Draft Show: Touchdown in Mobile

The Draft Show crew is on radio row in Mobile, Alabama for the 2026 Panini Senior Bowl. Hear about the best prospects to look for and how the Cowboys could be leaning towards early.

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Now your hosts Votch Lombardi, Nick Harris, Bobby Belt, Tommy
Yarish and Kyle Yeomans.

Speaker 4 (00:34):
Today is Tuesday, January twenty seven, twenty twenty six, and
we are live from Mobile, Alabama, eighty six days away
from the NFL Draft in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. Welcome to the
Draft Show, presented by Miller Light. It is officially Senior
Bowl Week. We are back in the Mobile Convention Center
alongside my partners in crime, Tommy Yarish and Nick Harris.

(00:55):
I'm Kyle Yeoman. Scott Purcell is behind the camera. Shout
out to Scott forgetting us on the air, setting everything
up early this morning, because gentlemen, getting here was not
easy with the iceland in the storm and everything that's
going on in Dallas. First off, hope everybody is staying
safe out there in Dallas Fort Worth. I know as
the ice is starting to melt. You guys are starting
to move around a little bit. Stay safe because it

(01:16):
was treachery getting here, both from an airport standpoint and
from a driving standpoint.

Speaker 3 (01:21):
But we made it, and it's nice to be here.

Speaker 4 (01:23):
And kind of feel like the draft process is now
continuing as it should.

Speaker 5 (01:27):
Yeah, this is when the draft officially kicks off. I mean,
this is one of the more fun weekends all year
here in Mobile and a pretty good crew this year
that I'm excited to dive into with you guys.

Speaker 6 (01:36):
Yeah, it's you know, this is all worth the travel stuff, right, Yeah,
I think it really is. This is a really fun week.
It's great to catch up and sit down with some
of these players. It's a really unique experience for us.
I enjoyed it a lot last year, so looking forward
to get the same experience under our belts again and
then go watch these guys compete.

Speaker 4 (01:53):
The real hero of this week is our pilot on
American Airlines Flight seventeen eighty five. He said, Hey, I'm
about to im out, but guess what, I'm not leaving
and he stayed and he ended up taking the flight
out of Dallas and got us here safety.

Speaker 3 (02:07):
So he's the real hero. I don't know.

Speaker 6 (02:08):
I would have run through a wall for him.

Speaker 3 (02:11):
I came out and gave a literal victory speech.

Speaker 6 (02:14):
Yeah, it was incredible.

Speaker 4 (02:15):
Nick was sitting just at a restaurant nearby, waiting for
us to get here.

Speaker 3 (02:19):
You didn't have any problems getting here.

Speaker 5 (02:21):
Yeah, My flight was the late twenty minutes. There's was
the late eight hours. I felt bet somehow I was
supposed to take off after them, and I got.

Speaker 2 (02:26):
Here before then. But yeah, on a day's.

Speaker 4 (02:29):
It's unbelievable stuff. Yeah, and you talked about the crew
that's here there.

Speaker 3 (02:32):
I mean, it's a.

Speaker 4 (02:33):
Who's who of the NFL that is inmobile as part
of the Senior Bowl. I mean we were walking by.
We saw a former Dallas Cowboys offensive coordinator now head
coach of the New Orleans Saints, Kellen Moore. It was
mulling around behind us. You've got all sorts of staff
members and coaches and players that are all kind of
here as part of Radio Row. We are going to
talk to as many prospects this week as possible, but

(02:56):
because of our travels, we may only get one or
two today.

Speaker 3 (02:59):
We'll see.

Speaker 4 (02:59):
But Nick, when it comes to the Senior Bowl. What's
the number one thing you're looking for this year if
you're either a part of the Cowboys or just a
part of the draft process in general.

Speaker 5 (03:08):
Well, we could talk from the Cowboys perspective for sure.
I mean, these these two first round picks, you would
assume are going to be using the defensive side of
the ball.

Speaker 2 (03:14):
We've said it a million times.

Speaker 5 (03:15):
I think you can make the case that ninety percent
of these picks are going to be using the defensive
side of the ball. So which of these defensive guys
really shine against premier offensive talent, whether that be in
the secondary or on the offensive line, defensive line. We'll
talk about some of those matchups that could work out
for some of those guys. But you know, you talk
about Romelo Height out of Texas Tech came in yesterday
a little bit shorter, a little bit smaller than expected,

(03:36):
six foot two and a half two hundred and thirty
four pounds. Is already you know, going to be battling
the factor that he's old in the for this class.
He's coming out of his fifth year out of Texas Tech,
went to three different schools as well. How much does
that really play a role into you know, his his
potential draft stock and then nevil kind of guy like
Colton Hood, the cornerback out of Tennessee. Daniel Jeremiah had

(03:58):
him mocked at number twelve to the Cowboys and his
mock draft on Monday, which you know, that's a whole
different conversation. I think if that scenario plays out where
Sunny Styles, Caleb Downs months or delaying Ruben Bay, David Bailey,
they're all gone before twelve and may I get that
parachute and start getting on the phone. But nevertheless, Colton
Hod's gonna be another fascinating one to watch this week.

(04:18):
And there's so many guys even on Day three. I
like Bud Clark out of TCU as a Day three
safety if they if they feel like they need to
swing on one there. I think he would give you
special teams upside on day one and then would it
maybe be able to play himself into the conversation of
playing at that position later down the line.

Speaker 2 (04:34):
But really good talent here so far.

Speaker 6 (04:36):
Yeah, there's incredible talent. I mean one of the guys
that Nick was really high on and we talked about
him on the show was denied. Dennis Sutton six five
two and sixty eight pounds out of Penn State at
defensive end. It's interesting. I'm interested to see how that
frame holds up because I think that he still needs
kind of that next step in his development in terms
of Russia with more of a plan and things like that.
But the physical frame is there, the tools are there,

(04:58):
it's can you put it all together? And then some
of guys we were talking about yesterday, Kamaria Ramsey, the
safety from USC, you and I were talking about on
the flight. Yeah, you know, Kamari Ramsey and safety USC,
Bishop Fitzgerald, Safety USC. And you know which kind of
guy do you like more. I think Fitzgerald gives you
a little bit more of the deep coverage stuff, the
ball skills and things like that. Ramsey can kind of

(05:20):
still be rangy. Want to see him attack the run
a little bit better. But it's two really good players
at safety. So it just kind of depends with where
these guys fall and how much they raise their stock
this weekend, because we could be talking about a Day
two guy with Kamaria Ramsey and Bishop Fitzgerald, or if
scouts are like, hey, we didn't we didn't like what
we saw, if that drops him back into Day three,
then maybe things are back on the table for the Cowboys,

(05:42):
because I remember they don't have a Day two pick
as things stand now. I'm with Nick. I think if
they're in a scenario where it was with Jeremiah's mock draft,
where all your guys are gone and if your best
player available right there is Colden Hood or something along
those lines, and that's no disrespect to Colden Hood. I
think you're trying to drop back, parachute back, pick up
some capital and see if you can load up on
these guys that are kind of similarly stacked between twenty

(06:05):
and forty or fifty or whatever it.

Speaker 3 (06:07):
Ends up being. I think it's interesting you brought up
the two of.

Speaker 4 (06:10):
The guys that you and I wrote about yesterday on
Dallas Cowboys dot Com.

Speaker 3 (06:14):
We had a Players to Watch.

Speaker 4 (06:16):
Article and deny Dennis Sutton as one because you always
see it at the Senior Bowl, these edge rushers, these
big bodied edge rushers that may not have had the
same production you anticipated with super high expectations. I mean,
he was a four or five star prospect, considerable or
considered going into his time at Penn State. Then he
turns around, he has a decent year, but he wasn't

(06:37):
necessarily jumping off the page from a tape standpoint. Now
you get a chance to go up against these guys
and really show what you've got and really try and
take a step forward. So you have a chance for
edge rushers to show a little bit of that time
period too. I think when it comes to when it
comes to guys like Danny Deny, Dennis Sutton, and maybe

(06:58):
the the safety group and the secondary, where do you
feel like the talent is with this senior Bowl class specifically,
and who stands to make maybe the biggest jump whenever
the draft show comes or the draft comes around.

Speaker 6 (07:12):
In terms of just secondary, I think there's plenty of
guys Chris.

Speaker 4 (07:16):
As a position group, do you think the edge of
a talented secondary was more talented the most talented?

Speaker 6 (07:24):
I really like the secondary class here. I think there's
a lot of guys that had solid college careers that
everybody's kind of in the middle about, but they really
want to see up close in this kind of setting.
Chandler Rivers from Duke is one of them. Chris Johnson
from San Diego State is another one of them. Obviously,
Colton Hood from Tennessee we talked about him. Malik Mohammad

(07:44):
from Texas. I think there's a long list of guys
that you can look at at this corner room and say, okay,
if we feel like we need to see more here
Davis and Nick Minosa, Ohio State, another one Georgia. Daleen
Everett from Georgia say That's what I'm saying is the
list goes on and on, and it's so many guys
that can just shoot up this cornerback board if there's
a run on them or if guys really like them.

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So there are a couple guys on this list that
I already like and I'm looking forward to seeing some more.
And I'm sure it's going to be the case again
with NFL Scouts too.

Speaker 5 (08:12):
Yeah, the Edge Rusher group, it looked promising last week,
but Ruben bay and David Bailey have since about out,
which is probably smart for their own stock. But you know,
there used to be a point in time where it
didn't matter where your stock was you came to this game.

Speaker 2 (08:25):
Yep, I am gonna throw that out there.

Speaker 5 (08:26):
Nothing against David Bailey and Rubin Bain's it's probably smart
business decisions at the end of the day. But it
hurts my soul a little bit. But if you look
at the D line group, we still have t J.
Parker to talk about. Came in over sixty three and
a half two hundred and sixty three pounds. Thought he'd
honestly be a little bit heavier. But I wonder how
that size is still able to play into his favor

(08:47):
this week. Again, we talked about it last week. It's
not a fantastic tackle class that they're going to be
going up against here, and even the premier tackle that
I think guys are gonna be hunting down Jennings Dunk
or the tackle out of Iowa who could go late
to He's maybe into the thirties. He's more of a
run guy, so this this pass protection is probably not
his strong suit. And I wonder if they play him

(09:07):
at tackle or at guard because I think he's a
guard at the next level. So I wonder how these
offensive linemen fair and which which ones end up being
the guys that the Romelo heights that denied in his suddens,
the Zion youngs at Zion Young out of Missouri start
to start to hunt down as the practices go along,
because every year it's like, Hey, give me that tackle
or give me that guard. He's the guy that's whooping

(09:29):
feet right now, is our great friend, Vach Lombardi would say.
And so I wonder which one ends up getting hunted.
Leviis overturned. LT Overton out of Alabama. That's another one
I'm excited to see this week. Also where he lines up.
He came in just under six three, two hundred and
seventy eight pounds. I think he has that versatility to
play up and down the line. I wonder how that
works in his favor defensive tackle that I saw him

(09:51):
mocked in the first round by Daniel Jeremiah yesterday. That
I'm really excited to get eyes on now that he
has that type of stamp on him. As Lee Hunter
out of Texas Tech, you know, we've talked so much
about Romelo High, David Bailey, even Jacob Rodriguez a little bit,
not anything about Lee Hunter yet. So six three and
a half three hundred and twenty pounds, you know, how
does he fare this week? Excited to see what these
Texas SEC defenders can bring.

Speaker 6 (10:10):
Yeah, I'm kind of just real quick on Hunter. I'm
kind of looking forward to seeing him too, because My
initial viewing of him on tape wasn't that great. I
think he was good against the run. He has the
ability to stack in shed make those splash plays. You
saw it. I think it was the first play of
the game against Oregon when I was watching that. But
he kind of still can get moved around and nullified
on double teams as opposed to eating up those blocks

(10:33):
and opening things up. So I'm interested to see what
he does here this week, and you know, see if
he can prove me wrong a little bit.

Speaker 4 (10:40):
And we've seen some defensive tackles take over the Senior
Bowl in the past. I mean defensive tackle, defensive line.
I remember Perry On Winfrey was a three tech here
for a while that ended up playing really well, and
now he was on the Cowboys his past year. Didn't
have the career that we anticipated when he was coming
out of Oklahoma, but still somebody.

Speaker 3 (10:57):
That made an impact.

Speaker 4 (10:59):
Then you go all the way back, of course Aaron
Donald and what he did here stood out.

Speaker 3 (11:02):
And is still legend around Mobile.

Speaker 4 (11:05):
Having him show out the way that he did and
then end up in the career that he no love for.

Speaker 5 (11:10):
Mazzi, Mazzie, I mean, I don't think he's a swing
that out there.

Speaker 3 (11:18):
You caught me off side? Yeah, five yard penalty.

Speaker 4 (11:21):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (11:21):
One thing that I love about the Senior Bowl.

Speaker 4 (11:24):
Is the vast array of different talent levels that these
guys come from.

Speaker 3 (11:28):
To where they are now.

Speaker 4 (11:30):
And a lot of the smaller school group of five
D two D three prospects.

Speaker 3 (11:35):
Nick, I'm gonna look look at you for this once.

Speaker 4 (11:37):
Alright, who are some of the small school guys that
we're going to look at at the end of the
week and say, Wow, they had a phenomenal week in
Mobile and they made themselves some money.

Speaker 5 (11:45):
I don't know how he's gonna fair this week, but
I do want to start off with this name, Charles
Dimmings coming out of Steven F.

Speaker 2 (11:51):
Austin.

Speaker 5 (11:51):
The Cowboys, they typically do do their due diligence at
Steven F.

Speaker 2 (11:55):
Austin.

Speaker 5 (11:55):
They picked up a corner in the undrafted ranks last
year from SFA and Bruce Harmon had a d in
camp before he got hurt. Charles dimming is a Mesquite
horn product. So I wonder how he fares this week
and and maybe you know stamps his his name as
a as a draft pick. But going up to the
g five ranks. Chris Johnson, the corner out of San
Diego State. I think he's a Day two guy. I
think so, and so I'm again fascinating to see how

(12:17):
he plays in this environment. That's what's so big for
these guys is you know the G five or the
D two or the fcs uh is is getting here
and showing that they can, uh, that they can go
up one on one against the Ohio States, the Notre Dames,
the the Michigan's, Texas Tech whatever. It's crazy that Texas
Tech is in the conversation shout out to Joey McGuire, Yeah,
and show that they show that they belong and so

(12:38):
uh those are a couple. But it's it's funny because
I thought Stephen Jones actually mentioned it in a nutshell
not too long ago and the season in press conference
we had a season in press conference, he was like,
you know, so many of these guys uh hit the
transfer portal whenever they do shine at these small schools
and end up at these bigger schools. So we're probably
not going to spend as many resources scouting those smaller schools,

(13:00):
but you know, there still are ones that that have
huge senior seasons and Rise Delbi Lemeeux, offensive lineman out
of Dartmouth. That's another one that's here. And then nade Tucker, uh,
kind of an edge outside linebacker out of Western Michigan,
had a really good year for the mac champs. And
you know the Cowboys uh obviously have Western Michigan ties.
And so I'm fascinated to see what Nadam Tucker does

(13:21):
this week. I look at him as a Day two
type of guy as well.

Speaker 6 (13:24):
Yeah, Tucker was the name that I was gonna throw
out there too. He had fourteen and a half sacks
this past year for Western Michigan, so that that would
be the ones, one of the bet that would be
that would be the one for me that from the
smaller schools. That's catching my eye.

Speaker 4 (13:37):
Yeah, I was looking at John Carroll wide receiver, Tyrone Montgomery.

Speaker 2 (13:42):
Yeah, he was a late ad.

Speaker 3 (13:42):
He was a laid ad.

Speaker 4 (13:43):
Somebody there that I haven't had the chance to look
at yet. But John Carroll. Where is John Carroll?

Speaker 3 (13:49):
Do you know?

Speaker 5 (13:50):
I don't This is one that this is one that
is really like pulling out the uh.

Speaker 6 (13:54):
Yeah, pulling out Ohio.

Speaker 3 (13:56):
Okay, so it's Ohio.

Speaker 5 (13:58):
Hey, Tyron Montgomery's from the Woodlands with the Wellands Texas
Texas product.

Speaker 3 (14:01):
No wonder, he's good, then hold on, hold on.

Speaker 2 (14:04):
This is kind of a fascinating career.

Speaker 5 (14:05):
He started his career as a basketball player at LSU
Okay and went to Nichols State to play college football
and then ended up at John Carroll.

Speaker 2 (14:13):
So yeah, fascinating.

Speaker 4 (14:15):
Did we just as a wide receiver that we should
be looking at this week?

Speaker 2 (14:18):
Yeah, you know what, Let's try to get him on
an interview. I want to hear his story.

Speaker 3 (14:21):
Okay, I'll send it.

Speaker 4 (14:21):
I'll send a late email along with the other name
that you told me right before this that we needed to.

Speaker 3 (14:25):
Add to our interview list.

Speaker 4 (14:27):
We've got a lot of interviews coming up over the
course of the week. Like we said, when we come back,
we're gonna do some Twitter on the twenty, and then
we're gonna talk to Ephesian's Prize Sock, the defensive back
out of Washington, former Husky and former Arizona Wildcat as well.
We're going to talk to him about his journey, how
he got here to the Senior Bowl, and then we're
going to continue our coverage here.

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Back here on Radio Row in Mobile, Alabama, alongside Tommy
Yarish and Nick Harris and Kyle Yelm's with the Draft
Show presented by Miller Light now joined by Washington Corner.
Ephesians price Sock, and I have to say, Ephesians is
one of the more unique names we've ever had on
the Draft Show. But you you you don't just go
by Ephesians. You go buy Efi, you go buy a

(17:24):
number of different nicknames. Where where does of course from
a biblical standpoint, But where does Efi and Ephiesians come from?

Speaker 3 (17:31):
Uh?

Speaker 10 (17:32):
So my mom told me that, uh, it just came
to her in her sleep one day and that's what
he ended up naming me. Uh uh my parents do
go to church. Uh pretty religious. So yeah, and then
Efi is just like sort of for Epheesians because a
lot of people can't really pronounce my.

Speaker 3 (17:49):
Name at some point, They've got to just read right exactly.
That's part of it. But yeah, we're excited to have
you here on the Draft show.

Speaker 4 (17:57):
Of course, you had a great career at Washington started
I mean in this day and age of the transfer
portal bounced around originally from California, though, talk about your
journey to get here and to be a part of
the Senior Bowl week.

Speaker 6 (18:11):
Man, it's been a pleasure, all glory to God.

Speaker 3 (18:14):
Man.

Speaker 10 (18:14):
I thank you to the whole coaching staff that I
started with that Arizona, starting with Coach Fish, to Dwayne Walker,
who was my first cornerback coach in college, to John Richardson.
And it's been a pleasure, man. And then those guys
went to Washington and I was right behind him.

Speaker 4 (18:33):
Yeah, and you actually covered ephesions in high school back
in the day. That's the Nick harrisiko that we've talked
about plenty of times before, right.

Speaker 5 (18:41):
Yeah, absolutely, Bishop Alomany was you and a Nuafi tu
a Helamaca. Yeah, I came out for one of those
COVID games that y'all had during the spring way back when.
But no, I want to talk about your journey from
from Arizona to Washington and following that staff, not only you,
but to Carrio Davis as well. Yeah, y'all being together
how much did that benefit your development? And I guess
here talking about this last season at Washington, you're one

(19:03):
of these longer boundary corners.

Speaker 2 (19:04):
How can you parlay that into an NFL future?

Speaker 3 (19:07):
You think?

Speaker 10 (19:08):
I think just using my length, my size, my speed
plays a big role in a lot of getting my
hands on guys in the in the league and different
things like that, and just being able to slow down
routes and mess up the quarterbacks time in and different
things like that plays a big role in.

Speaker 3 (19:28):
In the league.

Speaker 2 (19:30):
What are you trying to prove this week?

Speaker 10 (19:32):
Uh, just how how I could play off, how versatile
I am, I could play inside corner and different things
like that.

Speaker 6 (19:40):
That position versatility is so important, and especially with you
and Takario, like Nick mentioned too, taller, longer corners. How
beneficial do you think that was for your entire defense
as a whole, Because I can imagine with the price
man stuff that you guys did that it's kind of
hard to throw to the outside when you've got two
guys with similar builds and statures kind of in in

(20:00):
that mold on the outside.

Speaker 10 (20:02):
Well, now we got I mean we got two lone
guys on the outside. You can't just choose one because
one shorter or one taller. So I mean, you gotta
throw at either one of us. Really, the ball is
not just gonna go to one side all game. It
has to go to both sides. So you know what
I'm saying, it's it's been great playing with the Carlo Davis,
that's my guy man, great cornerback. What do you feel

(20:25):
like separates you from some of the other corners in
this class? Just like I said, versus being versatile, being
able to play multiple positions, and.

Speaker 4 (20:36):
I think there's a lot of different areas that Dallas
is looking for in that secondary. Before we let you
go here, what would it mean for somebody like you
to be from the West Coast. I know there's a
lot of Cowboys fans out there. I don't know if
you're one yourself, But what would it mean for you
to play for an organization like that and probably get
some immedia playing time in the secondary?

Speaker 3 (20:55):
It means a lot.

Speaker 6 (20:56):
Man.

Speaker 10 (20:57):
I feel like I could go out and have an
immedia impact on any team that I get picked up by,
and I feel like I'm something special to the organization.

Speaker 3 (21:07):
There you go.

Speaker 4 (21:07):
Ephijian's Pride sock from Washington a cornerback here at the
Senior Bowl. That's going to go places here in this
twenty twenty six NFL Draft Excited to see where you
go and thanks for taking some time with us.

Speaker 3 (21:19):
Appreciate you guys. And more of the Draft show presented
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Show back here from Radio row in Mobile, Alabama, host
of the Senior Bowl here in twenty twenty six, back
alongside Nick Harris and Tommy Yarish. I'm Kyle Yeoman's time
now for some Twitter.

Speaker 6 (23:42):
Twenty I don't know.

Speaker 3 (23:45):
Somebody might edit in something later, but don't.

Speaker 2 (23:47):
Gonna have to be edited. It's gonna have to be edit.

Speaker 3 (23:51):
We don't have any sounder or a soundboard here. That's okay,
it's part of it, all right.

Speaker 4 (23:56):
Mike wants to know what he wants to have a
scenario here here sit start, cut right or start sit
cut out of these three players, Rubin Bain, David Bailey
and RVL Reese, three of the top prospects that we've
talked about plenty on this show already, who would you start,
who would you sit?

Speaker 3 (24:17):
And who would you cut? Tommy will let you start.

Speaker 6 (24:20):
I'm going based on my board, so I'm sticking to
my board as it stands. Right now, I'm starting David Bailey. Okay,
I'm sitting Rvel Reese and I'm cutting Ruben Bain with
so much pain in my heart and doing wow.

Speaker 2 (24:34):
But you have them all as what top five guys?

Speaker 6 (24:36):
Yeah, they're all top five. Yeah, Bailey is, Bailey is two,
Reeses four, Baine is five.

Speaker 5 (24:42):
Okay, Yeah, I'm starting Baane sitting Reese cutting Bailey, and
it hurts.

Speaker 3 (24:47):
It hurts.

Speaker 4 (24:47):
I don't think there's a wrong answer to this question.
There's not a right or wrong answer either way. And
it's funny that you said it this way. You said
it this way, and I'm going to say it in
a different way. I'm gonna start Ruben Bain, so you
and I agree there. But I'm not cutting David Bailey.
I'm sitting David Bailey, and then I would cut Arvel Reese,
which is a painful thing for me to do because
I love r Vel Reese. And of course linebacker is

(25:10):
a big time question mark for this team. But give
me the addressers all day, every day. I'll make your
work outside I just incredible.

Speaker 5 (25:18):
Yeah, I love the positional versatility with Reese I think
you could line him up off ball, you could bring
him up, bring him off the edge. I think he's
probably gonna be more of an edge of the next level. Honestly,
I see him serving kind of a Nick Bonito role
at the next next level.

Speaker 3 (25:30):
Okay, so good question, Mike.

Speaker 6 (25:32):
I really like it.

Speaker 4 (25:33):
Uh this this name, I'm just gonna say it's Hippie.
That's that's what his name is on Twitter. Okay, it's
really interesting. Outside of that, he literally says, please tell
me you see Jacob Rodriguez, the linebacker from Texas Tech.

Speaker 3 (25:46):
We haven't seen him yet, but we also have only.

Speaker 2 (25:48):
Been We are hunting him down for an interview.

Speaker 4 (25:50):
We have requested him. We're gonna try and get him
on the show. See what's happening. Yeah, he said, please
tell me that you've seen Jacob Rodriguez. All right, how
about uh this, John wants to know when it comes
to the center position, says, I wasn't impressed with Cooper
b b last year, which there was some up and down.

Speaker 3 (26:13):
I get it.

Speaker 4 (26:13):
I don't know if I agree there completely, but he said,
are there any centers in the draft class or in
the Senior Bowl class?

Speaker 3 (26:19):
Is where I'm going to lead this question.

Speaker 4 (26:22):
Is there any center opportunity for Cowboys to look at
or anybody that you would even consider to replace Cooper BB?

Speaker 2 (26:28):
Yeah, I think there are some. Well, first off, no,
I'm the same way.

Speaker 5 (26:32):
Yeah, but let's let's let's play Devil's advocate for a second,
and let's say that they want to find death at
the position. Jake Slaughter out of Florida's one, Mark Parker
Brailsford out of Alabama. Those are the two guys that
are here for Senior Bowl purposes. But a couple of
other centers that I like in the class La Lululu
from Oregon and then Pat Coogan, your Rose Bowl MVP,

(26:53):
dammit from Indiana. Those are I think it's a pretty
solid center class. It's not the best, it's it's a
lot like last year's where you probably won't see your
first guy get taken until second third round, which I
let's see last year was I think it was the
third round whenever.

Speaker 3 (27:11):
We saw similar to what you saw last year.

Speaker 2 (27:14):
Yeah, I think it's gonna be very similar to that.

Speaker 3 (27:15):
Okay, I would guess.

Speaker 6 (27:17):
I would guess Slaughter is probably your top center out
of Florida. Yes, Slaughter out of Florida. Thank you. Uh,
I'm good with Cooper b B. I had. I had
no Sure you're gonna get up and down. But I
mean it's I think he had not to a point
where it's like, okay, we need to start looking exactly.

Speaker 4 (27:33):
I think he had a tough season. I don't think
it was a perfect season. Is it something that you
need to move on from at this point in time.

Speaker 3 (27:41):
Absolutely not. Don't do that, And I get the frustration.

Speaker 2 (27:44):
I don't even think it was a tough season.

Speaker 5 (27:45):
Yeah, he had some tape, yeah, but it's the second
year in the league. He battled six five weeks of
a high ankle sprain and flateral foot fracture that he
had with the rest of the season maybe, So.

Speaker 4 (27:57):
That sounds like a tough season to me, battling through
an injury and having a back half of the year
where you weren't necessarily impressive.

Speaker 6 (28:04):
But if he's playing like that while he's coming back
from that, I think I'm over you feel okay. And
the other thing too, is if it's there too, I'm
just paying If brock Hoffman is still around, then yeah,
you don't. You don't really, I don't see the need
for Dallas to draft another center.

Speaker 4 (28:16):
Okay, you guys mentioned this earlier, but Matt wants to
know who were, or with all of the opt outs,
who had a better level of talent, the Shrine.

Speaker 3 (28:24):
Bowl or the Senior Bowl, because we've.

Speaker 4 (28:26):
Had the chance to kind of check out both of
them so far. I know my answer, but I'll start
with you.

Speaker 5 (28:30):
Yeah, certainly Senior Bowl, and that's nothing against the Shrine.
I thought the Shrine had a pretty good crop this year,
but it's not as much Round one talent in these
games anymore. For again, like purposes I mentioned earlier with
business related but there's a lot more Day two guys
here in Mobile.

Speaker 6 (28:45):
Yeah, I would agree with that. And again, I think
this was the best Shrine Bowl group I've seen in
a while. Yeah, and so commend really both of these
these teams that put this together. They do a really
good job of finding guys and getting them all to
play together. But this is a This is a good
Senior Bowl group too.

Speaker 3 (29:01):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (29:02):
I think the gap is closer this year than it
has been in years past, and that's nothing against either
one of the groups. I think the Shrine Bowl is
continuing to get better, and I think the Senior Bowl
remains the standard of the All Star Games at this
point in time, and it'll continue to be that way,
I think, until there's a seismic shift across the way.

(29:23):
There's so much, so much buzz around the building even
this morning. We haven't even had practices yet, they barely
had meetings so far, and there's already more of a
buzz around this event and what they're doing because of
the certain names and prospects that are in attendance here.
So good question, but yeah, it's still a Senior Bowl
at this point in time.

Speaker 3 (29:41):
You had a question that you were.

Speaker 6 (29:42):
Yeah, I was kind of excited for this one comes
from Sean. What's up?

Speaker 3 (29:44):
Sean?

Speaker 6 (29:45):
Who are some players who are not currently talking about
at twelve and twenty that could shoot up the board
after the Senior Bowl and Combine. I picked this one
because I have a guy and I'm really.

Speaker 2 (29:54):
Go ahead, because I'm gonna find I'm fine.

Speaker 6 (29:56):
Randon the corner from South Carolina. I am telling you,
I think we are going to get to a point
where after the Combine we are talking about CSA at
twenty inch. I think that's going to be very realistic.
He's I think he's gonna test really well at the combine. Unfortunately,
he's not a Senior Bowl guy. I would have loved
to have seen him here. But he's got he's tall,
he's long, he's gonna run really well. And I think

(30:17):
this is gonna be a guy that's gonna shoot up
those boards. And the Cowboys are gonna seriously consider him
at twelve maybe not nothing, even just the Cowboys. I
think NFL teams are going to look at him a
little bit higher than maybe they would in the past.
I can't, obviously can't speak for how they see him
on the board, but I really like this kid at
a South Carolina.

Speaker 2 (30:33):
Yeah, I'm gonna throw. I'm gonna throw.

Speaker 4 (30:35):
Do you have any I had two guys that come
to mind. One of them is already It kind of
doesn't answer the question.

Speaker 3 (30:41):
So I've got a backup.

Speaker 4 (30:42):
But Colton Hood out of Tennessee is a guy that
now has been mocked to the Cowboys because Daniel Jeremiah
had him there at twenty aelf oh, he was there
at twelve there even well, so I don't see him
there I have I probably am gonna slot him maybe
as an early second round graded player onboard when it's
all said and done, but he's here at the Senior Bowl.

(31:03):
He could certainly talk me into it by having a
great week out here this week. I still think he's
an option for Dallas at twelve or twenty. I would
say twenty, but I guess twelve there too. If that's
the conversation, that would, in my opinion, be sneaking up
into the conversation initially.

Speaker 3 (31:19):
So that's one.

Speaker 4 (31:20):
The other one we talked about last week, and that's
the edge rusher and cash is how out of Texas
A and M. I just think that the traits, the
level of production that he had was good enough in
the SEC. I think he can take a step forward
in that regard as well. But there are so many
things that he does well. I just I find myself
gravitating toward Dallas, liking him. Him and Keldric Falk out

(31:43):
of Auburn are those two edge rushers that kind of
fit the mold that Dallas has always tended to lean at.
Big bodied, sec uber, athletic type of guys, and I
think they can possibly be in that conversation.

Speaker 5 (31:55):
Yeah, I'm gonna throw a few names out here. I'm
gonna start with Dylan Thieneman out of Oregon. He's starting
to land in the back end of the first round.

Speaker 4 (32:03):
What did you say a couple of weeks ago, theenem
in or bust if it's if it's not Caleb Downs,
theenum in or bust.

Speaker 5 (32:09):
I like aj Halsey too, so I'm gonna throw a
j Halsey in there. I'm being funny now, but I
like both of those safeties. But if we're talking Dylan Theneman,
I think that's a guy twenty might be a little rich,
But if you trade back in that first round and
pick up some draft capital, certainly makes a lot of sense.
I'm a big fan of Dylan Theeneman, the way he
plays a run, the way he covers space. Huge fan

(32:29):
Keith Abney, I'm gonna throw his name out. There is
another corner out of Arizona State, long but at six
foot in long, which is really encouraging, and then has
the speed and athleticism to be able to play outside
or inside, which I'm a fan of. And then there's
a there was another one in here that I just
had that I lost track of, but.

Speaker 3 (32:49):
Sorry.

Speaker 5 (32:50):
Anthony Hill out of Texas, fascinating career coming into the year.
Was thought to be, you know, a surefire top ten
overall pick, and regress this past season with some injury.
Granted missed a couple of games, but just wasn't as
productive as he was as a sophomore down in Austin.
But I think he's a type of guy that this
draft process plays right into his skill set, whether it

(33:12):
be from a skills perspective or at the combine in
a testing perspective. So I think he could play his
way back into the back end of the first round.

Speaker 3 (33:20):
Where do you guys throw like a.

Speaker 4 (33:23):
I don't know if he's even a first round conversation guy,
but I think he can. Since we're talking about high
risers in the Senior Bowl. I watched a little bit
of Davison and Igbanosen out of Ohio State. Is he
a borderline second round guy first or is he a
two to three or is he more of a one
to two.

Speaker 6 (33:42):
I think he's a two to three. I think that
first of all. I love Iig Minosen at the corner
from Ohio State. I love him. I think he's he's tall,
he's long, you can run, he's aggressive, he plays his
hair on fire, and he is so fast sometimes that
is great, and it's awesome at work. Sometimes it comes
to bite him a little bit, but I mean, that's
what I want from my corners. I want those guys

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that are juiced up, that are fired up, that are
confident and every rep even when they get beat, that
they can go back out there and make another play.
I think what I commend igmuin Nosen for was twenty
twenty four he led the country and pass interference called
against him. I think it was like twenty something. It
wasn't a ridiculous number, and he cut it all the
way down to like six this past year, So that

(34:23):
is that great. I mean, no, you never want passing
interference called against you, but for it to be that drastic,
and he really put in a lot of work on
it is what I've been told, and I think it's
paying off. So I think this guy is absolutely a
Day two pick that anybody would be happy about. Certainly
it would be great I think for the Cowboys.

Speaker 4 (34:40):
Seeing part of why I even asked this question is
because I really like him, and I don't think he's
good enough to go at twelve or twenty. But now
we got to just start a complete smear campaign to
get him to Day three because we don't have any
Day two picks. So I think we need to find
a way to get him to the fourth round and
let's make sure it happens well. Ziom here he's I

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think he's going to be a steal of a player
at the cornerback spot.

Speaker 6 (35:05):
Initially, quick, I want to go back to Anthony Hill.
This is for the panel. Are we overthinking this a
little bit? With Anthony Hill? I think he's a really
good player.

Speaker 2 (35:12):
I'm trying not to. I'll say that I not to
overthink it.

Speaker 6 (35:15):
Yeah, I've got no problem with him at twenty. I've
got no problem at twenty. Yeah.

Speaker 5 (35:20):
I think he certainly could play himself into that conversation too.
And even I still think, you know, if if you
trade back in that first round, he's still gonna be
a guy that's that's there for you.

Speaker 2 (35:30):
But I'm with you.

Speaker 5 (35:30):
I think he's just a football player, and football players
they play a.

Speaker 3 (35:34):
Like why do people? Is interesting?

Speaker 5 (35:36):
Injury limited, limited length, limited athleticism, which I get. But
I think he's gonna lay down some times at the combine.
I think he's gonna show his athleticism at the combine
to where it can kind of nullify a little bit
of those concerns. Yeah, but it's really the the size
and that's gonna be That's that's what I wonder about.
Is he is he an off ball linebacker? Is he
an edge and that there's gonna be questions about that.

(35:58):
Maybe he's just a tweener, But I think he's just
a football player. I think that's his position and I
think he's gonna be just fine.

Speaker 3 (36:03):
All right.

Speaker 4 (36:04):
Where do you feel like Ephesians Price Sock out of
Washington is gonna go.

Speaker 5 (36:08):
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in this. Class can put bets on the table right
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of those two places they love their long. Corners but,
yeah he was originally on That arizona team that played
really well a couple of years Ago Ted roa McMillan
when he was shining over At. Arizona he was. There
Then Jed, fish the head coach At, arizona moved over

(36:31):
To washington After Kaylin debor went To alabama and a
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duos in The Big ten this last.

Speaker 2 (36:47):
Season i'm a. FAN i think it's he's A day
three guy comfortably and it could make sense for this.

Speaker 5 (36:52):
TEAM i think The cowboys have kind of run their
run their course with those long, corners and even you
know Nay, shan, right a guy that's turned into a pro,
bowler didn't quite work out for this.

Speaker 2 (37:04):
Team.

Speaker 5 (37:04):
UH i think when you look at What Christian, parker
who new defensive cooridator for The, cowboys what you look
at the corner that he has developed over the course
of his. Career he has gone typically for the standard
six foot six one six one and a half corner
who has the long length in the, arms not necessarily
the bottom.

Speaker 2 (37:21):
Half.

Speaker 5 (37:22):
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Speaker 6 (37:27):
Mold and you think about The parker, guys is they're
they're kind of i'll say compact for lack of a
better term, too in terms of they're filled out in their.
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limb guys who aren't maybe as full in their friend
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by The way as a team.

Speaker 4 (37:42):
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Speaker 6 (37:48):
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just kind of what mold you feel like fits your.
Defense AND i think With Christian, parker you think About Patrick's,
ertin you think About Quinnon, mitchell you think About Cooper.
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they still have the long, limbs but they're not as you,
know vertically, tall and they have more muscle on them

(38:10):
and still can run and still can cover and do
all those. Things so you look at more of these
guys that are compact in terms of they filled out
their frame and they carry the.

Speaker 5 (38:18):
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Like when you look at him and you look at
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does kind of fit that. Mold i'm very fascinated out
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i'm a fan.

Speaker 3 (38:35):
Already i'm glad you guys reminded.

Speaker 4 (38:37):
Me with all the lack of sleep and everything that
we've had to get, HERE i forgot. About this is
the first draft show we've had since the official hiring
Of Christian. Parker so we'll have that conversation probably tomorrow
and talk about what those types of guys would look,
like kind of play that into what we're looking at
here In.

Speaker 3 (38:53):
Mobile but when we come.

Speaker 4 (38:54):
Back we're going to talk To Ephesians Price, sock and
then we're gonna wrap up the rest of the draft.

Speaker 3 (38:59):
Show more to come.

Speaker 4 (38:59):
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then let's just wrap up the show and get get.

Speaker 3 (39:19):
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already pretty?

Speaker 5 (39:24):
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Speaker 3 (39:32):
Yep.

Speaker 6 (39:34):
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Speaker 3 (39:59):
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Speaker 4 (40:39):
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day one of the twenty twenty Six Pennini Senior Bowl
Andmobile Alabama welcome back into The Draft show presented By
Miller light With tommy yarsh And Nick harris And Kyle
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Speaker 3 (40:59):
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that you had with him from The california ranks and,
then as you mentioned in the earlier, segment kind of
the way he's bounced around to bid and ended up
where he is.

Speaker 5 (41:10):
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and a couple of other players At Bishop allenmanny way
back DURING covid times and When california was playing a
spring season because of everything that was happening back in
twenty twenty and twenty twenty. One but no good. Player
and he's always had that. Length that length has always
it's that length has brought him to this. Stage, now
it's how can he use that length a little bit

(41:31):
more here at the next level to carve out not
only a role in this, league but time in this
league and work out a second contract in this.

Speaker 2 (41:38):
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Speaker 5 (41:40):
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Speaker 4 (41:45):
Why we put him on our list is Because dallas
in that two picks in the first round and then
a ton of day three picks like he might be
in that conversation if they don't go, secondary or maybe
if they want to double dip.

Speaker 3 (41:57):
In the secondary as, well that's still very much so
on the. Table all.

Speaker 4 (42:00):
Right we're just a couple hours away from practice getting
started here In. Mobile it's an afternoon practice later than
what they normally have, done which is nice for.

Speaker 3 (42:09):
Us that sounds great on our side of.

Speaker 4 (42:11):
Things but we'll head out To Hancock Whitney stadium home
To South alabama here in.

Speaker 3 (42:16):
A little bit and watch.

Speaker 4 (42:17):
Practice who are some of the guys you're excited to
see day one on the field in.

Speaker 3 (42:22):
This environment and who's going to stand out to you?

Speaker 6 (42:24):
Today, yeah some of the guys were talked about. Yesterday
coldenhood from the corner From. Tennessee i'm excited to see.
Him Romelo height the edge From Texas. Tech how much
does that size Like nick mentioned earlier in the, show
really affect. Him the. Handle those long arms that he's
gotten ullify all the concerns that you may have about.
Him just kind of scrolling down the list here some.

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More there's another safety THAT i was wanting to talk
About South, Carolina Jalen kilgore six, foot two hundred and eleven.
Pounds i'm interested to see. Him WHEN i was watching
some of that C say, Tape kilgore was a guy
that also kind of jumped out WHEN i was, Watching
so interested to see. That and Then indiana the national.
Champions Kaylen black at running back five. Pounds he's a

(43:06):
tank and he can move people when he lowers that.
Shoulder so a lot are really really really fun, players
And i'm excited to get a look at this.

Speaker 5 (43:13):
Week, Yea i'm gonna kind of speed Through Dalon everett
corner out Of. Georgia that's the one for. Sure Romelo,
Height we've talked about him as.

Speaker 3 (43:21):
Well T.

Speaker 5 (43:21):
J parker defensive end out Of. Clemson, goodness you, Know
i'm fascinated to see what What Garrett nessmeyer does this.
Week healthy you would, assume so he didn't play for
the back half of the season In Baton. Rouge you, know,
what does what does this draft process really look like
For Garrett, Neusmeyer because there were times AND i think
you could still make the case that he has first
round type of arm, talent but it's not as. Consistent

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the turnovers have to come. Down so where eventually does
his stock kind of you, know balance. Out is he
a second third round guy or does he play himself
into that back end of the first. Round i'm curious
to see what the process looks like for. Him and
then A day three linebacker THAT i think we're gonna
end up talking about a lot more as time goes.
On His Brice becher out Of. Oregon that's one THAT
i think could could improve his stock this.

Speaker 4 (44:04):
WEEK i like, that AND i know in the past
there's also been some tight ends that have stut out
from The Senior bowl and some of these.

Speaker 3 (44:11):
One on one.

Speaker 4 (44:11):
DRILLS i think a big receiving threat at tight end
That i've got an eye On Tanner kozyal out Of,
houston big body tight. END i, mean he's just a
tremendous athlete and somebody THAT i don't think we've talked
about enough on The draft.

Speaker 3 (44:24):
Show probably A day, Two day three, guy.

Speaker 4 (44:27):
But still somebody that can really earn some money this
week if he goes off the way that he's anticipated
to go. Off he was thought to be maybe a
top five draft or not top five draft, pick but
a top five tight end in the draft class up
until this. Season kind of bounced around throughout his career
as well and didn't have the season he anticipated down In.
Houston but still a lot of talent and he's got

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the frame for it as.

Speaker 6 (44:48):
Well he might still be a top five tight. END
i think HE'S i think he is tough as nails,
MAN i, mean sensus, WISE.

Speaker 4 (44:56):
I don't think people are very high on, him AND
i don't know why don't.

Speaker 6 (45:00):
Consider me people, then BECAUSE i Love. COZYAL i for
think he is. TOUGH i watched a lot Of houston
football this, year and the hits this kid took HE'S
i mean he. Is he is the best player on
the off the fact that he was able to get
up and continue playing on half of these it felt
like every game he would have to get looked at
on the, sideline come back in the, game and he
would still make the big play for. You so, yeah

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six foot six two hundred and forty five. Pounds consider
me a big fan Of Tanner.

Speaker 4 (45:24):
COZY i think if he would have had a, quarterback
he would have been really.

Speaker 6 (45:27):
Good he did have a. Quarterback see he's trying to drop.
Off yeah, failed rage bright, There, kyle you're so.

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