March 25, 2025 • 62 mins
How does the appearance of Cowboys coaches at NFL Draft pro days show their hand when picking at pick number 12? And what prospects would you want to talk to and gather more information? Kyle Youmans, Bryan Broaddus, Voch Lombardi, Zach Wolchuk and Nick Harris dive into the trail of breadcrumbs.
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
Is the Dallascowboys dot Com Draft Show, your war room
for insder news and draft analysis from deep within the
confines of Cowboys Headquarters at the Star Infrasco. And now
your host, Kyle Yeomans.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
Today is Tuesday, March twenty fifth, twenty twenty five, and
we are officially twenty four days away from the NFL
Draft in Green Bay, Wisconsin. Welcome into the Draft Show, everybody,
as We've got Zach Woltschuck, We've got Brian Bradis, We've
got Vox Lombardi and Nick Harris on the show with
Chris Beam in the back of Kyle Yeomans, presented by
(00:47):
Miller Lte, the only beer of the Dallas Cowboys. It
is Miller time and we are now within a month
away from the NFL Draft and things are starting to
ramp up very quickly here Nick Harris, We're gonna start
seeing some third thirty visit names start to handle. Pro
days are currently in action, a lot of big ones
coming up this weekend too.
Speaker 3 (01:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (01:06):
I don't mean to be a hater, but I think
it's thirty days. Thirty days until the draft.
Speaker 5 (01:09):
What did I say?
Speaker 6 (01:10):
Twenty four?
Speaker 4 (01:10):
It's okay, Why did I say twenty five? We can
use twenty four next more than No, it's.
Speaker 5 (01:14):
Definitely thirty days, just a week ahead. What did I say? Yeah, Yeah,
I don't know. Don't don't worry. That's the second time
I've misspoke today.
Speaker 6 (01:20):
On first of the week.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
First of the week, I'm talking with the boys, I said,
Dave Hinney or Dave hitting And.
Speaker 5 (01:24):
That's aeth wait to Dent Ryan Raiders. Yeah, no, he
went to Memphis. All right, So there we go.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
Yeah, thirty days. My bad, but yeah, thirty days. We're
right under a month left, and we've got.
Speaker 5 (01:35):
A lot of stuff still to be sifted through here,
Brian is this is.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
This the busiest time for the scouting department trying to
put all these boards together.
Speaker 7 (01:44):
Now, it's you know, there's some teams that out there
doing workouts right now. I mean, I know, yesterday doing
a radio show, watching watching a ward work underneath center.
You know, it seems like to me that's the big
thing is some of these quarterbacks that are playing in
today's game are all playing in the show. So we
got these NFL scouts and coaches want to see them
play take reps from underneath center. So yeah, we're we're
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in the process right now of kind of getting all
those things done, and when the first of April comes around,
then we'll all kind of reconvene and then that's when
you'll start putting these boards together. So it's a it's
a good time. They just make sure you get all
the final numbers and make sure nobody fell through the cracks.
And there's some guys that are probably you know, help
themselves with some pro days. Maybe they're maybe a priority
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free agent that all of a sudden now they're a
sixth round guy. So a lot of work is still
to be done.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
Yeah, finding these diamonds in the rough votch, trying to
get some guys on the board that you maybe didn't
have initially, and try and build relationships too.
Speaker 5 (02:43):
That's a big part of this moment.
Speaker 8 (02:45):
Yeah, yeah, man, you know, I'm just watching film, you
know what I mean, I'm just I'm just watching film.
And then you know, Nick Harris is gonna tweet, Oh,
the Cowboys thought such and such of this doing. I'm
gonna go, oh, I never heard that. Let me go
watch the film on that dude real fast, last minute,
so I could be so I could be ready to go.
But yeah, man, the visits, the workouts, they have nothing
to do with me. In particularly, I show up and
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I watch film. My job on this show is to
kind of, you know, get an idea of the player,
and you know, when I learn more about the coaches
and what they want to do, then I could take
those players that we watched and kind of apply it there.
But that's that's not my lane at all. I don't
think I learned very much unless somebody tweets somebody and
then I go, cool, Now we don't.
Speaker 5 (03:23):
Now you get on the film.
Speaker 7 (03:25):
I would pay attention to one thing, please, I'd pay
attention with position coaches go to schools and work guys out. Yeah, sure,
head coaches, not so much. Position coaches. If your position,
if Nick and others are tweeting about that, certain position
coaches are at certain big schools watching workouts. For example,
we got pro days coming up at Ohio State, Texas, A,
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and M. If your if your coaches are out watching
these pro days, your position coaches keep an eye on that.
That's that's a that's a pretty good indicator right there.
What they're trying to think about with these guys, is.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
There anything kind of standing out from the bread crumbs
that we've seen so far, Nick on where those guys
have been.
Speaker 4 (04:02):
Yeah, certainly we can look at last week and throughout
the last couple of weeks. Matti ebra Fluss has been
super active. He went to three different SEC pro days.
I know we talked about it on this show a
little bit, but he went to Tennessee, Georgia, and South
Carolina and then Oregon.
Speaker 6 (04:16):
Last week was a notable one.
Speaker 4 (04:18):
They had a wide receivers coach Junior Adams, offensive line
coach Connor Riley, and defensive line coach Aaron Whitecotton kind
of reading the tea leaves on that Junior Adams I
think was just going to support his former Oregon guys.
Obviously he came from that Oregon staff. Then you look
at the offensive line, I mean you could be looking
at Josh Connery, you could be looking at Johnny Cornelius
maybe later in the draft. Defensive line Jordan Birch, I
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know we've talked about him, Derek Harmon, maybe is he
more in play?
Speaker 6 (04:43):
Jamari Caldwell, So I found that interesting.
Speaker 4 (04:46):
And then David Overstreet, the secondary coach, was at Florida
State late last week. So as ari A Thomas Central Cyprus.
So those are a couple of guys that I think
could potentially work out in favor for the Cowboys, maybe
on day two or later.
Speaker 6 (05:01):
So this week is going to be the busy week.
Speaker 4 (05:03):
Like Brian mentioned, Ohio State, Texas, A and M you
also have Texas, you have Old Miss, you have some
other big ones as well. I'm forgetting off the top
of my head, but there's going to be a lot
of coaches out on the road this week. Heard Brian
Schottenheimer is going to be one of those coaches out
on the road this week, so keep keep an eye
on that as well.
Speaker 5 (05:20):
There's some big ones on the way.
Speaker 7 (05:21):
And the big the thing about with the head coach
being out there too and the fact that he can
shake hands see these kids maybe if he didn't seem
at the combine or things like that, you know, you
bring them in for the visits potentially if you really
really like the kid. But what it also does is
we've seen this in the past. We've seen coaches, especially
the head coach, stand up in the room when the
when they're on the clock, and we've seen Mike McCarthy,
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we've seen Jason Garrett We've seen guys stand up in
that room and they ask for their opinion. And the
more that Brian Schottenheimer knows about these players, and though
he's able to get a feel for about him, maybe
he's the guy that's in there, like, you know, breaking
a tie. You know, if they if you know, they
have a stack. But if it comes down to maybe
a way they want to go into position. Maybe they
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have an offensive tackle and they're thinking about defensive tackle,
but it's close, they can go either way. This is
where your head coach can come in and say, let's
take the offensive tackle here. You know, I have a
feeling I saw the kid, met the kid like the kid.
You know where that's where the coaches position coaches they're
going to kind of they're going to give their two cents.
Speaker 5 (06:24):
That head coach.
Speaker 7 (06:24):
We've seen it before, Mike McCarthy, Jason Garrett, those guys
will break some ties when it comes to players that
might be pretty similar on their boards.
Speaker 4 (06:32):
Yeah, sorry to interject. These are some of the pro
days that are this week. I pull up a list
in front of me, Texas today. That's where our guy
Tommy Yarsh is heading down to Austin right now, to
see that one Boise State tomorrow, LSU tomorrow, Ohio State tomorrow.
You also have Florida on Thursday, Texas A and M
Notre Dame on Thursday, oll Miss on Friday, Penn State
on Friday. So there's gonna be a lot going on
this week and the next week is going to be
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more so the individual pro days for the guys who
were trying to catch up medically. So you're looking at
a Jalen Walker, Michael Williams, Will Johnson, Shador Sanders is
gonna throw next week as well, so the couple couple
more nickuls.
Speaker 7 (07:05):
Here being an update on what Will Johnson's going to do,
because we were hearing there's going to be April fourteenth. Yes,
it was, well you heard more updates on.
Speaker 4 (07:12):
That as of as of what I have in front
of me, still scheduled for April fourteenth. The question now
is if he's going to run or not. Some people
are saying he's going to some people are saying he's not, so.
Speaker 5 (07:21):
He doesn't run.
Speaker 4 (07:21):
I The thing is for me for Will Johnson, what's
the point of having PROE if you're not running? Yeah, seriously,
because that's the only question that that's that's left for
Will Johnson. We you know, you have the film to
back everything else up. Everyone wants to see post injury.
So you know, that's why I show up to Will Johnson.
If if you're not running.
Speaker 9 (07:40):
Well, he's had something, does it?
Speaker 5 (07:41):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (07:42):
Is there something that he could fail to lose or
stand to lose if he does go out there and
run and he doesn't run?
Speaker 6 (07:47):
Well, what I'm saying is why you even have a
pro day?
Speaker 5 (07:49):
Yeah, that's that's what I'm just don't do it?
Speaker 4 (07:51):
Yeah, because then you're saying, hey, I'm healthy, but I'm slow,
you know. So it's like, it's what are we trying
to do?
Speaker 10 (07:56):
Well?
Speaker 2 (07:56):
What if you cancel it at this point you already
had it at April fourteenth, and you say, yeah, you
know what, I'm not gonna I'm not gonna run.
Speaker 5 (08:02):
Does that show confidence in the fact that you are
okay and you are healthy or is it hide the
fact that you're good?
Speaker 2 (08:08):
Either way, I think I feel like you're in a
tough spot one way or the other.
Speaker 4 (08:11):
I mean, we we've talked about Will Johnson this show.
I think Brian, I just I just asked.
Speaker 7 (08:15):
Question because you're on the pro days. I'm not trying
to hammer Will Johnson here. I'm just I'm just saying
if there's anything in the community, I mean, you have
got a great handle on when these pro days are
going off and who's working out and stuff. I was
just asking because, like I say, I wanted to make
sure that if he did work, you know, I had
the time. If he doesn't work, I want to put
him where I'm gonna put him. Yeah, if he if
I don't get a forty time on him, I'm not
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gonna move the kid. I'm not I'm gonna leave him
as my fifth best cornerback on that draft board, you know,
until he shows me that he is able. I wanted
to see again a time because I want to be
able to compare him to the other cornerbacks that are
on that board.
Speaker 5 (08:49):
That's all I'm asking.
Speaker 9 (08:50):
What if he does run, Will, like, how how.
Speaker 7 (08:52):
Much you know what I now I consider? I can
consider with him and Morse, with Morrison from Notre Dame,
who's injured, could consider Okay, where where do I have Okay,
Morrison's hurt is Morson too hurt to where he needs
to be down in the round or is he or
does he need to stay where he is. If if
in fact, this kid Johnson runs runs a time that
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I feel like is good, then now now I have
consideration for him. Right now I have I have an
unknown for him because I'm trying to compare him to
the other guys and I can't compare his speed. I
could compare what I see on tape. I can't compare.
And people will tell me, well, Brian, you got GPS numbers.
No I don't.
Speaker 5 (09:32):
I'm a GPS numbers. I'm not a team. I'm not
a team.
Speaker 10 (09:35):
You know.
Speaker 7 (09:36):
I don't know what Well one time this guy ran
twenty three miles an hour on an interception turn.
Speaker 5 (09:41):
I'm not a team that. I'd love to be able
to get off to top speed. I'd love to be.
Speaker 7 (09:46):
Able to sit there and say, yeah, you know what
he did, he ran twenty three miles an hour against
Purdue in a game.
Speaker 5 (09:51):
I'd love to be able to say that, you know,
but I don't have that.
Speaker 7 (09:54):
What I do have is, though, if I can call
one of my guys and get a time that that
I can do, I could get. I can verify times
I've done it. I've done it all all spring long
so far, with guys that you know. Okay, good, that's
what this guy, that's what McMillan really runs. Okay, great,
what'd you have that?
Speaker 5 (10:10):
Oh? Four or five? Oh what'd you have that? Four?
Five three? Okay? I know he's somewhere probably around a
four five one four five two.
Speaker 6 (10:18):
So I know that you do that with yesterday.
Speaker 2 (10:21):
Yeah again that was a negative.
Speaker 5 (10:28):
But does he does he play for eight three?
Speaker 11 (10:31):
I'm good on that you can have Does he played
for eight three?
Speaker 5 (10:35):
I mean, seriously, you watch him play. The guy is quick.
Speaker 7 (10:38):
I mean you watch, you watch these games, you watch Louisville,
you watch Cal you watch I mean the.
Speaker 5 (10:43):
Guys making plays. Yeah, he's four eight three. I guess
Clickerland fast quicker than four A three and small? Yeah,
not a great combo. Uh, this is gonna be a
star in this league. He'll end up being a damn
good player. Zach.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
When you look at these pro days and the ones
that are coming up, whether they've already passed or wherever
they end up, where would you go if you were
a scout, what would be the best spot for you
to try and figure out the most about this draft class?
Speaker 5 (11:08):
For the first boys, I got to go see these
Texas A and M D Line.
Speaker 9 (11:11):
Tommy Yar, I'm going man because.
Speaker 11 (11:12):
Man im out with Shamar Stewart and we've talked about
it like this dude could be a fifteen SAT guy.
He could end up being in and out of the
league in a flash, right. The defensive tackles they got
there with Turner and then Scorting, you know, I want
to get up close and personal. I want to see
these guys, how they move, what makes them tick a
little bit. I mean, the one thing that we don't
really have is kind of the character stuff on these guys,
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the compete level. You know, I've heard the Big twelve
Pro Days, some players came out didn't want to do
a couple of workouts. Yeah, and there are some things
that where we're at, we're watching the players and that's
all we're really going to assess. But there are some
other things when it comes to off the field character, competitiveness,
when you get into some of these workouts that stand
out to you in a certain way. We got to
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see some of that at the Shrine Ball practice. Like
Kobe Bryant stout in a positive Supposedly he didn't stand
out in a positive at the Pro days here for
Big twelve, so you know some of these things. I
do think you can get an assessment with text A
and M man that stands out in a big way
for me. And then I am interested in Penn State
as well because Kevin Winston Junior is a safety to
me injured.
Speaker 5 (12:17):
I'd like to go see him up close. How's he
doing health wise?
Speaker 11 (12:19):
Because the tape for him is really really good, Like
this safety class in the second round, you can get
some different difference makers.
Speaker 5 (12:26):
And he's a guy. Man.
Speaker 11 (12:28):
I know it's one year of really really good production
with him, but if he's healthy, that's a dude that
I could really fall in love with right there.
Speaker 5 (12:35):
And I'm telling you what.
Speaker 7 (12:35):
I got my ass kicked in the last Sunday, and
because I was in Austin, my LSU baseball.
Speaker 5 (12:40):
Team went down there and got their ass kicked.
Speaker 7 (12:43):
Sir, I'm going back to Austin because I'm gonna you
got Golden Banks, ye Blue?
Speaker 5 (12:50):
Who else we got?
Speaker 7 (12:53):
Yeah, we got soul, we got Barrett Macouba.
Speaker 9 (12:58):
He had a son of dude, Cuba safety woman.
Speaker 7 (12:59):
Yeah, watch watch me go to Austin and trying trying
to figure this thing out that that right that I
just named off a bunch of second round dudes on
my board, So I'm going to go down there and
check that out. I mean, I have Blue in the
third and so well is that you said?
Speaker 5 (13:13):
So well?
Speaker 7 (13:13):
The edge cREL Crell, I have him and the third.
But man, I've got these these uh these, I got
second and third round guys that need to kind of
figure out there. That'd be a great pro day for me.
Speaker 5 (13:26):
Didn't l s you take game one of that? I
did Texas win the second two? Yeah? Wow?
Speaker 9 (13:30):
Good for the longhornset like soccer or something.
Speaker 2 (13:35):
Where would you head you going back to Texas to
you're riding with Tommy Yards shotgun all the way down?
Speaker 9 (13:39):
I would go, Man, but I'll just tell you over
the last couple.
Speaker 5 (13:42):
Of days, got Barren by the way, at that Texas
now said you got it?
Speaker 8 (13:45):
I got it, you know, just going back over my board,
going back over the film, looking in my round two guys. Man,
I want to talk to Will Howard. I want to
talk to Josh Simmons. I want to talk to down
to the Jackson. I want to talk to Quin, Shawn Jenkins.
Speaker 5 (13:58):
Trayvon Howard, Love coming up now, I'm.
Speaker 8 (14:01):
Watching Will Howard right, and I just can't stop watching trevia.
Speaker 3 (14:03):
You know.
Speaker 8 (14:04):
So I just got a lot of questions and I
don't even have questions. I just got regular film due questions, right.
I'm not going to get to the bottom or anything.
Just I just I just want to just watch y'all
run around and have fun. Ohio State got got a
ton of run around.
Speaker 12 (14:15):
And have fun.
Speaker 5 (14:16):
I just hope everyone has a good time.
Speaker 7 (14:19):
Catch If you guys can meet with one guy, if
you can meet with one one player this year, just
go up and you get to go any guy, any guy,
any school, any school, any guy who do you want
to go meet and talk to Deon Walker?
Speaker 5 (14:32):
You get an hour to talk to him.
Speaker 8 (14:34):
I've been I've been wanting to talk to Deon Walker
so bad and it's not going to be a respectful
conversation being him. Well, I mean because I feel like
what I have to talk to him about, I wouldn't
want to tiptoe around what we have to talk about,
you know, and we might end up ration. We might
why you loafing off? Yeh while you why did when
the ball snap? You just stood write up? You ain't
even step like what like, give me the answers to
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some of this stuff. And honestly, I think coach is
gonna ask him that. You know what I'm saying, Hey,
how come sometimes you look like a first round pick,
a bona fide top fifteen guy. But other times you
look like why we mad at Maza? You know, I'm
just so curious to him, and I've just I've said
it here on this show.
Speaker 9 (15:13):
If you draft this guy, it's probably gonna.
Speaker 8 (15:15):
Be the fourth round or something like that, because people
got questions, right if he's the positive side of all that, boy,
would a steal you got? And let's just say, well, Chuck,
we take Derek Harmon in the second round and we
look at our fifth round boy and go, hey, man,
Walker still that and now that's a comboy of dudes
you got for the next five years. You hit on
that dude. Now you could miss on that dude. You
could miss on that dude, And now you run into
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a David Irvis situation. He may not get drafted at
all because the questions, you know what I mean, We
may be sitting at this table, maybe not me, but
we sit at this table on day three and y'all
looking at me. In round seven, Vitch. Who's you got, hey,
Deane Walkers just right there. You know what I'm saying.
For whatever reason he may falls, some coaches may just
have him off his board. Brian's been teaching me that
sometimes these guys just not gonna have you on your
board for whatever reason. So if he's there and you hit,
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I get a raise. Yeah, I get a raise if
I hit on this guy. And if you miss on him,
I mean, I mean what I mean, what happens? I
just want to talk.
Speaker 2 (16:08):
He's probably one of the three most polarizing names that
the Draft Show has talked about.
Speaker 5 (16:14):
And and and Walter Nolan. Those are the three. Yeah,
I was kind of.
Speaker 7 (16:17):
Shocked those A and M kids have all they started
out being really polarizing on our boards. And yeah, but
Will Johnson's become polarizing.
Speaker 5 (16:25):
Yeah, he's I wanted to talk to.
Speaker 7 (16:26):
I want to talk to Luther Burton, a little wide receiver,
because all of a sudden, I mean, I have him
the first round grade on him, but the whispers are
getting louder and louder and louder.
Speaker 11 (16:35):
Well, his coach, Eli drink Witz put out a pleasant
servist announcement. Eli drink Witz he he went to uh
certainly fought for him on k Adams Show yesterday.
Speaker 5 (16:44):
It was good.
Speaker 7 (16:45):
See so he made him a ringing endorsement. He must
trying to fight for his kids. He must be hearing that.
And I wonder why.
Speaker 4 (16:50):
I wonder why I covered Luther Burton and his recruitment.
Got to know his his high school coach really well,
got to know his recruitment really well. You could nine
times out of ten tell if a kid was going
to be a headache during his recruitment.
Speaker 6 (17:02):
I'd never got that since we Luke that's good.
Speaker 9 (17:04):
Now.
Speaker 4 (17:04):
That was three years ago, so you know, things could
have happened. And he was obviously an in state legend,
went to Missouri and stayed in state and played well.
The guy for me would be James Pearce out of Tennessee.
Speaker 5 (17:13):
That's a good one.
Speaker 4 (17:14):
That would be the one that I'd want to sit
down and talk to and read him a little bit.
I mean, a hell of a player, and I think
if you factored everything off the field away, I think
he would be easily in contention for Edge one. But
he's not in contenent for Edge one for me as
a result, just because of all the whispers and things
going back to high school, as far as you know,
him being a problem in the locker room, him being
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a problem off the field, distraction at times. So I'd
want to sit down with James Pierce and get to
know him a little bit.
Speaker 5 (17:39):
Could he be a guy in slides?
Speaker 9 (17:41):
Potentially?
Speaker 4 (17:42):
Yeah, yeah, potentially, one hundred percent. I mean I think
he's already slid That's what I'm saying, Like, he's got
a situation. Film might not be a first round pick,
but he may slip out of the first round. And yeah,
I think in our mock last week we took him
at nineteen. But I could certainly see him slipping out
of the first round unless the team does meet with
him and is like, you know what, we'll take a
gamble on that will be okay with that and swings
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on it in the first round. That's certainly an interesting
swing to take in the first round. But that would
be one we would talk about on night one and
be like, look, this has great upside, but it could
also be a disaster.
Speaker 5 (18:10):
Is Mike Green this way?
Speaker 4 (18:11):
I don't think so. Not as bad as peers, not
as bad as peers. And there are questions about Mike.
Speaker 11 (18:15):
Green Green Marshall by the way, Yeah, I think he
did a good job to combine. Yeah, and like a
lot of people got their questions answered there, and he
had a great pro day yesterday.
Speaker 6 (18:22):
Yeah, And we talked to Mike Green and Mobile shows.
Speaker 5 (18:25):
It seemed awesome. I love the interview you guys had
with him.
Speaker 6 (18:27):
Now, granted you can't you can't read a person on
a ten minute interview.
Speaker 5 (18:30):
On the cap show, but I think that's all you need.
Speaker 4 (18:32):
And to be to be honest, you can't do it
in a thirty twelve. You can't do it in a
thirty visit, and you can't do it in a formal
meeting either. You know, sometimes guys they put on a
show and then they show up and they're a completely
different person. I feel like it's happened here a couple
of times, and so you would have to you would
have to look at James Pierce, and you would have
to look at James Pierce and do a lot of homework.
But I will say this building arguably does more homework
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on guys than any than any team in the NFL.
I have resources dedicated to figure out out these guys
everything about them.
Speaker 7 (19:02):
Never send au the private investigator follow a player for
a week.
Speaker 5 (19:06):
I've done that.
Speaker 7 (19:07):
Have they ever sent a private investigator to follow a
player for.
Speaker 4 (19:10):
I'll say this there there were a lot of people
in Left Texas right before does Bryant got Guy?
Speaker 5 (19:14):
I agree that Larry Wantsley's really good at his job.
I did, I had. I had Trade Thomas followed for
a week at Florida State. That's funny.
Speaker 11 (19:22):
The Justin Blackman stories I've heard those are pretty legendary
and still good stuff.
Speaker 2 (19:26):
Good stuff always fun here in the backside of of
really what this all happened?
Speaker 5 (19:32):
To spend millions of dollars in these players, as we'll
get to know them a little bit, to find out
where they're headed and what they're doing where they're going.
Speaker 8 (19:38):
Honestly, man, as long as you're not like Robin Banks
and hitting people and you know, you know you got
weaponry on you all the time, so you.
Speaker 5 (19:45):
Got to make sure that none of that's the case.
Like you do a show with me and you'd always
pull out weaponry on me. What are you talking about there?
Speaker 8 (19:50):
I am a civilian, sir, and I am a license Look, man,
a long as you ain't look just a little bit
of dee and never heard nobody, man. And honestly, it's
it's it's like wide receivers are that like running backs?
Speaker 9 (20:02):
You know?
Speaker 8 (20:02):
These these guys are they you know linemen are the
the humblers smarter? You know, we chill, we kicking it.
Those guys could be dva sometimes.
Speaker 9 (20:10):
Man.
Speaker 8 (20:10):
So if if the player matches up, and I would
love to know, Brian, what's your good?
Speaker 5 (20:14):
Oh whing me into this because.
Speaker 8 (20:16):
You've done this before. I'm just Seville and I just
I work on what he got. You have won a
Super Bowl? What's the the ratio of good player versus headache?
Speaker 9 (20:26):
Do you guys?
Speaker 5 (20:27):
You know?
Speaker 3 (20:28):
Oh?
Speaker 5 (20:28):
Yeah, you know you'll you'll you'll you'll put up it
a lot. Yeah yeah, you'll put up it a lot.
You really will.
Speaker 7 (20:33):
I mean you you know, uh, I'll never forget real quick.
Derek Alexander wide receiver, Michigan and he was this is
w It's a ninety in the Drift ninety five draft.
I want to say John Gruden was the receivers coach
of the Packers, and the Scouts kept talking about Derek
Alexander drinking problem, drinking problem, drinking problem, drinking problem, and
they went around the room to the coaches, and they
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asked him to say, John, what.
Speaker 5 (20:56):
Player do you really like?
Speaker 7 (20:57):
He goes, I love that Derek Alexander kid. But every
one of these guys.
Speaker 5 (21:00):
Says he has a drinking problem. He did that exact voice. Okay,
just lick him because yeah, everyone of you he's getting it.
Speaker 7 (21:09):
Drinking problem. This is a damn good football but you know,
and and went into it. So, yeah, you have your
discussions about that about players and stuff like that. It's
actually it's a pretty eye opening, uh to to to
to go through and to hear about a player's background
and then meet with the player and then kind of
learn a little bit more about it.
Speaker 8 (21:27):
Yeah, Model Pregame, l Come On Home and Luther Bird.
Speaker 4 (21:32):
The thing to think about quote unquote character concerns is
I think there's a lot that falls under that umbrella. Yeah,
I think, especially when we talk about it on the show.
I mean, it could be something as far as it
could be anything from legal, It could be anything from
he doesn't apply a lot of effort on the field.
You know, there's various things. For me personally, I would
deal with a lot. There was only one guy I
can think of last year that I would think, Yeah,
I wouldn't draft him because of what I know off
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the field, and that was a h Leonard Floyd from
or excuse me, Leonard Taylor from Floyd was a pretty
good well Leonard Taylor. Leonard Taylor. Yeah, he ended up
going on drafted. And so that was the only one
last year that I had major concerns about. The only
one I have major concerns about this year is James Spears.
So other than that, like give me, give me the
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headache of the Jalen rights, where like apparently he doesn't
apply himself in practice from last year.
Speaker 6 (22:19):
Give me that, I'll I'll figure that out.
Speaker 5 (22:21):
Now. Putting you on the spot, would you take James
Pierce off your board?
Speaker 4 (22:24):
See, that's why I would want to talk based off
of what I based off of what you know right now.
I mean I have seven edges above him because of
that issue. And it gets to a point where like, okay,
if he's on the board, I'm going to take him here. Okay,
more like somehow he slipped to say three No, no, no,
it's more more so if he slipped, like.
Speaker 7 (22:48):
Question not what he's done, but is it is it
really terminal? What your I mean what you know about
this Uh? Is it the point where like we're like,
if you have a second round grade on him and
he's your stack like it player player forty three, is
that is that a bad, bad risk?
Speaker 4 (23:08):
Yeah, if he's the best player on your board at
forty four, I mean, he's a talent you would have
to take. And I wouldn't argue in the room, but
I'd be like, hey, I just want you to know
that if you're expecting this guy to be here long term,
you need to plan for the fact that he might
not be.
Speaker 6 (23:20):
So you need to get an edge. You need to
get an edge to back him up.
Speaker 9 (23:23):
That's that's what.
Speaker 7 (23:24):
So Okay, so when he when he all of a sudden,
we're like and and Kyle goes, well, who's the best
player on your board, It'll be it's Piers.
Speaker 5 (23:31):
Yeah, it's Piers. It's Piers. So we'll know why then, right, Yes, Yeah.
Speaker 6 (23:38):
And I would say he's got me ques.
Speaker 4 (23:41):
I would say the question we had about Michael Parsons
going into that draft class, Yeah, along those same lines,
but I think a little bit more to a severe degree.
Speaker 5 (23:49):
Oh wow, Okay, yeah, here we go. Good to know.
Speaker 11 (23:51):
Yeah, all right, I'd let somebody else, Yeah, let somebody
else be a hero.
Speaker 5 (23:56):
Yeah, there's a lot of good edges.
Speaker 12 (23:58):
Good.
Speaker 5 (23:59):
I'd rather gamble so somewhere else.
Speaker 2 (24:00):
Yeah, And that's going to be the question for the
Cowboys that pick number forty four or seventy six or
whatever it ends up being good.
Speaker 5 (24:06):
Yeah, not at all all. Right.
Speaker 2 (24:08):
When we come back here on the Draft shows, time
for some twitter on the twenty. You have some great
questions from the fans out there about this NFL Draft.
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Speaker 7 (26:38):
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How do we get one of these? So still starting
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Speaker 9 (27:29):
So you're saying, I just can't walk out of the door,
it is right now, I gotta.
Speaker 5 (27:32):
I'll give you one.
Speaker 7 (27:33):
My man, Talik Williams is compared to Mozzie Smith. What
the hell is?
Speaker 5 (27:36):
What it is? What are we doing here?
Speaker 9 (27:38):
I ain't taking his home.
Speaker 5 (27:39):
No, I blame Todd that article.
Speaker 9 (27:41):
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Speaker 5 (28:07):
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Speaker 8 (28:11):
Twitter on the twenty cour No, no, but you're on
the show.
Speaker 9 (28:15):
I was looking at Chat. I was looking at it.
Speaker 8 (28:18):
I was looking at Chat watch up and you know,
we was talking about the off the field stuff. What
are we going to do about Lacey A movie.
Speaker 7 (28:26):
I talked to my gang of seven guys that nobody's
got him on their board.
Speaker 4 (28:29):
He's going to be It sounds like he's going to
be in a tough situation.
Speaker 6 (28:33):
Yeah, I don't know. I don't let the legal process
play out.
Speaker 11 (28:35):
But they're such a shame because he I mean, he
could have been right in line with the next LSU
stud receivers.
Speaker 5 (28:41):
He really could.
Speaker 7 (28:42):
But the gang of seven guys all said that nobody's
got him on their board.
Speaker 4 (28:46):
Basically, for those that don't know, he was involved in
a situation, uh right after the season ended. He was
speeding on a two lane road, was trying to pass
a car or like around on the left side. There
was a car coming head on. He swerved the car
that was coming head on. It hit the guy that
was behind him and killed the guy behind him, And
so and then Kyraen Lacey left the scene, so he
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was arrested a few weeks later. Actually, it took him
a couple of weeks to identify and then find Kyraen Lacey.
But yeah, he's he's in a heap of trouble.
Speaker 9 (29:16):
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get this money man.
Speaker 7 (29:19):
This see if this word can get to Athens because
they seem to run a Nascar.
Speaker 5 (29:24):
Yeah, those streets are not safe at the moment.
Speaker 8 (29:27):
My bad go ahead. Just had to ye, mem ten
and Chat asked about the appreciate.
Speaker 5 (29:32):
You, thanking man, appreciate you all right.
Speaker 2 (29:35):
This one is, of course, surrounding the recent news after
our last show on Tuesday that Cooper Rush is no
longer the quarterback backup quarterback.
Speaker 5 (29:45):
Here in Dallas.
Speaker 2 (29:46):
Joe wants to know what's the earliest you would take
a quarterback in this draft class?
Speaker 5 (29:50):
How early would you be willing to do so?
Speaker 6 (29:52):
To back up that pren can I throw a cave
out before we start talking?
Speaker 4 (29:55):
Yeah, let's say you acquire another third pick, a third
round pick.
Speaker 5 (29:59):
Oh yeah, watching watch about to do here? Go ahead, please, I.
Speaker 4 (30:06):
Just wanted to throw that caveato. I just want to
see you acquire another third. You acquired another third. I'm phony,
so I'm taking that third, and I'm drafting. Somebody's gonna help.
Speaker 5 (30:15):
Me right now.
Speaker 9 (30:17):
It's tough.
Speaker 8 (30:17):
I respect that Will Howard can play. Will Howard can play. Yeah, Man,
Sometimes in the magazine, I ain't reading this because y'all
just said, man, look sometimes sometimes sometimes when you watch
them quarterbacks in passing, just in the regular season, you
kind of put him in an archetype a little bit, right, Oh,
Will how was gonna be one of them cast that
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just throw, you know, Joe keep it on the data die.
But man, I started watching it and I watched playoffs
Oregon twice, Michigan, right, yeah, Oh my goodness, Oh he can.
I watched five six games, all right, all right, because
he was better than that fought and I'm like, man,
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he's not just checking down like he's pushing the ball
down the field. And this is after me watching Ward
and Sanders and Milrow. I'm like, y'all got the easy
little offense going on over here. Will Howard doing stuff
down the field a little bit. Now, he doesn't have
the arm that Ward has, But I'm just watching him
and he's dealing it out and he's making his reason.
He's showing toughness and I didn't know he was two
(31:18):
thirty for real. He's running people over with you know
what I'm saying with his designed runs, and I'm like, damn,
Will Howard, you get down better than I thought it was.
And me and Brian had this conversation. I know it
sounds a little weird to say, well, would you take
him in the first round? I like Will Howard more
than I like bow Knicks Last year JJ McCarthy last year,
I like Howard's film more than them, and those guys
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ended up being first round guys in a much better draft.
So in this worst draft, and look, the league don't
have to listen to me. I'm just a dude with
a camera, microphone. I don't even work here. I'm looking
at this guy I wouldn't do in the first round.
But if he's better than bow Knicks, why the hell not?
I like this kid. This kid got some good ass film.
Like I said, he got some good film, and he's
done it first the best competition in the world. To
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be fair with him, boy, he got a bunch of
wire receivers on a bunch offensive linemen and all running
backs that made real health. Right, But how I see
that is when he gets to the league, get him
some damn running backs, wire receivers, an offensive line, and
see if you can remake that.
Speaker 5 (32:14):
Yeah, if only it were that easy, right? How much?
How much was he helped by Chip Kelly coordinator?
Speaker 11 (32:19):
How much was he helped by arguably the best receiver
in college football? And Jeremiah Smith another first round pick
in Igbuca. Two running backs they're gonna go on Day
one and two. There was a lot of talent war
around Will Howard, so.
Speaker 5 (32:30):
He didn't f it up.
Speaker 11 (32:32):
Well, I mean there were times to Michigan's the only
time he fed it up.
Speaker 5 (32:36):
Yeah, yeah, I mean the Michigan game is rough. He
threw it. He had a pick in his own.
Speaker 9 (32:40):
That's a rivalry game. They don't count any time.
Speaker 5 (32:42):
Right, but he.
Speaker 7 (32:44):
Had a tremendous But I want to play the Philadelphia Eagles,
so it definitely.
Speaker 8 (32:47):
I was just gonna say that, do what the Eagles
doing with Hurts, make it relatively simple, get all the
help in the world you can get, and it's gonna
take a hell of a GM to do.
Speaker 5 (32:56):
So what round would you take? Well, Howard.
Speaker 9 (32:58):
Then I got him in the thing, but quarterback tex second.
Speaker 5 (33:03):
Second and hey, I can see that.
Speaker 8 (33:05):
But he better than bone Nicks and me, so take him,
take him at third. I was wrong on Bo, Nicks
went great, You went wrong. Shan Sean Payne's fantastic.
Speaker 11 (33:15):
Bonnicks fan is now Nick and I were riding the
Bnicks hate train.
Speaker 5 (33:20):
I was sorry, Bo, that seemed like a sweetheart might
have been driving the train.
Speaker 9 (33:24):
Yeah, it was.
Speaker 4 (33:25):
Hey, look I and I gave Bonicks credit on like
the second show of the of the season. The show
was like, look, he proved me wrong. You know what's
funny about Will Howard. When I was watching this film,
you talked about the design runs, you talked about kind
of getting out of the pocket a little bit. He
reminds me of what Dak was when he was coming
on a Missippi Stid. It's very similar. You look at the
size at two thirty five. He's a little bit taller
than Dak is, obviously, but he could push the ball downfield.
He can get out and run, especially if you look
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back at his Kansas State tape. They did a lot
more with him on design runs.
Speaker 5 (33:48):
He ran a lot of k State.
Speaker 4 (33:50):
Yeah, and they had they had a couple of speed
weapons to his to his usage as well. That was
really able to help that backfield. There were times in
Kansas State where like his decisive dislicked a little bit.
But I think that chip Kell system and learning under
Tip Kelly really benefited him last year.
Speaker 5 (34:03):
You're all got out a lot faster.
Speaker 4 (34:04):
You're gonna see that translates to the NFL for sure.
Did you like him more than Kyle McCord.
Speaker 9 (34:09):
I haven't watched him.
Speaker 8 (34:09):
Yeah, Me and Brian wading all the way to the
last minute to watch all those guys this week. So
our first four guys was Ward, Sanders, Milroe, and Howard,
and man, I was just man it shout out the
beam in them.
Speaker 5 (34:21):
He's got Will Howard Kansas State film up currently.
Speaker 8 (34:24):
But we haven't gotten there. So by the end of
the week. You're gonna ask me Monday. But I was
just blown away because I wasn't ready to be a
Will Howard fan. I was ready to just on Will Howard.
Speaker 9 (34:34):
Boy.
Speaker 8 (34:34):
He's a dude, and I would consider him if the
you know, if the you know situation.
Speaker 7 (34:38):
When you said the extra third round pick, you know,
I mean that makes a lot of sense to this guy.
Speaker 5 (34:42):
If you if you.
Speaker 7 (34:43):
Really want to get a legitimate backup guy, now you
lose the fifth year option on him, right you know,
you got him for four years, but it kind of
coincides with what your quarterback is doing right now, you know,
and you can kind of keep that in place, and
if Will Howard all sudden turns into something after four years,
you could go ahead and sign him, you know, knowing
that maybe you're gonna do something with your guy. I
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agree with the ash I I I went into thinking
that Will Howard. I was thinking Will Howard Kansas State,
kind of a Blacksmith quarterback, just kind of good work ethic,
nothing really spectacular. You watch this, you watch the Michigan
game was and by the way, there's two there's two
guys that I've seen so far, Milroe and Will Howard
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that had trouble with Michigan. That's a pro defensive coordinator.
Speaker 5 (35:30):
There at Mirandalee Wink Martindale.
Speaker 7 (35:33):
Yeah, you go back and watch Milroe play against Michigan
in that in that Bowl game, Wink Martindale did some
things to him. And then and then you look at
Will Howard, you know, did some things to him. So
you know, but I I was expecting kind of. But
you watch all the playoff games, you watch some of
the early season stuff with Will Howard, man was dealing.
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I mean he he Yeah, He's got great weapons, the receivers,
the running game, the line and all that. Man, you
gotta go out there, take the snap and deliver and execute.
Guy does a great job of executing. So a third
round pick, I wouldn't be surprised to some of these
other quarterbacks, him, Jackson Dart, those guys probably go to
a lot higher than what we what we thought initially.
Speaker 11 (36:13):
I wouldn't go QB till fifth round. Personally, the Cowboys
need to be getting starters here on days one and two.
And to me, you just your quarterback.
Speaker 5 (36:23):
Is he is what he is, He's here. Now you've
got your guy.
Speaker 11 (36:28):
So if they fall in love with one of these guys,
let's say, hey, I do love Will Howard.
Speaker 5 (36:31):
I love a Comic Cord.
Speaker 11 (36:31):
I'm glad you brought up Comic Cord because that's the
guy for me that I loved what he did battling adversity.
He was the scapegoat at Ohio State. We couldn't beat Michigan,
and it was your fault. Well, they still couldn't beat
Michigan this year. And what did he do? He went
to Syracuse, won nine games, helped that program really turn
themselves around.
Speaker 2 (36:47):
I have one of the greatest statistical seasons in college
football history, and.
Speaker 11 (36:51):
That dude can make every throw and he's got some touch,
I like the deep ball accuracy, maybe the arm. I mean,
nobody's got a stronger arm than Jalen Milrow. Like Milroe
could be the most boomer Bus quarterback in this draft.
Speaker 7 (37:02):
Watching watch him against Georgia and then watch him against
Michigan and the first half specifically against Georgia was absolutely dominant.
Speaker 11 (37:09):
I mean he's got like Malachi Starts, oh yes, and
what he can do in the running game, like that's
going to translate. You could use him specially in certain packages,
but as a thrower if he could figure out how
to get his accuracy improved, much like we saw Josh
Allen do look out like Jalen Milroe's got m VP
like talent.
Speaker 5 (37:26):
Jalen Milroe isn't throwing to cattle ranchers, No, you know
what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (37:29):
So, I mean that's he is throwing to what seventeen
year old Ryan Williams.
Speaker 5 (37:34):
He is.
Speaker 6 (37:36):
Other than Ryan Williams. They kind of got some cattle
ranchers ever seen.
Speaker 5 (37:40):
But I like McCord. I mean mcort is definitely wanted
to take the third.
Speaker 6 (37:43):
McCord yes for me.
Speaker 5 (37:45):
Yeah, I got McCord in the third. So where would
you take him, Zach? I mean, where would you take
him for the Cowboys?
Speaker 11 (37:50):
Well, I'm not taking a guy for the fifth, so
he's probably not gonna be in play for the Cowboy.
Speaker 5 (37:53):
I'm looking at Quinnario.
Speaker 11 (37:54):
I'm looking at queer viewers a round five for the Cowboys,
the fifth Cowboys.
Speaker 5 (37:59):
Yeah, I do. I'm not high on Quinn to some other.
Speaker 2 (38:01):
Same kind of thing though, if you're going to spend
one of your first three round picks, if you're trying
to get a bona fide backup, like Brian was talking about,
you're going to have to do so earlier than the
fifth round. If you're getting a guy that's going to,
no doubt be your backup, be your QB two, you're
going to have to do it in the first, second,
third round, maybe the fourth round.
Speaker 5 (38:18):
But you got to get back up there in order
to do it.
Speaker 7 (38:20):
Well, they showed you they're willing to go picking up
or to give at a quarter get.
Speaker 2 (38:23):
A backup, so you can maybe package some of those picks,
get back up, get a third, or get a fourth.
If you're able to do that, I'm in on taking
a quarterback in those picks.
Speaker 5 (38:32):
But if you're not going to do that, I'm with Zach.
I'm going fifth starters up front.
Speaker 4 (38:38):
But the thing I want to first propose if I
could watch, please, Zach, you have brought it up as like, hey,
in the first two days, I want to get starters.
Speaker 6 (38:44):
You guys that can start. Sure, you have a quarterback
that has missed a significant amount of time as you're
doing four or five seasons.
Speaker 4 (38:51):
I mean, if you're in a situation where this team
is ten and three, right and Dak goes down with
a season ending injury, you need to have anybody you
have a fifth round rookie, you're going to be You're
gonna be.
Speaker 11 (39:00):
Up a pool shory that twenty first pick. Yeah, you
would be, or you could be three and five. Dak
goes down and then you've got a quarterback that overperforms,
and now you're sitting where I'd love to be getting
an Abdul Carter. But now we're talking about the options
at twelve, right, I'd rather just go ahead and be
in full tank mode and I'm talking about the arch
mannings or who are the best quarterbacks on the board
than what we're doing here arguing about Will Howard and
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the third. Personally, I'd rather just stink. If I'm gonna stink,
I'd rather just stink.
Speaker 4 (39:25):
So you're trying to hold out for one year, Yeah,
and hope that Dak can get seventeen ycause.
Speaker 11 (39:29):
The likelihood of one of these and look, hey, Dak's
proven it's possible, it's possible. But the likelihood of these
rookie quarterbacks sliding in there and you're feeling good about
a ten and three team, I mean, it could end
up being deer in the headlights.
Speaker 5 (39:41):
This thing doesn't go well anyway.
Speaker 11 (39:43):
So hey, they've done more homework on these quarterbacks and
no kind of the makeup of them. And look, assessing
these guys is very very hard. Specifically in that position.
They'd know if they have a guy like that with Dak.
But then again, i mean, how many other quarterbacks were
talked about prior to Dak in that and it kind
of worked out fell into your lap. Yeah, maybe that happens,
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but I'm not really looking to attack that until day three. Personally,
I don't think this team's giving them the luxury to
be able to do that any earlier.
Speaker 5 (40:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (40:10):
Kind of along the same lines, but in a completely
different position group.
Speaker 5 (40:15):
Matthew wants to ask.
Speaker 2 (40:16):
At pick seventy six, Let's say you addressed wide receiver
in round one and defensive line in round two, what
is the next position of need that you have to
fill in that third round pick. If you don't get
another pick to try and help you on day two,
all it once ready?
Speaker 6 (40:30):
Corner?
Speaker 8 (40:31):
Yeah, Like that's the problem. Like you would love to
have corner. You would love to have a one take
in there. You would like to think about Guardess, you
just got too many holes, which is why quarterback really
won't work out for you. Like, you just got so
many needs and you don't have the premium picks to
fully address that. And that's why we were hoping free agency.
Let's get a little busy with free agency because we
ain't got the picks to fill all this up. I
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think they're going to walk into the draft and try
to fill all this up with those with those picks
and it's not gonna work out.
Speaker 5 (40:58):
Where would you go? Who'd you pick a question? Yeah,
the corner would be. But who did you pick in
the first who.
Speaker 2 (41:04):
Did the wide receiver and defensive line and guy running back? Yeah,
so running back would be one.
Speaker 7 (41:11):
To this point, all we've done is talk about how
much better we're going to run the ball. I don't
know if you've necessarily other than hiring coaches have kind
of gone done, gone that way. So to me, yeah,
I have I have a stack of running backs in
the third round that i'd absolutely love. I have some
guys in the fifth round i'd absolutely love.
Speaker 8 (41:26):
To take care he you love your fourth fifth round guys.
Speaker 7 (41:30):
I don't think it's a bad list. I think from
top to bottom it's a it's a damn good group.
But I've got some guys in the third round that
are like, just keep handing them the ball and you're
gonna have some success. If you pair one of these
guys with say Williams, you know, is his ability to
catch and block, you can do all right? I would
address it cornerback or running back in the third round
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for me, Yeah.
Speaker 5 (41:54):
Neither one of those. You'll you'll get a guy whoever's
higher on your board.
Speaker 7 (41:57):
I might even get my nickel there. I might even
get my my nickel corn Parish.
Speaker 11 (42:01):
That would be a good one, Zach, you have any preference, yeah,
corner and running back I think would definitely be the
route that you need to go in that scenario, I
would go running back.
Speaker 5 (42:07):
I don't want to leave day three without a runner personally.
Speaker 2 (42:09):
Okay, Brandon wants to know if you're looking to trade
back in the first round. What's the furthest you're willing
to trade back? How far are you willing to pull
the parachute and get out if you are going to
trade back and pick up some selections.
Speaker 9 (42:21):
I hate trade bad question. That's how the brand. I
hate you. Of course we want more picks.
Speaker 8 (42:25):
Of course we would love to have far we go
all the way back to get a two and of three,
of course we would, man, But sure, Brandon, I would
go all the way back to thirty two and get
two seconds in the third if if they'll let me.
Speaker 9 (42:38):
But mostly it.
Speaker 8 (42:39):
Depends on who's on the board right So I'm not
moving on from McMillan, Jay, Tanko and Ted shouldn't be
there neither. But like if it's like Jala Walk on
the board, Mikeel on the board. It's all Mike Green
on the boat. I like Mike Green one of the
corners up there. Sure if the player, if your best
player on the board is close to your twenty fifth player,
I'll go to twenty five. If he's close to your
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thy second player, I'll go back to thirty two. Just
give me all the picks and I'll just go crazy
on day on day two and we'll just run like that.
Speaker 5 (43:06):
Jeff and I yesterday Kavanaugh.
Speaker 7 (43:07):
I went all the way back to green Bay at
twenty three is how far we went. And we traded twice, Jeff.
You know, Jeff loves to trade, so we traded twice.
We went, well, they'll give you some offers Seattle eighteen
and then green Bay at twenty three.
Speaker 5 (43:21):
Just kept moving back.
Speaker 11 (43:22):
So I don't think, yeah, I mean twenty five with Houston. Yeah,
maybe that's kind of a range. Like I'd like to
stay in the top twenty five if I could, But
I get it really just depends on like how is
the draft falling, So it might have to be in
the minute, like what are the players still there? But
if I go to twenty five, I still end up
with a d tackle that I like maybe, or a
corner that you like that you got some risk on,
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like ooh and one of these guys slide to me, Yeah,
that might be fun.
Speaker 8 (43:46):
Something I want people to think about is what are
these teams trading up for?
Speaker 11 (43:50):
That's what I don't think you're gonna have a ton
of options to try.
Speaker 5 (43:54):
That's what I always say.
Speaker 7 (43:54):
I always say, listen, it's easy to drop out of there. Yeah,
and if you want to just get screwed on your
on your compensation, sure bail on out of there and
you could be happy that.
Speaker 5 (44:04):
Well I didn't.
Speaker 7 (44:05):
I should have got a three and only I got
I mean I should have got two and only got
a three because I bailed eighteen spots.
Speaker 5 (44:11):
Think about that, What are they paying for?
Speaker 7 (44:13):
Ye If you're if you're, if you're, if you're one
of those guys and gals that wants to just trade
to trade, fine, somebody will do it.
Speaker 5 (44:20):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (44:20):
Oh by the way, hey, if you want to drop
ten spots, we'll give you a five.
Speaker 5 (44:24):
Okay, okay, wa fourth back. Let's go let me ask
you a question here real quick. We got the twelfth pick
for the Dallas cowboys. When do you feel it? What pick?
Do you feel you're gonna lose your last first round
guy on your board? Probably maybe fifteen? Yeah, right around there.
Speaker 7 (44:43):
Okay, So if we're going to bail on out of there,
we're not going to pick a first round guy on
our board.
Speaker 5 (44:47):
Yeah, you're gonna pick a you're going and that's fine.
Speaker 7 (44:50):
If you if you if you're in love with your
second round guys, you know, if you if you're if
you're totally okay with that.
Speaker 5 (44:56):
You know.
Speaker 7 (44:57):
The whole idea is to try and kind of take
the best players. This is the goes along. So if
you've got fifteen guys on your board, you kind of
want to try and pick.
Speaker 5 (45:05):
In that group if you can.
Speaker 7 (45:06):
Yeah, And some of the guys, if you guys are
telling me that by the time I get to Seattle
at eighteen, that on my board's wiped out.
Speaker 8 (45:13):
Honestly, Brian, in real life, that may be like twelve
or thirteen for you, because some of our first round
guys are hurt.
Speaker 5 (45:18):
Guys, character guys exactly.
Speaker 8 (45:20):
So we may only have thirteen true first round guys.
Speaker 5 (45:24):
In revealed those kind of guys. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (45:26):
Sure, So if we're looking at eighteen, just based off
of ar Mock the other day, the Cowboys would have
had Booker there, James Pierce, Luthor Burden, Jackson Dart, Will Campbell,
Derek Harmon.
Speaker 5 (45:36):
But if you go back to twenty next, yeared me
the hell off of Pierce for sure.
Speaker 8 (45:39):
Piers, Yeah, oh, what's up about when you talk about
I shouldn't asked about when you talk about boy?
Speaker 2 (45:45):
And going back to twenty five, that list gets a
little bit smaller. It's guys like Golden and Revel and
Malachi Starks as a roku from Boston College, Lamar Stewart
still have some names. Yeah, but their early second round.
Speaker 8 (45:59):
Name they are just like the dudes that are going
to go thirty two and maybe forty or something.
Speaker 7 (46:03):
We Zach Raby plus did are asked to try and
come up with fifteen names in the first round.
Speaker 5 (46:07):
Yeah, and we want to go away from.
Speaker 2 (46:09):
That, sure, Okay, Yeah, Dallas Day is coming up in
a couple of a couple of days. And I know, Nick,
you've been all over the Dallas Day list. Who are
some of the guys that are most likely to get drafted?
This comes from Kevin.
Speaker 4 (46:23):
Okay, forty fifty, so I'm sorry, I'm counting nineteen guys
that I have draftable grades on nice that are eligible
for Dallas Day.
Speaker 6 (46:30):
I'll run through them really quick. Day one.
Speaker 4 (46:31):
These are just guys that are eligible, Like Shador Sanders
is eligible, He's not coming here. Shador Sanders, Ashton Jenz
Ashton Gentz will be here, Quinn Yours will be here,
Ollie Gordon the second from Oklahoma State will be here,
Damian Martinez from Miami will be here. Elijah Royo, Cameron Williams,
Caleb Rodgers from Texas Tech from our turner. Day three
guys Jake Major's out of Texas, Jabar Mohammed out of Oregon,
Billy Bowman junior out of Oklahoma, Chase Lunt out of Connecticut,
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jack Quayna Jackson out of Arkansas, Theo Weese out of Missouri,
Jalen Kimber out of Penn State, r J. Mickens out
of Clemson, Craig Woodson out of California who will be here,
and Seth Hennigan out of Memphis.
Speaker 6 (47:06):
And then there's a.
Speaker 4 (47:06):
Handful of other undrafted guys that I think are fun personally,
but uh, those are those are the draftable guys that
are eligible.
Speaker 5 (47:15):
Great right there.
Speaker 8 (47:17):
Huh uh Lunt from from a Yukon. I love, I
love Chase left from the right tackle ste I think
that was that was who you see. Look, this is
the problem. Terry Steele played at Texas Tech. When he
threw the ball fifty times, you wouldn't assume that they
would get a run blocker out of their scheme. Yeah,
but Chase Lunt, they run the ball over there, and
they run outside a penn and pull over there. He
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does it well and he tries to finish people.
Speaker 6 (47:41):
Arlington Martin Grad.
Speaker 11 (47:42):
So there's a couple of quarterbacks though, set Hennigan, youewers,
those might be options.
Speaker 7 (47:47):
For you guys. You didn't put Memphis quarterback seth hundred Memphis.
Speaker 9 (47:52):
I'm okay, I'm gonna stop at two hundred players.
Speaker 5 (47:56):
Leave it that. Don't hate on Seth Hennigan to get after.
Speaker 9 (48:02):
Jeff. I don't hand on Chase Chase.
Speaker 5 (48:07):
I don't know, leap in disrespectful.
Speaker 9 (48:08):
It's I know, it is terrible.
Speaker 5 (48:11):
His dad's a legend in the area. By the way,
Dave Hennigan.
Speaker 2 (48:14):
It's what do you do? He was a head coach
and a state champion at Dent't Ryan High.
Speaker 5 (48:17):
School. Some of your favorite draft prospects went to.
Speaker 9 (48:19):
Him chus out of Johnny from topics.
Speaker 5 (48:22):
You're the worst, all right.
Speaker 2 (48:24):
When we come back, I want to look ahead at
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Draft Show with a little tell me More. I want
to know a little bit more about some players we
haven't mentioned much here on the Draft Show, one of
which Jabbar Mohammed Corner from Oregon.
Speaker 5 (51:23):
Of course, we've.
Speaker 2 (51:23):
Heard a lot of the assistant coaches making the trip
out there to Oregon. Could Muhammad be a later draft
pick that we could maybe see wearing a star on
the side of his helm?
Speaker 5 (51:33):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (51:33):
Jabbar Mohammad de Soto Grad. We're gonna be talking about
his brother here in a couple of years, Malik Muhammad
out of Texas. He's also got a ton of family
members in the NFL. That family is kind of the
first family of football in South Dallas. If you are
a football fan in Dallas, you know about the Mohammad family.
But Jabar Mohammad is the next one up. He's probably
the smallest of the crew the Mohamed family, but has
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a wealth of experience. You go back to Washington where
he made college Football Playoff National championship a year ago.
Was a star corner on that team. Then when that
coaching staff got blown up for when Kaitlyn to Bor
left for Alabama, he left for Oregon and went to
the other side of the of the rivalry and played
well for the Ducks last year.
Speaker 5 (52:15):
The thing for me with Jabbar start off at Oklahoma State.
Speaker 4 (52:18):
He started off at and a lot of Mohammeds have
started at Oklahoma State and end up finishing somewhere else.
I wonder when they're gonna learn. I think I think
with with Jabbar, though great hands and I love his
hand fighting, I do I think there's a lot you're
gonna have to work on with his footwork and the explosion.
The testing did not come back great from the combine.
I mean, you're looking at a guy who you would
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probably have to play in the slot with a vertical
of twenty nine and a half and didn't do broad
didn't do forty. I mean, so he's I think he's
trying to hide some of that athleticism that he lacks
for the next level. This is gonna be a guy
that I think on day three we're gonna talk about
maybe in the sixth or seventh round. And look, he's
a great player, great hands. Like I said, if if
if we're talking short route concepts, I think this guy
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be really good playing in like a zone type scheme.
But if you're asking this guy to carry a guy
on the outside stride for stride down the field and
you know, potentially have to work with a guy that
hasn't developed a route tree, I think you're asking him
to do it maybe a little bit too much, But
I think this is a guy that for another team
would be a draftable player. For this team, this isn't
the type of corner that they like.
Speaker 11 (53:19):
He's gonna be too small, and I think I have
a problem. I like these small corners. I knew he
had a game winning pass breakup against Ohio State. It
ended up getting overturned because they had an illegal the
too many people. But this dude I love, and he's
a friend of our show. We actually had him on
a couple of weeks ago. High Character Dude, High Football IQ.
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He is giving up a lot on the outside, but
he's competitive as all hell, and there are times you're
gonna see him get a little bit body better. Route
runners are gonna beat him down the field, but when
he can get a jam, play physical. He plays bigger
than what his size indicates. And I do like him
kicking inside, playing nickel corner. I think the footwork would
be better off inside in tight areas because I think
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he's quick. But to me, the pass breakups like his
ability to get his hands in there between the receiver.
Speaker 5 (54:07):
And the football swipes.
Speaker 11 (54:09):
Dude had twelve pass breakups last year. Forty career pass
breakups played against really good competition. You watched him at
Washington against Xavier Worthy. Now that's a good matchup for
him because against smaller receivers, we got this roll in
right now, he really took Exavier Worthy out of that
game at some points. And he's a guy that welcomes
going up against the best receivers on the team. Him
against Jeremiah Smith was really fun tape. Jabar Mohammed's guy
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would bet on on day three. I know he's not
gonna be the measurable guy, not at all, but the
heart and I love the makeup ability with what he
plays with the physicality, just a pest man. He's got
a little bit of that dog in him, and you
need that in a corner.
Speaker 8 (54:44):
Maybe a little safety, you know, maybe, yeah, tackler, I
could see that he you know rees well, you know,
I think personally, you know, you wouldn't like him versus big,
tall characters all the time, right, but watching them versus Boise,
like they noticed that, right, So they put all these
characters over there on him, and he's just fighting with
these guys, just batting the passes, crosses over the middle
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of the field.
Speaker 9 (55:05):
Good lucky you slants, good luxy.
Speaker 11 (55:07):
He's he'll lose come back and he's like, all right,
you got me once, I'm gonna get you this time.
Speaker 8 (55:10):
But that five jump out the film, don't it. Yeah,
that's that's on him, man, good lady.
Speaker 7 (55:15):
The only thing I have to say, I think everybody's
got him right. I think you need to see his
eyes around quicker. I think there's some problems with the
ball goes and he gets a little bit you know
where he gets in trouble that way of not getting
his eyes around fast enough.
Speaker 5 (55:25):
But he's super competitive. I love that about the kid. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (55:29):
I think overall, when you look at his pedigree, in
the way that he started his career the way that
he ended it, it's always kind of been in that
same mentality moving forward. Now, I want to talk about
linebacker here, Chamar James out of Florida.
Speaker 5 (55:41):
What did you see from him? Moving? Uh, staying on
the defensive side of the ball. But what did you
see from James?
Speaker 11 (55:47):
I think this is a guy that's a good athlete,
is not a good football player. Okay, personally, he just
doesn't I don't see the instinct. There's no instincts at all,
Like I sense hesitancy when you watch him play. He's athletic,
he moves well, unblocked, blitzes. He he doesn't never finish,
but he does a really good job of forcing the
quarterback out of the pocket, but he doesn't finish. Uh,
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he's he's a little stiff in his lateral agility kind
of hops around a bit for me. Reminds me, and
he reminds me of a little Jalen Smith, so like
he's a little late to the party.
Speaker 7 (56:16):
He's a straight line player and he I think he
needs to be a will You got to keep him
free and just let him run because the instincts he
really doesn't. I mean there are plays where he clearly
loses the ball. Yeah, I mean it just like he's
his head is you know, he just doesn't know where
it's coming from. So I just I think i'd have
a hard time with him.
Speaker 8 (56:36):
Was he ever a safety. But you know they'll, they'll
he's six sometimes, yeah, got him do that kind of stuff.
But I don't think he's great at it at all.
Speaker 7 (56:44):
Yeah, I just man, like I said, the instincts just
bothered me. And this is how straight line he is.
And when he even when he rushed, you could see
how hard it was for him to turn when a
quarterback was able to move, you know, moving out of
the out of the pocket on him, and he was
having to to kind of make that happen he's.
Speaker 5 (56:59):
Just such a big time recruit.
Speaker 11 (57:00):
Like Niki, your probably a five star recruit coming out
of the state of Alabama, which the number three prospect
in the state, and he just they missed on it
for whatever reason.
Speaker 5 (57:09):
It's just and he picked Florida Overbama. It just didn't
work out respecfully.
Speaker 6 (57:13):
It was not a five so we didn't miss on
that game.
Speaker 4 (57:15):
Yeah, but you talked about the safety profile that I
do remember that being a discussion during his recruitment. It's like, Okay,
this is going to be kind of the modern off
ball linebacker that you can see playing the second level
with the next level, whereas, like you know, maybe ten
years ago, this guy's maybe further back. But this is
a guy that the Cowboys had a formal meeting with
at the combine, and you would understand why, you know,
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if you're looking for depth at the linebacker position, this
is a guy who played in all four phases of
special teams at Florida. He did as late as as
late as a senior year. So maybe that's the type
of guy you're looking for in a Day three pick
like this. But I'm with what everybody said here at
the table.
Speaker 2 (57:50):
Well, in a lot of times when you have a
formal at the combine, sometimes you want to put a
guy like that on the whiteboard. See what he knows
from an instinct standpoint, from a scheme standpoint, what actually
football IQ is there? Because, like you said, the athleticism
jumps off and he's got all sorts of athletic ability.
But when you want to try and kind of pigeonhole
where he's going to be from a football IQ standpoint,
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that's where you could really get hurt.
Speaker 5 (58:14):
All right.
Speaker 2 (58:14):
Caandre Lambert Smith from Auburn, the wide receiver, tall prospect
out of out of Auburn that spent some time at
Penn State previously.
Speaker 5 (58:23):
Anybody Havekeandre Lambert Smith.
Speaker 8 (58:26):
Physical jump ball slant guy. Yeah, tackle me if you can. Yeah,
you know what I'm saying, Like he's that kind of guy.
You know, I wouldn't call him like a route run
or nothing like that. But he gets down, he gets downfield,
a little step boom, he gets down.
Speaker 11 (58:39):
He's not going to leave you a like super elusive
in the open field. You know what he's doing. He's catching,
he's getting up field. But you're right, and he's got
some home run hitting speed with his game. I mean
at six one, I thought he was bigger. Like we
saw him in person of the Shrine Bowl.
Speaker 5 (58:50):
He looks big. He stood out to us like, man,
this dude is big.
Speaker 11 (58:54):
He at Penn State, he was pretty darn good before
transferring to Auburn. We talked about it off the ear
of the Black Lines there with Cam Chancellor.
Speaker 5 (59:01):
I do like the play. I thought the film was
pretty don impressive.
Speaker 7 (59:03):
Yes, seventy four percent of his receptions resulting in a
first down yep for Auburn. And its funny because I
was looking at Pro Football Focus after watching the tape.
Five hundred and fifteen of his five hundred and thirty
one snaps were taken on the right side of the offense,
so he was primarily just a as we see a
right right side player.
Speaker 5 (59:22):
I loved him running slants. By the way, I mean
they threw the ball.
Speaker 7 (59:26):
I mean, the Auburn's quarterbacks are just awful and he
They're throwing the ball all over the place.
Speaker 5 (59:31):
But this guy, I mean, you see some of the
four to three seven, he does.
Speaker 7 (59:35):
Have some of that that that that speed, and he's
not afraid to extend for the ball.
Speaker 5 (59:39):
And I like how he acceparates.
Speaker 7 (59:41):
He catches share of balls in traffic, and I think
he plays with a lot of courage because there's no
time where the ball is gonna end up for him.
Speaker 5 (59:47):
So you always wonder.
Speaker 7 (59:48):
Why kid, you know, leaves Penn stay to go to
Auburn and play in such a terrible situation at quarterback.
Speaker 5 (59:54):
But this kid went through it.
Speaker 2 (59:56):
Good catch radius, high point, ability to track the ball.
I mean, he's got all of those different elements to it.
You talked about the multiple eighty yard receptions in a season.
He's got a home run.
Speaker 5 (01:00:05):
Ability to him.
Speaker 2 (01:00:06):
Played his best football down the stretch in twenty twenty
four too. You look at the games against AMM, Texas
A and M. He had one hundred yard performs the
game before that, he had one hundred against ULM, and
then he had one hundred against Alabama in the game
in the Iron Bowl in Tuscaloosa. So lots of good
positive things there.
Speaker 5 (01:00:23):
I thought. Is his build, like you said, he's tall
and lanky.
Speaker 2 (01:00:27):
He's got some tone there, but he's a little slim
on the outside. That's okay, that's fine. You can kind
of refine his route running Like you said, it wasn't
a perfect route running, kind of rounded his breaks at times.
You can maybe refine the footwork there. I think he's
a good football player and somebody that on day three
you would really take a chance on, and maybe a
guy you can work into a rotation starting as a
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rookie as well. I mean he was all big ten
with Penn State, turns around and gets all SEC with
Auburn and in an offense, like Brian said, with not
good quarterback play.
Speaker 5 (01:01:00):
Andre Lambert. Smith's kind of a diamond in the rough
for this this draft.
Speaker 2 (01:01:03):
Not going to be a guy that'll be a Day one,
day two guy, But on day three we're going to
hear his name called and say that's a good pick
for whatever team selects him.
Speaker 4 (01:01:10):
Mentioned you mentioned Brian that first downstat. Yeah, if you
have it in front of you, what was it again,
it's fine.
Speaker 5 (01:01:17):
Seventy four percent of his receptions resulted in a first down.
Speaker 4 (01:01:21):
You said that, Kyle, you mentioned him being a home
run hitter. This is a guy who does specialize with
the downfield routes. Yeah, these short route concepts. You go
back and watching the film, Corners are jamming him and
getting him out of there, and he has tells too.
Whenever he's running, these curls are running, you know, inside
the sticks. So this would be a guy that you
would have to trust with your quarterback to be able
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to find some home run ability. But I think he's
going to find a fun spot in the league, and
if he's in the right spot, he can be a
dynamic claimate maker.
Speaker 2 (01:01:48):
And We're going to try and do some more of
these tell me mores as we get closer thirty days
out from the NFL Draft, and I'm going to keep
kind of giving names for those that haven't had a
scouting report yet or may not have the access to
the film. Gonna get these names out there as we
go along. But that does it for us here on
the Draft Show. That hour went by very quick, guys,
well done as always. We'll be back on Thursday. Quarterback
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on Thursday. So wake up with us, grab your your
favorite coffee, your favorite morning beverage. We'll get you ready
for some draft coming up on Thursday as well. For
Brian brought us Zach Wilchuck Watch Lombardi, Nick Harris, Chris
Beam in the back of Kyle Yeoman saying so long
from the Draft show.
Speaker 5 (01:02:29):
We'll see you on Thursday.
Speaker 1 (01:02:31):
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Speaker 2 (00:24):
Today is Tuesday, March twenty fifth, twenty twenty five, and
we are officially twenty four days away from the NFL
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Miller Lte, the only beer of the Dallas Cowboys. It
is Miller time and we are now within a month
away from the NFL Draft and things are starting to
ramp up very quickly here Nick Harris, We're gonna start
seeing some third thirty visit names start to handle. Pro
days are currently in action, a lot of big ones
coming up this weekend too.
Speaker 3 (01:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (01:06):
I don't mean to be a hater, but I think
it's thirty days. Thirty days until the draft.
Speaker 5 (01:09):
What did I say?
Speaker 6 (01:10):
Twenty four?
Speaker 4 (01:10):
It's okay, Why did I say twenty five? We can
use twenty four next more than No, it's.
Speaker 5 (01:14):
Definitely thirty days, just a week ahead. What did I say? Yeah, Yeah,
I don't know. Don't don't worry. That's the second time
I've misspoke today.
Speaker 6 (01:20):
On first of the week.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
First of the week, I'm talking with the boys, I said,
Dave Hinney or Dave hitting And.
Speaker 5 (01:24):
That's aeth wait to Dent Ryan Raiders. Yeah, no, he
went to Memphis. All right, So there we go.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
Yeah, thirty days. My bad, but yeah, thirty days. We're
right under a month left, and we've got.
Speaker 5 (01:35):
A lot of stuff still to be sifted through here,
Brian is this is.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
This the busiest time for the scouting department trying to
put all these boards together.
Speaker 7 (01:44):
Now, it's you know, there's some teams that out there
doing workouts right now. I mean, I know, yesterday doing
a radio show, watching watching a ward work underneath center.
You know, it seems like to me that's the big
thing is some of these quarterbacks that are playing in
today's game are all playing in the show. So we
got these NFL scouts and coaches want to see them
play take reps from underneath center. So yeah, we're we're
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in the process right now of kind of getting all
those things done, and when the first of April comes around,
then we'll all kind of reconvene and then that's when
you'll start putting these boards together. So it's a it's
a good time. They just make sure you get all
the final numbers and make sure nobody fell through the cracks.
And there's some guys that are probably you know, help
themselves with some pro days. Maybe they're maybe a priority
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free agent that all of a sudden now they're a
sixth round guy. So a lot of work is still
to be done.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
Yeah, finding these diamonds in the rough votch, trying to
get some guys on the board that you maybe didn't
have initially, and try and build relationships too.
Speaker 5 (02:43):
That's a big part of this moment.
Speaker 8 (02:45):
Yeah, yeah, man, you know, I'm just watching film, you
know what I mean, I'm just I'm just watching film.
And then you know, Nick Harris is gonna tweet, Oh,
the Cowboys thought such and such of this doing. I'm
gonna go, oh, I never heard that. Let me go
watch the film on that dude real fast, last minute,
so I could be so I could be ready to go.
But yeah, man, the visits, the workouts, they have nothing
to do with me. In particularly, I show up and
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I watch film. My job on this show is to
kind of, you know, get an idea of the player,
and you know, when I learn more about the coaches
and what they want to do, then I could take
those players that we watched and kind of apply it there.
But that's that's not my lane at all. I don't
think I learned very much unless somebody tweets somebody and
then I go, cool, Now we don't.
Speaker 5 (03:23):
Now you get on the film.
Speaker 7 (03:25):
I would pay attention to one thing, please, I'd pay
attention with position coaches go to schools and work guys out. Yeah, sure,
head coaches, not so much. Position coaches. If your position,
if Nick and others are tweeting about that, certain position
coaches are at certain big schools watching workouts. For example,
we got pro days coming up at Ohio State, Texas, A,
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and M. If your if your coaches are out watching
these pro days, your position coaches keep an eye on that.
That's that's a that's a pretty good indicator right there.
What they're trying to think about with these guys, is.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
There anything kind of standing out from the bread crumbs
that we've seen so far, Nick on where those guys
have been.
Speaker 4 (04:02):
Yeah, certainly we can look at last week and throughout
the last couple of weeks. Matti ebra Fluss has been
super active. He went to three different SEC pro days.
I know we talked about it on this show a
little bit, but he went to Tennessee, Georgia, and South
Carolina and then Oregon.
Speaker 6 (04:16):
Last week was a notable one.
Speaker 4 (04:18):
They had a wide receivers coach Junior Adams, offensive line
coach Connor Riley, and defensive line coach Aaron Whitecotton kind
of reading the tea leaves on that Junior Adams I
think was just going to support his former Oregon guys.
Obviously he came from that Oregon staff. Then you look
at the offensive line, I mean you could be looking
at Josh Connery, you could be looking at Johnny Cornelius
maybe later in the draft. Defensive line Jordan Birch, I
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know we've talked about him, Derek Harmon, maybe is he
more in play?
Speaker 6 (04:43):
Jamari Caldwell, So I found that interesting.
Speaker 4 (04:46):
And then David Overstreet, the secondary coach, was at Florida
State late last week. So as ari A Thomas Central Cyprus.
So those are a couple of guys that I think
could potentially work out in favor for the Cowboys, maybe
on day two or later.
Speaker 6 (05:01):
So this week is going to be the busy week.
Speaker 4 (05:03):
Like Brian mentioned, Ohio State, Texas, A and M you
also have Texas, you have Old Miss, you have some
other big ones as well. I'm forgetting off the top
of my head, but there's going to be a lot
of coaches out on the road this week. Heard Brian
Schottenheimer is going to be one of those coaches out
on the road this week, so keep keep an eye
on that as well.
Speaker 5 (05:20):
There's some big ones on the way.
Speaker 7 (05:21):
And the big the thing about with the head coach
being out there too and the fact that he can
shake hands see these kids maybe if he didn't seem
at the combine or things like that, you know, you
bring them in for the visits potentially if you really
really like the kid. But what it also does is
we've seen this in the past. We've seen coaches, especially
the head coach, stand up in the room when the
when they're on the clock, and we've seen Mike McCarthy,
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we've seen Jason Garrett We've seen guys stand up in
that room and they ask for their opinion. And the
more that Brian Schottenheimer knows about these players, and though
he's able to get a feel for about him, maybe
he's the guy that's in there, like, you know, breaking
a tie. You know, if they if you know, they
have a stack. But if it comes down to maybe
a way they want to go into position. Maybe they
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have an offensive tackle and they're thinking about defensive tackle,
but it's close, they can go either way. This is
where your head coach can come in and say, let's
take the offensive tackle here. You know, I have a
feeling I saw the kid, met the kid like the kid.
You know where that's where the coaches position coaches they're
going to kind of they're going to give their two cents.
Speaker 5 (06:24):
That head coach.
Speaker 7 (06:24):
We've seen it before, Mike McCarthy, Jason Garrett, those guys
will break some ties when it comes to players that
might be pretty similar on their boards.
Speaker 4 (06:32):
Yeah, sorry to interject. These are some of the pro
days that are this week. I pull up a list
in front of me, Texas today. That's where our guy
Tommy Yarsh is heading down to Austin right now, to
see that one Boise State tomorrow, LSU tomorrow, Ohio State tomorrow.
You also have Florida on Thursday, Texas A and M
Notre Dame on Thursday, oll Miss on Friday, Penn State
on Friday. So there's gonna be a lot going on
this week and the next week is going to be
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more so the individual pro days for the guys who
were trying to catch up medically. So you're looking at
a Jalen Walker, Michael Williams, Will Johnson, Shador Sanders is
gonna throw next week as well, so the couple couple
more nickuls.
Speaker 7 (07:05):
Here being an update on what Will Johnson's going to do,
because we were hearing there's going to be April fourteenth. Yes,
it was, well you heard more updates on.
Speaker 4 (07:12):
That as of as of what I have in front
of me, still scheduled for April fourteenth. The question now
is if he's going to run or not. Some people
are saying he's going to some people are saying he's not, so.
Speaker 5 (07:21):
He doesn't run.
Speaker 4 (07:21):
I The thing is for me for Will Johnson, what's
the point of having PROE if you're not running? Yeah, seriously,
because that's the only question that that's that's left for
Will Johnson. We you know, you have the film to
back everything else up. Everyone wants to see post injury.
So you know, that's why I show up to Will Johnson.
If if you're not running.
Speaker 9 (07:40):
Well, he's had something, does it?
Speaker 5 (07:41):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (07:42):
Is there something that he could fail to lose or
stand to lose if he does go out there and
run and he doesn't run?
Speaker 6 (07:47):
Well, what I'm saying is why you even have a
pro day?
Speaker 5 (07:49):
Yeah, that's that's what I'm just don't do it?
Speaker 4 (07:51):
Yeah, because then you're saying, hey, I'm healthy, but I'm slow,
you know. So it's like, it's what are we trying
to do?
Speaker 10 (07:56):
Well?
Speaker 2 (07:56):
What if you cancel it at this point you already
had it at April fourteenth, and you say, yeah, you
know what, I'm not gonna I'm not gonna run.
Speaker 5 (08:02):
Does that show confidence in the fact that you are
okay and you are healthy or is it hide the
fact that you're good?
Speaker 2 (08:08):
Either way, I think I feel like you're in a
tough spot one way or the other.
Speaker 4 (08:11):
I mean, we we've talked about Will Johnson this show.
I think Brian, I just I just asked.
Speaker 7 (08:15):
Question because you're on the pro days. I'm not trying
to hammer Will Johnson here. I'm just I'm just saying
if there's anything in the community, I mean, you have
got a great handle on when these pro days are
going off and who's working out and stuff. I was
just asking because, like I say, I wanted to make
sure that if he did work, you know, I had
the time. If he doesn't work, I want to put
him where I'm gonna put him. Yeah, if he if
I don't get a forty time on him, I'm not
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gonna move the kid. I'm not I'm gonna leave him
as my fifth best cornerback on that draft board, you know,
until he shows me that he is able. I wanted
to see again a time because I want to be
able to compare him to the other cornerbacks that are
on that board.
Speaker 5 (08:49):
That's all I'm asking.
Speaker 9 (08:50):
What if he does run, Will, like, how how.
Speaker 7 (08:52):
Much you know what I now I consider? I can
consider with him and Morse, with Morrison from Notre Dame,
who's injured, could consider Okay, where where do I have Okay,
Morrison's hurt is Morson too hurt to where he needs
to be down in the round or is he or
does he need to stay where he is. If if
in fact, this kid Johnson runs runs a time that
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I feel like is good, then now now I have
consideration for him. Right now I have I have an
unknown for him because I'm trying to compare him to
the other guys and I can't compare his speed. I
could compare what I see on tape. I can't compare.
And people will tell me, well, Brian, you got GPS numbers.
No I don't.
Speaker 5 (09:32):
I'm a GPS numbers. I'm not a team. I'm not
a team.
Speaker 10 (09:35):
You know.
Speaker 7 (09:36):
I don't know what Well one time this guy ran
twenty three miles an hour on an interception turn.
Speaker 5 (09:41):
I'm not a team that. I'd love to be able
to get off to top speed. I'd love to be.
Speaker 7 (09:46):
Able to sit there and say, yeah, you know what
he did, he ran twenty three miles an hour against
Purdue in a game.
Speaker 5 (09:51):
I'd love to be able to say that, you know,
but I don't have that.
Speaker 7 (09:54):
What I do have is, though, if I can call
one of my guys and get a time that that
I can do, I could get. I can verify times
I've done it. I've done it all all spring long
so far, with guys that you know. Okay, good, that's
what this guy, that's what McMillan really runs. Okay, great,
what'd you have that?
Speaker 5 (10:10):
Oh? Four or five? Oh what'd you have that? Four?
Five three? Okay? I know he's somewhere probably around a
four five one four five two.
Speaker 6 (10:18):
So I know that you do that with yesterday.
Speaker 2 (10:21):
Yeah again that was a negative.
Speaker 5 (10:28):
But does he does he play for eight three?
Speaker 11 (10:31):
I'm good on that you can have Does he played
for eight three?
Speaker 5 (10:35):
I mean, seriously, you watch him play. The guy is quick.
Speaker 7 (10:38):
I mean you watch, you watch these games, you watch Louisville,
you watch Cal you watch I mean the.
Speaker 5 (10:43):
Guys making plays. Yeah, he's four eight three. I guess
Clickerland fast quicker than four A three and small? Yeah,
not a great combo. Uh, this is gonna be a
star in this league. He'll end up being a damn
good player. Zach.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
When you look at these pro days and the ones
that are coming up, whether they've already passed or wherever
they end up, where would you go if you were
a scout, what would be the best spot for you
to try and figure out the most about this draft class?
Speaker 5 (11:08):
For the first boys, I got to go see these
Texas A and M D Line.
Speaker 9 (11:11):
Tommy Yar, I'm going man because.
Speaker 11 (11:12):
Man im out with Shamar Stewart and we've talked about
it like this dude could be a fifteen SAT guy.
He could end up being in and out of the
league in a flash, right. The defensive tackles they got
there with Turner and then Scorting, you know, I want
to get up close and personal. I want to see
these guys, how they move, what makes them tick a
little bit. I mean, the one thing that we don't
really have is kind of the character stuff on these guys,
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the compete level. You know, I've heard the Big twelve
Pro Days, some players came out didn't want to do
a couple of workouts. Yeah, and there are some things
that where we're at, we're watching the players and that's
all we're really going to assess. But there are some
other things when it comes to off the field character, competitiveness,
when you get into some of these workouts that stand
out to you in a certain way. We got to
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see some of that at the Shrine Ball practice. Like
Kobe Bryant stout in a positive Supposedly he didn't stand
out in a positive at the Pro days here for
Big twelve, so you know some of these things. I
do think you can get an assessment with text A
and M man that stands out in a big way
for me. And then I am interested in Penn State
as well because Kevin Winston Junior is a safety to
me injured.
Speaker 5 (12:17):
I'd like to go see him up close. How's he
doing health wise?
Speaker 11 (12:19):
Because the tape for him is really really good, Like
this safety class in the second round, you can get
some different difference makers.
Speaker 5 (12:26):
And he's a guy. Man.
Speaker 11 (12:28):
I know it's one year of really really good production
with him, but if he's healthy, that's a dude that
I could really fall in love with right there.
Speaker 5 (12:35):
And I'm telling you what.
Speaker 7 (12:35):
I got my ass kicked in the last Sunday, and
because I was in Austin, my LSU baseball.
Speaker 5 (12:40):
Team went down there and got their ass kicked.
Speaker 7 (12:43):
Sir, I'm going back to Austin because I'm gonna you
got Golden Banks, ye Blue?
Speaker 5 (12:50):
Who else we got?
Speaker 7 (12:53):
Yeah, we got soul, we got Barrett Macouba.
Speaker 9 (12:58):
He had a son of dude, Cuba safety woman.
Speaker 7 (12:59):
Yeah, watch watch me go to Austin and trying trying
to figure this thing out that that right that I
just named off a bunch of second round dudes on
my board, So I'm going to go down there and
check that out. I mean, I have Blue in the
third and so well is that you said?
Speaker 5 (13:13):
So well?
Speaker 7 (13:13):
The edge cREL Crell, I have him and the third.
But man, I've got these these uh these, I got
second and third round guys that need to kind of
figure out there. That'd be a great pro day for me.
Speaker 5 (13:26):
Didn't l s you take game one of that? I
did Texas win the second two? Yeah? Wow?
Speaker 9 (13:30):
Good for the longhornset like soccer or something.
Speaker 2 (13:35):
Where would you head you going back to Texas to
you're riding with Tommy Yards shotgun all the way down?
Speaker 9 (13:39):
I would go, Man, but I'll just tell you over
the last couple.
Speaker 5 (13:42):
Of days, got Barren by the way, at that Texas
now said you got it?
Speaker 8 (13:45):
I got it, you know, just going back over my board,
going back over the film, looking in my round two guys. Man,
I want to talk to Will Howard. I want to
talk to Josh Simmons. I want to talk to down
to the Jackson. I want to talk to Quin, Shawn Jenkins.
Speaker 5 (13:58):
Trayvon Howard, Love coming up now, I'm.
Speaker 8 (14:01):
Watching Will Howard right, and I just can't stop watching trevia.
Speaker 3 (14:03):
You know.
Speaker 8 (14:04):
So I just got a lot of questions and I
don't even have questions. I just got regular film due questions, right.
I'm not going to get to the bottom or anything.
Just I just I just want to just watch y'all
run around and have fun. Ohio State got got a
ton of run around.
Speaker 12 (14:15):
And have fun.
Speaker 5 (14:16):
I just hope everyone has a good time.
Speaker 7 (14:19):
Catch If you guys can meet with one guy, if
you can meet with one one player this year, just
go up and you get to go any guy, any guy,
any school, any school, any guy who do you want
to go meet and talk to Deon Walker?
Speaker 5 (14:32):
You get an hour to talk to him.
Speaker 8 (14:34):
I've been I've been wanting to talk to Deon Walker
so bad and it's not going to be a respectful
conversation being him. Well, I mean because I feel like
what I have to talk to him about, I wouldn't
want to tiptoe around what we have to talk about,
you know, and we might end up ration. We might
why you loafing off? Yeh while you why did when
the ball snap? You just stood write up? You ain't
even step like what like, give me the answers to
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some of this stuff. And honestly, I think coach is
gonna ask him that. You know what I'm saying, Hey,
how come sometimes you look like a first round pick,
a bona fide top fifteen guy. But other times you
look like why we mad at Maza? You know, I'm
just so curious to him, and I've just I've said
it here on this show.
Speaker 9 (15:13):
If you draft this guy, it's probably gonna.
Speaker 8 (15:15):
Be the fourth round or something like that, because people
got questions, right if he's the positive side of all that, boy,
would a steal you got? And let's just say, well, Chuck,
we take Derek Harmon in the second round and we
look at our fifth round boy and go, hey, man,
Walker still that and now that's a comboy of dudes
you got for the next five years. You hit on
that dude. Now you could miss on that dude. You
could miss on that dude, And now you run into
(15:37):
a David Irvis situation. He may not get drafted at
all because the questions, you know what I mean, We
may be sitting at this table, maybe not me, but
we sit at this table on day three and y'all
looking at me. In round seven, Vitch. Who's you got, hey,
Deane Walkers just right there. You know what I'm saying.
For whatever reason he may falls, some coaches may just
have him off his board. Brian's been teaching me that
sometimes these guys just not gonna have you on your
board for whatever reason. So if he's there and you hit,
(16:00):
I get a raise. Yeah, I get a raise if
I hit on this guy. And if you miss on him,
I mean, I mean what I mean, what happens? I
just want to talk.
Speaker 2 (16:08):
He's probably one of the three most polarizing names that
the Draft Show has talked about.
Speaker 5 (16:14):
And and and Walter Nolan. Those are the three. Yeah,
I was kind of.
Speaker 7 (16:17):
Shocked those A and M kids have all they started
out being really polarizing on our boards. And yeah, but
Will Johnson's become polarizing.
Speaker 5 (16:25):
Yeah, he's I wanted to talk to.
Speaker 7 (16:26):
I want to talk to Luther Burton, a little wide receiver,
because all of a sudden, I mean, I have him
the first round grade on him, but the whispers are
getting louder and louder and louder.
Speaker 11 (16:35):
Well, his coach, Eli drink Witz put out a pleasant
servist announcement. Eli drink Witz he he went to uh
certainly fought for him on k Adams Show yesterday.
Speaker 5 (16:44):
It was good.
Speaker 7 (16:45):
See so he made him a ringing endorsement. He must
trying to fight for his kids. He must be hearing that.
And I wonder why.
Speaker 4 (16:50):
I wonder why I covered Luther Burton and his recruitment.
Got to know his his high school coach really well,
got to know his recruitment really well. You could nine
times out of ten tell if a kid was going
to be a headache during his recruitment.
Speaker 6 (17:02):
I'd never got that since we Luke that's good.
Speaker 9 (17:04):
Now.
Speaker 4 (17:04):
That was three years ago, so you know, things could
have happened. And he was obviously an in state legend,
went to Missouri and stayed in state and played well.
The guy for me would be James Pearce out of Tennessee.
Speaker 5 (17:13):
That's a good one.
Speaker 4 (17:14):
That would be the one that I'd want to sit
down and talk to and read him a little bit.
I mean, a hell of a player, and I think
if you factored everything off the field away, I think
he would be easily in contention for Edge one. But
he's not in contenent for Edge one for me as
a result, just because of all the whispers and things
going back to high school, as far as you know,
him being a problem in the locker room, him being
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a problem off the field, distraction at times. So I'd
want to sit down with James Pierce and get to
know him a little bit.
Speaker 5 (17:39):
Could he be a guy in slides?
Speaker 9 (17:41):
Potentially?
Speaker 4 (17:42):
Yeah, yeah, potentially, one hundred percent. I mean I think
he's already slid That's what I'm saying, Like, he's got
a situation. Film might not be a first round pick,
but he may slip out of the first round. And yeah,
I think in our mock last week we took him
at nineteen. But I could certainly see him slipping out
of the first round unless the team does meet with
him and is like, you know what, we'll take a
gamble on that will be okay with that and swings
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on it in the first round. That's certainly an interesting
swing to take in the first round. But that would
be one we would talk about on night one and
be like, look, this has great upside, but it could
also be a disaster.
Speaker 5 (18:10):
Is Mike Green this way?
Speaker 4 (18:11):
I don't think so. Not as bad as peers, not
as bad as peers. And there are questions about Mike.
Speaker 11 (18:15):
Green Green Marshall by the way, Yeah, I think he
did a good job to combine. Yeah, and like a
lot of people got their questions answered there, and he
had a great pro day yesterday.
Speaker 6 (18:22):
Yeah, And we talked to Mike Green and Mobile shows.
Speaker 5 (18:25):
It seemed awesome. I love the interview you guys had
with him.
Speaker 6 (18:27):
Now, granted you can't you can't read a person on
a ten minute interview.
Speaker 5 (18:30):
On the cap show, but I think that's all you need.
Speaker 4 (18:32):
And to be to be honest, you can't do it
in a thirty twelve. You can't do it in a
thirty visit, and you can't do it in a formal
meeting either. You know, sometimes guys they put on a
show and then they show up and they're a completely
different person. I feel like it's happened here a couple
of times, and so you would have to you would
have to look at James Pierce, and you would have
to look at James Pierce and do a lot of homework.
But I will say this building arguably does more homework
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on guys than any than any team in the NFL.
I have resources dedicated to figure out out these guys
everything about them.
Speaker 7 (19:02):
Never send au the private investigator follow a player for
a week.
Speaker 5 (19:06):
I've done that.
Speaker 7 (19:07):
Have they ever sent a private investigator to follow a
player for.
Speaker 4 (19:10):
I'll say this there there were a lot of people
in Left Texas right before does Bryant got Guy?
Speaker 5 (19:14):
I agree that Larry Wantsley's really good at his job.
I did, I had. I had Trade Thomas followed for
a week at Florida State. That's funny.
Speaker 11 (19:22):
The Justin Blackman stories I've heard those are pretty legendary
and still good stuff.
Speaker 2 (19:26):
Good stuff always fun here in the backside of of
really what this all happened?
Speaker 5 (19:32):
To spend millions of dollars in these players, as we'll
get to know them a little bit, to find out
where they're headed and what they're doing where they're going.
Speaker 8 (19:38):
Honestly, man, as long as you're not like Robin Banks
and hitting people and you know, you know you got
weaponry on you all the time, so you.
Speaker 5 (19:45):
Got to make sure that none of that's the case.
Like you do a show with me and you'd always
pull out weaponry on me. What are you talking about there?
Speaker 8 (19:50):
I am a civilian, sir, and I am a license Look, man,
a long as you ain't look just a little bit
of dee and never heard nobody, man. And honestly, it's
it's it's like wide receivers are that like running backs?
Speaker 9 (20:02):
You know?
Speaker 8 (20:02):
These these guys are they you know linemen are the
the humblers smarter? You know, we chill, we kicking it.
Those guys could be dva sometimes.
Speaker 9 (20:10):
Man.
Speaker 8 (20:10):
So if if the player matches up, and I would
love to know, Brian, what's your good?
Speaker 5 (20:14):
Oh whing me into this because.
Speaker 8 (20:16):
You've done this before. I'm just Seville and I just
I work on what he got. You have won a
Super Bowl? What's the the ratio of good player versus headache?
Speaker 9 (20:26):
Do you guys?
Speaker 5 (20:27):
You know?
Speaker 3 (20:28):
Oh?
Speaker 5 (20:28):
Yeah, you know you'll you'll you'll you'll put up it
a lot. Yeah yeah, you'll put up it a lot.
You really will.
Speaker 7 (20:33):
I mean you you know, uh, I'll never forget real quick.
Derek Alexander wide receiver, Michigan and he was this is
w It's a ninety in the Drift ninety five draft.
I want to say John Gruden was the receivers coach
of the Packers, and the Scouts kept talking about Derek
Alexander drinking problem, drinking problem, drinking problem, drinking problem, and
they went around the room to the coaches, and they
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asked him to say, John, what.
Speaker 5 (20:56):
Player do you really like?
Speaker 7 (20:57):
He goes, I love that Derek Alexander kid. But every
one of these guys.
Speaker 5 (21:00):
Says he has a drinking problem. He did that exact voice. Okay,
just lick him because yeah, everyone of you he's getting it.
Speaker 7 (21:09):
Drinking problem. This is a damn good football but you know,
and and went into it. So, yeah, you have your
discussions about that about players and stuff like that. It's
actually it's a pretty eye opening, uh to to to
to go through and to hear about a player's background
and then meet with the player and then kind of
learn a little bit more about it.
Speaker 8 (21:27):
Yeah, Model Pregame, l Come On Home and Luther Bird.
Speaker 4 (21:32):
The thing to think about quote unquote character concerns is
I think there's a lot that falls under that umbrella. Yeah,
I think, especially when we talk about it on the show.
I mean, it could be something as far as it
could be anything from legal, It could be anything from
he doesn't apply a lot of effort on the field.
You know, there's various things. For me personally, I would
deal with a lot. There was only one guy I
can think of last year that I would think, Yeah,
I wouldn't draft him because of what I know off
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the field, and that was a h Leonard Floyd from
or excuse me, Leonard Taylor from Floyd was a pretty
good well Leonard Taylor. Leonard Taylor. Yeah, he ended up
going on drafted. And so that was the only one
last year that I had major concerns about. The only
one I have major concerns about this year is James Spears.
So other than that, like give me, give me the
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headache of the Jalen rights, where like apparently he doesn't
apply himself in practice from last year.
Speaker 6 (22:19):
Give me that, I'll I'll figure that out.
Speaker 5 (22:21):
Now. Putting you on the spot, would you take James
Pierce off your board?
Speaker 4 (22:24):
See, that's why I would want to talk based off
of what I based off of what you know right now.
I mean I have seven edges above him because of
that issue. And it gets to a point where like, okay,
if he's on the board, I'm going to take him here. Okay,
more like somehow he slipped to say three No, no, no,
it's more more so if he slipped, like.
Speaker 7 (22:48):
Question not what he's done, but is it is it
really terminal? What your I mean what you know about
this Uh? Is it the point where like we're like,
if you have a second round grade on him and
he's your stack like it player player forty three, is
that is that a bad, bad risk?
Speaker 4 (23:08):
Yeah, if he's the best player on your board at
forty four, I mean, he's a talent you would have
to take. And I wouldn't argue in the room, but
I'd be like, hey, I just want you to know
that if you're expecting this guy to be here long term,
you need to plan for the fact that he might
not be.
Speaker 6 (23:20):
So you need to get an edge. You need to
get an edge to back him up.
Speaker 9 (23:23):
That's that's what.
Speaker 7 (23:24):
So Okay, so when he when he all of a sudden,
we're like and and Kyle goes, well, who's the best
player on your board, It'll be it's Piers.
Speaker 5 (23:31):
Yeah, it's Piers. It's Piers. So we'll know why then, right, Yes, Yeah.
Speaker 6 (23:38):
And I would say he's got me ques.
Speaker 4 (23:41):
I would say the question we had about Michael Parsons
going into that draft class, Yeah, along those same lines,
but I think a little bit more to a severe degree.
Speaker 5 (23:49):
Oh wow, Okay, yeah, here we go. Good to know.
Speaker 11 (23:51):
Yeah, all right, I'd let somebody else, Yeah, let somebody
else be a hero.
Speaker 5 (23:56):
Yeah, there's a lot of good edges.
Speaker 12 (23:58):
Good.
Speaker 5 (23:59):
I'd rather gamble so somewhere else.
Speaker 2 (24:00):
Yeah, And that's going to be the question for the
Cowboys that pick number forty four or seventy six or
whatever it ends up being good.
Speaker 5 (24:06):
Yeah, not at all all. Right.
Speaker 2 (24:08):
When we come back here on the Draft shows, time
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questions from the fans out there about this NFL Draft.
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Speaker 7 (26:38):
About that's spent part of my life doing this saday time.
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How do we get one of these? So still starting
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Speaker 9 (27:29):
So you're saying, I just can't walk out of the door,
it is right now, I gotta.
Speaker 5 (27:32):
I'll give you one.
Speaker 7 (27:33):
My man, Talik Williams is compared to Mozzie Smith. What
the hell is?
Speaker 5 (27:36):
What it is? What are we doing here?
Speaker 9 (27:38):
I ain't taking his home.
Speaker 5 (27:39):
No, I blame Todd that article.
Speaker 9 (27:41):
Yeah, that's all.
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Speaker 5 (28:07):
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Speaker 8 (28:11):
Twitter on the twenty cour No, no, but you're on
the show.
Speaker 9 (28:15):
I was looking at Chat. I was looking at it.
Speaker 8 (28:18):
I was looking at Chat watch up and you know,
we was talking about the off the field stuff. What
are we going to do about Lacey A movie.
Speaker 7 (28:26):
I talked to my gang of seven guys that nobody's
got him on their board.
Speaker 4 (28:29):
He's going to be It sounds like he's going to
be in a tough situation.
Speaker 6 (28:33):
Yeah, I don't know. I don't let the legal process
play out.
Speaker 11 (28:35):
But they're such a shame because he I mean, he
could have been right in line with the next LSU
stud receivers.
Speaker 5 (28:41):
He really could.
Speaker 7 (28:42):
But the gang of seven guys all said that nobody's
got him on their board.
Speaker 4 (28:46):
Basically, for those that don't know, he was involved in
a situation, uh right after the season ended. He was
speeding on a two lane road, was trying to pass
a car or like around on the left side. There
was a car coming head on. He swerved the car
that was coming head on. It hit the guy that
was behind him and killed the guy behind him, And
so and then Kyraen Lacey left the scene, so he
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was arrested a few weeks later. Actually, it took him
a couple of weeks to identify and then find Kyraen Lacey.
But yeah, he's he's in a heap of trouble.
Speaker 9 (29:16):
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get this money man.
Speaker 7 (29:19):
This see if this word can get to Athens because
they seem to run a Nascar.
Speaker 5 (29:24):
Yeah, those streets are not safe at the moment.
Speaker 8 (29:27):
My bad go ahead. Just had to ye, mem ten
and Chat asked about the appreciate.
Speaker 5 (29:32):
You, thanking man, appreciate you all right.
Speaker 2 (29:35):
This one is, of course, surrounding the recent news after
our last show on Tuesday that Cooper Rush is no
longer the quarterback backup quarterback.
Speaker 5 (29:45):
Here in Dallas.
Speaker 2 (29:46):
Joe wants to know what's the earliest you would take
a quarterback in this draft class?
Speaker 5 (29:50):
How early would you be willing to do so?
Speaker 6 (29:52):
To back up that pren can I throw a cave
out before we start talking?
Speaker 4 (29:55):
Yeah, let's say you acquire another third pick, a third
round pick.
Speaker 5 (29:59):
Oh yeah, watching watch about to do here? Go ahead, please, I.
Speaker 4 (30:06):
Just wanted to throw that caveato. I just want to
see you acquire another third. You acquired another third. I'm phony,
so I'm taking that third, and I'm drafting. Somebody's gonna help.
Speaker 5 (30:15):
Me right now.
Speaker 9 (30:17):
It's tough.
Speaker 8 (30:17):
I respect that Will Howard can play. Will Howard can play. Yeah, Man,
Sometimes in the magazine, I ain't reading this because y'all
just said, man, look sometimes sometimes sometimes when you watch
them quarterbacks in passing, just in the regular season, you
kind of put him in an archetype a little bit, right, Oh,
Will how was gonna be one of them cast that
(30:37):
just throw, you know, Joe keep it on the data die.
But man, I started watching it and I watched playoffs
Oregon twice, Michigan, right, yeah, Oh my goodness, Oh he can.
I watched five six games, all right, all right, because
he was better than that fought and I'm like, man,
(30:57):
he's not just checking down like he's pushing the ball
down the field. And this is after me watching Ward
and Sanders and Milrow. I'm like, y'all got the easy
little offense going on over here. Will Howard doing stuff
down the field a little bit. Now, he doesn't have
the arm that Ward has, But I'm just watching him
and he's dealing it out and he's making his reason.
He's showing toughness and I didn't know he was two
(31:18):
thirty for real. He's running people over with you know
what I'm saying with his designed runs, and I'm like, damn,
Will Howard, you get down better than I thought it was.
And me and Brian had this conversation. I know it
sounds a little weird to say, well, would you take
him in the first round? I like Will Howard more
than I like bow Knicks Last year JJ McCarthy last year,
I like Howard's film more than them, and those guys
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ended up being first round guys in a much better draft.
So in this worst draft, and look, the league don't
have to listen to me. I'm just a dude with
a camera, microphone. I don't even work here. I'm looking
at this guy I wouldn't do in the first round.
But if he's better than bow Knicks, why the hell not?
I like this kid. This kid got some good ass film.
Like I said, he got some good film, and he's
done it first the best competition in the world. To
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be fair with him, boy, he got a bunch of
wire receivers on a bunch offensive linemen and all running
backs that made real health. Right, But how I see
that is when he gets to the league, get him
some damn running backs, wire receivers, an offensive line, and
see if you can remake that.
Speaker 5 (32:14):
Yeah, if only it were that easy, right? How much?
How much was he helped by Chip Kelly coordinator?
Speaker 11 (32:19):
How much was he helped by arguably the best receiver
in college football? And Jeremiah Smith another first round pick
in Igbuca. Two running backs they're gonna go on Day
one and two. There was a lot of talent war
around Will Howard, so.
Speaker 5 (32:30):
He didn't f it up.
Speaker 11 (32:32):
Well, I mean there were times to Michigan's the only
time he fed it up.
Speaker 5 (32:36):
Yeah, yeah, I mean the Michigan game is rough. He
threw it. He had a pick in his own.
Speaker 9 (32:40):
That's a rivalry game. They don't count any time.
Speaker 5 (32:42):
Right, but he.
Speaker 7 (32:44):
Had a tremendous But I want to play the Philadelphia Eagles,
so it definitely.
Speaker 8 (32:47):
I was just gonna say that, do what the Eagles
doing with Hurts, make it relatively simple, get all the
help in the world you can get, and it's gonna
take a hell of a GM to do.
Speaker 5 (32:56):
So what round would you take? Well, Howard.
Speaker 9 (32:58):
Then I got him in the thing, but quarterback tex second.
Speaker 5 (33:03):
Second and hey, I can see that.
Speaker 8 (33:05):
But he better than bone Nicks and me, so take him,
take him at third. I was wrong on Bo, Nicks
went great, You went wrong. Shan Sean Payne's fantastic.
Speaker 11 (33:15):
Bonnicks fan is now Nick and I were riding the
Bnicks hate train.
Speaker 5 (33:20):
I was sorry, Bo, that seemed like a sweetheart might
have been driving the train.
Speaker 9 (33:24):
Yeah, it was.
Speaker 4 (33:25):
Hey, look I and I gave Bonicks credit on like
the second show of the of the season. The show
was like, look, he proved me wrong. You know what's
funny about Will Howard. When I was watching this film,
you talked about the design runs, you talked about kind
of getting out of the pocket a little bit. He
reminds me of what Dak was when he was coming
on a Missippi Stid. It's very similar. You look at the
size at two thirty five. He's a little bit taller
than Dak is, obviously, but he could push the ball downfield.
He can get out and run, especially if you look
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back at his Kansas State tape. They did a lot
more with him on design runs.
Speaker 5 (33:48):
He ran a lot of k State.
Speaker 4 (33:50):
Yeah, and they had they had a couple of speed
weapons to his to his usage as well. That was
really able to help that backfield. There were times in
Kansas State where like his decisive dislicked a little bit.
But I think that chip Kell system and learning under
Tip Kelly really benefited him last year.
Speaker 5 (34:03):
You're all got out a lot faster.
Speaker 4 (34:04):
You're gonna see that translates to the NFL for sure.
Did you like him more than Kyle McCord.
Speaker 9 (34:09):
I haven't watched him.
Speaker 8 (34:09):
Yeah, Me and Brian wading all the way to the
last minute to watch all those guys this week. So
our first four guys was Ward, Sanders, Milroe, and Howard,
and man, I was just man it shout out the
beam in them.
Speaker 5 (34:21):
He's got Will Howard Kansas State film up currently.
Speaker 8 (34:24):
But we haven't gotten there. So by the end of
the week. You're gonna ask me Monday. But I was
just blown away because I wasn't ready to be a
Will Howard fan. I was ready to just on Will Howard.
Speaker 9 (34:34):
Boy.
Speaker 8 (34:34):
He's a dude, and I would consider him if the
you know, if the you know situation.
Speaker 7 (34:38):
When you said the extra third round pick, you know,
I mean that makes a lot of sense to this guy.
Speaker 5 (34:42):
If you if you.
Speaker 7 (34:43):
Really want to get a legitimate backup guy, now you
lose the fifth year option on him, right you know,
you got him for four years, but it kind of
coincides with what your quarterback is doing right now, you know,
and you can kind of keep that in place, and
if Will Howard all sudden turns into something after four years,
you could go ahead and sign him, you know, knowing
that maybe you're gonna do something with your guy. I
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agree with the ash I I I went into thinking
that Will Howard. I was thinking Will Howard Kansas State,
kind of a Blacksmith quarterback, just kind of good work ethic,
nothing really spectacular. You watch this, you watch the Michigan
game was and by the way, there's two there's two
guys that I've seen so far, Milroe and Will Howard
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that had trouble with Michigan. That's a pro defensive coordinator.
Speaker 5 (35:30):
There at Mirandalee Wink Martindale.
Speaker 7 (35:33):
Yeah, you go back and watch Milroe play against Michigan
in that in that Bowl game, Wink Martindale did some
things to him. And then and then you look at
Will Howard, you know, did some things to him. So
you know, but I I was expecting kind of. But
you watch all the playoff games, you watch some of
the early season stuff with Will Howard, man was dealing.
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I mean he he Yeah, He's got great weapons, the receivers,
the running game, the line and all that. Man, you
gotta go out there, take the snap and deliver and execute.
Guy does a great job of executing. So a third
round pick, I wouldn't be surprised to some of these
other quarterbacks, him, Jackson Dart, those guys probably go to
a lot higher than what we what we thought initially.
Speaker 11 (36:13):
I wouldn't go QB till fifth round. Personally, the Cowboys
need to be getting starters here on days one and two.
And to me, you just your quarterback.
Speaker 5 (36:23):
Is he is what he is, He's here. Now you've
got your guy.
Speaker 11 (36:28):
So if they fall in love with one of these guys,
let's say, hey, I do love Will Howard.
Speaker 5 (36:31):
I love a Comic Cord.
Speaker 11 (36:31):
I'm glad you brought up Comic Cord because that's the
guy for me that I loved what he did battling adversity.
He was the scapegoat at Ohio State. We couldn't beat Michigan,
and it was your fault. Well, they still couldn't beat
Michigan this year. And what did he do? He went
to Syracuse, won nine games, helped that program really turn
themselves around.
Speaker 2 (36:47):
I have one of the greatest statistical seasons in college
football history, and.
Speaker 11 (36:51):
That dude can make every throw and he's got some touch,
I like the deep ball accuracy, maybe the arm. I mean,
nobody's got a stronger arm than Jalen Milrow. Like Milroe
could be the most boomer Bus quarterback in this draft.
Speaker 7 (37:02):
Watching watch him against Georgia and then watch him against
Michigan and the first half specifically against Georgia was absolutely dominant.
Speaker 11 (37:09):
I mean he's got like Malachi Starts, oh yes, and
what he can do in the running game, like that's
going to translate. You could use him specially in certain packages,
but as a thrower if he could figure out how
to get his accuracy improved, much like we saw Josh
Allen do look out like Jalen Milroe's got m VP
like talent.
Speaker 5 (37:26):
Jalen Milroe isn't throwing to cattle ranchers, No, you know
what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (37:29):
So, I mean that's he is throwing to what seventeen
year old Ryan Williams.
Speaker 5 (37:34):
He is.
Speaker 6 (37:36):
Other than Ryan Williams. They kind of got some cattle
ranchers ever seen.
Speaker 5 (37:40):
But I like McCord. I mean mcort is definitely wanted
to take the third.
Speaker 6 (37:43):
McCord yes for me.
Speaker 5 (37:45):
Yeah, I got McCord in the third. So where would
you take him, Zach? I mean, where would you take
him for the Cowboys?
Speaker 11 (37:50):
Well, I'm not taking a guy for the fifth, so
he's probably not gonna be in play for the Cowboy.
Speaker 5 (37:53):
I'm looking at Quinnario.
Speaker 11 (37:54):
I'm looking at queer viewers a round five for the Cowboys,
the fifth Cowboys.
Speaker 5 (37:59):
Yeah, I do. I'm not high on Quinn to some other.
Speaker 2 (38:01):
Same kind of thing though, if you're going to spend
one of your first three round picks, if you're trying
to get a bona fide backup, like Brian was talking about,
you're going to have to do so earlier than the
fifth round. If you're getting a guy that's going to,
no doubt be your backup, be your QB two, you're
going to have to do it in the first, second,
third round, maybe the fourth round.
Speaker 5 (38:18):
But you got to get back up there in order
to do it.
Speaker 7 (38:20):
Well, they showed you they're willing to go picking up
or to give at a quarter get.
Speaker 2 (38:23):
A backup, so you can maybe package some of those picks,
get back up, get a third, or get a fourth.
If you're able to do that, I'm in on taking
a quarterback in those picks.
Speaker 5 (38:32):
But if you're not going to do that, I'm with Zach.
I'm going fifth starters up front.
Speaker 4 (38:38):
But the thing I want to first propose if I
could watch, please, Zach, you have brought it up as like, hey,
in the first two days, I want to get starters.
Speaker 6 (38:44):
You guys that can start. Sure, you have a quarterback
that has missed a significant amount of time as you're
doing four or five seasons.
Speaker 4 (38:51):
I mean, if you're in a situation where this team
is ten and three, right and Dak goes down with
a season ending injury, you need to have anybody you
have a fifth round rookie, you're going to be You're
gonna be.
Speaker 11 (39:00):
Up a pool shory that twenty first pick. Yeah, you
would be, or you could be three and five. Dak
goes down and then you've got a quarterback that overperforms,
and now you're sitting where I'd love to be getting
an Abdul Carter. But now we're talking about the options
at twelve, right, I'd rather just go ahead and be
in full tank mode and I'm talking about the arch
mannings or who are the best quarterbacks on the board
than what we're doing here arguing about Will Howard and
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the third. Personally, I'd rather just stink. If I'm gonna stink,
I'd rather just stink.
Speaker 4 (39:25):
So you're trying to hold out for one year, Yeah,
and hope that Dak can get seventeen ycause.
Speaker 11 (39:29):
The likelihood of one of these and look, hey, Dak's
proven it's possible, it's possible. But the likelihood of these
rookie quarterbacks sliding in there and you're feeling good about
a ten and three team, I mean, it could end
up being deer in the headlights.
Speaker 5 (39:41):
This thing doesn't go well anyway.
Speaker 11 (39:43):
So hey, they've done more homework on these quarterbacks and
no kind of the makeup of them. And look, assessing
these guys is very very hard. Specifically in that position.
They'd know if they have a guy like that with Dak.
But then again, i mean, how many other quarterbacks were
talked about prior to Dak in that and it kind
of worked out fell into your lap. Yeah, maybe that happens,
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but I'm not really looking to attack that until day three. Personally,
I don't think this team's giving them the luxury to
be able to do that any earlier.
Speaker 5 (40:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (40:10):
Kind of along the same lines, but in a completely
different position group.
Speaker 5 (40:15):
Matthew wants to ask.
Speaker 2 (40:16):
At pick seventy six, Let's say you addressed wide receiver
in round one and defensive line in round two, what
is the next position of need that you have to
fill in that third round pick. If you don't get
another pick to try and help you on day two,
all it once ready?
Speaker 6 (40:30):
Corner?
Speaker 8 (40:31):
Yeah, Like that's the problem. Like you would love to
have corner. You would love to have a one take
in there. You would like to think about Guardess, you
just got too many holes, which is why quarterback really
won't work out for you. Like, you just got so
many needs and you don't have the premium picks to
fully address that. And that's why we were hoping free agency.
Let's get a little busy with free agency because we
ain't got the picks to fill all this up. I
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think they're going to walk into the draft and try
to fill all this up with those with those picks
and it's not gonna work out.
Speaker 5 (40:58):
Where would you go? Who'd you pick a question? Yeah,
the corner would be. But who did you pick in
the first who.
Speaker 2 (41:04):
Did the wide receiver and defensive line and guy running back? Yeah,
so running back would be one.
Speaker 7 (41:11):
To this point, all we've done is talk about how
much better we're going to run the ball. I don't
know if you've necessarily other than hiring coaches have kind
of gone done, gone that way. So to me, yeah,
I have I have a stack of running backs in
the third round that i'd absolutely love. I have some
guys in the fifth round i'd absolutely love.
Speaker 8 (41:26):
To take care he you love your fourth fifth round guys.
Speaker 7 (41:30):
I don't think it's a bad list. I think from
top to bottom it's a it's a damn good group.
But I've got some guys in the third round that
are like, just keep handing them the ball and you're
gonna have some success. If you pair one of these
guys with say Williams, you know, is his ability to
catch and block, you can do all right? I would
address it cornerback or running back in the third round
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for me, Yeah.
Speaker 5 (41:54):
Neither one of those. You'll you'll get a guy whoever's
higher on your board.
Speaker 7 (41:57):
I might even get my nickel there. I might even
get my my nickel corn Parish.
Speaker 11 (42:01):
That would be a good one, Zach, you have any preference, yeah,
corner and running back I think would definitely be the
route that you need to go in that scenario, I
would go running back.
Speaker 5 (42:07):
I don't want to leave day three without a runner personally.
Speaker 2 (42:09):
Okay, Brandon wants to know if you're looking to trade
back in the first round. What's the furthest you're willing
to trade back? How far are you willing to pull
the parachute and get out if you are going to
trade back and pick up some selections.
Speaker 9 (42:21):
I hate trade bad question. That's how the brand. I
hate you. Of course we want more picks.
Speaker 8 (42:25):
Of course we would love to have far we go
all the way back to get a two and of three,
of course we would, man, But sure, Brandon, I would
go all the way back to thirty two and get
two seconds in the third if if they'll let me.
Speaker 9 (42:38):
But mostly it.
Speaker 8 (42:39):
Depends on who's on the board right So I'm not
moving on from McMillan, Jay, Tanko and Ted shouldn't be
there neither. But like if it's like Jala Walk on
the board, Mikeel on the board. It's all Mike Green
on the boat. I like Mike Green one of the
corners up there. Sure if the player, if your best
player on the board is close to your twenty fifth player,
I'll go to twenty five. If he's close to your
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thy second player, I'll go back to thirty two. Just
give me all the picks and I'll just go crazy
on day on day two and we'll just run like that.
Speaker 5 (43:06):
Jeff and I yesterday Kavanaugh.
Speaker 7 (43:07):
I went all the way back to green Bay at
twenty three is how far we went. And we traded twice, Jeff.
You know, Jeff loves to trade, so we traded twice.
We went, well, they'll give you some offers Seattle eighteen
and then green Bay at twenty three.
Speaker 5 (43:21):
Just kept moving back.
Speaker 11 (43:22):
So I don't think, yeah, I mean twenty five with Houston. Yeah,
maybe that's kind of a range. Like I'd like to
stay in the top twenty five if I could, But
I get it really just depends on like how is
the draft falling, So it might have to be in
the minute, like what are the players still there? But
if I go to twenty five, I still end up
with a d tackle that I like maybe, or a
corner that you like that you got some risk on,
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like ooh and one of these guys slide to me, Yeah,
that might be fun.
Speaker 8 (43:46):
Something I want people to think about is what are
these teams trading up for?
Speaker 11 (43:50):
That's what I don't think you're gonna have a ton
of options to try.
Speaker 5 (43:54):
That's what I always say.
Speaker 7 (43:54):
I always say, listen, it's easy to drop out of there. Yeah,
and if you want to just get screwed on your
on your compensation, sure bail on out of there and
you could be happy that.
Speaker 5 (44:04):
Well I didn't.
Speaker 7 (44:05):
I should have got a three and only I got
I mean I should have got two and only got
a three because I bailed eighteen spots.
Speaker 5 (44:11):
Think about that, What are they paying for?
Speaker 7 (44:13):
Ye If you're if you're, if you're, if you're one
of those guys and gals that wants to just trade
to trade, fine, somebody will do it.
Speaker 5 (44:20):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (44:20):
Oh by the way, hey, if you want to drop
ten spots, we'll give you a five.
Speaker 5 (44:24):
Okay, okay, wa fourth back. Let's go let me ask
you a question here real quick. We got the twelfth pick
for the Dallas cowboys. When do you feel it? What pick?
Do you feel you're gonna lose your last first round
guy on your board? Probably maybe fifteen? Yeah, right around there.
Speaker 7 (44:43):
Okay, So if we're going to bail on out of there,
we're not going to pick a first round guy on
our board.
Speaker 5 (44:47):
Yeah, you're gonna pick a you're going and that's fine.
Speaker 7 (44:50):
If you if you if you're in love with your
second round guys, you know, if you if you're if
you're totally okay with that.
Speaker 5 (44:56):
You know.
Speaker 7 (44:57):
The whole idea is to try and kind of take
the best players. This is the goes along. So if
you've got fifteen guys on your board, you kind of
want to try and pick.
Speaker 5 (45:05):
In that group if you can.
Speaker 7 (45:06):
Yeah, And some of the guys, if you guys are
telling me that by the time I get to Seattle
at eighteen, that on my board's wiped out.
Speaker 8 (45:13):
Honestly, Brian, in real life, that may be like twelve
or thirteen for you, because some of our first round
guys are hurt.
Speaker 5 (45:18):
Guys, character guys exactly.
Speaker 8 (45:20):
So we may only have thirteen true first round guys.
Speaker 5 (45:24):
In revealed those kind of guys. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (45:26):
Sure, So if we're looking at eighteen, just based off
of ar Mock the other day, the Cowboys would have
had Booker there, James Pierce, Luthor Burden, Jackson Dart, Will Campbell,
Derek Harmon.
Speaker 5 (45:36):
But if you go back to twenty next, yeared me
the hell off of Pierce for sure.
Speaker 8 (45:39):
Piers, Yeah, oh, what's up about when you talk about
I shouldn't asked about when you talk about boy?
Speaker 2 (45:45):
And going back to twenty five, that list gets a
little bit smaller. It's guys like Golden and Revel and
Malachi Starks as a roku from Boston College, Lamar Stewart
still have some names. Yeah, but their early second round.
Speaker 8 (45:59):
Name they are just like the dudes that are going
to go thirty two and maybe forty or something.
Speaker 7 (46:03):
We Zach Raby plus did are asked to try and
come up with fifteen names in the first round.
Speaker 5 (46:07):
Yeah, and we want to go away from.
Speaker 2 (46:09):
That, sure, Okay, Yeah, Dallas Day is coming up in
a couple of a couple of days. And I know, Nick,
you've been all over the Dallas Day list. Who are
some of the guys that are most likely to get drafted?
This comes from Kevin.
Speaker 4 (46:23):
Okay, forty fifty, so I'm sorry, I'm counting nineteen guys
that I have draftable grades on nice that are eligible
for Dallas Day.
Speaker 6 (46:30):
I'll run through them really quick. Day one.
Speaker 4 (46:31):
These are just guys that are eligible, Like Shador Sanders
is eligible, He's not coming here. Shador Sanders, Ashton Jenz
Ashton Gentz will be here, Quinn Yours will be here,
Ollie Gordon the second from Oklahoma State will be here,
Damian Martinez from Miami will be here. Elijah Royo, Cameron Williams,
Caleb Rodgers from Texas Tech from our turner. Day three
guys Jake Major's out of Texas, Jabar Mohammed out of Oregon,
Billy Bowman junior out of Oklahoma, Chase Lunt out of Connecticut,
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jack Quayna Jackson out of Arkansas, Theo Weese out of Missouri,
Jalen Kimber out of Penn State, r J. Mickens out
of Clemson, Craig Woodson out of California who will be here,
and Seth Hennigan out of Memphis.
Speaker 6 (47:06):
And then there's a.
Speaker 4 (47:06):
Handful of other undrafted guys that I think are fun personally,
but uh, those are those are the draftable guys that
are eligible.
Speaker 5 (47:15):
Great right there.
Speaker 8 (47:17):
Huh uh Lunt from from a Yukon. I love, I
love Chase left from the right tackle ste I think
that was that was who you see. Look, this is
the problem. Terry Steele played at Texas Tech. When he
threw the ball fifty times, you wouldn't assume that they
would get a run blocker out of their scheme. Yeah,
but Chase Lunt, they run the ball over there, and
they run outside a penn and pull over there. He
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does it well and he tries to finish people.
Speaker 6 (47:41):
Arlington Martin Grad.
Speaker 11 (47:42):
So there's a couple of quarterbacks though, set Hennigan, youewers,
those might be options.
Speaker 7 (47:47):
For you guys. You didn't put Memphis quarterback seth hundred Memphis.
Speaker 9 (47:52):
I'm okay, I'm gonna stop at two hundred players.
Speaker 5 (47:56):
Leave it that. Don't hate on Seth Hennigan to get after.
Speaker 9 (48:02):
Jeff. I don't hand on Chase Chase.
Speaker 5 (48:07):
I don't know, leap in disrespectful.
Speaker 9 (48:08):
It's I know, it is terrible.
Speaker 5 (48:11):
His dad's a legend in the area. By the way,
Dave Hennigan.
Speaker 2 (48:14):
It's what do you do? He was a head coach
and a state champion at Dent't Ryan High.
Speaker 5 (48:17):
School. Some of your favorite draft prospects went to.
Speaker 9 (48:19):
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Speaker 5 (48:22):
You're the worst, all right.
Speaker 2 (48:24):
When we come back, I want to look ahead at
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Draft Show with a little tell me More. I want
to know a little bit more about some players we
haven't mentioned much here on the Draft Show, one of
which Jabbar Mohammed Corner from Oregon.
Speaker 5 (51:23):
Of course, we've.
Speaker 2 (51:23):
Heard a lot of the assistant coaches making the trip
out there to Oregon. Could Muhammad be a later draft
pick that we could maybe see wearing a star on
the side of his helm?
Speaker 5 (51:33):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (51:33):
Jabbar Mohammad de Soto Grad. We're gonna be talking about
his brother here in a couple of years, Malik Muhammad
out of Texas. He's also got a ton of family
members in the NFL. That family is kind of the
first family of football in South Dallas. If you are
a football fan in Dallas, you know about the Mohammad family.
But Jabar Mohammad is the next one up. He's probably
the smallest of the crew the Mohamed family, but has
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a wealth of experience. You go back to Washington where
he made college Football Playoff National championship a year ago.
Was a star corner on that team. Then when that
coaching staff got blown up for when Kaitlyn to Bor
left for Alabama, he left for Oregon and went to
the other side of the of the rivalry and played
well for the Ducks last year.
Speaker 5 (52:15):
The thing for me with Jabbar start off at Oklahoma State.
Speaker 4 (52:18):
He started off at and a lot of Mohammeds have
started at Oklahoma State and end up finishing somewhere else.
I wonder when they're gonna learn. I think I think
with with Jabbar, though great hands and I love his
hand fighting, I do I think there's a lot you're
gonna have to work on with his footwork and the explosion.
The testing did not come back great from the combine.
I mean, you're looking at a guy who you would
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probably have to play in the slot with a vertical
of twenty nine and a half and didn't do broad
didn't do forty. I mean, so he's I think he's
trying to hide some of that athleticism that he lacks
for the next level. This is gonna be a guy
that I think on day three we're gonna talk about
maybe in the sixth or seventh round. And look, he's
a great player, great hands. Like I said, if if
if we're talking short route concepts, I think this guy
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be really good playing in like a zone type scheme.
But if you're asking this guy to carry a guy
on the outside stride for stride down the field and
you know, potentially have to work with a guy that
hasn't developed a route tree, I think you're asking him
to do it maybe a little bit too much, But
I think this is a guy that for another team
would be a draftable player. For this team, this isn't
the type of corner that they like.
Speaker 11 (53:19):
He's gonna be too small, and I think I have
a problem. I like these small corners. I knew he
had a game winning pass breakup against Ohio State. It
ended up getting overturned because they had an illegal the
too many people. But this dude I love, and he's
a friend of our show. We actually had him on
a couple of weeks ago. High Character Dude, High Football IQ.
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He is giving up a lot on the outside, but
he's competitive as all hell, and there are times you're
gonna see him get a little bit body better. Route
runners are gonna beat him down the field, but when
he can get a jam, play physical. He plays bigger
than what his size indicates. And I do like him
kicking inside, playing nickel corner. I think the footwork would
be better off inside in tight areas because I think
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he's quick. But to me, the pass breakups like his
ability to get his hands in there between the receiver.
Speaker 5 (54:07):
And the football swipes.
Speaker 11 (54:09):
Dude had twelve pass breakups last year. Forty career pass
breakups played against really good competition. You watched him at
Washington against Xavier Worthy. Now that's a good matchup for
him because against smaller receivers, we got this roll in
right now, he really took Exavier Worthy out of that
game at some points. And he's a guy that welcomes
going up against the best receivers on the team. Him
against Jeremiah Smith was really fun tape. Jabar Mohammed's guy
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would bet on on day three. I know he's not
gonna be the measurable guy, not at all, but the
heart and I love the makeup ability with what he
plays with the physicality, just a pest man. He's got
a little bit of that dog in him, and you
need that in a corner.
Speaker 8 (54:44):
Maybe a little safety, you know, maybe, yeah, tackler, I
could see that he you know rees well, you know,
I think personally, you know, you wouldn't like him versus big,
tall characters all the time, right, but watching them versus Boise,
like they noticed that, right, So they put all these
characters over there on him, and he's just fighting with
these guys, just batting the passes, crosses over the middle
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of the field.
Speaker 9 (55:05):
Good lucky you slants, good luxy.
Speaker 11 (55:07):
He's he'll lose come back and he's like, all right,
you got me once, I'm gonna get you this time.
Speaker 8 (55:10):
But that five jump out the film, don't it. Yeah,
that's that's on him, man, good lady.
Speaker 7 (55:15):
The only thing I have to say, I think everybody's
got him right. I think you need to see his
eyes around quicker. I think there's some problems with the
ball goes and he gets a little bit you know
where he gets in trouble that way of not getting
his eyes around fast enough.
Speaker 5 (55:25):
But he's super competitive. I love that about the kid. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (55:29):
I think overall, when you look at his pedigree, in
the way that he started his career the way that
he ended it, it's always kind of been in that
same mentality moving forward. Now, I want to talk about
linebacker here, Chamar James out of Florida.
Speaker 5 (55:41):
What did you see from him? Moving? Uh, staying on
the defensive side of the ball. But what did you
see from James?
Speaker 11 (55:47):
I think this is a guy that's a good athlete,
is not a good football player. Okay, personally, he just
doesn't I don't see the instinct. There's no instincts at all,
Like I sense hesitancy when you watch him play. He's athletic,
he moves well, unblocked, blitzes. He he doesn't never finish,
but he does a really good job of forcing the
quarterback out of the pocket, but he doesn't finish. Uh,
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he's he's a little stiff in his lateral agility kind
of hops around a bit for me. Reminds me, and
he reminds me of a little Jalen Smith, so like
he's a little late to the party.
Speaker 7 (56:16):
He's a straight line player and he I think he
needs to be a will You got to keep him
free and just let him run because the instincts he
really doesn't. I mean there are plays where he clearly
loses the ball. Yeah, I mean it just like he's
his head is you know, he just doesn't know where
it's coming from. So I just I think i'd have
a hard time with him.
Speaker 8 (56:36):
Was he ever a safety. But you know they'll, they'll
he's six sometimes, yeah, got him do that kind of stuff.
But I don't think he's great at it at all.
Speaker 7 (56:44):
Yeah, I just man, like I said, the instincts just
bothered me. And this is how straight line he is.
And when he even when he rushed, you could see
how hard it was for him to turn when a
quarterback was able to move, you know, moving out of
the out of the pocket on him, and he was
having to to kind of make that happen he's.
Speaker 5 (56:59):
Just such a big time recruit.
Speaker 11 (57:00):
Like Niki, your probably a five star recruit coming out
of the state of Alabama, which the number three prospect
in the state, and he just they missed on it
for whatever reason.
Speaker 5 (57:09):
It's just and he picked Florida Overbama. It just didn't
work out respecfully.
Speaker 6 (57:13):
It was not a five so we didn't miss on
that game.
Speaker 4 (57:15):
Yeah, but you talked about the safety profile that I
do remember that being a discussion during his recruitment. It's like, Okay,
this is going to be kind of the modern off
ball linebacker that you can see playing the second level
with the next level, whereas, like you know, maybe ten
years ago, this guy's maybe further back. But this is
a guy that the Cowboys had a formal meeting with
at the combine, and you would understand why, you know,
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if you're looking for depth at the linebacker position, this
is a guy who played in all four phases of
special teams at Florida. He did as late as as
late as a senior year. So maybe that's the type
of guy you're looking for in a Day three pick
like this. But I'm with what everybody said here at
the table.
Speaker 2 (57:50):
Well, in a lot of times when you have a
formal at the combine, sometimes you want to put a
guy like that on the whiteboard. See what he knows
from an instinct standpoint, from a scheme standpoint, what actually
football IQ is there? Because, like you said, the athleticism
jumps off and he's got all sorts of athletic ability.
But when you want to try and kind of pigeonhole
where he's going to be from a football IQ standpoint,
(58:12):
that's where you could really get hurt.
Speaker 5 (58:14):
All right.
Speaker 2 (58:14):
Caandre Lambert Smith from Auburn, the wide receiver, tall prospect
out of out of Auburn that spent some time at
Penn State previously.
Speaker 5 (58:23):
Anybody Havekeandre Lambert Smith.
Speaker 8 (58:26):
Physical jump ball slant guy. Yeah, tackle me if you can. Yeah,
you know what I'm saying, Like he's that kind of guy.
You know, I wouldn't call him like a route run
or nothing like that. But he gets down, he gets downfield,
a little step boom, he gets down.
Speaker 11 (58:39):
He's not going to leave you a like super elusive
in the open field. You know what he's doing. He's catching,
he's getting up field. But you're right, and he's got
some home run hitting speed with his game. I mean
at six one, I thought he was bigger. Like we
saw him in person of the Shrine Bowl.
Speaker 5 (58:50):
He looks big. He stood out to us like, man,
this dude is big.
Speaker 11 (58:54):
He at Penn State, he was pretty darn good before
transferring to Auburn. We talked about it off the ear
of the Black Lines there with Cam Chancellor.
Speaker 5 (59:01):
I do like the play. I thought the film was
pretty don impressive.
Speaker 7 (59:03):
Yes, seventy four percent of his receptions resulting in a
first down yep for Auburn. And its funny because I
was looking at Pro Football Focus after watching the tape.
Five hundred and fifteen of his five hundred and thirty
one snaps were taken on the right side of the offense,
so he was primarily just a as we see a
right right side player.
Speaker 5 (59:22):
I loved him running slants. By the way, I mean
they threw the ball.
Speaker 7 (59:26):
I mean, the Auburn's quarterbacks are just awful and he
They're throwing the ball all over the place.
Speaker 5 (59:31):
But this guy, I mean, you see some of the
four to three seven, he does.
Speaker 7 (59:35):
Have some of that that that that speed, and he's
not afraid to extend for the ball.
Speaker 5 (59:39):
And I like how he acceparates.
Speaker 7 (59:41):
He catches share of balls in traffic, and I think
he plays with a lot of courage because there's no
time where the ball is gonna end up for him.
Speaker 5 (59:47):
So you always wonder.
Speaker 7 (59:48):
Why kid, you know, leaves Penn stay to go to
Auburn and play in such a terrible situation at quarterback.
Speaker 5 (59:54):
But this kid went through it.
Speaker 2 (59:56):
Good catch radius, high point, ability to track the ball.
I mean, he's got all of those different elements to it.
You talked about the multiple eighty yard receptions in a season.
He's got a home run.
Speaker 5 (01:00:05):
Ability to him.
Speaker 2 (01:00:06):
Played his best football down the stretch in twenty twenty
four too. You look at the games against AMM, Texas
A and M. He had one hundred yard performs the
game before that, he had one hundred against ULM, and
then he had one hundred against Alabama in the game
in the Iron Bowl in Tuscaloosa. So lots of good
positive things there.
Speaker 5 (01:00:23):
I thought. Is his build, like you said, he's tall
and lanky.
Speaker 2 (01:00:27):
He's got some tone there, but he's a little slim
on the outside. That's okay, that's fine. You can kind
of refine his route running Like you said, it wasn't
a perfect route running, kind of rounded his breaks at times.
You can maybe refine the footwork there. I think he's
a good football player and somebody that on day three
you would really take a chance on, and maybe a
guy you can work into a rotation starting as a
(01:00:49):
rookie as well. I mean he was all big ten
with Penn State, turns around and gets all SEC with
Auburn and in an offense, like Brian said, with not
good quarterback play.
Speaker 5 (01:01:00):
Andre Lambert. Smith's kind of a diamond in the rough
for this this draft.
Speaker 2 (01:01:03):
Not going to be a guy that'll be a Day one,
day two guy, But on day three we're going to
hear his name called and say that's a good pick
for whatever team selects him.
Speaker 4 (01:01:10):
Mentioned you mentioned Brian that first downstat. Yeah, if you
have it in front of you, what was it again,
it's fine.
Speaker 5 (01:01:17):
Seventy four percent of his receptions resulted in a first down.
Speaker 4 (01:01:21):
You said that, Kyle, you mentioned him being a home
run hitter. This is a guy who does specialize with
the downfield routes. Yeah, these short route concepts. You go
back and watching the film, Corners are jamming him and
getting him out of there, and he has tells too.
Whenever he's running, these curls are running, you know, inside
the sticks. So this would be a guy that you
would have to trust with your quarterback to be able
(01:01:41):
to find some home run ability. But I think he's
going to find a fun spot in the league, and
if he's in the right spot, he can be a
dynamic claimate maker.
Speaker 2 (01:01:48):
And We're going to try and do some more of
these tell me mores as we get closer thirty days
out from the NFL Draft, and I'm going to keep
kind of giving names for those that haven't had a
scouting report yet or may not have the access to
the film. Gonna get these names out there as we
go along. But that does it for us here on
the Draft Show. That hour went by very quick, guys,
well done as always. We'll be back on Thursday. Quarterback
(01:02:10):
takes Thursday at ten o'clock. We're going an hour early
on Thursday. So wake up with us, grab your your
favorite coffee, your favorite morning beverage. We'll get you ready
for some draft coming up on Thursday as well. For
Brian brought us Zach Wilchuck Watch Lombardi, Nick Harris, Chris
Beam in the back of Kyle Yeoman saying so long
from the Draft show.
Speaker 5 (01:02:29):
We'll see you on Thursday.
Speaker 1 (01:02:31):
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