December 2, 2025 • 59 mins
00:00 – 21:53 – Morning commutes, Sauce Gardner injury clarity, Charvarius Ward discusses his most recent concussion, Daniel Jones’ college roommate made his leg protector, Lane Kiffin’s insane exit to LSU
21:54 – 38:03 – IndyStar Colts reporter Joel A. Erickson joins us to discuss the update on Sauce Gardner, his pool reporting with NFL officials after the game, delay of game confusion, Colts kicking situation, why he hates the city of Jacksonville, Wisconsin small towns
38:04 – 59:29 - – Pacers head coach Rick Carlisle joins us and discusses the loss to the Cavaliers last night and where it went wrong, Jay Huff stepping up, Pascal Siakam’s game-winner against Chicago, his childhood fandom
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You were listening to the best of the Fan morning
show on ninety three five and one oh seven five
the Fan.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
I haven't heard this one for quite a while, Mark
dykon where did you come up with that one?
Speaker 3 (00:11):
There?
Speaker 4 (00:11):
Going bank of songs here? I like the way you
have to day figured ice cube is always solid.
Speaker 1 (00:17):
Yeah, but speaking of ice Cube, it's mid twenties right now.
I just went across the hall at WIBC. All the
school delays are on their website right now at WIBC
dot com, and they did tell me two hour delay
for all IPS schools at this point in time.
Speaker 5 (00:32):
So yeah, we start to win lists. We used to
have to watch the TV like it was a Super
Bowl like it was and.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
Wraft wait for the crawl.
Speaker 6 (00:39):
Yeah, it was like watching it for the lottery. Now
it's all on Twitter, it's all online. These kids don't know.
Speaker 7 (00:45):
Nothing flipping channels. Are they closest to my letter in
the alphabet?
Speaker 8 (00:48):
I know?
Speaker 3 (00:48):
Man?
Speaker 5 (00:49):
And then if you missed your letter, you're like, oh
my gosh, do I wait here?
Speaker 6 (00:52):
Does mom? Just trying to see if the school's open?
Speaker 4 (00:53):
You turn it on and you just missed the letter?
Oh yeah, I can wait another fifteen minutes now.
Speaker 7 (00:58):
For those at the end of today morning commute. I
didn't think it was too too bad by any means.
Side roads pretty mad, but I thought once you got
to the main roads just kind of wet. So safe travel, certainly.
But I think we're all in the general agreement from
our different areas of town that the morning commute maybe
a little bit longer, but nothing too strenuous.
Speaker 3 (01:17):
Today.
Speaker 1 (01:17):
Yeah, I think they've got a lot smarter as time
has gone on. Back in the old days, when it was,
you know, just horses and wagons. For me, James, growing
up in Colorado, we missed. I missed my entire life.
They sent us home in the middle of the day
one time in Colorado uphill both ways. No, it was
just it was snow. You deal with it, put the
chains on the car and go. It's probably a little
(01:39):
smarter now with insurance and everything else going on they
used to have. So these kids, they've got it better today.
People got smarter as we got older. I think, Kevin,
there is what happened.
Speaker 6 (01:49):
So did they even have snow days anymore?
Speaker 5 (01:51):
They just do like iMac like is that a thing
where they just well like so if Jake and Grant
can't come in for school, they say, Okay, we're going
to hop on the iPad for the day. I would
hate that. I kind of liked the ear I grew
up in where like we didn't have We had some technology,
but we didn't have.
Speaker 7 (02:07):
And I always feel like e learning for like the
elementary kids. I mean, what are these dudes just hopping
on these young kids just hopping on their zooms?
Speaker 5 (02:14):
Learning means that you're going to be e learning as well, right,
So no child care for you, Kevin Bowen, Yeah.
Speaker 7 (02:21):
I trust me. It seems very difficult.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
So check your specific school and district.
Speaker 1 (02:26):
But a lot of folks in the area are working
on at least one and a half hour two hour
delays this morning on.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
Their way to school.
Speaker 1 (02:33):
And like I said, coming in from the north side
on the highway, a little bit slower, Kevin, But.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
I didn't find it too terrible. Wasn't that bad?
Speaker 3 (02:40):
Yeah?
Speaker 7 (02:40):
A couple extra minutes from here.
Speaker 1 (02:41):
Yeah, and you're you're like right around the corner, James.
You could probably walk the work as quickly as you
drive the work, didn't you.
Speaker 5 (02:47):
No, not at all. That would be a very long walk.
But I enjoy driving and living close enough to drive here.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
All right, that's what's going on on a Tuesday morning. Here,
it's ninety three five, one oh seven five the fan.
The Colts coming off a tough loss at home, a
divisional loss against the Houston Texans. They get ready for
another divisional game against the Jacksonville Jaguars, and all in
all for a Monday James, it sounds like pretty good news.
Sauce Gardner, the guy you just traded two first round
picks and Ady Mitchell four is not going to be
(03:16):
lost for the season at this point in time.
Speaker 5 (03:18):
Yeah, so Shane did say he expects him to play
and be back this season. And then on top of that,
it was a great question by Kevin to follow up
and then say, okay, Well is injured reserve of possibility,
which means an automatic four game absence, and he.
Speaker 6 (03:33):
Definitively said no.
Speaker 5 (03:35):
So they'll put more on the plate of the other guys,
starting with Shavarius.
Speaker 6 (03:39):
Ward, and then I.
Speaker 5 (03:41):
Would say less heralded players being Jayleen Jones and Makai Blackman.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
How do we feel about the state of the secondary
right now without Sauce Gardner and a diminished Mooney right now?
Speaker 2 (03:53):
Mooney Ward.
Speaker 7 (03:54):
Yeah, Mark, let's play this audio for Mooney Ward yesterday.
You know, we talked a little bit about it on
yesterday's show. I feel like over the last couple of weeks,
Ward in particularly just a step slow since coming back
from the concussion. And you know, cornerback to me is
a position where when you are a step slow, everybody
sees it. Everybody can see it. And I thought, and
(04:18):
I guess, just go over everything with money Ward. The
man has been through just unimaginable, frankly things over the
last year year plus. Lost his young daughter a year ago.
You know, we talked a little bit about the concussion
symptoms that he had last month, was pondering if he
would play football ever again. So whether you want to
(04:39):
look at it from the personal tragedy or his professional life,
he clearly is dealing with a lot. And I think
he's been pretty candid throughout this past year about how
that stuff has clearly impacted him, and he mentioned yesterday
it's impacting his play right now on the field.
Speaker 9 (04:57):
I just just got to get my mind right in
my heart right, you know. Once, you know, once I
get my mind right, my heart right, I think my
physical physical body and the way I perform, that'll be good.
But like I said, as long as my mind cloudy,
I don't really play good all the time. So I'm
just trying to, you know, focus in like and then
(05:19):
get you know, get get focused. And I think I
started playing better.
Speaker 6 (05:26):
Definitely feel for him.
Speaker 5 (05:27):
That was in response to when I asked him what
areas of your game do you think you need to improve?
Speaker 7 (05:32):
Because he said he wasn't playing to a standard previous exactly.
Speaker 5 (05:35):
And again this was not me thinking, oh, he'll take
this on a more personal journey route. It was in
my mind, I don't know something about technique or film
study or being a little quicker with your hands whatever,
And he really kind of opened up his heart a
little bit and vented about, well indirectly about some of
(05:55):
the things he's been through. So I do feel for him,
and I do wonder how much of that weighs on
him just all of a sudden, he's been through clearly,
and I'm not going to sit here and say, you know,
it's time for you to move on or it's time,
but it is a point where I think professionally the
colts have to ask themselves, can't he get back to
(06:17):
that level and how can we help him do that?
And I just wonder what that process looks like when
he mentioned this more mental than physical.
Speaker 7 (06:24):
Yeah, And if you look at the rest of the season,
James five weeks to go against Sauce Gardner, the expectation
based off a change I can said yesterday's he will
return sometime the next four weeks. If you look at
the schedule at Jacksonville at Seattle home to the forty
nine ers, those are the next three games. You know,
Kenny Moore early in the year deal with the CAF injury,
missed three games. Okay, let's say Sauce misses those three,
(06:48):
that means he'd be back for Jacksonville Houston in the year.
Which you know, again, if you're ranking these games, they're
all important, but those two could be absolutely vital. Now,
of course, you got to position yourself to be in
a decent spot come week seventeen. But you know, if
you're gonna rank these games, the NFC games would be
(07:09):
four and five on that list of just general importance. Again,
right now, without crowd of the AFC is AFC South is,
everything is important. But if you're going to rank them,
if Sauce is going to miss games, those would be
the games, okay whatever, if you're gonna lose any those
would be the ones that you would want to lose there.
But yeah, I just I really feel for Mooney war
(07:30):
and I think it is clearly impacting his play on
the field. I would like to see Kenny Moore and a
little bit more, just like of their base personnel, it
seems like when they have it seems like Mikaile Blackman's
on the field too much, I guess to summarize it succinctly,
in my opinion, they continue to outsnap Jaalen Jones with
those reps. I'd like see Kenny frankly just be that
(07:51):
outside corner with Sauce out the next couple of weeks.
But you know, the Jags are really banged up at
wide out, so you know that's a little bit promising.
But the week after that, Jaxon Smith and Jigbo has
been the best receiver in the league this season, So
there you go that and.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
He's been roasted everybody like no one has been immune
to what that guy has been doing. And you make
a great point, James, you always want a guy to
be able to get room to heal whatever is going
on with him physically, mentally, emotionally.
Speaker 2 (08:20):
Whatever it is. You're on his side.
Speaker 1 (08:22):
You want him to get better, But there is a
point where a team has to say, hey, we're gonna
help you get better. But right now, what's better for
the Colts is maybe we need to do something a
little bit different while you're on that healing journey.
Speaker 6 (08:33):
Yeah, I'm just curious about that.
Speaker 5 (08:35):
You know, can you get back to the love you're
supposed to if your mind and heart aren't one hundred
percent in it?
Speaker 6 (08:41):
And I'm not questioning the love of the game.
Speaker 5 (08:42):
I mean clearly if you look at the guy's story
comes from nothing undrafted Jue Corau all the above to
getting not one but two pretty hefty deals in the NFL,
being a second team All Pro, most pass defenses in
a single season. I think of forty nine is history
all the above. But yeah, how do you again? I
don't want to say get passed that because you can't
(09:04):
get past losing a kid or lose anybody you love,
But how do you try to find the best version
of yourself in this? I guess new normal for yourself
or new state of your life where there is going
to be some tragedy in the hard days, So again
I feel for him. Definitely don't want to speak out
of turn when it comes to what he's going through,
but I appreciate the candor as well.
Speaker 6 (09:25):
I mean, this is a guy who.
Speaker 5 (09:27):
He definitely when he gets in front of Mike, there's
probably some things that I don't know if I wear
his shoes, maybe I don't say, or I don't share.
Speaker 6 (09:35):
But he's as real as they come, and I can
always respect that.
Speaker 1 (09:39):
Yeah, we just all wish the best for him, and
I hope that he continues to get through whatever he's
going through. Because two of the three of us here
are dads. I can't even fathom what that must be
like Kevin, and you just hope the best for him
and his family and everything else. But on the other side,
there is a point for the cults where they need
what they need as a football team.
Speaker 7 (10:01):
How about Alec Pearce well hail Mary bat down on
Sunday Show.
Speaker 5 (10:06):
To Cam buying him too for saying that he would
have picked it because he was like, could you imagine
if he was like, you're taught to bat it down?
And Alix Piers did when he was taught, but he
was like, could you imagine catching a touchdown pass in
a game and then catching a pick in the same game,
and you're not high school anymore.
Speaker 7 (10:20):
I mean when that ball was thrown, I mean he
obvious pierce fashion, he literally positioned himself perfectly. Yeah, to
be the first one to touch it. I thought to myself,
if he picks us off, we might have an interesting
little fifty yard run back and see how long he
can make this happen here. But Alec Peerce, ever, the smart,
the former defender at Cincinnati.
Speaker 6 (10:38):
That's his problem. He's not selfish enough.
Speaker 7 (10:40):
Maybe he should play Maybe he should play corner right now.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
Maybe you should have a little talk with him when
you meet the guy.
Speaker 5 (10:46):
Yeah, yeah, shout out to Alex Pearce, who's actually from
near where I grew up, so I know him in
the family pretty well.
Speaker 3 (10:52):
Man.
Speaker 1 (10:52):
He's turning into a terrific wide receiver. It's been a
lot of fun to watch. He saw last night Patriots
got to win over the New York Giants in a
game that wasn't even nearly as close as the score
might indicate. Drake may look fantastic. The Patriots are sitting
there at eleven and two on top of the AFC.
Denver keeps winning games somehow, some way, by hook er,
by crook. They're ten and two, and then after that
(11:12):
it's Jacksonville eight and four. They will put the Ravens
in the fourth spot right now because they're leading their
division at just six and six, and then after that
the Chargers are eight and four and the Cults are
eight and four, So two are the Bills eight and four.
And now with that win, Houston is seven to five,
just a game behind Indianapolis and losing three of these
last four, they they've kind of lost that cushion they
(11:34):
built up the first ten weeks of the season.
Speaker 7 (11:36):
Kevin, Yeah, there's no kind of about it. They have
lost it. So yeah, right now they are in the wildcard.
They have the sixth seed. Huge week, not only obviously Colts, Jaggs.
You mentioned Steelers and the Ravens right there. They are
tied atop the AFC North, So that is a big,
big game speaking from an AFC standpoint, and also Texans
(11:56):
Chiefs Sunday night football right there. So yeah, we mentioned
it a little yesterday. I know people want just get
Kansas City out of there. Colts can't be greedy. They
need to root for the Chiefs on Sunday Night football
to beat Houston. So I will continue to keep an
eye on that. And again, any kicker movement today, any
kicker truts. Look, every option has warts when you're dealing
(12:18):
with a backup kicker. The problem for me with Michael
Basi right now is he has got warts in two areas,
three point shooting and layups. You can't have warts in both,
So who cares if you can't kick from fifty plus
your r It's fine. He's got to make the layups
and right now, those are the issues that you have.
So can you try and just band aid that? Can
you try and find somebody that at least can give
(12:40):
you steadiness from a layup standpoint. We'll see how active
the Colts are with kicker tryouts today and what the
rest of the week looks like.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
Man off for the extra point is Michael Bagsley.
Speaker 7 (12:51):
It's the loudest sound in sports, and I feel like
it's only happened in the last four years that all
of a sudden so loud. I think it's start with
what's his name?
Speaker 3 (13:00):
Was it?
Speaker 7 (13:01):
Parky Double?
Speaker 4 (13:03):
How could I forget.
Speaker 2 (13:04):
I was gonna say that was right in your wheelhouse there, hunk.
Speaker 4 (13:07):
Yep, Matt and Naggie looking like a buffoon on the sidelines.
Speaker 6 (13:11):
What just happened? Your kicker stinks and we knew that
all year, By the way.
Speaker 7 (13:14):
Shout out to Daniel Jones's college roommate. I heard them
say in the telecast that his roommate from Duke made
the pad that he wore around his injured fibula, and
earlier in his career he had developed some sort of
medical device that he used for a I think it
was a calf injury earlier in his career. Can you imagine,
(13:36):
like those are your college roommates?
Speaker 4 (13:38):
Well, I liked how I was like, JJ watt, what
are your roommates? So he's like probably drinking beer and
being stupid.
Speaker 7 (13:42):
I mean, my college room got thirty seven parking tickets
in a month span. I mean, like that's the most
thing he's proud of.
Speaker 3 (13:50):
Now.
Speaker 5 (13:50):
My cause roommate is living out in California, justice side
of LA and just bought a house.
Speaker 6 (13:56):
So he's doing fairly well for himself.
Speaker 7 (13:58):
Well maybe, yeah, I guess that's due education for you.
Speaker 6 (14:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (14:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (14:03):
A shout out to my college room is a mechanical
engineer and he is living the life. But yeah, I
did see that video and it looks like the pad
is on his left leg and it was three D printed,
if I'm not mistaken, And so, yeah, smart roommates, and
I actually want to ask him about it, like, you know,
is this something where you really trust your you have
(14:24):
to really trust your college roommates with something like that,
Like how legit is his.
Speaker 7 (14:28):
Business just going to team Yeah, I'm good, guys, I've
got my college.
Speaker 5 (14:34):
He probably won't get into it, but I'm very curious
about how that whole process goes, because this isn't just oh,
my friend gave me a hat to wear and promote,
like this is legit. I need this to go out
there and perform at the highest level.
Speaker 7 (14:44):
Buddy's got a printing T shirt business.
Speaker 5 (14:46):
Remember here, who was the running back who got the
big hat started? And he wore the big hat after
the game I forgot and it became like a big hat.
I don't know, but it became like a thing for
a little while. And he's like, oh, yeah, my friend
made this company and it's big hats and it took off.
This is not that this is I need you to
make sure my leg holds up throughout the most crucial
(15:08):
point of my career in a very violent game.
Speaker 7 (15:10):
We need Lane Kiffin rock in the big hat at
as LSU introductory pressor, did you see the left is
closed just like outside?
Speaker 6 (15:18):
Husband? I love that his war sec.
Speaker 7 (15:24):
I love it.
Speaker 5 (15:25):
He said that ole miss fans, we're trying to run
him off the road on the way to the airport,
and he said, I understand it.
Speaker 6 (15:31):
It's the passion of the SEC. I was gonna say
that is nuts.
Speaker 2 (15:35):
I believe him.
Speaker 3 (15:35):
Boy.
Speaker 1 (15:36):
The other part different down there, man. The other part
of that is, he also says, but then I get here,
l s U. It's been so warm and everybody can't
wait to see it and congratulates. I'm thinking, yeah, go
on a three game losing streak at Streetport and find
out how that works out.
Speaker 6 (15:50):
Kelly, how things are going right now?
Speaker 2 (15:54):
I'm sorry, Yeah, they baton rouge. That whole area shreeport
baton rouge.
Speaker 8 (15:59):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
They'll turn on you so fast.
Speaker 6 (16:03):
So Kevin, I don't know.
Speaker 5 (16:04):
I'm on a tangent here, but you are like my
resident college football watcher, expert type of guy.
Speaker 7 (16:10):
I love college football can you explain, I.
Speaker 5 (16:14):
Guess, briefly, if that's even possible, what the heck happened
with that? Because I'm so confused. He wanted to coach
Ole Miss. There's no way you should be able to
do that if you take another job. But also it's
unprecedented because you had a chance to win a national championship,
best program season they've had in a long time, and
you leave, But you would have got paid the same
(16:36):
amount of money, but LSU has more resources.
Speaker 6 (16:38):
So I'm just like, Okay, I understand that you made
the move, but it's just weird.
Speaker 5 (16:43):
I feel like there's so many tentacles, and every time
I read something, I'm more confused than before.
Speaker 7 (16:47):
By the way, it's a great College of Basketball slate tonight,
not just locally here if you're looking for something to
watch on Tuesdays.
Speaker 2 (16:52):
It's true.
Speaker 7 (16:52):
Basically, what I've gathered about the Kevin story is so
Florida and ls you both wanted them really really bad.
Speaker 3 (16:56):
Right.
Speaker 7 (16:57):
Florida was more hesitant about letting the the Lane Kiff
and operation be run in their backyard. There's a lot
that goes with Lane and a lot of it maybe
might be a little bit questionable.
Speaker 5 (17:07):
So did we kind of get like not bannised, but
he was like not the hot ticket? Do they go
to Florida Atlantic?
Speaker 7 (17:12):
Well, yeah, I mean hel Nick Saban fired him on
the tarmac and and you know he's got the Tennessee drama,
the USC drama. So yeah, there's a lot with Lane.
I you know, I need a book on this. So
basically I think he views LSU is a little bit
more of a it's really hard to screw up. But again,
Brian Kelly is one of the few that screwed it up.
You know, when you look at it from a head
coach standpoint, what Les Miles at Ordron and who else
(17:37):
wanted to Yeah, I mean you know all of it.
You know, all those coaches seemingly just followed a bet
and you win there.
Speaker 1 (17:44):
But also the only one that didn't get fired eventually
was Saban, who moved on to Alabama. The other two
guys that won national championships were fired not too long
after they won those Nationally.
Speaker 7 (17:53):
I think the old Miss nerves comes back to like,
if we get back to being old Miss and you
start to have what ever seven to win eight win seasons,
will they treat you like seemingly every other SEC program
treats you that seven to eight wins is not good enough.
And I think Lane is also somebody that craves a challenge,
(18:14):
and craves you know, wanting challenge to me is the
right word. But once a new opportunity.
Speaker 6 (18:19):
He's only fifty when it comes to coaching.
Speaker 7 (18:22):
Holly did the NFL thing.
Speaker 4 (18:23):
When it comes to coaching exits, Lane Kiffin is on
the Mount Rushmore. He's all four heads because he's got
Al Davis given a PowerPoint as to why he's fired
in the NFL and escaping to Old the LSU and
all that it is.
Speaker 7 (18:36):
I mean story I read the story yesterday is from
CBS Sports about the Kiffin exit from Old Miss, and
in there they were describing the scene at the airport
of the Old Miss fans going the one finger salute
towards Coach Kiffin as he boarded the plane. And I
guess Charlie Weiss's son, I didn't realize Charlie Weiss's son
was the offensive coordinator there. Charlie Weis junior is also
(18:58):
heading to LSU. Great writing detail here, James, you can
appreciate this. Boots on the ground journalism. It was mostly
college age young men decked out in new balances, but
there were also multiple children, including one infant wrapped in
a blanket and sucking on a pacifier. It's never too early,
after all, to teach.
Speaker 6 (19:18):
Hate WHOA what a bar?
Speaker 7 (19:21):
Well you if I told Maddie A, I'm heading to
the local airport with Nelly. We need to get out
of the house into.
Speaker 6 (19:27):
The regional airport. Gotta flip this guy off.
Speaker 2 (19:29):
I've got outside.
Speaker 7 (19:31):
When you get I got a middle finger to get
up in the air.
Speaker 6 (19:34):
That's crazy.
Speaker 7 (19:34):
I love it.
Speaker 5 (19:35):
The only thing I will not necessarily well, I guess
the defend laying on is when people tell me, oh, well,
like he's in it for the money.
Speaker 6 (19:41):
We all are. I'm gonna I'm gonna be very honest here.
Speaker 7 (19:43):
What you get in the money, if you would would
have been the same, if you're the old mess side of.
Speaker 6 (19:47):
That, right, it would have been the same, right, right.
Speaker 5 (19:49):
But for those saying like oh, even if they didn't
give them the money, then then you're a liar. If
if anybody comes to you and say, hey, you can
do the exact same job in a different state for
six million dollars more you're leaving now. Again, A lot
of that has to do with the money would have
been matched, but the resources I think at LSU are
probably better.
Speaker 7 (20:07):
Can we all get on board of this opening night
of college football next year?
Speaker 6 (20:12):
Yes?
Speaker 5 (20:12):
Yes, I thought about this, Yes night game, Yes LSU
at I need this, Yes, inject into Vegas.
Speaker 6 (20:20):
I actually think that he would have to have a
ton of security to go back there.
Speaker 4 (20:23):
Yes, they said they go Ole Miss or LSU goes
the Ole Miss and Tennessee next year.
Speaker 5 (20:29):
Oh, I just make just make their schedule. All of
Lane's previous stops haven't played the Raiders to they're only
My only.
Speaker 1 (20:35):
Prediction is that whether it's two years, three years, four
years from now, it'll end the same way it always
ends with Lane Kiffeit it will not end well for
him there.
Speaker 7 (20:43):
By the way, Florida at Duke, that's Cameron in door tonight,
Connecticut at Kansas Braylan Mullins back for the Huskies that
is at Allen Fieldhouse, And North Carolina.
Speaker 6 (20:53):
At Rock is Darren Peterson back?
Speaker 7 (20:55):
You think Darren Peterson? The hope is he will play
him play in Vegas in that tournament there, So I
love that Tonight he obviously got purduing Butler both playing tonight,
but from a local standpoint on campus venues, there should
be some great atmospheres and college basketball.
Speaker 1 (21:09):
Well, my kids were little like like Nell. He's my
favorite thing to do was just sit on the couch,
hold them and watch sports.
Speaker 7 (21:16):
I really thought for a second you were going to
say drive to the regional airport in Greek coaches.
Speaker 1 (21:21):
Never done that. Maybe I should put maybe I need
to get that off my bucket list.
Speaker 7 (21:26):
I'm trying to think who the Denver Broncos coach was
in nineteen, you know, ninety eight or something that you
could be booing Mike Shanahan.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
It was Mike Shanahan at that point in time.
Speaker 7 (21:36):
I guess you wouldn't be booing.
Speaker 2 (21:37):
He won two Super Bowls to walk it off there. Well,
it did end well for him either.
Speaker 4 (21:41):
Wade Phillips, you can give him the burden.
Speaker 2 (21:43):
There you go.
Speaker 1 (21:46):
Coming up in a moment, we'll talk Colts with Joel
a Ericson right here on ninety three five and one
oh seven to five of the fan. Let's turn our
attention very quickly now to the Indianapolis Colts. They'll be
traveling to Jacksonville on Sunday. Boy, do they need to win?
They need some good news and here to tell us
nothing but good news. I'm sure Joel Ericksons, the Indie
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Star covers the Colts joins us on the Payless Liquors Hotline. Right, Joel,
nothing but good news today?
Speaker 3 (22:11):
Right? Uh? Maybe not?
Speaker 2 (22:20):
What can you tell us? Do we have any good news?
Speaker 8 (22:24):
Well, it's good that it's good that Zaus Gardner's calf
injury is is not the season ending, is not does
not appear to be something that's going to keep him
up the entire time, So that that is good news.
I know there was a lot of a lot of
people who watch that happen and thought, you know, their
mind went.
Speaker 3 (22:39):
To the worst right away.
Speaker 8 (22:40):
But it sounds like even after a lot of times
when you talk to a player in the locker room
after after they get hurt, they'll say, you know, I
think I'm going to be fine, and then uh, it
turns out that, you know, the MRI disagrees. But this time,
this is this is one of the times that the
player was right about their own their own injury and
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it's not a season ending or something like that.
Speaker 5 (23:06):
I just remember standing in the scrum after the game
with Sauce Gardner in front of us, and of course
there's a bunch of cameras and reporters and Sauces describing
the injuries like yeah, it felt like it was more
high up in my calf, not really lower. And then
I have Joel behind me. He's going it was high.
He goes, yeah, it was high. And for a second
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there I thought he asked him are you high? And
I was like whoall, Like, this is not an appropriate
time to be asking those questions. But nevertheless, Shoe positive
news on that front. But we were talking about this
yesterday on the show in regard to the poor port,
and so I'll say the scene a little bit. I
saw the flag not a flag on kennymore than second
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for the defensive pass interference, and I was thinking, Man,
I'm always making jokes to Joel, who is our poor
reporter at these games, about having to do a poor
port for something tiki tak, but went over this time
and I was serious. I said, Hey, Joel, we might
need a poor port for real. So can you give
the listeners behind the scenes of what an actual poor
port looks like if you're the reporter involved.
Speaker 3 (24:07):
In doing it. Yeah, so.
Speaker 8 (24:12):
You have to reach out to the league, usually through
whoever's in charge at the game. You reach out to
the league, and they want you to They want to
know exactly what you want to ask about. So for example, uh,
it wasn't enough to say, you know, the play where
Kenny Moore was called for past interference because you also
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had to say you wanted to ask about the delay
of game penalty. You can't just say one play and
and then and then they want to know that ahead
of time. I get a phone call. I know, I
saw some people saying, like I, I hope you guys
were sitting in that room laughing at these these answers.
But that's the thing.
Speaker 3 (24:55):
There is no room. It is.
Speaker 6 (24:57):
It's it's a phone.
Speaker 8 (25:00):
Usually it's me in the tunnel because obviously we have
to get in the locker room and talk to players.
It's a phone call. It goes through the league to
the even though even though again Clay Martin, the referee,
within the same building we were, it's a phone call.
And then, like I said, the hardest part is I
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think the hardest part is that you go down thinking,
you know what the explanation is going to be for
a call and getting ready to ask follow up questions
on that, and then if it changes, you don't have
the replay in front of you to come up with
something to ask right away. So like, for example, with
Kenny Moore's past interference, I was getting ready to ask
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a follow up question about whether or not tangled feet
should be allowed to be a you know, be part
of a penalty, because in my understanding, it's not, and
then the referee says they called it because of an
arm grab, and I gotta be honest, I didn't see
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an arm grab at any point in that play when
I watched the replay up in the press box. And
so then you know, the follow up I kind of
lose it because I was thinking one thing, and then
I'm trying to think was there an arm grab? I
don't remember there being much really any contact at all,
and and it kind of throws you off a little bit.
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So that's that's another thing. Is The other thing is,
like I know some people wanted us to ask about
face masks. If you saw the answers that we get it,
they kind of come back and they just they just
stated as if the penalty was the most obvious thing
in the world. We don't get really an explanation. They
just tell us this happened, and this is the way
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it works, and it doesn't really matter how you follow
up either.
Speaker 3 (26:52):
That that's kind of just what they what they do.
Speaker 7 (26:56):
Joe, nothing against you, certainly. I just think the Pool
report is so dump like. At least in the NBA
to two minute report, they will admit if they're right
or wrong. That's the day after the fact. The Pool
report happens ten minutes after the game ends. They're never
gonna admit that they're wrong. They're just gonna state exactly
what you just said there about Kenny Moore. We thought
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there was whatever a grab at the top of the route.
It's not like they're going to actually dissect the film,
go over it, and then have the we were right,
we were wrong, like the NBA two minut report, which
I get, you know, people, I mean, there are a
lot of fans out there that hate all these sort
of two minute pool reports whatever. But at least from
an NBA side of it, you'll get the right or wrong.
The NFL you get none of that.
Speaker 8 (27:39):
Yeah, I agree, I mean, I think the poor report
system is essentially designed to make it so that there's
less questions asked. Because if we're if all of us
are shitting in a room and this the referee has
coming and answer these questions, you know, Well, what happens
in the press conference is you're it might be going
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one way, my head might be going the other way.
But that means we end up talking about those things
that we're thinking about, whereas with the pool report, you
don't have that it's on the phone, you don't really
have the chance to ask, you know, wide ranging questions.
It's it also like there's also a piece of it,
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you know, I think James, James, you can back this up, Kevin,
you can back this up. A lot of times when
there's a call, we think about like, well, do we
need a pool report on this? And we kind of
know what you just said. We know that they're going
to just say it as if it wasn't controversial or
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even really a tough decision at all, and so it's
like do we need like do we need it? You know,
do we need to go ask them for something that
they're just going to kind of speak from like an
alternate reality where this was really obvious. It is, it's designed,
like I said, it's designed to sort of to me,
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it seems like it's designed to sort of make it
tayp down criticism officials. I don't know if it works
or not, but it doesn't give you a lot of leeway.
Speaker 7 (29:11):
No, it does not work. Joel A. Rickson from the
Indiapols stories with us here on the payloist Suckers hotline.
One thing before we move on, Joel, and you are
a NFL Fishinado, you propose a rule change for you
and see if you agree on it. I asked, and
you walk down to us during the game on Sunday, Hey,
what questions would you have for the pool report? And
I said to you, and I think I already know.
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The answer is delay a game reviewable? And I believe
you did ask that, so I appreciate that. And it
is not reviewable. Why don't we just do NBA shot
clock for delay a game? And when the red light
comes on around the play the play clock, the play's
dead and it's a five year penalty. Why is the
unwritten rule there? You're allowed to have a forty first
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second to snap the ball.
Speaker 10 (29:55):
I'm told with you on this, I don't know either, Like, wait,
the red uh like, like you said, the red, the
red comes up in the NBA, and we don't ever
have to worry about this and if there's ever a question, we.
Speaker 8 (30:09):
Just review it. They have replay assists. Now it doesn't
have to take a long time. Like we have replay assists.
They called down apparently to the refs, and they tell
coaches things all the time that we don't necessarily know about.
So why can't we make delay of game review? But like,
it's not a subjective thing. It's not a judgment call.
It is cut and dry, did you snap it or not?
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You know Sunday's. The way they basically answered that question
was they just took us through the process of you know, well,
if we see zero's, we're supposed to look down and
see if the ball snapped. And you know, if if
they looked at if they looked at Zeros and looked
down and see if the ball has been snapped on Sunday,
and I mean it had to be. That had to
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be like the slowest looked out of all time, right
that that play was, That play was definitely a second
or two off. If you have the red lights, if
you have the review, the replay assists, I think that's
a pretty obvious one. I think they should use that
stuff for penalties. They don't like to do that in
the NFL, but they should have replay four penalties that
are cut and dry.
Speaker 1 (31:14):
Talking to Joeli ericson Eddy Starr about the Indianapolis Colts,
what do you think they had to go zero to
one hundred? What are the chances Michael Badgeley is kicking
field goals and extra points for the Cults on Sunday.
Speaker 8 (31:24):
Oh, forty percent.
Speaker 2 (31:30):
That means we get tryouts this week, right, I thought so?
Speaker 8 (31:35):
I mean I still don't. I went back and looked
at what James Takins said after he missed two kicks
in Berlin, and he said, we have faith in Badge
is what he said. Well, I was flying and James
was walking around Berlin and all that stuff. That's what
he said in the day after press conference that he
usually does.
Speaker 3 (31:54):
He has not said that.
Speaker 8 (31:56):
He said he loved him, he said he's got to.
Speaker 3 (31:59):
Make those extra points. He knows that.
Speaker 8 (32:03):
And to me, that usually that kind of shift in
tone with Shane's or shift in words or Shane's ike
and mean something. It's not.
Speaker 6 (32:10):
It's not out of nowhere. I would agree.
Speaker 5 (32:14):
I would agree honestly when it comes to what Shane
was saying. And I think Joel, your follow up yesterday
he left the door open. He basically said the same
thing he said after the game. We have faith in
whoever we put out there, and that whoever my bows
got raised A little bit on that for sure.
Speaker 3 (32:32):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (32:32):
It. The other thing is like with Badgeley, if he
was missing fifty plus yard kicks that they were going
to force to take, I think the Colts would be like, well,
this is the trade off we made. We want the
accuracy inside fifty. We didn't think that he was going
to We knew he was going to be a little
bit dodgy outside of fifty. That's not what's happening, right,
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Even though he does have a mess from fifty, he's
missing the kicks that they signed him to make.
Speaker 7 (32:58):
Yeah, that's that's really, really well, said Joel A. Rickson
from The Star with us here on the Payloads Stickers Hotline. Joel,
I think you are one of the most stand up
individuals I've come across in my time on this earth.
You have three young boys. I would sign off on
a marriage right now for one of my two daughters.
Even Mark has said nice things about you before, despite
your Cubs and your Brewers venom towards each other.
Speaker 6 (33:22):
We'd put a house divided. Sign up.
Speaker 4 (33:23):
That's fine, the Brewers and the Cups sign yes, exactly, yes,
house divided.
Speaker 2 (33:28):
If there's only one flagpole, who gets to fly the flag?
Speaker 3 (33:30):
Though?
Speaker 7 (33:30):
Whoever wins that day, they both rock paper scissors. Okay, Now, Joel,
I don't think there is a list of things you
hate more in the world than the location of this
game on Sunday. I have never heard a man talk
about another city in the manner that Joel A. Erickson
talks about the city of Jacksonville, Florida.
Speaker 5 (33:54):
Now, this is the question. You have to ask him.
How long he's going to be in Jacksonville. That's the question, Joel,
What is the itinerary? And do you hate anything in
the world more than Jacksonville?
Speaker 3 (34:05):
Did he wise? Not?
Speaker 8 (34:07):
Not any city anybody's heard of, Not any city anybody's
heard of. It's it's like there's like a few small
towns in Wisconsin. I still have beef with from high
school football, but that's like, that's it. And so this
this is the great, the great injustice of this season.
Is that, for the first time in like five years,
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I have to spend two nights in Jacksonville.
Speaker 7 (34:33):
Oh God, how the hell did that press college? Why
don't I just drive? Why don't you just start, you know,
leaving it? I don't know. Ten pm Saturday night, I
don't know. If you get there on time? Probably not.
Speaker 8 (34:43):
It didn't work out. My flight is supposed to land James,
James and Kevin know this. I frequently fly fairly late
to games so I can make my kids games on Saturday.
So my flight lands there at the normal time, which
is very late, and I just go straight to bed
and then wake up and go to this infernal thing
they call a stadium, which I know they're putting up
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a new one. Suppose, yeah, you know that's gonna fix
all whatever. It's still going to be in Jacksonville, like
there's it's I don't care how new it is. It's
not gonna be great. But normally I get leave the
press box, do my thing, and go straight to the
air to fly back out. I couldn't do that this year.
The flights did not work. My assumption is that any
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Colts fan who is going has heard me talk about
this and thought, you know what, that's a really good idea.
And so they're not saying in Jacksonville either. But I
have I have many issues with Jacksonville. Number one, why
is it so far inland? The ocean is right there.
All of the cool people are like, well, Jacksonville's not
that bad. There's this thing over here, like that's not Jacksonville.
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That's like Jacksonville Beach, or it's done by PPC Sawgrass.
Those are not Jacksonville. We have to spend our time
in Jacksonville. The last time we were there, they had
they were like doing road construction on the bridges or whatever,
and instead of like making it look nice or whatever
wherever you have to put this road signs, they just
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cut off pieces of old bridge and drop them by
the side of the highway like you're just running a landfill.
At that point, like come on with your with your city.
Speaker 3 (36:18):
All right.
Speaker 1 (36:19):
Fact, he just went on for over sixty seconds on
the things he doesn't like about.
Speaker 7 (36:23):
You should use jam in the media room.
Speaker 6 (36:24):
This's the PVPG version.
Speaker 7 (36:26):
Gim me right now. I honestly think you know, tell
Zyr Franklin you go in the locker room early. They
need to have Joel breakdown the huddle before this team
heads into the locker room to describe Jacksonville on Sunday.
Speaker 4 (36:36):
If they told Joel, if you put a shovel on
the ground and start digging, we'll move. We'll do Orlando
a year early, he would start doing it.
Speaker 2 (36:43):
Probably, I'll do that.
Speaker 7 (36:45):
Would you rather the Jaguars be in London?
Speaker 8 (36:48):
Yes, oh, one thousand percent. London is a fantastic city.
Jacksonville is a collection of buildings that just got stuck together.
Speaker 2 (36:55):
He's not wrong, He's not wrong.
Speaker 1 (36:58):
I just real quickly, Joe, I just asked the computer
for five random small towns in Wisconsin.
Speaker 2 (37:05):
You tell me if they're on your list or not.
Speaker 1 (37:06):
Okay, Okay, Fish Creek now, Monroe now Chipwall Falls.
Speaker 3 (37:16):
Uh, Chip, where I'm.
Speaker 8 (37:17):
From, is not small.
Speaker 3 (37:19):
Chipp is one of the larger towns.
Speaker 2 (37:21):
Around me, all right, Cedarburg, Peterberg is.
Speaker 8 (37:26):
We're getting closer there, but they're in the wrong part
of the state.
Speaker 1 (37:29):
So give me the one town that you just cannot
stomach in Wisconsin.
Speaker 3 (37:34):
All right.
Speaker 2 (37:34):
I never would have gotten there, so a big defense.
Speaker 3 (37:38):
They were.
Speaker 8 (37:38):
They're twelve, They're twelve miles away their arrival and everything.
Speaker 7 (37:43):
White out deeply to Joel on a crack legal crack.
Speaker 6 (37:48):
There, brother, it has been decades.
Speaker 7 (37:52):
It sounds like an SEC football fan going one finger
salute to whatever that city is he just named.
Speaker 2 (37:58):
Joel, have a good day, man, Thanks for putting up
with our nonsense.
Speaker 8 (38:01):
You bet guys, thanks for having me on.
Speaker 7 (38:04):
All right, nine o'clock on a Tuesday on some people
might be just getting out of the house right now.
Commute in wasn't too too bad. Granted that was whatever
three hours ago, but certainly safe travels. It's out side
streets little meh, but main streets weren't too bad on
the morning commute. Unfortunately, I think the weather probably impacted
a little bit of the atmosphere last night inside of
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gamebridge Field House to talk more about the Pacers and
the cabs last night. He is the head coach of
the Indiana Pacers and he's with us right now. Rick
Carlisle coach, Good morning to you. How are you.
Speaker 3 (38:37):
Good? Sound like you guys were slow jamming the news
there for that music.
Speaker 7 (38:42):
Little slow jam action. Can you get behind that?
Speaker 3 (38:46):
Sure? Why not?
Speaker 7 (38:47):
Look at that's all right? Mark dykedon jot that down.
We might need that for a Rick Carlile reentry here
coming up later in the season. Coach, Defensively, you guys
have been very good over the last week and a
half two weeks or so, but last night a lot
of second chance points early in the game. Did you
see that as the biggest difference for Cleveland.
Speaker 3 (39:05):
Yeah. Yeah, we didn't do a good enough job hitting
first on blockouts, and I think they hit us for
nine or eleven second chance points in the first quarter,
and that was That was a bad start.
Speaker 2 (39:20):
Rick.
Speaker 5 (39:20):
When you look at these games and you're able to
kind of climb back into it, I guess what's the
message when you see the version of yourselves that obviously
can't play the brand of basketball you want to like?
Is that something that you revisit after the game, like, hey,
this is how we have to play the entire four quarters,
or you know, how in your face with it?
Speaker 2 (39:37):
Are you?
Speaker 3 (39:40):
Well? Are you you're talking about how we're presently constructed?
Speaker 6 (39:45):
Yeah, because it is.
Speaker 5 (39:47):
You know, I don't want to say it's an excuse,
but at the same time, there's some legitimate reasons maybe
why you aren't playing your your typical brand of basketball.
Speaker 3 (39:56):
Yeah, we had to adjust a lot, and I think
that's obvious. And so look, we've made progress in the
last seven games. So before last night, in the previous
six games, were number one in the league in defense.
So that's that's progress, and that's something to be proud of.
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But as we know, it's you know, it's it's not
a destination. I mean, this all requires continued work, continued focus.
And so, yeah, we had slippage last night. Pretty obviously.
Cleveland came in here on a three game losing streak.
Give them credit. They were very determined and you know,
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Mitchell got going and we didn't have very many answers.
Speaker 5 (40:47):
I know you mentioned your defense really planned at a
high level. Of course, some slippage last night, as you mentioned,
But on top of that, looking at Jay Huff and
what he's really done for your team over the last
week or so, how have you seen him find a
great offensively and defensively? Last time I checked, I believe
he was leading the league in blocks per game.
Speaker 3 (41:05):
Yeah, he's uh, he's made great progress, and he's a
he's a terrific kid. You know, he came into a
situation that was quite different than Memphis. There's been certainly
an adjustment period for him. You know, a lot of
things with our team has changed this year. But as
we've gone along and had you know, some moderate success
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over the last seven games, he's been He's certainly been
a big part of it with his ability to stretch
the floor. He's rebounded well, and you mentioned the block shots.
I mean, he he's pretty elite in that area.
Speaker 7 (41:46):
Pacers Nuggets coming up tomorrow night inside a gamebridge Field House,
Rick Carlile with us here on the Payloss Slickers hotline.
You mentioned that number one defense, you know there for
about a two week stretch. You know, what have you
liked from a chain standpoint on that end of the floor. Again,
we've seen some lineup tweaks, but what hasn't been on
the defensive end. That's given you certainly much more optimism
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about where you guys are playing.
Speaker 3 (42:12):
Probably just simply the fact that we've been physical. We've
done a reasonably good job of keeping people off the
free throw line. When we've had success, our rebounding has
been better. Uh, you know, certainly with the exception of
last night and so and you know, it's nbas is
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a difficult league. You know, it's it's a difficult league.
It's become more physical. You know, we were certainly a
part of that with how it played the last couple
of years, and so you always have to keep adjusting,
and then you have to adjust your adjustments.
Speaker 7 (43:00):
We go back to over the weekend, coach, obviously, you
guys win the back to back against Washington and Chicago
and you see Pascal Siakam hit that game winner. You
guys been on the wrong side of several vose shots
here throughout the early part of the season. If you
could from your perspective, like, what did you see from
Siakam on that play? I was particularly struck by just
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his entire demeanor, cool, calm, collected, seemingly knowing where the
clock is, you know, the pump, fake, all of it.
Could you kind of walk us through what you saw
from Pascal in that moment to win the game?
Speaker 3 (43:36):
Yeah, he you know all the things you just mentioned.
Certainly he had a good feel for the clocks. We
tried to space the floor to give him an angle
in an area to go to to get to a spot.
It was not an easy shot, and I was right
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behind him in line with the basket, and in real time,
just standing there, it looked like he just he went
to his spot and rose up, but there was actually
a hesitation, and it reminded me a little bit of
Dirk Nowitzky. You know, I saw many game winners during
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my thirteen years with him. I think eleven out of
thirteen were with him. And Pascal has the ability to
at the last second, you know, very calmly and very coolly,
change the angle of the shot to back up a
little bit and ball goes a little bit higher. You can,
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you can go up to try to block it all
you want, but when he when he makes that geometrical
change and gets it up, it there's just no way
to get to it. And it was perfection, as difficult
as it was. I mean, the thing, the only thing
better would have been if you know, the red light
had gone on while the ball in the air. But uh,
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you know, point one on the clock is uh is
pretty damn good. And it was an amazing shot and
certainly much needed.
Speaker 5 (45:09):
Yeah, I was saying watching that game, we got to
get the home clock operator and give him the walk
off win there with the point once it left on
the clock. But Rick, you touched on a little bit there,
But how much value do you think it is, especially
in the league like this, where there's so many guys
that can you know, do multiple things now as far
as you know, shoot, drive past whatever, but you still
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have that one guy at least on your roster. And
I think Benediga has some of this as well, that
when you're kind of in a bind, he can still
get a pretty good look.
Speaker 6 (45:38):
You've been around the game for a long time. How
rare a talent is that?
Speaker 3 (45:43):
Well, this is you know, this is a definition of
a of a max player, you know, a guy that
can that can create consistently create an advantage for his team.
So yeah, I mean really the technical definition is probably
can consistently create an advantage for himself. But in Pascal's mind,
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it's it's all about the team and what he can
do for the team. And so yeah, it's it's made him,
you know, a very special player for us. He's a
very special person. And you know, how he's led through
this difficult stretch has been uh has been quite uh
has been quite exceptional because he's he's remained very upbeat.
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He's had great wisdom. He he you know, he picks
the exact right spots to to interject on what's going
on and to help and uh, you know, his consistency
has been impeccable.
Speaker 7 (46:50):
Then Rick Carlisle with on the Payloss Slickers hotline, as
the Pacers will get back to work coming up tomorrow night,
it will be the Patris and Nuggets inside a game
bridge Field House. Coach, You've talked a little bit these
last two days on the show about how this weekend
Saturday specifically is kind of a dream scenario for IU fans.
Their basketball team will play inside of your building coming
up Saturday afternoon against Louisville, and they'll play in the
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Big Ten title one versus two Saturday night. It kind
of got me thinking, I don't know if you've ever
asked you this, did you have a Do you have
a favorite team, you know, any sport when you were
growing up or a favorite player? I get you weren't
filing up league pass necessarily, but did you have a
favorite team a favorite player growing up?
Speaker 3 (47:32):
Uh, you're talking about football or basketball either.
Speaker 7 (47:34):
I guess any just like childhood, Rick Carlile, did he
have a favorite sport or favorite team?
Speaker 3 (47:40):
Yeah? I mean, you know, I followed the NBA, you know,
largely through magazines growing up, because you know, we didn't
have cable TV. I think I probably told you this story,
but you know, early on, you know, when I was
ten or eleven years old, you know, that was when
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Louel Sander was drafted by the Bucks and he and
Oscar were playing together there and and I became a
big fan of of of Al Sander, who became Kareem
and then and then I kind of hooked on with
the Lakers in seventy two when they had their run
and at one point won thirty three games in a row.
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And I remember listening to games on AM radio, you know,
during the playoffs that year. You know, back in those
days where we lived up near Canada, you could pick
up AM radio signals, you know, late at night, and
it was it was pretty amazing. It was. It would
come through very clear, you know. And that was that
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was the year they had you know, Wes Goodrich, McMillan, Happy, Harrison,
and Chamberlain as their starters, and you know, they were
they were great, and uh, you know, and then after that,
I'm just trying to think, you know, I was so
more of a Knicks fan, you know, in the in
the early seventies as well. You know, my dad grew
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up in Elmsford, New York, which is in Westchester County.
We went to a couple of Knicks games early on
at the Garden. Those were very, very memorable. You know,
I was in my you know, eleven, twelve, thirteen year
old you know range of age. And then you know,
I mean all that kind of came full circle when
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I got signed by the Knicks in this on December
first of eighty seven, and that night had my best
game as a pro, you know, Massive Square Garden, and
I just so much of that stuff was was so cool.
And then you know, when the when the ABA NBA
merger happened, you know, doctor j was was the guy
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that was you know, I was completely enamored with, you know,
the style of play, the grace, the dunks, you know,
all that stuff. And uh, you know, of course emulating
a guy who you could you could never in a
zillion years hope to play like was kind of idiotic
in a lot of ways, but it was, uh, you
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know it was it was inspirational, you know, watching him
and so uh and then you know, the irony of
ironies was you know, I was pretty much a Celtic
hater in those days, you know, because of my love
of the Doctor j and the Sixers, and then I
get drafted by Boston, you know, and then uh, you know,
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once I got there and made the team, of course
all that changed. And you know, very interestingly, uh, the
opportunity to play with Larry for three years in Boston,
Larry Bird that is, and you know, became became friends
with him, and it it was one of the reasons
that you know, we ended up coaching together and then
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working together, you know, a little further on down the line.
But you know, that's kind of the history of my
of my favorite teams, et cetera. You know, as far
as far as football goes. Right now, it's the Colts, baby,
you know, I'm just I'm dialed in and you know
it's damn officials the other day. Wait, you know, what
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a what a screwing that was.
Speaker 6 (51:18):
I don't think they can find you across.
Speaker 7 (51:21):
I love to follow up, but I'm worried about your pocket.
I don't know if they can. Roger Goodell can step
in their coach.
Speaker 3 (51:28):
He ain't gonna get me.
Speaker 6 (51:30):
I love that Adam.
Speaker 3 (51:32):
Adam could get me by that, but Goodell can't. He can't,
he can't get he can't touch me.
Speaker 5 (51:37):
I love it so last one I have for you, Rick,
And actually this sparked is from a debate I have
my family during Thanksgiving.
Speaker 6 (51:44):
We always do like, Okay, whose era is better?
Speaker 5 (51:46):
You know you're era with Lebron and you know s
g A now and Yoki versus my dad's from He
loves the Michael Jordan and Larry Bird and all those
guys and Doctor j Like you said, so looking at
we were looking at the Michael Jordan game. We're scored
sixty three. I believe you were on Boston when this happened.
And looking at the spacing from that game, Rick, is
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jarring to me because it's so different, not taking anything
away from the skill level that you know each era has,
but as a coaching as a player throughout the years,
what has it been like to evolve.
Speaker 6 (52:17):
With the spacing of the game.
Speaker 5 (52:18):
And you talked about the physicality a little bit earlier
in this interview, but the spacing so different, and how
has that maybe affected how you coach and the rotations
you have and things of that nature.
Speaker 3 (52:30):
Yeah, I mean the other it was maybe a week
and a half ago. I was I was going through
the channels an NBA TV was on and they had
Game five of the playoff series between Philadelphia and New
Jersey and it was it was. It was a series
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that went to a deciding fifth game in the first round.
Every game in the first four games was won by
the road team. So, you know, uh, Jersey won the
first two games in Philly. Philly won the next two
games in New Jersey. And this is New Jersey with
you know, uh Michael Ray, Richardson, Buck Williams, Albert King,
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Otis bird Song, Darwin Cook, you know, a lot of
a lot of good players, and Philly was you know,
it was it was Doctor Jay and it really was.
There pretty much championship team intact, you know, a couple
I think a year or two after the championship. And
so watching that game, I had the same I had,
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I had the exact same thought. I mean, everything was
so bunched in. I don't think I saw one three
point shot taken. In fact, Philadelphia was down, was down late,
and they had a couple of possessions left. They didn't
even think about shoot three, you know, So it was
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so so much has changed, and look, there was a
there was a scoring crisis in the nineties and headed
into the early two thousands, and then uh, Jerry Colangelo
had a group that was put together by David Stern.
David gave them autonomy to make some rule changes to
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make the game better, you know, to to help evolve
the game forward. So the big change was you could
play any defense as long as you did not get
a defense a three second violation. And so all of
a sudden, instead of grid lines that determined whether or not,
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you know, you were legal or not, you could now guard.
You can now double team a guy that didn't have
the ball, and that that didn't used to be the case.
So the ball had to had to move. And as
the ball had to move more with you know, the
legality of zone d fans, et cetera, players had to
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develop a different skill set. The game started to breathe more.
The three point shots started to be realized as as
the potent weapon that it that it's viewed as today,
and that was kind of the beginning of the change
of the game. And then you know, nowadays you have analytics,
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You've got a three point line, but a lot of
these guys are shooting from what would be a four
point line, and you know, it's I love the way
the game has changed. It's it's it's really the ultimate
challenge to play. It's the ultimate challenge to defend in it.
And you know, it's just, uh, it's just super compelling
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because as we've seen over the last two years especially,
you know, no no lead is too large and no
deficit is too big, you know, and the three point
shot and the speed of the game is has has
put a great deal of excitement into it. So yeah,
I'm with you on that. And watch that game. Five man,
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I've never seen so many people bunched.
Speaker 6 (56:10):
Up together in the lane.
Speaker 3 (56:12):
It was the only the only game that that that
I would compare it to that I've seen that I
went back years later and happened to see on TV
when we were playing Washington back in the it was
around two thousand and eight or something. When I first
got to Dallas, they had our Virginia Georgetown game, so
that was Ewing versus Samson, and that game had no
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tree point line, no shot clock, and and we were
sitting in a zone and it was it was packed
in and possessions were super long, and you know, it
was it was like it was like watching paint dry.
I mean, it was really it was really, it was
really arduous, and so I just I'm thrilled with the
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way the games evolved over the years. It had to,
you know, in some way, shape or form. There was
there was always talk about, hey, the floor needs to
be bigger, you know, maybe the rim needs to get higher,
all that kind of stuff. You know, none of that
stuff was going to happen because NBA arenas are configured
to be a certain size. There are certain you know,
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the high revenue seats were not going to go away,
and so the game had to adjust and it has
and and as we move forward, you know you're going
to see more five men that can stretch the floor,
put the ball on the floor and do all the
skilled things as well, and it'll get harder and harder
to guard.
Speaker 7 (57:39):
Always think of scoring. You guys put up what eighty
something on Cleveland in the first half of a playoff
game last year, and you know, twenty years ago, Pacers Pistons,
it was the first one to like seventy five would
win that series in the East.
Speaker 3 (57:53):
Yeah, but I'll tell you one, like my first year
in Detroit, you know, we we developed a team that
was a tough minded defensive team. That was our identity.
We gave up eighty six points a game for the season,
and you know that was that was kind of the
beginning of this era that my first year of coaching
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was that year, and it was also the first year
of the Colangelo rule changes, and so you know, we
we were all adjusting. But you know, we we had
we had defenders. I mean, we had Ben Wallace who
really nobody really knew who Ben Wallace was at that
point in time, but he became Defensive Player of the
Year his second year with us and went on to
win it like three additional times. And you know under
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these under these new rules, you could still have a
great defensive team. And so everyone wants to have an identity,
and so right now, you know, with us, our identity
is we we we have we have found a formula
to defend well. But it is it's great dependent on
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the right kind of offense and the right kind of
execution at both ends.
Speaker 7 (59:07):
Bachers have one, two of three. Again, they got Denver
coming up tomorrow night reminder, and I think it's a
good reminder on a day like today. You got the
Lloyd Pier Samuel Coatee drive coming up uh three point
thirty five thirty today over at the Goodwill Horizon House
right off of Washington Streets. So if you can make
it out to that, certainly do Coach. As always, thank you,
Sarah Well chat next week.
Speaker 3 (59:28):
Cheers to take care of
You were listening to the best of the Fan morning
show on ninety three five and one oh seven five
the Fan.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
I haven't heard this one for quite a while, Mark
dykon where did you come up with that one?
Speaker 3 (00:11):
There?
Speaker 4 (00:11):
Going bank of songs here? I like the way you
have to day figured ice cube is always solid.
Speaker 1 (00:17):
Yeah, but speaking of ice Cube, it's mid twenties right now.
I just went across the hall at WIBC. All the
school delays are on their website right now at WIBC
dot com, and they did tell me two hour delay
for all IPS schools at this point in time.
Speaker 5 (00:32):
So yeah, we start to win lists. We used to
have to watch the TV like it was a Super
Bowl like it was and.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
Wraft wait for the crawl.
Speaker 6 (00:39):
Yeah, it was like watching it for the lottery. Now
it's all on Twitter, it's all online. These kids don't know.
Speaker 7 (00:45):
Nothing flipping channels. Are they closest to my letter in
the alphabet?
Speaker 8 (00:48):
I know?
Speaker 3 (00:48):
Man?
Speaker 5 (00:49):
And then if you missed your letter, you're like, oh
my gosh, do I wait here?
Speaker 6 (00:52):
Does mom? Just trying to see if the school's open?
Speaker 4 (00:53):
You turn it on and you just missed the letter?
Oh yeah, I can wait another fifteen minutes now.
Speaker 7 (00:58):
For those at the end of today morning commute. I
didn't think it was too too bad by any means.
Side roads pretty mad, but I thought once you got
to the main roads just kind of wet. So safe travel, certainly.
But I think we're all in the general agreement from
our different areas of town that the morning commute maybe
a little bit longer, but nothing too strenuous.
Speaker 3 (01:17):
Today.
Speaker 1 (01:17):
Yeah, I think they've got a lot smarter as time
has gone on. Back in the old days, when it was,
you know, just horses and wagons. For me, James, growing
up in Colorado, we missed. I missed my entire life.
They sent us home in the middle of the day
one time in Colorado uphill both ways. No, it was
just it was snow. You deal with it, put the
chains on the car and go. It's probably a little
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smarter now with insurance and everything else going on they
used to have. So these kids, they've got it better today.
People got smarter as we got older. I think, Kevin,
there is what happened.
Speaker 6 (01:49):
So did they even have snow days anymore?
Speaker 5 (01:51):
They just do like iMac like is that a thing
where they just well like so if Jake and Grant
can't come in for school, they say, Okay, we're going
to hop on the iPad for the day. I would
hate that. I kind of liked the ear I grew
up in where like we didn't have We had some technology,
but we didn't have.
Speaker 7 (02:07):
And I always feel like e learning for like the
elementary kids. I mean, what are these dudes just hopping
on these young kids just hopping on their zooms?
Speaker 5 (02:14):
Learning means that you're going to be e learning as well, right,
So no child care for you, Kevin Bowen, Yeah.
Speaker 7 (02:21):
I trust me. It seems very difficult.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
So check your specific school and district.
Speaker 1 (02:26):
But a lot of folks in the area are working
on at least one and a half hour two hour
delays this morning on.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
Their way to school.
Speaker 1 (02:33):
And like I said, coming in from the north side
on the highway, a little bit slower, Kevin, But.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
I didn't find it too terrible. Wasn't that bad?
Speaker 3 (02:40):
Yeah?
Speaker 7 (02:40):
A couple extra minutes from here.
Speaker 1 (02:41):
Yeah, and you're you're like right around the corner, James.
You could probably walk the work as quickly as you
drive the work, didn't you.
Speaker 5 (02:47):
No, not at all. That would be a very long walk.
But I enjoy driving and living close enough to drive here.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
All right, that's what's going on on a Tuesday morning. Here,
it's ninety three five, one oh seven five the fan.
The Colts coming off a tough loss at home, a
divisional loss against the Houston Texans. They get ready for
another divisional game against the Jacksonville Jaguars, and all in
all for a Monday James, it sounds like pretty good news.
Sauce Gardner, the guy you just traded two first round
picks and Ady Mitchell four is not going to be
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lost for the season at this point in time.
Speaker 5 (03:18):
Yeah, so Shane did say he expects him to play
and be back this season. And then on top of that,
it was a great question by Kevin to follow up
and then say, okay, Well is injured reserve of possibility,
which means an automatic four game absence, and he.
Speaker 6 (03:33):
Definitively said no.
Speaker 5 (03:35):
So they'll put more on the plate of the other guys,
starting with Shavarius.
Speaker 6 (03:39):
Ward, and then I.
Speaker 5 (03:41):
Would say less heralded players being Jayleen Jones and Makai Blackman.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
How do we feel about the state of the secondary
right now without Sauce Gardner and a diminished Mooney right now?
Speaker 2 (03:53):
Mooney Ward.
Speaker 7 (03:54):
Yeah, Mark, let's play this audio for Mooney Ward yesterday.
You know, we talked a little bit about it on
yesterday's show. I feel like over the last couple of weeks,
Ward in particularly just a step slow since coming back
from the concussion. And you know, cornerback to me is
a position where when you are a step slow, everybody
sees it. Everybody can see it. And I thought, and
(04:18):
I guess, just go over everything with money Ward. The
man has been through just unimaginable, frankly things over the
last year year plus. Lost his young daughter a year ago.
You know, we talked a little bit about the concussion
symptoms that he had last month, was pondering if he
would play football ever again. So whether you want to
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look at it from the personal tragedy or his professional life,
he clearly is dealing with a lot. And I think
he's been pretty candid throughout this past year about how
that stuff has clearly impacted him, and he mentioned yesterday
it's impacting his play right now on the field.
Speaker 9 (04:57):
I just just got to get my mind right in
my heart right, you know. Once, you know, once I
get my mind right, my heart right, I think my
physical physical body and the way I perform, that'll be good.
But like I said, as long as my mind cloudy,
I don't really play good all the time. So I'm
just trying to, you know, focus in like and then
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get you know, get get focused. And I think I
started playing better.
Speaker 6 (05:26):
Definitely feel for him.
Speaker 5 (05:27):
That was in response to when I asked him what
areas of your game do you think you need to improve?
Speaker 7 (05:32):
Because he said he wasn't playing to a standard previous exactly.
Speaker 5 (05:35):
And again this was not me thinking, oh, he'll take
this on a more personal journey route. It was in
my mind, I don't know something about technique or film
study or being a little quicker with your hands whatever,
And he really kind of opened up his heart a
little bit and vented about, well indirectly about some of
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the things he's been through. So I do feel for him,
and I do wonder how much of that weighs on
him just all of a sudden, he's been through clearly,
and I'm not going to sit here and say, you know,
it's time for you to move on or it's time,
but it is a point where I think professionally the
colts have to ask themselves, can't he get back to
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that level and how can we help him do that?
And I just wonder what that process looks like when
he mentioned this more mental than physical.
Speaker 7 (06:24):
Yeah, And if you look at the rest of the season,
James five weeks to go against Sauce Gardner, the expectation
based off a change I can said yesterday's he will
return sometime the next four weeks. If you look at
the schedule at Jacksonville at Seattle home to the forty
nine ers, those are the next three games. You know,
Kenny Moore early in the year deal with the CAF injury,
missed three games. Okay, let's say Sauce misses those three,
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that means he'd be back for Jacksonville Houston in the year.
Which you know, again, if you're ranking these games, they're
all important, but those two could be absolutely vital. Now,
of course, you got to position yourself to be in
a decent spot come week seventeen. But you know, if
you're gonna rank these games, the NFC games would be
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four and five on that list of just general importance. Again,
right now, without crowd of the AFC is AFC South is,
everything is important. But if you're going to rank them,
if Sauce is going to miss games, those would be
the games, okay whatever, if you're gonna lose any those
would be the ones that you would want to lose there.
But yeah, I just I really feel for Mooney war
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and I think it is clearly impacting his play on
the field. I would like to see Kenny Moore and a
little bit more, just like of their base personnel, it
seems like when they have it seems like Mikaile Blackman's
on the field too much, I guess to summarize it succinctly,
in my opinion, they continue to outsnap Jaalen Jones with
those reps. I'd like see Kenny frankly just be that
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outside corner with Sauce out the next couple of weeks.
But you know, the Jags are really banged up at
wide out, so you know that's a little bit promising.
But the week after that, Jaxon Smith and Jigbo has
been the best receiver in the league this season, So
there you go that and.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
He's been roasted everybody like no one has been immune
to what that guy has been doing. And you make
a great point, James, you always want a guy to
be able to get room to heal whatever is going
on with him physically, mentally, emotionally.
Speaker 2 (08:20):
Whatever it is. You're on his side.
Speaker 1 (08:22):
You want him to get better, But there is a
point where a team has to say, hey, we're gonna
help you get better. But right now, what's better for
the Colts is maybe we need to do something a
little bit different while you're on that healing journey.
Speaker 6 (08:33):
Yeah, I'm just curious about that.
Speaker 5 (08:35):
You know, can you get back to the love you're
supposed to if your mind and heart aren't one hundred
percent in it?
Speaker 6 (08:41):
And I'm not questioning the love of the game.
Speaker 5 (08:42):
I mean clearly if you look at the guy's story
comes from nothing undrafted Jue Corau all the above to
getting not one but two pretty hefty deals in the NFL,
being a second team All Pro, most pass defenses in
a single season. I think of forty nine is history
all the above. But yeah, how do you again? I
don't want to say get passed that because you can't
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get past losing a kid or lose anybody you love,
But how do you try to find the best version
of yourself in this? I guess new normal for yourself
or new state of your life where there is going
to be some tragedy in the hard days, So again
I feel for him. Definitely don't want to speak out
of turn when it comes to what he's going through,
but I appreciate the candor as well.
Speaker 6 (09:25):
I mean, this is a guy who.
Speaker 5 (09:27):
He definitely when he gets in front of Mike, there's
probably some things that I don't know if I wear
his shoes, maybe I don't say, or I don't share.
Speaker 6 (09:35):
But he's as real as they come, and I can
always respect that.
Speaker 1 (09:39):
Yeah, we just all wish the best for him, and
I hope that he continues to get through whatever he's
going through. Because two of the three of us here
are dads. I can't even fathom what that must be
like Kevin, and you just hope the best for him
and his family and everything else. But on the other side,
there is a point for the cults where they need
what they need as a football team.
Speaker 7 (10:01):
How about Alec Pearce well hail Mary bat down on
Sunday Show.
Speaker 5 (10:06):
To Cam buying him too for saying that he would
have picked it because he was like, could you imagine
if he was like, you're taught to bat it down?
And Alix Piers did when he was taught, but he
was like, could you imagine catching a touchdown pass in
a game and then catching a pick in the same game,
and you're not high school anymore.
Speaker 7 (10:20):
I mean when that ball was thrown, I mean he
obvious pierce fashion, he literally positioned himself perfectly. Yeah, to
be the first one to touch it. I thought to myself,
if he picks us off, we might have an interesting
little fifty yard run back and see how long he
can make this happen here. But Alec Peerce, ever, the smart,
the former defender at Cincinnati.
Speaker 6 (10:38):
That's his problem. He's not selfish enough.
Speaker 7 (10:40):
Maybe he should play Maybe he should play corner right now.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
Maybe you should have a little talk with him when
you meet the guy.
Speaker 5 (10:46):
Yeah, yeah, shout out to Alex Pearce, who's actually from
near where I grew up, so I know him in
the family pretty well.
Speaker 3 (10:52):
Man.
Speaker 1 (10:52):
He's turning into a terrific wide receiver. It's been a
lot of fun to watch. He saw last night Patriots
got to win over the New York Giants in a
game that wasn't even nearly as close as the score
might indicate. Drake may look fantastic. The Patriots are sitting
there at eleven and two on top of the AFC.
Denver keeps winning games somehow, some way, by hook er,
by crook. They're ten and two, and then after that
(11:12):
it's Jacksonville eight and four. They will put the Ravens
in the fourth spot right now because they're leading their
division at just six and six, and then after that
the Chargers are eight and four and the Cults are
eight and four, So two are the Bills eight and four.
And now with that win, Houston is seven to five,
just a game behind Indianapolis and losing three of these
last four, they they've kind of lost that cushion they
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built up the first ten weeks of the season.
Speaker 7 (11:36):
Kevin, Yeah, there's no kind of about it. They have
lost it. So yeah, right now they are in the wildcard.
They have the sixth seed. Huge week, not only obviously Colts, Jaggs.
You mentioned Steelers and the Ravens right there. They are
tied atop the AFC North, So that is a big,
big game speaking from an AFC standpoint, and also Texans
(11:56):
Chiefs Sunday night football right there. So yeah, we mentioned
it a little yesterday. I know people want just get
Kansas City out of there. Colts can't be greedy. They
need to root for the Chiefs on Sunday Night football
to beat Houston. So I will continue to keep an
eye on that. And again, any kicker movement today, any
kicker truts. Look, every option has warts when you're dealing
(12:18):
with a backup kicker. The problem for me with Michael
Basi right now is he has got warts in two areas,
three point shooting and layups. You can't have warts in both,
So who cares if you can't kick from fifty plus
your r It's fine. He's got to make the layups
and right now, those are the issues that you have.
So can you try and just band aid that? Can
you try and find somebody that at least can give
(12:40):
you steadiness from a layup standpoint. We'll see how active
the Colts are with kicker tryouts today and what the
rest of the week looks like.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
Man off for the extra point is Michael Bagsley.
Speaker 7 (12:51):
It's the loudest sound in sports, and I feel like
it's only happened in the last four years that all
of a sudden so loud. I think it's start with
what's his name?
Speaker 3 (13:00):
Was it?
Speaker 7 (13:01):
Parky Double?
Speaker 4 (13:03):
How could I forget.
Speaker 2 (13:04):
I was gonna say that was right in your wheelhouse there, hunk.
Speaker 4 (13:07):
Yep, Matt and Naggie looking like a buffoon on the sidelines.
Speaker 6 (13:11):
What just happened? Your kicker stinks and we knew that
all year, By the way.
Speaker 7 (13:14):
Shout out to Daniel Jones's college roommate. I heard them
say in the telecast that his roommate from Duke made
the pad that he wore around his injured fibula, and
earlier in his career he had developed some sort of
medical device that he used for a I think it
was a calf injury earlier in his career. Can you imagine,
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like those are your college roommates?
Speaker 4 (13:38):
Well, I liked how I was like, JJ watt, what
are your roommates? So he's like probably drinking beer and
being stupid.
Speaker 7 (13:42):
I mean, my college room got thirty seven parking tickets
in a month span. I mean, like that's the most
thing he's proud of.
Speaker 3 (13:50):
Now.
Speaker 5 (13:50):
My cause roommate is living out in California, justice side
of LA and just bought a house.
Speaker 6 (13:56):
So he's doing fairly well for himself.
Speaker 7 (13:58):
Well maybe, yeah, I guess that's due education for you.
Speaker 6 (14:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (14:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (14:03):
A shout out to my college room is a mechanical
engineer and he is living the life. But yeah, I
did see that video and it looks like the pad
is on his left leg and it was three D printed,
if I'm not mistaken, And so, yeah, smart roommates, and
I actually want to ask him about it, like, you know,
is this something where you really trust your you have
(14:24):
to really trust your college roommates with something like that,
Like how legit is his.
Speaker 7 (14:28):
Business just going to team Yeah, I'm good, guys, I've
got my college.
Speaker 5 (14:34):
He probably won't get into it, but I'm very curious
about how that whole process goes, because this isn't just oh,
my friend gave me a hat to wear and promote,
like this is legit. I need this to go out
there and perform at the highest level.
Speaker 7 (14:44):
Buddy's got a printing T shirt business.
Speaker 5 (14:46):
Remember here, who was the running back who got the
big hat started? And he wore the big hat after
the game I forgot and it became like a big hat.
I don't know, but it became like a thing for
a little while. And he's like, oh, yeah, my friend
made this company and it's big hats and it took off.
This is not that this is I need you to
make sure my leg holds up throughout the most crucial
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point of my career in a very violent game.
Speaker 7 (15:10):
We need Lane Kiffin rock in the big hat at
as LSU introductory pressor, did you see the left is
closed just like outside?
Speaker 6 (15:18):
Husband? I love that his war sec.
Speaker 7 (15:24):
I love it.
Speaker 5 (15:25):
He said that ole miss fans, we're trying to run
him off the road on the way to the airport,
and he said, I understand it.
Speaker 6 (15:31):
It's the passion of the SEC. I was gonna say
that is nuts.
Speaker 2 (15:35):
I believe him.
Speaker 3 (15:35):
Boy.
Speaker 1 (15:36):
The other part different down there, man. The other part
of that is, he also says, but then I get here,
l s U. It's been so warm and everybody can't
wait to see it and congratulates. I'm thinking, yeah, go
on a three game losing streak at Streetport and find
out how that works out.
Speaker 6 (15:50):
Kelly, how things are going right now?
Speaker 2 (15:54):
I'm sorry, Yeah, they baton rouge. That whole area shreeport
baton rouge.
Speaker 8 (15:59):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
They'll turn on you so fast.
Speaker 6 (16:03):
So Kevin, I don't know.
Speaker 5 (16:04):
I'm on a tangent here, but you are like my
resident college football watcher, expert type of guy.
Speaker 7 (16:10):
I love college football can you explain, I.
Speaker 5 (16:14):
Guess, briefly, if that's even possible, what the heck happened
with that? Because I'm so confused. He wanted to coach
Ole Miss. There's no way you should be able to
do that if you take another job. But also it's
unprecedented because you had a chance to win a national championship,
best program season they've had in a long time, and
you leave, But you would have got paid the same
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amount of money, but LSU has more resources.
Speaker 6 (16:38):
So I'm just like, Okay, I understand that you made
the move, but it's just weird.
Speaker 5 (16:43):
I feel like there's so many tentacles, and every time
I read something, I'm more confused than before.
Speaker 7 (16:47):
By the way, it's a great College of Basketball slate tonight,
not just locally here if you're looking for something to
watch on Tuesdays.
Speaker 2 (16:52):
It's true.
Speaker 7 (16:52):
Basically, what I've gathered about the Kevin story is so
Florida and ls you both wanted them really really bad.
Speaker 3 (16:56):
Right.
Speaker 7 (16:57):
Florida was more hesitant about letting the the Lane Kiff
and operation be run in their backyard. There's a lot
that goes with Lane and a lot of it maybe
might be a little bit questionable.
Speaker 5 (17:07):
So did we kind of get like not bannised, but
he was like not the hot ticket? Do they go
to Florida Atlantic?
Speaker 7 (17:12):
Well, yeah, I mean hel Nick Saban fired him on
the tarmac and and you know he's got the Tennessee drama,
the USC drama. So yeah, there's a lot with Lane.
I you know, I need a book on this. So
basically I think he views LSU is a little bit
more of a it's really hard to screw up. But again,
Brian Kelly is one of the few that screwed it up.
You know, when you look at it from a head
coach standpoint, what Les Miles at Ordron and who else
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wanted to Yeah, I mean you know all of it.
You know, all those coaches seemingly just followed a bet
and you win there.
Speaker 1 (17:44):
But also the only one that didn't get fired eventually
was Saban, who moved on to Alabama. The other two
guys that won national championships were fired not too long
after they won those Nationally.
Speaker 7 (17:53):
I think the old Miss nerves comes back to like,
if we get back to being old Miss and you
start to have what ever seven to win eight win seasons,
will they treat you like seemingly every other SEC program
treats you that seven to eight wins is not good enough.
And I think Lane is also somebody that craves a challenge,
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and craves you know, wanting challenge to me is the
right word. But once a new opportunity.
Speaker 6 (18:19):
He's only fifty when it comes to coaching.
Speaker 7 (18:22):
Holly did the NFL thing.
Speaker 4 (18:23):
When it comes to coaching exits, Lane Kiffin is on
the Mount Rushmore. He's all four heads because he's got
Al Davis given a PowerPoint as to why he's fired
in the NFL and escaping to Old the LSU and
all that it is.
Speaker 7 (18:36):
I mean story I read the story yesterday is from
CBS Sports about the Kiffin exit from Old Miss, and
in there they were describing the scene at the airport
of the Old Miss fans going the one finger salute
towards Coach Kiffin as he boarded the plane. And I
guess Charlie Weiss's son, I didn't realize Charlie Weiss's son
was the offensive coordinator there. Charlie Weis junior is also
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heading to LSU. Great writing detail here, James, you can
appreciate this. Boots on the ground journalism. It was mostly
college age young men decked out in new balances, but
there were also multiple children, including one infant wrapped in
a blanket and sucking on a pacifier. It's never too early,
after all, to teach.
Speaker 6 (19:18):
Hate WHOA what a bar?
Speaker 7 (19:21):
Well you if I told Maddie A, I'm heading to
the local airport with Nelly. We need to get out
of the house into.
Speaker 6 (19:27):
The regional airport. Gotta flip this guy off.
Speaker 2 (19:29):
I've got outside.
Speaker 7 (19:31):
When you get I got a middle finger to get
up in the air.
Speaker 6 (19:34):
That's crazy.
Speaker 7 (19:34):
I love it.
Speaker 5 (19:35):
The only thing I will not necessarily well, I guess
the defend laying on is when people tell me, oh, well,
like he's in it for the money.
Speaker 6 (19:41):
We all are. I'm gonna I'm gonna be very honest here.
Speaker 7 (19:43):
What you get in the money, if you would would
have been the same, if you're the old mess side of.
Speaker 6 (19:47):
That, right, it would have been the same, right, right.
Speaker 5 (19:49):
But for those saying like oh, even if they didn't
give them the money, then then you're a liar. If
if anybody comes to you and say, hey, you can
do the exact same job in a different state for
six million dollars more you're leaving now. Again, A lot
of that has to do with the money would have
been matched, but the resources I think at LSU are
probably better.
Speaker 7 (20:07):
Can we all get on board of this opening night
of college football next year?
Speaker 6 (20:12):
Yes?
Speaker 5 (20:12):
Yes, I thought about this, Yes night game, Yes LSU
at I need this, Yes, inject into Vegas.
Speaker 6 (20:20):
I actually think that he would have to have a
ton of security to go back there.
Speaker 4 (20:23):
Yes, they said they go Ole Miss or LSU goes
the Ole Miss and Tennessee next year.
Speaker 5 (20:29):
Oh, I just make just make their schedule. All of
Lane's previous stops haven't played the Raiders to they're only
My only.
Speaker 1 (20:35):
Prediction is that whether it's two years, three years, four
years from now, it'll end the same way it always
ends with Lane Kiffeit it will not end well for
him there.
Speaker 7 (20:43):
By the way, Florida at Duke, that's Cameron in door tonight,
Connecticut at Kansas Braylan Mullins back for the Huskies that
is at Allen Fieldhouse, And North Carolina.
Speaker 6 (20:53):
At Rock is Darren Peterson back?
Speaker 7 (20:55):
You think Darren Peterson? The hope is he will play
him play in Vegas in that tournament there, So I
love that Tonight he obviously got purduing Butler both playing tonight,
but from a local standpoint on campus venues, there should
be some great atmospheres and college basketball.
Speaker 1 (21:09):
Well, my kids were little like like Nell. He's my
favorite thing to do was just sit on the couch,
hold them and watch sports.
Speaker 7 (21:16):
I really thought for a second you were going to
say drive to the regional airport in Greek coaches.
Speaker 1 (21:21):
Never done that. Maybe I should put maybe I need
to get that off my bucket list.
Speaker 7 (21:26):
I'm trying to think who the Denver Broncos coach was
in nineteen, you know, ninety eight or something that you
could be booing Mike Shanahan.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
It was Mike Shanahan at that point in time.
Speaker 7 (21:36):
I guess you wouldn't be booing.
Speaker 2 (21:37):
He won two Super Bowls to walk it off there. Well,
it did end well for him either.
Speaker 4 (21:41):
Wade Phillips, you can give him the burden.
Speaker 2 (21:43):
There you go.
Speaker 1 (21:46):
Coming up in a moment, we'll talk Colts with Joel
a Ericson right here on ninety three five and one
oh seven to five of the fan. Let's turn our
attention very quickly now to the Indianapolis Colts. They'll be
traveling to Jacksonville on Sunday. Boy, do they need to win?
They need some good news and here to tell us
nothing but good news. I'm sure Joel Ericksons, the Indie
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Star covers the Colts joins us on the Payless Liquors Hotline. Right, Joel,
nothing but good news today?
Speaker 3 (22:11):
Right? Uh? Maybe not?
Speaker 2 (22:20):
What can you tell us? Do we have any good news?
Speaker 8 (22:24):
Well, it's good that it's good that Zaus Gardner's calf
injury is is not the season ending, is not does
not appear to be something that's going to keep him
up the entire time, So that that is good news.
I know there was a lot of a lot of
people who watch that happen and thought, you know, their
mind went.
Speaker 3 (22:39):
To the worst right away.
Speaker 8 (22:40):
But it sounds like even after a lot of times
when you talk to a player in the locker room
after after they get hurt, they'll say, you know, I
think I'm going to be fine, and then uh, it
turns out that, you know, the MRI disagrees. But this time,
this is this is one of the times that the
player was right about their own their own injury and
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it's not a season ending or something like that.
Speaker 5 (23:06):
I just remember standing in the scrum after the game
with Sauce Gardner in front of us, and of course
there's a bunch of cameras and reporters and Sauces describing
the injuries like yeah, it felt like it was more
high up in my calf, not really lower. And then
I have Joel behind me. He's going it was high.
He goes, yeah, it was high. And for a second
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there I thought he asked him are you high? And
I was like whoall, Like, this is not an appropriate
time to be asking those questions. But nevertheless, Shoe positive
news on that front. But we were talking about this
yesterday on the show in regard to the poor port,
and so I'll say the scene a little bit. I
saw the flag not a flag on kennymore than second
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for the defensive pass interference, and I was thinking, Man,
I'm always making jokes to Joel, who is our poor
reporter at these games, about having to do a poor
port for something tiki tak, but went over this time
and I was serious. I said, Hey, Joel, we might
need a poor port for real. So can you give
the listeners behind the scenes of what an actual poor
port looks like if you're the reporter involved.
Speaker 3 (24:07):
In doing it. Yeah, so.
Speaker 8 (24:12):
You have to reach out to the league, usually through
whoever's in charge at the game. You reach out to
the league, and they want you to They want to
know exactly what you want to ask about. So for example, uh,
it wasn't enough to say, you know, the play where
Kenny Moore was called for past interference because you also
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had to say you wanted to ask about the delay
of game penalty. You can't just say one play and
and then and then they want to know that ahead
of time. I get a phone call. I know, I
saw some people saying, like I, I hope you guys
were sitting in that room laughing at these these answers.
But that's the thing.
Speaker 3 (24:55):
There is no room. It is.
Speaker 6 (24:57):
It's it's a phone.
Speaker 8 (25:00):
Usually it's me in the tunnel because obviously we have
to get in the locker room and talk to players.
It's a phone call. It goes through the league to
the even though even though again Clay Martin, the referee,
within the same building we were, it's a phone call.
And then, like I said, the hardest part is I
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think the hardest part is that you go down thinking,
you know what the explanation is going to be for
a call and getting ready to ask follow up questions
on that, and then if it changes, you don't have
the replay in front of you to come up with
something to ask right away. So like, for example, with
Kenny Moore's past interference, I was getting ready to ask
(25:43):
a follow up question about whether or not tangled feet
should be allowed to be a you know, be part
of a penalty, because in my understanding, it's not, and
then the referee says they called it because of an
arm grab, and I gotta be honest, I didn't see
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an arm grab at any point in that play when
I watched the replay up in the press box. And
so then you know, the follow up I kind of
lose it because I was thinking one thing, and then
I'm trying to think was there an arm grab? I
don't remember there being much really any contact at all,
and and it kind of throws you off a little bit.
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So that's that's another thing. Is The other thing is,
like I know some people wanted us to ask about
face masks. If you saw the answers that we get it,
they kind of come back and they just they just
stated as if the penalty was the most obvious thing
in the world. We don't get really an explanation. They
just tell us this happened, and this is the way
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it works, and it doesn't really matter how you follow
up either.
Speaker 3 (26:52):
That that's kind of just what they what they do.
Speaker 7 (26:56):
Joe, nothing against you, certainly. I just think the Pool
report is so dump like. At least in the NBA
to two minute report, they will admit if they're right
or wrong. That's the day after the fact. The Pool
report happens ten minutes after the game ends. They're never
gonna admit that they're wrong. They're just gonna state exactly
what you just said there about Kenny Moore. We thought
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there was whatever a grab at the top of the route.
It's not like they're going to actually dissect the film,
go over it, and then have the we were right,
we were wrong, like the NBA two minut report, which
I get, you know, people, I mean, there are a
lot of fans out there that hate all these sort
of two minute pool reports whatever. But at least from
an NBA side of it, you'll get the right or wrong.
The NFL you get none of that.
Speaker 8 (27:39):
Yeah, I agree, I mean, I think the poor report
system is essentially designed to make it so that there's
less questions asked. Because if we're if all of us
are shitting in a room and this the referee has
coming and answer these questions, you know, Well, what happens
in the press conference is you're it might be going
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one way, my head might be going the other way.
But that means we end up talking about those things
that we're thinking about, whereas with the pool report, you
don't have that it's on the phone, you don't really
have the chance to ask, you know, wide ranging questions.
It's it also like there's also a piece of it,
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you know, I think James, James, you can back this up, Kevin,
you can back this up. A lot of times when
there's a call, we think about like, well, do we
need a pool report on this? And we kind of
know what you just said. We know that they're going
to just say it as if it wasn't controversial or
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even really a tough decision at all, and so it's
like do we need like do we need it? You know,
do we need to go ask them for something that
they're just going to kind of speak from like an
alternate reality where this was really obvious. It is, it's designed,
like I said, it's designed to sort of to me,
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it seems like it's designed to sort of make it
tayp down criticism officials. I don't know if it works
or not, but it doesn't give you a lot of leeway.
Speaker 7 (29:11):
No, it does not work. Joel A. Rickson from the
Indiapols stories with us here on the payloist Suckers hotline.
One thing before we move on, Joel, and you are
a NFL Fishinado, you propose a rule change for you
and see if you agree on it. I asked, and
you walk down to us during the game on Sunday, Hey,
what questions would you have for the pool report? And
I said to you, and I think I already know.
(29:32):
The answer is delay a game reviewable? And I believe
you did ask that, so I appreciate that. And it
is not reviewable. Why don't we just do NBA shot
clock for delay a game? And when the red light
comes on around the play the play clock, the play's
dead and it's a five year penalty. Why is the
unwritten rule there? You're allowed to have a forty first
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second to snap the ball.
Speaker 10 (29:55):
I'm told with you on this, I don't know either, Like, wait,
the red uh like, like you said, the red, the
red comes up in the NBA, and we don't ever
have to worry about this and if there's ever a question, we.
Speaker 8 (30:09):
Just review it. They have replay assists. Now it doesn't
have to take a long time. Like we have replay assists.
They called down apparently to the refs, and they tell
coaches things all the time that we don't necessarily know about.
So why can't we make delay of game review? But like,
it's not a subjective thing. It's not a judgment call.
It is cut and dry, did you snap it or not?
(30:32):
You know Sunday's. The way they basically answered that question
was they just took us through the process of you know, well,
if we see zero's, we're supposed to look down and
see if the ball snapped. And you know, if if
they looked at if they looked at Zeros and looked
down and see if the ball has been snapped on Sunday,
and I mean it had to be. That had to
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be like the slowest looked out of all time, right
that that play was, That play was definitely a second
or two off. If you have the red lights, if
you have the review, the replay assists, I think that's
a pretty obvious one. I think they should use that
stuff for penalties. They don't like to do that in
the NFL, but they should have replay four penalties that
are cut and dry.
Speaker 1 (31:14):
Talking to Joeli ericson Eddy Starr about the Indianapolis Colts,
what do you think they had to go zero to
one hundred? What are the chances Michael Badgeley is kicking
field goals and extra points for the Cults on Sunday.
Speaker 8 (31:24):
Oh, forty percent.
Speaker 2 (31:30):
That means we get tryouts this week, right, I thought so?
Speaker 8 (31:35):
I mean I still don't. I went back and looked
at what James Takins said after he missed two kicks
in Berlin, and he said, we have faith in Badge
is what he said. Well, I was flying and James
was walking around Berlin and all that stuff. That's what
he said in the day after press conference that he
usually does.
Speaker 3 (31:54):
He has not said that.
Speaker 8 (31:56):
He said he loved him, he said he's got to.
Speaker 3 (31:59):
Make those extra points. He knows that.
Speaker 8 (32:03):
And to me, that usually that kind of shift in
tone with Shane's or shift in words or Shane's ike
and mean something. It's not.
Speaker 6 (32:10):
It's not out of nowhere. I would agree.
Speaker 5 (32:14):
I would agree honestly when it comes to what Shane
was saying. And I think Joel, your follow up yesterday
he left the door open. He basically said the same
thing he said after the game. We have faith in
whoever we put out there, and that whoever my bows
got raised A little bit on that for sure.
Speaker 3 (32:32):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (32:32):
It. The other thing is like with Badgeley, if he
was missing fifty plus yard kicks that they were going
to force to take, I think the Colts would be like, well,
this is the trade off we made. We want the
accuracy inside fifty. We didn't think that he was going
to We knew he was going to be a little
bit dodgy outside of fifty. That's not what's happening, right,
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Even though he does have a mess from fifty, he's
missing the kicks that they signed him to make.
Speaker 7 (32:58):
Yeah, that's that's really, really well, said Joel A. Rickson
from The Star with us here on the Payloads Stickers Hotline. Joel,
I think you are one of the most stand up
individuals I've come across in my time on this earth.
You have three young boys. I would sign off on
a marriage right now for one of my two daughters.
Even Mark has said nice things about you before, despite
your Cubs and your Brewers venom towards each other.
Speaker 6 (33:22):
We'd put a house divided. Sign up.
Speaker 4 (33:23):
That's fine, the Brewers and the Cups sign yes, exactly, yes,
house divided.
Speaker 2 (33:28):
If there's only one flagpole, who gets to fly the flag?
Speaker 3 (33:30):
Though?
Speaker 7 (33:30):
Whoever wins that day, they both rock paper scissors. Okay, Now, Joel,
I don't think there is a list of things you
hate more in the world than the location of this
game on Sunday. I have never heard a man talk
about another city in the manner that Joel A. Erickson
talks about the city of Jacksonville, Florida.
Speaker 5 (33:54):
Now, this is the question. You have to ask him.
How long he's going to be in Jacksonville. That's the question, Joel,
What is the itinerary? And do you hate anything in
the world more than Jacksonville?
Speaker 3 (34:05):
Did he wise? Not?
Speaker 8 (34:07):
Not any city anybody's heard of, Not any city anybody's
heard of. It's it's like there's like a few small
towns in Wisconsin. I still have beef with from high
school football, but that's like, that's it. And so this
this is the great, the great injustice of this season.
Is that, for the first time in like five years,
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I have to spend two nights in Jacksonville.
Speaker 7 (34:33):
Oh God, how the hell did that press college? Why
don't I just drive? Why don't you just start, you know,
leaving it? I don't know. Ten pm Saturday night, I
don't know. If you get there on time? Probably not.
Speaker 8 (34:43):
It didn't work out. My flight is supposed to land James,
James and Kevin know this. I frequently fly fairly late
to games so I can make my kids games on Saturday.
So my flight lands there at the normal time, which
is very late, and I just go straight to bed
and then wake up and go to this infernal thing
they call a stadium, which I know they're putting up
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a new one. Suppose, yeah, you know that's gonna fix
all whatever. It's still going to be in Jacksonville, like
there's it's I don't care how new it is. It's
not gonna be great. But normally I get leave the
press box, do my thing, and go straight to the
air to fly back out. I couldn't do that this year.
The flights did not work. My assumption is that any
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Colts fan who is going has heard me talk about
this and thought, you know what, that's a really good idea.
And so they're not saying in Jacksonville either. But I
have I have many issues with Jacksonville. Number one, why
is it so far inland? The ocean is right there.
All of the cool people are like, well, Jacksonville's not
that bad. There's this thing over here, like that's not Jacksonville.
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That's like Jacksonville Beach, or it's done by PPC Sawgrass.
Those are not Jacksonville. We have to spend our time
in Jacksonville. The last time we were there, they had
they were like doing road construction on the bridges or whatever,
and instead of like making it look nice or whatever
wherever you have to put this road signs, they just
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cut off pieces of old bridge and drop them by
the side of the highway like you're just running a landfill.
At that point, like come on with your with your city.
Speaker 3 (36:18):
All right.
Speaker 1 (36:19):
Fact, he just went on for over sixty seconds on
the things he doesn't like about.
Speaker 7 (36:23):
You should use jam in the media room.
Speaker 6 (36:24):
This's the PVPG version.
Speaker 7 (36:26):
Gim me right now. I honestly think you know, tell
Zyr Franklin you go in the locker room early. They
need to have Joel breakdown the huddle before this team
heads into the locker room to describe Jacksonville on Sunday.
Speaker 4 (36:36):
If they told Joel, if you put a shovel on
the ground and start digging, we'll move. We'll do Orlando
a year early, he would start doing it.
Speaker 2 (36:43):
Probably, I'll do that.
Speaker 7 (36:45):
Would you rather the Jaguars be in London?
Speaker 8 (36:48):
Yes, oh, one thousand percent. London is a fantastic city.
Jacksonville is a collection of buildings that just got stuck together.
Speaker 2 (36:55):
He's not wrong, He's not wrong.
Speaker 1 (36:58):
I just real quickly, Joe, I just asked the computer
for five random small towns in Wisconsin.
Speaker 2 (37:05):
You tell me if they're on your list or not.
Speaker 1 (37:06):
Okay, Okay, Fish Creek now, Monroe now Chipwall Falls.
Speaker 3 (37:16):
Uh, Chip, where I'm.
Speaker 8 (37:17):
From, is not small.
Speaker 3 (37:19):
Chipp is one of the larger towns.
Speaker 2 (37:21):
Around me, all right, Cedarburg, Peterberg is.
Speaker 8 (37:26):
We're getting closer there, but they're in the wrong part
of the state.
Speaker 1 (37:29):
So give me the one town that you just cannot
stomach in Wisconsin.
Speaker 3 (37:34):
All right.
Speaker 2 (37:34):
I never would have gotten there, so a big defense.
Speaker 3 (37:38):
They were.
Speaker 8 (37:38):
They're twelve, They're twelve miles away their arrival and everything.
Speaker 7 (37:43):
White out deeply to Joel on a crack legal crack.
Speaker 6 (37:48):
There, brother, it has been decades.
Speaker 7 (37:52):
It sounds like an SEC football fan going one finger
salute to whatever that city is he just named.
Speaker 2 (37:58):
Joel, have a good day, man, Thanks for putting up
with our nonsense.
Speaker 8 (38:01):
You bet guys, thanks for having me on.
Speaker 7 (38:04):
All right, nine o'clock on a Tuesday on some people
might be just getting out of the house right now.
Commute in wasn't too too bad. Granted that was whatever
three hours ago, but certainly safe travels. It's out side
streets little meh, but main streets weren't too bad on
the morning commute. Unfortunately, I think the weather probably impacted
a little bit of the atmosphere last night inside of
(38:25):
gamebridge Field House to talk more about the Pacers and
the cabs last night. He is the head coach of
the Indiana Pacers and he's with us right now. Rick
Carlisle coach, Good morning to you. How are you.
Speaker 3 (38:37):
Good? Sound like you guys were slow jamming the news
there for that music.
Speaker 7 (38:42):
Little slow jam action. Can you get behind that?
Speaker 3 (38:46):
Sure? Why not?
Speaker 7 (38:47):
Look at that's all right? Mark dykedon jot that down.
We might need that for a Rick Carlile reentry here
coming up later in the season. Coach, Defensively, you guys
have been very good over the last week and a
half two weeks or so, but last night a lot
of second chance points early in the game. Did you
see that as the biggest difference for Cleveland.
Speaker 3 (39:05):
Yeah. Yeah, we didn't do a good enough job hitting
first on blockouts, and I think they hit us for
nine or eleven second chance points in the first quarter,
and that was That was a bad start.
Speaker 2 (39:20):
Rick.
Speaker 5 (39:20):
When you look at these games and you're able to
kind of climb back into it, I guess what's the
message when you see the version of yourselves that obviously
can't play the brand of basketball you want to like?
Is that something that you revisit after the game, like, hey,
this is how we have to play the entire four quarters,
or you know, how in your face with it?
Speaker 2 (39:37):
Are you?
Speaker 3 (39:40):
Well? Are you you're talking about how we're presently constructed?
Speaker 6 (39:45):
Yeah, because it is.
Speaker 5 (39:47):
You know, I don't want to say it's an excuse,
but at the same time, there's some legitimate reasons maybe
why you aren't playing your your typical brand of basketball.
Speaker 3 (39:56):
Yeah, we had to adjust a lot, and I think
that's obvious. And so look, we've made progress in the
last seven games. So before last night, in the previous
six games, were number one in the league in defense.
So that's that's progress, and that's something to be proud of.
(40:20):
But as we know, it's you know, it's it's not
a destination. I mean, this all requires continued work, continued focus.
And so, yeah, we had slippage last night. Pretty obviously.
Cleveland came in here on a three game losing streak.
Give them credit. They were very determined and you know,
(40:43):
Mitchell got going and we didn't have very many answers.
Speaker 5 (40:47):
I know you mentioned your defense really planned at a
high level. Of course, some slippage last night, as you mentioned,
But on top of that, looking at Jay Huff and
what he's really done for your team over the last
week or so, how have you seen him find a
great offensively and defensively? Last time I checked, I believe
he was leading the league in blocks per game.
Speaker 3 (41:05):
Yeah, he's uh, he's made great progress, and he's a
he's a terrific kid. You know, he came into a
situation that was quite different than Memphis. There's been certainly
an adjustment period for him. You know, a lot of
things with our team has changed this year. But as
we've gone along and had you know, some moderate success
(41:30):
over the last seven games, he's been He's certainly been
a big part of it with his ability to stretch
the floor. He's rebounded well, and you mentioned the block shots.
I mean, he he's pretty elite in that area.
Speaker 7 (41:46):
Pacers Nuggets coming up tomorrow night inside a gamebridge Field House,
Rick Carlile with us here on the Payloss Slickers hotline.
You mentioned that number one defense, you know there for
about a two week stretch. You know, what have you
liked from a chain standpoint on that end of the floor. Again,
we've seen some lineup tweaks, but what hasn't been on
the defensive end. That's given you certainly much more optimism
(42:08):
about where you guys are playing.
Speaker 3 (42:12):
Probably just simply the fact that we've been physical. We've
done a reasonably good job of keeping people off the
free throw line. When we've had success, our rebounding has
been better. Uh, you know, certainly with the exception of
last night and so and you know, it's nbas is
(42:39):
a difficult league. You know, it's it's a difficult league.
It's become more physical. You know, we were certainly a
part of that with how it played the last couple
of years, and so you always have to keep adjusting,
and then you have to adjust your adjustments.
Speaker 7 (43:00):
We go back to over the weekend, coach, obviously, you
guys win the back to back against Washington and Chicago
and you see Pascal Siakam hit that game winner. You
guys been on the wrong side of several vose shots
here throughout the early part of the season. If you
could from your perspective, like, what did you see from
Siakam on that play? I was particularly struck by just
(43:21):
his entire demeanor, cool, calm, collected, seemingly knowing where the
clock is, you know, the pump, fake, all of it.
Could you kind of walk us through what you saw
from Pascal in that moment to win the game?
Speaker 3 (43:36):
Yeah, he you know all the things you just mentioned.
Certainly he had a good feel for the clocks. We
tried to space the floor to give him an angle
in an area to go to to get to a spot.
It was not an easy shot, and I was right
(43:56):
behind him in line with the basket, and in real time,
just standing there, it looked like he just he went
to his spot and rose up, but there was actually
a hesitation, and it reminded me a little bit of
Dirk Nowitzky. You know, I saw many game winners during
(44:19):
my thirteen years with him. I think eleven out of
thirteen were with him. And Pascal has the ability to
at the last second, you know, very calmly and very coolly,
change the angle of the shot to back up a
little bit and ball goes a little bit higher. You can,
(44:40):
you can go up to try to block it all
you want, but when he when he makes that geometrical
change and gets it up, it there's just no way
to get to it. And it was perfection, as difficult
as it was. I mean, the thing, the only thing
better would have been if you know, the red light
had gone on while the ball in the air. But uh,
(45:02):
you know, point one on the clock is uh is
pretty damn good. And it was an amazing shot and
certainly much needed.
Speaker 5 (45:09):
Yeah, I was saying watching that game, we got to
get the home clock operator and give him the walk
off win there with the point once it left on
the clock. But Rick, you touched on a little bit there,
But how much value do you think it is, especially
in the league like this, where there's so many guys
that can you know, do multiple things now as far
as you know, shoot, drive past whatever, but you still
(45:30):
have that one guy at least on your roster. And
I think Benediga has some of this as well, that
when you're kind of in a bind, he can still
get a pretty good look.
Speaker 6 (45:38):
You've been around the game for a long time. How
rare a talent is that?
Speaker 3 (45:43):
Well, this is you know, this is a definition of
a of a max player, you know, a guy that
can that can create consistently create an advantage for his team.
So yeah, I mean really the technical definition is probably
can consistently create an advantage for himself. But in Pascal's mind,
(46:08):
it's it's all about the team and what he can
do for the team. And so yeah, it's it's made him,
you know, a very special player for us. He's a
very special person. And you know, how he's led through
this difficult stretch has been uh has been quite uh
has been quite exceptional because he's he's remained very upbeat.
(46:34):
He's had great wisdom. He he you know, he picks
the exact right spots to to interject on what's going
on and to help and uh, you know, his consistency
has been impeccable.
Speaker 7 (46:50):
Then Rick Carlisle with on the Payloss Slickers hotline, as
the Pacers will get back to work coming up tomorrow night,
it will be the Patris and Nuggets inside a game
bridge Field House. Coach, You've talked a little bit these
last two days on the show about how this weekend
Saturday specifically is kind of a dream scenario for IU fans.
Their basketball team will play inside of your building coming
up Saturday afternoon against Louisville, and they'll play in the
(47:12):
Big Ten title one versus two Saturday night. It kind
of got me thinking, I don't know if you've ever
asked you this, did you have a Do you have
a favorite team, you know, any sport when you were
growing up or a favorite player? I get you weren't
filing up league pass necessarily, but did you have a
favorite team a favorite player growing up?
Speaker 3 (47:32):
Uh, you're talking about football or basketball either.
Speaker 7 (47:34):
I guess any just like childhood, Rick Carlile, did he
have a favorite sport or favorite team?
Speaker 3 (47:40):
Yeah? I mean, you know, I followed the NBA, you know,
largely through magazines growing up, because you know, we didn't
have cable TV. I think I probably told you this story,
but you know, early on, you know, when I was
ten or eleven years old, you know, that was when
(48:01):
Louel Sander was drafted by the Bucks and he and
Oscar were playing together there and and I became a
big fan of of of Al Sander, who became Kareem
and then and then I kind of hooked on with
the Lakers in seventy two when they had their run
and at one point won thirty three games in a row.
(48:21):
And I remember listening to games on AM radio, you know,
during the playoffs that year. You know, back in those
days where we lived up near Canada, you could pick
up AM radio signals, you know, late at night, and
it was it was pretty amazing. It was. It would
come through very clear, you know. And that was that
(48:42):
was the year they had you know, Wes Goodrich, McMillan, Happy, Harrison,
and Chamberlain as their starters, and you know, they were
they were great, and uh, you know, and then after that,
I'm just trying to think, you know, I was so
more of a Knicks fan, you know, in the in
the early seventies as well. You know, my dad grew
(49:05):
up in Elmsford, New York, which is in Westchester County.
We went to a couple of Knicks games early on
at the Garden. Those were very, very memorable. You know,
I was in my you know, eleven, twelve, thirteen year
old you know range of age. And then you know,
I mean all that kind of came full circle when
(49:26):
I got signed by the Knicks in this on December
first of eighty seven, and that night had my best
game as a pro, you know, Massive Square Garden, and
I just so much of that stuff was was so cool.
And then you know, when the when the ABA NBA
merger happened, you know, doctor j was was the guy
(49:46):
that was you know, I was completely enamored with, you know,
the style of play, the grace, the dunks, you know,
all that stuff. And uh, you know, of course emulating
a guy who you could you could never in a
zillion years hope to play like was kind of idiotic
in a lot of ways, but it was, uh, you
(50:10):
know it was it was inspirational, you know, watching him
and so uh and then you know, the irony of
ironies was you know, I was pretty much a Celtic
hater in those days, you know, because of my love
of the Doctor j and the Sixers, and then I
get drafted by Boston, you know, and then uh, you know,
(50:31):
once I got there and made the team, of course
all that changed. And you know, very interestingly, uh, the
opportunity to play with Larry for three years in Boston,
Larry Bird that is, and you know, became became friends
with him, and it it was one of the reasons
that you know, we ended up coaching together and then
(50:52):
working together, you know, a little further on down the line.
But you know, that's kind of the history of my
of my favorite teams, et cetera. You know, as far
as far as football goes. Right now, it's the Colts, baby,
you know, I'm just I'm dialed in and you know
it's damn officials the other day. Wait, you know, what
(51:13):
a what a screwing that was.
Speaker 6 (51:18):
I don't think they can find you across.
Speaker 7 (51:21):
I love to follow up, but I'm worried about your pocket.
I don't know if they can. Roger Goodell can step
in their coach.
Speaker 3 (51:28):
He ain't gonna get me.
Speaker 6 (51:30):
I love that Adam.
Speaker 3 (51:32):
Adam could get me by that, but Goodell can't. He can't,
he can't get he can't touch me.
Speaker 5 (51:37):
I love it so last one I have for you, Rick,
And actually this sparked is from a debate I have
my family during Thanksgiving.
Speaker 6 (51:44):
We always do like, Okay, whose era is better?
Speaker 5 (51:46):
You know you're era with Lebron and you know s
g A now and Yoki versus my dad's from He
loves the Michael Jordan and Larry Bird and all those
guys and Doctor j Like you said, so looking at
we were looking at the Michael Jordan game. We're scored
sixty three. I believe you were on Boston when this happened.
And looking at the spacing from that game, Rick, is
(52:07):
jarring to me because it's so different, not taking anything
away from the skill level that you know each era has,
but as a coaching as a player throughout the years,
what has it been like to evolve.
Speaker 6 (52:17):
With the spacing of the game.
Speaker 5 (52:18):
And you talked about the physicality a little bit earlier
in this interview, but the spacing so different, and how
has that maybe affected how you coach and the rotations
you have and things of that nature.
Speaker 3 (52:30):
Yeah, I mean the other it was maybe a week
and a half ago. I was I was going through
the channels an NBA TV was on and they had
Game five of the playoff series between Philadelphia and New
Jersey and it was it was. It was a series
(52:51):
that went to a deciding fifth game in the first round.
Every game in the first four games was won by
the road team. So, you know, uh, Jersey won the
first two games in Philly. Philly won the next two
games in New Jersey. And this is New Jersey with
you know, uh Michael Ray, Richardson, Buck Williams, Albert King,
(53:15):
Otis bird Song, Darwin Cook, you know, a lot of
a lot of good players, and Philly was you know,
it was it was Doctor Jay and it really was.
There pretty much championship team intact, you know, a couple
I think a year or two after the championship. And
so watching that game, I had the same I had,
(53:38):
I had the exact same thought. I mean, everything was
so bunched in. I don't think I saw one three
point shot taken. In fact, Philadelphia was down, was down late,
and they had a couple of possessions left. They didn't
even think about shoot three, you know, So it was
(53:58):
so so much has changed, and look, there was a
there was a scoring crisis in the nineties and headed
into the early two thousands, and then uh, Jerry Colangelo
had a group that was put together by David Stern.
David gave them autonomy to make some rule changes to
(54:19):
make the game better, you know, to to help evolve
the game forward. So the big change was you could
play any defense as long as you did not get
a defense a three second violation. And so all of
a sudden, instead of grid lines that determined whether or not,
(54:39):
you know, you were legal or not, you could now guard.
You can now double team a guy that didn't have
the ball, and that that didn't used to be the case.
So the ball had to had to move. And as
the ball had to move more with you know, the
legality of zone d fans, et cetera, players had to
(55:02):
develop a different skill set. The game started to breathe more.
The three point shots started to be realized as as
the potent weapon that it that it's viewed as today,
and that was kind of the beginning of the change
of the game. And then you know, nowadays you have analytics,
(55:23):
You've got a three point line, but a lot of
these guys are shooting from what would be a four
point line, and you know, it's I love the way
the game has changed. It's it's it's really the ultimate
challenge to play. It's the ultimate challenge to defend in it.
And you know, it's just, uh, it's just super compelling
(55:47):
because as we've seen over the last two years especially,
you know, no no lead is too large and no
deficit is too big, you know, and the three point
shot and the speed of the game is has has
put a great deal of excitement into it. So yeah,
I'm with you on that. And watch that game. Five man,
(56:08):
I've never seen so many people bunched.
Speaker 6 (56:10):
Up together in the lane.
Speaker 3 (56:12):
It was the only the only game that that that
I would compare it to that I've seen that I
went back years later and happened to see on TV
when we were playing Washington back in the it was
around two thousand and eight or something. When I first
got to Dallas, they had our Virginia Georgetown game, so
that was Ewing versus Samson, and that game had no
(56:38):
tree point line, no shot clock, and and we were
sitting in a zone and it was it was packed
in and possessions were super long, and you know, it
was it was like it was like watching paint dry.
I mean, it was really it was really, it was
really arduous, and so I just I'm thrilled with the
(56:58):
way the games evolved over the years. It had to,
you know, in some way, shape or form. There was
there was always talk about, hey, the floor needs to
be bigger, you know, maybe the rim needs to get higher,
all that kind of stuff. You know, none of that
stuff was going to happen because NBA arenas are configured
to be a certain size. There are certain you know,
(57:21):
the high revenue seats were not going to go away,
and so the game had to adjust and it has
and and as we move forward, you know you're going
to see more five men that can stretch the floor,
put the ball on the floor and do all the
skilled things as well, and it'll get harder and harder
to guard.
Speaker 7 (57:39):
Always think of scoring. You guys put up what eighty
something on Cleveland in the first half of a playoff
game last year, and you know, twenty years ago, Pacers Pistons,
it was the first one to like seventy five would
win that series in the East.
Speaker 3 (57:53):
Yeah, but I'll tell you one, like my first year
in Detroit, you know, we we developed a team that
was a tough minded defensive team. That was our identity.
We gave up eighty six points a game for the season,
and you know that was that was kind of the
beginning of this era that my first year of coaching
(58:14):
was that year, and it was also the first year
of the Colangelo rule changes, and so you know, we
we were all adjusting. But you know, we we had
we had defenders. I mean, we had Ben Wallace who
really nobody really knew who Ben Wallace was at that
point in time, but he became Defensive Player of the
Year his second year with us and went on to
win it like three additional times. And you know under
(58:39):
these under these new rules, you could still have a
great defensive team. And so everyone wants to have an identity,
and so right now, you know, with us, our identity
is we we we have we have found a formula
to defend well. But it is it's great dependent on
(59:02):
the right kind of offense and the right kind of
execution at both ends.
Speaker 7 (59:07):
Bachers have one, two of three. Again, they got Denver
coming up tomorrow night reminder, and I think it's a
good reminder on a day like today. You got the
Lloyd Pier Samuel Coatee drive coming up uh three point
thirty five thirty today over at the Goodwill Horizon House
right off of Washington Streets. So if you can make
it out to that, certainly do Coach. As always, thank you,
Sarah Well chat next week.
Speaker 3 (59:28):
Cheers to take care of
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