Draft Show: Golden Standard

Two weeks away from the 2025 NFL Draft and the Cowboys continue to weigh their options for the 12th overall pick. Will Dallas go with a spot other than receiver, or is it as simple as ‘Golden or McMillan’ to spice up the offense?

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Speaker 1 (00:04):
Is the Dallascowboys dot Com Draft Show, your war room
for insider news and draft analysis from deep within the
confines of Cowboys Headquarters at the Star Infrasco. And now
your host, Kyle Yeomans.

Speaker 2 (00:22):
Today is Thursday, April tenth, twenty twenty five, and we
are two weeks out, fourteen days away from the NFL
Draft in Green Bay, Wisconsin. Welcome into the Draft Show,
presented by Miller Light, the only beer of the Dallas Cowboys.
We have Zach Wolchuck Brian brought us Fox Lombardi with
Chris Beam in the back. I'm Kyle Yeomans. Two weeks out,

(00:43):
that's when things start getting really real. You start taking
your final notes. Teams are getting together, they're looking at
their boards. Brian nerve racking time of year because now
it's lying season. Even more so you start seeing all
those mock drafts and all the different craziness that could
possibly ensue. When you're two weeks out, What are we
thinking is happening across the hallway? Just ready?

Speaker 3 (01:04):
You're just ready to get this damn thing over with
it does at this point in time. I mean no,
and I say that with tongue in cheek to me,
this is where.

Speaker 2 (01:12):
You know that maybe there's some positions.

Speaker 3 (01:15):
That you're really really not totally comfortable with that you've
gone through, and you know, there's there's a lot of
positions that you can say, Okay, it's a B, C
and D, and there's some positions on this board right
now that there's probably going to be a little bit
more conversations, probably a little bit more discussion, probably a
little bit more disagreement, probably a little bit more. If

(01:37):
you know you're the general manager, director or player personnel,
you're going to say, are you really sure about that?
You know, and as you start to compare and now
you'll start to get the coaches involved here, and that
can make things either really smooth or really confusing. And
so you know, we've we've heard from Brian Schottenheimer that
he's really interested in the scouts doing their job and
the coach is doing their job. If that's the case,

(01:59):
then a lot of discussions will come down. Yeah, you
want your opinion of your coaches and stuff like that,
but you don't want them to muddy the situations here.
A lot of these guys have not been in the NFL,
and so you know, they know what the NFL, what
it's all about. But you have to know about a
level of player. You have to know who the Giants
are playing with, what the Eagles are playing with, the

(02:19):
with the Commanders you're playing with. So Scout's doing their job,
but there's there's still some discussions. We get down to
that final week, it's going to be more about talking
about mock drafts and potentially the pitfalls or the abilities
to go up or to go back, and you can
make those determinations. But right now there's still some discussions
about some positions that are pretty kind of muddy. When

(02:40):
you look at cornerback, wide receiver I think a little bit,
and then maybe even the defensive tackle group I think
is a little bit of a muddy position for some
teams right now.

Speaker 4 (02:51):
Yeah, you know what, Brian, you just said something to
made me think about something. And boy, I hope he's
on topic because boy to chet hate when I get
off top, but get off. I'm sorry, but this made
me think about the draft last year, right we clearly
you know, running back was on the table, yep. But
running back kept getting pushed back. And what they came
out and said to us was we got to a

(03:11):
point in the draft to where the running back that
we could have got wasn't better than Rico.

Speaker 3 (03:16):
He's not here any longer, so you can throw that
out the window.

Speaker 5 (03:18):
Sure.

Speaker 4 (03:19):
Yeah, So what I'm wondering now with this board and
maybe we'll do it next week or the next shoor whatever.
I wonder what point in the draft at each of
these unit groups are we going we don't have to
take Mitchell Levin's the center because we got such and
such at home, you know, like, like what round do
we not look at guys anymore?

Speaker 2 (03:38):
Are you cutting that off? Like what's the furthest that
you'll stretch for you?

Speaker 4 (03:43):
So I was having a conversation if we looking at
wide receiver and wide receiver is an emergency, we would
all say, I'm really not looking past round two for real?
You know what I'm saying, Like, I'm trying to get
one of those first round guys maybe best Royals, a
manor I'm looking at those guys. But man, when I
get down like Kobe Hudson or something, right, Yeah, man,

(04:04):
I kind of got you know, let's uh, you know,
Florida Noi is here, so maybe we can try to
develop him as opposed to going that route. So I
wonder maybe one day we'll just map out, like not
doing my draft, but map out of my draft. Where
do we stop looking at receivers, Where do we start
looking at offensive tackles, Where do we stop looking at
running backs?

Speaker 5 (04:20):
I think that'll be interesting to look at.

Speaker 2 (04:21):
I do want to do that with a little bit
of studying, because I want everybody to kind of bring
in their own specific topic of like, Okay, I've gotten
it to the third round, for sure. Sure I've gotten
it to the fourth round in this position, whereas the
other one, I may not even look outside of the
first If it's a specific position in the first round,
I'm not looking at it.

Speaker 4 (04:38):
Because third round safety and down is nonsense. But fifth
round corner is fine, fifth round running back is fine,
you know, fourth fifth round, you know, edge is cool
to me. Fourth round wide receiver I may not be
the biggest fan of, so I think that'll be you know,
something interesting to you know, maybe hear what they got
to say about it. They won't tell us, but you know,
just you know us as draft show guys probably talk.

Speaker 6 (05:00):
Well, it could be a good question. Like day three
when we get to scout and the coaches in here.
You know, when do you look at that? I mean,
I'm always for a strength can still be a strength. Right,
If you have a player that's traded really high, why
not just take them? I mean, do they have a need.
When they took Ceedee Lamb seventeen overall a few years
ago at wide receiver, you shall have Gallop at the time.
He selled to Mary Cooper at the time, but then
they did end up really needing Ceedee Lamb because you

(05:20):
move on from Mariy Cooper and then he ends up
being your wide receiver one.

Speaker 3 (05:24):
So to me, it's just you gotta trust the process.
You gotta trust your board.

Speaker 6 (05:28):
And even if you're not seeing, like man, I got
a blinking light, I feel good about safety. If and
Andrew mccooba is there in round two, you feel like
he can be an improvement for you, go ahead and
take that guy. I think that's how you are able
to be a consistently good drafting team.

Speaker 4 (05:41):
And then we could just make this recent news, pardon
I'll touch you again, be recent news. Right, So now
we have this this guard room of Hoffman and Bass
and Charles is here now, so I think we all agree,
like Tyler Booker, you know, Donovan Jackson kind of sweeps
all that and some of those guys will have to go.
But if we get down the round for so or
five and Luke Candra is there. Hell, we got a

(06:02):
lot of those guards here, are right, So let's name.
I like that name, Cincinnata.

Speaker 5 (06:05):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (06:06):
So so yeah, you know, so maybe we wouldn't look
at those guys because we got a room full of guards. Man,
somebody say, Oldvis, we've got twelve offensive lineman on the
roster right now, I say, damn, how many of these
guys can push some of those guys off? How many
of those guys wouldn't even matter to the guys who
have on the.

Speaker 6 (06:19):
Rust because I mean it's Charles gonna necessarily make the roster.
Who knows right, like these are competitive bodies.

Speaker 3 (06:24):
Yeah, I think with the thing with Charles, you got
to look at him, and I know watching I had
this conversation last night on our podcast, was that I
think Charles is brought in here to make sure that
Joe Milton has the ability to stand up upright on
preseason games. It's a great point. You don't want to
you do not want to have him. You do not
want to evaluate a position, especially quarterback, where your guy is.
And no, no, uh, disrespect to the Isaac Alacone or

(06:49):
anybody like that, but you know, when you've got guy
out there struggling his ass off to try and block
a guy who is a down the line, sixth or
seventh round edge or a tackle or something like that,
and your quarterback is getting sacked. Every player you can't
get plays off, you can't evaluate your players. So this
is a guy to me that is a veteran player
who's made starts. We'll see, hopefully you hit something here,

(07:12):
but he is really to play preseason games in the
second half and been able to keep your quarterback upright,
so you can evaluate him.

Speaker 2 (07:20):
There was an expectation before he retired in the middle
of training camp last year that he would be the
starting right tackle for Tennessee. I mean there was a
thought that absolutely the starting right tackle. So I don't
want to write him off entirely as twenty five years.

Speaker 3 (07:31):
Old make the team.

Speaker 2 (07:32):
He's been in the league since twenty twenty, spent the
thirty five games or so with Washington. He's played decent football,
but he's gonna have to earn that spot. And it
goes back to what Vach is saying is what point
do you look at offensive line and he say, man,
you know what, We've already got Sadique Charles here. We've
already got some guys here that we feel comfortable with.
But hey, if Will Campbell falls or if something else
happens in the second round, one of these other offensive

(07:54):
linemen that you could particularly like. Even though it might
not be the number one need at that point in time,
it's still enough to say, hey, maybe this is something
we can kind of build some depth around and try
and work it. So I do like the conversation, let's
do it on your next show. Let's get deeper into
that and kind of map out where we would stop
in certain positions because we feel comfortable one way or

(08:14):
the other. But kind of along the same lines, you
have to look elsewhere too. You've got to self scout
yourself and what you're doing and your scouting department, but
you also got to see what other teams are doing
as well. I kind of want to take a look
around the NFL for a little bit in this first segment.
What are some of these other teams going to do
not only just in the first round, but throughout the draft, Zach,
as we look at maybe some of these teams that

(08:36):
have some set in stone picks in the first round
but may not be your best friend when you're picking
at forty and seventy and some of these other spots
in front of you that could possibly take some of
your talent.

Speaker 6 (08:46):
Yes, San Francisco right in front of you can be
concerning in a couple of areas. Kyle Shanahan this week
gave a positive update on Christian McCaffrey, but then also
said they're always looking to draft running back, so that's
a team you got to kind of watch out for now.
They took guys at Grendo, who is a draft show
Darling a year ago out of Louisville in the fourth round.
But that's another team there. When you look at some
of these running backs, you don't take one at twelve

(09:08):
at forty four right in front of you. Is San
Francisco also going to be looking at a Caleb Johnson.
If on Maryan Hampton sounds like he's probably not gonna
make it the closer we get to the draft, now,
I wouldn't be surprised if three running backs ended up
going in the first round. I think Treyvon Henderson is
a guy and I preached this probably two months ago
that I think could creep into the first round as well.
So San Francisco is a team second round, third round.

(09:29):
If you wait on the running backs, you got to
look at them right in front of you there. Chicago
could be another team like that. I also think I've
heard San Francisco could be looking at defensive line. Walter
Nolan's a player that they might have their eye on
as early as the first round. There right in front
of you. There's been some whispers in this building. There's
a lot of love for Walter Nolan. Is that a
player that they'd be considering. So when you look at

(09:49):
some defensive linemen, I think running back that team right
in front of you in the forty nine ers could
be a team to watch out for where they could
gain end up maybe picking some of your guys right
right before you're on the clock.

Speaker 2 (09:59):
And they're kind of in a similar six situation though, right, Brian, Yeah,
when you look at it app and talent and having
to get rid of your top.

Speaker 3 (10:06):
Guys, I'd keep an eye on the Chicago Bears, especially
in the second round if they miss out on Ashton genty.
There's talk about them going to getting a running back
in the second round. Caleb Johnson is a name that
I've heard quite a prevalent there with the Bears. So
if you're a team that's sitting there like Dallas at
forty four and you're thinking running back might be the
last running back that you really really really like, and

(10:28):
then I'm talking about and when we break down tears,
we'll get into that. I got the very goods and
the goods. The very goods are in the second round.
The goods are in the third round, you know. So
if you want to sit there and have to go
from very good at forty four to dipping into good,
that might be the Chicago Bears, with Caleb Johnson a
possibility or a running back, whatever running back is available.

(10:49):
I'd keep an eye on the Bears right ahead of
you at forty four.

Speaker 2 (10:52):
And they have two picks there. They have one to
thirty nine and they have one at forty one, so
they're right in front of you twice. If they don't
get gent or I don't think see them taking a
Hampton at ten. But wherever they end up being thirty
nine and forty one. That could be a one to
two punch where you're not feeling great. They could use
that to trade back into the back into the first
round if they want to. I mean Trevion Henderson. Could
that be a Jamiir Gibbs like asset for a guy

(11:13):
like Ben Johnson who took him early in Detroit.

Speaker 3 (11:16):
Yeah, I think they're I think they're holding on genty
and depending on what happens with the with the Raiders
ahead of them, could be a possibility. The Denver Broncos
are a team actually behind you. I'm just thinking about
running backs potentially in the second round. The Denver Broncos
are a team that could come up behind from behind you.
We've talked about San Francisco's. San Francisco is a wild

(11:37):
card in this scene because San Francisco is not afraid
to trade to move to get out. They got they
need picks, they need players, they're trying to rebuild their team.
I'd be really really conscious of teams ahead of you
that are willing to move, and like I say, the
Broncos could be. With Sean Payton, we've seen him make
big swingeo to get up a board and if he

(11:58):
knows you're sitting on again on a running back at
forty four. Here's my running back speech, because I kind
of feel like you're looking at maybe a wide receiver
at twelve. If you're gonna sit there in Dallas's war
room and you're gonna hold on a running back at
forty four, there's teams ahead of you. When there's a
team behind you that could certainly know what your game
plan is. And Dallas has been jumped before in these drafts,

(12:20):
you know, and lost players that way. So Denver's another
team Bears ahead, Denver behind be aware of.

Speaker 6 (12:27):
Those ten they've been jumped by division teams. Another one
that I think is a wildcard is New Orleans. And
now New Orleans has a lot of familiarity with kind
of what you like is their head coach, right Kellen Moore,
Doug nus Meyers, their offensive coordinator, and New Orleans basically
needs everything.

Speaker 3 (12:42):
They could go in any direction.

Speaker 6 (12:44):
They might go quarterback there at nine, But if they don't,
I mean, are they looking at a corner? Are they
looking at an edge? Could they go offensive line? That's
another team that kind of has an idea of maybe
what you would be looking for based on having familiarity,
and they're picking a couple spots ahead of you in
every round as well, run.

Speaker 4 (13:00):
Beck is what you're looking for, you know? And and
y'all basically said it perfectly. So I won't you know,
add there, but I will say this, that's like the
negative of what can happen with the teams around you.
I think the positive that we should be you know,
that we could be mentioning there is like more quarterbacks
are just rumoredly, you know, so hey, bump a guy
down if you will. I don't know who the hell

(13:21):
said it, but there was like, hey, Jalen Milroe said yes,
I would be in Green Bay.

Speaker 3 (13:24):
Yeah, so yeah, said yeah.

Speaker 4 (13:27):
So he's not going to hang around to pick forty
four in Green Bay to be their lives. So we
can only imagine he's gonna be a first round guy.
So if we're looking at pick forty four, all those
guys it's in that twenty range that we liked, they
could end up there for us, you know. So, uh,
that's a positive thing that could happen.

Speaker 2 (13:41):
That would be best case scenario. I remember Malik Davis
the Liberate or not Malik Davis, Malik, Whillis, Delberty the Titans. Yeah,
he was around there for that that day that draft,
he was in the building. Yeah uh, it wasn't that
radio city at that point, but wherever that draft was.
And he ended up going in the third round and
was watching the rest of.

Speaker 5 (13:59):
That fire your agent, you sit around.

Speaker 6 (14:01):
Happened to Will Levis too a couple of years ago.
He early second you in early second he did, but
thought he was gonna go in the first round. Thought
maybe he could be a top ten pick, and that
could help you. If these running backs do go, let's say,
or if these quarterbacks go, let's say Tennessee takes one,
maybe should door slides New Orleans Jackson Dart Like, are
the Jets in the business there at seven? All of
a sudden, you have three quarterbacks that go before you're

(14:21):
on the clock there at twelve? Does a team like
Pittsburgh get a little antsy one of these other teams
that maybe they like a mill row? Does that help
your case if you're looking to trade back now, all
of a sudden, maybe the phone can ring and you
can go ahead and maximize that up.

Speaker 3 (14:34):
I kind of feel like that Sanders is going to
end up with the Saints at nine is where I think.
I think Dart's the next pick. I think I think
Pittsburgh is becoming comfortable with Dart. Okay, so I don't
know about them. I think Pittsburgh's gonna sit and wait
on that one. Is where I would go. Let me
try and sell you guys in another idea of before,
how interested are you in a corner? I'm interested? Yeah, yeah, okay,

(14:55):
how inter starre you in revel the corner from I'm
very interested?

Speaker 5 (14:58):
Okay.

Speaker 3 (14:59):
Like first, I know I have him as a first
round great great doctor Cooper did the surgery here. Cowboys
are going to have some information on this guy. If
you're holding on him, say potentially at the forty four
because you think it's a blue Star special cowboy injury thing.
Watch the Raiders right ahead of you there. Because the
Raiders they were thirty second in pass and pass defense

(15:21):
last year. They're going to add corners. You know, there's
going to be some guys that you're going to try
and wait on. I don't think you can. I mean,
like I say, he would be ideal for me, and
you know, because that would be a first round corner
off my board and the Cowboys did bring this guy
in for a thirty visit. Yep.

Speaker 2 (15:36):
I think that's the one team you got to navigate.

Speaker 3 (15:39):
Just kind of hearing that. Listen, we're looking at him
pretty strong and so at thirty with their thirty second
ranked pass defense. If you're sitting on him, be ready
that you might not get your guy there. If that's
the case, you might need to look at one of
these other cars. They just released a corner too. Yeah,
so that's a good point.

Speaker 2 (15:55):
I'm glad you brought up Las Vegas because I have
another wild card team and effects Las Vegas specifically. If
we had to guess right now, all four of us
sitting here on this table, who would go and pick
Ashton genty in the top ten?

Speaker 3 (16:08):
Who would your guest be Vegas? It'd be the Vegas Raiders, right, yeah,
Vegas Raiders. Vegas Raiders.

Speaker 5 (16:12):
It to be Vegas.

Speaker 3 (16:12):
There's a little bit of noise that Jacksonville could take
him in.

Speaker 2 (16:16):
Sure, I don't hate it, and there's a thought process
that they like him a lot.

Speaker 3 (16:19):
They haven't reported a single thirty visit, but.

Speaker 5 (16:21):
New Englis should take them like all those guys.

Speaker 2 (16:23):
Guys should take him so gent could be off the
board for Vegas at six. So let me ask you
that question. You talked about corner in the second round
for them at thirty seven. Could you turn around and say, Okay,
Vegas is on the board. They didn't get their guy
in the first round because Jacksonville snuck under their nose
took him at five. Could that be another team to
circle and say, uh oh, they may take a running
back from right in front of you at forty four.

(16:45):
Oh sure, no, no, no, absolutely, Like if they were
to go Will Johnson out of Michigan or Johny Baronet
of Texas to grab a guy, they may trade back
at that point.

Speaker 3 (16:53):
You know, we've been doing this since January. Genty was
never going to get to Dallas at twelve. Now, if
you watch this draft, he's one of the top three
players in this draft. I mean, people, are you kept
mocking and I'm like, guys, goals some one of the
top three players in this draft, regardless of the position.

(17:15):
You could sit there and fight me all you want
about running back positional value and all that crap. The
idea is to take the best player in the draft.
That's the idea. And when you start to talk about Hunter,
Carter genty. Those are some of the three best players
in the draft. He was never going to get to
you at twelve. We should not be surprised that all
of a sudden, you know, I mean, everybody's like a gosh, well, gent,

(17:37):
you know, when you're one of the best players in
this draft. And it doesn't surprise me that New England's
talking about him at four, that Jacksonville's talking about him five.
That's where he should, Dann be picked, regardless of the position.
He's one of the best players in this draft. He
was never going to get to you at twelve. It
was a pipe dream.

Speaker 2 (17:54):
You know.

Speaker 3 (17:54):
Everybody's oh, mocking, mocking, no, no, media scouts finally caught
up to the one of the best players in the draft. Yeah,
when they when you sat down and studied everything, and
you started talking to all your buddies, your guys and
gal friends around the league, they tell you, man, this
Cinty is a hell of a player. I don't think
we've seen one like him in a while.

Speaker 5 (18:11):
And then Brian, honestly, man, teams suck at draft and.

Speaker 2 (18:14):
I get this, Yeah, you should make a T shirt
at that.

Speaker 5 (18:17):
I will.

Speaker 3 (18:17):
I'm shocked you happy NFL is a strange lady and
teams sucking draft sucking draft.

Speaker 5 (18:22):
Yeah, McMillan shouldn't be in a conversation as well. Oh,
I agree.

Speaker 3 (18:26):
I think McMillan he should be gone. He's a top
five player for me.

Speaker 4 (18:29):
How come all of us can just all but this
this this team at kid boy, it's the top you know,
whatever got to me.

Speaker 2 (18:35):
But then when we hear putting them in the twenties, we.

Speaker 4 (18:37):
Hear media guys come out, Oh, I think he'll be
perfect for the Ravens or the Ravens where the Ravens
trade nothing to go get. I'm like, I'm I'm not
buying this new noise, that golden McMillan and you know, burdening.
They're just not talented enough to be top ten guys
or top twelve guys. My my board, Vashlon Bardi's board.
I'm keeping them first round talents. I'm taking them sixth overall,

(18:59):
you know, just six best guy on my board. I'm
not gonna lean into this new Oh, Hampton is gonna
go twelve, but McMillan's gonna go nineteen.

Speaker 3 (19:07):
Please.

Speaker 2 (19:07):
Mil I ran into to Barry's church on the way
back down here. On the way down to the studio,
I ran into Barry. He just finished up on players lounge.
He stopped and he goes, I got a question for you.
He said, Tet McMillan's not gonna be there at twelve, right,
he shouldn't be. And this is a guy who spent
his days in may day living trying to slow down
guys like Tet McMillan, and he's like, there's no way
he's gonna be there at twelve. Right. Well, that's the

(19:28):
thought process, right, is that some people the media side
of things are saying, man, this this is gonna be
a guy that's gonna slip a little bit. And he
showed up a scenario where he could slip in our
mock draft. I just don't see him even getting to
that point.

Speaker 5 (19:40):
If genty goes to the Jags or whatever.

Speaker 4 (19:43):
Right, and you're Vegas, man, why would you not give
Gino somebody to throw the ball to with Bowers and
make this young pass catching court?

Speaker 5 (19:52):
Like why would you not?

Speaker 4 (19:53):
Like why would you look and go, No, we're gonna
go with the with the edge that people got questions about,
or the corner that people got questions about.

Speaker 3 (20:00):
The injured corners, the injured corner.

Speaker 4 (20:01):
I'm not buying this this new nun so Cowboy fans
get ready. If Commas says prevails, team Max shouldn't be there,
so you better watch some Golden film and get rid
of him, just ocase.

Speaker 6 (20:11):
Yeah, no, Ma and Matthew Golden here in the building today.
The reports were that he's been here. But I do
think that stuff with McMillan is real.

Speaker 3 (20:20):
I think it Dax Scott Skyner report here at the
end of Yeah.

Speaker 6 (20:23):
I think it is possible McMillan's there. I think also,
I mean, do some teams look at Tyler Warren and
say they think he's the best pass catcher For that?

Speaker 4 (20:31):
I think there's no sense two people looking at Warren
over mcgillan. But I ain't gonna say that.

Speaker 3 (20:35):
I love Tyler Warren.

Speaker 6 (20:36):
I've got McMillan as my fourth best player, but I
got Tyler Warren is my seventh.

Speaker 3 (20:39):
I'm not here for the Tyler Warren slander.

Speaker 4 (20:41):
I'm not slammering him, but like, if you had to
pick one of them, I take McMillan.

Speaker 5 (20:45):
You can pick the wires ever, but I could.

Speaker 6 (20:46):
See teams with the impact and the mismatch problems that
tight ends have. And you just saw the brock Bowers,
you know, blowing up everything last year as a rookie.
I could see some teams fall in love with Tyler
Warren as well.

Speaker 2 (20:56):
I just don't I don't know if brock Bowers is
the exception not the type of thing. You know, I
think Warren, don't know. I like Warren a lot. He's
still my top tight end, but I'm not sitting here
saying he's going to be brock Bowers and put that
type of is he is he Kyle.

Speaker 3 (21:09):
Pitts or is he brock Bowers? Which one is he? See?

Speaker 2 (21:12):
I liked.

Speaker 6 (21:13):
I think it's different hockey, so different than both more
brock Bowers than Kyle Pitts.

Speaker 3 (21:18):
All right, I like what you just did.

Speaker 2 (21:19):
Yeah, yeah, who did you have rated higher?

Speaker 3 (21:21):
Though I had? I had both those guys higher than that, man,
I both. I mean, and I feel like that I
made a mistake on Pits. But you watch him play
at Florida. I mean that he was doing things that
down the scene, catching balls behind him over his head,
all that stuff like that. He just not has not
developed into what I thought he would. But that brock
Bowers has made me a real scout. Again.

Speaker 2 (21:41):
Ask every fantasy football owner ever. Everybody's made a mistake
on Kyle Pitts once twice.

Speaker 3 (21:47):
Ward's a really good player, though I wouldn't take him
in the top ten myself.

Speaker 2 (21:51):
But I appreciate you. I appreciate you standing on the
table for you.

Speaker 4 (21:54):
But I say it is though you want to You
want a good lab like a good pin throw. You know,
we just hated on mocks. Don't mess around. Let Coast
and Loveland go like fourteen or something. I'm gonna get
a good laugh about the better players bumping down the
board for us when they take Coast and Loveland too high.
I saw him in the mark. He was he was
going like eleven the summer, Like, well, yeah, that's gross.

Speaker 3 (22:13):
You're overthinking that. Just take Mason Taylor in movie. I
don't think no, no, no, right, listen, I'm not right.

Speaker 5 (22:20):
I get it, I.

Speaker 4 (22:21):
Listen, I get it. I love mock drafts like that.
Yeah know why, because teams suck at drafting. I hate
a perfect mock draft. While all the picks are perfect,
goofy picks in mock drafts make a lot of sense. Yeah,
because one day, we're gonna wake up. Go what you
mean Cole Strange when the first round, Yeah, that's real talk.
Yeah yeah, Cleveland Farrell at four.

Speaker 2 (22:38):
You'll get a Randall team suck.

Speaker 5 (22:40):
They will take Coast and Loveland and we will have
a good laugh. Wilch up.

Speaker 3 (22:43):
That's why Makke gonna push you out player.

Speaker 5 (22:45):
Let him bump down the board and take it.

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Speaker 3 (27:42):
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Speaker 2 (27:43):
In the draft mid season for um Bay. We're right there,
We're two weeks out, all right. There's been a lot
of buzz around maryon Hampton. Yeah ah yeah, Michael wants
to know what's gaining Steme in the mainstream. For the
pick to be at number twelve. How likely is that
outcome for the Dallas Cowboys that Hampton, the running back
from North Carolina, will be the pick at twelve.

Speaker 3 (28:04):
I don't think so. Just kind of talking to some
folks in the organization, I think that's male Kuiper's you
have to worry about mel I mean, if you really
you know, he did hit the Tyler Smith, you know
pick when nobody really thought that Tyler Smith was going
to be here. But just kind of talking to various
people in the organization, they said, listen, you know, you
don't know until the commissioner walks up at the podium
and all that and the way the draft goes. But

(28:25):
I don't think he'll be the pick at twelve right now,
I know that's a lot of steam and a lot
of this, that and the other. And you know, I
could it happened. Sure, could they draft him at twelve
and then turn around at forty four and pick a
wide receiver. You know, there's all that possibly. But I
got the I kind of got the the inclination that
that wasn't going to be the case. Who the hell
is melt Kuiper junior. Don't say that he's a legend. No,

(28:47):
that's an old Uh yeah, what was the Bill told? Yeah?
Bill Tobin, Bill Tobin.

Speaker 2 (28:52):
Oh yeah, they'll talk to your sister, your your grandmother,
your neighbor. The one thing about Hampton, and we've kind
of in this in the past, as we've talked about
Tyler Smith as a second round possibility, we talked about
Mazzie Smith as the second round possibility and kind of
written them off as Hey, they're they're interested, the cowboys
like them. We know that that all of that can

(29:13):
be said about a Marion Hampton. However, those picks were
made in the late twenties, whereas this one's at twelve.
It's a little bit different to have that same kind
of mentality say hey, this is a guy that we
would love to get it at forty four, maybe even
trade up to go get him in the early parts
of the second round, But for him to be at
twelve is still a little bit rich for the position
value and for the player himself. I think Hampton's a

(29:34):
great player, but I think all of us would sit
here and say, man, at twelve, he felt like you
could have filled another neede.

Speaker 3 (29:40):
Okay, do this real quick for the sake. Give me
he's picked at twelve, Give me a receiver or your
defensive tackle at forty four or corner. Yeah, give me
a pair with him. That's where I would go with
like Trey.

Speaker 2 (29:52):
Harris or Jalen j oy Oils. Those would Minteio minor
did you say, mister a dtackle?

Speaker 3 (29:58):
You can say a wide receiver. Pick a wide receiver,
a tackle, or a corner corner at that And I'm
just interested to see what your pairing would be and
how good you feel about Hampton, and then who you
got at forty four forty four.

Speaker 2 (30:12):
I mean it would be like T. J. Sanders or
Walter Nolan. Those are my second round guys that I
think would be there. TYLERK. Williams, maybe that would be
probably a thought process, and it would feel pretty good.

Speaker 3 (30:23):
Then if you got Hampton and TYLERK Williamson, right, yeah,
the corners you have a party. Would you would feel
better if it was I wouldn't feel better if it
was Revel. Yeah, I'd like Ravel.

Speaker 6 (30:34):
What about Harston from Kentucky Nationale, Harriston Trey Amos from
Ole Miss totally down?

Speaker 3 (30:40):
Yeah? Yeah, giving So I mean if if they did
take the guy, if they took Hampton at twelve, you
feel like you could do pretty good there, right, I
mean me personally, I'd love to see a McMillan Revel. Yeah,
combo is.

Speaker 2 (30:52):
What I would love to talk about, throwing a party,
and if you did it, I feel like the Hampton
pick would be just to secure your back. Yeah, because
of everything we just talked about in the opening sets,
very good, very.

Speaker 3 (31:02):
Good running backs to the opposed to the third round
being good running backs? How about that? Yeah, that's kind
of how I look at it.

Speaker 2 (31:07):
So you are we in agreement here kind of across
the board that it is likely there's some I'm just
trying to like I'm trying to I'm just I was
told it, but you don't think it'll I don't think
it's going to happen.

Speaker 3 (31:17):
I don't think it's going to happen. But you got
to make sure whoever you air him with, is it
going to be a wide receiver or is it going
to be defensive tackle or corner? Am I right about that? Vashi?

Speaker 5 (31:28):
That is correct?

Speaker 4 (31:28):
But I tell you what, man, this team has proven
to me that boy, I just cannot walk in just
thinking anything's gonna be a certain kind of way because well,
because we'll walk out of day one and day two, like,
how the hell do we get these three guys? It
happens every single year, and to Kyle's point, we do
end up with these guys that may have two's on
their grades and draft them at the back of the ones.

Speaker 5 (31:49):
But this class is different. So how many ones do
you have?

Speaker 3 (31:53):
Right?

Speaker 5 (31:54):
Like, yeah, I have thirteen, but the Cowboys may have eight.

Speaker 3 (31:57):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (31:57):
So by the time we're on the clock, if McMillan
is gone like we say, and gent is gone, and
Golden is gone because some of the team like him
and he runs fast, they might be out of ones. Yeah,
and now we are, right, guys, who's our best twos?

Speaker 5 (32:09):
In Hampton? Might be one of one of their best two.

Speaker 3 (32:12):
I don't disagree with you on that. Like I said,
I think we'll have to wait. I know, just the
initial conversation that I had was that that no, but
you don't know until the things starts unfolding. You know
where they're, where their grades are. They could see these
guys completely different from where we're at right now. I
love to have No Hampton awesome player, awesome player if we're.

Speaker 2 (32:31):
I mean, if we're drafting him at forty four. I
think all of us would that whatever happened in the
first round tremendous value, but.

Speaker 3 (32:37):
We wouldn't take him over McMillan. Or how about even Golden?

Speaker 2 (32:42):
Probably not. I haven't stacked my board like that yet,
but probably not. Those two are much closer for me,
but Golden above it. But I'd probably still I'd still
I'd still probably take Golden.

Speaker 5 (32:53):
Table.

Speaker 4 (32:54):
Let me ask you all this, what is running back
round two wiped out look like? For y'all like Judkins
went forty three or something. You know what I'm saying,
and we're left with RJ. Harvey and Samson. You know
what I'm saying is, what is what is round two
running back wiped out?

Speaker 3 (33:09):
Looking? It's it's Genty's gone, Johnson's gone, Hampton's gone, and
Henderson's are gone. That's it for me.

Speaker 2 (33:15):
Any those are the four guys yep, first two.

Speaker 3 (33:17):
Right, And I know some people have Hampton over Johnson,
which is cool. I mean, but I'll go either way there,
but that would be wiped out for me. That's what
I was talking about. Very good as opposed to good. Yeah,
I think those are the top four guys clearly.

Speaker 4 (33:29):
Okay, So is Junkins a guy that you would take
at forty four in round two?

Speaker 6 (33:35):
See, I love him at seventy six, but we would
love him as seventy what I'm saying, but he just yeah.

Speaker 3 (33:39):
He asked you if you take him at forty four? Yes, yeah,
I would.

Speaker 4 (33:42):
Junkins and RJ. Harvey are kind of like that's what
you left with and I don't. I don't want to
be in that range where damn boy, all the running
backs that we might hear are gone.

Speaker 5 (33:52):
So now we got third round greater guys in round two?
Do they go?

Speaker 4 (33:57):
All right, we'll just wait to the third round. Yeah, Junkins, Harvey, Sampson,
they're all gone. And now we are round three, Like, well,
is that so what I'm saying is that to keep
from getting cute, you may have to reach. What if
they walk in this thing going? Man, look bro, but
enemies necessary. We need to improve running back right now,

(34:19):
Miles Sanders may not make the team. Sorry, we need
to get a running back and we don't want to reach.

Speaker 3 (34:24):
This is why they would take him at twelve.

Speaker 5 (34:25):
That's why you make a case for that.

Speaker 3 (34:28):
They feel like that their best guy, Genti's off the
board and they don't want to take a chance. They
don't want to wait, they don't want to see Sam
Sam Sampson and Jenkins and Harvey and Joan James from
or they don't want to see that. They want to
you know, they want to make sure that they get
their guy.

Speaker 5 (34:45):
Three mi dress in a row man, What did he hear?

Speaker 2 (34:47):
See that's who is talking?

Speaker 3 (34:49):
But see that's and then you know, you talk to
some folks and they say, I don't see that right now.
But then they say, but you never know. And and
that's where the never know scares the hell out of me.

Speaker 4 (34:58):
Right now, even Daniel Jeremiah, I'm gonna put Matthew Golden
right here, but but don't be surprised.

Speaker 6 (35:04):
Yeah no, yeah, well, hey, I mean, what if things
got a little crazy and Jenty goes to the Raiders
and then at ten the Bears took Henderson.

Speaker 5 (35:11):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (35:12):
Good, And now all of a sudden, there's two running
backs that we've got in the top ten and nobody
was expecting that. And now you're on the clock at
twelve and you're thinking, holy crap, if we don't pull
the trigger on a Marion Ampton ear, are we going
to get a running back that we feel great about?

Speaker 2 (35:22):
Man, we thought it was crazy when Gibbs and Bejeon
right in the top twelve, and then you would get
three guys going on the top of twelve at that point.

Speaker 3 (35:28):
Would you guys be comfortable picking Johnson from Iowa at
forty four?

Speaker 7 (35:33):
Yes?

Speaker 5 (35:33):
Sure, yes, sure?

Speaker 3 (35:34):
Then that then we're okay, we'll be fine. I think
so too, because I think he's the one guy that
might actually be there.

Speaker 2 (35:40):
If he's there, yeah, I mean he's he has not
got a lot of buzz. It's so down.

Speaker 5 (35:44):
That's actually perfectly and I've got him as the number
two back.

Speaker 2 (35:47):
I think either way, we're gonna look at our second
round pick and feel pretty damn good about it.

Speaker 5 (35:50):
You have to, I think right right, No matter.

Speaker 3 (35:52):
There's a lot of names in forty four that I
think we're gonna be really happy.

Speaker 2 (35:55):
We're gonna be fine at forty four.

Speaker 4 (35:56):
Man cow you say that, boy? But the last two
the boy man Marshawn Neal, How do we get here?

Speaker 2 (36:02):
I liked Marshon Neal.

Speaker 3 (36:03):
I thought he was a like. I had him as
my thirty six top guy on my board.

Speaker 12 (36:09):
You bet it with me?

Speaker 2 (36:10):
I was feeling pretty good. Yeah, Twitter on the twenty
things fotch. The French entry says, I don't know what
that means. I'm sure that's probably like an innu indo
or something.

Speaker 10 (36:21):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (36:21):
Picking after the forty nine ers, which Cowboys target is
San Francisco most likely to pluck? Just before they go
on the clock. Kind of going along with our conversation,
anyone in that first second McMillan, McMillan's that guy take
a wide receiver. They absolutely can't McMillan, Membo.

Speaker 5 (36:37):
They can go uh either one of those.

Speaker 2 (36:39):
Yeah, they could take banks. Uh, they could go corner.

Speaker 6 (36:42):
They could go will Johnson if out of Michigan, they
could I mean the maybe John A Baron out of Texas.

Speaker 5 (36:47):
Uh.

Speaker 6 (36:47):
And then they could do that every single round. Maybe
maybe go a guy that you like, are gonna be
a pain in your ass.

Speaker 3 (36:52):
San Francisco because of their ability to say, you know,
we'll just take our guys and don't have a problem
with it, or they'll just say we'll trade out of there,
and people, let's listen. The Dallas Cowboys are probably the
most covered team when it comes to the NFL draft.
Teams look at the work that's done here. It's not
saying that in a bragging way. It's true. It's true.
And they look and they say, well, heck, somebody's telling

(37:14):
these guys something. And Dallas is going to look at
this and look at this, and oh look, their thirty
visits got posted. And look we're talking about their thirty visits.
It's terrifying to sit in that room and know all
that information is going out. But the Cowboys are okay
with that. You know, to me it would be But anyway,
I just kind of feel like teams know that they
could potentially jump ahead of you with San Francisco and others,

(37:36):
you know, because they'll have an idea what Dallas is
going to do.

Speaker 6 (37:39):
And the local beat is expressing they've got a lot
of love for Walter Nolan, the defensive tackle at all miss.

Speaker 3 (37:44):
Now for us, we might be fine with that. Go
ahead and take Walter Nolan.

Speaker 6 (37:48):
Maybe some people with the Cowboys will be thinking, ooh,
that's our favorite defensive tackle. That would really sting and
hurt us.

Speaker 2 (37:54):
Yeah, oh, you're saying in front like San Francisco, they
could go anywhere. That's what makes them true wild card.
I mean, I'm looking on my draft spreadsheet as I
put together my team needs and things like that. I
put down teams that sign top one hundred free agents, right,
and every team has at least one name in that
line except for one team, San Francisco team. And they

(38:17):
got rid of a ton of the lost so much
and they gave up all anything.

Speaker 3 (38:20):
They gave up all their top one hundred so they
can get under the cap or try and sign their quarterback.
That's what they've done. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (38:25):
And they could go detackle, they could go edge, they
could go offensive tackle, running back, corner, wide receiver, it
doesn't matter. They could go very similar to the Cowboys.
It's very very similar. Dallas only has one name on
that list. By the way, All right, moving from there,
anybody watched Jalen Smith corner from USC. I know we've
kind of briefly mentioned him a couple times. I have
notged him. No, I have not watched the He's a

(38:47):
Senior Bowl Cats. It will come back to it, DC
D zero seven four. These people that don't have names,
we gotta get names on these guys, all right.

Speaker 3 (38:56):
Nothing wrong with putting your name on your Twitter. The
egg people are my favor.

Speaker 2 (39:00):
Yeah that's best.

Speaker 3 (39:01):
Give me an underrated quarterback.

Speaker 2 (39:03):
This is from Mike. Give me an underrated quarterback that
you've watched recently. I know you guys have gotten on quarterback.
We're talking QB talking QB here. Anybody that sticks out
to you other than Will Howard rotris other than Will Howard.

Speaker 4 (39:14):
Then though, they all kind of they're all kind of underwhelming.
Tyler Schu may get drafted highly, Okay, but that don't
mean I would take him as high as I think
he'll get drafted.

Speaker 3 (39:23):
Oh look, we got we got a video. We could
scout this kid up from USC right now.

Speaker 2 (39:26):
Yeah, tell me what you're seeing here? That is Jaaln
Smith Beamer throwing him up.

Speaker 3 (39:29):
I see he's running around. Yeah, he looks like he's
getting in on a tackle there. But yeah, you know what,
I'll tell you what. Somebody is going to draft Dylan Gabriel. Yes, yeah,
we haven't had this.

Speaker 5 (39:41):
This guy is.

Speaker 3 (39:42):
This guy is so accurate throwing the football. He's short,
he's going to be under six foot tall. Watch the
Miami Dolphins here, you know, watch a team that has
a left handed short quarterback for their starter. This guy,
Dylan Gabriel will be a really nice fit for a
team like the doll Dolphins. You don't have to, you know,
have to flip your offense over if something happens. You know,

(40:04):
you could still play left handed. So watch Dylan Gabriel
potentially ended up with the Miami Dolphins. But I think
he's People are not talking about him near enough. They're
talking about his lack of height. Ye yeah, but you
watch him throwing the football right here. It's just such
the quick release, smooth, smooth. He could move around the pocket,
if he could run out of trouble.

Speaker 2 (40:23):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (40:24):
But yeah, this is this plays right into what you
know it Mike McDaniel and those guys down there in
Miami play with. But we're not talking about him nearly enough.
There's there's a reason why we're talking about Ferguson to
tie end there, James are running back and all these
other guys. Because Dylan Gabriel played pretty damn well for Oregon,
who was number one in the country.

Speaker 2 (40:44):
For most of the year, I'm glad you brought him
up because measurables, they're not necessarily there. No, that's not
his strong suit. But I when I watched him, I
thought he was one of the more technically sound quarterbacks
in the draft. And he's done it in different systems,
which I thought was really interesting. You see Oklahoma, Oregon,
that's pro style air raid spread between the three of them. Yeah,

(41:05):
and he's done it differently across the board. So when
you look at what he's done and the IQ that
he had and the success that he consistently had, whether
it was in the American Conference with the UCF, yes
they were still in the American Oklahoma in.

Speaker 3 (41:16):
The Big twelve, yes they were still in the Big twelve.

Speaker 2 (41:18):
And then Oregon whenever they jumped to the Big Ten.
He had success everywhere and ended up being one of
the more decorated quarterbacks in NFL history. A lot of
times when you see those records, guys like Case Keenum
come to mind. Right, he spent it all at Houston.
He was there the entire time, in the same system
all the way through. Dylan Gabriel became a leaderboard mainstay
through three different programs. I think that holds weight for

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some people.

Speaker 3 (41:41):
The last quarterback that came out of Oregon we all
didn't like, and he ended up being a really good
player for the Broncos. He sure did, He sure did.

Speaker 6 (41:47):
The other quarterback I throw out would be Curtis Rourke
the Indiana Cabana, because he's got the size and I
do like his anticipation.

Speaker 3 (41:55):
He'll stand in there, he'll take a hit. Now, he's
a true pocket passer. This guy.

Speaker 6 (41:58):
If he's got to go off platform work outside of structure,
good luck. Okay, But when it comes like the back
shoulder throw, he'll make some placement throws or I'm like, man,
that dude can zing it and he'll push the ball
down the field.

Speaker 3 (42:08):
And I was pretty impressed.

Speaker 6 (42:09):
I mean, you go to a program in Indiana, now
the head coach google me right, that dude does win
everywhere he goes. But what they did in a new need,
a Hoosier team that is not used to winning a
ton of football games really since Michael Pennix Junior left
Curtis Rourke that that could be a guy take a
flyer on on day three.

Speaker 2 (42:24):
He has some injury background. I think he tore his
ac times, so he's got some injury there. But I
think you're right whenever it comes to the arm talent,
Ashley wants to know best edge possibilities on day three.
So going into day three, what are some of those
edge guys. I know we talked about the early day,
Day one, day two guys, but what about day three?

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Is there any well you.

Speaker 3 (42:47):
Don't have a Day three pick, you know, I mean,
I mean the fourth round, the fourth round. So so
what you're thinking about is, you know you're probably going
to unless you get one. But I see what they're
asking there. But if round, who.

Speaker 2 (43:00):
Are some names?

Speaker 4 (43:01):
I'll tell you what man once you vis Land like,
they're all the same kind of guy. So Joey Ivy, Tyler, Baron, Tyler,
Baddie from b Yut.

Speaker 3 (43:10):
We watched him, Johnny Walker Junior missoo, I'll join.

Speaker 4 (43:15):
M Open from Notre Dame. I mean he's kind of
just kind of picked a guy that's down there. But
that goes back to what we were saying earlier. If
I want to edge, I kind of want to get
him forth round up. But these guys, they're going to
be like run stopping dudes, three techs sometimes guys.

Speaker 5 (43:29):
But but there's some silid dudes.

Speaker 6 (43:30):
Play and watch out for our Boise State edge a
mad hassanin the Egyptian Cowboy.

Speaker 5 (43:36):
That's his name.

Speaker 3 (43:37):
That'll be his name. Yeah, that'll be his name. That
will be his name, the Egyptian Cowboy.

Speaker 6 (43:40):
He'll be the first player drafted Boise State guy and
he hasn't played a lot of football. It doesn't look
like it that that dude's got some ross talent and
some instincts. He was also Shrine Bowl guy. We got
to see the size is there for him. He could
end up making a team very very happy. And then
Elijah Roberts from SMU Baby, some teams want to kick
him inside and play defensive tackle.

Speaker 3 (44:00):
I like Elijah Roberts. He might go a little higher.
I I think he will too. I mean, I was
I was kind of thinking, do you have a Q Robinson?
Remind me of Q Robbins. You really liked qu Robinson
out of Alabama. Alabama right.

Speaker 4 (44:14):
Hey, man, pass rusher, standing linebacker type dude, doesn't really
have all the technique down, but he's bend, is all
get out, burst his hell, and that's kind of what
his job is.

Speaker 5 (44:22):
He ain't really got it all together right now.

Speaker 2 (44:24):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (44:25):
Sometimes they'll line him up at linebacker because that's just
what he was. But yeah, for the most part, he's
a pass rushing edge dude, and he wasn't on the
field too much.

Speaker 3 (44:31):
Yeah, I kind of that you have him.

Speaker 5 (44:33):
I got him into fives.

Speaker 3 (44:34):
That's where I forgot him. Yeah, he's kind of one
of those guys when you look at him, I mean
he he's played behind some really good players in his career,
Dallas Turner, Will Anderson, Chris Braswell and those guys.

Speaker 2 (44:44):
I mean, he was recruited as a safety, believe.

Speaker 12 (44:46):
It or not.

Speaker 3 (44:46):
Six four, two forty three. But man, he's he's one
of those guys that's got some bend. He's got some
flexibility for his his height as well. Uh, you know,
metrics will tell you too. And the reason why I
was curious watch and I were doing this guy his
win rate at twenty four percent pass rush reps was
one of the most was one of the better ones
in the country. So Q Robinson Alabama, maybe a Day

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three game, maybe a fourth round guy when this is
all said and done.

Speaker 2 (45:12):
Did you have him in the fourth? I had him
in the fourth. Yeah, see, I've got him in the
early parts of the fifth. But then I think there's
a drop off from there because you mentioned some of
those guys birch Ivy, Baron Cannard. I'm just all over
the list here from Robinson, He's kind of my last
fifth round grade there, and then it drops to guys
like like Jones and ingramd Dawkins and digs from there.

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For me, I think Ingram Dawkins could possibly get drafted
earlier because of the speed and the way that he
run or ran at the combine. But there are a
couple of different things along the way. From EDG Rusher,
I just think there's a drop off separation. I agree
there's got to be something about Johnny Walker Junior that
I don't know.

Speaker 7 (45:49):
Well.

Speaker 5 (45:49):
We were talked about.

Speaker 2 (45:50):
We talked about him on Tuesday a little bit because
I brought him up radar.

Speaker 12 (45:53):
That guy.

Speaker 3 (45:54):
I think his tape is fun, it's a system fit.

Speaker 2 (45:57):
He's got better every year.

Speaker 6 (45:59):
He's got natural bend. I love the first step quickness
that he's got. That's a player to me that I
think is going to translate and be really good in
the NFL. Yeah, I agree with you on that one.

Speaker 2 (46:08):
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Speaker 3 (46:12):
That worked out?

Speaker 2 (46:13):
Good guys, all right?

Speaker 5 (46:15):
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Speaker 2 (46:17):
When we come back, since we're two weeks out, I
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Speaker 2 (49:32):
Uh but yeah, we're two weeks out from the draft.
If you had to guess today, gentlemen, who would the
twelfth pick be? Who do you think it would be?
Based on your conversations you're studying two weeks out. I mean,
I'll ask you again. I'm I'm certain before we get there,
probably when we get to pick ten, and I'm like,
who's still on your board?

Speaker 3 (49:52):
Who's your pick? But right now, as we said, two
weeks out, who do you think twelve is going.

Speaker 5 (49:56):
To be coming?

Speaker 4 (49:57):
Senseys Tedoro McMillan even better comments. Sense says he shouldn't
be there because he's so damn good. Golden would be
a guy that makes I'm sorry if I'm taking all
the answers, No, no, you're doing you know. Golden is
a guy that that that we should possibly take. But
I think we should be ready for our corner from
Michigan we should just be.

Speaker 2 (50:16):
Royal Johnson, Will Johnson. So who out of those if
you're like one guy, one name, who is it?

Speaker 5 (50:21):
Mc millan.

Speaker 6 (50:22):
Yeah, I think Ted McMillan. If I had to guess
right now, like if I had to play, you know,
somebody says, hey, it's do or die. Yeah, Teed McMillan
would be the guy. And I do think he's got
a good shot at getting there. I just don't think
that if you're looking at the teams ahead, I don't know.
I mean, maybe we'd have mentioned San Francisco. Carolina is interesting.
I don't know what they're gonna do necessarily at number eight,

(50:43):
but I don't think they'd go wide receiver there. So
I do think Ted's got a shot to make it
to twelve. I'd link Ted rowand McMillan.

Speaker 2 (50:51):
I think that scenario that we brought up earlier with
Jacksonville taking genty at five, I think that would hinder
mcmill it.

Speaker 6 (50:58):
Would I do thinks is pretty locked into Mason Graham,
you think so, I do. I think they're gonna take
Mason Draam. Their gyms talked a lot about defensive line. Now, hey,
maybe if Graham ends up going to New England or something.
Travis Hunter goes to to Cleveland and Admiral Carter ends
up going three to the Giants. Maybe that changes some things.
Things could go in a different order here. But I

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guess is today I'm sticking with Ted.

Speaker 4 (51:22):
Fellas, Like, is there a small possibility that Dallas not us,
but Dallas likes Golden More.

Speaker 3 (51:28):
I was gonna pick gold is who I was. There's
a possibility that's who I was gonna pick. I think
they're gonna take.

Speaker 2 (51:33):
Golden over McMillan.

Speaker 3 (51:35):
I think, I just I think, you know, I think
Voch lated it out for you. I think it's gonna
come down to either the corners of the wide receivers here.
And but my gut feeling is they're gonna like the
explosiveness of Golden is what they're gonna like. And and
it's not that they're gonna they're gonna see a guy
that that, as the season were on in big games

(51:57):
for Texas, played huge and and you know, he looks
like to me that he's just got so much to
his game. You can move him a lot of different spots,
but that speed is legit. He plays that fast when
you watch him on the outside and they play off
coverage on him and he's closing cushion. You see panic

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in these dbs, and then he could just he could
pivot and drive. Look at he just running by people
right there, and like I said, it looked like Louisiana
Monroe there. But you know, to me, it's just that
speed is legit and I think they really do like
all these receivers, but this guy has that ability to
drive you off the football and come back, and he

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can make contested catches. He could separate. You know, that's
one of the things that we haven't seen really with
McMillan is but we always say McMillan's an eighty twenty catcher,
eighty percent to go to he's going to get him.
But this guy right here has got a different level
of play speed and I think that's what's going to
maybe booy him a McMillan. Let me ask you this question,

(53:03):
and that's just me just playing playing a detective man here.

Speaker 2 (53:08):
Okay, the if you had to look at the Cowboys
current wide receiver room, Yeah, what is the element of
wide receivers? So like fundamental elements right that they're missing
the most.

Speaker 3 (53:18):
They will tell me they will. Yeah, they separation speed, Yeah.

Speaker 4 (53:22):
Bigger fast dudes, Like they're fast. Guy is like Turbert
right now. But you know, uh Mingo, h Brook, this
is floorinoid. They're kind of jump over you guys. They're
physical guys.

Speaker 3 (53:33):
And this is why Golden would probably it's a little
different than them. H I think that they like Mingo
a lot more than we do. Oh they do. And
that's what I'm saying. I think they're looking at Mingo
if they had to have a legitimate X. That's a
big body player. That's a big body guy. And they're
probably thinking with Dak him throwing him the ball. Look
at that right there, that double move on Georgia right

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there and then coming back to the ball.

Speaker 4 (53:56):
He does a great jobs when you throwing anything looking
goofy out there and Golden just catches it all.

Speaker 3 (54:02):
So Starks was over there like, what the hell, what
the hell, what the hell? You know one of those things.
But uh no, I I kind of feel like though
to me that they're going to see, they're gonna they're
gonna want to see what they have with with Mingo.
But this guy gives them, this guy gives them a
different element when it comes to separation speed. That's why
I'm just I don't know, it's not knowing anything. It's

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just I'm kind of looking at who they currently have.

Speaker 2 (54:25):
How would he compare to McMillan.

Speaker 6 (54:28):
Just to ask the question, this guy in the red zone,
mc Millan's right there. I just think McMillan's better other
than just the forty yard dash. Yeah, I'm taking McMillan
over anything Golden's given me.

Speaker 4 (54:39):
Would you just say about I say Mingo. Mingo probably
blocks better. Yeah, McMillan does everything else better, better than
what about Golden and McMillan. As far as Golden and McMillan,
Golden definitely runs routes better. Like he changes tempos, he
he gains ground quicker than McMillan. McMillan gets faster down

(55:01):
the field, speed, he builds up speed. One strider T
Max is the better red zone guy because I literally
feel like you could throw it anywhere and he'll come
down with it. It depends on how he gets off
the line of scrimmage. I think Golden has more ways
to get off the line of scrimmage.

Speaker 2 (55:16):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (55:17):
If you talk about which one of these guys are
different than the guys we have in the room right now.
Golden is much different than anybody that we have in
his room right now. If you just think about fast
guys in the room right now, it's Turping and Turps
a little bitty so Turp is gonna have his own
package or whatever. But just as a wire receiver too,
kind of guy Golden. Golden's running past, He's beating everybody

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in the full race, He's been lamb in the foot
race and everything. So there's pros and cons to both.
I would love to ask Dak, you know, just just
away from everybody, and which one of these guys would
you rather throw to? Because think about this.

Speaker 3 (55:51):
To contested receivers all his career. Basically I need with
the exception of cooperate.

Speaker 5 (55:58):
That's what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (55:58):
So when when dead was here and he was jumping
over everybody that wasn't the past or properly used it.
When Dak turns in, you know, to this passer, now
Gallup turns into the jump over you got. But Gallup
ain't the same kind of jump over you got the
des or Chad Tamaki is right, So now you going,

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all right? I got Dak that can place the football
now let's get him like a super jump ball guy.
I think he would love to have that. Or Dak
is the passing dude, the I'm on time, I'm accurate guy.
Golden is the on time accurate guy. I think it's
a real conversation. They haven over there and yeah, both
of them have been in the building.

Speaker 2 (56:35):
Yeah they have both been here. They're both reported thirty visits.
I mean, the thing about what is Brian Schottenheimer thinking
from an offensive standpoint? What do you want more? Do
you want the X? Do you want the big receiver?
Do you want the crossers over the middle? Because one
way or the other, it's going to be different. And
you've got I mean, you've got Nick Millan mc millan.
I mean, I think so he excels the inbreaking routes

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over the middle of the field. And that's kind of
what they wanted Cooks to do.

Speaker 6 (57:00):
Is their wide receiver too, And he's a smaller bodied
receiver that does not fit what he wanted.

Speaker 2 (57:04):
Now, granted still had success in the red zone here
he did, And I think Ted.

Speaker 3 (57:08):
Is a guy that can do all of that for you.

Speaker 6 (57:10):
I just think he's a better wide receiver personally, and
I get it like the four two nine speed that
the Golden Ring. That's amazing, and he is a good player.
But I think we're acting like Ted McMillan that' no no, no,
I pretending like he can't run.

Speaker 3 (57:24):
W I went no no, I went opposite of what
you guys think, because I was thinking what they were
trying to think. Yeah, I agree with me McMillan. I've
actually got Hunters my number one receiver. Okay, I mean
I'm a I'm a hunter. I'm a wide receiver hunter guy. Yeah,
so that would be Million's second, actually a burden after him.
I was trying to think of what they were looking at,
and they're probably could be right. They're looking They're probably

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looking at we do not have a separator, and I
think that they really want to see if this mingo
thing is gonna work, and they probably feel like, Okay,
do we need another big bodied receiver. Absolutely, you'd love
to have Ted McMillan. I'm also thinking that, like, okay,
do we have speed other than in Vach put it
very well? Other than Turpin, you really don't have anybody
that can really really run it can threaten defenses the

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way that Golden can so I could see them. I
know all of us would pick McMillan absolutely. I could
also see them saying this guy fits, gives us something
that we don't currently.

Speaker 2 (58:21):
Have well, and I think a decision that they're trying
to sift through themselves, because when you look at even
in past drafts, like going back to twenty twenty, you
look at guys that overlap as both formal visits at
the Combine and thirty visits here, it's rare to see that.
A lot of times it's either or you're either going
to meet in the formal at the Combine or you're
gonna come here. Both McMillan and Golden were formals at

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the Combines and thirty visits. So what that tells me
is that if we're getting there the twelve, those are
two names that we really do have to look at specifically,
because if there's that double overlap, then there's two guys
they're trying to decide between, and they're trying to find
little things here and there that they feel like they
may fit better. You just hope this isn't thee you
select Rugs or Riager. Yeah, you know, when there's others

(59:03):
on the board, you know what I'm saying. If you
Philadelphia made a choice to take.

Speaker 3 (59:08):
Rigor when Lamb and others were on the board, and
they paid for that, you know, well they paid for
it in a way. They had to go and trade
for another wide receiver and stuff.

Speaker 7 (59:17):
You know.

Speaker 3 (59:18):
But but you do not want to if you're the Cowboys,
you don't want to be in that draft where you
draft the Riga the wrong right.

Speaker 6 (59:24):
Before we wrap, though, I do think it's interesting they've
met with Memboo and then Calvin Banks junior. Yeah, Like
I wonder if if offensive line could be sleeper there
for them, yeah at twelve.

Speaker 3 (59:34):
Yeah, and I think I think more likely Banks would
be in that conversation than Memboo myself.

Speaker 2 (59:39):
And remember those guys were not formal visits at the Combine,
So think about going back to that overlapping. You got
to look at those guys, Golden McMillan on those lists.
All right, That does it for us here on the
Draft Show. We're getting close. We are next time, we're
going to be right underneath the ten day mark. At
that point, we're going to be nine days away when
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