August 26, 2025 • 50 mins
00:00 – 22:50 – Britney Spears, roster cuts across the NFL today, the trade for cornerback Mekhi Blackmon, any surprise cuts on the way, did anyone from the preseason finale make a last minute push for a roster spot, better chance AR gets traded today or the Hoosiers make the final four of college football?, the fundamental failures of the Colts and Anthony Richardson
22:51 – 35:29 – Jake Arthur of Locked on Colts joins us to discuss Colts roster cuts and decisions, the trade for Mekhi Blackmon last night, any surprise cuts in his eyes?, what he would ask Chris Ballard tomorrow, questions about Anthony Richardson, better chance AR is traded today or Notre Dame wins the national championship?
35:30 – 50:19 - IndyStar Hooisers reporter Zach Osterman joins us to preview Indiana’s season as Curt Cignetti enters Year 2, belief in the process, QB expectations, Darian DeVries and the expectations around Hoosier basketball this season
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You were listening to the Best of the Fan morning
show on ninety three five and one oh seven five
The Fan is that Britney Spears. Hell, yeah it is.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Mark said that like it's a national anthem, like everyone
should know.
Speaker 1 (00:14):
Yes it is. Teenage Mark Dyke didn't love Brittain.
Speaker 3 (00:19):
A music video again, Oh my god, the best video
of all time.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
She was the peak of our game. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (00:26):
A long time ago. A buddy of mine, he was
a salesperson. I was supposed to host a suite at
a Britney Spears concert and he got sick, and so
I had to go fill in. I've never felt more.
I was surrounded by like twelve year old girls around
the entire place. I was just like, oh my god,
(00:46):
I just want to go home and get.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
Out of here.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
I just stayed for the show, but I just I
just remember thinking, this is the one place on planet
Earth I do not belong. Right now, there's.
Speaker 3 (01:01):
So speak for yourself, banger after banger, right, Yeah, I
don't mind Britney Spears.
Speaker 1 (01:07):
I just you know, it was just not my scene,
That's all I'm saying. In the meantime, the scene over
at West fifty sixth will be busy a little bit
later on this afternoon. It's always tough, I know, for
coaches and staff. You bring in a bunch of guys
who've put out their blood, sweat and tears for the
last months, some mom all the way back to all
the workouts, the OTAs and things like that. I know,
(01:28):
it's never easy. Those conversations are probably never fun. And
you know, you try to hopefully a few of these
guys might catch on somewhere else before it's all said
and done. But for a lot of guys, it's tough day.
A dream can go to die today, and that's never fun.
Speaker 4 (01:42):
Sure, Yeah, I mean you're gonna cut what eleven hundred
north of that around the NFL obviously, what sixteen is
sixteen or seventeen? I forget practice squad spots. That is
a big, big number. And as we've talked about for
the last week, you can make damn good money on
the old practice squad. So that is definitely something in
the NFL has tried to increase really ever since the
COVID season, and they've maintained that here. But yeah, definitely,
(02:03):
you know, you see it played out on hard knocks
a whole lot. Yeah, never easy to get the call.
You know, a lot of these guys are telling their
families you don't call me whatsoever today, I will call
you because I do not want that call. And unfortunately
for guys fifty two fifty three, you might celebrate a
little bit tonight and then bam, all of a sudden,
the waiverclaim goes through tomorrow by noon and you're off
the roster. So that's always something that there is some
(02:27):
tinkering with the back end of that roster here for
the next handful of days.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
Well, good morning everyone, welcome into the Fan Morning Show.
If you're just joining us on the way to work
or getting ready for the day, whatever it happens to be,
we appreciate you being here along with James Boyd, Kevin Bowen.
I'm jeff Rickard, Mark Dyton, and yeah, it is cut
down today around the NFL. But late last night, if
you're just joining us, the Colts did bolster again their
cornerback room. They will certainly James have a lot to
(02:53):
choose from before it's all sudden done. Just in terms
of week to week, who's going to be suiting up
for these guys.
Speaker 2 (02:59):
Yeah, I think Kevin laid it out earlier in the
show already. But the top three cornerbacks appear to Beach
Various Ward and Kenny Moore, which are obvious picks on
those two out of the three, and the third one
being Xavin Howard, the former two time All Pro, but
he hasn't plays in twenty twenty three. However, he's getting
first team reps basically his first day here. So those
are the top three. And then they traded for Makay
(03:21):
Blackman of the Minnesota Vikings, a twenty twenty three to
third round pick. Missed all of last year due to
a torn acl that he suffered I believe throughout the
off season, and so he's got something to prove. The
Colts phil they wanted to take a gamble on him
and look at his background, Kevin, I wonder if he
slots in more as like a backup slot guy behind
(03:41):
Kenny Moore, in like that nickel position, which in English
terms for those listening, basically means like the cornerback who
isn't on the outside, the shorter cornerback. You know, Kenny
Moore is more like the tweeter cornerback, and so could
he be a backup to Kenny Moore, or he has
some experience on the outside, could he challenge for an
outside spot. So a lot of questions to be had
and hopefully we get some answers here in a few hours.
Speaker 4 (04:02):
Yeah, when I saw the trade, I thought, yes, I
would agree with you, James. That was my first inkling.
And then I was curious too, how much special teams
background does he have? And he really doesn't have any
in the NFL. I think he played two special team
snaps his entire rookie year and given his height five
to eleven. Yeah, I thought a little bit more of
(04:23):
the slot background, but it actually sounds like he is
more of an outside corner. And now we'll see maybe
the Colts think he can play inside a little bit.
Nothing like a nice little Chris Baward Ryan Grigson trade
that we got last night there. But yeah, I mean,
I'll go back to kind of what I said to
lead off the show. I cannot recall a position group
in the history of Chris Boward's nine years as GM
(04:45):
of the Colts that has gotten this much attention in
one offseason. And again, it's not like you lost anybody
of note from last year. You bring back your top
four snap guys from last season, so former All Pro
and Tavaria's former All Pro and Xavion Howard again, the
third round pick of Justin Wallly unfortunately towards ACL and
(05:05):
now the third round pick in Makai Blackman. Who you
trade a sixth rounder?
Speaker 1 (05:10):
Four?
Speaker 4 (05:10):
I mean, that is a lot of new investment, new
resources into a cornerback room. So some more. Gus Bradley
is raising his hand in the you know, back of
the room saying did you forget about me? When I
was the GM he never got this much? I would
criticize him, but yes, I agree, it's unbelievable how much.
(05:31):
And again I say all of this just to say, man,
Louis Arumo, he's got a loud voice in this personnel,
like Xavion Howard is. I mean the Colts might trot
out two starters in week one purely because Louis Arumo
believes they should be here, Xavion Howard and Joe Bachi
like that is I mean, and I'm fine with that.
(05:54):
Let me be clear up right, and I think you
should cater to the coordinate that you have certainly there, but.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
Well, the first year here man, they are certainly bringing
out some bucks in but if.
Speaker 4 (06:07):
You're going to take a one to eighty systematically, then
you know, And so I guess I bring all that
up to say, what does that mean for the in
house guys that weren't drafted by him? What does that
mean for the in house players that did not join
this team in the last handful of months, you know,
Jalen Carlis and Juju Brintz and you know quit he
pay up front. And again, not all these guys are
(06:29):
in jeopardy of missing the team or anything like that.
Speaker 2 (06:31):
But just as you start more roles, yeah, as.
Speaker 4 (06:34):
You start to yes to find roles, you know, years
go on, assuming that this regime sticks together, those will
all be things to keep an eye on.
Speaker 1 (06:44):
The Other thing, some good news. We've seen Josh Downs
and Nick Cross moving pretty well at practice, and I
think maybe does that indicate they're gonna be ready to
go Week one?
Speaker 2 (06:54):
We have not seen moving at practice.
Speaker 1 (06:56):
I saw a report where they were they were running.
Speaker 2 (06:59):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (07:00):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
Shane Stichen was saying that they're He's hopeful they'll be
back and getting out back in action peer pretty soon.
So I'll be the last time we were at practice.
Kevin correct me if I'm wrong. We hadn't seen them
on the action I have not the same way. It
sounds like that's the game. But yeah, just to clarify there,
it is a positive sign there, Jeff, because you want
to get those guys healthy for your season opener, mainly
because Josh Downs led your team in catches last year
(07:23):
and Nick Cross tied for the team high interceptions last year.
So two big key pieces and also some young players
you're hoping to see another step forward from.
Speaker 1 (07:32):
Yeah, so we keep an eye on West fifty sixth
all day long to see if names start trickling out
throughout the days. Does happen in some places, but the
culture usually pretty good about keeping things close to their vest.
They don't leak a lot over there, do they, Kevin.
Speaker 4 (07:46):
No, I mean they've Yeah, they're they're pretty still trappy
when it comes to, you know, anything along that along
those lines. And typically they've operated in a team that
announces these roster cuts about as late as anybody around
the league. And we've seen this already with I don't know, James,
it seems like a good amount of teams have already
announced whatever five, ten, fifteen cuts, like they've got ahead
(08:06):
of a little bit of this. The Colts have not
announced anything from a you know outright cut.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
Yeah, I will say so. Shout out to Joel A.
Erickson though of Indy Starr. This is his wheelhouse among
other things. I don't want to diminish him to just that,
but he is usually all over these signings, whether it's
right after the draft and they're getting all these undrafted
guys to right now announcing a few of those. So
if you do want to keep up with what's going
on and kind of have like that minute by minute update,
he's somebody that's good to follow on social media and
(08:33):
also to subscribe and watch his work. Read his work
over at Indystar dot com.
Speaker 4 (08:37):
You get nothing official from the team, is no, but
I'm just saying I trust Joel Y's definitely is always
on it.
Speaker 1 (08:44):
We'll keep an eye on that, of course. On over
the weekend, the Colts won the Battle of the second
and third teamers over in Cincinnati. Be down anybody there
that maybe made their way on to the fifty three
man roster or at least solidified themselves as a practic
squad player.
Speaker 4 (09:00):
You know, one debate we had yesterday which I think
we got a little clarity on James was wide receiver
you saw in that game Lawan Treadwell and Coleman Owen,
two very different backgrounds, both were outstanding in that game,
and I think both they're guys the Colts really like.
And so a question that I did have is I
didn't think wide receiver had much debate. I think it
(09:21):
was a pretty clear six throughout the offseason. Michael Pittman Jr.
Alec Pearce, Josh Downs, Ady Mitchell, and then your other two.
I look at Anthony Gould and Doolan, those are your
kick returners. But we did see Ashton Dolan get hurt
in practice last week. Shane sty Can clarified yesterday just
a concussion for Doulan, so something where they expect him
to be back very soon. Because my thought was, all right,
(09:44):
if Dulan has more of a serious injury, do you
then get into debate of Treadwell versus Owen, which I
mean that is an undrafted free agent and Owen versus
tread Well, a former first round pick who's thirty years old.
They're different whiteouts. Owen more of a slot, Treadwall more
of an outside guy, a treadle actually has played a
(10:07):
decent amount of special teams in his NFL career, But
right now I would look at both of those guys
as practice squad players. You know. There was a little
bit of me that thought, you know, could owen and
compete with Anthony Gould, But I don't think I'm quite
there just yet. From a punt return, kick return backup
slot to Josh down standpoint, Yeah, and I know it.
Speaker 1 (10:28):
Was the battle of the second and third teamers, but man,
it was fun to watch the Colts just rack up
some points on somebody at some point, wasn't it.
Speaker 2 (10:34):
Yeah, we were looking up because to give you all
some context, my last story every preseason is that fifty
three man roster projection at the buzzer of the game.
And so, yes, I am watching the game, but not
as intently as I usually am. So every time I
would see the horn go off, or I would see
them kind of getting in the red zone, I'm like, man,
these guys are putting on some points. And so there
was certainly good vibes in the locker room afterwards. I
(10:56):
think you heard from Ry Leonard how much it meant
to him to throw his first touchdown pass in the
NF had some haters of social media telling me he
didn't count. Yes, it does count because I saw it
with my own eyes. And so that was a cool
moment for him if the game ball gave that touchdown
ball rather to his father for his birthday, which just
happened to be Saturday's game. So it was cool and
I enjoyed that locker room afterwards. It's always good after
a win. And then one quick shout out Daniel Scott
(11:19):
been through a lot of injury stuff. You know, I
had missed the year because when Achilles missed another year.
Because when acl comes back, he's healthy, he's a lock
to make the roster for me, Kevin initially, and he
gets a pick six against the Cystanti Bengals and kind
of has a triumphant return moment to the league.
Speaker 4 (11:35):
Yeah, and for me, I you know, I look at
Scott as potentially that third safety, and you know, a
guy that's gonna play a key special teams role for you.
Can I throw a hypothetical value, of course, better chance
Anthony Richardson is traded today or Kurt Signett's Hoosiers make
(11:57):
the final four of the college football playoffs.
Speaker 1 (12:00):
A better chance than Anthony Richardson has traded today. I'm
rolling with AYU you think so?
Speaker 2 (12:07):
Yeah in this situation, yeah, I would got to go
hooing it up.
Speaker 5 (12:10):
I don't.
Speaker 1 (12:10):
I don't think I you. I did see it shut
The final fourth is Shue.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
By the way, when I was walking flying Bison Baby,
I did see a sir when I was walking through
the airport actually get my rental car to go to Cincinnati,
and the woman had on a Who's your Mama's shirt?
I thought that was pretty funny. I hadn't seen that before.
Speaker 5 (12:24):
Look.
Speaker 1 (12:25):
I like Kurt Signette. I like what he's doing in Indiana.
I like what they're going. I don't like their preseason schedule.
I think that it's going to hurt them in in
a world where there are a lot of big time
preseason football games that really bolster other people's resumes.
Speaker 2 (12:37):
Do y'all know how much Chris Ballor loves Anthony Richardson.
He ain't going nowhere. Okay, they love him.
Speaker 1 (12:44):
I think he loved I loved the question. But I
think there's a small chance of either thing.
Speaker 3 (12:49):
I'll take the Hoosiers just because you have a longer
timeline to be wrong. You can be like, I can
wait till December and I'll be wrong in that. Well,
listen to twenty four Hours today.
Speaker 4 (12:58):
Listen to Kurtzignetty talk about Old Onion. Yesterday, you would
have thought they got the seventy two dolphins here in
a week one.
Speaker 1 (13:03):
Well Mark, you were saying that the spread was closer
in that game than you expected me to be.
Speaker 4 (13:07):
What was it, Kevin, say, twenty two or twenty three?
Speaker 3 (13:10):
I don't I don't think it was. I thought it
would be bigger than that.
Speaker 4 (13:13):
Yeah, I would.
Speaker 3 (13:14):
I could be said about a lot.
Speaker 1 (13:15):
I would agree. Yeah, they used that game to get
ready for Kenesaw Stead.
Speaker 4 (13:18):
It's been said to me quite a few times.
Speaker 1 (13:20):
I will. I will continue to pound on that schedule.
It just drives me nuts again. Wanted to play a
couple of cupcakes, certainly, but throw somebody in there before conference.
Oh you're not getting it for the next five years.
Speaker 6 (13:30):
I know.
Speaker 1 (13:31):
See that future is still I know.
Speaker 6 (13:34):
I know.
Speaker 1 (13:35):
The other thing I want to talk about I read
it the other day. I thought it was a fantastic
piece that you wrote about everybody being the blame for
where Anthony Richardson sits at this moment in time. Certainly
he takes the majority of the blame for all the
things that we've documented and talked about, but every step
of the way, the general manager, the coach, the quarterback
coach seemed to have stepped left when they needed to
(13:57):
go right.
Speaker 2 (13:58):
In this situation, I feel like the only person we
have on records saying that they are to blame, at
least to some degree is Chris Ballard. He is on
the record saying, yeah, we shouldn't have started him, We
shouln't have played him. Now, if you want to put
that out there, that's your business. Kept it to yourself,
that's also your business. But at least he has fallen
on the sword a bit. I think with Shane Steichen
(14:20):
and Cam Turner to a degree as well, I have
not really answered for why the development process hasn't gone
the way it's supposed to, and perhapsice the question asked
Jim Bob Couter as well. But for Shane I had
to kind of hammer it a couple times, like what
could you have done? Though it took three questions to
get a non answer, and honestly, if I read it
(14:41):
out loud on air like I did last week, it
wouldn't change anything. None of it really made sense to me.
And then for Cam Turner, you have him saying, well,
you know, we did everything we could. I did everything
that I could. Anthonys worked hard. The consistency just isn't there.
But I'm like, you're supposed to be the developmental guy.
You're supposed to work with this guy day to day.
Why hasn't there been no progress going into his third year.
(15:02):
I'm not saying it's all your fault or all his,
but to again kind of just push it all back
onto Anthony, I think is a bit disingenuous.
Speaker 4 (15:09):
Yeah, maybe we play some audio here in a little bit.
I know, we got Jake Arthur talk some roster cuts
coming up at eight o'clock, we'll begin our college football tour,
if you will, around the state. We'll start in Bloomington
with Zach Osterman in the nine o'clock hour as IU
gets ready for a week one here in the second
season of Kurt Signetty. But you know, Shane yesterday asked
about Anthony Richardson, you know, as there been any doubts
(15:31):
from Anthony about his standing within the franchise, and you're
judging like social media reaction is probably a dangerous game
to play, James.
Speaker 2 (15:43):
Yeah, it always is.
Speaker 4 (15:45):
But I will say this, I can't recall and obviously
there has been iterations of this, but it's been a while,
and why I bring this up. I can't recall the
last time the Colts fan base was this fed up
with with their head coach.
Speaker 1 (16:02):
Yeah to the accept fed up?
Speaker 4 (16:03):
You think fed up, pissed, I I don't know, irritated,
it's fed up, right.
Speaker 5 (16:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (16:12):
I was gonna say, James, go ahead and push back
or agree or whatever.
Speaker 2 (16:16):
But it's social media. I will say that. Like, I
haven't been out on the streets to you.
Speaker 1 (16:21):
But it's a big throng.
Speaker 4 (16:22):
Yeah, And even if talking to people, you know whatever
on the streets are in public, I think people are
generally fed up with And maybe it is the whole
overarching thing of like, well, it's the fact that Ballard's
got a ninth the year, and it's the fact that
Anthony Richardson apparently isn't going to work out. You know,
maybe it's all of it, and now Shane just happens
(16:43):
to be spokesperson. But I just think there is a
general you know, you have used the phrase word salad
a lot and when Shane does speak, oftentimes you walk
away from it being like there was absolutely nothing of
con and I I think it's largely intentional.
Speaker 5 (17:01):
Yeah it is.
Speaker 4 (17:02):
And I think when you couple that with questionable play
on the field, it's a recipe for the fan base
to turn on you in a hurry. And sure, winning
can cure a lot of it, but I think that's
where you're at here on August twenty six.
Speaker 1 (17:16):
He's a football robot.
Speaker 3 (17:17):
So when he doesn't give any answers and it's all
just like emotionless, like football jargon, you're not going to
gain any sort of sympathy from the fan base. They're
gonna be like, okay, enough, Like this is just nothing.
This is you're giving us nothing. You're not showing us
you're a human being. You're just reciting football jargon day
in and day out, and we're sick of it.
Speaker 2 (17:35):
And to Mark's point, I think that's well said. By
the way, Yeah, that's a great point. Honestly, Mark is
probably dealt with that a lot of that with some
of those former bearss match.
Speaker 1 (17:43):
Last season Mark, Mark is an expert in that.
Speaker 2 (17:46):
Yeah, we're gonna say last year, you know in Chicago
was certainly an example of that, and then to kind
of piggyback off that Mark, I mean off that point
from Mark is on Mark from Mark. But you're saying
no thing and haven't produced anything, so it's nothing for nothing.
As we said throughout the break, I think I was
talking to Mark. If Bill Belichick says whatever he says
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for every many years, people just kind of live with
it because he wanted such a high rate, it didn't
matter when you don't win, and you also don't have
an answer for why you haven't worked out. That is
frustrating for a fan base, and I think it kind
of gas lights them too to a certain degree, because
it's like where you're telling us stuff that we clearly
can see isn't the case. And I think the biggest
(18:28):
sources of frustration if I had to guess, and this
isn't me like putting out some official poll, but just
hearing some of the complaints of my mentions on my story.
Even my own personal belief is that there is no
plan beyond this season. The plan is Daniel Jones, but
the plan that you told us and you sold us
on was Anthony Richardson. And like when we are asking
(18:48):
questions about what's next for him. There is no plan.
If there was a plan in that answer that he
gave you yesterday, Kevin, I would like to hear it,
because it wasn't in that whatever many words, that was
seventy five words. He that was just yeah, yeah, yeah,
I got to answer something. Let's get off the zoom call.
But that, to me is the money question going into
tomorrow's press conference with Chris Ballard is what is the plan?
(19:13):
And then secondly, why should anyone believe it? Because the
plans you all have had have not worked out.
Speaker 1 (19:19):
Yeah, we'll keep an eye on all of that and
it'll b mhzy how it does play out. But you
know what, you win those first two games and then
go and get a division of game against Jacksonville I'm sorry,
against the Titans in week three, and people forget all
the things we're talking about today. You know how that works.
Speaker 2 (19:35):
Yeah, But again, like I just said, if you say
nothing and you win, hey, more power to you. But
you can't be the cold who are in my opinion,
no longer not even an opinion, it's a fact they're
no longer the perennial playoff team contender upper quartile, the
Colts that I kind of grew up with as a kid.
This team that I've known throughout most of my adulthood
now as a twenty nine year old, has been bad. Like,
(19:57):
they have not been a good team. They've been irrelevant.
They've been largely irrelevant. And so you can't sit up
there and have these kind of you know, wordless wordy
answers and have not won anything. That's the biggest thing.
Speaker 4 (20:09):
And again I think it is largely intentional by Shane Stykin.
I think he has always walked into a media climate
not wanting to be super transparent. James, think back to
last year. It took him a while to finally offer
transparency on Anthony Richardson's benching. Remember it took about two
weeks before he finally got, oh.
Speaker 2 (20:25):
You mean to tell me when they put him back
in the lineup, and then he said, oh, by the way, yeah,
here's the process.
Speaker 4 (20:30):
Oh yeah, and that statement. And then later in the
year and Steve I think reported on this. The Richardson
camp was really disappointed in the lack of clarity on
Richardson's back injury. You know, Shane talked about the back
injury like, you know, me hurting my back tripping over
with my kids toys, whereas Anthony's like, yeah, I kind
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of crawled to the door the other day. Like again,
it's just a I think it's largely intentional. I think
it's rooted in as crazy as it sounds of some
people competitive advantage disadvantages, which again I know that that
isn't something that totally applies to the Richardson situation, but
I do think that's where it largely comes from here.
And when you aren't winning and you have had inconsistencies
(21:15):
like you've had, it's gonna boil over. But right now,
I just I can't recall the last time there's been
this much pent up frustration and again, fed up apathy,
pissed off everyone to describe it. I think all that
applies right now to where the fan base is at.
Speaker 1 (21:30):
Yeah, and you know I always say this too, all
that stuff from the outside, we're right to talk about
because it's what we see, it's what we observe, it's
what people say. Really at the end of the day,
it's what's going on between the cults and their leadership
group and Anthony Richardson and what is being communicated privately
as to what we're thinking, how are you feeling those
(21:51):
kinds of things. We're not privy to that, but based
on what we see from the outside, it sure looks
like it's topsy turvy up and down and anything can
change at any moment.
Speaker 2 (21:59):
Absolutely Again, if we ask you what is the plan
for the guy you drafted fourth overall two years ago,
and you can't give an answer, at least publicly, at
least a glimpse of an answer that is concerning to me, all.
Speaker 4 (22:12):
Right, like this this tweet here, miklol, I'm actually never
been more tired of hearing someone speak more than I
am of Shane like that general thought. I bet I
got one hundred of those yesterday in regards to that
specific video. So that's just the reality I think of
where a lot of Colts fans are at right now.
Speaker 1 (22:31):
Yeah, all right, coming up in a minute to Jake
Arthur from luckedowncoltsyside dot com get his thoughts on the cults,
getting ready to make some cuts a little bit later
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Speaker 2 (23:02):
Yeah, that was a little distarby, I believe from Lehanna
and Rihanna. Yeah, I feel like I was at a
club or rave or something.
Speaker 1 (23:09):
I like that morning. Yeah, we got a lot going
on today. We'll be talking about the Colts all morning
long as they get ready for cutdown day cuts due
to the NFL by four pm this afternoon. We've been
talking about that for the last hour or so. And
now we are joined by Jake Arthur, who covers the
Colts at SI dot com alo You can hear him
on Lockdown Colts just about anywhere you can download your podcasts,
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and he is live with us right now on the
Paylesslookers hotline. Good morning, Jake. There's a You're just gonna
be looking and reloading the internet all day long, just
going to your favorite web page and just hitting refresh, refresh, refresh.
Speaker 5 (23:44):
That's how it.
Speaker 7 (23:45):
Goes on these days, don't It's especially when the deadlines
are always in the afternoon.
Speaker 5 (23:50):
It's like you kind of just sit and wait and
put out feelers all day.
Speaker 2 (23:55):
So, Jake, when you look at guys who might be
on the bubble, actual, let's start here. What are your
thoughts on the Mackay black Men trade and what that
can mean for some guys in that cornerback room who
may be on the bubble.
Speaker 7 (24:09):
Yeah, I thought that one was interesting. This guy seems
like he's kind of cut from that same justin Whally
Samuel Womack cloth. But the whole group of corners is
kind of in flux, you know, Juju Brinston, Jalen Jones.
This recently came back, but Jones isn't quite ready for
field work. Womack, of course, had that hamstring last week.
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It looks like he was limping around a bit when
we saw him at practice. So I think the riding
on the wall is that at least one of these
guys is expected to be out a little while when
the season starts.
Speaker 5 (24:42):
But I don't black Men.
Speaker 7 (24:44):
I don't think moves the needle like Xavion Howard does.
For example, like Howard already got penciled in as a starter.
Speaker 5 (24:50):
On their depth chart.
Speaker 7 (24:52):
But black Men, you know, he's coming off in acl
last year and hasn't had the strongest summer for the
Vikings with maybe a who you know, maybe not even
going to make the team or really kind of scratching
and calling for reps there. It feels very much like
a Womack thing from last year. I'm guessing he's kind
of insurance and maybe along the lines of like a.
Speaker 5 (25:17):
Third or fourth cornerback.
Speaker 7 (25:20):
But what I thought was really interesting with him is
he's not really got a ton of special teams experience,
so I was kind of curious about that if if
that's they're playing with him, or if he's actually supposed
to get playing time, or what they're going.
Speaker 5 (25:32):
To do there.
Speaker 4 (25:33):
Jack Arthur again, you can find his work locked on
Colts Great, Great Listen and SI. From a written standpoint,
one more on the corner front. You don't believe Juju
Brns is a cut candidate, do you?
Speaker 5 (25:48):
I don't know.
Speaker 7 (25:49):
You know, either of Samuel Wellmack or Juju Brnce. They
don't feel super safe. But if it was me, I'd
probably be more inclined to go with Juju over over Wollmack.
The problem with Juju obviously he's he's been hurt throughout
his first couple of years, but when he's on the field,
he's pretty good. And I think they've been getting him
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trying to get him more reps on special teams to
kind of bring even more valuable value to the team
when he's not out there on defense.
Speaker 5 (26:17):
I would say they would.
Speaker 7 (26:19):
If it's between the two, I would probably lean more
into Juju.
Speaker 5 (26:22):
Brent sticking around.
Speaker 7 (26:25):
Womack, you know, with the injury, and it felt like
he was kind of battling for a spot to begin with.
I mean, you guys were there, you saw the injury
at cornerback. They you know, they gave Jonathan Edwards serious snaps.
They gave Alex Johnson serious snaps.
Speaker 5 (26:42):
Wal Mack was not.
Speaker 7 (26:42):
Always a guy that they just immediately threw right in
there to absorb those first team reps when other guys
went down.
Speaker 4 (26:49):
How about offensively, pass catcher wasn't too difficult for me.
Feel free to go down the Jelaanni Woods route if
you were. If you want to running back a little
bit more of a question given the injuries Tyler Goodson
and Khalil Herbert. But what do you view offensively of
stuff you're curious about with cuts?
Speaker 7 (27:07):
Yeah, I think with Goodson and Herbert, it's certainly that's
that's the big question, because I would think they'd only
keep three running backs. But you don't know to what
degree these guys are injured. Herbert's already been out a
couple of weeks, so he, you know, could be closer returning.
When we talked to Shane yesterday, I couldn't get a
great gauge on Goodson, Like, do you guys feel like
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he was maybe an early ire candidate.
Speaker 5 (27:31):
I mean, it's it sounded like.
Speaker 7 (27:32):
He was expected to be back within the first you know,
handful of weeks there in the regular season.
Speaker 1 (27:39):
Yeah, I didn't.
Speaker 2 (27:40):
Yeah, SOD did speak to Tyler Goodson. He told me
dislocated as left elbow, doesn't need surgery and was hoping
to get back early in the season. Now, I don't
know if that means, you know, he's an higher candidate
or not, but he's seen more games as the cut exactly.
But yeah, he seemed optimistic that he could be out
there within the first month of the season.
Speaker 7 (27:58):
Okay, See, I mean, I mean, if they wanted to
play cautious with him. They could certainly throw him on
ir to begin and then have an extra roster spot there.
But then with the pass catchers, yeah, I think we're
all kind of in the same boat where we've got
Warren Moley, Cox Ogletree and Will Mallory, with Johnny Woods
kind of being the guy on the outside looking in.
I think he kind of accomplished everything he needed to
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this summer, but it just wasn't enough to surpass Will Mallory.
And obviously he's you know, Woods has been going with
the twos and threes all summer.
Speaker 5 (28:29):
Mallory has been with the.
Speaker 7 (28:31):
Ones and twos, so you can kind of obviously tell
what they want there. And he's played a lot in
the preseason as well. If they could get him onto
the practice squad, they'd be great. But seeing as he
was healthy all summer and you know, made some plays,
I've got to imagine another team will probably try and
scoop him off.
Speaker 5 (28:48):
Flavors Uh, Jake.
Speaker 1 (28:51):
This is obviously a roster on defense that's being heavily
influenced by the new defensive coordinator, lou Anarroumo. In that light,
something we've talked about how many linebackers do you see
them even keeping on this roster.
Speaker 5 (29:05):
Yeah, probably not many.
Speaker 7 (29:07):
Definitely fewer than Augus Bradley defense I would have imagined.
And we've obviously kind of probed them about linebackers throughout
the offseason and they just have not really seemed all
that concerned.
Speaker 5 (29:20):
I think I've got them with five.
Speaker 7 (29:24):
Bachie, Franklin, Carlis mcgron, actually four, I guess Aloupi is
a guy that we obviously thought he was probably going
to be competing for, you know, a third linebacker spot
going into the summer.
Speaker 5 (29:37):
But they haven't really been given him all that much.
They've been seeding really all.
Speaker 7 (29:41):
That stuff to Bachie and mcgron and really often the
GK Carlis has been banged up as well. We'll see
how long he's out. I don't think they're going to
keep that many linebackers. There's probably almost never going to
be more than two.
Speaker 5 (29:54):
On the field.
Speaker 7 (29:55):
At the same time, we've seen them be very willing
to to use three safeties on the field at once.
It's kind of affected with Hunter Woller being out for
the year.
Speaker 5 (30:07):
You lose a.
Speaker 7 (30:07):
Little versatility there, But I still think they would be
more apt to use an extra defensive back than they
would be an extra linebacker.
Speaker 2 (30:15):
So, Jake, I believe the last time I saw you, you
were telling me you had some scheduled conflicts and you
might not be able to make Chris Ballace press conference tomorrow.
So now we have you on the show. If you
had to ask him one or two questions in all seriousness,
and I would imagine they will get asked to some
degree from all of us in support of you and
in support of each other, trying to get real answers.
What would those questions be?
Speaker 7 (30:38):
Yeah, I mean, I imagine he's going to spend the first
twenty thirty minutes talking about the quarterback competition, right, Yeah,
I would just I'm just very curious about the validity
of the quarterback competition because I thought, you know, let's
say you thought Daniel Jones and Anthony Richardson was a
wash going through training campus. As how the competition went,
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you know, Anthony I thought showed some growth. Now there's
obviously still some things he needs to improve.
Speaker 5 (31:07):
Hon It's not like he had an.
Speaker 7 (31:08):
Awesome summer, but it looked largely like he accomplished a lot.
Speaker 5 (31:13):
Of the things they wanted him to, and I don't
know how.
Speaker 7 (31:15):
Much more he could have proved, So Daniel Jones getting
the nod with you know, the reasoning mostly being that
he's just got this big mental catalog of stuff that
he's acquired over being a veteran, and he's better.
Speaker 5 (31:31):
At the line and all that. Well, how could Anthony.
Speaker 7 (31:34):
Have possibly you know, made up all that ground over
the course of the summer. It just it kind of
I think a lot of people are questioning how valid
the quarterback competition really was.
Speaker 5 (31:45):
Because what more could Anthony had done and done?
Speaker 7 (31:47):
So that's that's definitely one thing I would be curious about.
And then you know, if if they feel like they
might be playing it safe with Jones, because then I
think you would want Anthony to continue developing if he
was playing so was his base line of play just
not good enough to.
Speaker 5 (32:09):
Be patient for his development throughout the year? Like do
you just think you can get this high four with Daniel.
Speaker 7 (32:16):
Each week of the season that's going to be good
enough to get you into the playoffs? It's I would
just really like to see the look behind the curtain
of what they really think they're ceiling is this year
with Jones.
Speaker 4 (32:28):
And Jake Arthur with us here SI dot com, where
you can find his work locked on. Colt straight listed
him and Zach Kix along with Eric Schultzen Allen think
it a little bit as well as they've expanded their coverage.
Speaker 1 (32:38):
Jake, last one for me.
Speaker 4 (32:39):
I threw this hypothetical with the guys about a half
hour ago. You probably signed a little bit more in
the Notre Dame camp, so I might change it up
a little bit here. Better chance Anthony Richardson is traded
today or Marcus Freeman's Irish win the national title this year?
Speaker 7 (32:57):
Oof, I would say, I would say Irish. You know,
I don't as much as the Colts seem to be
averse to putting all their eggs in anthony basket, I
don't think they want to trade them either. I think
if they did trade him, it would have to be
a team approaching them with like an awesome offer. Because
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we've heard from Chris dog before he wants to He
wants to honor their side of things and keep guys
in the house, you know, let them live out their
contracts and everything. If he's going to trade someone, he
wants it to be a good situation.
Speaker 5 (33:32):
For that player.
Speaker 7 (33:34):
He wants it to be right for the team as well.
He just he's not going to want to give guys
away for nothing. But at the same time, I think
they have kind of honored guys trade requests before. I mean,
there's been guys who have wanted out before, and as
long as it was reasonable and doesn't seem too toxic,
they've honored that.
Speaker 5 (33:51):
So I still don't.
Speaker 7 (33:53):
Really see Anthony being traded because at the same time,
Daniel Jones hasn't had the best bill of health about
his career, so something happens to him suddenly. Rightly, Leonard
is your quarterback, so you know, the Irish being on
the heels of a national title appearance and having the
best running back in the nation.
Speaker 5 (34:11):
You know, quarterback situation seems to be looking up. I
like the Irish. Let's say you, Kevin Well.
Speaker 4 (34:16):
I would agree. Jeff had a very quick audible groan
when I said that hypothetical to you was that your
skepticism of Notre Dame No.
Speaker 1 (34:24):
I felt like we were being warmed up. When you've
originally asked the question about what Indiana make the Final
four this year, and now he's pivoted with you to
an the Dame, and I feel like it was a
long play setup by.
Speaker 4 (34:37):
Kevin is what jac is much more than Notre Dame Phantom.
So just trying to play a little bit more to
Jake Arthur of.
Speaker 5 (34:43):
The appreciate that he's using you.
Speaker 4 (34:48):
Yes, Jake would I would agree with you. I thought
you really said the Richardson part very well. I would agree. Yeah,
it might sound weird to some people, but I don't
get the vibe that, like, you know, this is going
to be whatever any pick at Sam Hal I don't
know some of these quarterbacks that have moved here in
the last couple of days. So yes, I thought that
was very well said.
Speaker 5 (35:08):
Well, I appreciate it.
Speaker 7 (35:10):
I try to speak well for you guys today in
the morning.
Speaker 1 (35:13):
Always going to talk to you and uh as I
said Jake Arthur locked on colts you can find out
anywhere podcasts can be found. You can read his stuff
at SI dot com. We appreciate a few minutes of
your time this morning. We'll be watching the wires with
you all day long.
Speaker 5 (35:28):
Absolutely. Thanks.
Speaker 1 (35:28):
Hello, zach Ostraman joins us. Now you're laughing, but I'm laughing. Yes,
I'm laughing with you, not at you.
Speaker 2 (35:36):
Now, I'm laughing at you.
Speaker 1 (35:38):
Oh wow, Zach, are you laughing this morning? How are
things going for you?
Speaker 5 (35:44):
You got if I'm laughing, But I can't complain.
Speaker 1 (35:47):
Zach Ostraman joins us on the Payless Liquors Hotline cut
Down Day. Any any thing that you think could be
a surprise before it's all said and done.
Speaker 6 (35:58):
Uh, you know, I probably haven't found it closely enough
to be honest.
Speaker 5 (36:01):
I mean from the cutting down.
Speaker 6 (36:06):
Yeah, the cutting down in my sport happens in the
winter for the most part.
Speaker 4 (36:11):
Well, now there's actually a lot of cuts. College athletic
Zach Osmin from the Indie Star. Obviously, I you they're
gonna get ready here Old Dominion coming up this weekend,
Game one of year two of the Signetti era. Let's
just start with the Kurt Signetti personality, Zach. Obviously this
year or last year at this time, you know, he
went above and beyond from a talking standpoint. How would
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you compare the Signetti bravado lead into year one to
what we've heard from him in those media sessions here
leading into year two on the same meter or maybe
not as full throttle.
Speaker 5 (36:45):
Yeah, I mean I've writen about this.
Speaker 6 (36:47):
I think other people have to. I think he's Listen,
there's there's an element to Signetti that that's just his personality,
Like he's not afraid to speak his mind, and he's
you know, he's confident, and he's willing to be sort
of publicly confident. But I don't know that he feels
that he's kind of got to you know, stir the
pot to get it to boil this year the way
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that he did a year ago when he talked about
you know, especially in the preseason, and of course some
of what he says happens during the season, but a
lot more of that if you really think back to
his first twelve months, happens before the season starts in
terms of, you know, maybe just trying to kind of
get his his team on side a little bit more
than that, I think, get his fan base on side,
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get his fan based kind of gended up, and you know,
really sort of you know, kind of believing in the
project and the and the you know, the process and
all those different kinds of things. You know, maybe he
gets his wings clipped a little bit with what he
says on game day before the Notre Dame game, but
then the flip side is he also comes out after
that game and says, hey, listen to better team one.
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You know we got beat good today. That that you know,
he's not afraid to own it basically when when it
goes against him as well. I think I think more
of it is it's him knowing or him having the
confidence that his rosters, certainly, but maybe even more than that,
like its fan base is booster base, you know, his
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athletics department, all those sort of constituencies nobody needs convinced
anymore nobody needs, you know, kind of sparks to life
in the same way because everybody can see what if
they buy into use the cliche the process, what the result.
Speaker 5 (38:27):
Is, Zach.
Speaker 2 (38:28):
Obviously, as you've laid out and in a terfect piece.
I'm sorry. In the Indie Star, the title of it
being Indian football's monticipated season shows historic support. Yet who
just haven't changed. One thing that has changed is the
quarterback position. Fernando Mendoz is now QB one. How much
pressure do you think is on this guy to deliver?
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And also just how good is he because he has
got some NFL rumblings.
Speaker 6 (38:55):
Yeah, I mean, listen, there's there's certainly pressure to deliver.
It's you consider what Indiana got out of the quarterback
position a season ago. But I think that not that
Signetty's the ultimate QV whisper. But if you look at
his recent history, I mean his last four at least
his last four quarterbacks. I don't know if I can
go all the way back to his SCSGMU days, but
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his last four quarterbacks involving transfers, and the first three
were all conference. You know, Toddson Tao was I think
Toddson Tao was Conference Player of the Year, Jordan McLoud
was Conference Player of the Year. Of course, Rourke didn't
quite get there last year, but he was second team
All Big Ten, and he was, you know, certainly considered
one of the best quarterbacks in the Big Ten, if
not in college football last season. And then you take
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Trenanomondza to your point, he comes in with some NFL buzz.
I know, there are some things that you know, particularly
about the way he delivers the ball the NFL scouts like,
I mean, he's the guy that threw the three thousand
yards last season, and that was in front of an
offensive line that allowed forty one sacks.
Speaker 5 (39:56):
So you know, you don't. It's ever that simple, but
there is at.
Speaker 6 (40:02):
Least some element of imagine what he'll do in front
of a better offensive line, maybe with a little bit
more depth at the skill positions as well.
Speaker 5 (40:12):
I think there's there's.
Speaker 6 (40:12):
A lot of belief both in Mendoza and then also
in the process that Kurt Signetti Mike Shanahan who's been
his offensive coordinator for several years now, have to take
their offense and take whatever the you know, sort of
the the underlying principles of how they get the ball
of the perimeter, you know, RPO situations, things like that,
and fit them to a different every different quarterback strengths.
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Because if you go back and look like Jordan McLoud
was a lot more mobile than Curtis Rourke. Of course
we had no idea Rourke was playing on a torn
acl through most of last season. But the point is
that's two different quarterbacks, that's two different ways of getting
offense moving down the field and in the end zone,
and the ultimate result is very very similar. I think there's,
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like I said, belief in Mendoza and some of the
things that maybe he'll be able to again, particularly from
a mobility perspective, that Indiana just wasn't comfortable to it
the for Ork last season. But I also think that
there's there's also just leaf in the process that leads
Indiana to be able to put quarterbacks in really good
positions to succeed.
Speaker 1 (41:16):
Zach Ostman, the Indie Star, joining us here talking about
some college football Indiana. You wrote earlier, I guess last
week that Indiana has become a straw man in the
Cold War over scheduling and the future of the playoff
to its own detriment. Could you expand on that for
us please?
Speaker 4 (41:32):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (41:32):
I mean, basically Indiana has become and this this was
kind of recycled back into the news, and I don't
know how much more we need to hear about it
at this DIF from the SEC side, but I grewubbed
on there and then they don't let things easily in
the South sometimes, and it kind of got recycled back
into the news when the SEC announced it was going
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to move to nine conference games. And essentially Indiana has
that's become in this season maybe goes back to last
season that critics of the way the playoffs is currently
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want to sort of point Indiana say, well, look at
him play anybody a nine. When SEC team is better,
the SEC's that's that it is better. The SEC's process
is better. These are obviously unwinnable arguments because there is
no perfect way to sort of solve them. But Indiana
has kind of become the easy punching bag. And then
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of course that spends forward this summer into the debates
of that Indiana's non conference scheduling philosophy cursing and he said,
he says it SEC media or victim media. He gives
a lot of people.
Speaker 5 (42:47):
Down South riled up. And the point I.
Speaker 6 (42:50):
Was trying to make is essentially Indiana doesn't have to
go on some extreme pr offensive here, but it does
need to recognize that where in the playoff conversation. And
I don't think it's unfair for Indiana to see itself
as a playoff contender. They were literally the playoff last
year until until they get far away from that, until
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they get you know, until their cod starts proving he
can't hack it at that level, which is something Signetti
has roundly sort of disproven across the course of his career.
Indiana has got to think in those terms and with
those ambitions, and if they're going to do that. They've
got to recognize that fair or not perception in college
athletics is the thing, and Ohio State or Michigan's going
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to get a pass that Indiana isn't. And certainly Georgia,
for example, which I believe plays in the non conference
Charlotte Austin p and I'm struggling to remember the third
team that isn't Georgia Tech. You know, certainly the kind
of Indiana is not going to get the pass that
a Georgia is going to get, or you know at all,
miss or whoever. And so the point I was trying
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to make is just Indiana kind of needs to start
fighting its corner a little bit more on this unlessen
you know, some of that is solved naturally, particularly if
particularly just once the game start, because so much of
this is just like we're all desker for college football
and we don't have any yet, and so we're looking
for something to talk about. We're looking for something to
you know, something to sort of satisfy that appetite. But
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if you're Indiana, you know, let's let's say Indiana gets
to selection Sunday in December ten and two and there's
an SEC team there at nine to three, Indiana is
gonna be fighting the perceptions around its history. It's non confidence, schedule,
things like that. There is an ability to kind of
go on the offensive a little bit more, and I
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think Indiana, you know, maybe needs to consider doing that.
But in the same breath, I think everyone recognizes the
thing that speaks loudest as the results in the field.
And if Indiana goes out and let's see, what's city
win ten games, and you know one of them is
win at Iowa, the other ones a really impressive went
home against Illinois, then you know, maybe maybe you read
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the may does speak a little bit more for itself.
It's just it's sort of it's sort of saying, if
Indiana is going to be a playoff contender, and it
has every right to think of itself as one, because
again it was in the playoffs literally nine months ago,
then it needs to act that way when it comes
to public messaging, when it comes to the way that
it defends itself against criticism, all thost different kinds of things.
Speaker 4 (45:29):
It's been a value beat since I was an undergrad
down there. He does great, great work and someone I
admired back in the day. That Zach Ostman from the
Indianapolis Star, Zach, if we could shift gears to basketball,
it's pretty rare, honestly, but welcome to today's day and
age where we ask more football questions in basketball when
it comes to Indiana University Darren Devrees and the Puerto
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Rico trip, grand takeaways, They're going to shoot a bunch
of threes, and maybe some questions about defending teams that
are bigger. Is that too simple of takeaways you think
about the three games down there, Yeah.
Speaker 6 (46:02):
No, I think I mean, listen, I think you could
see Indiana was going to be a much more sort
of three point shooting, bend offense just by both the
region's history and the way that he constructed this roster.
I think I think from Indiana's perspective, there's also again,
if you want to look at the way this roster
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was constructed, there has been since kind of it all
came together a pretty clear sort of hole in the
sort of rim protection and rebounding sort of aspect. Now, listen,
the flip side is you can go too far in
the other direction, and we can argue that maybe Indiana's
done a little bit of that in the last couple
of years that you're never the Blanke's never going to
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cover up over every single potential shortcoming or weakness. You
only get thirteen scholarships in fifteen spots, so you're always
going to have to give and take somewhere. And Indiana,
you know, could do different things to maybe mitigate the
size disadvantage. Of course, there will be nice when the
threes don't fall. I think you saw certainly some of
the excuse me, some of the pace that the Breeze
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talked about that in Puerto Rico. Now that was those
games are played with a twenty four second shot clock,
so they were naturally going to be faster. But you
could just see Indiana really emphasizing not just let's get
the rebound and throw it up the floor as fast
as we can, but more, you know, pace in terms
of multiple bodies getting down the floor, getting into a
you know, a secondary transition offense that's meant to create
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a shot. Even if it's not literally a transition opportunity,
it is it is something that capitalizes on a defense
as disorganization, as it's recovering down the floor to create
another opportunity. I think you see, you know, it's.
Speaker 5 (47:41):
A very experienced team.
Speaker 6 (47:43):
And I know that sounds simplistic, but I think a
lot of people are going to look at them and
you know, kind of I think I think Alas Maskbo
is looking at Indiana as brand new, which is fair
because they haven't spent a lot of time together. But
there is just a lot of pure college ball minutes, games, shots, rebounds, assists,
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whatever on that roster, and so I think you could
see some of that experience manifest itself, especially in those
those two comeback wins. And I think, listen, I mean,
if you want the simplistic way I would, I would
boil it down. It would basically be Indiana should get
as much credit for its comebacks as it should get
criticism for the reasons that it had to come back
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and the ways that it got itself into those holes.
I think, you know, it probably something that maybe we
didn't talk as much about on that trip. I didn't
think Indiana started any of those three games particularly well,
and that's reflected a lot more in the two games
against Mega Supervet. But I think that's that's something that
Dereez has got to kind of think about, because you're
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obviously in a thirty second shot clock World not going
to get the pace of the games to affect that
kind of comeback in the same way. But in general,
I thought you saw some promising things from India. I
thought you recognized too that those games were not Indiana's
greatest priority. I think that at the end of the day,
what Debris wanted out of that tour more than anything
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else was the ten practices leading up where he could
have his whole team on the floor together for full
practices of instruction and installation and you know, just just
working through a lot of different things so that when
the games do start mattering, the terminology is second hand,
the chemistry between players is a lot stronger, and so
(49:30):
I think it's there's also probably an element of trying
not to read too much into those games, because I mean,
it wouldn't shock me if Indiana was at the beach
the morning of, you know, the Saturday game, the Saturday
night game, for example. I don't think Debris was actively
trying to lose the games, but I don't think he
will have wanted the games to be so all consuming
that he didn't get other, you know, benefits, his team
(49:52):
didn't get other benefits from the trip as well, so
you know it was. It was an interesting first look.
I think Indiana still got a lot to improve on,
but I think it gives Debres and his staff a
lot to shoe on, you know, over these next few
weeks as they build up towards the proper preseason.
Speaker 1 (50:08):
A Hi, Zach, thanks so much. Get ready and buckle
yourself in for old Dominion Kennesaw State in Indiana State
over the next three weeks. Good luck, I'll do it.
Speaker 5 (50:18):
Thanks for having me as always
You were listening to the Best of the Fan morning
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Speaker 2 (00:11):
Mark said that like it's a national anthem, like everyone
should know.
Speaker 1 (00:14):
Yes it is. Teenage Mark Dyke didn't love Brittain.
Speaker 3 (00:19):
A music video again, Oh my god, the best video
of all time.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
She was the peak of our game. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (00:26):
A long time ago. A buddy of mine, he was
a salesperson. I was supposed to host a suite at
a Britney Spears concert and he got sick, and so
I had to go fill in. I've never felt more.
I was surrounded by like twelve year old girls around
the entire place. I was just like, oh my god,
(00:46):
I just want to go home and get.
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Out of here.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
I just stayed for the show, but I just I
just remember thinking, this is the one place on planet
Earth I do not belong. Right now, there's.
Speaker 3 (01:01):
So speak for yourself, banger after banger, right, Yeah, I
don't mind Britney Spears.
Speaker 1 (01:07):
I just you know, it was just not my scene,
That's all I'm saying. In the meantime, the scene over
at West fifty sixth will be busy a little bit
later on this afternoon. It's always tough, I know, for
coaches and staff. You bring in a bunch of guys
who've put out their blood, sweat and tears for the
last months, some mom all the way back to all
the workouts, the OTAs and things like that. I know,
(01:28):
it's never easy. Those conversations are probably never fun. And
you know, you try to hopefully a few of these
guys might catch on somewhere else before it's all said
and done. But for a lot of guys, it's tough day.
A dream can go to die today, and that's never fun.
Speaker 4 (01:42):
Sure, Yeah, I mean you're gonna cut what eleven hundred
north of that around the NFL obviously, what sixteen is
sixteen or seventeen? I forget practice squad spots. That is
a big, big number. And as we've talked about for
the last week, you can make damn good money on
the old practice squad. So that is definitely something in
the NFL has tried to increase really ever since the
COVID season, and they've maintained that here. But yeah, definitely,
(02:03):
you know, you see it played out on hard knocks
a whole lot. Yeah, never easy to get the call.
You know, a lot of these guys are telling their
families you don't call me whatsoever today, I will call
you because I do not want that call. And unfortunately
for guys fifty two fifty three, you might celebrate a
little bit tonight and then bam, all of a sudden,
the waiverclaim goes through tomorrow by noon and you're off
the roster. So that's always something that there is some
(02:27):
tinkering with the back end of that roster here for
the next handful of days.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
Well, good morning everyone, welcome into the Fan Morning Show.
If you're just joining us on the way to work
or getting ready for the day, whatever it happens to be,
we appreciate you being here along with James Boyd, Kevin Bowen.
I'm jeff Rickard, Mark Dyton, and yeah, it is cut
down today around the NFL. But late last night, if
you're just joining us, the Colts did bolster again their
cornerback room. They will certainly James have a lot to
(02:53):
choose from before it's all sudden done. Just in terms
of week to week, who's going to be suiting up
for these guys.
Speaker 2 (02:59):
Yeah, I think Kevin laid it out earlier in the
show already. But the top three cornerbacks appear to Beach
Various Ward and Kenny Moore, which are obvious picks on
those two out of the three, and the third one
being Xavin Howard, the former two time All Pro, but
he hasn't plays in twenty twenty three. However, he's getting
first team reps basically his first day here. So those
are the top three. And then they traded for Makay
(03:21):
Blackman of the Minnesota Vikings, a twenty twenty three to
third round pick. Missed all of last year due to
a torn acl that he suffered I believe throughout the
off season, and so he's got something to prove. The
Colts phil they wanted to take a gamble on him
and look at his background, Kevin, I wonder if he
slots in more as like a backup slot guy behind
(03:41):
Kenny Moore, in like that nickel position, which in English
terms for those listening, basically means like the cornerback who
isn't on the outside, the shorter cornerback. You know, Kenny
Moore is more like the tweeter cornerback, and so could
he be a backup to Kenny Moore, or he has
some experience on the outside, could he challenge for an
outside spot. So a lot of questions to be had
and hopefully we get some answers here in a few hours.
Speaker 4 (04:02):
Yeah, when I saw the trade, I thought, yes, I
would agree with you, James. That was my first inkling.
And then I was curious too, how much special teams
background does he have? And he really doesn't have any
in the NFL. I think he played two special team
snaps his entire rookie year and given his height five
to eleven. Yeah, I thought a little bit more of
(04:23):
the slot background, but it actually sounds like he is
more of an outside corner. And now we'll see maybe
the Colts think he can play inside a little bit.
Nothing like a nice little Chris Baward Ryan Grigson trade
that we got last night there. But yeah, I mean,
I'll go back to kind of what I said to
lead off the show. I cannot recall a position group
in the history of Chris Boward's nine years as GM
(04:45):
of the Colts that has gotten this much attention in
one offseason. And again, it's not like you lost anybody
of note from last year. You bring back your top
four snap guys from last season, so former All Pro
and Tavaria's former All Pro and Xavion Howard again, the
third round pick of Justin Wallly unfortunately towards ACL and
(05:05):
now the third round pick in Makai Blackman. Who you
trade a sixth rounder?
Speaker 1 (05:10):
Four?
Speaker 4 (05:10):
I mean, that is a lot of new investment, new
resources into a cornerback room. So some more. Gus Bradley
is raising his hand in the you know, back of
the room saying did you forget about me? When I
was the GM he never got this much? I would
criticize him, but yes, I agree, it's unbelievable how much.
(05:31):
And again I say all of this just to say, man,
Louis Arumo, he's got a loud voice in this personnel,
like Xavion Howard is. I mean the Colts might trot
out two starters in week one purely because Louis Arumo
believes they should be here, Xavion Howard and Joe Bachi
like that is I mean, and I'm fine with that.
(05:54):
Let me be clear up right, and I think you
should cater to the coordinate that you have certainly there, but.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
Well, the first year here man, they are certainly bringing
out some bucks in but if.
Speaker 4 (06:07):
You're going to take a one to eighty systematically, then
you know, And so I guess I bring all that
up to say, what does that mean for the in
house guys that weren't drafted by him? What does that
mean for the in house players that did not join
this team in the last handful of months, you know,
Jalen Carlis and Juju Brintz and you know quit he
pay up front. And again, not all these guys are
(06:29):
in jeopardy of missing the team or anything like that.
Speaker 2 (06:31):
But just as you start more roles, yeah, as.
Speaker 4 (06:34):
You start to yes to find roles, you know, years
go on, assuming that this regime sticks together, those will
all be things to keep an eye on.
Speaker 1 (06:44):
The Other thing, some good news. We've seen Josh Downs
and Nick Cross moving pretty well at practice, and I
think maybe does that indicate they're gonna be ready to
go Week one?
Speaker 2 (06:54):
We have not seen moving at practice.
Speaker 1 (06:56):
I saw a report where they were they were running.
Speaker 2 (06:59):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (07:00):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
Shane Stichen was saying that they're He's hopeful they'll be
back and getting out back in action peer pretty soon.
So I'll be the last time we were at practice.
Kevin correct me if I'm wrong. We hadn't seen them
on the action I have not the same way. It
sounds like that's the game. But yeah, just to clarify there,
it is a positive sign there, Jeff, because you want
to get those guys healthy for your season opener, mainly
because Josh Downs led your team in catches last year
(07:23):
and Nick Cross tied for the team high interceptions last year.
So two big key pieces and also some young players
you're hoping to see another step forward from.
Speaker 1 (07:32):
Yeah, so we keep an eye on West fifty sixth
all day long to see if names start trickling out
throughout the days. Does happen in some places, but the
culture usually pretty good about keeping things close to their vest.
They don't leak a lot over there, do they, Kevin.
Speaker 4 (07:46):
No, I mean they've Yeah, they're they're pretty still trappy
when it comes to, you know, anything along that along
those lines. And typically they've operated in a team that
announces these roster cuts about as late as anybody around
the league. And we've seen this already with I don't know, James,
it seems like a good amount of teams have already
announced whatever five, ten, fifteen cuts, like they've got ahead
(08:06):
of a little bit of this. The Colts have not
announced anything from a you know outright cut.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
Yeah, I will say so. Shout out to Joel A.
Erickson though of Indy Starr. This is his wheelhouse among
other things. I don't want to diminish him to just that,
but he is usually all over these signings, whether it's
right after the draft and they're getting all these undrafted
guys to right now announcing a few of those. So
if you do want to keep up with what's going
on and kind of have like that minute by minute update,
he's somebody that's good to follow on social media and
(08:33):
also to subscribe and watch his work. Read his work
over at Indystar dot com.
Speaker 4 (08:37):
You get nothing official from the team, is no, but
I'm just saying I trust Joel Y's definitely is always
on it.
Speaker 1 (08:44):
We'll keep an eye on that, of course. On over
the weekend, the Colts won the Battle of the second
and third teamers over in Cincinnati. Be down anybody there
that maybe made their way on to the fifty three
man roster or at least solidified themselves as a practic
squad player.
Speaker 4 (09:00):
You know, one debate we had yesterday which I think
we got a little clarity on James was wide receiver
you saw in that game Lawan Treadwell and Coleman Owen,
two very different backgrounds, both were outstanding in that game,
and I think both they're guys the Colts really like.
And so a question that I did have is I
didn't think wide receiver had much debate. I think it
(09:21):
was a pretty clear six throughout the offseason. Michael Pittman Jr.
Alec Pearce, Josh Downs, Ady Mitchell, and then your other two.
I look at Anthony Gould and Doolan, those are your
kick returners. But we did see Ashton Dolan get hurt
in practice last week. Shane sty Can clarified yesterday just
a concussion for Doulan, so something where they expect him
to be back very soon. Because my thought was, all right,
(09:44):
if Dulan has more of a serious injury, do you
then get into debate of Treadwell versus Owen, which I
mean that is an undrafted free agent and Owen versus
tread Well, a former first round pick who's thirty years old.
They're different whiteouts. Owen more of a slot, Treadwall more
of an outside guy, a treadle actually has played a
(10:07):
decent amount of special teams in his NFL career, But
right now I would look at both of those guys
as practice squad players. You know. There was a little
bit of me that thought, you know, could owen and
compete with Anthony Gould, But I don't think I'm quite
there just yet. From a punt return, kick return backup
slot to Josh down standpoint, Yeah, and I know it.
Speaker 1 (10:28):
Was the battle of the second and third teamers, but man,
it was fun to watch the Colts just rack up
some points on somebody at some point, wasn't it.
Speaker 2 (10:34):
Yeah, we were looking up because to give you all
some context, my last story every preseason is that fifty
three man roster projection at the buzzer of the game.
And so, yes, I am watching the game, but not
as intently as I usually am. So every time I
would see the horn go off, or I would see
them kind of getting in the red zone, I'm like, man,
these guys are putting on some points. And so there
was certainly good vibes in the locker room afterwards. I
(10:56):
think you heard from Ry Leonard how much it meant
to him to throw his first touchdown pass in the
NF had some haters of social media telling me he
didn't count. Yes, it does count because I saw it
with my own eyes. And so that was a cool
moment for him if the game ball gave that touchdown
ball rather to his father for his birthday, which just
happened to be Saturday's game. So it was cool and
I enjoyed that locker room afterwards. It's always good after
a win. And then one quick shout out Daniel Scott
(11:19):
been through a lot of injury stuff. You know, I
had missed the year because when Achilles missed another year.
Because when acl comes back, he's healthy, he's a lock
to make the roster for me, Kevin initially, and he
gets a pick six against the Cystanti Bengals and kind
of has a triumphant return moment to the league.
Speaker 4 (11:35):
Yeah, and for me, I you know, I look at
Scott as potentially that third safety, and you know, a
guy that's gonna play a key special teams role for you.
Can I throw a hypothetical value, of course, better chance
Anthony Richardson is traded today or Kurt Signett's Hoosiers make
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the final four of the college football playoffs.
Speaker 1 (12:00):
A better chance than Anthony Richardson has traded today. I'm
rolling with AYU you think so?
Speaker 2 (12:07):
Yeah in this situation, yeah, I would got to go
hooing it up.
Speaker 5 (12:10):
I don't.
Speaker 1 (12:10):
I don't think I you. I did see it shut
The final fourth is Shue.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
By the way, when I was walking flying Bison Baby,
I did see a sir when I was walking through
the airport actually get my rental car to go to Cincinnati,
and the woman had on a Who's your Mama's shirt?
I thought that was pretty funny. I hadn't seen that before.
Speaker 5 (12:24):
Look.
Speaker 1 (12:25):
I like Kurt Signette. I like what he's doing in Indiana.
I like what they're going. I don't like their preseason schedule.
I think that it's going to hurt them in in
a world where there are a lot of big time
preseason football games that really bolster other people's resumes.
Speaker 2 (12:37):
Do y'all know how much Chris Ballor loves Anthony Richardson.
He ain't going nowhere. Okay, they love him.
Speaker 1 (12:44):
I think he loved I loved the question. But I
think there's a small chance of either thing.
Speaker 3 (12:49):
I'll take the Hoosiers just because you have a longer
timeline to be wrong. You can be like, I can
wait till December and I'll be wrong in that. Well,
listen to twenty four Hours today.
Speaker 4 (12:58):
Listen to Kurtzignetty talk about Old Onion. Yesterday, you would
have thought they got the seventy two dolphins here in
a week one.
Speaker 1 (13:03):
Well Mark, you were saying that the spread was closer
in that game than you expected me to be.
Speaker 4 (13:07):
What was it, Kevin, say, twenty two or twenty three?
Speaker 3 (13:10):
I don't I don't think it was. I thought it
would be bigger than that.
Speaker 4 (13:13):
Yeah, I would.
Speaker 3 (13:14):
I could be said about a lot.
Speaker 1 (13:15):
I would agree. Yeah, they used that game to get
ready for Kenesaw Stead.
Speaker 4 (13:18):
It's been said to me quite a few times.
Speaker 1 (13:20):
I will. I will continue to pound on that schedule.
It just drives me nuts again. Wanted to play a
couple of cupcakes, certainly, but throw somebody in there before conference.
Oh you're not getting it for the next five years.
Speaker 6 (13:30):
I know.
Speaker 1 (13:31):
See that future is still I know.
Speaker 6 (13:34):
I know.
Speaker 1 (13:35):
The other thing I want to talk about I read
it the other day. I thought it was a fantastic
piece that you wrote about everybody being the blame for
where Anthony Richardson sits at this moment in time. Certainly
he takes the majority of the blame for all the
things that we've documented and talked about, but every step
of the way, the general manager, the coach, the quarterback
coach seemed to have stepped left when they needed to
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go right.
Speaker 2 (13:58):
In this situation, I feel like the only person we
have on records saying that they are to blame, at
least to some degree is Chris Ballard. He is on
the record saying, yeah, we shouldn't have started him, We
shouln't have played him. Now, if you want to put
that out there, that's your business. Kept it to yourself,
that's also your business. But at least he has fallen
on the sword a bit. I think with Shane Steichen
(14:20):
and Cam Turner to a degree as well, I have
not really answered for why the development process hasn't gone
the way it's supposed to, and perhapsice the question asked
Jim Bob Couter as well. But for Shane I had
to kind of hammer it a couple times, like what
could you have done? Though it took three questions to
get a non answer, and honestly, if I read it
(14:41):
out loud on air like I did last week, it
wouldn't change anything. None of it really made sense to me.
And then for Cam Turner, you have him saying, well,
you know, we did everything we could. I did everything
that I could. Anthonys worked hard. The consistency just isn't there.
But I'm like, you're supposed to be the developmental guy.
You're supposed to work with this guy day to day.
Why hasn't there been no progress going into his third year.
(15:02):
I'm not saying it's all your fault or all his,
but to again kind of just push it all back
onto Anthony, I think is a bit disingenuous.
Speaker 4 (15:09):
Yeah, maybe we play some audio here in a little bit.
I know, we got Jake Arthur talk some roster cuts
coming up at eight o'clock, we'll begin our college football tour,
if you will, around the state. We'll start in Bloomington
with Zach Osterman in the nine o'clock hour as IU
gets ready for a week one here in the second
season of Kurt Signetty. But you know, Shane yesterday asked
about Anthony Richardson, you know, as there been any doubts
(15:31):
from Anthony about his standing within the franchise, and you're
judging like social media reaction is probably a dangerous game
to play, James.
Speaker 2 (15:43):
Yeah, it always is.
Speaker 4 (15:45):
But I will say this, I can't recall and obviously
there has been iterations of this, but it's been a while,
and why I bring this up. I can't recall the
last time the Colts fan base was this fed up
with with their head coach.
Speaker 1 (16:02):
Yeah to the accept fed up?
Speaker 4 (16:03):
You think fed up, pissed, I I don't know, irritated,
it's fed up, right.
Speaker 5 (16:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (16:12):
I was gonna say, James, go ahead and push back
or agree or whatever.
Speaker 2 (16:16):
But it's social media. I will say that. Like, I
haven't been out on the streets to you.
Speaker 1 (16:21):
But it's a big throng.
Speaker 4 (16:22):
Yeah, And even if talking to people, you know whatever
on the streets are in public, I think people are
generally fed up with And maybe it is the whole
overarching thing of like, well, it's the fact that Ballard's
got a ninth the year, and it's the fact that
Anthony Richardson apparently isn't going to work out. You know,
maybe it's all of it, and now Shane just happens
(16:43):
to be spokesperson. But I just think there is a
general you know, you have used the phrase word salad
a lot and when Shane does speak, oftentimes you walk
away from it being like there was absolutely nothing of
con and I I think it's largely intentional.
Speaker 5 (17:01):
Yeah it is.
Speaker 4 (17:02):
And I think when you couple that with questionable play
on the field, it's a recipe for the fan base
to turn on you in a hurry. And sure, winning
can cure a lot of it, but I think that's
where you're at here on August twenty six.
Speaker 1 (17:16):
He's a football robot.
Speaker 3 (17:17):
So when he doesn't give any answers and it's all
just like emotionless, like football jargon, you're not going to
gain any sort of sympathy from the fan base. They're
gonna be like, okay, enough, Like this is just nothing.
This is you're giving us nothing. You're not showing us
you're a human being. You're just reciting football jargon day
in and day out, and we're sick of it.
Speaker 2 (17:35):
And to Mark's point, I think that's well said. By
the way, Yeah, that's a great point. Honestly, Mark is
probably dealt with that a lot of that with some
of those former bearss match.
Speaker 1 (17:43):
Last season Mark, Mark is an expert in that.
Speaker 2 (17:46):
Yeah, we're gonna say last year, you know in Chicago
was certainly an example of that, and then to kind
of piggyback off that Mark, I mean off that point
from Mark is on Mark from Mark. But you're saying
no thing and haven't produced anything, so it's nothing for nothing.
As we said throughout the break, I think I was
talking to Mark. If Bill Belichick says whatever he says
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for every many years, people just kind of live with
it because he wanted such a high rate, it didn't
matter when you don't win, and you also don't have
an answer for why you haven't worked out. That is
frustrating for a fan base, and I think it kind
of gas lights them too to a certain degree, because
it's like where you're telling us stuff that we clearly
can see isn't the case. And I think the biggest
(18:28):
sources of frustration if I had to guess, and this
isn't me like putting out some official poll, but just
hearing some of the complaints of my mentions on my story.
Even my own personal belief is that there is no
plan beyond this season. The plan is Daniel Jones, but
the plan that you told us and you sold us
on was Anthony Richardson. And like when we are asking
(18:48):
questions about what's next for him. There is no plan.
If there was a plan in that answer that he
gave you yesterday, Kevin, I would like to hear it,
because it wasn't in that whatever many words, that was
seventy five words. He that was just yeah, yeah, yeah,
I got to answer something. Let's get off the zoom call.
But that, to me is the money question going into
tomorrow's press conference with Chris Ballard is what is the plan?
(19:13):
And then secondly, why should anyone believe it? Because the
plans you all have had have not worked out.
Speaker 1 (19:19):
Yeah, we'll keep an eye on all of that and
it'll b mhzy how it does play out. But you
know what, you win those first two games and then
go and get a division of game against Jacksonville I'm sorry,
against the Titans in week three, and people forget all
the things we're talking about today. You know how that works.
Speaker 2 (19:35):
Yeah, But again, like I just said, if you say
nothing and you win, hey, more power to you. But
you can't be the cold who are in my opinion,
no longer not even an opinion, it's a fact they're
no longer the perennial playoff team contender upper quartile, the
Colts that I kind of grew up with as a kid.
This team that I've known throughout most of my adulthood
now as a twenty nine year old, has been bad. Like,
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they have not been a good team. They've been irrelevant.
They've been largely irrelevant. And so you can't sit up
there and have these kind of you know, wordless wordy
answers and have not won anything. That's the biggest thing.
Speaker 4 (20:09):
And again I think it is largely intentional by Shane Stykin.
I think he has always walked into a media climate
not wanting to be super transparent. James, think back to
last year. It took him a while to finally offer
transparency on Anthony Richardson's benching. Remember it took about two
weeks before he finally got, oh.
Speaker 2 (20:25):
You mean to tell me when they put him back
in the lineup, and then he said, oh, by the way, yeah,
here's the process.
Speaker 4 (20:30):
Oh yeah, and that statement. And then later in the
year and Steve I think reported on this. The Richardson
camp was really disappointed in the lack of clarity on
Richardson's back injury. You know, Shane talked about the back
injury like, you know, me hurting my back tripping over
with my kids toys, whereas Anthony's like, yeah, I kind
(20:50):
of crawled to the door the other day. Like again,
it's just a I think it's largely intentional. I think
it's rooted in as crazy as it sounds of some
people competitive advantage disadvantages, which again I know that that
isn't something that totally applies to the Richardson situation, but
I do think that's where it largely comes from here.
And when you aren't winning and you have had inconsistencies
(21:15):
like you've had, it's gonna boil over. But right now,
I just I can't recall the last time there's been
this much pent up frustration and again, fed up apathy,
pissed off everyone to describe it. I think all that
applies right now to where the fan base is at.
Speaker 1 (21:30):
Yeah, and you know I always say this too, all
that stuff from the outside, we're right to talk about
because it's what we see, it's what we observe, it's
what people say. Really at the end of the day,
it's what's going on between the cults and their leadership
group and Anthony Richardson and what is being communicated privately
as to what we're thinking, how are you feeling those
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kinds of things. We're not privy to that, but based
on what we see from the outside, it sure looks
like it's topsy turvy up and down and anything can
change at any moment.
Speaker 2 (21:59):
Absolutely Again, if we ask you what is the plan
for the guy you drafted fourth overall two years ago,
and you can't give an answer, at least publicly, at
least a glimpse of an answer that is concerning to me, all.
Speaker 4 (22:12):
Right, like this this tweet here, miklol, I'm actually never
been more tired of hearing someone speak more than I
am of Shane like that general thought. I bet I
got one hundred of those yesterday in regards to that
specific video. So that's just the reality I think of
where a lot of Colts fans are at right now.
Speaker 1 (22:31):
Yeah, all right, coming up in a minute to Jake
Arthur from luckedowncoltsyside dot com get his thoughts on the cults,
getting ready to make some cuts a little bit later
on today the state of the franchise in general. We'll
do it next and we'll start to take a look
at some of your texts throughout the course of the
morning as well, they're coming in fast and furious at
two three nine, ten seventy. It's all straight ahead at
ninety three five what I was seven five? Good morning,
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and thank you for joining us wherever you may be.
If you're up and dancing the meal, the music is
moving you like James Boy, love to see it.
Speaker 2 (23:02):
Yeah, that was a little distarby, I believe from Lehanna
and Rihanna. Yeah, I feel like I was at a
club or rave or something.
Speaker 1 (23:09):
I like that morning. Yeah, we got a lot going
on today. We'll be talking about the Colts all morning
long as they get ready for cutdown day cuts due
to the NFL by four pm this afternoon. We've been
talking about that for the last hour or so. And
now we are joined by Jake Arthur, who covers the
Colts at SI dot com alo You can hear him
on Lockdown Colts just about anywhere you can download your podcasts,
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and he is live with us right now on the
Paylesslookers hotline. Good morning, Jake. There's a You're just gonna
be looking and reloading the internet all day long, just
going to your favorite web page and just hitting refresh, refresh, refresh.
Speaker 5 (23:44):
That's how it.
Speaker 7 (23:45):
Goes on these days, don't It's especially when the deadlines
are always in the afternoon.
Speaker 5 (23:50):
It's like you kind of just sit and wait and
put out feelers all day.
Speaker 2 (23:55):
So, Jake, when you look at guys who might be
on the bubble, actual, let's start here. What are your
thoughts on the Mackay black Men trade and what that
can mean for some guys in that cornerback room who
may be on the bubble.
Speaker 7 (24:09):
Yeah, I thought that one was interesting. This guy seems
like he's kind of cut from that same justin Whally
Samuel Womack cloth. But the whole group of corners is
kind of in flux, you know, Juju Brinston, Jalen Jones.
This recently came back, but Jones isn't quite ready for
field work. Womack, of course, had that hamstring last week.
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It looks like he was limping around a bit when
we saw him at practice. So I think the riding
on the wall is that at least one of these
guys is expected to be out a little while when
the season starts.
Speaker 5 (24:42):
But I don't black Men.
Speaker 7 (24:44):
I don't think moves the needle like Xavion Howard does.
For example, like Howard already got penciled in as a starter.
Speaker 5 (24:50):
On their depth chart.
Speaker 7 (24:52):
But black Men, you know, he's coming off in acl
last year and hasn't had the strongest summer for the
Vikings with maybe a who you know, maybe not even
going to make the team or really kind of scratching
and calling for reps there. It feels very much like
a Womack thing from last year. I'm guessing he's kind
of insurance and maybe along the lines of like a.
Speaker 5 (25:17):
Third or fourth cornerback.
Speaker 7 (25:20):
But what I thought was really interesting with him is
he's not really got a ton of special teams experience,
so I was kind of curious about that if if
that's they're playing with him, or if he's actually supposed
to get playing time, or what they're going.
Speaker 5 (25:32):
To do there.
Speaker 4 (25:33):
Jack Arthur again, you can find his work locked on
Colts Great, Great Listen and SI. From a written standpoint,
one more on the corner front. You don't believe Juju
Brns is a cut candidate, do you?
Speaker 5 (25:48):
I don't know.
Speaker 7 (25:49):
You know, either of Samuel Wellmack or Juju Brnce. They
don't feel super safe. But if it was me, I'd
probably be more inclined to go with Juju over over Wollmack.
The problem with Juju obviously he's he's been hurt throughout
his first couple of years, but when he's on the field,
he's pretty good. And I think they've been getting him
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trying to get him more reps on special teams to
kind of bring even more valuable value to the team
when he's not out there on defense.
Speaker 5 (26:17):
I would say they would.
Speaker 7 (26:19):
If it's between the two, I would probably lean more
into Juju.
Speaker 5 (26:22):
Brent sticking around.
Speaker 7 (26:25):
Womack, you know, with the injury, and it felt like
he was kind of battling for a spot to begin with.
I mean, you guys were there, you saw the injury
at cornerback. They you know, they gave Jonathan Edwards serious snaps.
They gave Alex Johnson serious snaps.
Speaker 5 (26:42):
Wal Mack was not.
Speaker 7 (26:42):
Always a guy that they just immediately threw right in
there to absorb those first team reps when other guys
went down.
Speaker 4 (26:49):
How about offensively, pass catcher wasn't too difficult for me.
Feel free to go down the Jelaanni Woods route if
you were. If you want to running back a little
bit more of a question given the injuries Tyler Goodson
and Khalil Herbert. But what do you view offensively of
stuff you're curious about with cuts?
Speaker 7 (27:07):
Yeah, I think with Goodson and Herbert, it's certainly that's
that's the big question, because I would think they'd only
keep three running backs. But you don't know to what
degree these guys are injured. Herbert's already been out a
couple of weeks, so he, you know, could be closer returning.
When we talked to Shane yesterday, I couldn't get a
great gauge on Goodson, Like, do you guys feel like
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he was maybe an early ire candidate.
Speaker 5 (27:31):
I mean, it's it sounded like.
Speaker 7 (27:32):
He was expected to be back within the first you know,
handful of weeks there in the regular season.
Speaker 1 (27:39):
Yeah, I didn't.
Speaker 2 (27:40):
Yeah, SOD did speak to Tyler Goodson. He told me
dislocated as left elbow, doesn't need surgery and was hoping
to get back early in the season. Now, I don't
know if that means, you know, he's an higher candidate
or not, but he's seen more games as the cut exactly.
But yeah, he seemed optimistic that he could be out
there within the first month of the season.
Speaker 7 (27:58):
Okay, See, I mean, I mean, if they wanted to
play cautious with him. They could certainly throw him on
ir to begin and then have an extra roster spot there.
But then with the pass catchers, yeah, I think we're
all kind of in the same boat where we've got
Warren Moley, Cox Ogletree and Will Mallory, with Johnny Woods
kind of being the guy on the outside looking in.
I think he kind of accomplished everything he needed to
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this summer, but it just wasn't enough to surpass Will Mallory.
And obviously he's you know, Woods has been going with
the twos and threes all summer.
Speaker 5 (28:29):
Mallory has been with the.
Speaker 7 (28:31):
Ones and twos, so you can kind of obviously tell
what they want there. And he's played a lot in
the preseason as well. If they could get him onto
the practice squad, they'd be great. But seeing as he
was healthy all summer and you know, made some plays,
I've got to imagine another team will probably try and
scoop him off.
Speaker 5 (28:48):
Flavors Uh, Jake.
Speaker 1 (28:51):
This is obviously a roster on defense that's being heavily
influenced by the new defensive coordinator, lou Anarroumo. In that light,
something we've talked about how many linebackers do you see
them even keeping on this roster.
Speaker 5 (29:05):
Yeah, probably not many.
Speaker 7 (29:07):
Definitely fewer than Augus Bradley defense I would have imagined.
And we've obviously kind of probed them about linebackers throughout
the offseason and they just have not really seemed all
that concerned.
Speaker 5 (29:20):
I think I've got them with five.
Speaker 7 (29:24):
Bachie, Franklin, Carlis mcgron, actually four, I guess Aloupi is
a guy that we obviously thought he was probably going
to be competing for, you know, a third linebacker spot
going into the summer.
Speaker 5 (29:37):
But they haven't really been given him all that much.
They've been seeding really all.
Speaker 7 (29:41):
That stuff to Bachie and mcgron and really often the
GK Carlis has been banged up as well. We'll see
how long he's out. I don't think they're going to
keep that many linebackers. There's probably almost never going to
be more than two.
Speaker 5 (29:54):
On the field.
Speaker 7 (29:55):
At the same time, we've seen them be very willing
to to use three safeties on the field at once.
It's kind of affected with Hunter Woller being out for
the year.
Speaker 5 (30:07):
You lose a.
Speaker 7 (30:07):
Little versatility there, But I still think they would be
more apt to use an extra defensive back than they
would be an extra linebacker.
Speaker 2 (30:15):
So, Jake, I believe the last time I saw you, you
were telling me you had some scheduled conflicts and you
might not be able to make Chris Ballace press conference tomorrow.
So now we have you on the show. If you
had to ask him one or two questions in all seriousness,
and I would imagine they will get asked to some
degree from all of us in support of you and
in support of each other, trying to get real answers.
What would those questions be?
Speaker 7 (30:38):
Yeah, I mean, I imagine he's going to spend the first
twenty thirty minutes talking about the quarterback competition, right, Yeah,
I would just I'm just very curious about the validity
of the quarterback competition because I thought, you know, let's
say you thought Daniel Jones and Anthony Richardson was a
wash going through training campus. As how the competition went,
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you know, Anthony I thought showed some growth. Now there's
obviously still some things he needs to improve.
Speaker 5 (31:07):
Hon It's not like he had an.
Speaker 7 (31:08):
Awesome summer, but it looked largely like he accomplished a lot.
Speaker 5 (31:13):
Of the things they wanted him to, and I don't
know how.
Speaker 7 (31:15):
Much more he could have proved, So Daniel Jones getting
the nod with you know, the reasoning mostly being that
he's just got this big mental catalog of stuff that
he's acquired over being a veteran, and he's better.
Speaker 5 (31:31):
At the line and all that. Well, how could Anthony.
Speaker 7 (31:34):
Have possibly you know, made up all that ground over
the course of the summer. It just it kind of
I think a lot of people are questioning how valid
the quarterback competition really was.
Speaker 5 (31:45):
Because what more could Anthony had done and done?
Speaker 7 (31:47):
So that's that's definitely one thing I would be curious about.
And then you know, if if they feel like they
might be playing it safe with Jones, because then I
think you would want Anthony to continue developing if he
was playing so was his base line of play just
not good enough to.
Speaker 5 (32:09):
Be patient for his development throughout the year? Like do
you just think you can get this high four with Daniel.
Speaker 7 (32:16):
Each week of the season that's going to be good
enough to get you into the playoffs? It's I would
just really like to see the look behind the curtain
of what they really think they're ceiling is this year
with Jones.
Speaker 4 (32:28):
And Jake Arthur with us here SI dot com, where
you can find his work locked on. Colt straight listed
him and Zach Kix along with Eric Schultzen Allen think
it a little bit as well as they've expanded their coverage.
Speaker 1 (32:38):
Jake, last one for me.
Speaker 4 (32:39):
I threw this hypothetical with the guys about a half
hour ago. You probably signed a little bit more in
the Notre Dame camp, so I might change it up
a little bit here. Better chance Anthony Richardson is traded
today or Marcus Freeman's Irish win the national title this year?
Speaker 7 (32:57):
Oof, I would say, I would say Irish. You know,
I don't as much as the Colts seem to be
averse to putting all their eggs in anthony basket, I
don't think they want to trade them either. I think
if they did trade him, it would have to be
a team approaching them with like an awesome offer. Because
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we've heard from Chris dog before he wants to He
wants to honor their side of things and keep guys
in the house, you know, let them live out their
contracts and everything. If he's going to trade someone, he
wants it to be a good situation.
Speaker 5 (33:32):
For that player.
Speaker 7 (33:34):
He wants it to be right for the team as well.
He just he's not going to want to give guys
away for nothing. But at the same time, I think
they have kind of honored guys trade requests before. I mean,
there's been guys who have wanted out before, and as
long as it was reasonable and doesn't seem too toxic,
they've honored that.
Speaker 5 (33:51):
So I still don't.
Speaker 7 (33:53):
Really see Anthony being traded because at the same time,
Daniel Jones hasn't had the best bill of health about
his career, so something happens to him suddenly. Rightly, Leonard
is your quarterback, so you know, the Irish being on
the heels of a national title appearance and having the
best running back in the nation.
Speaker 5 (34:11):
You know, quarterback situation seems to be looking up. I
like the Irish. Let's say you, Kevin Well.
Speaker 4 (34:16):
I would agree. Jeff had a very quick audible groan
when I said that hypothetical to you was that your
skepticism of Notre Dame No.
Speaker 1 (34:24):
I felt like we were being warmed up. When you've
originally asked the question about what Indiana make the Final
four this year, and now he's pivoted with you to
an the Dame, and I feel like it was a
long play setup by.
Speaker 4 (34:37):
Kevin is what jac is much more than Notre Dame Phantom.
So just trying to play a little bit more to
Jake Arthur of.
Speaker 5 (34:43):
The appreciate that he's using you.
Speaker 4 (34:48):
Yes, Jake would I would agree with you. I thought
you really said the Richardson part very well. I would agree. Yeah,
it might sound weird to some people, but I don't
get the vibe that, like, you know, this is going
to be whatever any pick at Sam Hal I don't
know some of these quarterbacks that have moved here in
the last couple of days. So yes, I thought that
was very well said.
Speaker 5 (35:08):
Well, I appreciate it.
Speaker 7 (35:10):
I try to speak well for you guys today in
the morning.
Speaker 1 (35:13):
Always going to talk to you and uh as I
said Jake Arthur locked on colts you can find out
anywhere podcasts can be found. You can read his stuff
at SI dot com. We appreciate a few minutes of
your time this morning. We'll be watching the wires with
you all day long.
Speaker 5 (35:28):
Absolutely. Thanks.
Speaker 1 (35:28):
Hello, zach Ostraman joins us. Now you're laughing, but I'm laughing. Yes,
I'm laughing with you, not at you.
Speaker 2 (35:36):
Now, I'm laughing at you.
Speaker 1 (35:38):
Oh wow, Zach, are you laughing this morning? How are
things going for you?
Speaker 5 (35:44):
You got if I'm laughing, But I can't complain.
Speaker 1 (35:47):
Zach Ostraman joins us on the Payless Liquors Hotline cut
Down Day. Any any thing that you think could be
a surprise before it's all said and done.
Speaker 6 (35:58):
Uh, you know, I probably haven't found it closely enough
to be honest.
Speaker 5 (36:01):
I mean from the cutting down.
Speaker 6 (36:06):
Yeah, the cutting down in my sport happens in the
winter for the most part.
Speaker 4 (36:11):
Well, now there's actually a lot of cuts. College athletic
Zach Osmin from the Indie Star. Obviously, I you they're
gonna get ready here Old Dominion coming up this weekend,
Game one of year two of the Signetti era. Let's
just start with the Kurt Signetti personality, Zach. Obviously this
year or last year at this time, you know, he
went above and beyond from a talking standpoint. How would
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you compare the Signetti bravado lead into year one to
what we've heard from him in those media sessions here
leading into year two on the same meter or maybe
not as full throttle.
Speaker 5 (36:45):
Yeah, I mean I've writen about this.
Speaker 6 (36:47):
I think other people have to. I think he's Listen,
there's there's an element to Signetti that that's just his personality,
Like he's not afraid to speak his mind, and he's
you know, he's confident, and he's willing to be sort
of publicly confident. But I don't know that he feels
that he's kind of got to you know, stir the
pot to get it to boil this year the way
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that he did a year ago when he talked about
you know, especially in the preseason, and of course some
of what he says happens during the season, but a
lot more of that if you really think back to
his first twelve months, happens before the season starts in
terms of, you know, maybe just trying to kind of
get his his team on side a little bit more
than that, I think, get his fan base on side,
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get his fan based kind of gended up, and you know,
really sort of you know, kind of believing in the
project and the and the you know, the process and
all those different kinds of things. You know, maybe he
gets his wings clipped a little bit with what he
says on game day before the Notre Dame game, but
then the flip side is he also comes out after
that game and says, hey, listen to better team one.
(37:50):
You know we got beat good today. That that you know,
he's not afraid to own it basically when when it
goes against him as well. I think I think more
of it is it's him knowing or him having the
confidence that his rosters, certainly, but maybe even more than that,
like its fan base is booster base, you know, his
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athletics department, all those sort of constituencies nobody needs convinced
anymore nobody needs, you know, kind of sparks to life
in the same way because everybody can see what if
they buy into use the cliche the process, what the result.
Speaker 5 (38:27):
Is, Zach.
Speaker 2 (38:28):
Obviously, as you've laid out and in a terfect piece.
I'm sorry. In the Indie Star, the title of it
being Indian football's monticipated season shows historic support. Yet who
just haven't changed. One thing that has changed is the
quarterback position. Fernando Mendoz is now QB one. How much
pressure do you think is on this guy to deliver?
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And also just how good is he because he has
got some NFL rumblings.
Speaker 6 (38:55):
Yeah, I mean, listen, there's there's certainly pressure to deliver.
It's you consider what Indiana got out of the quarterback
position a season ago. But I think that not that
Signetty's the ultimate QV whisper. But if you look at
his recent history, I mean his last four at least
his last four quarterbacks. I don't know if I can
go all the way back to his SCSGMU days, but
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his last four quarterbacks involving transfers, and the first three
were all conference. You know, Toddson Tao was I think
Toddson Tao was Conference Player of the Year, Jordan McLoud
was Conference Player of the Year. Of course, Rourke didn't
quite get there last year, but he was second team
All Big Ten, and he was, you know, certainly considered
one of the best quarterbacks in the Big Ten, if
not in college football last season. And then you take
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Trenanomondza to your point, he comes in with some NFL buzz.
I know, there are some things that you know, particularly
about the way he delivers the ball the NFL scouts like,
I mean, he's the guy that threw the three thousand
yards last season, and that was in front of an
offensive line that allowed forty one sacks.
Speaker 5 (39:56):
So you know, you don't. It's ever that simple, but
there is at.
Speaker 6 (40:02):
Least some element of imagine what he'll do in front
of a better offensive line, maybe with a little bit
more depth at the skill positions as well.
Speaker 5 (40:12):
I think there's there's.
Speaker 6 (40:12):
A lot of belief both in Mendoza and then also
in the process that Kurt Signetti Mike Shanahan who's been
his offensive coordinator for several years now, have to take
their offense and take whatever the you know, sort of
the the underlying principles of how they get the ball
of the perimeter, you know, RPO situations, things like that,
and fit them to a different every different quarterback strengths.
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Because if you go back and look like Jordan McLoud
was a lot more mobile than Curtis Rourke. Of course
we had no idea Rourke was playing on a torn
acl through most of last season. But the point is
that's two different quarterbacks, that's two different ways of getting
offense moving down the field and in the end zone,
and the ultimate result is very very similar. I think there's,
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like I said, belief in Mendoza and some of the
things that maybe he'll be able to again, particularly from
a mobility perspective, that Indiana just wasn't comfortable to it
the for Ork last season. But I also think that
there's there's also just leaf in the process that leads
Indiana to be able to put quarterbacks in really good
positions to succeed.
Speaker 1 (41:16):
Zach Ostman, the Indie Star, joining us here talking about
some college football Indiana. You wrote earlier, I guess last
week that Indiana has become a straw man in the
Cold War over scheduling and the future of the playoff
to its own detriment. Could you expand on that for
us please?
Speaker 4 (41:32):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (41:32):
I mean, basically Indiana has become and this this was
kind of recycled back into the news, and I don't
know how much more we need to hear about it
at this DIF from the SEC side, but I grewubbed
on there and then they don't let things easily in
the South sometimes, and it kind of got recycled back
into the news when the SEC announced it was going
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to move to nine conference games. And essentially Indiana has
that's become in this season maybe goes back to last
season that critics of the way the playoffs is currently
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want to sort of point Indiana say, well, look at
him play anybody a nine. When SEC team is better,
the SEC's that's that it is better. The SEC's process
is better. These are obviously unwinnable arguments because there is
no perfect way to sort of solve them. But Indiana
has kind of become the easy punching bag. And then
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of course that spends forward this summer into the debates
of that Indiana's non conference scheduling philosophy cursing and he said,
he says it SEC media or victim media. He gives
a lot of people.
Speaker 5 (42:47):
Down South riled up. And the point I.
Speaker 6 (42:50):
Was trying to make is essentially Indiana doesn't have to
go on some extreme pr offensive here, but it does
need to recognize that where in the playoff conversation. And
I don't think it's unfair for Indiana to see itself
as a playoff contender. They were literally the playoff last
year until until they get far away from that, until
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they get you know, until their cod starts proving he
can't hack it at that level, which is something Signetti
has roundly sort of disproven across the course of his career.
Indiana has got to think in those terms and with
those ambitions, and if they're going to do that. They've
got to recognize that fair or not perception in college
athletics is the thing, and Ohio State or Michigan's going
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to get a pass that Indiana isn't. And certainly Georgia,
for example, which I believe plays in the non conference
Charlotte Austin p and I'm struggling to remember the third
team that isn't Georgia Tech. You know, certainly the kind
of Indiana is not going to get the pass that
a Georgia is going to get, or you know at all,
miss or whoever. And so the point I was trying
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to make is just Indiana kind of needs to start
fighting its corner a little bit more on this unlessen
you know, some of that is solved naturally, particularly if
particularly just once the game start, because so much of
this is just like we're all desker for college football
and we don't have any yet, and so we're looking
for something to talk about. We're looking for something to
you know, something to sort of satisfy that appetite. But
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if you're Indiana, you know, let's let's say Indiana gets
to selection Sunday in December ten and two and there's
an SEC team there at nine to three, Indiana is
gonna be fighting the perceptions around its history. It's non confidence, schedule,
things like that. There is an ability to kind of
go on the offensive a little bit more, and I
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think Indiana, you know, maybe needs to consider doing that.
But in the same breath, I think everyone recognizes the
thing that speaks loudest as the results in the field.
And if Indiana goes out and let's see, what's city
win ten games, and you know one of them is
win at Iowa, the other ones a really impressive went
home against Illinois, then you know, maybe maybe you read
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the may does speak a little bit more for itself.
It's just it's sort of it's sort of saying, if
Indiana is going to be a playoff contender, and it
has every right to think of itself as one, because
again it was in the playoffs literally nine months ago,
then it needs to act that way when it comes
to public messaging, when it comes to the way that
it defends itself against criticism, all thost different kinds of things.
Speaker 4 (45:29):
It's been a value beat since I was an undergrad
down there. He does great, great work and someone I
admired back in the day. That Zach Ostman from the
Indianapolis Star, Zach, if we could shift gears to basketball,
it's pretty rare, honestly, but welcome to today's day and
age where we ask more football questions in basketball when
it comes to Indiana University Darren Devrees and the Puerto
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Rico trip, grand takeaways, They're going to shoot a bunch
of threes, and maybe some questions about defending teams that
are bigger. Is that too simple of takeaways you think
about the three games down there, Yeah.
Speaker 6 (46:02):
No, I think I mean, listen, I think you could
see Indiana was going to be a much more sort
of three point shooting, bend offense just by both the
region's history and the way that he constructed this roster.
I think I think from Indiana's perspective, there's also again,
if you want to look at the way this roster
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was constructed, there has been since kind of it all
came together a pretty clear sort of hole in the
sort of rim protection and rebounding sort of aspect. Now, listen,
the flip side is you can go too far in
the other direction, and we can argue that maybe Indiana's
done a little bit of that in the last couple
of years that you're never the Blanke's never going to
(46:45):
cover up over every single potential shortcoming or weakness. You
only get thirteen scholarships in fifteen spots, so you're always
going to have to give and take somewhere. And Indiana,
you know, could do different things to maybe mitigate the
size disadvantage. Of course, there will be nice when the
threes don't fall. I think you saw certainly some of
the excuse me, some of the pace that the Breeze
(47:06):
talked about that in Puerto Rico. Now that was those
games are played with a twenty four second shot clock,
so they were naturally going to be faster. But you
could just see Indiana really emphasizing not just let's get
the rebound and throw it up the floor as fast
as we can, but more, you know, pace in terms
of multiple bodies getting down the floor, getting into a
you know, a secondary transition offense that's meant to create
(47:26):
a shot. Even if it's not literally a transition opportunity,
it is it is something that capitalizes on a defense
as disorganization, as it's recovering down the floor to create
another opportunity. I think you see, you know, it's.
Speaker 5 (47:41):
A very experienced team.
Speaker 6 (47:43):
And I know that sounds simplistic, but I think a
lot of people are going to look at them and
you know, kind of I think I think Alas Maskbo
is looking at Indiana as brand new, which is fair
because they haven't spent a lot of time together. But
there is just a lot of pure college ball minutes, games, shots, rebounds, assists,
(48:03):
whatever on that roster, and so I think you could
see some of that experience manifest itself, especially in those
those two comeback wins. And I think, listen, I mean,
if you want the simplistic way I would, I would
boil it down. It would basically be Indiana should get
as much credit for its comebacks as it should get
criticism for the reasons that it had to come back
(48:27):
and the ways that it got itself into those holes.
I think, you know, it probably something that maybe we
didn't talk as much about on that trip. I didn't
think Indiana started any of those three games particularly well,
and that's reflected a lot more in the two games
against Mega Supervet. But I think that's that's something that
Dereez has got to kind of think about, because you're
(48:48):
obviously in a thirty second shot clock World not going
to get the pace of the games to affect that
kind of comeback in the same way. But in general,
I thought you saw some promising things from India. I
thought you recognized too that those games were not Indiana's
greatest priority. I think that at the end of the day,
what Debris wanted out of that tour more than anything
(49:09):
else was the ten practices leading up where he could
have his whole team on the floor together for full
practices of instruction and installation and you know, just just
working through a lot of different things so that when
the games do start mattering, the terminology is second hand,
the chemistry between players is a lot stronger, and so
(49:30):
I think it's there's also probably an element of trying
not to read too much into those games, because I mean,
it wouldn't shock me if Indiana was at the beach
the morning of, you know, the Saturday game, the Saturday
night game, for example. I don't think Debris was actively
trying to lose the games, but I don't think he
will have wanted the games to be so all consuming
that he didn't get other, you know, benefits, his team
(49:52):
didn't get other benefits from the trip as well, so
you know it was. It was an interesting first look.
I think Indiana still got a lot to improve on,
but I think it gives Debres and his staff a
lot to shoe on, you know, over these next few
weeks as they build up towards the proper preseason.
Speaker 1 (50:08):
A Hi, Zach, thanks so much. Get ready and buckle
yourself in for old Dominion Kennesaw State in Indiana State
over the next three weeks. Good luck, I'll do it.
Speaker 5 (50:18):
Thanks for having me as always
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