December 10, 2025 • 48 mins
00:00 – 12:54 – We’re back in the time machine as Philip Rivers signs with the Colts and what it all means for the Colts against the Seahawks and the rest of the season
12:55 – 23:51 – Former Colts tight end Jack Doyle joins us and discusses the touchdown and 2-point conversion catch from Philip Rivers in the playoff game against the Bills, Philip Rivers trash talk, does he expect him to have any rust?, teammate text chain
23:52 – 38:56 – ESPN Colts reporter Stephen Holder joins us and weighs in on the return of Philip Rivers, true expectations of the 44-year old QB, the other QB they signed, Colts defense and lack of a pass rush, can Rivers truly be in better shape than he was when he played, Riley Leonard
38:57 – 48:46 - The Athletic’s Scott Dochterman joins us and discusses why Indiana is truly a Cinderella story, setting the scene for the Big Ten Championship, Heisman vote
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You're listening to the best of the Fan morning show.
On ninety three five and one oh seven five the Fan,
they seized a fan morning show with KB jab and Jeff.
From multiple sources, forty four year old Philip Rivers is
signing to the quarterback needy Indianapolis Colts.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
Hey, hey, I've seen this one.
Speaker 1 (00:24):
I've seen this one.
Speaker 3 (00:25):
It's a classic for me.
Speaker 1 (00:26):
You've seen this. It's brand new, you know. I saw
it on the week rerun to rerun.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
The forty four year old Grandfather. I was definitely a
little surprise. I mean, but if there is one guy
to call who can do something like this, it's definitely.
Speaker 1 (00:43):
Him to be leading the Colts into the playoffs to
a super Bowl.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
You can do it.
Speaker 4 (00:50):
Get that old.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
Ass, your's Indian Zone. We got to win this.
Speaker 5 (00:55):
It feels a little desperate to me.
Speaker 3 (00:57):
You're forty four, bro, Get rid of the rock, do
not hold it, don't double pump, and you ain't.
Speaker 5 (01:03):
Fast enough to get out of the pocket.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
Let that thing go.
Speaker 5 (01:05):
Realistically, I mean, who knows what Philip's kp you luck
you know, you know I'm going to say a super Bowl.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
Yeah, that's my real estate. Yes, we're still in this thing,
and we are very much the last Just.
Speaker 1 (01:18):
Now, old man got in time.
Speaker 6 (01:24):
Wow, Michael Pittman is optimistic and bullush on everything, and
welcome into the twilight zone, in which Indiana football's the
number one right team in the nation. Philip Rivers is
coming back from a five year hiatus to possibly play
for the Indianapolis Colts. We had an Assembly Hall scoring
record last night for Indiana, or dude trying to get
back on track against Minnesota later on tonight. Other than that,
(01:47):
there's nothing happening in our world. James Boyd, How was
it over at West fifty six yesterday? My friend?
Speaker 4 (01:52):
No trip over there just yet. We'll go over there
for the first time today this week to see Uncle
Phil out on the practice. But Kevin, you noted this immediately.
There was no practice today, and then the reported signing
of Phil Rivers happened, and there was a practice today.
So I'm guessing the ben Gay got busted out. He's
(02:14):
rubbing it on the shoulder and he's got to get
ready to go.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
Do we call him Grunkle Phil, Grandpa uncle together or
are we sticking with Uncle Phil? Uncle Phil obviously sounds better.
Speaker 6 (02:25):
If he's three and out. He's gramps. If he scores
a touchdown drive, he's Uncle Phil right.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
Ah, yeah, I.
Speaker 4 (02:31):
Would actually agree with this. Uncle scores the grandpa washed.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
This is Philip Rivers life. We don't have time for
Wednesday walkthroughs anymore. We gotta get on the practice field.
So yes, the Colts have changed up their practice schedule
in the aftermath of Philip Rivers' arrival. So they will
go back to early season practice today, practice tomorrow, practice Friday,
among the changes. So, boy, it is he's Noellen Harveson. Yeah,
(02:57):
that is an understatement. There it is. It's amazing. You know.
You can call it entertaining, call it frightening, call it desperate,
call it genius. But here we are Philip Freakin' Rivers,
and I expect him to start on Sunday. I know
that's the question that a lot of people have asked.
But I don't think Philip River. I don't know. Maybe
(03:18):
you just need to smoke break from his ten kid household,
But I don't think you hop on a plane and
get all the way up here to hold a Microsoft
surface and scratch the back of Brett Rippon.
Speaker 7 (03:28):
Mark. I'll know this.
Speaker 6 (03:29):
Phil's got three kids crawling all over him, and he
hasn't had a break in six and a half weeks.
And he gets that phone call and before before Shantstiching
and Chris Paller can even finish what they're saying, he's like,
when can you get me on the plane.
Speaker 8 (03:40):
Yes, let's go. I'll do it for free. Yes, I'll
be there.
Speaker 4 (03:44):
Well, I guess the proof of this is at first
the reported tryout was supposed to be Tuesday, and then
it comes out, oh no.
Speaker 2 (03:51):
He was here Monday.
Speaker 4 (03:52):
So to your point, Jeff got rid of the family
pretty quick.
Speaker 8 (03:56):
Are on time.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
Usually, what if I told you on August Philip Rivers
will start more games Thanapolis Colts, this here than Anthony Richardson.
Speaker 8 (04:07):
I would think you smacked your head relatively hard.
Speaker 6 (04:10):
I would think that you would you would be in
concussion protocol at that point in time.
Speaker 4 (04:15):
I would think that you have done another drug deal
in the parking lot like you did for the uh
Rick Carlisle T shirt.
Speaker 7 (04:24):
Again.
Speaker 4 (04:25):
Oh boy, Yeah, I definitely would be questioning things. But
at this point I think I come round to it.
I wrote this yesterday and it actually went live this morning.
I was walking in but I don't necessarily view this
through the same out of the box lens as of
Jeff Saturday hiring. I know he mentioned that. I believe
he went on the Rich eisen So yesterday and he said, oh,
(04:45):
this is like me walking in there.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
No, it is not.
Speaker 4 (04:49):
Granted you had no coaching experience at the pro college level.
At least Philip Rivers has played in the NFL. He
does know several of the teams almost two decades, several
the teammates actually because they're still playing.
Speaker 6 (05:00):
Yeah, so from.
Speaker 4 (05:01):
That perspective, there's football reasons. I can squint my eyes
and say, Okay, I can see where he's for what
you're trying to do. Where the Jeff Saturday one was
like this will never work. So this might not ever
work either, But at least, again football reasons, there are
some You asked a.
Speaker 6 (05:15):
Question yesterday, Kevin, which I think is really the key question, like,
what what is Shane Stikeen going to get out of
all of these guys that he might be looking for
his potential starting quarterbacks in this particular circumstance where you're
either going to go get a guy off the street
that's not a starting level quarterback anyway, and the guy
that you have that you could elevate. You're not clearly
(05:38):
all that confident. As somebody wrote on Twitter yesterday, like
I feel offended for at ripping right now, but my
point is you're Shane Steiken. You're sitting there, You're trying
to figure out what in the world are we going
to do. You've been having these weekly conversations about your
offense with a guy who has run your offense in
(05:59):
the past. And what is Shane Styken? You asked the question, actually,
what's Shane Styke? And looking for somebody who can just
operate his offense right now? Can he stand up to
the physical riggers of the NFL.
Speaker 2 (06:10):
We don't know any of that.
Speaker 6 (06:11):
What's the arm looked like after five years? Don't know,
but cerebrally intellectually at least Shane Styke and knows I
got I can get a guy under center there that
when he gets the ball in his hands, has a
really good idea what that defense wants to do, and
knows exactly where my guys are going to be.
Speaker 2 (06:30):
That's where you're at, right Yeah, the question just changes
once that ball snapped. Obviously, look the colt.
Speaker 9 (06:39):
I'm ok, I'm just saying that that's not the thought process,
the cultureand is one of the more dire situations I've
ever seen it the last time I look at the
quarterback depth chart like I look at it right now.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
And fittingly, we'll have Jack Doyle join us at eight o'clock.
Former teammate of course, of Philip Rivers.
Speaker 4 (06:54):
I believe he was the last guy to catch a
touchdown pass from Rivers.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
In that building game, right playoff game. Yeah, so Jack
Doyle was a part of the Colts back in mark.
You have to double check me on the year. I'm
gonna guess fifteen or sixteen BC. Yes, certainly when they
went combo quarterback in a game, they went Josh Freeman
up until the two minute warning, and then they went
(07:18):
Ryan Linley for the two minut offense. So literally they
spent a week training one quarterback of you run our
basic offense. Other guy, you run the two minute offense.
This is the only other time I can consider it
as dire, And of course I say that because torn
a chillies for Dana Jones, Anthony Richardson orbital fracture, not
playing Riley Leonard assuming he can't go, that's probably the
(07:39):
one little dangling news item we have here Wednesday morning
of is Riley Leonard truly out for Sunday again? As
we said quite often yesterday, a knee injury to a
quarterback that needs his legs significantly to like Riley Leonard
playing quarterback and Philip Rivers playing quarterback, are two different
guys in terms of their legs. Philip Rivers played a
playoff game on a torn acl ryle. Leonard's not playing
(08:01):
a game on a torn acal. Nothing against his toughness,
but that's just not how he is as a quarterback.
So yes, Jeff, to answer your question, I guess they
are going peak cerebral. They are going we are two
football nerds that know this offense better than anything you
could ever imagine. And when Seattle shows us this, we're
gonna sit in this meeting room on a Wednesday night
(08:23):
and we're gonna say, let's counter to that, and it's
gonna work. Of course, what happens when eleven dudes in
blue jerseys and forty five degrees spitting rain in one
of the most hostile environments in the NFL and the
defense that hasn't allowed two touchdowns has allot eight touchdown
in two weeks, a taxi quarterback that hasn't thrown a
past in eighteen hundred days.
Speaker 4 (08:41):
Yeah, I was looking at this well, Yeah, I was
throwing a pass. Don't sell my boy short. Now he's
been down there in Fair Hope, Alabama, throwing it around
with the high school kids, like it is a Disney movie.
So he's ready for this moment.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
But this will be a Disney movie.
Speaker 4 (08:53):
It could be you know, it'll be a lesson learn
for all involved.
Speaker 2 (08:58):
We might want to go back to the Disney channel
if this doesn't go well exactly, but Bluis reruns sound
pretty good right now.
Speaker 4 (09:05):
But to your point about what he could be up against,
we had to go back and look at this. The
Seattle Seahawks have only allowed nine points in the last
two weeks combined, and they forced eight turnovers. That is
the definition of good luck.
Speaker 6 (09:24):
But I guess, ultimately at the end of the day,
like what are your options?
Speaker 2 (09:30):
So so I did see and James, I don't know
if you saw anywhere I thought I saw Joe a
Ericson mention in his story. They tried to sign Sam
Ellinger off of Denver's practice squad.
Speaker 6 (09:38):
You refuse right.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
So yeah, and you know, if you're Ellinger, let's play
that out. You have a chance to be a starting
quarterback in the NFL. And you say no, I mean
that's that. I mean that's but I also understouite the
statement of like, wow, what you think of the Colts situation? Now,
if you're Allinger, you had your cup of coffee here,
you did start for this franchise. You are being thrown
(10:00):
into quite the disadvantage, this advantageous. I have no idea
how to even say that. Not a great scenario is
probably the simplest way to put it. And with Denver,
for what it's worth, he is on the team that
might win at all. Now granted he's the third quarterback
and not going to see playing time you would think,
but you know that those are the types of conversations
(10:20):
we've had. I mean, we read off the practice squad
quarterback list yesterday. It's a it's a dire, dire group.
Speaker 6 (10:26):
So yeah, from what I understand too, the Cults are
not the first team that sam Alinger has said no to.
Oh yeah really yeah, So whatever's going on with him,
people won't sam Elnger. He seems to be happy. I
heard two teams. I'm guessing one of them is the Cults,
so I don't know it's there. But again, you know,
(10:50):
I see on the text line about every twentieth text
people are like, Tyler Warren's the emergency quarterback. Kevin, please
explain what that means being the emergency quarterback. You're not
going to be the quarterback for this to start the game.
You're basically you're the guy that when nothing is left
in the middle of the game, you're gonna go in
there and hand the ball off fifteen straight time.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
Would you rather watch Tyler Warren play wildcat or Philip
Rivers play quarterback?
Speaker 7 (11:14):
Can?
Speaker 6 (11:14):
I Can I get back to you after the first
two series on Sunday.
Speaker 8 (11:18):
I will say I'm more intrigued about this game than
I would be if you know.
Speaker 2 (11:22):
Leonard entertaining as hell. I mean, let me be clear, TV,
it is entertaining. I mean the good thing. It's in
the four o'clock window. It deserves some more eyes on it.
Speaker 8 (11:30):
But I said, the NFL needs a break protocol and
flex it to Sunday night, because not only is it
more nationally appealing now, but Uncle Phil can get a
nap in before game time.
Speaker 2 (11:39):
There were so many four o'clock training table jokes yesterday
on Twitter. I mean there were some really really good
old folks home jokes. So yes, it's entertaining as hell.
It is appointment television. If nothing else, it is must watch.
But boy, it could turn sad real quick.
Speaker 6 (11:57):
Uh, we'll go down that rabbit hole coming up in
just a few minutes here today. We will talk to
Jack Doyle a little bit later on today. I'm looking
forward to see his perspective on all of these things
that are taking place. And I mean a week ago,
can you imagine we'd be having this discussion. Kevin Bowen,
No Philip Rivers.
Speaker 2 (12:15):
No Saturday night.
Speaker 6 (12:17):
When you went to bed, you would have never thought
about Philip Rivers again until it was time for the
Hall of Fame.
Speaker 2 (12:21):
But on Monday, when Eddie Yarris and I decided to
record that podcast, that the old thought of calling uncle
Phil did cross my mind.
Speaker 4 (12:30):
That was one of your more clairvoyant moments.
Speaker 2 (12:32):
I thought to myself, you know what stranger things have happened.
Speaker 4 (12:37):
This is Indiana.
Speaker 2 (12:38):
That's unbundlydure. How about Lamar Wilkerson.
Speaker 7 (12:40):
Last night, we'll talk about him.
Speaker 2 (12:42):
Come on, you hit another three from Martinsville he did.
Speaker 6 (12:44):
And he'd probably put one in from U. He might've
been put one in from from Fisher's last night, the
way he was going. We'll talk about all that coming up.
Speaker 7 (12:52):
Nexuse.
Speaker 6 (12:52):
It's ninety three five and one oh seven five one
of my favorite all time Indianapolis Colts tight end Jack
Doyle getting a touchdown. But the two point conversion from
Philip Rivers that was was that the last time that
Philip Rivers threw a touchdown for the Indianapolis Colts mark Ers.
That's just the one we found. I know I might
be asking for too much there, but either way, those
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guys hooked up a few times for touchdowns, and Kevin
did a nice job lining this up, finding Jack Doyle,
who's joining us now on the Payless Liquors Hotline this morning.
Does that bring any memories back for you? You ready to
come back and play and maybe back up Tyler Warren?
We ready to go?
Speaker 7 (13:28):
Yeah? I don't know about all that, but that definitely
brings back some good memories. And you know it also
brings back man, I wish we would have won that
freaking playoff game in Buffalo. It is what it makes
me think but but no, that was fun and obviously
getting that year with Philip was it was it was
a was a blast.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
Jack that that two point conversion was a hell of
a catch.
Speaker 7 (13:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:49):
I just went back and watched it.
Speaker 7 (13:51):
Yeah, No, that was a that was a Philip play,
you know, and it was a you know, we were
in I think we were in twelve personnel. I think
it was me and Trey out there, and Phil knew
how to get you know, the sub guy went unguarded
Trey and then you know he kind of got doubled
in the middle, so we knew I'd be opening the
back and again that was that's a credit to what
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Philip could draw up man and he kind of saw
that on film and we knew that was a two
point play going into the game.
Speaker 2 (14:17):
Well, as Jeff said, we appreciate the time here. Jack
Doyle with us on the Payloff Stickers Hotline. We traded
a few texts yesterday. Your response football is life for
mister Rivers. Could you touch on the football obsession during
COVID year that you got to witness with Philip Rivers.
Speaker 7 (14:33):
Yeah, you know, that was a shout out to the
Ted Lasso fans and Denny rohaustin football his life. That's
what I think about when I think of Philip. You know,
you know, the thing that comes to mind with Philip
is just he's such a unique character. And I say
that in the best way possible. And this guy is
just a football junkie and it's football the time, and
you know, he was such a great teammate in his mind.
(14:55):
You know, that's what I couldn't get over, just how
he just would get us in the right play over
and over and that's run and pass and you know,
you could we would be sitting in a meeting and
you know, say we're preparing for the Steelers or something,
and they're you know, heavy sass pressure, and Philip would
be like, oh yeah, you know talking to Nick Siriana
nick Gianni, who was offen square of time. Oh I remember
(15:17):
we had this with the Chargers in fourteen. I think
it was like, you know, our second drive of the
third quarter, can you go look up that play and
show it to the guys, And it'd be like right
on point. He knew exactly what play it was, what
the pressure was, and how they kind of attacked it,
and it's just a It just shows how his brain
kind of works and how he's wired.
Speaker 4 (15:37):
Jack, thanks again for joining the show. James Boyd. Here,
I'm gonna ask the hard hitting questions on this show.
So with Philip Rivers and him knowing notoriously not to curse,
is he the best trash talker who doesn't say any
bad words.
Speaker 7 (15:52):
Yes, he's the best trash talker period that I ever
played with. Okay, I mean he does not stop, and
it's all in fun and he's just the ultimate competitor
and he gets under guy's skin which is hilarious. And
he's just such a great teammate. You know. That's you know,
not knowing anything about him, and he you know, he
(16:13):
when he showed up in twenty twenty, and you know,
I'm you know, I'm thinking that my memory of Philip
Rivers is like, man, I didn't like this guy. You know,
I was a Colts fan growing up, and you know,
he knocked the Colts out of the playoffs there and
in the two thousands or whatever, I can't remember the years,
but you know, and he was always talking trash to
the fans. I'm like, man, I don't like this guy
that he came in and he just carries himself in
(16:34):
a way that like all he wanted to do was
be a good teammate, get to know his get to
know the other players, and just be one of the guys.
And I just have so much respect for him.
Speaker 4 (16:43):
I need Philip Rivers micd up immediately from the time
he lands in Indianapolis to get ready for practice today.
But one more and more serious note, when you look
at his career, the man has accomplished darn near everything
in the NFL, say for the Super Bowl win, but
counting stuf, longevity, respect from peers, all of that. So
when you factor in perhaps the respect that he still
(17:06):
has in that locker room, how much do you think
that helps? Because you know, unlike someone who normally will
be stepping into these disposition, he still knows I would say,
what ten starters for the Colts right now, or at
least about seven or eight. So do you think that'll
help just him ease back into things when it comes
to trying to restart his NFL.
Speaker 7 (17:25):
Career, Yeah, for sure. I mean, I mean, the Colts
are reeling a little bit over this past month, and
I wish I was in the Wednesday offensive meeting that's
coming up, you know, probably here in the next hour
or so. And and just the energy that Philip's going
to bring to that room is something that's unmatched. And
I can imagine being up there and you know, who
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knows what's going to happen, but him going through you know,
the you know, the his cadence and and how his
kind of tone is with his cadence and and all
kinds of different things. He just he's going to bring
an energy to that group and hopefully kind of wake
us up over there on what fifty sixth Street?
Speaker 6 (18:01):
What do you think this offense with him under center,
coming out of a five year retirement, what's it going
to look like? Realistically? Tell us what those first two
series are going to be.
Speaker 7 (18:13):
Well, he'll have no like the plays will be the same.
He'll have no problem, you know, knowing the play calls.
He can show up there and and call any play
that they're running right now. You know, maybe the checks
and things like that, you know, they'll have to kind of,
you know, figure out because maybe Daniel had things a
certain way or you know, stuff from his past that
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they've kind of emulated in their offense. But he'll he'll
know what he's doing. He'll and he'll be able to
communicate with the guys. You know, if I had to guess,
I could see them going some sort of up tempo
and just kind of trying to keep it simple and
you know, him getting you in the right play and
maybe that takes the crowd out of it a little
bit and he's able to communicate and just getting guys
(18:58):
up to the line and is figuring out the you know,
the best play for the Colts to be in.
Speaker 6 (19:02):
Are the Seahawks just gonna throw the kitchen sink at
him from a blitz pack?
Speaker 7 (19:05):
In his perspective, yes, I mean that's what I would do.
And you know, they're gonna have to prove, you know,
and the Colts kind of got to prove that anyways
they get they got to gash somebody with with with
all the pressure they're seeing, you know, in the run
or pass game, it doesn't really matter. But the thing
about Phil is like, like like I was mentioning earlier,
he's seeing every blitz and you know, Phil, there was
(19:28):
times when he'd call out the defensive guy for saying,
you know, you know, telling the linebacker he's supposed to
be bossed over a little more because they're about to
bring this SaaS pressure or whatever it is, like, Hey,
you're miss aligned. Your coach is gonna yell at you
like you're supposed to be. He just he just is.
He's so unique. The way his brain works is just awesome.
I mean, lay in that twenty year I feel like
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a lot of my catches were on checks that he
made at the line for just from seeing, you know,
different things. We'd be in a run call and he
sees a pressure coming and he'd get us in a
in a quick pass or something like that to to
kind of take advantage of it. So they're just again,
his brain is just so unique in the way it's wired.
And if if anybody can do this, I mean, it's
it's freaking Philip Rivers.
Speaker 2 (20:10):
That's Jack Doyle Jack Oil podcast over in the Colts
Audio Network has been a great listen all year long
with Jack and Matt Taylor and Jack's with us here
on the Payloss Slickers hotline. Jack, I don't remember. I
think it's been a trend a little bit more here
in recent years league wide, the Colts have definitely started it.
Did did Frank do walk through Wednesdays late in seasons
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very often with you guys.
Speaker 7 (20:34):
You know, I thinking back, we were doing walkthrough I
feel like we were doing them on Thursdays. I don't
know if that's right. I might be completely wrong.
Speaker 2 (20:44):
Practice walk through Thursday.
Speaker 7 (20:47):
Walk through, Yeah, and giving guys a day in the
middle of it was kind of our schedule. But yeah,
I think I think especially when they added the extra game,
I think that's probably when it became more prevalent around
the lead.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
Yeah, and I bring that up. The Colts have done
the walk through Wednesday last two weeks. Since the signing
of Philip Rivers yesterday, they now have changed their practice schedule.
They'll go all three days starting today, Thursday and Friday.
Last one from me, and it's just more of a
reminiscing story the Josh Freeman Ryan Linley week for you guys.
This is I would say this is probably the most
(21:21):
dire in season weekly quarterback situation I can recall for
the Colts since that week. I forget which season, it was,
fifteen sixteen, something like that. What do you remember about
that week in which you guys literally had to get
two quarterbacks ready to play?
Speaker 7 (21:39):
Yeah, I think it was the last game of twenty
fifteen and yeah, we went in with I remember Clyde
going up there and kind of going through the game
plan with the quarterbacks, and Josh Freeman did all the
you know, bass stuff right, and he was running the offense.
And then Ryan Linley came in on two minute drill
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and that's how they kind of prepared them both, and
they both were successful. I think Ryan Linley. I don't
know if we went down and got a touchdown, but
there was a two minute drill in that game where
I know we went down and got points. So yeah,
it worked out well. But you know, the thing that
I remember most is, you know, it was late in
the year and you know, obviously we had you know,
(22:20):
we had lost Andrew and then I think we had
lost and then Matt got hurt down in Miami the
game before, and you know, you kind of walk in
there with you know, your head's kind of hanging low,
and then you kind of walking back up by this
you know, new point and and and everyone's kind of
rejuvenized and and and you go out there and just
play football and see what happened. So hopefully, you know,
(22:42):
Philip can have that kind of effect on the on
the locker room coming in today.
Speaker 6 (22:46):
Last thing I got to know, Jacket, honestly, after you
heard about this last night, you and any of your
former teammates have any kind of a text chain going
on about can you believe this? Or anything like that.
Speaker 7 (22:57):
Yeah, you know, I was texted with Moe ali Cox
yesterday and I was just like, Mo, you could write
a book on your story as a Colts player. I mean,
all the stuff that's kind of you know, you know
going on with you know, obviously Andrew's retirement, and you know,
Jeff's Saturday coming in to coach, and then now this.
I mean, he's just he's been through it in his career.
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But man, it's gonna be a heck again. I have
no reason to doubt Philip Rivers. I know there's people saying,
you know, some people are laughing at this, calling it crazy,
all that fun stuff. But Philip's got to prove to
me that he can't do it, because you know, I
won't doubt that man for one second.
Speaker 6 (23:38):
Good stuff, Jack, Thanks for joining us. We appreciate that
you're teaching high school right now.
Speaker 7 (23:43):
Right middle school, middle school. I'm off today though, just
Monday Fridays sounds good.
Speaker 2 (23:49):
Enjoy it.
Speaker 6 (23:50):
We'll talk to you soon.
Speaker 2 (23:51):
Thanks Jack, Thanks thanks job.
Speaker 6 (23:53):
As always by the one and only, Mark dyked in
here as we get ready for our number three of
the Fan Morning Show with KBJB, Jeff Fenocourse, Mark niked
in that whole thing and the thing that jumps out
of me, Kevin Bones Tony Kornheiser saying, this feels a
little desperate to me. Yeah, how else would you describe it?
Speaker 2 (24:11):
Desperate, entertaining, frightening, genius. Oh, I got a lot of choices.
Speaker 6 (24:17):
Yeah, let's find out what our next guest thinks of
this whole thing. He covers the Colts as we know,
for the ESPN, and he's been a good friend of
our station for many, many, many years, and he's been
all over this story is it's been unfolding as the
rest of us have been watching. Stephen Holder joins us
now on the Payless Liquors Hotline. If you had to
choose one word to describe this, what would your word be?
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Stephen Holder.
Speaker 5 (24:41):
Out, Because when you're forty four, and I can relate
because I'm a few years older, everything hurts, Okay, my
neck hurts when I got up this morning. My shoulder
hurts a little bit because I've left a little crooked.
The back is okay today, but give it time. I
mean mean, that's life man in your mid forties. Okay,
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I don't know, man, I'm what I am here for this.
Let me just tell you as I look my whole
take on Sports Center yesterday, they asked me what I thought.
I said, well, I'm a storyteller and David y'all just
gave me a great story.
Speaker 7 (25:19):
So let's go. Let's go. I am here for it.
I don't know what is going to come out of this,
but I am on the edge of my seat again.
Speaker 4 (25:27):
We're speaking to Stephen Holder Cole supporter for ESPN and
our resident celebrity in the media room A great seat
on TV.
Speaker 7 (25:34):
Stephen, I should be a lot richer if I was
a celebrity. That just doesn't calculate, But go ahead.
Speaker 4 (25:42):
But speaking of celebrities, Philip Rivers certainly has a track
record and a resume that to put him in the
Hall of Fame. I'llbe it a little bit later if
he actually joins the active roster. So let's start there, Stephen,
how realistic do you think it is for him to
get activated and join this team as their second health quarterback.
Speaker 5 (26:02):
I think it's actually really seriously possible. I mean, you
think about it. You don't make that phone call unless
this is a real possibility. I think, you know, because
if you're Philip Rivers, you're not just going in there
to just you know, maybe sort of kind of if
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we need you, we'll call you. Yeah, I mean, the
possibility had to be real. And I'm not suggesting that
he's definitely playing. I'm not saying that. I do think
there is still some uncertainty about Riley Leonard and whether
he can play. He hasn't been ruled out, that is
for sure, right, but they have to have a lot
of doubts. I mean you and I talked to Shane
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Sdyken on Monday, and the vibe I got for him
from him was that this is a real thing.
Speaker 7 (26:53):
You know.
Speaker 5 (26:53):
He didn't have any answers, and he seemed like almost
admitting like, yeah, we got problems.
Speaker 7 (27:01):
You know.
Speaker 5 (27:01):
You could just kind of read his body language, and
I gotta I gotta tell you. I think if if
Riley can't play, I think they go with Philip. And
this is what we're going to see on Sunday.
Speaker 2 (27:11):
Yeah, when change got real vague about the Brett Rippon answer.
I thought to myself, Oh boy, they're doing something that
is out of the ordinary. Right, that was the old
what are we like?
Speaker 4 (27:20):
Well, you know, give us some more time.
Speaker 2 (27:22):
Yeah, and then sure enough, here we are first time Steven.
I guess I'm going back, and I apologize, but you
know you were obviously on the beat. When Philip Rivers
did play for the Colts in twenty twenty and then
he retires. I've always heard like mixed things on that,
like did he really want to be done? Did the
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Colts tell him they wanted to go in a younger direction?
Remember it was a two year deal originally for Rivers.
Do you remember ever getting any clarity on that?
Speaker 7 (27:53):
So if I.
Speaker 5 (27:54):
Recall, I think they gave him a one year deal
because it was like twenty five millions. But I know
what you're referring to, and I believe it was sort
of an unwritten second year, if you will, right, Like
it was kind of a handshake, like, well, we'll do
it on paper for one year, but the idea is,
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let's give us two years so we can figure out
where we're going. And him and Frank Reich had a
similar relationship to that. Of Shane Steichen and Phillip, so
there was really, you know, a seamless transition there. I
remember the day the news came out that Philip was retiring,
he made that announcement. I had a long talk with
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Frank Reich on that very day, and he was he
was bummed about it a little bit because he hadn't
quite moved on, and I don't think the Colts had either,
but they did tell Philip, we want to consider our options.
And at the time, I think that was the spring
where Matthew Stafford was out there. Obviously Carson Wentz his
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situation wanting to to its apex in well, apex is
definitely the wrong word, but an end I guess in Philadelphia.
So there were a lot of machinations going on in
terms of quarterback, and I think the Colts were looking
at it. I think mostly Chris Ballard was looking at
it from the perspective of, look, this is not a
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long term solution, and I owe it to my team
to try to find one.
Speaker 7 (29:24):
I agree with that, but I.
Speaker 5 (29:26):
Also think in retrospect there really wasn't a great long
term solution outside of Stafford at that moment, and they
were not willing to make that deal, or weren't able to.
Speaker 7 (29:37):
Make that deal.
Speaker 5 (29:37):
So yeah, Rivers in retrospect, looks like if they would have,
he looks like a better option. I'm sort of filibustering here,
but what I would finish by saying is this. I
think had they come to Philip and said we're all
in for twenty twenty one, he would be more likely
to go through with it. They gave him, They gave
him an opportunity to consider his options, and when he
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did that, that's when he decided, you know what, I'm
fine retiring.
Speaker 2 (30:04):
Okay, getting back to present day, we did see the
Colts on the transaction log yesterday. They worked out a
quarterback by the name of Seth Hennigan. I believe it's
how you say. It's undrafted free agent out of Memphis,
spent the off season. If you say so, okay, thank you.
Speaker 7 (30:21):
I was.
Speaker 2 (30:21):
I was waiting for you to correct me on that.
Speaker 7 (30:23):
I have no idea, so you're it's fine with me.
So you never heard of the guy.
Speaker 2 (30:28):
He's a drafted free agent out of Memphis Jacksonville. Spent
the off season with the Jags. I was on the
practice squad for a month. But that's it, Like they
didn't do the big like quarterback tryout necessarily.
Speaker 7 (30:39):
I think.
Speaker 2 (30:39):
I guess there's a report out there that they might
have tried to get Sam Ellinger off Denver's practice squad.
I don't know, you know how much that has been
confirmed or not. Did you hear of any other quarterback
whispering besides just Philip Rivers.
Speaker 3 (30:52):
No.
Speaker 7 (30:53):
In fact, we hadn't even heard about what's the young man's.
Speaker 2 (30:56):
Name, Seth, what's called Seth?
Speaker 5 (30:58):
You know, neighbor hadn't heard about Seth. Good old Seths,
Good luck to you, Seth. We actually were told initially
the Philip Rivers workout was just that Philip Rivers, and
so I think that speaks to what was said privately.
It was demonstrated by their actions, and that was they
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think he's a better option than what's out there, even
better than Seth apparently, And I think, listen, I don't
know if that's going to prove to be true, but
I also understand how they come to that conclusion.
Speaker 7 (31:36):
It's bad.
Speaker 5 (31:36):
Right we are in the second week of December, all right,
there are no quarterbacks to be had at this time
of the year.
Speaker 7 (31:43):
They're just aren't you.
Speaker 5 (31:45):
Can recall I think it was I don't know, maybe
late twenty ten's do you remember the year the Colts
had I think in week seventeen had no quarterback. They
had some injuries, and they signed two guys off the street,
one being Josh Freeman who had been out of the
league for at least a couple of years. And I
can't even remember who the second one was.
Speaker 2 (32:07):
I mean Ryan Lindley.
Speaker 7 (32:08):
We actually Ryan Lindley.
Speaker 2 (32:09):
We had Jack Doyle on about an hour ago. Thanks
for being flexible, Steven and Jack went over that week
because I this is the only other time Steven I
can recall the Colts bean in this die of a
quarterback situation in Agave and week since then, right.
Speaker 5 (32:24):
And so I think that is a precedent for sure,
and it speaks to the level of desperation you're in
at that point. I mean, Ryan Linley was selling real
estate man and they pulled him all I think he
was in Arizona, maybe like living out in Arizona, and
they were like, hey, you want to play football this week?
Speaker 7 (32:41):
And he was like sure.
Speaker 5 (32:43):
And I think Josh Freeman was playing in some semi
pro league that I literally had never heard of and
I was like, this has got to be the most
ridiculous thing I've ever seen. And they actually split those
two guys in I think one played red zone and
the other guy played the rest of the snaps. I mean,
this is the most ridiculed thing, but it was a
ridiculous situation. That's where they're at right now. That's how
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crazy this is that that's like the only point of
reference I can even think of. So maybe Philip Rivers
is their best option.
Speaker 6 (33:13):
Taker to stephenholderespn dot com, he covers the cults and
there's a lot to talk about. We've talked about health,
We've talked about what's going to happen to quarterback here.
I'm still curious how's this defense going to hold up
against the Seattle offense that all of a sudden with
Sam Darnold and and some of the receivers they have
and certainly a capable running game. Are you worried about
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how how many points they allow.
Speaker 7 (33:37):
In this game?
Speaker 5 (33:38):
Uh? Yeah, they're missing probably their three best players on defense,
So yes, I think when you unless there's some miracle
and the Forrest Buckner gets back this week, I don't
know that it's going to necessarily transform things, but it
would help Mooney Ward being in concussion protocol. I'm sure
you know we've kind of covered that this week. That
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is very concerning. This is his third time this year,
so that speaks for itself. You're not going to see
that guy this week, if ever, right Sauce Gardner, I
don't get the sense that he's in play this week.
Speaker 7 (34:14):
And then, as I.
Speaker 5 (34:15):
Mentioned already, the Forrest Buckner's still trying to get back, eligible.
Speaker 7 (34:18):
To return this week, but.
Speaker 5 (34:21):
It sounds like next week's more realistic from what I understand.
So that against that offense and the way it's been
rolling and JSN at receiver and the way that offense
has been moving, I just don't know.
Speaker 7 (34:36):
It has the potential to be ugly.
Speaker 5 (34:37):
There's no question about it. And the truth is, Look,
they haven't done a good enough job in the past
Rush and Luanna Roumo admitted that yesterday. They have covered decently,
but I think ultimately the personnel losses are catching up
to him.
Speaker 7 (34:53):
That's what it is.
Speaker 5 (34:54):
This defense was designed to be a defense that was
solid at all three levels with the personnel that they
had put in place, and they just they don't have
that personnel right now, and you need to be at
your best in a game like this, and they are not.
Speaker 4 (35:08):
Stephen Holder.
Speaker 2 (35:09):
One more from me.
Speaker 4 (35:10):
So my colleade Dona Russini, who I love and respect,
she put out there her source that Philip Rivers is
in better shape than he was when he played. So
what are your thoughts on him being in quote unquote
top tier form physically.
Speaker 5 (35:29):
They've probably been doing a little CrossFit, you know exactly.
I've heard good things about it. I don't know about that.
Speaker 7 (35:41):
I will say this, Look, I don't.
Speaker 5 (35:42):
Agree with that because I don't think that's seemingly possible.
But listen, I've had sources tell me things that were
ridiculous too, and I wrote them right. I didn't believe it,
but I'm like, that's what the guy said, right.
Speaker 7 (35:53):
Fine. I will say this one of the things that
at least.
Speaker 5 (36:00):
Gives some some I guess context to the idea that
this could potentially work. Potentially, Philip Rivers couldn't move when
he was here. Okay, he not only was emobile, he
was emobile and I think with a stress factor in
his foot. So what are we talking about. We're talking
about a guy who never left the pocket, like ever,
he's he is the same guy now in that respect,
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so we'll see.
Speaker 7 (36:24):
I mean, it's it's not exactly the same.
Speaker 5 (36:26):
You obviously have to be able to navigate the pocket,
even if you're not running and necessarily away from the defense,
you still need to be able to slide, move, navigate
and and those are the things that I think are
still a big question mark, you know, given how long
he's been out of the game.
Speaker 7 (36:43):
But we will see.
Speaker 5 (36:44):
He was not though, the most fleetful footed guy to
begin with, so you know, we'll see how much he's
fallen off.
Speaker 2 (36:51):
Steven last one for me and again appreciate the time
and being flexible here with us on this Wednesday morning.
We could be looking at Philip Rivers starting the final
four weeks of the season. We could be looking at
Riley Leonard, you know, starting at some point again or
I guess so would be his first start, but starting
as well. So you know, given that context, how much
do you think the final four weeks of the season,
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with the Cults likely needing two three wins to give
in the postseason, how much do you think it matters
for the future of Chris Boward and or shaneesteiken.
Speaker 7 (37:24):
Man this is what I believe.
Speaker 5 (37:27):
I think if you are Curly Orsa and her sisters,
Curly Orse Gordon and her sisters, I think you have
a good sense of what your intentions are now. I
don't think you can let these last four games truly
change your position.
Speaker 7 (37:45):
And I don't know what's the.
Speaker 5 (37:46):
Right move, right, but I think you have to go
with wherever you're at now, because if you're swayed by this,
you're not getting an accurate depiction of anything.
Speaker 7 (37:56):
What are we even looking at? You know what I mean? Like,
what is this?
Speaker 5 (38:00):
This is a train wreck. The building's on fire, you
know what I'm saying, So like we can't make any
judgments on that. I don't think as much as I'm
not defending Chris Ballad or saying psyching like get him
out of the tailspin, right, But at the same time,
you know what are we talking about? This is not
This is not a true depiction of anything, and I
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don't think it really tells you anything about your team.
So I would say the right move, whatever it is,
is to not put a lot of weight into what
happens down the stretch here, because it's kind.
Speaker 7 (38:32):
Of like not real. I mean, Philip Rivers is playing quarterback.
That's all we need to say.
Speaker 6 (38:37):
It's kind of not real. I'm going to put that
up on a wall somewhere.
Speaker 5 (38:41):
That was like a bumper sticker, right. I think about
that every day. That's your logan for life. Like everything
you see happening in the world. Yeah, this isn't real.
Speaker 6 (38:50):
Well it's going to be real on Sunday afternoons. Steven,
thanks for stopping by again. Thanks for being flexible today.
We'll talk to you soon, all right, see you guys.
Speaker 3 (38:58):
It's really amazing because I've covered this league for twenty
years now and Indiana it's the ultimate Cinderella story. Last
year was the completely glass slipper, the pumpkins and everything
for Indiana to do what it did. But this year
you look at Indiana and the way it competed against
Ohio State, and if you remove the forks, the IU
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off the helmet and put a running w from Wisconsin
or somebody else, you would have never have guessed that
that's the team out there because they were so good
and they were able to handle Ohio State in the trenches.
They of course had the best quarterback and best player
in college football on their team and they did it
without maybe their best receiver, Omar Cooper. I mean, I'm
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blown away to see what Kirk Signetty has been able
to do with Indiana, because it's just this.
Speaker 2 (39:49):
Was not a team.
Speaker 3 (39:50):
They've had stretches, slashes here and there in Swan Randall
ll James Harvey Era even to love each other a
few years ago with Tom Allen, and like this, they
are legitimately the best team in the country right now.
Speaker 4 (40:04):
Scott, I know you were boots on the ground here
Indianapolis for the Big Ten Championship and for those who
wanted to be in there indoor and obviously would have
loved to be a part of that scene. Can you
just describe what it was like to see that sort
of reaction and I know you interviewed like a fan
who came with his you know, daughter, and there were tears.
So just set the scene for us for one of
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the more ridiculous, crazy great heights in Collegetable history.
Speaker 3 (40:32):
You know, it was an amazing atmosphere because as we know,
I mean.
Speaker 6 (40:36):
Hey, Scott, can we call you right back? We're having
a really hard time understanding on this on this phone,
Like we call you right back? Yeah, I think it
just died altogether.
Speaker 7 (40:45):
So that solved that problem. We're trying to get it
back back.
Speaker 2 (40:47):
But yeah, he's sounded like Ohio State's offense trying to
move against Brian Haynes a company.
Speaker 4 (40:51):
Honestly, good job, big third and one stop and actually
I think they had two of them.
Speaker 2 (40:57):
Who killed one third and one they threw the love
or out love Jeremiah, I'm thinking of jem Jeremiah Smith
and the end zone. Great coverage there and then saying
that was a weird QB sneak like I couldn't tell
I fee like slipped or what. But Indian obviously did
a great job there, and then of course you had
to kick on the last one.
Speaker 6 (41:14):
All Right, we've got him back now, Scott. And then
James was asking you about that that great story that
you had written.
Speaker 4 (41:18):
Yeah, just the same there in the Big Ten Championship
at Lucas Osadam, can you describe what it was like?
Speaker 7 (41:25):
It was amazing.
Speaker 3 (41:26):
I mean you look at the crowd itself. I mean,
Ohio State's just down the road and they traveled better
than any other fan base in America. But to see
the way both sides just kind of exploded through each
and every play seemingly was incredible. But one thing that
really stood out to me versus even the other Big
Ten Championships or bowl games that covered, was the Indiana
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fans did want to leave. I mean, half hour forty
five minutes after the game, I'm still out on the field,
I'm talking to fans, and there's still thousands of fans staying,
like wanting to soak up every ounce of every moment
that you saw of this incredible event. And the players
were so ecstatic they all wore these Big Ten medals
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around their neck. I remember Tyreek Tucker when he walked
into his the interviews. The first thing he did was
he pulled over Indiana Big Ten Championship t shirt over
his pads, just because he wanted to just show he
was so proud of himself. But there were tears. There
was just so much joy and energy. And I don't
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know what that means for Indiana going forward. They've got
an incredible story to try to finish here. But what
it transpired in Indianapolis was truly a magical night. And
I don't think anybody who was there or witnessed it
will ever forget it.
Speaker 2 (42:47):
And that's Scott document from the Athletic great scene setting
from Saturday night in certainly what is a night that
many people in the state will never ever forget. Scott,
do you have a Heisman vote?
Speaker 3 (42:59):
I do, yeah, and I turned it in after that
game that I can't I can't officially reveal it until
Saturday night, but I can tell you that I hedged
my vote on depending who the winning quarterback was, and
I'll just kind of leave it at that.
Speaker 5 (43:14):
I go.
Speaker 6 (43:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (43:15):
We debated a little bit earlier in the show. You
guys had up on the Athletic via that Heisman straw poll,
and I believe it was twenty five votes and fourteen
of them went to Fernado Mendoza, with I think it
was eleven or maybe ten going to Pavia and one
going to Jeremiah Love. Were you surprised to see it
that close? Like Diego Pavia, you know what, just a
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couple of votes away from you know, winning your guys
version of the much much taper down nine hundred and
thirty votes of the Heisman.
Speaker 7 (43:46):
A little bit.
Speaker 3 (43:47):
But I guess what I look at is, I mean,
we're all we all live in different regions of the
country and cover different people, and and I think, you know,
we have a lot of people who also work and
live in the South. And Diego Pavia has had an
incredible on an incredible season, and himself, I mean, coming
from New Mexico, and uh, you know, he's you know,
he's combined for more than four thousand yards passing and running,
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and and you know, Vanderbilt, you know, kind of in
the shadow of maybe Indiana. I mean, it's had an
amazing year, ten wins for the first time in school history,
six wins in the SEC. It's never done that before.
And and he's just he's kind of a different, different guy,
let's put it that way. And I think he calvinized
a lot of people in the South. But I'll say this,
I mean I've seen and covered Indiana three times this year,
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and one was the blowout against Illinois, which he, Foranana
Mendoza could not have could not have missed. I mean,
he was he was throwing bebes out there.
Speaker 4 (44:41):
Oh tell me, brother, I'm in Illinois alone. Fifty three
point loss.
Speaker 7 (44:45):
It ain't hurt me. It was.
Speaker 3 (44:47):
It was so surprising because, uh, I mean, basically, my
whole next week was going to be the pay it
was going to be embedded with the winner. It was
going to be either staying in Bloomington area or I
was going to go to Champagne and and so to
see Illinois get blasted like that was really surprising. And
then the next week I covered Indiana play in Iowa
and they faced a lot of adversity that day. I mean,
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Iowa is a really good team for being eight and
four and punched them in the face, and Mendozo was struggling.
I mean, he had a lot of blitzing that went
right in his face, and yet he hit a forty
nine yard touchdown pass to win the game inside the
final two minutes. And then of course the other day
against you know, the bully of the Big Ten, you know,
the flagship program, and to not only lead him on
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the game winning drive in the third quarter ultimately, but
then that big pass to Charlie Becker that that's kind
of feeled the game late. I mean, it's just it
was just a remarkable run for Fernando Mendoza. I mean,
you know, I think Curtis Rock was a really good
quarterback for IU last year, did a lot of really
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good things. Plus he was injured, so I don't want
to take anything away from him, but what Fernando Mendoza does.
He tips the field. He's got a huge arm, he
can hit every pass, and he's just he's a different personality.
I mean, you know, he and some of his teammates
will kind of call him a nerd, and it's kind
of true. But he's really earnest and I think he's
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absolutely the leader that Indiana needs and could take him
to it all the way to the final Monday Night.
Speaker 6 (46:15):
Scott Docerman, the Athletic joining us here on the Fan
Morning Show. I want to go back to something you
kind of mentioned very early here, kind of the look
and feel of this team, Like you've covered college football
for a long long time, and when I watch Indiana play,
they are physical, they are fast, They look to me
on the eye test like a top five college football team.
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And you see Ohio State doing You talked about the
third and ones, but Ohio State's reverting to gadget plays
to try to get something going at one point in time.
How surprised have you been to see Indiana literally just
line up nose to nose with everybody and go, Okay,
we're going to be bigger and tougher than you are.
Speaker 3 (46:55):
It's a shock and it's really a helpful product of
the NIL system that you're able to acquire those players
and put along the line of scrimmage and be able
to go toe to toe with Ohio State, Oregon, Iowa,
Michigan last year and teams like that and be able
to have that kind of success, and it speaks to
the fundamentals that they're in. But on the other day,
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you know, I mean, nine tackles for loss against the
Ohio State held in the fifty eight yards rushing that line,
the front wall was very physical at the point of attack.
They were able to stonewall Ohio State's running game, which
was really good. And of course that they're great on
every level of defense. And then you know, conversely on
the line of scrimmage on the offensive side, I mean,
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you know, Carter Smith's maybe the best offensive lineman in
the country. They were one of the three finalists for
the Joe More Award, is the best offensive line in
the country. And that's something that couldn't have been done
without NIL and the transfer portal. I mean, if like
Kevin Wilson became coach to you ten is years ago,
I mean, he was able to transform the offense really
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quickly and it was really exciting. But you just couldn't
line up along the line of scrimmage because you have
to have a developmental type program that can build those
players unless you can acquire them through the transfer portal.
And then what's they were there and in place, and
Kurt Signetti and Brian Haynes, obviously on the defensive side,
you know they're able to put it all together and
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be so fundamentally sound and physical. I mean, that's just rare,
and it just shows you how inc incredible of a
coaching job they've done, because you can't do that without
being so technically proficient that in the way the Indiana is.
Speaker 6 (48:38):
Thanks for stopping by today. We really appreciate your viewpoint,
and keep up the good work over at the Athletic
and we'll talk to you again soon.
Speaker 3 (48:45):
All right, Thanks for having me, appreciate you
You're listening to the best of the Fan morning show.
On ninety three five and one oh seven five the Fan,
they seized a fan morning show with KB jab and Jeff.
From multiple sources, forty four year old Philip Rivers is
signing to the quarterback needy Indianapolis Colts.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
Hey, hey, I've seen this one.
Speaker 1 (00:24):
I've seen this one.
Speaker 3 (00:25):
It's a classic for me.
Speaker 1 (00:26):
You've seen this. It's brand new, you know. I saw
it on the week rerun to rerun.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
The forty four year old Grandfather. I was definitely a
little surprise. I mean, but if there is one guy
to call who can do something like this, it's definitely.
Speaker 1 (00:43):
Him to be leading the Colts into the playoffs to
a super Bowl.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
You can do it.
Speaker 4 (00:50):
Get that old.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
Ass, your's Indian Zone. We got to win this.
Speaker 5 (00:55):
It feels a little desperate to me.
Speaker 3 (00:57):
You're forty four, bro, Get rid of the rock, do
not hold it, don't double pump, and you ain't.
Speaker 5 (01:03):
Fast enough to get out of the pocket.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
Let that thing go.
Speaker 5 (01:05):
Realistically, I mean, who knows what Philip's kp you luck
you know, you know I'm going to say a super Bowl.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
Yeah, that's my real estate. Yes, we're still in this thing,
and we are very much the last Just.
Speaker 1 (01:18):
Now, old man got in time.
Speaker 6 (01:24):
Wow, Michael Pittman is optimistic and bullush on everything, and
welcome into the twilight zone, in which Indiana football's the
number one right team in the nation. Philip Rivers is
coming back from a five year hiatus to possibly play
for the Indianapolis Colts. We had an Assembly Hall scoring
record last night for Indiana, or dude trying to get
back on track against Minnesota later on tonight. Other than that,
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there's nothing happening in our world. James Boyd, How was
it over at West fifty six yesterday? My friend?
Speaker 4 (01:52):
No trip over there just yet. We'll go over there
for the first time today this week to see Uncle
Phil out on the practice. But Kevin, you noted this immediately.
There was no practice today, and then the reported signing
of Phil Rivers happened, and there was a practice today.
So I'm guessing the ben Gay got busted out. He's
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rubbing it on the shoulder and he's got to get
ready to go.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
Do we call him Grunkle Phil, Grandpa uncle together or
are we sticking with Uncle Phil? Uncle Phil obviously sounds better.
Speaker 6 (02:25):
If he's three and out. He's gramps. If he scores
a touchdown drive, he's Uncle Phil right.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
Ah, yeah, I.
Speaker 4 (02:31):
Would actually agree with this. Uncle scores the grandpa washed.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
This is Philip Rivers life. We don't have time for
Wednesday walkthroughs anymore. We gotta get on the practice field.
So yes, the Colts have changed up their practice schedule
in the aftermath of Philip Rivers' arrival. So they will
go back to early season practice today, practice tomorrow, practice Friday,
among the changes. So, boy, it is he's Noellen Harveson. Yeah,
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that is an understatement. There it is. It's amazing. You know.
You can call it entertaining, call it frightening, call it desperate,
call it genius. But here we are Philip Freakin' Rivers,
and I expect him to start on Sunday. I know
that's the question that a lot of people have asked.
But I don't think Philip River. I don't know. Maybe
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you just need to smoke break from his ten kid household,
But I don't think you hop on a plane and
get all the way up here to hold a Microsoft
surface and scratch the back of Brett Rippon.
Speaker 7 (03:28):
Mark. I'll know this.
Speaker 6 (03:29):
Phil's got three kids crawling all over him, and he
hasn't had a break in six and a half weeks.
And he gets that phone call and before before Shantstiching
and Chris Paller can even finish what they're saying, he's like,
when can you get me on the plane.
Speaker 8 (03:40):
Yes, let's go. I'll do it for free. Yes, I'll
be there.
Speaker 4 (03:44):
Well, I guess the proof of this is at first
the reported tryout was supposed to be Tuesday, and then
it comes out, oh no.
Speaker 2 (03:51):
He was here Monday.
Speaker 4 (03:52):
So to your point, Jeff got rid of the family
pretty quick.
Speaker 8 (03:56):
Are on time.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
Usually, what if I told you on August Philip Rivers
will start more games Thanapolis Colts, this here than Anthony Richardson.
Speaker 8 (04:07):
I would think you smacked your head relatively hard.
Speaker 6 (04:10):
I would think that you would you would be in
concussion protocol at that point in time.
Speaker 4 (04:15):
I would think that you have done another drug deal
in the parking lot like you did for the uh
Rick Carlisle T shirt.
Speaker 7 (04:24):
Again.
Speaker 4 (04:25):
Oh boy, Yeah, I definitely would be questioning things. But
at this point I think I come round to it.
I wrote this yesterday and it actually went live this morning.
I was walking in but I don't necessarily view this
through the same out of the box lens as of
Jeff Saturday hiring. I know he mentioned that. I believe
he went on the Rich eisen So yesterday and he said, oh,
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this is like me walking in there.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
No, it is not.
Speaker 4 (04:49):
Granted you had no coaching experience at the pro college level.
At least Philip Rivers has played in the NFL. He
does know several of the teams almost two decades, several
the teammates actually because they're still playing.
Speaker 6 (05:00):
Yeah, so from.
Speaker 4 (05:01):
That perspective, there's football reasons. I can squint my eyes
and say, Okay, I can see where he's for what
you're trying to do. Where the Jeff Saturday one was
like this will never work. So this might not ever
work either, But at least, again football reasons, there are
some You asked a.
Speaker 6 (05:15):
Question yesterday, Kevin, which I think is really the key question, like,
what what is Shane Stikeen going to get out of
all of these guys that he might be looking for
his potential starting quarterbacks in this particular circumstance where you're
either going to go get a guy off the street
that's not a starting level quarterback anyway, and the guy
that you have that you could elevate. You're not clearly
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all that confident. As somebody wrote on Twitter yesterday, like
I feel offended for at ripping right now, but my
point is you're Shane Steiken. You're sitting there, You're trying
to figure out what in the world are we going
to do. You've been having these weekly conversations about your
offense with a guy who has run your offense in
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the past. And what is Shane Styken? You asked the question, actually,
what's Shane Styke? And looking for somebody who can just
operate his offense right now? Can he stand up to
the physical riggers of the NFL.
Speaker 2 (06:10):
We don't know any of that.
Speaker 6 (06:11):
What's the arm looked like after five years? Don't know,
but cerebrally intellectually at least Shane Styke and knows I
got I can get a guy under center there that
when he gets the ball in his hands, has a
really good idea what that defense wants to do, and
knows exactly where my guys are going to be.
Speaker 2 (06:30):
That's where you're at, right Yeah, the question just changes
once that ball snapped. Obviously, look the colt.
Speaker 9 (06:39):
I'm ok, I'm just saying that that's not the thought process,
the cultureand is one of the more dire situations I've
ever seen it the last time I look at the
quarterback depth chart like I look at it right now.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
And fittingly, we'll have Jack Doyle join us at eight o'clock.
Former teammate of course, of Philip Rivers.
Speaker 4 (06:54):
I believe he was the last guy to catch a
touchdown pass from Rivers.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
In that building game, right playoff game. Yeah, so Jack
Doyle was a part of the Colts back in mark.
You have to double check me on the year. I'm
gonna guess fifteen or sixteen BC. Yes, certainly when they
went combo quarterback in a game, they went Josh Freeman
up until the two minute warning, and then they went
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Ryan Linley for the two minut offense. So literally they
spent a week training one quarterback of you run our
basic offense. Other guy, you run the two minute offense.
This is the only other time I can consider it
as dire, And of course I say that because torn
a chillies for Dana Jones, Anthony Richardson orbital fracture, not
playing Riley Leonard assuming he can't go, that's probably the
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one little dangling news item we have here Wednesday morning
of is Riley Leonard truly out for Sunday again? As
we said quite often yesterday, a knee injury to a
quarterback that needs his legs significantly to like Riley Leonard
playing quarterback and Philip Rivers playing quarterback, are two different
guys in terms of their legs. Philip Rivers played a
playoff game on a torn acl ryle. Leonard's not playing
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a game on a torn acal. Nothing against his toughness,
but that's just not how he is as a quarterback.
So yes, Jeff, to answer your question, I guess they
are going peak cerebral. They are going we are two
football nerds that know this offense better than anything you
could ever imagine. And when Seattle shows us this, we're
gonna sit in this meeting room on a Wednesday night
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and we're gonna say, let's counter to that, and it's
gonna work. Of course, what happens when eleven dudes in
blue jerseys and forty five degrees spitting rain in one
of the most hostile environments in the NFL and the
defense that hasn't allowed two touchdowns has allot eight touchdown
in two weeks, a taxi quarterback that hasn't thrown a
past in eighteen hundred days.
Speaker 4 (08:41):
Yeah, I was looking at this well, Yeah, I was
throwing a pass. Don't sell my boy short. Now he's
been down there in Fair Hope, Alabama, throwing it around
with the high school kids, like it is a Disney movie.
So he's ready for this moment.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
But this will be a Disney movie.
Speaker 4 (08:53):
It could be you know, it'll be a lesson learn
for all involved.
Speaker 2 (08:58):
We might want to go back to the Disney channel
if this doesn't go well exactly, but Bluis reruns sound
pretty good right now.
Speaker 4 (09:05):
But to your point about what he could be up against,
we had to go back and look at this. The
Seattle Seahawks have only allowed nine points in the last
two weeks combined, and they forced eight turnovers. That is
the definition of good luck.
Speaker 6 (09:24):
But I guess, ultimately at the end of the day,
like what are your options?
Speaker 2 (09:30):
So so I did see and James, I don't know
if you saw anywhere I thought I saw Joe a
Ericson mention in his story. They tried to sign Sam
Ellinger off of Denver's practice squad.
Speaker 6 (09:38):
You refuse right.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
So yeah, and you know, if you're Ellinger, let's play
that out. You have a chance to be a starting
quarterback in the NFL. And you say no, I mean
that's that. I mean that's but I also understouite the
statement of like, wow, what you think of the Colts situation? Now,
if you're Allinger, you had your cup of coffee here,
you did start for this franchise. You are being thrown
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into quite the disadvantage, this advantageous. I have no idea
how to even say that. Not a great scenario is
probably the simplest way to put it. And with Denver,
for what it's worth, he is on the team that
might win at all. Now granted he's the third quarterback
and not going to see playing time you would think,
but you know that those are the types of conversations
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we've had. I mean, we read off the practice squad
quarterback list yesterday. It's a it's a dire, dire group.
Speaker 6 (10:26):
So yeah, from what I understand too, the Cults are
not the first team that sam Alinger has said no to.
Oh yeah really yeah, So whatever's going on with him,
people won't sam Elnger. He seems to be happy. I
heard two teams. I'm guessing one of them is the Cults,
so I don't know it's there. But again, you know,
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I see on the text line about every twentieth text
people are like, Tyler Warren's the emergency quarterback. Kevin, please
explain what that means being the emergency quarterback. You're not
going to be the quarterback for this to start the game.
You're basically you're the guy that when nothing is left
in the middle of the game, you're gonna go in
there and hand the ball off fifteen straight time.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
Would you rather watch Tyler Warren play wildcat or Philip
Rivers play quarterback?
Speaker 7 (11:14):
Can?
Speaker 6 (11:14):
I Can I get back to you after the first
two series on Sunday.
Speaker 8 (11:18):
I will say I'm more intrigued about this game than
I would be if you know.
Speaker 2 (11:22):
Leonard entertaining as hell. I mean, let me be clear, TV,
it is entertaining. I mean the good thing. It's in
the four o'clock window. It deserves some more eyes on it.
Speaker 8 (11:30):
But I said, the NFL needs a break protocol and
flex it to Sunday night, because not only is it
more nationally appealing now, but Uncle Phil can get a
nap in before game time.
Speaker 2 (11:39):
There were so many four o'clock training table jokes yesterday
on Twitter. I mean there were some really really good
old folks home jokes. So yes, it's entertaining as hell.
It is appointment television. If nothing else, it is must watch.
But boy, it could turn sad real quick.
Speaker 6 (11:57):
Uh, we'll go down that rabbit hole coming up in
just a few minutes here today. We will talk to
Jack Doyle a little bit later on today. I'm looking
forward to see his perspective on all of these things
that are taking place. And I mean a week ago,
can you imagine we'd be having this discussion. Kevin Bowen,
No Philip Rivers.
Speaker 2 (12:15):
No Saturday night.
Speaker 6 (12:17):
When you went to bed, you would have never thought
about Philip Rivers again until it was time for the
Hall of Fame.
Speaker 2 (12:21):
But on Monday, when Eddie Yarris and I decided to
record that podcast, that the old thought of calling uncle
Phil did cross my mind.
Speaker 4 (12:30):
That was one of your more clairvoyant moments.
Speaker 2 (12:32):
I thought to myself, you know what stranger things have happened.
Speaker 4 (12:37):
This is Indiana.
Speaker 2 (12:38):
That's unbundlydure. How about Lamar Wilkerson.
Speaker 7 (12:40):
Last night, we'll talk about him.
Speaker 2 (12:42):
Come on, you hit another three from Martinsville he did.
Speaker 6 (12:44):
And he'd probably put one in from U. He might've
been put one in from from Fisher's last night, the
way he was going. We'll talk about all that coming up.
Speaker 7 (12:52):
Nexuse.
Speaker 6 (12:52):
It's ninety three five and one oh seven five one
of my favorite all time Indianapolis Colts tight end Jack
Doyle getting a touchdown. But the two point conversion from
Philip Rivers that was was that the last time that
Philip Rivers threw a touchdown for the Indianapolis Colts mark Ers.
That's just the one we found. I know I might
be asking for too much there, but either way, those
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guys hooked up a few times for touchdowns, and Kevin
did a nice job lining this up, finding Jack Doyle,
who's joining us now on the Payless Liquors Hotline this morning.
Does that bring any memories back for you? You ready to
come back and play and maybe back up Tyler Warren?
We ready to go?
Speaker 7 (13:28):
Yeah? I don't know about all that, but that definitely
brings back some good memories. And you know it also
brings back man, I wish we would have won that
freaking playoff game in Buffalo. It is what it makes
me think but but no, that was fun and obviously
getting that year with Philip was it was it was
a was a blast.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
Jack that that two point conversion was a hell of
a catch.
Speaker 7 (13:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:49):
I just went back and watched it.
Speaker 7 (13:51):
Yeah, No, that was a that was a Philip play,
you know, and it was a you know, we were
in I think we were in twelve personnel. I think
it was me and Trey out there, and Phil knew
how to get you know, the sub guy went unguarded
Trey and then you know he kind of got doubled
in the middle, so we knew I'd be opening the
back and again that was that's a credit to what
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Philip could draw up man and he kind of saw
that on film and we knew that was a two
point play going into the game.
Speaker 2 (14:17):
Well, as Jeff said, we appreciate the time here. Jack
Doyle with us on the Payloff Stickers Hotline. We traded
a few texts yesterday. Your response football is life for
mister Rivers. Could you touch on the football obsession during
COVID year that you got to witness with Philip Rivers.
Speaker 7 (14:33):
Yeah, you know, that was a shout out to the
Ted Lasso fans and Denny rohaustin football his life. That's
what I think about when I think of Philip. You know,
you know, the thing that comes to mind with Philip
is just he's such a unique character. And I say
that in the best way possible. And this guy is
just a football junkie and it's football the time, and
you know, he was such a great teammate in his mind.
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You know, that's what I couldn't get over, just how
he just would get us in the right play over
and over and that's run and pass and you know,
you could we would be sitting in a meeting and
you know, say we're preparing for the Steelers or something,
and they're you know, heavy sass pressure, and Philip would
be like, oh yeah, you know talking to Nick Siriana
nick Gianni, who was offen square of time. Oh I remember
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we had this with the Chargers in fourteen. I think
it was like, you know, our second drive of the
third quarter, can you go look up that play and
show it to the guys, And it'd be like right
on point. He knew exactly what play it was, what
the pressure was, and how they kind of attacked it,
and it's just a It just shows how his brain
kind of works and how he's wired.
Speaker 4 (15:37):
Jack, thanks again for joining the show. James Boyd. Here,
I'm gonna ask the hard hitting questions on this show.
So with Philip Rivers and him knowing notoriously not to curse,
is he the best trash talker who doesn't say any
bad words.
Speaker 7 (15:52):
Yes, he's the best trash talker period that I ever
played with. Okay, I mean he does not stop, and
it's all in fun and he's just the ultimate competitor
and he gets under guy's skin which is hilarious. And
he's just such a great teammate. You know. That's you know,
not knowing anything about him, and he you know, he
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when he showed up in twenty twenty, and you know,
I'm you know, I'm thinking that my memory of Philip
Rivers is like, man, I didn't like this guy. You know,
I was a Colts fan growing up, and you know,
he knocked the Colts out of the playoffs there and
in the two thousands or whatever, I can't remember the years,
but you know, and he was always talking trash to
the fans. I'm like, man, I don't like this guy
that he came in and he just carries himself in
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a way that like all he wanted to do was
be a good teammate, get to know his get to
know the other players, and just be one of the guys.
And I just have so much respect for him.
Speaker 4 (16:43):
I need Philip Rivers micd up immediately from the time
he lands in Indianapolis to get ready for practice today.
But one more and more serious note, when you look
at his career, the man has accomplished darn near everything
in the NFL, say for the Super Bowl win, but
counting stuf, longevity, respect from peers, all of that. So
when you factor in perhaps the respect that he still
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has in that locker room, how much do you think
that helps? Because you know, unlike someone who normally will
be stepping into these disposition, he still knows I would say,
what ten starters for the Colts right now, or at
least about seven or eight. So do you think that'll
help just him ease back into things when it comes
to trying to restart his NFL.
Speaker 7 (17:25):
Career, Yeah, for sure. I mean, I mean, the Colts
are reeling a little bit over this past month, and
I wish I was in the Wednesday offensive meeting that's
coming up, you know, probably here in the next hour
or so. And and just the energy that Philip's going
to bring to that room is something that's unmatched. And
I can imagine being up there and you know, who
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knows what's going to happen, but him going through you know,
the you know, the his cadence and and how his
kind of tone is with his cadence and and all
kinds of different things. He just he's going to bring
an energy to that group and hopefully kind of wake
us up over there on what fifty sixth Street?
Speaker 6 (18:01):
What do you think this offense with him under center,
coming out of a five year retirement, what's it going
to look like? Realistically? Tell us what those first two
series are going to be.
Speaker 7 (18:13):
Well, he'll have no like the plays will be the same.
He'll have no problem, you know, knowing the play calls.
He can show up there and and call any play
that they're running right now. You know, maybe the checks
and things like that, you know, they'll have to kind of,
you know, figure out because maybe Daniel had things a
certain way or you know, stuff from his past that
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they've kind of emulated in their offense. But he'll he'll
know what he's doing. He'll and he'll be able to
communicate with the guys. You know, if I had to guess,
I could see them going some sort of up tempo
and just kind of trying to keep it simple and
you know, him getting you in the right play and
maybe that takes the crowd out of it a little
bit and he's able to communicate and just getting guys
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up to the line and is figuring out the you know,
the best play for the Colts to be in.
Speaker 6 (19:02):
Are the Seahawks just gonna throw the kitchen sink at
him from a blitz pack?
Speaker 7 (19:05):
In his perspective, yes, I mean that's what I would do.
And you know, they're gonna have to prove, you know,
and the Colts kind of got to prove that anyways
they get they got to gash somebody with with with
all the pressure they're seeing, you know, in the run
or pass game, it doesn't really matter. But the thing
about Phil is like, like like I was mentioning earlier,
he's seeing every blitz and you know, Phil, there was
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times when he'd call out the defensive guy for saying,
you know, you know, telling the linebacker he's supposed to
be bossed over a little more because they're about to
bring this SaaS pressure or whatever it is, like, Hey,
you're miss aligned. Your coach is gonna yell at you
like you're supposed to be. He just he just is.
He's so unique. The way his brain works is just awesome.
I mean, lay in that twenty year I feel like
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a lot of my catches were on checks that he
made at the line for just from seeing, you know,
different things. We'd be in a run call and he
sees a pressure coming and he'd get us in a
in a quick pass or something like that to to
kind of take advantage of it. So they're just again,
his brain is just so unique in the way it's wired.
And if if anybody can do this, I mean, it's
it's freaking Philip Rivers.
Speaker 2 (20:10):
That's Jack Doyle Jack Oil podcast over in the Colts
Audio Network has been a great listen all year long
with Jack and Matt Taylor and Jack's with us here
on the Payloss Slickers hotline. Jack, I don't remember. I
think it's been a trend a little bit more here
in recent years league wide, the Colts have definitely started it.
Did did Frank do walk through Wednesdays late in seasons
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very often with you guys.
Speaker 7 (20:34):
You know, I thinking back, we were doing walkthrough I
feel like we were doing them on Thursdays. I don't
know if that's right. I might be completely wrong.
Speaker 2 (20:44):
Practice walk through Thursday.
Speaker 7 (20:47):
Walk through, Yeah, and giving guys a day in the
middle of it was kind of our schedule. But yeah,
I think I think especially when they added the extra game,
I think that's probably when it became more prevalent around
the lead.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
Yeah, and I bring that up. The Colts have done
the walk through Wednesday last two weeks. Since the signing
of Philip Rivers yesterday, they now have changed their practice schedule.
They'll go all three days starting today, Thursday and Friday.
Last one from me, and it's just more of a
reminiscing story the Josh Freeman Ryan Linley week for you guys.
This is I would say this is probably the most
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dire in season weekly quarterback situation I can recall for
the Colts since that week. I forget which season, it was,
fifteen sixteen, something like that. What do you remember about
that week in which you guys literally had to get
two quarterbacks ready to play?
Speaker 7 (21:39):
Yeah, I think it was the last game of twenty
fifteen and yeah, we went in with I remember Clyde
going up there and kind of going through the game
plan with the quarterbacks, and Josh Freeman did all the
you know, bass stuff right, and he was running the offense.
And then Ryan Linley came in on two minute drill
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and that's how they kind of prepared them both, and
they both were successful. I think Ryan Linley. I don't
know if we went down and got a touchdown, but
there was a two minute drill in that game where
I know we went down and got points. So yeah,
it worked out well. But you know, the thing that
I remember most is, you know, it was late in
the year and you know, obviously we had you know,
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we had lost Andrew and then I think we had
lost and then Matt got hurt down in Miami the
game before, and you know, you kind of walk in
there with you know, your head's kind of hanging low,
and then you kind of walking back up by this
you know, new point and and and everyone's kind of
rejuvenized and and and you go out there and just
play football and see what happened. So hopefully, you know,
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Philip can have that kind of effect on the on
the locker room coming in today.
Speaker 6 (22:46):
Last thing I got to know, Jacket, honestly, after you
heard about this last night, you and any of your
former teammates have any kind of a text chain going
on about can you believe this? Or anything like that.
Speaker 7 (22:57):
Yeah, you know, I was texted with Moe ali Cox
yesterday and I was just like, Mo, you could write
a book on your story as a Colts player. I mean,
all the stuff that's kind of you know, you know
going on with you know, obviously Andrew's retirement, and you know,
Jeff's Saturday coming in to coach, and then now this.
I mean, he's just he's been through it in his career.
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But man, it's gonna be a heck again. I have
no reason to doubt Philip Rivers. I know there's people saying,
you know, some people are laughing at this, calling it crazy,
all that fun stuff. But Philip's got to prove to
me that he can't do it, because you know, I
won't doubt that man for one second.
Speaker 6 (23:38):
Good stuff, Jack, Thanks for joining us. We appreciate that
you're teaching high school right now.
Speaker 7 (23:43):
Right middle school, middle school. I'm off today though, just
Monday Fridays sounds good.
Speaker 2 (23:49):
Enjoy it.
Speaker 6 (23:50):
We'll talk to you soon.
Speaker 2 (23:51):
Thanks Jack, Thanks thanks job.
Speaker 6 (23:53):
As always by the one and only, Mark dyked in
here as we get ready for our number three of
the Fan Morning Show with KBJB, Jeff Fenocourse, Mark niked
in that whole thing and the thing that jumps out
of me, Kevin Bones Tony Kornheiser saying, this feels a
little desperate to me. Yeah, how else would you describe it?
Speaker 2 (24:11):
Desperate, entertaining, frightening, genius. Oh, I got a lot of choices.
Speaker 6 (24:17):
Yeah, let's find out what our next guest thinks of
this whole thing. He covers the Colts as we know,
for the ESPN, and he's been a good friend of
our station for many, many, many years, and he's been
all over this story is it's been unfolding as the
rest of us have been watching. Stephen Holder joins us
now on the Payless Liquors Hotline. If you had to
choose one word to describe this, what would your word be?
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Stephen Holder.
Speaker 5 (24:41):
Out, Because when you're forty four, and I can relate
because I'm a few years older, everything hurts, Okay, my
neck hurts when I got up this morning. My shoulder
hurts a little bit because I've left a little crooked.
The back is okay today, but give it time. I
mean mean, that's life man in your mid forties. Okay,
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I don't know, man, I'm what I am here for this.
Let me just tell you as I look my whole
take on Sports Center yesterday, they asked me what I thought.
I said, well, I'm a storyteller and David y'all just
gave me a great story.
Speaker 7 (25:19):
So let's go. Let's go. I am here for it.
I don't know what is going to come out of this,
but I am on the edge of my seat again.
Speaker 4 (25:27):
We're speaking to Stephen Holder Cole supporter for ESPN and
our resident celebrity in the media room A great seat
on TV.
Speaker 7 (25:34):
Stephen, I should be a lot richer if I was
a celebrity. That just doesn't calculate, But go ahead.
Speaker 4 (25:42):
But speaking of celebrities, Philip Rivers certainly has a track
record and a resume that to put him in the
Hall of Fame. I'llbe it a little bit later if
he actually joins the active roster. So let's start there, Stephen,
how realistic do you think it is for him to
get activated and join this team as their second health quarterback.
Speaker 5 (26:02):
I think it's actually really seriously possible. I mean, you
think about it. You don't make that phone call unless
this is a real possibility. I think, you know, because
if you're Philip Rivers, you're not just going in there
to just you know, maybe sort of kind of if
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we need you, we'll call you. Yeah, I mean, the
possibility had to be real. And I'm not suggesting that
he's definitely playing. I'm not saying that. I do think
there is still some uncertainty about Riley Leonard and whether
he can play. He hasn't been ruled out, that is
for sure, right, but they have to have a lot
of doubts. I mean you and I talked to Shane
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Sdyken on Monday, and the vibe I got for him
from him was that this is a real thing.
Speaker 7 (26:53):
You know.
Speaker 5 (26:53):
He didn't have any answers, and he seemed like almost
admitting like, yeah, we got problems.
Speaker 7 (27:01):
You know.
Speaker 5 (27:01):
You could just kind of read his body language, and
I gotta I gotta tell you. I think if if
Riley can't play, I think they go with Philip. And
this is what we're going to see on Sunday.
Speaker 2 (27:11):
Yeah, when change got real vague about the Brett Rippon answer.
I thought to myself, Oh boy, they're doing something that
is out of the ordinary. Right, that was the old
what are we like?
Speaker 4 (27:20):
Well, you know, give us some more time.
Speaker 2 (27:22):
Yeah, and then sure enough, here we are first time Steven.
I guess I'm going back, and I apologize, but you
know you were obviously on the beat. When Philip Rivers
did play for the Colts in twenty twenty and then
he retires. I've always heard like mixed things on that,
like did he really want to be done? Did the
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Colts tell him they wanted to go in a younger direction?
Remember it was a two year deal originally for Rivers.
Do you remember ever getting any clarity on that?
Speaker 7 (27:53):
So if I.
Speaker 5 (27:54):
Recall, I think they gave him a one year deal
because it was like twenty five millions. But I know
what you're referring to, and I believe it was sort
of an unwritten second year, if you will, right, Like
it was kind of a handshake, like, well, we'll do
it on paper for one year, but the idea is,
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let's give us two years so we can figure out
where we're going. And him and Frank Reich had a
similar relationship to that. Of Shane Steichen and Phillip, so
there was really, you know, a seamless transition there. I
remember the day the news came out that Philip was retiring,
he made that announcement. I had a long talk with
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Frank Reich on that very day, and he was he
was bummed about it a little bit because he hadn't
quite moved on, and I don't think the Colts had either,
but they did tell Philip, we want to consider our options.
And at the time, I think that was the spring
where Matthew Stafford was out there. Obviously Carson Wentz his
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situation wanting to to its apex in well, apex is
definitely the wrong word, but an end I guess in Philadelphia.
So there were a lot of machinations going on in
terms of quarterback, and I think the Colts were looking
at it. I think mostly Chris Ballard was looking at
it from the perspective of, look, this is not a
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long term solution, and I owe it to my team
to try to find one.
Speaker 7 (29:24):
I agree with that, but I.
Speaker 5 (29:26):
Also think in retrospect there really wasn't a great long
term solution outside of Stafford at that moment, and they
were not willing to make that deal, or weren't able to.
Speaker 7 (29:37):
Make that deal.
Speaker 5 (29:37):
So yeah, Rivers in retrospect, looks like if they would have,
he looks like a better option. I'm sort of filibustering here,
but what I would finish by saying is this. I
think had they come to Philip and said we're all
in for twenty twenty one, he would be more likely
to go through with it. They gave him, They gave
him an opportunity to consider his options, and when he
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did that, that's when he decided, you know what, I'm
fine retiring.
Speaker 2 (30:04):
Okay, getting back to present day, we did see the
Colts on the transaction log yesterday. They worked out a
quarterback by the name of Seth Hennigan. I believe it's
how you say. It's undrafted free agent out of Memphis,
spent the off season. If you say so, okay, thank you.
Speaker 7 (30:21):
I was.
Speaker 2 (30:21):
I was waiting for you to correct me on that.
Speaker 7 (30:23):
I have no idea, so you're it's fine with me.
So you never heard of the guy.
Speaker 2 (30:28):
He's a drafted free agent out of Memphis Jacksonville. Spent
the off season with the Jags. I was on the
practice squad for a month. But that's it, Like they
didn't do the big like quarterback tryout necessarily.
Speaker 7 (30:39):
I think.
Speaker 2 (30:39):
I guess there's a report out there that they might
have tried to get Sam Ellinger off Denver's practice squad.
I don't know, you know how much that has been
confirmed or not. Did you hear of any other quarterback
whispering besides just Philip Rivers.
Speaker 3 (30:52):
No.
Speaker 7 (30:53):
In fact, we hadn't even heard about what's the young man's.
Speaker 2 (30:56):
Name, Seth, what's called Seth?
Speaker 5 (30:58):
You know, neighbor hadn't heard about Seth. Good old Seths,
Good luck to you, Seth. We actually were told initially
the Philip Rivers workout was just that Philip Rivers, and
so I think that speaks to what was said privately.
It was demonstrated by their actions, and that was they
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think he's a better option than what's out there, even
better than Seth apparently, And I think, listen, I don't
know if that's going to prove to be true, but
I also understand how they come to that conclusion.
Speaker 7 (31:36):
It's bad.
Speaker 5 (31:36):
Right we are in the second week of December, all right,
there are no quarterbacks to be had at this time
of the year.
Speaker 7 (31:43):
They're just aren't you.
Speaker 5 (31:45):
Can recall I think it was I don't know, maybe
late twenty ten's do you remember the year the Colts
had I think in week seventeen had no quarterback. They
had some injuries, and they signed two guys off the street,
one being Josh Freeman who had been out of the
league for at least a couple of years. And I
can't even remember who the second one was.
Speaker 2 (32:07):
I mean Ryan Lindley.
Speaker 7 (32:08):
We actually Ryan Lindley.
Speaker 2 (32:09):
We had Jack Doyle on about an hour ago. Thanks
for being flexible, Steven and Jack went over that week
because I this is the only other time Steven I
can recall the Colts bean in this die of a
quarterback situation in Agave and week since then, right.
Speaker 5 (32:24):
And so I think that is a precedent for sure,
and it speaks to the level of desperation you're in
at that point. I mean, Ryan Linley was selling real
estate man and they pulled him all I think he
was in Arizona, maybe like living out in Arizona, and
they were like, hey, you want to play football this week?
Speaker 7 (32:41):
And he was like sure.
Speaker 5 (32:43):
And I think Josh Freeman was playing in some semi
pro league that I literally had never heard of and
I was like, this has got to be the most
ridiculous thing I've ever seen. And they actually split those
two guys in I think one played red zone and
the other guy played the rest of the snaps. I mean,
this is the most ridiculed thing, but it was a
ridiculous situation. That's where they're at right now. That's how
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crazy this is that that's like the only point of
reference I can even think of. So maybe Philip Rivers
is their best option.
Speaker 6 (33:13):
Taker to stephenholderespn dot com, he covers the cults and
there's a lot to talk about. We've talked about health,
We've talked about what's going to happen to quarterback here.
I'm still curious how's this defense going to hold up
against the Seattle offense that all of a sudden with
Sam Darnold and and some of the receivers they have
and certainly a capable running game. Are you worried about
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how how many points they allow.
Speaker 7 (33:37):
In this game?
Speaker 5 (33:38):
Uh? Yeah, they're missing probably their three best players on defense,
So yes, I think when you unless there's some miracle
and the Forrest Buckner gets back this week, I don't
know that it's going to necessarily transform things, but it
would help Mooney Ward being in concussion protocol. I'm sure
you know we've kind of covered that this week. That
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is very concerning. This is his third time this year,
so that speaks for itself. You're not going to see
that guy this week, if ever, right Sauce Gardner, I
don't get the sense that he's in play this week.
Speaker 7 (34:14):
And then, as I.
Speaker 5 (34:15):
Mentioned already, the Forrest Buckner's still trying to get back, eligible.
Speaker 7 (34:18):
To return this week, but.
Speaker 5 (34:21):
It sounds like next week's more realistic from what I understand.
So that against that offense and the way it's been
rolling and JSN at receiver and the way that offense
has been moving, I just don't know.
Speaker 7 (34:36):
It has the potential to be ugly.
Speaker 5 (34:37):
There's no question about it. And the truth is, Look,
they haven't done a good enough job in the past
Rush and Luanna Roumo admitted that yesterday. They have covered decently,
but I think ultimately the personnel losses are catching up
to him.
Speaker 7 (34:53):
That's what it is.
Speaker 5 (34:54):
This defense was designed to be a defense that was
solid at all three levels with the personnel that they
had put in place, and they just they don't have
that personnel right now, and you need to be at
your best in a game like this, and they are not.
Speaker 4 (35:08):
Stephen Holder.
Speaker 2 (35:09):
One more from me.
Speaker 4 (35:10):
So my colleade Dona Russini, who I love and respect,
she put out there her source that Philip Rivers is
in better shape than he was when he played. So
what are your thoughts on him being in quote unquote
top tier form physically.
Speaker 5 (35:29):
They've probably been doing a little CrossFit, you know exactly.
I've heard good things about it. I don't know about that.
Speaker 7 (35:41):
I will say this, Look, I don't.
Speaker 5 (35:42):
Agree with that because I don't think that's seemingly possible.
But listen, I've had sources tell me things that were
ridiculous too, and I wrote them right. I didn't believe it,
but I'm like, that's what the guy said, right.
Speaker 7 (35:53):
Fine. I will say this one of the things that
at least.
Speaker 5 (36:00):
Gives some some I guess context to the idea that
this could potentially work. Potentially, Philip Rivers couldn't move when
he was here. Okay, he not only was emobile, he
was emobile and I think with a stress factor in
his foot. So what are we talking about. We're talking
about a guy who never left the pocket, like ever,
he's he is the same guy now in that respect,
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so we'll see.
Speaker 7 (36:24):
I mean, it's it's not exactly the same.
Speaker 5 (36:26):
You obviously have to be able to navigate the pocket,
even if you're not running and necessarily away from the defense,
you still need to be able to slide, move, navigate
and and those are the things that I think are
still a big question mark, you know, given how long
he's been out of the game.
Speaker 7 (36:43):
But we will see.
Speaker 5 (36:44):
He was not though, the most fleetful footed guy to
begin with, so you know, we'll see how much he's
fallen off.
Speaker 2 (36:51):
Steven last one for me and again appreciate the time
and being flexible here with us on this Wednesday morning.
We could be looking at Philip Rivers starting the final
four weeks of the season. We could be looking at
Riley Leonard, you know, starting at some point again or
I guess so would be his first start, but starting
as well. So you know, given that context, how much
do you think the final four weeks of the season,
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with the Cults likely needing two three wins to give
in the postseason, how much do you think it matters
for the future of Chris Boward and or shaneesteiken.
Speaker 7 (37:24):
Man this is what I believe.
Speaker 5 (37:27):
I think if you are Curly Orsa and her sisters,
Curly Orse Gordon and her sisters, I think you have
a good sense of what your intentions are now. I
don't think you can let these last four games truly
change your position.
Speaker 7 (37:45):
And I don't know what's the.
Speaker 5 (37:46):
Right move, right, but I think you have to go
with wherever you're at now, because if you're swayed by this,
you're not getting an accurate depiction of anything.
Speaker 7 (37:56):
What are we even looking at? You know what I mean? Like,
what is this?
Speaker 5 (38:00):
This is a train wreck. The building's on fire, you
know what I'm saying, So like we can't make any
judgments on that. I don't think as much as I'm
not defending Chris Ballad or saying psyching like get him
out of the tailspin, right, But at the same time,
you know what are we talking about? This is not
This is not a true depiction of anything, and I
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don't think it really tells you anything about your team.
So I would say the right move, whatever it is,
is to not put a lot of weight into what
happens down the stretch here, because it's kind.
Speaker 7 (38:32):
Of like not real. I mean, Philip Rivers is playing quarterback.
That's all we need to say.
Speaker 6 (38:37):
It's kind of not real. I'm going to put that
up on a wall somewhere.
Speaker 5 (38:41):
That was like a bumper sticker, right. I think about
that every day. That's your logan for life. Like everything
you see happening in the world. Yeah, this isn't real.
Speaker 6 (38:50):
Well it's going to be real on Sunday afternoons. Steven,
thanks for stopping by again. Thanks for being flexible today.
We'll talk to you soon, all right, see you guys.
Speaker 3 (38:58):
It's really amazing because I've covered this league for twenty
years now and Indiana it's the ultimate Cinderella story. Last
year was the completely glass slipper, the pumpkins and everything
for Indiana to do what it did. But this year
you look at Indiana and the way it competed against
Ohio State, and if you remove the forks, the IU
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off the helmet and put a running w from Wisconsin
or somebody else, you would have never have guessed that
that's the team out there because they were so good
and they were able to handle Ohio State in the trenches.
They of course had the best quarterback and best player
in college football on their team and they did it
without maybe their best receiver, Omar Cooper. I mean, I'm
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blown away to see what Kirk Signetty has been able
to do with Indiana, because it's just this.
Speaker 2 (39:49):
Was not a team.
Speaker 3 (39:50):
They've had stretches, slashes here and there in Swan Randall
ll James Harvey Era even to love each other a
few years ago with Tom Allen, and like this, they
are legitimately the best team in the country right now.
Speaker 4 (40:04):
Scott, I know you were boots on the ground here
Indianapolis for the Big Ten Championship and for those who
wanted to be in there indoor and obviously would have
loved to be a part of that scene. Can you
just describe what it was like to see that sort
of reaction and I know you interviewed like a fan
who came with his you know, daughter, and there were tears.
So just set the scene for us for one of
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the more ridiculous, crazy great heights in Collegetable history.
Speaker 3 (40:32):
You know, it was an amazing atmosphere because as we know,
I mean.
Speaker 6 (40:36):
Hey, Scott, can we call you right back? We're having
a really hard time understanding on this on this phone,
Like we call you right back? Yeah, I think it
just died altogether.
Speaker 7 (40:45):
So that solved that problem. We're trying to get it
back back.
Speaker 2 (40:47):
But yeah, he's sounded like Ohio State's offense trying to
move against Brian Haynes a company.
Speaker 4 (40:51):
Honestly, good job, big third and one stop and actually
I think they had two of them.
Speaker 2 (40:57):
Who killed one third and one they threw the love
or out love Jeremiah, I'm thinking of jem Jeremiah Smith
and the end zone. Great coverage there and then saying
that was a weird QB sneak like I couldn't tell
I fee like slipped or what. But Indian obviously did
a great job there, and then of course you had
to kick on the last one.
Speaker 6 (41:14):
All Right, we've got him back now, Scott. And then
James was asking you about that that great story that
you had written.
Speaker 4 (41:18):
Yeah, just the same there in the Big Ten Championship
at Lucas Osadam, can you describe what it was like?
Speaker 7 (41:25):
It was amazing.
Speaker 3 (41:26):
I mean you look at the crowd itself. I mean,
Ohio State's just down the road and they traveled better
than any other fan base in America. But to see
the way both sides just kind of exploded through each
and every play seemingly was incredible. But one thing that
really stood out to me versus even the other Big
Ten Championships or bowl games that covered, was the Indiana
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fans did want to leave. I mean, half hour forty
five minutes after the game, I'm still out on the field,
I'm talking to fans, and there's still thousands of fans staying,
like wanting to soak up every ounce of every moment
that you saw of this incredible event. And the players
were so ecstatic they all wore these Big Ten medals
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around their neck. I remember Tyreek Tucker when he walked
into his the interviews. The first thing he did was
he pulled over Indiana Big Ten Championship t shirt over
his pads, just because he wanted to just show he
was so proud of himself. But there were tears. There
was just so much joy and energy. And I don't
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know what that means for Indiana going forward. They've got
an incredible story to try to finish here. But what
it transpired in Indianapolis was truly a magical night. And
I don't think anybody who was there or witnessed it
will ever forget it.
Speaker 2 (42:47):
And that's Scott document from the Athletic great scene setting
from Saturday night in certainly what is a night that
many people in the state will never ever forget. Scott,
do you have a Heisman vote?
Speaker 3 (42:59):
I do, yeah, and I turned it in after that
game that I can't I can't officially reveal it until
Saturday night, but I can tell you that I hedged
my vote on depending who the winning quarterback was, and
I'll just kind of leave it at that.
Speaker 5 (43:14):
I go.
Speaker 6 (43:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (43:15):
We debated a little bit earlier in the show. You
guys had up on the Athletic via that Heisman straw poll,
and I believe it was twenty five votes and fourteen
of them went to Fernado Mendoza, with I think it
was eleven or maybe ten going to Pavia and one
going to Jeremiah Love. Were you surprised to see it
that close? Like Diego Pavia, you know what, just a
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couple of votes away from you know, winning your guys
version of the much much taper down nine hundred and
thirty votes of the Heisman.
Speaker 7 (43:46):
A little bit.
Speaker 3 (43:47):
But I guess what I look at is, I mean,
we're all we all live in different regions of the
country and cover different people, and and I think, you know,
we have a lot of people who also work and
live in the South. And Diego Pavia has had an
incredible on an incredible season, and himself, I mean, coming
from New Mexico, and uh, you know, he's you know,
he's combined for more than four thousand yards passing and running,
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and and you know, Vanderbilt, you know, kind of in
the shadow of maybe Indiana. I mean, it's had an
amazing year, ten wins for the first time in school history,
six wins in the SEC. It's never done that before.
And and he's just he's kind of a different, different guy,
let's put it that way. And I think he calvinized
a lot of people in the South. But I'll say this,
I mean I've seen and covered Indiana three times this year,
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and one was the blowout against Illinois, which he, Foranana
Mendoza could not have could not have missed. I mean,
he was he was throwing bebes out there.
Speaker 4 (44:41):
Oh tell me, brother, I'm in Illinois alone. Fifty three
point loss.
Speaker 7 (44:45):
It ain't hurt me. It was.
Speaker 3 (44:47):
It was so surprising because, uh, I mean, basically, my
whole next week was going to be the pay it
was going to be embedded with the winner. It was
going to be either staying in Bloomington area or I
was going to go to Champagne and and so to
see Illinois get blasted like that was really surprising. And
then the next week I covered Indiana play in Iowa
and they faced a lot of adversity that day. I mean,
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Iowa is a really good team for being eight and
four and punched them in the face, and Mendozo was struggling.
I mean, he had a lot of blitzing that went
right in his face, and yet he hit a forty
nine yard touchdown pass to win the game inside the
final two minutes. And then of course the other day
against you know, the bully of the Big Ten, you know,
the flagship program, and to not only lead him on
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the game winning drive in the third quarter ultimately, but
then that big pass to Charlie Becker that that's kind
of feeled the game late. I mean, it's just it
was just a remarkable run for Fernando Mendoza. I mean,
you know, I think Curtis Rock was a really good
quarterback for IU last year, did a lot of really
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good things. Plus he was injured, so I don't want
to take anything away from him, but what Fernando Mendoza does.
He tips the field. He's got a huge arm, he
can hit every pass, and he's just he's a different personality.
I mean, you know, he and some of his teammates
will kind of call him a nerd, and it's kind
of true. But he's really earnest and I think he's
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absolutely the leader that Indiana needs and could take him
to it all the way to the final Monday Night.
Speaker 6 (46:15):
Scott Docerman, the Athletic joining us here on the Fan
Morning Show. I want to go back to something you
kind of mentioned very early here, kind of the look
and feel of this team, Like you've covered college football
for a long long time, and when I watch Indiana play,
they are physical, they are fast, They look to me
on the eye test like a top five college football team.
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And you see Ohio State doing You talked about the
third and ones, but Ohio State's reverting to gadget plays
to try to get something going at one point in time.
How surprised have you been to see Indiana literally just
line up nose to nose with everybody and go, Okay,
we're going to be bigger and tougher than you are.
Speaker 3 (46:55):
It's a shock and it's really a helpful product of
the NIL system that you're able to acquire those players
and put along the line of scrimmage and be able
to go toe to toe with Ohio State, Oregon, Iowa,
Michigan last year and teams like that and be able
to have that kind of success, and it speaks to
the fundamentals that they're in. But on the other day,
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you know, I mean, nine tackles for loss against the
Ohio State held in the fifty eight yards rushing that line,
the front wall was very physical at the point of attack.
They were able to stonewall Ohio State's running game, which
was really good. And of course that they're great on
every level of defense. And then you know, conversely on
the line of scrimmage on the offensive side, I mean,
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you know, Carter Smith's maybe the best offensive lineman in
the country. They were one of the three finalists for
the Joe More Award, is the best offensive line in
the country. And that's something that couldn't have been done
without NIL and the transfer portal. I mean, if like
Kevin Wilson became coach to you ten is years ago,
I mean, he was able to transform the offense really
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quickly and it was really exciting. But you just couldn't
line up along the line of scrimmage because you have
to have a developmental type program that can build those
players unless you can acquire them through the transfer portal.
And then what's they were there and in place, and
Kurt Signetti and Brian Haynes, obviously on the defensive side,
you know they're able to put it all together and
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be so fundamentally sound and physical. I mean, that's just rare,
and it just shows you how inc incredible of a
coaching job they've done, because you can't do that without
being so technically proficient that in the way the Indiana is.
Speaker 6 (48:38):
Thanks for stopping by today. We really appreciate your viewpoint,
and keep up the good work over at the Athletic
and we'll talk to you again soon.
Speaker 3 (48:45):
All right, Thanks for having me, appreciate you
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