00:57):
I'm, I'm a big person on like dates and times.
And when someone does a period piece and they say, oh, this is
1932. I'm like, well, why did you
choose 1932? What's the significant about
this date? And you can tell that he had
done his time, his, his history on why 193332 was a good time.

(01:01:18):
Because, you know, for reference, when I watch life,
I'm like, life is too late. Like this should have been in
the 20s. It should have been about 10
years earlier because they're bootlegging and they're
bootlegging at a time when prohibition was about to be
over. And, and, and in the height of
the hollow Renaissance, rememberhe was talking about, he went to

(01:01:40):
the boom, boom room. That was over in the boom boom
room because as soon as prohibition happens, white folks
went back to their corner. They only came to Harlem to hang
out with you because you had thejazz and the booze.
Soon as you lose the booze, the booze, it's not coming.
Now, granted, he was in prison and he wouldn't have known what
was going on outside, like really connected to that.

(01:02:01):
But that doesn't that wouldn't jive.
It wouldn't jive with the time period that you were imprisoned.
So when you watch Sinners and hetalks about how, hey, I went to
Chicago, I went Chicago and thencame and then I came back home,
you know, because they did something.
They didn't really allude to it very much, but they talked.
Talker did something they some kind of heist, you know?

(01:02:25):
They screwed over them. Essentially they screwed over
both the mobs. They they screwed over both the
mobs and then robbed them and then left.
You know, This is why he has Irish whiskey and sometimes I
was Irish beer and some type of Italian whiskey or something
like that. He had booze from both groups

(01:02:48):
once again, which also kind of didn't make sense because given
that Prohibition was almost over.
But whatever that time period was right at the hot heat of the
Great Migration when he left, hewould have left on the Illinois
Central Railroad, which had a depot that they went to that
depot that they met that the wagger at they was and and Delta

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Slim. The Illinois Central Railroad
would have taken you all the wayfrom Clarksdale to Chicago.
This is exactly the railroad they would like.
You could tell he was like he got it.
Clarksdale, Mississippi was the one of the birth places of the

(01:03:32):
Blues. You know, matter of fact, the
crossroads where Robert Robert Johnson, who allegedly sold his
soul to the devil. Yes.
Happened in Clarksdale. The the the Crossroads is in
Clarksdale, Mississippi. Now granted, it's a tourist
destination. It's not a real place.
You can't sell your soul at the corner of, you know, Hwy. 49 and

(01:03:56):
Hwy. 61. But like it that that it does
exist that that place exists is why he chose Clark that
Mississippi because it's heavy with is a birth place of the
Blues. And also it's a place where
Robert Johnson allegedly sold his soul for the ability to play
the Blues. So like this is a lot of just
heavy. AII understand this place.

(01:04:17):
I'm like because I once again when I watched it, I'm like why
Clarksdale? What's important?
What's significant about about these places?
You know, and then another piecethat was super interesting to me
is the sharecropping, because that would have been big at the
time, because that was during, during the Great Depression.

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So even if you had left the plantation, even if you were
like, yo, I'm not, I do this, this is and this the great, the
Great Depression had for black people had an unemployment rate
of 50%. You might have been driven back
onto the, onto the plantation tostart sharecropping because you
didn't have any other, any otherresources.

(01:05:01):
And I don't know if you noticed,but everybody, everybody in
Clark there, which was a huge hub for sharecropping at that
particular time. You know, everybody in that
movie was a sharecropper other than.
Yeah. Maybe the pastor and smoke and I

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can't read his name. Smoke and stack.
Stack. Yeah, them the only ones Fr is
color, people of color, everybody else, everybody else
worked on it, worked on the plantation.
You know, that stuff, that sort of stuff that that attention to
detail, that stuff is that stuffis wonderful.
I loved it. So for those who don't know the

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historical value of that, because people don't, I don't
think because I was explaining that to my mom, that how, you
know, people, they got out of slavery and then they had
nowhere to go. So they end up having to work
back at the same place. They were like slaves.
Act. Even even if you pleased about
the mud, the way where we got Jim Crow laws from is because

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those southern planets, those southern planets of course had a
couple issues. Southern planets had one, they
had lost either a their land or B, most of the value that they
had, you know, most of their wealth because most of their
wealth was tied up into human labor, human assets, right?

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And two, while they will call planters, they didn't actually
know how to plant shit. The knowledge was in your human,
the human labor, your human assets.
So even if I wanted to start planning by myself, I have no
idea what I'm doing. So I needed a way to get to get
people back on the plantation for cheap, for cheap.

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And this is where you get Jim Crow laws and and vagrancy laws
and chain gangs and all these different things that were done
to black people eventually sharecropping to push them back
onto the plantation. They eventually used to call,
and I don't think they say this in the movie, but they used to
call sharecropping slavery by another name.
That's basically what it was. It was instead of you being

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physically in chains, you were in, you were, it was debt
servitude. You were put in a place where
you constantly had a rotating set of debt that you were never
going to get out of, and so you were beholden to him forever and
ever and ever. Yes, not a good time.
Let me let me ask you this because there was there was

(01:07:37):
several parts about who we couldtalk about.
I don't want to get too much. Oh, might forget a little bit of
spoilers, but Delta Slim tells astory about his friend being
murdered and robbed. And I think one of the things I
think when I watch a movie, I think a lot of things that
caught people off guard is the cutting off of a black man's

(01:08:00):
member. Yeah.
How prevalent was this in actualblack history?
Wow, So the thing about lynchings is that lynchings were
jovial, almost carnival like affairs where people were

(01:08:22):
excited. I don't know if you watch some
of the the pictures that they post sometimes, but those people
look positively excited. It was a carnival like
atmosphere around, you know, lynchings during that time.
And and honestly, they were sometimes lynch white people.
Like that's not it wasn't unheard of.
Matter of fact, before, before Reconstruction, they lynch more

(01:08:47):
white people than they did blackpeople.
That was wow, that's really, it was a white crime, a white
punishment. Anyway, what ended up happening
was when they would lynch you, people wanted souvenirs of that
they were here. So what would happen if they
would take pieces of the body and they would sometime and

(01:09:09):
depending on how mad they were based on what you did, sometimes
they would mutilate their bodiesthemselves.
That's their stories of this. This black couple is man and
woman who were who Will Lynch and they cut and the lady was
pregnant. They cut the baby out like that.
That's not unheard of for them, depending on how they were
feeling that particular day to mutilate the body.

(01:09:33):
But also people known to take souvenirs.
What's his name? Not John Brown, the other dude,
the black guy. Birth of a Nation.
What's that movie? Oh, that was what is his name?

(01:09:55):
Nat Nat Turner, Yeah. Nat Turner tried to launch a
slavery vault. And when he was caught, he was,
he was lynched. He was executed and they chopped
his body up into pieces. And he is still reportedly to
parts of his body are still in houses in Virginia where he was

(01:10:17):
where he was killed. Like they somebody this place
over here got an ear. This place has a toe.
Some people have fingers. This was like keeping souvenirs
from black people after lynchingthem was a thing.
And when you couple, I hate you so bad that I'm willing to cut
the baby out of your pregnant wife's body with.

(01:10:39):
I also like to cut souvenirs. I also like to keep souvenirs.
Let me cut off your member, all of you remember in Django, a
little piece in Django at the end where he's hanging upside
down and Samuel Jackson cuts comes in there and it was like
we were trying to decide what we're going to do with you.
And every single one of their every single thing they had idea

(01:11:01):
they had was something to do with your you're cutting off
your balls every single idea they had.
So that kind of what you get, it's kind of ideas that they had
that's I wouldn't say was every every time, but but it was
pretty prevalent. They like souvenirs.
I don't know why you want that souvenir, but yeah.

(01:11:22):
That's such a weird thing that'sin black history of how the men.
Were they used to there? Was there rumors of them having
skinning black people and makingmaking shoes out of them?
So what's off limits, right? That's wild.
And it's so wild that those stories can be told like in in

(01:11:44):
history, like these are things that have been documented like.
A lot of that stuff you don't, it's hard to tie down because
nobody writes down like, hey, I got some, some *** shoes like
that. Nobody says that, you know, or
like this, you know, stories of bug breaking where they used to
like rape, like the biggest guy you know.
You don't. There are no documented cases.

(01:12:07):
It's just second hand knowledge.It doesn't mean it didn't
happen. It's just I can't prove it
happened, you know, or even likethe stories of black people
couldn't buy vanilla ice cream. Like I I can't find anything to
say definitively that this was the thing that happened, but
also I can't say that it didn't happen either.

(01:12:28):
That's that's wild. There was a a part that they
said black people couldn't buy vanilla ice cream.
Yeah, they, they, they, Well, soduring segregation, like I don't
say that, but like during the height, we're talking about 30,
you know, the early 20th century, mid 20th century ice

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cream parlors were like where white people went to hang out
and you weren't, it was segregated.
You really weren't allowed. And if you could buy from them,
you had to buy in the back. And some of those places had
rules that said that you couldn't purchase vanilla ice
cream. And also like Jim Crow came in
two flavors. Jim Crow came in like laws, laws

(01:13:10):
that said black people can't do X.
But it also such thing as Jim Crow etiquette.
And Jim Crow etiquette was like,like things like you couldn't
shake the hand of a white woman.You know what I'm saying?
If a white couple was walking toyour way, you had to cross the
street. If you were in a restaurant with

(01:13:31):
another white, with another white couple or another white
person, they're all you had to let them eat first before you
started to eat. You know, all these little thing
that you just had to be aware ofthat if you failed at that at
any given time, you could be beaten or even killed and no one
would give a shit. So it's very possible that
vanilla ice cream was in that list of things.

(01:13:55):
Like in a world where I had to cross the street or I couldn't
shake the hand of a of a white man, what's not eating vanilla
ice cream? That feels like that's right up
on the list of things. Yeah, it's, it's so fascinating.
Yeah. How far we've come, but yet how
far we have to go. Yeah, we we telling, we telling.

(01:14:16):
Like when you say you want to goback to when America's great
again. At at least during that time,
our leaders cared about white people.
You don't even care about them. I mean, yeah, you pretend you
like you hate us, but you don't like them either.
You hate them also. So what we doing that?
Part that people kind of neglect.

(01:14:38):
Yeah. You know, you know, just just
kind of like I whenever I think about Trump, I think about like
the North Carolina coup. We had a coup here out here at
Wilmington in like 19 O 9 aroundaround all that time.
And it started because one of the one of the people who was

(01:15:00):
running for like governor or oneof that, the positions in
government here in North Carolina decided he was going to
run primarily on white supremacy.
His policy wasn't good enough, but he knew that if he could
connect, if he could run just ona fucking *** like that's
basically his policies and he could win.

(01:15:22):
And that still holds true today.Like like if if you can, if you
can connect people for via racism, they give you anything,
they'll let you rob them their own pockets for you.
It is wild, but that is kind of accurate, unfortunately.
Yeah. That long as some people feel
like they have more than us, yeah, OK, We're giving up their

(01:15:45):
freedoms. They give you OK, we give it up.
Anything. Keep all the money in their
pocket and give their freedoms freedoms for it.
Yeah. Anyway.
So let let me ask you this, Mike, go on for a while.
Let me ask you this. Guess one last thing.
You've been, you're doing all this stuff about Black history

(01:16:07):
and the importance of Black history.
And as you're doing this, we're watching history could be erased
from our schools, could be erased from our colleges, not
only just elementary schools, your high school, high schools,
colleges be erased from actual like historical places, whether

(01:16:32):
it's museums, like the Library of Congress.
So let me ask you this. How important do you feel like
your podcast is now knowing these facts?
I thought, you know, and I always felt like it was
important, but I just feel like it's more important than ever

(01:16:52):
because I mean, not just the stuff, our stuff being a race,
but social media has created a climate where people feel
comfortable embellishing our history or not telling, not
telling us our stories in the truthful, in the truthful

(01:17:13):
manner. And that's something that I
always strive against is like a bro, if you're not going to get
nothing for me, I'm never going to shoot a coat anybody.
I'm never going to paint somebody as as a hero if they
weren't or I want I want people to seem to be human so that when
you look at them, you could think not only do I see myself

(01:17:35):
in them, but what they achieved was doable.
You look at Martin Luther King, like a lot of times he gets
metallicized and I need you to understand Martin Luther King
was a person. He was a person just like you to
put his pants on one leg at a time and that he was just that
amazing. His ability to to rally people
behind A cause and Malcolm X thesame way.

(01:17:56):
So it's super important for us to tell our stories truthfully,
but but you know, we need to be very loud and proud with those
with those stories also. And it's, and it's also really
important to connect our storiesto the greater, greater American
history as a whole. You know, we want everybody to
see themselves a bit in in blackhistory.

(01:18:18):
I'm trying my best to to, to tiein, you know, white allies into
these stories, even though they never, it never really works
out. It's always like a caveat to
that shit. I always end up being a A Yeah,
but. Well, let me give you this final
question to kind of to add on tothat.
This is a good final question for you.

(01:18:39):
If there's one figure in black history that you feel like white
people shouldn't know about, whois that person?
John Brown, absolutely. John Brown, like like John Brown
was, he has a great story. John Brown was an abolitionist,

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but he was a violent abolitionist.
You know, when they were trying to defy whether or not Kansas
was going to be a slave state ora Free State.
He was in that cracking heads and shooting people and kill
like 5 people. And if you don't.
So what ended up happening is hewent to try to start a slavery
vault and ended up at a Armory because he was going to give

(01:19:21):
them guns and got caught and gotcaught and lynched and and yet
his actions accelerated because this happened in fuck.
Civil war started in 61. I think it's happened like

(01:19:43):
18591860, like not long before the start of the civil war and
it accelerated civil war, which ultimately ended up freeing,
freeing black people. You know what I'm saying?
So he wanted to start a slave revolt that ultimately would
lead to, you know, the abolishment of slavery and an
uprising. But what he got was an uprising
and ultimately what he, what he did accelerated that and he got

(01:20:06):
what he wanted. He was basically a martyr for
the cause. And and and when I tell people
when I saw somebody say put on ashirt that don't don't argue
with people that John Brown witha shot, which is like chef kiss,
but also. My big thing is when you talk
about being an ally, you need tosee yourself and John Brown when

(01:20:28):
you want to know what to be an ally means when you want to know
to give in your life for A causeof someone else's cause and you
want to help. Like I don't expect you to die
for this, but I expect you to understand what this means that
John Brown was ready. He he was in it, he was in it.
He understood our plight and he was ready to die for that shit.
And that's important. That's if it's important to me,
like everybody wants, you know, playing, they want to be an

(01:20:50):
ally. But that's but their ally ship
is conditional. It comes with it comes with
like, yeah, butts or maybe you should be like this.
Maybe if you were, you know, maybe if you didn't dress this
way. But no, I need I need you to be
in it. I need you to be in it and and
to understand us and understand that most of the reason that
black people are the way that they are is because of white

(01:21:11):
supremacy. If you want to act like, you
know, you want to talk about theplight and how you know why
black people are mostly in jail and jail that gets into jail a
lot. You created a society where
where crime felt like a, a, a way out from poverty.
You know, I do you think people will want to sell drugs?

(01:21:32):
They don't want to sell drugs. I, I, I would, I would like to
go to school, but that's not, that's not where the option
where I'm from. Like how many times you heard
biggie sided. You know, where I'm from, you
either had a wicked jump shot oryou sell crack rot.
Like that's about that's that was that was it.
So yeah. John Brown.

(01:21:52):
Perfect. I think that's the perfect way
to end this episode, brother. Let them know to find you at.
Wow, wow, wow. You can find me at 1 mic
history. I have it.
I have Instagram and a TikTok and I'm I'm pretty popular.
I mean I'm pretty active on threads at 1 mic 1 mic history.
You can also find my podcast at 1 mic history.com.

(01:22:13):
I have a YouTube channel, which is probably my you know, magnum
opus and I I publish videos every other week.
It's dope. I also knew now I have a
substack where I write things. So if you want to check me out
on Substack, you can also find me one mic history.
I think it's dope there. You go.
I think it's dope. I feel like Substack is probably
the, it's probably the future of, of monetizable, monetizable

(01:22:37):
content. And so I've been heavily
invested in it because I think Ican make, I think I can make
money from it. I got to make money from it.
Like that idea? So yeah, we're going to see,
we'll see all. Right, Thank you guys for
listening. As always, Delva Cox Spirits, we
are out. Peace.
Peace.