Draft Show: Deal With It

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Speaker 1 (00:10):
Is the Dallascowboys dot Com Draft Show, your war room
for insider news and draft analysis from deep within the
confines of Cowboys headquarters at the Star Infrasco. And now
your host, Kyle Yeomans.

Speaker 2 (00:30):
Today is Thursday, March thirteenth, twenty twenty five, and we
are forty two days away from the NFL Draft in
Green Bay, Wisconsin. As we are officially six weeks out today,
a month and a half.

Speaker 3 (00:44):
It's a sprint.

Speaker 4 (00:45):
Let's get it.

Speaker 2 (00:45):
It's a forty yard dash. Now, forty two yard dash.
I guess what's sure will talking about it?

Speaker 3 (00:50):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (00:50):
Forty two yard dash?

Speaker 6 (00:51):
What do you what?

Speaker 5 (00:52):
A Barry Church run in the forty forty two?

Speaker 3 (00:54):
Hey, that's a great forty two. He was in the force.

Speaker 5 (00:58):
I think it was like four sevens or.

Speaker 6 (00:59):
Yeah, to Toledo or six nine that nine, Oh, he.

Speaker 5 (01:04):
Was meant to be in Dallas. Then all right, what
is that supposed for six nine area code? Yes, there's
a four six nine And you have to come on, Kyle,
there's a four six nine area code.

Speaker 4 (01:14):
It's like the Frisco area code for.

Speaker 5 (01:15):
Six nine nine two one four.

Speaker 4 (01:18):
Wow, come on, Kyle, this this Waco guy.

Speaker 2 (01:21):
Yeah, baby all day, every day, two five four, all right,
welcome in. We've got Nick Harris, Brian brought us watch
Lombardi with Bobby belt on, Kyle Yeomans with Chris Beam
and company in the back, putting up some great film
as we go along in this show. I want to
talk about kind of the the last twenty four hours
or so, the Cowboys front office was pretty busy, kind

(01:41):
of maneuvering some whatever you want to look at it
depth pieces. You you can look at it as maybe
potential starters.

Speaker 3 (01:49):
Around the way.

Speaker 2 (01:49):
A couple of trades, one of which are actually a
couple of which that were guys that were talked about
on this show back whenever they were coming out of
the NFL Draft, Guys like Kye or Elam who's coming
out of floor was a first round pick in his
own right. Solomon Thomas again first round pick, third overall
on the draft show, talked about him quite a bit
whenever he was making his way out as a defensive lineman.

(02:13):
And then Kenneth Murray was a linebacker out of Oklahoma
that we talked about. The trades all happening and the
signings all happening over these last forty eight hours and Nick,
when you look at kind of the way that the
roster construction is gone, does it affect anything so far
on what is happening in terms of the NFL Draft
or can we kind of get an idea and read
between the lines here of what the Cowboys front offices think?

Speaker 6 (02:35):
Yes, certainly, I mean free agency is kind of your
layup for what you need in the draft.

Speaker 7 (02:39):
Now.

Speaker 6 (02:39):
Granted, when you're looking at this team and the moves
that they made over the course of last few days,
it's more so addressing the depth issues. In my opinion,
you look at the corner position going in getting kayri
elm that's just a guy that you can hope can
compete for a spot on the outside until Trayvon Diggs
can be back and then maybe kind of be your
amanio or a warrier in a sense where he's that
first rotation guy in at best case scenario. Then you

(03:01):
look at Kenneth Murray and Jack Sanborn, adding much needed
depth to that linebacker room. Not only do you have
to Marven Overstrom coming back from injury, but that room
is also young. So bringing in two guys who have
been in the league for a cup of Tea. It definitely.
It definitely will help that room out as well.

Speaker 3 (03:17):
Now.

Speaker 6 (03:17):
I think we talked about Javonte Williams on Tuesday, but
I think on the offensive side of the ball, there's
still probably some need for depth, and specifically at running back,
specifically at receiver. So that's where you start to look
in the draft maybe a little bit more. And you
still need a lot of depth at corner. One guy
is not going to fix the issue that you have
at corner right now. So I'm still looking at those
three positions as probably the most likely for premium picks

(03:39):
in the draft.

Speaker 3 (03:40):
Does it change anything at linebacker or corner for you
at all?

Speaker 8 (03:44):
This is my thing, right and I don't want to
talk crazy about people while I'm in their building, you know,
I just you know, if this is all about depth,
then perfect. This is about the guys that are at
the bottom of the roster. Cool, But I have an
odd feeling that in about two months we're going to
be like, oh, yeah, we had to play a game today.
We could play with Kennan Mery linebacker right now. We
can play with such and such starting right now. And

(04:05):
I don't want that to be the situation. I don't
want And I say us because I'm more fan. I
don't work here. But when I say like the Cowboys, right,
I don't. I don't want them to be like, all right,
we're just trying to fix this bottom of the RUSS.
I think most of Cowboy fans want them to fix
the top of it for the most part. So yeah,
I mean you you still got a draft in me
and Brian just had this convo last night. It's like

(04:26):
the pressure that's on the draft, you know what I'm saying,
Like if this is a like you want to hit one, two,
and three if you can. This ain't one of those
years where okay, well let's develop our third round guy
and see where he is in three or four years.
Like you need all your guys on deck. And I
think this is about as good as the offseason acquisitions
are gonna go. I think this is as high as
it's gonna get. I still think we're gonna lan on

(04:48):
draft and we're gonna fill out the rest of an
andraft free agency.

Speaker 3 (04:51):
Just my personal opinion.

Speaker 2 (04:51):
Yeah, And I think there's a lot of Cowboys fans
out there that feel that way, Brian, But I just
in talking with those around the building and kind of
the general feel I think they're they're addressing eleven through
fifty three.

Speaker 3 (05:02):
We've had that conversation before. Right when you look at.

Speaker 2 (05:05):
One through ten on this Cowboys roster and you stack
them up against some of the other teams across the NFL,
you feel pretty good about what you have one through ten.
The Micah's and the CDs and the Dacks and the
Tyler Smith's of the world, just to name a few.
But it's eleven through fifty three. They're addressing that right now?
Are they going to get there and address another spot
in that one through ten and push somebody out of

(05:27):
the top ten?

Speaker 3 (05:28):
Oh, that's what they want to do.

Speaker 4 (05:29):
I'll continue with you on one point. I mean to
cut you off.

Speaker 6 (05:31):
Sure, I think these moves have more so been addressing
thirty through fifty three.

Speaker 3 (05:35):
Okay, they need.

Speaker 6 (05:36):
The eleven through thirty now, like they still got to
legitimate starters who could be a legitimate starter, Like, yeah,
Kenneth Murray can be a starter for you, But I mean,
instincts are going to have to take a giant step
forward under Matt eve Refluse. You hope scheme can kind
of help that. I think Jack Sanborn's a really good player.
I think he's gonna end up being a pretty good
player for this team. But you still need that eleven
through thirty in my opinion, and that's where you go

(05:57):
in the draft, in the first round, second round, third round,
and you hope those guys, but like you said, you
don't really have an opportunity to let those guys develop.
You have to have those guys hit right now.

Speaker 9 (06:05):
Yeah, I tell you couldn't have another year where you
let talent walk out the building. They couldn't have back
to back years where the depth is also just walking
out the building and they did nothing about it. So yeah,
to me, it's more about, like what Nick was talking about,
I think, replacing those guys and hopefully you get something
out of it. I agree with you about Samborn. I
think that Solomon Thomas could be a really good player

(06:26):
here as a three technique as well. So I am
very very hopeful for some of those additions. But yeah,
to me, this was about trying not to just completely
lose all the depth that they had built out over
those teams that were that were twelve and five though
for those three.

Speaker 3 (06:41):
Years, And I like the way you put it.

Speaker 2 (06:43):
The thirty through fifty three is perfect because, like you said,
you're not going to put Solomon Thomas in the one
through thirty mark, You're not going to put Kenneth Murray
in the one through thirty. Can they work their way
up there? Can kayri elm be in that category possibly
if they have a great season. Where do you feel
like they can add that eleven through thirty right now? Bobby,
when you're looking at this roster, is there anything out

(07:05):
there from a free agent standpoint, a trade standpoint that
you can say that's a spot where they have the
capital to do so.

Speaker 5 (07:13):
Like the one area where I look at right now
and I say, I don't think they have a starting
player there right now? Is their number two receiver? Like
I don't think I don't think they've got a two
receiver right now. Luckily, if you want to just hold
out some hope and say Dallas gets more involved in
free agency than they typically have been around the high
end of the market, receivers one of the areas that
still has not been completely picked over in free agency

(07:33):
right now. There's still plenty of them out there who
could probably step in and contribute to a two or
three level for you here, So I said it this
morning on one of five through the fan. To me,
it's Dallas has to get comfortable with pain and uncomfortable price,
or get comfortable with not having guys come in here
and fill those roles because you're going to have to

(07:54):
then just lean completely on the draft. So to me, receiver,
do you want to stand around and see, okay, what
does the market play out like for steff On Digs
or Cooper cup or any of these free agents or
Mary Cooper, whoever it may be. Do you want to
stand around there and just go, okay, do you come
down to a level that we're comfortable with or do
you come into a range where all right, we take
a little bit of a step up from discomfort, you

(08:16):
take a little bit of a step down from where
you wanted to be, and we can meet in the middle.
Can you go find the Randall Cobbs signing from a
couple of years ago, but you're probably gonna have to
pay more than that just because that was one year,
five million, five six years.

Speaker 4 (08:28):
Ago, or the Brandon Cooks trade.

Speaker 5 (08:30):
Yeah, exactly, So you need to go find something like that.
That's the biggest area where right now I say, I
need a contingency there. You've got your contingencies in other areas,
and that's seems to always be the Moniker from the
Cowboys and free agencies. Contingencies for you up pick best
player available when you get to the draft. Receiver is
an area where that don't know that they've got contingencies
right now?

Speaker 4 (08:48):
Do you still need another one at corner two?

Speaker 8 (08:49):
Yeah? Why do you guys think the ghost and thing
didn't work out? Because you know, could it be like, well,
he costs too much money, We don't want to bring
Ghost and baby. You think maybe ghost and didn't want
to come back. Do you think we're gonna lean on
Marshaun and you know, Sam Williams or something like that.
I think Ghoston was a valuable, valuable depth type dude
for you, and he showed that he can like start

(09:10):
for you, like if it's an emergency or whatever, Ghoston
can start for you.

Speaker 3 (09:13):
And I think you want your deposition bitch, okay, full
blown age.

Speaker 8 (09:18):
I think you you want your depth guys to be
like low key kind of starters in an emergency, right.
I don't Thinkton Peyton Turner. I don't think Peyton Turner
can start a whole bunch of games for you, right,
So I think we kind of got a little worse here.

Speaker 3 (09:31):
Why do you think Ghoston didn't see it?

Speaker 9 (09:32):
That's where I think that they they'll disagree with you
on that. They think they think that Peyton Turner could
be what Golston was.

Speaker 5 (09:40):
There's upside. I think there's upside.

Speaker 3 (09:42):
Yeah, And I'm sick of upside. Honestly, I'm tired.

Speaker 10 (09:45):
I'm tired.

Speaker 8 (09:46):
I'm sick of shooting dice on getting better. I'm sick
of banking on coaches.

Speaker 3 (09:49):
I'll tell you where. I'll tell you where. I'm sick
of it.

Speaker 9 (09:51):
Nick and I had this discussion yesterday on the break
is like these guys would position flex Yeah, you know.
And that's why I ask you, what position do you
think that Golston can play? Because I think that they
lost that and I think they lost that along his
way in his career.

Speaker 3 (10:04):
So myself and you.

Speaker 9 (10:06):
Immediately said edge, oh okay, yeah, someone finally standing up
and saying he could.

Speaker 3 (10:11):
That's that's That's That's what I'm saying always.

Speaker 9 (10:14):
So to me, I think that they I think that
they look at I think they look at Peyton Turner.

Speaker 3 (10:18):
As that guy, the length, the size.

Speaker 9 (10:21):
He doesn't I don't think he rushes the passer as
well as Goldston. I'm not saying Golston's great, right, but
but playing the run and all that stuff.

Speaker 3 (10:29):
I think that's where in their mind they're like, we
would rather have this is okay. This is where I
think they were.

Speaker 9 (10:36):
I wonder if they really misevaluated where some of these
guys money was gonna come down. And you look at
and you look at where Dowdell's money came down yesterday,
You look where Jordan Lewis's money came down. You know,
did you look at maybe with Golston, did you even try?
Did you think the money was going to be too
much there?

Speaker 3 (10:55):
You know? See that's the that's the and Golston six
meeting and don't look too bad or doesn't look too bad.
See that's I'm saying.

Speaker 9 (11:03):
I think that they I think that they went into
this thinking we could get Lewis.

Speaker 3 (11:07):
Back, we could get him back.

Speaker 9 (11:09):
They didn't expect Lewis to make ten million dollars and Nick,
I don't think they expected Rico Daddle to make.

Speaker 3 (11:14):
Three million dollars.

Speaker 9 (11:16):
So that's I I wonder if they got lost in there,
what the value of that player was going to be
and they and they quickly pivoted to other positions.

Speaker 5 (11:27):
Who are there? Who are their handful of biggest departures
so far?

Speaker 2 (11:31):
Jordan Lewis, huh, Chauncey Golston. Yeah, the guys that we
just talked about Rico Market.

Speaker 5 (11:37):
Okay, literally the first four names we named, they're all
repped by the same person. Yeah, they're aped by the
same agent.

Speaker 3 (11:42):
Could be that.

Speaker 5 (11:42):
It could be that you just you're having some some
headbutting right now.

Speaker 3 (11:46):
That's that's very very good point.

Speaker 7 (11:48):
And so.

Speaker 4 (11:50):
So Logical has two more out there in Israel, Mkwuamu
and Nick Visual.

Speaker 5 (11:54):
Yes, and so look, I'm gonna rep in half of
half the class year, and that's somebody who you've had
some tough negotiations with in the past. With Mark Slawrence.
It could just be that, I think if if they
weren't coming to a place where where his representation felt
like on a number, you feel like.

Speaker 3 (12:11):
That they didn't want it, They didn't want to fight
that fight. I mean, I'm asking you something to.

Speaker 5 (12:17):
I think Lewis they wanted to fight for I think Lewis,
I think Jordan Lewis got more than they thought. I
don't think they thought he was going to get tend.

Speaker 3 (12:24):
That's where I thought.

Speaker 9 (12:25):
I thought that they misevaluated the money that some of
these guys were gonna Lewis, I didn't think about the
agent angle.

Speaker 4 (12:31):
I think Dowdell.

Speaker 5 (12:32):
I think Dowdell got Dowdell got two seven five with
uh some stuff that could get him up to six.
H I think they thought Dowbell probably could have gotten
around three. I think they thought that was possible. I
don't know that they would have been comfortable with, and
I don't know what the incentives are. It makes me
wonder if the incentives they weren't happy with. They thought, Okay,
those are incentives that we don't necessarily want to pay

(12:53):
up to. So it could be something along those lines.
But you know, I think Dowdell was a guy who
he thought they their anticipation, I think from his side
was that he was going to be able to get
six on the market. I thought they got six up
there with incentives, and so so they pivoted quickly. I
think they went to Javonte Williams thinking yeah, and that
out market was not the same as probably what what

(13:14):
Dowbdell thought it was going to be. Galston, I think
that was around what they thought it could be. But
I think they figured they can they can find something
similar or cheaper in terms of return, and then Lawrence
was one where I just think that was over. I
think that had reached its end.

Speaker 4 (13:28):
I agree.

Speaker 6 (13:28):
I think another part of the conversation at running back is, Okay,
if you're bringing back Doubt or are you bringing him
back as a one B orre you're bringing him back
as an RB two, what does that look like? And
if you're bringing him back as an RB one, which
is what he would expect after coming off a thousand
yard season over twelve hundred yard scrimmage yards, if you're
bringing him back as an RB one, then you're drafting
an RB two in a really deep running back class.

Speaker 4 (13:49):
Or you can go get a guy like Javonte Williams, who.

Speaker 6 (13:52):
Was okay being your RB two, he's approven RB two
receiving a pass blob, and then you go get a
damn good RB one in this draft. I think that's
probably part of the thought process as well. It's just like, hey,
this guy, he's played four years, he's got experience. Yes,
he had that one injury, but he looks like he's
bounced back from that. He's one of the best best
pass catching backs, one of the best pass blocking backs
in this class.

Speaker 3 (14:12):
That's true.

Speaker 4 (14:13):
You pair that with an RB one in the draft
and let it roll.

Speaker 2 (14:15):
Well, that might be why the market value is different
for Doubtle than maybe his representation even thought about it initially,
because teams are looking ahead and they're seeing the twenty
twenty five NFL Draft class and saying, Okay, we can
get guys here that are going to do what Legal
Doubtell can bring you the team.

Speaker 5 (14:28):
And I don't know whenever I think of Doubtle, like
if I'm starting to think of, like Describeery Godaubtle, like,
one of the first words that comes to mind for
me is violent, Like he's a violent running style. And
I think there are questions for this organization. They've seen
it for five years, how well is he going to
hold up physically, because I mean, it's been a challenge
for him to stay healthy throughout his career and that
violent running Stot's like, Okay, how much do we anticipate

(14:50):
that you can handle that consistently with this type of
player that you are. Is your body gonna be able
to hold up into that? So I don't think they
wanted to lean on him as a running back one
because I think they high concerns about can they manage
that consistently?

Speaker 3 (15:02):
Kyle, If I can ask a question real quick, first,
I guess you guy should check.

Speaker 9 (15:05):
Your boards, give me a guy that you match with
Williams that that could be potentially that RB one for you.

Speaker 3 (15:13):
Then just just tell me off just a duo.

Speaker 6 (15:16):
I think we may have talked about this a little
bit on Tuesday. Damien Martinez. I feel I could be
could be a guy I would want to load. I
would want a guy who's Yeah, I would want a
guy who's who's a big guy Todd Brooks, Damian Martinez
who can get you those short yards. But I'd also
be okay with a Devin Neil, a guy that's had
production three straight a thousand yard seasons, only missed one
game in his entire career.

Speaker 3 (15:37):
There's there's there's a speed level on those guys. I
mean that the quickness, you know what I'm saying, That's
what I was thinking. I was thinking. I was yeah,
I was.

Speaker 9 (15:44):
Thinking that, you know I love what you're doing with
the physicality and the toughness of the player. If I
if I needed, if I needed, give me some give
me a guy to pair with him.

Speaker 3 (15:54):
It's got juice in the same time.

Speaker 7 (15:57):
R J.

Speaker 3 (15:57):
Harvey, Okay, he's got blue blue Okay.

Speaker 11 (16:01):
R J.

Speaker 6 (16:01):
Harvey's got breakaway speed. Burchard Smith, although I think he's
going to be more of a receiver at the next level,
more of a slot guy. Yeah, but there are some
speed guys by shell Touton out of Virginia Tech. Yeah,
he had some great testing at the combine. There's some
speed guys.

Speaker 3 (16:14):
He plays fast too, Yeah, he does. And these are
these are.

Speaker 2 (16:17):
Later round guys. I mean you're not hitting gent Or
Hampton or Henderson or Johnson. Sure those guys up at
the top. If you wanted physicality, you could pair him
with a guy like Caleb Johnson out of Iowa. He's
got some physicality to his game. Marion Hampton's two hundred
and twenty pounds.

Speaker 6 (16:30):
So what why what other of these Ohio State backs
I think would be that would be great.

Speaker 9 (16:34):
I got a feeling, I got a feeling that you're
gonna do something else At twelve and forty four.

Speaker 4 (16:39):
Talking about specific yeah, yeah, other than running back.

Speaker 3 (16:42):
Running back.

Speaker 4 (16:42):
Yeah, I'd get a running back at forty four. I
wouldn't at twelve.

Speaker 2 (16:45):
Okay, yeah, because there's there's only one there and you
don't think it would be Yeah, I don't think he's
gonna be there.

Speaker 9 (16:50):
Okay, yeah, yeah, is he not gonna Is he not
going to be there? Just because of the depth of
what's what we're starting to see at the top of
the sport. Think it's that conversation we had the top.
It's it's the it's the Raider thing.

Speaker 4 (17:01):
Starting to free up.

Speaker 6 (17:02):
Some are the Bears starting to really load up on
the offensive line, understanding what they are trying to do offensively.

Speaker 4 (17:07):
The Raiders what they have done. They've gotten their quarterback.

Speaker 6 (17:10):
Well I don't know if they did, but they say
now quarterback, yeah, and they just need a running back.
They need a game change in running back because that
was the worst backfield in the NFL last year, hands down.

Speaker 2 (17:19):
So I want to talk about replacements, but just in
a different area because we've talked about Javonte Williams, pairing
him with somebody to replace Rico Dwell, talked about Solomon
Thomas and Peyton Turner as possible replacements for Chauncey Golson
on the defensive line. But the biggest name and the
number one name that the Cowboys are going to have
to replace is at nickel corner. Where are we going
in this NFL draft when you look at the board

(17:41):
top to bottom to try and replace Jordan Lewis and
what he brought to the table. Is there a starting
caliber Nickel that's out there in the draft that you
would be comfortable using one of your early premium picks on.

Speaker 8 (17:54):
I'll tell you what Man barn is there. But do
you draft Baron at twelve to just play nickel forty?
That's the question, you know, because I think he can
do fine just as an outside guy. But you know,
and then also too, just a Cowboys talk, like how
far are we from just saying, all right, Bland, we've
been We've been having this conversations about you being nickel guy.
Just get another outside guy that you trust for real,

(18:14):
and we could just take Bland back to where he
grew up, you know.

Speaker 5 (18:18):
And you know, yeah, I wonder if if they get
if they feel like they're in a pinch, like I
do think on the free agent market, they're in a
pinch right now if they wanted to try and address
Nickel there there's not a ton of options, and corner
has gone Cincinnati. That Hilton Hilton, Mike Hilton. Yeah, older guy, right,
older guy, and he gets he's got injury history. Okay,
that's just thing. I don't know how much they can

(18:39):
go that direction. I just don't know how much with
some of the issues that they're having right now in
terms of depth there, how much they want to lean
on potentially guy with that injury history. I do think
that the cost on the free agent market for corners
right now has been so high. Jordan Lewis at ten million,
He's on the bottom half of corners that have signed
so far by consider bull amount. So to me, yeah,

(19:01):
you're looking at you're you're looking at the draft and
so are you gonna draft a corner to play outside
and move bland in? Are you gonna look at the
third round? Are you gonna look at Jacob Parrish? Are
you gonna look at Baron Maxwell Haston?

Speaker 3 (19:12):
Yeah?

Speaker 9 (19:13):
See, I was thinking I don't have Harriston from Kentucky
as a second round player, but man, you might have
to hit him at forty four.

Speaker 4 (19:22):
Everybody love him, so you had to give him the third.

Speaker 9 (19:25):
I do have him at the third and I haven't.
I didn't move it, and I got him. And I
like Noel Williams from cal You guys know that.

Speaker 3 (19:33):
Two good ones.

Speaker 9 (19:34):
Yeah, so, but I I'm kind of in that mode
right now. But Harrison's probably gonna have to go at
forty four. Thomas from Florida State, do anything for you
in Nicol.

Speaker 6 (19:44):
I think he's more of an outside guy, but I
could see Nicol possibility.

Speaker 5 (19:50):
Yeah, one brother, Yeah, I like, I really like.

Speaker 6 (19:53):
Jacob Parrish out of Kansas State. I see Riley out
of Louisville. I think those are two.

Speaker 9 (19:57):
See. I have both those guys in the fourth, and
I have a feeling they're probably both going to go
in the third.

Speaker 5 (20:02):
I think, uh, I think, I mean, I think this
team likes Thomas. I think they would probably view him
outside though, and so but I mean, again, that's not
going to be a problem if you just say Bland
will play inside and that Bland will play the nickel,
and that may be what they have to do. I
think they thought they were going to get Jordan Lewis back,
and I think that this is kind of. I think
they are in a state right now where they're having
to do some adjustments and trying to figure out where

(20:24):
they might be able to find some answers.

Speaker 6 (20:26):
You have a lot easier time convincing to Ron Bland
to play at Nickel if you get an extension done
with him before the season starts.

Speaker 5 (20:33):
Got a lot of you got a lot of room,
you know something there? Yeah, look, you got a lot
of room.

Speaker 3 (20:39):
Right.

Speaker 2 (20:40):
I wish your job saying when you said that, because
they're they're playing Jacob Parish film, which, by the way,
Zach Wilchuck just text he said he's the answer in
terms of the Nickel Corner spot.

Speaker 12 (20:49):
But I.

Speaker 3 (20:51):
Got him. I think I got a couple of these
guys too low that perish perish.

Speaker 2 (20:56):
In the fourth when when you're looking at it, you've
brought up Jalen Kimber from Penn State before.

Speaker 6 (21:03):
Right, Yeah, it's more so like a late Day three.
That's a late guy, right, Yeah, that's more so like guy.

Speaker 3 (21:08):
He get a combine invite.

Speaker 4 (21:09):
I don't think he did not get a combine invite.
That was a surprise.

Speaker 6 (21:11):
Dan Jackson was another one that was surprising, even though
I was kind of pooping on him on Tuesday. Another
nickel type guy that I really liked coming out of
the All Star Swing was Robert Longer Beam out of Ruggers.
That's a guy that I've heard good things on. And
then Jalen Smith at USC really talented player who's played
multiple spots in the secondary. Talking to a lot of
dB trainers in Indianapolis, Jalen Smith is a guy that

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they feel like is not getting enough love in this
draft process. So Jaylen Smith would be another one. I
think there's some talented Nickels in this draft.

Speaker 11 (21:40):
I do.

Speaker 6 (21:41):
And if you feel like you have to wait till
day three to go get one, now, look, it's gonna
be tough finding a starter on day tree, but you
might be in that situation because you have to fill
some other holes on the first couple of days. I
think you might be able to hit on one or two.
Elijah Hussey out of North Carolina really shining at the
Shrine Bowl. I remember Isaiah stand Back, Me and him
were sitting on the side of the sideline watching practice
during the Shrine Bowl and he that was his favorite

(22:02):
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another one. I would throw out there.

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pit like he liked seeing those guys go up against
each other throughout. Now, Jaylen Smith was the guy who
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Speaker 3 (26:16):
The twenty all right.

Speaker 2 (26:19):
When we were talking about Javonte Williams earlier about the
NFL draft side of things with Javonte Williams on the
roster outside of Ashton genty, which one of those two Await,
that's actually the exact same question.

Speaker 3 (26:30):
We just talked about. Two or three round? Where are
you going with this? Yeah, two or three round guys
that we would end up being with. Okay, let go
echo echo, Yeah, let's do Christians question.

Speaker 2 (26:39):
This is a this or that You've got MIKEL Williams,
the addresser out of Georgia that we talked about on
Tuesday radio, and at forty four you got Caleb Johnson,
the running back from Iowa.

Speaker 3 (26:51):
So you address your your.

Speaker 2 (26:53):
Running back spot, or you go with Luther Burdon wide
receiver at twelve out of Missouri, and you go with
Donovan Jackson and at Rusher at forty offensive regard from
from Ohio Ohio State at forty four to address your
offensive line spots. So you're either running the ball with
Johnson or you're throwing the ball with Burden, and then

(27:14):
you're playing a little defense with Mikel Williams and Donovan
Jackson's blocking for I guess Javonte Williams.

Speaker 8 (27:21):
The Luther Burden Jackson one seems to have better, you know,
better players for me. I would love to have Johnson
at forty four, but I'd have attitude that we drafted
Mikeil Williams at twelve.

Speaker 3 (27:32):
And it's people that think that I hate Michil Williams.
I don't hate my sounds like that.

Speaker 8 (27:37):
I just wouldn't appreciate him at twelve overall, well, because
I think, you know, if you're going to walk, you know, like,
tell me why we're drafting him, right. He's a run
guy that has upside as a pass rusher. I only
really seen him, you know, sacked Texas. I didn't really
see him sacking anybody else. So I just think if
I'm drafting at twelve, I think that would be much

(27:57):
better ready to go players right now. I'm I'm not
the guy that banks on upside. I love a good floor.
I love what are you good at right now?

Speaker 3 (28:05):
Because you're tired of upside?

Speaker 8 (28:07):
I hate upside upside because I don't know. I don't
know if you were I don't know if you work hard.
I don't know how good coaching is here. But if
I could just bank on anything, I want to bank
on the guys that okay, Well, I know you have
past rush moves. I know that you can play the run,
I know that you can line up in different spies xyz.
So I just feel safer with a Mike Green at
twelve than I would Mikel Williams. You know what I'm saying,

(28:29):
and you know, And then I saw him running this
forty on Twitter and I was like, ah, I was like, oh,
is here a.

Speaker 3 (28:34):
Three tech now?

Speaker 7 (28:35):
You know what I mean.

Speaker 3 (28:35):
So it's just a lot of questions.

Speaker 8 (28:37):
And Brian said this like a month ago, and I
think if you're drafting at twelve, you kind of want
to take to do with the least amount of questions.

Speaker 3 (28:44):
So that's why I would feel a little weird about
Mikell at twelve.

Speaker 6 (28:47):
Do you have more concerns about you're looking at the
roster right now? Do you have more concerns about this
team rushing the passer or stopping the run.

Speaker 8 (28:54):
Stopping the run for sure, but I think when you
drafting at in your first round, I don't want to
think of the team. I just want to take the
best possible to do.

Speaker 3 (29:02):
And I understand that.

Speaker 4 (29:02):
I understand that.

Speaker 6 (29:03):
I think more so, I guess I'm thinking about it
from my standpoint all. I have Williams and Green a
lot closer than maybe you do, and I see it
from a standpoint of like, Hey, Williams is a guy
that I believe that you can put in day one
start and he'll be able to stop the run and
seal the edge off for you, similar to how DeMarcus
Lawrence said early in his career. Now, granted, it's going
to take some upside, like you said, to get to
the pass rushing department, but I think you can do

(29:23):
that with the personnel that you have involved here. For me,
Mike Green, you're bringing him in as his pass rusher,
and you're giving up some of the run game there
because of his length, because of his lack of versatility. Sorry, Brian,
but I think with mikeel Williams, you have some fluidity
as far as what you can do with him.

Speaker 4 (29:40):
That was just my opinion.

Speaker 6 (29:41):
But I am curious about, not necessarily you the mike
El Williams hate in the draft community. I understand where
it comes from, but also factoring in his entire Georgia career.
He said he played a sixty percent last season, and
sixty percent looked pretty damn good to me. But I
don't know one thing to note. Matt I Refluse was
at George's pro day yesterday, front and center for Mikel Williams.

Speaker 3 (30:01):
He got a lot of Georgia players there like, yeah,
they do it for sure.

Speaker 8 (30:04):
Twelve overall matters to me, you know what I'm saying,
And he's a second round grade for me, but that
means he'll go like nineteenth overall or something like that,
which which is fine. But in my mind, if I
had to pick between him and the best wide receiver
on the board, I'm probably gonna, you know, choose the
wide receiver or the d lineman or the other edge
rusher that I just like a little bit more, or
the corners that we've been you know, bearing in particular, right,

(30:26):
I would just rather those guys than Williams. And you know,
if we got to reach for a nineteenth overall guy.
At twelve, then cool. Now if we trade back and
we end up with Michael Wis, then we can you know,
we can party and celebrate them.

Speaker 3 (30:37):
But twelve now, I.

Speaker 2 (30:38):
Feel like at trade back scenarios, all bets are off
at that point because you could go anywhere. You could
go with the cornerback spot, you could go with one
of those other second tier wide receivers that slips. You
could go with anybody there and kind of turn it around.
With kind of that in mind, William asked the question,
there's been the conversation about twelve to thirteen true first
round grades. You mentioned that a minute ago at fourteen

(31:00):
after the combine, and now that we're getting in the
pro days, has that changed at all for any of
you guys? Where where is your board at in terms
of your first round grades?

Speaker 3 (31:08):
Across it?

Speaker 5 (31:09):
Film is king? I don't want to change because somebody
you know run will or you know what if somebody
runs really poorly? Are you more likely to change a
grade based on somebody performing really poorly at the combine
or performing really well?

Speaker 3 (31:20):
I tend not to do either one.

Speaker 5 (31:22):
Yeah, I've been see I didn't used to and then
I got burned by tease taber one year, peace table
will burn you Tease table tea. That was the only
thing teess table woul Burn because he was not running
with anybody apparently with his four six two forty at
his size.

Speaker 3 (31:34):
But it's amazing how well he played on film though.

Speaker 5 (31:37):
Yeah, he was really good on film. Yeah, and then
he he couldn't he couldn't run, and he got to
the NFL and he was a mess. And he was
somebody on tape that looked like a first round player
and then he ran four six two and you go, okay, well,
why is a five eleven one and ninetyound corner running
four six two?

Speaker 3 (31:51):
That's not good. I kind of feel like these guys
can train for forties. That's what bothers me.

Speaker 9 (31:56):
Yeah, yeah, you know, you could get a guy like
and we've talked about and I'm the the example I
always uses the ursery from Minnesota tested really really well.
He doesn't play like he tests, so that that kind
of that's those are the kinds of things I'm I'm
with fog Listen. I would I would rather die on
the hill, the film hill, yep, than I would the

(32:17):
workout hill.

Speaker 6 (32:18):
I think there is value seeing these people up close
in person? Yeah, more so in like a Senior Bowl
or a shrine Bowl type.

Speaker 3 (32:23):
And I totally agree with you.

Speaker 6 (32:25):
A combine testing, Yeah, you do have to take it
with the grain of salt. There's a reason it exists,
and there's a reason that all thirty two teams go
and they see the guys in person. But I think
there is only some value put in.

Speaker 5 (32:34):
Tyler Shuck ran four six four At the comment Tyler
Shuck the quarterback. The quarterback, So Shuck ran four six
four When he first got into training, he was running.

Speaker 3 (32:45):
Five oh five.

Speaker 5 (32:46):
So I mean, like you're talking, and it kind of
depends on the margins. How how out of shape does
somebody show up when they start training, and how much
they can add to.

Speaker 3 (32:52):
The stuff other guys they learn how to start.

Speaker 5 (32:54):
Yeah, look, I mean trailing Burks, he ran four or
five oh a couple years ago. I think Burks showed up.
He was running for so I'm like, you can get
some But like I mean.

Speaker 2 (33:03):
Is that why you knock a guy though? Like a
test Johnson for instance, out of Oregon. I mean he
plays faster on tape than he did actually running the
forty does that tell you something about work ethic or
train or any kind of element there.

Speaker 9 (33:15):
Let me know how you could go to the combine
and not be ready for it exactly. That that tells
me more about your character that does anything.

Speaker 3 (33:22):
That's the question. Yeah.

Speaker 5 (33:23):
So, I mean I think that the testing doesn't bump
anybody necessarily. For me, what it will do is it'll
make me go back and like, okay, did I was
I seeing something wrong?

Speaker 3 (33:34):
Like if I watch Golden play, what do you see?
Do you see a fourteen time guy? Yeah?

Speaker 5 (33:38):
I didn't expect him run four two, But like when
I see it, I see it, yeah, yeah, yes, yeah no,
And like I mean, there's some guys that when I
see the testing, it's like, Okay, I didn't expect you
were gonna run like that, And then there are other
guys where it's like, wow, I really expected you to
be faster. Tony Pollard was not a four or five
guy on the field to me, Like he ran four
or five two or whatever he did at the comment,

(33:59):
that was not a four five player in pads on
the field, there's a little bit of a difference with
game speed and different things like that. I I had
if you count if you count the double first round
grade as receiver in corner for Travis hunder than I
had fifteen. If you got him as one player, than
I had fourteen, and I still got fourteen.

Speaker 2 (34:15):
I've got fifteen, and I'm pretty solidly at that number.
I feel pretty good about fifteen. Nick, you've seen Kobe
Hudson from from UCF. Yeah, towns and players as a player.

Speaker 9 (34:26):
See that's I'm saying there's a four or five guy
that plays a lot faster than four or five.

Speaker 3 (34:30):
On tape.

Speaker 9 (34:30):
He ran like four or five to one at the combine.
He's a He's a pretty depressive guy.

Speaker 2 (34:35):
Speaking of guys who had some pretty good combines. Ty
Felton from Maryland. So Darryl asked the questions, like I said,
why is Ty getting or not getting the love?

Speaker 3 (34:45):
He had a good combine. He's got some decent film
at Maryland.

Speaker 14 (34:48):
Anything on ty Felton from you guys, I have no
West's family, Okay, Yeah, just a bigger set guy. Not
bigger set, more so long, long and outside receiver that
you could definitely see pop on late day two or
early day three. I think he's a talented player. You
talk about production, he certainly has it. He was a
third team All American this last season. I mean, he's
I don't think there's necessarily lack of love for him.

(35:11):
I mean, you look at the production he had last year,
ninety six receptions and twenty four yards.

Speaker 6 (35:15):
Both of those stats led the Big Ten. I think
this is a guy who's getting properly valued at this
point in the process. I think I think the testing
certainly did help him out though.

Speaker 3 (35:24):
Or did you have him?

Speaker 4 (35:25):
I have him in the fourth, fourth round?

Speaker 3 (35:27):
Yeah, okay, good to know, move him forward. He was
a Senior Bowl guy as well. He was out there
from Maryland.

Speaker 6 (35:32):
Ty Felton didn't really shine at the Senior Bowl. Maybe
that was an expectation from from some people in the
part of it.

Speaker 3 (35:38):
Yeah, you had other guys kind of step up like
a jack back. Can you tell me who your favor
round guys are? Please? At wide receiver.

Speaker 4 (35:44):
Yeah, I will say that I don't have all of
them put together.

Speaker 9 (35:47):
Okay, now, so we'll have if I could throw Okay,
let me let me throw my fourth round at you
tell me Bryant from Illinois, Okay, Hudson from UCF, Higgins
Iowa State, and Bond from Tech.

Speaker 3 (36:00):
How how would you rate him among those guys?

Speaker 6 (36:02):
So I have Higgins above that list. I would have
Bond second. Who are the other ones you threw out there,
Bryant and Hudson, Bryant and Hudson, I would go Hudson, Bryant.

Speaker 2 (36:12):
So, Hudson from uc F, Pat Bryant from Illinois. Who
are the other names you said of? You said Bond
from Texas?

Speaker 3 (36:18):
Right? So you have you have this this Maryland kid
above all those guys. Is that ty Felton?

Speaker 9 (36:25):
No, I have him in the fourth That's what I'm saying.
Above Bryant, Hudson, Higgins, Bond.

Speaker 6 (36:29):
No, I have Higgins and Bond in the Higgins is
the second round grade. Bond is a third. Okay, and
then yeah, yea, I see the others are fourth throws.

Speaker 3 (36:36):
Okay, got you gotch him.

Speaker 2 (36:38):
Anybody watched Jordan James out of Oregon running back? We
had Brian He wants to know tell me more about
mister Jordan James.

Speaker 4 (36:46):
Yeah, I'm big Jordan James.

Speaker 3 (36:47):
Guy.

Speaker 6 (36:47):
I think Oregon's done a fantastic job in evaluating running backs.
And if you don't believe me, asked this front office.
They interviewed their running backs coach for the running backs
coach position here, Rashad samples he's a DFW DFW guy,
but yeah, Oregon really talented player. He ran hard for
the Ducks this last season. I like his set at

(37:08):
five to ten two ten. I think that is like
the perfect running back physique. I think if you take that,
you put that on the field, I think it translates perfectly.

Speaker 4 (37:16):
He has some ability out of the backfield.

Speaker 6 (37:19):
This is a guy I think you could take in
the third round at seventy six and you'd be comfortable
with it.

Speaker 2 (37:24):
Yeah, whenever I watched him, I mean I looked at him.
One of the more explosive backs in the country last year.
Electrifying runner, twitchy movements, make it hard from first contact,
runs bigger than his body type, uses every part of
the field by Oregon. He was used in the red zone,
he was used on the outside, used in the flat.
He was receiver out of the backfield, not maybe not

(37:45):
in every down back because he is smaller. He's not
I think he's gonna be kind of one of those
mid round guys that you could pick up and give.

Speaker 3 (37:52):
Quality snaps to. But he's not a three down guy.

Speaker 5 (37:55):
Yeah, he punches up the hit, Like, I mean, he's smaller,
but he's a he's pretty physical for it. Pound for pound,
he's the more physical running back.

Speaker 3 (38:01):
They sub him out as a pass protector, Yeah they do.

Speaker 5 (38:04):
Yeah, as does a physical run it Like that's a.

Speaker 3 (38:07):
The running part of it is really really great.

Speaker 9 (38:09):
I think the strength of a runner is really you'll
fight for extra yards all those stuff. If he has
a weakness, sits out a pass protector and he doesn't
have a great route tree, I'm sure he catches the
ball better then, But do you watch Oregon.

Speaker 3 (38:22):
He does not run a lot of routes. But I
worried about the pass protection part.

Speaker 5 (38:26):
Of it, which shot Shoty has mentioned before, Like that's
that is a component that he wants to see out
of the backs. He wants to see them be able
to do different things in the passing.

Speaker 9 (38:34):
It might not be his fault, it might be the
coordinator's fault there for the routes. But I didn't see
a lot of them.

Speaker 2 (38:40):
Yeah, and I'm looking at two. It was kind of
an imperfect offensive line play up front.

Speaker 3 (38:45):
Two.

Speaker 2 (38:45):
I mean they had some good, good guys up front.
We've talked a lot about Connor Lee out of the
tackle spot. There were times where he would just get
lost in the wash.

Speaker 3 (38:51):
The chunk player guy. Yeah, he would make it happen.
I had him in the bottom half of the of
the third, So third fourth is kind of right round.
Where'd you have him, Brian? I believe in the fourth
round about the same?

Speaker 2 (39:01):
All right, Now, this question has to do with what
I want to talk about in the third segment. I
want to leave a little bit of time here. The
question was from Ty. He wants to know how has
free agency and how have these trades kind of affected
what could happen before the Cowboys at pick number twelve.

Speaker 3 (39:20):
So we're going to take our break.

Speaker 2 (39:22):
We're going to answer that question, kind of sneak in
another Twitter on the twenty question and talk about how
things can shake out from one to eleven to affect
with the Cowboys may have available at pick twelve in
front of them in this April's NFL Draft. More of
the Draft show right after this.

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Speaker 3 (42:04):
Brian brought us Mike Harris.

Speaker 2 (42:06):
That was vatch Lombardi whenever he's he's in the back
talking about Fikel Williams.

Speaker 3 (42:11):
That's exactly what it was. And then we've got brought
Bobby delp I'm Kyle Yeoman's glad you're with us. One
of the update. This is what the draft pick situation
looks like.

Speaker 2 (42:20):
Remember the Cowboys early this week received four competitory picks,
three in.

Speaker 3 (42:24):
The fifth round, one in the sixth round. Well with
the Kyrie.

Speaker 2 (42:28):
Elam and the Kenneth Murray deals, it's kind of flip
flopped a little bit since then. So currently on the board,
then this is this is what it is at the moment.
It's probably going to change at some point soon because
who knows if they're done or not. But they still
have twelve forty four seventy six that has not changed
in the first three rounds. Then you skip the fourth round,

(42:48):
remember that pick is gone for Jonathan Mingo. But then
you've got three fifth round picks still one forty nine,
one seventy one, and one seventy fourth.

Speaker 3 (42:57):
You go into the sixth round.

Speaker 2 (42:58):
You've got two picks there to four to eleven two
ze fourths which you got back from the Bills in
the Kyri Elam trade, and then two picks in round
seven two thirty seven overall acquire from the Titans and
the Kenneth.

Speaker 3 (43:10):
Murray deal, and then two forty seven is what you
have there in the seventh.

Speaker 6 (43:15):
Essentially you took one of your fifth round picks, yep,
moved it back to the seventh.

Speaker 3 (43:19):
That's exactly what essentially, so you still have all those picks.

Speaker 2 (43:21):
You still have the darts at the dark board ten
overall selections three fifths, two six, two sevens, and that's
what you've got right now. Could possibly package those to
try and move up and get back into the fourth
that's definitely not out of the equation as well. But Bobby,
when you look up in front of the Cowboys, with
all of the free agent signings and movement and whatever

(43:42):
has happened over the last seventy two to four days
or seventy two hours four days or so, what is
the biggest change in front of the Cowboys that could
possibly affect what's available at twelve.

Speaker 5 (43:53):
So the biggest thing to me in the biggest wild
card to me right now, that's a little concern to
me is just how much San Francisco's been eviscerated. Yeah,
because San Francisco's directly in front of you, and now
San Francisco is just in a position where it's like, well,
we could take anything we want, and so well, I
think that they're in a spot where that's just going
to be that's going to give you a difficult read.
Like directly in front of you. You don't know what

(44:14):
they could be looking at, or they could be looking
at best player available. So if somebody happens to be
sliding that you're hoping for, san Francisco could go, well,
we could use that, we could use anything. Right now,
let's jump on that.

Speaker 9 (44:23):
I would worry about San Francisco trade now for picks
san Francisco. See that San Francisco seems like a team
that's selling right now, and I would worry about them
all of a sudden, Like people kind of get a
read on Dallas. Say, say the gent does make it down,
you know, say he gets past the Raiders and the Jets,

(44:43):
and he gets past Chicago and all that, and now
you're thinking, Okay, well, there's there's a player we're focusing
in on, and somebody just behind behind you is like, listen,
we see what's going on. That's the that's the best
player on the board, health, character, ability, boom, that's our guy,
and they get ahead of Dallas. There's there's teams that

(45:05):
have done that to Dallas a couple of times in
drafts where they've had like all of a sudden the
guy that was on the board for them or how
it was looked, and then they and then they get
traded in front. People have done a pretty good job,
and I think what happens is, you know, to be
honest with you, Dallas's.

Speaker 3 (45:21):
Draft has covered so much.

Speaker 9 (45:23):
These teams have kind of figured out watched the Draft show,
figure out what's kind of and I'm serious, it is,
I'm serious.

Speaker 3 (45:30):
They they're they're this team is covered so extensively in
the draft.

Speaker 9 (45:34):
I think people in these pro departments and draft and
college scouting departments get a gauge of what's going on
maybe with the Cowboys, and they're able to make really
good educated guesses of who they might take and and
you could kind of say, hey, we got to get
up ahead of that if.

Speaker 3 (45:50):
We want that guy.

Speaker 8 (45:51):
Do you think that's why two years ago, whatever it was,
the whole Michael Mayer thing came out, Sure, and the
Bills are like, oh, well, they're obviously looking for tight ans.
Let's jump and go get Kim K. But yeah, I
don't think the Cowboys were looking at kingk for it, Like,
do you think that that's wild?

Speaker 9 (46:06):
Well, and then and then Dallas Goddard was that way too.
If you remember the FLA, they Philly believed that Dallas
was going to take you know, and that was just
from Witting.

Speaker 5 (46:14):
Witten were hiring that weekend sure, because they just naturally simple,
they must be going for Goddard. So we got it
week But I think that.

Speaker 3 (46:19):
We do a really good job. And I'm not doing
this palle in the back.

Speaker 9 (46:22):
I'm just saying we covered this team in a way
that if you watch these shows, you could kind of
figure out.

Speaker 3 (46:28):
What they need, you know.

Speaker 9 (46:29):
I mean you could look at your own you could
watch your own tape, but like if you my point is,
San Francisco is to me a very dangerous team to
have in front of you the whole day because of
their They're probably looking at this thing the most famous
trade they ever made Bill Walsh. He took he had
a very high page, just kept going back and back

(46:51):
and back and back and just picking up picks and
that was the That was the draft in the eighties
that got them propelled to their Super Bowl teams. This
this team has a hit if.

Speaker 5 (47:00):
You look at who's been active ahead of them in
free agency so far and where that could potentially shift things.
Caroline has been very active in the secondary. They've added
a bunch of different pieces there. They just resigned JC Horn,
they added Trayvon Merrick. I think there was another corner
that they added in free agency, the Raiders getting Geno Smith.
That has raised some questions. It seems like of people

(47:21):
who are covering things with the Raiders that that's where
Genty goes now that they just look at and say, well,
we can go Genty. We're solid with Gino. Especially with
the Giants, end up saying they're not comfortable with whatever
they settle on in quarterback and free agency, whether that's
Aaron Rodgers or somebody else, because you would imagine number
one will be cam Ward, whether that's so the Titans
or whoever goes up and gets him number three. At
that point, you would think Giants could very easily go

(47:43):
Shador Sanders. Of course, there's also the Dane Brugler talked
about it. Dane said, coming out of Indy, he was like,
there's a chance should or sitting there when you're picking
at twelve.

Speaker 6 (47:51):
I was going to say, I want to prepare people
for that conversation because it's a conversation we're gonna have
to have on this show. If Shador is there at twelve,
we're gonna have to have the conversation. Not gonna happen,
but I just want to prepare people for the conversation.

Speaker 14 (48:03):
Look at him being there, him being there, or being there,
him being okay, Because you look at Cleveland at two,
they're hosting Russell Wilson for a visit today.

Speaker 6 (48:11):
The Giants looking at Aaron Rodgers really hard. Vegas went
and got Geno Smith. New York Jets went and got
Justin Field and seem okay with it. You go back
and everyone else has got their quarterback. Yeah, so I
mean it's it's Brown's.

Speaker 5 (48:22):
Browns also went and got Kenny Pickett too, so they've
got Picket Watson their host and visits. I mean, yeah,
there's there's a chance that he could fall down there
unless the Giants just say we're going this direction.

Speaker 3 (48:33):
I don't know that.

Speaker 5 (48:34):
I mean, one of the big things is Jacksonville. It
seems like did a lot to kind of address offensive
line as well, So that was kind of a thought
at one point Will Campbell could go there. So if
Will Campbell's not going to Jacksonville at five and then
you see okay six, the Raiders maybe take somebody else.
Now you're starting to talk about is their chance Will
Campbell gets pushed down a little bit, and you might
be in play for that, And that's a question.

Speaker 6 (48:56):
Watch the Texans with Will Campbell. I could see them
jumping up really high.

Speaker 3 (48:59):
To go Laramy Tunseel you can maybe reach.

Speaker 5 (49:04):
I don't think Houston views Campbell as a tackle though,
I think I think it would be a guard. I
think Houston thinks of him as a guard.

Speaker 3 (49:10):
Which they just traded their guard. So that you've you've
got some movement there. Now.

Speaker 2 (49:14):
The Sanders conversation is intriguing because remember the backup quarterback
situation is still unsolved here in Dallas. You've got that connection,
You've got the thought process. Oh, I mean, I'm like
you said, it's a conversation that has to be had
because at least when you look at the breadcrumbs of
what has happened in the front office before, and Johnny
Manziel is the first thing that comes to mind.

Speaker 3 (49:35):
They didn't make that pick, but there was somebody in
the front office.

Speaker 2 (49:38):
That wanted to make that pick, and we just talked
about it during his retirement press conference. Is Zach Martin
and what it was with Johnny Manzel no chance that
this that's a legitimate conversation upstairs.

Speaker 6 (49:49):
The fact that they did, he'd be on a rookie contract,
it would not expire, or he'd be going into his
fifth year after Dak Prescott's contract is already out.

Speaker 4 (49:58):
It makes no sense at all. I'm just preparing people.

Speaker 2 (50:01):
Who see it last year with Atlanta doing the same thing,
they went and signed Kirk Cousins. Now, separate situation. It
wasn't the homegrown talent, it wasn't the guy. That's fair,
but Atlanta had.

Speaker 3 (50:10):
Just signed kirk Cousins to a multi million dollar.

Speaker 2 (50:13):
Huge contract, Like how dumb that decision is then turned
around to Michael Pennix and drafted him to ten.

Speaker 5 (50:18):
You're also looking at because I mean, here here's the
only either. Here's the only problem too is if you're
looking at that, it's like, well, maybe you can have
a trade down center.

Speaker 3 (50:25):
Yeah, like if Santa is on a ball, nobody's gonna
come are.

Speaker 5 (50:28):
Exactly exactly what and maybe Indy comes up for it.
But like outside of that, you look behind it, it's
Miami they just paid too, It's Atlanta. They've got Pennix, Arizon, Arizona.
I I don't see Shador as a Pittsburgh Mike Tomlin
type of player. Maybe, but I just I don't think
that that's a I don't know that he would look
at that and go that's.

Speaker 3 (50:45):
Why would I had twelve take Jackson Dart over him?

Speaker 5 (50:49):
Over? Yeah, you have Jackson Dard ahead of Shadore.

Speaker 9 (50:51):
I mean, I just, I mean I have not studied
the quarterbacks extensively, but why when I keep watching old
miss tape, I kind of feel nothing to kids Andrews.
I kind of feel like Jackson Dart might be a
better player.

Speaker 5 (51:04):
I mean, so it's interesting if you look at the odds,
the the odds that Vegas places on your number one picks,
not that any of us would take part in that,
because that would go against NFL rules, but the odds
that are put out there on it cam Ward is
the overall favorite to be the number one pick. Then
it's like Travis Hunter Rabdul Carter and so you get
to the seventh best odds to go number one is

(51:24):
Jackson Dart and it's all like they're astronomical odds. But
it's because teams so valued quarterbacks and will go all right,
there's a chance somebody could fall in love and so
momentum builds and you could have that. So I mean,
dark could be somebody that goes up. I don't I
heard more and more out there while we were in
Indy that it does seem like there's some teams that
really like Shador Sanders and having as the number one quarterback.

(51:47):
It sounds like there's a lot more people out there
who maybe there's a random you know, executive or a
random team that's like, we like Tyler schuckmore than s
or we like Jackson Dart more than Shaud, or there's
there's not a consistent feel about him from team to team.
An evaluator to evaluate.

Speaker 4 (52:05):
Tyler Shuggs gonna get a GM fired.

Speaker 2 (52:08):
What is what is up with the hype around him
right now out of Louisville, and again, quarterbacks are one
of the last positions I look at to y'all might have.

Speaker 6 (52:16):
A better perspective than me. I think it's the testing.
I think it's the combine performance. You pair that with
a really damn good agent, and I think I think
it's it's why Tyler Shuggs gotten a lot of love,
I think.

Speaker 4 (52:27):
But I have Kyle McCord over this guy. Yep, I
have a hold.

Speaker 6 (52:30):
Let me go back to my board if it would
load for me, Jackson Dart shoot, I have Dylan Gabriel
over this guy. I mean, I'm Quinn yours, I'm Riley Leonard.

Speaker 5 (52:40):
There was a I mean, I mean that Tyler Tyler Shuk.

Speaker 2 (52:47):
I'll stand on the table for Riley Leonard as like
a Day three guy in the seventh, But I don't
have him. Yeah, I mean that's where I have done right.

Speaker 3 (52:54):
Now, you know? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, probably?

Speaker 7 (52:56):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (52:57):
What is it another other other?

Speaker 8 (53:00):
Like on my board, I don't sixes and sevens or whatever.
I just go to fifth round and as everybody else.

Speaker 4 (53:05):
Yeah that's fair.

Speaker 5 (53:06):
Tyler Shuck Uh. Tyler Shuck enrolled at Oregon before the
Cowboys drafted Layton vander USh, and Layton vander USh has
now retired, and so that's how long ago and college.

Speaker 3 (53:20):
But the thing was, I thought you were about to
say the Cowboys became an organiza. No no, no, no, no, no, no, shut.

Speaker 5 (53:24):
But I mean, he's he's going to be twenty six soon.
He's an older quarterback. I think the thing with Shuck
is the NFL has because he's been in college for
so long. There was a time three years ago where
some of these scouting agencies, uh that the NFL used
their services, had looked at it. He's they they really.

Speaker 3 (53:41):
Liked him a few years ago, like Blessed National.

Speaker 5 (53:43):
Yeah, like they they thought really highly of him at
one point, and so I think that the league also
had a high opinion of his upside at one point.
He dealt with injuries, he had other things happened. So
I also think that there's this kind of long standing
love affair that some of the league has had with
him for a while that that also might explain why
it's finally coming to fruition this guy that they've they've

(54:04):
had some eyes on for a few years.

Speaker 6 (54:06):
Broken collar bones, shoulder surgery, broken fibula, he's missed a
ton of time during his college career.

Speaker 4 (54:11):
He's got the size six five two thirty and I.

Speaker 3 (54:13):
Think that's probably read out over like twelve seasons.

Speaker 4 (54:15):
Exactly.

Speaker 6 (54:16):
It's not that bad when you take that context in.
He's got the size six five two thirty. I understand
the appeal. I'm just it's not for me, not my
cup of tea.

Speaker 2 (54:22):
It's kind of a weird conversation, the shug element of it.
Any other spots to highlight between one through eleven?

Speaker 5 (54:30):
Uh, you know, yeah, I think when we're just looking
at this, that's the bigger questions right now are some
of these active teams like Jacksonville and Carolina, Like how
does that potentially shift things?

Speaker 3 (54:39):
New New England.

Speaker 5 (54:41):
New England has had some so New England has signed
it like a baling team to me, New England. Yeah.
So for a long time, the popular mock pick to
New England was Ted McMillan and that kind of cooled
a couple months ago, and.

Speaker 3 (54:52):
Then it became Graham.

Speaker 5 (54:54):
Graham was a really popular one. They just signed Milton Williams, right,
They added Tonga, who's not a three technique, but they've
added to the defensive line and so I kind of
wonder do they want to keep doing that with Carter?
Does uh does Mike Rabel sit there and fall in
love with somebody like Jayalen Walker? You know, I'm I'm
gonna be interested, see that. I know that Mike Rabel

(55:15):
for the old school mentality, he gets hit with a lot.
The the second things really turned for him in Tennessee
was when they traded aj Brown and he didn't want
to And so I do wonder if he would prioritize
somebody like McMillan, because I can't figure out why people
are falling out of love with McMillan the way that
feels like Kyle Hamilton at receiver to me, where it's
like people have been no like Kyle Hamilton what he

(55:37):
was in the draft a couple of years ago, wherever
you said that's a top five talent. Somehow he just
kept sliding down where it's almost like people got fatigued
hearing about him for so long and overthought him right
that that eventually they I wonder if ted McMillan's sort
of the same way. People are just starting to overthink
him a little bit and and are not They're losing
sight of what kind of a great player he is,
which is, to me, one of the three best players

(55:58):
in the draft.

Speaker 6 (55:59):
Signing Mac, how does that deter New England from going
and getting a guy like Tea Mack.

Speaker 5 (56:04):
I wouldn't got if it was my team. I sure yeah,
I sure hope they wouldn't say we got Mac Collins,
we don't need Ted McMillan. But potentially, I mean they again,
New England's one of these teams that they need everything.
I think anybody who's clearly in a period of change,
like San Francisco is or has a new staff is
always a threat ahead of you. So a New Orleans
is also you don't know how they're gonna go. Well,

(56:24):
we look like we have somebody here, but our new
staff doesn't like that guy, so we need somebody.

Speaker 6 (56:28):
It was like the Anthony Edwards quote in the playoffs
last year. They got Kevin Durant, we got Josh McDaniels.

Speaker 3 (56:34):
All a quick.

Speaker 4 (56:35):
I would bring in an NBA quote at least once
every show, Jade McDaniels, You'll find a way you find Josh.
That's what threw me off of the right. It was
on this Patriot Talk.

Speaker 3 (56:46):
Yeah, getting right back into it.

Speaker 2 (56:48):
And remember new head coaches kind of all scattered throughout
one through eleven anyway, So it's gonna be tough to tell.
Just like you said, who they're gonna fall in love
with what these stabs like, we've got a new head
coach to deal with too. In that same kind of elements,
it's tough to really see exactly what one through tel
twelve is gonna look like.

Speaker 3 (57:05):
Bobby A question of course. So you're right, you're my
You're my? What the league says guys on last Draft show?

Speaker 8 (57:14):
It seems that we're in different places about Josh Simmons, Right,
what's the league saying now that his knee is healthy,
Like is he going to be a dude that teams
are looking at the possibly be like a top ten guy?
Or is he still going to be in that late
first conversation like he won?

Speaker 5 (57:28):
I mean, I think I think that I don't think
he's top ten at all. That I haven't heard anybody
from that the most. In fact, I've heard more, not
just about the injury. I've just heard more split opinions
on him, where some people think like, oh, that's the
first round tackling some others who are just a little
bit more. Now that's more like a second guy to me.

Speaker 8 (57:43):
I think that's so strange because I think he's the
best offensive lineman his whole damn draft.

Speaker 3 (57:46):
And I think that's weird. Best.

Speaker 8 (57:48):
I think he's the best old lineman his whole damn draft.
I think he's I think he's ahead of Johnson Banks.
I think he's had all those guys I like, like
as a left tackle.

Speaker 3 (57:58):
This is coming from a Tyler booker stain.

Speaker 8 (58:00):
I love me some Tyler book but just watching the
film on on On Simmons, like how he moves, like technique.
He's a run game guy, pushing people in the run game,
great pass block. I mean, yeah, he got hurt, and
if we're gonna use the hurt situation, right, I get
it if we're using hurt, But if you get a
tap on your show to say, hey, his knee is fine,
I'm thinking his knee is fine as like a Will

(58:20):
Johnson forty four us like a good boy like that
should boost him in my personal opinion. Sure, And I
just saw nothing but Dominanta for him this year, like
last year, you know, twenty twenty three, ta you know,
growing pains or whatever. He had to kind of make
some adjustments or whatever. But until he but up uptil
he got hurt, I'm thinking he beating the hell out
of people. And I'm listening to people talk about Josh Simmons, All, yeah,
he'll go in the twenties or something. Yeah, maybe a

(58:41):
second round guy. I think Simmons is a dude.

Speaker 5 (58:43):
He's a classic tackle too. I think in a draft
where you kind of wonder if some of these tackles
are better guards, like Banks and Campbell and stuff, Simmons
is like, that's a legitimate tackle. And then so anybody
who wants a clean, I want to clean tackle prospect.
Depending on how you feel about where he's at, then
he would be the top I would imagine.

Speaker 8 (59:00):
I think if if he was in last year's draft,
I think we'll be like, Okay, well there's all, and
there's there's all.

Speaker 3 (59:07):
You know, there's.

Speaker 8 (59:09):
Um O Lou and there's these. I think he'll be
like the fourth guy in the list. I think he'll
be right ahead of Latham. I think he'll be right
ahead of Memes. I think that highly of him. And
if you can take that dude and put him in
this draft where we don't have a lot of faith
in the dudes in this draft. I think he'd be
a slam dunk top ten fifteen type dude. But I'm
just not hearing people talk about him like that. I
think that's a that's a that's a little wild. I'm

(59:31):
not gonna call it nonsense because I respect everybody, but
I think that's nice. I think he has some fantastic film.
I'm not going to I think I think he's a dog.

Speaker 3 (59:39):
Please go ahead.

Speaker 4 (59:40):
This is This is a very strange draft.

Speaker 6 (59:42):
And I know you've talked about this, Brian, about how
many players are coming in, especially at the top, that
are hurting not only corner position, but we're talking about
tackles as well. We'll talked about a couple of running
backs as well, and then we're also talking about a
lot of guys where it's like check the twenty three tape.
Because of twenty three tape, you see the ceiling there.
This is a difficult draft to evaluate, and I think, uh,
anybody that puts in the time and the effort in
this draft, kudos to you. Kudos everybody on this show.

(01:00:04):
This is This is gonna be a tough one. I
think there's gonna be some misses in this draft in
the first round for sure. And I also think there's
gonna be some random hits because you see a twenty
four tape and you're like, eh, but there's, you know,
maybe some bright spots earlier in a guy's career that
shines in the NFL. So this is an interesting class.
I will Josh Simmons is a perfect example of that.

Speaker 5 (01:00:21):
One last thought on Simmons or one last opinion from
und league on Simons. I do know that there's one
team that thinks Grant's better, Charles Grant.

Speaker 3 (01:00:30):
William and mayor Josh Simmons. Team suck at draft.

Speaker 5 (01:00:33):
I'm not agreeing.

Speaker 3 (01:00:34):
I'm just saying, he yo be, heyo be. Put the
camera on me, please be, please, please be. Okay, teams
suck at draft and I ain't trying to get none
of it. That's gonna do it for us here on
the draft. Make that a short.

Speaker 8 (01:00:47):
Put that on Twitter, please yeah, clip it, William and
Mary please, Charles Grant, that's funny, doesn't even have enough
class to show up to the Seni Bowl, please really?
And Josh Simmons, mall and big ten talent. Charles Grand
whooping the damn Towson Keys, please get please about it.

Speaker 4 (01:01:04):
He's like giving them hugs to me.

Speaker 3 (01:01:05):
Yeah, he was a little grabby at times.

Speaker 11 (01:01:09):
You know.

Speaker 3 (01:01:09):
It's just part of it, all right.

Speaker 2 (01:01:11):
For Nick Harris, for Brian broad As, Fox Lombardi, Bobby Belt,
Chris Beam in the back of Kyle Yeoman saying so
long from the Draft show.

Speaker 3 (01:01:17):
We'll see you next week.

Speaker 1 (01:01:19):
This has been a production of Dallascowboys dot Com and
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