December 9, 2025 • 52 mins
00:00 – 23:10 - Fernando Mendoza’s high school football coach Dave Dunn joins us to discuss Mendoza’s climb to a Heisman contender, what he saw early on, his impressions of how his skills have improved since high school, his recruitment, his mentality, his family, his emotions if he wins the Heisman, what happens next for the Colts
23:11 – 32:54 – Joe Buck and Troy Aikman give Curt Cignetti and IU some love on Monday Night Football, the latest on the Philip Rivers workout, which apparently took place last night
32:55 – 52:19 - Pacers head coach Rick Carlisle joins us to discuss a solid win against the Kings last night, Ethan Thompson stepping up and making an impact, his next win being the 1,000th of his career, Garrison Matthews, the oldest player he played with or coached, attending the Purdue game, Wheel of Fortune vs. Jeopardy
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You're listening to the Best of the Fan morning show
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Speaker 2 (00:09):
Duns and Kennisto, they shine.
Speaker 3 (00:31):
Well.
Speaker 1 (00:32):
He is a sensation in college football, no question about that.
Fernando Mendoza is one of four players to know have
been invited to New York City for this Saturday's Heisman
Trophy ceremony. He has done amazing things in his year
at Indiana, leading them to an undefeated season of birth
in the College Football Playoff and man, we are dying
to know more about this this young man and it
(00:53):
seems like just a really cool kid too. Dave Dunn,
his high school football coach over at Christopher Columbus High
in Miami, joins us now on the Payless Liquors Hotline
to talk a little bit more about this young man,
and we're hungry, coach, to find out everything we can
about him.
Speaker 4 (01:08):
Good morning, and welcome to the program.
Speaker 1 (01:10):
We appreciate you being here, but it's got to be
almost surreal to have a kid that you coached in
high school going to New York to maybe get the
Heisman Trophy this weekend.
Speaker 3 (01:18):
Huh, it really is guys. Thanks for having me on.
He's just a tremendous young man. So watching him have
the success he's had at IU, it has been amazing
for everybody down here in Miami and especially at Christopher
Columbus High School.
Speaker 4 (01:32):
And that's Dave done the coach as he said at
Christopher Columbus High School, and Dave Kevin Bowen here, I
appreciate you responding and joining us on this Tuesday morning.
Let's go back to the first time for Nano Mendoza.
Got I would say, probably accurately thrust into a game
for you down there. I know you've told the story before,
but for our audience it hasn't heard it. It's quite
the story.
Speaker 3 (01:53):
He was injured and didn't practice the whole week, and
the kind of cleared him right before the game, and
I hold his dad right before the game. He said, hey, listen,
you don't have to worry. We're not going to put
him in. He said, don't worry about it. Well, a
quarterback got knocked out with about a minute to go
in the game, and his uh came in off the
bench and his first pass he threw was for a touchdown,
(02:15):
which basically, you know, put us in position to win
the game.
Speaker 5 (02:19):
So that is what year was this for Fernando.
Speaker 3 (02:24):
It was a sophomore year, and his dad just shook
his head as we're walking off the field and said,
I thought you said he wasn't going to play. So
he literally he made a statement on his first pass
ever thrown in high school.
Speaker 4 (02:35):
And coaches there a little more. What wasn't there maybe
a missed kick that led all of a sudden you
need him to do it again, and Mendoza got you
into kicking range again for potentially the win.
Speaker 3 (02:44):
Yeah, so we ended up it made it score twenty eight,
twenty seven, We missed the extra point, went through an
on side kick, and we had about fourteen seconds left
with no timeouts, and so Fernando threw a deep in
route that got us in the field goal range, went
up and spiked the ball. We missed the field goal,
so it would have been a much better story if
we made either of the two kicks, but he did
(03:06):
his part, and then so I'm at the end of
the game there.
Speaker 5 (03:09):
I was going to say, you sound like an Ohio
State fan this past weekend, and it just made the kick,
but obviously I you and your former quarterback played spoilers
and they have been on a remarkable run, probably one
of the greatest stories in all of college sports history. So,
coach for you, when did you perhaps realize that Fernando
could play at this level? And I say that because
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every coach is going to be high on their starting
quarterback and a high character kid, But did you see
some NFL talent in him early on?
Speaker 3 (03:40):
His first start came that next week because we still
have the same injury at quarterback and we played against
Coral Gables High School, was in one of our rivals
down here, and he legitimately went like eighteen of twenty
three with three touchdowns, no interceptions, and just did an
unreal job of guiding our offense and not making a
mistake and being posed so all the things you see
(04:02):
him do, like on on Saturday night versus Ohio State,
I go. Disclaimer by the way, I was born in
ann Arbor, Michigan. So not only was I my favorite
team each week now is IU and then whoever's playing
Ohio State. So it was really good for me to
see that. But just a composure he had in his
first started and he was like fifteen years old, I'm
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like he's and he was a big kid. He was
kind of skinnier at that point, but I'm like, if
he fills out, he's gonna have a shot.
Speaker 4 (04:30):
That's crazy stuff.
Speaker 1 (04:31):
So when you're watching that game this Saturday and the
game is kind of on the line and they go
for it on third and long to try to put
the game away, and he throws that great pass to Becker,
that what are you thinking when he just steps up
in the biggest moment of the season and he delivers
a big strike there with the game on the line.
Speaker 3 (04:51):
I just had a film they were going to have
to throw the ball at that obviously that situation, because
like coach Signetti said, I started looking at the clock,
I'm like, they need two more first outs to put
it away, So you have to throw it here. You can't.
You just can't play and hope that you're going to
take another twenty five seconds off the clock and then
and then punt it. So I knew he had to
make a throw. And I think, you know, Charlie had
had such a great game, you know, the entire night,
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so that that was the guy to go to at
that point. I think they liked the matchup. He put
the ball in an unbelievable spot and that pretty much
iced the game for him.
Speaker 4 (05:22):
Again, that's Dave Dune, the high school coach of Fernando
Mendosi's with the Sea on the paylofs lookers hoghline on
this Tuesday morning. Coach, I know, his high school recruitment,
you know, definitely overlapped a little bit with COVID, So
you know, potentially that impacted some things. But how would
you compare maybe the lack of interest from a high
school recruitment standpoint to what the portal recruitment was like
(05:42):
for him this time last year?
Speaker 3 (05:44):
It was night and day just because we couldn't. His
junior year was COVID and he was unreal. In his
junior year, we had a really good team. We were undefeated,
We're champions. At the end of the year. We literally,
I think we played we only trailed one quarter the
whole year. We were a very dominant team. It was
the fourth quarter of the championship game and we we
(06:05):
actually for an end of an interception for a touchdown,
and that's how we gave up the lead. And I
just looked at him and I said, hey, listen, you
got to fix this. And he went down against Deerfield
Beach and led us to a game winning touchdown. So
he played unreal that year and just we couldn't and
he didn't get to go to any camps because of COVID,
and so it was kind of a We're trying to
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show everybody in his senior year, which we just weren't
as good around him as senior year, how good of
a player he was. And I was a Division IE
recruiting coordinator at one point in my career, so I
had a lot of people in college coaching that I
was begging that. I said, he's you never say can't
miss I go, but he's pretty darn close. And it
was very for It was frush. He handled it probably
(06:47):
way better than I did. It was very frustrating for him,
but it was he never showed it. It had to be.
But and then when when it came to you know,
when I watched him play at Cow and I actually
got to go to his best game. I saw him
play against wake Forest last year. I'm like, if he
enters the portal, I go, He's gonna have a ton
of options.
Speaker 5 (07:04):
At this point, again, we have Dave done on the line.
The high school coach of Fernando Mendoza coach. One that
I'm curious about when it comes to Fernando, and I
say this in endearing fashion, the Hoosias are flipping champions
and I'm not, you know, editing that for radio. He
says that, and it's so wholesome. So personality wise, how
(07:28):
have you seen him balance being We've joked about it
here on the station, like the like the college ta
versus being a dog and going out there and competing
at the highest level.
Speaker 3 (07:40):
You deep down he's he's a killer, and that's what
you have to know when when he steps on the field.
He's got a different mindset than than than people would
perceive him to have. He's just the nicest kid off
the field. Like I've said this several times in all
the interviews i've been you know, I've done over the
last few weeks. Based on his notoriety, is that he's
(08:01):
the type of young man you want to marry your daughter.
But on field stone cold killer. And that's what I
love about him is that he can literally he'll be
successful whatever he does. His demeanor off the field is driven,
but he's such a nice young man and people, like
everyone keeps asking me They're like, is that how he
really is? That's him. I go, that's how he is.
(08:21):
Some people think that, you know, he's putting on an
act for the interviews. He's always been that way. That's
how he is.
Speaker 4 (08:27):
Coach, you haven't any conversation with I don't know any
high school coach. I feel like in this day and age,
it's quickly met with. You know, maybe some of the challenges,
and you know, certainly there are some parents that are
uber supportive, and then you can have times where it
can be challenging on that front to deal with all
of it. What would you say about Fernando's parents. Obviously
(08:50):
his brother, of course, we've seen this story his mom
dealing with MS. You know, it's been pretty well well documented.
But what was high school life like with the Mendoza parents.
Speaker 3 (09:00):
They were unbelieved because the dad played offensive line at
Columbus High School. So the dad's a football guy and
he he was put I always say this to everybody
I go. When it came to coaching. The Mendoz is
Alberto and Fernando, Between me and his dad, it was
bad cop, bad cop. We were both really hard on him.
There was no good cop. The else of the mom
might have been the good cop, and the only feedback
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she ever gave me was and when we called too
many design run plays, she would tell me, don't have
him run the ball so much. They literally let me
coach their boys, which was awesome.
Speaker 1 (09:34):
Uh, it's fantastic. It's great to learn about him. And
Kevin mentioned Alberta too. How is Alberto as a quarterback
the long term?
Speaker 3 (09:45):
You know what he's they're different, and he's he's an
unbelievable competitor and he he plays with you know, people say, oh,
you know, Fernando plays with a chip on the shoulder.
I go, if that's the case, then Alberto plays with
the two by four in his shoulder. He's very, very
confident in his ability. He's he's an absolute killer as
a competitor, just like just like Fernando. But I but
(10:07):
I even think it's probably he takes it up a
few nachas. It's I'm excited for his future. I've enjoyed,
you know, And Alberta will will remind Fernando all the time.
Alberto never lost a playoff game Columbus High School. They
were back to that, we were back to back state
champions when Alberta was the quarterback and he reminds Fernando
that all the time. So, uh, it's I'm excited for
(10:28):
for his future at IU, and I think he's just
gonna be able to carry on the Mendoza legacy going forward.
Speaker 4 (10:33):
Coach last one week, greatly appreciate your time here on
this Tuesday morning. Again, Da've done with us here, Christopher
Columbus High School, the head coach of the Mendoza Brothers
back in high school. Have you thought what Saturday night
will be like for you? I believe Fernando Mendoza will
be hoisting that Heisman trophy. It will be a speech
for the ages. Uh have you thought at all about
(10:53):
what your emotions will be come Saturday night?
Speaker 3 (10:56):
Well, I'm going up, so I'm pretty excited for it.
You know, I'm not a betting guy, but I would
bet my house on the fact that he's gonna he's
gonna win the award. And I just I look at
a young man who's just put so much work into
his craft and being a great quarterback and watching him
have the success at I you and win this award,
(11:18):
and I share the sentiments of of Coach Signetti. Is
I truly believe it's a team award. He would not
be able to do this without the great teammates he's in,
coaching staff he's had at IU. I just think it's
just it's a culmination of of of uh, you know,
twenty three years of hard work or twenty I think
he's twenty one, twenty one years of hard work, and
(11:39):
it's gonna be. It's gonna be. It's gonna be real
special for me to watch him hoist the trophy.
Speaker 1 (11:44):
Coach, thank you again for your time this morning. We
appreciate it. Can hear the excitement in your voice, and Uh,
it's gotta be a lot of fun to be around
that family and that kid and and have fun in
New York this weekend.
Speaker 3 (11:55):
My friend. Thanks guys, thanks for having me on.
Speaker 4 (11:58):
You bet Da've done.
Speaker 1 (11:59):
Head football coach at Christopher Columbus High School in Miami.
He just seems like he's just got this infectious personality.
But you can't do what you do on the field
like he does if you're not a killer somewhere in there.
Speaker 4 (12:11):
Boy, I had to laugh here and Dave Dunn described
maybe his mom a little upset at times of too
many RPOs can you imagine what Mom was thinking when
Kay and Curry got that clean look on her son
on that first spect if.
Speaker 5 (12:21):
We're saying that was a clean hit. I saw him
on the Pat McAfee show and a lot of people
could say, oh, man, you know I I shouldn't have
done that, or you know I was dirt. No like
for all the fans out there singing it was dirty,
the quarterback said it wasn't clear.
Speaker 4 (12:33):
Yeah, and Kate and Curry, by the way, had a
great game, So shout out to the Center Grove product
for that. But yeah, it's yeah.
Speaker 5 (12:40):
I saw somebody call him a loser and I laughed
because I was like, yeah, he's from here, and he
did not lose very often in his high school days
and not really now either.
Speaker 4 (12:49):
He's one of the best players in the field on
Saturday Night, to say the least. So yeah, it's just,
you know, hearing more about the Mendoza story, there is
just it's a bit movie like honestly, and just everything
that you know he is about and the unique character
that he possesses and how he is full you know,
in the Portal era, I think there is some nervousness
(13:09):
maybe from longer term college sports fans, do you really
embrace you know where you're being and you're just chasing
the money, and it's one year here, one year there,
and you're just coming here for you know whatever further
your NFL pursuit. And certainly that was a big reason
why Fernando Mindoza chose Indiana with Kurt Signetti's history with quarterbacks.
But there's a lot more to the character of the
(13:30):
human being. I think we've grown to know that over
the last few months. And you know, the whole nation
has now seen it on display, whether a Saturday night
or you know, certainly they're going to see it at
the Heisman Trophy ceremony coming up here in a few days.
Speaker 1 (13:43):
And the next time we see him it'll be the
Rose Bull on New Year's Day, as they will.
Speaker 4 (13:47):
Site visit for IU yesterday. Yeah, there are boots on
the ground out there in Pasadena. So yes four o'clock, Alabama, Oklahoma.
I saw some early lines they'd be right around a touchdown.
Favorite over either.
Speaker 5 (14:00):
I like it so far.
Speaker 3 (14:01):
I like it. I like it.
Speaker 4 (14:02):
I like it.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
Welcome into the Fan Morning Show with James Woyd. Back
from Jacksonville. How was the Lovely City of Jacksonville. By
the way, it was rainy.
Speaker 5 (14:11):
I'll say that it was leaking in the press box,
and I kid you not. It was legitimately a trash
can in the middle of the press box to catch
the water. So the renovations can't get done fast enough
down there. As far as the game goes, not to
rub it in because I feel like it's crude to
do that considering the injury and the magnetude of the injury.
But yeah, I will never pick them the win in Jacksonville.
(14:31):
I'm dead serious on that until I see with my
one two eyes.
Speaker 4 (14:34):
James, I was wrong, man. I looked at you a
couple times last week. I was like, you think this
curse thing is really real? And you were adamant that
it was and is. I might I might have believed
the curse was real when Jones knew the first pick
on the first play of the game, but then when
he went down, I was like, oh my gosh.
Speaker 5 (14:50):
Yeah, And honestly, you know, I see that last week
sort of tongue in cheek, joking a little bit, but if.
Speaker 4 (14:56):
You look at it, I don't know, man, Now you
have turned me into a believer.
Speaker 3 (15:00):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (15:00):
If you're trying it or not. But you you've got
me thinking things.
Speaker 5 (15:03):
Yeah. But if you look at the eleven losses now
in a row on the road to Jacksonville, which includes
the one overseas in London back in I believe twenty
sixteen this might be the most devastating one. And keep
in mind in twenty twenty one they were winning in
and they don't win, they don't get in. But the
trickle down effect of the Daniel Jones Achilles injury is
(15:26):
far reaching. It has implications far beyond this season. So
everything is unclear now and I have to everyone's doing it,
me Joel's holder. We're all doing these stories of what
happens next. And it's interesting debate because that's exactly what
it is. There is no right or wrong to me,
at least when it comes to the Shane Stikeen evaluation,
(15:49):
a Chris Ballad evaluation, and really even the quarterback situation
as well. In the Daniel Jones evaluation, I know people
are going to tell me like, oh, you should do
this and this is how it goes and fire everybody
or bring everybody back. I can make legitimate arguments for
all of it, and it just kind of thinks that.
For however, many years now you don't get that full evaluation,
especially a quarterback because injury.
Speaker 1 (16:11):
You know, we were looking yesterday and the free agent
class at quarterback next year is not all that great.
Are we just turning it back over to Anthony Richardson
at this point in time? I mean, what else are
they going to be able to.
Speaker 5 (16:21):
Do next year?
Speaker 4 (16:22):
What about Philip Rivers next year too? Have you seen
the Colts quarterback situation over the last six years, seven years?
I will say this answer a good things. I think
was a very accurate depiction by James Boyd a little
bit earlier in the show. James, you tease something Rivers related.
Speaker 5 (16:39):
Yes, I was gonna actually get to this, so I
appreciate you reminding me. I kind of forgot there for
a second. But yes, So here is the situation.
Speaker 4 (16:47):
I was kidding, by the way, on Rivers in twenty six.
Speaker 5 (16:50):
I'm actually not kidding out Rivers in this twenty twenty
six scenario. So he is one of the modern era
players who was eligible for the Pro Football Hall of
Fame Class of twenty twenty six. However, if he joins
an active roster in active rosteros Ki. If he joins
a practice squad, nothing happens. If you join the active
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roster of any team, you have to restart your five
year window because you have to wait five years until
after you're done playing to be eligible for the Pro
Football Hall of Fame. Now I'm not saying he gets in,
doesn't get in, or whatever, but do you think you
all that that factors into his decision at all? The
fact that he would if he just joins the roster,
(17:34):
plays one day, not even plays just but ideally if
he joined the you know, the roster, you would play.
But would he sacrifice another five years of waiting for
the Hall of Fame for one game, possibly of playing
football again.
Speaker 4 (17:45):
I wouldn't want to wait five more years. That's two
more grand kids, man, Hell yeah, I'm gonna be three
more real kids with Philip Rivers's ability to produce children.
So yeah, I I know, James. I when I saw
that last night, I was like, yeah, I wouldn't want
to be waiting any longer than it is. Did you
guys look at it? This as embarrassing. I got that
a lot in the last twelve hours. This is embarrassing
(18:09):
the fact that the Colts are entertaining forty four year
old Philip Rivers is the e ward.
Speaker 3 (18:17):
I don't know.
Speaker 6 (18:17):
I saw some people say it was kind of like
Jeff Saturday press conference esque, where you're like, this can't
be real life? Is this really happening right now? And
the fact that you've gone from the top seed in
the AFC to now calling Philip Rivers to fly in
for a tryout a few weeks later, I could see
where people are feeling that were like, we.
Speaker 4 (18:37):
Really see similarities between Jeff Saturday and this.
Speaker 1 (18:39):
Yes, but here's the thing though, if you're the Cults,
given the options that are out there and available, what
do you do when Daniel Jones is done for the
year and probably most of the not all next year,
your backup quarterback who.
Speaker 4 (18:53):
Is a rookie is hurt?
Speaker 1 (18:56):
Brett Rippin is your next best option currently on staff? Like,
other than maybe trying to poach somebody, I don't even
know what the list is off somebody's practice squad, Like.
Speaker 5 (19:07):
What do you do?
Speaker 3 (19:08):
Where are you gonna go? What?
Speaker 6 (19:10):
Hardly going to be someone that is a little more
less old and less retired than Philip Rivers though, like
you really have You've exhausted all your options. This is
the best you can do is we have to go
to the wayback machine and call Philip Rivers at forty
four years old, who's been out of the league for
almost five years now. There's nobody else. There's not a
single soul. There's not someone from the XFL rolling around
(19:32):
that can pop in for a game.
Speaker 4 (19:34):
Jeff Brohm, Yeah, Tommy Maddocks, what.
Speaker 5 (19:37):
Sam Ellinger doing? Shot out to the Jeff brownsham eler
Phil the Broncos.
Speaker 4 (19:41):
On set last night.
Speaker 1 (19:42):
They did make the the Troy Aikman joke when he
was sitting on there.
Speaker 4 (19:46):
James, you compare it to Jeff's sartad at all you go.
Speaker 5 (19:49):
And Eward Man. I don't know how I go that far,
because to Philip Rivers and his credit, his resume is
much more.
Speaker 4 (19:59):
Yes, he's a Hall of Famer.
Speaker 5 (20:00):
Yeah, lengthy. Then whatever Jeff Saturday had to offer way
back when as what was he like the high school
coach a couple of years before he got that gig.
So I think it's very desperate. It kind of feels
like to me when the Pacers were terrible back in
twenty twenty one to twenty two and they signed Lan Stevenson,
(20:23):
and it was just like, yeah, is.
Speaker 4 (20:24):
This a circus act?
Speaker 5 (20:26):
It was just like, at least it's entertaining. It's kind
of what I think of it. Ass So from that standpoint,
I guess it's not boring. But realistically, yeah, it does
seem kind of ridiculous that you're asking a guy who
hasn't played in five years to come out and work
out and you know, sling the ball for you. But
also I think it's most embarrassing. And I'll say this
is it hopefully a disparaging comment, But Brett Ripan, I'm like, man,
(20:47):
I'm twenty nine. I'll be sitting there like, there's no
way in hell A got forty four it's better than
me a quarterback.
Speaker 4 (20:52):
Yeah. So, basically, to summarize it all up, as James
just said, right there, your options right now at quarterback,
assuming right Leonard is not available to play, Let's start there.
Knee injury for Riley Leonard flared up after the game
on Sunday. If he is not available to go this
week in Seattle, then right now, the only healthy quarterback
on your roster is Brett Ripping. He is currently on
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the practice squad he's been at the team for two months.
He lasts through a pass the NFL in twenty twenty three.
I think he has four career starts, two and two.
So basically it is either Brett Rippon or else right
and right now else indicates else. Right now technically is
Tyler Warren. That's their other backup quarterback currently. So they
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do have to sign somebody. So for everyone out there like,
oh why go to Philip River, they have to get
somebody on the roster this week and they will certainly
sign a quarterback and then I'm waiting for them as well.
Kevin to put Daniel Jones officially on injured reserve, which
opened up another roster spot for you, So there's some
roster maneuvering that has to go on anyway. But yeah,
the idea that Philip Rivers is being brought in is,
(21:55):
like I said, I had to make sure I checked
my text and I wasn't getting punked, and you know,
I don't want to confirm anything. It's a per sources
and I'm dead wrong. So just interesting waye for sure, Jeff,
you about a practice squad quarterbacks and Austin, thank you
for pointing us in this direction, Jeff Driscoll, Kyle Trask,
Mike White, Sean Clifford, Bailey ZAPPI yes, Sam Ellinger in Denver,
(22:17):
Clayton Tune, Carter Bradley, the son of Gus Bradley. Wouldn't
that be something, Kyle McCord, Trevor Simeon, Sam hart Well.
Speaker 5 (22:25):
To be clear, Sam is still actually on the active
roster for Denver. Was the active You couldn't go get him.
Speaker 4 (22:31):
This list has him on the Broncos practice squad.
Speaker 6 (22:33):
I'm looking at the Broncos like active roster right now
on their website. So those are the names Keith mentioned
just called. Couldn't hang on said, wait, he's at least
looking for next year, he said, Kyler Murray an the interest.
Speaker 5 (22:47):
We gotta go to break. I had to think about
that one.
Speaker 4 (22:49):
Lord.
Speaker 5 (22:50):
They had to put a close that he wouldn't about it.
I don't know how him and Shane Styching would drive
for that matter.
Speaker 4 (22:57):
Say you gotta work ethic questions. I don't know about
the all right, coming up with them.
Speaker 1 (23:01):
We'll continue to talk about options. Are they any options?
What are those options? How might it come to fruition
at quarterback for the Colts. We'll do it next ninety
three five one oh seven five fIF looks like.
Speaker 4 (23:13):
My guy, Fernando Mendozo.
Speaker 7 (23:16):
After that Ohio State jam with the number one Indiana
Hoosiers getting to win in a carry of five yards
for Videll, that was a great game. Congratulations to Kurt Signetti,
the head coach, and the Indiana Hoosiers, and to you,
Joe and all Hoosiers fan to do with the well,
there's I mean, that was fun. That was a big win.
And what I mean, you know how I feel about
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coach Signetti. What he's done is.
Speaker 5 (23:40):
Nothing short of incredible.
Speaker 4 (23:41):
Yeah, couldn't agree more.
Speaker 7 (23:44):
Guy just wins.
Speaker 5 (23:45):
Google them.
Speaker 3 (23:49):
Now.
Speaker 1 (23:49):
Everybody's talking about Kurt Signetti right now?
Speaker 4 (23:52):
How about that?
Speaker 1 (23:53):
About just an Indiana domination of Monday night football last night?
The whole pregame about Philip Rivers and then talking about
Kurtz during the broadcast right there, Let's go Kurtzignetti is
what do you say about this guy? This is one
of the great stories we've been around. Kevin, It's amazing,
said it to yesterday.
Speaker 4 (24:13):
It's the greatest I said after the Orgon game. It's
greatest coaching job college or pro sports. Funny I was
talking with someone that's dealt with Kurtzignetti. I would say
it's fair to say dealt with more of the personal
human side, not the football coach side, the blue gator
aid of the press conference side, the the you know,
obviously demeanor on the sidelines. You know, dealt with him
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a little bit more in a personal human element, in
a very non in front of the camera way, and
said he could not be more just down to earth
and personable and like, you know, respectful, caring, like not
like I'm the you know what, third highest paid coach
in college football, like not that ego whatsoever. And so
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I thought that was kind of cool to hear because
you see so much of the persona of him, and
you know, it seems almost wwe like at times with
kurtz Signetti. Here, so boots on the ground for little
Rose Bull visit yesterday for some members of the athletics department,
and now they will wait a week from Friday Alabama, Oklahoma,
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and then I you in the Rose Bowl coming up January.
Speaker 3 (25:21):
First.
Speaker 4 (25:21):
Of course four o'clock, right, you have to have the
sun setting when the fourth quarter starts. Is that why
we kick off at four o'clock with the Rosebull.
Speaker 5 (25:28):
Three thirty or four every year.
Speaker 4 (25:30):
Yeah, gotta love that.
Speaker 1 (25:32):
And I just when you watch in the end, he
watched him, I'll never like. It's always entertaining to me.
He's on that sideline, James. He he looks mildly irritated
at all times.
Speaker 3 (25:43):
Doesn't he.
Speaker 4 (25:44):
I don't know if I put him mildly.
Speaker 1 (25:45):
No, but I'm saying, even if there's just nothing going on,
he just looks irritated over there.
Speaker 5 (25:50):
I like to smirk. Even after they won that game,
he just smirking like that was the hardest he.
Speaker 4 (25:54):
Tried to hide it. Yeah, when he was walking to
Fine Ryan Day, Yeah, we got surprised ja Querry this
pull out before the game on Saturday. I was a
little surprised by this. Jacob's question for Indiana fans, if
you were guaranteed a win tomorrow over Ohio State, but
in exchange, you would not make a Hoops Final Four
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until at least twenty thirty five, would you make that
deal so you win the Big Ten title but no
Hoops Final Four for another ten years? Seventy percent of
people said yes, they would take the Big Ten championship.
Speaker 5 (26:38):
I'm not just very surprised as that high.
Speaker 4 (26:41):
I was stunned.
Speaker 1 (26:41):
That's probably immediate gratification right now though, Right that's the shark,
that's the shiny, sparkly object right in front of you
right now.
Speaker 4 (26:48):
Well yeah, but I mean this is also pregame, right,
and I think we've talked about it all along. Obviously
Saturday Night mattered Indiana. You never want to, you know,
Big ten championship. It's Ohio State, et cetera, et cetera.
Speaker 5 (27:00):
But you thought I'd been more in the SEC.
Speaker 4 (27:01):
You'd rather have that than thirty two straight years without
a Final four, at least thirty two according to Jake's
hypothetical here.
Speaker 5 (27:10):
I'm sucked because this is a state that's supposed to
be different for basketball. You guys are liars.
Speaker 4 (27:14):
Would you rather win Saturday Night or win the quarterfinal
game of the Rosebull.
Speaker 5 (27:22):
That's a really good question. Man, Give me the quarterfinal
game because we're staying alive for a national championship, right,
you'd think so, I mean, you can talk about the
scars of maybe not winning.
Speaker 4 (27:34):
And you would beat an SEC team, which might matter
some people.
Speaker 5 (27:37):
I thought I'd been more in the SEC. Kevin, can
you explain to me.
Speaker 4 (27:40):
I know, we don't. People talk about the SEC like
I thought, in all seriousness, I thought it was important
for Notre Dame not only to make the national title
last year, but to beat an SEC team on the way. Yeah,
and that SEC team being Georgia too.
Speaker 3 (27:52):
I like that.
Speaker 1 (27:52):
But I also think it was important to a lot
of people who've grown up here and been hoo's your
fans their whole life. If that Big Den Championship game
had it been against Penn State or Wisconsin, that'd be great.
That nobody's going to turn that down and you get
all fired up and you're still happy. But I think
it meant somehow a little bit more that it was
Ohio State if not Michigan. I think those two teams
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would have been different to play in that championship game.
Not only are you undefeated, not only are you playing
in this Big ten championship game, but you're gonna beat
either Ohio State or Michigan along the way. I think
that would I think who it was made a little
bit of a difference.
Speaker 4 (28:26):
Don't you come the final four for thirty two straight years?
Speaker 5 (28:30):
Nah, they're a liars. There's no way you. Yes, folks,
this is like when I'm watching Family Feud and they
say one hundred people we polled, and they give some
absurd answer. I'm like, forties hundred people.
Speaker 4 (28:43):
We need to.
Speaker 5 (28:43):
Diversify the crowd little bit. Yeah, show me the group,
because there's no way now I'm going to lean towards
the younger crowd, perhaps being on Twitter and not suffering
through the previous you know, having many years since I've
been relevant in men's basketball from my champions standpoint, so nah,
I can't. I can't get with that.
Speaker 4 (29:03):
One thing I want to make sure we mentioned from
the game on Saturday night is I'm in a text
chain with definitely some die hard IU fans and they
brought up one of the bigger compliments they felt on
Saturday night was the Ohio State And again yesterday, what
was my thought process pretty much the whole day. I
use defense, Like, yes, Franana Meidols is going to hoist
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his Heisman trophy on Saturday night, but the Indiana defense
is what makes them this team. And the fact that
Ohio State felt the need or have to run a
trick play in a game that again for Ohio State's purposes,
like you would think they circle Michigan more or they
circle this playoff run more and not just like a
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flea flicker or not just you know whatever, you know,
some sort of like semi trick play, like they run
this like double pass with you know, some crazy elements
to it to try and get down the field in
Indiana because they can't move it normally. With jeremih Smith
with Carnel Tait with the Heisman finalist Julian's saying they
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couldn't move the football normally down the field, they had
to revert toroation. Quite the trick play to try and
do that. You know, that was quite the compliment to
Brian Haynes and company there. I thought that was a
great point.
Speaker 5 (30:20):
Here's one for you. This is from ESPN's Jeremy Fowler says,
the Philip Rivers work out what the Colts took place
Monday nights per Source through the Ball. Well, we'll see
what's next. And I can actually confirm that as well. Yeah,
I got some trying to do the Source game people.
Just let you know, it's the weirdest thing ever, because
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when you reach out to somebody and they give you
present or pass tense, You're just like, huh, so, but yeah,
apparently this happened last night and they're going to see
from there. So I guess today is all about figuring
out the details.
Speaker 4 (30:56):
It's just where you inserted the joke of the grandpa
woke up after working out a little bit and you
want to see how he feels. I guess so, and like,
I'm kind of joking, kind of serious though, but it
sounds like he works out every day.
Speaker 1 (31:07):
And I have heard these stories along the way where
he's throwing passes of those high school kids all the time.
I'll at Brett Farva, how he used to do stuff
like that, and so it sounds like he's not just
like getting off off the couch like he You mentioned
that that he's put on full pads at some point
in time.
Speaker 5 (31:24):
He ain't been hit in five years.
Speaker 4 (31:26):
That makes it different.
Speaker 1 (31:27):
I get you, but I'm just still you know, at
least he shows up in shape, is my point.
Speaker 5 (31:32):
I got to see it.
Speaker 4 (31:33):
Are you highly entertained by the idea of him starting
or is there any part of the human element in
you that's scared for that man's life.
Speaker 1 (31:41):
I think everybody's scared for a forty four year old
guy that hasn't played for almost time.
Speaker 4 (31:46):
I tell you how you are as a human. If
you're highly entertained by it.
Speaker 5 (31:49):
I would say, I'm not scared for him because you
have a choice.
Speaker 4 (31:51):
Can you bear both, Kevin? Can you be both? Yeah?
Speaker 5 (31:55):
I feel like you should be scared when you don't
have options. He has options. I'm not gonna be scared
for him. You get out there, I want to see
what happens. Hell, you throw that paycheck at me, I'll
go out there.
Speaker 6 (32:03):
I'll take the bits from the Seattle Defense over under on.
Speaker 4 (32:07):
Market one Market, Peak Bay, or whatever the hell's.
Speaker 3 (32:13):
Gonna be prey.
Speaker 5 (32:14):
I might, I might leave this earth, but at least
that check will.
Speaker 4 (32:18):
Daughter before you get on the plane.
Speaker 5 (32:19):
Bro Mark, I don't think we had ever played this
on the air, but around going to interview with uh
Lobusi the rapper, and they asked him if he will
get into the ring like Davonte Davis. He's like, nah,
it beat me. He was like, with twenty million photeems, No,
don't do that. You wouldn't be alive to spend the money.
Speaker 1 (32:36):
Uh coming up in a moment, we will talk a
little bit more about this crazy situation we find ourselves in.
The highs and the lows all at once here in Indiana,
and also Rick Carlisle, the head coach of the Indiana Pacers,
stops by at nine o'clock. That's all straight ahead at
ninety three five and one oh seven five the fans.
Speaker 4 (32:55):
The Indiana Pacers now head into a stretch with a
lot of practice time. I would think, here with just
two games in the next nine days or so, and
talk more about it. Rick Carlisle joins us now, coach,
good morning to you.
Speaker 3 (33:06):
How you doing going fine?
Speaker 4 (33:08):
Big fourth quarter from your top three last night? Some
shot making, certainly as the lead evaporated. I thought, some
big time hustle plays from the great story that is
Ethan Thompson. What what did you see change there once
Sacramento took the lead.
Speaker 8 (33:23):
There late, Well, we we button things down defensively.
Speaker 3 (33:29):
That was a big thing.
Speaker 8 (33:30):
I mean, you know, a seventeen point defensive quarter in
the fourth was absolutely needed. And right now, you know,
our identity has got to be that we're a defense
first team. There's evidence that were very capable of it.
You know, last eight games, I think we're ranked fourth
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and defense in the league. I mean, that's a real
positive thing. You know, offensively, you know, things things come
and go with shot making and this, that and the other.
But uh, you know the defense in the fourth was key.
And then you know Nemhart had a monster game. Uh
Siakam played extremely well, as you know, virtually it seems
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like he always does. And then Matturn was was terrific
and so.
Speaker 3 (34:18):
Good Win.
Speaker 8 (34:19):
Uh got a more or less an off day to
day two days of practice and then hit the Philly rick.
Speaker 5 (34:26):
When you look at Andrew Nimharn's career and I'm thinking
back to his rookie season, I believe he had a
game winner against the Lakers at the buzzer. So he's
made big shots before, but how have you seen him
just continue to grow in those fourth quarters, the big
moments and embrace the challenges that kind of a way
when things get tight.
Speaker 3 (34:44):
Yeah, fearless player, you know it really is.
Speaker 8 (34:47):
And had a you know, had an attitude of just
kind of this moxie when he came in here as
a as a first year player. You know, he was
he was good in in training camp. You know, he's
one of our better defensive players. Was not spectacular offensively,
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but we knew that, you know, he had the lineage.
You know, he had the career at Gonzaga. I think
they went to the final game or the final four, whatever, it.
Speaker 3 (35:18):
Was his senior year.
Speaker 8 (35:20):
And I didn't even blame in game one that year.
Game two I think we played maybe in Detroit that
we played or something. But he we needed him to
guard I think Kate Cunningham in his rookie year and
he and he came in there and and was terrific
and really solid. And then it became clear that the
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thing to do maybe to put him as a secondary
ball handler and a hybrid two guard and a guy
that could take a matchup to start games. And so
you know, we kind of ended up going that direction
in in relatively short order, and that's how it's gone.
Now this year, the role is is extremely different, you know,
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being the main guy with the ball, the main guy
taking a matchup. And so one of the challenges has been,
you know, who can we put next to him they
can give us a little ball handling, who is also
a solid defender? Uh, you know, who can who can
make an open shot, you know when when when he's
feeling the heat and getting a lot of extra attention
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and so, uh, you know, the irony is Shepherd had
played one of his best games against Denver and then
then he got banged up. And so you know, we're
in Chicago, and you know, we had had Ethan Thompson
on the on the roster for a couple of days,
and I just felt, you know, it's time to give
this guy an early look. And it's a twenty five
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or twenty six year old guy, so you know, it's
not like he's your typical first year player. He's been
playing professional basketball for five or six years. He just
he just has a a moxie and a and a
tone about him, you know, where he's just unafraid, looks
like he belongs. And uh, you know, he stepped right
out in the end of the game against Chicago and
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Frank it was hard to getting him out of the game,
you know. So, uh, he did well there last night.
Speaker 3 (37:13):
You know, I thought he was was solid again, and so, uh,
you know that's as you mentioned, that's that's a that's
a really nice story.
Speaker 8 (37:22):
And as we move forward, you know, we're going to
keep trying to get guys a little healthier each day
and uh and keeping it keep working on who we.
Speaker 4 (37:31):
Are Rick for those of mind have missed it. Could
you share on specifically that Friday game with Chicago. I
don't know if maybe you found out Shepherd's status for
the game, but you know, Ethan Thompson was originally I
think drilling was some of your developmental guys over at
the United Center, and then you realize what it was
going to look like for you that night and that
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he was going to play important minutes for you, and
you had to make a call over there to say, hey,
we got to get Ethan Thompson off the floor. He's
going to play some pivotal minutes for the big league,
Uh tonight. How how unique is that? And I guess
what does that say about? You know, this kid who
just made his NBA debut a few nights earlier.
Speaker 8 (38:09):
It's it's it's certainly not a typical year in a
lot of ways. And we knew, we knew Shepherd.
Speaker 3 (38:16):
Wasn't gonna play. He wasn't on the trip.
Speaker 8 (38:18):
You know, the question was you know, uh, the plan
was to start Matthews, who had been playing well, and
then you know, kind of go from there. And it
seemed to me like the best thing to do would
be to start Matthews and then you know, we'll toss uh,
we'll toss Ethan in there. But you know what happened
was we had some of our interns come up to Chicago.
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You know, we're working on getting Quinton Jackson back. One
of the things he needs to do is is play.
And so after shoot around on Friday, a group of
low minute guys and interns, we're gonna play. And you know,
that's Jalen Peter, That's that's Quinton Jackson. I think Ethan
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assumed he was part of the part of that group too,
which you know, which is good, you know, and look,
if he had played, it probably wouldn't have you know,
may not have made that big a difference. But as
we're on the bus headed back to the hotel after
shooting around, you know, I called over there to see
if he was playing, because my plan was, you know,
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not going to be to start him, but to get
him in the game pretty early. And somebody said, yeah,
they know, they just started playing. I said, well, look
pull him out because he's probably gonna play. He's gonna
play minutes and I don't know how many.
Speaker 3 (39:32):
And so they pulled him out, you know, So that
was that was kind of it. But that's that's how
this year has kind of been. There's been some unique
aspects to it. Challenges slash opportunities, and so you know,
one of.
Speaker 8 (39:46):
The one of the challenges is the injuries. And then
a great example of opportunity is is Ethan Thompson being
the right place at the right time.
Speaker 4 (39:53):
Pass one four of six Again, as Ra Carlisle laid out,
there a little bit of time off the Philly in
Washington coming up on a Friday and Sunday, but not
a ton of game action here over the next ten
days or so. Coach, your next win will be one
thousand for your career. I think you'd become I believe
it's the eleventh coach in NBA history to reach the
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Comma mark, if you will. Does that matter to you
at all? Does that mean anything to you? That number?
Speaker 3 (40:24):
Yeah, I don't know. I you know, I it alwayst
feels like it's the best not to talk about things
like this and just and just try to keep going,
you know, but look, it just it just means I've
I've been very blessed over the years with a lot
of great situations, great ownership, terrific players, a very supportive
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family all that, but I I you know, I don't
want to put the horse before the card. I mean,
this year is a very good example of.
Speaker 8 (40:56):
How, you know, winning one NBA game is extremely difficult,
you know, and when you when and when you get
extraordinary circumstances as we've had this year, you know, putting
the chicken before the egg, or the egg before the
chicken or whatever it is, just doesn't just doesn't feel right.
Speaker 5 (41:17):
Rick Uh. To look at other guys in your roster
stepped up Garrison Matthews. I mean, the guy is an
all out shooter. How have you seen m perhaps find
his rhythm as of leat on it early on, you know,
once in the ball as well. But it seems like
he's gotten comfortable just being integrated into this offense with
obviously new teammates.
Speaker 3 (41:36):
Well, you know, he's he's a guy that's a gunslinger.
He's gonna he's gonna play his game.
Speaker 8 (41:41):
He knows who he is, he knows what's what gets
him on an NBA roster and what gets him on
the floor. The challenge was that you know, he he
had he been I believe the last cut on New
York it was down to him and Landry Shammot, and
the word we got was that, you know.
Speaker 3 (41:59):
He had shot the ball as well or maybe even
a little bit better than Shaman, but there was just
you know, the tiebreaker was just you know, the ultimate
fit with the team.
Speaker 8 (42:09):
And all that kind of stuff. I don't really know,
that doesn't really matter. But he was sitting out, you know,
for probably the better part of a month, and you know,
we went through four or five different guys before we
got to him, and in fact, in fact, you know,
we had the one workout in Dallas where we worked
out three guys. Eventually all three guys ended up on
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the roster. None of the three are on are on
the club anymore. And so we were cycling onto another
group of two or three guys and we thought we
had a group of three that we're going to come
in for a workout, but one of them was handed
overseas another one had some personal things going on, and
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the timing wasn't right, and so you know, Garrison was
the only guy available. So we brought him in and
we needed shooting, we needed space, and the task was
to help him get shape, you know, and so Lloyd
Pierce did a really great job just you know, starting
kind of from scratch. You know, you can be at
home and you can be working out on your own
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and and that kind of stuff, but you know, it's
it's it's virtually impossible to simulate NBA practices in NBA games,
And so it took, you know, it took a good
four or five days to get him to where you know,
he felt like his legs were there, et cetera, et cetera.
Speaker 3 (43:31):
His first game was at Cleveland Whenever. That was two
and a half weeks ago. You know, he went in
the game, he got some clean shots off, nothing went in,
but the signs were good, and it kind of went
from there. And so when he got to the end
of his first ten day and this we're talking about
a ten day team injury hardship contract, I mean, it's
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like a whole sentence, like you got to say a
whole sentence to describe what it is. You know, you know,
he hadn't made he hadn't made a lot of shots yet,
but it just felt to us like, you know, he
had done the work and he was close, and so, uh,
you know, we brought him back. In the first game,
he uh, he got it going and then you know,
last night he hit some big shots, had a four
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point play, et cetera. And with him, you know, he's
a guy you got to count for on a scouting report.
I mean, you don't. You don't account for him. I mean,
I think in.
Speaker 8 (44:25):
One or two years, in the last four or five
he's led the league in four point plays, et cetera,
et cetera.
Speaker 3 (44:31):
So an easy guy to like. You know, he's just
he's he's gritty, he's he's kind of you know who
we are, you know right now as a team. And
so we're we're happy to have him on board.
Speaker 5 (44:48):
So you talked about bringing in guys for workouts, and
the Colts are have actually brought in Philip Rivers, forty
four year old quarterback in for a workout. So and
you're coaching or playing read do you remember the oldest
player you played with or coached?
Speaker 2 (45:06):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (45:06):
Boy, trying to think, well, you know, Dirk was the
oldest I think that I coached that he was. He
was forty, you know, in his twenty first year. Look,
Jason Kidd was thirty eight when we won the championship
with him, and and there have been others, you know,
and you know, James Johnson I think was thirty seven
last year. Yeah, there there's been there's been guys like that.
Speaker 8 (45:29):
But but I will say this, do not underestimate change Stiking.
I mean, I think it's pretty clear that he's the
best coach of quarterbacks, you know, really anybody's seen in
the last several years. I mean, what he's done with
a whole long list of guys, and so to me,
the guys, the guys that master, I think he's done
(45:50):
an incredible, amazing job this year. There's a long way
to go in their season, you know, I know, things
things can things can look can look dreary times, but uh,
there's an upbeat, upbeat fan base, you know, super upbeat
franchise added the Pacers and uh and we're really told
for them.
Speaker 4 (46:10):
That's Rick Carlisle and Pacers have one four of six.
They beat Sacramento last night. They've got Philly coming up
this weekend. He's with us here on the Paylosslockers Hotline.
Did I hear you were at the Purdue game on Saturday?
Speaker 3 (46:23):
I was, Yeah, I was.
Speaker 8 (46:26):
I was there with with Sonny Beck from Beck's Hybrids,
which was which is a c company. Sonny and and
uh and his uh his operation are supporters of driving Dish, which.
Speaker 3 (46:39):
We're grateful for.
Speaker 8 (46:40):
And he invited me to a game a long time ago,
and so yeah, I went up there and had amazing
seats one an atmosphere at the I had the privilege
of sitting with Sunny on my right and Brian Cardinal
on my left. Okay, so there's two living legends now.
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Cardinal not only not only is he a for due legend,
but Cardinal played for US on the twenty eleven championship.
Speaker 3 (47:10):
Team in Dallas. And I'm going to tell you a.
Speaker 8 (47:12):
Short story about Cardinals. So in game six out we
had we had played the series in the finals. In
the fourth game, we had to make some adjustments to
our rotation because of matchups, and so we started playing
Brian Cardinal over another more you know, more established household
name type player. Well, Cardinal was playing effectively. You know,
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his game is not the most beautiful game in the world,
but when you look at his production and what happens
as a winning player, the guy's pretty amazing what he
did in his career. So we won game We won
game four to tie the series. We won Game five.
In game six at Miami. We're up three to two
with a chance to close out the series. Whisky gets
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his second foul like five minutes into the game, and
so boom, here comes Cardinals. Now the score is we're
either down five or down seven. I forget which. Dirk
had had a rough shot making night to start the
game Vegas two fouls.
Speaker 3 (48:18):
Cardinal comes in the game. We go from let's say
it was down five at the end of the first quarter,
we were up seven. Okay, we go plus twelve with
Cardinal in the game. Dirk comes back in the game.
Now Dirk is continuing it's continuing to have trouble making shots.
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So we go. We get into halftime and Cardinal of
Dirt were really good friends. In Cardinal's seat is right
next to Dirk's in the locker room, and as we
walk in at the Koche staff, Cardinal was in there.
Speaker 8 (48:53):
And the locker rooms pretty quiet. But we still had
a two point lead, and Cardinals sane, this is great, man,
and he was calling Dirty Dirty Dirty Dirk was Dirt,
Dirk's uh nickname. He goes dirty, this is great. You
got all the misses out, bro, He's got to keep shooting.
This is gonna be great. This is gonna be.
Speaker 3 (49:11):
Awesome, man, and so and so we we come in
and we we end up setting up a play to
try to get Dirk an open shot with JJ Ray
has set a pin down for him. He comes off,
hits the shot in the second half. He may have
missed one shot, but he was great. But the Cardinals,
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Cardinals impact on that championship is is always going to
be overlooked. But he's He's one of the most resourceful
players I've ever been around. And when you walk around
the Mackie Mackie Center with him, you know, the guy,
it's like it's like walking around with Tom Brady, you know.
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I mean, he's just uh everybody, everybody knows and loves him,
and uh and and and I certainly know why.
Speaker 4 (50:00):
That some great, great stuff, absolute Purdue legend. Brian Cardinal.
We'll end with this coach, and as always, we appreciate
the time I did have to chuckle a couple of
games ago. You said afterwards in regards to timeouts that
it would be great if you could buy timeouts like
vows and a wheel of fortune. Are you more wheel
of Fortune? Are you more Jeopardy?
Speaker 8 (50:23):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (50:23):
Gosh, I like both but.
Speaker 8 (50:26):
Yeah, I mean, look, those timeouts, you're not out of timeouts,
they just they just have a price, and so you
gotta just got to decide if it's worth it to
take to take one and spend a you know, a
technical free throw work give the team the possession back
as I described after the game. And look, I don't
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mean to make fun of it or make light of
it or anything like that, but if the other team
already has the ball and you feel like your guys
need you know, a minute, fifteen seconds, you know, for
whatever reason, maybe it's maybe maybe you just don't have
a lot of guys left on your roster that night,
and they you just feel like they need a little
bit of a break to finish the game.
Speaker 3 (51:10):
Whatever, you know.
Speaker 8 (51:12):
If it's already the other team's ball, it's it's one
technical free throw. It's not it's not the end of
the world, you know. But I don't like doing it.
I only do it when it's when I feel it's necessary.
We didn't do it at all last year or the
year before. I don't think.
Speaker 3 (51:26):
Uh, these have been extraordinary circumstances this year. So sometimes
sometimes it happens like that.
Speaker 4 (51:32):
Picture an R. S. T. L N E and you
up there getting some letters there and the end of
will Fortune. I'm always debating what I would go with
their c D. Would you go with Val?
Speaker 5 (51:43):
Would you would gotta go Val? I feel like you
gotta go Valve, gotta.
Speaker 3 (51:46):
Go Val with this r S well, some of them,
you know, there's like on Instagram, there's there's some of
these things where people are making the wrong guesses at
what the what the puzzle says, and some of the
stuff is you know, it transcends, you know, the question
of which value you would buy. Let's just put it
that way.
Speaker 4 (52:04):
I need a documentary on this, say, the Least Pacers
night off tonight, so I guess we can watch a
little Wheel Fortune, a little Jeopardy. They'll be back Friday
six ers and Sunday afternoon. They've got the wizards inside
of gamebridge Field House. Coach, thank you as always. We'll
talk to you next week
Speaker 3 (52:18):
All right, guys, pack caure
You're listening to the Best of the Fan morning show
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Speaker 2 (00:09):
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Speaker 3 (00:31):
Well.
Speaker 1 (00:32):
He is a sensation in college football, no question about that.
Fernando Mendoza is one of four players to know have
been invited to New York City for this Saturday's Heisman
Trophy ceremony. He has done amazing things in his year
at Indiana, leading them to an undefeated season of birth
in the College Football Playoff and man, we are dying
to know more about this this young man and it
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seems like just a really cool kid too. Dave Dunn,
his high school football coach over at Christopher Columbus High
in Miami, joins us now on the Payless Liquors Hotline
to talk a little bit more about this young man,
and we're hungry, coach, to find out everything we can
about him.
Speaker 4 (01:08):
Good morning, and welcome to the program.
Speaker 1 (01:10):
We appreciate you being here, but it's got to be
almost surreal to have a kid that you coached in
high school going to New York to maybe get the
Heisman Trophy this weekend.
Speaker 3 (01:18):
Huh, it really is guys. Thanks for having me on.
He's just a tremendous young man. So watching him have
the success he's had at IU, it has been amazing
for everybody down here in Miami and especially at Christopher
Columbus High School.
Speaker 4 (01:32):
And that's Dave done the coach as he said at
Christopher Columbus High School, and Dave Kevin Bowen here, I
appreciate you responding and joining us on this Tuesday morning.
Let's go back to the first time for Nano Mendoza.
Got I would say, probably accurately thrust into a game
for you down there. I know you've told the story before,
but for our audience it hasn't heard it. It's quite
the story.
Speaker 3 (01:53):
He was injured and didn't practice the whole week, and
the kind of cleared him right before the game, and
I hold his dad right before the game. He said, hey, listen,
you don't have to worry. We're not going to put
him in. He said, don't worry about it. Well, a
quarterback got knocked out with about a minute to go
in the game, and his uh came in off the
bench and his first pass he threw was for a touchdown,
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which basically, you know, put us in position to win
the game.
Speaker 5 (02:19):
So that is what year was this for Fernando.
Speaker 3 (02:24):
It was a sophomore year, and his dad just shook
his head as we're walking off the field and said,
I thought you said he wasn't going to play. So
he literally he made a statement on his first pass
ever thrown in high school.
Speaker 4 (02:35):
And coaches there a little more. What wasn't there maybe
a missed kick that led all of a sudden you
need him to do it again, and Mendoza got you
into kicking range again for potentially the win.
Speaker 3 (02:44):
Yeah, so we ended up it made it score twenty eight,
twenty seven, We missed the extra point, went through an
on side kick, and we had about fourteen seconds left
with no timeouts, and so Fernando threw a deep in
route that got us in the field goal range, went
up and spiked the ball. We missed the field goal,
so it would have been a much better story if
we made either of the two kicks, but he did
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his part, and then so I'm at the end of
the game there.
Speaker 5 (03:09):
I was going to say, you sound like an Ohio
State fan this past weekend, and it just made the kick,
but obviously I you and your former quarterback played spoilers
and they have been on a remarkable run, probably one
of the greatest stories in all of college sports history. So,
coach for you, when did you perhaps realize that Fernando
could play at this level? And I say that because
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every coach is going to be high on their starting
quarterback and a high character kid, But did you see
some NFL talent in him early on?
Speaker 3 (03:40):
His first start came that next week because we still
have the same injury at quarterback and we played against
Coral Gables High School, was in one of our rivals
down here, and he legitimately went like eighteen of twenty
three with three touchdowns, no interceptions, and just did an
unreal job of guiding our offense and not making a
mistake and being posed so all the things you see
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him do, like on on Saturday night versus Ohio State,
I go. Disclaimer by the way, I was born in
ann Arbor, Michigan. So not only was I my favorite
team each week now is IU and then whoever's playing
Ohio State. So it was really good for me to
see that. But just a composure he had in his
first started and he was like fifteen years old, I'm
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like he's and he was a big kid. He was
kind of skinnier at that point, but I'm like, if
he fills out, he's gonna have a shot.
Speaker 4 (04:30):
That's crazy stuff.
Speaker 1 (04:31):
So when you're watching that game this Saturday and the
game is kind of on the line and they go
for it on third and long to try to put
the game away, and he throws that great pass to Becker,
that what are you thinking when he just steps up
in the biggest moment of the season and he delivers
a big strike there with the game on the line.
Speaker 3 (04:51):
I just had a film they were going to have
to throw the ball at that obviously that situation, because
like coach Signetti said, I started looking at the clock,
I'm like, they need two more first outs to put
it away, So you have to throw it here. You can't.
You just can't play and hope that you're going to
take another twenty five seconds off the clock and then
and then punt it. So I knew he had to
make a throw. And I think, you know, Charlie had
had such a great game, you know, the entire night,
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so that that was the guy to go to at
that point. I think they liked the matchup. He put
the ball in an unbelievable spot and that pretty much
iced the game for him.
Speaker 4 (05:22):
Again, that's Dave Dune, the high school coach of Fernando
Mendosi's with the Sea on the paylofs lookers hoghline on
this Tuesday morning. Coach, I know, his high school recruitment,
you know, definitely overlapped a little bit with COVID, So
you know, potentially that impacted some things. But how would
you compare maybe the lack of interest from a high
school recruitment standpoint to what the portal recruitment was like
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for him this time last year?
Speaker 3 (05:44):
It was night and day just because we couldn't. His
junior year was COVID and he was unreal. In his
junior year, we had a really good team. We were undefeated,
We're champions. At the end of the year. We literally,
I think we played we only trailed one quarter the
whole year. We were a very dominant team. It was
the fourth quarter of the championship game and we we
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actually for an end of an interception for a touchdown,
and that's how we gave up the lead. And I
just looked at him and I said, hey, listen, you
got to fix this. And he went down against Deerfield
Beach and led us to a game winning touchdown. So
he played unreal that year and just we couldn't and
he didn't get to go to any camps because of COVID,
and so it was kind of a We're trying to
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show everybody in his senior year, which we just weren't
as good around him as senior year, how good of
a player he was. And I was a Division IE
recruiting coordinator at one point in my career, so I
had a lot of people in college coaching that I
was begging that. I said, he's you never say can't
miss I go, but he's pretty darn close. And it
was very for It was frush. He handled it probably
(06:47):
way better than I did. It was very frustrating for him,
but it was he never showed it. It had to be.
But and then when when it came to you know,
when I watched him play at Cow and I actually
got to go to his best game. I saw him
play against wake Forest last year. I'm like, if he
enters the portal, I go, He's gonna have a ton
of options.
Speaker 5 (07:04):
At this point, again, we have Dave done on the line.
The high school coach of Fernando Mendoza coach. One that
I'm curious about when it comes to Fernando, and I
say this in endearing fashion, the Hoosias are flipping champions
and I'm not, you know, editing that for radio. He
says that, and it's so wholesome. So personality wise, how
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have you seen him balance being We've joked about it
here on the station, like the like the college ta
versus being a dog and going out there and competing
at the highest level.
Speaker 3 (07:40):
You deep down he's he's a killer, and that's what
you have to know when when he steps on the field.
He's got a different mindset than than than people would
perceive him to have. He's just the nicest kid off
the field. Like I've said this several times in all
the interviews i've been you know, I've done over the
last few weeks. Based on his notoriety, is that he's
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the type of young man you want to marry your daughter.
But on field stone cold killer. And that's what I
love about him is that he can literally he'll be
successful whatever he does. His demeanor off the field is driven,
but he's such a nice young man and people, like
everyone keeps asking me They're like, is that how he
really is? That's him. I go, that's how he is.
(08:21):
Some people think that, you know, he's putting on an
act for the interviews. He's always been that way. That's
how he is.
Speaker 4 (08:27):
Coach, you haven't any conversation with I don't know any
high school coach. I feel like in this day and age,
it's quickly met with. You know, maybe some of the challenges,
and you know, certainly there are some parents that are
uber supportive, and then you can have times where it
can be challenging on that front to deal with all
of it. What would you say about Fernando's parents. Obviously
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his brother, of course, we've seen this story his mom
dealing with MS. You know, it's been pretty well well documented.
But what was high school life like with the Mendoza parents.
Speaker 3 (09:00):
They were unbelieved because the dad played offensive line at
Columbus High School. So the dad's a football guy and
he he was put I always say this to everybody
I go. When it came to coaching. The Mendoz is
Alberto and Fernando, Between me and his dad, it was
bad cop, bad cop. We were both really hard on him.
There was no good cop. The else of the mom
might have been the good cop, and the only feedback
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she ever gave me was and when we called too
many design run plays, she would tell me, don't have
him run the ball so much. They literally let me
coach their boys, which was awesome.
Speaker 1 (09:34):
Uh, it's fantastic. It's great to learn about him. And
Kevin mentioned Alberta too. How is Alberto as a quarterback
the long term?
Speaker 3 (09:45):
You know what he's they're different, and he's he's an
unbelievable competitor and he he plays with you know, people say, oh,
you know, Fernando plays with a chip on the shoulder.
I go, if that's the case, then Alberto plays with
the two by four in his shoulder. He's very, very
confident in his ability. He's he's an absolute killer as
a competitor, just like just like Fernando. But I but
(10:07):
I even think it's probably he takes it up a
few nachas. It's I'm excited for his future. I've enjoyed,
you know, And Alberta will will remind Fernando all the time.
Alberto never lost a playoff game Columbus High School. They
were back to that, we were back to back state
champions when Alberta was the quarterback and he reminds Fernando
that all the time. So, uh, it's I'm excited for
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for his future at IU, and I think he's just
gonna be able to carry on the Mendoza legacy going forward.
Speaker 4 (10:33):
Coach last one week, greatly appreciate your time here on
this Tuesday morning. Again, Da've done with us here, Christopher
Columbus High School, the head coach of the Mendoza Brothers
back in high school. Have you thought what Saturday night
will be like for you? I believe Fernando Mendoza will
be hoisting that Heisman trophy. It will be a speech
for the ages. Uh have you thought at all about
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what your emotions will be come Saturday night?
Speaker 3 (10:56):
Well, I'm going up, so I'm pretty excited for it.
You know, I'm not a betting guy, but I would
bet my house on the fact that he's gonna he's
gonna win the award. And I just I look at
a young man who's just put so much work into
his craft and being a great quarterback and watching him
have the success at I you and win this award,
(11:18):
and I share the sentiments of of Coach Signetti. Is
I truly believe it's a team award. He would not
be able to do this without the great teammates he's in,
coaching staff he's had at IU. I just think it's
just it's a culmination of of of uh, you know,
twenty three years of hard work or twenty I think
he's twenty one, twenty one years of hard work, and
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it's gonna be. It's gonna be. It's gonna be real
special for me to watch him hoist the trophy.
Speaker 1 (11:44):
Coach, thank you again for your time this morning. We
appreciate it. Can hear the excitement in your voice, and Uh,
it's gotta be a lot of fun to be around
that family and that kid and and have fun in
New York this weekend.
Speaker 3 (11:55):
My friend. Thanks guys, thanks for having me on.
Speaker 4 (11:58):
You bet Da've done.
Speaker 1 (11:59):
Head football coach at Christopher Columbus High School in Miami.
He just seems like he's just got this infectious personality.
But you can't do what you do on the field
like he does if you're not a killer somewhere in there.
Speaker 4 (12:11):
Boy, I had to laugh here and Dave Dunn described
maybe his mom a little upset at times of too
many RPOs can you imagine what Mom was thinking when
Kay and Curry got that clean look on her son
on that first spect if.
Speaker 5 (12:21):
We're saying that was a clean hit. I saw him
on the Pat McAfee show and a lot of people
could say, oh, man, you know I I shouldn't have
done that, or you know I was dirt. No like
for all the fans out there singing it was dirty,
the quarterback said it wasn't clear.
Speaker 4 (12:33):
Yeah, and Kate and Curry, by the way, had a
great game, So shout out to the Center Grove product
for that. But yeah, it's yeah.
Speaker 5 (12:40):
I saw somebody call him a loser and I laughed
because I was like, yeah, he's from here, and he
did not lose very often in his high school days
and not really now either.
Speaker 4 (12:49):
He's one of the best players in the field on
Saturday Night, to say the least. So yeah, it's just,
you know, hearing more about the Mendoza story, there is
just it's a bit movie like honestly, and just everything
that you know he is about and the unique character
that he possesses and how he is full you know,
in the Portal era, I think there is some nervousness
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maybe from longer term college sports fans, do you really
embrace you know where you're being and you're just chasing
the money, and it's one year here, one year there,
and you're just coming here for you know whatever further
your NFL pursuit. And certainly that was a big reason
why Fernando Mindoza chose Indiana with Kurt Signetti's history with quarterbacks.
But there's a lot more to the character of the
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human being. I think we've grown to know that over
the last few months. And you know, the whole nation
has now seen it on display, whether a Saturday night
or you know, certainly they're going to see it at
the Heisman Trophy ceremony coming up here in a few days.
Speaker 1 (13:43):
And the next time we see him it'll be the
Rose Bull on New Year's Day, as they will.
Speaker 4 (13:47):
Site visit for IU yesterday. Yeah, there are boots on
the ground out there in Pasadena. So yes four o'clock, Alabama, Oklahoma.
I saw some early lines they'd be right around a touchdown.
Favorite over either.
Speaker 5 (14:00):
I like it so far.
Speaker 3 (14:01):
I like it. I like it.
Speaker 4 (14:02):
I like it.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
Welcome into the Fan Morning Show with James Woyd. Back
from Jacksonville. How was the Lovely City of Jacksonville. By
the way, it was rainy.
Speaker 5 (14:11):
I'll say that it was leaking in the press box,
and I kid you not. It was legitimately a trash
can in the middle of the press box to catch
the water. So the renovations can't get done fast enough
down there. As far as the game goes, not to
rub it in because I feel like it's crude to
do that considering the injury and the magnetude of the injury.
But yeah, I will never pick them the win in Jacksonville.
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I'm dead serious on that until I see with my
one two eyes.
Speaker 4 (14:34):
James, I was wrong, man. I looked at you a
couple times last week. I was like, you think this
curse thing is really real? And you were adamant that
it was and is. I might I might have believed
the curse was real when Jones knew the first pick
on the first play of the game, but then when
he went down, I was like, oh my gosh.
Speaker 5 (14:50):
Yeah, And honestly, you know, I see that last week
sort of tongue in cheek, joking a little bit, but if.
Speaker 4 (14:56):
You look at it, I don't know, man, Now you
have turned me into a believer.
Speaker 3 (15:00):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (15:00):
If you're trying it or not. But you you've got
me thinking things.
Speaker 5 (15:03):
Yeah. But if you look at the eleven losses now
in a row on the road to Jacksonville, which includes
the one overseas in London back in I believe twenty
sixteen this might be the most devastating one. And keep
in mind in twenty twenty one they were winning in
and they don't win, they don't get in. But the
trickle down effect of the Daniel Jones Achilles injury is
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far reaching. It has implications far beyond this season. So
everything is unclear now and I have to everyone's doing it,
me Joel's holder. We're all doing these stories of what
happens next. And it's interesting debate because that's exactly what
it is. There is no right or wrong to me,
at least when it comes to the Shane Stikeen evaluation,
(15:49):
a Chris Ballad evaluation, and really even the quarterback situation
as well. In the Daniel Jones evaluation, I know people
are going to tell me like, oh, you should do
this and this is how it goes and fire everybody
or bring everybody back. I can make legitimate arguments for
all of it, and it just kind of thinks that.
For however, many years now you don't get that full evaluation,
especially a quarterback because injury.
Speaker 1 (16:11):
You know, we were looking yesterday and the free agent
class at quarterback next year is not all that great.
Are we just turning it back over to Anthony Richardson
at this point in time? I mean, what else are
they going to be able to.
Speaker 5 (16:21):
Do next year?
Speaker 4 (16:22):
What about Philip Rivers next year too? Have you seen
the Colts quarterback situation over the last six years, seven years?
I will say this answer a good things. I think
was a very accurate depiction by James Boyd a little
bit earlier in the show. James, you tease something Rivers related.
Speaker 5 (16:39):
Yes, I was gonna actually get to this, so I
appreciate you reminding me. I kind of forgot there for
a second. But yes, So here is the situation.
Speaker 4 (16:47):
I was kidding, by the way, on Rivers in twenty six.
Speaker 5 (16:50):
I'm actually not kidding out Rivers in this twenty twenty
six scenario. So he is one of the modern era
players who was eligible for the Pro Football Hall of
Fame Class of twenty twenty six. However, if he joins
an active roster in active rosteros Ki. If he joins
a practice squad, nothing happens. If you join the active
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roster of any team, you have to restart your five
year window because you have to wait five years until
after you're done playing to be eligible for the Pro
Football Hall of Fame. Now I'm not saying he gets in,
doesn't get in, or whatever, but do you think you
all that that factors into his decision at all? The
fact that he would if he just joins the roster,
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plays one day, not even plays just but ideally if
he joined the you know, the roster, you would play.
But would he sacrifice another five years of waiting for
the Hall of Fame for one game, possibly of playing
football again.
Speaker 4 (17:45):
I wouldn't want to wait five more years. That's two
more grand kids, man, Hell yeah, I'm gonna be three
more real kids with Philip Rivers's ability to produce children.
So yeah, I I know, James. I when I saw
that last night, I was like, yeah, I wouldn't want
to be waiting any longer than it is. Did you
guys look at it? This as embarrassing. I got that
a lot in the last twelve hours. This is embarrassing
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the fact that the Colts are entertaining forty four year
old Philip Rivers is the e ward.
Speaker 3 (18:17):
I don't know.
Speaker 6 (18:17):
I saw some people say it was kind of like
Jeff Saturday press conference esque, where you're like, this can't
be real life? Is this really happening right now? And
the fact that you've gone from the top seed in
the AFC to now calling Philip Rivers to fly in
for a tryout a few weeks later, I could see
where people are feeling that were like, we.
Speaker 4 (18:37):
Really see similarities between Jeff Saturday and this.
Speaker 1 (18:39):
Yes, but here's the thing though, if you're the Cults,
given the options that are out there and available, what
do you do when Daniel Jones is done for the
year and probably most of the not all next year,
your backup quarterback who.
Speaker 4 (18:53):
Is a rookie is hurt?
Speaker 1 (18:56):
Brett Rippin is your next best option currently on staff? Like,
other than maybe trying to poach somebody, I don't even
know what the list is off somebody's practice squad, Like.
Speaker 5 (19:07):
What do you do?
Speaker 3 (19:08):
Where are you gonna go? What?
Speaker 6 (19:10):
Hardly going to be someone that is a little more
less old and less retired than Philip Rivers though, like
you really have You've exhausted all your options. This is
the best you can do is we have to go
to the wayback machine and call Philip Rivers at forty
four years old, who's been out of the league for
almost five years now. There's nobody else. There's not a
single soul. There's not someone from the XFL rolling around
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that can pop in for a game.
Speaker 4 (19:34):
Jeff Brohm, Yeah, Tommy Maddocks, what.
Speaker 5 (19:37):
Sam Ellinger doing? Shot out to the Jeff brownsham eler
Phil the Broncos.
Speaker 4 (19:41):
On set last night.
Speaker 1 (19:42):
They did make the the Troy Aikman joke when he
was sitting on there.
Speaker 4 (19:46):
James, you compare it to Jeff's sartad at all you go.
Speaker 5 (19:49):
And Eward Man. I don't know how I go that far,
because to Philip Rivers and his credit, his resume is
much more.
Speaker 4 (19:59):
Yes, he's a Hall of Famer.
Speaker 5 (20:00):
Yeah, lengthy. Then whatever Jeff Saturday had to offer way
back when as what was he like the high school
coach a couple of years before he got that gig.
So I think it's very desperate. It kind of feels
like to me when the Pacers were terrible back in
twenty twenty one to twenty two and they signed Lan Stevenson,
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and it was just like, yeah, is.
Speaker 4 (20:24):
This a circus act?
Speaker 5 (20:26):
It was just like, at least it's entertaining. It's kind
of what I think of it. Ass So from that standpoint,
I guess it's not boring. But realistically, yeah, it does
seem kind of ridiculous that you're asking a guy who
hasn't played in five years to come out and work
out and you know, sling the ball for you. But
also I think it's most embarrassing. And I'll say this
is it hopefully a disparaging comment, But Brett Ripan, I'm like, man,
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I'm twenty nine. I'll be sitting there like, there's no
way in hell A got forty four it's better than
me a quarterback.
Speaker 4 (20:52):
Yeah. So, basically, to summarize it all up, as James
just said, right there, your options right now at quarterback,
assuming right Leonard is not available to play, Let's start there.
Knee injury for Riley Leonard flared up after the game
on Sunday. If he is not available to go this
week in Seattle, then right now, the only healthy quarterback
on your roster is Brett Ripping. He is currently on
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the practice squad he's been at the team for two months.
He lasts through a pass the NFL in twenty twenty three.
I think he has four career starts, two and two.
So basically it is either Brett Rippon or else right
and right now else indicates else. Right now technically is
Tyler Warren. That's their other backup quarterback currently. So they
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do have to sign somebody. So for everyone out there like,
oh why go to Philip River, they have to get
somebody on the roster this week and they will certainly
sign a quarterback and then I'm waiting for them as well.
Kevin to put Daniel Jones officially on injured reserve, which
opened up another roster spot for you, So there's some
roster maneuvering that has to go on anyway. But yeah,
the idea that Philip Rivers is being brought in is,
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like I said, I had to make sure I checked
my text and I wasn't getting punked, and you know,
I don't want to confirm anything. It's a per sources
and I'm dead wrong. So just interesting waye for sure, Jeff,
you about a practice squad quarterbacks and Austin, thank you
for pointing us in this direction, Jeff Driscoll, Kyle Trask,
Mike White, Sean Clifford, Bailey ZAPPI yes, Sam Ellinger in Denver,
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Clayton Tune, Carter Bradley, the son of Gus Bradley. Wouldn't
that be something, Kyle McCord, Trevor Simeon, Sam hart Well.
Speaker 5 (22:25):
To be clear, Sam is still actually on the active
roster for Denver. Was the active You couldn't go get him.
Speaker 4 (22:31):
This list has him on the Broncos practice squad.
Speaker 6 (22:33):
I'm looking at the Broncos like active roster right now
on their website. So those are the names Keith mentioned
just called. Couldn't hang on said, wait, he's at least
looking for next year, he said, Kyler Murray an the interest.
Speaker 5 (22:47):
We gotta go to break. I had to think about
that one.
Speaker 4 (22:49):
Lord.
Speaker 5 (22:50):
They had to put a close that he wouldn't about it.
I don't know how him and Shane Styching would drive
for that matter.
Speaker 4 (22:57):
Say you gotta work ethic questions. I don't know about
the all right, coming up with them.
Speaker 1 (23:01):
We'll continue to talk about options. Are they any options?
What are those options? How might it come to fruition
at quarterback for the Colts. We'll do it next ninety
three five one oh seven five fIF looks like.
Speaker 4 (23:13):
My guy, Fernando Mendozo.
Speaker 7 (23:16):
After that Ohio State jam with the number one Indiana
Hoosiers getting to win in a carry of five yards
for Videll, that was a great game. Congratulations to Kurt Signetti,
the head coach, and the Indiana Hoosiers, and to you,
Joe and all Hoosiers fan to do with the well,
there's I mean, that was fun. That was a big win.
And what I mean, you know how I feel about
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coach Signetti. What he's done is.
Speaker 5 (23:40):
Nothing short of incredible.
Speaker 4 (23:41):
Yeah, couldn't agree more.
Speaker 7 (23:44):
Guy just wins.
Speaker 5 (23:45):
Google them.
Speaker 3 (23:49):
Now.
Speaker 1 (23:49):
Everybody's talking about Kurt Signetti right now?
Speaker 4 (23:52):
How about that?
Speaker 1 (23:53):
About just an Indiana domination of Monday night football last night?
The whole pregame about Philip Rivers and then talking about
Kurtz during the broadcast right there, Let's go Kurtzignetti is
what do you say about this guy? This is one
of the great stories we've been around. Kevin, It's amazing,
said it to yesterday.
Speaker 4 (24:13):
It's the greatest I said after the Orgon game. It's
greatest coaching job college or pro sports. Funny I was
talking with someone that's dealt with Kurtzignetti. I would say
it's fair to say dealt with more of the personal
human side, not the football coach side, the blue gator
aid of the press conference side, the the you know,
obviously demeanor on the sidelines. You know, dealt with him
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a little bit more in a personal human element, in
a very non in front of the camera way, and
said he could not be more just down to earth
and personable and like, you know, respectful, caring, like not
like I'm the you know what, third highest paid coach
in college football, like not that ego whatsoever. And so
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I thought that was kind of cool to hear because
you see so much of the persona of him, and
you know, it seems almost wwe like at times with
kurtz Signetti. Here, so boots on the ground for little
Rose Bull visit yesterday for some members of the athletics department,
and now they will wait a week from Friday Alabama, Oklahoma,
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and then I you in the Rose Bowl coming up January.
Speaker 3 (25:21):
First.
Speaker 4 (25:21):
Of course four o'clock, right, you have to have the
sun setting when the fourth quarter starts. Is that why
we kick off at four o'clock with the Rosebull.
Speaker 5 (25:28):
Three thirty or four every year.
Speaker 4 (25:30):
Yeah, gotta love that.
Speaker 1 (25:32):
And I just when you watch in the end, he
watched him, I'll never like. It's always entertaining to me.
He's on that sideline, James. He he looks mildly irritated
at all times.
Speaker 3 (25:43):
Doesn't he.
Speaker 4 (25:44):
I don't know if I put him mildly.
Speaker 1 (25:45):
No, but I'm saying, even if there's just nothing going on,
he just looks irritated over there.
Speaker 5 (25:50):
I like to smirk. Even after they won that game,
he just smirking like that was the hardest he.
Speaker 4 (25:54):
Tried to hide it. Yeah, when he was walking to
Fine Ryan Day, Yeah, we got surprised ja Querry this
pull out before the game on Saturday. I was a
little surprised by this. Jacob's question for Indiana fans, if
you were guaranteed a win tomorrow over Ohio State, but
in exchange, you would not make a Hoops Final Four
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until at least twenty thirty five, would you make that
deal so you win the Big Ten title but no
Hoops Final Four for another ten years? Seventy percent of
people said yes, they would take the Big Ten championship.
Speaker 5 (26:38):
I'm not just very surprised as that high.
Speaker 4 (26:41):
I was stunned.
Speaker 1 (26:41):
That's probably immediate gratification right now though, Right that's the shark,
that's the shiny, sparkly object right in front of you
right now.
Speaker 4 (26:48):
Well yeah, but I mean this is also pregame, right,
and I think we've talked about it all along. Obviously
Saturday Night mattered Indiana. You never want to, you know,
Big ten championship. It's Ohio State, et cetera, et cetera.
Speaker 5 (27:00):
But you thought I'd been more in the SEC.
Speaker 4 (27:01):
You'd rather have that than thirty two straight years without
a Final four, at least thirty two according to Jake's
hypothetical here.
Speaker 5 (27:10):
I'm sucked because this is a state that's supposed to
be different for basketball. You guys are liars.
Speaker 4 (27:14):
Would you rather win Saturday Night or win the quarterfinal
game of the Rosebull.
Speaker 5 (27:22):
That's a really good question. Man, Give me the quarterfinal
game because we're staying alive for a national championship, right,
you'd think so, I mean, you can talk about the
scars of maybe not winning.
Speaker 4 (27:34):
And you would beat an SEC team, which might matter
some people.
Speaker 5 (27:37):
I thought I'd been more in the SEC. Kevin, can
you explain to me.
Speaker 4 (27:40):
I know, we don't. People talk about the SEC like
I thought, in all seriousness, I thought it was important
for Notre Dame not only to make the national title
last year, but to beat an SEC team on the way. Yeah,
and that SEC team being Georgia too.
Speaker 3 (27:52):
I like that.
Speaker 1 (27:52):
But I also think it was important to a lot
of people who've grown up here and been hoo's your
fans their whole life. If that Big Den Championship game
had it been against Penn State or Wisconsin, that'd be great.
That nobody's going to turn that down and you get
all fired up and you're still happy. But I think
it meant somehow a little bit more that it was
Ohio State if not Michigan. I think those two teams
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would have been different to play in that championship game.
Not only are you undefeated, not only are you playing
in this Big ten championship game, but you're gonna beat
either Ohio State or Michigan along the way. I think
that would I think who it was made a little
bit of a difference.
Speaker 4 (28:26):
Don't you come the final four for thirty two straight years?
Speaker 5 (28:30):
Nah, they're a liars. There's no way you. Yes, folks,
this is like when I'm watching Family Feud and they
say one hundred people we polled, and they give some
absurd answer. I'm like, forties hundred people.
Speaker 4 (28:43):
We need to.
Speaker 5 (28:43):
Diversify the crowd little bit. Yeah, show me the group,
because there's no way now I'm going to lean towards
the younger crowd, perhaps being on Twitter and not suffering
through the previous you know, having many years since I've
been relevant in men's basketball from my champions standpoint, so nah,
I can't. I can't get with that.
Speaker 4 (29:03):
One thing I want to make sure we mentioned from
the game on Saturday night is I'm in a text
chain with definitely some die hard IU fans and they
brought up one of the bigger compliments they felt on
Saturday night was the Ohio State And again yesterday, what
was my thought process pretty much the whole day. I
use defense, Like, yes, Franana Meidols is going to hoist
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his Heisman trophy on Saturday night, but the Indiana defense
is what makes them this team. And the fact that
Ohio State felt the need or have to run a
trick play in a game that again for Ohio State's purposes,
like you would think they circle Michigan more or they
circle this playoff run more and not just like a
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flea flicker or not just you know whatever, you know,
some sort of like semi trick play, like they run
this like double pass with you know, some crazy elements
to it to try and get down the field in
Indiana because they can't move it normally. With jeremih Smith
with Carnel Tait with the Heisman finalist Julian's saying they
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couldn't move the football normally down the field, they had
to revert toroation. Quite the trick play to try and
do that. You know, that was quite the compliment to
Brian Haynes and company there. I thought that was a
great point.
Speaker 5 (30:20):
Here's one for you. This is from ESPN's Jeremy Fowler says,
the Philip Rivers work out what the Colts took place
Monday nights per Source through the Ball. Well, we'll see
what's next. And I can actually confirm that as well. Yeah,
I got some trying to do the Source game people.
Just let you know, it's the weirdest thing ever, because
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when you reach out to somebody and they give you
present or pass tense, You're just like, huh, so, but yeah,
apparently this happened last night and they're going to see
from there. So I guess today is all about figuring
out the details.
Speaker 4 (30:56):
It's just where you inserted the joke of the grandpa
woke up after working out a little bit and you
want to see how he feels. I guess so, and like,
I'm kind of joking, kind of serious though, but it
sounds like he works out every day.
Speaker 1 (31:07):
And I have heard these stories along the way where
he's throwing passes of those high school kids all the time.
I'll at Brett Farva, how he used to do stuff
like that, and so it sounds like he's not just
like getting off off the couch like he You mentioned
that that he's put on full pads at some point
in time.
Speaker 5 (31:24):
He ain't been hit in five years.
Speaker 4 (31:26):
That makes it different.
Speaker 1 (31:27):
I get you, but I'm just still you know, at
least he shows up in shape, is my point.
Speaker 5 (31:32):
I got to see it.
Speaker 4 (31:33):
Are you highly entertained by the idea of him starting
or is there any part of the human element in
you that's scared for that man's life.
Speaker 1 (31:41):
I think everybody's scared for a forty four year old
guy that hasn't played for almost time.
Speaker 4 (31:46):
I tell you how you are as a human. If
you're highly entertained by it.
Speaker 5 (31:49):
I would say, I'm not scared for him because you
have a choice.
Speaker 4 (31:51):
Can you bear both, Kevin? Can you be both? Yeah?
Speaker 5 (31:55):
I feel like you should be scared when you don't
have options. He has options. I'm not gonna be scared
for him. You get out there, I want to see
what happens. Hell, you throw that paycheck at me, I'll
go out there.
Speaker 6 (32:03):
I'll take the bits from the Seattle Defense over under on.
Speaker 4 (32:07):
Market one Market, Peak Bay, or whatever the hell's.
Speaker 3 (32:13):
Gonna be prey.
Speaker 5 (32:14):
I might, I might leave this earth, but at least
that check will.
Speaker 4 (32:18):
Daughter before you get on the plane.
Speaker 5 (32:19):
Bro Mark, I don't think we had ever played this
on the air, but around going to interview with uh
Lobusi the rapper, and they asked him if he will
get into the ring like Davonte Davis. He's like, nah,
it beat me. He was like, with twenty million photeems, No,
don't do that. You wouldn't be alive to spend the money.
Speaker 1 (32:36):
Uh coming up in a moment, we will talk a
little bit more about this crazy situation we find ourselves in.
The highs and the lows all at once here in Indiana,
and also Rick Carlisle, the head coach of the Indiana Pacers,
stops by at nine o'clock. That's all straight ahead at
ninety three five and one oh seven five the fans.
Speaker 4 (32:55):
The Indiana Pacers now head into a stretch with a
lot of practice time. I would think, here with just
two games in the next nine days or so, and
talk more about it. Rick Carlisle joins us now, coach,
good morning to you.
Speaker 3 (33:06):
How you doing going fine?
Speaker 4 (33:08):
Big fourth quarter from your top three last night? Some
shot making, certainly as the lead evaporated. I thought, some
big time hustle plays from the great story that is
Ethan Thompson. What what did you see change there once
Sacramento took the lead.
Speaker 8 (33:23):
There late, Well, we we button things down defensively.
Speaker 3 (33:29):
That was a big thing.
Speaker 8 (33:30):
I mean, you know, a seventeen point defensive quarter in
the fourth was absolutely needed. And right now, you know,
our identity has got to be that we're a defense
first team. There's evidence that were very capable of it.
You know, last eight games, I think we're ranked fourth
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and defense in the league. I mean, that's a real
positive thing. You know, offensively, you know, things things come
and go with shot making and this, that and the other.
But uh, you know the defense in the fourth was key.
And then you know Nemhart had a monster game. Uh
Siakam played extremely well, as you know, virtually it seems
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like he always does. And then Matturn was was terrific
and so.
Speaker 3 (34:18):
Good Win.
Speaker 8 (34:19):
Uh got a more or less an off day to
day two days of practice and then hit the Philly rick.
Speaker 5 (34:26):
When you look at Andrew Nimharn's career and I'm thinking
back to his rookie season, I believe he had a
game winner against the Lakers at the buzzer. So he's
made big shots before, but how have you seen him
just continue to grow in those fourth quarters, the big
moments and embrace the challenges that kind of a way
when things get tight.
Speaker 3 (34:44):
Yeah, fearless player, you know it really is.
Speaker 8 (34:47):
And had a you know, had an attitude of just
kind of this moxie when he came in here as
a as a first year player. You know, he was
he was good in in training camp. You know, he's
one of our better defensive players. Was not spectacular offensively,
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but we knew that, you know, he had the lineage.
You know, he had the career at Gonzaga. I think
they went to the final game or the final four, whatever, it.
Speaker 3 (35:18):
Was his senior year.
Speaker 8 (35:20):
And I didn't even blame in game one that year.
Game two I think we played maybe in Detroit that
we played or something. But he we needed him to
guard I think Kate Cunningham in his rookie year and
he and he came in there and and was terrific
and really solid. And then it became clear that the
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thing to do maybe to put him as a secondary
ball handler and a hybrid two guard and a guy
that could take a matchup to start games. And so
you know, we kind of ended up going that direction
in in relatively short order, and that's how it's gone.
Now this year, the role is is extremely different, you know,
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being the main guy with the ball, the main guy
taking a matchup. And so one of the challenges has been,
you know, who can we put next to him they
can give us a little ball handling, who is also
a solid defender? Uh, you know, who can who can
make an open shot, you know when when when he's
feeling the heat and getting a lot of extra attention
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and so, uh, you know, the irony is Shepherd had
played one of his best games against Denver and then
then he got banged up. And so you know, we're
in Chicago, and you know, we had had Ethan Thompson
on the on the roster for a couple of days,
and I just felt, you know, it's time to give
this guy an early look. And it's a twenty five
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or twenty six year old guy, so you know, it's
not like he's your typical first year player. He's been
playing professional basketball for five or six years. He just
he just has a a moxie and a and a
tone about him, you know, where he's just unafraid, looks
like he belongs. And uh, you know, he stepped right
out in the end of the game against Chicago and
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Frank it was hard to getting him out of the game,
you know. So, uh, he did well there last night.
Speaker 3 (37:13):
You know, I thought he was was solid again, and so, uh,
you know that's as you mentioned, that's that's a that's
a really nice story.
Speaker 8 (37:22):
And as we move forward, you know, we're going to
keep trying to get guys a little healthier each day
and uh and keeping it keep working on who we.
Speaker 4 (37:31):
Are Rick for those of mind have missed it. Could
you share on specifically that Friday game with Chicago. I
don't know if maybe you found out Shepherd's status for
the game, but you know, Ethan Thompson was originally I
think drilling was some of your developmental guys over at
the United Center, and then you realize what it was
going to look like for you that night and that
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he was going to play important minutes for you, and
you had to make a call over there to say, hey,
we got to get Ethan Thompson off the floor. He's
going to play some pivotal minutes for the big league,
Uh tonight. How how unique is that? And I guess
what does that say about? You know, this kid who
just made his NBA debut a few nights earlier.
Speaker 8 (38:09):
It's it's it's certainly not a typical year in a
lot of ways. And we knew, we knew Shepherd.
Speaker 3 (38:16):
Wasn't gonna play. He wasn't on the trip.
Speaker 8 (38:18):
You know, the question was you know, uh, the plan
was to start Matthews, who had been playing well, and
then you know, kind of go from there. And it
seemed to me like the best thing to do would
be to start Matthews and then you know, we'll toss uh,
we'll toss Ethan in there. But you know what happened
was we had some of our interns come up to Chicago.
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You know, we're working on getting Quinton Jackson back. One
of the things he needs to do is is play.
And so after shoot around on Friday, a group of
low minute guys and interns, we're gonna play. And you know,
that's Jalen Peter, That's that's Quinton Jackson. I think Ethan
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assumed he was part of the part of that group too,
which you know, which is good, you know, and look,
if he had played, it probably wouldn't have you know,
may not have made that big a difference. But as
we're on the bus headed back to the hotel after
shooting around, you know, I called over there to see
if he was playing, because my plan was, you know,
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not going to be to start him, but to get
him in the game pretty early. And somebody said, yeah,
they know, they just started playing. I said, well, look
pull him out because he's probably gonna play. He's gonna
play minutes and I don't know how many.
Speaker 3 (39:32):
And so they pulled him out, you know, So that
was that was kind of it. But that's that's how
this year has kind of been. There's been some unique
aspects to it. Challenges slash opportunities, and so you know,
one of.
Speaker 8 (39:46):
The one of the challenges is the injuries. And then
a great example of opportunity is is Ethan Thompson being
the right place at the right time.
Speaker 4 (39:53):
Pass one four of six Again, as Ra Carlisle laid out,
there a little bit of time off the Philly in
Washington coming up on a Friday and Sunday, but not
a ton of game action here over the next ten
days or so. Coach, your next win will be one
thousand for your career. I think you'd become I believe
it's the eleventh coach in NBA history to reach the
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Comma mark, if you will. Does that matter to you
at all? Does that mean anything to you? That number?
Speaker 3 (40:24):
Yeah, I don't know. I you know, I it alwayst
feels like it's the best not to talk about things
like this and just and just try to keep going,
you know, but look, it just it just means I've
I've been very blessed over the years with a lot
of great situations, great ownership, terrific players, a very supportive
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family all that, but I I you know, I don't
want to put the horse before the card. I mean,
this year is a very good example of.
Speaker 8 (40:56):
How, you know, winning one NBA game is extremely difficult,
you know, and when you when and when you get
extraordinary circumstances as we've had this year, you know, putting
the chicken before the egg, or the egg before the
chicken or whatever it is, just doesn't just doesn't feel right.
Speaker 5 (41:17):
Rick Uh. To look at other guys in your roster
stepped up Garrison Matthews. I mean, the guy is an
all out shooter. How have you seen m perhaps find
his rhythm as of leat on it early on, you know,
once in the ball as well. But it seems like
he's gotten comfortable just being integrated into this offense with
obviously new teammates.
Speaker 3 (41:36):
Well, you know, he's he's a guy that's a gunslinger.
He's gonna he's gonna play his game.
Speaker 8 (41:41):
He knows who he is, he knows what's what gets
him on an NBA roster and what gets him on
the floor. The challenge was that you know, he he
had he been I believe the last cut on New
York it was down to him and Landry Shammot, and
the word we got was that, you know.
Speaker 3 (41:59):
He had shot the ball as well or maybe even
a little bit better than Shaman, but there was just
you know, the tiebreaker was just you know, the ultimate
fit with the team.
Speaker 8 (42:09):
And all that kind of stuff. I don't really know,
that doesn't really matter. But he was sitting out, you know,
for probably the better part of a month, and you know,
we went through four or five different guys before we
got to him, and in fact, in fact, you know,
we had the one workout in Dallas where we worked
out three guys. Eventually all three guys ended up on
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the roster. None of the three are on are on
the club anymore. And so we were cycling onto another
group of two or three guys and we thought we
had a group of three that we're going to come
in for a workout, but one of them was handed
overseas another one had some personal things going on, and
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the timing wasn't right, and so you know, Garrison was
the only guy available. So we brought him in and
we needed shooting, we needed space, and the task was
to help him get shape, you know, and so Lloyd
Pierce did a really great job just you know, starting
kind of from scratch. You know, you can be at
home and you can be working out on your own
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and and that kind of stuff, but you know, it's
it's it's virtually impossible to simulate NBA practices in NBA games,
And so it took, you know, it took a good
four or five days to get him to where you know,
he felt like his legs were there, et cetera, et cetera.
Speaker 3 (43:31):
His first game was at Cleveland Whenever. That was two
and a half weeks ago. You know, he went in
the game, he got some clean shots off, nothing went in,
but the signs were good, and it kind of went
from there. And so when he got to the end
of his first ten day and this we're talking about
a ten day team injury hardship contract, I mean, it's
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like a whole sentence, like you got to say a
whole sentence to describe what it is. You know, you know,
he hadn't made he hadn't made a lot of shots yet,
but it just felt to us like, you know, he
had done the work and he was close, and so, uh,
you know, we brought him back. In the first game,
he uh, he got it going and then you know,
last night he hit some big shots, had a four
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point play, et cetera. And with him, you know, he's
a guy you got to count for on a scouting report.
I mean, you don't. You don't account for him. I mean,
I think in.
Speaker 8 (44:25):
One or two years, in the last four or five
he's led the league in four point plays, et cetera,
et cetera.
Speaker 3 (44:31):
So an easy guy to like. You know, he's just
he's he's gritty, he's he's kind of you know who
we are, you know right now as a team. And
so we're we're happy to have him on board.
Speaker 5 (44:48):
So you talked about bringing in guys for workouts, and
the Colts are have actually brought in Philip Rivers, forty
four year old quarterback in for a workout. So and
you're coaching or playing read do you remember the oldest
player you played with or coached?
Speaker 2 (45:06):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (45:06):
Boy, trying to think, well, you know, Dirk was the
oldest I think that I coached that he was. He
was forty, you know, in his twenty first year. Look,
Jason Kidd was thirty eight when we won the championship
with him, and and there have been others, you know,
and you know, James Johnson I think was thirty seven
last year. Yeah, there there's been there's been guys like that.
Speaker 8 (45:29):
But but I will say this, do not underestimate change Stiking.
I mean, I think it's pretty clear that he's the
best coach of quarterbacks, you know, really anybody's seen in
the last several years. I mean, what he's done with
a whole long list of guys, and so to me,
the guys, the guys that master, I think he's done
(45:50):
an incredible, amazing job this year. There's a long way
to go in their season, you know, I know, things
things can things can look can look dreary times, but uh,
there's an upbeat, upbeat fan base, you know, super upbeat
franchise added the Pacers and uh and we're really told
for them.
Speaker 4 (46:10):
That's Rick Carlisle and Pacers have one four of six.
They beat Sacramento last night. They've got Philly coming up
this weekend. He's with us here on the Paylosslockers Hotline.
Did I hear you were at the Purdue game on Saturday?
Speaker 3 (46:23):
I was, Yeah, I was.
Speaker 8 (46:26):
I was there with with Sonny Beck from Beck's Hybrids,
which was which is a c company. Sonny and and
uh and his uh his operation are supporters of driving Dish, which.
Speaker 3 (46:39):
We're grateful for.
Speaker 8 (46:40):
And he invited me to a game a long time ago,
and so yeah, I went up there and had amazing
seats one an atmosphere at the I had the privilege
of sitting with Sunny on my right and Brian Cardinal
on my left. Okay, so there's two living legends now.
(47:00):
Cardinal not only not only is he a for due legend,
but Cardinal played for US on the twenty eleven championship.
Speaker 3 (47:10):
Team in Dallas. And I'm going to tell you a.
Speaker 8 (47:12):
Short story about Cardinals. So in game six out we
had we had played the series in the finals. In
the fourth game, we had to make some adjustments to
our rotation because of matchups, and so we started playing
Brian Cardinal over another more you know, more established household
name type player. Well, Cardinal was playing effectively. You know,
(47:36):
his game is not the most beautiful game in the world,
but when you look at his production and what happens
as a winning player, the guy's pretty amazing what he
did in his career. So we won game We won
game four to tie the series. We won Game five.
In game six at Miami. We're up three to two
with a chance to close out the series. Whisky gets
(48:02):
his second foul like five minutes into the game, and
so boom, here comes Cardinals. Now the score is we're
either down five or down seven. I forget which. Dirk
had had a rough shot making night to start the
game Vegas two fouls.
Speaker 3 (48:18):
Cardinal comes in the game. We go from let's say
it was down five at the end of the first quarter,
we were up seven. Okay, we go plus twelve with
Cardinal in the game. Dirk comes back in the game.
Now Dirk is continuing it's continuing to have trouble making shots.
(48:40):
So we go. We get into halftime and Cardinal of
Dirt were really good friends. In Cardinal's seat is right
next to Dirk's in the locker room, and as we
walk in at the Koche staff, Cardinal was in there.
Speaker 8 (48:53):
And the locker rooms pretty quiet. But we still had
a two point lead, and Cardinals sane, this is great, man,
and he was calling Dirty Dirty Dirty Dirk was Dirt,
Dirk's uh nickname. He goes dirty, this is great. You
got all the misses out, bro, He's got to keep shooting.
This is gonna be great. This is gonna be.
Speaker 3 (49:11):
Awesome, man, and so and so we we come in
and we we end up setting up a play to
try to get Dirk an open shot with JJ Ray
has set a pin down for him. He comes off,
hits the shot in the second half. He may have
missed one shot, but he was great. But the Cardinals,
(49:31):
Cardinals impact on that championship is is always going to
be overlooked. But he's He's one of the most resourceful
players I've ever been around. And when you walk around
the Mackie Mackie Center with him, you know, the guy,
it's like it's like walking around with Tom Brady, you know.
(49:53):
I mean, he's just uh everybody, everybody knows and loves him,
and uh and and and I certainly know why.
Speaker 4 (50:00):
That some great, great stuff, absolute Purdue legend. Brian Cardinal.
We'll end with this coach, and as always, we appreciate
the time I did have to chuckle a couple of
games ago. You said afterwards in regards to timeouts that
it would be great if you could buy timeouts like
vows and a wheel of fortune. Are you more wheel
of Fortune? Are you more Jeopardy?
Speaker 8 (50:23):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (50:23):
Gosh, I like both but.
Speaker 8 (50:26):
Yeah, I mean, look, those timeouts, you're not out of timeouts,
they just they just have a price, and so you
gotta just got to decide if it's worth it to
take to take one and spend a you know, a
technical free throw work give the team the possession back
as I described after the game. And look, I don't
(50:48):
mean to make fun of it or make light of
it or anything like that, but if the other team
already has the ball and you feel like your guys
need you know, a minute, fifteen seconds, you know, for
whatever reason, maybe it's maybe maybe you just don't have
a lot of guys left on your roster that night,
and they you just feel like they need a little
bit of a break to finish the game.
Speaker 3 (51:10):
Whatever, you know.
Speaker 8 (51:12):
If it's already the other team's ball, it's it's one
technical free throw. It's not it's not the end of
the world, you know. But I don't like doing it.
I only do it when it's when I feel it's necessary.
We didn't do it at all last year or the
year before. I don't think.
Speaker 3 (51:26):
Uh, these have been extraordinary circumstances this year. So sometimes
sometimes it happens like that.
Speaker 4 (51:32):
Picture an R. S. T. L N E and you
up there getting some letters there and the end of
will Fortune. I'm always debating what I would go with
their c D. Would you go with Val?
Speaker 5 (51:43):
Would you would gotta go Val? I feel like you
gotta go Valve, gotta.
Speaker 3 (51:46):
Go Val with this r S well, some of them,
you know, there's like on Instagram, there's there's some of
these things where people are making the wrong guesses at
what the what the puzzle says, and some of the
stuff is you know, it transcends, you know, the question
of which value you would buy. Let's just put it
that way.
Speaker 4 (52:04):
I need a documentary on this, say, the Least Pacers
night off tonight, so I guess we can watch a
little Wheel Fortune, a little Jeopardy. They'll be back Friday
six ers and Sunday afternoon. They've got the wizards inside
of gamebridge Field House. Coach, thank you as always. We'll
talk to you next week
Speaker 3 (52:18):
All right, guys, pack caure
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