Draft Show: Combine Convos

The 2025 NFL Scouting Combine is underway, which means that information is flying around. It also gives the opportunity to welcome a familiar face, Iisha Morrison back to the show!

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Speaker 1 (00:04):
Is the Dallascowboys dot Com Draft Show, your war room
for insider news and draft analysis from deep within the
confines of Cowboys Headquarters at the Star Infrasco.

Speaker 2 (00:17):
And now your host, Kyle Yeomans.

Speaker 3 (00:22):
Today is Tuesday, February twenty fifth, twenty twenty five, and
we are fifty eight days away from the NFL Draft
in Green Bay, Wisconsin. Welcome into the Draft Show, presented
by Miller Light, the only beer of the Dallas Cowboys.
It's Miller Time. It's also NFL Combined time. Players hit
the field in Indianapolis at Lucas Oil Stadium this week.

(00:45):
We are so excited to have something to talk about
when it comes to the finality of these players. And
with that being said, we've got a lot of our
groups spread out across the country right now. We've got
some individuals in Indianapolis like Tommy and Nick. We've got
some individuals in Arizona for Ranger spring training like Zach
and Brian and Bobby. So we've got one of the

(01:07):
best to ever do it on the Draft Show, Vatch
Lombardi back.

Speaker 4 (01:12):
Here, Fotch.

Speaker 3 (01:14):
You know, We've got Aiasha Morrison back on the show
for the first time this year, I arnicles. I cannot
tell you how excited those that have been watching have
been on the mentions and on the Twitter waves and
the YouTube waves to get you back in the fold.

Speaker 2 (01:30):
Welcome back, Doug.

Speaker 4 (01:31):
I was seeing all the mentions people have been messaging me.

Speaker 3 (01:33):
I was like, did you feel a little pressure?

Speaker 4 (01:36):
Yes, star power, I'm gonna keep it the thousand on here.

Speaker 5 (01:40):
Yes.

Speaker 3 (01:41):
I mean, I'm like, y'all, you ever had people like
getting excited to have you on a show like that?

Speaker 6 (01:46):
Means they cussing me and tell me I don't know what
I'm talking about. They don't like me like that?

Speaker 4 (01:50):
Why you gotta be faking like that? Do you know
people like you?

Speaker 7 (01:54):
They tolerate me. They they put up with me. You
know like you you are you are a star are
to Aha, I'm not.

Speaker 6 (02:01):
One of those.

Speaker 4 (02:02):
It's nice to be back. The Draft Show means a
lot to me.

Speaker 8 (02:05):
Yeah, I definitely have some fomo not being in it,
But I've been paying attention to you guys. Get some
insight from you guys. It's been different for me because
you know, with the Draft Show is like I think
I have I'm going at a different pace this year,
which I actually am excited about because it's allowing me
to even go even more in depth than what I
was before.

Speaker 4 (02:25):
So I'm happy to be here, happy to talk about.

Speaker 3 (02:27):
With you guys, no doubt about it. And you and
I have taken a trip to the Combine together before,
so you know what that process is like. You were
at the Senior Bowl, so we got to catch up
with you out there for a little bit and mobiles,
so you know what that's like. I mean, you have
the experience, and you have the background now, and you're
an experienced NFL draft analyst vet in your own right,
so I kind of want to ask you just generalities

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of this draft class. I mean, what are some of
the things that you've kind of latched onto and seen
across the way whenever you're doing your research. What's your
general feel about what twenty twenty five looks like.

Speaker 8 (03:00):
I'm obviously one of the best running back classes we
have seen in a while. I think you can grab
a guy in the third, fourth, maybe fifth, and like
maybe beginning of the fifth and be like, you know what,
this guy can actually come in and play. Obviously, we
talked about the defensive tackle position and all the versatility
that is there.

Speaker 4 (03:15):
I also too, like I.

Speaker 8 (03:16):
Know, we're not gonna talk about it much today because
you know, it's a quarterback is quarterback, but I think
some of the gentlemen that you know, this quarterback class
is some a class that people have been down on.
But as you look within in the games and some
of those things, like, you do see some guys that
you're like, Okay, well maybe he will be, you know,
a bout Knicks type guy or have that type of impact.
So for me, it's really the running back class, the

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defensive tackle class, and also too, I do think there's
some good guards out there.

Speaker 4 (03:43):
Now.

Speaker 8 (03:44):
It's not obviously not as rich as it was with
TA the tackle position as it was last year and
things like that, but m one of my things is
there's a lot of tackles in.

Speaker 4 (03:52):
Disguise, a lot of guards in disguise as tackles.

Speaker 6 (03:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (03:55):
So yeah, and.

Speaker 8 (03:56):
That's again I'm still very fresh in my study, but
those are some of the things I've noticed so far.

Speaker 6 (04:00):
What y'all got, may I please? Right?

Speaker 7 (04:03):
You know, we even got in our little group chat
situation texting about quarterbacks and I was like, by a humbug,
I'm not here for quarterbacks, but the Cowboys probably have
to do something as far as young quarterbacks go.

Speaker 6 (04:14):
Is that even something that y'all are on board?

Speaker 8 (04:15):
Where?

Speaker 7 (04:16):
And look, they don't care nothing about us, right, but
we got knees, we got stuff that I would like
to have, And Brother Jones came out and said, yeah,
we would likely entertain the trade and that could be
mean to trade in a fifth or sixth round pick
to go get like a veteran or something like that.
Do y'all even think that, Like, do y'all think that
it's room to draft a young quarterback just to sit
down and develop. With Dak Prescott having four years under

(04:37):
his contract coming up, Like, is that even worth it?

Speaker 8 (04:40):
I kind of get your thinking with all the other
needs you have, because hater tots.

Speaker 6 (04:44):
Give me another lineback's heavy.

Speaker 8 (04:46):
I mean, the amount of guys you're gonna have to
especially with the injuries and then possibly resigning guys. But
I also will say, like, I think we saw that
David Moore reported that, you know, maybe.

Speaker 4 (04:56):
They're not gonna sign back Trey Lance.

Speaker 8 (04:58):
So then it's like I saw a lot of people
comments on my post about Okay.

Speaker 4 (05:01):
Well what about Will Grier? He's on the rosters.

Speaker 3 (05:04):
He's there, so I.

Speaker 8 (05:05):
Would you is Will Grier an upgrade that If that
gets hurt, I'm going back in the draft mode for
twenty twenty six late, all right, And that would be
the reason why maybe they would be cool to get
in a quarterback in the later rounds.

Speaker 4 (05:19):
I can't think of anything other that's.

Speaker 6 (05:20):
The key though.

Speaker 3 (05:21):
It's got to be the letter. Later rounds. We're not
talking top one hundred picks. We're not talking first, second,
third round. If you wanted to trade for a veteran
and make a move and package one of the four
fourth or fifth round picks you're gonna have, sure, maybe
you could do that. I don't have any names that
even I would throw out there, even if I was
able to tamper and throw it out there, I don't
have anybody that I would want. But the if you

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wanted to maybe entertain that option with the fifth round pick, sixth,
seventh round picks that you have aboard, I'm I'm here
for it. I'm not here for another premium pick. You've
already wasted one fourth round pick. Yeah, because right now
it is, it's a waste. Trey Lance was a wasted
You tried it. You saw what he had, you thought
maybe you struck gold, And if you're not going to

(06:06):
resign them, then then it's west, plain and simple. So
I don't want to do that again. I'm okay with
talking about later picks and throwing some out there, but
right now, when he said that yesterday, I get the
general sense that they would throw a dart at the
board maybe in the sixth or seventh.

Speaker 7 (06:21):
Round question because I'm just not sure. There's an imaginary
team on the West coast allegedly allegedly and boy they
just got I'm just assuming they got this Pro Bowl
pass catcher type character.

Speaker 6 (06:34):
Yeah, Like, is that a trade situation or is he
a free agent guy?

Speaker 3 (06:37):
That would be a trade situation.

Speaker 7 (06:39):
So would you rather Okay, somebody come and just said,
would you rather like Kyle McCourt Syracuse, right, would you
rather him? Or would you rather send a five to
some miscellaneous team for a pass catch that can help you?

Speaker 3 (06:49):
I would rather do the second one.

Speaker 6 (06:50):
I don't even think it's room for like you both
of those.

Speaker 7 (06:52):
Though you got five, you got four to fives four fives, man,
I need some linebackers because we hurt. I would love
maybe like another running back just because the running back
class is so fit.

Speaker 3 (07:02):
Would you rather go get a veteran quarterack back, veteran
quarterback to back up Dak Prescott, or go get a
veteran linebacker to fill your linebacker room, because that's kind
of what you're deciding.

Speaker 8 (07:12):
Because I wonder what the veteran linebacker thing. I wonder
if there's even any interest in bringing back Kendricks. Obviously Kendricks,
like I felt like last year, he dealt with some injuries,
but towards the latter part of the season.

Speaker 4 (07:21):
I thought we saw him kind of come together and
play better.

Speaker 3 (07:23):
I wonder a thirty three year old linebacker, I wonder.

Speaker 8 (07:26):
If you can get him for the lo lol lolo
or whatever and bring him back.

Speaker 5 (07:29):
And as opposed to the lowe.

Speaker 7 (07:32):
That's very low, goodbye, that means super low, just as
low as you no knock the Kendricks.

Speaker 4 (07:39):
Don't get me, don't get me fired up.

Speaker 8 (07:40):
But I personally think some positions require veteran and I
am sick and tired of this linebacker corps always being
in limbo because you do not have a steady veteran
to teach these guys to mentor these guys. I mean,
and obviously we heard the players last year talk about

(08:01):
just even though Kendricks wasn't on the field all the time,
just the impact of having a veteran that's been there,
that's done it, that's seeing it.

Speaker 4 (08:08):
I'm ready for that.

Speaker 8 (08:09):
I think there's some key positions you need veterans in,
and to me that would be defensive tackle, and it
would be linebacker.

Speaker 6 (08:15):
Yeah, I'm with you.

Speaker 7 (08:16):
I'm I'm always going to like if I could take
a pick and get a veteran with his young team,
everybody's you know, curious about leadership and all that. I
would love to bring as many old auxiliary type dudes
I can bring, because look, if Dak was on like
some one year contract or something, right then, in my mind,
I'm going, okay, I'm gonna use one of these fives

(08:37):
as like a roll the dice, as like a you know,
like a lottery ticket type thing. Right that is here,
So if he's here, there's no young dude taking over
anytime soon. So it could be Kyle Youmans and i
Asha Morrison playing backup quarterbacks for me.

Speaker 6 (08:52):
You know what I'm saying, got.

Speaker 3 (08:53):
A cannon son't watch out.

Speaker 7 (08:54):
I don't if I need if I need a second
or third quarterback, I'm just not even interested anymore.

Speaker 3 (09:01):
I'm saying, if Dak is out, then you're out right,
if that is as a team, If Dak is out,
then you're already down.

Speaker 7 (09:08):
I don't think Will Grier is gonna win us the
last eight games. If something bad happens.

Speaker 8 (09:12):
That's how football go though, Like you lose your quarterback.

Speaker 3 (09:17):
The expectation drops significant.

Speaker 8 (09:19):
It drops significantly. But I will say too, and again
this is not my perspective. I'm just speaking with Dak
Prescott and some of the history that he's had, Like
some of the injuries have been freak injuries, but some
of them are just legitimate injuries.

Speaker 4 (09:35):
Is that something that they're thinking about.

Speaker 7 (09:36):
And if that's the case, they think about If that's
the case, I want to do what the Eagles did
and get like a Kenny Pickett type type character, right,
like a like a higher up here type backup guy,
but a fifth rounder shooting the dice on him to
come in save us. If that gets I'm not trying
to do that. So if I'm trying to find the best,
and they probably tried to do that. They sent them
forth to get Tray and they hope that Trey was
gonna turn into something that was gonna be.

Speaker 3 (09:58):
Something that was that stab it was.

Speaker 4 (10:00):
I guess I get that.

Speaker 7 (10:01):
So you know, if and if there's not one of
those dudes available, because it ain't even thirty two starting quarterbacks,
I like, so let alone go find some backups somewhere.
Unless you find me Jameis Winston or something, then I
can I can feel good like like like that type.

Speaker 6 (10:13):
Of dude, you know what I'm saying. But if it ain't.

Speaker 3 (10:15):
Somebody that's gonna add to your locker room, even if
he's not playing that kind of.

Speaker 6 (10:18):
Thing, James is gonna give us some damn content. You hear.

Speaker 4 (10:22):
Other sidelines gonna be the best it's ever.

Speaker 3 (10:27):
Alex Lilly, our editor in the back, is going to
be just beaming whenever we signed or trade for Jared.
I don't even know if is he a free agent.
I think he is, hell yeah, could be, who knows.

Speaker 7 (10:36):
But as far as them fives them fives, I'm drafting
another uh tackle on defense because that group is fantastic,
and drafting a running back. I'm sending that fifth to
go get a wire C from some damn team over there.
I don't know whatever, and hell with the fifth word
is your oyster?

Speaker 4 (10:51):
I have a question, man.

Speaker 8 (10:54):
So when you talk about Shoddy coming in and taking
over obviously as the head coach, there is a gentleman
that is somewhere in Pittsburgh that is I personally, I'm
not sure what his contract situation is, but I do
feel like he is kind of in the latter part
of his career.

Speaker 6 (11:12):
What alleged position he played.

Speaker 4 (11:14):
Huh, the the one that have the ball a lot?

Speaker 9 (11:19):
Oh?

Speaker 7 (11:19):
Okay, okay, okay, yeah, okay, Cowboys ride, cowboys ride?

Speaker 6 (11:24):
Yeah, okay?

Speaker 4 (11:25):
Would you be interested even in that?

Speaker 5 (11:27):
Like again, think Pittsburgh is interested in that.

Speaker 4 (11:30):
But are they?

Speaker 8 (11:32):
Are they interested in keeping him? Because I was listening
at the same bowl I have him my ears little
to the ground. It sounds like they might be over it.
So for me, it's like, if they're.

Speaker 4 (11:41):
Over it, there's history there with Shoddy and things like that.

Speaker 3 (11:44):
My question is who else did they have?

Speaker 6 (11:46):
I take the other one, Yeah, the.

Speaker 3 (11:48):
Nugget, the other alleged young one that likes horseshoes a
lot and played in one.

Speaker 8 (11:54):
But they're in a weird situation period right now at
that position to where I think they might be willing
to part ways with one of those humans if they are,
Are you interested in anyone of them?

Speaker 7 (12:03):
If that's my backup, they can have a five. They
can have a five if that's my feeling.

Speaker 8 (12:06):
Because I think both of those guys at this point
are in that range that you folks.

Speaker 4 (12:11):
Are talking about.

Speaker 3 (12:11):
I like that idea.

Speaker 6 (12:13):
I think.

Speaker 4 (12:13):
Okay, I just was starting out there.

Speaker 3 (12:15):
Yeah, the I love how like we have to talk
in like code because half of our listenership is probably like, wow,
that's what was really like? That was that was funny.

Speaker 6 (12:24):
How don't work man?

Speaker 3 (12:25):
And then the other then the other half is like,
what the hell are they talking about?

Speaker 6 (12:29):
The security? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (12:31):
Walking down? Uh No, all those players are free agents.

Speaker 7 (12:35):
Case oh so justin justin Field, yes, and Russell Wilson
can come right up in here.

Speaker 3 (12:41):
But that's what I was missing. I'm looking at the
list right now, buddy. I'm not up to speed on
on Pittsburgh's free agents.

Speaker 7 (12:48):
Russell Wilson making thirty eight dollars in Pittsburgh. They're not
gonna give him no money or whatever, you know what
I'm saying. So I think that'll be a prime you.

Speaker 3 (12:55):
Know what I'm saying, do you think would you rather
have one or the other?

Speaker 6 (12:58):
I would rather have Fields and Wilson rather have the nugget.

Speaker 7 (13:01):
I would have the youth for you what I want.
I think he's physically better right now. He doesn't have
all the processing stuff that Russell has in the experience.

Speaker 3 (13:08):
But and I also don't want the stupid like storylines
that would be around Russ at that, Yeah, because it
would be unbelievable.

Speaker 6 (13:17):
This is gonna be dumb.

Speaker 5 (13:18):
Regardless formidable that.

Speaker 8 (13:19):
I think he would be a formidable backup at this
point obviously either one still needing to develop, still needing
some time. I think Dak would be a good fit
for him. There are some similarities in their game. How
would he fit here.

Speaker 3 (13:31):
It's almost like taking the Trey Lance deal again, but
you're only sending a fifth instead of.

Speaker 8 (13:36):
A fourth, and I do, but I obviously there's more
playing time there, there's more experience there. He's played in
multiple systems. I think maybe that would be a good
start for that part.

Speaker 7 (13:46):
Justin Fields. In the well, you ain't got to send
a pick for him. So, yeah, he's better than any
quarterback you can get in Day three, especially in this draft.
This draft don't really stretch like that.

Speaker 10 (13:55):
Uh.

Speaker 7 (13:55):
Dylan Gabriel maybe a guy that you would assume because
you know, he's throwing some cool little pad, he's won
some games, whatever. But I'm you know, feels with the
athleticism in the arm.

Speaker 3 (14:03):
Could you pair Let me think of it this way.
I'm thinking back to BODENXT. You meant you brought him up.
One of the big pluses for boen X last year
is that he had his top college wide receiver go
with him to Denver. Is there a way you could
pair quarterbacks here with some of their bigger, uh more
utilized wide receivers. So like Dylan Gabriel, you can say,
Tess Johnson, Yeah, I think you know.

Speaker 6 (14:28):
I like to.

Speaker 8 (14:29):
But with Dylan Gabriel, one thing that I noticed at
the Senior Bowl, and this is something that I heard
numerous scouts say.

Speaker 4 (14:34):
Talk about his.

Speaker 8 (14:35):
Height, yeah, and the size obviously we talk about it,
but seeing it in real time, the guy can deliver
a ball. The guy has fantastic touch in those things,
but bebe he could not see over those offensive linemen
at the Senior Bowl. And I do think that that's
something that even we saw with.

Speaker 4 (14:53):
Bryce Young. We saw with Bryce Young, We've seen we
saw with Russell Wilson.

Speaker 5 (14:56):
Earlier in his career.

Speaker 8 (14:57):
Drew Brees is that those guys eventually adapt and they
figure it out, like it takes them a little time
to figure it out. I really like, I really enjoyed,
have enjoyed Dylan Grey Brown what he's able to do,
and obviously too, he knows how to distribute the ball
across the stars, which I wouldn't be opposed to him
in the later rounds either.

Speaker 7 (15:13):
I don't think there's anything wrong with going for the
older guy though, because we've been seeing this emergence of
the old man. Q just kind of coming back. You know,
Baker's having a.

Speaker 3 (15:21):
Business on that tam in California. I think, huh, there's
one on that team in California that you were talking about.

Speaker 6 (15:26):
He wants some money though, Yeah, my money ain't no
free agent.

Speaker 5 (15:29):
Yeah huh.

Speaker 3 (15:31):
We're making a reference back to the early part of
the episode.

Speaker 4 (15:34):
Yeah, we're talking about the Boombox people.

Speaker 6 (15:35):
Yes, yeah, no, no, no, no, no, no, no no. The
other California team.

Speaker 3 (15:39):
The one that happens to have like maybe a hypothetical
receiver that they are pass catcher that they want to
maybe like trade somewhere.

Speaker 7 (15:45):
He like thirty eight used to be in some some
Midwest team being California, and I just want a super Bowl.

Speaker 6 (15:50):
Its ago just allegedly.

Speaker 3 (15:53):
It doesn't matter picking it up.

Speaker 7 (15:56):
It just takes a long story short. I'm not drafting
quarterback in day three at is. I'm going to go
find defensive tackle because defensive tackle stretches.

Speaker 3 (16:03):
Yes, So what position group that you've watched, Ayisha, that
has that same caliber, that depth in this draft class
that you think Dallas can wait pass the first three
rounds on, Because that's been a lot of our conversation
is how do you spin those first three picks, first, second, third,
round twelve forty four to seventy six because you have

(16:24):
to wait. Now you luckily get to stack the back
half of your board and you get to throw a
lot of darts at the dark board. However, what position
even gives you confidence that it can get there?

Speaker 8 (16:35):
I think it's only like obviously to me would be
defensive tackle and maybe running back.

Speaker 4 (16:39):
I do get it.

Speaker 8 (16:40):
I'm gonna hurt when there is a run on running
backs in the fourth round. Ind but no, I think
with the defensive tackle class, like I know we're gonna
get to it, but I mean, even I think about
a guy like Josh Farmer, who I think is gonna
go a little later because some people have some questions
about him, But I again, like he's not super flashy.

Speaker 4 (16:59):
He does and always looks super pretty. But a player, you.

Speaker 8 (17:02):
Can add, that's going to have impact to me almost immediately.

Speaker 7 (17:06):
What you guys think, I will save my Farmer take
for the this or that, But you're absolutely right. But
just another unit that goes a little bit far. Just
looking at my at my board here, you saw all these.

Speaker 6 (17:17):
Edges I got.

Speaker 7 (17:18):
I was thinking the same thing. I got twenty six edges. Man,
And by the time we get to this, I can
only assume that some of your round three edges will
drop down the four in some of your round four
guys go to five. So by that time, you know,
Josiph Stewart, Michigan, Powell, Ryland, you know what I'm saying.
V take Joey Ivy like Jerry Ivy, joe Yavey, Joseph,

(17:38):
joe Ya, Joe. There's there's a there's a lot of
guys you Jared jarediy O Mess, There's a lot of
guys you could just lean on Tyler Bear in Miami.

Speaker 3 (17:45):
You know so, Hugh Robinson Alabama, A couple of these guys.

Speaker 4 (17:49):
I don't want to butcher his name, but the gentleman
out of U. C.

Speaker 3 (17:51):
L a Ola Ola de Joel.

Speaker 8 (17:55):
Seeing him at the at the Senior Bowl, y'all, yeah,
every day, I was like.

Speaker 4 (18:00):
In the world is ninety nine?

Speaker 8 (18:02):
Like his pops off the screen, so much power, not
super bendy, but still has good balance. He's another guy
that I think people are gonna be because the motor
is just it runs.

Speaker 6 (18:12):
He don't even know how to how to pass.

Speaker 3 (18:13):
Rich He's got he got switched. Oh yeah, this this
place in the background.

Speaker 7 (18:18):
Ye we got Phil, Yes, sir. He don't even know
how to pass. Russhit. This just all ball get off
burst as well. And he's fantastic in the run game
for a stand up uh you know, edgy type guy whatever.
I'm a big fan he is. I got him into four,
but I can see him going higher though. Somebody gonna
like him.

Speaker 6 (18:33):
Go ahead.

Speaker 3 (18:34):
Same thing he told us at the Senior Bowl that
he started as a linebacker, was recruited as a linebacker.
Even some teams will still list him as a linebacker.
But that man has an edge rusher, no doubt about it,
and I moved him. I had him kind of like
fourth or fifth round when before Senior Bowl, I had
him in the four, like four to five, that little
cheater grade back there, And when we saw him at

(18:56):
the Senior Bowl, I bumped him to a third. I'm
telling you, as an edge rusher, I think, like you said,
there's fundamental aspects of his game that aren't great. The handwork,
the footwork, the balance, the bend. But he has all
the natural ability if you could get him in the
right place and put him in the right position to
be successful where he's not doing that and he's not
playing off the second level and instead he's rushing from

(19:16):
the line of scrimmage. I think this dude's going to
be a monster.

Speaker 8 (19:18):
He's such a good mixture of power and speed, and
like you mentioned, he just working off of genetics to
be taught, like for someone to help him work his
hands more. I think he's going to be a problem.

Speaker 3 (19:31):
So yeah, any other late round edge that you kind
of keep your eye on. I mean, I know Baron
Sorell was a Texas edge rusher, a little undersized, but
he was somebody at the Senior Bowl that stuck out.
That would be somebody in the day three range for me.

Speaker 7 (19:45):
See man, At one point I did have him as
like a day three guy, but he just kept whopping folk.

Speaker 6 (19:51):
He kept where's he at?

Speaker 9 (19:52):
Now?

Speaker 6 (19:52):
He's a he's a he's a three for me. He's
he's a high three for me.

Speaker 3 (19:55):
It's sight these edges.

Speaker 7 (19:57):
The Currell Swinson Sawyer birching at or that where I
got him bunched up in there.

Speaker 3 (20:01):
But he's a you say, Josiah Stewart.

Speaker 6 (20:03):
Was Josiah Stu What you scrolling? Litte?

Speaker 7 (20:07):
Josiah is in the is in the fourth round for me,
and he has some good tape. Also, if you watch
his USC game, he gave those children fits. But if
you watch some of his other games, you kind of see, okay,
well this is where he's gonna have some some problems there.
But very athletic, get up field kind of guy. You know,
he's not a technically refined That's another theme too. A

(20:28):
lot of these guys aren't gonna be technically.

Speaker 8 (20:30):
Refined, and that's what people are looking for sure, and
they make me mad.

Speaker 7 (20:34):
Well, you can't have that, because why does it make
you mad? Why does it make you mad?

Speaker 8 (20:39):
Well, first of all, it's frustrating because I do think
that a lot of people are looking for the finished
product with some of these positions. Then I'm like, dog,
do you understand the detail and being a defensive end,
do you understand what they're asked to do on a
consistent basis. I appreciate the fact like seeing guys that
because I look at a guy like John Joyner out
of Minnesota, super tall, again, not a whole bunch of

(21:02):
bending things, but you can see that he has balance.
You can see that he obviously needs to improve some
of his hand movement, but the feeder quick, he has
some decent get off.

Speaker 4 (21:10):
Why not? Like, do we develop anymore out here?

Speaker 7 (21:13):
I ain't even seeing him, So you're just doing You're
doing your thing.

Speaker 4 (21:16):
Sometimes I just picked people, so look, this is my thing.

Speaker 3 (21:19):
Right, It's like Keanu Benton all over again out.

Speaker 4 (21:23):
Of no or like I'm a watch him today.

Speaker 6 (21:25):
I think you know whoever it is? You know me?

Speaker 7 (21:27):
You Kyle, you you kind of are either going to
be floora guy or girl or ceiling guy. Like it
just depends on what you like. I happen to be
floora guy, I like the Okay, you know how to
use your hands already, you know certain little techniques already,
I can kind of, you know, fix certain things.

Speaker 6 (21:42):
Right.

Speaker 7 (21:44):
Jack Sawry is a great example of that, Like he's
ready to go right now, and Mike Hail Williams from
George is like the opposite of that, right, he's all ceiling.
But my problem is when you're so ceiling, guy, I
want to see you feel when you're so ceiling, guy,
I want to at least see how you win right now,

(22:05):
you know what I'm saying. I want to see you win,
But then I want to see room to grow. So
princely uh mam and.

Speaker 3 (22:10):
Yelling umami, yelling, yep uma and yelling.

Speaker 7 (22:13):
He's a double digit set guy right now and he's
ceiling and he's got room to go.

Speaker 6 (22:18):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (22:19):
That's why he's a top pick. That's why he's a
guy that will probably sneak into the back half of
the first in my opinion, so second on my board,
but he'll probably be a pick in the first.

Speaker 7 (22:28):
So I don't have a problem with the with the
not refined guys, I at least just want to see
you Okay, show me how you win right now, and
then I could teach you everything like the nuances later
on or whatever.

Speaker 3 (22:38):
And I think you talked about it. When you're a scout,
you either see it as a floor, you see it
as a ceiling. I'm probably as a media scout myself,
I'm probably more so a ceiling guy because I'm looking
for traits and I'm also trying to pair it, like
you said, with production. As I'm riding my scouting reports
and putting it together, I'm looking at these guys and
it's like, Okay, Wow, they were all acc they were
all sec they were doing all American things. They are

(23:00):
putting it all together, but I just don't see the
ceiling side of it. Where that That's where the floor
comes in, and that's where you end up having these
guys that end up with phenomenal college careers, but they
don't fit in with certain teams and they start dropping
down boards and they end up having great careers. Jalen
Hurts was one of those guys. Jalen Hurts was guy
where you a lot of teams didn't see a ceiling,

(23:22):
but they didn't need one from Jalen.

Speaker 5 (23:23):
He had the floor don't start h please.

Speaker 3 (23:27):
Which is true. But guess what, but hey win with him,
they will they find a way to do it. And
so and he's not the only example. That's just the
first one that came to mind, because I know we've
talked about him on this show before. So there's there's
elements to the way you scout and that's just going
to continue to develop as the draft class goes on.

Speaker 8 (23:44):
A situational as well, Like a situational what type of
depth do you guy like?

Speaker 4 (23:48):
What type of guys you have?

Speaker 8 (23:50):
Again, to help these guys develop and to help these
guys become absolutely so.

Speaker 7 (23:56):
Give me a living, give me a living cow cow
Vin and we can go runt it. Just a guy
who's going to plan to leave for twelve years. Not
exciting at all, but just a hard working love ball.
Just I ain't got a gamble like Calvanoyd now is
who he was in Cottage Boy.

Speaker 5 (24:12):
I just love to like him.

Speaker 6 (24:14):
I love secures.

Speaker 3 (24:17):
All right, we gotta take our first break when we
come back. It's time for some Twitter on the twenty
with Ayisha and Vatch And as Voch likes to say,
when the film pops up on the film film film
I like it, all right. We'll be back with more
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(27:15):
you're with us. Before we get into some twitter on
the twenty watch, you're talking about how excited you are
about the film. This is your first year on the
Draft Show. Yes, you've watched the Draft Show in the past.
That doesn't just pop up, you know, like you you've
got the You've got the hard work of the people
in the back, Guys like Chris Beam, Scott Purcell, Jasmine Marshall,
Paul Bastidis, Victor's back there. And that's not even the

(27:37):
end of it. There's a whole group of people that
are constantly cutting film, so much so that here as
we stand, fifty eight days away from the NFL Draft
on February twenty fifth, we don't have quarterback film.

Speaker 6 (27:51):
The nerve of me to be like, got no specialty.

Speaker 3 (27:54):
You know what they've got. They've got long snapper film.
Vach Lombardi, Botch Lombardi. It's long snapper film. This is
Let me tell you a little bit about this guy.
This is Adam but Blankman, Brinkman, Brinkman. I mean, let
me tell you something about Brinkman.

Speaker 8 (28:09):
Man.

Speaker 7 (28:09):
I love how it stands. He got that right foot
behind his front foot. Look, I don't know.

Speaker 6 (28:13):
I didn't watch Brinkman dog.

Speaker 3 (28:14):
Come on, you haven't watched him yet. No, dude, you're
behind man.

Speaker 6 (28:18):
Special teams ain't real. That's not a position.

Speaker 4 (28:20):
What's that?

Speaker 3 (28:22):
What's that? The John foss On and Nick Scerton he'll work, John,
I'll working and all that.

Speaker 6 (28:27):
But man, Man, I got I got real football to
watse Man.

Speaker 3 (28:32):
This is a real football player, six foot four two
forty got a bel Air Maryland doing some work with
West Virginia.

Speaker 6 (28:37):
Well around you got him?

Speaker 8 (28:38):
Uh?

Speaker 3 (28:39):
The first absolutely.

Speaker 8 (28:41):
To what place do you have to be into draft
a long snapper?

Speaker 6 (28:45):
Uh, you gotta be you gotta be great, you gotta
want to see.

Speaker 3 (28:49):
Your team's gotta be really good.

Speaker 6 (28:51):
I was thinking, like, you gotta win five in a
row and you can do what you wanted.

Speaker 8 (28:56):
Gotta win draft and then be like, you know what,
matter of fact, you've got Alabama?

Speaker 3 (29:01):
How about Alabama punter film? Would you be interested in that?

Speaker 7 (29:04):
Last Your last name got to be Jones because ain't
nobody going to fire you for gobaz?

Speaker 4 (29:11):
Oh my goodness, I want to all get fired.

Speaker 3 (29:13):
I've got a I've got a scouting report on the
on the Alabama punter. Me two seconds, Yeah, give you
two seconds. This is Graham. Oh wait no, this is
James Burnip, the Red Shirt senior, one of the top
punters in the country, helped to tie the limited opponents
to less than one yard per punt return mark and
leads the nation fifth in the SEC for yards per

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punt this past year.

Speaker 6 (29:34):
Oh that's impressive.

Speaker 8 (29:35):
Weapon.

Speaker 3 (29:36):
Yeah, I was from the play by play boards. Don't worry,
I didn't actually watch The Punter Film. Congratulations James Burnet.
All right, we've got some time now, all right, welcome back?
Ay you sha hello? You remember this? You want to
cue the the What do we have coming up?

Speaker 4 (29:52):
Twitter?

Speaker 3 (29:53):
On the Twitter? Somebody I like echo the the first
one actually has a question for Are you sure?

Speaker 9 (30:04):
Ask me?

Speaker 3 (30:04):
Well, they want to know who pet cat? Who's your
pet cat? So far going into combine week?

Speaker 9 (30:10):
Huh?

Speaker 3 (30:11):
All right?

Speaker 6 (30:11):
What's the rule for pitt kit though? Go ahead and
get that together, Like, what's the rule? Like, it's gotta be.

Speaker 3 (30:15):
Somebody that you would be willing to stake your or
stand on the table for. Okay, to be a first
round guy if you really feel like it. But it's
probably more so you're not gonna stand on the table
for a first round guy. Okay, You're gonna stand on
the table for more of like a second, third, day
three guy.

Speaker 6 (30:29):
Yeah. Yeah, I guys.

Speaker 3 (30:31):
Probably the later you get in the draft, the more
you're standing on the table for.

Speaker 6 (30:34):
Talk about when the running backs you like?

Speaker 4 (30:36):
I No, I don't want to do that. I'm gonna
talk about wide receiver.

Speaker 6 (30:40):
I like, go for it.

Speaker 4 (30:42):
I watched Ricky White.

Speaker 3 (30:44):
Last night, and man, we talked about him briefly the
somebody Else's nicky, big dog man.

Speaker 8 (30:52):
He's fun, six to six' one, basically six to two,
little lighting the butt. He won eighty, but he put
on a show at the Shrine Bowl, and there's a
lot of buzz coming from him. What really stands out
to me is how willing of a blocker he is.
And he's not just and when you look across the
NFL and you look at some of the best offenses
in the league, they have guys that on the offensive

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side that are willing to get up field, get to
the second level and to block. This is a guy
that can do that as well. You see his physicality.
He's able to play through contact. He's a pretty steady
route runner. He displayed that at the Shrine Bowl. He
was cooking these folks out there.

Speaker 4 (31:30):
But he's quick off the snap.

Speaker 8 (31:32):
I just like how he also how he attacks angles
and he makes people work. And when you think of it,
it's funny that like when you watch him. I watched him,
I saw some Ricky Pierso. I saw some of that style.
Obviously not as dynamic, but still a gentleman that I
think is gonna I think he can really raise his
stock at the comp, well, if he's at the comp,
and I'm not sure, but yeah, I believe Ricky White

(31:52):
is a gentleman that I'm looking to really, you know,
and obviously the yards after catch ability, so everyone wants
a guy kind of like what he is right now.

Speaker 5 (32:00):
The size is okay, yeah, I like it so.

Speaker 3 (32:03):
That that would that would be classified as a pet cake. Yeah,
I'm probably a fourth round receiver. Maybe would you where
would you put him?

Speaker 8 (32:11):
I would put Ricky maybe in the yeah, maybe the
beginning of the four late third, depending on how you feel,
depending on how the bought the board falls. I think
we're going to see a run on wide receivers, maybe
the middle of the first and then going into the second.

Speaker 7 (32:25):
So yeah, yeah, wah Morris and Lady Jumps just step
right in and just whooping.

Speaker 6 (32:30):
And she miss a day up in.

Speaker 3 (32:31):
Here, not even a blink. Tell me a little bit
about what your pet who was your pet?

Speaker 7 (32:36):
Cat offensive line for me? May y'all know people, Marcus
Bough from Purdue is that's the style.

Speaker 3 (32:43):
It's just actually no, it's just bow like a bow
and arrow, but there's a silent m guarter. So it's Marcus.

Speaker 7 (32:50):
Bow the m silence. Okay, so I ash, that's a
fantastic question, you know, glad you brought that up. People
have him as a guard. I don't like little bitty guards.
That's my you know, that's my my problem. He's about
two ninety damn. What I really like about Marcus Bao
man is that he's nuanced guy. I always talk about
Flora guy, and I'm you know, I'm Flooria guy. He's

(33:11):
Florida guy. Take a look at his technique, look at
how he look at how he gets to the landmarks,
look at how he fights, look at how he sets
guys up kung fu fighting counters and all that. I'm
I'm blown away by his by his movement outside zone stuff.
I love how he gets to the next leve. Look
at him just reaching over there, getting to the second
level and blocking linebackers and DB's and and and I

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love the idea of Marcus Bao playing tackle. But he
doesn't have the long arms that people want from their tackles.

Speaker 6 (33:38):
Now, I think he's fine.

Speaker 7 (33:39):
If you're a tackling you don't have long arms, and
I think you'll just live in this world where you
could just learn how to hand fight he's a badass
hand fighter man.

Speaker 4 (33:48):
A lot of them in disguise as guards.

Speaker 6 (33:50):
It's all good.

Speaker 7 (33:51):
But but you know, I think he can't play guard
depending on the system, because of his athleticism, because you
know those reaches that I just mentioned earlier, right, But
in my mind, I think he's a guy that probably
gonna gain a little bit of weight, peanut butter, you know,
just you know, get him, get him till about three
fifteen at least. I don't know how it's gonna work
over two or three years or so. But let him
play where he's natural. He's a natural tackle to me.

Speaker 6 (34:12):
He's just light. He's just small.

Speaker 7 (34:14):
So sometimes he gives up a little bit of ground
when he's getting bull rushing things like that. But as
far as the hands in kung Fu fighter, nothing makes
me smile more than my tackle being a good handed
kung fu fighter. Marcus Bow it spelled m apostre bow,
but apparently the first M a silent.

Speaker 3 (34:32):
Is there an apostrophe? It's just mbow. I could be
wrong with but it's just bo and bow and arrow
come out. The one thing about him from the Senior
Bowl that I remember is he had kind of a
reverse Tyler geydon timeline at the Senior Bowl, whereas Tyler
Goydon had a great first day and then really was
rough the second two days, and I think his confidence

(34:53):
was a little shaken going into the draft process because
of that. I think Bo did the opposite. He had
a really rough first day. I remember we interviewed him
one of the first days we were out there on
Radio Row. We sat down with him and had a
great conversation with them. Good dude, very smart players. Said
he was watching film on these guys coming into it,
and he was really excited to try and show the preparation.

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And it was rough. The first day was really not good.
I probably would have put him as maybe a bottom
five guy on my offensive lineboard in that moment. He
steadily improved. Second day was much better. Third day he
was dominant.

Speaker 7 (35:27):
You want to know why, because when you had ex
jo because when you have technique, you can adapt. Right,
You're not just a one trick pony. I'm a great athlete,
but I'm a one trick pony, right, Tyler guy and
got worse because he's a one tree pony and people
and I hate to even saying that, because he's here now,
but it just is what it is. But Marcus was
able to figure it out on the fly. And I
loved that, man. I loved toughness on these smaller good technique,

(35:49):
having guys another one for you, Willy Lampkin beaming them
in the back. I bet Charliet got what's cool Willy
Lampy from North Carolina to back over there. Willy Lampkin
being five ten five, he's probably gona be five ten
two eighty five playing guard for North Carolina. And I'm like,
I know, damn where you ain't wrestling these three hundred
and fifteen pound people. But he's a wrestler, right like,
not not football rest like he wrestles for real wrestle

(36:11):
and then he and he puts that in football. I
love that on a resume for a lineman offensive.

Speaker 4 (36:16):
Or defensive, undefeated, keep playing.

Speaker 3 (36:19):
You're trying to keep one of those guys that was
a wrestler back in the day. And no said, zoo
this offseason and.

Speaker 6 (36:23):
Give him that. I want to see both of them rest.

Speaker 4 (36:26):
But feel, yeah, just good, That's how I feel.

Speaker 6 (36:29):
I don't know where the money coming from, but just
get to him.

Speaker 4 (36:31):
What do you need?

Speaker 6 (36:33):
Do I need?

Speaker 4 (36:33):
We have too many of the stuff you gotta do.

Speaker 6 (36:36):
That's they try to figure out.

Speaker 7 (36:37):
I said that years ago, and it was it was pointed,
it's joy to figure it out that the Eagles can go,
and I keep bring them up because they just want
to super bow.

Speaker 6 (36:43):
It is what it is. But they find a way
to bring everybody into their house.

Speaker 5 (36:46):
And pay them, so we should too, think about it.

Speaker 6 (36:48):
The Lions. The Lions paid pay, pay, pay six people
within two.

Speaker 3 (36:52):
Months they had all that cap for him though.

Speaker 6 (36:54):
Hey hey we gonna find some hit your buttons.

Speaker 3 (36:56):
No doubt, all right, Josh wants to know. Doesn't raise
question for you that there is an increasing trend of
more players choosing to not participate at the combine and
either wait until they're pro day or not work out
at all. This is the only time we can pretty
much answer this question. Does that raise any eyebrows or
questions for you across?

Speaker 8 (37:14):
I'm gonna let you go because I don't want to
take nobody off.

Speaker 6 (37:17):
I want to see you compete.

Speaker 7 (37:18):
I think it's uh, I'll call it counter competitive. If
you don't, you know, you just can't go out and
run me this. I'm the best, I'm the best rhetoric,
and I want to show people improving and go, I'm
not gonna throw to that throw my pro day. If
you really feel like you're the best, you should just
line up and go run it for the cardio there. Now, Now,
I understand, you know, quarterbacks and Shador and he ain't

(37:41):
got arm talent and cam war got.

Speaker 6 (37:42):
Thousands of it.

Speaker 7 (37:43):
But if you shouldore Leno what you do well and
place the ball better than him, Like, that's just how
I feel, you know what I'm saying. But football has
turned more and more into you know, I don't want
to say politics or whatever, but like agents have gotten involved,
and he wants the best pot damn, and he wants
the best possible outcome. That he wants the best possible outcome.
So hey man, Shador, you know he's gonna throw it

(38:05):
his pro day where he's most comfortable. I want to
hear a quarterback say, hey man, I'm comfortable with where
y'all want to throw the ball at it.

Speaker 6 (38:11):
So you know it is that I'm.

Speaker 4 (38:14):
On the fence.

Speaker 8 (38:15):
I'm on the fence because I do understand what you're
saying in regard to the competitiveness and things of that nature.

Speaker 4 (38:22):
But then I also do think I think we've seen guys.

Speaker 8 (38:25):
Go out not maybe not perform well at the Combine,
get injured at the Combine.

Speaker 4 (38:29):
But also to there's so many details in what the
Combine is. It's not just they go show up and play.

Speaker 5 (38:36):
There's a whole week and it's and it's.

Speaker 8 (38:39):
From talking to the players and understanding it. It is
a test of their their will and to an extent,
I mean, there are tactics, there are things that are
done for them to not here at a certain time
or work out or go through medicals right away and
then have to get on the field.

Speaker 4 (38:54):
There's there's little tests.

Speaker 8 (38:55):
That are in there that I think that some players
just want to x out and I and I don't
know if it's necessarily a bad thing, because obviously these
teams are meeting with you, they got meetings, meetings, meetings,
they got workers, work like, they're doing all these different things.
I personally kind of understand some of why some of
these players want to x that out and also to say, hey,
like I don't want one day to predicate predicate so

(39:18):
much of what I've done this past year. Although I
do understand what you mean when you say that you
want them to keep compete, but what is what are they?

Speaker 4 (39:25):
What's the competitive part there?

Speaker 7 (39:27):
So even if it's not just throw versus throw right,
I still want just whoever, just my player, to bring
mental toughness and just show.

Speaker 6 (39:35):
Me that you could be mentally.

Speaker 5 (39:36):
Touching scientest that sure.

Speaker 7 (39:38):
So if you've been running around all day, you ain't
eight all week. You had to throw here and you
gotta go get measure. You got to walk around naked,
and doctors look at you, and you walk in my
building and I just asked you goofy little questions or
whatever I want to see you look at man your question. Man,
let me answer to your question. Because Dak Prescott is
one of the most mentally tough people I know, and
that that wasn't really a part of my draft evaluation

(40:00):
for real at first. I've grown into that. Even Jayleen Hurst,
I know it just kind of cracked on a little early,
but that dude stays even that dude stays cold, you
know what I'm saying. So I think you know, sure,
I see your part of it as well, but it's
just great to know that, man, this dude been walking
around neked in front of the doctors, even running and
jumping around, and he stood right here and answered what

(40:22):
his favorite ice cream is and applied at the football.

Speaker 6 (40:24):
I think that's fire.

Speaker 8 (40:25):
No, I agree, And then obviously too, we see guys,
I remember when we went. You see some guys skip interviews.

Speaker 6 (40:30):
Yep.

Speaker 8 (40:31):
You see some guys not do well let the podium
taking questions, and that does give information as to who
they are. Especially you talk about the quarterback position, how
does he handle a crowd? How does he handle all
of the pressure? And these people come in and I
get it, But then I also understand that players are
starting to try to preserve themselves, and it's just like
who not to say no?

Speaker 6 (40:50):
Plus two, this is Dallas.

Speaker 3 (40:52):
You know what I'm saying, Facts like no, no, You're
gonna deal with it.

Speaker 6 (40:54):
Get ready.

Speaker 8 (40:55):
Yeah, you do need to get an idea how they
can handle that stuff.

Speaker 7 (40:58):
Plus I would like to know what time. I'm not
gonna point in nobody that got drafted recently over the
last two or three years or whatever. But I would
just love to know how you handle stress. I would
love to know just how you handle stress.

Speaker 3 (41:10):
That's just in general, like in life.

Speaker 6 (41:12):
In life, this will probably never happen to you, but
just how do you have it? You know what I mean.

Speaker 7 (41:16):
I think that's just more important thanform it. If they're
just gathering information, these coaches and gms and even our
media guys out there and gals, they just gathered information.

Speaker 8 (41:24):
But also too with a lot of kids going to
their pro day instead.

Speaker 4 (41:27):
I think we have obviously we've.

Speaker 8 (41:28):
Seen an uptick in that in the last couple of years.
It's obviously because it is a more controlled environment.

Speaker 6 (41:33):
Thirty eight yard dashes.

Speaker 4 (41:35):
It's a more controled environment.

Speaker 8 (41:37):
The coaches have more say so you have a better
idea of what to expect and things like that, and
it's the familiarity of being in your building and those things.
So it's hard because it's like, we don't want you familiar,
we don't want you comfortable. And then it's like, but
then if they're comfortable, maybe they performed well.

Speaker 4 (41:52):
So it's it's it's I'm on the.

Speaker 3 (41:54):
Fence, yeah, Sean, with a question that Shu kind of
goes back to what you guys had the sidebar on
with os Aigi Zoo a moment ago, which scenario would
you prefer? And you can only choose one out of
these two resign Osigi Zua and draft Marcus Harriston from
Kentucky or insert corner on day two here. So whatever

(42:16):
corner you feel like would fit day two, okay, Or
you can re sign Jordan Lewis and draft let's say TJ.
Sanders or whatever similar defensive tackle from day two that
you would like to draft.

Speaker 7 (42:29):
So that's the summing that we that we can't sign
Osa and K and George.

Speaker 3 (42:33):
This is one or the other, or Jy Lou and
you draft the other's replacement.

Speaker 8 (42:39):
Yeah, because I think we're looking at Harston as Nicol.

Speaker 4 (42:43):
Yes, yes, tracking.

Speaker 6 (42:44):
I'll tell you what, man, we got a lot of Sanders.

Speaker 3 (42:47):
It's like a three tag checking.

Speaker 6 (42:48):
We have a lot of corners.

Speaker 7 (42:49):
We've got a lot of tackles, but I think we
have a lot more ones than threes. So and I love,
I love Jay Lou depiece, but in this particular situation,
maybe I'll draft a corner because you can hide that
a little better and keep my We'll call it a
dominant three tech or am I ready to go three tech?
I think if you draft a three tech, I mean,

(43:13):
unless it's Mason Graham or something.

Speaker 6 (43:15):
We got to talk about. How to hell he's following
down draft bars allegedly.

Speaker 7 (43:17):
But unless it's a Mason Graham type character, I don't
see a three tech that's gonna step in. They want
to give you something similar, and we're a quasi rebuilding team,
but we're trying to compete for real, for real, So
I would rather my three tech be grown man body
ready to play right now, and we can get a
corner that I mean because look, because look, even if

(43:41):
that's the case, we can draft the outside guy and
put blayd a Nickel. You know what I'm saying, Like
we can like we have options. I feel like we
have more options at corner than we do at d line.

Speaker 3 (43:49):
That's the right answer to me. I think so because
you have Kaitlin Carson. Sure, the only thing that even
gives me a little bit of pause is the health
of Trayvon Diggs. Sure, that's the only thing that gives
me a little bit of pause. But if you're drafting
a Nickel, that doesn't really solve that problem one way
or the other. You're going to have to address that
in a different element. So I I yet no doubt,

(44:10):
And I think this isn't just love loss for j Lou.
It's just the nature of the of the positions that
we're talking about. If you have a dominant pass rushing
ability from the three tech that Matt Eberflus comes in
and says he's one of the top priorities that we're
going to try and resign this offseason, then I think
you go with that and you draft the nickel to learn.

(44:31):
I mean, you drafted Deron Bland as a fifth round
nickel to learn and he ended up being your boundary
guy in an all pro in the same sense, so
you can find it. Does it make me comfortable with
the nickel spot. Absolutely not. I would rather have both
guys back, and I would rather do it. But since
we're playing this hypothetical scenario or you can only have one,
which might not be a hypothetical at the end of
the day, I would take I would take Osa, and

(44:54):
I would draft the corner.

Speaker 6 (44:55):
Oh is younger too, like what six?

Speaker 3 (44:57):
Yeah? Yeah, this is only his second also being around
for a four.

Speaker 8 (45:01):
While Yeah, I got a lot of respect for Jordan Lewis.
But I also do agree that Listen, I don't know
how many times we got to.

Speaker 5 (45:08):
See it that if you can win with four, you
can win up.

Speaker 8 (45:10):
Front, then it's gonna make everybody life easier exactly. And
I think you know, obviously with an EVA flucid system
in the way that he likes to do things, he
expects to get pressure with four and Osa is one
of those gentlemen that I believe is you know capable
of that, and you are You ain't got no three texts?

Speaker 4 (45:27):
Stop playing these games with me?

Speaker 7 (45:29):
Hey man, Devil's advocate over man Jay Lootens showed up
at your best corner two years in a row.

Speaker 3 (45:33):
Yes, no doubt.

Speaker 4 (45:36):
It's difficult. But also to you talked about the fact
that you.

Speaker 8 (45:39):
Can You talked about you can bump dron bland outside.
I know that's not something that people like to see
often from Jordan Lewis, but he didn't die when you
asked him to do it.

Speaker 4 (45:49):
And don't get it twisted.

Speaker 8 (45:50):
This is what that what that was His original position
was outside corner.

Speaker 3 (45:54):
Yeah, it sucks either way. If you're losing Osa, it's
gonna be awful.

Speaker 5 (45:59):
If I'm losing and Jyleen lie down the wall, Yeah.

Speaker 3 (46:02):
It's unfortunate. All right, we're taking our second break. When
we come back, it's time for a little this or that.
We're gonna pair some prospects against each other and see
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Speaker 3 (49:46):
Oh man, I like it all right? Before we leave,
we've got to get some this or that out of
the way. Let's start at the wide receiver position. Okay,
let's go with Trey Harris ole miss wide receiver, deep
rad outside receiver true X. Well, let's go with Jaden Higgins.
Jayden Higgins. Are the two or Trey Harris? Which one

(50:09):
you got?

Speaker 6 (50:10):
I got a three on Tray, I got a full
on Higgins. Both these yeah, both both these characters.

Speaker 7 (50:19):
These gentlemen think both these characters gonna be your X
receiver type guy, your bigger body type guy. I do
like that Higgins for being so so tall and long
that he kind of knows how to navigate zones and
they line them up in the slot a bunch and
and that was off putting to be like a large
human uh playing playing that. But I was like, hey, man, cool,

(50:40):
that's impressed. But going to do that though, they're gonna
want to do it. But I just think Trey Harris
what he does well. I just think he does better.
And that's as like physical dude, Uh you know, get
some yac after a catch or just jump over somebody.
I think Trey does that really really well, and he
kind of got a black belt in that. Neither one
of them gonna run really well. I think Higgins might

(51:01):
run better than Trey. But you know, if I had
to pick, I got a four on Higgins in a
three on trace. So being a fair to my board, I'm.

Speaker 8 (51:07):
Taking yeah, I would agree with your evaluation of Trey
Harris a six three two ten. You mentioned the ability
to you know, track the ball in the air, the
big playability. This is a red zone threat and uh,
he's he's also versatile to as well, though, like he's
a guy that now they do some inside out with
him as well. Obviously you see the catch radius. I

(51:29):
love the way he snatches the ball out the air.
I love a receiver that snatches the ball out of
the year with an intent. I I also feel like
you can see him set up dbats. You see him
reading the dB That's something that I haven't I didn't
see as much from a Higgins. Obviously, like you said,
they're both contested catchers. I think the Higgins is a

(51:50):
little bit more fluid as far as like just.

Speaker 4 (51:52):
The movement looks weird.

Speaker 8 (51:54):
Yeah, just as a as a route runner. Trey Harris
can look a little choppy sometimes, but he's effective. Like
he's effective, and he was very productive of Jayden Higgins
at Iowa State, and I thought he had some good
days at the Senior Bowl. But I would be going
with Trey Harris as well in this situation just because
of some of the consistency, more importantly, the yack ability.

(52:14):
Is there a little bit more there with him as
well to.

Speaker 3 (52:16):
Me, So I'm gonna go with Trey Harris. I think
both these guys are great. I've got a four on Higgins.
With Harris, I'm call me crazy. Go ahead. I think
he's a top five receiver in this dress crazy, call
me crazy.

Speaker 8 (52:29):
And it goes back to this, some people really like
him like that though it.

Speaker 3 (52:32):
Comes to the it comes to the ceiling conversation we
had earlier. Right, So, when I'm looking at Trey Harris,
I'm looking at a guy that has the ability with
breakaway speed decent but not perfect route running. But what
can you teach at the NFL level footwork and route
running to something that area. I see Trey Harris as
having all of those trades, all of those tools, and

(52:54):
the one knock he didn't have is he didn't necessarily
have a full season to put it all together because
he's got some medical red flags. I think if he
didn't have the wide or the excuse me, the lengthy
time off and the sporadic injuries that he had throughout
his final two years in Oxford, I think we're talking
about him as a first round wide receiver.

Speaker 8 (53:14):
And the body control is there, But I I want
to ask you to do you guys think now? I
feel like the last couple of years, the X receiver
to me is starting to become goal. It's starting to go, but.

Speaker 4 (53:30):
It's went away.

Speaker 8 (53:32):
But I will say within this draft there's a few
more than we've seen in previous drafts. Do you think
that's gonna possibly affect Like we're talking about Trey Harris,
you're saying you got a third on him, Yeah, because
of the demand for having an X receiver again, if
someone wants to go that route, do you think that
that could play into any of these ex receivers going
up or down?

Speaker 3 (53:53):
Yeah? I think it does because it kind of goes
back to running back in the draft like this, where
you've got a running back class, some teams might be
willing to wait because they know they can snag one
later X receiver that you don't have those guys. You
got a lot of small receivers again, kind of like
the last couple of drafts, and we've seen it before
that these bigger, more physical outside receivers will go earlier

(54:13):
than we anticipated. I'm thinking back to Michael Pittman a
couple of years ago out of in the USC good player.
Was he a first round talented player? It depends on
who you talked to, but he ended up going earlier
than anticipated because he's got big body to X receiver.
Did he actually work out in the NFL? I mean,
he's had a decent career, He's been pretty good at times,
he's battled some injuries. But I see that same level

(54:37):
of impact from these extracities, Like.

Speaker 7 (54:40):
It's just a name a few of them. You got McMillan, Beish,
williams Ao Manner depend on if you really feel like
you know, feel about him in that way, Trey Harris,
pet Bryant and Higgins. So those are my exes, like
my true exes, not like move guys that can play xes,
but like Matthew Golden is a move guy, but he
can't play it.

Speaker 3 (54:59):
He can't with Burden from Missouri.

Speaker 7 (55:02):
Yeah, but as far as true to your point, since this,
you know, since we don't always get true exes, they
may they may run this year sol fair enough.

Speaker 3 (55:09):
Yeah, but yeah, I'm a little higher on Trey Harris
than I think most people probably are. I would put
him in the I would be okay drafting him at
forty four. That would be perfect value for me.

Speaker 8 (55:20):
Honestly from some of the articles I read and stuff,
there are some people who are high on him, so
I'm not surprised.

Speaker 3 (55:25):
I think if he wasn't hurt, he would be in
the conversation with not with McMillan. I think he's far
and away my favorite receiver of this draft. But I
would put him right there with Burden. I'm not going
to do that because I think there's still parts of
his game that are are unpolished. And if you're talking
about Burden, he's a polished receiver, So that's a different one,
all right. Second, this or that of the day, we've

(55:47):
got Josh Farmer or Omar Norman Lott a couple of
defensive tackles here to go with. What do you think, fotch?

Speaker 7 (55:57):
Josh Farmer got so many tools and boy, it's just
come down all you floor guy's ceiling guy man Omar
Omar Okay, So let me say this.

Speaker 3 (56:05):
They both are armored by the way from Florida state
to state, and Omar Norman Lot is from Tennessee.

Speaker 6 (56:10):
So they both are.

Speaker 7 (56:13):
Get off the ball guys, first step guys, disruptors, penetrators.
They're probably going to be gap guys. Three texts where
they're kind of different. What goes into my conversation, right,
Omar Norman Lot. I think he has a better feel
for the nuance of what his job is going to
be like. His job is going to be most likely
pass rusher, and he knows how to kind of work

(56:34):
his hands a little bit better. Josh Farmer, who has
more tools than most of these guys as far as
size lengthy's powerful. He don't use his hands at all.
So Josh Farmer is full blown ceiling guy.

Speaker 3 (56:48):
To me, strong sixty three three fifteen is what he
measured measured in at the combine.

Speaker 7 (56:54):
He is toosy arm length and everything, but he's chicken
winging people, and chicken wing is a real life football term.

Speaker 6 (57:00):
Trust me.

Speaker 7 (57:01):
He's out there chicken winging people, but he's whipping people
chicken winging people, and he's gotten more and more sacks
every single season. It's a teachable chicken winging. We we
think that's what I'm saying you. Unless you're gonna go
to the league and be a dude that chicken wings
for ten years or whatever, that's the that's the the
dice road that you that you end up with. So
Farmer incredibly talented. If you got a coach that can

(57:23):
teach him how to extend so that he can use
some of those long arms and hell yeah, man, you
on something. And I think once he figures out how
to use the arm length, I think he'll be even
better versus run, even better disruptor and he'll start to
use his length and separated. Maybe you could teach him
how to two gap if you like. But right now
he's chicken winging. He's getting chests to chess with guys
because he's just running down the middle of him Almar
Norman Lot he knows how to pass rush he knows

(57:45):
how to get busy.

Speaker 6 (57:45):
He knows exactly what it is that he.

Speaker 7 (57:47):
You know, like his role amongst that D line and
Tennessee got some weird numbers on that line, just Jersey
numbers or whatever. But anyway, I got Norman Lott in
the third round and I have Farmer.

Speaker 6 (57:58):
In the fourth.

Speaker 3 (57:59):
But I have both of those.

Speaker 7 (58:00):
But if Farmer was not a chicken wing guy, he
could be a second round guy.

Speaker 4 (58:04):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (58:04):
I mean you mentioned the fact that both of them
are get off guys, very disruptive.

Speaker 4 (58:09):
But with Norman, is it Norman lot Yeah, with him,
got to.

Speaker 8 (58:13):
See him at the senior boat, and obviously the get
off is there. But I was looking at the fact
that I think the change of direction to me is
better than Farmers in my opinion, I think some of
the lateral quickness is a little bit better. This gentleman
just has the ability to ruin your interiors day.

Speaker 4 (58:28):
And obviously too.

Speaker 8 (58:30):
Something that I want to point out was then when
he was in Tennessee, he was playing behind quite a bit.

Speaker 4 (58:34):
Of depth, so he did what he did.

Speaker 8 (58:37):
As far as his productiveness, I believe he had close
to like a twenty two percent pressure rate on limited
snaps when you talk about.

Speaker 4 (58:44):
Ceiling and all that stuff.

Speaker 8 (58:47):
I'd look at him and I look at the fact
that this is a guy that you can continue to develop,
like you were saying, Vatch, but also too, like the
motor is legit and it's not scared of no mileage.

Speaker 3 (58:58):
I think both of these guys have good motors.

Speaker 8 (58:59):
Yes, but I wrote down here I said that he's
a natural pass rusher.

Speaker 4 (59:04):
It is natural, it.

Speaker 8 (59:06):
Doesn't look and again Josh Farmer, heyes, very smooth, and
Josh Farmer is versatile and all those good things. And
I think because of his size and the feet, like
the feet, he's able to be sudden.

Speaker 4 (59:19):
But I think that if you're trying.

Speaker 8 (59:20):
To look for maybe some longevity and be able to
develop more tools, I would go with a Norman lot
as well. But Josh Farmer is not nobody the snuff
at and we already know that FSU pushes out good
defensive lineman. I was seeing some of the things he
was doing where it looked like he was almost like
jump cutting himself to make tackles, and I was like,
what am I looking at right now? You're a defensive tackle, fantastic,

(59:41):
You're a huge human so anyway.

Speaker 4 (59:43):
Yeah, I would go I would agree.

Speaker 8 (59:45):
With you on Norman lot, but Josh Farmer's not far behind.
And I do think if somebody gets ahold of them,
they're going to be able to really impact his hands
in his toolbox.

Speaker 4 (59:54):
Like you were saying.

Speaker 7 (59:55):
And Farmer, I think he has the size and the
bulk or whatever to place once take if you need it.
You know, Norman, that's probably going to be a guy
that's not going to be an eight gap too much.

Speaker 6 (01:00:04):
But maybe you go line up at five.

Speaker 8 (01:00:05):
And maybe that and maybe that boosts Farmers. I think
maybe that boosts him because a nose, a guy being
able to play nose, and then a guy being able
to play like you know, the three and four, that's
something different. I don't know how many noses true noses
do y'all think is in this draft?

Speaker 6 (01:00:26):
True noses?

Speaker 7 (01:00:29):
So you know what I don't. I don't think the
three hundred and fifty pound nose exists anymore.

Speaker 8 (01:00:33):
Yeah, and that's what's the defenses don't want to get.

Speaker 4 (01:00:35):
And that's a whole other thing.

Speaker 8 (01:00:36):
So that that's why I think that a guy like
Josh Farmer, even though we're talking about a lot like oh,
well he has this, this, this, but he might be
more valuable. Some teams might look at Josh Farmer and
be like, I can line him up virtually anywhere.

Speaker 5 (01:00:48):
Yeah, sure, that's valuable.

Speaker 6 (01:00:50):
He got that weight technically.

Speaker 7 (01:00:51):
Graham, Grant, Williams and Harmon are noses, but they're athletic
enough to go play.

Speaker 6 (01:00:56):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:00:56):
I wouldn't say that's like a true nose. Yeah, and
I could play three, they could play. They can push
them out to a five. If you want to.

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Speaker 4 (01:01:04):
That's crazy.

Speaker 3 (01:01:05):
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Speaker 4 (01:01:08):
That's crazy.

Speaker 3 (01:01:08):
It was a fun Joe fun show. You want to
do it again Thursday. Yeah, let's do it again Thursday.
We'll be back at eleven am Central time. We'll talk
a little bit about who you should expect to tear
up the combine, who are some of the guys that
we're keeping an eye on whenever they hit the field
in Indianapolis. And then continue to send in your draft questions.
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