August 20, 2025 • 50 mins
00:00 – 25:36 – Indiana Jones is QB1, James has driving instructions, the frustrations seem to be at a fever pitch for the fan base, the complete failure that has been the Anthony Richardson selection, does the age of Anthony Richardson mean anything at this point?, why Kevin says Shane Steichen wasn’t making any sense yesterday, caller tries to put a positive spin on the QB decision
25:37 – 37:21 – ESPN Colts reporter Stephen Holder joins us to discuss the Colts rolling with Daniel Jones, not believing Anthony Richardson gets better without reps, his conversation with Anthony Richardson’s agent, will Richardson request a trade?,
37:22 – 50:35 - NFL Network’s Tom Pelissero joins us to discuss the Colts going with Daniel Jones at quarterback, how realistic is it that Anthony Richardson still figures it out with the Colts, Anthony Richardson’s agent makes comments following the QB decision, the market for Anthony Richardson around the NFL, how much pressure does the front office and coaching staff have on them following the decision?
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:20):
I was wondering when we were to get to Indiana
Jones mark dyked and well played, well done.
Speaker 3 (00:24):
QB one, it's we're rolling with here.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
Oh my goodness. We got a lot of folks with
opinions on QB one. On the fan text line it
changer named in seventy today.
Speaker 4 (00:33):
I like Dan Jones.
Speaker 5 (00:34):
You think Dan Jones could be a new Dan Jones,
maybe sweat over technically like Daniel Jones the Third or
something like that.
Speaker 4 (00:41):
I thought it, really yes, by the way, somebody close
quarterback Dan Jones, I could see that happen.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
Somebody pointed out.
Speaker 3 (00:48):
To me Stephen Jones the third.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
And they are right that by you know, if he
wins the first two games and they go into their
first divisional game two and now I'll be like, hey,
Daniel Jones, go.
Speaker 4 (00:58):
Win the first two games. He just got to win
the first. If he went the first game, they're gonna
be carrying.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
Right on the shoulders.
Speaker 6 (01:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (01:07):
First season opening win if there were the case.
Speaker 5 (01:10):
Man, the problem with Dan Jones is Dan Jones Rode
in Avon has lots of accidents, a lot of the
time of construction going on, usually a lot of work
in progress.
Speaker 3 (01:19):
So hopefully Mark you'll know Dan Ryan is the one
that got me.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
Lord, but you got you got almost had on a
one way this morning trying.
Speaker 3 (01:26):
To get into work.
Speaker 7 (01:27):
Yeah, anybody just out there and this is I got
a few people on the YouTube Chaho were laughing about
this me coming in a little like seven dash oh one.
If you get into a fenderbinder, you can't just stop
in the middle of the street.
Speaker 3 (01:38):
In on one way. I'm like, you gotta move up
around a little bit.
Speaker 7 (01:40):
So yeah, I had to be a little bit of
a you know, I won't say jerk this morning, but
a little bit stern, like, hey, let's get some pep
in our step and in our cars for that matter.
As you wait for the police to I don't know,
follow reports, I'm like, I paid money to watch you
be stern.
Speaker 6 (01:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (01:53):
No, I mean, I'm honestly.
Speaker 8 (01:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (01:56):
I don't usually use my horn, but I was like, hey, man,
I do want to get to work. And obviously today,
of all days, I got to be there.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
Mark never uses his horn, do you.
Speaker 9 (02:03):
Mark for fingers?
Speaker 2 (02:08):
All right, let's get to the text, Liant. I don't
even want to know what the answer to that is.
Two threy nine ten seventy is the number to call
Mike checking in. It's been a Colts fan since they
got here. The cults have started to remind him of
the late eighties early nineties, having a different quarterback every
year or other. Stability has departed from the organization. By
the time we find a QB, we will have to
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get rid of some key players, or it'll be that
they can't expect these players to wait on a leader
that's not even on the team right now. If you
expected Jones to be a leader, just look at the
time he was a giant. What we have here is
a dumpster fire. It's time to clean house. Love the show.
I don't know I'm that far, but it's not good.
Speaker 3 (02:46):
I'm gonna say no, no, no, you sounded that far.
And the opening because I'm.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
Frustrated right now. I am frustrated right now.
Speaker 10 (02:52):
Elaborates, I don't know that I call me. I wouldn't
call it a I'm not at dumpster fire level. I'm
at as I said, we're in safety mode. The inch's
not gonna blow up, but we're not gonna be able
to go more than thirty five miles an hour.
Speaker 7 (03:06):
That's probably a good way to put it. Honestly, I
think that they thought, hey, we can win with a
more conservative, less erratic quarterback. My only pushback to as
far as the consistency and safety mode of Daniel Jones
is that he's not throughout his career outside of twenty
twenty two, he hasn't really been that player. And yes,
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his competion percentage is over sixty percent for his career.
I think it's one of I want to say sixty
four point one or something like that, which is actually
a pretty good percentage. But again, and I'm not here
sitting saying, oh my gosh, kem, they benched Anthony again.
He had He's had a rough go of it his
first two years. His camp wasn't all that great. To me,
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No one really won. That battle was more like the
picking the less lesser of two eagles. But for Daniel Jones,
I just don't want to go too far the other
way with inflating what we've seen documented a lot. I mean,
the guy is twenty games under five hundred as a
quarterback in the NFL. Now, I get that that isn't
all on him, and he had some certainly some organizational
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issues with the Giants, but that doesn't mean he gets
absolved and everything either.
Speaker 3 (04:14):
So that's that's kind of where I'm at.
Speaker 6 (04:15):
Kevin.
Speaker 4 (04:16):
Yeah, I mean, hell, he's played what seventy seven games,
and I want to say he's sixty nine. He's nearing
one hundred turnovers in his career. So you know, when
you think about consistency, certainly not from a ball security standpoint. Yeah,
I think Colts frustration from fans is rooted in a
couple different areas. One, they've seen this song and danced before.
They feel like Dan Jones is just Jacoby Brissett, He's
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Carson Wentz, He's Gardner Minshew, he's Joe Flacco, he's Matt Ryan.
You know, the Colts have attempted this sort of safe
band aid operation and it's gotten you to this point
now six years into the Andrew Luck post playing career,
and so I think that's where probably a lot of
the frustration, And honestly, yesterday for me was just a
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further reminder of as we sit here right now August twentieth,
heading into Anthony Richardson's year three in the NFL, the
pick has just been an utter organizational failure. It was
a failure and evaluation of him at Florida. It was
a failure in thinking that development could occur on and
off the field. And you can go back to that
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draft whatever, not offering Carolina what needed to be offered.
He gets to the number one pick and have your
choice of those quarterbacks. Your franchise quarterback is not supposed
to be holding the Microsoft surface. I would say clipboard,
but I need to go with the times. Not supposed
to be holding the Microsoft surface heading into year three.
So staff wise, it's been the same operation. It's been
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Chansike and Jim Bob Cooter and Cam Turner now for
three years. You know, when Andrew Luck was drafted, Chuck
PEGANA one thing I think Chuck didn't mess around with
was that first offensive staff. I mean he had Bruce
Arians and Clyde Christiansen as Andrew Luck's offensive coordinator and
quarterback coach. That Arian's in Christensen resume a little different
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than what the Colts have with Anthony Richardson. Think about
the first substantial backup Evandrew lux career, Matt Hasselbeck. That's
a little different than Gardner. Mitchell wanted no part of
teaching Anthony Richardson, Joe Flacco, he wanted to teach as
much as James Boyd wants to be a father right now. Yeah,
and obviously Daniel Jones is trying to resurrect his career.
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So you've never gone with that sort of hey, even
like New York for example, and Shane brought this up yesterday.
Who did Daniel Jones have in New York when he
got drafted Eli Manning to you know, obviously watch how
his work ethic played out there. So again, to me,
it's just an organizational failure so far with Anthony Richardson,
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and so much of it is rooted in the misevaluation
at Florida. And then I think, probably I go next
to just Shane Steichen's blinders and think believing, no, no, no,
I can get this guy to whatever an acceptable level,
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and obviously that's not happened at all.
Speaker 7 (07:10):
I think you made a very good point there, Kevin,
and celebrate on that more and probably put it more blunner.
If that is a proper way to use the term.
Speaker 2 (07:20):
I think we'd go blunt.
Speaker 3 (07:21):
Yeah, blunt, lee blunt or whatever.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
Blunt.
Speaker 4 (07:23):
We're twenty somewhere.
Speaker 7 (07:26):
I think that yesterday was an admittance by the franchise
that they whift on the most important pick of the
Chris Ballard era. That's as plainly and succinct as I
can put it. You missed, That is what all of
this looks like. Now you can tell us you have
a plan for Anthony Richardson, This isn't the end, and
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you have these two timelines you're trying to win right now,
But we're gonna still believe in our guy. The bottom
line is, you drafted a player number four overall a
couple of years ago, the highest drafted player since Andrew
Luck to become your next Andrew Luck, is to become
your long term answer at the quarterback position, and you
failed miserably, and you're trying to find a life.
Speaker 3 (08:10):
Raft and a life voat, and the driver of that
life boat at.
Speaker 7 (08:14):
The moment is Daniel Jones, who, by the way, has
not had much success getting you to the island.
Speaker 3 (08:19):
So I just don't I don't know.
Speaker 7 (08:21):
I understand the decision again, and going from manthey Richardson,
I can't sit up here and say it's not, you know,
mostly on him, I would think because of the injuries
and some of the immaturity things, and you know, having
a bench on all of these are a factor for sure.
Inaccuracy being on another big factor. However, again, man, what
a decision to make when you have to choose between
Richardson or Daniel Jones essentially, in my opinion, probably trying
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to save your jobs because if this.
Speaker 3 (08:46):
Does not work.
Speaker 7 (08:48):
But that does not work, I mean at minimum you
got to make the playoffs. Anything below that would I
would be hard for me to say why anybody should
be brought back.
Speaker 4 (08:57):
Yeah, honestly, I think you can make the argument of
the scariest part might be the Colts scratching call on
their way to like nine or ten wins, and then
you give Daniel Jones a three year, sixty million dollar contract.
Speaker 7 (09:06):
I don't blame the coaching staff for necessarily pivoting towards.
Speaker 4 (09:10):
Right right.
Speaker 3 (09:11):
I mean, your job is to win.
Speaker 4 (09:12):
And that's where Carli ers Gordon's gonna have to step
in and make probably even a harder call because how
do you view this regime right now? Because you know,
if Chris Ballard's handing you his resume, he doesn't want
you to look at the playoff aspect to the resume.
One playoff win in nine years, zero division titles. And
then also if you wanted to play that, well, you
(09:34):
know we've got the young draft pick and it's going
to take a little bit more time for further evaluation. Well,
the most prized resource from a draft pick standpoint, this
franchise has had in what thirteen years, the fourth overall
pick again in year three, he's going to wear an
ear piece here coming up two weeks from Sunday. That's
not obviously a ringing endorsement either. So, boy, there is
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part of me that's like, man if because I don't
think the Cults are go to fall off a cliff.
I don't think they're gonna be some top five, top
ten drafting team. I really don't. So if they get
to the end of the season and let's say it
goes like the New York Giants twenty twenty two season,
the Colts go nine to six and one, Daniel Jones
looks competent. What are you doing? You extended Daniel Jones.
(10:18):
You run in the back with Ballad and Stikeens.
Speaker 2 (10:20):
So I'll tell you the last team that did that
with the New York Giants, that gave him a four
year deal after that season, and look what happened from there.
Speaker 4 (10:27):
So that I think is going to be and I
know I'm looking ahead a little bit, but I think
that could be a very very interesting and difficult situation
of why do you feel like the one year hit
potentially here in Indy will be any different than the
one year hit was with the New York Giants.
Speaker 2 (10:46):
Anthony writes in speaking for a lot of folks here
on the fan text line, good morning, guys, Let's just
get real. I know what's your job to talk about
this stuff. I know the Colts fans are upset. I'm
a Colts fan, but I mean to have any defense
of Anthony Richardson. For his first three years, the guys
can't can't stay healthy. He's below fifty percent completion ratio.
He shouldn't even be in the NFL if so he
should be a running back or something other than a quarterback.
(11:08):
And why we keep defending or people calling and say
he should be starting is completely crazy. In my mind.
And here's how I would address that. Is Anthony Richardson
one of the top twenty five quarterbacks in the NFL?
No he's not. Is Daniel Jones, No he's not. It
goes back to a broader thing that is a complete
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indictment on the way that they have judged and or
failed to develop quarterbacks over the last ever since really
Philip Rivers left. They haven't been able to find the guy.
They haven't really been able to do it, and they
keep trying, they keep trying. All I can tell you
is that Anthony Richardson was eight and seven as a starter,
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not great, but they got some things done. There were
clear issues. Nobody was more unhappy about him taking himself
out of a game than I was. The completion percentage
is unacceptable. Get all that stuff. But I'll also tell you,
James that he's younger than a lot of the rookies
that are in the NFL this year.
Speaker 3 (12:07):
See Okay, can I push back on that?
Speaker 2 (12:09):
You can push back. I'm just saying.
Speaker 3 (12:10):
I'm just saying I care about your age anymore.
Speaker 7 (12:14):
It does in age matter when you still have to
make a decision on his contract, Like his contract doesn't
freeze because he's twenty three. So after this season you
have to decide do we pick up his fifth year option?
And then after that you got decide do we want
to pay this guy?
Speaker 3 (12:27):
So I just don't you.
Speaker 4 (12:29):
Think he commands on the open market? Not much, though,
there you go.
Speaker 5 (12:33):
I saw trade proposals for the Rams and the Colts,
and the Rams are getting Anthony Richardson for like a
fifth and a sixth round pick, and I'm like that
that seems to I would.
Speaker 7 (12:42):
Even take the end out of that fifth and what
I mean fourth, I believe I don't understand that. That's
my I get why you might want to stick with Anthony,
but the age thing to me means nothing.
Speaker 3 (12:54):
At this point, I don't really care much.
Speaker 4 (12:56):
I think it's almost impossible for anyone to stand on
a mountain for Daniel Jones and or Anthony Richardson and
make a case for them to be the starting quarterback
and have no one poke holes in it. Like how
many times yesterday did I say to you guys, whatever
name Shans Dyken says today, and I thought it would
be Daniel Jones. It's going to be the lesser of
two evils. Like that is the reality of where you
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are at. But I will continue to reiterate what I've
said now for years. Band aids only get you so far,
particularly in this conference. Like we're talking about the AFC
in a golden era of quarterbacks. They all are still young,
and we're not even going with Joe Burrow in Cincinnati
or hell Tua has made two playoff appearances with the
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Miami Dolphins. Right now, if you're a New England Patriots fan,
you're probably pretty optimistic about Drake May. Like those franchises
aren't even one of the seven playoff teams that we
saw from last year. And it comes back to why
did Kansas City move on from Alex Smith and got
Patrick Mahoe. Why did Baltimore move on from Joe Flacco
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and draft Lamar Jackson. Buffalo was a playoff team right
before Josh Allen arrived there in twenty eighteen. Look at
what the Minnesota Vikings have done over the last couple
of years. Kirk Cousins was fine, They went out, they
drafted JJ McCarthy, They let Sam Donald walk after a
nice season. If Daniel Jones has the exact same season
that Sam Donald had this past year in Minnesota, you're
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going to hand them a three or four year deal,
or you're gonna opt for that twenty twenty six draft.
You have to go and find the quarterback that tries
and tries to give your franchise the highest ceiling. The
Daniel Jones is those band aid type quarterbacks. They're just
going to keep you stuck in quarterback purgatory. And if
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you're in quarterback purgatory in the NFL, you're in hell.
Speaker 2 (14:52):
You're not wrong. And again, when I stumped for Anthony
Richardson today, it should be somewhat faint in. I just
don't think Daniel Jones is really any kind of your
answer moving forward. I don't know what you want, what
you're expecting to get from him.
Speaker 4 (15:07):
Well, let's get into like what Stiking is thinking here.
Stiking is going Daniel Jones and his thought processes. And
again I am speaking for Shane Steike in here, so
feel free to poke holes at me. He is bullish
poker on himself as a play caller. He thinks he
is an elite play caller, and so he wants the
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x's and o's that are drawn up on Tuesday and
Wednesday to look like that on Sunday. He's thinking the
Colts have a great run game with Jonathan Taylor. He's
thinking the Colts have a great offensive line. He's thinking
the Colts have improved pass catchers, and he's expecting this
defense to be a better than bottom third unit in
the NFL. He's basically saying the New York Giants were
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the definition of dysfunction around.
Speaker 9 (15:52):
The kind of.
Speaker 4 (15:55):
Which is kind of scary to think that they ran
the Colts off the field last year. But that's neither
here nor there. That's what he's thinking, and so that's
why he's going with Daniel Jones, because I want to
have as much control over this situation as I can,
and I feel like Daniel Jones gives me that. And
again we'll see, is it Gardner Minshew twenty twenty three,
where you're one play away from making the playoffs? Is
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Daniel Jones better than Gardner Minshew?
Speaker 11 (16:19):
Some may ask you a questions, Let's say he can
get Probably, honestly, I do think he's better than Gardner Minshew.
And your defense takes a little bit of a step
forward than in Shane seconds. I is the cultar playoffs?
Speaker 1 (16:31):
Right?
Speaker 3 (16:31):
So a question that if.
Speaker 2 (16:32):
They go to the playoffs, the wild card, and they
get beating the wild card, but they get to the playoffs. Now,
what do you do with Daniel Jones moving forward?
Speaker 4 (16:39):
It's terrifical, right, you're right back where you started exactly
so again.
Speaker 7 (16:43):
But I think from their perspective, they will much rather
have that on their resume to say, well, at least
have made the playoffs before you try to think about
changing anything up. Trust me, we made the playoffs. We
ended the drought. Hey, we may we had success this year.
Speaker 4 (16:55):
I get why Shane stike and is doing what he's doing.
Speaker 3 (16:58):
I get it.
Speaker 4 (17:00):
I just don't agree with how the organization has handled
Anthony Richardson, and Anthony richard has handled himself since day one. Again,
to me, it's just an organizational failure in the evaluation
at Florida and then the handling till he was good
enough to handle the line of scrimmage stuff on September tenth,
twenty twenty three, but on September seventh, twenty twenty five,
he's no longer able to handle that. To me, it's
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been just a miss handling since day one.
Speaker 2 (17:28):
I kind of feel like they're trying to plug the
holes of the boat and just keep the boat afloat
until they can figure out a better answer. Right now,
that's kind of what it feels like.
Speaker 7 (17:36):
Well, yeah, and I think the argument, at least from
the uproarf herd, from the fan base, I think they're
valid in this instance is like, Okay, if you miss
on Anthony, which I think at this point, I don't
see how you don't count that as a miss for
a pick or for the franchise, Why should any of
you have an opportunity to go get the next guy
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in theory, if it doesn't work out with Daniel Jones,
if it doesn't work wrout with Anthony Richardson, Now, why
should we trust you to make the decision again at
quarterback when it is the most important position probably in
North American sports.
Speaker 6 (18:07):
So.
Speaker 4 (18:10):
Not South American sports.
Speaker 3 (18:12):
I don't know they have. They have American football down there.
Speaker 5 (18:14):
Maybe a striker I guess they gave in Brazil coming
up in week two, important position on the soccer field.
Speaker 2 (18:22):
Uh, the nine.
Speaker 3 (18:22):
I'm gonna say goalie because the strike striker.
Speaker 2 (18:25):
Yeah, middle of the field forward nine.
Speaker 4 (18:28):
Okay, so that's more than like a magalder.
Speaker 3 (18:31):
You're done, all right, But should.
Speaker 4 (18:34):
We talk in the eleven. How's the MLS stadium update
here locally, it's a it's a good.
Speaker 3 (18:39):
Day for boy Chad.
Speaker 7 (18:40):
You can out there for the Noblesville Boom. Magan some
announcements I believe yesterday. So yeah, if you if you
want to pivot away from our circular talks about quarterbacks,
feel free.
Speaker 2 (18:50):
Kevin jeff with J says they kept saying last year
that all Richardson needed was actual playing time. You're not
going to learn how to play quarterback sitting on the
bench by find Daniel blanking Jones, Dan Jones, Dan Jones
and this thing you're making the move for Dan, you
got it.
Speaker 4 (19:06):
You gotta start it.
Speaker 2 (19:07):
Mark helped me out Dan Jones. What what does Dan
Daniel wants? Probably more?
Speaker 4 (19:12):
Doesn't strike me as one that'll be too optimistic about
my Dan idea.
Speaker 6 (19:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (19:16):
But to add to that, Kevin, I do think to
an extent the organization has to be able to say
or at least internally something to Anthony that because if
you're telling him we're not giving up on you. My
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question to follow up and I couldn't get a clear
answer yesterday, and I figured it wouldn't be the case
because your emotions are fresh and things are still kind
of new with the way the news came out, obviously,
if Daniel being the.
Speaker 3 (19:47):
Starter, however, what is the plan for Anthony? That's my thing?
What is it?
Speaker 4 (19:55):
Can you?
Speaker 7 (19:56):
Can you lay it out for me and tell me
how can he get better by not playing not getting
the reps? And you know how I feel about this,
And Jeff, you're not in the meeting rooms quite as
often as others, but whenever anybody mentions mental reps, I
roll my eyes. I don't care about that. I think
mental reps is a myth, honestly. I mean, I've taken
a lot of mental reps of NFL snaps and can't
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play look a quarterback. So how does he get better
by not playing? And how do you justify that part
of it?
Speaker 4 (20:22):
James, you and I chatted right after the press conference
ended yesterday and you were like, hey, Kevin, you know
that was a little feisty there. I don't do this
very often in press conferences. At one point I asked
Shane Second three questions in a row because I didn't
think he was making any sense to me, right, And
the root of it is what you just brought up.
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He kept on pointing to injuries for why Anthony Richardson
is not better at the line of scrimmage. And so
my question now becomes, Okay, when he had the injuries,
he was getting the mental reps, right, he was in
the meeting rooms. And then now he's back in the
meeting rooms. That's where he is at again, not getting
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these reps. And I don't know if there's a bigger
misconception than NFL practices in the rare season. Anthony Richardson
is going to run the scout team coming up here
in two weeks, He's gonna be the Miami Dolphins in practice.
He's not even gonna run the colts On playbook. And
we know the Colts op for Wednesday walkthroughs relatively early
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in seasons, so that amount of practice time. Hell, the
guy's not even playing Saturday in a preseason game.
Speaker 7 (21:32):
Like I do want to follow up on that at
some point with him, like why isn't he Like I
do you want to.
Speaker 4 (21:37):
See the nis None of that makes sense to me.
None of it. None of it makes sense, And tangibly,
how do you try and get you You're kicking the
can further down the road. And in my opinion. I
think you need clarity. I think you need gets the
final answer, and that answer can be a bad answer.
And if it's a bad answer, great, that means you
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can move on and you could dial up Field Yates
as mock draft and take who are they even taking
Mark with the eleventh pick? Fernando Mendoza, Penn State's Drew
Aller Boy, I think you just threw another one to
Notre Dame to Lord.
Speaker 3 (22:12):
I'll watched him in the casotball playoff last year. You
can go there.
Speaker 4 (22:15):
You can take a kid from South Carolina, you can
take a kid from LSU. You get you know, pray
that Arch comes out what you know. You can move
on and try to find the centerpiece of your franchise.
But now yesterday's news it just further kicks it down
the road.
Speaker 2 (22:30):
Mark real quickly, let's go to the phone lines before
we get to Stephen Holder coming off after the break,
Joe real quickly here on the fan hotline. What you
got today?
Speaker 6 (22:38):
Hey? Thanks taking make off? First off? James, is that
a Grace College great up in warsaw shirt?
Speaker 7 (22:43):
No, I'm sorry, this is a Grace Burger, sir from Indiana.
Set out to you legend. I do know Grace College though.
Speaker 9 (22:49):
All right, anyways, No, I was calling just say basically,
you know, I'm a Colts fan. When when Jim Harball
was there for Jim Harball, when Peyton may was there third,
you know, and so on and so forth, and I think, well,
he gets lost as there's obviously something going on that
maybe we just don't know about. Like it's kind of
like that guy at work that you know, he's a
nice guy and you know he has potential, but like
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he's just not getting it.
Speaker 6 (23:11):
Like the guy just doesn't get it for some reason,
and you're rooting for him, and you know he could.
Speaker 9 (23:16):
Be good if you could figured out, but he's just
not getting it. And it's like Daniel Jones. Could he
be the next dam Darnold that he turns his career around?
Could he be a Baker Mayfield? I mean even going
way back to like a rich Gannon who was a
journeyman gets with John Gruden and it becomes.
Speaker 6 (23:30):
A pro bowler.
Speaker 9 (23:31):
Like, is it possible that Daniel Jones, he's what twenty eight,
twenty nine years old? Could he turn his career around?
Could he be the future? Is it possible? I mean
we just need a guy that can make the layups.
I think I don't. We don't necessarily need a guy
that can hit home runs every time. We need a
guy that can make the layups and get the ball
to the playmakers. We have Tyler Warren, we have Josh Towns,
we have Johnson Taylor. The defense should be improved. I mean,
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why can't we be better? Why can't we be a good, competitive,
solid team.
Speaker 6 (23:57):
I mean when.
Speaker 9 (23:58):
Trent Dilfer won Super Bowl with the Race Evans, I
mean they didn't have Patrick Mahomes. I mean, you can
win games with good defense and running the ball. And
I just think that we got to support our colts
and we got to trust these guys that do this
for a living. This is their career and they want
to win. I mean, Sichon wants to win.
Speaker 2 (24:14):
We all want to win. I appreciate phone calling the perspective, Joe.
I'll also point out that the Ravens, everybody always says it,
you know, good defense. That was an historically.
Speaker 3 (24:21):
Great defense of all time.
Speaker 4 (24:24):
Yeah, I can't, Joe, appreciate the call. Thank you for listening.
Shout out to Grace College. I can't agree with that.
I mean, again and Where what's Baker Mayfield getting you,
what's Sam Donald's getting you, what's Geno Smith getting you?
How many playoff wins for those quarterbacks? Like everybody brings
this up, Like these guys have been making deep playoff runs?
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Did I miss all this?
Speaker 2 (24:46):
We saw? We saw when when it got real at
the very end quarterback Bergatory, they're just a little bit
higher up on the wrong than at the very end
of the season when things got real and in the
first week of the playoffs, Sam Donald went back being
Sam Donald.
Speaker 4 (25:00):
It just it feels like that premise in this conversation
is exactly what was said about Jacoby Brissett. It's exactly
what it's said about Joe Flacco's exactly what he's said
about Matt Ryant. It's the same song and dance. Just
sometimes the skin color is different on the quarterback. Sometimes
maybe the legs are a little bit better. Sometimes the
back of the baseball card looks a little different. But
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it's the same old, same old, big picture story.
Speaker 2 (25:26):
Hi coming up next, Stephen Holder. He covers the Colts
at ESPN. We'll talk to him next. Get his perspective.
As we continue on The Fan Morning Show ninety three,
five and one on seven fan busy day last fifty
six Yesterday the Indianapolis Colts giving the nod to Daniel Jones,
or as Kevin is trying to get it done Dan
Jones yesterday. Our next guest joins us now on the
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Payless Liquors Hotline. No stranger to the station, no stranger
to the Colts and Colts fans. Stephen Holder, who's been
a busy man like everybody else in the last I
don't know eighteen hours or so, joins us. Good morning, Steven.
I'm minding my own business this morning. Listen to Sports
Center on ESPN Radio this morning, and all of a sudden,
at five thirty three, I hear Steven Older coming out
of my radio there. How about that?
Speaker 8 (26:11):
Well, I was not awake at five thirty, so thankfully,
but they got a lot of airtime out of me,
so I'm sure they had plenty of content, so good
for them.
Speaker 2 (26:20):
So what was your take on everything that went down yesterday?
Speaker 6 (26:24):
Yeah?
Speaker 8 (26:25):
Excuse me, I really think the first thing that has
to be mentioned here is, Look, no one's pretending that
that Anthony Richardson is by any means perfect or had
you know or should feel like he had any expectation
of being owed anything anything like that. Right, he has
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left a lot to be desired, there's no question about that.
I think the big point here, the overarching point for me,
is that they made this decision irrespective of the future of.
Speaker 6 (27:01):
That position.
Speaker 8 (27:03):
On this football team, because you are not developing Anthony
Richardson with him sitting on the bench. I reject that
notion completely. He's not going to develop, not the way
he would when he's playing. And then the other thing
is you're doing that while committing to a guy who
has shown really no ability to elevate his team in
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six previous seasons. So it's not the fact that they're
not playing Anthony Richardson, it's that they're doing it.
Speaker 6 (27:36):
At the cost of.
Speaker 8 (27:37):
Finding out more about him, which they need to do,
and also in favor of a guy who clearly hasn't
elevated his team ever. And that is a you know,
that's a tough thing to maybe accept, I think for
a lot of fans. So we'll see there's a scenario
where they could be proven right, But that's a lot
to ask right.
Speaker 4 (27:55):
Now, Steve, and I know is a crazy busy day
for you, so appreciate you still making time for us
here on this Wednesday morning. You furthered the story late
last night in a conversation with Anthony Richardson's agent. The
quote there from Derek Jackson, we have a lot to
discuss in regards to Anthony's future with the Colts. What
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did you make of your conversation? And didn't seem like
it went all the way to the trade demand sort
of point, but certainly some whatever displeasure, if that's the
right word to use from the Richardson camp over this news.
Speaker 6 (28:32):
Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 8 (28:33):
I mean, he had not spoken to Chris Balor at
that point. He was hoping to do that later in
the evening, so I'm not sure what came of that,
but a lot of this disappointment in that conversation, and
I think the overarching point I think in the conversation was, look, you,
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they feel like they being you know, Derek and Anthony,
Derek being his agent. They feel like we did everything
you asked us to do. They you know, for Nicoles,
and he was asked to go out and work in
the off season. Everyone agrees he did that and we
saw the product of that. I thought in training camp,
I thought he was much more mechanically smooth. He looked
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like he was much more put together right as a quarterback.
Doesn't mean he was a finished product. He certainly is not,
but he took it upon himself to get better.
Speaker 6 (29:26):
Then.
Speaker 8 (29:26):
I think there's also the history right where the benching
last season, the way that was handled it was messy.
The way the back issue was kind of characterized that
was that was of some annoyance as well. So it's
an accumulation of things that have brought I think both
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of them to a point where like, we don't we
don't really, we're not really listening to anything you say
at this point. You know, what will be will be?
I think that's where Richardson and his camp are at
this point.
Speaker 4 (29:59):
How do you see it playing out like best case scenario?
Would you not best case scenario? But I don't know.
Maybe most realistic case, like this season rides out as
the backup well, you know, if and when Daniel Jones
gets hurt or doesn't play well, you know, perhaps we
see Richardson in there again and then maybe something happens
in the offseason. There's so many layers there. It's probably
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unfair question to even ask, but how do you see
the Richardson end of his career here in India if
you want to label at that playing out now?
Speaker 8 (30:30):
I mean, I think the most likely scenario is that
he does remain on the roster. And I think at
that point, if you are Anthony Richardson, you know, well,
who knows what happens with the front office and coaching staff,
right But if he's on the roster at that point
and he doesn't see a future here, which right now
would be the case, that's for your release or a trade.
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But I think that I think that trade request is
probably gonna come. I really do. Now do I think
they trade him? No, not necessarily. I mean, this is
this is me talking. I'm not speaking for Derek, but
I'm just saying this in terms of where they are now.
I mean, that's going to come up in the conversation now,
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whether it's a formal trade request, I don't know, you
know what I mean, Maybe Chris can smooth it over,
I don't know. But Derek's pissed. I'm not going to
sugarcoat he's pissed. What I what I wrote is frankly
the mildest version of that conversation. So now whether you
feel like they have the right to feel that way.
I mean that's up to the individual. But the feelings
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are what they are, right, and people feel how they feel.
So there's a lot of animosity there, and I think
if you watch training camp, it's not surprising, right. I mean,
we can't truly sit here and say Daniel Jones significantly
outplayed Anthony Richardson. That's not true, right, But the cults
are free to make whatever decision they want, and there
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is a justification for it. I mean, Shane gave one.
But I do think that when you feel like you've
been told there's been a commitment made to you, and
then it goes a different way when you feel like
you did your part, that's a tough thing to swallow.
Speaker 6 (32:11):
So anyway to.
Speaker 8 (32:12):
Your original question, what happens, I think he probably ends
up here throughout the season. But the last thing I
would say is keep in mind before or when he
was drafted last season. Excuse me, when he was benched
last season, excuse me, there were teams that called and said, hey,
what are your plans there? They were kind of curious,
So could that happen again?
Speaker 2 (32:34):
Steven Holder on the Payless Lickers hotline.
Speaker 7 (32:36):
Go ahead, James Holder, I'll pivot to this part of
the conversation because to me, I don't necessarily blame the
Colts for benching Anthony Richison. Again, I don't think that
he had like the strongest argument ever. I did read
your story and great work there. But when I saw
Derek say he had a great camp by all accounts,
I was thinking not by most of our accounts. We
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were there every day. It was not a great camp.
It was a camp opinion. But neither here nor there.
What plan do you see the Colts having for him?
That's the question I want to ask Shane and Richardson,
But like, what is the plan? If you're telling us
you're not giving up on him, and this is what
it looks and feels like, what is the plan? And
I guess where do you kind of fall in that discussion?
Speaker 8 (33:21):
I mean, I think it's a bad plan. The plan
is to let him run the scout team.
Speaker 6 (33:25):
Okay, well, whoop do you do?
Speaker 8 (33:27):
I mean this isn't going to get him anywhere, is
what I'm saying. So if the priority here is we're
going to try to win and save our jobs, then
all right, And I guess they think they're doing the
right thing if the priority is we want to develop
this quarterback and also give ourselves a chance that maybe
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having a chance at a higher ceiling, just because he
is the unknown commodity, right, and I get it right,
there's some risk involved there in the bigger picture, and
maybe that's not a maybe that's not a path or
to walk. But but if if that's not a consideration,
then basically what you're saying is you're taking the time
out with Anthony Richardson, you know what I mean, Like,
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he's not Riley Leonard who needs to go learn how
to like you know, how to learn NFL defenses and
that kind of thing. I mean, Anthony Richardson needs more
development there. But the man has played NFL football, right,
So that's that type of learning is only going to
help him so much. And the point I made on
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TV is that he had that in year one. He
had thirteen games of watching Gardner Minshew and Shane Syke
and do their thing, and that got him where, right,
So that type of learning has a limited effect. You
got to play, and he will not be playing. So
I see this as frankly potentially a wasted year for
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Anthony Richardson, I don't really see how you phrased it
any other way. The other thing I would say is
that if you are if you com to a quarterback,
if you commit to drafting a project quarterback, you got
to see it through. And they're not seeing it through.
That is just is what it is, and they have
to own that and they are not.
Speaker 7 (35:09):
And then to follow up, you mentioned the project quarterback part,
and obviously for Anthony, I think a lot of the
reason he's here was because Shane advocated for him be here.
Now Shane is advocating for Daniel Jones.
Speaker 3 (35:21):
And so.
Speaker 7 (35:24):
Two part question here, how much of Anthony Richardson's lack
of development do you think falls on Shane's stichen And
then how much should he be trusted with the resurrection,
because that's what you're trying to do with Danie Jones,
trying to resurrect his career. How much should he be
trusted with that? In regards to.
Speaker 8 (35:38):
Jones, I mean, I think you have to ask questions,
and some of this stuff is impossible to answer, right
because none of us are in the meeting room, We're
not in the huddle or any of that.
Speaker 6 (35:50):
So I don't know.
Speaker 3 (35:51):
Because your ESPN access to get in there.
Speaker 8 (35:53):
Come on, man, it's funny how there's limitations how far
they can get you.
Speaker 6 (35:58):
True. I just it's interesting. Though.
Speaker 8 (36:01):
I think your question is totally fair, and I think
we have to ask those questions though you know we
won't get straight answers maybe, but those are fair questions
because we talk all the time about these quarterbacks that
had these second acts. They go somewhere else and certainly
and suddenly they start to flourish. Well, you know, we
don't talk about enough in those situations. It's not just
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experienced necessarily. Some of it is experience in time and
so forth. But maybe the question should also be asked, well,
what happened in those earlier stops? How were they handled?
How were they coached? How were they developed?
Speaker 6 (36:38):
Right?
Speaker 8 (36:38):
I mean that's a question too. Why does it have
to take five or six years? Is that all about
experience or are there other things that work too?
Speaker 6 (36:47):
So?
Speaker 8 (36:47):
I do think you can't come. You can't put all
this on the twenty three year old quarterback who didn't
know what the hell he was doing. Okay, let's just
be honest, right, you can't put all of it on him.
Some of it's on him for sure, and we've got
to be a serious quarterback and a serious individual, which
I think is finally happening. But not all of it
is on Anthony. Some of it has to be on
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the team that took him, knowing who he was and
what he was when they drafted him.
Speaker 2 (37:12):
Steven, Great to see you this past weekend. Good to
hear you this morning. We'll run into each other again soon.
Thank you for being here.
Speaker 6 (37:19):
All right, let's talk about see you guys soon.
Speaker 2 (37:22):
We've been yapping about this all day long and listening
to the text line and some phone callers, and we'll
get some national perspective now as we turn to the
Payless Liquors hotline and from NFL Network, Tom Pellasero, terrific
reporter there, joins us now on the Fan Morning show.
Speaker 4 (37:36):
Good morning, Tom. It's never boring for you.
Speaker 2 (37:38):
There's always somebody in a quarterback controversy somewhere in America
for you.
Speaker 9 (37:42):
Right Well, we're on the pretty short list at this
point of the competitions in camp, but you're right, we'll
be a week or two in the season and people
will be calling for somebody to get benched somewhere. You know,
this one was really going all the way back to
the combine. When Chris Ballard said it's going to be
an open competition, you knew that they were going to
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try to bring in somebody to really and truly push
Anthony Richardson. You know, the unfortunate part in all this is,
I don't know that you ever really got.
Speaker 6 (38:12):
The type of competition that you would have won it.
Speaker 9 (38:14):
We all know Anthony Richardson what he needs above all
else his reps.
Speaker 6 (38:18):
He needs time on task.
Speaker 9 (38:19):
And for a guy who had bottled injuries his first
two years to come in and have the shoulder issue
in the spring and then hit the start in the
first preseason game and dislocate his pinky right out of
the gate, it just it.
Speaker 6 (38:32):
Felt like a continuation.
Speaker 9 (38:33):
I don't think that, by any stretch, this is the
end of Anthony Richardson. You know, there's plenty of other
quarterbacks who you know, have not been able to put
it all together in the first couple of years. And
they get trader, do they get cut and they go
someplace else? And I mean, shoot, we're still talking about
Trey Lance. You know, oh, you know, great preseason that
he had with the Chargers. It's like you know, year
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five or six or whatever it is for Trey Lance.
At this point, there's no reason that we can't, you know,
be talking about Anthony Richard since somewhere down the line.
But you know, the guy needs to play, he needs
to practice. He didn't get the opportunity to do that,
and the Colts just starts in a position where they
can allow him to get that time on task in
regular season games where you know, wins and jobs are
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at stake.
Speaker 7 (39:17):
Tom James Woyd here from the Athletic and I enjoy
your work as well. You certainly keep me busy like
the rest of us in this reporting world. And I
do want to pivot a bit back to what you've
just said. With Anthony. There is hope that he can
still become something. But the narrative that the cults are
trying to push right now is that they haven't given
up on him. They's a future for him in Indianapolis.
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But how realist do you think that is? Considering that
he's a now former top five pick that's been bench
twice in nine months. Those players usually don't work out
with the same franchise, So how realistic is it for
him to work out Indianapolis.
Speaker 9 (39:53):
Still, well, let's start with the reality, James. Did you know,
quarterbacks get hurt, And certainly I don't w that on
Daniel Jones at all, but the odds are over half
the teams in the league us multiple quarterbacks in the season.
We may see Anthony Richardson playing for the Colts this year,
and quite frankly, given where he's at in his career,
the best opportunity for him to show something in twenty
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twenty five it's going to be with the Colts not
getting traded next week and going to a team and
a coach and a scheme that he's not familiar with.
And so, you know, big picture, what does this mean
for Anthony Richardson.
Speaker 6 (40:28):
I would go back to this.
Speaker 9 (40:29):
You remember how this all unfolded back in twenty twenty
three when they had a couple of quarterbacks on the roster,
and again it was a real competition, you know, the
late Jim Mersey, you know, came out and said, hey,
Anthony's going to be you know, we look forward to
Anthony richard handed off to Jonathan Taylor. That was kind
of the first time that anybody was like, oh, Richardson's
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going to play now, that wasn't really you know, the
the I don't want to say the plan, but it
wasn't really the thought process. It was, hey, you're going
to get this guy on the field. Maybe he's playing
goal line short yardage packages, but not to be in
every game starter. And obviously, you know, he played I
believe four games that year and he got hurt in
three of them, and so you know, ultimately we didn't
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see a ton of him on the field. But what
is happening right now with Anthony Richardson at age twenty four,
younger than Tyler Shuck, younger than some of the other
rookie we're in the league right now, This is probably
what should happen for him in twenty twenty three, which
is getting the opportunity to be behind a veteran who
you know, say what you will about Daniel Jones, like
he's won games in the league, he's won a playoff
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game in the league, he started a whole bunch.
Speaker 6 (41:36):
You'll be behind.
Speaker 9 (41:36):
Somebody who's going to be a good guy in the room,
and you can you can you watch and learn a
little bit here. Anthony Richardson got put in a really
tough spot. I don't think it's unfair, because there is
no fair in the NFL. But it was a really
difficult spot of hey, and I get you know why
you got there, which was this guy needs to play,
so let's put him out there. But you know, in
hindsight and even in foresight, oh, what should have been
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the plan initially here? And so the best thing for
Anthony Richardson of course now is that he truly can
sit back for a while and watch and learn and
get better in practice and run the scout team and
who knows, maybe making all those scout team reps in
a few months here.
Speaker 6 (42:16):
You know, by staying healthy with this.
Speaker 9 (42:18):
Point in his NFL career, maybe that puts him in
a better position than what his next opportunity comes. You know,
he's better for it. And much like Bryce Young last
year with the Panthers, he got benched after the second game.
I mean, that was the number one pick in the
draft in that same year, you know, and then once
Bryce Young got another opportunity because Andy Dalton was in
a car accident of all things, he was more ready.
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But a big part of that was Bryce Young leading
through continuing to be that guy, you know, working behind
the scenes and being ready, not knowing what his opportunity
was getting.
Speaker 4 (42:50):
Definitely echo what James said. Tom Pelser do is great
work NFL Network where you can find him insider there.
You can see him on the Insiders That's weak Night,
seven pm Eastern, All NFL Network.
Speaker 3 (43:01):
Tom.
Speaker 4 (43:01):
We saw Derek Jackson, Anthony's agent reach out to Steven
Holder covers could ESPN and mentioned, Yeah, they are unhappy
about this situation not going all the way to the
trade request. We had Steven on earlier and he mentioned
he didn't feel like maybe that was the most far
fetched thing that could come down the road. From the
Richardson camp, What do you think the market would look like?
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Do you compare it all to Trey Lance's market a
few years ago? What do you think potential compensation could
be for Anthony Richardson.
Speaker 9 (43:31):
I believe Trey Lance went for a fourth round pick
and it was right around this same time when the
Cowboys traded for him. I think that it would probably
be a similar type of a thing Trey Lance. It
was the same deal, which was he hadn't played kind
of football. He'd played more, he'd started more games in
North Dakota State, but just hadn't played a whole lot.
He had accuracy issues, like Anthony Richardson has not been
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the most accurate quarterback so far in his career, and
he'd been hurt a lot. So it's probably in a
similar type.
Speaker 6 (43:59):
Of a vein.
Speaker 9 (43:59):
It's probably a mid round type of a pick. And
the question that you have to ask yourself if you
are you know Chris.
Speaker 6 (44:06):
Ballad or Shane Steichen.
Speaker 9 (44:08):
Or Carli ersay, is is that worth it?
Speaker 6 (44:11):
You know Trey Lance.
Speaker 9 (44:12):
The other piece of this was when the forty niners
traded Trey Lance, they had Brock Purdy and Brock Purty
was going to be the guy that was Kyle's guy
that you know, it was very affairent.
Speaker 6 (44:23):
He was going to be the starter.
Speaker 9 (44:24):
When you have, you know, another guy who's a former
high graphic sitting behind, that puts more pressure on the
guy who's starting. It can create a lot of questions.
I don't know that you have those same types of
questions with Daniel Jones, who, by the way, is only
twenty eight himself. But it's not like, you know, Daniel
Jones is one hundred percent the answer, you know, for
the next ten years, like the forty nine ers felt
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about party.
Speaker 6 (44:46):
You know, you hope that he is. You hope that
maybe you fell into.
Speaker 9 (44:49):
Something on a one year, fourteen million dollar contract and
you get your guy and that settles all these questions.
But I don't think that the same dynamic exists here
in terms of the pressure all on the pressure on
the Colts to do something and to move on from
the player.
Speaker 6 (45:05):
I just don't think that that exists. So you know,
we'll see.
Speaker 9 (45:07):
My understanding from talking to people yesterday is that's not
the thought process for the team. I understand, you know,
I've known Derek a long time. I understand, you know,
the frustration for him, the frustration for Anthony Richardson. But
I just go back to this, you know, as as
you might be mad about it and you might think,
you know, this isn't you know the trust has been
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fractured or whatever that quote was that he gave the holder.
But at the same time, realistically, if Anthony Richardson sees
the field in twenty twenty five, he's better off seeing
the field than Indy again, because going someplace new Man,
being a quarterback, there's some positions you can get traded,
you know, even in the season, and you can go
out and play that week. Quarterback is not the spot
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you want to be doing that. The Baker Mayfield going
to the Rams and starting three days later and rebooting
his career, those situations are few and far between.
Speaker 6 (45:56):
For Richardson, just.
Speaker 9 (45:57):
Continuing to you know, be on top of the thing,
knowing that it was a close competition with Daniel Jones
and being able just to kind of push forward within
that context that to me seems like the better outcome here.
We'll see what levers, if any he and his agent
decided to pull here.
Speaker 7 (46:14):
Tom just Tom just ruined in my childhood dreams there
with you know, the Madden. You know, I'm thinking, I'm
mad and I just drop players in and have my franchise.
Speaker 3 (46:22):
It worked back then, Tom, but it works.
Speaker 9 (46:25):
For Baker's now a Pro Bowl quarterback. Like it's the
wildest story ever. I think they claimed him on a Monday.
Speaker 6 (46:32):
And he started on a Thursday.
Speaker 9 (46:33):
That one I'll never Yeah, I'll get over.
Speaker 7 (46:36):
My dad's uh no, along those lines. My dad's a
diehard Raiders fan. I never let him forget that game.
I'm like, you let a guy come into your house
and beat you on like a couple of days, rest
and and literally like you know, a couple of backyard plays.
But going back to the Colts for a second, and
I really would appreciate your respective on this. So the
decision is Daniel Jones, and obviously they have to feel
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confident enough to make that decision to make him QB one.
Speaker 3 (47:00):
But within that, Tom.
Speaker 7 (47:02):
How much pressure do you think this regime just put
on itself to basically bet on Daniel Jones, Like you know,
how much leash do they have left or you know,
goodwill or grace should they get if this doesn't work out?
You know when it comes to Chris Ballard and Shane Styching.
Speaker 9 (47:18):
Well, I think that part of the reason. And I
know that Shane talked about this is a decision made
for twenty twenty five.
Speaker 6 (47:23):
It's not about the future.
Speaker 9 (47:25):
But you heard the words from Shane. It's about consistency,
it's about communication, It's about getting in the right play
and making the right checks. You know, that's all the
way of saying, you know, they know what.
Speaker 6 (47:36):
They're getting in Daniel Jones.
Speaker 9 (47:39):
They know, you know, the best way to put it
might be this, does Daniel Jones scare you if you're
a defense Maybe not, But he doesn't.
Speaker 8 (47:47):
Scare you as his own coaches.
Speaker 9 (47:49):
Either Anthony Richardson scares the opposing defense, but he also
might scare his own coaches. So do you want the
known commodity do you want the guy confident? You know, Hey,
here's what Daniel's limitations are, here's the things he does well.
We're going to build around those things he does well.
Or do you have Anthony Richardson who's going to make
the splash plays but you just don't know, you know,
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from play in and play out, is he also going
to make the big mistake? You know, if you're you know,
if you feel like your job is on the line.
And I think that it's fair to say any coach
who's entering year three and has not yet made the
playoffs any GM frankly that's been in the job as
long as Chris has, you know, Yeah, there's a level
of pressure, There's no doubt about it. And then you
you you know, add into the context, do you have
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a new controlling owner in the situation too. There's a
lot of different dynamics here where certainly you have to
be taking those things into consideration. But to me, you know,
what you need to prove right now, if you're you know,
if you're Chris and Shane is just Hey, the rest
of his roster's pretty good. And whether Anthony Richardson ultimately
works out or he doesn't, we built a pretty strong team.
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The only way that you find that and show that
is that you get somebody in that you trust to
run your operation and get the ball in the hands
of your playmakers. You know, Anthony Richardson still might get
there someday. Again, he's younger than some of the guys
who got drafted this year, but he's not there yet.
I don't think that that's a secret. He's just not
there yet. And you know, so you put in the
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guy who you you trust. Hey, we at least know
what we're getting with this player. Let's build around his strengths.
He's going to process, he's going to get us into
the right play and you roll from there. You know,
time will tell if this ends up being the right bet.
But to me, you know the other part of this too,
And I had people within the league say this to
me when they were talking about that quarterback competition, along
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the lines of, well, you just you got to roll
with Richardson first, and then if he fails, you go
to Daniel Jones. I actually thought the opposite, and going
back to the spring, everything I heard was it was
probably going to be Daniel Jones. And the thinking is
you're not going to get a spark from Daniel Jones.
Daniel Jones is the steady guy. The spark comes if, hey,
if this thing isn't looking good enough, and then you
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put in this six foot five, two hundred and forty
pound on cannon armed dude. That's where the spark comes from.
And again I would just go back to Anthony Richardson.
What he's got to do from this point forward is
pour everything into being ready for that moment, because you
don't know if that's coming in the first half of
Week one or it's not coming till December, but it's coming.
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And if you are able to show some of those flashes,
whether your futures in Indianapolis or somewhere else, that's what's
going to drive you to get your next opportunity in
the NFL.
Speaker 2 (50:26):
Tom thanks for your time this morning. We appreciate it.
I know you're back out to some other camps, but
we'll look for you on NFL Network and see you
down the road.
Speaker 6 (50:34):
You got a guess, Thanks
You were listening to the Best of the Fan Morning
Show on Nutty three five and one oh seven five
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Speaker 2 (00:20):
I was wondering when we were to get to Indiana
Jones mark dyked and well played, well done.
Speaker 3 (00:24):
QB one, it's we're rolling with here.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
Oh my goodness. We got a lot of folks with
opinions on QB one. On the fan text line it
changer named in seventy today.
Speaker 4 (00:33):
I like Dan Jones.
Speaker 5 (00:34):
You think Dan Jones could be a new Dan Jones,
maybe sweat over technically like Daniel Jones the Third or
something like that.
Speaker 4 (00:41):
I thought it, really yes, by the way, somebody close
quarterback Dan Jones, I could see that happen.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
Somebody pointed out.
Speaker 3 (00:48):
To me Stephen Jones the third.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
And they are right that by you know, if he
wins the first two games and they go into their
first divisional game two and now I'll be like, hey,
Daniel Jones, go.
Speaker 4 (00:58):
Win the first two games. He just got to win
the first. If he went the first game, they're gonna
be carrying.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
Right on the shoulders.
Speaker 6 (01:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (01:07):
First season opening win if there were the case.
Speaker 5 (01:10):
Man, the problem with Dan Jones is Dan Jones Rode
in Avon has lots of accidents, a lot of the
time of construction going on, usually a lot of work
in progress.
Speaker 3 (01:19):
So hopefully Mark you'll know Dan Ryan is the one
that got me.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
Lord, but you got you got almost had on a
one way this morning trying.
Speaker 3 (01:26):
To get into work.
Speaker 7 (01:27):
Yeah, anybody just out there and this is I got
a few people on the YouTube Chaho were laughing about
this me coming in a little like seven dash oh one.
If you get into a fenderbinder, you can't just stop
in the middle of the street.
Speaker 3 (01:38):
In on one way. I'm like, you gotta move up
around a little bit.
Speaker 7 (01:40):
So yeah, I had to be a little bit of
a you know, I won't say jerk this morning, but
a little bit stern, like, hey, let's get some pep
in our step and in our cars for that matter.
As you wait for the police to I don't know,
follow reports, I'm like, I paid money to watch you
be stern.
Speaker 6 (01:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (01:53):
No, I mean, I'm honestly.
Speaker 8 (01:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (01:56):
I don't usually use my horn, but I was like, hey, man,
I do want to get to work. And obviously today,
of all days, I got to be there.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
Mark never uses his horn, do you.
Speaker 9 (02:03):
Mark for fingers?
Speaker 2 (02:08):
All right, let's get to the text, Liant. I don't
even want to know what the answer to that is.
Two threy nine ten seventy is the number to call
Mike checking in. It's been a Colts fan since they
got here. The cults have started to remind him of
the late eighties early nineties, having a different quarterback every
year or other. Stability has departed from the organization. By
the time we find a QB, we will have to
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get rid of some key players, or it'll be that
they can't expect these players to wait on a leader
that's not even on the team right now. If you
expected Jones to be a leader, just look at the
time he was a giant. What we have here is
a dumpster fire. It's time to clean house. Love the show.
I don't know I'm that far, but it's not good.
Speaker 3 (02:46):
I'm gonna say no, no, no, you sounded that far.
And the opening because I'm.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
Frustrated right now. I am frustrated right now.
Speaker 10 (02:52):
Elaborates, I don't know that I call me. I wouldn't
call it a I'm not at dumpster fire level. I'm
at as I said, we're in safety mode. The inch's
not gonna blow up, but we're not gonna be able
to go more than thirty five miles an hour.
Speaker 7 (03:06):
That's probably a good way to put it. Honestly, I
think that they thought, hey, we can win with a
more conservative, less erratic quarterback. My only pushback to as
far as the consistency and safety mode of Daniel Jones
is that he's not throughout his career outside of twenty
twenty two, he hasn't really been that player. And yes,
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his competion percentage is over sixty percent for his career.
I think it's one of I want to say sixty
four point one or something like that, which is actually
a pretty good percentage. But again, and I'm not here
sitting saying, oh my gosh, kem, they benched Anthony again.
He had He's had a rough go of it his
first two years. His camp wasn't all that great. To me,
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No one really won. That battle was more like the
picking the less lesser of two eagles. But for Daniel Jones,
I just don't want to go too far the other
way with inflating what we've seen documented a lot. I mean,
the guy is twenty games under five hundred as a
quarterback in the NFL. Now, I get that that isn't
all on him, and he had some certainly some organizational
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issues with the Giants, but that doesn't mean he gets
absolved and everything either.
Speaker 3 (04:14):
So that's that's kind of where I'm at.
Speaker 6 (04:15):
Kevin.
Speaker 4 (04:16):
Yeah, I mean, hell, he's played what seventy seven games,
and I want to say he's sixty nine. He's nearing
one hundred turnovers in his career. So you know, when
you think about consistency, certainly not from a ball security standpoint. Yeah,
I think Colts frustration from fans is rooted in a
couple different areas. One, they've seen this song and danced before.
They feel like Dan Jones is just Jacoby Brissett, He's
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Carson Wentz, He's Gardner Minshew, he's Joe Flacco, he's Matt Ryan.
You know, the Colts have attempted this sort of safe
band aid operation and it's gotten you to this point
now six years into the Andrew Luck post playing career,
and so I think that's where probably a lot of
the frustration, And honestly, yesterday for me was just a
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further reminder of as we sit here right now August twentieth,
heading into Anthony Richardson's year three in the NFL, the
pick has just been an utter organizational failure. It was
a failure and evaluation of him at Florida. It was
a failure in thinking that development could occur on and
off the field. And you can go back to that
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draft whatever, not offering Carolina what needed to be offered.
He gets to the number one pick and have your
choice of those quarterbacks. Your franchise quarterback is not supposed
to be holding the Microsoft surface. I would say clipboard,
but I need to go with the times. Not supposed
to be holding the Microsoft surface heading into year three.
So staff wise, it's been the same operation. It's been
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Chansike and Jim Bob Cooter and Cam Turner now for
three years. You know, when Andrew Luck was drafted, Chuck
PEGANA one thing I think Chuck didn't mess around with
was that first offensive staff. I mean he had Bruce
Arians and Clyde Christiansen as Andrew Luck's offensive coordinator and
quarterback coach. That Arian's in Christensen resume a little different
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than what the Colts have with Anthony Richardson. Think about
the first substantial backup Evandrew lux career, Matt Hasselbeck. That's
a little different than Gardner. Mitchell wanted no part of
teaching Anthony Richardson, Joe Flacco, he wanted to teach as
much as James Boyd wants to be a father right now. Yeah,
and obviously Daniel Jones is trying to resurrect his career.
(06:25):
So you've never gone with that sort of hey, even
like New York for example, and Shane brought this up yesterday.
Who did Daniel Jones have in New York when he
got drafted Eli Manning to you know, obviously watch how
his work ethic played out there. So again, to me,
it's just an organizational failure so far with Anthony Richardson,
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and so much of it is rooted in the misevaluation
at Florida. And then I think, probably I go next
to just Shane Steichen's blinders and think believing, no, no, no,
I can get this guy to whatever an acceptable level,
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and obviously that's not happened at all.
Speaker 7 (07:10):
I think you made a very good point there, Kevin,
and celebrate on that more and probably put it more blunner.
If that is a proper way to use the term.
Speaker 2 (07:20):
I think we'd go blunt.
Speaker 3 (07:21):
Yeah, blunt, lee blunt or whatever.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
Blunt.
Speaker 4 (07:23):
We're twenty somewhere.
Speaker 7 (07:26):
I think that yesterday was an admittance by the franchise
that they whift on the most important pick of the
Chris Ballard era. That's as plainly and succinct as I
can put it. You missed, That is what all of
this looks like. Now you can tell us you have
a plan for Anthony Richardson, This isn't the end, and
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you have these two timelines you're trying to win right now,
But we're gonna still believe in our guy. The bottom
line is, you drafted a player number four overall a
couple of years ago, the highest drafted player since Andrew
Luck to become your next Andrew Luck, is to become
your long term answer at the quarterback position, and you
failed miserably, and you're trying to find a life.
Speaker 3 (08:10):
Raft and a life voat, and the driver of that
life boat at.
Speaker 7 (08:14):
The moment is Daniel Jones, who, by the way, has
not had much success getting you to the island.
Speaker 3 (08:19):
So I just don't I don't know.
Speaker 7 (08:21):
I understand the decision again, and going from manthey Richardson,
I can't sit up here and say it's not, you know,
mostly on him, I would think because of the injuries
and some of the immaturity things, and you know, having
a bench on all of these are a factor for sure.
Inaccuracy being on another big factor. However, again, man, what
a decision to make when you have to choose between
Richardson or Daniel Jones essentially, in my opinion, probably trying
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to save your jobs because if this.
Speaker 3 (08:46):
Does not work.
Speaker 7 (08:48):
But that does not work, I mean at minimum you
got to make the playoffs. Anything below that would I
would be hard for me to say why anybody should
be brought back.
Speaker 4 (08:57):
Yeah, honestly, I think you can make the argument of
the scariest part might be the Colts scratching call on
their way to like nine or ten wins, and then
you give Daniel Jones a three year, sixty million dollar contract.
Speaker 7 (09:06):
I don't blame the coaching staff for necessarily pivoting towards.
Speaker 4 (09:10):
Right right.
Speaker 3 (09:11):
I mean, your job is to win.
Speaker 4 (09:12):
And that's where Carli ers Gordon's gonna have to step
in and make probably even a harder call because how
do you view this regime right now? Because you know,
if Chris Ballard's handing you his resume, he doesn't want
you to look at the playoff aspect to the resume.
One playoff win in nine years, zero division titles. And
then also if you wanted to play that, well, you
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know we've got the young draft pick and it's going
to take a little bit more time for further evaluation. Well,
the most prized resource from a draft pick standpoint, this
franchise has had in what thirteen years, the fourth overall
pick again in year three, he's going to wear an
ear piece here coming up two weeks from Sunday. That's
not obviously a ringing endorsement either. So, boy, there is
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part of me that's like, man if because I don't
think the Cults are go to fall off a cliff.
I don't think they're gonna be some top five, top
ten drafting team. I really don't. So if they get
to the end of the season and let's say it
goes like the New York Giants twenty twenty two season,
the Colts go nine to six and one, Daniel Jones
looks competent. What are you doing? You extended Daniel Jones.
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You run in the back with Ballad and Stikeens.
Speaker 2 (10:20):
So I'll tell you the last team that did that
with the New York Giants, that gave him a four
year deal after that season, and look what happened from there.
Speaker 4 (10:27):
So that I think is going to be and I
know I'm looking ahead a little bit, but I think
that could be a very very interesting and difficult situation
of why do you feel like the one year hit
potentially here in Indy will be any different than the
one year hit was with the New York Giants.
Speaker 2 (10:46):
Anthony writes in speaking for a lot of folks here
on the fan text line, good morning, guys, Let's just
get real. I know what's your job to talk about
this stuff. I know the Colts fans are upset. I'm
a Colts fan, but I mean to have any defense
of Anthony Richardson. For his first three years, the guys
can't can't stay healthy. He's below fifty percent completion ratio.
He shouldn't even be in the NFL if so he
should be a running back or something other than a quarterback.
(11:08):
And why we keep defending or people calling and say
he should be starting is completely crazy. In my mind.
And here's how I would address that. Is Anthony Richardson
one of the top twenty five quarterbacks in the NFL?
No he's not. Is Daniel Jones, No he's not. It
goes back to a broader thing that is a complete
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indictment on the way that they have judged and or
failed to develop quarterbacks over the last ever since really
Philip Rivers left. They haven't been able to find the guy.
They haven't really been able to do it, and they
keep trying, they keep trying. All I can tell you
is that Anthony Richardson was eight and seven as a starter,
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not great, but they got some things done. There were
clear issues. Nobody was more unhappy about him taking himself
out of a game than I was. The completion percentage
is unacceptable. Get all that stuff. But I'll also tell you,
James that he's younger than a lot of the rookies
that are in the NFL this year.
Speaker 3 (12:07):
See Okay, can I push back on that?
Speaker 2 (12:09):
You can push back. I'm just saying.
Speaker 3 (12:10):
I'm just saying I care about your age anymore.
Speaker 7 (12:14):
It does in age matter when you still have to
make a decision on his contract, Like his contract doesn't
freeze because he's twenty three. So after this season you
have to decide do we pick up his fifth year option?
And then after that you got decide do we want
to pay this guy?
Speaker 3 (12:27):
So I just don't you.
Speaker 4 (12:29):
Think he commands on the open market? Not much, though,
there you go.
Speaker 5 (12:33):
I saw trade proposals for the Rams and the Colts,
and the Rams are getting Anthony Richardson for like a
fifth and a sixth round pick, and I'm like that
that seems to I would.
Speaker 7 (12:42):
Even take the end out of that fifth and what
I mean fourth, I believe I don't understand that. That's
my I get why you might want to stick with Anthony,
but the age thing to me means nothing.
Speaker 3 (12:54):
At this point, I don't really care much.
Speaker 4 (12:56):
I think it's almost impossible for anyone to stand on
a mountain for Daniel Jones and or Anthony Richardson and
make a case for them to be the starting quarterback
and have no one poke holes in it. Like how
many times yesterday did I say to you guys, whatever
name Shans Dyken says today, and I thought it would
be Daniel Jones. It's going to be the lesser of
two evils. Like that is the reality of where you
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are at. But I will continue to reiterate what I've
said now for years. Band aids only get you so far,
particularly in this conference. Like we're talking about the AFC
in a golden era of quarterbacks. They all are still young,
and we're not even going with Joe Burrow in Cincinnati
or hell Tua has made two playoff appearances with the
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Miami Dolphins. Right now, if you're a New England Patriots fan,
you're probably pretty optimistic about Drake May. Like those franchises
aren't even one of the seven playoff teams that we
saw from last year. And it comes back to why
did Kansas City move on from Alex Smith and got
Patrick Mahoe. Why did Baltimore move on from Joe Flacco
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and draft Lamar Jackson. Buffalo was a playoff team right
before Josh Allen arrived there in twenty eighteen. Look at
what the Minnesota Vikings have done over the last couple
of years. Kirk Cousins was fine, They went out, they
drafted JJ McCarthy, They let Sam Donald walk after a
nice season. If Daniel Jones has the exact same season
that Sam Donald had this past year in Minnesota, you're
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going to hand them a three or four year deal,
or you're gonna opt for that twenty twenty six draft.
You have to go and find the quarterback that tries
and tries to give your franchise the highest ceiling. The
Daniel Jones is those band aid type quarterbacks. They're just
going to keep you stuck in quarterback purgatory. And if
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you're in quarterback purgatory in the NFL, you're in hell.
Speaker 2 (14:52):
You're not wrong. And again, when I stumped for Anthony
Richardson today, it should be somewhat faint in. I just
don't think Daniel Jones is really any kind of your
answer moving forward. I don't know what you want, what
you're expecting to get from him.
Speaker 4 (15:07):
Well, let's get into like what Stiking is thinking here.
Stiking is going Daniel Jones and his thought processes. And
again I am speaking for Shane Steike in here, so
feel free to poke holes at me. He is bullish
poker on himself as a play caller. He thinks he
is an elite play caller, and so he wants the
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x's and o's that are drawn up on Tuesday and
Wednesday to look like that on Sunday. He's thinking the
Colts have a great run game with Jonathan Taylor. He's
thinking the Colts have a great offensive line. He's thinking
the Colts have improved pass catchers, and he's expecting this
defense to be a better than bottom third unit in
the NFL. He's basically saying the New York Giants were
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the definition of dysfunction around.
Speaker 9 (15:52):
The kind of.
Speaker 4 (15:55):
Which is kind of scary to think that they ran
the Colts off the field last year. But that's neither
here nor there. That's what he's thinking, and so that's
why he's going with Daniel Jones, because I want to
have as much control over this situation as I can,
and I feel like Daniel Jones gives me that. And
again we'll see, is it Gardner Minshew twenty twenty three,
where you're one play away from making the playoffs? Is
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Daniel Jones better than Gardner Minshew?
Speaker 11 (16:19):
Some may ask you a questions, Let's say he can
get Probably, honestly, I do think he's better than Gardner Minshew.
And your defense takes a little bit of a step
forward than in Shane seconds. I is the cultar playoffs?
Speaker 1 (16:31):
Right?
Speaker 3 (16:31):
So a question that if.
Speaker 2 (16:32):
They go to the playoffs, the wild card, and they
get beating the wild card, but they get to the playoffs. Now,
what do you do with Daniel Jones moving forward?
Speaker 4 (16:39):
It's terrifical, right, you're right back where you started exactly
so again.
Speaker 7 (16:43):
But I think from their perspective, they will much rather
have that on their resume to say, well, at least
have made the playoffs before you try to think about
changing anything up. Trust me, we made the playoffs. We
ended the drought. Hey, we may we had success this year.
Speaker 4 (16:55):
I get why Shane stike and is doing what he's doing.
Speaker 3 (16:58):
I get it.
Speaker 4 (17:00):
I just don't agree with how the organization has handled
Anthony Richardson, and Anthony richard has handled himself since day one. Again,
to me, it's just an organizational failure in the evaluation
at Florida and then the handling till he was good
enough to handle the line of scrimmage stuff on September tenth,
twenty twenty three, but on September seventh, twenty twenty five,
he's no longer able to handle that. To me, it's
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been just a miss handling since day one.
Speaker 2 (17:28):
I kind of feel like they're trying to plug the
holes of the boat and just keep the boat afloat
until they can figure out a better answer. Right now,
that's kind of what it feels like.
Speaker 7 (17:36):
Well, yeah, and I think the argument, at least from
the uproarf herd, from the fan base, I think they're
valid in this instance is like, Okay, if you miss
on Anthony, which I think at this point, I don't
see how you don't count that as a miss for
a pick or for the franchise, Why should any of
you have an opportunity to go get the next guy
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in theory, if it doesn't work out with Daniel Jones,
if it doesn't work wrout with Anthony Richardson, Now, why
should we trust you to make the decision again at
quarterback when it is the most important position probably in
North American sports.
Speaker 6 (18:07):
So.
Speaker 4 (18:10):
Not South American sports.
Speaker 3 (18:12):
I don't know they have. They have American football down there.
Speaker 5 (18:14):
Maybe a striker I guess they gave in Brazil coming
up in week two, important position on the soccer field.
Speaker 2 (18:22):
Uh, the nine.
Speaker 3 (18:22):
I'm gonna say goalie because the strike striker.
Speaker 2 (18:25):
Yeah, middle of the field forward nine.
Speaker 4 (18:28):
Okay, so that's more than like a magalder.
Speaker 3 (18:31):
You're done, all right, But should.
Speaker 4 (18:34):
We talk in the eleven. How's the MLS stadium update
here locally, it's a it's a good.
Speaker 3 (18:39):
Day for boy Chad.
Speaker 7 (18:40):
You can out there for the Noblesville Boom. Magan some
announcements I believe yesterday. So yeah, if you if you
want to pivot away from our circular talks about quarterbacks,
feel free.
Speaker 2 (18:50):
Kevin jeff with J says they kept saying last year
that all Richardson needed was actual playing time. You're not
going to learn how to play quarterback sitting on the
bench by find Daniel blanking Jones, Dan Jones, Dan Jones
and this thing you're making the move for Dan, you
got it.
Speaker 4 (19:06):
You gotta start it.
Speaker 2 (19:07):
Mark helped me out Dan Jones. What what does Dan
Daniel wants? Probably more?
Speaker 4 (19:12):
Doesn't strike me as one that'll be too optimistic about
my Dan idea.
Speaker 6 (19:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (19:16):
But to add to that, Kevin, I do think to
an extent the organization has to be able to say
or at least internally something to Anthony that because if
you're telling him we're not giving up on you. My
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question to follow up and I couldn't get a clear
answer yesterday, and I figured it wouldn't be the case
because your emotions are fresh and things are still kind
of new with the way the news came out, obviously,
if Daniel being the.
Speaker 3 (19:47):
Starter, however, what is the plan for Anthony? That's my thing?
What is it?
Speaker 4 (19:55):
Can you?
Speaker 7 (19:56):
Can you lay it out for me and tell me
how can he get better by not playing not getting
the reps? And you know how I feel about this,
And Jeff, you're not in the meeting rooms quite as
often as others, but whenever anybody mentions mental reps, I
roll my eyes. I don't care about that. I think
mental reps is a myth, honestly. I mean, I've taken
a lot of mental reps of NFL snaps and can't
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play look a quarterback. So how does he get better
by not playing? And how do you justify that part
of it?
Speaker 4 (20:22):
James, you and I chatted right after the press conference
ended yesterday and you were like, hey, Kevin, you know
that was a little feisty there. I don't do this
very often in press conferences. At one point I asked
Shane Second three questions in a row because I didn't
think he was making any sense to me, right, And
the root of it is what you just brought up.
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He kept on pointing to injuries for why Anthony Richardson
is not better at the line of scrimmage. And so
my question now becomes, Okay, when he had the injuries,
he was getting the mental reps, right, he was in
the meeting rooms. And then now he's back in the
meeting rooms. That's where he is at again, not getting
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these reps. And I don't know if there's a bigger
misconception than NFL practices in the rare season. Anthony Richardson
is going to run the scout team coming up here
in two weeks, He's gonna be the Miami Dolphins in practice.
He's not even gonna run the colts On playbook. And
we know the Colts op for Wednesday walkthroughs relatively early
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in seasons, so that amount of practice time. Hell, the
guy's not even playing Saturday in a preseason game.
Speaker 7 (21:32):
Like I do want to follow up on that at
some point with him, like why isn't he Like I
do you want to.
Speaker 4 (21:37):
See the nis None of that makes sense to me.
None of it. None of it makes sense, And tangibly,
how do you try and get you You're kicking the
can further down the road. And in my opinion. I
think you need clarity. I think you need gets the
final answer, and that answer can be a bad answer.
And if it's a bad answer, great, that means you
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can move on and you could dial up Field Yates
as mock draft and take who are they even taking
Mark with the eleventh pick? Fernando Mendoza, Penn State's Drew
Aller Boy, I think you just threw another one to
Notre Dame to Lord.
Speaker 3 (22:12):
I'll watched him in the casotball playoff last year. You
can go there.
Speaker 4 (22:15):
You can take a kid from South Carolina, you can
take a kid from LSU. You get you know, pray
that Arch comes out what you know. You can move
on and try to find the centerpiece of your franchise.
But now yesterday's news it just further kicks it down
the road.
Speaker 2 (22:30):
Mark real quickly, let's go to the phone lines before
we get to Stephen Holder coming off after the break,
Joe real quickly here on the fan hotline. What you
got today?
Speaker 6 (22:38):
Hey? Thanks taking make off? First off? James, is that
a Grace College great up in warsaw shirt?
Speaker 7 (22:43):
No, I'm sorry, this is a Grace Burger, sir from Indiana.
Set out to you legend. I do know Grace College though.
Speaker 9 (22:49):
All right, anyways, No, I was calling just say basically,
you know, I'm a Colts fan. When when Jim Harball
was there for Jim Harball, when Peyton may was there third,
you know, and so on and so forth, and I think, well,
he gets lost as there's obviously something going on that
maybe we just don't know about. Like it's kind of
like that guy at work that you know, he's a
nice guy and you know he has potential, but like
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he's just not getting it.
Speaker 6 (23:11):
Like the guy just doesn't get it for some reason,
and you're rooting for him, and you know he could.
Speaker 9 (23:16):
Be good if you could figured out, but he's just
not getting it. And it's like Daniel Jones. Could he
be the next dam Darnold that he turns his career around?
Could he be a Baker Mayfield? I mean even going
way back to like a rich Gannon who was a
journeyman gets with John Gruden and it becomes.
Speaker 6 (23:30):
A pro bowler.
Speaker 9 (23:31):
Like, is it possible that Daniel Jones, he's what twenty eight,
twenty nine years old? Could he turn his career around?
Could he be the future? Is it possible? I mean
we just need a guy that can make the layups.
I think I don't. We don't necessarily need a guy
that can hit home runs every time. We need a
guy that can make the layups and get the ball
to the playmakers. We have Tyler Warren, we have Josh Towns,
we have Johnson Taylor. The defense should be improved. I mean,
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why can't we be better? Why can't we be a good, competitive,
solid team.
Speaker 6 (23:57):
I mean when.
Speaker 9 (23:58):
Trent Dilfer won Super Bowl with the Race Evans, I
mean they didn't have Patrick Mahomes. I mean, you can
win games with good defense and running the ball. And
I just think that we got to support our colts
and we got to trust these guys that do this
for a living. This is their career and they want
to win. I mean, Sichon wants to win.
Speaker 2 (24:14):
We all want to win. I appreciate phone calling the perspective, Joe.
I'll also point out that the Ravens, everybody always says it,
you know, good defense. That was an historically.
Speaker 3 (24:21):
Great defense of all time.
Speaker 4 (24:24):
Yeah, I can't, Joe, appreciate the call. Thank you for listening.
Shout out to Grace College. I can't agree with that.
I mean, again and Where what's Baker Mayfield getting you,
what's Sam Donald's getting you, what's Geno Smith getting you?
How many playoff wins for those quarterbacks? Like everybody brings
this up, Like these guys have been making deep playoff runs?
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Did I miss all this?
Speaker 2 (24:46):
We saw? We saw when when it got real at
the very end quarterback Bergatory, they're just a little bit
higher up on the wrong than at the very end
of the season when things got real and in the
first week of the playoffs, Sam Donald went back being
Sam Donald.
Speaker 4 (25:00):
It just it feels like that premise in this conversation
is exactly what was said about Jacoby Brissett. It's exactly
what it's said about Joe Flacco's exactly what he's said
about Matt Ryant. It's the same song and dance. Just
sometimes the skin color is different on the quarterback. Sometimes
maybe the legs are a little bit better. Sometimes the
back of the baseball card looks a little different. But
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it's the same old, same old, big picture story.
Speaker 2 (25:26):
Hi coming up next, Stephen Holder. He covers the Colts
at ESPN. We'll talk to him next. Get his perspective.
As we continue on The Fan Morning Show ninety three,
five and one on seven fan busy day last fifty
six Yesterday the Indianapolis Colts giving the nod to Daniel Jones,
or as Kevin is trying to get it done Dan
Jones yesterday. Our next guest joins us now on the
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Payless Liquors Hotline. No stranger to the station, no stranger
to the Colts and Colts fans. Stephen Holder, who's been
a busy man like everybody else in the last I
don't know eighteen hours or so, joins us. Good morning, Steven.
I'm minding my own business this morning. Listen to Sports
Center on ESPN Radio this morning, and all of a sudden,
at five thirty three, I hear Steven Older coming out
of my radio there. How about that?
Speaker 8 (26:11):
Well, I was not awake at five thirty, so thankfully,
but they got a lot of airtime out of me,
so I'm sure they had plenty of content, so good
for them.
Speaker 2 (26:20):
So what was your take on everything that went down yesterday?
Speaker 6 (26:24):
Yeah?
Speaker 8 (26:25):
Excuse me, I really think the first thing that has
to be mentioned here is, Look, no one's pretending that
that Anthony Richardson is by any means perfect or had
you know or should feel like he had any expectation
of being owed anything anything like that. Right, he has
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left a lot to be desired, there's no question about that.
I think the big point here, the overarching point for me,
is that they made this decision irrespective of the future of.
Speaker 6 (27:01):
That position.
Speaker 8 (27:03):
On this football team, because you are not developing Anthony
Richardson with him sitting on the bench. I reject that
notion completely. He's not going to develop, not the way
he would when he's playing. And then the other thing
is you're doing that while committing to a guy who
has shown really no ability to elevate his team in
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six previous seasons. So it's not the fact that they're
not playing Anthony Richardson, it's that they're doing it.
Speaker 6 (27:36):
At the cost of.
Speaker 8 (27:37):
Finding out more about him, which they need to do,
and also in favor of a guy who clearly hasn't
elevated his team ever. And that is a you know,
that's a tough thing to maybe accept, I think for
a lot of fans. So we'll see there's a scenario
where they could be proven right, But that's a lot
to ask right.
Speaker 4 (27:55):
Now, Steve, and I know is a crazy busy day
for you, so appreciate you still making time for us
here on this Wednesday morning. You furthered the story late
last night in a conversation with Anthony Richardson's agent. The
quote there from Derek Jackson, we have a lot to
discuss in regards to Anthony's future with the Colts. What
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did you make of your conversation? And didn't seem like
it went all the way to the trade demand sort
of point, but certainly some whatever displeasure, if that's the
right word to use from the Richardson camp over this news.
Speaker 6 (28:32):
Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 8 (28:33):
I mean, he had not spoken to Chris Balor at
that point. He was hoping to do that later in
the evening, so I'm not sure what came of that,
but a lot of this disappointment in that conversation, and
I think the overarching point I think in the conversation was, look, you,
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they feel like they being you know, Derek and Anthony,
Derek being his agent. They feel like we did everything
you asked us to do. They you know, for Nicoles,
and he was asked to go out and work in
the off season. Everyone agrees he did that and we
saw the product of that. I thought in training camp,
I thought he was much more mechanically smooth. He looked
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like he was much more put together right as a quarterback.
Doesn't mean he was a finished product. He certainly is not,
but he took it upon himself to get better.
Speaker 6 (29:26):
Then.
Speaker 8 (29:26):
I think there's also the history right where the benching
last season, the way that was handled it was messy.
The way the back issue was kind of characterized that
was that was of some annoyance as well. So it's
an accumulation of things that have brought I think both
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of them to a point where like, we don't we
don't really, we're not really listening to anything you say
at this point. You know, what will be will be?
I think that's where Richardson and his camp are at
this point.
Speaker 4 (29:59):
How do you see it playing out like best case scenario?
Would you not best case scenario? But I don't know.
Maybe most realistic case, like this season rides out as
the backup well, you know, if and when Daniel Jones
gets hurt or doesn't play well, you know, perhaps we
see Richardson in there again and then maybe something happens
in the offseason. There's so many layers there. It's probably
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unfair question to even ask, but how do you see
the Richardson end of his career here in India if
you want to label at that playing out now?
Speaker 8 (30:30):
I mean, I think the most likely scenario is that
he does remain on the roster. And I think at
that point, if you are Anthony Richardson, you know, well,
who knows what happens with the front office and coaching staff,
right But if he's on the roster at that point
and he doesn't see a future here, which right now
would be the case, that's for your release or a trade.
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But I think that I think that trade request is
probably gonna come. I really do. Now do I think
they trade him? No, not necessarily. I mean, this is
this is me talking. I'm not speaking for Derek, but
I'm just saying this in terms of where they are now.
I mean, that's going to come up in the conversation now,
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whether it's a formal trade request, I don't know, you
know what I mean, Maybe Chris can smooth it over,
I don't know. But Derek's pissed. I'm not going to
sugarcoat he's pissed. What I what I wrote is frankly
the mildest version of that conversation. So now whether you
feel like they have the right to feel that way.
I mean that's up to the individual. But the feelings
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are what they are, right, and people feel how they feel.
So there's a lot of animosity there, and I think
if you watch training camp, it's not surprising, right. I mean,
we can't truly sit here and say Daniel Jones significantly
outplayed Anthony Richardson. That's not true, right, But the cults
are free to make whatever decision they want, and there
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is a justification for it. I mean, Shane gave one.
But I do think that when you feel like you've
been told there's been a commitment made to you, and
then it goes a different way when you feel like
you did your part, that's a tough thing to swallow.
Speaker 6 (32:11):
So anyway to.
Speaker 8 (32:12):
Your original question, what happens, I think he probably ends
up here throughout the season. But the last thing I
would say is keep in mind before or when he
was drafted last season. Excuse me, when he was benched
last season, excuse me, there were teams that called and said, hey,
what are your plans there? They were kind of curious,
So could that happen again?
Speaker 2 (32:34):
Steven Holder on the Payless Lickers hotline.
Speaker 7 (32:36):
Go ahead, James Holder, I'll pivot to this part of
the conversation because to me, I don't necessarily blame the
Colts for benching Anthony Richison. Again, I don't think that
he had like the strongest argument ever. I did read
your story and great work there. But when I saw
Derek say he had a great camp by all accounts,
I was thinking not by most of our accounts. We
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were there every day. It was not a great camp.
It was a camp opinion. But neither here nor there.
What plan do you see the Colts having for him?
That's the question I want to ask Shane and Richardson,
But like, what is the plan? If you're telling us
you're not giving up on him, and this is what
it looks and feels like, what is the plan? And
I guess where do you kind of fall in that discussion?
Speaker 8 (33:21):
I mean, I think it's a bad plan. The plan
is to let him run the scout team.
Speaker 6 (33:25):
Okay, well, whoop do you do?
Speaker 8 (33:27):
I mean this isn't going to get him anywhere, is
what I'm saying. So if the priority here is we're
going to try to win and save our jobs, then
all right, And I guess they think they're doing the
right thing if the priority is we want to develop
this quarterback and also give ourselves a chance that maybe
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having a chance at a higher ceiling, just because he
is the unknown commodity, right, and I get it right,
there's some risk involved there in the bigger picture, and
maybe that's not a maybe that's not a path or
to walk. But but if if that's not a consideration,
then basically what you're saying is you're taking the time
out with Anthony Richardson, you know what I mean, Like,
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he's not Riley Leonard who needs to go learn how
to like you know, how to learn NFL defenses and
that kind of thing. I mean, Anthony Richardson needs more
development there. But the man has played NFL football, right,
So that's that type of learning is only going to
help him so much. And the point I made on
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TV is that he had that in year one. He
had thirteen games of watching Gardner Minshew and Shane Syke
and do their thing, and that got him where, right,
So that type of learning has a limited effect. You
got to play, and he will not be playing. So
I see this as frankly potentially a wasted year for
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Anthony Richardson, I don't really see how you phrased it
any other way. The other thing I would say is
that if you are if you com to a quarterback,
if you commit to drafting a project quarterback, you got
to see it through. And they're not seeing it through.
That is just is what it is, and they have
to own that and they are not.
Speaker 7 (35:09):
And then to follow up, you mentioned the project quarterback part,
and obviously for Anthony, I think a lot of the
reason he's here was because Shane advocated for him be here.
Now Shane is advocating for Daniel Jones.
Speaker 3 (35:21):
And so.
Speaker 7 (35:24):
Two part question here, how much of Anthony Richardson's lack
of development do you think falls on Shane's stichen And
then how much should he be trusted with the resurrection,
because that's what you're trying to do with Danie Jones,
trying to resurrect his career. How much should he be
trusted with that? In regards to.
Speaker 8 (35:38):
Jones, I mean, I think you have to ask questions,
and some of this stuff is impossible to answer, right
because none of us are in the meeting room, We're
not in the huddle or any of that.
Speaker 6 (35:50):
So I don't know.
Speaker 3 (35:51):
Because your ESPN access to get in there.
Speaker 8 (35:53):
Come on, man, it's funny how there's limitations how far
they can get you.
Speaker 6 (35:58):
True. I just it's interesting. Though.
Speaker 8 (36:01):
I think your question is totally fair, and I think
we have to ask those questions though you know we
won't get straight answers maybe, but those are fair questions
because we talk all the time about these quarterbacks that
had these second acts. They go somewhere else and certainly
and suddenly they start to flourish. Well, you know, we
don't talk about enough in those situations. It's not just
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experienced necessarily. Some of it is experience in time and
so forth. But maybe the question should also be asked, well,
what happened in those earlier stops? How were they handled?
How were they coached? How were they developed?
Speaker 6 (36:38):
Right?
Speaker 8 (36:38):
I mean that's a question too. Why does it have
to take five or six years? Is that all about
experience or are there other things that work too?
Speaker 6 (36:47):
So?
Speaker 8 (36:47):
I do think you can't come. You can't put all
this on the twenty three year old quarterback who didn't
know what the hell he was doing. Okay, let's just
be honest, right, you can't put all of it on him.
Some of it's on him for sure, and we've got
to be a serious quarterback and a serious individual, which
I think is finally happening. But not all of it
is on Anthony. Some of it has to be on
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the team that took him, knowing who he was and
what he was when they drafted him.
Speaker 2 (37:12):
Steven, Great to see you this past weekend. Good to
hear you this morning. We'll run into each other again soon.
Thank you for being here.
Speaker 6 (37:19):
All right, let's talk about see you guys soon.
Speaker 2 (37:22):
We've been yapping about this all day long and listening
to the text line and some phone callers, and we'll
get some national perspective now as we turn to the
Payless Liquors hotline and from NFL Network, Tom Pellasero, terrific
reporter there, joins us now on the Fan Morning show.
Speaker 4 (37:36):
Good morning, Tom. It's never boring for you.
Speaker 2 (37:38):
There's always somebody in a quarterback controversy somewhere in America
for you.
Speaker 9 (37:42):
Right Well, we're on the pretty short list at this
point of the competitions in camp, but you're right, we'll
be a week or two in the season and people
will be calling for somebody to get benched somewhere. You know,
this one was really going all the way back to
the combine. When Chris Ballard said it's going to be
an open competition, you knew that they were going to
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try to bring in somebody to really and truly push
Anthony Richardson. You know, the unfortunate part in all this is,
I don't know that you ever really got.
Speaker 6 (38:12):
The type of competition that you would have won it.
Speaker 9 (38:14):
We all know Anthony Richardson what he needs above all
else his reps.
Speaker 6 (38:18):
He needs time on task.
Speaker 9 (38:19):
And for a guy who had bottled injuries his first
two years to come in and have the shoulder issue
in the spring and then hit the start in the
first preseason game and dislocate his pinky right out of
the gate, it just it.
Speaker 6 (38:32):
Felt like a continuation.
Speaker 9 (38:33):
I don't think that, by any stretch, this is the
end of Anthony Richardson. You know, there's plenty of other
quarterbacks who you know, have not been able to put
it all together in the first couple of years. And
they get trader, do they get cut and they go
someplace else? And I mean, shoot, we're still talking about
Trey Lance. You know, oh, you know, great preseason that
he had with the Chargers. It's like you know, year
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five or six or whatever it is for Trey Lance.
At this point, there's no reason that we can't, you know,
be talking about Anthony Richard since somewhere down the line.
But you know, the guy needs to play, he needs
to practice. He didn't get the opportunity to do that,
and the Colts just starts in a position where they
can allow him to get that time on task in
regular season games where you know, wins and jobs are
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at stake.
Speaker 7 (39:17):
Tom James Woyd here from the Athletic and I enjoy
your work as well. You certainly keep me busy like
the rest of us in this reporting world. And I
do want to pivot a bit back to what you've
just said. With Anthony. There is hope that he can
still become something. But the narrative that the cults are
trying to push right now is that they haven't given
up on him. They's a future for him in Indianapolis.
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But how realist do you think that is? Considering that
he's a now former top five pick that's been bench
twice in nine months. Those players usually don't work out
with the same franchise, So how realistic is it for
him to work out Indianapolis.
Speaker 9 (39:53):
Still, well, let's start with the reality, James. Did you know,
quarterbacks get hurt, And certainly I don't w that on
Daniel Jones at all, but the odds are over half
the teams in the league us multiple quarterbacks in the season.
We may see Anthony Richardson playing for the Colts this year,
and quite frankly, given where he's at in his career,
the best opportunity for him to show something in twenty
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twenty five it's going to be with the Colts not
getting traded next week and going to a team and
a coach and a scheme that he's not familiar with.
And so, you know, big picture, what does this mean
for Anthony Richardson.
Speaker 6 (40:28):
I would go back to this.
Speaker 9 (40:29):
You remember how this all unfolded back in twenty twenty
three when they had a couple of quarterbacks on the roster,
and again it was a real competition, you know, the
late Jim Mersey, you know, came out and said, hey,
Anthony's going to be you know, we look forward to
Anthony richard handed off to Jonathan Taylor. That was kind
of the first time that anybody was like, oh, Richardson's
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going to play now, that wasn't really you know, the
the I don't want to say the plan, but it
wasn't really the thought process. It was, hey, you're going
to get this guy on the field. Maybe he's playing
goal line short yardage packages, but not to be in
every game starter. And obviously, you know, he played I
believe four games that year and he got hurt in
three of them, and so you know, ultimately we didn't
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see a ton of him on the field. But what
is happening right now with Anthony Richardson at age twenty four,
younger than Tyler Shuck, younger than some of the other
rookie we're in the league right now, This is probably
what should happen for him in twenty twenty three, which
is getting the opportunity to be behind a veteran who
you know, say what you will about Daniel Jones, like
he's won games in the league, he's won a playoff
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game in the league, he started a whole bunch.
Speaker 6 (41:36):
You'll be behind.
Speaker 9 (41:36):
Somebody who's going to be a good guy in the room,
and you can you can you watch and learn a
little bit here. Anthony Richardson got put in a really
tough spot. I don't think it's unfair, because there is
no fair in the NFL. But it was a really
difficult spot of hey, and I get you know why
you got there, which was this guy needs to play,
so let's put him out there. But you know, in
hindsight and even in foresight, oh, what should have been
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the plan initially here? And so the best thing for
Anthony Richardson of course now is that he truly can
sit back for a while and watch and learn and
get better in practice and run the scout team and
who knows, maybe making all those scout team reps in
a few months here.
Speaker 6 (42:16):
You know, by staying healthy with this.
Speaker 9 (42:18):
Point in his NFL career, maybe that puts him in
a better position than what his next opportunity comes. You know,
he's better for it. And much like Bryce Young last
year with the Panthers, he got benched after the second game.
I mean, that was the number one pick in the
draft in that same year, you know, and then once
Bryce Young got another opportunity because Andy Dalton was in
a car accident of all things, he was more ready.
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But a big part of that was Bryce Young leading
through continuing to be that guy, you know, working behind
the scenes and being ready, not knowing what his opportunity
was getting.
Speaker 4 (42:50):
Definitely echo what James said. Tom Pelser do is great
work NFL Network where you can find him insider there.
You can see him on the Insiders That's weak Night,
seven pm Eastern, All NFL Network.
Speaker 3 (43:01):
Tom.
Speaker 4 (43:01):
We saw Derek Jackson, Anthony's agent reach out to Steven
Holder covers could ESPN and mentioned, Yeah, they are unhappy
about this situation not going all the way to the
trade request. We had Steven on earlier and he mentioned
he didn't feel like maybe that was the most far
fetched thing that could come down the road. From the
Richardson camp, What do you think the market would look like?
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Do you compare it all to Trey Lance's market a
few years ago? What do you think potential compensation could
be for Anthony Richardson.
Speaker 9 (43:31):
I believe Trey Lance went for a fourth round pick
and it was right around this same time when the
Cowboys traded for him. I think that it would probably
be a similar type of a thing Trey Lance. It
was the same deal, which was he hadn't played kind
of football. He'd played more, he'd started more games in
North Dakota State, but just hadn't played a whole lot.
He had accuracy issues, like Anthony Richardson has not been
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the most accurate quarterback so far in his career, and
he'd been hurt a lot. So it's probably in a
similar type.
Speaker 6 (43:59):
Of a vein.
Speaker 9 (43:59):
It's probably a mid round type of a pick. And
the question that you have to ask yourself if you
are you know Chris.
Speaker 6 (44:06):
Ballad or Shane Steichen.
Speaker 9 (44:08):
Or Carli ersay, is is that worth it?
Speaker 6 (44:11):
You know Trey Lance.
Speaker 9 (44:12):
The other piece of this was when the forty niners
traded Trey Lance, they had Brock Purdy and Brock Purty
was going to be the guy that was Kyle's guy
that you know, it was very affairent.
Speaker 6 (44:23):
He was going to be the starter.
Speaker 9 (44:24):
When you have, you know, another guy who's a former
high graphic sitting behind, that puts more pressure on the
guy who's starting. It can create a lot of questions.
I don't know that you have those same types of
questions with Daniel Jones, who, by the way, is only
twenty eight himself. But it's not like, you know, Daniel
Jones is one hundred percent the answer, you know, for
the next ten years, like the forty nine ers felt
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about party.
Speaker 6 (44:46):
You know, you hope that he is. You hope that
maybe you fell into.
Speaker 9 (44:49):
Something on a one year, fourteen million dollar contract and
you get your guy and that settles all these questions.
But I don't think that the same dynamic exists here
in terms of the pressure all on the pressure on
the Colts to do something and to move on from
the player.
Speaker 6 (45:05):
I just don't think that that exists. So you know,
we'll see.
Speaker 9 (45:07):
My understanding from talking to people yesterday is that's not
the thought process for the team. I understand, you know,
I've known Derek a long time. I understand, you know,
the frustration for him, the frustration for Anthony Richardson. But
I just go back to this, you know, as as
you might be mad about it and you might think,
you know, this isn't you know the trust has been
(45:28):
fractured or whatever that quote was that he gave the holder.
But at the same time, realistically, if Anthony Richardson sees
the field in twenty twenty five, he's better off seeing
the field than Indy again, because going someplace new Man,
being a quarterback, there's some positions you can get traded,
you know, even in the season, and you can go
out and play that week. Quarterback is not the spot
(45:49):
you want to be doing that. The Baker Mayfield going
to the Rams and starting three days later and rebooting
his career, those situations are few and far between.
Speaker 6 (45:56):
For Richardson, just.
Speaker 9 (45:57):
Continuing to you know, be on top of the thing,
knowing that it was a close competition with Daniel Jones
and being able just to kind of push forward within
that context that to me seems like the better outcome here.
We'll see what levers, if any he and his agent
decided to pull here.
Speaker 7 (46:14):
Tom just Tom just ruined in my childhood dreams there
with you know, the Madden. You know, I'm thinking, I'm
mad and I just drop players in and have my franchise.
Speaker 3 (46:22):
It worked back then, Tom, but it works.
Speaker 9 (46:25):
For Baker's now a Pro Bowl quarterback. Like it's the
wildest story ever. I think they claimed him on a Monday.
Speaker 6 (46:32):
And he started on a Thursday.
Speaker 9 (46:33):
That one I'll never Yeah, I'll get over.
Speaker 7 (46:36):
My dad's uh no, along those lines. My dad's a
diehard Raiders fan. I never let him forget that game.
I'm like, you let a guy come into your house
and beat you on like a couple of days, rest
and and literally like you know, a couple of backyard plays.
But going back to the Colts for a second, and
I really would appreciate your respective on this. So the
decision is Daniel Jones, and obviously they have to feel
(46:56):
confident enough to make that decision to make him QB one.
Speaker 3 (47:00):
But within that, Tom.
Speaker 7 (47:02):
How much pressure do you think this regime just put
on itself to basically bet on Daniel Jones, Like you know,
how much leash do they have left or you know,
goodwill or grace should they get if this doesn't work out?
You know when it comes to Chris Ballard and Shane Styching.
Speaker 9 (47:18):
Well, I think that part of the reason. And I
know that Shane talked about this is a decision made
for twenty twenty five.
Speaker 6 (47:23):
It's not about the future.
Speaker 9 (47:25):
But you heard the words from Shane. It's about consistency,
it's about communication, It's about getting in the right play
and making the right checks. You know, that's all the
way of saying, you know, they know what.
Speaker 6 (47:36):
They're getting in Daniel Jones.
Speaker 9 (47:39):
They know, you know, the best way to put it
might be this, does Daniel Jones scare you if you're
a defense Maybe not, But he doesn't.
Speaker 8 (47:47):
Scare you as his own coaches.
Speaker 9 (47:49):
Either Anthony Richardson scares the opposing defense, but he also
might scare his own coaches. So do you want the
known commodity do you want the guy confident? You know, Hey,
here's what Daniel's limitations are, here's the things he does well.
We're going to build around those things he does well.
Or do you have Anthony Richardson who's going to make
the splash plays but you just don't know, you know,
(48:12):
from play in and play out, is he also going
to make the big mistake? You know, if you're you know,
if you feel like your job is on the line.
And I think that it's fair to say any coach
who's entering year three and has not yet made the
playoffs any GM frankly that's been in the job as
long as Chris has, you know, Yeah, there's a level
of pressure, There's no doubt about it. And then you
you you know, add into the context, do you have
(48:33):
a new controlling owner in the situation too. There's a
lot of different dynamics here where certainly you have to
be taking those things into consideration. But to me, you know,
what you need to prove right now, if you're you know,
if you're Chris and Shane is just Hey, the rest
of his roster's pretty good. And whether Anthony Richardson ultimately
works out or he doesn't, we built a pretty strong team.
(48:55):
The only way that you find that and show that
is that you get somebody in that you trust to
run your operation and get the ball in the hands
of your playmakers. You know, Anthony Richardson still might get
there someday. Again, he's younger than some of the guys
who got drafted this year, but he's not there yet.
I don't think that that's a secret. He's just not
there yet. And you know, so you put in the
(49:16):
guy who you you trust. Hey, we at least know
what we're getting with this player. Let's build around his strengths.
He's going to process, he's going to get us into
the right play and you roll from there. You know,
time will tell if this ends up being the right bet.
But to me, you know the other part of this too,
And I had people within the league say this to
me when they were talking about that quarterback competition, along
(49:36):
the lines of, well, you just you got to roll
with Richardson first, and then if he fails, you go
to Daniel Jones. I actually thought the opposite, and going
back to the spring, everything I heard was it was
probably going to be Daniel Jones. And the thinking is
you're not going to get a spark from Daniel Jones.
Daniel Jones is the steady guy. The spark comes if, hey,
if this thing isn't looking good enough, and then you
(49:56):
put in this six foot five, two hundred and forty
pound on cannon armed dude. That's where the spark comes from.
And again I would just go back to Anthony Richardson.
What he's got to do from this point forward is
pour everything into being ready for that moment, because you
don't know if that's coming in the first half of
Week one or it's not coming till December, but it's coming.
(50:16):
And if you are able to show some of those flashes,
whether your futures in Indianapolis or somewhere else, that's what's
going to drive you to get your next opportunity in
the NFL.
Speaker 2 (50:26):
Tom thanks for your time this morning. We appreciate it.
I know you're back out to some other camps, but
we'll look for you on NFL Network and see you
down the road.
Speaker 6 (50:34):
You got a guess, Thanks
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