Best of Monday 8/4: Colts QB updates, a horrific injury, Haliburton at Summerslam & more!

00:00 – 24:26 – Colts camp notes: Daniel Jones and how he’s looked to this point, a coffee comp of Anthony Richardson and Daniel Jones, how the Colts plan to play the QBs in the preseason, Fever stat of the day, college papers, James’ “leaning and cleaning” saying

24:27 – 38:09 – Sports Illustrated’s Matt Verderame joins us and discusses what he observed at Colts camp, why he would start Richardson, AR’s introspection, more realistic Micah Parsons or Terry McLaurin get moved?, is Shane Steichen’s thoughts on the QB competition a lot more even that what fans think?,

38:10 – 59:32 -  Terry McLaurin and Micah Parsons, Colts talk in regards to the QB competition, Zaire Franklin speaks, the horrific injury to RB Salvon Ahmed, Zaire Franklin discusses the injury after practice, Trey Washington’s involvement in the injury, youth sports

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
You were listening to the Best of the Fan morning
show on ninety three five and one oh seven five
the fan awesome start.

Speaker 2 (00:28):
To the week Here of August fourth, I'm Kevin Bowe
and James Boyd and Mark Dyton. Jeff, we'll be back tomorrow,
Jeff re enters and James Boyd. You exits. You are
off to Baltimore for I guess one joint session, correct,
and then you're back here before the preseason opener on
Thursday night.

Speaker 3 (00:46):
Yes, sir, just a little quick trip out to the
East Coast, and I'm excited to see Lamar Jackson up close,
God bless you, Mark, and to also see what does
his defense look like. I gains a quarterback like that.
Obviously I want to see the quarterbacks for the Colts' purposes,
but defensively, I'm very curious.

Speaker 2 (01:04):
We give a what's up to our good friend Chuck
Magana while you're there.

Speaker 3 (01:08):
Yes, I will. You know, he's probably you know, loving
this to be back in it, you know, with the football,
and obviously he's a lifer as well. I kind of
think of him and Rick Vantery, a lot of these
guys as people who in some capacity will have football
in their lives just because they can't really function without it,
and obviously the health challenges he's been through, so I'm
happy to see him back out there doing what he loves.

Speaker 2 (01:28):
A senior defensive assistant, secondary coach, something like that for
Chuck Magano back with John Harball's staff. I want to
hit something you said a little bit earlier, I know
Mark and the YouTube chat asked this. You said something
about Daniel Jones that he has been more consistent, and
Mark chimed in with, well, if he's been more consistent,

(01:50):
isn't exactly what the Colts wanted from him?

Speaker 3 (01:54):
So yeah, fair enough.

Speaker 2 (01:56):
Do you then take that a step further and say, well,
he's been what the Colts want for and then that
means he'll be the starter? Or are you not going
that far?

Speaker 3 (02:04):
I'm not going that far because I don't think that
Anthony has been as inconsistent enough to just blow the job.
I still think it's relatively even right now, and if
it's even, tide goes to the guy that you drafted
fourth overall. In my opinion, I don't think that Daniel
Jones's consistency which has been better. I don't know if
we charted it Kevin, he will probably have a higher
completion percentage throughout these first what nine training camp practices. However,

(02:28):
there isn't a big enough gap there in my opinion
to say, oh, this guy should definitely start over Anthony.
I think that if he wanted to win the starting job,
he would have to go out there and clearly I'll
play Richardson and that just hasn't been the case throughout
training camp. I think Mark is the one who was saying,
or has been saying, when it comes to the quarterbacks,
if you start Daniel Jones to start the season, you're

(02:50):
telling Anthony it's over. And I don't care what Chris
Ballard says the front office, the team always still believe
in him. No, you don't. If you start Daniel Jones
week going over that guy, it is over. However, if
you start Anthony and it doesn't go well, you still
got Daniel Jones wait in the wing. So I think
it's a little bit easier for transition to go from

(03:10):
you know, Anthony and Daniel than Daniel and Anthony.

Speaker 2 (03:14):
Yeah, you know, there's part of me during the summer
that thought, boy, the loser of this competition might be
the biggest winner, because everyone will be Mark's on this
train early early, Everybody's gonna be wanting this dude to
be the starter, you know, not even by Halloween. Probably
by like the end of September, they're gonna be clamoring
for whoever the number two quarterback is.

Speaker 4 (03:33):
As a Bears fan, there's no more popular person in
the city than the backup quarterback.

Speaker 2 (03:37):
Usually. Sure, well, I would have said this true. We're
not nine days into things at Grand Park. It continues
to be like whenever Anthony Richardson takes over the offense,
that that cheer continues to be much much higher than
it is for Daniel Jones. Yeah, I mean, I would
say Daniel Jones largely has been who he is so
far through camp, and I think a lot of it's
just going to come down to what exactly changed Stike

(03:59):
in once. If he really means consistent, if he really
means he wants to wake up and have a good
feeling for what that quarterback is going to do, then
it's probably Daniel Jones. But if he actually is gonna
sit there and look in the mirror and be like,
you know what, we can't live with that dank and dunk.

(04:19):
We have to do something down the field, then it's
Anthony Richardson. So you know, again, stike it, I don't.
I just think stike it a little bit more pro
Daniel Jones than a lot of people want to admit.

Speaker 3 (04:32):
Then he wants to me publicly, I think because the
work consistency has been brought up over and over and
over again with Daniel Jones, and that is the word
that James Sykin is also mentioned as far as what
he wants at quarterback. So again, I don't think that
Daniel Jones has done enough to really separate himself from
the field or from the pack when it comes to

(04:54):
him and Anthony. But at the same time, as long
as Anthony kind of keeps a close tether to him, mighty,
I would honestly that Anthony might even have a slight
lead at this point just because Daniel hasn't now played him.
You know, I think Anthony gets the nod. But here's
a question for you. Are we going to see a
quarterback change no matter who starts Week one in the

(05:16):
first month of the season.

Speaker 2 (05:19):
I think you got to give that Week one starter
a month.

Speaker 3 (05:23):
Well, I meant like after the first four games, by
week five, do we see a different starter.

Speaker 2 (05:29):
Oh gosh, that's a yeah. That season will be off
the rails at that points.

Speaker 3 (05:33):
That's a real question because in my mind, I'm also thinking.

Speaker 2 (05:36):
At that point you're sharing one in three or oh
and four in the face if you're thinking about making
a quarterback change, right.

Speaker 3 (05:39):
Exactly, And in my mind, if you're looking at oh
and two, that noise is gonna get loud, especially if
the quarterback play isn't good. Now, if you lose the
first two games, and it's because this new defense, which
I would be honestly very surprised, I gave up a
ton of points and you know, bow knicks and Tua.
I'm sorry I keep saying two week because of two

(06:00):
wee molowow. But Tua and the Dolphins, if they go off,
I think that would obviously be a different case. But
if it's quarterback play that causes you to go on
to oh man, that's he's gonna get very very high.

Speaker 2 (06:11):
Well, and it gets back to so far as how
and again the competition is played into this, But it
gets back to a conbo. You know I had back
in March of saying my worry with having a quarterback
competition with two bad and inconsistent quarterbacks. Is that at
the end of the day, you give them inconsistent reps
and they're still bad and inconsistent.

Speaker 5 (06:30):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (06:30):
Here, here's Mark Leach in the YouTube chat. I don't
know if this is fair, but I think this is
kind of funny. He says, AR is dunkin Donuts coffee.
Sometimes it's good, sometimes it tastes like coffee from three
weeks ago. DJ is Speedway coffee, never good, but always
the same, just like I don't know about never good
for DJ. I mean he had led a team to

(06:51):
the playoffs, which was years ago. Daniel Jones actually a
great game against the Colts.

Speaker 2 (06:55):
I think I like that analogy by Mark, but that
was that was the I mean, I think that's pretty
good work. Yeah, Maddie got some dunkin Donuts coffee yesterday.

Speaker 3 (07:02):
I've never had bad dunkin Donuts coffee. How many dos
you going a week?

Speaker 2 (07:06):
Though?

Speaker 3 (07:07):
I mean, if you goes seven days.

Speaker 2 (07:09):
I think you got to be a coffee snob to
really just a shudd and shun the dunkin Donuts like that.

Speaker 4 (07:13):
I'd say it's more like, you know, the Motel coffee,
or like probably training camp coffee or something where it's
like it's here, it's fine. I wouldn't get that. I
wouldn't purchase this for my own house.

Speaker 2 (07:24):
You're just trying to survive in advance.

Speaker 3 (07:25):
Yeah, at that point, which honestly I think that it
would be their proach with Daniel Jones.

Speaker 2 (07:29):
Well yeah, I mean we've the right advance. I think
the anlogie ab us is you know, you're dropping the
middle of the lake and can he keep you afloat?
You know, can he? That's sort of the thought process
with that Ageah, both quarterbacks I thought were really I
thought Richardson was extra poor on Saturday. Yeah, no new disugar,
and then they bounced back yesterday in a better day.
For those that missed it, playing time for the preseason changed.

(07:51):
I can touch on this a little bit. After practice.
It sounds like both quarterbacks will play whatever a good
amount means. But that was the word Shane Second used
on Thursday, and then the reverse of that will happen
for the Green Bay game coming up a week from Saturday.
So again, I don't think it's the most shocking thing
in the world. If you have a quarterback competition, you're

(08:12):
probably gonna let it play out through two weeks of
the preseason, so this will be different, I think in
all likelihood James and what we saw in Richardson's rookie
year where he was named the starter after the first
preseason game. Yeah, with Gardner Minshew. Again, that wasn't like
an outright competition fifty to fifty split as much as
this is. So it sounds like the quarterback plan for Thursday,

(08:33):
Shane will I think the thought was he was going
to tell the quarterbacks tomorrow, probably share it with the
public coming up after tomorrow's joint practice with the Ravens,
and then he will flip flop that for the Green
Bay game. Will you make anything of whoever is the
initial starter Thursday? Absolutely leaving in their eyes whoever starts

(08:53):
Thursday is the leader.

Speaker 3 (08:56):
Honestly thinks so, Hey, this Ravens defense is will to
be very very good. If you want to get reps in,
you want to see what your guy can do, you're
going up against it.

Speaker 2 (09:03):
Of course, got to wait and see if the Ravens
play their starters.

Speaker 3 (09:05):
Fair enough, fair enough, But also I was getting at
the joint practice too, like, who you know, how does
that look?

Speaker 2 (09:11):
But to the tomorrow starter matters to you that too.

Speaker 3 (09:15):
Yes, I think it all matter. I'm not saying like
it's the end all, be all, final decision, But in
my mind, if I'm leaning towards one quarterback over the other,
why the heck would I play him? Second? This doesn't
make sense to me. And I get that, you know,
there's other logistical things you want to factor in, but
I don't see the upside or the incentive to not

(09:37):
play the guy that I think is going to be
my dude first up, simple as that.

Speaker 2 (09:41):
Yeah, the second preseason game, I think it'll be interesting,
like when is that dress rehearsal? Like will they view
the Green Bay game as like, hey, let's actually play
our starters a little bit longer in that game?

Speaker 5 (09:52):
Right? You know?

Speaker 2 (09:53):
Do you get into that sort of feel with justical
stuff I was talking to Remember, you only have three
of these games, Yeah, you know, when you had or
we kind of got in the cadence of like you
kind of slowly progressed towards the third preseason game, then
you played them a little bit longer, and then the
fourth preseason game was the to use the Rick venturi
uh phrase, it was the tryout Bowl. You know it

(10:13):
was all these undrafted guys trying to compete for a
roster spot there. I don't know if I I don't
think I really agreed to Shaton Styke in on the
playing with the defense, though it doesn't sound like they
will play their defensive starting unit much, if at all,
in the preseason. I don't know. I think when you're
sawing a new system, I think it's important to get

(10:33):
those guys some reps together. But he really didn't commit
to any of that. He did not sound like a
guy with much urgency when it came to seeing lou
An Rumo's defense playing.

Speaker 3 (10:44):
And do you think that's because of some of the
injury stuff? Forrest Buckner missed a couple practice I think
with the full Yeah.

Speaker 2 (10:50):
I mean, Buckner's kind of been off and on a
little bit various. Howard's been off and on. I mean
Ziah Franklin, we still have yet to see him in
a full team practice. He did seven on seven yesterday.
Cornerbacks are banged up. Yeah, I mean, I'm sure that
some of it, but still though, I mean it's like, well,
I mean, to me, I think weeks one and two
are just massive. I think they are such a portant, especially,
and if you have inconsistent quarterback play and an inconsistent

(11:13):
defense out of the gate, that's not a recipe to
starting one on one in two or two and out.

Speaker 3 (11:18):
No, And to your point, if you're gonna start Justin Wally,
for example, he needs those reps and I do think
he he'll play a ton when it comes to Obviously,
Jordan practices and should get a good amount of reps
in the preseason, but you know, whenever, and it's always
kind of like dicey, But how do you sort of,
you know, make it all work when you have veterans

(11:42):
who you trust to execute at a high level, like
cam bind them, like your various ward But how do
how does Justin Waller's role change when they're on the
field and versus when they're not. He can play, he
can't play the same way. So I just wonder, how
do you know, wrestle with that decision to try to
get as many bodies out there? You know, I have
any in your starting lineup.

Speaker 2 (12:01):
A couple of things I do want to get to.
I feel like there was a starting job walking into
Grand Park, I thought was pretty secure. And now what
are we about? Two weeks into things up there in Westfield,
I don't think it's secure at all. And then I
think a little on the Terry McLaurin Michael Parsons front,
you know, the seems to be the dominant storyline from
a national standpoint here. Gosh, I'm so glad I don't

(12:23):
cover the Dallas Cowboys for many reasons, but that drama
pinch your damn act together continues to play out there. Yes,
thank you Jerry for that. Are they still doing camp
in California? The Cowboys?

Speaker 3 (12:36):
I'm not so sure.

Speaker 2 (12:39):
Let's see, I thought they were one of the teams
that still goes off site. Like I got a feeling
there might be in my Are you just at Baltimore's
facility tomorrow or are you guys in the stadium? Where
are you at tomorrow their.

Speaker 3 (12:49):
Facility, which is like I think six minutes from their
stadium something like that in a car. So as you
can tell, I researched this.

Speaker 2 (12:56):
Is it open to the public.

Speaker 3 (12:59):
I believe it might be because whenever I see any
social media from the Ravens at their practices, they're always
running out of his tunnel, where like Lamar Jackson and
others are like high five and bunch of kids. So
I'd imagine it's similar to Colts Camp where you have
that fan experience, which is good.

Speaker 2 (13:13):
Again enjoint practice number one. The Colts will have two
joint sessions here, just one with Baltimore than the other
one coming up a week from Thursday with the Green
Bay Packers. Again yesterday afternoon. If I don't know why
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(13:37):
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(13:59):
a friend tries to record her six her sixth straight
double double. By the way, I love the Samarti McDonald
you searr tweet over the weekend about how she's in
grad school.

Speaker 3 (14:09):
Yeah, having a twelve page pay per due on a
four game road trip is wild. I believe. She said
something along those lines on Twitter, and I was thinking
to myself, One, I didn't even know you were in
grad school too, What a beast?

Speaker 2 (14:21):
She said, she's in grad school for applied behavior analysis.
That sounds like something I need for Max Bowen right now.

Speaker 3 (14:29):
It sounds like a story I should do because I
didn't know this. I'm very curious. Actually, I need to
dig more into this, because.

Speaker 2 (14:34):
Yeah, it sounds like a great story.

Speaker 3 (14:35):
She didn't reveal this at all until that tweet, I believe,
and mind you, this is not a player who was
very sure of her WNBA future to start the US exactly,
so it wasn't like she really, you know, playing I
guess logistically when it comes to the school work, but
you know, getting done obviously on the court and hopefully

(14:56):
off the court as well.

Speaker 2 (14:58):
Yeah. She chimed in and said, h I work on
assignments on the plane bus before and after games and practices,
and yeah, twelve page paper due? Woait I just hear
that out loud. Think a twelve page paper. There's no
chance in hell I could write a twelve page paper
on anything right now.

Speaker 4 (15:14):
No, I don't miss those days whatsoever.

Speaker 3 (15:16):
Yeah, I wrote a fifteen page paper overnight in college.
For any students who are ditching school this earlier in
the school year, don't do that if you're listening, because
that was horrible. Was the worst experiences of my college career. Ugh,
pulled an all nighter, turned in some garbage. I mean
I passed the class, but yeah, that was not fun
at all. And actually I got a twenty page paper

(15:36):
assigned for one of my classes. You are my senior
year of college. It was our final and I did
the math and I had a pretty good grade in
the class, and I was like, if I don't turn
this in, I can still pass with like a C minus.
So I emailed my teacher and I said, hey, I'll
just be up front when this is due. I will
not submit anything. You don't have to come find me.
I will take the zero and I'm graduating, so you know,

(15:59):
thanks for your time. She was talcted it. Actually, I
think she's probably glad she didn't have the greatest twenty
pays paper. So got out there with the grade that
I needed to get and my parents were still pleased.
I walked the stage.

Speaker 2 (16:10):
You were peacock strutting after that.

Speaker 3 (16:12):
Yeah, that was like, legitimately, I'm a pretty good student.
That was the only assignment I ever knowingly ditched in college.
But at that point I was I throw in the towel.
I was thinking, do I want to hang out with
my friends, make sure I passed some harder classes and
enjoyed my last couple weeks on college campus besides writing
a twenty pays paper.

Speaker 2 (16:30):
And by the way, I meant to ask you, and
that is the voice of James boyd over there. I'm
Kevin Bow and Mark Dyton with us. Of course Jeff
Record will be back coming up tomorrow. Did I I
thought I heard it just an excellent analogy out of
you in regards to an Anthony richardson comp over the weekend,
and I want to make sure I have this right
if you could share some details around it. The phrase

(16:51):
was if you are leaning, you better be cleaning.

Speaker 3 (16:57):
Yeah, yeah, that was did I hear that? Correct? That
is correct? And the analogy that I was using we
were talking about leadership actually, James boy podcast, I thought
you got you know, sick of hearing me, and you
know Kevin throughout your expension, so I know who I love.
By the way, it's honestly it is. That's a whole

(17:19):
other tangent. But it is great to have an editor
who will actually cover the team because we're always on
the same page when it comes to covering things and
how we.

Speaker 2 (17:24):
Should do it.

Speaker 3 (17:25):
But anyways, yeah, I use the term if you're leaning,
you got to be cleaning, or if you're leaning, you
can be cleaning because I had a job back in
college when I was working in the dining hall and
had an older lady who is basically my little grandma
of college, and she told me that line because the
one day I had done all my work and I
was just chilling and she's like, well, you got to
look like you're doing something. And I used that analogy

(17:46):
with Anthony Richardson for last year, where I think he
was a bit naive and didn't realize that all the
cliches matter when it comes to quarterback showing up early,
staying late, even if you just look like you're doing nothing,
I mean, or look like you're doing something and you're
doing nothing, just pretend.

Speaker 2 (18:03):
So too much lean and not enough cleaning, too.

Speaker 3 (18:05):
Much, I mean, so he told us himself, Oh I
gotta sacrifice more. Oh I gotta say later. And I'm like, well, yeah,
even if you're just there twiddling your thumbs at five
am in the morning, just do it. You hear cam
Ward in Tennessee. He's like, well, I'll get there at
five o'clock in the morning. Realistically, there's probably no need
to get there at five in the morning. However, he's
doing it because it matters optically for the position. So

(18:28):
I think Anthony has learned, or has at least continue
to learn that when it comes to quarterback position, beyond
him playing better, because I think that will solve everything
you need to win all the other little quarterback quarks
that come along the way.

Speaker 2 (18:44):
Gosh, now you say that, I remember I worked in
the finish line warehouse after my freshman year, and yeah,
I feel like I had a boss that said something similar. Gosh,
those are great lines. If I ever become a boss
one day, I need to start writing these down. It's
so true, though, keep these in a book.

Speaker 3 (19:00):
I'm looking at others in the YouTube chatter saying you've
heard the same liune or worth that crew car wash.

Speaker 2 (19:06):
It's like boss one on one.

Speaker 3 (19:07):
School man, I'm telling you, you got to just look busy,
Just look busy, and so I am. I am curious though,
and I don't know if we'll ever get a full
clear answer on this, but just how he approaches stuff
differently than last year.

Speaker 2 (19:21):
Yeah, I mean, I think internally the colts would say, like, hey,
if the meeting started at eight o'clock, he's walking in
at seven fifty nine, And it's like, well, how about
walking in at seven forty nine? Yeah, or how about
walking in at seven fifty two, Like, you know, that
sort of aspect to it. I do think Anthony Richardson
also comes from a different family, climate culture than maybe
some other quarterbacks as well. I think there's a lot

(19:42):
more writing on Anthony Richardson. I don't know if that's
the right way to put it, but like you know, James,
you and I have shared this before. I forget what
streaming app it's on. But they followed him around in
high school.

Speaker 4 (19:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (19:56):
Netflix did the QB one series and they moved it
off of that platfor But to your point, yes, he
was follow him and Bryce Young and.

Speaker 2 (20:04):
Him and right were two of the three quarterbacks, and
it was a from Bryce Young's college high school atmosphere
which was like a college atmosphere and everything around him
versus Anthony Richardson's And yeah, I get that some of
these Richardson quotes you've heard from training camp, they can
be frustrating to people, like, wait a minute, it took
you this long to hear that, I can't be slacking anymore,
and all of that. But we'll see obviously how it

(20:28):
all plays out. I think something to note that I
am eager James for tomorrow when you're out there in Baltimore,
and then of course Thursday night seeing how much Richardson
and Daniel Jones play. I would say Richardson and Jones
have been pretty good in two of the last three practices. Now,
both of those days the Cults wore down three of

(20:49):
their top five corners. Yesterday again was one of those
days where they were really banged up at corner so
that roster.

Speaker 3 (20:56):
Kevin I was like, who's thirty five, Who's three? Said,
who's this? Who's that?

Speaker 2 (20:59):
It is a lot of that at the cornerback position
right now. So again going up against somebody else, because
you know, think back to Cincinnati last year in that
joint practice, I mean the Bengals defense was literally laughing.

Speaker 5 (21:11):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (21:11):
No, I was there at Anthony Richardson for not throwing
the football or when he did throw it not accurately enough.

Speaker 3 (21:17):
They were calling him basically like trash to his face.

Speaker 2 (21:19):
And that turned out to be spot on, unfortunately for
the Colts. And I think I don't want to make
too much out of these small sample sizes we get
in August, but I do feel like if you go
back the past several years, there's been these moments for
the Colts. I e that moment in Cincinnati. I think
back to a preseason game in Buffalo a couple of

(21:40):
years ago where the Colts played their starters, Buffalo did not,
and the Colts backups got whooped in the first quarter.
All right, excuse me, the Colts starters got whooped by
the Bills backups. And again it's like, wait, how much
do you make out of just a little bit of
August sample size? Like, didn't the Lions go undefeated in
the preseason the year they went oh in sixteen? And
didn't the Colts always lose with payon manny in the preseason.

(22:03):
But yet with this Colt's era, I feel like the
August indicators have carried into the season, so I do
think that is something to keep it on for tomorrow.

Speaker 4 (22:14):
One of my best friends who is a Lions fan,
the year they went oh to sixteen, I purchased a
shirt and he says he still has to this day.
I bought him a shirt that said preseason champs because
they're four and oh and he's like, and then we
never won a game? Is the first year he ever
bought NFL Sunday tickets? I bought it to watch the
game and they didn't win a single game?

Speaker 3 (22:34):
Like I didn't know that. That is actually like that
shoulda be like on Jeopardy years.

Speaker 4 (22:37):
So you should have got a refund.

Speaker 2 (22:38):
That was back in the four game preseason schedule. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (22:43):
Wow, so you bought NFL Sunday ticket for the first
year ever because obviously the Lions were out of market
and they didn't want a single game. So he had
all that money that he flutched on the toy didn't
even get.

Speaker 2 (22:53):
You because now he's getting the last laugh. That's true.
Then you're just sitting here as a Bears fan.

Speaker 3 (22:59):
You got a free T shirt out of it, it too. Yeah,
that actually is pretty always wonder is it free if
you've paid all that money. Like when you go somewhere,
you go to the dentist or whatever, and they're like, hey,
you get this free thing. Oh what, I like a coope.
So I pretty much paid for this, but thank you.
That's how I feel most of the time.

Speaker 2 (23:14):
There is something about coming on with that bag and
I'm like, here we go that travel toothpaste. There we go.

Speaker 3 (23:19):
That is clutch. I actually have to get some travel toothpaste.
I'm set airport today.

Speaker 2 (23:23):
Yeah, it's perfect. I know, I'm set.

Speaker 3 (23:25):
I have a question, Smokey the bear shirt or what
is this? What we got going?

Speaker 4 (23:30):
Here?

Speaker 1 (23:30):
Is it?

Speaker 5 (23:30):
Dog?

Speaker 3 (23:32):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (23:33):
Yeah? This is when I went to Tennessee Georgia SEC
game a few years ago. And yeah, me and my
buddies on the boys trip, we all bought Tennessee shirts before.
You know, you can't just walk through the tailgate fields
acting like you're sticking out like a sore thumb. You
gotta blend in.

Speaker 3 (23:45):
So yeah, this is true.

Speaker 2 (23:46):
Yeah, it's one of my favorite shirts. And again, college
football we are nearing.

Speaker 3 (23:50):
Yes, I can't wait. It's gonna be great.

Speaker 2 (23:52):
I think there's three Saturdays away coming up this weekend
and then whatever Saturday it starts on, there will be
no productive James Boyd on that day productive at the
eight o'clock hour, What to make of Terry McLaurin and
Michael Parsons and how that could apply to the Colts.
Also the swagger of Ady Mitchell alive and well, what
was seen and what was heard from number ten here

(24:12):
in week two we'll hit on that and unfortunately quite
the ugly scene near the end of Colts practice yesterday.
We'll recap what exactly took place with that. Kevin bow
and James Boyd and Mark Dyighton here on a Monday,
Thank you for starting your week with us nine o'clock
hour here on this some Monday morning. Colts off from today.
Actually it's a travel day for the Colts, travel day

(24:34):
for James Boyd. Colts will be yeah, I'll be uh.

Speaker 3 (24:37):
You know, sitting next to Daniel Jones and Anthony Richison
breaking down film on way to Baltimore and asking him, hey,
this is what I saw. Hey, Anthony, you got to
get the ball here. Daniel, come on, man, wake up.

Speaker 5 (24:47):
You know.

Speaker 3 (24:47):
I'll make sure to get report back and let you
all know what they think of Coach Boyd.

Speaker 2 (24:50):
Slightly different lines of TSA for Daniel Jones versus James Boyd.
Today let my prechect though I must say Jeff will
be back tomorrow. It'll be Jeff and myself Kevin Bow
in the next couple of days for James rejoins this
joint practice coming up tomorrow in Baltimore again the preseason
opener Thursday. James, I wouldn't say there's been a lot
of national media making the rounds to Grand Park. There's

(25:13):
been a little bit. And our next guest is one
of the members of the national media that has been
to Grand Park.

Speaker 3 (25:19):
Yes, Matt Verdam from s I made the trip out
to Westfield to see Colds practice and he was kind
enough to doing us this morning. So Matt, how you doing,
my man?

Speaker 5 (25:30):
I'm good. How are you?

Speaker 3 (25:32):
I do want to ask, I'm doing great as well.
But where are you right now? You on the road?

Speaker 5 (25:37):
No, it's actually uh, I'm going to be I'm maybe
be in Kansas City tomorrow, but I'm home. I went
off for the weekend, so it's a day yeah.

Speaker 3 (25:44):
Yeah for the phones listening. Matt is one of those
guys who makes you know several tips around the country.
This time of year to catching and checking in all
the camps, and you were able to stop by Colds camp.
And obviously a lot is transpired since then with the quarterbacks,
but just your initial thought on the quarterback battle, and
you know which way would you be leading right now
with the context of knowing, at least for those here

(26:06):
on the ground beyond just that one day you were
out here, Matt that it has been relatively even, but
Daniel Jones has been more consistent, Anthony probably more explosive.

Speaker 5 (26:15):
Yeah, I mean, look, when he signed Daniel Jones, my
first thought was that Daniel Jones is going to get
a real shot to start, and I think he probably
will start now. I kind of feel though, like, if
it's even close, I would start Richardson, because if you
start Richardson and he's not good, it doesn't work. Whatever, Okay,

(26:38):
you just go to Daniel Jones. If you start Daniel Jones,
you're essentially saying, hey, look we're doing Anthony Richardson and
I don't know, like yet, could you go back to him?
Yes you can, but you're telling him you have no
confidence him, you have no faith in him. So I
just think if you're the Colts You're not winning this

(26:59):
Super Bowl at Tam Jones. It's Daniel Jones is going
to go in there and be unbelievable. That's not going
to happen. So I would try to go with my
number four overall pick first, and then if it doesn't
work out, okay, fine, then then you go to Jones
and you at least made a good faith out.

Speaker 2 (27:16):
Matt, you are a part of the group that chatted
with both quarterbacks. I think it's a little different in
the candid nature Anthony Richardson versus Daniel Jones. But I
was kind of struck by some of Richardson's comments with
you guys. He certainly I thought, was, you know, pretty
candidate and explaining like all right, I got to bleep
and get off the pot right now. Could you share
a little bit of what that conversation was like with him?

Speaker 5 (27:39):
Yeah, I look, he was right candid. I think we
spoke him for about eight minutes. He I led with
a quote in my camp report from Indianapolis that they saying, look,
you know, Richardson sat there and said to us, well,
I got to stop slacking off. I mean, that's a quote, dude.
I don't think I've ever had an NFL player say
to I mean they've got to stop sla so in

(28:01):
one day and you're like, well, jeez, I mean, you've
been slacking off the last few years. That's not great.
On the other hand, it takes you know, real introspection
to be able to say that and to say it
assumingly with the idea that you've stopped now. You know. Look,
he also talked about he wants to master the offense
and you want to be able to teach the offense
like a coach. All that stuff is really you know, encouraging.

(28:25):
The question becomes, Okay, how much progress can you make
in an off season, because he's got to make a
lot and he was awful last year, so he was forthcoming.
He acknowledged factor of startle last season. He acknowledged fact
that he frankly hasn't been putting in the amount of
work he had to put in. But he feels like
he rectified that the sefseason. Does that show up in

(28:46):
his play and you know, look, I give him credit
for recognizing that, but at the same point, that's also
you know, let's be honest, I mean, that's a rough
look for a guy who you're coming into the league
expected to be the franchise. But I would also to
sit here and see, he's one of the most inexperienced
quarterbacks that ever walked to the NFL, and he hadn't
thrown a thousand castes between high school and college. So

(29:07):
it's a it's a learning curve. But JENFL, they're not
gonna give you five years. You got to figure it out,
and he's obviously, you know, he's got to figure it
out right now.

Speaker 3 (29:17):
To piggyback off that Matt We've heard a lot of conversations,
and I believe Chris Ballad he's even admitted at this
point maybe we gave him too much too soon, or
perhaps we shouldn't have played him right out the gate.
From your perspective, how has that conversation around quarterbacks changed?
Because I haven't seen in my time covering the NFL,

(29:39):
and I'm going to my fourth season, and obviously I've
watched and been a fan for quite some time. But
over the last ten years, who's the quarterback that was
drafted very high, that weighted and sat. When I hear
references about that, it's Patrick Mahomes, It's Aaron Rodgers and others.
But I mean, those years are getting further and further away,
And I don't know if the NFL is it patient

(30:00):
enough as a league to draft the guys has Anthony
Richardson and not playing right away or how do you
I guess fall in that debate.

Speaker 5 (30:08):
No. I mean, look with Rogers and the Homes, the
same thing was true with both guys. Those guys were
drafted by teams that were originally picking in the twenties,
and Rogers was actually taking in the twenties Malls. I mean,
the Chiefs went twenty seven to ten. The Chiefs were
twelve and four the year Mahomes got drafted. They had
the luxury of sitting there and saying, hey, we're gonna
play Alex Smith. We're a really good team with Alex Smith.

(30:28):
So it's different than when you're drafting a guy. And
you know, I remember that year when the Colts draft
and you know, Richardson and I got to camp that
year and it's him and Gardner. Minshew, you're gonna play
Anthea Richardson. You just are. I got it. It's like
Drake May last year. And there's also talking, oh, are
the Pats gonna play Trader? Yeah, they are they're gonna
play Drake May because they stink they're gonna play them,

(30:48):
you know. I mean, it's just the other thing that's
different is, yeah, I'm thirty month. Hell, it's my birthday.
It is Morris, I'm thirty seven.

Speaker 2 (30:55):
Like thank you. Yeah, man, you gotta hang up man.
I mean.

Speaker 3 (31:01):
James Boys book, he didn't tell me that.

Speaker 2 (31:04):
He didn't tell me that.

Speaker 3 (31:04):
Yeah, I real love out here from my friends, Kevin.

Speaker 5 (31:08):
But it's it's thirty It's thirty seven, guys, it's not
twenty one. But you know what, Like the point I'm
making is like I grew up in the nineties where
if you hired a coach, that coach got three years,
right like Minim that guy was getting three years. You
might have one year now in the NFL, maybe two,
But like there's not a coach on Earth's getting three

(31:29):
guaranteed years coming into the league. It is not. So
I think a lot of times these coaches come in
and they go, Okay, well guess what we got to
win now? I can't wait. I can't wait forever, you know,
We've got to It's like right now with Jackson Dart
with the Giants. Now, Davell actually has had a couple
of years because they had the early success. Dabell at

(31:51):
some point here they're playing Jackson Dart. They're just good,
like if they're one and four of Russell Wilson. Jackson
Dart's playing because Dabell's gonna sit there and so is
Joe Janey're go, well, we've got to win now, We've
got to show something now, and if we don't do that,
we're all. We're fired, We're gone. Our kids are changing
schools like we get to do. So I think that's

(32:13):
a lot of it too. There's just no patience in
the league anymore.

Speaker 2 (32:17):
Matt verder Ran from SI with us here on his
thirty seventh birthday. Gosh, that just makes me all of
a sudden cringe that I'm gonna be thirty six next
month and I'll probably feel the same way Matt feels
about his thirty seventh birthday here coming up, Matt, let's
go with the two big names in the NFC East
right now and their futures. Do you think more realistic
Michael Parsons gets moved or more realistic Terry McLaurin gets moved.

Speaker 5 (32:39):
I don't think either one of them getting moved. But
if I had to say one or the other, I'll
say I'll say mcclaurin just because he's older. But I
would be shocked. I'd be shocked if they're a commander.
You just went to the MFGY championship game for first
time since nineteen ninety one. You're going to trade that guy?
And who's your number one receiver? Deebo Samuel. I'm sorry,
DeVos Anieals not anybody's number one to shave, Okay, I

(33:02):
mean you cannot tell Jayden Daniels, Haylo Jaydon. You're the
offensive rookie of the year. You were spectacular. You've turned
around the biggest dumpster fire for franchise in the league
for the last twenty five years running. Like we're going
to trade away your only real weapon. Good luck to you.
I mean you can't. He can't do that. And also too,

(33:25):
who are they paying you know? I mean Deron Payn's
getting paid, Tunzels paid, he's not short, BIG's up the money.
I just think they figure it out here at some point.
I'd be shocked if they don't. The Cowboys you also
sit there and say, look, history just says Jerry's eventually
going to overpay Mike Brses, That's what he does. He's
just he's gonna sit there. Jerry just wants to have
headlines for a month before he pays. The guy now

(33:48):
in the process is going to infuriate everybody in the building,
but he doesn't care because he's Sherry and he just
wants I made this point on a podcast I did yesterday.
Jerry Jones doesn't care if he wins. He doesn't care,
he's not it doesn't matter. He wants to be in
the headlines. Jerry's version of winning is leading first. Takes

(34:08):
a block four times a week. That's what Jerry cares about.
And if Jerry does that and they go nine and eight,
that's great. Hang the banner. That's all he cares about.
Like he doesn't. They're not a serious franchise and they
haven't been for a long time. And I think eventually
he'll pay Parsons forty three million a year and Parsons
will get over it, because money, you know, fixes everything, right.

(34:30):
I mean, if your boss pitches you off, but then
all of a sudden your boss doubles your salary, you're
pretty good with your boss again. Like it's just I
think that's how this goes. I think that's how it shakes.
But the cowboys in particular have a long standing history
of waiting forever to pay guys and then overpay him.
And that's exactly what's gonna.

Speaker 3 (34:49):
Happen, Matt. I'll tell you this. You know, when it
comes to money, people always say, you know, money can't
buy happiness, but if I got just enough, it might
make it close enough where I can't tell difference.

Speaker 5 (35:01):
Yeah. Look, money doesn't buy happiness, but it buys a
lot of things to make you happy. And yeah, I
mean Michael Parsons. If all of a sudden Jerry walks
in there, it's just, hey, Mike, listen, how four and
one eighty sound. I gotta tell you, Mike Parson's gonna

(35:22):
be a cowboy like that. Everybody's gonna get over it.
That's's gonna happen. And I just I think that's where
this will.

Speaker 2 (35:28):
Probably end up, Matt. Last one from me. You obviously
have done some training camp tours and you are about
to restart them again. I know a lot of them.
You no longer go off site. Grand Park where Cold
Teather Training Camp is one of those places you do
go off sites about a twenty thirty minute drive from
their team complex. How does that compare to I guess

(35:50):
some of your other training camp stops, because that obviously
has changed a whole lot around the NFL over the
last probably ten fifteen years.

Speaker 5 (35:58):
Yeah, you know, I like it. I like getting away
from team facilities. Like I said, be in Kansas City,
uh tomorrow for Wednesday's practice. And that's uh that they
I mean, they practiced at a college out in Saint
jo Missouri, which is I mean they they they're they're
at that college. Y're in dorm rooms for about five weeks.
They don't even leave. But yeah, it's you know, it's

(36:21):
it's cool, it's unique. And the Vikings are at their
own facility, the Lions there, they're at their practice, always
saying with the same with the Bears, and that the
Packers are right there at Lambo. I mean they're they're
in a shadow a lambeau Field. I think it's always fun,
you know, to kind of get away and feel like
you are it was isolated, but you know, kind of
just you know, in that mode of football. And I

(36:43):
think where the Colts hold their stuff in Westfield, it's
great for the fans. You know, they have a great setup.
You can get in and you can see everybody. And
the day I was there, it was about one hundred
and ten degrees, it felt like, and uh yeah, there
was packed. It was packed. I mean, so it's I
think it's good when fans have full access and they
can see the team. And especially for fans maybe they

(37:04):
can't afford to go to a game and spend a
lot of kind of money. I think it's a really
good thing when when teams get away and get fans
opportunity to go and watch and uh, you see there
see their heroes.

Speaker 2 (37:13):
Well, and we'll see tomorrow if Kansas City is playing
a little tune maybe here, you know, maybe just a
little bit. Yeah maybe Matt Verd I got down on
the sideline. I can see Andy Reid getting down to that.

Speaker 3 (37:34):
Yeah, Matt, Well, we got on a birthday slate man.
You can't can't be just talking to us on the radio.

Speaker 5 (37:39):
Oh god, what do I have my birthday slate guy?
Another radio thing? And then uh, I'll probably go play
some pickle ball because I'm elderly, and then there we go. Yeah,
then I don't know, probably, I mean, I'm a Townian.
I'll probably like a birthday can only and sit there
and eat it in silence as my kids are at
day camp and just live to drink there.

Speaker 2 (37:57):
You nothing can screen thirty seven year old more than
that description right there. Matt Murduran, Matt safe travels man,
and thank you for the time.

Speaker 5 (38:08):
Hey, thanks walking, I speak here Tuggle.

Speaker 2 (38:11):
NFL in the nine o'clock hour. Matt Verderam from Assai
gonna join us. He made a stop at Colts training camp.
What was that, James? Probably a handful of days ago
at this point.

Speaker 3 (38:22):
Yes, and he's usually you know, doing a lot of
chief stuff as well. So afterwards I was asking him,
you know, Chiefs quarterback room or Colts quarterback room.

Speaker 2 (38:33):
Well, that's certainly quite the debate you could have.

Speaker 3 (38:36):
Yeah, I was ready to argue, but no, that was
not much for an argument on my on my part.

Speaker 2 (38:40):
But speaking of Chiefs quarterback room, my brother said he
ran into one Carson Wentz at a local Kroger over
the weekend. Is Carson Wentz done?

Speaker 3 (38:51):
I believe he's a free agent right now. I don't
think he's done. Okay, hear me out.

Speaker 2 (38:56):
What's that age for Carson Wentz? Definitely north of thirty
right three two.

Speaker 3 (39:01):
He is currently a free agent, I believe let's see, Oh, no,
he is signing with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers.

Speaker 2 (39:09):
Is that what we have here?

Speaker 5 (39:10):
No?

Speaker 2 (39:11):
Well, why was he at the local Croaker?

Speaker 3 (39:12):
I don't know this this side I might not trust.
I want clicked on the side about this. And then
I'm like, I'm not seeing an ESPN dot com.

Speaker 2 (39:21):
Todd Bowles and Baker Mayfield having training campusigns of high school.

Speaker 3 (39:24):
Yeah. I don think he's a free agent. I don't
know what this article is about. How he was Mahomes'
backup last year, I know, and honestly he I think
he is probably a one on the better side of backups.
You look at the other ones out there, you know,
Tyler Huntley and Teddy Bridgewater and CJ. Bethird.

Speaker 2 (39:43):
Teddy Bridgewater's doing the high school thing, isn't it. I
know Evan Phillip Rivers in our high school kickoff here?

Speaker 3 (39:50):
Do you welcome him back?

Speaker 2 (39:52):
If we're not here?

Speaker 3 (39:53):
If one of the Colts players goes down, well, the
Colts quarterbacks goes down, I can't interest you in Carson
wins Over.

Speaker 2 (39:59):
I think I think Jim Mercy might have some words
for you from up yeah, up in the sky.

Speaker 3 (40:03):
I'll say, you might come out the grave and be like,
oh no, this is not gonna happen.

Speaker 2 (40:06):
No, that is not happening. Okay, sure, sure whatever. Colts
in Baltimore, they'll fly out there later today and then
joint practice coming up tomorrow. I did want to hit
just briefly on the national storyline, and again we will
recap what was just an awful scene frankly Layton Colts
practice yesterday here in a few minutes. But you know,

(40:28):
obviously the Michael Parsons, Terry McLaurin trade request, Michael Parson's
direct quotes if I don't want to be here anymore,
are really dominating the NFL storylines James. Oftentimes, when players
of this elk express similar views the question immediately they
fled your timeline, they fled my Yeah, and it's probably

(40:50):
happening in thirty one other.

Speaker 3 (40:51):
Yeah, marketing literally in my real job. You know, hey,
you got a trade request for us. I'm like, I
really don't.

Speaker 2 (41:00):
So what do he make from a realistic nature? Like,
is this something that the Colts should and take either
or take neither? If you would like, do you think
the Colts should be in the market, And again I
always ask for realistic nature. Should they realistically be pursuing
Terry McLaurin and or Michael Parsons.

Speaker 3 (41:22):
So I'll start with this. I think Terry McLaurin is
more likely to potentially be moved than Michael Parsons. Michael
Parsons is a twenty six year old top three edge
rusher in the NFL, not name what Miles Garrett or TJ.
Watt like. He's elite and he's been elite for a

(41:42):
few years now, so he's he's very valuable. And as
much as you want to entertain the idea of him
being traded, you're the Colts, Colts, if you're the Cowboys,
you know he can request to trade. You could just
tell him I'll see tomorrow. That's how NFL contracts work.
He can be upset about it and all those things,
but he's not going anywhere. In my opinion, however, I

(42:05):
would lean if I'm the Colts and I'm trying to
look at this through a realistic lens, I would lean
more towards Terry mclauren because I feel like it will
be less of a cost to give up to get him.
For example, I'm not sure I would give up a
first round pick for Terry mclauren. If you go after
Michael Parsons, you're giving up probably two first round picks,

(42:26):
if not more compensation on top of that. So to me,
if there was a world where I thought, okay, could
I offload Alec Pierce or potentially Michael Piman Jr. To
bring in Terry mclauren, that to me seems like a
more realistic path than Michael Parsons, which is I mean

(42:47):
Heaven and Earth. And I debated this JAMV on Friday.
I believe Kevin because he was saying he believed that
if the Colts traded for Michael Parsons, it will be
a move to legitimize them. My counter to that is
that you only make that movie if you know for
sure your quarterback is a dude.

Speaker 2 (43:07):
Yeah, That's That's where I'm at it. If you don't
have the answer at franchise quarterback, I largely think you're
frozen from doing these types of things.

Speaker 3 (43:18):
But could I interest you in Sarry McLaurin because he
would help your quarterback situation in theory, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (43:23):
But I just think a little. I think you're still
stuck in the same place of looking for that guy
and and today's.

Speaker 3 (43:30):
Looking for the quarterback. You mean right right like that,
it's definitely Arry mclauren is that guy.

Speaker 2 (43:38):
I mean it, you know, I I go back to
you know, when Buffalo drafted Josh Allen. They traded up
on two different occasions to get to number seven overall
to take Josh Allen. And if you were, certainly if
you were to do the Michael Parsons deal, or even
if you were going to dabble into Terry McLaurin, I
mean you're talking draft pick plus money, draft picks plus money.

(43:58):
How much does that hinder you from making a trade.
Or if all of a sudden you're a nine win
team but your quarterback play looks me again, then are
you just stuck in the teens without a first round pick?
If you're going to trade for a guy like Michael Parsons, right,
and let's say you give up your second round pick
for Terry McLaurin, are you just hoping and praying somebody

(44:20):
falls sixteen or seventeen or you know you don't again
have that second round pick. It's like you know, I
know the NFL, in the NBA, maybe it's not exactly
apples to apples, but you know, I think a big
reason why the Pacers were able to pivot so well
they had all that available to him to them. So yes,
they made the huge trade for player for player to

(44:40):
get I should say players for players to get Tyree
s Halliburn. But when all of a sudden the Pascal
Siakam thing was presented, they had all their first round
picks to be able to go ahead and make that
sort of move. I don't view the franchise in a
light where they're able to dip their toes into that water.

(45:01):
And I just don't think band aids work in the AFC.
I mean, I know I've done this exercise many times
on the show before, but we can go down the
list of AFC teams that feel like they've got their
quarterback right now. Yeah, and it's eight nine ten and
a lot of them are right with that. And I'm
not even including you know, what you know New England

(45:23):
might think of Drake May or what you know Tennessee
might think of cam Ward. I mean, if you just
look at Lamar and Burrow and Stroud and Josh Allen
obviously in Mahomes and Herbert. I mean that list is
a very impressive list, and so I as much as yes,
these players would be upgrades and would certainly help your

(45:44):
team at critical positions. I think when you don't have quarterback,
you're frozen from trying to entertain this stuff, which I
know is not the Madden video game you want to play,
but I think it's a reality you have to live in.

Speaker 3 (45:57):
You do, you do, and honestly, it all comes back
to the quarterback. So often in this sport we talk
about defensive schemes and defensive units and skilled pets and players,
but it just comes down to often do you have
a guy that guy like you said in Capitol Letters,
Kevin under center throwing the rock and the teams that do.

(46:20):
For example, I believe Houston kind of was aggressive. I
want to say maybe last off season a year before
where they went out and got Stefan Diggs and they
you know, they tried to go get I think.

Speaker 2 (46:28):
The win that even trading up for Will Anderson Junior.
You know, a couple, you get a.

Speaker 3 (46:32):
Dude that quarterback you''re especially on a rookie deal, you're
willing to, you know, take those swings. But in the
Colts this case, it's been so convoluted with you know, injuries, inaccuracy,
the benching where you can you can't really be aggressive
like that with Anthony sort of in limbo as far
as being your franchise quarterback or not well.

Speaker 2 (46:53):
And I also think James, you do see teams start
to plan ahead for this stuff, Like you know, Cleveland
last year, remember Jacksonville coming up to get Travis Hunter.
Cleveland gets the additional first round or for next year.
So now Cleveland could be looking at two top ten picks, yeah,
their own and then Jacksonville's. Remember late in round one
there was a surprising trade back in April of Atlanta

(47:16):
coming back into round one. They traded with the Rams.
Well what's the Rams thought process? Fine? Life after Matthew Stafford.

Speaker 4 (47:23):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (47:23):
Now they have two first round picks for next year
and what is supposed to be, you know, a very
good quarterback draft class. So I think part of that
is kind of where where it's played into as well.

Speaker 3 (47:35):
I would agree there. But as far as actual moves
the Colts can make, do you think there is a
possibility that we could see another potential free agency signing
before the end of the summer. Is there any position,
Kevin you're looking at to say maybe we can add
just a little bit here, a little bit there, Because
for me, I do think linebacker is one of or

(48:02):
am I sold on what I've seen from Joe Bachi,
who's had a good camp. I gotta give my credit
Austin and Jake Cameron mcgron. A am I okay with
that being my backup plan.

Speaker 2 (48:15):
Well, let's go to linebacker for a second, because I've
he's on a couple different occasions here throughout the show.
Walking into Grand Park, I'll speak for myself. The thought
I think from me and I think definitely internally was
Jalen Carlis as a starter next to Sire Franklin. Jalen Carlis,
for those unfamiliar, fifth round pick two years ago, made

(48:38):
the position switch from safety to linebacker in the NFL.
Played you know, a decent amount for a Day three
rookie last year, and I thought flashed a bit ej
Speed now moves on to Houston. The thought is now
Jalen Carlis becomes a starter. Jalen Carlis was taking some
second team reps over the weekend. Wasn't out there yesterday
and you mentioned Joe Bachi number forty eight for those

(49:00):
that have been out at Grand Park. He picked? Was
it Jones he picked on Saturday? I think it was
in a seven on seven. He comes over from Cincinnati
with obviously lou An Arumo knows the defense, knows the
defense exactly, and he's gotten a ton of starting reps
here without Zaire Franklin. Now Zaire is yet to play
in the eleven on eleven periods. Maybe that happens tomorrow,

(49:22):
but I guess to answer a question, yes, linebacker's one
I definitely would be looking into. And I also sit
here nine days into training camp thinking we might have
an open starting job next to Zire Franklin, which I
didn't think that would start a camp. And Carlis has
been pretty quiet during camp. I don't think we've seen
the amount of playmaking like we've seen from some other guys,
so on the radar of kind of things. I'm now

(49:45):
looking forward as we get into joint practices, as we
get it in preseason games, as we start transition. Linebacker
continues to be one, and you know Zaia's overall health.
You could look at the Zaire thing one of two ways.
One you can look at and say, well, he's never
been hurt, so everything will be fine. Yeah, or you
going out and say, this is the first time he's
ever had surgery in the NFL. This is the first

(50:05):
time he's ever missed three months in his NFL career. Right,
he's nearing thirty. How does he look, you know coming
off of that. So yes, to answer it, I would
say linebacker and to.

Speaker 3 (50:17):
Kind of pivot a little bit. Talking to I ear.
It was fascinating to hear him say what went into
the decision to have the surgery? Because he referenced the
Minnesota game that they played and I believe this was
the twenty twenty two season, Kevin.

Speaker 2 (50:34):
Oh, I assumed it was Sunday night football this past
Well was.

Speaker 3 (50:36):
It Sunday night?

Speaker 5 (50:37):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (50:37):
Oh yeah, it was. Actually, you know what, I completely
forgot about the game. Actually, both again times they went
to Minnesota, they were awful when it comes to the
outcome of those games. So yes, I would I would
imagine that is the game he's referencing, and yeah, exactly,
And from the sounds of it, it bothered him a
little bit more as the summer went on. So for

(50:58):
those asking on, oh my gosh, he knew he needed
surgery right away, why didn't he get it sooner? I
think a lot of it was a pain tolerance thing,
but also he had been playing through it and with
it for a while. He made a joke yesterday and saying, man,
if you all knew everything that these guys went through,
all of us went through, you would have articles for days.
And then I want to tell them, well, if you
got you know, any more, you know, injuries you wanted

(51:20):
to disclose, or you want to stitch on your teammates,
feel free because we all, as we know Kevin is
a running joke in the media room that every year
at the end of the year we go over to
the Forest Buckner and we say, hey, off the record,
what are you dealing with? And he lets blah blah
blah blah blah, and it'll have like eight sex regardless.

Speaker 2 (51:37):
But yeah, and South America, Yeah, that was as open
as he's been.

Speaker 3 (51:41):
He went to Panama togainst you know, stem cells surgery
for his ankle, but for Zayre's purposes. Yes, I wanted
to make that clear that it wasn't like he neglected
getting the surgery. I think it was like a last
resort type of thing because he thought it would get
better on its own, and it didn't. Into his credit,
he's still in theory going to be available for the
start of the.

Speaker 2 (52:00):
We'll get back into the quarterback combo here in just
a second. A very important and needed bounce back day
for Matthey Richardson in particular, and I thought there was
a rookie that actually probably at his best practice so
far off camp. Will do that here in just a second.
But James, let's hit on what was certainly the scene
of yesterday in such an unfortunate scene and really one
of the more eerie scenes I've seen out at a

(52:22):
cult training camp practice late in practice during a live
tackling period, and for those kind of unfamiliar with this,
Shane Stiken has done this probably I don't know, let's
call it a handful of days here throughout camp where
the third teamers they go live. Earlier in practice, actually,
Riley Leonard led a touchdown drive during a live period,
but savan Achmed, who is kind of a veteran running

(52:46):
back fighting for a roster spot, he breaks one in
the open field, and I would say he was probably
about I don't know, maybe ten yards from the goal line,
going down the sideline, and it looked like he was
going to score an undrafted safety tray. Washington tries to
tackle him, which again is allowed. You can take these
guys to the ground. Jumps on Achmed's back and it

(53:09):
kind of gets ridden frankly for about five or six
yards and it got to the point, James where it
turned into a little bit of slow motion and I thought,
we're all waiting for him to let go. Yeah, I thought,
watching myself, like, oh boy, how is this going to end?
Because it was starting to get to the hip drop tackle,
and unfortunately that's what it turned into. Washington took him

(53:29):
to the ground and it was a horrific scene. The
right leg injury labeled as a severe right leg injury
by Shane Stike in very quickly the field. The crowd
immediately silent and sadly, the only thing that could be
heard was the scream, the very audible scream from Ahmed.
Team came around him, cam bine him, it appeared to

(53:51):
lead the team in a prayer. He was eventually I
think air cast stretchered off. Looked like there was an
ambulance coming to pick him up there thereafter. Again, Shane
Stiken said after practice severe right league injury on that's
just awful. And I guess I will say this, James,
because you were out there at the practice. Last year
we saw a little bit of a similar play from

(54:15):
Nick Cross against Josh Downs.

Speaker 3 (54:18):
Yeah. Last year that cost I think Josh Downs the
first two weeks of the season because h An.

Speaker 2 (54:24):
Cast him about a month or so. Yeah, I would
say two things different from this play. One, that play
with Cross was not a live tackling period, No, this
was two. That play occurred a little bit more in
the middle of the field like in the action.

Speaker 3 (54:41):
Yeah, it was a little bit more like bang bang
type of dah.

Speaker 2 (54:45):
This one with docmed is again he's thirty yards down
the field, he's borderline going to score.

Speaker 3 (54:49):
I believe he might have scored, you know, before the
injury actually occurred. He was crossing the goal one at least.

Speaker 2 (54:53):
Or just to set all that up, Let's play the
Sire Franklin clip and I'll let you react to it, James.
But this was AYR. Franklin after practice yesterday in describing
what he saw and sounded like he was one of
the veteran leaders that Shane Sekin talked to you after
the play about, you know, should they finish practice.

Speaker 6 (55:09):
I love Savon. I mean I've known Savan for about
nine years, my knowing back when he was at U
dub back when I was training in Seattle as a
young pup. Extremely tough, you know, praying for him, loving
on him. I'm an obviously shoot him a text. I
know he's probably going through all kind of mental stuff
right now. It's a tough situation. You know, young try me.

(55:30):
He's competing for a job straight up, you know. So
he's out here trying to compete and trying to be better.
And you know, we're warriors on that field. When we
step on that field, we understand what's what's what the
possibilities are. Obviously we're a team, so we're trying to
we're not trying to hurt each other. But at the
same time we're competing. These guys are trying to feed
their family. So it's a part of the game. But

(55:53):
definitely a tough break for Zevon. Definitely praying for him.

Speaker 3 (55:58):
I couldn't you don't necessarily fathom what Savannah is going through.
And obviously I've never played football at that level to
really sit up here and say, oh my gosh, I
can understand completely where they're coming from his teammates. But
I thought what Zayer said was pretty you know, empathetic
and also kind of shows, you know, the brotherhood of

(56:19):
the NFL, of this game that they play. And I
thought it was interesting and also fitting that Zayer would
also extend some grace to Trede Washington because keep in
mind those live periods, those reps. The reason why Trede
Washington actually went that hard, I believe in that moment

(56:40):
was because every little thing counts, And I think Zayer
is a perfect person to talk to and allude to
in regard to that Kevin, because this is someone who
may not have had the opportunity to become last year
a second team All Pro if he didn't get those
developmental reps years ago as a seventh round pick, trying
to make the roster, trying to make a name for him.

(57:00):
So you know, if people are upset about the live
tackling period, it's like, well, you know, these guys need
that to showcase what they can do. And without that
you wouldn't see some of the underdog sort of su
sex stories that you've had. Now, No, I'm on a
tangent here, but that's one of the reasons why you're
talking to some of the guys about the NFL possibly

(57:21):
shortened the preseason. It's like, well, if you shorten the preseason,
all the underdogs, all the guys that might be diamonds
and the roughs, they'll have less opportunities to kind of
be that person. And so again, unfortunate to play yesterday
with Trade Washington and Savann. But at the same time,
I don't think that like this should be a referendum
on like, oh my gosh, we should never tackle again
in live periods or Charlie asked.

Speaker 2 (57:43):
If you should cut him Trey Washington, would you cut
him over that play?

Speaker 3 (57:51):
I think I would have to sit down after my
anger or just frustration had, you know, dispersed, because in
the moment I was definitely say and cut him. In
the moment, I'm like, just get off the field, what
are you doing? But now you know, I haven't slept
on it myself. This is me personally, James Boyd. I
do feel for him. I understand he's a rookie. He's
coming from a level where they allow that kind of tackle.

(58:14):
So honestly, it would be a knock on him, but
it wouldn't be, in my opinion, something where I'm like,
you got to just get out of my sight. I
brought him in for a reason. I want to see
how you perform. Can you bounce back from this? And honestly,
you know, it was a long start for you to
make the roster anyway. But I don't know if I
necessarily cut him for that.

Speaker 2 (58:33):
Yeah, I don't think I would either. Yeah, they're all
emotion of watching that unfold yesterday, and you had fans
chirping at him. Frankly, right after that play happened, Chris
Bauer did go over to him, it looked like pretty
quickly right after the play happened. I assume some sort
of consoling. I think there were some veteran defenders that
went over. I mean he stayed knelt on that sideline
for a while, like even when they restart, he knows,

(58:55):
he knows, Yeah, he knows full well. I thought though
the Zaire clip, I wanted to play that for a reason.
You know, I feel like Zaira was a seventh round
pick out of Syracuse, so at one point he was
in Trey Washington shoes. I think it's the very difficult dynamic,
and you know, I think you bring up a good
point undrafted kid from college. You know, again, Nick Cross
wasn't undrafted, you know when that happened last year, and
that wasn't even a live tackling period. So so far,

(59:18):
obviously we've seen nothing from a those points.

Speaker 3 (59:21):
Again there you would never see a lot of the
underdog stories.

Speaker 2 (59:25):
Third teamers get three to five reps.

Speaker 3 (59:26):
Every Pyeah, so they need that. It is just, you know,
a very poor decision and obviously a very ugly outcome