August 25, 2025 • 49 mins
00:00 – 21:42 – College football over the weekend, Riley Leonard’s game against the Bengals, Laquon Treadwell’s game and will he make the team/practice squad?, the complications of being cut/waived, the tight end room, who has the best roster hit rate among beat reporters?, TJ McConnell night at Victory Field and first pitch warm up pitches
21:43 – 36:38 – Pat Leonard of New York Daily News joins us to discuss Daniel Jones getting the QB1 nod, why it failed in New York, how would he describe Daniel Jones off the field, when does Jones let that fire out, how we would suggest Shane Steichen utilize Jones’ strengths in the offense, Tyrone Tracy as he enters Year 2 with the Giants, reacting to what Pat had to say about Daniel Jones
36:39 – 49:47 - IndyStar Colts reporter Nate Atkins joins us for the final time as he leaves the Colts beat, the decision to roll with Daniel Jones at QB1 for the Colts, his in-depth look at the organizational failure of Anthony Richardson, roster cuts and if he sees any surprises for the Colts, his favorite moments on the Colts beat
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You were listening to the Best of the Fan morning
show on ninety three five and one oh seven five
the Fan.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
I feel like the beat right there, mark of the
re entry is perfect for this weather outside.
Speaker 3 (00:13):
Yeah, it's a little autumn autumn tune.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
Yeah, just a nice little chill here on this Monday morning.
Certainly is not mc miller by the way, like August
twenty fifth at all. I was half joking, half serious
yet earlier in the show and I opened up the
door this morning, felt I should be going to a
college football tailgate. Just felt absolutely awesome outside. We will
get things started. Did you guys binge any college football
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this weekend?
Speaker 4 (00:38):
I did not. I feel like I lost one of
my days.
Speaker 5 (00:40):
Obviously going out Cincinnati on Saturday and yesterday. I wasn't
really checking for too much if there was any games
on yesterday.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
I'm sadly was living and dying with Stanford football on Saturday.
Speaker 4 (00:50):
I did catch like the end of that, but probably
just a Frank Riker.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
We get Frank Reichen interim win out there on the
Islands and no, not at all. Shout out to the
Hawaii kicker. He was outstanding as they were able to
beat Stanford Rowley for Stanford football. Far cry from where
it was with David Shaw or Jim harbop.
Speaker 4 (01:09):
A with Andrew Luck as quarterback.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
Certainly. Yeah, good Monday morning to you. Thank you for
starting the week off with us. James, like you said,
was in Cincinnati on Saturday. What'd you make it? Riley Leonard.
I know he's obviously a name that a lot of
people around here remember from his collegiate days, and you know,
he really hasn't had I think I guess I should
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say this. I thought there maybe was a third quarterback
competition entering camp between him and Jason Bean. Never really
transpired in that way. To be fair, Anthony Richardson and
Daniel Jones got so many reps as they should have
in that quarterback competition. But James for half out there,
I mean he uncorked one deep to LaQuan Tried Well.
That was a really nice performance from the sixth round pick.
Speaker 5 (01:57):
Well, as you know, Kevin Ry Lennard was the first
quarterback for the Coat to throw a touchdown pass in
the preseason, So that right there means he's QB one
and the eyes of Mark Dyking and many others. So
that's where I fall in the right Leonard debate. But no,
I thought he had a solid half. I thought his
personality afterwards was pretty heartwarming. Just hit her and talk
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about he's got.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
A great personalty, very very easy to like.
Speaker 5 (02:22):
Yeah, he was telling us how, you know, Anthony Richison
had given him the football and he was kind of
confused as to what he was doing, but he said, hey,
you first touchdown ball in the NFL. Gave it to
his dad, whose birthday just happened to be on this
past Saturday in Cincinnati, so that was really cool. But
I thought he looked pretty poised out there, and I
thought I got kick out him going back in there
because THESTI being got hurt briefly and he said he
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had a handoff and obviously handed it off. But I
told him, I said, did you try to get Shane
to you know, let you on cork one more? And
he was like, yeah, I did. I wanted to so
bad and obviously that did not happen. But for the
progress that he's made throughout the preseason, I thought you
could see some tangible improvement, which is all you really
want from a guy who would again was drafting the
sixth round.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
Yeah, I mean you're betting on the one hundred and
ninetieth pick with traits, and okay, what traits does he have? Well,
first off, everyone saw us in college. Great runner. I
mean you even saw it on Saturday. He made several
plays with his legs. There by all accounts, wonderful leader.
I mean, the staff of Notre Dame and certainly Duke
as well praised him many many times for that aspect
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to it. I think there's a major desire to want
to be something. For those unfamiliar with his story, I
know Greg gray Straw hit on this a little bit
during the telecast, but you know lives very close to
Philip Rivers down in the Alabama area there, and is
I guess you'd call Philip maybe a mentor for him
in this NFL journey. The biggest question is can you
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develop from the pocket. And you know he was I
would say, pretty inaccurate at times in college and even
the first two preseason games, James, you know, he hovered
right around fifty percent. But I thought, you know, honestly
compliment too to that offensive line. I mean, it's not
always something that you say. In third preseason games, I
(04:06):
thought they gave Leonard to moments too to flash the arm. Obviously,
the Treadwell play is the big one.
Speaker 4 (04:11):
Yes, low developing play though right time what.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
You get in those games typically it doesn't go very
well with the patchwork offensive line in front of them.
I have no real debate, and I didn't have a
debate going into Saturday and the Chris Ballard era with
Sam Ellinger. Mainly they have often kept the third lineback
or excuse me, a third quarterback on their fifty three
manter roster. I thought that previous with Leonard. I assume
that just confirms it for you too. Do you have
(04:35):
any debate about whether you try to sneak him to
the practice squad.
Speaker 5 (04:39):
No, honestly think that if he goes to the practice
squad there's a decent chance that he might not be around.
I don't know if you want to run that risk.
What someone you did draft and obviously want to keep.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
Them around, which give them the injury histories of the
two guys above him on the dead.
Speaker 4 (04:52):
Chatter as well.
Speaker 5 (04:53):
But also they've typically kept three quarterbacks in the past,
which is why I roll with Ry Leonard as my
QB three.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
Uh Laquon tread Well is one of the more. I
think interesting third preseason game stories that you have out there, James.
When you think of a third preseason game, you think
of the undrafted kid. You think of coleman Owen, number three,
the wide out who you saw flash again. I think
he's a great practice squad candidate, undrafted out of Ohio.
Those are the ones that you think of. Treadwell is
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a former first round pick, James. He's got to be
close to thirty. If he's not.
Speaker 3 (05:25):
Thirty, He's turned thirty in June.
Speaker 2 (05:27):
So he's thirty years old. You don't have many thirty
year old former first round picks out there catching six
balls for one hundred and some yards in a preseason finale.
But that is the case with Treadwell. I know I
was one, and you were one as well. Getting several
questions on what is the future for him, I consider
him again a great practice squad candidate. Remember the practice
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squad rules have changed in recent years. You now can
have a couple veterans on your practice squad. Yes, it's
not just young dudes. Do you think Treadwell pushes for
anything more than a practice squat spot.
Speaker 5 (06:00):
I don't think so, but I did have a few
people who were reaching out to me, not like GMS
or team people, but other reporters. For example, I know
the forty nine ers might need some wide receiver help,
you know, depending on what things are going on over there.
Speaker 4 (06:14):
We had our reporter reach out to me and Matt
Burrows and he was.
Speaker 5 (06:16):
Like, hey, you know, if you had to pick one
guy who you know is kind of a fringe guy,
you know, probably won't make the team, but could be
a you know, a contributor you know on another team.
I told him, Hey, Lawan Treble, I do think could
help in if you're looking for somebody and you're in
a buying for wide receivers. He's someone who could step
in and I think certainly help your room. And then
just getting to know him over the last couple of years,
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I've actually talked to Lawan a lot a lot of
Fridays when everyone's kind of just trying to get out
of there. You make small talk with the guys, but
with him, it's not really small talk. First start off,
Mark is just being the guy who's similar to where
I'm from, Illinois, being a cremnique.
Speaker 4 (06:50):
Guy, which is not too far from Romeoville.
Speaker 5 (06:52):
But at the same time, I did have multiple conversations
with him about the journey in sticking with it, and
you know, how do you stick with the dream that
isn't what you envisioned because obviously, for him his entire life,
he was a star high school, college, first round pick,
and then you have some injuries and then you get
you know, humbled a bit, which I think he was
(07:14):
always humble, but he was just saying, like, it changes
your perspective. And now I think that when you see
him go out there and perform, you're as teammates talk
about him and even then, like again, I talked to him,
this is like, I don't know, week twelve of last
season and he's obviously not going to play on Sunday,
but he's just telling me how, you know, he loves
the game, and I think you really realize that when
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you love it enough to continue to chase that you've
made all the money, you could probably be set for
life afterwards, and you're still, you know, trying to prove yourself.
Because he was like, I still want to go out
there and Sean, Hm, I am this player that you
know got drafted in the first round years ago.
Speaker 4 (07:46):
So again, respect him.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
He's caught one ball in the NFL the last two years,
so even most recently, it's not like he's had exactly,
but he's.
Speaker 5 (07:53):
Just going at it, which I think if you got
some kids out there who need to like look at
people to emulate their character after him, that's the guy.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
And I think he's like important in a room for
like Adie Mitchell. Oh absolutely, you know again, the guy
coming in the NFL hyped up career has not gone
anywhere near what you would think of of a first
round wide out. And I guess this is where maybe
we could get into And I apologize, I know this
isn't the cup of tea for everybody, but for those
that do care about roster cuts coming up tomorrow at
four James, one of the things like Treadwell, he technically
(08:27):
falls into a guy that you will cut, not waive.
Speaker 4 (08:31):
Right.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
So if you've been in the league, had enough time
in the league, right, right. So if you've been in
the league for longer than four years, you were cut
and immediately you become a free agent, it's kind of
like you've earned the right to then pick your destination.
So take for example, the two white outs that shine
on Saturday again Treadwell will be cut in all likelihood
become a free agent. I think he could very well
(08:54):
be back on the Colts.
Speaker 4 (08:55):
Yeah, practice squad, and they will want that.
Speaker 2 (08:57):
Coleman Owen, the undrafted kid out of a high because
he's been in the league for less than four years,
you'll waive him. That puts him on the waiver market.
And remember waiver market goes back to the draft order
from this past year. So the Colts had what fourteenth
pick is where they took Warren Is all right, thirteenth
pick fourteenth, so we're fourteen in the waiver order. So
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if you go back to the draft order from April,
that's how it will go. Coleman Owen will be on
the waiver wire and all thirty two teams will get
a chance to put a claim in for him. And
if you are the team that is highest in the
waiver order and you claim that guy and no one
else does, then boom, you get that player and you
have to make a corresponding roster move with that. Last year,
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for example, the Colts did it with Samuel Wollmack, a
corner from the forty nine ers. So that's a little
bit of an explanation on it's part of kind of
the roster gymnastics that some teams will play this year.
Like theoretically it's easier to make a promise to Lakwan
(10:03):
Treadwell than it is to coleman Owen if you hear
me out on that. Absolutely, Like Chris Laman's at Corner
for example, right now, the.
Speaker 4 (10:10):
Guy who will get cut instead of waived.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
But I think the Colts could easily say, hey, man,
just be patient, we'll get you back here within that
first week.
Speaker 4 (10:17):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (10:17):
We just don't want to expose other guys to waivers
right away because that's the time where all these teams
are out there. Remember the Colts claim five guys in
Chris Bowitt's first offseason. So at Corner, for example, you
have an undrafted kid and Jonathan Edwards, again, you would
have to expose him to waivers if you were to
cut him. So again, I apologize because I know it's
a little bit technical, but sometimes when you see these
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veterans that get cut, some people are surprised by it.
But it's kind of a handshake agreement that you occasionally
see teams make with veterans, like hey, we'll get you
back here. We just need to play the roster game
for a couple of days before we really set our
week one roster.
Speaker 6 (10:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (10:55):
I feel like this is when they go into the
room and you know in the detective shows they have
all like the wires and in the like x markster
spot thing, and they're all like pulling their hair out
trying to figure out what connects.
Speaker 4 (11:05):
That's probably what you do.
Speaker 5 (11:06):
I think with the roster a little bit to figure
out what connects, what makes the most sense, and how
can we hopefully get ideally everyone we want back in
the next week or so. But it looks different the
pathway to getting there for each player.
Speaker 2 (11:19):
Some people on YouTube chatter are asking about tight end.
You and I were on the same page, right We're
keeping four and we're cutting Jelanni Woods.
Speaker 4 (11:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (11:26):
And I did get a few comments on social media
after Saturday's game, after my fifty three man roster came out,
and some people were pushing back on the Joloanni Woods cut.
They're like, hey, this guy's, you know, a third round pick,
and he's got a lot of upside, and you know,
she showed some stuff. But I truly believe for those
who watched every snap of the preseason, every snap of
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training camp that the four guys ahead of him, Tyler
Warren molly Cox, Will Mallard and Drew Ogletree were better
than Jelannie Woods. And I don't think that that's necessarily
like a hot take. I think it's just a real
take and maybe something a hard pill to swallow because
of where Johnny Woods was drafted.
Speaker 2 (12:05):
Chris asked us waiver weier give the Titans the first
pick of everyone's players, or do they just get to
claim one player? They could claim fifty three if they'd like.
They would then have to cut all fifty three of
their players, so you can claim as many. Again, the
Colts claim five in the first Chris Ballard year mark.
I seem to recall a few years ago when your
Bears changed GMS, they claimed a bunch at roster cuts.
(12:29):
You can claim as many as you would like. So, yes,
they get the first right of refusal if you will,
to every player cut or excuse me, waived, but you
must make a corresponding roster move with that.
Speaker 5 (12:39):
Yeah, you also want to keep in mind, and I
got some clarification on this from the league over the weekend,
so you still have two players that when roster cut
down day comes tomorrow officially at four PM, two players
you can designate to go to IR but to return
for the season and Kevin. When I was doing my
fort three manter roster, I was talking about this with
(13:01):
Joey Rison of Any Star. I wanted to try to
predict who might be the IR candidates, but I didn't
want to go that far because I'm like, I don't
want to be the guy who's like, oh, this guy,
I'm gonna guess that he goes on IR. That's not
really the most professional thing, but it is something in
the back of my mind, like what is that look
like tomorrow? How does that affect the other fifty three
guys that you do end up picking, Because in theory,
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let's say you know, Jaylen Jones, who I believe is
actually having made significant progress, but someone who had a
hamstring injury, Okay, you can designate him to return from IR,
and so technically you would keep fifty five players. It's
just that when those two players are ready to come
back and actually play, you got to cut another two
to keep your fifty three minute roster at fifty three.
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So just keep that in mind. I know I'm getting
the weeds a little bit. But long story short, keep
giving you the simplest version. There's probably gonna be at least
two players tomorrow who are not on the final roster
who the Colts would designate to return from injury at
some point in the season.
Speaker 2 (13:57):
Yeah, I'm gonna watch running back there andes to Tyler
Goodson a little bit of Khlil Herbert, So that would
be a position I'll watch. You brought up Jalen Jones
a corner that would be another one. Uh, and then
I've got to go to linebacker with Jalen Carlis. We
have not seen him in a couple of weeks. He's
had a boot on that right ankle. Fifth round pick
last year out of Missouri, the thought was he could
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start next Desire Franklin this year. That is not going
to happen, and so that would be another area that
I would watch. Do you guys think the heat is on?
Speaker 1 (14:25):
Like?
Speaker 3 (14:25):
Are we I'm burning up in here?
Speaker 4 (14:28):
I was gonna say, I'm like, yeah, I told you
it was.
Speaker 3 (14:33):
Hot in here. I walked in yesterday to do the
fever game. Mic who turned the heat on in here?
Speaker 2 (14:37):
James is cutting Waight for wrestling without he's here, And.
Speaker 5 (14:40):
Obviously I'm very skinny. I can't be cutting. Wait when
he cramping out by those warrant central players.
Speaker 2 (14:45):
Man, Wait, all of a sudden, we're gonna have a
feather over there, Lena's the rest of the show. Well,
one thing, also, just keep I know, gosh, that feels
great once you did that. Maybe trades, I think around
the league we've already seen I don't know, eight ten trades.
The Colts have done this before, not a ton under
Chris Baward. But James, if you're deep with what lawan
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treadwell white out and all of a sudden you need
a white out. You brought the forty nine ers, I
think earlier, and I look at the forty nine ers
roster and I like your corner depth. I might say, hey,
we're gonna cut this guy. You're gonna cut that guy.
Let's not expose them to waivers. Let's just trade. And
that's something also to keep an eye on. So again,
I know a lot of this you really can get
(15:29):
in the weeds on. But that is what life in
the NFL is about here for the next thirty six hours.
Speaker 5 (15:36):
Yes it is, And honestly, again, I feel like I
get a kickout of trying to see how many players
I get right on to fifty three man roster.
Speaker 4 (15:44):
I don't know if I've ever gotten one hundred percent
right Kevin, have you?
Speaker 6 (15:46):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (15:47):
I don't. I think I'm usually like a fifty one,
fifty or fifty one. Yeah, no way I've ever gotten
all fifty three.
Speaker 4 (15:53):
I'm still chasing.
Speaker 2 (15:54):
If I did, I think Maddi would probably leave me.
Speaker 3 (15:56):
Who do you think is the best roster hit rate
on the Beat reporters?
Speaker 4 (16:00):
I probably go Joel.
Speaker 5 (16:01):
I think Joel has gotten all fifty three before, and
he seems to make like the calculated guesses better than me.
Speaker 4 (16:09):
I feel like I'm always just like there's no way
they're going.
Speaker 5 (16:11):
To move on from this guy, and they do it,
and it's like, well nn, Joel will tell me and
school me, well, this is exactly why they did it,
YadA YadA, YadA.
Speaker 2 (16:17):
Gosh, Joel differed so much with me, that's probably not
a good thing for me.
Speaker 5 (16:21):
I know, maybe Chap as well, because he's just been
around enough. And but yeah, I don't know. I'm a
little hard on myself. I think me and you might
have been identical Kevin, and I think me, you and
maybe Jake Arthur might have been identical. So I'll sit
next to him. I was doing mine, and maybe that's
part of it is I'm asking guys like, oh.
Speaker 4 (16:40):
What have you done? What have I done? Am I
doing this right?
Speaker 2 (16:42):
Like?
Speaker 5 (16:43):
And so even just counting to fifty three, My biggest
fear of Kevin is one of these years, I'd put
it out there, I'm a fifty two. I didn't count right,
or I didn't add up things right, I'm at fifty four,
and so yeah, the double counting and the making sure
the calculator is correct. Yeah, because I'm like, there's nothing
worth to somebody commenting like there's twenty two players here, James,
And I'm like, ah, yeah, my bad.
Speaker 3 (17:04):
That's just James being the tough grade, Like we didn't
have enough.
Speaker 6 (17:06):
We didn't have.
Speaker 2 (17:07):
Fifty three layers, right, That's exactly yeah, message to what
he thinks of the roster. I got some uber cults
positivity to throw your way coming up here in a
few I'm afraid you might but tumbo it, but I'm
still gonna throw it your way.
Speaker 4 (17:22):
Am I that negative? Well, it might be what it is.
Speaker 2 (17:25):
I don't know. I think you might poke some holes
in it, so I will toss that your way coming up. Mark,
Are we believing in the Cubs? Is this is this happening?
Is this a thing? Is this just a laid off.
Speaker 3 (17:36):
Maybe because Kyle tuk answer right, there was no, Well no,
I'm thinking.
Speaker 2 (17:40):
I mean, the Reds are clinging to life support here.
They look like my kids trying to swim right now.
I mean, there's no chance in the world that they're
going to survive here. And your Cubs just have a
sweep and you and it's met with There's also the
Angels who are terrible. But but Kyle Tucker has been
in like a seven weeks slump. Legit like seven weeks slump.
Speaker 3 (17:58):
He went yard a couple times in the series, started
to you know, maybe heat up the bad a little bit.
So if him and Pete Crow arms Strong and whatnot
can get going, you know, we could see the Colts
have the easiest or the Colts the Cubs have the
easiest remaining schedule in MLB. So let's take advantage. Let's
take advantage of this thing.
Speaker 2 (18:17):
Hopefully Indian Apples Indians back at home this week again
looks to be a great great weather week. TJ McConnell
night on Wednesday, What did we say you have to
slide into first base every player for the Indians. What
are other you have to hype up after every out?
You have to go like this to the crowd and
you gotta you gotta pump up the crowd. Any other
TJ McConnell isms that have to be there on Wednesday night?
Speaker 3 (18:38):
I think you have to every outfield has a run
from the dugout to the outfield.
Speaker 2 (18:42):
You go pull the poll before the starts. Mm hmm.
Speaker 3 (18:46):
Now he better not dirt that first pitch either. He's
got a we need to.
Speaker 4 (18:51):
Wouldn't do that? Oh, TJ strikes me as somebody who
has a clue.
Speaker 3 (18:54):
I feel like it's I feel like people half ass
the first pitch way too much. I feel like they
underestimated me, Like they get nervous, Like remember Alex Pierce
describing it earlier in the off season, you did at
the Cubs game, And you know he and Alex peers,
by all accounts a wonderful athlete outside of football.
Speaker 2 (19:11):
Yeah, you would think he would be able to chuck
one in there pretty good. And he's like, yeah, I
hopped it. I don't know it was the mascot. The
mascot had the big glove and I got.
Speaker 3 (19:22):
Nervous and the cub did nothing wrong there, just gun
one eighty two on the on the outer half of
do this with no warm up and just going through it,
and you're going on the mound. I feel like that
warm up underneath for all I care. No what warms
up for a first pick? I have to go out
to the bullpen.
Speaker 4 (19:41):
No, no, your bullpen catch all right?
Speaker 5 (19:45):
Still around, warm up for your ceremonial first mean.
Speaker 3 (19:49):
I have heard people that do for like they practice
in their yard ahead of time, Like that's where.
Speaker 4 (19:53):
Warming up at the actual stadium.
Speaker 2 (19:55):
No, you need to know the diamond. You need to
go to Skyle's test or round tripper gets stretched out
by the sneak on one of the seven thousand fields
of Grand Park and tow the rubber.
Speaker 3 (20:05):
Let's go, get the lat bands going.
Speaker 2 (20:07):
Mark if the Indian apples Indians asked Mark Dyton, come
out and throw the first pitch. There is no chance
in hell you're hopping it. You are delivering it. There
is no way with.
Speaker 4 (20:17):
No warm up. Just walk out there. When's last time?
Speaker 3 (20:19):
You throw a baseball that far in seriousness, I'd be
smoking the kids if I threw it as hard as
I wanted to know I that far. I don't know.
Probably was back with Ashley or something, back when we're
dating us.
Speaker 4 (20:31):
It's been a while.
Speaker 3 (20:32):
You can still get it the catcher.
Speaker 2 (20:36):
You don't go in front of the plate. You go
behind the plate. You are behind the plate, and I
want the number one.
Speaker 4 (20:42):
We know what we can settle this Indiana.
Speaker 5 (20:45):
If you're listening, please let Kevin Bowen have a ceremonial
first pitch one of these days.
Speaker 4 (20:49):
Please.
Speaker 2 (20:50):
I want to see this tupperware night for Juji McConnell,
like he brings in the Moms spaghetti he had before.
Speaker 6 (20:56):
See.
Speaker 3 (20:56):
I want to do it. I want to do a
first pitch, but I want to chase it with a
beer bat first. So even if you even if you
dirt it, say no more. You're getting the fans cheering.
Speaker 2 (21:03):
Unbelievable. If you want to WATCHO, Mike and Ymca before it,
you wanna you wanna touch Rowdy's nose before you throw
the first pitch.
Speaker 4 (21:13):
That uh.
Speaker 5 (21:14):
If you are trying to do Teaday McConnell knight, you
have to touch the ground and then point up to
the sky.
Speaker 2 (21:18):
Yeah, he does do that at the field. He does
the soccer thing right before he uh, before he enters
an NBA game. All right, plenty. To get to eight
o'clock hour, I've got again some big positives to throw
out on the Colts here in the month of August.
We'll see how much holes get poked into them. A
lot to recap from what was a busy, busy sports weekend.
Will hit on that as well. Kevin Bowen, James Boyd,
(21:39):
Mark Dyton right here on ninety three five one seven
five the fan, We've been talking a lot about Colts
roster cuts today. I'm Kevin Bowen, James Boyd and Mark
Dykedon alongside jeff Ricord will be joining rejoining us coming
up tomorrow again roster cuts four o'clock d By tomorrow,
the cults are typically gone all the way up into
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the deadline, and they had a quarterback deadline, I guess
last week, and we heard that news coming out on Tuesday.
It will be Daniel Jones as the starter here in
twenty twenty five. And now we head to the pay
Less Liquers hot Line to get more into the Daniel
Jones background. He is Pat Leonard from the New York
Daily News Talking Ball with Pat Leonard. That is the podcast.
(22:22):
You can check him out. We appreciate Pat's time here
on this Monday morning.
Speaker 6 (22:25):
Pat.
Speaker 2 (22:25):
Good morning to you, sir. How are you doing great?
Speaker 1 (22:28):
Doing great?
Speaker 6 (22:29):
Gentlemen?
Speaker 1 (22:29):
How are you guys doing?
Speaker 2 (22:30):
We are wonderful. We are hoping to get a little
bit more to the Daniel Jones Giants experience. Of course,
the Colts saw it first hand a couple of years
ago when they got absolutely drubbed there late in the season.
When the Giants did go on to make the playoffs
in that twenty twenty two season, I guess let's start
with the good. Shane Stiken oftentimes brings up that twenty
twenty two campaign. Daniel Jones was at his best in
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that year because.
Speaker 1 (22:53):
Of what I think, because Mike Kafka as the play caller,
and he utilized Daniel Jones as much as a runner
as he did as a passing quarterback. And not that
Daniel Jones can't be the pocket passer, but in that
construct with Saquon Barkley at running back and Daniel Jones
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at quarterback, not to mention they had a defense that
they knew that they could rely on. And so really
what it was about was in Brian Ables' first year
with Wink Martindale at DC, they created a game plan,
like a strategy for how they were going to win
week in and week out. It wasn't just We're going
to roll the football out and play our game. It
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was we believe we can pressure teams with the defense
and then on offense rather than putting all on Daniel
Jones's shoulders to throw for three hundred and fifty yards
and two touchdowns every week, that you could rely on
ball control and also kind of rein in some of
maybe the the potential landmines out there for Daniel and
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the offense and count on a lower scoring but more
controlled way of winning games. So I think it was
tied to the strategy of the team's belief and how
they were going to win, but it also took advantage
of his strength and steered away from some of his weaknesses.
Speaker 5 (24:20):
Again, we have Pat Lennard on the line with the
Sea Covers of Giants for New York Daily News also
has the Talking Ball with Pat Lennard. You can check
that out where you get your podcasts and pat Looking
back at that twenty twenty two season, they started off
seven and two in the year, nine to seven and one,
really nine to six in one because the last game
didn't necessarily matter for their playoff seeding, but looking at
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just the raw win lost total as it you know,
kind of changed throughout the season. Did the NFL sort
of figure them out at some point when you were
covering them?
Speaker 1 (24:53):
Yes, yeah, I think I think really what it came
down to was roster wise, personnel wise, they were not
a strong team in many key areas, so they were
trying to work around with scheme a lot of let's say,
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one on one matchups on the field that teams, if
they figured out they could exploit, could really start turning
the tide on the Giants, And that's kind of what
happened in the second half of that year. Dable as
a head coach never been a particularly strong game manager,
and so getting them into tighter games or putting them
on their heels and having to force them to throw
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late situations like that, you know, took the Giants out
of control of games and put put more on them
having to more obviously throw. In the second half, of games.
You know, Saquon Barkley banged up for a slight amount
of that, but generally, yeah, if they were not able
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to in the second half of that season control the
pace of the game with the running game, then they
found it harder to to ultimately come out on top
down the stretch of it. But I think it was
really more about the strength of the roster, you know,
I think they just they didn't have any other answers
other than what they had generated early on and.
Speaker 4 (26:18):
Then follow up to that. Pat.
Speaker 5 (26:19):
I know this is a broad question, but this is
the question I get often asked here in Indianapolis, is
why didn't it work out with Daniel Jones. This is
the guy who was a number six pick in twenty nineteen. Obviously,
they paid him with the Giants after that playoff run.
They wanted him to be their franchise guy, and you
look up now and he is trying.
Speaker 4 (26:39):
To revive his career. I'm sorry with the Colts.
Speaker 1 (26:44):
Yeah, No, I mean, I think I think the reason
that didn't work out with Daniel in New York. You know,
there's a few reasons. I mean, I would start with
the fact that early on on Pat Shermer in his career,
he really was finding the end zone pretty consistently. The
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issue was he was finding it while taking tons of
hits and also turning the ball over in the backfield
often you know, fumbles things like that. But the main
takeaway I think you have to remember from the early
part of his career is he was getting you know,
destroyed in the backfield behind a rough offensive line, and
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so you saw the playmaking ability both with the legs
in the arm. But I do believe then then as
he ended up with Joe Judge staff and Jason Garrett
offensive coordinator, then the turnover to Brian dabole Mi Kafka,
for one, he was learning new offenses every other year,
you know, at least. And two by the time he
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got to a point where he had a little bit
more of a reliable scheme and stable offense, he was,
in my opinion, you know, shell shocked and more likely
to make a worse decision under duress.
Speaker 6 (28:10):
And so I felt like that accumulated on him.
Speaker 1 (28:14):
You know, I think Daniel's game comes down to he
has I think a lot of people look at him
and they say he's an intelligent quarterback, and sometimes his
skills let him down, and I think you need to
look at him differently. He is extremely physically gifted, like
there's nothing that he can't do, you know, even out
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here watching you know, Jackson Dark throw now for the
Giants versus Daniel Jones's arm in practice, Like Daniel has
a much bigger arm. But what happens is when he
gets into tight situations because of all those hits he's taken,
and the decision making element isn't always there under pressure.
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So it's more like unleash him when you can, and
then when it's in the tight moments, when the field
shrinks in the red zone, that's where the coaches need
to help him out. And that's where the Giants didn't
help him up and out or help him out enough
down the stretch.
Speaker 2 (29:20):
The New York Daily News we can find Pat Leonard's
work Talking Ball with Pat Leonard, his podcast for chatting
about Daniel Jones's time with the Giants. Just a couple
more from me, Pat, and I guess one more in
the Jones front, you know, off the field, maybe in
front of the camera. I don't know, your top ten
pick and he starts playing poorly and he gets swallowed
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up in the New York and media market. You know,
that's that's a conversation that I feel like people have
asked me about. I don't necessarily I find Daniel Jones.
He strikes me as someone that seems like a nice guy.
I don't definitely don't think it's back when he's chatting.
How to describe maybe Daniel Jones more in that area
away from the exact play on the field.
Speaker 1 (30:00):
Yeah, I mean I I had a conversation with him
about this one time, one on one, and he chalked
up his entire demeanor and the way he handles press
conferences and just the off field conversation in he said,
I'm never gonna do or say anything that's going to
put my teammates on my team in jeopardy or in
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a negative light. And that's his hiding light.
Speaker 6 (30:27):
You know.
Speaker 1 (30:27):
So if he feels like any question or sentiment or
storyline or narrative is headed in a direction that isn't
positive for the team, you know, he has no interest.
He will take you know, accountability, He won't hesitate to
do that. I do think in New York it took
him too long though, to defend himself, to stand up
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for himself when he spoke, not that that would have
meant anything either way, because it ultimately was about how
you play. But I do think, you know, the cop
in himself, he always had it, but I think, and
you know, he was able to whether it like thick skin,
handle the pressure, that kind of stuff. You're absolutely right.
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I mean, his press conferences are going to be intentionally boring.
But he does have fire on the field, you know
he does. He does have moments going back to when
he first came into the league, even of the type
of moxie in a huddle that gets people fired up.
Like right now, Jackson Dart is carrying that and the
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Giants are all rallying around that. But I was here,
Daniel was the rookie, and everyone was saying the same
exact stuff about him. You know, the veterans were saying, Man,
I love this kid's energy. You know, I love what
he's saying. Game on the line in his first NFL
start and he's telling us we're going to go down
or we're going to win it.
Speaker 6 (31:46):
You know.
Speaker 1 (31:47):
So what Daniel is is he is an extremely tough,
team oriented person that if you think of him that way,
every time you listen to him or talk to him,
then all makes sense.
Speaker 5 (32:02):
So one quick follow up on that and last one
from me pat talking to him and I tried to
get him to take the bay and I was like,
you New York people, I'm gonna upat for beating the
life out of this guy. I'm joking, of course, but
you know the thing I asked him when he got here,
I said, you came here to win a job, so
do you think you can win it? He never really
went there, and even though he's won it now, he
still won't go there. But as someone who's obviously covered
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him a lot longer than I can, you maybe expand
a little bit more on just a competitive fire you
perhaps have seen from him in certain moments, because I
think that is what I am kind of itching to
see now he's going to be playing and if that'll
come out on the field, if it'll come out on
a post game speech that we might not see, But
just how did that manifest itself for a guy who
I mean, could be, in my opinion, a very nice like,
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you know, librarian or dentist or something.
Speaker 4 (32:49):
But I'm like, no, you're not that.
Speaker 1 (32:51):
You're NFL quarterback, right, No, The number one way you'll
see it is him trying to like run a safety over.
I mean, you know that he in his in his career,
it's actually gotten him in trouble. Like like many quarterbacks
who can run, you know, it's always that decision of
when do you slide, when do you step out of bounds?
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All those things. Daniel is not afraid of contact. He's
often looking for it, you know. Now he has worked
very hard throughout his career though to adjust to that.
But the fire that you're talking about, I think you're
going to see it most when he's when he's using
his legs. If you go back to last year's win
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in Seattle for the Giants, and again they only had
three so it's not hard to find, but he had
a few moments in that game where it was like,
out of the darkness, here comes you know, Daniel, the
Daniel Jones with nothing to lose type attitude about him.
But it most often again even in that game, it
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showed up when he was taking off and running, and
that's you know I was I was eager to have
this conversation with you guys because I don't know what
type of offense they're installing, right now there as you've
watched practice every day. But like if I'm stiching, I'm
dusting off my Eagles playbook with Jalen Hurts, And I mean,
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you know you're probably not running Daniel the same amount
you run Jalen. But I'm I'm using I'm making this
offense and offense where the quarterback and the running back
Jonathan Taylor are read optioning teams to death until they
bring an extra safety down and then I'm throwing it
because that is not only using one of his best
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skills as a quarterback, it also gets Daniel into the game.
Like that is what gets him into games, is running
into and through contact.
Speaker 2 (34:50):
And Anthony Richardson and all of a sudden people are
starting to get a little squeamishyere on this Monday morning.
I do think the RPO aspect, James, I think you
and I have seen it. Yeah, that can be very
effective with him so far? All right, Pat, we appreciate
the time. We'll end with this. We had Tyrone Tracy
in studio about a month ago. Great great story, A
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local kid here to the Indy area obviously had a
really nice rookie season. How is year two leading into that?
Going for Tyrone Tracy, would he expect kind of the role
here with Brian Dable.
Speaker 1 (35:24):
Yeah, he's the lead guy right now. Ball security remains
a continued emphasis. He had one in a practice and
one in a preseason game. You know, both of them,
he was just down before the ball came out. That's
something that bit him last year, whether it was catching
the ball or running. So he has to continue to
emphasize that. But you know, as you know, as a
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converted receiver has a ton of athleticism, versatility. They have
Camp Scataboo now that they drafted in addition to Devin
Singletary in the backfield, but you know, Skataboo will eat
into Tracy's you know, touches and his role there particularly
maybe in sure yarded situations. He's even a good receiver.
But I think the way you look at it is
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in the NFL now most teams can't get away with
just one guy, and you know they're expecting exciting things
from Tracy this year.
Speaker 2 (36:16):
New York Daily News and again it is Talking Ball
with Pat Leonard.
Speaker 3 (36:20):
That is the podcast.
Speaker 2 (36:21):
They're Pat Leonard with us here on the Payless Liquors Hotline. Pat,
Thank you Times a million. We appreciate it. I know
talking about Daniel Jones might not be what you want
to be doing right now. You're busy with your own beat,
but we greatly appreciate it.
Speaker 6 (36:33):
Now.
Speaker 1 (36:33):
Daniel's a man. I hope he succeeds. I think people
are underselling the impact he's going to have on the team. Previously,
on the Fan Morning Show.
Speaker 6 (36:45):
I heard that a little bit of banter about Notre
Dame making the National Title game, and you're right, it's
not everyone makes it there. Some teams win it when
they do.
Speaker 2 (36:56):
I could feel the knife already in there.
Speaker 4 (36:57):
I was wondering when he's gonna twist it.
Speaker 1 (36:59):
Though you are roasted and tosed and burnt, Cris.
Speaker 2 (37:11):
You know it's about I don't know. A couple of
weeks ago, I'm standing there at Grand Park and watching
Colts practice next to our next guest, Nate Atkins from
the Indianapolis Star, and he informs me of uh, he
will be moving on from the Colts beat. I'll let
Nate share whenever he feels the need to what exactly
he will be doing next. But inside I thought back
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to that Mark dyked and clip that was just played
there from Nate Akins appearing on the show, and I thought,
you know what, Nate, I'm not gonna miss you.
Speaker 6 (37:41):
Man.
Speaker 5 (37:43):
You know, do you smell that mark at all? You know,
I think I smell a little beef this morning.
Speaker 3 (37:48):
You're drinking this morning.
Speaker 2 (37:50):
Every time it gets brought up in the media room,
there he is over there, I mean him, and I
cannot be further in the room. He's on the far left.
I'm on the far right, and he just throws another ja.
It's just a subtle jab in there. So Nate, I'm
supposed to say nice things, but I won't miss you.
Speaker 1 (38:05):
I know.
Speaker 6 (38:05):
That's what she said. Was like the last time we
were in that media room, you just said, when are
you leaving?
Speaker 1 (38:09):
Again?
Speaker 6 (38:10):
Like, I dang it, here we go again.
Speaker 2 (38:13):
In all seriousness, congrats, I guess I will leave it
open to you to share anything if you want to
or And I know some people have asked, Hey, what's
Nate going to be doing? But it sounds like that'll
be announced here soon, is that correct?
Speaker 6 (38:29):
Yeah, it's gonna be announced by the new place I'm
going to. So just gotta be a little bit patient
with it. But you know, my wife day was supposed
to be Saturday's preseason game. But you know the way
this jub goes. Still got some writing to do and
things linger, so that's why I'm on here talking and
then I'll be writing a final story, and then I'll
be moving later this week, but staying staying in the
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same kind of realm. I'll be doing something similar, just
somewhere else. So uh but yeah, it'll be h I'll
miss you guys and miss India, miss the Colts beat,
but uh yeah, on a different adventure.
Speaker 4 (39:01):
I guess I will say.
Speaker 5 (39:02):
I believe Nate will have a banger story that I
kind of know a little bit about, not obviously a
whole lot about because he's the writer, but stay tuned
for that.
Speaker 4 (39:10):
But for the here and now, Nate, we did wrap
up with the preseason. We do know for Week.
Speaker 5 (39:14):
One the startups all sort of giving our pena on
the decision, right, and why, in least in my eyes,
I would have chose Anthony Richardson or why Shane Styke
can't believes Anthon Richardson isn't ready yet. But for the
sake of this conversation, Daniel Jones is the guy they're
rolling with him, So in your mind, what things can
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they do to help him get back to that level
he played at, which ultimately helped the Giants get to
the playoffs.
Speaker 4 (39:41):
I'll be it three years ago.
Speaker 6 (39:43):
It's kind of interesting the setup that they have right
now when they relate it back to that twenty twenty
two Giant season, because that was the year that Saquon
Barkley went crazy, and it just complimented really well that
Daniel Jones play safe and efficiently of the lowest interception
percentage in the league only through fifteen touchdown passes, but
he only had five interceptions and ran really well in
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addition to Saquon Barkley, So they've got that with Jonathan Taylor.
It's also interesting that they have the Giants assistant offensive
line coach at the time and the Giants running backs
coach at the time, so they are really trying to
recreate a lot of what that offense was while banking
on an idea of their offensive line being stronger. You're
having a lot better weapons for him to throw to.
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He didn't really have that at that time. He didn't
really have it outside of the weak neighbors for for
just like ten games last season. So you know they're
hoping that if they can get him in a passing game,
that that can distribute the ball to players in space,
that Shane Syken can scheme up, whether it's manner zone
coverage in bank on yak plays, that they can do
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that with Michael Pittman Junior, Alec Pearce, Josh Downs, Tommy Ward,
and Nady Mitchell. You know. So they're really banking on
everybody else being the stars around the quarterback. That's what's
flipped so much since when they drafted Anthey Richardson, he
was supposed to eventually become that guy who elevates everything
around him. And part of it, I think is that
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they believe their receiving core is a lot better than
it was when they drafted Anthony in twenty twenty three.
And part of it is just that they've they've really
hammered in on or zoned in on the sort of
operational consistency type stuff, which, to be honest with you,
I don't know that Daniel Jones is what I would
call consistent. I do think he is a guy that
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is a little bit more He's more durable than Anthony,
and he's more accurate on the short range passes. And
you know, he is more operational, and so they're going
to bank on scheme and you know, surrounding talent to
elevate him. And they've got to stay healthy though, because
I don't think this model is going to work if
Jonathan Taylor goes down, and you can say the same
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thing for a couple of these skill players in offensive linemens.
So if everything kind of goes the way they want
it to with the offense around Daniel Jones, he can
kind of be that guy who distributes. And I think
that's what the banking on.
Speaker 2 (42:01):
And that's Nate Akins Inneapolis, star on the Colts beat
for not much longer, but he's with us here on
this Monday morning.
Speaker 6 (42:07):
Nate.
Speaker 2 (42:07):
I thought you did an excellent piece last week, kind
of ten thoughts on, you know, the starting of Daniel
Jones and maybe the missteps the Colts took with Anthony
Richards And was there a point in there that you
found particularly interesting as you know, you went way back,
you know, all the way to that twenty twenty three
draft process, which I thought was a nice in depth
look at the entire what I've label kind of an
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organizational failure.
Speaker 6 (42:31):
Yeah, what I do is I just go back to
that spring and how pretty much they spent every waking
hour in the spring of twenty twenty three to figure
out what quarterback they were going to take, and that
drove the hire of Shane Steichen, and you know, you know,
all the guys that they interviewed, you know, had these
thoughts and ideas prepared about the quarterbacks in that draft
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and what they were looking for. And if you go
back to what they said almost all the way pretty
much up until the combine, they Chris Ballard and Shane
Styke and both talked about how much they liked to
trade such as accuracy and leadership and the obsession of
the position. And there ultimately was one player I think
they were really talking about that ended up in that draft,
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which was c. J. Stroud. And the problem, though, is
they got to the combine where Anthony Richardson gets out
there and he puts on the greatest show that the
league has ever seen at the quarterback position, and they're
combining that with these reports from Morocco Brown down at
the Florida practices about this guy's making some of the
throws and plays on the run that he's never even seen.
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He had en up having a quote later on where
he said that Anthony Richardson's floor is higher than most
quarterback ceiling, and so they just got really wrapped up
in the hype of this quarterback. It was very exciting
at the time, and the whole league was trying to
understand quite what this guy can be. When he did
it started very much and he had a completion precentaion
a low with the talent was so outrageous, and I
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think they banked on the idea that Shane Styke and
work with a lot of different quarterbacks, whether that was
you know, Jalen Hurts as a mobile quarterback and whether
that was Philip Rivers as the pocket quarterback, But that
was only true stylistically, I think in terms of are
they runners, are they throwers? Are they deep ball? Are
they short range? What he had never really done is
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develop a kid who has not played before and didn't
have this kind of baseline of knowledge and wasn't already
obsessive at the position. He had something very different in
Jalen Hurts and Justin Herbert who played so much in college.
And so that's what I think stood out to me
is just that they abandoned what they were looking for
in a quarterback for just about a one month stretch
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or I guess two month stretch between the combine and
draft day. But also they let a draft board spit
out a quarterback to them because they didn't want to
trade up. So by the time they had the number
four pick, you know, they definitely liked the Anthony Richardson
more than Will Levis, but it wasn't an Anthony Richardson
versus c. J. Straud debate in their eyes because they
weren't going to trade up to make that. They couldn't
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find the conviction and they were in love with Anthony
enough to do it. So there's a lot to be
excited for with Anthony Richardson, but I don't think it
fit the sort of conviction and plan you need to
make these kind of quarterbacks work.
Speaker 5 (45:13):
So to pivot away from the quarterback conversation briefly, Nate,
we know that tomorrow is cut down day. Hitch a
three man roster. I do not believe you will be
on it since you're leaving us. However, when you look
at some of these position battles, what group do you
think might have like the closest call, or is there
somebody in mind that you think, you know should make
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the team, might not make the team? Just who we
are some bubble guys send out to you.
Speaker 6 (45:38):
Yeah, I'll say the first cut's already in because that's me.
But going on to actual guys on the team that
won't be here, you know, I think it's I think
injuries took out a lot of the surprises as far
as like guys that are actually going to cut, you know,
just losing Hunter Waller and Justin Wally, and if they
end up moving a couple other guys injured reserve, like
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I think they're considering with Jalen Jones and Jalen Carlis
are two guys that could be options for that. I
don't think they're going to end up cutting guys that
you otherwise would be that surprised about. But it doesn't
mean they're going to keep a few guys that that
might not have otherwise made it. I think Jonathan Edwards,
the undirafted cornerback, is one of those that's going to
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make it, partly because they just had so many injuries there,
but they really like what they've seen out of him
from like a recovery speed standpoint, It's similar to when
Dallas Flowers was that undrafted player and he could he
just had all this athleticism and they wanted to tap
to that and see what they could do with it.
It fits well better and this ism than the last
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with Loui an Arumo playing a lot of man coverage
and he is not, in their eyes, looked scared or
panicked out there. So he has a lot to work on,
of course, but he seems to have enough of the
instincts and feel and confidence for the position. With the
recovery speed, I think that's going to be a guy
that's going to surprise you know, few people. And then
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I think Daniel Scott sort of sealed his entrance to
the fifty three man roster with the pick six and
just having a healthy camp for the first time after
he's missed two seasons. Like the front office has always
really loved Daniel Scott. They have an opening it backed
up strong safety after Hunter Waller's injury, and they like
what he does on special teams. So those are a
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couple of guys that I think coming into camp people
weren't really talking about or thinking about that I think
are going to make this team.
Speaker 3 (47:30):
Well, Nate.
Speaker 2 (47:30):
As much as it pains me to say it, it
is a sincere we will miss you, I guess maybe
I don't know if I'm allowed to say it. Maybe
in early congrats, but I won't miss the Ohio State
banter by any means. But no, in all seriousness, loved
just watching you work. Great, great written work, and I
thought very thorough and just the questions you asked and
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always found myself. Man, that's a great question. I really
feel like that's going to lead to an awesome answer.
So we're gonna miss you here man.
Speaker 5 (48:00):
Before we saw it off, do you have like a
favorite story, favorite game, you cover, favorite moment, give us
some some of your favorites on the way out?
Speaker 6 (48:07):
Okay, well, yeah, I appreciate, definitely appreciate working with both
of you guys who also grind like none other to
do it on the radio and then show up every day.
I just get to do one of those, so it's
a little easier to work hard on my my lane.
But yeah, there's there's so many memories in just three
and a half seasons, and when I go back to
you know, we can focus on some of the craziest
stories that will ever happen. I've never heard of, you know,
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contract dispute the way that Jonathan Taylor had it with
the tweets being traded back and forth and Jim Mersey
coming off a luxury bus for a postgame press conference
of sorts, the Jeff Saturday introduction and that whole ride
was crazy. But to me, on the positive en, I
just think to a couple of performances I've never seen before.
You know, that was Jonathan Taylor against the Bills in
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twenty twenty one when he ran for four touchdowns and
caught one against the number one defense. Just a moment
where everyone knew in the stadium who's getting the ball,
absolutely nobody could do anything about it. And then Matt
Gay in twenty twenty three in Baltimore. It's shocking to
think that they took down Lamar Jackson on the road
with Gardner minshew in Zach Moss as there is their backfield,
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and they did it because they had a kicker who
hit was it, four fifty plus hour field goals and
including a game winner and actually out did Justin Tucker
in his building. So those two performances kind of stand
out to me as like as rocky as this has been,
and crazy as it's been, and maybe not high end
ceiling for the most part, there's two performances that I
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would put up there with any f seen in my career.
Speaker 2 (49:36):
Yeah, I would certainly echo all of that. Well night,
We're gonna miss your brother, Thank you for making time
for us here, and we will certainly chat with you
down the road.
Speaker 6 (49:46):
Yep. Thanks as always, guys,
You were listening to the Best of the Fan morning
show on ninety three five and one oh seven five
the Fan.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
I feel like the beat right there, mark of the
re entry is perfect for this weather outside.
Speaker 3 (00:13):
Yeah, it's a little autumn autumn tune.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
Yeah, just a nice little chill here on this Monday morning.
Certainly is not mc miller by the way, like August
twenty fifth at all. I was half joking, half serious
yet earlier in the show and I opened up the
door this morning, felt I should be going to a
college football tailgate. Just felt absolutely awesome outside. We will
get things started. Did you guys binge any college football
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this weekend?
Speaker 4 (00:38):
I did not. I feel like I lost one of
my days.
Speaker 5 (00:40):
Obviously going out Cincinnati on Saturday and yesterday. I wasn't
really checking for too much if there was any games
on yesterday.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
I'm sadly was living and dying with Stanford football on Saturday.
Speaker 4 (00:50):
I did catch like the end of that, but probably
just a Frank Riker.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
We get Frank Reichen interim win out there on the
Islands and no, not at all. Shout out to the
Hawaii kicker. He was outstanding as they were able to
beat Stanford Rowley for Stanford football. Far cry from where
it was with David Shaw or Jim harbop.
Speaker 4 (01:09):
A with Andrew Luck as quarterback.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
Certainly. Yeah, good Monday morning to you. Thank you for
starting the week off with us. James, like you said,
was in Cincinnati on Saturday. What'd you make it? Riley Leonard.
I know he's obviously a name that a lot of
people around here remember from his collegiate days, and you know,
he really hasn't had I think I guess I should
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say this. I thought there maybe was a third quarterback
competition entering camp between him and Jason Bean. Never really
transpired in that way. To be fair, Anthony Richardson and
Daniel Jones got so many reps as they should have
in that quarterback competition. But James for half out there,
I mean he uncorked one deep to LaQuan Tried Well.
That was a really nice performance from the sixth round pick.
Speaker 5 (01:57):
Well, as you know, Kevin Ry Lennard was the first
quarterback for the Coat to throw a touchdown pass in
the preseason, So that right there means he's QB one
and the eyes of Mark Dyking and many others. So
that's where I fall in the right Leonard debate. But no,
I thought he had a solid half. I thought his
personality afterwards was pretty heartwarming. Just hit her and talk
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about he's got.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
A great personalty, very very easy to like.
Speaker 5 (02:22):
Yeah, he was telling us how, you know, Anthony Richison
had given him the football and he was kind of
confused as to what he was doing, but he said, hey,
you first touchdown ball in the NFL. Gave it to
his dad, whose birthday just happened to be on this
past Saturday in Cincinnati, so that was really cool. But
I thought he looked pretty poised out there, and I
thought I got kick out him going back in there
because THESTI being got hurt briefly and he said he
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had a handoff and obviously handed it off. But I
told him, I said, did you try to get Shane
to you know, let you on cork one more? And
he was like, yeah, I did. I wanted to so
bad and obviously that did not happen. But for the
progress that he's made throughout the preseason, I thought you
could see some tangible improvement, which is all you really
want from a guy who would again was drafting the
sixth round.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
Yeah, I mean you're betting on the one hundred and
ninetieth pick with traits, and okay, what traits does he have? Well,
first off, everyone saw us in college. Great runner. I
mean you even saw it on Saturday. He made several
plays with his legs. There by all accounts, wonderful leader.
I mean, the staff of Notre Dame and certainly Duke
as well praised him many many times for that aspect
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to it. I think there's a major desire to want
to be something. For those unfamiliar with his story, I
know Greg gray Straw hit on this a little bit
during the telecast, but you know lives very close to
Philip Rivers down in the Alabama area there, and is
I guess you'd call Philip maybe a mentor for him
in this NFL journey. The biggest question is can you
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develop from the pocket. And you know he was I
would say, pretty inaccurate at times in college and even
the first two preseason games, James, you know, he hovered
right around fifty percent. But I thought, you know, honestly
compliment too to that offensive line. I mean, it's not
always something that you say. In third preseason games, I
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thought they gave Leonard to moments too to flash the arm. Obviously,
the Treadwell play is the big one.
Speaker 4 (04:11):
Yes, low developing play though right time what.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
You get in those games typically it doesn't go very
well with the patchwork offensive line in front of them.
I have no real debate, and I didn't have a
debate going into Saturday and the Chris Ballard era with
Sam Ellinger. Mainly they have often kept the third lineback
or excuse me, a third quarterback on their fifty three
manter roster. I thought that previous with Leonard. I assume
that just confirms it for you too. Do you have
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any debate about whether you try to sneak him to
the practice squad.
Speaker 5 (04:39):
No, honestly think that if he goes to the practice
squad there's a decent chance that he might not be around.
I don't know if you want to run that risk.
What someone you did draft and obviously want to keep.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
Them around, which give them the injury histories of the
two guys above him on the dead.
Speaker 4 (04:52):
Chatter as well.
Speaker 5 (04:53):
But also they've typically kept three quarterbacks in the past,
which is why I roll with Ry Leonard as my
QB three.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
Uh Laquon tread Well is one of the more. I
think interesting third preseason game stories that you have out there, James.
When you think of a third preseason game, you think
of the undrafted kid. You think of coleman Owen, number three,
the wide out who you saw flash again. I think
he's a great practice squad candidate, undrafted out of Ohio.
Those are the ones that you think of. Treadwell is
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a former first round pick, James. He's got to be
close to thirty. If he's not.
Speaker 3 (05:25):
Thirty, He's turned thirty in June.
Speaker 2 (05:27):
So he's thirty years old. You don't have many thirty
year old former first round picks out there catching six
balls for one hundred and some yards in a preseason finale.
But that is the case with Treadwell. I know I
was one, and you were one as well. Getting several
questions on what is the future for him, I consider
him again a great practice squad candidate. Remember the practice
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squad rules have changed in recent years. You now can
have a couple veterans on your practice squad. Yes, it's
not just young dudes. Do you think Treadwell pushes for
anything more than a practice squat spot.
Speaker 5 (06:00):
I don't think so, but I did have a few
people who were reaching out to me, not like GMS
or team people, but other reporters. For example, I know
the forty nine ers might need some wide receiver help,
you know, depending on what things are going on over there.
Speaker 4 (06:14):
We had our reporter reach out to me and Matt
Burrows and he was.
Speaker 5 (06:16):
Like, hey, you know, if you had to pick one
guy who you know is kind of a fringe guy,
you know, probably won't make the team, but could be
a you know, a contributor you know on another team.
I told him, Hey, Lawan Treble, I do think could
help in if you're looking for somebody and you're in
a buying for wide receivers. He's someone who could step
in and I think certainly help your room. And then
just getting to know him over the last couple of years,
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I've actually talked to Lawan a lot a lot of
Fridays when everyone's kind of just trying to get out
of there. You make small talk with the guys, but
with him, it's not really small talk. First start off,
Mark is just being the guy who's similar to where
I'm from, Illinois, being a cremnique.
Speaker 4 (06:50):
Guy, which is not too far from Romeoville.
Speaker 5 (06:52):
But at the same time, I did have multiple conversations
with him about the journey in sticking with it, and
you know, how do you stick with the dream that
isn't what you envisioned because obviously, for him his entire life,
he was a star high school, college, first round pick,
and then you have some injuries and then you get
you know, humbled a bit, which I think he was
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always humble, but he was just saying, like, it changes
your perspective. And now I think that when you see
him go out there and perform, you're as teammates talk
about him and even then, like again, I talked to him,
this is like, I don't know, week twelve of last
season and he's obviously not going to play on Sunday,
but he's just telling me how, you know, he loves
the game, and I think you really realize that when
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you love it enough to continue to chase that you've
made all the money, you could probably be set for
life afterwards, and you're still, you know, trying to prove yourself.
Because he was like, I still want to go out
there and Sean, Hm, I am this player that you
know got drafted in the first round years ago.
Speaker 4 (07:46):
So again, respect him.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
He's caught one ball in the NFL the last two years,
so even most recently, it's not like he's had exactly,
but he's.
Speaker 5 (07:53):
Just going at it, which I think if you got
some kids out there who need to like look at
people to emulate their character after him, that's the guy.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
And I think he's like important in a room for
like Adie Mitchell. Oh absolutely, you know again, the guy
coming in the NFL hyped up career has not gone
anywhere near what you would think of of a first
round wide out. And I guess this is where maybe
we could get into And I apologize, I know this
isn't the cup of tea for everybody, but for those
that do care about roster cuts coming up tomorrow at
four James, one of the things like Treadwell, he technically
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falls into a guy that you will cut, not waive.
Speaker 4 (08:31):
Right.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
So if you've been in the league, had enough time
in the league, right, right. So if you've been in
the league for longer than four years, you were cut
and immediately you become a free agent, it's kind of
like you've earned the right to then pick your destination.
So take for example, the two white outs that shine
on Saturday again Treadwell will be cut in all likelihood
become a free agent. I think he could very well
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be back on the Colts.
Speaker 4 (08:55):
Yeah, practice squad, and they will want that.
Speaker 2 (08:57):
Coleman Owen, the undrafted kid out of a high because
he's been in the league for less than four years,
you'll waive him. That puts him on the waiver market.
And remember waiver market goes back to the draft order
from this past year. So the Colts had what fourteenth
pick is where they took Warren Is all right, thirteenth
pick fourteenth, so we're fourteen in the waiver order. So
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if you go back to the draft order from April,
that's how it will go. Coleman Owen will be on
the waiver wire and all thirty two teams will get
a chance to put a claim in for him. And
if you are the team that is highest in the
waiver order and you claim that guy and no one
else does, then boom, you get that player and you
have to make a corresponding roster move with that. Last year,
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for example, the Colts did it with Samuel Wollmack, a
corner from the forty nine ers. So that's a little
bit of an explanation on it's part of kind of
the roster gymnastics that some teams will play this year.
Like theoretically it's easier to make a promise to Lakwan
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Treadwell than it is to coleman Owen if you hear
me out on that. Absolutely, Like Chris Laman's at Corner
for example, right now, the.
Speaker 4 (10:10):
Guy who will get cut instead of waived.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
But I think the Colts could easily say, hey, man,
just be patient, we'll get you back here within that
first week.
Speaker 4 (10:17):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (10:17):
We just don't want to expose other guys to waivers
right away because that's the time where all these teams
are out there. Remember the Colts claim five guys in
Chris Bowitt's first offseason. So at Corner, for example, you
have an undrafted kid and Jonathan Edwards, again, you would
have to expose him to waivers if you were to
cut him. So again, I apologize because I know it's
a little bit technical, but sometimes when you see these
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veterans that get cut, some people are surprised by it.
But it's kind of a handshake agreement that you occasionally
see teams make with veterans, like hey, we'll get you
back here. We just need to play the roster game
for a couple of days before we really set our
week one roster.
Speaker 6 (10:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (10:55):
I feel like this is when they go into the
room and you know in the detective shows they have
all like the wires and in the like x markster
spot thing, and they're all like pulling their hair out
trying to figure out what connects.
Speaker 4 (11:05):
That's probably what you do.
Speaker 5 (11:06):
I think with the roster a little bit to figure
out what connects, what makes the most sense, and how
can we hopefully get ideally everyone we want back in
the next week or so. But it looks different the
pathway to getting there for each player.
Speaker 2 (11:19):
Some people on YouTube chatter are asking about tight end.
You and I were on the same page, right We're
keeping four and we're cutting Jelanni Woods.
Speaker 4 (11:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (11:26):
And I did get a few comments on social media
after Saturday's game, after my fifty three man roster came out,
and some people were pushing back on the Joloanni Woods cut.
They're like, hey, this guy's, you know, a third round pick,
and he's got a lot of upside, and you know,
she showed some stuff. But I truly believe for those
who watched every snap of the preseason, every snap of
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training camp that the four guys ahead of him, Tyler
Warren molly Cox, Will Mallard and Drew Ogletree were better
than Jelannie Woods. And I don't think that that's necessarily
like a hot take. I think it's just a real
take and maybe something a hard pill to swallow because
of where Johnny Woods was drafted.
Speaker 2 (12:05):
Chris asked us waiver weier give the Titans the first
pick of everyone's players, or do they just get to
claim one player? They could claim fifty three if they'd like.
They would then have to cut all fifty three of
their players, so you can claim as many. Again, the
Colts claim five in the first Chris Ballard year mark.
I seem to recall a few years ago when your
Bears changed GMS, they claimed a bunch at roster cuts.
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You can claim as many as you would like. So, yes,
they get the first right of refusal if you will,
to every player cut or excuse me, waived, but you
must make a corresponding roster move with that.
Speaker 5 (12:39):
Yeah, you also want to keep in mind, and I
got some clarification on this from the league over the weekend,
so you still have two players that when roster cut
down day comes tomorrow officially at four PM, two players
you can designate to go to IR but to return
for the season and Kevin. When I was doing my
fort three manter roster, I was talking about this with
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Joey Rison of Any Star. I wanted to try to
predict who might be the IR candidates, but I didn't
want to go that far because I'm like, I don't
want to be the guy who's like, oh, this guy,
I'm gonna guess that he goes on IR. That's not
really the most professional thing, but it is something in
the back of my mind, like what is that look
like tomorrow? How does that affect the other fifty three
guys that you do end up picking, Because in theory,
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let's say you know, Jaylen Jones, who I believe is
actually having made significant progress, but someone who had a
hamstring injury, Okay, you can designate him to return from IR,
and so technically you would keep fifty five players. It's
just that when those two players are ready to come
back and actually play, you got to cut another two
to keep your fifty three minute roster at fifty three.
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So just keep that in mind. I know I'm getting
the weeds a little bit. But long story short, keep
giving you the simplest version. There's probably gonna be at least
two players tomorrow who are not on the final roster
who the Colts would designate to return from injury at
some point in the season.
Speaker 2 (13:57):
Yeah, I'm gonna watch running back there andes to Tyler
Goodson a little bit of Khlil Herbert, So that would
be a position I'll watch. You brought up Jalen Jones
a corner that would be another one. Uh, and then
I've got to go to linebacker with Jalen Carlis. We
have not seen him in a couple of weeks. He's
had a boot on that right ankle. Fifth round pick
last year out of Missouri, the thought was he could
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start next Desire Franklin this year. That is not going
to happen, and so that would be another area that
I would watch. Do you guys think the heat is on?
Speaker 1 (14:25):
Like?
Speaker 3 (14:25):
Are we I'm burning up in here?
Speaker 4 (14:28):
I was gonna say, I'm like, yeah, I told you
it was.
Speaker 3 (14:33):
Hot in here. I walked in yesterday to do the
fever game. Mic who turned the heat on in here?
Speaker 2 (14:37):
James is cutting Waight for wrestling without he's here, And.
Speaker 5 (14:40):
Obviously I'm very skinny. I can't be cutting. Wait when
he cramping out by those warrant central players.
Speaker 2 (14:45):
Man, Wait, all of a sudden, we're gonna have a
feather over there, Lena's the rest of the show. Well,
one thing, also, just keep I know, gosh, that feels
great once you did that. Maybe trades, I think around
the league we've already seen I don't know, eight ten trades.
The Colts have done this before, not a ton under
Chris Baward. But James, if you're deep with what lawan
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treadwell white out and all of a sudden you need
a white out. You brought the forty nine ers, I
think earlier, and I look at the forty nine ers
roster and I like your corner depth. I might say, hey,
we're gonna cut this guy. You're gonna cut that guy.
Let's not expose them to waivers. Let's just trade. And
that's something also to keep an eye on. So again,
I know a lot of this you really can get
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in the weeds on. But that is what life in
the NFL is about here for the next thirty six hours.
Speaker 5 (15:36):
Yes it is, And honestly, again, I feel like I
get a kickout of trying to see how many players
I get right on to fifty three man roster.
Speaker 4 (15:44):
I don't know if I've ever gotten one hundred percent
right Kevin, have you?
Speaker 6 (15:46):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (15:47):
I don't. I think I'm usually like a fifty one,
fifty or fifty one. Yeah, no way I've ever gotten
all fifty three.
Speaker 4 (15:53):
I'm still chasing.
Speaker 2 (15:54):
If I did, I think Maddi would probably leave me.
Speaker 3 (15:56):
Who do you think is the best roster hit rate
on the Beat reporters?
Speaker 4 (16:00):
I probably go Joel.
Speaker 5 (16:01):
I think Joel has gotten all fifty three before, and
he seems to make like the calculated guesses better than me.
Speaker 4 (16:09):
I feel like I'm always just like there's no way
they're going.
Speaker 5 (16:11):
To move on from this guy, and they do it,
and it's like, well nn, Joel will tell me and
school me, well, this is exactly why they did it,
YadA YadA, YadA.
Speaker 2 (16:17):
Gosh, Joel differed so much with me, that's probably not
a good thing for me.
Speaker 5 (16:21):
I know, maybe Chap as well, because he's just been
around enough. And but yeah, I don't know. I'm a
little hard on myself. I think me and you might
have been identical Kevin, and I think me, you and
maybe Jake Arthur might have been identical. So I'll sit
next to him. I was doing mine, and maybe that's
part of it is I'm asking guys like, oh.
Speaker 4 (16:40):
What have you done? What have I done? Am I
doing this right?
Speaker 2 (16:42):
Like?
Speaker 5 (16:43):
And so even just counting to fifty three, My biggest
fear of Kevin is one of these years, I'd put
it out there, I'm a fifty two. I didn't count right,
or I didn't add up things right, I'm at fifty four,
and so yeah, the double counting and the making sure
the calculator is correct. Yeah, because I'm like, there's nothing
worth to somebody commenting like there's twenty two players here, James,
And I'm like, ah, yeah, my bad.
Speaker 3 (17:04):
That's just James being the tough grade, Like we didn't
have enough.
Speaker 6 (17:06):
We didn't have.
Speaker 2 (17:07):
Fifty three layers, right, That's exactly yeah, message to what
he thinks of the roster. I got some uber cults
positivity to throw your way coming up here in a
few I'm afraid you might but tumbo it, but I'm
still gonna throw it your way.
Speaker 4 (17:22):
Am I that negative? Well, it might be what it is.
Speaker 2 (17:25):
I don't know. I think you might poke some holes
in it, so I will toss that your way coming up. Mark,
Are we believing in the Cubs? Is this is this happening?
Is this a thing? Is this just a laid off.
Speaker 3 (17:36):
Maybe because Kyle tuk answer right, there was no, Well no,
I'm thinking.
Speaker 2 (17:40):
I mean, the Reds are clinging to life support here.
They look like my kids trying to swim right now.
I mean, there's no chance in the world that they're
going to survive here. And your Cubs just have a
sweep and you and it's met with There's also the
Angels who are terrible. But but Kyle Tucker has been
in like a seven weeks slump. Legit like seven weeks slump.
Speaker 3 (17:58):
He went yard a couple times in the series, started
to you know, maybe heat up the bad a little bit.
So if him and Pete Crow arms Strong and whatnot
can get going, you know, we could see the Colts
have the easiest or the Colts the Cubs have the
easiest remaining schedule in MLB. So let's take advantage. Let's
take advantage of this thing.
Speaker 2 (18:17):
Hopefully Indian Apples Indians back at home this week again
looks to be a great great weather week. TJ McConnell
night on Wednesday, What did we say you have to
slide into first base every player for the Indians. What
are other you have to hype up after every out?
You have to go like this to the crowd and
you gotta you gotta pump up the crowd. Any other
TJ McConnell isms that have to be there on Wednesday night?
Speaker 3 (18:38):
I think you have to every outfield has a run
from the dugout to the outfield.
Speaker 2 (18:42):
You go pull the poll before the starts. Mm hmm.
Speaker 3 (18:46):
Now he better not dirt that first pitch either. He's
got a we need to.
Speaker 4 (18:51):
Wouldn't do that? Oh, TJ strikes me as somebody who
has a clue.
Speaker 3 (18:54):
I feel like it's I feel like people half ass
the first pitch way too much. I feel like they
underestimated me, Like they get nervous, Like remember Alex Pierce
describing it earlier in the off season, you did at
the Cubs game, And you know he and Alex peers,
by all accounts a wonderful athlete outside of football.
Speaker 2 (19:11):
Yeah, you would think he would be able to chuck
one in there pretty good. And he's like, yeah, I
hopped it. I don't know it was the mascot. The
mascot had the big glove and I got.
Speaker 3 (19:22):
Nervous and the cub did nothing wrong there, just gun
one eighty two on the on the outer half of
do this with no warm up and just going through it,
and you're going on the mound. I feel like that
warm up underneath for all I care. No what warms
up for a first pick? I have to go out
to the bullpen.
Speaker 4 (19:41):
No, no, your bullpen catch all right?
Speaker 5 (19:45):
Still around, warm up for your ceremonial first mean.
Speaker 3 (19:49):
I have heard people that do for like they practice
in their yard ahead of time, Like that's where.
Speaker 4 (19:53):
Warming up at the actual stadium.
Speaker 2 (19:55):
No, you need to know the diamond. You need to
go to Skyle's test or round tripper gets stretched out
by the sneak on one of the seven thousand fields
of Grand Park and tow the rubber.
Speaker 3 (20:05):
Let's go, get the lat bands going.
Speaker 2 (20:07):
Mark if the Indian apples Indians asked Mark Dyton, come
out and throw the first pitch. There is no chance
in hell you're hopping it. You are delivering it. There
is no way with.
Speaker 4 (20:17):
No warm up. Just walk out there. When's last time?
Speaker 3 (20:19):
You throw a baseball that far in seriousness, I'd be
smoking the kids if I threw it as hard as
I wanted to know I that far. I don't know.
Probably was back with Ashley or something, back when we're
dating us.
Speaker 4 (20:31):
It's been a while.
Speaker 3 (20:32):
You can still get it the catcher.
Speaker 2 (20:36):
You don't go in front of the plate. You go
behind the plate. You are behind the plate, and I
want the number one.
Speaker 4 (20:42):
We know what we can settle this Indiana.
Speaker 5 (20:45):
If you're listening, please let Kevin Bowen have a ceremonial
first pitch one of these days.
Speaker 4 (20:49):
Please.
Speaker 2 (20:50):
I want to see this tupperware night for Juji McConnell,
like he brings in the Moms spaghetti he had before.
Speaker 6 (20:56):
See.
Speaker 3 (20:56):
I want to do it. I want to do a
first pitch, but I want to chase it with a
beer bat first. So even if you even if you
dirt it, say no more. You're getting the fans cheering.
Speaker 2 (21:03):
Unbelievable. If you want to WATCHO, Mike and Ymca before it,
you wanna you wanna touch Rowdy's nose before you throw
the first pitch.
Speaker 4 (21:13):
That uh.
Speaker 5 (21:14):
If you are trying to do Teaday McConnell knight, you
have to touch the ground and then point up to
the sky.
Speaker 2 (21:18):
Yeah, he does do that at the field. He does
the soccer thing right before he uh, before he enters
an NBA game. All right, plenty. To get to eight
o'clock hour, I've got again some big positives to throw
out on the Colts here in the month of August.
We'll see how much holes get poked into them. A
lot to recap from what was a busy, busy sports weekend.
Will hit on that as well. Kevin Bowen, James Boyd,
(21:39):
Mark Dyton right here on ninety three five one seven
five the fan, We've been talking a lot about Colts
roster cuts today. I'm Kevin Bowen, James Boyd and Mark
Dykedon alongside jeff Ricord will be joining rejoining us coming
up tomorrow again roster cuts four o'clock d By tomorrow,
the cults are typically gone all the way up into
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the deadline, and they had a quarterback deadline, I guess
last week, and we heard that news coming out on Tuesday.
It will be Daniel Jones as the starter here in
twenty twenty five. And now we head to the pay
Less Liquers hot Line to get more into the Daniel
Jones background. He is Pat Leonard from the New York
Daily News Talking Ball with Pat Leonard. That is the podcast.
(22:22):
You can check him out. We appreciate Pat's time here
on this Monday morning.
Speaker 6 (22:25):
Pat.
Speaker 2 (22:25):
Good morning to you, sir. How are you doing great?
Speaker 1 (22:28):
Doing great?
Speaker 6 (22:29):
Gentlemen?
Speaker 1 (22:29):
How are you guys doing?
Speaker 2 (22:30):
We are wonderful. We are hoping to get a little
bit more to the Daniel Jones Giants experience. Of course,
the Colts saw it first hand a couple of years
ago when they got absolutely drubbed there late in the season.
When the Giants did go on to make the playoffs
in that twenty twenty two season, I guess let's start
with the good. Shane Stiken oftentimes brings up that twenty
twenty two campaign. Daniel Jones was at his best in
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that year because.
Speaker 1 (22:53):
Of what I think, because Mike Kafka as the play caller,
and he utilized Daniel Jones as much as a runner
as he did as a passing quarterback. And not that
Daniel Jones can't be the pocket passer, but in that
construct with Saquon Barkley at running back and Daniel Jones
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at quarterback, not to mention they had a defense that
they knew that they could rely on. And so really
what it was about was in Brian Ables' first year
with Wink Martindale at DC, they created a game plan,
like a strategy for how they were going to win
week in and week out. It wasn't just We're going
to roll the football out and play our game. It
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was we believe we can pressure teams with the defense
and then on offense rather than putting all on Daniel
Jones's shoulders to throw for three hundred and fifty yards
and two touchdowns every week, that you could rely on
ball control and also kind of rein in some of
maybe the the potential landmines out there for Daniel and
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the offense and count on a lower scoring but more
controlled way of winning games. So I think it was
tied to the strategy of the team's belief and how
they were going to win, but it also took advantage
of his strength and steered away from some of his weaknesses.
Speaker 5 (24:20):
Again, we have Pat Lennard on the line with the
Sea Covers of Giants for New York Daily News also
has the Talking Ball with Pat Lennard. You can check
that out where you get your podcasts and pat Looking
back at that twenty twenty two season, they started off
seven and two in the year, nine to seven and one,
really nine to six in one because the last game
didn't necessarily matter for their playoff seeding, but looking at
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just the raw win lost total as it you know,
kind of changed throughout the season. Did the NFL sort
of figure them out at some point when you were
covering them?
Speaker 1 (24:53):
Yes, yeah, I think I think really what it came
down to was roster wise, personnel wise, they were not
a strong team in many key areas, so they were
trying to work around with scheme a lot of let's say,
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one on one matchups on the field that teams, if
they figured out they could exploit, could really start turning
the tide on the Giants, And that's kind of what
happened in the second half of that year. Dable as
a head coach never been a particularly strong game manager,
and so getting them into tighter games or putting them
on their heels and having to force them to throw
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late situations like that, you know, took the Giants out
of control of games and put put more on them
having to more obviously throw. In the second half, of games.
You know, Saquon Barkley banged up for a slight amount
of that, but generally, yeah, if they were not able
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to in the second half of that season control the
pace of the game with the running game, then they
found it harder to to ultimately come out on top
down the stretch of it. But I think it was
really more about the strength of the roster, you know,
I think they just they didn't have any other answers
other than what they had generated early on and.
Speaker 4 (26:18):
Then follow up to that. Pat.
Speaker 5 (26:19):
I know this is a broad question, but this is
the question I get often asked here in Indianapolis, is
why didn't it work out with Daniel Jones. This is
the guy who was a number six pick in twenty nineteen. Obviously,
they paid him with the Giants after that playoff run.
They wanted him to be their franchise guy, and you
look up now and he is trying.
Speaker 4 (26:39):
To revive his career. I'm sorry with the Colts.
Speaker 1 (26:44):
Yeah, No, I mean, I think I think the reason
that didn't work out with Daniel in New York. You know,
there's a few reasons. I mean, I would start with
the fact that early on on Pat Shermer in his career,
he really was finding the end zone pretty consistently. The
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issue was he was finding it while taking tons of
hits and also turning the ball over in the backfield
often you know, fumbles things like that. But the main
takeaway I think you have to remember from the early
part of his career is he was getting you know,
destroyed in the backfield behind a rough offensive line, and
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so you saw the playmaking ability both with the legs
in the arm. But I do believe then then as
he ended up with Joe Judge staff and Jason Garrett
offensive coordinator, then the turnover to Brian dabole Mi Kafka,
for one, he was learning new offenses every other year,
you know, at least. And two by the time he
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got to a point where he had a little bit
more of a reliable scheme and stable offense, he was,
in my opinion, you know, shell shocked and more likely
to make a worse decision under duress.
Speaker 6 (28:10):
And so I felt like that accumulated on him.
Speaker 1 (28:14):
You know, I think Daniel's game comes down to he
has I think a lot of people look at him
and they say he's an intelligent quarterback, and sometimes his
skills let him down, and I think you need to
look at him differently. He is extremely physically gifted, like
there's nothing that he can't do, you know, even out
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here watching you know, Jackson Dark throw now for the
Giants versus Daniel Jones's arm in practice, Like Daniel has
a much bigger arm. But what happens is when he
gets into tight situations because of all those hits he's taken,
and the decision making element isn't always there under pressure.
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So it's more like unleash him when you can, and
then when it's in the tight moments, when the field
shrinks in the red zone, that's where the coaches need
to help him out. And that's where the Giants didn't
help him up and out or help him out enough
down the stretch.
Speaker 2 (29:20):
The New York Daily News we can find Pat Leonard's
work Talking Ball with Pat Leonard, his podcast for chatting
about Daniel Jones's time with the Giants. Just a couple
more from me, Pat, and I guess one more in
the Jones front, you know, off the field, maybe in
front of the camera. I don't know, your top ten
pick and he starts playing poorly and he gets swallowed
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up in the New York and media market. You know,
that's that's a conversation that I feel like people have
asked me about. I don't necessarily I find Daniel Jones.
He strikes me as someone that seems like a nice guy.
I don't definitely don't think it's back when he's chatting.
How to describe maybe Daniel Jones more in that area
away from the exact play on the field.
Speaker 1 (30:00):
Yeah, I mean I I had a conversation with him
about this one time, one on one, and he chalked
up his entire demeanor and the way he handles press
conferences and just the off field conversation in he said,
I'm never gonna do or say anything that's going to
put my teammates on my team in jeopardy or in
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a negative light. And that's his hiding light.
Speaker 6 (30:27):
You know.
Speaker 1 (30:27):
So if he feels like any question or sentiment or
storyline or narrative is headed in a direction that isn't
positive for the team, you know, he has no interest.
He will take you know, accountability, He won't hesitate to
do that. I do think in New York it took
him too long though, to defend himself, to stand up
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for himself when he spoke, not that that would have
meant anything either way, because it ultimately was about how
you play. But I do think, you know, the cop
in himself, he always had it, but I think, and
you know, he was able to whether it like thick skin,
handle the pressure, that kind of stuff. You're absolutely right.
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I mean, his press conferences are going to be intentionally boring.
But he does have fire on the field, you know
he does. He does have moments going back to when
he first came into the league, even of the type
of moxie in a huddle that gets people fired up.
Like right now, Jackson Dart is carrying that and the
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Giants are all rallying around that. But I was here,
Daniel was the rookie, and everyone was saying the same
exact stuff about him. You know, the veterans were saying, Man,
I love this kid's energy. You know, I love what
he's saying. Game on the line in his first NFL
start and he's telling us we're going to go down
or we're going to win it.
Speaker 6 (31:46):
You know.
Speaker 1 (31:47):
So what Daniel is is he is an extremely tough,
team oriented person that if you think of him that way,
every time you listen to him or talk to him,
then all makes sense.
Speaker 5 (32:02):
So one quick follow up on that and last one
from me pat talking to him and I tried to
get him to take the bay and I was like,
you New York people, I'm gonna upat for beating the
life out of this guy. I'm joking, of course, but
you know the thing I asked him when he got here,
I said, you came here to win a job, so
do you think you can win it? He never really
went there, and even though he's won it now, he
still won't go there. But as someone who's obviously covered
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him a lot longer than I can, you maybe expand
a little bit more on just a competitive fire you
perhaps have seen from him in certain moments, because I
think that is what I am kind of itching to
see now he's going to be playing and if that'll
come out on the field, if it'll come out on
a post game speech that we might not see, But
just how did that manifest itself for a guy who
I mean, could be, in my opinion, a very nice like,
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you know, librarian or dentist or something.
Speaker 4 (32:49):
But I'm like, no, you're not that.
Speaker 1 (32:51):
You're NFL quarterback, right, No, The number one way you'll
see it is him trying to like run a safety over.
I mean, you know that he in his in his career,
it's actually gotten him in trouble. Like like many quarterbacks
who can run, you know, it's always that decision of
when do you slide, when do you step out of bounds?
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All those things. Daniel is not afraid of contact. He's
often looking for it, you know. Now he has worked
very hard throughout his career though to adjust to that.
But the fire that you're talking about, I think you're
going to see it most when he's when he's using
his legs. If you go back to last year's win
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in Seattle for the Giants, and again they only had
three so it's not hard to find, but he had
a few moments in that game where it was like,
out of the darkness, here comes you know, Daniel, the
Daniel Jones with nothing to lose type attitude about him.
But it most often again even in that game, it
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showed up when he was taking off and running, and
that's you know I was I was eager to have
this conversation with you guys because I don't know what
type of offense they're installing, right now there as you've
watched practice every day. But like if I'm stiching, I'm
dusting off my Eagles playbook with Jalen Hurts, And I mean,
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you know you're probably not running Daniel the same amount
you run Jalen. But I'm I'm using I'm making this
offense and offense where the quarterback and the running back
Jonathan Taylor are read optioning teams to death until they
bring an extra safety down and then I'm throwing it
because that is not only using one of his best
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skills as a quarterback, it also gets Daniel into the game.
Like that is what gets him into games, is running
into and through contact.
Speaker 2 (34:50):
And Anthony Richardson and all of a sudden people are
starting to get a little squeamishyere on this Monday morning.
I do think the RPO aspect, James, I think you
and I have seen it. Yeah, that can be very
effective with him so far? All right, Pat, we appreciate
the time. We'll end with this. We had Tyrone Tracy
in studio about a month ago. Great great story, A
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local kid here to the Indy area obviously had a
really nice rookie season. How is year two leading into that?
Going for Tyrone Tracy, would he expect kind of the role
here with Brian Dable.
Speaker 1 (35:24):
Yeah, he's the lead guy right now. Ball security remains
a continued emphasis. He had one in a practice and
one in a preseason game. You know, both of them,
he was just down before the ball came out. That's
something that bit him last year, whether it was catching
the ball or running. So he has to continue to
emphasize that. But you know, as you know, as a
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converted receiver has a ton of athleticism, versatility. They have
Camp Scataboo now that they drafted in addition to Devin
Singletary in the backfield, but you know, Skataboo will eat
into Tracy's you know, touches and his role there particularly
maybe in sure yarded situations. He's even a good receiver.
But I think the way you look at it is
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in the NFL now most teams can't get away with
just one guy, and you know they're expecting exciting things
from Tracy this year.
Speaker 2 (36:16):
New York Daily News and again it is Talking Ball
with Pat Leonard.
Speaker 3 (36:20):
That is the podcast.
Speaker 2 (36:21):
They're Pat Leonard with us here on the Payless Liquors Hotline. Pat,
Thank you Times a million. We appreciate it. I know
talking about Daniel Jones might not be what you want
to be doing right now. You're busy with your own beat,
but we greatly appreciate it.
Speaker 6 (36:33):
Now.
Speaker 1 (36:33):
Daniel's a man. I hope he succeeds. I think people
are underselling the impact he's going to have on the team. Previously,
on the Fan Morning Show.
Speaker 6 (36:45):
I heard that a little bit of banter about Notre
Dame making the National Title game, and you're right, it's
not everyone makes it there. Some teams win it when
they do.
Speaker 2 (36:56):
I could feel the knife already in there.
Speaker 4 (36:57):
I was wondering when he's gonna twist it.
Speaker 1 (36:59):
Though you are roasted and tosed and burnt, Cris.
Speaker 2 (37:11):
You know it's about I don't know. A couple of
weeks ago, I'm standing there at Grand Park and watching
Colts practice next to our next guest, Nate Atkins from
the Indianapolis Star, and he informs me of uh, he
will be moving on from the Colts beat. I'll let
Nate share whenever he feels the need to what exactly
he will be doing next. But inside I thought back
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to that Mark dyked and clip that was just played
there from Nate Akins appearing on the show, and I thought,
you know what, Nate, I'm not gonna miss you.
Speaker 6 (37:41):
Man.
Speaker 5 (37:43):
You know, do you smell that mark at all? You know,
I think I smell a little beef this morning.
Speaker 3 (37:48):
You're drinking this morning.
Speaker 2 (37:50):
Every time it gets brought up in the media room,
there he is over there, I mean him, and I
cannot be further in the room. He's on the far left.
I'm on the far right, and he just throws another ja.
It's just a subtle jab in there. So Nate, I'm
supposed to say nice things, but I won't miss you.
Speaker 1 (38:05):
I know.
Speaker 6 (38:05):
That's what she said. Was like the last time we
were in that media room, you just said, when are
you leaving?
Speaker 1 (38:09):
Again?
Speaker 6 (38:10):
Like, I dang it, here we go again.
Speaker 2 (38:13):
In all seriousness, congrats, I guess I will leave it
open to you to share anything if you want to
or And I know some people have asked, Hey, what's
Nate going to be doing? But it sounds like that'll
be announced here soon, is that correct?
Speaker 6 (38:29):
Yeah, it's gonna be announced by the new place I'm
going to. So just gotta be a little bit patient
with it. But you know, my wife day was supposed
to be Saturday's preseason game. But you know the way
this jub goes. Still got some writing to do and
things linger, so that's why I'm on here talking and
then I'll be writing a final story, and then I'll
be moving later this week, but staying staying in the
(38:50):
same kind of realm. I'll be doing something similar, just
somewhere else. So uh but yeah, it'll be h I'll
miss you guys and miss India, miss the Colts beat,
but uh yeah, on a different adventure.
Speaker 4 (39:01):
I guess I will say.
Speaker 5 (39:02):
I believe Nate will have a banger story that I
kind of know a little bit about, not obviously a
whole lot about because he's the writer, but stay tuned
for that.
Speaker 4 (39:10):
But for the here and now, Nate, we did wrap
up with the preseason. We do know for Week.
Speaker 5 (39:14):
One the startups all sort of giving our pena on
the decision, right, and why, in least in my eyes,
I would have chose Anthony Richardson or why Shane Styke
can't believes Anthon Richardson isn't ready yet. But for the
sake of this conversation, Daniel Jones is the guy they're
rolling with him, So in your mind, what things can
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they do to help him get back to that level
he played at, which ultimately helped the Giants get to
the playoffs.
Speaker 4 (39:41):
I'll be it three years ago.
Speaker 6 (39:43):
It's kind of interesting the setup that they have right
now when they relate it back to that twenty twenty
two Giant season, because that was the year that Saquon
Barkley went crazy, and it just complimented really well that
Daniel Jones play safe and efficiently of the lowest interception
percentage in the league only through fifteen touchdown passes, but
he only had five interceptions and ran really well in
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addition to Saquon Barkley, So they've got that with Jonathan Taylor.
It's also interesting that they have the Giants assistant offensive
line coach at the time and the Giants running backs
coach at the time, so they are really trying to
recreate a lot of what that offense was while banking
on an idea of their offensive line being stronger. You're
having a lot better weapons for him to throw to.
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He didn't really have that at that time. He didn't
really have it outside of the weak neighbors for for
just like ten games last season. So you know they're
hoping that if they can get him in a passing game,
that that can distribute the ball to players in space,
that Shane Syken can scheme up, whether it's manner zone
coverage in bank on yak plays, that they can do
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that with Michael Pittman Junior, Alec Pearce, Josh Downs, Tommy Ward,
and Nady Mitchell. You know. So they're really banking on
everybody else being the stars around the quarterback. That's what's
flipped so much since when they drafted Anthey Richardson, he
was supposed to eventually become that guy who elevates everything
around him. And part of it, I think is that
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they believe their receiving core is a lot better than
it was when they drafted Anthony in twenty twenty three.
And part of it is just that they've they've really
hammered in on or zoned in on the sort of
operational consistency type stuff, which, to be honest with you,
I don't know that Daniel Jones is what I would
call consistent. I do think he is a guy that
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is a little bit more He's more durable than Anthony,
and he's more accurate on the short range passes. And
you know, he is more operational, and so they're going
to bank on scheme and you know, surrounding talent to
elevate him. And they've got to stay healthy though, because
I don't think this model is going to work if
Jonathan Taylor goes down, and you can say the same
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thing for a couple of these skill players in offensive linemens.
So if everything kind of goes the way they want
it to with the offense around Daniel Jones, he can
kind of be that guy who distributes. And I think
that's what the banking on.
Speaker 2 (42:01):
And that's Nate Akins Inneapolis, star on the Colts beat
for not much longer, but he's with us here on
this Monday morning.
Speaker 6 (42:07):
Nate.
Speaker 2 (42:07):
I thought you did an excellent piece last week, kind
of ten thoughts on, you know, the starting of Daniel
Jones and maybe the missteps the Colts took with Anthony
Richards And was there a point in there that you
found particularly interesting as you know, you went way back,
you know, all the way to that twenty twenty three
draft process, which I thought was a nice in depth
look at the entire what I've label kind of an
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organizational failure.
Speaker 6 (42:31):
Yeah, what I do is I just go back to
that spring and how pretty much they spent every waking
hour in the spring of twenty twenty three to figure
out what quarterback they were going to take, and that
drove the hire of Shane Steichen, and you know, you know,
all the guys that they interviewed, you know, had these
thoughts and ideas prepared about the quarterbacks in that draft
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and what they were looking for. And if you go
back to what they said almost all the way pretty
much up until the combine, they Chris Ballard and Shane
Styke and both talked about how much they liked to
trade such as accuracy and leadership and the obsession of
the position. And there ultimately was one player I think
they were really talking about that ended up in that draft,
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which was c. J. Stroud. And the problem, though, is
they got to the combine where Anthony Richardson gets out
there and he puts on the greatest show that the
league has ever seen at the quarterback position, and they're
combining that with these reports from Morocco Brown down at
the Florida practices about this guy's making some of the
throws and plays on the run that he's never even seen.
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He had en up having a quote later on where
he said that Anthony Richardson's floor is higher than most
quarterback ceiling, and so they just got really wrapped up
in the hype of this quarterback. It was very exciting
at the time, and the whole league was trying to
understand quite what this guy can be. When he did
it started very much and he had a completion precentaion
a low with the talent was so outrageous, and I
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think they banked on the idea that Shane Styke and
work with a lot of different quarterbacks, whether that was
you know, Jalen Hurts as a mobile quarterback and whether
that was Philip Rivers as the pocket quarterback, But that
was only true stylistically, I think in terms of are
they runners, are they throwers? Are they deep ball? Are
they short range? What he had never really done is
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develop a kid who has not played before and didn't
have this kind of baseline of knowledge and wasn't already
obsessive at the position. He had something very different in
Jalen Hurts and Justin Herbert who played so much in college.
And so that's what I think stood out to me
is just that they abandoned what they were looking for
in a quarterback for just about a one month stretch
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or I guess two month stretch between the combine and
draft day. But also they let a draft board spit
out a quarterback to them because they didn't want to
trade up. So by the time they had the number
four pick, you know, they definitely liked the Anthony Richardson
more than Will Levis, but it wasn't an Anthony Richardson
versus c. J. Straud debate in their eyes because they
weren't going to trade up to make that. They couldn't
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find the conviction and they were in love with Anthony
enough to do it. So there's a lot to be
excited for with Anthony Richardson, but I don't think it
fit the sort of conviction and plan you need to
make these kind of quarterbacks work.
Speaker 5 (45:13):
So to pivot away from the quarterback conversation briefly, Nate,
we know that tomorrow is cut down day. Hitch a
three man roster. I do not believe you will be
on it since you're leaving us. However, when you look
at some of these position battles, what group do you
think might have like the closest call, or is there
somebody in mind that you think, you know should make
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the team, might not make the team? Just who we
are some bubble guys send out to you.
Speaker 6 (45:38):
Yeah, I'll say the first cut's already in because that's me.
But going on to actual guys on the team that
won't be here, you know, I think it's I think
injuries took out a lot of the surprises as far
as like guys that are actually going to cut, you know,
just losing Hunter Waller and Justin Wally, and if they
end up moving a couple other guys injured reserve, like
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I think they're considering with Jalen Jones and Jalen Carlis
are two guys that could be options for that. I
don't think they're going to end up cutting guys that
you otherwise would be that surprised about. But it doesn't
mean they're going to keep a few guys that that
might not have otherwise made it. I think Jonathan Edwards,
the undirafted cornerback, is one of those that's going to
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make it, partly because they just had so many injuries there,
but they really like what they've seen out of him
from like a recovery speed standpoint, It's similar to when
Dallas Flowers was that undrafted player and he could he
just had all this athleticism and they wanted to tap
to that and see what they could do with it.
It fits well better and this ism than the last
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with Loui an Arumo playing a lot of man coverage
and he is not, in their eyes, looked scared or
panicked out there. So he has a lot to work on,
of course, but he seems to have enough of the
instincts and feel and confidence for the position. With the
recovery speed, I think that's going to be a guy
that's going to surprise you know, few people. And then
(47:01):
I think Daniel Scott sort of sealed his entrance to
the fifty three man roster with the pick six and
just having a healthy camp for the first time after
he's missed two seasons. Like the front office has always
really loved Daniel Scott. They have an opening it backed
up strong safety after Hunter Waller's injury, and they like
what he does on special teams. So those are a
(47:23):
couple of guys that I think coming into camp people
weren't really talking about or thinking about that I think
are going to make this team.
Speaker 3 (47:30):
Well, Nate.
Speaker 2 (47:30):
As much as it pains me to say it, it
is a sincere we will miss you, I guess maybe
I don't know if I'm allowed to say it. Maybe
in early congrats, but I won't miss the Ohio State
banter by any means. But no, in all seriousness, loved
just watching you work. Great, great written work, and I
thought very thorough and just the questions you asked and
(47:51):
always found myself. Man, that's a great question. I really
feel like that's going to lead to an awesome answer.
So we're gonna miss you here man.
Speaker 5 (48:00):
Before we saw it off, do you have like a
favorite story, favorite game, you cover, favorite moment, give us
some some of your favorites on the way out?
Speaker 6 (48:07):
Okay, well, yeah, I appreciate, definitely appreciate working with both
of you guys who also grind like none other to
do it on the radio and then show up every day.
I just get to do one of those, so it's
a little easier to work hard on my my lane.
But yeah, there's there's so many memories in just three
and a half seasons, and when I go back to
you know, we can focus on some of the craziest
stories that will ever happen. I've never heard of, you know,
(48:30):
contract dispute the way that Jonathan Taylor had it with
the tweets being traded back and forth and Jim Mersey
coming off a luxury bus for a postgame press conference
of sorts, the Jeff Saturday introduction and that whole ride
was crazy. But to me, on the positive en, I
just think to a couple of performances I've never seen before.
You know, that was Jonathan Taylor against the Bills in
(48:51):
twenty twenty one when he ran for four touchdowns and
caught one against the number one defense. Just a moment
where everyone knew in the stadium who's getting the ball,
absolutely nobody could do anything about it. And then Matt
Gay in twenty twenty three in Baltimore. It's shocking to
think that they took down Lamar Jackson on the road
with Gardner minshew in Zach Moss as there is their backfield,
(49:14):
and they did it because they had a kicker who
hit was it, four fifty plus hour field goals and
including a game winner and actually out did Justin Tucker
in his building. So those two performances kind of stand
out to me as like as rocky as this has been,
and crazy as it's been, and maybe not high end
ceiling for the most part, there's two performances that I
(49:34):
would put up there with any f seen in my career.
Speaker 2 (49:36):
Yeah, I would certainly echo all of that. Well night,
We're gonna miss your brother, Thank you for making time
for us here, and we will certainly chat with you
down the road.
Speaker 6 (49:46):
Yep. Thanks as always, guys,
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