We Losing the Soul With Tayrel From Stays Krunchy in Milk

This week I am joined by TayrelHaving an in-depth discussion about D'Angelo's music and influence, reflecting on his impact on R&B and neo-soul, despite his limited discography. They explored current challenges in music discovery and consumption, particularly how streaming platforms affect exposure to diverse musical genres and artists who deserve greater fame. The conversation concluded with discussions about hip-hop battles, legal disputes involving Drake and Kendrick Lamar, and various upcoming Verzuz matchups, while also touching on the recent passing of several notable Black celebrities.

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Thank you. Welcome to the Delvin Cox

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experience, the podcast which each week I'm on a one man
mission to you. Now I coach the diversity.
I'm your host, Delvin Cox. And with me on the podcast, it's
the perspicious, the magnanimous, my boy, my brother
Terrell from stage crunching. Look how you doing bro.
I'm good. Thank you for having me, good
Sir. It's amazing to have you on bro,

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very steep. You're the best.
You're the best. Thank you.
Appreciate you man as always. See also I've been trying to
like learn new words so I'm trying to add like a different
word and each time I do something.
To the dialogue I got to start study your arts.
You can play and add some new joints to it.
That's how that go. Perspicacious.

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That word, as always, regret. I was like, I watched something
recently and they say it was a word.
They they came with whatever word it was.
Lagaria. Lagaria.
Verbal diarrhea. OK, sounds like a rap song.
Add that to add that to the that's what you think, verbal
intercourse. I know exactly where your brain
went. When you're God damn right,

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that's probably with verbal intercourse.
Great song as always. Let's start a podcast with A5
for five Five questions 5 asks to get the ball rolling T In
honor of our fallen brother D'Angelo, my first question for
you is what is your favorite D'Angelo song and why?

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It might be, oddly enough, when we get by off of brown sugar.
It's just not normal. Not not what?
It wasn't my first answer or whatever.
I used to look at it, but years ago when I first heard that
song, I was like, I just listen to the song and I was like 1
nation under a groove. I'm like, has he took and then I

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go digging through the notes andI figure out, Oh my God isn't
exact. He took the the musical cadence
of of Parliament and made a whole different kind of song to
it. So if you listen to when we get
by, when we get by, when we get by, we love the music behind
that. Start singing one nation right
over it. It's the same song and it's

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amazing. It's an amazing thing that only
musical minds can figure out. You know what I'm saying?
Creatives will notice that kind of shit and do not noticing
those per SE because I'm that's called a media creator.
Creatives can do something amazing like that.
And the Angelo man, just I am still real jacked up off of that
D man. I'm selling you right now bro.
I am I am everyday still people who do posting about it saying

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yo check this out and I'm like oh yo I never even knew he did a
remix with J dub even though I have you know, have have him on
multiple JD tracks and so forth and so on.
I questlove still ain't said nothing about it and I'm like,
man, he must be just real bustedup over this because I've been
waiting for him to come out and just make a statement because
that's his man's and it's like, no, he been keeping wild quiet.

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I'm like, Oh my God, that's heartbreaking because he must be
really in a in a in a way, because black thought even came
out and said something and like quest being quiet.
But man, yeah, DeAngelo, when weget by going off of a off of a
off of brown sugar, go go get out of speed if you don't know
it right off the RIP. Yeah, mines is of course,
because I'm a basic bitch, but Ihave a reason for it.

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Brown sugar stand. And my reason for it is because
I do this thing in my mind, and this might be misogynist a
little bit, but follow me where I associate certain songs with
certain women and certain personalities of women.

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So when I hear D'Angelo brown sugar there in my head, there's
a particular type of woman I think of like when?
Because that was like when a high school era when that song
came out. Yeah, so the particular type of
woman better butter pecan skin, you know, the smile, it kind of
just brings you back to that eraof that black beauty and that

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kind of just just like it, it just gives you like it just
gives you good vibes. Like that's a song that you can
sit down with and you can chill with a woman and be like, yeah,
this is and you got to be sexual.
It's just it's just the vibe of the song.
It just kind of puts you in a ina, in a lane, a cool, smooth
lane. I think D'Angelo, which is the
best at that. You know, he came to getting out

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of the sexual stuff. He was the best at that too.
But just the vibe of just like, you know what, I'm in my car
riding to the beach and I want something that's not thugs, not
like, you know, straight hardcore hip hop.
Just something I can vibe to with a lady in the car that is
D'Angelo. Yeah, yeah.
And not necessarily not to whatever, not to, you know, pull

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you. I don't think.
I never thought his music of sexual romantic, you know what
I'm saying? Yeah, definitely a vibe like a
different vibe. You know what I'm saying?
People people do have TP do be thinking about fucking trust but
he's more had a vibe of like youcan get the fuck in if you
listen to some DHL. Exactly.
But that wasn't the line, the traffic that got you there.

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He's like, you play the right dune.
Yeah, man, this could work out for you.
So. I heard somebody describe him as
positive black masculinity. Yeah.
And I said, yeah, that kind of makes sense.
That might be why we're so messed up off of this lost man.
He's just such a he's such a rare not.

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I don't want to be disrespectfulBlack man, you know what it is,
but he is rare in entertainment to have a guy like him.
I agree he is not a. Lot Not a lot of d'angelo's in
the world, people so. Not a lot of d'angelo's in the
world, you know he's he inspiredseveral generations of musicians
like Music Soul Child, You can go down the list, the laundry
list of artists he's inspired and continues to inspire each

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day. It was only crazy.
I think he only had like 3 albums.
Three albums, but like, tons of little little little like
features and so forth. He rode a bunch.
Just a good dude man. Question #2 there.
Keep it up with D'Angelo. What's your favorite D'Angelo
feature? It's it's, it's off of Lauren
Hill's mis education. Lauren Hill.
It's nothing even matters. It was my wedding song.

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Fantastic. And so I know I ended up
divorced and so forth and so on,but.
That's that's not on D'Angelo. In fact, let's put it on.
Lauryn Hill, though, got to put it on somebody.
Lauryn Hill's fault. There you go.
And he showed up late. Yeah, man, that, that that song,

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even even now, many a year later, it means the world to me,
bro. So yeah, that's my joint.
That's the one. I don't even got to dig.
Dig, dig, dig. I'm a happily relation man at
this point but that's all. Just takes you back to a
different time. I love it.
There are certain artists that do that.
D'Angelo Deputy was one of them for me.

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Tony, Tony, Tony was another one.
Like there are certain Tony Tonysongs, songs that come on and I
just like here. Like, yeah, this is it.
Mick Condition. Yeah.
But you know what's what's a little, a little little little
honorable mention Cold World remix the jism.
Yes. Oh my God, there's no murder

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that y'all go find that on YouTube.
If it's not on on on Spotify or Apple Music, that's another
that's a banker. Question #3 In this modern era,
what's the artist you think can carry that torch to D'Angelo
carried for so long? I'll enough and and and they

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said as much when they they theymade a statement about him
passing. I have this affinity for this
disband of of of white people. It's a trio of white people,
y'all. So it's a lady singing and two
white dudes on the instruments. She's also on the instruments,
but still. And they are called moon child
and they are very much the children of D'Angelo and Dilla

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for that because they're they'rethe the way their time is with
their music. And I'm telling you right now, I
feel like if you love D Angelo'swork musically, not saying what
he was saying because often times D Angelo was talking some
real righteous black, righteous space shit, pro black, Yeah.
And but musically, I'm telling you right now, Moon child really

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is is is the the baby of D Angelo and JD Highly recommend.
My favorite song by them is off of their album Voyager, and it's
called Oh, what's the name of that song?
I can't think of it. Cure.
Cure off of their second or third album Voyager, and the
song is called Cure. And yeah, if you want to go,

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they got a tiny disc. If you want to check out some of
they, they work. But yeah, old child is real
special man. Question #4 How do we bring back
R&B Slash neo soul if it needs to come back?

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Because it feels like we don't have that same type of music.
They still make it because they're still putting up R&B and
neo soul music out there. It's just not mainstream
anymore. That is of course, I don't know
if you came across this because people all of a sudden people
want to be mad at the holiday creator.

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So. How's that Tyler's fault?
So Tyler made a post about how important D'Angelo was and to
him in his life in his comments of the I believe it's on IG,
maybe on Twitter as well. His fans of the fair persuasion
is like just lost in the sauce. They don't know who D'Angelo is
and don't know his music. So people is was like, fuck, is

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this shit? And then Tyler's kind of taken
aback by and kind of grumpy about it.
And then of course, because people mad at Tyler, they
wouldn't go. Now they're going back back in
the day, dig up some of Tyler's old tweets talking shitty about
black women. And now this week, everybody
want to be mad. And now it's the the dump on
pile on Tyler. Grader.
Oh, because he had some questionable tweets in the past.

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All going back because he had the audacity to to his to to his
wife as to wish you know, or to say how much D'Angelo meant to
him. It was crazy.
It's crazy how him saying that got them going and then it got
other people going like well y'all should be fucking with him
anyway because crazy. Because he said this about black

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women. Because that is the trigger I
hate and that they're going to tangent.
I hate the way people like to use black women as a token or in
all be all the kind of like almost like a shield.
Almost, Yeah. Because they don't do anything
for black women otherwise, yes. And it annoys me so much like,

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hey, oh, you see this? He don't like black women.
Like, OK, what are you talking about?
We can be critical of our own people when we feel it's
necessarily critical of. But we also will and always
support our own people, especially our women.
And the fact that people like topull, pick and choose certain
aspects of things to use. And look at this person, he's a

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piece of shit. Because it is there.
There's more. People are more layered than
just one or two tweets. But it's, it's that it's, it's
this, it is. It is so clear to me how much
race plays a role in, in, in allof this.

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And that they will they and I'm going to say they and you'll
know what you what I mean by that.
If I say they, you know what I'msaying.
We'll run to go listen to K Pop,which is just Korean people
singing black music. Yes, that's all it.
Is they go, they'll go do our they'll take our take of a, of a

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boy band and they'll go, you know, do like so far and so on
and, and but they won't support us, everybody but us.
We'll get there and get the support of the masses.
Now, Once Upon a time, you know,we had MTV, we had Top 40 radio
and so forth and so on. And so therefore you got a, you

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got a heap and help in a mix of stuff, meaning you got more,
more diverse listening in your palette.
I know and have listened to and do listen to a ton of
alternative music, ton of pop music.
So from the song, because that'swhat I grew up on, because MTV
showed me videos and Casey Kasemplayed me all the songs.
Yeah. And they don't.

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Got and we don't got that no more people are are are are are
are trapped in hives and stuff like that where they don't even
they don't even try to give other music a chance.
That is what they listen to is you sometimes, oftentimes just a
sometimes a singular artist is all they listen to and it's like
I'm like I feel like y'all blind.
I think the I don't want to see iTunes era, the Apple Music era,

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and the Spotify era has ruined music in many ways.
Because yes, everybody can get music.
Everybody can put their music onApple Music and Spotify, which
is great. That's a fantastic element of
it, but the fact that you just pay X amount of dollars every
month to get all the music, thenpeople just, it doesn't give

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people the ability to just go out there and find music.
There's no need to have like, you know, we don't have like one
O 6 in park anymore. We don't have MTV wraps.
We don't have Carson Daly and stuff like that.
The shows that tell you like, hey, these are the songs you
should be checking for. Yeah.
Total request discovery yeah, it's a real lack of discovery We

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can't go find stuff new the the way I bump into music, oddly
enough is somebody will throw something in the background of a
TikTok video and I'm like, what is that?
And something will be in the background of an Apple TV show
because they they got some good music supervision over there.
Respect to or just never my discovery or my kids will be

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playing something like, oh, whatyou playing in the background
back there Now They don't neither one of them live at home
no more. So I'm, I'm definitely going to
be lost in the sauce for that. But it's just.
I, I, I can't call it man. You just like just the method of
discovery of music is just kind of out the window.
And so it makes it difficult fora DeAngelo of this type.

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Your man Leon, you know what I'msaying?
Mutt, baby, I'm a dog. I'm a mutt.
Pretty good, pretty good, prettygood.
You know what I'm saying? I know he a little Disney star,
so of course he got some like whatever.
But also, you know what I'm saying?
That's a real dope artist who kind of slid through Janelle
Monáe. Janelle Monáe No, Is that right?

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Danelle Monae. Yeah, she's an artist, I know,
but I don't. Think that might be the it's the
right artist who the artist I'm talking about.
I want to make sure I'm talking about the right artist I feel
like I'm talking about. Hold on, I'm going to find you.
While you're finding artist, I want to break up another point
about that. Go ahead, go ahead.
And one of the things that kind of bothers me is even when you
go on like Spotify or Apple Music and it's like here we

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since you like Nas, here's the jizzer.
I'm like, OK, we already, I already listened to Giza.
You know, it's not going to be like, hey, since you like Nas,
here's the Red Hot Chili Peppers.
Yeah. And I don't know, I think maybe
it could be because there there's, there's a musicality
there to be found. And that's my point.
Victoria Monet. Victoria No.

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Disrespect. To Janelle Monáe, love her.
Victoria Monae is what I'm talking about.
And Jaguar. Yeah.
Yeah, she has. A great album.
I heard a couple of albums of great.
Yeah, yeah. Bro but yeah for.
Real, the whole, And that's whatjust, we just said the
musicality of things. I don't think Spotify, that
music has that range. And that's my point.
Like back in the day when we used to watch like Total request

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live, you'll see a Jay-Z song like OK, let's Jay-Z.
We know Jay-Z. That's our guy did oh, number 8
is Red Hot Chili Peppers #7 is Nirvana.
You're like, oh, OK, I fuck this.
You know, you find stuff that's so different, it's so unique and
it kind of builds your musical taste and you don't really have

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that now. Especially if you just listen to
like your groups and your favorites, you're just going to
get more of your favorite because that's your habits.
Flea from the Red Hot Chili Peppers regularly talks about
how important JDJ Dilla was in his life.
Musically speaking. It's like people as what's real.
What's been real interesting andkind of fun when you think about

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to see people discover is peoplediscover.
Unfortunately after after his passing MF do.
Yes, and find. Out you know he said well what
how do you flip that? Wow that's crazy.
And I'm like yeah, yeah. Because lightweight these
musical. It's so sad that we keep losing
all these musical geniuses, but then it's like, it's kind of
dope because people are discovering them and I hope then

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going out and and and making their take on it, a version of
it. So it still happens.
I know it does, but well. Let me give you my question #5
because I think it's going to bea funny question.
You mentioned that. Give me your top five artists
that should have been bigger than they were.
Yeah, Is it, is it going to do them in there, in there

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somewhere? This is this is in no order,
right? Top five of us should be bigger.
Let me go just poke them. Some of my my little playlist
here, I'll tell you. Should have been bigger.
Than what they are little. Brother should be way bigger
than they are. I need you to know that Little
brother has, has, has retired from the game.
They, they're, they're no longergoing to do Little Brother
stuff, but Little Brother shouldhave been massive.

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And the fact they were is of course, to be blamed a little
bit on BET. At the time, somebody was like
somebody who's running basicallywho the program director BET
wouldn't play Little Brother's music on BET because he said it
was too smart. That's crazy.
It is why when you think about all the people who talk about
how Little Brother inspired themand all the artists that love

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Little Brother, that they're notbigger than they are.
Yep. And it's, it's like, come on,
y'all, y'all, y'all got to be, y'all got to be whatever.
I know, I, I get it. Everybody thinks Childish
Gambino is massive. The Childish Gambino should be
Drake level massive. I agree.
That's a great #3 and the. Fact he's not is is is is like

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that's that's that's that's not dope.
JD in his when he was alive should have been bigger than
what he is in in death. I agree and like if you have not
go read the book his his biography is called a dill of
time and I forgot the brother who wrote it.
It's not a brother white dude who wrote it, but it's an

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amazing book. And I would tell you honest to
God, you need the physical copy of the book because of of the
you know, the hardback because there's a lot of stuff in there,
but also you want to listen to the audio book because there's a
lot in there too. So in this case you want them
both because there's a lot of data being spread on women.

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JD should be way, way bigger than than JD was.
And how many is that? That's 344.
I guess 4. I'm going to give it up the Razz
cast. That's a good one because.
He he kind of got a little burned going off off of I forgot
the one joint he did that. It was like, I think it was a a

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Dre producer joint, but he had asong called Home Sweet Home and
the production on that track is by The Alchemist and apparently
he thought he had that song. He thought he had it clear, but
The Alchemist was like, no, the leg will never pay for it.

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So then The Alchemist took that same beat, sold it to Jadakiss,
and we going to make it. And it's like, damn, man, Home
Sweet Home should have been the song that made Razz cast, Razz
cast. Instead, Jadakiss went off and
you know the scale they got to weigh the whales with, you know
what I'm saying? And so, Oh my God, both of those
songs are great. But I'm going to be real with

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you, man. We going to make it all used to
be mad about it and kind of hateful.
But after a while it's like, yougot to respect it.
We going to make it as fire. So, you know, there's some
artists who should have been bigger.
I'm I'm going to kill something.Of course my always my number
one on this list, Lupe Fiasco. It's like he, he, it's like

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funny because I everybody seems to know him, but then nobody
seems to know him. Yes, it's.
So weird. I I told a story like a about
almost like four or five months ago now that I just went to like
out the country. I went out the country, I went
to Virgin Islands and it was just like, I mean, it's.
The US version, it's out the country, yeah.

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It was it was a chicken festival.
They would like, you know, like a fried chicken festival.
People would like chicken. It just randomly fucking Lupe
Fiasco when they're performing. And it was the coolest thing
because you're like in my head, like why would Lupe be here?
Lupe Fiasco is like a huge in myhead, like he's a huge mega star

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now. I think, Oh, he really isn't.
He's he's people know Lupe, people know his songs, but he
never really got to the echelon that he should be at.
But when you hear rappers talk about Lupe, they're like, no,
Lupe is like top five. He's well.
Spoken of yes had him had they ever got that child rebel

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soldier off? It was who was it?
It's Lupe, Pharrell and Kanye, that shit.
Listen, go find us Placers, Which is the only song they did.
And man, that would have been something they could have been,
could have been great. Yeah.
My #2 on the same kind of range,same level.

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Royce the Five Nine. OK, I think they both were both
in that same range. Well, you know, Royce the Five 9
was the bad term in terms of BadMeets Evil.
Yeah, but a lot of times I thought Royce the Five 9 was a
better rapper than him. I got no people sleep sleep on
that. Royce the 59 was rapping his
butt off man for quite a long time and had put out an amazing

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album that people just slept on.I was.
Just telling my my partner, I was telling Vanessa last night
how I've never been a massive Eminem fan.
I liked Eminem when he first came out and there's some Eminem
joints that I do like really, really, really bang with, but he
was never my rapper. And and it's I find it kind of

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fascinating and funny that that no, not we know why and he and
that's and I and I can say that without ever feeling bad because
he knows why. He has stated as much that he
understands why, why he got he got the success he got, because
that's what it is to be white inAmerica.
You know what I'm saying? He's the great white hope and

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unlike most of the white rappersand most most people who are in
his position, he's actually talented.
But. There were many a white rapper
that I was getting down with before Eminem was a thing.
Love third base. Third base dope, I realized.
People were like really Milk Bone but Milk Bone has some
flows. Beastie Boys was pretty dope.
It's like I was I was already listening to white rappers

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before Eminem showed up. So I was not impressed by
Eminem. Like a lot of people were like
Oh my God it's the dopest. Like Nah man there's plenty of
white MZS out there. Y'all just don't show them love.
So random and there's no hate. I don't say that to be hateful
of Eminem. I'm more hateful of society.
People who just miss LP should be way bigger than he is.

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I'm not saying he's number six in that in the top five or
something like that. There LP is a white rapper who
is kick and flows. A$AP Rocky is a white rapper who
is fired. That actually should put on the
list. He actually is one of the
rappers who should be bigger than he is.
Got to see him. If you can get a chance go see
ASAP Rock in Live in the Concert.
I don't know if he even does shows anymore but he always

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dropping out so you can always go listen to ASAP Rock by
number. 3. This is a.
Surprising #3 But if you think about like, oh, this makes
sense, DJ Jazzy Jeff, but quietly.
One of the most important peoplewith music.
Exactly. And that's my point.
People don't know how important DJ Jazzy Jeff is, the music, but

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like, he's like hugely importantand influential.
They just think of that guy fromthe French Prince who got thrown
out the house, no? He has done and work with Moon
Child, so the the the the same band recommended you earlier.
He has, he has done a lot of work with them.
He helped bring Jim Scott out and forward, you know.
So what's on because Philly representing, you know what I'm

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saying, go y'all should go look up Jazzy Jeff's production
catalog and credits and writing and all that good stuff and just
his ability to DJ because he is a DJ and a skilled one at that
like championship level DJ. He.
He kind of, he's the one who made the transformer scratch
popular. For those who don't know that is

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that's when you DJ and it literally sounds like a
transformer like DJ that's just kind of put that the Providence.
You know he's one of he's a legendary DJ and does not get
credit for it. Let's see what my #4 could be,
because that's there's so many artists I don't think get credit

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for what they do and the things they do.
I can easily go to like you knowwhat cool G rap.
Yeah, he got and he nodded and Ican't even say he got close, but
he closeish in that on Mobb Deep's murder music.
He has a a song on there that's real dope.

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The real estate and his verse onthe real is the probably the
best verse on that entire album.And I love the album pretty much
skip skip stemming CERN there. But the realist bro yo when the
cats revealed the caps get peeled and that's the real fuck
a bitch ass the switch ass *** that like the real when the
slugs burst G rap be aiming at your mug first. *** is
bloodthirst. We'll see who gets plugged

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worse. We dug earth the place you put
the nickel plate into your facial.
Bullets ain't racial kid, they only hate you.
Bullets ain't racial kid, they only hate you is a bonkers ball.
Put some respect on Coogee. Rap's name fully signed off on
that one. Who he rapped was different,

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man. Yeah, man.
You should go listen 456456 cameout like 96.7 noises on there.
It's it's a great album. You should listen to 456 and.
And and that same vein, it's crazy to kind of mention him,
but if you think about like thiskind of makes sense.
KRS won. Yeah, never as big as he should

(28:43):
have been. Nobody speaks to Carol's when
they talk about they're like toprappers and legendary like
legend rappers. No one speaks.
The Care was one like that for the.
Longest time was the the the, the, my number one and my top
five rappers of all time. For the.
It only took that years have passed by and other artists have
kind of risen up the ranks and so forth and so on that that

(29:04):
made me say no more. But for the longest, the teacher
was it. There was nobody better than
that to me. Yeah.
Respect. Very underrated.
Yeah. Bridge.
The overall The legendary song. The bridge.
The automatic, if you use the 95album Harris one, I think it's

(29:27):
just Carl Harris 1/19/95 is an insane album.
And yeah, you should be real. Like, oh God.
Then like then a couple of yearslater, he kind of got close.
He did that step into the realm,step into, and he got one of my
favorite songs. Yeah, you know what I'm saying.
I'm I'm about to put you onto that traditional style of hip

(29:48):
hop. It that was, it's just yeah.
I hope y'all. Writing it down and going and
listening and then be like, damnT and devil was dead on.
Because we, I'm telling you right now, we ain't missing
right now. Telling you right now, go listen
to everything we have mentioned.Go, go check out somewhere they
tracked. You're going to be like, oh,
that was right, Yeah. Definitely fire.

(30:10):
Yeah, I even on that same vein that Rock him album run that
same time. Yeah, it's the return of the
wild style fashion. It's smashing his, making it
hard to adapt that shit. That song is so hard.

(30:33):
I need you to. I'm not.
And I don't say this is a joke and everybody and people who
know know hip hop is not where it's at without Rock Him.
Rock Him is why we rap like we rap now.
Because before that it was a little bit of a, you know, take
the school and take your girl tolunch.
It was that until Rock Him arrived and changed how we flow,

(30:53):
yes. Very much so Will Smith.
Said he was trying to copy rock hims flow.
He raps like rock him. Many people rap like rock him.
Just trust it OK? I'm not lying to you.
We rap how we rap now because ofhim.
Yes, people's favorite rapper before Rakim was Curtis Blow,

(31:15):
and I like Curtis Blow for sure,but Curtis Blow is not Rocky.
Oh show so. Let let me ask you, team man,
it's been, it's been a rough year in terms of like, you know,
musicians, like, you know, we just lost, lost a legend.
Like, you know, I can't even, I can't even say it like, you

(31:36):
know, d'angelo's gone. Yeah, Angie Stole is gone.
I'm so messed. Up off of that because like I
said, their kid is basically parentless now.
You know what I'm saying? That's like, damn, that's crazy
to me that I don't even know howyou deal with that.
You. He, he, he he is like living
birds don't sing, you know what I'm saying?
His parents both died in real short order.

(31:58):
You know what I'm saying? Yeah.
So it's like, that's. Yeah, you and.
It, it was like unexpected, you know, and it was jarring, to say
the least, when you don't like, you know, when you think about,
like, seven months apart from each other.
Yeah. Yeah.

(32:19):
How do you? This is the this is just the a
weird year just watching like like us.
I guess it's the best way to describe the passing of the
torch. Yeah, Yeah.
That's kind of. Like the the changing of the
guard. Yeah, well, we so see so many

(32:43):
particularly, like, black celebrities passing away lately,
like, you know, and like I, I think of Candy Man.
What is his name? I can't remember, Tony.
Tony, Tony. Tony Todd.
Yes, and I say that because I was watching the Final
Destination movie. Have you seen the last one?

(33:04):
I have not. Bloodlines.
No. No, if I.
I highly recommend people. It has been on YouTube by now.
It's it's Tony Todd's final movie.
OK. And there's a.
Scene in it where he where he comes in for a short period and

(33:24):
it will make you tear up becauseit's like he's telling us
goodbye. Yeah, and he gives this like,
heartfelt speech and he walks off the off, off the screen.
And it's like, wow, that was it.I don't think I've ever

(33:45):
experienced that in media before.
When? You get to watch a character say
goodbye and they're really telling you goodbye as that
person. Yeah, I don't know if it often
happens and if you have an example, please let us know.
Yeah, and I I just think that it's just like these last few

(34:06):
years, it's been so interesting just watching our childhood go
away. Yeah, Malcolm, Jamal Warner,
It's it's too many to even name.Yeah, let me see if I can
another. Another one that threw me for a
loop when that when Malcolm, Malcolm, Jamal Warner pass man,

(34:26):
just like, come on, man, don't don't take Theo from me.
I realize not everybody can watch and enjoy the Cosby Show,
but the reality of it is I don'tknow, man, it just that show was
important and definitely important to to to to black men.
So. See I I I want to give the

(34:51):
proper list of people that passed this year.
So we got D'Angelo, Ike Turner Junior, Kimberly Herbert Gregory
Arthur Jones, Joshua Allen, Lawrence Molten Vanessa Brown

(35:13):
knows Assata Secure Rudy Johnsonis listen Long, Sydney Oman
Brown, Roland Ray, George Reblin, Reggie Carroll, Vivian

(35:34):
Ames Allen, Danielle Spencer. Of course, let's see Hitman,
Howie T. Man, that's another one that's
that hit me a little bit becauselike I said, you know, he's
producer Chubb Rock if. You got if you got.
Down with Chubb Rock, you kind of like, you know what I'm
saying? The the DJ innovator, you know

(35:56):
what I'm saying? How we see.
So, yeah, yeah. Malcolm Jamal Warner, Robbie
Paulo from a City High Young Noble, Just Walter Scott from

(36:18):
the Whispers. Lynn Hamilton.
George Foreman, dot. This year, George I.
Will forgot George Foreman, Ananda Lewis, Sly Stone?
Yeah. Yeah, Sly Stone.
Norman Hutches, it just the listgoes on.
This is like a crazy list of people of all generations that

(36:42):
we've lost this past year. And it's just like almost like
it's just a change of the changeof the guard.
Almost the best way to describe it.
It's just. And it's also, it's just, I
don't know, sometimes we living in right now are so otherwise
rough that you know you. It's like they got while the

(37:02):
getting was good. Yeah.
And I'm like, I'm smart, smart. I can't even blame you for
leaving because bro. Yeah, it's getting rough.
Yeah, man, Dwayne. Wiggins, Another one talked
about Tony. Tony, you were talking.
About Tony. Tony's earlier.
Yeah, that's exactly what I was thinking of.

(37:23):
Yeah. Come.
On let's just Roy Ayers, man, just a bunch of legends, man
passing this year. And it's just it's it's
fascinating to watch as coming as we both get older, watch our
generations as we become the older guard.
Yeah, yeah. As they, as they begin saying

(37:46):
goodbye and we got to like, damn, that's on us now.
And then sooner than later, you know?
So yeah, yuck. So maybe maybe they all rest in
power, man, rest easy. I'm saying I I know people was
like a shot of just weren't you?Aren't you mad about it outside
of the score? They asked the Gov the shoot at
the mayor of Chicago about that and he he really had a good like

(38:10):
hold on, let me get you right right quick.
I'm not saying I'm not speaking I'll of, of the dead, because
I'm saying, you know, when she was accused and what time she
was accused. And so from the song.
And so you can and you notice that the, the, the, the, the,
the, the country we live in and the system we live in at the
period of time. So just because they, they
basically, just because they said some shit went down, don't

(38:31):
mean it went down like that. He goes, it's this, it's sad
that that the officers were killed.
And so from the song, but don't just be like, oh, she did it
just because they said she did it because we know, we, we know
the time we live in. And I'm glad and I'm glad she
died free. You know what I'm saying?
I know, I know that's good, that's whatever.
But I'm glad she, she got she, but she went on home.
She was free in, in Cuba, safe away from the nonsense and, and,

(38:56):
and, and and that's, that's, I'msorry if you, if you mad about
that or you think that's whack or whatever, that's on you.
I I appreciate the sentiment because we're living in a time
where people feel like they can say what they want to say.
Yeah, especially towards black people.

(39:18):
And I now more and more appreciate Black people being
more. How do I say this properly,
Curt, when it comes to scenarioslike that?
I think it's it's getting to thepoint where we need to start
saying things and speaking up for ourselves because if we
don't, others will speak up for against us.
Yes. Exactly and.
Sometimes when it quacks like a duck and it walks like a duck.

(39:43):
It's a duck, Yeah. Puts respect.
On it Speaking of ducks the realreason why I brought you on T
this Drake lawsuit man the. Audacity of him to even bring it

(40:04):
forth. So the caucasity of him to bring
this forth. Yes.
So for those who don't know, Drake was that last year he
filed A lawsuit, Yeah, last yearfiled A lawsuit against UMG and
Kendrick Lamar for the not like a song and saying that UMG is

(40:31):
pushing the song that's basically calling them a
pedophile and things like that. And he put up this big lawsuit,
which I was worried about because for a lot of things and
my main concern about it, and you can touch on this a little
bit more on the fact that all this was done in a hip hop beef.

(40:54):
And for somebody who knows hip hop very well, like you and
myself do, rap beefs is usually what keeps beef from going to
the streets. It's one of the oldest in pure
traditions in rap culture. And the idea that someone can

(41:18):
get sued over rap beef that's like, you know, sued over the
rap lyrics is, is very alarming because of the precedent it
could set. So I know people are making
jokes about it now because of course Drake lost the case, but
this could have turned out really bad.

(41:40):
It was clear to me and and I think to others that when he
initially filed this suit, it was hopefully to find injunctive
relief so Kendrick wouldn't be able to perform a lot, not like
us at the Super Bowl. That.
Was never going to play out likethat, didn't play out like that,
and in fact, probably the finestperformances are not like us.

(42:04):
Bruh I would write with regularly saying go back and
watch the Kendrick Super Bowl performing because it's so
fucking funny. It's great.
To see him. Turn toward that camera.
Say drink. Oh, is somebody talking directly
to you? That's so crazy.

(42:25):
But they keep pushing it. They keep pushing it and then
the the the basically they startwin, win away at it.
OK, like OK, now we we got we'renot suing Spotify no more.
No, we're not suing I heart anymore.
OK, no, no, now it's specifically specifically
Universal Music Group. OK, it's just them and this is
what they dirty for. You know what I want, I want in

(42:45):
discovery to be able to, I want to look at Kendrick's contracts.
I know I want to be able to. I want to know if he is, if his
babies is really his. So basically he wanted to
cooperate what he said in his district, correct by a legal
means. And the judge straight to Judge

(43:07):
Vargas basically was like, come on, man, come on, come on, say
that. Nobody with good sense is going
to believe that that that, that that, that that Kendrick is
Kendrick. Calling you a pedophile makes
you a pedophile, you pedophile. Being a pedophile is what makes

(43:28):
you a pedophile. Yeah, yeah.
What I'm saying? Not, not not Kendrick the
singing a song about you. You know what I'm saying?
Chill. In fact, and I just pointed out
how in fact you had called told him to call you a pedophile in
the song prior to him calling you a pedophile.
And respect. That's not a good idea. 2 songs.

(43:50):
Back if you go back to a push ups wasn't wasn't.
A good idea to do that, yeah. Or.
TaylorMade, one of them twice. We beg.
I know you're a hoe. You saying I know what you're
going to do, You know what I'm saying?
You're going to put out that Millie Bobby Brown and blah blah
yagging schmagety. It's like, no, I won't, but you
just did kiss. So of course not everybody's,
like, ass. What's up with Drake and Millie
Byron Brown? And then they go find a video of

(44:11):
her saying, Oh yeah, Drake textsme all the time, tells me he
misses me. In in retrospect, she didn't do
a good shot with this battle. Right, he did, and I like the
songs. But if you go back and think
about some of the moves he made,you're like, whoa, why don't you
do that? Euphoria is such a it, it, it

(44:36):
told you everything that's goingto happen before it happened and
it and it's been proven right over and over and over and over
again. And he just tell me that it's a
friendly fave. We should keep it that way.
But you didn't. You didn't.
Want to keep it that way? And so here we are.

(44:56):
And like I said, Judge, Judge Vargas described it as the I
forgot how. How?
Let me ask. You a question on on that same
lace. We'll move on from that.
Why do you think in your opinion?
Because you just didn't keep your friendly fate?
Because he, because he in his mind, he has won these battles

(45:18):
before. There was no way Kendrick was
going to beat him. He's like.
One in three he. He you're right.
You're right. You're correct what you're
thinking, but you're correct by his reasoning.
But he's like one in three. He beat, he beat in his mind, I
beat a Meek Mill. That's.

(45:40):
One and. Therefore, I I guess, and it's
and really the matter it is, is I don't think he respects
Kendrick and I don't understand how you can't, but he doesn't.
And the end result is you went up against the Pulitzer Prize
winning. I can't repeat that enough.

(46:00):
Pulitzer Prize winning poets from Compton, CA Kendrick Lamar
Duckworth yes, and you got your ass handed to you served up
fresh and piping hot. I'm just still.
Trying to figure out how you thought you could win now I get
like, you know, he he he's a talented artist, he's a talented

(46:22):
rapper, but is he talented enough because when every.
Time. With the.
Release of multiple over and over again, these fucking these
whatever tracks keep coming out and you're just like, oh, you
don't change anything. You literally just take these
little, little, whatever they the writer brings you and you

(46:45):
just rap right over them. I'm going to say something
that's probably controversial. Go on.
I'm just going to say it. I think Drake is one of the most
overrated rappers in terms of his positioning in rap.
You remember we had the we, we, we on this technically this very
program. We we discussed the beef when it

(47:07):
was we were in the midst of it. Matter of fact, we was on air
when when the heart part 6 dropped and it was just like
they was trying to argue with. Well, I guess us that he had
classes. I'm just like, I don't think he
does. I think he has popular music but
I don't think of him as classic my my.
Thing about Drake and he's always been the same thing about

(47:27):
Drake is if you put Drake in anyother era of hip hop, I don't
think he holds the candle to anybody in his in his field.
I don't think he holds the candle to DMXI, don't think he
holds the candle to Jay ZI don'tthink he holds the candle to LL
Cool J who honestly is a better version of Drake.
I don't think he holds the candle to most.

(47:48):
Like if you go through all the errors, he doesn't hold the
candle to those peers. Like in most cases, people are
not putting drink in their top five or the top ten.
And I don't think there's ever been an era where you be like,
you look at people and say the guy who you consider the best of
this era, we're not even puttinghim in our top 10.

(48:11):
He's a hell of a He's a hell of a performer.
He's an. Actor, and I don't say that
spitefully. He is an actor and a very good
actor. It's fascinating.
That he didn't focus on that as as where he wanted to go make
his his his, you know what I'm saying?
His his medal at because he could be a, you know, like he

(48:32):
could be if he were so inclined and award-winning actor.
Yeah, he could, but instead. He just and they're not and they
I can't, can't hate. He got his bread up off that,
but it's not like he he took hismom out the hood.
He just took his mom out the suburbs and moved to the fancier
suburbs. My my.
Thing about Drake is you can tell after a while he started

(48:56):
believing his own hype. Yes.
He thinks he's more gangster than he is.
He's not. Yes.
Because. Again, this is just a suburban
Jewish kid. I don't say Jewish as a as a
pejorative. He just is a suburban Jewish
kid. Yes.
Who? Who liked hip hop?
Yeah, who grew up in the thing. And I'm not saying this is a

(49:19):
pejorative. He grew up around black culture.
He didn't grew up in black culture.
And there is a difference. There's a very vast difference.
And you know, and it's not questioning his blackness.
You know, he may question his own blackness, but there's
different levels of black people.
There's different type of ways of black people grow up in based
on the culture you grew up in it.

(49:41):
He didn't grow up in the same culture that we grew up in.
So when we see hip hop, we see it quite differently than he
does. He.
He he portrays hip hop and he comes to hip hop almost like a
fan does. Yeah.

(50:02):
And because. He comes out as a fan, it almost
feels like he's coming as an outsider and it comes off as
disingenuous. That's.
Exactly what it is. That's it.
It's it's, it's, it's because it's so disingenuous.
It, it does it, it, it feel, it feels as if it's being acted

(50:23):
out. Yes.
It's as if this man is living a play.
And I'm just like, no. And the and.
The funny thing about it is he wasn't always like that.
Yeah, yeah, he chose this path. I want to.
Say the first one up to take care.
Maybe it's a very different Drake, like, you know, he he's

(50:48):
rapping in his lane, he's rapping my stuff like that.
First. What was the first one called
the the mixtape? Oh. *** you know, I don't know.
Truly, I do not know Drake. Well, it was.
A mixtape that came out. What was the thing to call?
What is this? If you If you If you, if you're
reading. This.
It's too late. Is that?
Yeah. Yeah, that's that's the hold on.

(51:10):
Let me make sure because I want to get it right.
I'm just going to. Go look up Drake's discography.
I'm not lying to y'all. I'm not making this up as I go
along. I know like a few Drake songs
but I don't know him enough to be like on that.
I want I'm. Trying to remember his first
album, his first one that kind of blew up.
I think that that was it. Scroll.
Down my man's discography attempt to because man his

(51:36):
Wikipedia is long. Respect.
You all right thank me later. Take care.
Nothing was the same Views Scorpion certified lovely boy.
Honestly, never mind for all thedogs and impending Iceman

(51:58):
collaborative hair loss and somesexy songs for you.
I don't know his his mixtapes. Well, if you're reading this,
it's too late. It's a mixtape OK, but it's one
that was room for. Improvement comeback season so
far gone. If you're reading this, it's too

(52:18):
late. What a time to be alive.
More life. Dark Lane demo tapes.
These are the ones that are listed as his mixtapes on the on
the Wikipedia, yes. I I think that, you know, he,
when he started off, he had a very similar but different side,
side side to his music and it was very, it was very good.

(52:39):
He, he stayed in his lane and itcame off genuine.
But as time went on and the music and the fame goes, being
what it is, you know, it kind ofjust it kind of became, it kind
of felt more manufactured. Yeah, and and so when he comes

(53:05):
through and and says, oh, I I have clearly been dismantled in
this beef, I'm going to go sue over it.
Like I said, I know initially this was just trying to
hopefully get not like us not played the two bro.
Now I kept going because I mean,yeah, you know, pay these
lawyers already ain't like they ain't on retainer.
But also the the result ends up being, as Twitter keeps pointing

(53:31):
out, and I don't know, you don'tbe on Twitter like that, but I'm
aware of it. You lost the black way and the
white way. So yeah, it.
Was just. It's just it was the easiest.
Thing to just walk away from. I lost it.
There you go. Hey man, happy to the best of
us. Walk away, take some time off,

(53:52):
go enjoy a vacation, go. Whatever.
But he can't. He can't because the way his
contract is set up, the way he gambles, so forth and so on,
It's just like he he like I got to keep going because whatever.
And I'm sure people, I'm sure Iceman will do crazy numbers.

(54:13):
You know what I'm saying? People are going to be so hype
off of it. Great.
But you're still not the same after this.
Yeah. If if he would have just went
away, his perception, public perception of him would have
been so different than it is now.
Because now it just always, every time this this lawsuit

(54:35):
gets brought back up, not like us creeps back up the charts.
Yeah, people do. Be like, man, it is weird that
he be hanging out with these dudes and that he be talking to
all these young girls. Yeah, and and he doesn't help it
when he keeps bringing it back up.
Because he bringing it up. Keeps bringing it back up like,

(54:56):
oh, I'm just having like, you know, you just stopped talking
about that, right? Baka got a weird case, why is he
around? Yeah, why are you?
Hanging out with this dude who had, you know, predator charges.
Why is that dude in your space? That's weird.

(55:20):
It remains weird. Yeah, and it's so crazy that
that group of people, when I saygroup of people, Young Money.
Wayne, Nikki. LS all of them just?
They just, it's just this, this,this weird phase that they're

(55:43):
all going through that's just like, it's almost sad.
No, almost just sad that like. You know, Nikki just had her and
it, it, it, it, it's sad to me because it's almost like they
don't know their worth. And when I made my life like,

(56:03):
you know, Mickey, Nicky just hadher thing when she had a blow up
on the Internet and stuff like that.
Going off with Cardi B and saying all kind of crazy stuff
and going off all these other artists and in your head, you
think to yourself, you're Nicki Minaj.
You're one of the most successful female rap artists in
history. You don't have to prove anything
to anyone, you just can just be successful.

(56:26):
They have to work up their way up to you.
When it comes to accolades, pretty much no female artist has
accolades. You have.
Why are you punching down when you don't have to?
And I kind of feel almost the same way about Drake.
Like you, whether you like his music or not, you Drake, are one

(56:48):
of the most successful hip hop artist in history.
Artist. Just Bart Blank.
You don't even got to say hip hop, just artist.
One of the most successful, moststreamed artists ever.
You didn't have to respond to any of this.
You don't have to. Understand anything, he went
out. There and was like, Come on,
Kendrick, diss me, diss me, dissme, beg for it, you know he.

(57:09):
Doesn't have to prove. He didn't have to prove
anything. Nothing, nothing.
He gained nothing from this. Like even let's let's just say
this out in the blue. Let's say it's like wins the
beef. Yeah, he.
Gains nothing from it, correct? He's no better.
It's no more like hey, you know what I'm saying?

(57:35):
What is it? If I shoot you, I'm brainless.
If you shoot me, I'm. You famous, you know what I'm
saying? That's what it is.
If. It's as Lupe say, if you got a
#1 headband on, why are you looking for #2 to fight #2?
You just. You just let #2 come to you, but

(57:56):
he chose nothing to do that. That's the part like you didn't
have to do all this, could have just been avoided.
But these are. Things that you're making this
is your own devices. You may you created this bet and
Wayne just drugs. Drugs in jail and all these
things. And this is like it's, it's sad,

(58:19):
but he's if you if you look at Lil Wayne like like I think we
should be looking at Lil Wayne. Lil Wayne is like any other
child star. Yes, they all seem to go not all
of them, but many of them seem to go through the sooner thing.
They get addicted to drugs, theyget caught up in some nonsense,
they go do time and so forth andso on.
They then they get that shit together, hopefully and and and

(58:43):
live a better life. Jodie Sweeten is from from full
house is a good example of somebody who got, who was on
meth for a while. You know what I'm saying?
Was gotten their shit together, gotten their life right, gotten
clean and sober and, you know, does stand up shows and so forth
and and and and and and acts andstuff and so forth.
Just found a way Lil Wayne's need to find his way because,

(59:07):
like I said, he started when he was like 1213 years old.
And so that just, you know, basically leads to a life that
is not going to be too great. It's crazy to think that Lil
Wayne is only 43 years old. Yeah.
He's young. Yeah.
So one more thing before we go. I'm going to bring it up since

(59:30):
we talked about Lil brought up Lil Wayne.
Are you excited for the versus matchup?
Who is Lil? Wayne versus Oh.
You didn't hear about this? I am unaware.
I'm surprised you didn't hear about this October 25th cash
money person. No limit.
Oh, so that's what. So everybody's been talking

(59:51):
about cash money, no limit recently, yes.
And I just been like, what the hell is this about?
Oh, that person is coming back. That is going.
To be a delight. Mind you, that time of hip hop
was not a huge OK, so whatever. For me, I was not a huge no
limit fan. In fact, I was very offended by
a lot of no limits raps because it was so wack.
But then they rescue Snoop. So I kind of was like, OK, you

(01:00:13):
got Snoop out of that death row situation.
I got to give it up to you. As for cash money?
I and this was like what the fuck is this shit?
But then if you going to listen to Huh, if you going to listen
to Juvenile and go listen to Huhfor real, that's a dope.
Song he was. Spitting fucking fire the.
Juvenile is kind. Of kind of slept on or

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underappreciated, yes. Very much so, because.
He is far more skilled in MC than I think he's given credit
for. Correct.
And so I I think look no limit is was some hit makers, OK, but
cash money got some bankers too now in a versus situation.
Oh. Who you put your money on for

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that? Make them say.
Oh, kind of do that, but back that ass up is a universally
known known, you know what? I'm saying.
But see my worry was this. It depends on how far you go

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with cash money. OK, Like they cash money could
cheat. Like, oh, we're going to do
Young Money part of this too. Like that's a little bit cheat
code, young. Money, cash money, it is the
thing it is the like that so allthey're.
Going to do is bring out all theNicki Minaj songs and stuff like
that. Then that's like, that's not
fun. But if you just go straight up

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cash money records versus no limit records and the error they
had, like even like, you know, bringing the that that error,
Snoop Dogg, it's going to be really fun.
It's going to be really, it's going to be a lot harder, a lot
closer than I would think it would be.
You can bring my man. Fiend out there.
Fiend 'cause I 'cause there's somany songs I forget, like go dig

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up. Kane and Abel gangs to fight.
Yes you are. Yes you are.
It was. A song I forgot about is Young
Bleeds. How you do that there?
Hey, how you do that? They're like, oh, they, they,

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they got like so many different songs.
Mystical. Here I go.
I know, but it's like you bring up mystical and just feel gross.
It does. But.
I guess they got a dude in jail whose literary name was C
Murder, so see. And the thing about it is I grew
up in the South, I grew up in Miami, and No Limit was huge

(01:02:47):
down here, yeah. I.
Mean huge, like it was a big deal down here.
We know limit soldiers, I thought.
I told. You like I said, I know no limit
shit just by osmosis. I said I never, I never owned a
single no limit nothing. But I can spit you a bunch of no
limit flows 'cause people. Like you when I say it was big

(01:03:10):
down here, like people had I gota hookup movie, people had the
true movie like it was like a phenomenon down there like it
was the thing and cash money wastoo.
But you know, people was like people like heavily fucked with
no limit down here. They.
Got to bring. What's her name?
Yeah. X Hell yeah, Hell yeah, man.

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It's a, it's a That's going to be a good time.
It's going to be. It's going to.
Be a lot of fun I assume. That's on whatever that Channel
they bought versus is, yeah, so.Shocker going to come out there.
What is horrible rapping ass by?Far the worst rapper to have
ever grabbed the microphone y'all.
And I've hung out with some white boys who think they can

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freestyle. Shook.
The shocker is awful, yes. Yes, it's going to be really
fun. Just enjoy what Versus is.
Yeah, man, I'm happy it's back. Yeah, it's been a good time.
I was just watching your man's Gucci was talking on a breakfast

(01:04:16):
club with he had his wife up there and talking about his him
and Jesus versus. So I'm just like, yeah, OK,
right. So it is miscible but OK.
The all time plastic is of course The LOX versus Dipset
because? We got Grams, these dudes.
Only know what Grams is. JD Kiss was so on fire man.

(01:04:42):
Dipset got cooked. Bruh just roasted like Cam had.
Cam talked talked about that recently enough when he was like
Jim Jones really wanted to do this verses.
I told him we should not do thisverses.
I said we should just go. We should because they were
talking about doing a tour with you know what I'm saying, the
likes of the locks and so forth.And and he's saying if we do

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this verses, it, it ends it, it will not work out for us.
But he said he loved and and andJim was like, man, Cam, I'll
give you I'll give you all my money from the verses.
Jim told he can't. He would give them all the bread
from the verses and he's like, if my man is like so adamant
about doing his verses so much so he said he'll give me all his

(01:05:24):
money for him and he don't even care.
Then I got to I got to, you know, you know, say respect my
man. And we got to do this verses.
But somebody went that back thatverses practiced ready, yes, war
ready if you will, and. The crazy thing about it, it's
not, I don't think the dipsets Awack group, no.

(01:05:47):
Bro it's too many dope. It's too many dope.
Fucking Cam and dip diplomat. They can.
Abandoned. They were woefully unprepared
yes, and the locks. It's the locks.
I don't people the locks might when we talked about earlier,
the locks might be like the mostunderrated group in hip hop

(01:06:08):
history. It's like it's so fun to watch
them because they they have multiple podcasts that they are
a part of. It's Jaden, it's Jaden, Fat Joe.
And then they got the one they do with the white dudes that's
always hilarious because it's just like, is it a tie in the
Jaden because it's one of the segments.
It's just so good, man. And so they're super funny

(01:06:31):
dudes. They're super talented dudes.
They're wise. They know they they know they
shit when it comes to this musicthing.
Just I mean just good guys. And I'm not saying the the the
dipset don't do know that it's like it's like 2 very different
levels of of of of game here. You know what I'm saying?
Just. It's crazy to think about it
like, you know, the locks was there for like, the heyday of

(01:06:55):
bad boy. Yeah.
And. Then they left Bad Boy to be
there for the heyday of Rough Riders, of Rough Riders.
And then they left Rough Riders to have their own heyday.
Yeah, they got sold with everybody.
Yeah, everybody. Think about how crazy is that?
Like you can just name random orlike, lot's got a song with him

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and it's probably a pretty popular song, yeah.
Man, if Mariah Carey would have came out.
That would have been bad. Oh my God.
And they probably. Could have got Mariah Carey to
come out of there. Really weren't.
It was. It was.
Just COVID, I know what it was that situation.
We was just we y'all got to understand we was in the midst
of COVID at this point. People was having to get tested.

(01:07:41):
People supposed to be wearing masks and weren't I, I, I
remember Fat Joe talking about that saying trust me, COVID was
in the building. COVID want.
To see the verses. Oh my God, man, like I'm not.
Missing this versus hell no bro.What?

(01:08:03):
Dip the Mets let let let me ask you this.
Since versus is back, before we go, who would you like to see do
the versus match up now? I always say.
Nas and Jay, because I think it'd be just fun to see these
dudes who can wrap their asses off, have a good time and do
some of these best tracks back and forth.
They're the they're what, the few, some of the few rappers
that are actually, I think at the same level, you know what

(01:08:23):
I'm saying? And so I feel like that's a lot
they bring to the table where where it's not just an off
match. There's no limit of cash money.
Seem off, seem unbalanced. You feel me?
Yeah. It seemed like no limit got a
lot more firepower in this situation.
So that one seems unbalanced to me.
But like I said, Nas and Jay andnot because I I think they need
to whatever settle any beef or anything like that, because all

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that's old school, but I feel like it'd be so dope to have.
They're like I said, like I said, two of the two of the
best, the most equally balanced dudes, if they came out who have
done them have bodies of work that reflect this such, you know
what I'm saying? That'd be so much fun to
actually have that go down like that.
Let me see, do we know, bro? I truly don't because like I

(01:09:05):
said, it's like it's this, it's that, but it but it's like
nothing, nothing that ever just speaks get you like whatever,
you know what I'm saying? It's like Kendrick and Drake to
fight each other on on the versus just got Kendrick.
Mind you can so so if you did that right, so you know, OK, you

(01:09:25):
can be like Drake got way more popular song.
So when he's on Kendrick has done songs with like Taylor
Swift. My God.
There's levels. To this, you know what I'm
saying. I think there's a couple of
words you could do. That'd be fun, right?
Can you give me the? Example, I'm trying to think of

(01:09:45):
some words that would be close in terms of competition.
Feel like the Wu should do 1. Yeah, but who would you put them
up against? In my head I want to say the
Dungeon family. Interesting, but then not
because like I said it's just again it becomes off balance

(01:10:05):
quickly because you got basically what, 3 goody mob
albums Max 1? But then again, you had outcasts
in that, and that's cool breeze.Album yeah outcast.
So at that point it just then then.
But yeah, but that's, but that'sI guess you can do all the all
the if you have. Outside projects, it balances
out. It helps balance.
It out a little bit that can be fun.
Wu Tang versus versus Dungeon Fam because it's.

(01:10:30):
Only 20 songs if you go. Ahead and spread that bitch out
Like I said, having seen Wu Tangin concert this earlier this
year, I need you to know that catalog is is far deeper than
you imagine and I. Think I think Dungeon Family
Catalog is also probably far. Deeper than we give it a credit,
yeah. Because you got to think about

(01:10:51):
Cee Lo Green solo stuff, yeah. That's.
A lot. You got goody mob, you got cool
breeds and technically. Technically quiet is kept future
is kind of I was going to. Say future too have the secret
weapon Future so if you. Wanted to.
You could just be like, hey, he can just bring him out to drop a
track or something, or just averse or something, a couple of

(01:11:11):
balls or something. That's a lot.
And I think, I think that would make sense, yeah.
Because Wu Tang was that group in the East Coast.
In the South, it was the Dutch family.
Yeah. I.
Can probably see that, you know what I'm saying?
I I lean up like if you you can't because there's so many of

(01:11:34):
them are so many have gone on. I'm saying, but tribe daylight,
you know what I'm saying? You know what I'm saying?
That would have been amazing. But get your get your your your
native tongues kind of popping off, you know, kind of Oz what's
some West Coast cats who like you were saying he would take a
pull up versus Snoop versus whoever man, because Snoop got a
deep ass catalog back catalog. But it's like, who's versus?

(01:11:56):
Cube would be fun, yeah. I guess, yeah, yeah, that kind.
Of makes sense, yeah. That could be fun.
That could be. Fun Snoop versus cube would be
fun. Feel like exhibit should do 1.
I don't know, because he's because if anything, he he is

(01:12:16):
far more underground than peoplegive him credit for.
Yes. And so I.
Wonder if he has enough in the tank to be a girl depending on
who you put him up against. I guess so, man, you know?
What Scarface? Scarface needs to do a versus.
Who you putting up Scarface against?

(01:12:39):
It depends. On how we want to do this, we're
going to do it for fun. Always fun.
Never never anything that's likegoing to have people.
That's what like Jeezy's wife was talking about how she was
worried not Jeezy. Gucci Mane's wife would say she
was worried about him going up against Gucci Mane Jeezy because
she was worried that they was something could have happened
between them saying that it could have took a turn.

(01:13:00):
So nothing, none of that. All this shit is I want this
kept of just bars and having a fun time and talking about how
*** you don't live in New York. No more like Jada clouding up
these *** live in Miami. Jada was so upset.
See, now I'm trying to think whoScarface would be get up

(01:13:21):
against. Yeah.
Because that's what it should happen, yeah.
It's it's the issue being we we've just lost so many people.
You know what I'm saying? It'd be it could be if you were
saying it'd be, you know, gang star versus, you know, I'm
saying whoever, but you know what I'm saying, Guru's gone and
so forth. And it's like so many people
that are no longer with us. And so it takes it takes a hard

(01:13:44):
turn you. Know I'm saying.
PAC versus big at one point in time it could have been amazing.
Bob versus. Outcast would have been
something cool to see. Yeah, man.
But it's just, yeah, the, the duos, you know what I'm saying?
Yeah, that could have been superdope, right?
But the the we, we've lost so many for 2 / 2, so many

(01:14:04):
different things. It's like, damn, it's crazy.
So yeah, man. Jermaine Dupree been said he won
the versus for a long time. Jermaine Dupree maybe versus
Eric Sermon, they kind of got a little, they got both kind of
got that kind of catalog of production to kind of have a
good time with. So that might be a fun time.

(01:14:24):
Yeah. But then, of course, like I
said, my man from Crisscross haspassed away.
You know, I think, I think at this point, have they both
passed away? They.
Might have, yeah. So and and so it's just like, I
don't know, man. It's just like it's so many gaps
and you just feel like, yeah, that stinks.
But yeah, if you put, you know, Jermaine Dupri up against like

(01:14:45):
maybe Timberland or something like that there, yeah, that
could be a good time. Timberland, Waller.
Because he on that whole AI bullshit right now.
So yeah, that's the. Whole.
Kettle fish will go. I, I, I often look at Jermaine
Dupri's catalog. I'm like, oh, people might be
sleeping on Jermaine Dupri. Oh, I.
Know I know because people be forgetting the the time goes by

(01:15:06):
and you just forget if you couldhave him puff, you know versus
Jermaine Dupri could be fun. You know, I'm saying bad boy so,
so def kind of situation. But you know, he got five years
to do and people, people. Forget the songs that Jermaine
Dupri have produced, Yeah. Yeah, it's a lot.
It's a lot of songs when when you start going on a list of
songs, I I'll just go off something and you thought you

(01:15:28):
think like, oh shit, let me go down.
Some of them jump by crisscross all the crisscross songs.
There's a bunch of them here. There's a lot of crisscross
songs the. Brat, you know what I'm saying?
Understanding by escape. OK, from you Liz, understand
it's a nice. Night by Chris Cross, of course.

(01:15:50):
Hell yeah. The banger had that CD single.
Now we're getting to some big ones.
Always Be My Baby by Mariah Carey.
You Make Me Want to By Usher. Yeah, Nice and slow by Usher.
My Way By Usher. Bedtime by Usher.
The First Night by Monica Man Who he.
Putting Usher up against. Oh, that's going to be a hard

(01:16:12):
outfit. I would have to say Chris Brown.
I don't know Breeze's music likethat because I really get down.
I I wanted people who was like, once I heard about him hitting
Rihanna, I was like, I can't fuck with you.
And I know a lot of people are like, whatever, but it's never I
don't know what's happening. I'm the.
Same way, but I feel like he's the only one who has those type
of hits that would probably go up against Usher.
That's, you know, relevant. Yeah, Usher has a lot of hits,

(01:16:36):
112. Versus what you call it, Dru
Hill. That was something.
I don't know why you did that. They should have.
Did it never happened? It should have happened.
Boys Men versus Jodeci I. Can I can I can see that fight

(01:16:59):
that should have? Happened, yeah.
Man, it's just so much so, so, so much to be enjoyed.
And so hey, I get it cool versusversus is back.
So that's a good time to be hat there.
We're spec new on the on that, yeah.

(01:17:20):
It's great man. All righty, let them know where
to find you at bro and all your mini podcasts that you're on
that you kick ass on. I am across the Internet,
Tayrel, TAYREL 713, the number 7, the number 13, in that order.
I am the host producer of Stage Crunchy and Milk.
We've been doing that for God 13going on 14 years now.

(01:17:42):
It's a fun show, man. We'll do it a couple times a
month at this point. Just sometimes I'm just like,
but I have a show that I really think is unique in it and brings
an interesting voice to it. We have a show called Cream
Patissiate. It's a Great British Bake Off
podcast and we recap and review episodes of the Great British
Bake Off. But also of the Great American

(01:18:05):
Baking Show, and that one is a little easier because it's an
American production, meaning I have managed to secure many of
the bakers of that show on the show.
They've come and talked about their time in the in the season
they're in. In fact, tomorrow's episode that
I'm recording will have one of the bakers from a past season,
my man Brad Gester, who was in season two of the Great American

(01:18:27):
Baking Show, which is on Roku. It it the Great American Baking
Show was floating around for a while and it had a time on CBS,
had a time on ABC. But in, in recent years, Roku
bought the IP and it's on Roku and it's, they're up to, they're
about to do their fourth season of, of that show.
And it's a great show. And because it's a it's a
produced in America by the same people who make it the British

(01:18:47):
version. But I have connections at Roku
now that I've developed over theyears, I oftentimes get to have
those bakers on and let this this past Great American Baking
Show season, they was like, thisis the winner.
And they tell me that before. Normally I don't know who the
winner is, but it's like, here'sthe winner and you can interview
her on this day. And I'm like, damn you, you
really spoiled the entire seasonfor me on this one, didn't you?

(01:19:10):
But. It was OK.
It's OK that that that that works out.
So I'm telling you right now, it's a great show.
The the it's it's I'm very happywhat we do with it.
It's our most popular show by a lot.
And if you get down with Bake Off and want to hear black
voices discussing Bake Off and baking shows and talking to
often times these other the Baker's from the show.

(01:19:31):
Get on in there man. Get on, get down, get on with
the get down on that man. I think we make good stuff.
I'm not lying to you when I tellyou I haven't.
I've had have been reached out to by Baker's from The Great
British Bake Off who tell me they listen to our show.
That's not me joking or clowningor whatever.
I'm telling you right now, people who bang with Bake Off,

(01:19:54):
people who have baked on Bake Off, listen to our show because
what we do is special and it's avoice that I don't think a lot
of people have. It's black folk who get down
with British Bake Off talking about it like black folk would.
We try to keep it pretty much PG13.
You know what I'm saying? I try to swear too much.
And in fact, I actually said some wild ass shit the other the
other week and I had to. So if you, if you go through an

(01:20:15):
edit, you'll hear a Ching because I I beat my we beep our
cusses with sword slash. We beep intense cusses with a
with a sword slash in the in theskim universe.
And so yeah, I had to put a sword slash on B because I was
like she dog walking motherfuckers out of nowhere.
And I'm like. Can't really say it on.
The Bake Off shelf, not no, but it's Crypticia.

(01:20:37):
It's a great British break off podcast.
It's spelled with the cake stage.
Crunchy milk is also spelled with the cake because of course
it's a it's a spin off from that.
So that's our little brand, you know what I'm saying?
And so I think we do great work,as long as you don't.
Add a third can, you should be OK.
Hey. Hey, well, no, because 11 is
skim and one is KP. There's no worrisome of that
situation there. The brand is well well in hand

(01:20:59):
for these situations, man. Get down with the get down if
you are so inclined, man, and check out what what what I'm
doing. We all we also have a show it's
called Cadillac on Mars. You hadn't done it for the last
couple months because Charvie made going through some things
just busy. You know what I'm saying?
You understand Charvie has a a real job.
It has to therefore take care ofreal job shit.
So it has not been easy for us to get to it the last couple

(01:21:21):
months. But we do make a show called
Cadillac on Mars. Me, Delvin Chalfi, always having
a good time when we get togetherand talk to him, saying it's
always a delight. Just some some, some, some some
brown, some brown brothers talking about what it is, the
big parents and men in in, in inAmerica and usually talking
about some video games and music.
It's great. Don't listen to the back head

(01:21:43):
long if you have not. You should be getting down with
that because it's dope. Sure, as I do all right.
As always, tell the Cox spirits we are out peace.