Draft Show: Closing the Book

The 2025 NFL Draft is now in the books. How does the crew feel about the class and who could make the most impact in year one? For the final time this draft cycle, Kyle Youmans, Bryan Broaddus, Bobby Belt, and Voch Lombardi give their thoughts on the Draft Show!

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Speaker 1 (00:04):
Isth Dallascowboys dot Com Draft Show, your war room for
insider news and draft analysis from deep within the confines
of Cowboys Headquarters at the Star Infrasco.

Speaker 2 (00:17):
And now your host.

Speaker 3 (00:19):
Kyle Yeomans.

Speaker 4 (00:22):
Today is Tuesday, April twenty ninth, twenty twenty five, and
we are three days following the NFL Draft in Green Bay, Wisconsin.
Welcome into the final episode of the twenty twenty five
version of the Draft Show. We've got Bobby Belt, Brian
brought us, Chris Beam in the back, and right up
here front and center, the stylish, the profiling, the vatch, Lombardi.

(00:48):
What's up, dude, Yeah, you gotta turn around.

Speaker 3 (00:52):
Well, we got a podcast to do.

Speaker 5 (00:54):
Is that Vocher? Is that a crime boss from Sin City? Too?

Speaker 6 (00:58):
Listen?

Speaker 3 (00:59):
Man, you know, uh, we had a dress code Friday
and Saturday, and I had I had plans to you know,
put all my little all my little fits together and
apparently Middle Light pays a lot of money for us.
Well on Polo, you know what I'm.

Speaker 7 (01:12):
Saying, So getting your money's worth right now.

Speaker 3 (01:14):
They get I'm getting these fits off brown bro.

Speaker 7 (01:17):
It look good.

Speaker 3 (01:17):
So we're gonna do this one. And I got the
break tomorrow. I'm gonna wear another one on the damn
break tomorrow and then we're going right back. Take a
T shirt.

Speaker 2 (01:24):
You're look you there.

Speaker 4 (01:26):
You made an appearance on Talking Cowboys today, you worked
your way in for the final Draft show, and now
you're on the break tomorrow.

Speaker 2 (01:33):
The rent do, Calum, do what you gotta do. I
respect it.

Speaker 4 (01:37):
Also these draft pins, by the way, that the lapel pins.
Hey Vach had those custom made for all of us
that we wore throughout Super.

Speaker 5 (01:44):
Six, super cool.

Speaker 3 (01:46):
I was happy to see you wearing it on TV
when you was doing the everything I did, I had
it on because I was like, man, y'all just doing
this to be nice. Y'all really hated but oh no,
see I loved it.

Speaker 2 (01:55):
I matched it with my ties and everything I did,
the whole thing.

Speaker 3 (01:57):
The one mistake I made was up with twenty twenty
five on This is used as next year, so I again,
it won't be a date on it.

Speaker 2 (02:04):
But hey, that's okay. It looks great. It really does.

Speaker 4 (02:07):
And can't wait to use it again next year. And
just put a little sharpie mark over the five.

Speaker 3 (02:12):
I'll get you in it.

Speaker 2 (02:12):
They wouldn't it all right, let's break down this NFL draft.

Speaker 4 (02:16):
We're gonna do it by segment and we're also going
to fit in some twitter on the twenty questions as
that goes along.

Speaker 2 (02:21):
But I want to start just generic thoughts on day one.

Speaker 4 (02:24):
Then we'll go into Day two and segment two, and
then of course Day three and segment three.

Speaker 2 (02:27):
Brian, I'll start with you.

Speaker 4 (02:29):
The Cowboys go out and get Tyler Booker, twelfth overall
pick out of Alabama. They they bring him in. Everybody
loves the guy. Everybody loves his his demeanor, his personality.
But from an ex's and O standpoint, it feels like
a fit too.

Speaker 7 (02:41):
No, it absolutely does.

Speaker 8 (02:42):
And you know this, These are the things that you know,
working in player personnel for as long as I did,
that you can appreciate about a draft is there was
a lot of conversation leading up to the actual draft
the day of would uh, you know, what particular wide
receiver be there for them or would they pay the
wide receiver position? And I have to give them some

(03:03):
credit here, you know, I do think that they would
have liked the opportunity to have.

Speaker 7 (03:07):
Drafted Ted McMillan.

Speaker 8 (03:08):
But you know, the draft is the draft and sometimes
players get selected before you and you have to be
able to pivot. And I think the Cowboys did a
really nice job of really following their board. I can't
stress that enough, folks how difficult that could be at times.
But there were players between where McMillan was and maybe
the next best wide receiver. It just wasn't a slam

(03:30):
dunk that they were just gonna that they had both
wide receivers right there and they were going to take
And clearly Booker was very very high on their board,
and it absolutely that's one of the better players at
that time to select. And if you look at the situation,
you could say, well they.

Speaker 2 (03:47):
Drafted for need there.

Speaker 8 (03:48):
Well, yeah, they drafted really, in my opinion, the best
player for them. But he absolutely can fill the need
at the right guard. So sometimes you take the best
player and it absolutely fits one of your needs.

Speaker 7 (04:00):
So's it was.

Speaker 8 (04:02):
I give him a lot of credit for their stock
and the way that they were able to get to
their their player there in the first round.

Speaker 3 (04:10):
You know, one thing we should we should feel really
decent about and give the Jones this some sort of
credit for is that they are aware of their needs.
You know, Uh, there's there's this rhetoric online that oh,
we're just gonna run with the wire receivers that we have.
There's plenty of conversation going on, whether it be from
Nick Harris or Jane our got Bobby there that that
the Cowboys are looking into wide receivers. So at least

(04:32):
we know that they know what the problem is. Right
with that being said, if you have this mindset of
a post draft will fix everything that we need right now.
Take the best dudes. I have no complaints about that.
If we're having conversations about the best guys, I know
we need wide receiver. I know we like this Golden kid.
He's only had about three good games and we could
really pull from to say that we love or this

(04:53):
a Mecca Booger kid. He's been a wire receiver too.
I get it, And maybe they may not be the
best bang for our buck. This Tyler Booker kid and
SEC football has been whooping everybody for three years. He
has a long track record of whooping NFL players for
three years. Look at those Texas teams, those Georgia teams,
all those pros that that that come from those programs
or whatnot. The Michigan's win. He lined up against those guys.

(05:15):
He's been whooping qualified characters. And the one thing I
can say about this pick is you're gonna plug him in.
You're gonna put him at record. I don't want to
hear no nonsense about well, he's a rookie, so we're
gonna play with the threes over on the other field.
When we get the camp he's gonna line up with it.
When when when I don't know who was who was
responsible for, but when they did that with Guiden and
and and BB, I was like, we know Guiden and

(05:37):
BB gonna be the starterst why are we messing around
with this. I need to see Tyler Booker versus Osa immediately.
I need to see him versus Mazi and those characters
and get him in that water and get him acclimated
because he's gonna be a Day one guy for us.
He's a Day one guy for us, and just as
a as a as a player, that's gonna come in
and he's gonna move a gap for us. He's gonna
move be gap for us. He's gonna help Terrence Steele
give get back to his old life. I think this

(05:59):
offensive line is be fantastic. I've even named him the
mall of America. You know, you ma all people, all
of Americas fire because we're about to move people. And
Clay bad and look, Clay Nabs came out and said it, man,
look all this. I'm not about making guys do stuff
that they're not good at. You know, I don't want
to pin and pull these guys if they're not pinning
pool guys. Tan Tyler Guidon could play tight end. Let
him pull but let but let Tyler Booker be the

(06:21):
pind let him be the whoop guy. And I think
that this coaching staff has a really good idea about
how to use him. It's gonna be fun.

Speaker 4 (06:27):
The only place that nickname would be better would be
if Minnesota had a badass offensive line. Hey, if the
Vikings had to be sick offensive line, that's.

Speaker 3 (06:35):
A great But we're America's team. Yeah, so the mall
of America. So the mall of America's team. No, it's
too long.

Speaker 5 (06:44):
Yeah, you're trying to sounds like a fortune where it's
before and after. Now look, I mean, the biggest complaint
you heard from, but I think everybody, even those who
didn't want Booker initially, which I think was just out
of a lot of fans. It was just they didn't
have a fareness of who he was or he wasn't
one of the ones we focused on as much as
McMillan and others, and so I think that was part

(07:06):
of it. Then there's another group that just didn't like
the position being taken.

Speaker 2 (07:10):
Position value.

Speaker 5 (07:12):
I think on the front of the position, I'm going
to take issue with anybody who has gone after the
position itself. I understand if you wanted something else, but
I'm still going to take issue with it, cause here's
the thing. He's going to start immediately. He's going to
be better than what you had. So if you can
take a rookie and put them in your lineup and
say we're better than the veterans who are there, it
was a need regardless. I don't care if you had

(07:34):
a body there, It was a need if you can
put a rookie in there and they can start right away.
And the other thing is when people are talking about
what's the value of a guard at number twelve, I'll
tell you what like guard today is not guard fifteen
years ago. A gap pressure is how teams try to
get to quarterbacks. Now, a gap pressure is how you
in this league where they're trying to get the ball
out in two two and a half seconds, that's the
quickest route to the quarterback is through the A gap.
If you're leaking in the A gap or in the

(07:55):
beginn you've got massive problems as an offensive line, and
this is an offensive line that did have problems with that,
including when Zach Martin was in their last year. Zach
Martin didn't play. Particularly Tyler Booker not first career, but
Tyler Booker next year, I'm confident will be better than
what Zach Martin was giving you last year. Sure, and
what you got in general from the offensive line at
that spot last year. So Booker helps them right away.

(08:18):
I think he's the highest careers Brian, the highest floor
offensive lineman they've picked since Zach Martin in terms of
not that he equals Zach Martin, but that you're talking
about somebody ready to come in and start now as
a rookie. The last guy they had like that was
Zach Martin. So I think he's really strong across the board.
I think he's got the potential to be a Pro
Bowl player. And you're talking about somebody who when the

(08:39):
stack was tight and they looked for the tie breakers
of character and leadership and things like that. He blew
everybody else out of the water. You know, you hear
from the Scouts, you hear from Schottenheimer. Their offensive line
coach at Alabama, Chris kapelovic I had reached out to
him on Thursday night and he said, he's the best
leader he's ever coached in his football career. He's a

(09:00):
top tier in his preparation. So to me, you're getting
everything that Shoddy has preached as the number one issue
for them since January, since he got here, and you're feeling,
what is a need if a rookie's starting there? It
was a need.

Speaker 8 (09:12):
I think that we were guilty here on our end
of it though, too, And I think as a media
or the Scout media that, especially with this football team,
we talked a lot about wide receivers. We really hammered
it here. I mean we you know, it was every day.
It seemed like we were talking about McMillan. We were
talking about Golden, we were talking about Abuka, we were
talking about Yeah.

Speaker 7 (09:33):
Sure we did.

Speaker 8 (09:34):
We talked about Booker and stuff like that. But we
didn't talk about it in the way you know of this,
you know. They they looked at it as sure, we're
going to just draft our board. You guys can talk
about that wide receiver room all you want. And you know,
and and I think that we conditioned fans to to think.

Speaker 7 (09:53):
Wide receiver, wide receiver, wide receiver. You know.

Speaker 8 (09:55):
So I feel like, to me, where we we were
able to to come back and talk about, well, here's
Booker and here's how he fits and this is what
he's able to do.

Speaker 7 (10:04):
But there was so much.

Speaker 8 (10:06):
Wide receiver talk, and I think the fans were just thinking, like,
that's what it's going to be, and their their expectations
of that was to be that. So I feel guilty
in a way of just of hammering that point. But
I also felt like that we did have some discussions
about Booker and exactly the type of player he is,
and uh, you know, but I, like I said, I

(10:26):
give them a lot of credit for the way they
stacked their board and the way that they appeared like
they didn't jump any tags to go get this player.
And they think a lot of them And as Bobby
and Boch just said this, this guy will come in
and he'll do a fine job.

Speaker 5 (10:40):
Yeah, And I think I don't think you should feel
bad about positioning the wide receiver to Need. That was
very clearly their top meets Steven identified Yeah, still is
their top meat and I'm.

Speaker 8 (10:49):
Going to address it elsewhere, but I just felt like
we really hammered it though.

Speaker 5 (10:53):
Well, that was their target. Mc millan was their target.
Here's the thing I think that's important too for people
who are that's still their top me If they would
have had somebody that was in the range that was
close to Booker, I think they picked a receiver. I
think what that is a testimony to is Golden and
Booker were not close. If it was close, if they
were a little yeah, they were a little below them.

(11:14):
I think they take the receiver because they go, hey,
it's close enough that we do have this as a need,
a bigger need. But I think we've seen enough of
how frequently the scouting staff has been right in their
evaluations of players that to me, if they have somebody
uncomfortably separated from the guy they picked and the only
reason to take them is a need and chat, then

(11:36):
to me, I wouldn't want them doing.

Speaker 3 (11:37):
That also to just around Cowboy Nation, Twitter online and
all this kind of stuff. I think one of the
biggest disagreements that happened was is that there were some
Cowboy fans that thought that brock Hoffman was the first
team guy. And I like Brock Coffin man, no dish
better Brock Coffin, But the Cowboys just don't see it
that way. Last year, the conversation was all right, Hoffman
can be a starting center for you, and the Cowboys

(11:58):
immediately say we can be. I mean, we moved him center.
That's it, that is it.

Speaker 4 (12:02):
He was better in training camp to start the whole
first two weeks of training camp, brock Hoffman was better,
and they still moved Cooper.

Speaker 3 (12:09):
B b still moved. And now the narrative this year
wasn't you can see it online. Hey we are fine
at right guard. Hey, Zach's retiring, but we're gonna put
Brock in there.

Speaker 2 (12:16):
We're gonna move.

Speaker 3 (12:17):
Right on from Brock. This tells you what they really
think Brock is. And I'll give him credit. He's probably
the best interior swing backup center you can find in
this guard center in this league. But I think they
just wanted a little more juice. They just want a
little more. And this will tell you that they looked
at right guard as a need, like they looked at
wide receiver as a need, like they looked at corner.

Speaker 8 (12:38):
I think you saw brock Hoffin is absolute best for
five six games.

Speaker 7 (12:42):
Yeah, that's where you see brock Hoffin at his best.

Speaker 8 (12:45):
I don't know if they really thought that seventeen games
was going to be the best for them with them playing.

Speaker 5 (12:49):
That he's a unit player, like brock Hoffmin's strength comes
in how he contributes to the entire unit rather than
as an individual player. He definitely gave them something in
terms of an edge and the physicality. And I have
more respect for brock Hoffman than than a lot of
players in this league. Not that I disrespect, but like,
I just hold him in high regard for the work
ethic that that guy has. Is awesome, toughness about the

(13:12):
commitment to the team, the willingness to do whatever. I
think he's somebody that I want him here in this
building for as long as he's going to be playing,
because I think he brings something that you need. I
think it's also important to remember that you do have
a new offensive line coach and one of the biggest
fans of Brock Coffin in this building was Mike Silari,
who's not right?

Speaker 7 (13:28):
You're here?

Speaker 8 (13:29):
Yeah, Now a lot of guys are in that boat
right now.

Speaker 7 (13:32):
Absolutely, in a lot of different positions.

Speaker 2 (13:34):
Absolutely, we'll talk about it.

Speaker 4 (13:35):
There's it's going to continue through the offseason and into
training camp.

Speaker 3 (13:39):
Sega, segma going to be fired. I'm going to.

Speaker 4 (13:42):
Talk about the last thing on Booker and a lot
of the disagreement that that Bobby was mentioning earlier that
fans and media have is where Booker aligned on the
consensus board compared to where he ended up going at twelve.
A lot of people were saying he was thirty one,
thirty two on these consensus boards, these media boards. And

(14:02):
I said it on Talking Cowboys. I'll say it again
here just because I'm not going to discredit the work
that the media scats do, because you and I we
all know how much work we put into it, how
much film we watch, how many notes we take. All
of that is great, and it's an opinion that was
across the board that Tyler Booker would have been a
lower first round pick. But at the end of the day,

(14:24):
our opinion is one thing. Their opinion is another and
their opinion was that he was a first round player,
and they stuck to their board and went with.

Speaker 8 (14:30):
I think the biggest problem that people have real quick, Bobby,
is that maybe the athletic ability.

Speaker 7 (14:34):
Maybe that's the biggest.

Speaker 8 (14:36):
Question already asked scores pretty people are like, they're taking
those metrics and they're they're honestly holding it against the kid.
Whereas watch will tape. You watch the film, He's kicking
LSU's ass. He's kicking floor in his ass.

Speaker 3 (14:46):
That's just so miss. I actually made a highlight tape
it's on my Twitter right now of Tyler Booker climbing
to the second level pulling black and ins black and line.

Speaker 8 (14:54):
Though that's the question, that's the question I think that
people had that that is the sky an athletic because
we're hearing the element of pin and polls and things
like that, and then we have the opportunity to interview
the coaches and they're saying, listen, we will adjust to
whatever we have, you know, and then immediately that's like, okay,
they're not going to try and force anything here.

Speaker 7 (15:13):
And Tyler Booker, it is a really really good pick.

Speaker 5 (15:18):
It really do I want Booker lead blocking around the
edge consistently. No, I don't, but but like I'm like,
I mean, he's not he's not an elite athlete. That's true.
But I will say part of it's funny to me.
I think if you watch his tape against or with Alabama,
part of it is also he's trying to beat Jalen
Milroe to the spot and hellows so fast, like like,

(15:41):
I mean, you want him to pull and get there
before Milroe does. Like that's partially going to be what's
happening there.

Speaker 3 (15:47):
Uh.

Speaker 5 (15:48):
Second, I think that to the point of consensus. I
talked to people from three different teams outside of Dallas,
and they all said they thought Booker was going to
go on the top twenty.

Speaker 2 (15:57):
Wow.

Speaker 5 (15:58):
The league thought he was a top twenty.

Speaker 8 (16:00):
I had a scout from another team that the night
of the draft when he was selected, this scout who
has that area told me he says, that was one
of my favorite players to scout this year, just overall,
the player, the type of person he was, everything about it,
and you know, and that was very very encouraged that
when the Cowboy scout told me that was a guy
from another team that was He's like, man, you guys

(16:20):
got you a great one there.

Speaker 3 (16:22):
I heard, But I could be wrong. But wasn't Houston
trying to trade up to get Booker?

Speaker 4 (16:26):
Like like were trading up for an offensive lineman. I
don't know if it was Booker or not. I never
heard specifically outside of that on you or something different.

Speaker 5 (16:34):
I hadn't heard who they were coming up for. I
just knew they were. They were coming up. They were
trying to come up. It's just too big a drop.

Speaker 3 (16:38):
It's probably gonna be Booker because all the other offensive
linemen were going at that point. It was Booker and
Donovana Jackson that was left over that you would think
that they would take seriously enough to take it as well.

Speaker 8 (16:46):
I mean, the whole thing was Simmons. It didn't sound
like to me with the Simmons stuff, it wasn't so
much about the knee. It was about maybe the character stuff.
That was the thing that ultimately got him. Where did
he end up going first round? That was the kitching
Andy Reid pick.

Speaker 3 (17:03):
That was what it was.

Speaker 2 (17:03):
He had himself a.

Speaker 5 (17:04):
Dress New Cincinnati, Kansas City, and the care. I just
don't see how you could how you could.

Speaker 7 (17:10):
Watch them in the Super Bowl.

Speaker 3 (17:11):
I don't see how you could look at that film,
Booker's film. I don't see how you could look at
it and thoroughly examine it and not come away fully
impressed with it. Like some like I get it, man,
some players got warts on film. You know what I'm saying.
But if you watch him versus the I'm gonna keep
saying this versus the competition that he's playing again, I
got film of him picking up to Andre Sweat and

(17:33):
dropping him on his head. It exists. It's out there,
bro man, watch a little bit of film. I think
this is as clean as a big as you can get.
And yeah, if you're a team, you asked him to
do wide zone, so yeah, sure. But Clayton Adam saying
that we moving line of scrimmage and do one, I
think this slam slammed up for the player.

Speaker 5 (17:50):
And if you want to talk about somebody who had
to face the most complex defensive fronts, and Blitz looks
that the sec or that football really has to offer
the college level. He saw it consistently against Georgia. The
stuff that Kirby Smart does with late shifts and everything
else are the type of things that gave Texas Hell
in the first game that couldn't protect when you weres
because of it, And it's the same sort of stuff.

(18:11):
Those sort of shifts are the same problems that give
NFL team's problem with communication. He's prepared for it. He's
gone up against all your big time SEC defensive tackles
for years, the Jordan Davises and people like that who
are up in the NFL. Now that those are the
type of players he's gone against and handled as an
All American.

Speaker 4 (18:27):
Really excited to see how he fits in. Because we're
talking about the ex's and o's, we're still not even
talking about the person that he is.

Speaker 3 (18:33):
How impressive is this.

Speaker 4 (18:34):
It's unbelievable. I've never seen anything like it. The way
that he interacts with people, coaches, front office, just regular
staff members, media. I mean, it's really impressive.

Speaker 3 (18:46):
So I'll saying on on YouTube everything that he says,
I just believe him, Like he's a believable guy. I remember,
I'm not even going to say the player that plays
here right now, but his press conference last year, right
he was like, yeah, man, you know, I just I
like to hurt people like the people. Man, I'm just
physical like that, and I'm like, bro, yo, your film
don't even say that? Why why you line with us
right now by the home time? About like, bro, your

(19:06):
film don't even say that? Why don't tell me what
I want to hear? Just because there's a camera and
and people watching you. It sounded sensational how he was
trying to say it to us, like, Hey, I'm here now,
and this is what I like to do. But Tyler Booker,
very matter of factly. Look, I imagine my opponents, and
I imagine what the what the what the crowd sounds like,
and what the wind smells like, and what sweat tastes like.

(19:27):
And and oh I saw number number four for l
s U and I wanted to go over there and
whoop me and say something to it. You can find
films I posted that place. You can find film of
him doing these things. You can find whooping people, even
him looking for work. Bro, It is even him looking
for work. It'll he'll have nobody to block and his
center of being trouble. I'm gonna go over there and

(19:48):
smoke who's ever lined up over my center? I believe
him when he talks to us. This is a slam dunk.
I don't want to keep selling it because it sounds like,
you know what I mean, like I'm just doing doing
too much to vouch for my guy that I've been
talking about, you know, since January. So I ain't trying
to be told you so gay. This kid's impressive.

Speaker 4 (20:03):
We've sat on this show. I told y'all, so you
were top eight, wasn't it? He was eight on eight
to the We've sat on this show the Tuesday after
the draft before and just been flabbergasted by picks. It's happened,
and we wouldn't be afraid to say it that way.
I think all of us are in consensus here that
we like to pick and we like to fit. Now
I think we're also inconsistence that Day two was special.

Speaker 3 (20:26):
Kyle, let me take so for you.

Speaker 1 (20:27):
Move on.

Speaker 3 (20:28):
If Gray's Abel would have been the pick as well,
I'd be mad as hell for pot as in a row.
Ain't no shame gaming, what Dave is wrong?

Speaker 4 (20:35):
Go ahead, gotta get over at that point, the uh,
we're going into day two when we come back here
on the Draft show, the Cowboys find some value in
the second and third round.

Speaker 2 (20:44):
We'll talk about it right after this with more of
the draft showy.

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In the third segment, Alongsidevach Lombardi, Brian brought us Bobby Belt.
I'm Kyle Yowans with Chris Beam in the back. Moving
on today too, the Cowboys select Donovan Azeraku edge rusher
from Boston College with the forty fourth overall pick, and
then at seventy six they take Savone Ravel Junior. I'm
trying to rack the history books for Dallas, Brian when

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it comes to the draft classes that they've had where
they've found as much value as they did on Day
two this year.

Speaker 8 (23:52):
It's amazing to me and I just know looking at
how I had the player stacked, it's almost not almost,
it's in reverse order. The player, the third round player
would have been my top player, the second round player
right where he was taken, and then you know, with Booker,
he would have been the third guy. But if you
can tell me that I can grab three of my

(24:12):
top players in the first thirty seven picks, you know,
I'm I'm I'm totally on board with what they did here,
and I think, to me, this once again is just
a great example of them following their board. You know,
I know, as a Roku, we've we've we've talked about him. Boy,
we like him as an edge rusher and all that.
Did we have him earmarked for the Dallas Cowboys? I

(24:34):
don't think so, but you know, we talked about him. Hey,
somebody's going to get this guy who's got this this
elite bend and ability to finish at the quarterback and
you can move him around, and so that that to me.
When when that pick happened, you know, we were all
kind of talking about, well, here it comes the running back,
here comes the potential corner, you know. But the way

(24:55):
that they stack their board once again, I think they
got a hell of a player. And you know that's
when you look at now, when you look at the
group as a whole with Michael Parsons and as a
Roku and Fowler, and we'll see what happens with Sam
Williams and stuff. Man, they've got some legitimate edge rushers
that can cause some teams problems. And they've got a

(25:16):
couple of guys with Micah and this guy that they
can move around and maybe even put on the same
side to cause problems. You know, there's there's a lot
of different combinations you can use with this guy's he's
an outstanding player, really is.

Speaker 5 (25:29):
Has the statute of limitations expired on a draft board
from twenty two years ago? Brian, can you identify a
grade from twenty two years ago? Do you think safely?

Speaker 7 (25:39):
No? No, probably not.

Speaker 2 (25:40):
Maybe names if it's specific names.

Speaker 5 (25:43):
Okay, I want to say specific names. He got if
we're just talking value, he got in three, Witten in
the third, of Al Johnson and the second Brady James
and the fourth. Were those all high guys?

Speaker 7 (25:54):
Yeah?

Speaker 8 (25:54):
Uh I if I remember Parcells the Al Johnson one
because we were all sc remit it built a draft
went and in the second round and we were worried,
and it just happened to be a draft where it
was Dallas Clark and uh, there's just all these tight
ends and so you know, we're like, gosh, please that
we can't do this, just pick him, and Bill's like, no, no,

(26:17):
we've got to have the center. I got to have
the center. And we just got lucky. The draft got
smiled on us that day. But I think the best
value of a draft that ever, in my opinion, that
we had here was the five one when you start
looking at Chris Canty and Ratliffe and those guys.

Speaker 2 (26:32):
He did a documentary over there.

Speaker 8 (26:34):
Yeah, that was that draft was special in the way
that it fell for the Cowboys.

Speaker 3 (26:38):
What about a Zeke Jalen Smith and Deck like like
value as.

Speaker 5 (26:44):
Yeah, so post after the draft dec is going to
be higher. Sure, obviously so, but like at the time,
like I don't know where they would have had grated
Like j Jalen was the top. He was just an
injury flag.

Speaker 3 (26:54):
Yeah, I had like a second grade, a second round
grade on Deck.

Speaker 4 (26:56):
I was even looking at like twenty twenty like CD Lamb,
trave On Niggs, Neville Gallimore. But I still don't think
Gallimore had the same value on their board that of Revel.

Speaker 8 (27:05):
It would be it's it would be like I say,
it's with Revel, how that plays is going to be
That's going to be the one that could be the
kicker and he could very well be the best of
the three when this, you know, I'm I'm really looking
forward to, you know, Britt Brown and this this medical
staff getting with this kid because he wants to work,

(27:26):
he wants to get back out on the field. And
you got a guy with like a Britt Brown that
will just we'll get after it and help him get there.
And so you know, he's it's it's so encouraging that
they got to him. I thought you were going to
have to take him at forty four to get him,
and the fact that they got him at seventy six,
I think is I'd say the word draft guds clearly

(27:46):
smiling on him on that pick.

Speaker 3 (27:48):
You know, Coach White Kiden came up and said me like, hey,
we we need a lot of dudes to make this
thing work. And if you think about the Cowboys two
years ago when that pass was was that pass us
was like really good, Dante Fowler was like the fourth guy.
And now he's like our second.

Speaker 2 (28:02):
Guy, right, you know what I mean?

Speaker 3 (28:03):
So you you you have to look at pass rushing
like it was a need coming into this thing. You know,
we don't know what we have in Sam Man. You
know we were talking about, Hey, your guys out the building. Yeah,
dan Quinn's gone and Sam got hurt and he didn't
even get a chance to be a part of Zimmer's administration.
So so now you are two coaches removed saying wiives

(28:23):
if you don't show up and do something expeditiously, sir,
you you you are, you are under the fire. I
think I think Donovan is here. I think Donovan knows
how to get sacks day one. The Cowboys clearly have
a type. Donovan got length, those long arms, eighty three
inch wingspan, something like that. It's like ninety first for sure.
And he can pass rush right now. Even if you

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want to set the rolls up and say, well, Mike's
not gonna come off the field all too too much,
you know, kneeling is your rundown guy. Peyton Turner would
be a rundown guy. Even if Donovan is a rock
who day one is not a full blown rundown guy.
He's at least a dude that you can line up
on this edge, that lineup at linebacker. You want to
put Mike at linebacker, put him at edge and move
all these guys around. You have day one usage with him,

(29:06):
and I think edge was a was a bigger need
than we even talked about. So that's two. That's two
picks in a row where the Cowboys kind of fixing
need that. While we're harping on a receiver and running back,
they're thinking, Hey, if this pass rush is here, how
can we not you know, take them. And there are
some mid dress that had him in the first round,
and you know, even Ross Winch now somebody said that

(29:27):
they didn't think that he would even be there, like
so I guess common knowledge would be and Bobby could
tell us where the league had Donois. So to get
him at forty four, it's a blessing man.

Speaker 5 (29:36):
Yeah, Ezeraka was a borderline first. I think for most
people in the league they thought he was going to go,
and at the very least they thought he'd be one
of the first off the board in the top of
the second. So to get him midway through the second
is definitely a good value thing. I think in terms
of like stacking the defensive line depth and doing different things.
I haven't looked at the tendency yet on Chicago. I
will say I know that Aaron Whitecotton coming from Jets

(29:58):
and forty nine ers philosophy and Adieberflus being brought up
in Rod Marrinelli's philosophy, that is heavy defensive line rotation,
that is, you are eight deep a lot of the
times because there's so much that they asked them to do,
get up field, get up field, just like run the motor.
Run's so hot that a lot of times they want
to keep fresh legs. And Marinelli's big thing was always
fresh legs for the end of the game, like making

(30:19):
sure you had guys that were not getting drained throughout
the game. And so I think that that's definitely speaks
to the likelyhood of a strong rotation that they're gonna
run and you've got like Kneeland, Ezraku, Parsons, Williams, Fowler
and so a lot of depth. There's clearly what they're
looking for. I'd say one of the things that I
don't know that we've talked about it really with Ezraku,

(30:40):
but it does stand out to me when I was
watching his tape, was have you noticed how frequently and
even for a guy who is technically undersized, I guess,
do you notice how frequently like a tackle would look
like they had like vice scripted him and he'd break
out of it. But like, because so frequently you see
tackles when they get their hands on him, it's just
demorla and edge rushers are done. He flips what looks

(31:02):
like pass rush pass rush losses into victories like that.

Speaker 3 (31:06):
His it's because of his his his rush pattern, right,
he doesn't just stay outside. I saw this one rush.
It was against it was one of the Carolinas. Whatever,
he'll rush outside, counter back inside. He'll look like he'll
be beat, but he doesn't stop. Chain and moves together
like he's a super nuanced pass rusher right now, on
top of the idea that he's bendy, his hell.

Speaker 2 (31:25):
Or his arsenal is nuts.

Speaker 3 (31:27):
I see, I've seen this. I don't want to cuss
on y'all show, but how many times have y'all seen
him fake hands high? Offensive lineman put hands high and
he bends his ass up under here, Like if you're
a college football player, you're just not ready for that,
I haven't seen that yet. You know, now when you
get to the lead, maybe they've seen that before. But
just as a day one arsenal ready to go, you
don't have to tea. And that was my biggest That

(31:48):
was my biggest grap by Mike Hail Williams. Right, you
can't have Mike Hill and come in and be like
all right, time to get sacks when he hasn't done
this before. Donovan gets sacks and he's not he's not
running until he's not efforting his way and tol him.
He's getting he's gaining him.

Speaker 8 (32:02):
There's so many times where we're watching these edge rushers
and as they were going and I know you and
I watched with our show, so I was talking about
why is he going down the middle? Why is he
going down the middle? Why is he going down the middle.
This guy doesn't play down the middle. This guy plays
underneath you, he plays around you, he attacks shoulders, he'll
go inside of you.

Speaker 7 (32:21):
He's not gonna sit there.

Speaker 8 (32:22):
And that's one of the problems I had with the
Texas A and m kits. I just kept felt like
they were just kept rushing down the middle, down the middle,
down the middle, and mikel Williams was really and watch
is right the same way. You know, come on, when
are you get to try and win that edge, when
you can try and dip, when you can try and
play low shoulder, when you get to try and flatten
that angle. You know, you just didn't see it with

(32:43):
this guy, him and our guy at Marshall.

Speaker 2 (32:47):
Mike Green.

Speaker 3 (32:48):
I thought so.

Speaker 8 (32:49):
I thought those were the two best pass rushers when
it came to attacking a shoulder, getting low and then
finishing where they needed to.

Speaker 4 (32:55):
I thought the technique from Mezeraku is NFL ready. The
side in the length is NFL ready, the speed off
of the jump is NFL ready. The one thing that
is a knock is his strength, like his play strength,
But he plays with his hands so well, specifically the
way he's able to play him and the way he's
able to work around these or these tackles he's that's

(33:16):
something you can grow on. That's something you can coach,
you can get better at as time goes on.

Speaker 5 (33:20):
He doesn't have brute strength, but I mean there's pop
in his hands.

Speaker 3 (33:23):
Absolutely.

Speaker 5 (33:24):
It shocks guys. And like I said, when he gets
locked in, that's.

Speaker 2 (33:26):
Gonna get better.

Speaker 4 (33:27):
As he does get some brute brute strength whenever he
works in an NFL strength and conditioning.

Speaker 5 (33:31):
Even when he gets tackles hands on him, he's still
strong enough to like, I mean, he will, he'll he'll break,
he'll break the grip.

Speaker 3 (33:38):
Also too, Like if he's bending all game right and
he's outside shoulder, outside shoulder as a tackle, you get
used to that and you go, all right, let me
overcompensate for his outside speed, and that's when he'll he'll
he'll run down a milliu in bull russe or whatever,
just fantastically.

Speaker 2 (33:52):
Michael wanted to ask the question on Twitter on the twenty.

Speaker 4 (33:55):
He said, if the if the Cowboys had moved up
to get Tetoro at McMillan, it would cost their third
round pick in order to do so. Likely, So now
we know that what we've got, would you rather have
the picks that you have, the three Booker Ezraku Revel
or would you rather have tedor Rolla, McMillan and Aserraku

(34:15):
in the second.

Speaker 3 (34:16):
Let me tell you how good of a question that is,
because they've asked us this before, Like you trade up
and you lose picks, but you don't have names on.

Speaker 2 (34:24):
The picks that you know who you're gonna get.

Speaker 3 (34:25):
We just got picks, and we could be assumed that
the Cowboys aren't going to do the right thing and
draft properly. Right, But you got three players in my
top twenty eight and Brian's top thirty seven. Yeah, I
think that's better than Tip McMillan donovan and wait until
pick one forty nine to take Bluke.

Speaker 9 (34:42):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (34:43):
I think if if you're without your third round pick,
your philosophy of the second round pick may differ too.
You may not have the leeway to say we'll take
a corner in the third or day three. We may
have to take Will Johnson who was there at forty four.
We might have to take Benjamin Morrison who was there
forty four. Tree Almos, I would.

Speaker 8 (35:02):
Rather have the picks that we got, No, I mean
to me, it's it was very logical when you talk
about Vach mentioned the three players. I got the twelfth
best player with the third round pick. I got the
twelfth best player on my board with a third round pick.

Speaker 2 (35:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (35:14):
Now you'll say, okay, Brian, it was probably because of
some injury and stuff like that, but they you know,
this kid is you know the fact that doctor Cooper, who.

Speaker 7 (35:22):
I know very well, did the surgery. I think this
kid's going to be just fine.

Speaker 8 (35:25):
I think he's going we're going to look back at
this one day and we're going to go, Wow, what
a steal that player was. And so to me give
me the opportunity. If you tell me I could get
at seventy six, I could get the twelfth player off
my board. I don't care how good Ted McMillan is.
I'm I'm I'm happy with the way that went.

Speaker 5 (35:42):
Can I give you a scenario, yes, because I think
if they trade up and they lose their third and
their fourth, I think they definitely bail out of their
second round. They trade back and they pick up a
fourth is what I think. They do everything they can
to pick up that. They were trying to do that anyway,
So I think it becomes more would you then want McMillan,
And then when they move back in the second they
probably take Revel because I would imagine as Iraku is

(36:03):
off the board, and then the fourth you're taking Sampson,
I would guess somebody like Dylan Sampson. So then the
question I think becomes McMillan Revel Samson or Booker Revel
as Iraku.

Speaker 2 (36:17):
Yeah, that's what they got.

Speaker 5 (36:21):
I like, I think I'd stick with what they got
to ye, I was.

Speaker 7 (36:24):
Sure that they like Sampson as much as I mean.

Speaker 5 (36:27):
I think, I think, I think where they would have
to move back in order to pick up capital at
that point in probably back half of the fourth round,
Samson's probably close to the running back that they would
have taken. Sampson Blue statement still may have been in conversation.

Speaker 7 (36:40):
That's what I was wondering. If Blue has still been
in the conversation.

Speaker 3 (36:43):
Tit tit would have been fun, But I would need
a jmar Chase type wide receiver like type due to
make me feel good about moving on from the holiday week.

Speaker 5 (36:52):
I think Tet was relatively around the same great as Booker.
It's just Tet was the need like I think that.
I don't think it's like Ted was just generational above
what they were looking at Booker.

Speaker 4 (37:04):
I heard the same kind of thing, like they were
very close together on this.

Speaker 8 (37:07):
It's Nick Millan would have won out. Its very clear
the way that their bored. It's very clear that that
that what happened. Did He obviously was the second he
was behind McMillan and very close. There there was you know,
there was people between and Booker happened to be between
their top wide receiver and the next best wide receiver.

Speaker 3 (37:24):
Yeah, let me tell you what.

Speaker 4 (37:25):
Let it may have been a bigger gap than we
thought it actually absolutely.

Speaker 3 (37:28):
Let me just tell you what I don't like about Tit.
Then I'm asking a cowboy question. He really don't like
to be called tit. Like he was on the red
Carbet talking to the lady with microphones. It's like, yeah,
I don't like when people called me Ted. I don't
know where they come from. Well, your name tedoroa? What
you mean?

Speaker 5 (37:46):
Because he went by t Mac that's what so that's
the short name. In his opinion, it's team.

Speaker 3 (37:50):
If your name is Bobby is Robert. But if your
name is Bobby, if we call you Bob, that's where
Bob come from.

Speaker 5 (37:55):
Yeah, it makes sense. I see the connection for sure.

Speaker 2 (37:58):
He like, where did it come from?

Speaker 6 (38:00):
Like?

Speaker 2 (38:00):
Why is that?

Speaker 7 (38:00):
Why?

Speaker 3 (38:01):
Why here y'all call me tick boy?

Speaker 2 (38:03):
Your name is Tararroa.

Speaker 3 (38:04):
He would, he would, he would, He would never be
a good leader or teammate thinking like that, Anti don't
watch film, But let me ask you this.

Speaker 2 (38:10):
Yeah, good luck in Carolina, guys, Yeah, good luck real quick.

Speaker 7 (38:14):
Did you think Carolina was going to take him?

Speaker 3 (38:16):
No?

Speaker 2 (38:16):
No, I had no clue.

Speaker 8 (38:17):
See, but we should have thought that after watching Dallas
play Carolina last year at wide receiver.

Speaker 5 (38:23):
I mean, they just invested a big pick and Mingo
and then traded him and so they clearly had an opening.

Speaker 3 (38:28):
Do you guys think that the Cowboys I'm talking about
corner now now we're back on Reveel. Do you guys
think that the Cowboys are going to attempt to make
a big three at corner or is Reveel supposed to
be diggs insurance while we while they pay bling? Yeah?

Speaker 5 (38:41):
I think some guys need to be unnoticed.

Speaker 2 (38:42):
It's kind of both.

Speaker 8 (38:43):
I think I think they need to be unnoticed. I
agree with Bobby on that one.

Speaker 3 (38:47):
Yeah, because Diggs is hurting, I don't know when Diggs
is coming back. Are we ever going to see those
three on the field at the same.

Speaker 2 (38:52):
Time we didn't see them with Jordan.

Speaker 3 (38:54):
Lewis had a proper big three where the corner or
wide receiver we never get to see.

Speaker 2 (38:58):
They never get to see him together.

Speaker 5 (38:59):
Yeah, I think when Diggs comes back and you've got Diggs,
Bland and reveled. Yeah, I think I think Cream's gonna
rise at the top and somebody's probably gonna be on
their way out at at the end of that.

Speaker 2 (39:08):
That's gonna suck.

Speaker 7 (39:09):
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thing on day three, though. We had a lot of
decisions made on day three to try and fill some
of the needs that weren't necessarily taken in day one
or two. When we come back, who was the best
value on day three and who could be the most
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Speaker 5 (42:15):
I'm bittersweet, I'm sad Zach had to cancel. I know
that he's no longer here. The jay Toya was in
the building and they said that he couldn't be around him.

Speaker 3 (42:23):
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Speaker 5 (42:27):
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Speaker 2 (42:48):
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Speaker 3 (42:50):
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Speaker 3 (42:55):
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Speaker 5 (42:59):
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on the station already. So yeah, that's that's getting run
into the ground. I feel for him, just like Zach's reputation.

Speaker 2 (43:11):
Give me.

Speaker 7 (43:12):
The funny thing for me was was Nick not listening?
Yeah yeah, yeah, that was fine.

Speaker 8 (43:17):
I just you know, I mean, like like you sit there.
Zach just kind of gave a really nice great down breakdown.
The guy Rugby family got full and then and then
all of a sudden, Nick just kind of goes into
the same rundown.

Speaker 2 (43:29):
He was so confident.

Speaker 3 (43:31):
He come from a rugby family.

Speaker 4 (43:33):
Let me tell you about this guy. It was how
you started it. It's like everybody just kind of looked down, like,
what are you doing near bro?

Speaker 5 (43:40):
That was honestly the I was six Saturday morning. I
think it was actually because I chugged like probably the
more energy drinks the night before and it destroyed it.
But I was saying when I heard that interview in
the seventh round, I was like, this is the moment
I've most been upset that I'm not there today because
I would make this last hour. Zach would cry.

Speaker 7 (43:59):
He may have already, Yeah, we don't.

Speaker 5 (44:01):
It's a lot He's a crier.

Speaker 2 (44:02):
He's a crier. Man.

Speaker 4 (44:04):
It was a lot of fun. We appreciate all those
that tuned in and stayed. We got all the tweets
as as two fifty seven rolled across, Mister Irrelevant walked
the stage, and man, it's always a blast. Day three
and we get to the point where it's loopy. Yeah,
we're just we're losing it. All of our exhaustion from
the previous two days catches up to us and we

(44:24):
just we got to survive on the air without getting canceled, Zach,
but no, it's been it's been a whole lot of fun,
and this is such an incredible journey year in and
year out. Let's wrap it up by talking Day five
and the draft picks that were for the Cowboys. I'll
run them down real quick, just for those who may
have either missed it or forgotten by now.

Speaker 2 (44:45):
Fifth round they had two selections.

Speaker 4 (44:46):
Jaden Blue, running back from Texas was the first, and
then they traded up. They traded their sixth round pick
to come up and get Shamar James, linebacker from Florida.
Remaining with one sixth round pick, they used it on
a Johnny Cornelius, the offensive lineup or offensive lineman from Oregon,
and then Jay Toya, Zach's favorite player, defensive tackle from UCLA,

(45:06):
Phil MafA, running back from Clemson, and then Tommy king
Basote from Maryland to defensive tackle. The three seventh round picks.
Let me start by asking who do you feel like
has the best chance to contribute in twenty twenty.

Speaker 2 (45:23):
Five out of this group of players.

Speaker 4 (45:25):
Because it could be a number of them they address
need double dip the running back, double dipped the defensive
tackle added some in the trenches. Where do you feel
like the best chance to contribute would be both jays?

Speaker 3 (45:37):
Jayda On Blue is going to make this offensive fast,
this offense fast, really fast. And I think Ja Toya
Toya toy eya Toya. I think j Toya is going
to be your big body run d guy, you know,
shouts out to Masi, Man, we still got to see
you know him as a complete player. Talking to coach
white Cotte, you know he doesn't have a tight necessary

(46:00):
early but having different body types and different guys are
are gonna have different jobs. Cool. I can imagine that
out of all the guys in their room, your best
run defending type, you know, D tackle, it's probably Ja
toe one because of the size shore but his effort
and him moving around, you know, for his size, he
has some great movement for his size. So I see

(46:21):
him as like a day one, go be big in there,
run defense type guy. And besides, I think everybody's gonna
have to get in where they fit in. I'm really
curious to see how how James fits, but I'm gonna
have to rewatch him with with cowboy eyes. You know
how you how you watch a guy for all thirty
two teams and then you hear the Cowboys say, well,
you know, we look at him as a pass rushing
you'll probably be a will linebacker type guy. So now

(46:42):
I got to go back and watch him as a
pass rusher, will linebacker type dude, not just as a
linebacker for everybody.

Speaker 4 (46:47):
But thize with with hebra flu size, he was the
one kind of driving the force behind that picker.

Speaker 3 (46:53):
And they and they traded up to go get him.
And I was like, Hey, this guy that I had
in my seventh round picks or whatever, y'all traded up
to go get him in the fifth. So now I
got to watch some cowboy ass to see what they
see in them.

Speaker 8 (47:04):
Soya makes it's going to be, I think right off
the jump, you're going to know how good he is
when we get to training camp and all of a
sudden he's lining up against with Booker Tyler Smith and
and you know, and you're in BBI, and how he
handles that. You know, if we see him in those
drills in the nine on seven periods, the run periods,

(47:25):
the team periods where you know, the balls not getting
inside or they're kind of having to bounce or it
gets kind of muddy in the middle of that defense,
and he's holding up against those powerful guards and center man.
That would be that would be a great sign for me,
you know. And maybe they'll get the scrimmage against the
Rams again, or maybe the Chargers will come over and

(47:46):
we'll get to see him get to work against some
other guys. But I think you'll you'll see very early
because he either he is going to show up or
those guys that I just mentioned are going to wear
him out, you know, because of how they play. So
I think you'll have a very good indication of.

Speaker 7 (48:03):
How he can help. I think he's absolutely.

Speaker 8 (48:05):
Going to push Mozzie Smith for I think I don't
think Mozzie Smith could show up and roll his helmet
out there and think that he's got this job.

Speaker 7 (48:12):
Yeah, because if.

Speaker 8 (48:13):
He if you know, like I say, he could get
he could just get just as exposed by Booker and
Smith and BB and others as well. He needs to
come in and not have every practice where somebody has
to put their arm around him and say it's okay,
big fellow, we'll get him tomorrow kind of a thing. No,
it's time for him to grow up and go out

(48:34):
there and and be a force.

Speaker 7 (48:36):
And maybe maybe.

Speaker 8 (48:37):
That's just not in his DNA. And if it's not
his DNA, then I could see this team absolutely moving on.
Maybe not this year, but I don't think his status
is you know, will be submitted. Maybe if we get
to twenty twenty six.

Speaker 5 (48:51):
Well said, yeah, Toya and Blue are the ones that
stand out. Like they said, I mean Blue probably more so.
So I'm gonna I'm not jump full on board yet,
but I think we did see there were a couple
different games last year where Mazi flashed.

Speaker 8 (49:05):
Against nfcas to Poe York Giants, played some of his
best football.

Speaker 5 (49:09):
And so I'm at least looking at that and saying,
I wonder if there's enough there and Aaron Whitecott and
being a guy whose reputation across the league as somebody
who gets the most up players, then I'm at least
a little more optimistic, I guess than you guys. Not
not banking on it, but a little more optimistic that
it's possible. Whereas on the other side, you don't have
anybody like Jayden Blue before he picked him. He's he's new,

(49:32):
he's unique, and I mean Shoddy has talked about when
he was asked an indie what do you look for
in a running back, and one of the top things
to him was pass catching ability and the things that
you can do with Jayden Blue in the slot on
swing passes, the things he can do as a runner,
the type of juice he brings. I think Jaden Blue
is going to be given an opportunity to contribute heavily

(49:54):
right away. I don't think he's Bell Coow and just
taking everything, but I mean he's going to be He's
going to be used. It's not a small guy, no.

Speaker 8 (50:01):
I mean he's short, but he's not a He's not
a he's not a five you know, he's not a
five nine.

Speaker 7 (50:08):
He's a you know change. Yeah, he's he's six.

Speaker 2 (50:11):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (50:11):
I don't I don't think he's going to be a
game day in active. I don't think he's going to
be you know, active but not really getting any touches.
I think he'll be used probably similarly to how he's
used at Texas when Texas had all their healthy running backs.
Like that's the kind of workload that he's going to
get and that's that's something that if he can produce,
which I think he's capable of, then he can make
an impact pretty quickly.

Speaker 4 (50:32):
I like the way you kind of outlined it because
a lot of people are looking at a fifth round
running back and saying, oh, he has a chance to
contend for a starting job. Who's going to be the
starter up front for running back? You're going to get
a different look from these guys. There's not going to
be one consensus starting running back out of this group.
You're going to use them in specific spots and kind
of use Williams here or Sanders there, or Blue there

(50:55):
or Lipke there. However it ends up being from a
running back standpoint, maybe MafA fits into the mix. If
he has a great training camp as well, there's a
chance for him to make the roster and have some
legitimate production. But he's got to get to that point first.
You guys mentioned Toya at training camp and what he
could show immediately. I can already see Cowboys Nation reacting
on social and being super upset when he just mauls.

Speaker 2 (51:19):
A guard Mars.

Speaker 4 (51:20):
He goes to Tyler Booker and he wins a rep
against Tyler Booker and it's tweeted out and everybody's gonna
be like, oh, Tyler Booker has having a bad camp boy.

Speaker 3 (51:28):
If I know a Booker, man, he coming right.

Speaker 2 (51:29):
Man, he's gonna get him on the next rip.

Speaker 4 (51:32):
But Toya has a chance to really do something out
of that one tech spot at that.

Speaker 7 (51:38):
You don't zero or one.

Speaker 8 (51:39):
I mean, this guy's not going to be a great
pass rusher, but what he's going to be is you
put him head up. He has a problem to deal with,
a little bit of a shorter armed guy, but man,
he plays with a lot of power. He faces all
kinds of blocks and plays them all well. He's at
three point forty two. He is a very hard guy
to move off the ball.

Speaker 4 (51:58):
What do you think about the h the other guys
now that you've gotten to see him a little bit.
Has anybody watched Phil MafA or King Basote since they
were they were picked and kind of what what are
some of the thoughts along the way with those guys.

Speaker 3 (52:10):
I was a little underwhelmed with with MafA. I think
the first thing that you have to do is take
him out of those shotgun runs.

Speaker 6 (52:17):
Man.

Speaker 3 (52:18):
I can't stand I can't stand a powerful runner being
being stuck in that.

Speaker 2 (52:24):
But put him in the eye.

Speaker 3 (52:25):
Yeah, yeah, I thought I thought he was at his
best when he was running forward and running through people.
He's two hundred and thirty five pounds, four pound whatever
it was. He's at his best when he's moving straight forward.
He he likes to dance. Stop dancing, guy, run directly
into people. He likes to, you know, make some cuts
and try to read and really figure it out. My guy,

(52:47):
even if you got to run over your offensive line
and just run forward, that's all you do. I felt like,
even as a blocker, I was kind of upset that
I felt like jayda On Blue was a better blocker
than him because Toaya loves to try to cut people. Sir,
you're six foot two thirds. Hit people square. You'll be fine,
I promise. But I think he's a guy if you
just tweak his game just a little bit, that's what
coaching is for. Take him out of those shotgun runs.

(53:09):
Just pat him on the back and say, sirch just
forward and when you're blocking, stand straight up, square hit people.
I think he doesn't have a problem blocking people. He
doesn't have a problem, you know, getting to the blocker.
He just chops people once he gets there. I hate
that for being a six foot, three hundred and twenty
five pound running back. But if he's gonna be your
thumpy guy, Javonte Williams is gonna have something to say
about that. Ye, he's your your thumping guy right now.

(53:31):
And Williams is a much better pass catcher and blocker
right now. So Martha's gonna have to fight for his
life here. But where Blue has the advantages that he's
a bigger deuce van and dude's gonna have to fight
for his So the running backs have two different paths
to freedoms here. Of course Blue has the easier or
the clearer path, But I think MAF's got a little
bit of work to do. But he was cool just

(53:52):
seventh round guy.

Speaker 8 (53:53):
Yeah, you know, to me, I was I was kind
of looking more like the guys Martinez got picked in
the seventh round. Crosskey Merritt got picked right behind you.
I mean literally, Yeah, Allen was Syracuse was picked in
the seventh round. Maybe those guys a little bit more.
I thought we might have been a little bit better pairing,
And I think Vouch is right. Though you could watch

(54:14):
some Clemson tape. My man had some alleys to run
through Clemson do a good job coming off the football
and blocking people and him having the path to go through.
But there were a couple of times where watching the
Florida State game, he just completely ran over the safety,
you know, to make a gain. So he needs to
embrace the physicality that he plays with that that that
if he's going to try and be dancing guy and

(54:36):
and just you know it take his time to get
through the hole, there's gonna be some problems there.

Speaker 5 (54:42):
I had, So I agree. I think you saw basically
a seventh round pick on tape, like when you watch
the Clemson stuff. But I will say that I'm I've
got a slight I've got I've got a slight correction
to what I saw on tape. I guess because after
asking around from a few people and watching the twenty
four tape, I was told he was hurt the entire time.

Speaker 2 (54:59):
They said he had anger.

Speaker 5 (55:00):
So yea that they said he played hurt the whole year.
So I don't know if he's just is he so
banged up so he's trying to avoid some of that
physicality because he's already bruised.

Speaker 8 (55:08):
Oh, he's runned over some people. Though you can watch
some games where he physically will run over folks.

Speaker 5 (55:12):
So he's I mean, like he's I think he's a
fine contributor, but like you watch him on tape and
I just go, yeah, that's a guy you taking the
seventh round and just see what sticks.

Speaker 8 (55:20):
Maybe because we thought we, you know, we had a
better idea of the guys. I mentioned the crosskey Merrits
and yeah, Allen's.

Speaker 3 (55:27):
And guys Martinez don't cut Martinez.

Speaker 2 (55:29):
Yeah he smokes people. Yeah, and he still had more production.

Speaker 4 (55:33):
He didn't have more yards per carry than he had
in twenty twenty three, but in twenty twenty four he
had more production overall than he did the year before that.
They used him in the red zone a lot. In
twenty twenty three, had thirteen touchdowns compared to eight last year.
He's not your home run threat. Your home run threat
is Jaden Blue.

Speaker 3 (55:49):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (55:49):
This is a short yardage back for the most part,
at least the start, and if he can break something
a little bit more than that, and he can utilize
the pass protection element with his size and take a
step forward literally in running forward. I agree with Watch
on that point as well. You can't dance behind the
line of scrimmage, go laterally. That's not his game. His
game is downhill and play with it. I think MafA

(56:13):
has a shot to It's a crowded room though, that's
the only thing, and so you give it a shot.
You see what he can have a training camp and
then you go from there.

Speaker 8 (56:20):
I kind of feel like that him and our Maryland
defensive tackle probably practice squad type guys.

Speaker 2 (56:27):
Probably What did you see in him?

Speaker 7 (56:29):
You know what?

Speaker 8 (56:30):
I to me, I wasn't super impressed as with I
worry a little bit. I think he's laid off the
ball and you know, and I think we need to
kind of speed him up that way.

Speaker 7 (56:40):
I think he could play the one. I think he
could play the three.

Speaker 8 (56:43):
He'll try and throw some pass rous moves and stuff
on you, but he'll get stuck on blocks. He's a
little bit like when we talk about the guys that
start stop and then they get stopped again and they're
trying to re It's really really hard for him to
do that. I could see him playing down the line
of scrimmage. There were a couple of games where he
was able to make that tackle for loss, just working
down the line of scrimmage. But he's he's he's really

(57:05):
laid off the ball, and so those are the types
of things I worry about. Is he not is he
not able to see it?

Speaker 2 (57:11):
Is you know?

Speaker 7 (57:12):
Is he getting distracted? What's happening there?

Speaker 8 (57:14):
The size and all that, He's a big upper body
guy and kind of got like a slimber lower body,
which allows him to have the ability to move around
and stuff. But man, he is going to have to
lear him to come off the ball quicker and come
with a little bit more pass rush, moves, play with
his hands a little bit better. I just kind of
feel like though, with a with a crowded room, he's
going to have a hard time making this football team.

(57:36):
And I could see actually him being on a practice squad.

Speaker 3 (57:39):
Got some length though, and he does and when he
did make plays, it was him using his length. He
just doesn't do it all the time. Brian makes a
great point. He's just a little late, just a just
a just a tick late. But when he was on
time and he came off the ball, he uses length
and he stacked and shit in and extended. That's when
he was really good. He just didn't do that all
the time. You would much rather watch Jordan Phillips if
you're gonna watch Maryland. But if the if they were

(58:02):
excited about him, like just the cam or whatever, they
were high five and all that. So he has a
sponsor in the room, whoever that may be, could be
white Kotten if they if they coach him into something.
And look, we have proof of white Ktt and coaching
people that we didn't think would be great into solid players.
So we'll see. But like you said, and me and
Brian thought about this last night, the D line room

(58:23):
is deep right now, Like there's about sixteen guys in
there that can make the team, possibly can be around
or have you know played before. So the D line altogether,
they're gonna have to figure all this out.

Speaker 4 (58:34):
Well, I think he benefits from a I know there's
a lot of bodies in there defensive tackle, but there's
a lot of uncertainty in the defensive tackle room. So
unlike a Phil Maffa who's a seventh round pick at
running back or and where he could fit in the
running back room that's crowded with veterans and draft picks
now and a couple other guys, they can have a

(58:55):
defensive tackle that could sneak his way onto the back
end of the roster as long as he does the
right thing and.

Speaker 2 (59:00):
Hills the void.

Speaker 4 (59:01):
Still a long way to go for a lot of
those guys, and probably practice squad is a little more
likely as they get into it.

Speaker 2 (59:06):
All right, that's gonna do it for us, Bobby.

Speaker 3 (59:09):
It was good having you back today.

Speaker 2 (59:10):
We missed you on day three.

Speaker 3 (59:11):
Thanks.

Speaker 5 (59:11):
Yeah, I was, I was. I was glued to my bathroom.

Speaker 7 (59:14):
Have a tradition if you're not showing up on day three.

Speaker 2 (59:16):
Damn, I was here. Maybe maybe less energy drinks this
time around.

Speaker 5 (59:22):
I was here last year and finished my point.

Speaker 3 (59:25):
Brian Man, let me let me just say, man, this
has been the coolest thing that I've ever had an
opportunity to do. Shots out to everybody that you know,
put their arms around me and let old YouTuber in
the building to come here and talk about some draft
man shots out of my Rookie Pott and brother Thomas
Yarrish there. You know what I'm saying. I'm Booker, He's Donovan.

(59:46):
You know what I mean, And you know appreciate y'all.
You know, this is a show that I've been watching
for ten years and being this is this is a
show that I've been watching for ten years, even when
I was a PiZZ Hut employee.

Speaker 2 (59:57):
Smelled like dirty dishwater.

Speaker 3 (59:58):
Now I get to bust his suit out close out
the draft, So I appreciate you. And if there's anybody
that that never known who I was and my audience
that come in to chat and bother, hell at y'all.
Sorry about them, but they but they travel with me,
you know what I'm saying. So hopefully when you watch
me and Brian's podcast on my YouTube channel Vace Lombard
and voc HLO NBA r DA, y'all will follow us
around too. So appreciate y'all for tuning it.

Speaker 2 (01:00:20):
And you can slow down the YouTube clip there and
just play it over and over so you can get
all those letters in there too. Bas Lombard, it's pretty
easy to spell.

Speaker 11 (01:00:29):
Watch.

Speaker 4 (01:00:29):
It's been a whole lot of fun. Like you said,
you and Tommy have killed it. You're number one. Can't
wait to have you on again next year too, and
really roll into the twenty twenty six draft, hopefully with
the Cowboys picking thirty second overall.

Speaker 2 (01:00:41):
I think that would be a lot of fun if
we can get there.

Speaker 7 (01:00:43):
Brian Pleasure as a thank you guys.

Speaker 2 (01:00:45):
Great job.

Speaker 4 (01:00:46):
Zach Wolchuck who's not here. Sorry about the Hakka, but
you were fantastic too. We love you Bobby again. Great
to have you back today.

Speaker 5 (01:00:53):
Thank you. Kyle did a good job this year.

Speaker 2 (01:00:55):
Thanks guys. It was good to be back for the
draft weekend.

Speaker 4 (01:00:57):
I missed it last year with the babies at home,
but now it's now it's back to normal. Chris Beam
in the pack and everybody who helped have their hands
on this throughout the draft process, whether it was cutting,
b role, editing, video clipping, interviews, all that stuff. We
appreciate everybody that was here for it. Along the ride.
For one final time for Vox Lombardi, Brian brought us
Bobby Bell Chris Beam in the back of Kyle Yeoman

(01:01:18):
saying so long from the Draft show. We'll see you
for the twenty twenty six draft in Pittsburgh.

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This has been a production of Dallascowboys dot Com and
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