The Delvin Cox Experience Episode 398 The Legacy and Controversy of Hulk Hogan

This week, my guest is BRob of the 3R show, and we are discussing the Legacy of him and why he has been so controversial. Yes, we discussed the incident in great detail and how it influenced how we felt.

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Thank you. Oh no.

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To the Devin Cox experience, thepodcast, which each week I'm on
a one man mission to United Coast, to diversity.
I'm your host, Devin Cox and Whitman on the podcast is a long
time friend, a podcasting legend, I would say, and I don't
throw that term run off, but it is it's accurate with this man.

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This man has been doing podcastsfor a long time and people,
everybody knows, and he's the guy that everybody knows in
podcasting. My boy, my brother B Rob.
How you doing, bro? I am a low key legend, as Natty
Neidhart would say, yeah. Must like natty at nighthart.
You're under appreciated. Yeah.
I mean, I, I would say so. I would say so for those who may

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have heard the name B Rob before, I am the host of the
Randall Rams with Rob podcast, which has been on somewhat of a
long ass hiatus. But even though that show isn't
going on regularly, I have been podcasting consistently since
2016 and I have never stopped. I just haven't been doing that
show. So I'm, I'm, I'm around and you

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know, you hear me here on the Devil Cox experience or
whatever, which you should all be subscribe to the Patreon.
So go to patreon.com/dell. I don't know.
I auto pay on it, so I don't remember what it is.
Yeah. There you go.
There you go. So put, put your dial in, put $5
in or more, whatever. I mean, every little bit helps.
Cause for those of you are just spectators in the podcast, in

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realm or whatever, any amount ofsupport, whether it's likes,
follow, subscribes, monetary donations, they help greatly.
And I would appreciate it if youhook my hook my man's up.
Thank you. Brother and sometimes they give
away free movies. It's also pretty cool.
Oh, you do. What should I free movies?
I'm going to give away movies toyou so you can give away movies.

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So because I got a whole stack in here.
Oh yeah, I got AI, got quite a few because I I still buy.
I still buy Blu rays. I love having me too.
Let's talk about that. Yeah, I have like a whole
collection. What was the last Blu-ray you
bought? Oh shit.
I won't say novocaine, but I do have that.

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I don't have that one yet. I got novocaine, I got the
monkey. Fuck, I just put it on the shelf
the other day and I forgot, fucking forgot what it was
already. The Thunderbolts comes tomorrow.
Oh yeah, I'm getting that. So I got that one.
So that comes. There you go.
Look at all this movie or something.

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You got the the flexi, I'm aboutthe holiday cheese.
Yeah, but like it, it's just what it is.
It's kind of like a routine. You know every Tuesday they drop
new movies at Walmart or whatever.
I'm there either before work or after work.
I I get the new shit or something that might pique my
interest 'cause you know, Walmart like to drop those like
bundle packs and shit. You know a movie have a series

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of like 3 or more films, they just throw them all in one pack.
I just. Grab them bitches.
Fortnite, MA LL shit just like that.
I hate those. You know why?
Because I didn't took the time and effort to collect 1234 and
five and then the 6th movie comeout and there's like, all right,
we're going to put all six of them in one bundle pack.
I said bitch, I just bought all these other ones and now you're

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going to drop the six pack, you son of a bitch.
What I hate is when they do that, they have the bundle pack
and then you buy the bundle pack.
Then they're like, oh, we have asteel book edition of this now.
Like motherfucker. All right, so I, I have a
question about your, your movie collecting etiquette.
So I know, you know, technology advances, Ford or whatever.

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We we know we're from VHS and I era to DVD now we got Blu-ray
and 4K videos and stuff and for physical media.
So if there's anything that you enjoy or that you have in your
collection, like on DVD still, that you feel like I need to get
this in 4K. Yeah, and stuff like that.

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All right, now, if you do upgrade a movie to like 4K or
Blu-ray or something like that, do you keep the original, like
the DVD copy or whatever? Yeah, for the most part.
So you got like double s and duplicates and shit like that?
Yeah, I. Definitely do I have I want to
know. I have bought that.
I'm about to say something crazy.
I have about 8 copies of Transformers the movie, The 86th

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1. Oh fuck.
Oh alright alright alright so I I get that because they released
different editions so I can I understand that.
Originally there weren't no editions.
Yeah, for real. So when the DVD came out, I
bought the DVD and then they hadlike a special edition Blu-ray
that came out a long time ago that that didn't even get

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released here. Yeah.
And I ordered that. Yeah.
So I kind of understand stuff like that, but like for me
personally or whatever, if I getif I have a DVD that I upgrade
to Blu-ray or even 4 Ki get rid of that DVDI.
Don't have no way to give it to.You, I know that's a, that's
another one. So like, so 'cause I went to a

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pawn shop just to get rid of them.
And sometimes 'cause like I'm a bargain hunter when it comes to
physical media or whatever. So I go to pawn shops because
I've walked out of a pawn shop with 10 DVDs for under 10 bucks,
you know, 'cause I mean they sell them dirt cheap cause
hardly nobody buys physical media before.
So that the pawn shop is a good place to score movies.

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So a lot of the times I would get a, a massive pile that I've
upgraded or whatever. So I got all these discs and
everything. I will go to the pawn shop and
be like, I'll give you these forsome of those that I don't.
Or I go to a resale store like agame exchange or some shit like
that, whatever 'cause they have still have physical media.
They'll give you like 1/4 of movie or something like that or

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whatever. But the hell, I'm using it for
store credit so I can get more movies.
That's a good idea actually. I never thought about that.
Or if you have a place in your area called like Half Price
Books or something like that. I know that they got them around
here and in Georgia and stuff like that.
Take them there because they they sell secondhand movies and
books and comics and all kinds of stuff like that.

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It's a really good idea, I mightjust do that.
Yeah. As always, like, start the
podcast off with the 55. Oh shit.
Five questions, 5 minutes to getthe ball on the B Rob, but you
ready? You fucking right all.
Right, first question. It's going to be a funny one.
Who do you think will release a new episode first?
Oh. The Rand.

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The Ramblers of Broad Podcast orthe Po Boys podcast?
Me 'cause I'm as soon as we get off a recording episode, yeah,
God damn. Jodie B.
Jodie B. Oh, correction, that
motherfucker. Jodie B.

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Yeah, I, I, I don't know, man, Ilike, I talked to you about this
briefly or whatever through textand shit.
It's like, I enjoy doing the random rims with Rob, but like,
I kind of felt like I lost my momentum since I took so long of
a hiatus and everything And justto get back into that rhythm.
Like I, I know, you know, like scheduling, I guess every week

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or trying to record batch recordings and everything.
Or if you got other projects, you got to do that and do those
other things and make time for all the other bullshit and yada,
yada, yada. So I kind of look at it as like,
I'm taking one stressor off the plate so I can just kind of
focus on the other things. Because like I said, I do two

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other pro pro wrestling podcasts, one for Japan and one
for, you know, like America and,you know, the surrounding things
and whatnot. And then we do bonus content for
the Patreon and shit, yeah. So it's just like.
Like I am with PSPG, like I havemy my podcast and I have a whole
other podcast network that I'm abig part of.
So I'll do all stuff for them and it's like.

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It shows they just like, oh, that delving guy.
He, he, he likes this stuff. Put him in it just just because.
Exactly. And then I get call the like Who
Will Win show and stuff like that, Like oh.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Which which that's not a, not a
bad thing. I, I, I, I like opportunities
like that and everything just tokind of get out of your own

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little bubble and everything andjust kind of like touch new ears
and everything. Definitely, definitely, yeah.
But me, I'll, I'll, I'll do it first.
Question #2 One Piece is the longest running an anime.

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Simpsons is the longest running cartoon in America.
I'm correct on that if I remember correctly.
I believe you are all. Right.
Which one do you think will end first?
Simpsons. I ain't even hesitating on that.
So you think The Simpsons end before One Piece?
Yeah, I think The Simpsons will end before One Piece I I think

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the lady do do. The voice for March is dead
right? I think she's still alive.
I thought I thought I'd see some, right?
I think she's still. I think no.
I think they killed Marge in theepisode.
Oh yeah, that shows that's that's on this last legs baby.
You killing main characters for that?
They killed. Like they, I didn't watch them.
So yeah, people say it was a pretty good episode.

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They did like a flash forward and the flash forward they
killed Marge. Yeah, and and that's what I'm
saying. It's just like I'm so far
detached from it or whatever. It just like to hear you say
that I'm. I thought the real life person
died. Yeah, but I 'cause like, you got

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to think so. The anime, I mean, not the
anime. The manga of One Piece is
currently ongoing right now. I mean, I, I know they took a
little bit of a hiatus. They're.
Still going. Yes, the the the, the manga is
still going on manga or however you pronounce it.
I, I apologize if you're offending anybody, but it's

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still going currently. I know they took a hiatus, but I
haven't checked back in on it orwhatever.
Maybe about a year. Or two ago.
I've I've read all the way up tocurrent you read.
All of that to current. Yes, I read 1000 and fucking 80
chapters of One Piece. How long did it take you to do

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that? I started in November or No, I
started in December and I finished around February.
Jeez, and that was like working 12 hours and fucking having a
life and doing podcasts and shit.
And I still fit that in there. I'm at My goal was to read 100

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chapters a week, so 100. Chapters a week.
Yeah, so I would lay in bed every night and just read
fucking one piece and it and it's like, I think it's easier
because it is like a graphic novel, like a a visual medium or
whatever. So it's like, even though if you
not really get in the, the context of the words and

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everything, you have visuals there to kind of like, you know,
fill in the gaps. And then like, sometimes, I
mean, what, what you, it's a essentially a comic book.
So sometimes you have pages and panels where there is no
dialogue. So it's just like, oh, that's a
cool picture. That's a cool picture.
Then you just move on to the next thing.
But I, I, I thoroughly enjoy OnePiece.

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I, like I said, I read all the way up to current.
I burnt myself out. I, I stepped away from it and I,
I started reading Chainsaw man and then that came they, they
put that on Hulu as an anime. Then I watched all the Chainsaw
Man and then I went back in the One Piece anime and I watched

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all the significant events that I read about in the manga
instead of watching all thousands of anime shit.
But that's what I'm saying. The manga is still going on from
what what I I understand and theanime is keep trying to keep up
or catch up to the manga. So as long as the manga gets

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farther enough out there, they're going to keep animating
it. That is kind of crazy and I was
correct. The Simpsons is the longest
running US cartoon. Yeah, so I mean, I love One
Piece so much that I got One Piece tattoo.
That is dope. Let's see, from 1989 to now, The

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Simpsons has been running. I remember the first episode.
I do too. It was weird as fuck.
Very weird. As I eat ice cream on kitten.
The Simpsons OH, OK, do you knowwhat the second what do I make

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this number? Question #3 question #3 Can you
guess what the second longest running cartoon show in the US
was? What is?
American dad? Nope.
This may surprise you too. It's not Family Guy, is it?

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Nope. Yeah, I, I kind of figured that
because they came way later and then they got cancelled.
They they found life again on Cartoon Network, Adult Swim, and
then they came back to Fox. Yeah, the Yeah the the second
longest running continuous cartoon series in the USI.
Don't fucking know. It's Arthur.

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It's oh shit, I didn't know thatwas still going.
To 25 seasons It it it just ended recently.
Arthur had 25. Seasons, Yeah.
So if you could. Oh, so South Park don't count?
How many? Well, it's just is how many
seasons is South Park? That's a good question.
See, we done went down the rabbit hole.

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Yeah, South Park is over 20. South Park, Yeah, 'cause I
remember South Park. Yeah, 'cause just seeing the the
advancements in their animation process.
South Park's on his 27th season.See.

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So I wonder why they didn't count.
SI guess maybe because it's not it wasn't consistent.
Yeah, maybe because. South Park, you know, South Park
comes up with South Park comes out.
Yeah, true. That's probably why Arthur was
like, every year Arthur, there'sa new Arthur coming out like.
Yeah, I wonder what the stipulation is.
And then it is like it's not true animation like The Simpsons

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and Arthur is. I mean, that's like, you know,
ink and paper type art to where?Like they were using fucking
construction paper and shit for South Park, you know?
Yeah, South Park is still going.It's crazy to think about.
Well, let me ask this question #4 we're going.
We're going to do this light. What is your favorite episode of
South Park? I can't recall so much of the

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episode but I know when the movie came out that changed a
lot of shit for me. The bigger, better and uncut
film that they released. I I remember watching South Park
up until the movie came out in like South Park.
Post that movie like it. It just went off the fucking

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rails. You know, The funny thing about
the movie is South Park always looked like really crude.
It still does to this day. Yeah, but when the movie came
out, it still looked really crude.
But they put like a high gloss on it.
So it looked like, oh, this one looks amazing.
Yeah, that was still looks like shit.

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Yeah, but like, that's what I'm saying, when they initially
started doing South Park, they were using construction paper
and everything to make the character models and whatnot.
And now, you know, we got all this technological advances or
whatever. They I think they CG that shit
or whatever. I don't know if they use the old
method, but like as far as them producing episodes, they do it

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week to week. It's not like they bank a whole
two seasons of episodes. Nah they doing current events
every fucking week on this show.In real time.
In real time. So Kanye.
Yeah. So Kanye slipped on a banana
peel. Yep.
It's going to be in South Park BET same week probably.
Or if people don't like our current president, it's going to

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be on South Park. Yeah, which I think they put out
an episode on that as that's. Why I mentioned it, Yeah, it's
getting well. I don't think the episode even
came out yet. I think it's the threat of the
episode. Yeah, the clips are coming out.
I think the episode leaked too. So this is what I'm saying to
Trey Parker and Matt Stone. I think that's the names.
If Trump is upset about your product, including him and

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whatnot, I think you should threaten him with the episodes
like he threatening people with the tariffs.
So maybe we can get some change.I say, hey, I'm a if we talk
about the Epstein files. I got the South Park JPEG files
right here too 'cause like from what I did see of the clips of
that episode over it, it looks like almost.

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It reminds me of the South Park movie to where like Satan and
Saddam. Yes, it does.
It looks exactly like that. Yeah, it's like they just took
the movie and just replaced Saddam for Trump, which would
make sense in this scenario 'cause they kind of feel like
the same person. Yeah, question #5 B, Rob, since

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it's going to be based off the top, we're here to talk about.
Oh boy. Give me your Mount Rushmore of
wrestlers. Fuck so damn this is going to be
hard. Automatically Stone Cold in The

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Rock, as soon as you say the best of or whatever from my
childhood or my just overall fandom of wrestling, it's going
to be Stone Cold The Rock and Shawn Michaels, those.
Are three great picks. That's three right off the bat.
So that fourth one is kind of tricky because I mean, nobody

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really screams at me right now for that fourth spot, but those
3 without a doubt, you know, no doubt in my mind for me
personally is my my top three, but that 4th 1 is is it's
random, it's flexible. So like I could say the
Undertaker. That's a good choice.

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I. Will say this.
I could say Bret Hart, but I enjoy showing over Brett.
Mount Rushmore doesn't really work for wrestling.
No, if you. Want to, if you want to be
honest, because there's so many different things that that
equate good wrestlings. Like some wrestlers are super

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talented in the ring, Some wrestlers are super talented on
the mic. And then you know, you also have
to add the fact that different companies like different
companies highlight different. Like for example look at W, you
can make a whole Mount Rushmore of just WCW wrestlers true or
TNA wrestlers for that matter true and it would be a valid
Mount Rushmore. I I actually want to do TNA

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right now so AJ Styles. There you go, I'll put some mojo
on there too. Yeah, true.
So yeah, AJ Styles, Samoa Joe, maybe Abyss, but I would also.
I think Abyss might be a really good choice that I think about
it. But I would also, you know, I
would, I could replace him with Christian, Christian.

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'S really good too. And a fourth art, I mean, I
probably can go with them for right there, this Christian
Samoa Joe and AJ Styles. I mean, and then we can't even
really like discount Kurt Angle's time there.
Angle, he might have been the best.
In. TNA.
Yeah, and like, I kind of had some issue with Kurt Angle when

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he came in or whatever, because like, I feel like they were
really getting behind some old Joe and like, pumping him up to
be like the leader of that company.
And then Kurt Angle came in and changed the whole fucking game.
You hit but that dude in the face and broke his nose.
Kurt Angle was dope in DNA. He was great.
And also I kind of kind of, I kind of want to say Scott

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Steiner. Scott Steiner was amazing in
DNA. Oh yeah, yeah, he's fat.
As people still talk about the promos he did at TNA to this
day. The fucking Main Event Mafia,
all that bullshit. Yeah, they're great.
Yeah, so I mean, even tag teams that, you know, that Motor City

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machine guns, freaking Elix Skipper, the fucking walk on the
cage to the Ultimate X. Yeah, for real.
I mean, just Ultimate X is a concept and everything, but I
know the concept. I know you can't put that on the
Rushmore, but like, yeah. Ultimate X is a really good
concept, like one of the best concepts I've heard for a

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wrestling match in a while. I mean, it was different, it was
out outside of the norm and then, you know, the counter to
that or whatever are I guess like the opposite of that would
be like the TLC matches and. Shit, I think the casino
gauntlet is. I like that.
It's really good. It's a really good modern one
that we haven't got, we haven't gotten.

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The only thing that I don't likeabout it is the aspect that like
the match can stop at any time. So like say, you know, we we're
going to advertise 21. You know, that's blackjack,
that's casino gambling stuff, right?
We advertise the 21 people that can come out for this thing, but
the match get in at any time. So you end the match at like 10
people whatever. So that's another fucking 11
people that never got to do shitor whatever and.

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I think that should be a storyline.
I think what should happen is I had two, two stinks.
I think should happen one the match should end it like 1.
Like it's just to me like like, so let's say the first two
people like MJF and who who the job who can go in there with MJ
FM, JF just immediately beats them.
And then we, we also had a conversation on our show as well

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to where we had a, one of our hosts had a scenario to where
the, it's like the Royal Rumble or whatever and you know, the
whole field is cleared. 28 and 29 are just like whatever last
two that are still in the ring, they're fighting or whatever and
they eliminate themselves before#30 comes out.

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That would be brilliant. So we we talked about that
scenario to see how that would work and like that would
probably be best for somebody like Chelsea Green or something
like that. That'd be really good.
That'd be really dope. I also had an idea for the
Casino gauntlet where which I think it would be a really cool
story for somebody like who would be good.

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I swear it would be good for somebody like Ricochet where
they get he's the last one called and as he's walking to
the ring. The match ends.
The match ends. It would be amazing.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. That that, that it is a good
wrinkle or whatever, but it is like, hopefully everybody got to
get in except for him. Yes, everybody gets in.

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He's the last one. Either him or it'd be funny if
it's Edge and he's doing his whole and stuff like that like
he does. Yeah, that would, that would be
perfect because damn, like somebody's in peril.
Let me do get my shit in, brother.
He's getting this shit in him and Jeff Hardy.

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I'm getting my fucking shit stumped in or whatever,
whatever. I'm waiting for some assistance,
some aid and you on the stage. Fucking come on man.
Save me. Like for real, if I was a
performer and I was faced with that scenario to where like, you
know, I'm beating the guy ass and then the music hitting, you

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know, they all the shock who's coming and then the motherfucker
start pandering and prancing around.
I'm going to keep beating the motherfucking ass until he show
up. I don't.
I I never get that wrestling trope of like they hear the
music and they just stop. Like no, keep fucking them up
until. 'Cause like, like a couple of
seconds, Yeah, 'cause like, if this is real life, I'm in a
blind rage. I'm blocking out all that shit.

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I ain't no theme music. I don't know nothing until
something about me. I'm like, yeah.
Get a couple more shots here, it's OK.
Yeah, it's OK. So I guess let's talk about this
topic because it's a important one because.
Is it them? Yeah, tell us based off of all

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the response to it. It's important to some people.
I think people, this I think is the most polarizing in terms of
deaths I've seen on social media, I want to say, since
Queen Elizabeth. I don't know if you remember

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that day. Kind of, I mean, it was kind of,
I guess it is I, I equate this to like the, the John Cena
chant. You like, you come out there.
Yeah, it was kind of the same thing with Queen Elizabeth.
When she died, there was a bunchof people say, oh, we we that
Rest of Peace Queen and stuff like that.
And there was a lot of people say, you know, fuck her.

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People like what? They were like that they were
like, that bitch sucked. Like then they thought about the
imperialism, like especially Democrats, especially like
Scottish people were talking about how the queen is all this
stuff, like whoa. Hold up player.
What happened? Like, it was such a fascinating
take on Twitter and just watching how people like how it

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devolved. And this is kind of the same
thing. And for those who don't know,
people who've been how they're going to rock, wrestling legend
Hulk Hogan passed away. Dead.
DED at what, 71? 71. 71 years old?
Well, let's start it first. Be right.
Was you a Hulk Hogan fan? Yes, so Hulk Hogan, as with many

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other wrestling fans, are probably of our age, or I mean,
I, I guess when you find wrestling, you find wrestling.
I guess there's really no age limit or whatever.
But like, during my youth, Hulk Hogan was the one that brought
me to professional wrestling. And I, I've told this story many
a times it and it, it was just, I guess, Terry Bollea witch who
brought me to wrestling because I saw Hogan first as an actor

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before I saw him as a wrestler. You know, I've heard a lot of
people say that exact same thing.
Yeah. You realize some people saw him
in Rocky 3? Yeah.
So yeah, it's just like it's theera of going to a video store to
rent films and shit or whatever.So, you know, you see a suburban

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Commando or a God damn, God damnwell, no holds barred or some
other crazy shit or whatever, or, or even going through the
Rocky stuff. You see this big man and then
you go back to the video store and you see the man on another
cover. All right, I'll watch this
movie. Oh, I'll watch this movie.
And then get to a point to where, like, what is this

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WrestleMania? Oh, he in it?
Well, let me watch it. And history is written for me.
Yeah, I kind of, well, I'll get my story.
When I, when I was a kid, I was a huge talker maniac, eat the

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vitamins, sing my prayers, you know, because I was like, I
remember, like my first exposureto wrestling was Saturday
Night's Main event. I remember watching that when
Saturday Night Live got preempted on.
Sometimes they think they showedit after Saturday Night Live
too. Sometimes I remember standing up
to watch this and I saw this bigmythical figure who was just,

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they wouldn't always show his matches, but when they would
show like highlights of things that happened, like, you know,
and he was always like this big like kind of like superhero guy
who was always who would always do the right thing, who would
always be a leader that you kindof like want to root for.
He was like, he was like a superhero.
Yeah, for real. And me being a kid that had a

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big impression on me, like, oh, this is the guy I want to be
like Hulk Hogan. It's awesome.
He always fights the bad guy. He always protecting the little
guy. I remember like seeing.
And then, you know, I remember watching.
I remember this. I think I remember correctly
what happened on Saturday night Main event, the moment where
Andre turns on Hogan. Yeah, I was going to bring that

(30:49):
up. And Andre was his best friend,
like, oh, Andre turned on him and and and like, they became
the whole thing. Like how?
How's ho Ho going to beat this giant?
Yeah, I, I, I remember that to where like what I was going to
bring up is just some of the, through his feud, some of the
emotion that he was able to provoke and everything.

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Like that moment wouldn't Andre betrayed him and everything and
he fucking dad the backstage promo think or whatever and he
ripped the chain off his neck and everything and he was just
sitting there like tears in his eyes and shit.
And then I can also remember when fucking Yokozuna
essentially killed Hulkamania fucking sat sat on him with the
flag on his chest and shit. Yes, I remember that and I

(31:32):
remember King Kong Bundy and thewhole thing about Hulk Hogan was
it was all these obstacles and they kind of made him like that
was like Captain America, like he was always standing up for us
and it was always some type of foreign invader who seemed like
they was evil. Now.
Now looking back, it was kind ofgross.
When you look back at that retrois making, you got this giant

(31:55):
Polynesian man that y'all say isJapanese who's.
Yeah, that was wild. I didn't learn that for a long
time. Yeah, and then you got this.
Then you have Saunders Slaughter, who was a great, but
then also they made him an Iraqisympathizer.
Like, oh, what's? Going on, you know is Speaking
of that, I remember the after ofthat when they tried to turn him
back face and he was doing the vignettes and everything talking

(32:17):
about I want my country back. But it, it was always this thing
where Hulk Hogan was this largerthan life person.
And I think he came around in the perfect era because there
was the IT was the era of the real to me at least, the real
superstars, the people who seem larger than life like you had

(32:40):
like Michael Jordan, who was forbasketball would feel like a
larger than life person who didn't almost didn't see.
He almost seems superhuman. Then you had like Michael
Jackson, of course. Oh yeah.
Then you had like Madonna, you had.
Then you had like people like. Then you had Hulk Hogan, who was
this larger than life figure whotranscended wrestling.

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And then what I enjoyed about like the mid 80s, early 90s and
everything, when you had a wholebunch of superstars of that
caliber, I mean, across sports and you know, all, all different
sports and everything. They tried to capitalize on that
in the cartoon market or whatever.
Hogan had what, Rock and wrestling or some shit like

(33:25):
that? Hulk Hogan's Rock and wrestling.
Yes, yes. To where it featured Hogan and a
whole everybody in there or whatever because they were the
popular thing. And then the thing about
cartoons, back then, they only made cartoons to sell
merchandise, you know? And then that would also lead me
to like, other sports, like so you speak of Michael Jordan.

(33:48):
It reminded me instantly of Pro Stars.
You remember that? So it was Michael Jordan, Wayne
Grexky and Bo Jackson. It was like superhero crime
fighters with sports. I have a fun question for you.
Do Hulk Hogan's rock and wrestling right?
Do you know who played Who voiced Hulk Hogan in that show?

(34:11):
I do not. You ever watch Everybody Loves
Raymond? Yeah.
His brother? What?
His brother was the voice of Hulk Hogan in that show.
That makes sense. Brad Garrett, that makes sense.
I mean, because I hear him talk and I can kind of imagine him

(34:32):
putting the accent on. Yes, Who's who's, strangely
enough, is 6 foot 8. Brad Garrett's tall like this,
almost the same size as Hulk Hogan.
Yeah, he's as tall as fuck. So I, I brought up all these
things because I know people arelike, you know why?

(34:53):
One of the things I've kind of seen was like, why would, why do
all these people hate Hulk Hogan?
Well, where did the turn around happen?
Yeah. So I'll give you the floor be
robbed. What had happened to you?
So for me, it happened way before, like the cataclysmic

(35:17):
event that, you know, kind of made it spiral out and
everything. So let's go away.
Let's go back in time. So Hogan was with WWF and
everything. He jumped ship, went to WCW
trying to do the Hogan gimmon over there, and like WCW versus

(35:41):
WWF was vastly different. I mean they both were trying to
find their way at the time, but I believe WCWII guess Ted Turner
had bought it at that point or somewhere in there.
Ted Turner opened it. At this point, Ted Turner was
the one who wanted to get Hogan in.
Yeah, Bischoff was there, but hewasn't.

(36:01):
Like like in a prominent role yet.
So I don't know why my camera started doing this.
I guess it felt like you want todo the one like you be the one.
Yeah, it's just like, you just want to put some emphasis on my
shit. But so we had all these talent
that were predominantly WWF, youknow, as far as my viewing

(36:22):
experience jumping over to WCW. So Hogan went over, you know,
Ramon went over later, and then Kevin Nash went over, and I
mean, hell, Rick Rude and Macho Man and all kinds of people.
Even before them, like when Hogan came.
Hogan was first, yeah. Hogan came over think he had
like Brutus the Barber Beefcake and like he like he brought like

(36:45):
all of the 80s guys to WCW like all of his all of his bad guys
that was in WF end up going to WCW and he essentially ran the
same gimmick that he had there NWFNWCW like the Dungeon of Doom
and the same thing. Yeah, it was essentially he
brought his homeboys with him. You know Jimmy Hard.

(37:08):
Everything. And you know it.
They make the comparison and I believe it's kind of true to a
point, but like Ted Turner and the way how he just threw money
at the project to get these people and all kind of stuff.
Kind of reminiscent of Tony Khanin early AEW or mid AEW or

(37:29):
whatever, just kind of throwing money at everybody to get them
in the door and whatnot. I mean, I'm not saying these are
the same two companies, but it'ssimilar in some of their
approaches. But but Hogan went over there
and it wasn't really working. And you know, there was kind of
both of the products on either side would just kind of stuck in
gimmick work and all kind of things we had like the
Berserkers and the fucking Duke.The dumps of Josie on WWE side

(37:53):
that was the. Thing all kinds of crazy shit,
right? Character characters and
whatnot. And then like WCW started to
have a hierarchy shift and then things just started changing
over there to where it hurt WWF because they tried to stay in
that golden era family friendly zone and whatnot and they would

(38:16):
take off, but. And to, to, to, to highlight
that because it's something thatalways gets left out when that
conversation happens. Because the whole the whole
thing that people kind of highlight when they talk about W
www.cwresurgence and and the prominence is like, OK, one of
the biggest wrestling heel turnsin history, which is Hulk Hogan

(38:37):
joining MWO, which is huge, hugefor wrestling.
Yeah, because he never ever, ever, ever been a bad guy other
than Thunder Lips and Rocky. But.
One part they kind of leave out is WCW, much like AW, kind of

(39:00):
started becoming the place to see people wrestling like kind
of like the whole AW, we're the best wrestle.
They kind of started doing that thing where they started having
people like Rey Mysterio, Eddie Guerrero, D Maleko on on the
undercards. So those things started becoming
really interesting and then theystarted bringing in people like
Psychosis. They don't have any like really

(39:22):
cool undercard matches even before the NWO became prominent,
so they would give me a reason to watch it and the NWO just
took over the top. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
But we, we, we kind of getting off track or whatever, but like
I, I got to tell you what started making my stomach turn
and what not. I mean, the NWO stuff was great.
All that stuff was cool. The Hogan turn was just like, Oh

(39:44):
shit, I, I would have never thought in my life at that point
in time that, you know, something like this would
happen, that he would betray hiscountry and all kinds of his
morals and fuck the vitamins andthe children, all that shit,
right? But that shit was cool as hell,
man. I had a NWO shirt.
I mean, I, I, you know, but whathad happened was, is just the

(40:09):
politics started to creep out onto the screen.
For W on the WCW side, I'm, I'm,I'm not even talking about
anything WWF, just because Hoganwas over there WCW.
So Kevin Nash got in the mix, Hogan got in the mix, Bischoff
got in the mix. I mean, they were the click for
that company or whatever to where like they literally had to
book for some things or whatever.

(40:30):
And that's kind of like for me, looking back at it, it is where
I might have got the got a better understanding of the
term. That doesn't work for me,
brother. Yeah, it was the term that he
coined. You know, so it's just the
messiness of everything that kind of, you know, made me sour
on them. And then just like the declining

(40:51):
of the product because of their meddling in it, You know, it
took joy away from me watching the WCW product because I
watched both. You know, WCW would come on an
hour before a Raw and I would watch that first hour.
Then I would put the tape in to record raw, watch the, you know,

(41:15):
the rest of WCW. Then I would go back and watch
the tapes for Raw. But then it got to a point to
where like I'll watch the first hour WCW, then I will put the
tape on for WCW, then I will watch Raw and then I will go
back and watch WCW. You know, but it's just them
milking the system and it like for real, for real.

(41:39):
I really can't be mad at it, butlike being a consumer of a
product or whatever, or just being a fan, trying to enjoy the
stuff. It, it was real hurtful.
But like, let's look at it this way.
If you give me a job, you pay mecrazy amounts of money.
You pretty much let me do whatever the fuck I want.
Wouldn't you take advantage of it?

(42:00):
Of course, no, everybody would. Yeah, so I mean, I, I try to
look at it from the human aspect, but like, man, just
sitting at my couch trying to enjoy this shit and you just
like, fuck, you know. And that's kind of like even
modern day or whatever when we got these talent that gets

(42:21):
essentially assigned to a company or whatever just so they
can be off the books for anothercompany.
I mean, it sucks for that individual because on one side
they are a performer. This is their passion, this is
what they love and they're not getting able to do that.
But that on the flip side of it,they're getting the rest.
They're getting money and they just kind of recovering from all

(42:42):
the injuries and everything, yeah.
But I don't know what it is. So all that shit blew up, WCW
tanked, went under and everything because of Hogan and
his cohorts just fucking everything up over there and
didn't flash forward to the rise.
You know WCW died in 2002, right?
The the rise of TNA in 2002, 2003, which I also love.

(43:07):
So that company started up grassroots.
They didn't even have ATV deal. They was doing like weekly
pay-per-view type shit or whatever.
Like every week or every other week they had like a show that
you had to pay for to watch until they got a deal, got some
syndication going and whatnot. And then once they got hot, you

(43:28):
know, the wrong people got involved.
Hogan and the same shit happenedover and over again.
You seen Hogan, you seen Bischoff, God damn Scott Hall
was there briefly got damn KevinAsh got up in there.
Jimmy Hart, everybody that you can think of that was a
detriment to WCW in his downfallis here at TNA now fucking up

(43:51):
the thing that I enjoy. Matter of fact, it came at a
pivotal point for me that I can remember.
And I, I, I always point to thispoint.
So there was rumors about Dixie Carter doing some shit and Jeff
Jarrett and him doing shit with Hogan.
And I hated that shit to my core.
But at the same time, on TV, theon TV product, Kurt Angle was
doing this angle, the angle angle to where he thought he

(44:17):
didn't have it anymore and he was contemplating retirement.
But he said before he went, he wanted to challenge himself.
He said he was going to have, I think 12 matches or something
like that, or however many matches he said he was going to
do. He said, I'm going to wrestle.
The top talent that we have hereare the up and coming talent

(44:39):
here. And the first match I lose
before I, you know, I beat all 12 or whatever it is, I'll
retire. So it was in the midst of all
that. He already had a couple matches
in. The story was getting
interesting. I was like, yo, I'm digging this
shit. Hogan came in and it just turned
all that shit upside down. It just disappeared and like it

(45:01):
never fucking happened. Shit, I didn't even realize that
happened. Huh.
I was like. And that's kind of a dope ass
storyline. Yeah, 'cause like I forgot what,
what was the catalyst to it or whatever.
I know you went on somewhat of alosing streak and it even came
to a point that I can recall. I, I don't know if it's all in
order or not. I, my brain is scattered when it

(45:22):
comes to this stuff. Like he lost the match, he got
upset. And you know, from what we know
and of a tradition and wrestling, whenever you take the
boots off and leave him in the ring, that's a sign that you're
retiring or something like that.He got beat, he was upset, he
was crying and he start taking his boots off in the ring and he
was going to leave them shits inthere and he just rolled out of
the ring and left and went to the back.

(45:45):
So it's just like that's what's was the catalyst for his
statement and doing the the 12 man gauntlet or whatever that he
set for himself. And I was just like, yo, this is
dope as fuck. And then Hogan and then it's
just like the grifting on the Indies and just all the other

(46:06):
bullshit. The reality show that was like a
real shit show exposed a lot of things too, you know?
So it's just like. Expose Hogan as a Jeezy fan and
one one of the greatest videos I've ever seen in my life he
loved. Jordans too.

(46:26):
Yeah, Hogan sitting in the car running back that Jeezy song
over and over again. Which is weird to say given what
he has said. Yeah, we're we're getting there
right now. So I guess after Hogan kind of
ruined two of your favorite wrestling companies, now this is

(46:51):
the point where things went S cause see, during this time,
parallel to this, while I didn'tlike the stuff he did the last
days WCW or TNA for that man, I thought the stuff for TNA was
bad. You know, I think that he, he
really hurt TNA. That, that guy that we was going
to put on Mount Rushmore Abyss, he fucked that up, made him his

(47:15):
lackey, gave him the power of the Hall of Fame ring, yes.
I thought it was horrible, but Istill was like loving Hogan.
I was still like a big Hogan fan.
Like, you know, people, how theymisses and stuff like that.
Hogan knows best. I was watching the shows and
stuff like that. You're still blinded, I
understand. Yeah.
And then? I used to watch Thunder in
Paradise. I used to love I.

(47:35):
I think I have a DVD of Thunder in Paradise here.
Oh shit. From years ago that I had cuz I
was like I used to love the showand then it happened.
The whole thing got leaked out with the the whole big Gawker
scandal with the. Bubba the Love Sponge.

(47:57):
Bubba the Love Sponge and essentially what was happening
was. Which you should have known he
was a nasty motherfucker by having the name Bubba the Love
Sponge, because if you don't know, that's a euphemism for the
like the lady diaphragm thing orwhatever.
It's like essentially a sponge that they put in there to block
the semen. So love Sponge.
That's nasty. Which essentially to for those

(48:19):
who don't know the story, what happened was Hogan was having an
affair, cheating on his wife with Bubba the Love Sponge's
wife, which was also consensual.Oh, yes, yes.

(48:42):
Because Bubba the Love Sponge was recording it.
Yeah, well, so the whole the exchange between them were all
consensual, but it was recorded without his knowledge, so say.
Correct. And this leaked out became a
huge scandal, you know, in the, in the Bob and Hogan's

(49:04):
friendship because, you know. It's just weird.
Roughly ending Hogan's marriage.You can.
You can pretty much say. Yeah, and, and, and that it's a
weird timeline. I don't know how the, the, the
sequence of events went for all of that or whatever, but like, I
remember, 'cause they did Hogan knows best, you know, there was

(49:25):
some fallout, then they turned around and they did Brooke knows
best to spin off with his daughter and shit, right?
And I remember a episode to where it was him and Brooke out
on one of his little boats or whatever that was out in the Bay
or whatever in Florida and whatnot.
And they floated by his old house where he lived with his
ex-wife. You know that now, now they're

(49:46):
divorced. So he's like, you see that I
worked hard all my life or whatever.
And now she's in that house living with some other dude.
I say, dawg, this, this is not a, this is not a trip that you
take with your daughter. And I remember this because the
other dude was like young, young, young.
He was like in his 20s. Her daughter age young.

(50:10):
Yes, and so the I think this is around the time see we I think
we did a pretty good good time out of events and OK, the Gawker
thing happens Hogan sues wins a lot of money.
But also around this time, a whole secondary Side Story was

(50:30):
about that happened was around the same event of times.
If I remember correctly, TMZ gotaudio of Hulk Hogan.
Haven't see. I think it's better for me to
play the audio of it as as opposed to 'cause I think I

(50:52):
think what's important is I think what's important about
this is I don't think people know the context of these
things. People 'cause the people who've
seen everybody talk about Hulk Hogan, like, oh, why are you
saying these many things Long Hogan?
And they, I think a lot of people were too young to
remember what happened, so they don't know the context of what
happened. So I'm going to share it here
right now with you. So.

(51:12):
Here we go. So this is this what I'm going
to play right now. It's audio of Hulk Hogan talking
about his daughter and his daughter's boyfriend at the
time. I'm not a double standard.

(51:32):
I've got I'm racist to a point, yeah, you know, fucking there.
But then when it comes to nice people, we are that way.
You can't you can't sit. I don't give a fuck shit nerdy.
I don't like the ball basketballplayer now.
So it gets to the point where our Brooke was far in the black

(51:55):
ass son. So I know the audio is kind of
muffled there and you can make out some of the stuff.
He was like, I'm racist to a point.
No. What?

(52:16):
In what reality? Yeah.
So. So for those who don't know,
what happened was he was being recorded by somebody in a
conversation with him and his exis I think it's ex-girlfriend
because they're not together no more and they're having a
conversation about Brooke datingthis black guy.
And he says in the quote that he's racist to a point, and he's

(52:42):
saying that basically costing the N word multiple times and
saying a lot of abhorrent stuff about black people.
Yeah. And then I like, I know after
the fact he was trying to say, you know, I just grew up in that
time or whatever and whatever, whatever.

(53:04):
But it is like you can't use that as an excuse because you
had this whole career to where you work with the black talent.
You shared screen with black talent.
I mean, you know, wrestling and outside of wrestling and
everything, you did all these things.
So it was just like, I don't seehow you can just do shit like
that, you know? And so before I heard about the

(53:32):
Gawker stuff, before this happened.
So, like, even though I was likepoo poo on Hogan because of his
work inside of the wrestling business, but because of this,
you know, I'm looking at the guy, the person, Terry Bollea,
and I'm like, yo, that's a, eventhough that's a fucked up

(53:55):
situation, that is a fucked up situation for him to be in.
It was a sympathetic situation. Yeah.
So like hearing that he, the jury awarded him $140 million,
but, you know, I guess Gawker couldn't pay it or whatever.
So they settled for $31 million.He got $31 million for that.
And Gawker went out of business.And Gawker went out of business

(54:17):
and you know, some other things and whatnot.
And Hogan was more or less set. He didn't have to do anything
with wrestling anymore. And that's kind of what
happened. He faded away into the
background and you ain't hear shit about him because he had
all his money. And then the tapes came out and
then he, he kind of retreated a little bit more.
You see, you didn't hear about Hogan in wrestling or anything

(54:37):
for a long ass time. And see.
And this is the thing now. Now, this was the only thing
that came up about race. Him saying that, you know, let
me for those who didn't hear it.Fortunately, I was sent the
quote. So I mean, I mean, Rob, that's

(55:00):
what's actually starting this whole thing.
So I can read the quote and I will censor myself a little bit
to read the well, no, fuck that.I won't censor myself.
I read it the way he said anything.
Fuck it. Let let it sting.
Yes, he's saying for those who can understand it and these
exact words that I quote, I meanI rather if she's going to fuck
some *** that's ER by the way, Irather her have her marry a 8

(55:24):
foot tall *** worth $100 millionlike a basketball player.
I guess we're all a little racist fucking *** That of the
quote that Hulk Hogan said talking about his daughter
having a black boyfriend. Wild shit to me, man, Just like
somebody I enjoyed and looked upto as a child and shit, you

(55:48):
know, I mean, up until that point, you know, I would have
let a whole bunch of shit slide.But I heard the audio, you know,
like when it was fresh, when they first leaked it or
whatever. I mean, that's pristine.
It's clear as me and Delvine is right now.
That's how clear that audio was.So this ain't no Daggone
bullshit or whatever. This is some real shit.

(56:10):
Then it was leaked by TMZ. So I mean it it it came from a
credible media source. And he did the apology tour,
stuff like that that people do because I looked it up because I
know that's the thing that people were talking about.
He never apologized, but you know, he did make amends for
certain parts of it. Yeah, so from what I understood

(56:32):
and which forever turned me off on Hogan and forever have me
saying fuck Hogan. Is that when he went to WWE to
talk to the talent and everything to apologize Dick
fingers, he didn't apologize forwhat he said.
He just said he didn't even apologize.

(56:53):
He just said just be careful whoyou surround yourself with
because you never know who's recording brother.
So he didn't apologize for shit.I mean, he's it's the situation
to where like, are you sorry? Are you just sorry you got
caught? Exactly.
And I think what stings a lot ofBlack people is 'cause you, I

(57:18):
honestly think that black peopleare some of the most forgiving
people in the world. For whatever.
Reason. We forgive a lot of things and
we feel like people are genuine and they're contrite and they're
really sorry about it. We'll let things go.
We'll let it slide, you know, we'll let things go by and we'll
keep, we'll keep loving you for who you are for especially lucky
stuff like, you know, history shows that whether it's Chris

(57:40):
Brown, whether it's people like R Kelly, who people still bump
his music, God forbid, like, youknow, it's, it's, you know, we
are very forgiving when it comesto our our celebrities of people
we love. What we're not forgiving of is
people who don't admit when they're wrong and it kind of
double down on it. What they do to say bullshit

(58:01):
over and over again. And when I'm about to play next,
Oh, you go ahead and be Rob Fox.Yeah, I was just about to say
it. It was just like, well, how can
you say that or whatever? And he worked with Black Tail
and he did this and that and this and what I was like, so
they made him money. Yes.
As the story of all of our time,we, we make them money.

(58:22):
So yeah, they'll put up with certain things and.
The thing about it is the the thing that's alarming about that
post that I read, the whole Mercedes, He doesn't have a
problem with black people if they have money.
He that's the whole part point of his quote.

(58:43):
If you are a basketball player who's 8 foot tall, who's
bringing it, who generate a lot of money, he's completely fine
with you. But the rest of you Edwards can
go away. Yeah, 'cause I mean ultimately
by proxy that would benefit him.Correct.
His daughter is dating an NBA player making an X amount of

(59:04):
money like he said that would benefit him.
Yes, that is a particular type of racism, which is insane.
But if that wasn't enough, there's another audio.
For those who don't know, his son Nick Hogan got in a lot of
trouble. There was a situation where he

(59:25):
called, got an accident with hisfriend.
Friend. If you remember, Craig got
paralyzed from the accident and Hogan visited him in jail.
And yet again, I guess Hogan didn't realize that jail
conversations are recorded. All of them.
All of them are recorded. Apparently him and Tory Lane
don't understand that, but I digress.

(59:46):
You. Got damn dummies.
So someone in the jailhouse was taping these calls and getting
the calls and kind of transcribing them and put this
part of the conversation out that he had with his son, Nick
Hogan. When I hear stuff, when I hear
stuff like this, it reminds me of that meme where they got like
the caption of the fucking the FBI agent here and what you're

(01:00:10):
saying on the. Fossil yes, and they're like
reminds me of the meme that whathis name is, it's got him,
fucking got him. And.
It's like, so curious. The second audio with Nick Hulk
Hogan talking to his son Nick Hogan while he's incarcerated.

(01:00:31):
You've been sitting some seriousphone phone dialogue here.
Yeah, never. I think that means that means my
best friend, you know, that God gave you this vibe and this this
energy that you aren't going to live forever, bro.

(01:00:51):
I just hope you don't come back as a couple.
I don't want to say it blows that get his eyes.
You know what I'm saying? It's down in Saint Pete and you
know, it's mixed race and you know, we get along with

(01:01:13):
everybody, so that's fine. Your mom went there and said it
was mainly Blues. You know what I'm still saying
and that some of the ladies there that, you know, run the
school or nice Blizz, Blizz 80s,you know, I would go down there.
I would make friends with all those kids down there.
I guarantee it. Because you know how all the
Blizz kids love? Laugh.

(01:01:34):
There you go, Hulk Hogan talkingto his son saying hey, but the
thing we did hopefully will come, die and come back
reincarnated as black people. And then they're like, God
wanted that to happen to that kid.

(01:01:55):
Yes, these are things he's saying to his son and and.
It's not laughing about it. Yeah, this, this type of racism
is ingrained in culture. It's ingrained in his culture.
And I think what alarmed people about it so much is the fact
that this is somebody we looked up to and respected and we see

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that this is OK. I understand that people say
things to others in private theymay not see in public, but once
those things that are in privateget out there you have to have
some type of self reflection on it.
You got to have some accountability.
Accountability, self reflection.Like I, you know what, maybe I

(01:02:41):
should have said that. Maybe I was wrong.
Maybe, you know, I've, you know,I think the whole thing is you
got to know that, hey, I I have a widely large black audience
because he does. He has a wide, huge black
audience that loves Hulk Hogan. I don't think even to this day,
it has changed. I think that's for people who
like fuck Hulk Hogan. There's a lot, a lot of black

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people who still love Hulk because they probably haven't
heard this stuff. But I don't know the whole story
behind it, but yeah. Yeah, then there's some of you
motherfuckers that's going to probably be sitting there
talking about, oh, you got to separate the artist from the
art. No, no buddy, not not this one,
not this one. Fuck that dude.
Condolences to his family. The fuck that dude.

(01:03:25):
I'm glad you said that because that car was a conversation that
was came up often. But let me add in this caveat.
What happens when the artist andthe person become one and the
same? Yeah.
So when you have Hulk Hogan going into the Republican

(01:03:47):
National Convention, not as Terry Bolaya, as Hulk Hogan
flexing his muscles, pulling offhis shirt, supporting Donald
Trump, and I get it, when it comes to politics, you support
who you want to support. Yeah, it's a sticky situation.
There, but I don't have to like anything like that.

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But when you go out of your way to do that, people are going to
talk. People are going to say things.
And, and, and here's a caveat tothat.
People know how to think of the Trump supporter.
Yeah, but he ain't. It was obnoxious like that.
Yeah, people but and and the thing about undertakings, people
don't care. They don't think it's Trump

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supporter that the whole thing. The Saturday night main event
was that Saturday main event. When both of them came out, that
was Saturday. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Hogan came out, got booed out the building.
Undertaker came out was cheered because all how you carry
yourself. Yeah, it's, it's wild.

(01:04:55):
It's it's wild, but you know, and they both.
And I think that's the, and I think that's the last image that
we got of Hogan on wrestling television or whatever, him
ripping the shirt off and havingthe microphone hanging out of
his back pocket and shit. Being booed and hate it by the
people who once loved them. I don't understand the play by

(01:05:19):
WWE. You know, I understand that he
is responsible for a lot of the the big things to happen to to
professional wrestling. I understand that.
But like, he is the detriment toa lot of things to professional
wrestling as well. You know what, what was it?

(01:05:43):
Jesse Ventura is famously known for trying to unionize
professional wrestling and Hoganwas the stopper to that.
He didn't think it was a good idea.
He put the whole kibosh. He killed the movement before it
could really get up and running.So we could have unionized, you
know, wrestling organizations and everything like that to

(01:06:04):
where they can get health benefits and dental and all
kinds of other things, whatever mental health assistance or
whatever. I know the companies do that
now, WWE and AEW. But like, this could have been
not like a thing that the company will help you with, but
a thing that the company is by law demands, you know, its

(01:06:26):
employees to have this coverage.Imagine how helpful that would
have been. For Chris Benoit, I was.
Going to say it with Chris Benoit or even Chris Candido.
Yeah, exactly. Who killed themselves or died of
other causes that that let otherpeople's deaths?
Superfly. Jimmy Snooker.

(01:06:48):
God damn shit. I'm not saying I mean Ric Flair,
'cause I mean, I'm, I'm not. I mean, he's surviving them, but
whatever. But like, counseling goes a long
way, yeah. That's why I'm just like Jimmy
Sticker, you know, he, he murdered somebody, like, you
know, allegedly, right. Allegedly murdered.

(01:07:09):
Yeah. Well, no, no, no, they I think
they found that to be true. But he fucking died before he
can go to trial. Correct.
I think he was. He was labeled, Yeah.
Unable to, yeah. Yeah, he was unable to stand
trial. He wasn't under his right mind
and circumstances and they're all that other shit.

(01:07:30):
I don't know what the legal termwas, but like he wasn't under
his own constitutions or some shit like that.
Correct. But yeah, I, I think the thing
about wrestling is I understand the toll that wrestling has
played off people's bodies, minds and spirits.
And it's very important and sad that we don't that there are a

(01:07:51):
lot of wrestlers who didn't get help because they didn't have
healthcare or things like look at dross.
Yeah, yeah. That's that's another one I was
going to bring up, but. And Hogan kind of played a part
in that, a huge part in that because he was the biggest star
maybe in the history of wrestling.

(01:08:11):
There's like maybe like 3 stars that 3-4 stars that that's to
that level. Maybe let's see Hogan, The Rock.
I want to say Stone Cold Cena. Yeah.
In the lower end, who I think isthe best actor out of all of

(01:08:32):
them? Batista.
And see, and that's the thing though, like I think it's kind
of different in a way because like Hogan had like ultimate
stroke, he had power. Kevin Nash, he had power, you
know, Eric Bischoff, he had power.
Stone Cold, The Rock, Batista, John Cena or whatever.

(01:08:54):
I believe they had say so of what they could do, but not
power. The Rock had to leave, become a
mega star to come and to come back to have power.
Stone Cold just left, period because he didn't want to do
that. Yeah.
He had no other alternative. He couldn't.
Just like, he's just like fucking I'm gone.

(01:09:17):
Well, had it been Hogan, the whole script would have been
changed, you know, just. All right, we'll throw it out,
Hulk. Well, you, you got it.
Yeah. I mean even I can even say that
maybe to an extent with like RicFlair, Same shit.
Yeah, Hulk Hogan, I think his legacy, at least in my opinion,
I think it's a one in terms of just leave it to the wrestling

(01:09:40):
alone. I want to say, and this may be a
hot take, it's probably net neutral because all the good
things he's done for wrestling, yeah, he's done quite a few bad
things. Yeah.
And I think it's just kind of really, it really balances

(01:10:02):
itself out. Yeah, yeah.
I mean, right now as we sit in 2025, I could give a fuck list.
I don't care about all the feelsthat he made me feel as a child
or anything. I I don't give a shit about none
of that. I'm just like fuck this dude
right now. Yeah.
And, and the fact of the matter is he, he did it.

(01:10:26):
Yeah, and it was like kind of the same way how I feel with
certain older talent OR whatever.
You hear me bitch about this on many a podcast where, like they
overstay their welcome, but like, I got to look at the human
aspect of it. They have to provide for
themselves and their family. Yeah, you like it with Ben
Hardy. I'm like that with Matt Hardy.
I was like that with the Undertaker.

(01:10:47):
I was like that with fucking RicFlair.
I was like that. We got damn well, I'm like that
currently with some more Joe, Chris Jericho fucking some other
ones will pop up, but those are the ones that they stick in my
craw. They in my mind constantly like
why these bitches still here? I mean the Undertaker retired.

(01:11:08):
I, I, I, I get it or whatever. And then like, let's talk about
the parallels between the two, like how we spoke about early,
you know, they both were on thatshow.
They both have like political alliances or whatever.
They both support Trump or whatever.
And I would think in heart take,I think a lot of wrestlers
support Trump. Not us, I hope, Not me.

(01:11:29):
Yeah, not me, but I think a lot of wrestlers like support him
like this is. I mean, if you look at the
company, if you look. At it like, I mean, I mean it's
whatever man, that that's a whole nother thing.
But like with the Undertaker, they, they, somebody tried to so

(01:11:49):
this how I look at things. I mean, I could be way off base
or whatever, but this is just a personal opinion.
You could debate me on me. I'm on the Internet.
I'm you could find me. But like, people were talking
about the undertaker cause like he supports police officers and
troops and things like that or whatever.
And people, you know, when you say you support the police,

(01:12:11):
people automatically think racist, correct?
You know, and I, I'm like, I, I can't see that unless he's
supporting a specific thing thatencourages racism.
So like myself, I support the police.
My wife is a former police officer.

(01:12:32):
She was a police officer in the military.
So like, I have nothing against police.
I know historically they fucked us over.
And they still doing some cases and they.
Yeah, for real. But like, that's not all of
them, correct, You know? I mean, we need the police.
We need the police. My brother is a police officer,

(01:12:54):
so I have to support the police to an extent.
Yeah, I understand the things that police, some of the things
the police do aren't wrong. I understand there are bad cops
out there. But I also understand, like,
hey, there are some cops out there who were trying to do the
right thing. Did you see that latest video
with the kid got punched in the face by the cop, They broke his
window and all that stuff. Yes, I did.

(01:13:16):
How did it make you feel furious?
Because they did that right? Yes, I I am in the same camp.
They did not have to go to that extreme.
I agree. You know, but like he put
himself in that situation though.

(01:13:36):
Yeah, I, I, it's, it's weird because I know this, this is
the, I don't think it's the hot thing.
I think people say this thing like, hey, just comply.
Nothing won't happen that was. That's not always true.

(01:13:56):
Not always, no, and I I understand the reason to be like
scared to be on the edge or whatever, but like yo, if you
driving around on a suspended license and you know, you got, I
think he had paraphernalia in the car or something like that
or whatever. I mean, you kind of get what you
get, player. My my thing with people, and I

(01:14:19):
tell black people this all the time because I'm black and I
worry about my people. Do what you got to do to get
home. Yeah.
That should be your primary concern.
If you have to comply to get home, comply to get home because
you have a family that loves andcare about you and I don't want
it. I, I frankly speaking them tired

(01:14:40):
of seeing our people dead in thestreet by some fucking awful
officer who don't know what the fuck they're doing.
So my thing is this do what you have to do to get home safely.
That that should be the whole end game.
Fuck all that complying stuff like that.
Do what you have to do to get home safely.
Don't, don't try to 'cause thesepeople see there are a lot of

(01:15:01):
officers who who are who are waiting to do something to us.
Oh hell yeah, hell yeah, Or justin general, just like oh fuck a
mother fucker up 'cause I have the authority to do so.
Yes. So your best option is, and the
way to fight this is do what yougot to do to get home.
Do what the best you can do to get home.
And if something happens that's unjusting, get home and fight.

(01:15:27):
Yeah, but it's not worth your life.
You fight from the safety of your home.
Please. Yes, because I'm it's too many
young people dying that don't have to die.
Yeah, I mean, that's that's whatkind of like derailed me from
fucking random Rams with Rob. The initial hiatus started

(01:15:48):
because of, you know, the Amar and Arbory stuff and all that
stuff was happening all at the same time.
And I like, yo, I had to step out of that shit, you know?
From that. Because like, I don't like to
talk about that stuff on the podcast or whatever.
And I don't like to, you know, really bring that up, but
whatever, because it's, you know, it weighs on me.
It's it's fucked up, you know, and like, that's not like the

(01:16:10):
environment that I want for a podcast because you know, some
people listen to that shit, theyescape the shit that they going
through, you know? So like, I couldn't amidst of
all that stuff going on, I couldn't consciously just do a
let's do this show and fucking bullshit, you know?
So I was just like, ah, fuck it.What I, what I found, and this
is maybe a conversation for another show, is what I found,

(01:16:31):
what happened with me during that time, even to this day when
those things were happening, people, I want to say we're
looking to me for comfort and tohear my thoughts and to have
conversation with people about these things and just kind of
express themselves. So I found myself a situation

(01:16:53):
where like, hey, what? The fuck?
What's, what's Delvin's thoughtson this?
So who is devil going to talk to?
Like, even now I have conservatives on my podcast.
I have people who are not conservative on my podcast
because people like to hear whatthe other side is thinking.
Yeah. At at the very least, to arm
yourself with knowledge like this is what these people are

(01:17:13):
thinking. Now we know how to combat this.
Now we know what they think of us.
Now we know what to do, you know, and I think it's very,
it's very important to talk to different people.
And I think what I found myself having to do is have a lot of
different, a lot of uncomfortable conversation
people about race, religion and people's safety and how things

(01:17:34):
go in this world. Because I think a lot of people,
a lot of people don't live in the reality.
One, if nothing else, you get from this Hulk, which is with to
bring it back to this Hulk, which is with a little real
quick. Oh fucking well, that's it.
But we have to understand this. If y'all don't realize it now,
if 2025 teaches US one thing is that a lot of people are OK,

(01:17:59):
they're racist. I don't get it.
A lot of people are OK with it. That is not for me person being
racist is racist is a deal breaker for me.
But for a lot of people that's not a deal breaker.
And I think that's what's that'sthe troubling thing I kind of
have to cope with. And a lot of people out there
who are like, ah, he always justracist and he's just said the N

(01:18:22):
word. Who hasn't said this?
Who has been like, what do you mean that's not a country we
should be even having? I I have the conversation a lot
about the N word like I had. A whole series on it.
Yeah, I, I remember it was very popular, a lot of like he said

(01:18:44):
it, a lot of emails from that. Yeah, I, I don't, I don't get
it. I just like, I, I, I just don't
say it. I mean, there was a time in my
life that the like, you know, itwas every other word that flew
out of my mouth or whatever is. But like, you can't get me to
say it now. It's just like, I can recall
line for line, you know, some ofmy favorite, you know, jokes,

(01:19:06):
movies or whatever have you or whatever.
And I will literally censor myself from saying the word in
the risk of fucking up the joke because it hinges on that word
sometimes. And I'm just like, fuck it, you
know? And then like, I got to cause of
what really made it pop in my brain and everything, you know,

(01:19:28):
I was in the military for so long and, you know, it's
diverse. Everybody is in there, black,
white, everybody. So like you're all one team, one
fight, but like, you know, you click up regardless.
I mean, it's just how people are.
You find like minded people are people with similar interests
and you hang out together or whatever.

(01:19:48):
So like you talking with the homies and you know, the N word
slip out here, there, slip out here and there.
And it's not just amongst black people, it's amongst other
people, other races too. So like you saying, yeah, yeah,
I mean it's. Moonsaults.
This motherfucker, man, but likeyou say, you say it just so

(01:20:09):
casually or whatever, because like, you know, it's our word or
some shit, right? But like one of my, you know,
one of one of the black Marines had to pull me to the side.
He's like, hey, man, can't be saying that, dawg.
I was like, what you mean? And I said it to him, you know,
I said, what's the dream? You know, he's like, Nah,

(01:20:30):
because like, if you say it, it's OK for them to say it.
You know, I was just like, that make fucking sense.
Because I mean, we, we, we, we've given, we, we currently
and actively in 2025 are giving them the pass to say it.

(01:20:50):
And I say that in a way like we make music for everybody.
So you're going to sing along toyour favorite song and if the
word is in there, you're going to fucking say it.
I know you are. Yes.
And I think I think that's a good point to that because I
think in these past few years people have given themselves the

(01:21:13):
N word pass. Yeah.
And then and it's like it's it's.
Weird, but it's the thing. Yeah, and it's become a thing in
like just our shit is just like the people are talking about the
impact in Word pass. And I'm like, I don't get why
we're doing this. We we shouldn't be popularizing
this or whatever. We should like be working not to

(01:21:35):
say it as much. You know, I know it's kind of
hard to wipe out, but like, we should say it less.
Please. Yeah, I think, I think a part of
me says that. And I think also a part of me is
like, you know what? Because I've had almost the
opposite reaction to it 'cause Ilike for a long time, but I
wouldn't even see it on my podcast.
Like I wouldn't say on no podcast.

(01:21:58):
But then it got to the point where I've heard it so much and
I'm like, and people, I've heardpeople wearing black just saying
it like and it almost wears wears you down 'cause like this
might be a whole other countries.
We have you on for the day to beright, but you haven't noticed
Twitter has gotten a lot more racist.
Oh, yeah, it's just like, I don't understand it, man is and

(01:22:23):
and it's you know what? It's our fault.
We, we let that shit slide because it's cool.
It's just like, oh man, we ain'tracist, man.
Everybody can say the word or whatever, whatever, man it
because like, here we are. We got, you know, Jlo fucking
with her I'm real song with Ja Rule and shit and she said the N
word and that. Then you got fat, Fat Joe

(01:22:44):
constantly saying the N word, you know, and then you got
fucking Samoan werewolves sayingthe N word and that you got
Randy Orton white playing video games saying the N word and shit
or whatever, which a lot of people think they're gonna I'm
gonna let that slide, but I ain't that.
I look at Randy Orton with the side eye ever since I heard that
shit, you know? Got Roman Reigns saying it.

(01:23:07):
Yeah, I mean I. Also didn't forget that was a
wild one. That was kind of funny, but.
Oh, definitely was funny. But otherwise, but you know,
it's just like, man, we need to chill out on that, man.
Yeah, we do. I didn't have some at least.

(01:23:27):
Yeah, fuck. How cold.
No, you say that all day. You put that on.
I'm surprised we ain't got that on shirts yet.
I'm quite sure those shirts are coming.
I'm somebody out there somewhere, I just haven't found
them yet. Look that up right now before we
go. I mean, hell, we got audio of
people making songs about our president well.

(01:23:47):
We got several. Yeah, no shit about.
That. Yeah, so black people, we got to
rein it in some. We got to, you know, be we got
to hold people accountable for their actions and everything.
We can't have Roseanne Barr and got Damn, what was that?
The fucking the rapper or whatever making rap videos and
shit. We can't be doing that.

(01:24:08):
Yeah, that was that was cringe. Gross.
OK on Tea Republic. Oh no.
There is a red and yellow. Put it on the screen debit.
Oh yeah, I'll, I'll, I'll do that.
Fuck that y'all. That's why not.
I'll put on the screen before wego so people can check it out.

(01:24:32):
At Tea Republic they have a red and yellow.
There it is. Fuck Hulk Hogan T-shirt sold by
J2 artists for $23. Shout outs to J2 artists.
So if you want to piss off millions and millions of
Hulkamaniacs, and probably thousands and thousands of white

(01:24:54):
people, here's a shirt for you to buy.
This shirt will be like stingy like wearing a MAGA hat.
Trust me, in Miami that hat's like, like the three hat from
Chance the Rapper. God damn love.
That hell are. You matter of fact, I went to

(01:25:16):
Walmart yesterday. I seen the motherfucker just,
you know, tank top of flip flopsand the mega hat and I was just
like. The fuck?
You look like the stereotype. You look like what that hat
represents. Tank tops and the flip flops,
yeah. Tank tops, flip flops, cargo
shorts, mega hat. That that just reeks of

(01:25:42):
joblessness at Walmart. Where's that, too?
All right, we Rob. Let me notify you, brother.
Well. You can find me on various forms
of social media. I think the one I'm most active
in is Instagram if people are still using that at the Three R

(01:26:04):
show. I think I have a Twitter still.
I don't use it as much but I'm lurking.
I'm looking at pictures and wrestling news and everything.
You can follow that on Twitter or it's still Twitter to me.
Fuck that. At 3R show on my personal
account at it's B Rob that's ITSBROB.

(01:26:26):
But if you want to hear my voiceon a week to week basis, maybe
even twice a week sometimes and more if you are inclined to
support our Patreon, you can come hear me on the podcast
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professional wrestling, there isdidn't get all of it Japan.

(01:26:47):
So you have two avenues to hear me different sides of the take
there. One is all about Japanese
professional wrestling. 1 is allabout the other mainstream
wrestling that we have going on in this God damn, a lot of
fucking wrestling going on. And for those who don't know,
you were on a podcast that was pretty much the longest running

(01:27:08):
wrestling podcast, like ever. Yeah.
So I mean, if it, if it hadn't stopped, we could just change
the name. We we, we, we switched to
Fortnite skin. Yeah, pretty much.
Yeah, so like our show didn't get all of it is formerly known
as RBR weekly wrestling talk forit.
So so if you know the name, it'sthe same game.

(01:27:29):
We just kind of switched to the format change the pain a little
bit, but it's still going. I mean this podcast has been
around for 20 plus years. 20 plus years and the people may
know the original host of that show, Mr. Will Washington Yeah,
formerly of Grab City and I works at.

(01:27:50):
AW, yeah, that's that, that that's definitely a thing.
And now and B roll. You've been there for a while.
Yeah, I don't know how I feel anymore.
This is do this shit all the time, man.
It's just like, I mean, it's, it's the doldrums.

(01:28:11):
You, you know how I feel, man. It's just like when I know I
have to do this, I'm like, oh, fuck.
But soon as the microphone come on, I hear, I hear your voice
pop up or something like that. All right, I'm ready.
What's happening? That's how you look going.
You know, especially with the wrestling Podcast because, you
know, I love wrestling and shit,so it's just like I'm chilling
with the boys. We just fucking around, talk
about wrestling. Yes, yeah.

(01:28:33):
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So Fatal 4 pod.com, you find everything that I just spoke
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(01:28:54):
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(01:29:15):
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(01:29:36):
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All right, Thank you guys for listening.
Delvin Cox, Spirits, we are out.Peace.
Fuck. Hogan.