November 4, 2025 • 15 mins
Pacers head coach Rick Carlisle joins us and discusses how he’s framing the effort of the team with the record and amount of injuries, his thoughts on how the team has played to this point despite the adversity, Jarace Walker’s performance, his thoughts on Myles Turner’s return and the fan reaction & more!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Rick Is on the Payloff Slickers hotline coach, Good morning
to you. How are you okay? How have you framed
I guess these early losses with your team, you know,
you just watch every night and you've got you know,
half your front line guys, if not more, in street clothes.
Have you found it challenging at all when you get
into those postgame locker rooms and kind of framing the
(00:21):
effort that you're seeing and obviously comparing that to your record.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
No, it's not difficult really, with the exception of two games.
The game at Memphis we we did not play well,
did not compete at the level that we needed to,
and then the home game against Atlanta. Those were those
were the two that were not good. And you know,
(00:47):
really you've got to be realistic about things and from
a process standpoint, we have to be at a very
high compete level, a very high unselfish level, and all
those things, and uh, you know, the the other games
that we've played so far, you know, we've met those standards,
and so we've just got to be you know, we
(01:10):
we we've got to have a great level of objectivity here.
I'm the ones you know, on the other hand, we've
gotta we've got to work to get through a challenge
of time. Rick.
Speaker 3 (01:22):
When you look at that fourth quarter, you all were
down double digits, come back to tie the game. And
I talked to Jaris and Pascal after the game. They
were saying that this is sort of their DNA at
this point. And why do you think no matter who
is out there for you guys, you all are able
to rally and have that next play mentality despite you know,
losing two guys throughout the game.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
Well, this is what we've built, you know, this is
this is what we've done here. And I say we
It's been everybody, you know, It's been management, It's been
the players, the coaching staff. We we've really have have
strove to uh uh to build a culture of compete
(02:04):
no matter what, you know, get down in dirty as
much as you have to, as far as you know,
getting on the floor, playing with grit, playing with guts,
all that kind of stuff, and and find a way,
you know, find a way to win games, find a
way to stay in games. You know the situation. So
(02:26):
you know, I've been very pleased for the most part
with with the effort that we've had, really with the
exception of those two those two games, and you know,
tomorrow's another tough one, and you know we've lost a
couple more guys here.
Speaker 1 (02:42):
Again, Brooklyn tomorrow night for Rick Carlisle and the Pacers
before they head out west. Here, coach, last night, I
thought Isaiah Jackson gave you arguably probably one of his
better games of his young career. I've found myself needing
to remind myself he's only a year removed from the
torn Achilles. What specific did you like from Isaiah last night?
Speaker 2 (03:04):
High level of aggression, energy, you know, he's he's one
of our fighters too. You know, he's you know, he's
I know where he's from. You know, I was, I
was in Detroit for a couple of years. You know,
he's from Pontiac, Michigan. I mean, those are those are
tough dudes come out of there, you know, And so
he's a he's a warrior type guy. And very heartening
(03:26):
to see progress that he's made throughout the process of
return to play. You know, at the beginning, it was
it was difficult. You know, a lot of ups and downs,
and you know, very clearly did not have great rhythm
and and trying to get his legs under him and
those kinds of things. Last night, you know, he just
(03:50):
he just was able to bear down and and take
things to another level. And so you know, this is
what we need from him on as many nights as
he can do it. And really, this is this is
what we ask of everyone, and that is just to
give an unconditionally unselfish and gutty effort, you know, out
(04:13):
there to to compete to win games.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
You mentioned another night of injuries in Quentin Jackson leaving
the game early, so you'll have to change up the
starting lineup once again coming up tomorrow night. And I
was curious with all of your injuries, particularly at point guard.
You know, we've talked over the past couple of years.
You know, you've you've really handed the ball to Tyrese
and allowed so much freedom for him to run the show.
(04:39):
And even I assume some of that has gone to
t J McConnell or Andrew Nemhart. Have you had to,
I guess, call more plays from the sidelines this year
of you try have you had to create more like
structure within the game offensively because of all the point
guard in and outs that you've had through the first
handful of games.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
Well, things are different, for sure. I wasn't sure if
we were going to need to do that at an
extreme level. We have the capability to do it if needed,
you know. On the one hand, we don't have the playmakers,
(05:17):
the regular guys you know, you know, Tyrese tj and
and Emahard. On the other hand, the other guys have
have played in this style and have played a you know,
a past move, past move, create a problem type style
and you know, when when you get in this situation,
(05:41):
slowing the game down can seem like a good idea,
but uh it could be a curse too, because it's
a lot harder to get shots, uh, let alone score.
So we've tried to keep the tempo up. We need
to keep an element of ball security in you know,
(06:04):
light ball turnovers in this kind of situation are very
difficult to overcome. And the idea is to play as
much through our best players as we can. And right now,
the two guys that are the the main guys obviously
are Pascal Siakam and Aaron Nesmith, and so a lot
of action is going through them, and we got to
(06:28):
continue to try to find the best opportunities we can Rick.
Speaker 3 (06:32):
When you look at that fourth quarter, Jarris Walker ten
points four four shooting three assists, What did you like
from him down the stretch as far as just making
himself available to knock down some shots, but also play
making a bit to keep you all in that game.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
Force, you know, a level of force that is needed,
at a level of force that I believe he can
go to on a consistent basis, and so we need
more of that. He's made progress, for sure, people watching
our games can see that. That's an obvious fact. And uh,
(07:10):
this is a this is an amazing opportunity for him
right now. And so, uh so we need him and
he's got to be a guy that can do a
little bit of everything for us. You know, he's got
the ability to guard, he's got the ability to rebound,
the ability to make open shots. He drove the ball
well last night. His passing is is something that is
(07:33):
is unique, you know, to to his sort of body
type and skill set. And it's like in all of
the above thing and uh, you know, I like I like,
I like the progress that he's made, and uh, we're
going to keep pushing him forward. Rick.
Speaker 3 (07:48):
You've mentioned for us a few times throughout Jarius and
his development over the years. How do you teach Forest?
I know he's already a tough guy, but what does
that look like in practice?
Speaker 2 (08:00):
Just a mindset, you know, you simulate situations, you get
out pads, beat beat guys up as they're driving the ball.
Just you know, it's it's a lot of it, a
lot of it as an attitude, you know. And so look,
he's he's playing a different style and he played at Houston.
(08:23):
I'm not really familiar with with what he's high school
and time at IMG looked like from a style standpoint.
I do know that he played point guard one year
at IMG, you know, when they had injuries and so
but listen, this is this is a golden opportunity, you know,
for for him and in the organization right now, for
(08:44):
him to get, you know, some really high level, meaningful
minutes during a period where you know, we're we have
some we have some real challenges and so we need them.
Speaker 1 (08:55):
Tuesdays Tuesdays at eight Carlisle with us here on the
Paylistics Hotline again, PACER's got one more here at home
before they head out west. Obviously some extra juice in
the building last night coach, any interactions with Miles pregame
or postgame for you, he.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
Came over to the bench, you know, to to shake
hands with people right before the tip. That was it?
Speaker 1 (09:22):
Yeah, were you surprised at all by the fan reaction
pregame or within the game when Miles touched the ball?
Speaker 2 (09:30):
I don't know. I I guess not. And you know,
if you look at everything that has transpired over whatever
the period of time is, you know a lot of
things I guess have been have been said. I I'm
not I'm not on those social media channels in large
in large part, but you know, you hear things, and
(09:53):
so you know, divorce is difficult, you know, it's just, uh,
it just is. I will say that that I always
supported Myles, you know, completely, and I always admired the
man that he was when he was a member of
(10:14):
the Indiana Pacers. He's from a great family and all that,
and uh, you know, sometimes sometimes these things are difficult.
But I harbor no ill feelings toward Miles as a
as a person. It would have been good if some
(10:36):
of the things said were not said. And I don't
want to get into all that, but you know, some
of the stuff going after teammates unnecessarily didn't didn't didn't
make any sense, you know, with the kind of character
that he's demonstrated here. So it's, uh, it was it
was tough, you know, it was it was tough. You know,
(10:57):
I was I was not expecting that extremer reaction. But
I'm the one hand, on the other hand, things happen. Rick.
Speaker 3 (11:08):
Last one for me, we talk about franchise pillars, and
I was one of those guys and now you're a
new one. Over the last couple of years has been
Pascal Siakaman. After the game, he was talking about the
balance of not going crazy because of the outcomes of
these games, but also holding himself and to seem accountable
for trying to close these games out. So I've actually
(11:30):
just a few times, but with Pascal when he talks
about growth in his leadership, how have you seen him
push himself even more at this stage of his career.
For a guy who probably has a Hall of Fame
resume already.
Speaker 2 (11:43):
He's just he's an amazing player, I mean, just flat
out and yeah, obviously you see the skill set on
the floor, you know, you see the uh, the integrity
with which you know he competes, he's unselfish, all that
kind of stuff. And then and then there's a leadership
(12:03):
element to it. You know, that is uh an everyday
thing that hasn't waivered, you know, So he's just he's
extremely special. And this is really you go back in
the history of the Pacers in the NBA. You know,
I don't know that you're going to find a more
significant acquisition player, acquisition transaction, whatever you want to call it,
(12:29):
you know, in the history of the of the of
the Pacers, you know, during their NBA time. I know,
I'm not as I'm not as versed on on the
A B A transactions that that happened, but as far
as the NBA, I mean being able to trade for
a guy like this and and he he came to
Indiana because he wanted to play with Tyrese Haliburton, and
(12:53):
he wanted to play with the style that we were developing,
in a culture that we were building, and that those things,
those things are very gratifying. Our fans should be very
proud of that, our organization should be very proud of
that too. And we need him now more than ever.
I don't you know, I don't think that comes as
any surprise to anybody.
Speaker 1 (13:15):
Coach, kind of going off that and last one, and
as always, we appreciate the time you mentioned Aaron E.
Smith alongside Pascal earlier. I thought it was a huge
left handed drive late in the game from Aaron E. Smith.
As you're having to turn to other guys late in
games right now, where is their bal in hell? Maybe
there's no balance at this point. It's just the state
of your your playing time. Is there any balance of
(13:37):
putting too much on the plate of Aaron and Pascal
and realizing that you know, oh boy, they have so
much to handle right now for your franchise.
Speaker 2 (13:49):
Yeah, it's just, you know, it comes down to it
was down in minutes and it was down to the
load that you're talking about and trying to navigate. It
is best is can can be done? You know, it's yeah,
I think you look at the statuet after the game
(14:12):
last night and you know, to me, the two stats
that are the most telling is that Giannis plays thirty
one minutes and Pascal plays thirty eight. And you know
that's that's something that is hard to overcome right now.
You know, you just you need your your best players
(14:33):
on the floor as much as possible, So I got
to keep looking at it, got to keep being I think,
very vigilant about getting him and Aaron their rest. You know,
Ernly played played a little under thirty four minutes last night.
You know that's that's the manageable number, you know, but
(14:57):
we just you know, just got to try to keep
these guys as fresh as possible. I think at this
point that's a pretty obvious statement.
Speaker 1 (15:06):
Any chance Andrew or Benn play for you as you
guys head out west?
Speaker 2 (15:12):
Uh? I mean you're talking about that's a that's a week,
ten days out. So is there a chance we'll get
some guys back? There's a chance.
Speaker 1 (15:25):
Rick Carlisle on the payless Lookers outline again, Pacers and
nets coming up tomorrow night inside of Gambridge Field. That's
before they indeed head out west. Coaches always thank you
were great figure
Rick Is on the Payloff Slickers hotline coach, Good morning
to you. How are you okay? How have you framed
I guess these early losses with your team, you know,
you just watch every night and you've got you know,
half your front line guys, if not more, in street clothes.
Have you found it challenging at all when you get
into those postgame locker rooms and kind of framing the
(00:21):
effort that you're seeing and obviously comparing that to your record.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
No, it's not difficult really, with the exception of two games.
The game at Memphis we we did not play well,
did not compete at the level that we needed to,
and then the home game against Atlanta. Those were those
were the two that were not good. And you know,
(00:47):
really you've got to be realistic about things and from
a process standpoint, we have to be at a very
high compete level, a very high unselfish level, and all
those things, and uh, you know, the the other games
that we've played so far, you know, we've met those standards,
and so we've just got to be you know, we
(01:10):
we we've got to have a great level of objectivity here.
I'm the ones you know, on the other hand, we've
gotta we've got to work to get through a challenge
of time. Rick.
Speaker 3 (01:22):
When you look at that fourth quarter, you all were
down double digits, come back to tie the game. And
I talked to Jaris and Pascal after the game. They
were saying that this is sort of their DNA at
this point. And why do you think no matter who
is out there for you guys, you all are able
to rally and have that next play mentality despite you know,
losing two guys throughout the game.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
Well, this is what we've built, you know, this is
this is what we've done here. And I say we
It's been everybody, you know, It's been management, It's been
the players, the coaching staff. We we've really have have
strove to uh uh to build a culture of compete
(02:04):
no matter what, you know, get down in dirty as
much as you have to, as far as you know,
getting on the floor, playing with grit, playing with guts,
all that kind of stuff, and and find a way,
you know, find a way to win games, find a
way to stay in games. You know the situation. So
(02:26):
you know, I've been very pleased for the most part
with with the effort that we've had, really with the
exception of those two those two games, and you know,
tomorrow's another tough one, and you know we've lost a
couple more guys here.
Speaker 1 (02:42):
Again, Brooklyn tomorrow night for Rick Carlisle and the Pacers
before they head out west. Here, coach, last night, I
thought Isaiah Jackson gave you arguably probably one of his
better games of his young career. I've found myself needing
to remind myself he's only a year removed from the
torn Achilles. What specific did you like from Isaiah last night?
Speaker 2 (03:04):
High level of aggression, energy, you know, he's he's one
of our fighters too. You know, he's you know, he's
I know where he's from. You know, I was, I
was in Detroit for a couple of years. You know,
he's from Pontiac, Michigan. I mean, those are those are
tough dudes come out of there, you know, And so
he's a he's a warrior type guy. And very heartening
(03:26):
to see progress that he's made throughout the process of
return to play. You know, at the beginning, it was
it was difficult. You know, a lot of ups and downs,
and you know, very clearly did not have great rhythm
and and trying to get his legs under him and
those kinds of things. Last night, you know, he just
(03:50):
he just was able to bear down and and take
things to another level. And so you know, this is
what we need from him on as many nights as
he can do it. And really, this is this is
what we ask of everyone, and that is just to
give an unconditionally unselfish and gutty effort, you know, out
(04:13):
there to to compete to win games.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
You mentioned another night of injuries in Quentin Jackson leaving
the game early, so you'll have to change up the
starting lineup once again coming up tomorrow night. And I
was curious with all of your injuries, particularly at point guard.
You know, we've talked over the past couple of years.
You know, you've you've really handed the ball to Tyrese
and allowed so much freedom for him to run the show.
(04:39):
And even I assume some of that has gone to
t J McConnell or Andrew Nemhart. Have you had to,
I guess, call more plays from the sidelines this year
of you try have you had to create more like
structure within the game offensively because of all the point
guard in and outs that you've had through the first
handful of games.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
Well, things are different, for sure. I wasn't sure if
we were going to need to do that at an
extreme level. We have the capability to do it if needed,
you know. On the one hand, we don't have the playmakers,
(05:17):
the regular guys you know, you know, Tyrese tj and
and Emahard. On the other hand, the other guys have
have played in this style and have played a you know,
a past move, past move, create a problem type style
and you know, when when you get in this situation,
(05:41):
slowing the game down can seem like a good idea,
but uh it could be a curse too, because it's
a lot harder to get shots, uh, let alone score.
So we've tried to keep the tempo up. We need
to keep an element of ball security in you know,
(06:04):
light ball turnovers in this kind of situation are very
difficult to overcome. And the idea is to play as
much through our best players as we can. And right now,
the two guys that are the the main guys obviously
are Pascal Siakam and Aaron Nesmith, and so a lot
of action is going through them, and we got to
(06:28):
continue to try to find the best opportunities we can Rick.
Speaker 3 (06:32):
When you look at that fourth quarter, Jarris Walker ten
points four four shooting three assists, What did you like
from him down the stretch as far as just making
himself available to knock down some shots, but also play
making a bit to keep you all in that game.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
Force, you know, a level of force that is needed,
at a level of force that I believe he can
go to on a consistent basis, and so we need
more of that. He's made progress, for sure, people watching
our games can see that. That's an obvious fact. And uh,
(07:10):
this is a this is an amazing opportunity for him
right now. And so, uh so we need him and
he's got to be a guy that can do a
little bit of everything for us. You know, he's got
the ability to guard, he's got the ability to rebound,
the ability to make open shots. He drove the ball
well last night. His passing is is something that is
(07:33):
is unique, you know, to to his sort of body
type and skill set. And it's like in all of
the above thing and uh, you know, I like I like,
I like the progress that he's made, and uh, we're
going to keep pushing him forward. Rick.
Speaker 3 (07:48):
You've mentioned for us a few times throughout Jarius and
his development over the years. How do you teach Forest?
I know he's already a tough guy, but what does
that look like in practice?
Speaker 2 (08:00):
Just a mindset, you know, you simulate situations, you get
out pads, beat beat guys up as they're driving the ball.
Just you know, it's it's a lot of it, a
lot of it as an attitude, you know. And so look,
he's he's playing a different style and he played at Houston.
(08:23):
I'm not really familiar with with what he's high school
and time at IMG looked like from a style standpoint.
I do know that he played point guard one year
at IMG, you know, when they had injuries and so
but listen, this is this is a golden opportunity, you know,
for for him and in the organization right now, for
(08:44):
him to get, you know, some really high level, meaningful
minutes during a period where you know, we're we have
some we have some real challenges and so we need them.
Speaker 1 (08:55):
Tuesdays Tuesdays at eight Carlisle with us here on the
Paylistics Hotline again, PACER's got one more here at home
before they head out west. Obviously some extra juice in
the building last night coach, any interactions with Miles pregame
or postgame for you, he.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
Came over to the bench, you know, to to shake
hands with people right before the tip. That was it?
Speaker 1 (09:22):
Yeah, were you surprised at all by the fan reaction
pregame or within the game when Miles touched the ball?
Speaker 2 (09:30):
I don't know. I I guess not. And you know,
if you look at everything that has transpired over whatever
the period of time is, you know a lot of
things I guess have been have been said. I I'm
not I'm not on those social media channels in large
in large part, but you know, you hear things, and
(09:53):
so you know, divorce is difficult, you know, it's just, uh,
it just is. I will say that that I always
supported Myles, you know, completely, and I always admired the
man that he was when he was a member of
(10:14):
the Indiana Pacers. He's from a great family and all that,
and uh, you know, sometimes sometimes these things are difficult.
But I harbor no ill feelings toward Miles as a
as a person. It would have been good if some
(10:36):
of the things said were not said. And I don't
want to get into all that, but you know, some
of the stuff going after teammates unnecessarily didn't didn't didn't
make any sense, you know, with the kind of character
that he's demonstrated here. So it's, uh, it was it
was tough, you know, it was it was tough. You know,
(10:57):
I was I was not expecting that extremer reaction. But
I'm the one hand, on the other hand, things happen. Rick.
Speaker 3 (11:08):
Last one for me, we talk about franchise pillars, and
I was one of those guys and now you're a
new one. Over the last couple of years has been
Pascal Siakaman. After the game, he was talking about the
balance of not going crazy because of the outcomes of
these games, but also holding himself and to seem accountable
for trying to close these games out. So I've actually
(11:30):
just a few times, but with Pascal when he talks
about growth in his leadership, how have you seen him
push himself even more at this stage of his career.
For a guy who probably has a Hall of Fame
resume already.
Speaker 2 (11:43):
He's just he's an amazing player, I mean, just flat
out and yeah, obviously you see the skill set on
the floor, you know, you see the uh, the integrity
with which you know he competes, he's unselfish, all that
kind of stuff. And then and then there's a leadership
(12:03):
element to it. You know, that is uh an everyday
thing that hasn't waivered, you know, So he's just he's
extremely special. And this is really you go back in
the history of the Pacers in the NBA. You know,
I don't know that you're going to find a more
significant acquisition player, acquisition transaction, whatever you want to call it,
(12:29):
you know, in the history of the of the of
the Pacers, you know, during their NBA time. I know,
I'm not as I'm not as versed on on the
A B A transactions that that happened, but as far
as the NBA, I mean being able to trade for
a guy like this and and he he came to
Indiana because he wanted to play with Tyrese Haliburton, and
(12:53):
he wanted to play with the style that we were developing,
in a culture that we were building, and that those things,
those things are very gratifying. Our fans should be very
proud of that, our organization should be very proud of
that too. And we need him now more than ever.
I don't you know, I don't think that comes as
any surprise to anybody.
Speaker 1 (13:15):
Coach, kind of going off that and last one, and
as always, we appreciate the time you mentioned Aaron E.
Smith alongside Pascal earlier. I thought it was a huge
left handed drive late in the game from Aaron E. Smith.
As you're having to turn to other guys late in
games right now, where is their bal in hell? Maybe
there's no balance at this point. It's just the state
of your your playing time. Is there any balance of
(13:37):
putting too much on the plate of Aaron and Pascal
and realizing that you know, oh boy, they have so
much to handle right now for your franchise.
Speaker 2 (13:49):
Yeah, it's just, you know, it comes down to it
was down in minutes and it was down to the
load that you're talking about and trying to navigate. It
is best is can can be done? You know, it's yeah,
I think you look at the statuet after the game
(14:12):
last night and you know, to me, the two stats
that are the most telling is that Giannis plays thirty
one minutes and Pascal plays thirty eight. And you know
that's that's something that is hard to overcome right now.
You know, you just you need your your best players
(14:33):
on the floor as much as possible, So I got
to keep looking at it, got to keep being I think,
very vigilant about getting him and Aaron their rest. You know,
Ernly played played a little under thirty four minutes last night.
You know that's that's the manageable number, you know, but
(14:57):
we just you know, just got to try to keep
these guys as fresh as possible. I think at this
point that's a pretty obvious statement.
Speaker 1 (15:06):
Any chance Andrew or Benn play for you as you
guys head out west?
Speaker 2 (15:12):
Uh? I mean you're talking about that's a that's a week,
ten days out. So is there a chance we'll get
some guys back? There's a chance.
Speaker 1 (15:25):
Rick Carlisle on the payless Lookers outline again, Pacers and
nets coming up tomorrow night inside of Gambridge Field. That's
before they indeed head out west. Coaches always thank you
were great figure
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