September 3, 2025 • 50 mins
00:00 – 23:46 – The importance of the first three games for the Colts but can the Colts take advantage?, slowing down the Dolphins heavy hitters on offense, where does Anthony Richardson go from here?, James’ article on Anthony Richardson
23:47 – 36:44 – ESPN Colts reporter Stephen Holder joins us and Kevin gives him and his Miami Hurricanes their flowers after beating Notre Dame, his initial thoughts on the Colts ahead of the season opener and Daniel Jones, Tyler Warren expectations in Game 1, would you be more surprised if the Colts finished with a top-8 or bottom-8 finish?, Irsay daughters’ expectations, where he was the last time the Colts won a season opener
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 4 (00:42):
And I almost had an exit stage right there.
Speaker 1 (00:44):
Uh, but no, we are. We're all optimistic because everybody
is zero and zero in the NFL. Of course, Indian
and Purdue have both won a game. We'll leave it
at that right now, KB, But we got the Colts
getting ready for Week one against the Miami Dolphins. Obviously
a lot of things different from the last time the
two teams played. But we've been talking about this kind
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of ad nauseum. But I'll bring it up again for
those just showing us this morning, those first three games.
I can't underscore the importance of this schedule for those colts. Again,
with Miami and Denver out of the game, the two
teams that you were battling nailed to nail with for
the final playoff spot in the AFC last year. You
get them right out of the gate, and you got
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to make something happen. And then you go into You're
only playing Tennessee twice in the first I think eight weeks,
and then you play everybody else in the division in
the last six or seven. They got to get out
to this decent start here. It's going to be a
long season.
Speaker 4 (01:38):
Yeah, I mean, I remember the night the schedule came
out back in May. I came in here the next morning.
I felt a little foolish to distress it, but I
was like, you know, weeks one and two, Miami and Denver.
It might be foolish to say the word like playoff
implications on September third, but on December third or January third,
it could very well look like that. And so yes,
(01:59):
I would agree. I think outside of Houston, the two matchups,
which are both late in the year, I think these
are the two biggest games on the schedule, and largely
the Cult schedule in twenty twenty five is backloaded, which
I get that you have a new starting quarterback and
you have a new defense, but you've got to get
these games early because I think the schedule carries much
more challenging whether it's road trips, whether it's just games
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in general. Late in the year. You know, it's at
Kansas City, it's at Seattle. You know, both those Houston
games are late in the year. We'll see what San
Francisco is come late December. But right now, you look
at the schedule, guys, I mean, the Cults are probably
gonna be favored and what for their first six which
is kind of wild to say, but if you look
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at that schedule, there are some very very on paper
manageable opportunities for you early in the season.
Speaker 1 (02:51):
James Boyd we Kevin brought this up just a minute ago.
One of the things you do going into the first
week and over the last couple of a week, week,
ten days something like that, final roster cuts, and then
they turn into waiver wire pickups and other guys get released.
And now we come to a head where we actually
have a real too deep what's it look like right now?
(03:12):
And any surprises for you as the Colts have their
roster and positional ranking set at this point in time.
Speaker 3 (03:20):
No surprises.
Speaker 2 (03:22):
I guess my biggest question mark outside of quarterback obviously
would be the other starting cornerback spot. I believe Xavin
Howard is listed as a starter on the unofficial depth
chart as of right now, and that is quite the
task for a guy who has not played football since
twenty twenty three, And for me, I would like to
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think that he can play, but I got to see it.
I am probably a pessimist of the highest order. When
you're out of the league for a year, somebody didn't
sign you, and I know he mentioned that some of
they had to do with perhaps the lawsuit he had
against him. However, it's still a long time to be
out of the league, and we know the NFL. Let's
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not pretend like they're going to be, you know, hiring
only people that are of the highest you know, moral
standing or whatever legal standing.
Speaker 3 (04:15):
Things like that.
Speaker 2 (04:16):
If you can play, you play. So I am curious
to see what he looks like in his first game.
And you know what, twenty something months.
Speaker 4 (04:23):
We James, I would add too, not only did he
not play last year, but now he's trying to play
as a thirty two year old cornerback, which those just
don't grow on trees and so and he's facing his
former team. And you know, not that we watched a
lot of practice because he didn't get here until after
training camp was over, but you know when we were
out there, Alec Pierce did just cook him on one,
just simple go route, and I would think Mike McDaniel
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was not born yesterday, I think he will dial up
one or two to try and isolate Tyreek Hill and
or Jalen waddle on Xavion Howard. So yeah, that stands
out to me as a big Week one story line.
You know, how do your corners hold up against? You know,
as lou Anroumo described the Miami offense yesterday, he could
carry the baton and close out a four by one
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hundred race and he'd be pretty set with Devin a Chain,
Tyreek Hill and Jalen Waddell. So, I mean, they can
track meet you. The question is can you limit that
as best you can? They did a great job of
it last year, but again Toole was not operating under center,
and this is the guy that led the NFL and
competion percentage last year, and it's just a much different quarterback.
So you know, that's really I think are a lot
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of areas the Colts have advantages in this matchup, but
that is one that I have some concern. Can your
corners new corners hold up against a passing attack that
has guys that you better not get lulled asleep on
because if you do, you know, six can turn into
sixty pretty quick.
Speaker 1 (05:47):
Yeah, and we've seen many a game where Jalen Wattle
is the guy that ends up having eight catches for
one hundred and seventeen yards and two touchdowns because people
sometimes get overly concerned about Tyreek Hill and then another
bead merchant you talked about just a moment ago, you
better not let James Boyd Devon Eitchen get the corner
or you're gonna be waving goodbye.
Speaker 3 (06:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
I mean a lot of it will have to do
with containment and making sure that you, like Kevin say,
you don't let those you know, little plays are into
huge plays, but that's kind of what the Dolphins have
been known for. And the math will be a little
a little bit different. We have two out there versus
some of the quarterbacks we saw last year or so.
I'm just excited to see something that matters, something that counts,
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and so we can get away from you know, what
could be, what might be, look at what is, and
then regroup from there depending on how things go. But yeah,
I'm also shout out to Alex Lover in our YouTube chat,
he was telling me he was not confusing the temptations
with me. I just like David Ruffane, you all anybody
coming to see you otis.
Speaker 4 (06:52):
So I thought you met the moment quite well.
Speaker 2 (06:54):
You know, it's always a hater out there, but you know,
I mean I'm doing something right. But again to the Colts,
in all seriousness, I do think they have everything sort
of set up for them to win this Week one matchup.
You know, the Dolphins are banged up. You know they're
not I believe at the peak of the powers like
they were a couple of years ago when they won
eleven games, I believe and kind of set all these
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records for points. I think they put up seventy on
somebody a couple of years ago. And then now when
you look at what the Colts are doing. You do have,
I believe, a better defense. It might be revamped, it
might be different, but I mean it's hard to get
worse than what you had. And then offensively, the belief
again is that if you get steady quarterback play, you
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should be able to, you know, sustain enough offense to
put up some points.
Speaker 1 (07:42):
Is Miami a team defensively that the Colts can play
ball control against? Can they just run the ball? I
don't know, thirty five times, keep the ball away from
Miami's offense and.
Speaker 3 (07:51):
Just wear them down?
Speaker 1 (07:53):
Is that Is that something that the Colts could do here?
Speaker 4 (07:55):
Yeah, Miami's round even I think a little better than
what people would think. And they remember they did Kenneth Grant,
the Merrillville product, just be Kenneth Grant. Yeah, just before
the Colts took Tyler Warren and James you know this
full well. Wouldn't that have been quite the debate for
Chris Ballard. If Kenneth Grant was on the board with
Tyler Warren their pick.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
He probably you know, loved him because he loves all
the big guys.
Speaker 4 (08:21):
And I don't know if the Colts fans would have
gotten answer they would have hoped for in all honesty
had those two been on the board. So that's a
big body there. You know, they actually have a lot
of names on the edge. You know, Bradley Chubb, you know,
Jalen Phillips missed last year's matchup, a former first round pick.
They signed Matthew Judon just a couple of weeks ago,
so again they have some of these names. It's like,
all right, what's left in the tank for some of
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these guys. Remember they're very banged up corner wise. But
they did trade, you know, they traded Jalen Ramsey for
Mika Fitzpatrick back in the spring, and we've seen Minka,
of course, you know, have some huge moments in his
career against the Colts. So definitely an ability I think to, yeah,
try and play the ball control and you know that's
how you know the cults are going to largely be
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built on managing it, on you know, living in more
of a methodical nature. I think this Colts offense is
going to have to be more of the ten play
eighty R drives than the other aspect to it of
you know, hey, we're gonna sprinkle in some big plays here.
It's gonna have to be more of a methodical moving
offense with Daniel Jones operating things, and certainly Jonathan Taylor
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will be a big, big part of it.
Speaker 3 (09:27):
Was Week one last year.
Speaker 2 (09:29):
Was that the game that Anthony had the three completions
of at least fifty yards. I remember that correctly, Kevin,
because yeah, yeah, the moon shot to Alec Pierce.
Speaker 4 (09:37):
Yeah, Doolan had a big one, right, Yeah, that was one.
Speaker 3 (09:39):
Of the best roles, probably the best ro I've ever
seen in my life. In person.
Speaker 1 (09:42):
We were all in on Anthony Richards at the end
of that game, weren't we for the most part.
Speaker 2 (09:45):
I mean, yeah, or at least the experience, because the
completion percent is wasn't there, but you had the huge,
you know.
Speaker 3 (09:53):
Field flipping plays.
Speaker 2 (09:55):
Whereas what Kevin points out I think is more realistic
for this offense, really for any offense, is you want
to be able to sustain. I think that's what the
culture trading. They're like, Okay, maybe we don't get those
highlight reel plays, but at the end of the day,
we actually get something to come away from it, because
it's hard. It's hard to sustain that level of explosiveness,
especially when you're not consistent with the other little things,
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and so I'm curious see how that goes. But also,
you know, beyond the quarterback play, I think a lot
of it will come down to if you do want
to control the game and you know, run the ball.
Speaker 3 (10:26):
Jt is obviously a big part of that.
Speaker 2 (10:27):
Jonathan Taylor, he's one of the best backs in the
league still, but what it looks like behind him. Will
get more clarity on Tyler Goodson and his elbow later
today with the injury report and also just seeing practice
ourselves and taking attendance. But also what does that mean
for DJ Giddens, the rookie. How much burn is he
gonna get? Well, I'm using slang, I'm sorry. Burn in
my world means time, playing time when it comes to
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week one.
Speaker 4 (10:50):
Yeah, and I also have just kind of found myself
going here as week one gets closer and that Daniel
Jones era gets closer. What an opportunity for Daniel Joneses.
I mean, when you think about it, his career was
dead in New York, he asked to be traded. He
goes to Minnesota and he's the third stringer there, nothing
happens at all, and all of a sudden he finds
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an opportunity where there's a legit quarterback battle. He now
is a starter again in the NFL. And the last
time we saw him he was got awful. Yeah, and
now he has one of the thirty two jobs. He's
in the easiest division in the AFC. He's with an
offense that has a bona fie top five running back.
He has a tight end that was just drafted, you know,
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coming off of arguably the greatest college football season we've
seen for a tight end in thirty some years. He's
got an O line that largely is intact a pass
catching corps at wide out that you would think is
the best it's been in a while. I mean, what
an unbelievable opportunity for Daniel Jones to save his career.
And I'm very fascinated to watch how he reacts to
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all of this. This is not New York of the
six overall pick pressure expectations are beyond low for him.
And if he just seemingly goes out there and has
a decent one year, he can turn it into what
you know, Sam Darnold and some of these others have
done there. So you know how Daniel Jones reacts to
all of this, because I do think the leash is
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longer than it was for Joe Flacco last year. I'm
gonna be super curious to watch.
Speaker 1 (12:21):
It just makes me think, can you imagine any other
industry where you could be objectively bad at what you're
doing for two years, have one, not two employers give
up on you, and then recover with a fourteen million
dollars a year contract to get a chance to start
all over again. That's golden right there. You talk about opportunity, Kevin,
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that's golden right there. And if you perform, if you
perform fairly well this year, you're gonna make twice that at.
Speaker 3 (12:48):
Some point in the future for their life.
Speaker 2 (12:51):
Which two gave up on him? I know, obviously Giant Vikings.
Oh well, well he wasn't going.
Speaker 1 (12:57):
Anywhere with the Vikings. JJ McCarthy.
Speaker 3 (12:59):
Well they wanted him back, that's what. Yeah, they wanted
him back.
Speaker 1 (13:03):
But at nobody wanted him as a starter.
Speaker 3 (13:05):
Yeah, yeah, I was just making sure.
Speaker 2 (13:06):
I was confused for a second, but yeah, they wanted
him back, and he turned him down because he came
to Indianapolis thinking that he could take a job and
want a job, and he did.
Speaker 3 (13:14):
Speaking of that. I actually have a story just came
out at the top of this hour on Anthony Richardson.
I spoke to one on one.
Speaker 2 (13:21):
This was at training camp five days actually before they
officially named Jones the starter. There's some stuff in there
from AR and one of the quotes that sticks with
me that I use in the story. And again this
is all before he was demoted again. And we were
standing on the practice field just kind of set the sting,
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and Daniel Jones runs by to go do his media
and I have AR one on one and I tell him,
I'm like, man, I know you're a good teammate, and
I know you're not going to like sabotage this guy,
but he did come here to take what's yours in
a sense, to take your job. And I asked him,
how do you feel about that? And Anthony's response was,
this is a quote that he gave me. Man, you
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can't let nobody come in your house and eat your
food without permission. That's the way I think about it.
They brought him in to come do a job and
take a job. Ultimately, it's like, yeah, I can't let
anybody come in here and take over what I've got
going on. But then again, I can't think about that.
I just got to get better and improve in every aspect,
so them naming me QB one will be easy. And
then again you talk about nobody taking what's yours and
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coming into your house, and five days later Daniel Jones
kicking the sea up on the couch saying I'm home.
So I'm very curious to see, and the story is
kind of laid it out, like what does Anthony do
from here? When you're being told that they still believe
in you, but your opportunities to kind of showcase who
you are are very, very limited. And I do believe
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the next time he takes the field, which is likely
because most teams last year did not play just one
quarterback all year, and most of that had to do
with injuries, even if it's just for a game or two,
the next time anthy Rison starts in Indianapolis, even if
he isn't the guy in Indianapolis, that will be such
a huge moment in his career. And I know the
Colts will try to tell us that, oh, it doesn't
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mean you know everything or it's not a make or
break season. But kind of going back to what Zach
Keifer wrote in The Athletic recently, with some of these
quarterback plans, this is the type of stuff that will
break you or can break you if you're a young quarterback.
So I'm very, very curious to see how Anthony bounces back.
And then the last quote I'll give you, which I
think was the most like ominous in a way, because
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it's always better you get a player one on one,
especially have a relationship with him. You can kind of
just shoot to him straight. So I literally told him,
I said, you do realize At the time, I didn't
know if he was gonna start or not, but I
was like, man, if this doesn't work out with you,
it's not just you.
Speaker 4 (15:47):
You know.
Speaker 2 (15:47):
I just told him, Hey, everyone could lose their jobs
if you're not the guy, if you're not the right guy.
And he responded and said, quote, everybody knows how the
business goes. If it doesn't work out with me, then
people got to make this decisions. But none of us
are thinking like that. We're thinking about winning, because if
you think about failure, and that's what you're going to
lead to. We're thinking about success. We're thinking about work
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and thinking about waste. We can improve this team if
we're worried about getting fired or losing our jobs and
worried about the wrong thing. Personally, I love the pressure.
That's the only way to you get better. So now
I'm like, Okay, well you lost your job, a ton
of pressures on you, a ton of person on the
regime to basically say that Daniel Jones was the right choice.
And so I'm very curious because all of this makes
it exciting to me if and when he takes the
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field again, but also a bit frightening if you're the cult,
because you have to be right on one of the other.
You don't really get a do over if you miss
obviously on Anthony so far it looks like a miss,
and if you miss again on Daniel Jones, So very
curious to see how it all plays out, but also
thankful that ar kind of gave me some time before
things went down, and yeah, you said all the right
things then, and now it's very curious to see.
Speaker 3 (16:51):
How what does it all mean? So check that piece out.
Speaker 2 (16:53):
There's other stuff in there as well, about how he
talked about the tap out leadership, all these things he
had to learn, and like the Colts are trying to
reverse engineer it a bit, and I don't know if
that's just gonna work.
Speaker 1 (17:04):
I just think it's gonna be fascinating if and when.
And we don't wish injury on anybody, but it's the NFL.
And what was the stat you gave the other day
about how many quarterbacks?
Speaker 2 (17:12):
Yeah, sixty nine starting quarterbacks last year for thirty two teams.
Speaker 1 (17:15):
So if and when, let's say Daniel Jones is okay,
like he's been most of his careers. Okay, but he
goes down with an ankle injury for a week and
Anthony Richard comes in. Richardson comes in and he plays
lights out. Now what do you do if you're the
Indianapolis Colts. This is the guy you drafted to be
your franchise quarterback three years ago. And I know Daniel
Jones comes in and beats him out, But what if
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what if he is taking all this time and he
does continue And I'm just saying what if? But what
if he comes out and has a terrific game in
the absence in week five of an ankle injury for
Daniel Jones? Now what do the Colts do? They just
go right back to Daniel Jones.
Speaker 4 (17:52):
Yeah, It's funny you mentioned that because I think some
people brought up that's why the Colts weren't playing Anthony
richards in a Week three of the preseason. They didn't
want him to have a good game, and all of
a sudden the chatter start to rise again. Part of
me thinks, honestly, if they don't use Anthony richard in
short yardage, they are a bit afraid of Richardson walking
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onto the field and having some success in that chatter building.
I know that's a very but.
Speaker 3 (18:20):
You can't think like they can't. Well, you can like that.
Speaker 1 (18:25):
When you're sitting there talking to each other up in
that luxury suite and you're watching guys playing football. There's
nothing else to do but talk.
Speaker 4 (18:31):
About that thought that. I'm strictly just that is my
gut feel. I don't want to infer anything else off
of that, but that's just how I feel about the
situation of they. I mean, they're not idiots. They were
at Grand Park listening to the crowd's reaction with Anthony
Richardson was under center versus Daniel Jones is under center.
They know full well what the chatter is and if
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all of a sudden that guy comes out of the
field and starts to show you something and the other
guy maybe isn't showing you that they get how that looks.
And again, I know that's an optic thing, and you
want to sit here because let's be honest, what is
one of the best chances for the Colts to have
great success this season? You don't think Anthony Richardson would
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be an asset in short yardage? You don't think if
richard sent do we need to pop in the film
of him scoring the touchdown against the Jets or I agree,
I mean, like that's there. He is at his best.
So not utilizing that, to me, is a disservice to
your football team. So what would be the why in
not utilizing that? Are you grounding him? Are you punishing him?
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Because that quote that Shane Seng gave last week, that
sounded like a grounding quote. That sounded like you go
to your room and you don't even think about turn
on the TV, you go to the.
Speaker 1 (19:42):
Porta potty, don't even think about coming.
Speaker 4 (19:44):
Out seriously, So again that's probably a little bit more
of a you know, gut feel the cults are private.
Heavily pushed back against that, but it was just my thoughts.
Speaker 1 (19:53):
Graham from abe On texting at two three ninety ten
seventy says, I'm gonna be honest, I truly think Shane
made his decision on the quarterback one the moment Ar
took that shot in Baltimore, and that might have been
if if he was on the fence, that might have
been it. Right there, mister Simon getting hurt, same old,
same old, right.
Speaker 2 (20:12):
That certainly didn't help his case. I don't think he
made that decision solely off of that. But when you're
neck and neck in a position battle, which I perceived
it to be, then yeah, that's certainly a big mark
against you. Because we were just thinking, here we go again.
And by most accounts, and a lot of these people
were NFL quarterbacks, one of them being Kurt Warner. They're saying,
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this is basic stuff. You gotta know this stuff, and
to missing assignment like that, especially on that stage it's
your you know, preseason opener, first time we've seen you
play live football in months, and you go out like
that tough scene.
Speaker 1 (20:48):
Yes, Georgia.
Speaker 4 (20:50):
So, by the way, going back to Graham's point, Yeah,
I do think that Ravens play was the finally on
the coffin, I mean, the preseason as elementary as they
come for these teams, and they're running basic insaust stuff,
and when you screw that up, it's just one more hammer,
you know what, one more hammer.
Speaker 2 (21:04):
To add to that thought, Kevin, I think sometimes, I
think I've said this before on the air, ar can
come off a bit too nonchalant, like even after that game,
I got to be on my p's and q's. You know,
it is what it is, kind of like mentality.
Speaker 3 (21:24):
You probably need to own it more.
Speaker 2 (21:27):
And I'm not saying that he didn't do something to
own up to it or didn't you know, acknowledge fact
that he messed up, but I would think you probably
want to sound just a bit more urgent or serious
about it. And I think from his mind a lot
of had you with the injury. It's like, oh, I
want to downplay the injury stuff because I don't want
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this thing to kind of follow me around. But man,
his reaction to it, I thought, was just like, Wow,
that's what you think. It was, just like p's and q's.
What else do you think about perhaps of the biggest
plays of your preseason ending in that fashion?
Speaker 4 (22:03):
So I would agree. I think it's at times a
little bit too lackadaisical.
Speaker 2 (22:08):
You might want to even if it's just performative. I'm like, dude,
just get up there and say, you know, I have
to do this better. I gotta do this. This was unacceptable.
But it's kind of just like, ah, well.
Speaker 4 (22:18):
Well I've always felt that way about the TapouT. Going
to the podium. After the tap out, you need to
come up there and be like, yeah, I felt my
oblique again, and you know what, and I need like
and again, yes, find us, and yes it would be
a performive act. But you'll say I was tired because
right now there is a large I don't know about large,
but there's defuly a chunk of the fan base, people
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for that organization, people around the NFL that as soon
as they saw the tap out, they were done with them.
Speaker 2 (22:43):
Yeah, and just to I know, we got to get
to break real quick. When we asked Anthony about the
tap out, that was after Shane had already said he'd
been tired. So just to give you some context there,
when we were in the press confers room after that
game in Houston, Shane comes out first and he said, oh,
he just needed one, and then we ask ar and
then he confirmed that he was tired. So people say, oh,
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he should have just said he wasn't tired. Is that
a moment where your coach should have had your back?
Speaker 3 (23:10):
I don't know, Like you know what I mean. It's
a little more layer than that, but ultimately you just
can't do that as a player.
Speaker 4 (23:15):
One thing I want to get to after Stephen Holder
joins us, and that piece you mentioned, James from Zach
Keith for Crisp bound out a quote in there about
it's easier to find a quarterback when you have one.
I thought that was a really interesting quote from the
Colts GM. I want to get a little bit deeper
into that. After Stephen Holder joins us.
Speaker 1 (23:31):
Well, Stephen Holder is up next and we'll speak with him,
and you can listen in at two three, nine, ten
to seventy on the text line and just check it
all out for yourself, get your reactions. Then let us
know what you think you hear and what you believe
the Colts will be doing in Week one against the
Miami Dolphins. It comes up next at ninety three five
and one oh seven five of the.
Speaker 4 (23:47):
Fame Alright eight o'clock on a Wednesday. It is the
first I guess official NFL Wednesday of the air get
injury report coming up later today. Colts will practice again
that normal cadence Wednesday, three Thursday Friday. Shane Steichen will
meet the media coming up later today to talk more
about all of this. And I guess I should start
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with a heartfelt even though I don't mean it at all,
but hopefully he thinks I mean it. Steven Holder, congrats
to Miami Hurricanes.
Speaker 5 (24:16):
Well, I mean, I don't know how to take that,
but sort of half assed compliment, but I'll take it.
I'll take it because I like it. Listen that that
was a good start. I was nervous, so I'll take it.
Speaker 1 (24:27):
I'll tell you what.
Speaker 4 (24:28):
Carson Beck made a couple of plays that I'm thinking myself,
Oh boy, Miami might might have a little something of that.
If that D line continues to look like that and
Carson Beck looks like that, it could be a team
that's playing deep into the month of January.
Speaker 5 (24:40):
Yeah, I mean, we'll see.
Speaker 1 (24:42):
I do.
Speaker 5 (24:43):
I was hopeful about Beck and I think you know,
this guy less than two years ago was a projected
number one pick. I mean like this time last year.
I think he was like a projected number one pick
at one point, and you know, I don't know what
happened in the interim, but there's something in him right
today somewhere, So let's see if he can bring it out.
Speaker 2 (25:03):
So obviously the Colts hope pivoting a bit to the NFL, Stephen,
that they can bring the best out of Daniel Jones
now that he's kind of been in that role. Stephen,
what have you been able to perhaps glean from the
coaching staff for players about the type of player who
will be stepping into the most important position in the
sport in a huge position for this franchise in particular,
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that just hasn't been able to find that consistent answer
at quarterback.
Speaker 5 (25:27):
Yeah, I mean, it really has just been reinforced to me.
Everything that I've seen and heard has been reinforced to
me that this is it's certainly about Daniel Jones, but
it's less about him than other people, and it's about
it's about Michael Pittman and Josh Downs and Tyler Warren
and Alec Parris and Jonathan Taylor. I mean, this is
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a bet on those guys the way that Daniel Jones
plays a role here, as best as I can tell,
is that they think he will maximize those guys. I mean, certainly,
you know, Anthony Richardson, you know, can certainly get a
lot out of guys with his big playability. But just
to consistently get as much as you can out of
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those guys on each and every play, that's what the
Colts are hoping for here. So by by getting into
the right play and setting the right protections and all
those pre snap things are talking about, they think that
will enable those guys to be maximized. Whether it's a
checkdown or a quick out or whatever it is. It
probably won't be sexy, but that's where their heads are at,
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and we'll see if they're right.
Speaker 1 (26:33):
Steven Holder joining us here on the Payless Lookers hotline. Steven,
I'm just curious you mentioned some of those players just
a moment ago. What kind of early contribution do you
think is possible for Tyler Warren? Like, how involved will
he be in this offense right away?
Speaker 5 (26:47):
Well, it'll be interesting to see because I do think
that there are a lot of guys that deserve the
football here. So I don't think they're going to force
feed Tyler Warren, you know, and I don't know what
that means from a like fantasy perspective or what have you.
If people are interested in that, I think we got
to feel that out. But I do believe that he
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will be impactful because when he does get the ball,
he has the ability to make plays. And I think
the area that interests being most perhaps is after the catch,
because you know, we don't think of Tyler Warren as like,
you know, this Sam Laporter type of guy who is
maybe you know, just a real speed guy and this high,
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high level athlete. I mean, Tyler Warren is a great athlete,
but but he's he's different and that he's much more physical.
So I think really his run after the catch will
be Okay, I got the ball, Now you got to
tackle me, as opposed to I'm gonna run away from you.
So that's gonna make it hard, I think for if
he gets the right matchups, I mean, if you get
him on a on a nickel corner for example, I mean,
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that's gonna be a long day. Now, he'll probably get
some linebackers. But he's also a good enough athlete that
he can he can get away from those guys. So
I think after the catch is where I'm really intrigued
to watch Tyler Warren. But I do think, at least initially,
it may not be the force feeding kind of situation
that maybe you would think with a first round pick,
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particularly as a tight end on a team with a
lot of other weapons.
Speaker 4 (28:16):
Steven, would you be more surprised if the Colts finish
this year drafting in the top eight or the bottom eight?
I don't know why I have quartiles on my mind,
but you think better chance they finishes the top eight
drafting team or.
Speaker 5 (28:34):
R I p. I guess I would say I'd probably
be more surprised if it's the bottom eight. And that
is not to suggest that I believe in Daniel Jones.
I'm gonna be honest, I kind of don't, but but
I think I think it's possible he can be the
game manager they want. That that is certainly possible. Right. Uh,
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He's not gonna win them games in my opinion, but
I think this team has enough depth and enough talent
throughout it that if they're in the bottom eight, if
they're picking in the bottom eight, then something went seriously wrong.
And I think Shane Steiken, you know, I think the
jury is still out on him as a head coach,
but he has gotten a fair amount out of the
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team in the first two years without any consistency at quarterbacks,
which is the biggest factor. He hasn't had that, and
they're still a five hundred team over his first two years.
So he's doing something right, even though I still think
he's got more to prove. So I think given all
of that, I'd be surprised if they're in that company.
But the preseason predictions for this team nationally, for whatever
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that's worth, not much, but for whatever that's worth, including
at the place I work ESPN, they're not very complimentary.
Speaker 1 (29:51):
I would say that, do.
Speaker 4 (29:53):
You think, And I guess it's hard to I guess
I apologize a little bit for asking the question, and
it's hard to know. We don't know a lot about
Carli or say go and necessarily where she's drawing the
line in terms of evaluations. Do you think a playoff
birth is enough for this regime to run it back
for another year?
Speaker 5 (30:11):
I think it's I think possibly it depends on what
it looks like. I mean, that's that's always the answer there, right,
But I think that it depends, you know. I think
you can back into the playoffs, and you can also
make the playoffs in good standing and looking like you're
a competent team. It can look very different depending on
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the circumstances. So I would like to see what it
looks like. And I think I think she's pragmatic enough
that those things matter for her too, like the what's
the future look like? The trajectory. All that matters because
Carly is a She's a thinker from all indications, you know,
she's someone who who definitely looks at the bigger picture.
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And I think is less emotional than her father. It's
not a that's not a compliment or a or a
disparaging remark. It's just a fact, right, Jim Mersey, he
moved and decided things when it times with his gut. Curly,
I'm sure has some of that in her sisters, but
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but I think they are much more pragmatic and we'll
look at the bigger picture and much more black and white.
Speaker 2 (31:21):
I'm just, you know, amazed at him using pragmatic twice.
We have ESPN Stephen Holder on the line with us,
and I'm thinking, I got to google this word.
Speaker 3 (31:29):
I know what it means.
Speaker 2 (31:29):
But if you put me in a spell the contest
right now, I could not spell that correctly.
Speaker 5 (31:33):
I don't think, hey, listen, they'll just hire anybody at
the Worldwide Leader buddy.
Speaker 4 (31:41):
Hire Mike Wells.
Speaker 1 (31:42):
To be fair, I had.
Speaker 5 (31:45):
Big shoes to fill.
Speaker 2 (31:47):
Well, I'm glad that Allie showing up to practice. Speaking
of practice, first one today official for the season and
we'll hear from Shane's psyching letter today. But when it
comes to preparing for Miami, what type of challenges do
you think they present, particularly when it comes to the
secondary Stephen, Because as much as personally I want to
believe in that group, I do have questions because there's
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been so much change and turnover, and we know that
Lou a Roumo is known for putting a lot on
the secondary. And do you think that this week could
be a big test for them considering that when they
had their quarterback this year in Tua and just the
speed on the outside.
Speaker 5 (32:26):
Yeah, I mean I think look at when when that
group has been you know in stride. I'm talking about
you know Tua and his playmakers. They are a lot
to handle and I think that is that's where this
game is going to be won and lost in my opinion.
You know, I think the Colts are going to do
what they do offensively and it'll be sort of humdrum.
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But you know, I think if they get into a
shootout with this team, I don't like their chances that
that can't happen. This defense has to hold up and
and the way I think that will play out and
be determined will be prevented the big plays. If they
start giving up big plays, I think it's gonna be
a long day or potentially, so they've got to I
think it's gonna be a great test for this secondary
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right off the bat. We're going to learn a lot
about them right away, and I.
Speaker 4 (33:13):
Want to see.
Speaker 5 (33:14):
I want to see if they can pull this off
because I mean a Rumo lots being put on his
shoulders here, right. Can he be the guy the day?
Hope he is. So I think a lot of people
early on the secondary and Luanna Rumo are going to
be tested and maybe something will be revealed about them.
Speaker 2 (33:34):
Steven, the Colts have not won a season, opener, I
believe since twenty thirteen?
Speaker 3 (33:38):
Were you on the beat? And if not, where were
you in twenty thirteen?
Speaker 5 (33:45):
Okay, so I went through this yesterday with Querry. It's hilarious.
That was my first regular season colts game. I just
I had just gotten too Indianapolis and I moved here.
I believe my daughter was like four and she was
I think in like pre as James knows because he's
been to our football games at Lawrence North where she's
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a cheerleader. She's sixteen now and she's a junior in
high school and they still haven't won another one. It's incredible.
It is really one of the more incredible stats in sports.
And every time I bring this up to someone, like
on a national radio program or even within my own
colleagues at ESPN, people look at me like I have
three heads because they don't believe it's possible. There's two
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stats with the cults that that people are bewildered by.
It's that one and then also the fact that which
is you know, maybe there's something there that one, and
maybe the fact that they haven't won the AFC South
since twenty fourteen. People it takes them a while to
digest those two stats.
Speaker 2 (34:47):
Yeah, honestly, what's the other one? They haven't won in
Jacksonville since twenty fourteen, So there's a few streaks there exactly.
Speaker 5 (34:53):
I mean basically the last twelve years of this franchise.
I mean, what were they even doing?
Speaker 4 (34:58):
I guess even close it out, you want to take
a stab at who was the leading receiver in that
win over the Raiders? How about leading receiver, leading tackler
Terrell Pryor was the opposing quarterback of that game? I
think that that trivia question we've probably played out enough there.
The Colts leading receiver in that game was who.
Speaker 5 (35:18):
That's the twenty thirteen opener? Oh my goodness, there's no
way it was Darius Hayward Bay. Was it?
Speaker 4 (35:25):
Darius Hayward Bay was second three catches for thirty three yards,
the leading receiver going into his fourth year as wide
receivers coach for the Colts. It was Reggie Wayne eight catches.
That's actually crazy for the leading tackler, fifteen tackles for
this guy in the season opening win. And IM sure
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if Jarrell Freeman was it. Darrell Freeman was third and
tackles in that game. I'm sure this man had quite
a lot to say in front of his locker with
a little action figure incredible Hulk afterwards, Lon Landryron Landry
with fifteen tackles.
Speaker 3 (36:06):
What a name as the goodness?
Speaker 5 (36:08):
What time to be Alive?
Speaker 1 (36:12):
See what you learn today, Stevid, what it's.
Speaker 5 (36:14):
Time to be alive? I mean, I'm telling you that
was quite an era.
Speaker 1 (36:17):
It was.
Speaker 5 (36:18):
It was something wow. Yeah, I mean the Lauren Landry era.
It lasted like six months and it was good for
six months. That's about it.
Speaker 1 (36:28):
It's always good to talk to you, Steve, and I
know we have made it through the long dark season
and we've got NFL football at Lucas Oil Stadium on Sunday.
Can't wait to see you there and enjoy the rest
of your week and we'll we'll all get there, countdown
to kick off together.
Speaker 5 (36:43):
All right, I'll see you guys soon.
Speaker 1 (36:46):
Good morning, we get to Tony. So the second the
Fantasy football draft of the Fan Morning Show is underway
as the number one selection been made. Because I'm not
logged in yet, I've got.
Speaker 3 (36:54):
To get in there, buddy, I got a right now.
Speaker 1 (36:56):
If you are literally on the clock, well then they're
probably gonna get out of draft to this first one,
which is fine in the first two picks.
Speaker 4 (37:02):
So here we come.
Speaker 1 (37:04):
We're talking about this draft for two weeks.
Speaker 4 (37:06):
The first dude took a full minute on the clock,
and now Jeff's not even logged into auto draft.
Speaker 1 (37:12):
Apparently my password is not what I thought it was.
Oh it's number two. You can't screw up with an
auto draft.
Speaker 4 (37:21):
That the se draft Matt Gay, Yeah right, Mark, this
is going to take us three hours. The first two
dudes have literally Jeff and this other guy have literally
taken every second.
Speaker 1 (37:30):
There we go. I'm changing it as we speak.
Speaker 3 (37:34):
Oh gosh.
Speaker 1 (37:35):
In the meantime, why don't you bring in Tony East
and we can talk about some real things.
Speaker 4 (37:40):
Because I don't draft till the end. Tony East locked
on Pacers and has your coverage Fever and Pacers has
an excellent job with that. Tony, we haven't talked in
a while. How's life, man, It's great.
Speaker 6 (37:53):
I woke up and I've been all in on this
Kawhi Leonard Pablo Torre thing this morning, which is yeah,
I saw you.
Speaker 4 (38:00):
This is why I saw this come across the wire.
But I haven't been able to read too much on it.
Could you kind of fill us in on it? Thanks
for you know, sharing this news, so I need.
Speaker 6 (38:11):
To actually listen to the podcast. But just from reading
tweets and watching people react to what the CBA rules are.
Apparently a company was created and then Steve Balmer invested
a bunch of money in it, and then that company
signed Kawhi Leonard to a contract that pays him twenty
eight million dollars if he's playing for the Clippers. That's
on top of his NBA contract. Very obviously, salary caps
(38:33):
are convention completely crazy.
Speaker 4 (38:36):
That sounds highly illegal. But it sounds like something that
was done like in.
Speaker 6 (38:39):
Those It sounds like college nil.
Speaker 4 (38:42):
It sounds like yeah, like how like people played for
like the SEC schools like ten years ago.
Speaker 6 (38:48):
It's crazy. Uh, and it's going to be a thing
for the NBA because you can't do that.
Speaker 4 (38:54):
So gosh, that's wild.
Speaker 2 (38:56):
Well you know boardman gets paid, so so it's a
kowhile Leonard, baby, get everything that's coming to you.
Speaker 6 (39:02):
Of all the players getting paid under the table. The
guy who had all these questions about like is he
actually heard or not, it is the funniest one.
Speaker 4 (39:08):
Objectively, Yes, yes, I agree.
Speaker 2 (39:10):
This is just the tip of the iceberg, as they say,
Tony oh yes, pivoting a bit to the fever we
saw last night weren't quite able to stage that fourth
quarter comeback against the Phoenix Mercury. So now with three
games left in the season, Tony, how dicey is it
for them? I know you've been doing on your Twitter.
I've enjoyed saying like, Okay, it could be from this
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range to this range. They can't fall below this, they
can't get above this as far as the standings go.
But how big is Friday Night and just the overall
field and state of this team.
Speaker 6 (39:41):
Yeah, they've had a great couple of days with the
Sparks beating the Storm, and the Valkyries look really great recently,
but their odds are still probably pretty high just because
of two things. One is that Golden State and Seattle
still play each other once. It's actually the Storm's last
game of the season, I believe, so one of those
teams has to lose that game, right, and that by
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default helps the Fever in their quest to catch or
stay ahead of somebody else. And then the other thing
that helps them is the Sparks have five games left,
which is still a lot, but they all but one
of them are really hard teams. They still play the
Aces the Mercury, and they start a two games set
in Atlanta against a Dream today tonight, I believe, and
so because their schedule is hard and they have to
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straight up leap frog the Fever, but they have two
wins fewer than the odds for the Fever are still
pretty high, mostly because of that Sparks part. But they
did not have a good weekend in terms of their
odds with those losses, with LA coming out of some tight,
close games, and the Fever really need to I mean,
they're going to be favored in their next two games,
like they really need to get both of them, particularly
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one of them, because you know, it is at least
plausible for them to miss it in a way that
I wasn't sure was the case after they beat the Sparks.
But I still think their odds are pretty high given
all the factors outside of their own.
Speaker 1 (40:58):
Team, Tony, how well could team do without Caitlyn Clark
in the postseason?
Speaker 6 (41:04):
Yeah, you know, I've thought about that a lot recently,
because they have some great wins even without her this season.
They they won the Commission's Cup title game without her.
I guess if the Link's the best team in the
league and they have some other like high quality wins
against good teams, and it's so easy for me to say, well,
I still have Kelsey Mitchell, they still have Lea Boston.
Like that's two All Star level talents that are are good,
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and they have other good players. It's just that was
earlier in the season when they were way less banged
up and had players that they intended to have on
their team this year is still healthy and playing, and
since then they lost Darry McDonald and Sidy Colson and
Zovie Cunningham and they've been playing players who are on
the team for one, two, three weeks. So I still
think their like highest level without Caitlin is moderately high,
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like in the you know, fourth through sixth best team range.
But can they string that together with any sort of consistency. No,
you have not seen them do that. I mean, they
have some some rough losses recently too, against teams that
you think they should beat or be able to stay
ahead of, including the Wings and the Mystics at home,
so it's hard to like.
Speaker 7 (42:06):
Actually, if they've showed any sort of consistency for multiple games,
I would say that it's possible for them to reach
a level that without Clark could get them through a round,
but you know, they need to find they have three
games up to find some of those answers, because on
paper they should be at least decent, but they've shown
really high flashes without her and just.
Speaker 6 (42:25):
Some totally low like they did on Sunday in Golden
State Valley, So they just look like they can't score Tony.
Speaker 4 (42:31):
Tomorrow strikes me as a huge day for Kaitlin Clark,
Like obviously they traveled back late, either late last night today,
I don't know exactly what their travel schedule is tomorrow.
Back on the practice floor before game on Friday. I
would think any chance for her to play maybe again
this season. She's got to practice tomorrow, right, I mean,
where are you kind of at with her availability the
rest of the year.
Speaker 6 (42:52):
Yeah, they practice Saturday too in Indy like they had.
Stephanie White actually tries to find times for practices throughout
the season in a way that a lot of coaches
I've covered in the NBA, and you kind of don't.
You know, maybe they're not as hard, but I think
that gives more chances for it to happen. But I agree,
it's getting late, and like you know this, this felt
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like an advantage to me when it happened, but now
given the Kalin Clark situation, maybe not. You know, their
last game is next Tuesday, but the w only has
thirteen teams. Excuse me, it has thirteen teams this season
and that's an odd number. So the not every team
plays the same last day, which is very atypical in sports.
So some team's final game is next Thursday, some is
next Wednesday, the fevers next Tuesday, so they don't have
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as much time. Also like to throw in other practices
to get her going, And on one hand, that's a
negative if you want her to return for the regular season.
On the other hand, look, this is unusual but not
unheard of in sports, Like they will have more time
between their last game and the start of the postseason
if they make it to get her on the practice floor.
So I would say this, I agree with you that
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if she's gonna play in the regular season tomorrow, specifically
in this week, is extremely significant. But if she's going
to return for the postseason and do the we've seen
this for four kind of thing, but it's rare, like
Kyle Swarber and the World Series level stuff, like it's
plausible that that big gap could be meaningful. It's something
that I thought about recently, but I know they keep
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saying it's the hope she returns. I don't know why
they would be consistently putting her up into more situations
that we can see. Five on zero, the most recent one,
if they weren't hoping at least that she plays. But
that is of course just speculation and reading into what
they've chosen to do so far.
Speaker 2 (44:33):
Last one on Caitlin Tony going back to when the
injury first happened to where we are now, do you
understand why they've strung it along like this? I mean
they basically said she's week to week or day to
day ever since it happened.
Speaker 3 (44:48):
And has that made sense to you?
Speaker 2 (44:50):
Because from the outside look at it and it's like, well,
why come you just didn't say she was gonna miss
I don't know, a month at least. I guess that's
the question that is frustrating for some of the fan base.
Speaker 6 (44:59):
Oh, it's frustrated everybody. It should be right out and
definitely sucks because you know, it sounds like there's no timeline,
but like everybody has a timeline, right, Like everybody's trying
to return or hit a benchmark at some date, and
so it's really challenging when that's kind of how it is.
I kind of, you know, interpreted that as like a, well,
we don't know for sure, but we'll see. We think
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it's about this time. But you know, it's tough when
that is the reality that's provided. And so it does
kind of feel like we're all just along for the
ride and seeing what it happens, because that's still the line,
right and so until she does contact, I don't know
if we'll know any more specifics about an actual return
timeline or specific game. And that's been how it's been
since mid July, which is, you know, not not unheard of,
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but a little strange.
Speaker 1 (45:48):
Thanks for stopping by. As always, it's always basketball sin.
Speaker 4 (45:52):
Go ahead at him, Tony East. We're here trying to
multitask the fantasy football draft, so apolitic.
Speaker 5 (45:59):
Uh, figure out our passwords?
Speaker 1 (46:01):
Say it again, passwords?
Speaker 6 (46:04):
Are we in? Are we going?
Speaker 4 (46:05):
I think Jeff is in. I think he's in.
Speaker 1 (46:07):
I believe, So yeah, I got him just in the
nick time.
Speaker 4 (46:09):
So we're good. Benec Matheren contract Excension. Listen to your
podcast and the Way in this morning, Locked on Pacers.
It was an excellent listen. I get the vibe that, like,
neither party probably wants to do an extension, and like
I shouldn't say, I get the vibe like I've been
talking to like both parties. I can see reasons why
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both sides of it would be hesitant. Is that kind
of where you are? And I don't feel like that's
exactly where a lot of these extension debates get to.
Speaker 6 (46:39):
Yes, I totally agree, And it's not even that both
sides would be hesitant because they're not certain they'll be
together forever. Like maybe they do want to be together forever,
and they want to be you know, he wants to
be the starter for the Pacers the pace one had
them to grow with them. Like that's totally reasonable, but
like it's very rare that a player gets the kind
of opportunity in their fourth season's about to have where
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they're about to have a way bigger role to prove
themselves in a way that they haven't really had in
their career. I guess you could count the start of
Matherens second season, but then Buddy Heal took his starting
spot in like four weeks or something, so he has
a chance to do all the stuff that he's done
at his best and that he says he can do,
which is, you know, guard some of the best players.
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Like there's no way they're going to put them hard
on the best guy every night and have him be
you know, a heavy load lead ball handler, and Matheren's
gonna have the ballmore. His usage rate was like five
percent higher without Halburn last year. That's a rare opportunity
to look awesome and like do all the stuff you
said you could do and really prove what you can
do to your team and potentially other teams because if
he'll be a free agent next year. So if you're
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bet Matheren, you know, if you're getting extension offers from
the Pacers based on what you've done so far and
on what the Pacers think he'll do, you know in
the future, given the role that he's had with a team,
that's probably not it's not the PACER's fault for paying
him like that, Like that's the information they have. But
if you're him, you're thinking, man, get way more, right,
And if you're the Pacers, you're like, well, that's fine, right,
if you played great, we'll pay you like that if not,
(48:05):
you know, we we've seen this, we know what you are,
We've you know where Carlisle talked on this show about
the difference between the rat game Ben Mather and what
you know, pacers Ben Mather could be and I think
one of the funniest things ever, by the way, with
him saying no disrespect to rats when you asked.
Speaker 4 (48:19):
Him about that.
Speaker 6 (48:19):
I still laugh about that. But anyway, you know, those
kind of differences are why he has this huge opportunity
in front of him and why it's like, even if
they both really wanted to stay locked in his team
player partnership going forward, it makes sense to wait and
get as much information as possible. So it's not a
bad thing. I think. It's just kind of how it is.
Speaker 4 (48:38):
Literally one of my favorite audio clips of all time
right there.
Speaker 6 (48:47):
I could not believe that was the first three you
said he had that ready to go.
Speaker 4 (48:50):
He said in such a serious manner, like all of
a sudden, these rats were waiting outside to have a
word with him when he finished this morning coffee. All right,
last one, you know nothing about the NFL outside of
the Minnesota Vikings. Oh boy, more wins for your Minnesota Vikings.
More wins for the Indiana Hoosiers in football.
Speaker 6 (49:08):
Oh boy, oh JJ McCarthy. I probably would take the
Hoosis although that old Dominion game really spooked me. Man.
I know they played away better than them, but I
walked away like yikes, yike.
Speaker 3 (49:20):
Just just wait a couple of weeks, brother, Illinois, I.
Speaker 6 (49:24):
Know I haven't had I suppose I suppose I've only
had like real excited expectations for RIU football twice in
my life, and last time was twenty twenty one and
they were totally miserable.
Speaker 5 (49:39):
So uh, after.
Speaker 6 (49:40):
The old Dominion game, I'm extremely nervous and sad again.
So hopefully they can have stick with me.
Speaker 2 (49:46):
I got nothing but bad news for it will not
be great.
Speaker 3 (49:49):
Yes, you will get two weeks from now, you know.
I'll let you know because I still got to get
my get back from from our trash talk. The last
time I Illinois played, I could not live that down.
Speaker 6 (49:59):
I was just in campaign. People are buzzing.
Speaker 1 (50:01):
Man, there you go. Where's the best place to go
find uh lockdown pacers?
Speaker 6 (50:05):
Yeah, anywhere you get podcasters on YouTube is the way
to go.
Speaker 1 (50:08):
Hi, buddy, always good to talk to you. Thanks for
putting up with us Yes, Thanks having guys
You're listening to the best of the Fan morning show
on ninety three five and one oh seven five the
Fan James Boy with the seven o'clock James boyd move.
I like it.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
I guess you say what can make me feel that way?
Speaker 1 (00:23):
I was going to join you right there a little harmony.
Speaker 3 (00:25):
Oh sorry, dropped out. Okay, you know, shout out to
the Temptations.
Speaker 4 (00:29):
Hey copyright feez you guys keep going. No, they won't
claim that James had some great notes there at seven
thirty three in the morning.
Speaker 3 (00:36):
We're more likely, but hey, that has some good music.
Speaker 1 (00:38):
James and I keep singing to people are gonna likely
hit us with a cease and desist more than anything.
Speaker 4 (00:42):
And I almost had an exit stage right there.
Speaker 1 (00:44):
Uh, but no, we are. We're all optimistic because everybody
is zero and zero in the NFL. Of course, Indian
and Purdue have both won a game. We'll leave it
at that right now, KB, But we got the Colts
getting ready for Week one against the Miami Dolphins. Obviously
a lot of things different from the last time the
two teams played. But we've been talking about this kind
(01:04):
of ad nauseum. But I'll bring it up again for
those just showing us this morning, those first three games.
I can't underscore the importance of this schedule for those colts. Again,
with Miami and Denver out of the game, the two
teams that you were battling nailed to nail with for
the final playoff spot in the AFC last year. You
get them right out of the gate, and you got
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to make something happen. And then you go into You're
only playing Tennessee twice in the first I think eight weeks,
and then you play everybody else in the division in
the last six or seven. They got to get out
to this decent start here. It's going to be a
long season.
Speaker 4 (01:38):
Yeah, I mean, I remember the night the schedule came
out back in May. I came in here the next morning.
I felt a little foolish to distress it, but I
was like, you know, weeks one and two, Miami and Denver.
It might be foolish to say the word like playoff
implications on September third, but on December third or January third,
it could very well look like that. And so yes,
(01:59):
I would agree. I think outside of Houston, the two matchups,
which are both late in the year, I think these
are the two biggest games on the schedule, and largely
the Cult schedule in twenty twenty five is backloaded, which
I get that you have a new starting quarterback and
you have a new defense, but you've got to get
these games early because I think the schedule carries much
more challenging whether it's road trips, whether it's just games
(02:22):
in general. Late in the year. You know, it's at
Kansas City, it's at Seattle. You know, both those Houston
games are late in the year. We'll see what San
Francisco is come late December. But right now, you look
at the schedule, guys, I mean, the Cults are probably
gonna be favored and what for their first six which
is kind of wild to say, but if you look
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at that schedule, there are some very very on paper
manageable opportunities for you early in the season.
Speaker 1 (02:51):
James Boyd we Kevin brought this up just a minute ago.
One of the things you do going into the first
week and over the last couple of a week, week,
ten days something like that, final roster cuts, and then
they turn into waiver wire pickups and other guys get released.
And now we come to a head where we actually
have a real too deep what's it look like right now?
(03:12):
And any surprises for you as the Colts have their
roster and positional ranking set at this point in time.
Speaker 3 (03:20):
No surprises.
Speaker 2 (03:22):
I guess my biggest question mark outside of quarterback obviously
would be the other starting cornerback spot. I believe Xavin
Howard is listed as a starter on the unofficial depth
chart as of right now, and that is quite the
task for a guy who has not played football since
twenty twenty three, And for me, I would like to
(03:46):
think that he can play, but I got to see it.
I am probably a pessimist of the highest order. When
you're out of the league for a year, somebody didn't
sign you, and I know he mentioned that some of
they had to do with perhaps the lawsuit he had
against him. However, it's still a long time to be
out of the league, and we know the NFL. Let's
(04:06):
not pretend like they're going to be, you know, hiring
only people that are of the highest you know, moral
standing or whatever legal standing.
Speaker 3 (04:15):
Things like that.
Speaker 2 (04:16):
If you can play, you play. So I am curious
to see what he looks like in his first game.
And you know what, twenty something months.
Speaker 4 (04:23):
We James, I would add too, not only did he
not play last year, but now he's trying to play
as a thirty two year old cornerback, which those just
don't grow on trees and so and he's facing his
former team. And you know, not that we watched a
lot of practice because he didn't get here until after
training camp was over, but you know when we were
out there, Alec Pierce did just cook him on one,
just simple go route, and I would think Mike McDaniel
(04:46):
was not born yesterday, I think he will dial up
one or two to try and isolate Tyreek Hill and
or Jalen waddle on Xavion Howard. So yeah, that stands
out to me as a big Week one story line.
You know, how do your corners hold up against? You know,
as lou Anroumo described the Miami offense yesterday, he could
carry the baton and close out a four by one
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hundred race and he'd be pretty set with Devin a Chain,
Tyreek Hill and Jalen Waddell. So, I mean, they can
track meet you. The question is can you limit that
as best you can? They did a great job of
it last year, but again Toole was not operating under center,
and this is the guy that led the NFL and
competion percentage last year, and it's just a much different quarterback.
So you know, that's really I think are a lot
(05:29):
of areas the Colts have advantages in this matchup, but
that is one that I have some concern. Can your
corners new corners hold up against a passing attack that
has guys that you better not get lulled asleep on
because if you do, you know, six can turn into
sixty pretty quick.
Speaker 1 (05:47):
Yeah, and we've seen many a game where Jalen Wattle
is the guy that ends up having eight catches for
one hundred and seventeen yards and two touchdowns because people
sometimes get overly concerned about Tyreek Hill and then another
bead merchant you talked about just a moment ago, you
better not let James Boyd Devon Eitchen get the corner
or you're gonna be waving goodbye.
Speaker 3 (06:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
I mean a lot of it will have to do
with containment and making sure that you, like Kevin say,
you don't let those you know, little plays are into
huge plays, but that's kind of what the Dolphins have
been known for. And the math will be a little
a little bit different. We have two out there versus
some of the quarterbacks we saw last year or so.
I'm just excited to see something that matters, something that counts,
(06:31):
and so we can get away from you know, what
could be, what might be, look at what is, and
then regroup from there depending on how things go. But yeah,
I'm also shout out to Alex Lover in our YouTube chat,
he was telling me he was not confusing the temptations
with me. I just like David Ruffane, you all anybody
coming to see you otis.
Speaker 4 (06:52):
So I thought you met the moment quite well.
Speaker 2 (06:54):
You know, it's always a hater out there, but you know,
I mean I'm doing something right. But again to the Colts,
in all seriousness, I do think they have everything sort
of set up for them to win this Week one matchup.
You know, the Dolphins are banged up. You know they're
not I believe at the peak of the powers like
they were a couple of years ago when they won
eleven games, I believe and kind of set all these
(07:16):
records for points. I think they put up seventy on
somebody a couple of years ago. And then now when
you look at what the Colts are doing. You do have,
I believe, a better defense. It might be revamped, it
might be different, but I mean it's hard to get
worse than what you had. And then offensively, the belief
again is that if you get steady quarterback play, you
(07:37):
should be able to, you know, sustain enough offense to
put up some points.
Speaker 1 (07:42):
Is Miami a team defensively that the Colts can play
ball control against? Can they just run the ball? I
don't know, thirty five times, keep the ball away from
Miami's offense and.
Speaker 3 (07:51):
Just wear them down?
Speaker 1 (07:53):
Is that Is that something that the Colts could do here?
Speaker 4 (07:55):
Yeah, Miami's round even I think a little better than
what people would think. And they remember they did Kenneth Grant,
the Merrillville product, just be Kenneth Grant. Yeah, just before
the Colts took Tyler Warren and James you know this
full well. Wouldn't that have been quite the debate for
Chris Ballard. If Kenneth Grant was on the board with
Tyler Warren their pick.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
He probably you know, loved him because he loves all
the big guys.
Speaker 4 (08:21):
And I don't know if the Colts fans would have
gotten answer they would have hoped for in all honesty
had those two been on the board. So that's a
big body there. You know, they actually have a lot
of names on the edge. You know, Bradley Chubb, you know,
Jalen Phillips missed last year's matchup, a former first round pick.
They signed Matthew Judon just a couple of weeks ago,
so again they have some of these names. It's like,
all right, what's left in the tank for some of
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these guys. Remember they're very banged up corner wise. But
they did trade, you know, they traded Jalen Ramsey for
Mika Fitzpatrick back in the spring, and we've seen Minka,
of course, you know, have some huge moments in his
career against the Colts. So definitely an ability I think to, yeah,
try and play the ball control and you know that's
how you know the cults are going to largely be
(09:04):
built on managing it, on you know, living in more
of a methodical nature. I think this Colts offense is
going to have to be more of the ten play
eighty R drives than the other aspect to it of
you know, hey, we're gonna sprinkle in some big plays here.
It's gonna have to be more of a methodical moving
offense with Daniel Jones operating things, and certainly Jonathan Taylor
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will be a big, big part of it.
Speaker 3 (09:27):
Was Week one last year.
Speaker 2 (09:29):
Was that the game that Anthony had the three completions
of at least fifty yards. I remember that correctly, Kevin,
because yeah, yeah, the moon shot to Alec Pierce.
Speaker 4 (09:37):
Yeah, Doolan had a big one, right, Yeah, that was one.
Speaker 3 (09:39):
Of the best roles, probably the best ro I've ever
seen in my life. In person.
Speaker 1 (09:42):
We were all in on Anthony Richards at the end
of that game, weren't we for the most part.
Speaker 2 (09:45):
I mean, yeah, or at least the experience, because the
completion percent is wasn't there, but you had the huge,
you know.
Speaker 3 (09:53):
Field flipping plays.
Speaker 2 (09:55):
Whereas what Kevin points out I think is more realistic
for this offense, really for any offense, is you want
to be able to sustain. I think that's what the
culture trading. They're like, Okay, maybe we don't get those
highlight reel plays, but at the end of the day,
we actually get something to come away from it, because
it's hard. It's hard to sustain that level of explosiveness,
especially when you're not consistent with the other little things,
(10:17):
and so I'm curious see how that goes. But also,
you know, beyond the quarterback play, I think a lot
of it will come down to if you do want
to control the game and you know, run the ball.
Speaker 3 (10:26):
Jt is obviously a big part of that.
Speaker 2 (10:27):
Jonathan Taylor, he's one of the best backs in the
league still, but what it looks like behind him. Will
get more clarity on Tyler Goodson and his elbow later
today with the injury report and also just seeing practice
ourselves and taking attendance. But also what does that mean
for DJ Giddens, the rookie. How much burn is he
gonna get? Well, I'm using slang, I'm sorry. Burn in
my world means time, playing time when it comes to
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week one.
Speaker 4 (10:50):
Yeah, and I also have just kind of found myself
going here as week one gets closer and that Daniel
Jones era gets closer. What an opportunity for Daniel Joneses.
I mean, when you think about it, his career was
dead in New York, he asked to be traded. He
goes to Minnesota and he's the third stringer there, nothing
happens at all, and all of a sudden he finds
(11:13):
an opportunity where there's a legit quarterback battle. He now
is a starter again in the NFL. And the last
time we saw him he was got awful. Yeah, and
now he has one of the thirty two jobs. He's
in the easiest division in the AFC. He's with an
offense that has a bona fie top five running back.
He has a tight end that was just drafted, you know,
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coming off of arguably the greatest college football season we've
seen for a tight end in thirty some years. He's
got an O line that largely is intact a pass
catching corps at wide out that you would think is
the best it's been in a while. I mean, what
an unbelievable opportunity for Daniel Jones to save his career.
And I'm very fascinated to watch how he reacts to
(11:56):
all of this. This is not New York of the
six overall pick pressure expectations are beyond low for him.
And if he just seemingly goes out there and has
a decent one year, he can turn it into what
you know, Sam Darnold and some of these others have
done there. So you know how Daniel Jones reacts to
all of this, because I do think the leash is
(12:17):
longer than it was for Joe Flacco last year. I'm
gonna be super curious to watch.
Speaker 1 (12:21):
It just makes me think, can you imagine any other
industry where you could be objectively bad at what you're
doing for two years, have one, not two employers give
up on you, and then recover with a fourteen million
dollars a year contract to get a chance to start
all over again. That's golden right there. You talk about opportunity, Kevin,
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that's golden right there. And if you perform, if you
perform fairly well this year, you're gonna make twice that at.
Speaker 3 (12:48):
Some point in the future for their life.
Speaker 2 (12:51):
Which two gave up on him? I know, obviously Giant Vikings.
Oh well, well he wasn't going.
Speaker 1 (12:57):
Anywhere with the Vikings. JJ McCarthy.
Speaker 3 (12:59):
Well they wanted him back, that's what. Yeah, they wanted
him back.
Speaker 1 (13:03):
But at nobody wanted him as a starter.
Speaker 3 (13:05):
Yeah, yeah, I was just making sure.
Speaker 2 (13:06):
I was confused for a second, but yeah, they wanted
him back, and he turned him down because he came
to Indianapolis thinking that he could take a job and
want a job, and he did.
Speaker 3 (13:14):
Speaking of that. I actually have a story just came
out at the top of this hour on Anthony Richardson.
I spoke to one on one.
Speaker 2 (13:21):
This was at training camp five days actually before they
officially named Jones the starter. There's some stuff in there
from AR and one of the quotes that sticks with
me that I use in the story. And again this
is all before he was demoted again. And we were
standing on the practice field just kind of set the sting,
(13:42):
and Daniel Jones runs by to go do his media
and I have AR one on one and I tell him,
I'm like, man, I know you're a good teammate, and
I know you're not going to like sabotage this guy,
but he did come here to take what's yours in
a sense, to take your job. And I asked him,
how do you feel about that? And Anthony's response was,
this is a quote that he gave me. Man, you
(14:04):
can't let nobody come in your house and eat your
food without permission. That's the way I think about it.
They brought him in to come do a job and
take a job. Ultimately, it's like, yeah, I can't let
anybody come in here and take over what I've got
going on. But then again, I can't think about that.
I just got to get better and improve in every aspect,
so them naming me QB one will be easy. And
then again you talk about nobody taking what's yours and
(14:26):
coming into your house, and five days later Daniel Jones
kicking the sea up on the couch saying I'm home.
So I'm very curious to see, and the story is
kind of laid it out, like what does Anthony do
from here? When you're being told that they still believe
in you, but your opportunities to kind of showcase who
you are are very, very limited. And I do believe
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the next time he takes the field, which is likely
because most teams last year did not play just one
quarterback all year, and most of that had to do
with injuries, even if it's just for a game or two,
the next time anthy Rison starts in Indianapolis, even if
he isn't the guy in Indianapolis, that will be such
a huge moment in his career. And I know the
Colts will try to tell us that, oh, it doesn't
(15:08):
mean you know everything or it's not a make or
break season. But kind of going back to what Zach
Keifer wrote in The Athletic recently, with some of these
quarterback plans, this is the type of stuff that will
break you or can break you if you're a young quarterback.
So I'm very, very curious to see how Anthony bounces back.
And then the last quote I'll give you, which I
think was the most like ominous in a way, because
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it's always better you get a player one on one,
especially have a relationship with him. You can kind of
just shoot to him straight. So I literally told him,
I said, you do realize At the time, I didn't
know if he was gonna start or not, but I
was like, man, if this doesn't work out with you,
it's not just you.
Speaker 4 (15:47):
You know.
Speaker 2 (15:47):
I just told him, Hey, everyone could lose their jobs
if you're not the guy, if you're not the right guy.
And he responded and said, quote, everybody knows how the
business goes. If it doesn't work out with me, then
people got to make this decisions. But none of us
are thinking like that. We're thinking about winning, because if
you think about failure, and that's what you're going to
lead to. We're thinking about success. We're thinking about work
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and thinking about waste. We can improve this team if
we're worried about getting fired or losing our jobs and
worried about the wrong thing. Personally, I love the pressure.
That's the only way to you get better. So now
I'm like, Okay, well you lost your job, a ton
of pressures on you, a ton of person on the
regime to basically say that Daniel Jones was the right choice.
And so I'm very curious because all of this makes
it exciting to me if and when he takes the
(16:29):
field again, but also a bit frightening if you're the cult,
because you have to be right on one of the other.
You don't really get a do over if you miss
obviously on Anthony so far it looks like a miss,
and if you miss again on Daniel Jones, So very
curious to see how it all plays out, but also
thankful that ar kind of gave me some time before
things went down, and yeah, you said all the right
things then, and now it's very curious to see.
Speaker 3 (16:51):
How what does it all mean? So check that piece out.
Speaker 2 (16:53):
There's other stuff in there as well, about how he
talked about the tap out leadership, all these things he
had to learn, and like the Colts are trying to
reverse engineer it a bit, and I don't know if
that's just gonna work.
Speaker 1 (17:04):
I just think it's gonna be fascinating if and when.
And we don't wish injury on anybody, but it's the NFL.
And what was the stat you gave the other day
about how many quarterbacks?
Speaker 2 (17:12):
Yeah, sixty nine starting quarterbacks last year for thirty two teams.
Speaker 1 (17:15):
So if and when, let's say Daniel Jones is okay,
like he's been most of his careers. Okay, but he
goes down with an ankle injury for a week and
Anthony Richard comes in. Richardson comes in and he plays
lights out. Now what do you do if you're the
Indianapolis Colts. This is the guy you drafted to be
your franchise quarterback three years ago. And I know Daniel
Jones comes in and beats him out, But what if
(17:39):
what if he is taking all this time and he
does continue And I'm just saying what if? But what
if he comes out and has a terrific game in
the absence in week five of an ankle injury for
Daniel Jones? Now what do the Colts do? They just
go right back to Daniel Jones.
Speaker 4 (17:52):
Yeah, It's funny you mentioned that because I think some
people brought up that's why the Colts weren't playing Anthony
richards in a Week three of the preseason. They didn't
want him to have a good game, and all of
a sudden the chatter start to rise again. Part of
me thinks, honestly, if they don't use Anthony richard in
short yardage, they are a bit afraid of Richardson walking
(18:15):
onto the field and having some success in that chatter building.
I know that's a very but.
Speaker 3 (18:20):
You can't think like they can't. Well, you can like that.
Speaker 1 (18:25):
When you're sitting there talking to each other up in
that luxury suite and you're watching guys playing football. There's
nothing else to do but talk.
Speaker 4 (18:31):
About that thought that. I'm strictly just that is my
gut feel. I don't want to infer anything else off
of that, but that's just how I feel about the
situation of they. I mean, they're not idiots. They were
at Grand Park listening to the crowd's reaction with Anthony
Richardson was under center versus Daniel Jones is under center.
They know full well what the chatter is and if
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all of a sudden that guy comes out of the
field and starts to show you something and the other
guy maybe isn't showing you that they get how that looks.
And again, I know that's an optic thing, and you
want to sit here because let's be honest, what is
one of the best chances for the Colts to have
great success this season? You don't think Anthony Richardson would
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be an asset in short yardage? You don't think if
richard sent do we need to pop in the film
of him scoring the touchdown against the Jets or I agree,
I mean, like that's there. He is at his best.
So not utilizing that, to me, is a disservice to
your football team. So what would be the why in
not utilizing that? Are you grounding him? Are you punishing him?
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Because that quote that Shane Seng gave last week, that
sounded like a grounding quote. That sounded like you go
to your room and you don't even think about turn
on the TV, you go to the.
Speaker 1 (19:42):
Porta potty, don't even think about coming.
Speaker 4 (19:44):
Out seriously, So again that's probably a little bit more
of a you know, gut feel the cults are private.
Heavily pushed back against that, but it was just my thoughts.
Speaker 1 (19:53):
Graham from abe On texting at two three ninety ten
seventy says, I'm gonna be honest, I truly think Shane
made his decision on the quarterback one the moment Ar
took that shot in Baltimore, and that might have been
if if he was on the fence, that might have
been it. Right there, mister Simon getting hurt, same old,
same old, right.
Speaker 2 (20:12):
That certainly didn't help his case. I don't think he
made that decision solely off of that. But when you're
neck and neck in a position battle, which I perceived
it to be, then yeah, that's certainly a big mark
against you. Because we were just thinking, here we go again.
And by most accounts, and a lot of these people
were NFL quarterbacks, one of them being Kurt Warner. They're saying,
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this is basic stuff. You gotta know this stuff, and
to missing assignment like that, especially on that stage it's
your you know, preseason opener, first time we've seen you
play live football in months, and you go out like
that tough scene.
Speaker 1 (20:48):
Yes, Georgia.
Speaker 4 (20:50):
So, by the way, going back to Graham's point, Yeah,
I do think that Ravens play was the finally on
the coffin, I mean, the preseason as elementary as they
come for these teams, and they're running basic insaust stuff,
and when you screw that up, it's just one more hammer,
you know what, one more hammer.
Speaker 2 (21:04):
To add to that thought, Kevin, I think sometimes, I
think I've said this before on the air, ar can
come off a bit too nonchalant, like even after that game,
I got to be on my p's and q's. You know,
it is what it is, kind of like mentality.
Speaker 3 (21:24):
You probably need to own it more.
Speaker 2 (21:27):
And I'm not saying that he didn't do something to
own up to it or didn't you know, acknowledge fact
that he messed up, but I would think you probably
want to sound just a bit more urgent or serious
about it. And I think from his mind a lot
of had you with the injury. It's like, oh, I
want to downplay the injury stuff because I don't want
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this thing to kind of follow me around. But man,
his reaction to it, I thought, was just like, Wow,
that's what you think. It was, just like p's and q's.
What else do you think about perhaps of the biggest
plays of your preseason ending in that fashion?
Speaker 4 (22:03):
So I would agree. I think it's at times a
little bit too lackadaisical.
Speaker 2 (22:08):
You might want to even if it's just performative. I'm like, dude,
just get up there and say, you know, I have
to do this better. I gotta do this. This was unacceptable.
But it's kind of just like, ah, well.
Speaker 4 (22:18):
Well I've always felt that way about the TapouT. Going
to the podium. After the tap out, you need to
come up there and be like, yeah, I felt my
oblique again, and you know what, and I need like
and again, yes, find us, and yes it would be
a performive act. But you'll say I was tired because
right now there is a large I don't know about large,
but there's defuly a chunk of the fan base, people
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for that organization, people around the NFL that as soon
as they saw the tap out, they were done with them.
Speaker 2 (22:43):
Yeah, and just to I know, we got to get
to break real quick. When we asked Anthony about the
tap out, that was after Shane had already said he'd
been tired. So just to give you some context there,
when we were in the press confers room after that
game in Houston, Shane comes out first and he said, oh,
he just needed one, and then we ask ar and
then he confirmed that he was tired. So people say, oh,
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he should have just said he wasn't tired. Is that
a moment where your coach should have had your back?
Speaker 3 (23:10):
I don't know, Like you know what I mean. It's
a little more layer than that, but ultimately you just
can't do that as a player.
Speaker 4 (23:15):
One thing I want to get to after Stephen Holder
joins us, and that piece you mentioned, James from Zach
Keith for Crisp bound out a quote in there about
it's easier to find a quarterback when you have one.
I thought that was a really interesting quote from the
Colts GM. I want to get a little bit deeper
into that. After Stephen Holder joins us.
Speaker 1 (23:31):
Well, Stephen Holder is up next and we'll speak with him,
and you can listen in at two three, nine, ten
to seventy on the text line and just check it
all out for yourself, get your reactions. Then let us
know what you think you hear and what you believe
the Colts will be doing in Week one against the
Miami Dolphins. It comes up next at ninety three five
and one oh seven five of the.
Speaker 4 (23:47):
Fame Alright eight o'clock on a Wednesday. It is the
first I guess official NFL Wednesday of the air get
injury report coming up later today. Colts will practice again
that normal cadence Wednesday, three Thursday Friday. Shane Steichen will
meet the media coming up later today to talk more
about all of this. And I guess I should start
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with a heartfelt even though I don't mean it at all,
but hopefully he thinks I mean it. Steven Holder, congrats
to Miami Hurricanes.
Speaker 5 (24:16):
Well, I mean, I don't know how to take that,
but sort of half assed compliment, but I'll take it.
I'll take it because I like it. Listen that that
was a good start. I was nervous, so I'll take it.
Speaker 1 (24:27):
I'll tell you what.
Speaker 4 (24:28):
Carson Beck made a couple of plays that I'm thinking myself,
Oh boy, Miami might might have a little something of that.
If that D line continues to look like that and
Carson Beck looks like that, it could be a team
that's playing deep into the month of January.
Speaker 5 (24:40):
Yeah, I mean, we'll see.
Speaker 1 (24:42):
I do.
Speaker 5 (24:43):
I was hopeful about Beck and I think you know,
this guy less than two years ago was a projected
number one pick. I mean like this time last year.
I think he was like a projected number one pick
at one point, and you know, I don't know what
happened in the interim, but there's something in him right
today somewhere, So let's see if he can bring it out.
Speaker 2 (25:03):
So obviously the Colts hope pivoting a bit to the NFL, Stephen,
that they can bring the best out of Daniel Jones
now that he's kind of been in that role. Stephen,
what have you been able to perhaps glean from the
coaching staff for players about the type of player who
will be stepping into the most important position in the
sport in a huge position for this franchise in particular,
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that just hasn't been able to find that consistent answer
at quarterback.
Speaker 5 (25:27):
Yeah, I mean, it really has just been reinforced to me.
Everything that I've seen and heard has been reinforced to
me that this is it's certainly about Daniel Jones, but
it's less about him than other people, and it's about
it's about Michael Pittman and Josh Downs and Tyler Warren
and Alec Parris and Jonathan Taylor. I mean, this is
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a bet on those guys the way that Daniel Jones
plays a role here, as best as I can tell,
is that they think he will maximize those guys. I mean, certainly,
you know, Anthony Richardson, you know, can certainly get a
lot out of guys with his big playability. But just
to consistently get as much as you can out of
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those guys on each and every play, that's what the
Colts are hoping for here. So by by getting into
the right play and setting the right protections and all
those pre snap things are talking about, they think that
will enable those guys to be maximized. Whether it's a
checkdown or a quick out or whatever it is. It
probably won't be sexy, but that's where their heads are at,
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and we'll see if they're right.
Speaker 1 (26:33):
Steven Holder joining us here on the Payless Lookers hotline. Steven,
I'm just curious you mentioned some of those players just
a moment ago. What kind of early contribution do you
think is possible for Tyler Warren? Like, how involved will
he be in this offense right away?
Speaker 5 (26:47):
Well, it'll be interesting to see because I do think
that there are a lot of guys that deserve the
football here. So I don't think they're going to force
feed Tyler Warren, you know, and I don't know what
that means from a like fantasy perspective or what have you.
If people are interested in that, I think we got
to feel that out. But I do believe that he
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will be impactful because when he does get the ball,
he has the ability to make plays. And I think
the area that interests being most perhaps is after the catch,
because you know, we don't think of Tyler Warren as like,
you know, this Sam Laporter type of guy who is
maybe you know, just a real speed guy and this high,
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high level athlete. I mean, Tyler Warren is a great athlete,
but but he's he's different and that he's much more physical.
So I think really his run after the catch will
be Okay, I got the ball, Now you got to
tackle me, as opposed to I'm gonna run away from you.
So that's gonna make it hard, I think for if
he gets the right matchups, I mean, if you get
him on a on a nickel corner for example, I mean,
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that's gonna be a long day. Now, he'll probably get
some linebackers. But he's also a good enough athlete that
he can he can get away from those guys. So
I think after the catch is where I'm really intrigued
to watch Tyler Warren. But I do think, at least initially,
it may not be the force feeding kind of situation
that maybe you would think with a first round pick,
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particularly as a tight end on a team with a
lot of other weapons.
Speaker 4 (28:16):
Steven, would you be more surprised if the Colts finish
this year drafting in the top eight or the bottom eight?
I don't know why I have quartiles on my mind,
but you think better chance they finishes the top eight
drafting team or.
Speaker 5 (28:34):
R I p. I guess I would say I'd probably
be more surprised if it's the bottom eight. And that
is not to suggest that I believe in Daniel Jones.
I'm gonna be honest, I kind of don't, but but
I think I think it's possible he can be the
game manager they want. That that is certainly possible. Right. Uh,
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He's not gonna win them games in my opinion, but
I think this team has enough depth and enough talent
throughout it that if they're in the bottom eight, if
they're picking in the bottom eight, then something went seriously wrong.
And I think Shane Steiken, you know, I think the
jury is still out on him as a head coach,
but he has gotten a fair amount out of the
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team in the first two years without any consistency at quarterbacks,
which is the biggest factor. He hasn't had that, and
they're still a five hundred team over his first two years.
So he's doing something right, even though I still think
he's got more to prove. So I think given all
of that, I'd be surprised if they're in that company.
But the preseason predictions for this team nationally, for whatever
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that's worth, not much, but for whatever that's worth, including
at the place I work ESPN, they're not very complimentary.
Speaker 1 (29:51):
I would say that, do.
Speaker 4 (29:53):
You think, And I guess it's hard to I guess
I apologize a little bit for asking the question, and
it's hard to know. We don't know a lot about
Carli or say go and necessarily where she's drawing the
line in terms of evaluations. Do you think a playoff
birth is enough for this regime to run it back
for another year?
Speaker 5 (30:11):
I think it's I think possibly it depends on what
it looks like. I mean, that's that's always the answer there, right,
But I think that it depends, you know. I think
you can back into the playoffs, and you can also
make the playoffs in good standing and looking like you're
a competent team. It can look very different depending on
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the circumstances. So I would like to see what it
looks like. And I think I think she's pragmatic enough
that those things matter for her too, like the what's
the future look like? The trajectory. All that matters because
Carly is a She's a thinker from all indications, you know,
she's someone who who definitely looks at the bigger picture.
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And I think is less emotional than her father. It's
not a that's not a compliment or a or a
disparaging remark. It's just a fact, right, Jim Mersey, he
moved and decided things when it times with his gut. Curly,
I'm sure has some of that in her sisters, but
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but I think they are much more pragmatic and we'll
look at the bigger picture and much more black and white.
Speaker 2 (31:21):
I'm just, you know, amazed at him using pragmatic twice.
We have ESPN Stephen Holder on the line with us,
and I'm thinking, I got to google this word.
Speaker 3 (31:29):
I know what it means.
Speaker 2 (31:29):
But if you put me in a spell the contest
right now, I could not spell that correctly.
Speaker 5 (31:33):
I don't think, hey, listen, they'll just hire anybody at
the Worldwide Leader buddy.
Speaker 4 (31:41):
Hire Mike Wells.
Speaker 1 (31:42):
To be fair, I had.
Speaker 5 (31:45):
Big shoes to fill.
Speaker 2 (31:47):
Well, I'm glad that Allie showing up to practice. Speaking
of practice, first one today official for the season and
we'll hear from Shane's psyching letter today. But when it
comes to preparing for Miami, what type of challenges do
you think they present, particularly when it comes to the
secondary Stephen, Because as much as personally I want to
believe in that group, I do have questions because there's
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been so much change and turnover, and we know that
Lou a Roumo is known for putting a lot on
the secondary. And do you think that this week could
be a big test for them considering that when they
had their quarterback this year in Tua and just the
speed on the outside.
Speaker 5 (32:26):
Yeah, I mean I think look at when when that
group has been you know in stride. I'm talking about
you know Tua and his playmakers. They are a lot
to handle and I think that is that's where this
game is going to be won and lost in my opinion.
You know, I think the Colts are going to do
what they do offensively and it'll be sort of humdrum.
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But you know, I think if they get into a
shootout with this team, I don't like their chances that
that can't happen. This defense has to hold up and
and the way I think that will play out and
be determined will be prevented the big plays. If they
start giving up big plays, I think it's gonna be
a long day or potentially, so they've got to I
think it's gonna be a great test for this secondary
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right off the bat. We're going to learn a lot
about them right away, and I.
Speaker 4 (33:13):
Want to see.
Speaker 5 (33:14):
I want to see if they can pull this off
because I mean a Rumo lots being put on his
shoulders here, right. Can he be the guy the day?
Hope he is. So I think a lot of people
early on the secondary and Luanna Rumo are going to
be tested and maybe something will be revealed about them.
Speaker 2 (33:34):
Steven, the Colts have not won a season, opener, I
believe since twenty thirteen?
Speaker 3 (33:38):
Were you on the beat? And if not, where were
you in twenty thirteen?
Speaker 5 (33:45):
Okay, so I went through this yesterday with Querry. It's hilarious.
That was my first regular season colts game. I just
I had just gotten too Indianapolis and I moved here.
I believe my daughter was like four and she was
I think in like pre as James knows because he's
been to our football games at Lawrence North where she's
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a cheerleader. She's sixteen now and she's a junior in
high school and they still haven't won another one. It's incredible.
It is really one of the more incredible stats in sports.
And every time I bring this up to someone, like
on a national radio program or even within my own
colleagues at ESPN, people look at me like I have
three heads because they don't believe it's possible. There's two
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stats with the cults that that people are bewildered by.
It's that one and then also the fact that which
is you know, maybe there's something there that one, and
maybe the fact that they haven't won the AFC South
since twenty fourteen. People it takes them a while to
digest those two stats.
Speaker 2 (34:47):
Yeah, honestly, what's the other one? They haven't won in
Jacksonville since twenty fourteen, So there's a few streaks there exactly.
Speaker 5 (34:53):
I mean basically the last twelve years of this franchise.
I mean, what were they even doing?
Speaker 4 (34:58):
I guess even close it out, you want to take
a stab at who was the leading receiver in that
win over the Raiders? How about leading receiver, leading tackler
Terrell Pryor was the opposing quarterback of that game? I
think that that trivia question we've probably played out enough there.
The Colts leading receiver in that game was who.
Speaker 5 (35:18):
That's the twenty thirteen opener? Oh my goodness, there's no
way it was Darius Hayward Bay. Was it?
Speaker 4 (35:25):
Darius Hayward Bay was second three catches for thirty three yards,
the leading receiver going into his fourth year as wide
receivers coach for the Colts. It was Reggie Wayne eight catches.
That's actually crazy for the leading tackler, fifteen tackles for
this guy in the season opening win. And IM sure
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if Jarrell Freeman was it. Darrell Freeman was third and
tackles in that game. I'm sure this man had quite
a lot to say in front of his locker with
a little action figure incredible Hulk afterwards, Lon Landryron Landry
with fifteen tackles.
Speaker 3 (36:06):
What a name as the goodness?
Speaker 5 (36:08):
What time to be Alive?
Speaker 1 (36:12):
See what you learn today, Stevid, what it's.
Speaker 5 (36:14):
Time to be alive? I mean, I'm telling you that
was quite an era.
Speaker 1 (36:17):
It was.
Speaker 5 (36:18):
It was something wow. Yeah, I mean the Lauren Landry era.
It lasted like six months and it was good for
six months. That's about it.
Speaker 1 (36:28):
It's always good to talk to you, Steve, and I
know we have made it through the long dark season
and we've got NFL football at Lucas Oil Stadium on Sunday.
Can't wait to see you there and enjoy the rest
of your week and we'll we'll all get there, countdown
to kick off together.
Speaker 5 (36:43):
All right, I'll see you guys soon.
Speaker 1 (36:46):
Good morning, we get to Tony. So the second the
Fantasy football draft of the Fan Morning Show is underway
as the number one selection been made. Because I'm not
logged in yet, I've got.
Speaker 3 (36:54):
To get in there, buddy, I got a right now.
Speaker 1 (36:56):
If you are literally on the clock, well then they're
probably gonna get out of draft to this first one,
which is fine in the first two picks.
Speaker 4 (37:02):
So here we come.
Speaker 1 (37:04):
We're talking about this draft for two weeks.
Speaker 4 (37:06):
The first dude took a full minute on the clock,
and now Jeff's not even logged into auto draft.
Speaker 1 (37:12):
Apparently my password is not what I thought it was.
Oh it's number two. You can't screw up with an
auto draft.
Speaker 4 (37:21):
That the se draft Matt Gay, Yeah right, Mark, this
is going to take us three hours. The first two
dudes have literally Jeff and this other guy have literally
taken every second.
Speaker 1 (37:30):
There we go. I'm changing it as we speak.
Speaker 3 (37:34):
Oh gosh.
Speaker 1 (37:35):
In the meantime, why don't you bring in Tony East
and we can talk about some real things.
Speaker 4 (37:40):
Because I don't draft till the end. Tony East locked
on Pacers and has your coverage Fever and Pacers has
an excellent job with that. Tony, we haven't talked in
a while. How's life, man, It's great.
Speaker 6 (37:53):
I woke up and I've been all in on this
Kawhi Leonard Pablo Torre thing this morning, which is yeah,
I saw you.
Speaker 4 (38:00):
This is why I saw this come across the wire.
But I haven't been able to read too much on it.
Could you kind of fill us in on it? Thanks
for you know, sharing this news, so I need.
Speaker 6 (38:11):
To actually listen to the podcast. But just from reading
tweets and watching people react to what the CBA rules are.
Apparently a company was created and then Steve Balmer invested
a bunch of money in it, and then that company
signed Kawhi Leonard to a contract that pays him twenty
eight million dollars if he's playing for the Clippers. That's
on top of his NBA contract. Very obviously, salary caps
(38:33):
are convention completely crazy.
Speaker 4 (38:36):
That sounds highly illegal. But it sounds like something that
was done like in.
Speaker 6 (38:39):
Those It sounds like college nil.
Speaker 4 (38:42):
It sounds like yeah, like how like people played for
like the SEC schools like ten years ago.
Speaker 6 (38:48):
It's crazy. Uh, and it's going to be a thing
for the NBA because you can't do that.
Speaker 4 (38:54):
So gosh, that's wild.
Speaker 2 (38:56):
Well you know boardman gets paid, so so it's a
kowhile Leonard, baby, get everything that's coming to you.
Speaker 6 (39:02):
Of all the players getting paid under the table. The
guy who had all these questions about like is he
actually heard or not, it is the funniest one.
Speaker 4 (39:08):
Objectively, Yes, yes, I agree.
Speaker 2 (39:10):
This is just the tip of the iceberg, as they say,
Tony oh yes, pivoting a bit to the fever we
saw last night weren't quite able to stage that fourth
quarter comeback against the Phoenix Mercury. So now with three
games left in the season, Tony, how dicey is it
for them? I know you've been doing on your Twitter.
I've enjoyed saying like, Okay, it could be from this
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range to this range. They can't fall below this, they
can't get above this as far as the standings go.
But how big is Friday Night and just the overall
field and state of this team.
Speaker 6 (39:41):
Yeah, they've had a great couple of days with the
Sparks beating the Storm, and the Valkyries look really great recently,
but their odds are still probably pretty high just because
of two things. One is that Golden State and Seattle
still play each other once. It's actually the Storm's last
game of the season, I believe, so one of those
teams has to lose that game, right, and that by
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default helps the Fever in their quest to catch or
stay ahead of somebody else. And then the other thing
that helps them is the Sparks have five games left,
which is still a lot, but they all but one
of them are really hard teams. They still play the
Aces the Mercury, and they start a two games set
in Atlanta against a Dream today tonight, I believe, and
so because their schedule is hard and they have to
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straight up leap frog the Fever, but they have two
wins fewer than the odds for the Fever are still
pretty high, mostly because of that Sparks part. But they
did not have a good weekend in terms of their
odds with those losses, with LA coming out of some tight,
close games, and the Fever really need to I mean,
they're going to be favored in their next two games,
like they really need to get both of them, particularly
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one of them, because you know, it is at least
plausible for them to miss it in a way that
I wasn't sure was the case after they beat the Sparks.
But I still think their odds are pretty high given
all the factors outside of their own.
Speaker 1 (40:58):
Team, Tony, how well could team do without Caitlyn Clark
in the postseason?
Speaker 6 (41:04):
Yeah, you know, I've thought about that a lot recently,
because they have some great wins even without her this season.
They they won the Commission's Cup title game without her.
I guess if the Link's the best team in the
league and they have some other like high quality wins
against good teams, and it's so easy for me to say, well,
I still have Kelsey Mitchell, they still have Lea Boston.
Like that's two All Star level talents that are are good,
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and they have other good players. It's just that was
earlier in the season when they were way less banged
up and had players that they intended to have on
their team this year is still healthy and playing, and
since then they lost Darry McDonald and Sidy Colson and
Zovie Cunningham and they've been playing players who are on
the team for one, two, three weeks. So I still
think their like highest level without Caitlin is moderately high,
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like in the you know, fourth through sixth best team range.
But can they string that together with any sort of consistency. No,
you have not seen them do that. I mean, they
have some some rough losses recently too, against teams that
you think they should beat or be able to stay
ahead of, including the Wings and the Mystics at home,
so it's hard to like.
Speaker 7 (42:06):
Actually, if they've showed any sort of consistency for multiple games,
I would say that it's possible for them to reach
a level that without Clark could get them through a round,
but you know, they need to find they have three
games up to find some of those answers, because on
paper they should be at least decent, but they've shown
really high flashes without her and just.
Speaker 6 (42:25):
Some totally low like they did on Sunday in Golden
State Valley, So they just look like they can't score Tony.
Speaker 4 (42:31):
Tomorrow strikes me as a huge day for Kaitlin Clark,
Like obviously they traveled back late, either late last night today,
I don't know exactly what their travel schedule is tomorrow.
Back on the practice floor before game on Friday. I
would think any chance for her to play maybe again
this season. She's got to practice tomorrow, right, I mean,
where are you kind of at with her availability the
rest of the year.
Speaker 6 (42:52):
Yeah, they practice Saturday too in Indy like they had.
Stephanie White actually tries to find times for practices throughout
the season in a way that a lot of coaches
I've covered in the NBA, and you kind of don't.
You know, maybe they're not as hard, but I think
that gives more chances for it to happen. But I agree,
it's getting late, and like you know this, this felt
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like an advantage to me when it happened, but now
given the Kalin Clark situation, maybe not. You know, their
last game is next Tuesday, but the w only has
thirteen teams. Excuse me, it has thirteen teams this season
and that's an odd number. So the not every team
plays the same last day, which is very atypical in sports.
So some team's final game is next Thursday, some is
next Wednesday, the fevers next Tuesday, so they don't have
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as much time. Also like to throw in other practices
to get her going, And on one hand, that's a
negative if you want her to return for the regular season.
On the other hand, look, this is unusual but not
unheard of in sports, Like they will have more time
between their last game and the start of the postseason
if they make it to get her on the practice floor.
So I would say this, I agree with you that
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if she's gonna play in the regular season tomorrow, specifically
in this week, is extremely significant. But if she's going
to return for the postseason and do the we've seen
this for four kind of thing, but it's rare, like
Kyle Swarber and the World Series level stuff, like it's
plausible that that big gap could be meaningful. It's something
that I thought about recently, but I know they keep
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saying it's the hope she returns. I don't know why
they would be consistently putting her up into more situations
that we can see. Five on zero, the most recent one,
if they weren't hoping at least that she plays. But
that is of course just speculation and reading into what
they've chosen to do so far.
Speaker 2 (44:33):
Last one on Caitlin Tony going back to when the
injury first happened to where we are now, do you
understand why they've strung it along like this? I mean
they basically said she's week to week or day to
day ever since it happened.
Speaker 3 (44:48):
And has that made sense to you?
Speaker 2 (44:50):
Because from the outside look at it and it's like, well,
why come you just didn't say she was gonna miss
I don't know, a month at least. I guess that's
the question that is frustrating for some of the fan base.
Speaker 6 (44:59):
Oh, it's frustrated everybody. It should be right out and
definitely sucks because you know, it sounds like there's no timeline,
but like everybody has a timeline, right, Like everybody's trying
to return or hit a benchmark at some date, and
so it's really challenging when that's kind of how it is.
I kind of, you know, interpreted that as like a, well,
we don't know for sure, but we'll see. We think
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it's about this time. But you know, it's tough when
that is the reality that's provided. And so it does
kind of feel like we're all just along for the
ride and seeing what it happens, because that's still the line,
right and so until she does contact, I don't know
if we'll know any more specifics about an actual return
timeline or specific game. And that's been how it's been
since mid July, which is, you know, not not unheard of,
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but a little strange.
Speaker 1 (45:48):
Thanks for stopping by. As always, it's always basketball sin.
Speaker 4 (45:52):
Go ahead at him, Tony East. We're here trying to
multitask the fantasy football draft, so apolitic.
Speaker 5 (45:59):
Uh, figure out our passwords?
Speaker 1 (46:01):
Say it again, passwords?
Speaker 6 (46:04):
Are we in? Are we going?
Speaker 4 (46:05):
I think Jeff is in. I think he's in.
Speaker 1 (46:07):
I believe, So yeah, I got him just in the
nick time.
Speaker 4 (46:09):
So we're good. Benec Matheren contract Excension. Listen to your
podcast and the Way in this morning, Locked on Pacers.
It was an excellent listen. I get the vibe that, like,
neither party probably wants to do an extension, and like
I shouldn't say, I get the vibe like I've been
talking to like both parties. I can see reasons why
(46:30):
both sides of it would be hesitant. Is that kind
of where you are? And I don't feel like that's
exactly where a lot of these extension debates get to.
Speaker 6 (46:39):
Yes, I totally agree, And it's not even that both
sides would be hesitant because they're not certain they'll be
together forever. Like maybe they do want to be together forever,
and they want to be you know, he wants to
be the starter for the Pacers the pace one had
them to grow with them. Like that's totally reasonable, but
like it's very rare that a player gets the kind
of opportunity in their fourth season's about to have where
(47:01):
they're about to have a way bigger role to prove
themselves in a way that they haven't really had in
their career. I guess you could count the start of
Matherens second season, but then Buddy Heal took his starting
spot in like four weeks or something, so he has
a chance to do all the stuff that he's done
at his best and that he says he can do,
which is, you know, guard some of the best players.
(47:23):
Like there's no way they're going to put them hard
on the best guy every night and have him be
you know, a heavy load lead ball handler, and Matheren's
gonna have the ballmore. His usage rate was like five
percent higher without Halburn last year. That's a rare opportunity
to look awesome and like do all the stuff you
said you could do and really prove what you can
do to your team and potentially other teams because if
he'll be a free agent next year. So if you're
(47:44):
bet Matheren, you know, if you're getting extension offers from
the Pacers based on what you've done so far and
on what the Pacers think he'll do, you know in
the future, given the role that he's had with a team,
that's probably not it's not the PACER's fault for paying
him like that, Like that's the information they have. But
if you're him, you're thinking, man, get way more, right,
And if you're the Pacers, you're like, well, that's fine, right,
if you played great, we'll pay you like that if not,
(48:05):
you know, we we've seen this, we know what you are,
We've you know where Carlisle talked on this show about
the difference between the rat game Ben Mather and what
you know, pacers Ben Mather could be and I think
one of the funniest things ever, by the way, with
him saying no disrespect to rats when you asked.
Speaker 4 (48:19):
Him about that.
Speaker 6 (48:19):
I still laugh about that. But anyway, you know, those
kind of differences are why he has this huge opportunity
in front of him and why it's like, even if
they both really wanted to stay locked in his team
player partnership going forward, it makes sense to wait and
get as much information as possible. So it's not a
bad thing. I think. It's just kind of how it is.
Speaker 4 (48:38):
Literally one of my favorite audio clips of all time
right there.
Speaker 6 (48:47):
I could not believe that was the first three you
said he had that ready to go.
Speaker 4 (48:50):
He said in such a serious manner, like all of
a sudden, these rats were waiting outside to have a
word with him when he finished this morning coffee. All right,
last one, you know nothing about the NFL outside of
the Minnesota Vikings. Oh boy, more wins for your Minnesota Vikings.
More wins for the Indiana Hoosiers in football.
Speaker 6 (49:08):
Oh boy, oh JJ McCarthy. I probably would take the
Hoosis although that old Dominion game really spooked me. Man.
I know they played away better than them, but I
walked away like yikes, yike.
Speaker 3 (49:20):
Just just wait a couple of weeks, brother, Illinois, I.
Speaker 6 (49:24):
Know I haven't had I suppose I suppose I've only
had like real excited expectations for RIU football twice in
my life, and last time was twenty twenty one and
they were totally miserable.
Speaker 5 (49:39):
So uh, after.
Speaker 6 (49:40):
The old Dominion game, I'm extremely nervous and sad again.
So hopefully they can have stick with me.
Speaker 2 (49:46):
I got nothing but bad news for it will not
be great.
Speaker 3 (49:49):
Yes, you will get two weeks from now, you know.
I'll let you know because I still got to get
my get back from from our trash talk. The last
time I Illinois played, I could not live that down.
Speaker 6 (49:59):
I was just in campaign. People are buzzing.
Speaker 1 (50:01):
Man, there you go. Where's the best place to go
find uh lockdown pacers?
Speaker 6 (50:05):
Yeah, anywhere you get podcasters on YouTube is the way
to go.
Speaker 1 (50:08):
Hi, buddy, always good to talk to you. Thanks for
putting up with us Yes, Thanks having guys
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