August 13, 2025 • 62 mins
00:00 – 24:23 – The Pacers are without Jordan Love and one of their backup QBs attended a university that sounds made up, the days of UFC pay-per-views is over after they sign a multi-billion dollar deal with Paramount+, Malik Willis returns after beating the Colts last season, when are we getting a decision on starting quarterback
24:24 – 52:34 – Pacers head coach Rick Carlisle joins us to discuss what he’s been up to since the season ended and what he’s been up to this summer, has he flown any planes this offseason?, last time he spoke to Haliburton, the impact of last season’s run to the Finals, how much of the postseason run has he re-watched, naming Mathurin the starting 2- guard next season, what is a “rat game”?, Myles Turner’s departure to the Bucks, Jarace Walker’s health and growth heading into next season, the rest of his summer vacation
52:35 – 1:02:19 - ESPN Colts reporter Stephen Holder joins us to discuss when the QB competition will actually be over, how the competition has gone and why it’s time to make a decision, what he wants to see out of the joint practices with the Packers, secondary concerns
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You're listening to the Best of the Fan Morning Show
on ninety three five and one oh seven five The Fan.
Good morning, everyone, Welcome into UH the Fan Morning Show
high top the Circle in downtown Indianapolis. The Colt's getting
ready for a weekend preseason game against the Packers. They'll
have joint practices tomorrow. But Jordan Love, who had surgery
(00:20):
on a left and ligament, gonna be out for at
least a week, they said, Kevin, so he won't be
around to play in this one.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
Malik Willis, Sean Clifford, and some dude who went to
Mark please look this.
Speaker 3 (00:34):
Up, UH.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
Wilford lorie A University.
Speaker 1 (00:41):
Wow, I don't think I've ever heard Have you ever
heard of that?
Speaker 4 (00:44):
Kevin?
Speaker 1 (00:44):
I've never heard of that.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
It's got to be made up. There's no He's one
of those people that, like does the catfishing commit on
signing day to like school that you've never heard of Will?
I don't even know if I'm saying that right. What
do you think Division III? Maybe they beat Wabashed on
the Sweet sixteen a.
Speaker 3 (01:01):
Few years ago.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
You'd think we did it.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
I'm famous, Taylor Mark if if.
Speaker 5 (01:08):
That yeah, Taylor EGGLERZMA, which sounds like a disease you
get diagnosed with at the hospital.
Speaker 1 (01:14):
So what happens to that guy in the second half
is like eleven of seventeen for one hundred and fourteen.
Speaker 3 (01:19):
Let's not go down that.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
But yeah, those are the three quarterbacks, Willis Clifford and
the dude who played at some school we've never heard
is a D three Mark.
Speaker 5 (01:26):
Uh, it's Wilford Lawyer University. I'm trying to see what
division they are. I'm trying to even see where they're going.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
Second word, lawyer, la you.
Speaker 4 (01:35):
R I e r.
Speaker 3 (01:36):
I think French on that. Yeah, okay, that's where I went.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
I guess I should go with our French expert here,
Jeff and ask him.
Speaker 1 (01:43):
I've been there for a couple of weeks. I know
everything now. That's how that hapens.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
So yeah, Unfortunately, the challenge I don't think will be
as men's gain. Green Bay rather banged up. I mean defensively,
you know, last year in that week to matchup, they
were pretty stifling. Jeff Halfley, their defensive coordinator, came over
from Boston College. He's one of those head coaches in college.
Became a coordinator in the NFL. So yeah, I mean
anytime you see somebody else, I do think it's more beneficial.
(02:08):
But unfortunately, I don't think it'll be maybe as big
of a challenge as we once thought it would be.
Speaker 5 (02:14):
That university located in Ontario.
Speaker 6 (02:16):
Well, there you go.
Speaker 3 (02:17):
That's probably why I've never heard of it, right m hm.
Speaker 1 (02:20):
Now, see we've all learned something today, JB. I'm just
curious any of you guys, Mark, are you a UFC
guy at all? Have you ever purchased any of the
pay per view or anything like that.
Speaker 5 (02:29):
No, I've been at bars where they've aired, but never
like willingly purchased.
Speaker 1 (02:32):
I've never purchased one of those of you, JB, or
been around one or gone to a party where that
was going on or anything like that.
Speaker 4 (02:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (02:37):
I've gone to a few one fights on in the background,
but I couldn't tell you a lot about UFC, just
because I'm not a huge fan of it, and usually
if I'm going to a party about it, it's because
there's good food there.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
Yeah, the pay per view days are over. As of yesterday,
Dana White and UFC signed a seven point seven billion
dollars deal apparently, and everything they do is now going
to be on Paramount.
Speaker 2 (03:02):
So Paramount is the CBS streamer. Yeah, yes, I feel
like Paramount's the one that's been last to the game.
And I could be biased here, like when I speak
from a Notre Dame standpoint, like they have air games
on Peacock for about the last probably four or five years.
I remember they almost lost a Toledo uh in a
game on Peacock. I think all the Notre Dame haters
quickly downloaded Peacock during that game. And yeah, so I
(03:25):
feel like that one has, you know, been a little
bit more prevalental. Fox Sports we're currently probably talking about
a bit of a streaming service given their new investment
in the IndyCar. But yeah, Paramount Plus, I I don't.
I mean, it's never crossed my mind to sign up
for Paramount Plus, I guess, is what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (03:40):
Land Man right on Paramount.
Speaker 3 (03:42):
Yes, that is alone.
Speaker 6 (03:46):
I watched land Man.
Speaker 5 (03:48):
See what he did there?
Speaker 3 (03:49):
Yeah, so year with Shoe Hee Otani.
Speaker 5 (03:52):
Mm hmas something you're doing.
Speaker 1 (03:57):
Something's happening there.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
Yeah, so I'll watch it any of you, Mark, Jeff,
Do you guys have Paramount Plus?
Speaker 5 (04:02):
We have it only because my sister in law has
it and we passwords to share with them.
Speaker 1 (04:06):
Yeah, but I don't.
Speaker 2 (04:07):
Really does anyone organ anyone organically pay for paramount Plus?
Speaker 1 (04:11):
Jeft never know, I don't you know?
Speaker 7 (04:14):
Sound like he was on the committee for Netflix when
they told us we couldn't share pass for I'm not.
Speaker 3 (04:18):
Gonna sit here.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
Yeah, I'm on my moral high ground here and I
don't share passwords. But what I'm getting now, it's Wendy
hit on the moral high ground. What I'm getting at
is paramunt Plus. I don't think is one that a
lot of people pay. But having said that, this deal
is huge, wasn't it north the seven billion?
Speaker 1 (04:32):
Yeah? And look, if you're somebody who regularly pays for
the pay per view events, isn't it worth it to
you to just get a streaming service?
Speaker 8 (04:39):
Now?
Speaker 1 (04:40):
Yes, I would think so maybe people who do love
the UFC and watch it all the time. One of
the things that's kept me from really ever paying much
attention to it is I just wasn't gonna pay for
the pay per view.
Speaker 5 (04:51):
Yeah, because they are any ESPN Plus, you had to
buy like the ESPN Plus subscription and then on top
of that, pay for the pay per view with that,
which is like another eighty bucks a month. I'm like,
that's insane.
Speaker 7 (05:01):
Well as the person who carries all of my family
subscriptions on my freaking back, I'm not buying anymore. So
I told you do it for grandma though, don't you Yeah,
I pay for Grandma's but everybody. So my parents like,
do we have this? I love you guys, but I
am maxed out. You have access to my max account.
My grandma has Netflix, you got Apple TV, you got
(05:23):
ESPN plus, Disney plus, I'm done, so if you want it.
My dad's like, do we have Landman?
Speaker 2 (05:27):
I have Lambman, Grandma, you will not get my only fans.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
That's late it quickly, but we already. All you're gonna
see is speedos shots of Speedos on there. Probably right she's.
Speaker 6 (05:39):
Gonna be asking who this Kevin Bowen character is.
Speaker 1 (05:41):
So it makes me wonder, though, and I want to
get everybody's thoughts and feel free to either, you know,
call us up at two three nine ten seventy or
send us a text at two three nine ten seventy
on the fan text line, I'm just curious, are we
inching closer and closer to today's where we can't even
watch the cults here at some point without having a
subscription to somebody on streaming. I don't know that five
(06:03):
or ten years from now everything is going to be
on streaming.
Speaker 3 (06:07):
Yeah, I don't think got days anytime soon. I hope, yeah,
I hope not.
Speaker 1 (06:10):
But you look at all the money that these these
streamers are investing.
Speaker 2 (06:13):
I mean, what's On's the broadcast deal come up?
Speaker 3 (06:15):
I mean, we obviously have to get to the end
of that.
Speaker 4 (06:17):
Two or three years away.
Speaker 1 (06:18):
Is that it will take a look at it.
Speaker 3 (06:20):
I have a longer brought attention deal than that.
Speaker 1 (06:22):
But the point is, like when our kids, you know,
my kids are sixteen and seventy, when they are ten
years from now, when they're twenty six, twenty seven, do
they still just get to PLoP down in front of
CBS at one o'clock on Sunday afternoon and watch the culture.
Speaker 5 (06:33):
The media rights deal is for eleven years, that the
twenty twenty three, so it's not it's definitely not two.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
Or three years away we're going I can't even imagine
ten or eleven years down the road, to be totally
honest with you, But you know, I will say from
a sports standpoint, I would say the thing that is
probably gluing together one particular entity more than any other
is March Madness in that TV deal. And when that
comes up, I want to say, it's twenty thirty two
(07:02):
when that comes up the future of college athletics. Again,
Imagining things seven years down the road seems a hair ludicrous,
but nonetheless, by.
Speaker 7 (07:10):
Then Max Bullen's gonna be trying to figure out who
do I want to go Division.
Speaker 6 (07:14):
Football?
Speaker 1 (07:15):
You no, chan By then my kids are gonna be
coming over and setting stuff up for me because I
won't be able to figure it out.
Speaker 2 (07:21):
Can you imagine what a streaming service would pay for
the rights to March Madness or something along those lines.
May so, again, we are always aways down the road, yeah, Nora, Rosie.
Speaker 3 (07:34):
And I's note though too.
Speaker 1 (07:37):
So I'm just curious, and I want to hear from
folks who love the UFC. I would think it's a
bargain for them if they've been paying for you know,
five or six times a year whatever it is, Mark.
Speaker 3 (07:48):
What's paramount a month?
Speaker 6 (07:49):
And its going to I think it's like six bucks
a month or something like.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
That, and I'm guessing it'll go up maybe that based on.
Speaker 6 (07:56):
What if you got it?
Speaker 1 (07:58):
You know you want to learned that you're not going
to share your password with me, so I know that.
Speaker 6 (08:02):
Oh no chance I cut family off though. It is
what it is.
Speaker 5 (08:06):
It says it's seven ninety nine per month and then
if you want to add it to get showtime as
well as twelve ninety nine. Yes, Aaron from Minnesota says
he gets it because a Landman and Tulsa King are tremendous.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
Oh, it's it's also the streaming service thank you here
to this tweet for a lot of the UF.
Speaker 3 (08:26):
Champions League and all that.
Speaker 5 (08:27):
Yeah, EPI on it.
Speaker 2 (08:28):
So that's probably something that I don't know a chunk
of the sports audience has.
Speaker 3 (08:33):
But that's not my cup of tea. But I totally
get a good amount of people do have that.
Speaker 1 (08:37):
Yeah, I would imagine that people. It looks it's probably
a bargain for them and Dana White doing something a
little daring. Again, I know people were lauding him for
that yesterday that they're they're stepping out. So I was
just curious what people are willing to spend. I'm curious,
do you know Mark what you spend for streaming a month.
Speaker 3 (08:55):
Yeah, Jesus, this is like, because I know it's over.
Speaker 1 (09:00):
What are doing in our house?
Speaker 5 (09:02):
YouTube TV? What is eighty two bucks a month? And
I just got the first of three installments taken out
for Sunday Ticket, which was one hundred and eight and
then yeah, good Lord Disney plus Hulu all that.
Speaker 3 (09:15):
Yeah, it's senior W two over while.
Speaker 7 (09:18):
You're at Yeah, I'm gonna you know, access to you know,
all of your last bankst.
Speaker 5 (09:23):
You do share a lot of passers. I mean say
that what we do, there's no other way we're going
to be affording all this.
Speaker 6 (09:27):
They respect. More power to you.
Speaker 7 (09:29):
I do want to pivot a bit though, when we
look at tomorrow's practice. I do know that obviously Jordan
Low will not be available Kevin, but I honestly had
to remind myself of how Malik Willis had the game
of his life against this Colts defense last year. And
I see that tongue in cheek because I was it
like a sixteen to ten game or something like that.
But from a mobility standpoint, and a I can create
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something out of nothing standpoint, I do wonder how this
linebacker group will respond to a player like him. I'm
not saying he's a great player, but someone who can
move on the run, who can you know, extend plays.
What does that mean for your linebacker core and how
do they respond to that? And I'm curious to see
what that entails because that's a group that I'm feeling
(10:17):
a little more concerned about after the preseason opener, and
I'm not feeling great about going into the second preseason
game just because from a coverage standpoint, I don't know
if I can trust them.
Speaker 2 (10:27):
Yeah, I thought, run game wise, that group got torched
in that first half of the Baltimore game.
Speaker 6 (10:32):
And again, Malik gives you some of that run elements.
Speaker 7 (10:34):
So I'm like, between the run and the coverage is
like the duel threat quarterback the guy. Obviously, I mean
in theory, they're gonna cause fits for every defense, but
for your defense in particular, will it become even more
apparent like, man, maybe we need some other players at
that spot.
Speaker 2 (10:49):
Yeah, you know, I'm trying to think from a schedule standpoint,
I don't know, Kyler Murray comes to mind. I mean,
there's not a ton if I remember correctly on.
Speaker 3 (10:56):
This year's slate.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
Yeah, I'll obviously see how things you know play out
because you know one injury, I e. Jordan Love to
Malik Willis, and stylistically it's a vastly different quarterback than
what you're used to. Love is definitely more of a
pocket passer than Willis. So boy, I honestly, when I
saw that news yesterday and I realized Malik Willis was
the starter, it just brought up so many bad memories
(11:19):
a week two and again to your point, it's not
like Malik Willis sliced and diced you to three hundred yards.
But if I remember correctly, like Josh Jacobs just ran
all over the Colts in the first half. They protected
Malik Willis like no other and he had a couple
of like nice passes and that was it. And then
their defense was stifling. And you know, for those that
(11:41):
misremember last year, remember we had the Packers and Eagles
play in Brazil on that Friday night of opening weekend.
Jordan Love gets hurt like on one of the last
plays of the game, like a flukeale Mary. He gets
hurt on and I'm watching it. The game was largely over.
This is like midnight, and I'm watching that play, I'm like,
what a break? The Colts just got Jordan Love just
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gets hurt on a you know, very non consequential play
and then boom, next thing. You know, Week two rolls
around and the Packers get the last laugh and the
Colts start zero and two, and you know, for seemingly
the upteenth season in a row, you're climbing uphill again. Defensively,
it seems like green Bay is in a better health situation,
so evaluation wise, that should be key, or at least
(12:25):
a little bit more of an accurate evaluation for the
Colts there.
Speaker 3 (12:29):
So again, this is it tomorrow Grand Park, three o'clock.
Speaker 2 (12:32):
That will be the final joint practice and then we'll
obviously see the Colts starters for around a quarter. It
sounds like Anthony Richardson a little bit longer coming up
Saturday afternoon, and the plan for Matt Lafleur and Green
Bay is they will not play their starters, you know.
Speaker 1 (12:47):
And you talk about little PTSD for Colts fans last year.
That's why Gus Bradley's not around. Losing to leak willis
losing two the Giants and the backup quarterback that they
had rolling in with Drew Locke and getting rolled over
with the running game and a lot of things they've
done in the offseason, particularly in the secondary James to
(13:08):
try and fix that and then bring it in on Rumo.
And from that perspective, I can see why some Colts
fans might be a little more optimistic that they're going
to win a game or two more than than.
Speaker 4 (13:16):
One last year.
Speaker 7 (13:18):
Yeah, and then I think you look at the quarterback playing,
You're like, are you sure? Because it always comes down
to the quarterback. I mean, unless the defense is going
to score a bunch of touchdowns for him, they'll need
either QB to step up and have probably a much
better year, well not probably, certainly a much better year
than they had last year to have any type of success.
Speaker 2 (13:37):
You think completion percentage matters James and training camp?
Speaker 6 (13:41):
In training camp, yes to a degree. I'm not going
to like a loose sleep over it.
Speaker 7 (13:49):
But well, can I give a cop out answer and
say it depends on who you're talking about, because if
you're telling me.
Speaker 3 (13:55):
Well, I don't know, expand on that a little.
Speaker 7 (13:57):
If you tell me, oh my gosh, Patrick will home
this completion of percentage in training camp this year is.
Speaker 6 (14:04):
Fifty. I couldn't. I couldn't care less.
Speaker 7 (14:08):
If you tell me to anthy Richison the politioner percentage
in training camp is not good, I'll probably be thinking, okay,
well is he making any progress? So that maybe I
read more into it depending on who the player is,
but I'm still not like too beholden to it as
a stat in training camp, mainly because it's also I mean,
do we even keep official stats?
Speaker 6 (14:26):
Can't we keep official stats? Then we're gonna show us
So I don't know.
Speaker 3 (14:30):
Yeah, it's inter question that I threw Jim Bob Cooter's way.
Speaker 7 (14:33):
I saw you closing up to him, I said, who
Kevin's on his PI? Well, detective work. He had, he
had the hat on, he had the sunglasses. He was
basically saying, like, I saw you out, you know, late late,
late at night.
Speaker 2 (14:42):
Least in front of everybody. But they were kind of
a logjam of people.
Speaker 6 (14:46):
I dit it's a bad move. I've learned it myself now.
Speaker 2 (14:48):
They asked if I could do that one off to
the side, So basically he said something the effect of
how you just kind of let off like it does matter,
but it's not the end all be all, Okay, It's
something that they do emphasize. They try not to overemphasize
it though, And he brought up a statement here of like,
if you want to as a quarterback, you can kind
of artificially boost that number, you can inflate it. So
(15:13):
I would ask this to you, do you think Daniel
Jones is artificially boosting his completion percentage? Like do you
think he's not testing things in camp? Or is this
just who Daniel Jones as a quarterback.
Speaker 1 (15:26):
I feel like having watched him with the Giants over
the last several years, it's kind of who he is
as a quarterback. He doesn't push the ball downfield. He
will take the safe, easy throw, which is fine except
that you don't move the sticks all the time. And
that's kind of been who Daniel Jones has been the
last couple of years. What do you think James, Because.
Speaker 2 (15:44):
He's about I don't know, eight or nine percent higher
than Richardson in camp if you want to get into
the unofficial numbers, I don't know, sixty sixty one for Richardson,
I think Jones is close to seventy.
Speaker 7 (15:57):
Yeah, I mean, I think Jones is a more efficient player,
so by default he's going to have the numbers kind
of be inflated in his favor in that regard, So.
Speaker 6 (16:09):
For him, I again I look at.
Speaker 7 (16:10):
The quarterback more so than like the police of percentage
depending on who it is. So for Dale Jones, the
completion percentage to me might not matter as much just
because I know you can, you know, get the ball
to the receiver. It's can you do it and move
us down the field. As I've said throughout these recent shows,
you can't dink and dunk your way to the playoffs.
I don't care what anybody says. You can tell me, oh,
(16:32):
he completes eighty percent of his passes, do they go anywhere?
Speaker 6 (16:35):
Because if you do that.
Speaker 7 (16:36):
Long enough against good defenses, you're going to lose a
lot of football games. So I don't know, that's a
good question.
Speaker 1 (16:44):
It's fan morning show. You're at the ninety three five
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Speaker 6 (16:48):
Ken's got me like a philosophy calr.
Speaker 2 (16:52):
This, you know, when we get into the regular season,
I think pretty universally, Frank Raik for example, definitely Shane
Stikeen as well. The yards per attempt stat is one
that I think a lot of NFL coaches, particularly offensive minds,
will say that's a pretty good stat to evaluate quarterbacks on.
Speaker 6 (17:09):
I think it's a better indicator in my brain of
your success.
Speaker 2 (17:12):
We don't all have that in training and again, nothing's
perfect in training camp.
Speaker 3 (17:15):
By no me, I mean trust me. There are times
where I'm like.
Speaker 6 (17:18):
I trust your official stats anybody else or not.
Speaker 2 (17:20):
You know, are you counting that as a completion or
are you not counting that as a completion. So, you
know a lot of people poke fun at you know,
why are you keeping training camp stats? And I get
why people look at it skeptically from the outside, So
I was curious. I was like, okay, you know, here's
Jim Bob Couter. For example, he called all the place
Thursday and practice Shane Steke and was like the ref
with the megaphone, and Jim Bob Couter was a play caller.
(17:42):
I'm like, okay, to the play caller, it doesn't matter.
It sounds like it does. It's not gospel, it's not everything,
but it does sound like it matters a bit here.
And you know, this kind of comes back to I
think the general question that Shane Steiken probably has to
sit there and ask himself at night, can I win
with a game manager? That's largely what you'd be going
(18:06):
to with Daniel Jones. You obviously hope his turnover numbers
would come down. But are you sitting here saying, wait
a minute. We have one of the best running backs
in the league. We have a first round pick, a
tight end. Of our top four wideouts, all of them
were taken in the first what three rounds? We have
an offensive line that we feel like is one of
the better units in the league. Given the ten you
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have around that quarterback, there's probably a little bit of
a thought to Shane Sikins, like, man, if we can
just again get someone that keeps us afloat, now, is
that enough? Or is your defense once again going to
be a bottom third unit in scoring defense and you
know you're gonna need more from the quarterback position. I
think that is the internal battle Shane Stiken has and
(18:48):
trying to sit here and say, all right, what do
we need at quarterback in my third NFL season as
head coach?
Speaker 1 (18:53):
Just curious knowing that they're going to reverse the roles
because Anthony Richardson injury last week. When do you think
we get a nod at starting quarterback? Any Wait till
after the third preseason game or does somebody take a
step forward this weekend?
Speaker 6 (19:12):
When did they announce it?
Speaker 7 (19:13):
Yeah, I would think they have to do it after
this game. I would do it after this game personally,
because at some point you got to just walk into
your locker room and tell your guys who you're rolling with.
And I think two preseason games is enough of a
simple size, and in that third game you probably want
to have it figured out. Someone's on everyone's on the
same page. I still probably play my guys, as Kevin
(19:34):
alluded to, I believe yesterday. So yeah, I think after
this week he should probably announce the starter.
Speaker 2 (19:40):
Yeah, yeah, that's That's probably where I'm at as well. Again,
we will not see any practices moving forward after tomorrow.
Speaker 3 (19:48):
Tomorrow is our fine. I mean we will see what
stretching and.
Speaker 7 (19:51):
Does it Kevin, use your hype brother and look over
the fences at what do we What am I paying
you for a one seventy five to the fanal individual period?
Speaker 3 (19:57):
James is like boosting me up into the trees to watch.
Speaker 2 (20:02):
Maybe I can have Rick Carlisle just fly me over
the Eagle Airport, will be one of.
Speaker 6 (20:06):
Those trench coaches. Wait, why I get on your shoulders.
Speaker 7 (20:08):
I get the glasses and the mustache and repet you you.
Speaker 1 (20:11):
Interlock your hands and let him put his foot on
there and then boost him up over the fence.
Speaker 5 (20:15):
There be like andy defrain and like dig yourself in
just like the ground.
Speaker 1 (20:20):
There's multiple ways to do thisnes how about Thrones?
Speaker 3 (20:24):
Yeah, to James's point, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (20:26):
I get a little vibe from Shane that he would
like to have this done this time next ones.
Speaker 3 (20:32):
Yeah, but yeah, know.
Speaker 2 (20:34):
This is where it gets back to, Okay, what if
Anthony Richardson comes out and has a very blah performance
on Saturday?
Speaker 3 (20:42):
Can you really name him the starter after that?
Speaker 6 (20:44):
I wouldn't if he came out and had a.
Speaker 2 (20:47):
Horrible dame, what do you do next Saturday? Are you
playing them each a quarter against Cincinnati? Are you continuing
through the preseason game. It's just you know, probably once
you get through they will still I assume can mp
it up a little bit like Tuesday Wednesday at practice
next week. Right again, we won't watch it for the
full allotment that we're allowed to.
Speaker 3 (21:08):
Now, but.
Speaker 2 (21:10):
He's got room on the schedule, I guess, is what
I'm saying to probably do it for one more week,
then the Miami stuff really takes center stage. Of all right,
you gotta start preparing for week one. You know, we're
less than two weeks away from rosters, so if he
would like the schedule wise, he could probably keep it
going for another week. But again, from a let's commit
to someone, let's give them three weeks of the full
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starting reps, that probably is something he would like to
entertain as well.
Speaker 1 (21:35):
Yeah, it kind of feels like though. Still then unless
Daniel Jones does something special in Anthony Richardson is just
awful awful, it still feels like it's Ar's job to lose.
I know we've talked about that a little bit, but.
Speaker 7 (21:48):
Is it that big of I was gonna say, I
don't feel that way necessarily. No, what do you feel
I've been saying on the show the last couple of days.
It's closer than people think it is. And I think
that they could absolutely start Daniel Jones, especially if Anthony
has a bad game that's looking Saturday.
Speaker 1 (22:00):
But deep down, don't you think they want Anthony Richardson
to win this competition? They need him to win this competition?
Speaker 9 (22:06):
Eh?
Speaker 6 (22:07):
I think self preservation kicks in at some point. I
really do think that.
Speaker 7 (22:11):
I think that you can want it, and you can
wish it all you want to. But if this dude
comes out against the Three Bay Packers and he plays
the most of the first half and he looks bad
or he gets injured again, there's gonna be serious conversations about, Okay,
do we actually play this guy. I understand the upside
where he was drafted, but self preservation will kick in
at some point. Everyone's gonna have to come to the
conversation of saying, do we want to marry our futures
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in our job ten years to Anthony Richardson And if
the answer is no, then you start the other guy.
Speaker 1 (22:40):
It's gonna be fascinating to watch it play out. But again,
we'll have a joint practice tomorrow Cults and Packers. As
you point out, Kevin, that's the last chance that anybody
publicly gets to see the Cults practice for a while.
That's it.
Speaker 2 (22:51):
That is it earlier end to training camp than usual.
So yeah, August fourteenth, it is about what is it
twelve thirteen days?
Speaker 3 (22:57):
I think something like that.
Speaker 2 (22:58):
If you add him all up at Grand Park. So yes,
tomorrow is it from an open practice standpoint, and I
guess for those that have come across tickets or are
trying to go, I thought it was sold out. I
believe this is one of those premium practices. I think
it does cause like five or ten bucks to all
proceeds I believe go to the Flag Football Association. So
just a little FYI there.
Speaker 5 (23:18):
Last time to get your bucket hat signed by James Boyd.
I want at least two sides tomorrow.
Speaker 6 (23:22):
I don't want to be damaging any more.
Speaker 7 (23:25):
You know, equipment out there for you know, protect yourself
from the sun and not my signifaure two.
Speaker 5 (23:29):
Signs of a bucket hat for James, and I want
Kevin to get someone bring Kevin another kool Aid package.
Speaker 3 (23:35):
Yeah, Blue Power Aid.
Speaker 2 (23:37):
The man in the Florida shirt, I forget his name.
That was so just nice of him to bring that
clutch with old blue Power Aid. It probably started all
this drama we've had over the past few weeks.
Speaker 5 (23:46):
You are very crotchety about all that, all.
Speaker 1 (23:49):
Right, coming up in a minute, the head coach of
the Indiana Pacers, Rick Carlisle, stops by. The guys will
have a chat with him about his summer and what's
going on there. We'll talk about his thoughts on the
opener against the old Coloma City Thunder and everything else
Pacers as we continue next. It's ninety three five and
one a seven.
Speaker 2 (24:04):
Five the fan, and he had the coldest looking blue
power rate I've ever seen, and I mean my mouth
was watering. I mean, I thought to myself, that thing
looks immaculate. I want that thing, just mark, go ahead
and clip it out. I mean, that just looks beautiful. Well,
good Wednesday morning to you. A little overnight rain will
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greet you if you haven't been outside this morning. Looks
to be decent temperature wise, if you haven't made to
the State Fair or one more colts training camp practice
coming up tomorrow shouldn't be two too hots. But let's
head to the payloss lookers hotline right now. The NBA
schedule gets fully announced coming up tomorrow. We did see
opening night inside a gamebridge Field House announced yesterday it
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will be Pacers and Thunder coming up, a nationally televised game.
And to talk more about that. He is the head
coach of the Indiana Pacers. Our summer chat if you will,
Instead of Tuesdays at eight, how about Wednesday at eight.
He is Rick Carlisle coach. Happy summer. Good morning to you.
Speaker 3 (25:05):
How are you.
Speaker 4 (25:06):
I'm all right, what's happening.
Speaker 5 (25:08):
We're living life.
Speaker 2 (25:10):
I before we get into maybe some basketball conbo, what's uh,
what's been on the summer agenda for you? Any any
great trips anything you've looked forward to doing this summer
that you've gotten accomplished.
Speaker 9 (25:23):
Uh? Yeah, some some moving around to different places. But
it's it's been good. And you know, it's a very
short summer, obviously, because when you play the last thing,
you play your last game of the season on the
last possible day of the finals. It's, uh, the summer
is pretty short.
Speaker 3 (25:45):
I mean to ask you this.
Speaker 2 (25:46):
And and I don't know if you met moving around,
have you met within the Indie area, But when you
have been in Indy obviously you were, you know, the
head coach a couple of decades agoing. Now, have you
always lived in the same area or do you have
a particular like a part of that you really enjoy.
Speaker 9 (26:03):
Well, we've lived in three different parts of town. When
I was first there as an assistant, we lived in
a pocket of homes called Golden Hill, which was down
kind of adjacent to Woodstock Country Club. It's kind of
like thirty eighth and Martin Luther King area. It's a
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kind of an eclectic group of homes that's older.
Speaker 4 (26:28):
That's pretty cool.
Speaker 9 (26:29):
And interestingly, when I came in nineteen ninety seven to
work with Larry Bird, Dick Harder also came with us,
and we ended up buying a house that Dick Harder
and his wife Mary had lived in when he was
an assistant coach with Jack Ramsey in the mid eighties,
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and so it was kind of a coincidental thing. And
the house also had been owned at one time by
former Mayor Hudnutt. The house had some interesting history. The
second time we were in the forty fourth and Penn area,
I guess it's Merdy and Kessler, and then you know,
now we're up north in the Carmel area, so uh yeah,
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I'm mixing it up. But I've enjoyed all three, all
three spots.
Speaker 6 (27:18):
Where can be pilot lessons.
Speaker 9 (27:19):
As of late, I've I've flown a little bit, but no,
no lessons. I'm not I'm not current right now. I've
got a few I've got a few jet hours this summer,
but that's that simply means sitting in the left seat
with a highly trained instructor on my in the right
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in the right seat, and you know, I'm doing the controls.
I'm doing take offs and landings and stuff like that.
And uh, you know I could do that stuff, but
I certainly would not be doing it by myself.
Speaker 6 (27:55):
I respect that. I respect that.
Speaker 7 (27:57):
Pivoting more to the basketball side of things, we see
that ty Reese is making some progress throughout his Achilles
rehab and I believe he'll be out of the boot
fairly soon, if he isn't already. So have you spoken
to him recently? And where is he at in his
recovery just mentally and physically right now.
Speaker 9 (28:15):
Yeah, I have spoken to him recently. I've spoken to
him quite a few times this summer. He's in he's
in great spirits. He's just you know, he always has
a positive outlook on things. And you guys saw where
he and his girlfriend Jay got engaged. That was pretty
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spectacular event that you know, they head over social media,
which is pretty cool. That happened up in uh in
ames Iowa at their alma mater, and that was a
complete surprise. But he pulled it off there in Grand fashion,
So congrats to them, But this is I don't know,
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this is all going by fast. You know, it's been
a month and a half half already, maybe even a
little more than that. And the thing's gonna fly by.
This season coming up is gonna fly by. You know,
time is is flying by, and before you know it,
he'll be back, you know. And uh, things are still
cutting edge down in the medical world that these guys
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you know now now don't just recover from this kind
of injury. They they would make a full, full recovery.
And so we're seeing it with Isaiah Jackson and James Wiseman.
Those guys have been really busting their butts, you know
during their entire rehab. And yesterday, Uh, Isaiah did some
five on five work in the gym and he's doing
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real well. And Wiseman is you know, they're they're right
about neck and neck in terms of where their recovery
is at. Wiseman maybe slightly ahead, you know, because his
surgery I think was eight or ten days ahead of Isaiah's.
But but the hope is that those guys will be
ready to go com training camp.
Speaker 2 (30:01):
So summer chat with Rick Carlisle normally Tuesdays at eight.
It is a Wednesday morning, and we appreciate the coach
hopping on with us here. Really enjoyed you with Caitlin
Cooper on her podcast last week, Coach, and in that
you mentioned to her that, you know, at different times
this summer you've had people either randomly contact you or
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just come up to you and say, how really inspirational
the run was all the way to the finals into
Game seven last year. Do you think, like anything in
particular is why that run has stood out to so
many people, not I guess just purely Pacer fans, Like,
was there an element Have people shared with you a
particular reason why it's that run that has felt you know,
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people the need or the urge I guess to go
up to you and and and say that.
Speaker 9 (30:51):
Yeah, you know when you run into you know, civilians,
non you know, non NBA people, they just you know,
they just talk about you know, these are word inspired.
You know, it was it was inspirational, and you know,
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it just restored my faith in the NBA. Here's some
things like that, you know, like to see a team
play that hard and that together and all that and
this is this is all the credit goes to the
players for this, and so you know, talking to NBA people,
you know, running into people in Vegas. I was at
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a zoom a couple of days ago with our executive
committee of the Coaches Association, along with some members of
the Competition committee. And and in fact, I ran into
an assistant coach with one of the Eastern Conference teams
about five days ago down here where we are in
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South Carolina, and and he said, you know, you got
you guys, You guys are change the game, changing the
way game is played, the full court pressure, the way
people are looking at roster construction, all that kind of stuff,
and so, uh, and I've gotten that comment or sentiment
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on several occasions. And so obviously our fans should be
very proud, our players should be very proud. You know,
myself and the coaching staff is is proud. But you know,
the work is, the work goes on and it never
gets easier. And to to set a standard is one thing.
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To maintain a standard and then and then work to
uh increase that standard is is something totally different.
Speaker 2 (32:45):
You obviously have to live in a world where pretty
soon you got to fully fully turn the page.
Speaker 3 (32:49):
And maybe already have.
Speaker 2 (32:50):
But have you found yourself at any point in this
offseason going back and watching any part of that run,
or maybe thinking back on any part of it that
really stands out to you.
Speaker 3 (33:01):
I mean so many games.
Speaker 2 (33:02):
I was talking with somebody yesterday about it, and it's like,
it wasn't just that you got to Game seven.
Speaker 3 (33:07):
It was really cinema.
Speaker 2 (33:08):
It was like Hollywood type eight points to nine seconds.
It seemingly happened a handful of times throughout that run.
Have you gone back and watched any of it, anything
stand out or is it fully turned the page?
Speaker 9 (33:23):
Yeah? I watched. I did not watch, well, I should
say I watched. I watched the beginning of Game seven.
I watched the first I guess it was four and
a half minutes where Tyree shipping his third three and
they called time out and I just shut it off there.
(33:45):
I didn't really want to see anymore. But you know,
you watch all the games obviously, you know, as you
go through that, and I thought back to it. You know,
there have been some things I looked at this summer,
you know, when we acquired Jay Hoffe, I went back
and looked at some of the minutes where he played
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against US when he's a Memphis because we played them
also in a preseason game last year, and so yeah,
I mean it's that, but I'm I'm usually pretty good
at turning the page and and moving forward. You know.
It's if things if things do end in a difficult way,
which this did, it's it's just is uh, it's it's
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just to me. It's it's this great motivation to jump
into the next thing. And so the next thing is
is a year where you know there's going to be
amazing opportunity for our team, our guys. You know, expectations
around the world, around the NBA world are going to
be significantly lower. I think we've seen that with some
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of the Vegas predictions on wins and all that kind
of stuff. But this is that's why we played the games,
you know, so we're looking forward to it.
Speaker 7 (34:56):
Rick Carlisle, head coach of the Pacers, joined us from
the Paylos Sickers Hig Line. Rick, you appeared on Kellen
Cooper's podcast what you Already talked about, But in that
same podcast, you mentioned that the starting two guard position
is Benedigt matherins to lose, and you mentioned that he's
a natural scorer and within that answer. You also mention
that he's that he can score and get budgets in
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a rat game. And we're asking, I think last week,
what is a rat game? Number one and then number two?
What do you see this? How do you use this
opportunity for bending matheren?
Speaker 9 (35:28):
Well, first of all, if you guys are not subscribed
to basketball, she wrote on Patreon, you're making a big mistake.
In fact, for this, I might even I might even
pay for both of your subscriptions. I have such great
belief that this would be as knowledgeable as you guys are.
(35:48):
This would this would increase your knowledge of the NBA
and particularly the Pacers in an exponential fashion. I mean,
what Caitlin is doing with her site is really is
really amazing. The detail, you know, the writing mentioned on
the podcast that you know, she's been approached by multiple
(36:09):
NBA teams that have tried to hire her, but she
is she stayed true to her mission, which is to
uh study the Pacers at the most meticulous level. She
loves writing, and she's a great writer. And you know,
every time we play a game, there's a there's a
(36:30):
story that comes out. If you subscribe to her site,
it comes out it comes directly to your email and
then usually there's a podcast that follows, you know. So
I'm I'm really, I'm really in awe of what she's
doing there, and so I would encourage you guys to subscribe,
or anyone to subscribe for that matter.
Speaker 4 (36:50):
Anyway.
Speaker 9 (36:51):
Yeah, so the question about Ben, Yeah, you know, Ben,
it's important to Ben that to be a starter. I
know that. You know, he's told me that. You guys
can see that, you know, with the way that he plays.
So yeah, it's you know, why why wait? You know
he's the starter on day one. You know. The the
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caveat to that is that he's got to continue to
move his game in the direction of being a highly
functioning part of the Indiana Pacers. And that's gonna that's
going to mean that he's got to continue to play
faster and faster. He's got to run faster, run harder.
He's got to he's got to play off with quick decisions.
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He's going to be guarding a lot of great players,
you know, and you think about it with Tyree's being
out this year and Nemhar the starting point, so you know,
Andrew Nemar guarded the best perimeter player almost always is
either here Anie Smith. But you know, with with Tyres out,
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you know Andrew, it's going to put him on different
matchups sort of organically. And now Ben is going to
be guarding guys that are better players. So this will
be a great challenge. You know, Ben told us when
when he was drafted that he wanted to be coach hard,
he wanted to be great, you know, and and and everything,
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and uh and I've always took him at his word.
You know, we have high standards for him. But he's gotta,
he's gotta, he's gotta, he's got to keep he's got
to keep pushing it. He's got to keep pushing it.
You know, his gifts are pretty clear. I mean, he's
a great transition player. He shoots the ball long range
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with ease. I mean he shoots the ball from thirty
five feet, you know, just just he could just pop
up and just you know, flip in a jump shot.
And so you know, those those are the big strengths
to his offensive game. And so you know the situations
where he at times gets into trouble, driving into crowd
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stuff like that, you know that stuff's got to go away,
and we're going to work with him hard on that
he's having a great summer. He's busting his body, he's
gonna he's actually up in I think he's in Toronto
right now spending time with Team Canada. I don't think
he's participating in the World Championships, but he's there. And
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I don't know that he's participating in the workouts, but
he is there watching. If he's not participating, and and
he's uh, I believe you know, I would certainly have
to believe that he's a big part of Team Canada's future.
So anyway, all good stuff on Ben Mathern. I know
that Kevin is the president of the Ben Mathern Fan Club, indeed,
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and so uh so it's so there, So there we go.
And so as president of the fan club, you should
you should be pushing all the all of your all
of your members to uh to hit him on social
media about the things that he needs to do to
continue to work to be great.
Speaker 2 (40:00):
If that's to the top of the monthly meeting coming
up here next week, well, I will say this fort
I subscribe to basketball. She wrote, actually have a shirt
as well. Caitlin Cooper so been a long time subscriber.
For probably over a year and a half or two
years at this point. And one quick follow up, what
is a rat game?
Speaker 7 (40:14):
Can We were debating this last week and we have
no idea how you view that or what that means.
Speaker 9 (40:21):
Yeah, I mean, no disrespect to rats, but yeah, it's
a it's a term. It's a term to me that means.
Let let's say you're playing a team that's a very
hard playing, physical team that does a lot of switching
and does a lot of things to junk up the game,
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and it's just gonna be it's gonna be a game
that looks like it's a little detached and a little
clunky on a lot of on a lot of levels.
I mean, he's a guy that is in the in
the flow or non flow of a game like that.
He's gonna find is to get the ball in the
basket and get to the free throw line. And it's
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a it's really it's a great compliment to him. And
so you know, look, we saw it a little bit
in game seven of the of the finals. I mean
it was physical, there was a lot of switching, and
he ended up being our leading scorer in the finals.
But you know, we don't we don't want to see
a bunch of games where he's the leading scorer and
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we lose. You know, we we we want him to
keep developing the acumen to be a great scorer, but
to be but to be a part of the team's
success and to you know, meld those ability, those individual
abilities with the the style that our that our team
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has developed, which so many people have become smitten with.
Speaker 2 (41:48):
Uh with the important caveat of no disrespect to rats
Rick Carlisle with us here on the Payless Slickers htlines
just a few more minutes. We appreciate the Pacers head
coach joined us here for a summer combo. This is
our first chat since really, I guess right after the playoffs,
and obviously the first big bit of news in the
offseason was Miles Turner joining the Bucks.
Speaker 3 (42:10):
Were you as stunned?
Speaker 2 (42:10):
Does it sounded like Kevin Pritchard was when he found
out that news.
Speaker 4 (42:15):
Yeah, I was.
Speaker 9 (42:16):
I was surprised. I was surprised. But it's pretty clear
what happened. You know, Milwaukee found a way to come
up with enough cap space in a very short period
of time. It's my guess that they did all this.
You know, they did it by waving Lillard and stretching
him and all that kind of stuff created whatever it was,
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twenty some million extra in space. And and I think
what I think what happened was, you know, they they
talked to Miles of the Agent or Miles the end
of agent and said, look, we have this offer. This
is a number, you know, presumably a number that you
guys are trying to get to. We need to know
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that if we offer this, you guys are gonna take
it and you can't stop it, you know. And that's
that's a that's a frequent you know, a tactic of negotiation.
And so pretty clearly they they took they took the offer.
It's they're right to do it. Will certainly, miss Miles.
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I know that there were a lot of there was
a lot of talk about, you know, some of the
some of the things that he said as he left,
But I just I just feel, look, we're going to
give Miles the benefit of the doubt on all that stuff.
The guy is the guy was a was a pacer
through and through for ten years. He lived and breathed
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that he disregarded trade rumors, you know, when they when
they happened, he was all about. He was all about
in the end all the time. Sometimes things in the
business aspect of basketball because super dynamic and nuclear, and
they happen on a you know, on they turn on
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a dime. But you know, everything that Kevin Pritchard said
is absolutely true. This this this franchise was was ready
to go as far to the tax as we needed
to keep him. But you know, things can change quickly.
Speaker 4 (44:25):
They did.
Speaker 9 (44:26):
He's moved on. It's a division rival, so there's always
gonna be plenty to talk about there. But Kevin and
Chad were able to acquire Jay Huff, who's certainly not
the experienced level mouse turner, is not the exact same
kind of player, but he can make threes, and he
can protect and protect the rim, and he can do
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some other things that are strengths of his and so
we feel like he's a piece that can that can
work for us. We don't know exactly who's going to
start at five, but I've had seasons where I've had
three centers and pretty much consistently played three centers every game.
It was I think it was two thousand and thirteen
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fourteen with the Dallas Mavericks. Sam Dallen Bear was our starter,
Dwan Blair and Brandon Wright played back up, and there
were way more games many There were way more games
than there weren't where all three of those guys played.
And so, you know, maybe the center position is more
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of a Swiss army knife type thing. We'll have to see.
But we have we have Huff, we have Isaiah Jackson,
we have Wiseman. Tony Bradley's going to be in camp.
So there's four guys that are going to be slugging
it out for the you know, presumably three center spots.
So as we get into it, we'll see what's what.
But you know, nothing but love from from my perspective,
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from on Miles Turner. I had a really nice, nice
conversation with him after, you know, after he made the
decision to leave, and what a lovable guy. So we'll
miss him.
Speaker 2 (46:08):
Last one, coach, and again thank you for the time.
Unfortunately we didn't get to see him late in that
playoff run due to injury, but certainly minutes now with
that second unit with Benedict going to the starting lineup
are there for a guy like Jarris Walker. How is
he doing health wise and where do you want to
see growth for him entering I believe his third season.
Speaker 9 (46:31):
Yeah, his health is good right now. You know that
that was a serious injury that he suffered in Game six,
And I think it's important to note that Jared's had
a very productive year. He played I think over fifteen
and a half minutes a game. You know, he played
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very effectively during certain stretches of the playoffs. He was
a big factor in Game four at Milwaukee, where you know,
we were able to get ourselves in a position to
steal a road game. That was a that was a
big deal. And you know, he played well throughout the year.
And so the big things for him are going to
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be conditioning, motor, toughness, rebounding defense, and in a real
high degree of understanding of the importance of possession of
the ball. And that's not just him, that's everybody. I think.
With what we're going into this year, you know we're
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going to be without a.
Speaker 4 (47:36):
Guy in Tyree.
Speaker 9 (47:37):
Who's historically great with his ability to do amazing things
on the basketball floor, creating pace, scoring, getting the ball
to the rim, hitting floaters, throwing it ahead to teammates,
getting assists, and with the uage rate that he has.
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His ability to have security with the ball and not
turn the ball over is like you know, has been
has been historic and so our team is going to
have to really develop an even greater understanding and appreciation
of the importance of possession. But in a year like
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this that we have coming up, Jarus is a very
important guy because he can play multiple positions really including
point guard. I mean, you know, he handles the ball
that well, but I want I want to see him
be able to get a rebound at one end and
put on the burners and go coast to coast with
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speed and attack the rim at the other I think
he has the ability to do that. So I know
he's working on those those that those things along with
a lot of other things. But it took him a
good two months before he was back on the court
going one hundred percent, and so, uh, it's going to
be an active end of the summer for him. But
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you know, he's people should be excited. People should be
excited about Johnny Furfey. After watching him in the Summer League.
I think Furby is another guy. You know, he's he's
a lot like Ben Sheppard. He's a he's a he's
a seamless fit into our our system. He runs, he rebounds,
he passes it, he moves it. He's a great cutter.
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He doesn't need the ball to be effective, you know.
And he's, uh, he's a lunch pale guy. Man. He's
he's going to work so and some of the stuff
that that he did in the Summer League, you know,
some of the dunks. You guys saw those pretty cool,
pretty pretty pretty awesome stuff. And so he's become a
fan favorite. And then we've got the two rookies. You know,
we've got Peter and and Jones. We like those guys
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a lot. Both of them improved as the Summer League
went on. So a lot of opportunity, you know, a
lot of excitement from my perspective. We'll see what the
schedule shows tomorrow. The good news is on opening night,
we at least we get Oklahoma City in a back
to back. You know, they're getting they're getting their rings
the night before, and so we'll have to try to
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figure out a way to take advantage of that.
Speaker 6 (50:16):
Last last one.
Speaker 2 (50:17):
Then again, we appreciate the time. What's left about a
month ish to go in the off seasons or anything.
You're looking forward to away from the floor before training
camp starts up. I assume late September.
Speaker 9 (50:30):
Well, Abby Carlisle arrives tonight down here where we are,
and she spent the summer taking some summer classes in
New York City at NYU, and so she'll be down
here for a week or so, and then we'll drive
her down to uh I should say, up to Charlottesville,
and we'll spend the time there and then eventually meander
(50:53):
back to Indianapolis, where we're really looking forward to getting
back and getting going. But yeah, it's it's been it's
been quite a year. If you go back a full
year to you know where we are now. So you know,
we're mid August. You think about mid August twenty twenty four,
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and you know the way everybody looked at last season,
you know, coming off the conference finals, there was anticipation,
and then you know, we got into the season and
then it was we were ten and fifteen and we
were banged up, and you know, it was didn't seem
to be a whole lot of good stuff happening. And
then you know, we started to get healthy and and
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you know, Nemar came back and you know, we we
went from there. We won three games on the on
the road to to get to five hundred at Christmas,
pretty much a similar thing we did in the previous year,
and then a lot of great things happened. So this
year is is another mystery at this point, but we're
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looking forward to put the beasts together.
Speaker 2 (52:00):
Well, we got this text during the convos said, please
tell Rick this run inspired me and my group of
friends to get back in the gym and start hooping again.
So the inspiration is impacted the local men's leagues here
in the great state of Indiana. Coach enjoyed the time
with Abby Safe travels back up here a little bit
later in September, and I greatly appreciate the time.
Speaker 3 (52:21):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (52:22):
Cheers, guys, stick care, Rick Carlisle right there on the
Paylessliquers hotline, no disrespect to rats, and plenty of other
takeaways we've got from that combo. We'll do it on
the other side. It is the Fantom Morning.
Speaker 4 (52:35):
Good morning, welcome to your Houp day.
Speaker 1 (52:37):
Here along with James Boyd and Kevin Bowen, Mark Tichon,
I'm Jeff Rickard. We're talking about the Indianapolis Colts. They'll
have joint practices with the Packers tomorrow and then Saturday
afternoon at pre season game and joining us now. Someone
who is on the opposite end of that mark would
be our guy Stephen Holder from ESPN, who covers the
Colts as well, and he joins us on the Payless
(52:57):
Stickers hotline. Good morning, Steven Hole. Are you you've almost
made it through training camp?
Speaker 3 (53:02):
We're almost there?
Speaker 4 (53:05):
Oh my god, where do I win? Freedom?
Speaker 1 (53:09):
Freedom?
Speaker 5 (53:11):
A quarterback that Jones and Anthony Richardson.
Speaker 4 (53:13):
That's what you want, right?
Speaker 10 (53:16):
And it's not even over, So I don't even we
don't even get that. We don't even get the winner,
the outcome, right, So anyway, hopefully we get it too.
Speaker 2 (53:24):
Will it be over if we talk to you next Wednesday?
Speaker 10 (53:30):
I want to say yes, I think it should be over,
But I'm not so sure. They have done a great
job of not anything about how they feel about this.
I think that's commendable because it definitely suggests there's no
favoritism or that this isn't leaning one way or another
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in someone's head. You know, they've definitely been more backwards
to not do that. That's the coaching staff that is.
Uh So I give them credit for that, But I
think they have to have some idea. I mean, they
practice every day, They sit around for hours and meet
about how their team's performing, and go over the tape
of practice every single day. You have to have some
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sense at this point of which way this is going
if you're the coaching staff, and I think they do.
I don't think they'll I don't know that they will
tell us by this time next week, but I think
they know.
Speaker 4 (54:25):
They must know. They have enough information, but by this
point I think, okay.
Speaker 2 (54:29):
So when you say they should be over phrase that
that is not necessarily because you think one has an
overwhelming lead. It's more because August twentieth, quarterback competitions are
largely unhealthy around the NFL.
Speaker 10 (54:42):
Yeah, exactly right. Not not that it should be over
like duh, it's obvious.
Speaker 4 (54:46):
It's not obvious. I think.
Speaker 10 (54:48):
In fact, I mean, I think they're very different quarterbacks
and they've had very different camps. So Daniel Jones is
kind of who we thought he was, which is a
guy who's gonna be more efficient than Anthony Richardson but
certainly less explosive. And and maybe that's okay, right, I mean,
that may be what they want. They may want the
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steadiness Anthony Richardson less. I think less up and down.
Speaker 4 (55:15):
For sure. It's been his best training camp, and I
don't think it's close. However, Look, he's still who's who
he is.
Speaker 10 (55:20):
Right, He's not gonna be He's never gonna be some
seventy percent passer. That's just not in the cards for him.
You know, you wouldn't say right now, right, So he's
still gonna be that guy, but he's.
Speaker 4 (55:30):
Definitely gonna give you the explosiveness. I will say what
I've said on every show.
Speaker 10 (55:35):
I had this epiphany the other day, and maybe this
is obvious to people, but I'm just gonna stay it again.
I think they get to the same place no matter
who they play.
Speaker 4 (55:44):
I think this boils down to the rest of the team.
Speaker 10 (55:47):
And what I mean by that is, I think the
outcome for both guys is gonna be largely the same.
They'll just get there in different ways. And I'll leave
you with this. Go back and look at their QBR
rating from last year. I won't say identical. It's very telling,
That's all I'm saying.
Speaker 7 (56:04):
So we've heard it here first on one on seventy
five of the Fan that Stephen Holder is lobbying for
Riley Leonard to start at quarterback, for the Colts to
see something different because obviously the first two quarterbacks are
just the same, you.
Speaker 3 (56:15):
Know version that's the root of Jason Bean.
Speaker 7 (56:18):
No oh, I forgot, Yes, Jason Bean and Ry Lennard
talk here on this Wednesday morning.
Speaker 9 (56:22):
But on a.
Speaker 7 (56:23):
Serious note, Steven, when you look at these skill pusson players,
and we've seen Ady Mitchell have some moments throughout this
camp and you hear Reggie wayans to the arrows pointing up.
What is the next step for you? Is it just
seeing it on game days? Is the physicality?
Speaker 9 (56:40):
Like?
Speaker 7 (56:40):
What is it about Adie Mitchell that you need to
be convinced a little bit more about? And I would
say all of us to a degree need to be
convinced about.
Speaker 10 (56:48):
Yeah, I mean he has to do it on Sunday,
There's no question about that. If he has been notorious
for not finishing plays, and whether that's because he is
reluctant when it comes to the engaging in the contact.
Speaker 4 (57:04):
Or whether you know, whether that's a part of it
or whether it's an execution thing. I think there's been
some of both.
Speaker 10 (57:11):
I can't read his mind on the contact. But but
if you if you look at it when there's when
when catches are contested, he's not as aggressive, there's no
question about that. And then there's really just the overall
lack of concentration that we saw from him last year.
Speaker 4 (57:28):
I think back to the green Bay game.
Speaker 10 (57:29):
The green Bay game and Week two showed the entire
gamut of eighty Mitchell's problems last year, which was a
drop ball where he just turns and turns to run,
he's wide open, turns to run before he.
Speaker 4 (57:41):
Catches the ball, So that's a lack of concentration.
Speaker 10 (57:44):
Then he has another one where he doesn't really attack
the football in the air up on it, you know,
And those are those are the things that you can't do.
Speaker 4 (57:57):
He has too much.
Speaker 10 (57:58):
Talent, but that talent will never be realized if he
doesn't do all of the little things.
Speaker 4 (58:03):
It's in him. He can do it.
Speaker 10 (58:05):
But I think there's little things are gonna be what
determines really the trajectory of his career. But man, the
talent is they're salivating over it right now.
Speaker 4 (58:16):
Over there.
Speaker 1 (58:17):
I'll ask you the same question I asked Kevin and
James a little while ago. Steven, what are you most
interested in seeing other than the obvious quarterback battle this
weekend against the Packers.
Speaker 10 (58:29):
Well, I would say I want to see how this
secondary starts to come together. I mean, it's not coming
together this weekend because the presdel isn't there, but you know,
the Attricians has started to kick in there and they're
gonna have to find some depths there. So guys that
maybe we didn't plan on talking about, they're now going to.
Speaker 4 (58:50):
Have to prove something and show something. I don't know.
Speaker 10 (58:53):
Who's gonna be available come week one, but as of
right now, you know, I think, you know, we'll see
if Kenny Moore see what his status is. I don't
think it's a long term thing, but but he's down
right now.
Speaker 4 (59:04):
And then you've got two other corners Juju.
Speaker 8 (59:06):
Brins and and Jalan Johnson and Jaylan jonescuse me, and
I just wonder where's the depth gonna come from, especially
now that they've lost Justin Wally for the season. So
that is the position that notoriously you have to tap
into your depth and then and if the depth doesn't
step up, it can literally lose you games. So they
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got to step up there and figure out what their
pecking order is.
Speaker 2 (59:31):
I think Stephen Hiller's work over on ESPN ESPN dot com,
he's want to see on the payloss Slickers hotline, Steven,
it feels like on the areas of improvement lists, the
Colts feel like they are improving defensively. And I think
they'd also say they've improved at the pass catcher spot.
Speaker 3 (59:50):
Which one would you be more willing to bet on?
Playing out in that manner?
Speaker 2 (59:54):
You more bullish on the pass catchers taking a step
forward or the defense taking a step forward.
Speaker 10 (01:00:02):
I mean, I would say I like the pass catchers
last year, so I don't I don't see the steps
there being as big and and so this is not
a knock on those guys. It's more I think the
defense just had more room to grow and more need, frankly,
to grow.
Speaker 4 (01:00:20):
And to improve.
Speaker 10 (01:00:21):
Uh, that defense we saw last year, I don't think
we spent enough time talking about just how underwhelming it was.
Speaker 4 (01:00:27):
And you know, we can talk about.
Speaker 10 (01:00:29):
Some some accompanying factors like you know, the offense not
staying on the field with the factor, all those kinds
of things, but you know, personnel the factor. But but
that's all part of it. The bottom line is they
didn't get it done, and it was it was a
much bigger part of their failure last year than I
think we we want to, uh.
Speaker 4 (01:00:53):
You know, admit perhaps so.
Speaker 10 (01:00:55):
Anyway, I think that was reflected by the way they
handled the off season. You know, he saw free agency
big splashes on defense.
Speaker 4 (01:01:02):
And the draft.
Speaker 10 (01:01:03):
Certainly not the first pick, but you saw it in
the following rounds, right with J. T. T.
Speaker 4 (01:01:09):
Twoy Malow I said that terribly. Who's pretty good at that?
Is that? Right?
Speaker 10 (01:01:18):
Yeah? Anyway, I know how to say it. I just
I just can't do it and with other people listening.
And the Wally pick was obviously a suggestion that, look,
they had to get better in the secondary as well,
like free agency. So they admitted that and that's why
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they core the resources into the defense. They had to
get better and they know they had to get better.
And I actually do think that defense will have a
lot to say about what their results are this year.
If that defense is actually significantly better. The quarterback position
matters a little bit less. I'm not saying it doesn't matter.
(01:01:58):
It definitely matters, but they can make it matter a
little less. So I'm interested to see just how lets
that defense can produce. And I think the pass rush
has to come through, absolutely has to come through.
Speaker 1 (01:02:11):
Steven Holder. We appreciate you. We'll let you get back
to practicing that name, and we'll talk to you again soon.
Speaker 4 (01:02:17):
All right, talk to you soon, guys,
You're listening to the Best of the Fan Morning Show
on ninety three five and one oh seven five The Fan.
Good morning, everyone, Welcome into UH the Fan Morning Show
high top the Circle in downtown Indianapolis. The Colt's getting
ready for a weekend preseason game against the Packers. They'll
have joint practices tomorrow. But Jordan Love, who had surgery
(00:20):
on a left and ligament, gonna be out for at
least a week, they said, Kevin, so he won't be
around to play in this one.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
Malik Willis, Sean Clifford, and some dude who went to
Mark please look this.
Speaker 3 (00:34):
Up, UH.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
Wilford lorie A University.
Speaker 1 (00:41):
Wow, I don't think I've ever heard Have you ever
heard of that?
Speaker 4 (00:44):
Kevin?
Speaker 1 (00:44):
I've never heard of that.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
It's got to be made up. There's no He's one
of those people that, like does the catfishing commit on
signing day to like school that you've never heard of Will?
I don't even know if I'm saying that right. What
do you think Division III? Maybe they beat Wabashed on
the Sweet sixteen a.
Speaker 3 (01:01):
Few years ago.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
You'd think we did it.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
I'm famous, Taylor Mark if if.
Speaker 5 (01:08):
That yeah, Taylor EGGLERZMA, which sounds like a disease you
get diagnosed with at the hospital.
Speaker 1 (01:14):
So what happens to that guy in the second half
is like eleven of seventeen for one hundred and fourteen.
Speaker 3 (01:19):
Let's not go down that.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
But yeah, those are the three quarterbacks, Willis Clifford and
the dude who played at some school we've never heard
is a D three Mark.
Speaker 5 (01:26):
Uh, it's Wilford Lawyer University. I'm trying to see what
division they are. I'm trying to even see where they're going.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
Second word, lawyer, la you.
Speaker 4 (01:35):
R I e r.
Speaker 3 (01:36):
I think French on that. Yeah, okay, that's where I went.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
I guess I should go with our French expert here,
Jeff and ask him.
Speaker 1 (01:43):
I've been there for a couple of weeks. I know
everything now. That's how that hapens.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
So yeah, Unfortunately, the challenge I don't think will be
as men's gain. Green Bay rather banged up. I mean defensively,
you know, last year in that week to matchup, they
were pretty stifling. Jeff Halfley, their defensive coordinator, came over
from Boston College. He's one of those head coaches in college.
Became a coordinator in the NFL. So yeah, I mean
anytime you see somebody else, I do think it's more beneficial.
(02:08):
But unfortunately, I don't think it'll be maybe as big
of a challenge as we once thought it would be.
Speaker 5 (02:14):
That university located in Ontario.
Speaker 6 (02:16):
Well, there you go.
Speaker 3 (02:17):
That's probably why I've never heard of it, right m hm.
Speaker 1 (02:20):
Now, see we've all learned something today, JB. I'm just
curious any of you guys, Mark, are you a UFC
guy at all? Have you ever purchased any of the
pay per view or anything like that.
Speaker 5 (02:29):
No, I've been at bars where they've aired, but never
like willingly purchased.
Speaker 1 (02:32):
I've never purchased one of those of you, JB, or
been around one or gone to a party where that
was going on or anything like that.
Speaker 4 (02:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (02:37):
I've gone to a few one fights on in the background,
but I couldn't tell you a lot about UFC, just
because I'm not a huge fan of it, and usually
if I'm going to a party about it, it's because
there's good food there.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
Yeah, the pay per view days are over. As of yesterday,
Dana White and UFC signed a seven point seven billion
dollars deal apparently, and everything they do is now going
to be on Paramount.
Speaker 2 (03:02):
So Paramount is the CBS streamer. Yeah, yes, I feel
like Paramount's the one that's been last to the game.
And I could be biased here, like when I speak
from a Notre Dame standpoint, like they have air games
on Peacock for about the last probably four or five years.
I remember they almost lost a Toledo uh in a
game on Peacock. I think all the Notre Dame haters
quickly downloaded Peacock during that game. And yeah, so I
(03:25):
feel like that one has, you know, been a little
bit more prevalental. Fox Sports we're currently probably talking about
a bit of a streaming service given their new investment
in the IndyCar. But yeah, Paramount Plus, I I don't.
I mean, it's never crossed my mind to sign up
for Paramount Plus, I guess, is what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (03:40):
Land Man right on Paramount.
Speaker 3 (03:42):
Yes, that is alone.
Speaker 6 (03:46):
I watched land Man.
Speaker 5 (03:48):
See what he did there?
Speaker 3 (03:49):
Yeah, so year with Shoe Hee Otani.
Speaker 5 (03:52):
Mm hmas something you're doing.
Speaker 1 (03:57):
Something's happening there.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
Yeah, so I'll watch it any of you, Mark, Jeff,
Do you guys have Paramount Plus?
Speaker 5 (04:02):
We have it only because my sister in law has
it and we passwords to share with them.
Speaker 1 (04:06):
Yeah, but I don't.
Speaker 2 (04:07):
Really does anyone organ anyone organically pay for paramount Plus?
Speaker 1 (04:11):
Jeft never know, I don't you know?
Speaker 7 (04:14):
Sound like he was on the committee for Netflix when
they told us we couldn't share pass for I'm not.
Speaker 3 (04:18):
Gonna sit here.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
Yeah, I'm on my moral high ground here and I
don't share passwords. But what I'm getting now, it's Wendy
hit on the moral high ground. What I'm getting at
is paramunt Plus. I don't think is one that a
lot of people pay. But having said that, this deal
is huge, wasn't it north the seven billion?
Speaker 1 (04:32):
Yeah? And look, if you're somebody who regularly pays for
the pay per view events, isn't it worth it to
you to just get a streaming service?
Speaker 8 (04:39):
Now?
Speaker 1 (04:40):
Yes, I would think so maybe people who do love
the UFC and watch it all the time. One of
the things that's kept me from really ever paying much
attention to it is I just wasn't gonna pay for
the pay per view.
Speaker 5 (04:51):
Yeah, because they are any ESPN Plus, you had to
buy like the ESPN Plus subscription and then on top
of that, pay for the pay per view with that,
which is like another eighty bucks a month. I'm like,
that's insane.
Speaker 7 (05:01):
Well as the person who carries all of my family
subscriptions on my freaking back, I'm not buying anymore. So
I told you do it for grandma though, don't you Yeah,
I pay for Grandma's but everybody. So my parents like,
do we have this? I love you guys, but I
am maxed out. You have access to my max account.
My grandma has Netflix, you got Apple TV, you got
(05:23):
ESPN plus, Disney plus, I'm done, so if you want it.
My dad's like, do we have Landman?
Speaker 2 (05:27):
I have Lambman, Grandma, you will not get my only fans.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
That's late it quickly, but we already. All you're gonna
see is speedos shots of Speedos on there. Probably right she's.
Speaker 6 (05:39):
Gonna be asking who this Kevin Bowen character is.
Speaker 1 (05:41):
So it makes me wonder, though, and I want to
get everybody's thoughts and feel free to either, you know,
call us up at two three nine ten seventy or
send us a text at two three nine ten seventy
on the fan text line, I'm just curious, are we
inching closer and closer to today's where we can't even
watch the cults here at some point without having a
subscription to somebody on streaming. I don't know that five
(06:03):
or ten years from now everything is going to be
on streaming.
Speaker 3 (06:07):
Yeah, I don't think got days anytime soon. I hope, yeah,
I hope not.
Speaker 1 (06:10):
But you look at all the money that these these
streamers are investing.
Speaker 2 (06:13):
I mean, what's On's the broadcast deal come up?
Speaker 3 (06:15):
I mean, we obviously have to get to the end
of that.
Speaker 4 (06:17):
Two or three years away.
Speaker 1 (06:18):
Is that it will take a look at it.
Speaker 3 (06:20):
I have a longer brought attention deal than that.
Speaker 1 (06:22):
But the point is, like when our kids, you know,
my kids are sixteen and seventy, when they are ten
years from now, when they're twenty six, twenty seven, do
they still just get to PLoP down in front of
CBS at one o'clock on Sunday afternoon and watch the culture.
Speaker 5 (06:33):
The media rights deal is for eleven years, that the
twenty twenty three, so it's not it's definitely not two.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
Or three years away we're going I can't even imagine
ten or eleven years down the road, to be totally
honest with you, But you know, I will say from
a sports standpoint, I would say the thing that is
probably gluing together one particular entity more than any other
is March Madness in that TV deal. And when that
comes up, I want to say, it's twenty thirty two
(07:02):
when that comes up the future of college athletics. Again,
Imagining things seven years down the road seems a hair ludicrous,
but nonetheless, by.
Speaker 7 (07:10):
Then Max Bullen's gonna be trying to figure out who
do I want to go Division.
Speaker 6 (07:14):
Football?
Speaker 1 (07:15):
You no, chan By then my kids are gonna be
coming over and setting stuff up for me because I
won't be able to figure it out.
Speaker 2 (07:21):
Can you imagine what a streaming service would pay for
the rights to March Madness or something along those lines.
May so, again, we are always aways down the road, yeah, Nora, Rosie.
Speaker 3 (07:34):
And I's note though too.
Speaker 1 (07:37):
So I'm just curious, and I want to hear from
folks who love the UFC. I would think it's a
bargain for them if they've been paying for you know,
five or six times a year whatever it is, Mark.
Speaker 3 (07:48):
What's paramount a month?
Speaker 6 (07:49):
And its going to I think it's like six bucks
a month or something like.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
That, and I'm guessing it'll go up maybe that based on.
Speaker 6 (07:56):
What if you got it?
Speaker 1 (07:58):
You know you want to learned that you're not going
to share your password with me, so I know that.
Speaker 6 (08:02):
Oh no chance I cut family off though. It is
what it is.
Speaker 5 (08:06):
It says it's seven ninety nine per month and then
if you want to add it to get showtime as
well as twelve ninety nine. Yes, Aaron from Minnesota says
he gets it because a Landman and Tulsa King are tremendous.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
Oh, it's it's also the streaming service thank you here
to this tweet for a lot of the UF.
Speaker 3 (08:26):
Champions League and all that.
Speaker 5 (08:27):
Yeah, EPI on it.
Speaker 2 (08:28):
So that's probably something that I don't know a chunk
of the sports audience has.
Speaker 3 (08:33):
But that's not my cup of tea. But I totally
get a good amount of people do have that.
Speaker 1 (08:37):
Yeah, I would imagine that people. It looks it's probably
a bargain for them and Dana White doing something a
little daring. Again, I know people were lauding him for
that yesterday that they're they're stepping out. So I was
just curious what people are willing to spend. I'm curious,
do you know Mark what you spend for streaming a month.
Speaker 3 (08:55):
Yeah, Jesus, this is like, because I know it's over.
Speaker 1 (09:00):
What are doing in our house?
Speaker 5 (09:02):
YouTube TV? What is eighty two bucks a month? And
I just got the first of three installments taken out
for Sunday Ticket, which was one hundred and eight and
then yeah, good Lord Disney plus Hulu all that.
Speaker 3 (09:15):
Yeah, it's senior W two over while.
Speaker 7 (09:18):
You're at Yeah, I'm gonna you know, access to you know,
all of your last bankst.
Speaker 5 (09:23):
You do share a lot of passers. I mean say
that what we do, there's no other way we're going
to be affording all this.
Speaker 6 (09:27):
They respect. More power to you.
Speaker 7 (09:29):
I do want to pivot a bit though, when we
look at tomorrow's practice. I do know that obviously Jordan
Low will not be available Kevin, but I honestly had
to remind myself of how Malik Willis had the game
of his life against this Colts defense last year. And
I see that tongue in cheek because I was it
like a sixteen to ten game or something like that.
But from a mobility standpoint, and a I can create
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something out of nothing standpoint, I do wonder how this
linebacker group will respond to a player like him. I'm
not saying he's a great player, but someone who can
move on the run, who can you know, extend plays.
What does that mean for your linebacker core and how
do they respond to that? And I'm curious to see
what that entails because that's a group that I'm feeling
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a little more concerned about after the preseason opener, and
I'm not feeling great about going into the second preseason
game just because from a coverage standpoint, I don't know
if I can trust them.
Speaker 2 (10:27):
Yeah, I thought, run game wise, that group got torched
in that first half of the Baltimore game.
Speaker 6 (10:32):
And again, Malik gives you some of that run elements.
Speaker 7 (10:34):
So I'm like, between the run and the coverage is
like the duel threat quarterback the guy. Obviously, I mean
in theory, they're gonna cause fits for every defense, but
for your defense in particular, will it become even more
apparent like, man, maybe we need some other players at
that spot.
Speaker 2 (10:49):
Yeah, you know, I'm trying to think from a schedule standpoint,
I don't know, Kyler Murray comes to mind. I mean,
there's not a ton if I remember correctly on.
Speaker 3 (10:56):
This year's slate.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
Yeah, I'll obviously see how things you know play out
because you know one injury, I e. Jordan Love to
Malik Willis, and stylistically it's a vastly different quarterback than
what you're used to. Love is definitely more of a
pocket passer than Willis. So boy, I honestly, when I
saw that news yesterday and I realized Malik Willis was
the starter, it just brought up so many bad memories
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a week two and again to your point, it's not
like Malik Willis sliced and diced you to three hundred yards.
But if I remember correctly, like Josh Jacobs just ran
all over the Colts in the first half. They protected
Malik Willis like no other and he had a couple
of like nice passes and that was it. And then
their defense was stifling. And you know, for those that
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misremember last year, remember we had the Packers and Eagles
play in Brazil on that Friday night of opening weekend.
Jordan Love gets hurt like on one of the last
plays of the game, like a flukeale Mary. He gets
hurt on and I'm watching it. The game was largely over.
This is like midnight, and I'm watching that play, I'm like,
what a break? The Colts just got Jordan Love just
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gets hurt on a you know, very non consequential play
and then boom, next thing. You know, Week two rolls
around and the Packers get the last laugh and the
Colts start zero and two, and you know, for seemingly
the upteenth season in a row, you're climbing uphill again. Defensively,
it seems like green Bay is in a better health situation,
so evaluation wise, that should be key, or at least
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a little bit more of an accurate evaluation for the
Colts there.
Speaker 3 (12:29):
So again, this is it tomorrow Grand Park, three o'clock.
Speaker 2 (12:32):
That will be the final joint practice and then we'll
obviously see the Colts starters for around a quarter. It
sounds like Anthony Richardson a little bit longer coming up
Saturday afternoon, and the plan for Matt Lafleur and Green
Bay is they will not play their starters, you know.
Speaker 1 (12:47):
And you talk about little PTSD for Colts fans last year.
That's why Gus Bradley's not around. Losing to leak willis
losing two the Giants and the backup quarterback that they
had rolling in with Drew Locke and getting rolled over
with the running game and a lot of things they've
done in the offseason, particularly in the secondary James to
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try and fix that and then bring it in on Rumo.
And from that perspective, I can see why some Colts
fans might be a little more optimistic that they're going
to win a game or two more than than.
Speaker 4 (13:16):
One last year.
Speaker 7 (13:18):
Yeah, and then I think you look at the quarterback playing,
You're like, are you sure? Because it always comes down
to the quarterback. I mean, unless the defense is going
to score a bunch of touchdowns for him, they'll need
either QB to step up and have probably a much
better year, well not probably, certainly a much better year
than they had last year to have any type of success.
Speaker 2 (13:37):
You think completion percentage matters James and training camp?
Speaker 6 (13:41):
In training camp, yes to a degree. I'm not going
to like a loose sleep over it.
Speaker 7 (13:49):
But well, can I give a cop out answer and
say it depends on who you're talking about, because if
you're telling me.
Speaker 3 (13:55):
Well, I don't know, expand on that a little.
Speaker 7 (13:57):
If you tell me, oh my gosh, Patrick will home
this completion of percentage in training camp this year is.
Speaker 6 (14:04):
Fifty. I couldn't. I couldn't care less.
Speaker 7 (14:08):
If you tell me to anthy Richison the politioner percentage
in training camp is not good, I'll probably be thinking, okay,
well is he making any progress? So that maybe I
read more into it depending on who the player is,
but I'm still not like too beholden to it as
a stat in training camp, mainly because it's also I mean,
do we even keep official stats?
Speaker 6 (14:26):
Can't we keep official stats? Then we're gonna show us
So I don't know.
Speaker 3 (14:30):
Yeah, it's inter question that I threw Jim Bob Cooter's way.
Speaker 7 (14:33):
I saw you closing up to him, I said, who
Kevin's on his PI? Well, detective work. He had, he
had the hat on, he had the sunglasses. He was
basically saying, like, I saw you out, you know, late late,
late at night.
Speaker 2 (14:42):
Least in front of everybody. But they were kind of
a logjam of people.
Speaker 6 (14:46):
I dit it's a bad move. I've learned it myself now.
Speaker 2 (14:48):
They asked if I could do that one off to
the side, So basically he said something the effect of
how you just kind of let off like it does matter,
but it's not the end all be all, Okay, It's
something that they do emphasize. They try not to overemphasize
it though, And he brought up a statement here of like,
if you want to as a quarterback, you can kind
of artificially boost that number, you can inflate it. So
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I would ask this to you, do you think Daniel
Jones is artificially boosting his completion percentage? Like do you
think he's not testing things in camp? Or is this
just who Daniel Jones as a quarterback.
Speaker 1 (15:26):
I feel like having watched him with the Giants over
the last several years, it's kind of who he is
as a quarterback. He doesn't push the ball downfield. He
will take the safe, easy throw, which is fine except
that you don't move the sticks all the time. And
that's kind of been who Daniel Jones has been the
last couple of years. What do you think James, Because.
Speaker 2 (15:44):
He's about I don't know, eight or nine percent higher
than Richardson in camp if you want to get into
the unofficial numbers, I don't know, sixty sixty one for Richardson,
I think Jones is close to seventy.
Speaker 7 (15:57):
Yeah, I mean, I think Jones is a more efficient player,
so by default he's going to have the numbers kind
of be inflated in his favor in that regard, So.
Speaker 6 (16:09):
For him, I again I look at.
Speaker 7 (16:10):
The quarterback more so than like the police of percentage
depending on who it is. So for Dale Jones, the
completion percentage to me might not matter as much just
because I know you can, you know, get the ball
to the receiver. It's can you do it and move
us down the field. As I've said throughout these recent shows,
you can't dink and dunk your way to the playoffs.
I don't care what anybody says. You can tell me, oh,
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he completes eighty percent of his passes, do they go anywhere?
Speaker 6 (16:35):
Because if you do that.
Speaker 7 (16:36):
Long enough against good defenses, you're going to lose a
lot of football games. So I don't know, that's a
good question.
Speaker 1 (16:44):
It's fan morning show. You're at the ninety three five
one seventy fan get back to us.
Speaker 6 (16:48):
Ken's got me like a philosophy calr.
Speaker 2 (16:52):
This, you know, when we get into the regular season,
I think pretty universally, Frank Raik for example, definitely Shane
Stikeen as well. The yards per attempt stat is one
that I think a lot of NFL coaches, particularly offensive minds,
will say that's a pretty good stat to evaluate quarterbacks on.
Speaker 6 (17:09):
I think it's a better indicator in my brain of
your success.
Speaker 2 (17:12):
We don't all have that in training and again, nothing's
perfect in training camp.
Speaker 3 (17:15):
By no me, I mean trust me. There are times
where I'm like.
Speaker 6 (17:18):
I trust your official stats anybody else or not.
Speaker 2 (17:20):
You know, are you counting that as a completion or
are you not counting that as a completion. So, you
know a lot of people poke fun at you know,
why are you keeping training camp stats? And I get
why people look at it skeptically from the outside, So
I was curious. I was like, okay, you know, here's
Jim Bob Couter. For example, he called all the place
Thursday and practice Shane Steke and was like the ref
with the megaphone, and Jim Bob Couter was a play caller.
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I'm like, okay, to the play caller, it doesn't matter.
It sounds like it does. It's not gospel, it's not everything,
but it does sound like it matters a bit here.
And you know, this kind of comes back to I
think the general question that Shane Steiken probably has to
sit there and ask himself at night, can I win
with a game manager? That's largely what you'd be going
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to with Daniel Jones. You obviously hope his turnover numbers
would come down. But are you sitting here saying, wait
a minute. We have one of the best running backs
in the league. We have a first round pick, a
tight end. Of our top four wideouts, all of them
were taken in the first what three rounds? We have
an offensive line that we feel like is one of
the better units in the league. Given the ten you
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have around that quarterback, there's probably a little bit of
a thought to Shane Sikins, like, man, if we can
just again get someone that keeps us afloat, now, is
that enough? Or is your defense once again going to
be a bottom third unit in scoring defense and you
know you're gonna need more from the quarterback position. I
think that is the internal battle Shane Stiken has and
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trying to sit here and say, all right, what do
we need at quarterback in my third NFL season as
head coach?
Speaker 1 (18:53):
Just curious knowing that they're going to reverse the roles
because Anthony Richardson injury last week. When do you think
we get a nod at starting quarterback? Any Wait till
after the third preseason game or does somebody take a
step forward this weekend?
Speaker 6 (19:12):
When did they announce it?
Speaker 7 (19:13):
Yeah, I would think they have to do it after
this game. I would do it after this game personally,
because at some point you got to just walk into
your locker room and tell your guys who you're rolling with.
And I think two preseason games is enough of a
simple size, and in that third game you probably want
to have it figured out. Someone's on everyone's on the
same page. I still probably play my guys, as Kevin
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alluded to, I believe yesterday. So yeah, I think after
this week he should probably announce the starter.
Speaker 2 (19:40):
Yeah, yeah, that's That's probably where I'm at as well. Again,
we will not see any practices moving forward after tomorrow.
Speaker 3 (19:48):
Tomorrow is our fine. I mean we will see what
stretching and.
Speaker 7 (19:51):
Does it Kevin, use your hype brother and look over
the fences at what do we What am I paying
you for a one seventy five to the fanal individual period?
Speaker 3 (19:57):
James is like boosting me up into the trees to watch.
Speaker 2 (20:02):
Maybe I can have Rick Carlisle just fly me over
the Eagle Airport, will be one of.
Speaker 6 (20:06):
Those trench coaches. Wait, why I get on your shoulders.
Speaker 7 (20:08):
I get the glasses and the mustache and repet you you.
Speaker 1 (20:11):
Interlock your hands and let him put his foot on
there and then boost him up over the fence.
Speaker 5 (20:15):
There be like andy defrain and like dig yourself in
just like the ground.
Speaker 1 (20:20):
There's multiple ways to do thisnes how about Thrones?
Speaker 3 (20:24):
Yeah, to James's point, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (20:26):
I get a little vibe from Shane that he would
like to have this done this time next ones.
Speaker 3 (20:32):
Yeah, but yeah, know.
Speaker 2 (20:34):
This is where it gets back to, Okay, what if
Anthony Richardson comes out and has a very blah performance
on Saturday?
Speaker 3 (20:42):
Can you really name him the starter after that?
Speaker 6 (20:44):
I wouldn't if he came out and had a.
Speaker 2 (20:47):
Horrible dame, what do you do next Saturday? Are you
playing them each a quarter against Cincinnati? Are you continuing
through the preseason game. It's just you know, probably once
you get through they will still I assume can mp
it up a little bit like Tuesday Wednesday at practice
next week. Right again, we won't watch it for the
full allotment that we're allowed to.
Speaker 3 (21:08):
Now, but.
Speaker 2 (21:10):
He's got room on the schedule, I guess, is what
I'm saying to probably do it for one more week,
then the Miami stuff really takes center stage. Of all right,
you gotta start preparing for week one. You know, we're
less than two weeks away from rosters, so if he
would like the schedule wise, he could probably keep it
going for another week. But again, from a let's commit
to someone, let's give them three weeks of the full
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starting reps, that probably is something he would like to
entertain as well.
Speaker 1 (21:35):
Yeah, it kind of feels like though. Still then unless
Daniel Jones does something special in Anthony Richardson is just
awful awful, it still feels like it's Ar's job to lose.
I know we've talked about that a little bit, but.
Speaker 7 (21:48):
Is it that big of I was gonna say, I
don't feel that way necessarily. No, what do you feel
I've been saying on the show the last couple of days.
It's closer than people think it is. And I think
that they could absolutely start Daniel Jones, especially if Anthony
has a bad game that's looking Saturday.
Speaker 1 (22:00):
But deep down, don't you think they want Anthony Richardson
to win this competition? They need him to win this competition?
Speaker 9 (22:06):
Eh?
Speaker 6 (22:07):
I think self preservation kicks in at some point. I
really do think that.
Speaker 7 (22:11):
I think that you can want it, and you can
wish it all you want to. But if this dude
comes out against the Three Bay Packers and he plays
the most of the first half and he looks bad
or he gets injured again, there's gonna be serious conversations about, Okay,
do we actually play this guy. I understand the upside
where he was drafted, but self preservation will kick in
at some point. Everyone's gonna have to come to the
conversation of saying, do we want to marry our futures
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in our job ten years to Anthony Richardson And if
the answer is no, then you start the other guy.
Speaker 1 (22:40):
It's gonna be fascinating to watch it play out. But again,
we'll have a joint practice tomorrow Cults and Packers. As
you point out, Kevin, that's the last chance that anybody
publicly gets to see the Cults practice for a while.
That's it.
Speaker 2 (22:51):
That is it earlier end to training camp than usual.
So yeah, August fourteenth, it is about what is it
twelve thirteen days?
Speaker 3 (22:57):
I think something like that.
Speaker 2 (22:58):
If you add him all up at Grand Park. So yes,
tomorrow is it from an open practice standpoint, and I
guess for those that have come across tickets or are
trying to go, I thought it was sold out. I
believe this is one of those premium practices. I think
it does cause like five or ten bucks to all
proceeds I believe go to the Flag Football Association. So
just a little FYI there.
Speaker 5 (23:18):
Last time to get your bucket hat signed by James Boyd.
I want at least two sides tomorrow.
Speaker 6 (23:22):
I don't want to be damaging any more.
Speaker 7 (23:25):
You know, equipment out there for you know, protect yourself
from the sun and not my signifaure two.
Speaker 5 (23:29):
Signs of a bucket hat for James, and I want
Kevin to get someone bring Kevin another kool Aid package.
Speaker 3 (23:35):
Yeah, Blue Power Aid.
Speaker 2 (23:37):
The man in the Florida shirt, I forget his name.
That was so just nice of him to bring that
clutch with old blue Power Aid. It probably started all
this drama we've had over the past few weeks.
Speaker 5 (23:46):
You are very crotchety about all that, all.
Speaker 1 (23:49):
Right, coming up in a minute, the head coach of
the Indiana Pacers, Rick Carlisle, stops by. The guys will
have a chat with him about his summer and what's
going on there. We'll talk about his thoughts on the
opener against the old Coloma City Thunder and everything else
Pacers as we continue next. It's ninety three five and
one a seven.
Speaker 2 (24:04):
Five the fan, and he had the coldest looking blue
power rate I've ever seen, and I mean my mouth
was watering. I mean, I thought to myself, that thing
looks immaculate. I want that thing, just mark, go ahead
and clip it out. I mean, that just looks beautiful. Well,
good Wednesday morning to you. A little overnight rain will
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greet you if you haven't been outside this morning. Looks
to be decent temperature wise, if you haven't made to
the State Fair or one more colts training camp practice
coming up tomorrow shouldn't be two too hots. But let's
head to the payloss lookers hotline right now. The NBA
schedule gets fully announced coming up tomorrow. We did see
opening night inside a gamebridge Field House announced yesterday it
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will be Pacers and Thunder coming up, a nationally televised game.
And to talk more about that. He is the head
coach of the Indiana Pacers. Our summer chat if you will,
Instead of Tuesdays at eight, how about Wednesday at eight.
He is Rick Carlisle coach. Happy summer. Good morning to you.
Speaker 3 (25:05):
How are you.
Speaker 4 (25:06):
I'm all right, what's happening.
Speaker 5 (25:08):
We're living life.
Speaker 2 (25:10):
I before we get into maybe some basketball conbo, what's uh,
what's been on the summer agenda for you? Any any
great trips anything you've looked forward to doing this summer
that you've gotten accomplished.
Speaker 9 (25:23):
Uh? Yeah, some some moving around to different places. But
it's it's been good. And you know, it's a very
short summer, obviously, because when you play the last thing,
you play your last game of the season on the
last possible day of the finals. It's, uh, the summer
is pretty short.
Speaker 3 (25:45):
I mean to ask you this.
Speaker 2 (25:46):
And and I don't know if you met moving around,
have you met within the Indie area, But when you
have been in Indy obviously you were, you know, the
head coach a couple of decades agoing. Now, have you
always lived in the same area or do you have
a particular like a part of that you really enjoy.
Speaker 9 (26:03):
Well, we've lived in three different parts of town. When
I was first there as an assistant, we lived in
a pocket of homes called Golden Hill, which was down
kind of adjacent to Woodstock Country Club. It's kind of
like thirty eighth and Martin Luther King area. It's a
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kind of an eclectic group of homes that's older.
Speaker 4 (26:28):
That's pretty cool.
Speaker 9 (26:29):
And interestingly, when I came in nineteen ninety seven to
work with Larry Bird, Dick Harder also came with us,
and we ended up buying a house that Dick Harder
and his wife Mary had lived in when he was
an assistant coach with Jack Ramsey in the mid eighties,
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and so it was kind of a coincidental thing. And
the house also had been owned at one time by
former Mayor Hudnutt. The house had some interesting history. The
second time we were in the forty fourth and Penn area,
I guess it's Merdy and Kessler, and then you know,
now we're up north in the Carmel area, so uh yeah,
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I'm mixing it up. But I've enjoyed all three, all
three spots.
Speaker 6 (27:18):
Where can be pilot lessons.
Speaker 9 (27:19):
As of late, I've I've flown a little bit, but no,
no lessons. I'm not I'm not current right now. I've
got a few I've got a few jet hours this summer,
but that's that simply means sitting in the left seat
with a highly trained instructor on my in the right
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in the right seat, and you know, I'm doing the controls.
I'm doing take offs and landings and stuff like that.
And uh, you know I could do that stuff, but
I certainly would not be doing it by myself.
Speaker 6 (27:55):
I respect that. I respect that.
Speaker 7 (27:57):
Pivoting more to the basketball side of things, we see
that ty Reese is making some progress throughout his Achilles
rehab and I believe he'll be out of the boot
fairly soon, if he isn't already. So have you spoken
to him recently? And where is he at in his
recovery just mentally and physically right now.
Speaker 9 (28:15):
Yeah, I have spoken to him recently. I've spoken to
him quite a few times this summer. He's in he's
in great spirits. He's just you know, he always has
a positive outlook on things. And you guys saw where
he and his girlfriend Jay got engaged. That was pretty
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spectacular event that you know, they head over social media,
which is pretty cool. That happened up in uh in
ames Iowa at their alma mater, and that was a
complete surprise. But he pulled it off there in Grand fashion,
So congrats to them, But this is I don't know,
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this is all going by fast. You know, it's been
a month and a half half already, maybe even a
little more than that. And the thing's gonna fly by.
This season coming up is gonna fly by. You know,
time is is flying by, and before you know it,
he'll be back, you know. And uh, things are still
cutting edge down in the medical world that these guys
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you know now now don't just recover from this kind
of injury. They they would make a full, full recovery.
And so we're seeing it with Isaiah Jackson and James Wiseman.
Those guys have been really busting their butts, you know
during their entire rehab. And yesterday, Uh, Isaiah did some
five on five work in the gym and he's doing
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real well. And Wiseman is you know, they're they're right
about neck and neck in terms of where their recovery
is at. Wiseman maybe slightly ahead, you know, because his
surgery I think was eight or ten days ahead of Isaiah's.
But but the hope is that those guys will be
ready to go com training camp.
Speaker 2 (30:01):
So summer chat with Rick Carlisle normally Tuesdays at eight.
It is a Wednesday morning, and we appreciate the coach
hopping on with us here. Really enjoyed you with Caitlin
Cooper on her podcast last week, Coach, and in that
you mentioned to her that, you know, at different times
this summer you've had people either randomly contact you or
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just come up to you and say, how really inspirational
the run was all the way to the finals into
Game seven last year. Do you think, like anything in
particular is why that run has stood out to so
many people, not I guess just purely Pacer fans, Like,
was there an element Have people shared with you a
particular reason why it's that run that has felt you know,
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people the need or the urge I guess to go
up to you and and and say that.
Speaker 9 (30:51):
Yeah, you know when you run into you know, civilians,
non you know, non NBA people, they just you know,
they just talk about you know, these are word inspired.
You know, it was it was inspirational, and you know,
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it just restored my faith in the NBA. Here's some
things like that, you know, like to see a team
play that hard and that together and all that and
this is this is all the credit goes to the
players for this, and so you know, talking to NBA people,
you know, running into people in Vegas. I was at
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a zoom a couple of days ago with our executive
committee of the Coaches Association, along with some members of
the Competition committee. And and in fact, I ran into
an assistant coach with one of the Eastern Conference teams
about five days ago down here where we are in
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South Carolina, and and he said, you know, you got
you guys, You guys are change the game, changing the
way game is played, the full court pressure, the way
people are looking at roster construction, all that kind of stuff,
and so, uh, and I've gotten that comment or sentiment
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on several occasions. And so obviously our fans should be
very proud, our players should be very proud. You know,
myself and the coaching staff is is proud. But you know,
the work is, the work goes on and it never
gets easier. And to to set a standard is one thing.
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To maintain a standard and then and then work to
uh increase that standard is is something totally different.
Speaker 2 (32:45):
You obviously have to live in a world where pretty
soon you got to fully fully turn the page.
Speaker 3 (32:49):
And maybe already have.
Speaker 2 (32:50):
But have you found yourself at any point in this
offseason going back and watching any part of that run,
or maybe thinking back on any part of it that
really stands out to you.
Speaker 3 (33:01):
I mean so many games.
Speaker 2 (33:02):
I was talking with somebody yesterday about it, and it's like,
it wasn't just that you got to Game seven.
Speaker 3 (33:07):
It was really cinema.
Speaker 2 (33:08):
It was like Hollywood type eight points to nine seconds.
It seemingly happened a handful of times throughout that run.
Have you gone back and watched any of it, anything
stand out or is it fully turned the page?
Speaker 9 (33:23):
Yeah? I watched. I did not watch, well, I should
say I watched. I watched the beginning of Game seven.
I watched the first I guess it was four and
a half minutes where Tyree shipping his third three and
they called time out and I just shut it off there.
(33:45):
I didn't really want to see anymore. But you know,
you watch all the games obviously, you know, as you
go through that, and I thought back to it. You know,
there have been some things I looked at this summer,
you know, when we acquired Jay Hoffe, I went back
and looked at some of the minutes where he played
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against US when he's a Memphis because we played them
also in a preseason game last year, and so yeah,
I mean it's that, but I'm I'm usually pretty good
at turning the page and and moving forward. You know.
It's if things if things do end in a difficult way,
which this did, it's it's just is uh, it's it's
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just to me. It's it's this great motivation to jump
into the next thing. And so the next thing is
is a year where you know there's going to be
amazing opportunity for our team, our guys. You know, expectations
around the world, around the NBA world are going to
be significantly lower. I think we've seen that with some
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of the Vegas predictions on wins and all that kind
of stuff. But this is that's why we played the games,
you know, so we're looking forward to it.
Speaker 7 (34:56):
Rick Carlisle, head coach of the Pacers, joined us from
the Paylos Sickers Hig Line. Rick, you appeared on Kellen
Cooper's podcast what you Already talked about, But in that
same podcast, you mentioned that the starting two guard position
is Benedigt matherins to lose, and you mentioned that he's
a natural scorer and within that answer. You also mention
that he's that he can score and get budgets in
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a rat game. And we're asking, I think last week,
what is a rat game? Number one and then number two?
What do you see this? How do you use this
opportunity for bending matheren?
Speaker 9 (35:28):
Well, first of all, if you guys are not subscribed
to basketball, she wrote on Patreon, you're making a big mistake.
In fact, for this, I might even I might even
pay for both of your subscriptions. I have such great
belief that this would be as knowledgeable as you guys are.
(35:48):
This would this would increase your knowledge of the NBA
and particularly the Pacers in an exponential fashion. I mean,
what Caitlin is doing with her site is really is
really amazing. The detail, you know, the writing mentioned on
the podcast that you know, she's been approached by multiple
(36:09):
NBA teams that have tried to hire her, but she
is she stayed true to her mission, which is to
uh study the Pacers at the most meticulous level. She
loves writing, and she's a great writer. And you know,
every time we play a game, there's a there's a
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story that comes out. If you subscribe to her site,
it comes out it comes directly to your email and
then usually there's a podcast that follows, you know. So
I'm I'm really, I'm really in awe of what she's
doing there, and so I would encourage you guys to subscribe,
or anyone to subscribe for that matter.
Speaker 4 (36:50):
Anyway.
Speaker 9 (36:51):
Yeah, so the question about Ben, Yeah, you know, Ben,
it's important to Ben that to be a starter. I
know that. You know, he's told me that. You guys
can see that, you know, with the way that he plays.
So yeah, it's you know, why why wait? You know
he's the starter on day one. You know. The the
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caveat to that is that he's got to continue to
move his game in the direction of being a highly
functioning part of the Indiana Pacers. And that's gonna that's
going to mean that he's got to continue to play
faster and faster. He's got to run faster, run harder.
He's got to he's got to play off with quick decisions.
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He's going to be guarding a lot of great players,
you know, and you think about it with Tyree's being
out this year and Nemhar the starting point, so you know,
Andrew Nemar guarded the best perimeter player almost always is
either here Anie Smith. But you know, with with Tyres out,
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you know Andrew, it's going to put him on different
matchups sort of organically. And now Ben is going to
be guarding guys that are better players. So this will
be a great challenge. You know, Ben told us when
when he was drafted that he wanted to be coach hard,
he wanted to be great, you know, and and and everything,
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and uh and I've always took him at his word.
You know, we have high standards for him. But he's gotta,
he's gotta, he's gotta, he's got to keep he's got
to keep pushing it. He's got to keep pushing it.
You know, his gifts are pretty clear. I mean, he's
a great transition player. He shoots the ball long range
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with ease. I mean he shoots the ball from thirty
five feet, you know, just just he could just pop
up and just you know, flip in a jump shot.
And so you know, those those are the big strengths
to his offensive game. And so you know the situations
where he at times gets into trouble, driving into crowd
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stuff like that, you know that stuff's got to go away,
and we're going to work with him hard on that
he's having a great summer. He's busting his body, he's
gonna he's actually up in I think he's in Toronto
right now spending time with Team Canada. I don't think
he's participating in the World Championships, but he's there. And
(39:21):
I don't know that he's participating in the workouts, but
he is there watching. If he's not participating, and and
he's uh, I believe you know, I would certainly have
to believe that he's a big part of Team Canada's future.
So anyway, all good stuff on Ben Mathern. I know
that Kevin is the president of the Ben Mathern Fan Club, indeed,
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and so uh so it's so there, So there we go.
And so as president of the fan club, you should
you should be pushing all the all of your all
of your members to uh to hit him on social
media about the things that he needs to do to
continue to work to be great.
Speaker 2 (40:00):
If that's to the top of the monthly meeting coming
up here next week, well, I will say this fort
I subscribe to basketball. She wrote, actually have a shirt
as well. Caitlin Cooper so been a long time subscriber.
For probably over a year and a half or two
years at this point. And one quick follow up, what
is a rat game?
Speaker 7 (40:14):
Can We were debating this last week and we have
no idea how you view that or what that means.
Speaker 9 (40:21):
Yeah, I mean, no disrespect to rats, but yeah, it's
a it's a term. It's a term to me that means.
Let let's say you're playing a team that's a very
hard playing, physical team that does a lot of switching
and does a lot of things to junk up the game,
(40:41):
and it's just gonna be it's gonna be a game
that looks like it's a little detached and a little
clunky on a lot of on a lot of levels.
I mean, he's a guy that is in the in
the flow or non flow of a game like that.
He's gonna find is to get the ball in the
basket and get to the free throw line. And it's
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a it's really it's a great compliment to him. And
so you know, look, we saw it a little bit
in game seven of the of the finals. I mean
it was physical, there was a lot of switching, and
he ended up being our leading scorer in the finals.
But you know, we don't we don't want to see
a bunch of games where he's the leading scorer and
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we lose. You know, we we we want him to
keep developing the acumen to be a great scorer, but
to be but to be a part of the team's
success and to you know, meld those ability, those individual
abilities with the the style that our that our team
(41:44):
has developed, which so many people have become smitten with.
Speaker 2 (41:48):
Uh with the important caveat of no disrespect to rats
Rick Carlisle with us here on the Payless Slickers htlines
just a few more minutes. We appreciate the Pacers head
coach joined us here for a summer combo. This is
our first chat since really, I guess right after the playoffs,
and obviously the first big bit of news in the
offseason was Miles Turner joining the Bucks.
Speaker 3 (42:10):
Were you as stunned?
Speaker 2 (42:10):
Does it sounded like Kevin Pritchard was when he found
out that news.
Speaker 4 (42:15):
Yeah, I was.
Speaker 9 (42:16):
I was surprised. I was surprised. But it's pretty clear
what happened. You know, Milwaukee found a way to come
up with enough cap space in a very short period
of time. It's my guess that they did all this.
You know, they did it by waving Lillard and stretching
him and all that kind of stuff created whatever it was,
(42:38):
twenty some million extra in space. And and I think
what I think what happened was, you know, they they
talked to Miles of the Agent or Miles the end
of agent and said, look, we have this offer. This
is a number, you know, presumably a number that you
guys are trying to get to. We need to know
(43:00):
that if we offer this, you guys are gonna take
it and you can't stop it, you know. And that's
that's a that's a frequent you know, a tactic of negotiation.
And so pretty clearly they they took they took the offer.
It's they're right to do it. Will certainly, miss Miles.
(43:23):
I know that there were a lot of there was
a lot of talk about, you know, some of the
some of the things that he said as he left,
But I just I just feel, look, we're going to
give Miles the benefit of the doubt on all that stuff.
The guy is the guy was a was a pacer
through and through for ten years. He lived and breathed
(43:44):
that he disregarded trade rumors, you know, when they when
they happened, he was all about. He was all about
in the end all the time. Sometimes things in the
business aspect of basketball because super dynamic and nuclear, and
they happen on a you know, on they turn on
(44:07):
a dime. But you know, everything that Kevin Pritchard said
is absolutely true. This this this franchise was was ready
to go as far to the tax as we needed
to keep him. But you know, things can change quickly.
Speaker 4 (44:25):
They did.
Speaker 9 (44:26):
He's moved on. It's a division rival, so there's always
gonna be plenty to talk about there. But Kevin and
Chad were able to acquire Jay Huff, who's certainly not
the experienced level mouse turner, is not the exact same
kind of player, but he can make threes, and he
can protect and protect the rim, and he can do
(44:47):
some other things that are strengths of his and so
we feel like he's a piece that can that can
work for us. We don't know exactly who's going to
start at five, but I've had seasons where I've had
three centers and pretty much consistently played three centers every game.
It was I think it was two thousand and thirteen
(45:10):
fourteen with the Dallas Mavericks. Sam Dallen Bear was our starter,
Dwan Blair and Brandon Wright played back up, and there
were way more games many There were way more games
than there weren't where all three of those guys played.
And so, you know, maybe the center position is more
(45:31):
of a Swiss army knife type thing. We'll have to see.
But we have we have Huff, we have Isaiah Jackson,
we have Wiseman. Tony Bradley's going to be in camp.
So there's four guys that are going to be slugging
it out for the you know, presumably three center spots.
So as we get into it, we'll see what's what.
But you know, nothing but love from from my perspective,
(45:54):
from on Miles Turner. I had a really nice, nice
conversation with him after, you know, after he made the
decision to leave, and what a lovable guy. So we'll
miss him.
Speaker 2 (46:08):
Last one, coach, and again thank you for the time.
Unfortunately we didn't get to see him late in that
playoff run due to injury, but certainly minutes now with
that second unit with Benedict going to the starting lineup
are there for a guy like Jarris Walker. How is
he doing health wise and where do you want to
see growth for him entering I believe his third season.
Speaker 9 (46:31):
Yeah, his health is good right now. You know that
that was a serious injury that he suffered in Game six,
And I think it's important to note that Jared's had
a very productive year. He played I think over fifteen
and a half minutes a game. You know, he played
(46:53):
very effectively during certain stretches of the playoffs. He was
a big factor in Game four at Milwaukee, where you know,
we were able to get ourselves in a position to
steal a road game. That was a that was a
big deal. And you know, he played well throughout the year.
And so the big things for him are going to
(47:14):
be conditioning, motor, toughness, rebounding defense, and in a real
high degree of understanding of the importance of possession of
the ball. And that's not just him, that's everybody. I think.
With what we're going into this year, you know we're
(47:35):
going to be without a.
Speaker 4 (47:36):
Guy in Tyree.
Speaker 9 (47:37):
Who's historically great with his ability to do amazing things
on the basketball floor, creating pace, scoring, getting the ball
to the rim, hitting floaters, throwing it ahead to teammates,
getting assists, and with the uage rate that he has.
(48:02):
His ability to have security with the ball and not
turn the ball over is like you know, has been
has been historic and so our team is going to
have to really develop an even greater understanding and appreciation
of the importance of possession. But in a year like
(48:23):
this that we have coming up, Jarus is a very
important guy because he can play multiple positions really including
point guard. I mean, you know, he handles the ball
that well, but I want I want to see him
be able to get a rebound at one end and
put on the burners and go coast to coast with
(48:43):
speed and attack the rim at the other I think
he has the ability to do that. So I know
he's working on those those that those things along with
a lot of other things. But it took him a
good two months before he was back on the court
going one hundred percent, and so, uh, it's going to
be an active end of the summer for him. But
(49:06):
you know, he's people should be excited. People should be
excited about Johnny Furfey. After watching him in the Summer League.
I think Furby is another guy. You know, he's he's
a lot like Ben Sheppard. He's a he's a he's
a seamless fit into our our system. He runs, he rebounds,
he passes it, he moves it. He's a great cutter.
(49:29):
He doesn't need the ball to be effective, you know.
And he's, uh, he's a lunch pale guy. Man. He's
he's going to work so and some of the stuff
that that he did in the Summer League, you know,
some of the dunks. You guys saw those pretty cool,
pretty pretty pretty awesome stuff. And so he's become a
fan favorite. And then we've got the two rookies. You know,
we've got Peter and and Jones. We like those guys
(49:52):
a lot. Both of them improved as the Summer League
went on. So a lot of opportunity, you know, a
lot of excitement from my perspective. We'll see what the
schedule shows tomorrow. The good news is on opening night,
we at least we get Oklahoma City in a back
to back. You know, they're getting they're getting their rings
the night before, and so we'll have to try to
(50:13):
figure out a way to take advantage of that.
Speaker 6 (50:16):
Last last one.
Speaker 2 (50:17):
Then again, we appreciate the time. What's left about a
month ish to go in the off seasons or anything.
You're looking forward to away from the floor before training
camp starts up. I assume late September.
Speaker 9 (50:30):
Well, Abby Carlisle arrives tonight down here where we are,
and she spent the summer taking some summer classes in
New York City at NYU, and so she'll be down
here for a week or so, and then we'll drive
her down to uh I should say, up to Charlottesville,
and we'll spend the time there and then eventually meander
(50:53):
back to Indianapolis, where we're really looking forward to getting
back and getting going. But yeah, it's it's been it's
been quite a year. If you go back a full
year to you know where we are now. So you know,
we're mid August. You think about mid August twenty twenty four,
(51:14):
and you know the way everybody looked at last season,
you know, coming off the conference finals, there was anticipation,
and then you know, we got into the season and
then it was we were ten and fifteen and we
were banged up, and you know, it was didn't seem
to be a whole lot of good stuff happening. And
then you know, we started to get healthy and and
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you know, Nemar came back and you know, we we
went from there. We won three games on the on
the road to to get to five hundred at Christmas,
pretty much a similar thing we did in the previous year,
and then a lot of great things happened. So this
year is is another mystery at this point, but we're
(51:59):
looking forward to put the beasts together.
Speaker 2 (52:00):
Well, we got this text during the convos said, please
tell Rick this run inspired me and my group of
friends to get back in the gym and start hooping again.
So the inspiration is impacted the local men's leagues here
in the great state of Indiana. Coach enjoyed the time
with Abby Safe travels back up here a little bit
later in September, and I greatly appreciate the time.
Speaker 3 (52:21):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (52:22):
Cheers, guys, stick care, Rick Carlisle right there on the
Paylessliquers hotline, no disrespect to rats, and plenty of other
takeaways we've got from that combo. We'll do it on
the other side. It is the Fantom Morning.
Speaker 4 (52:35):
Good morning, welcome to your Houp day.
Speaker 1 (52:37):
Here along with James Boyd and Kevin Bowen, Mark Tichon,
I'm Jeff Rickard. We're talking about the Indianapolis Colts. They'll
have joint practices with the Packers tomorrow and then Saturday
afternoon at pre season game and joining us now. Someone
who is on the opposite end of that mark would
be our guy Stephen Holder from ESPN, who covers the
Colts as well, and he joins us on the Payless
(52:57):
Stickers hotline. Good morning, Steven Hole. Are you you've almost
made it through training camp?
Speaker 3 (53:02):
We're almost there?
Speaker 4 (53:05):
Oh my god, where do I win? Freedom?
Speaker 1 (53:09):
Freedom?
Speaker 5 (53:11):
A quarterback that Jones and Anthony Richardson.
Speaker 4 (53:13):
That's what you want, right?
Speaker 10 (53:16):
And it's not even over, So I don't even we
don't even get that. We don't even get the winner,
the outcome, right, So anyway, hopefully we get it too.
Speaker 2 (53:24):
Will it be over if we talk to you next Wednesday?
Speaker 10 (53:30):
I want to say yes, I think it should be over,
But I'm not so sure. They have done a great
job of not anything about how they feel about this.
I think that's commendable because it definitely suggests there's no
favoritism or that this isn't leaning one way or another
(53:52):
in someone's head. You know, they've definitely been more backwards
to not do that. That's the coaching staff that is.
Uh So I give them credit for that, But I
think they have to have some idea. I mean, they
practice every day, They sit around for hours and meet
about how their team's performing, and go over the tape
of practice every single day. You have to have some
(54:15):
sense at this point of which way this is going
if you're the coaching staff, and I think they do.
I don't think they'll I don't know that they will
tell us by this time next week, but I think
they know.
Speaker 4 (54:25):
They must know. They have enough information, but by this
point I think, okay.
Speaker 2 (54:29):
So when you say they should be over phrase that
that is not necessarily because you think one has an
overwhelming lead. It's more because August twentieth, quarterback competitions are
largely unhealthy around the NFL.
Speaker 10 (54:42):
Yeah, exactly right. Not not that it should be over
like duh, it's obvious.
Speaker 4 (54:46):
It's not obvious. I think.
Speaker 10 (54:48):
In fact, I mean, I think they're very different quarterbacks
and they've had very different camps. So Daniel Jones is
kind of who we thought he was, which is a
guy who's gonna be more efficient than Anthony Richardson but
certainly less explosive. And and maybe that's okay, right, I mean,
that may be what they want. They may want the
(55:09):
steadiness Anthony Richardson less. I think less up and down.
Speaker 4 (55:15):
For sure. It's been his best training camp, and I
don't think it's close. However, Look, he's still who's who
he is.
Speaker 10 (55:20):
Right, He's not gonna be He's never gonna be some
seventy percent passer. That's just not in the cards for him.
You know, you wouldn't say right now, right, So he's
still gonna be that guy, but he's.
Speaker 4 (55:30):
Definitely gonna give you the explosiveness. I will say what
I've said on every show.
Speaker 10 (55:35):
I had this epiphany the other day, and maybe this
is obvious to people, but I'm just gonna stay it again.
I think they get to the same place no matter
who they play.
Speaker 4 (55:44):
I think this boils down to the rest of the team.
Speaker 10 (55:47):
And what I mean by that is, I think the
outcome for both guys is gonna be largely the same.
They'll just get there in different ways. And I'll leave
you with this. Go back and look at their QBR
rating from last year. I won't say identical. It's very telling,
That's all I'm saying.
Speaker 7 (56:04):
So we've heard it here first on one on seventy
five of the Fan that Stephen Holder is lobbying for
Riley Leonard to start at quarterback, for the Colts to
see something different because obviously the first two quarterbacks are
just the same, you.
Speaker 3 (56:15):
Know version that's the root of Jason Bean.
Speaker 7 (56:18):
No oh, I forgot, Yes, Jason Bean and Ry Lennard
talk here on this Wednesday morning.
Speaker 9 (56:22):
But on a.
Speaker 7 (56:23):
Serious note, Steven, when you look at these skill pusson players,
and we've seen Ady Mitchell have some moments throughout this
camp and you hear Reggie wayans to the arrows pointing up.
What is the next step for you? Is it just
seeing it on game days? Is the physicality?
Speaker 9 (56:40):
Like?
Speaker 7 (56:40):
What is it about Adie Mitchell that you need to
be convinced a little bit more about? And I would
say all of us to a degree need to be
convinced about.
Speaker 10 (56:48):
Yeah, I mean he has to do it on Sunday,
There's no question about that. If he has been notorious
for not finishing plays, and whether that's because he is
reluctant when it comes to the engaging in the contact.
Speaker 4 (57:04):
Or whether you know, whether that's a part of it
or whether it's an execution thing. I think there's been
some of both.
Speaker 10 (57:11):
I can't read his mind on the contact. But but
if you if you look at it when there's when
when catches are contested, he's not as aggressive, there's no
question about that. And then there's really just the overall
lack of concentration that we saw from him last year.
Speaker 4 (57:28):
I think back to the green Bay game.
Speaker 10 (57:29):
The green Bay game and Week two showed the entire
gamut of eighty Mitchell's problems last year, which was a
drop ball where he just turns and turns to run,
he's wide open, turns to run before he.
Speaker 4 (57:41):
Catches the ball, So that's a lack of concentration.
Speaker 10 (57:44):
Then he has another one where he doesn't really attack
the football in the air up on it, you know,
And those are those are the things that you can't do.
Speaker 4 (57:57):
He has too much.
Speaker 10 (57:58):
Talent, but that talent will never be realized if he
doesn't do all of the little things.
Speaker 4 (58:03):
It's in him. He can do it.
Speaker 10 (58:05):
But I think there's little things are gonna be what
determines really the trajectory of his career. But man, the
talent is they're salivating over it right now.
Speaker 4 (58:16):
Over there.
Speaker 1 (58:17):
I'll ask you the same question I asked Kevin and
James a little while ago. Steven, what are you most
interested in seeing other than the obvious quarterback battle this
weekend against the Packers.
Speaker 10 (58:29):
Well, I would say I want to see how this
secondary starts to come together. I mean, it's not coming
together this weekend because the presdel isn't there, but you know,
the Attricians has started to kick in there and they're
gonna have to find some depths there. So guys that
maybe we didn't plan on talking about, they're now going to.
Speaker 4 (58:50):
Have to prove something and show something. I don't know.
Speaker 10 (58:53):
Who's gonna be available come week one, but as of
right now, you know, I think, you know, we'll see
if Kenny Moore see what his status is. I don't
think it's a long term thing, but but he's down
right now.
Speaker 4 (59:04):
And then you've got two other corners Juju.
Speaker 8 (59:06):
Brins and and Jalan Johnson and Jaylan jonescuse me, and
I just wonder where's the depth gonna come from, especially
now that they've lost Justin Wally for the season. So
that is the position that notoriously you have to tap
into your depth and then and if the depth doesn't
step up, it can literally lose you games. So they
(59:28):
got to step up there and figure out what their
pecking order is.
Speaker 2 (59:31):
I think Stephen Hiller's work over on ESPN ESPN dot com,
he's want to see on the payloss Slickers hotline, Steven,
it feels like on the areas of improvement lists, the
Colts feel like they are improving defensively. And I think
they'd also say they've improved at the pass catcher spot.
Speaker 3 (59:50):
Which one would you be more willing to bet on?
Playing out in that manner?
Speaker 2 (59:54):
You more bullish on the pass catchers taking a step
forward or the defense taking a step forward.
Speaker 10 (01:00:02):
I mean, I would say I like the pass catchers
last year, so I don't I don't see the steps
there being as big and and so this is not
a knock on those guys. It's more I think the
defense just had more room to grow and more need, frankly,
to grow.
Speaker 4 (01:00:20):
And to improve.
Speaker 10 (01:00:21):
Uh, that defense we saw last year, I don't think
we spent enough time talking about just how underwhelming it was.
Speaker 4 (01:00:27):
And you know, we can talk about.
Speaker 10 (01:00:29):
Some some accompanying factors like you know, the offense not
staying on the field with the factor, all those kinds
of things, but you know, personnel the factor. But but
that's all part of it. The bottom line is they
didn't get it done, and it was it was a
much bigger part of their failure last year than I
think we we want to, uh.
Speaker 4 (01:00:53):
You know, admit perhaps so.
Speaker 10 (01:00:55):
Anyway, I think that was reflected by the way they
handled the off season. You know, he saw free agency
big splashes on defense.
Speaker 4 (01:01:02):
And the draft.
Speaker 10 (01:01:03):
Certainly not the first pick, but you saw it in
the following rounds, right with J. T. T.
Speaker 4 (01:01:09):
Twoy Malow I said that terribly. Who's pretty good at that?
Is that? Right?
Speaker 10 (01:01:18):
Yeah? Anyway, I know how to say it. I just
I just can't do it and with other people listening.
And the Wally pick was obviously a suggestion that, look,
they had to get better in the secondary as well,
like free agency. So they admitted that and that's why
(01:01:38):
they core the resources into the defense. They had to
get better and they know they had to get better.
And I actually do think that defense will have a
lot to say about what their results are this year.
If that defense is actually significantly better. The quarterback position
matters a little bit less. I'm not saying it doesn't matter.
(01:01:58):
It definitely matters, but they can make it matter a
little less. So I'm interested to see just how lets
that defense can produce. And I think the pass rush
has to come through, absolutely has to come through.
Speaker 1 (01:02:11):
Steven Holder. We appreciate you. We'll let you get back
to practicing that name, and we'll talk to you again soon.
Speaker 4 (01:02:17):
All right, talk to you soon, guys,
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My Favorite Murder is a true crime comedy podcast hosted by Karen Kilgariff and Georgia Hardstark. Each week, Karen and Georgia share compelling true crimes and hometown stories from friends and listeners. Since MFM launched in January of 2016, Karen and Georgia have shared their lifelong interest in true crime and have covered stories of infamous serial killers like the Night Stalker, mysterious cold cases, captivating cults, incredible survivor stories and important events from history like the Tulsa race massacre of 1921. My Favorite Murder is part of the Exactly Right podcast network that provides a platform for bold, creative voices to bring to life provocative, entertaining and relatable stories for audiences everywhere. The Exactly Right roster of podcasts covers a variety of topics including historic true crime, comedic interviews and news, science, pop culture and more. Podcasts on the network include Buried Bones with Kate Winkler Dawson and Paul Holes, That's Messed Up: An SVU Podcast, This Podcast Will Kill You, Bananas and more.
The Joe Rogan Experience
The official podcast of comedian Joe Rogan.