Tuesday 8/26: Fan frustration growing with Steichen? + Colts trade before cuts!

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Good morning.

Speaker 2 (00:00):
The trio back together again as we get ready for
a big day for the Indianapolis Colts. We'll find out
who their initial fifty three man roster is going to
be about four pm today, at least all those cuts
are due by then. Along with James Boyd and Kevin Bowen.
I'm jeff Rickard Mark dyketon studio a little bit warm
today and the clothes are already flying off for Kevin
Bowen today. I'm a little worried about what it's going
to be like at the very end of the show.

(00:21):
How are you doing this morning, you're hanging in there.

Speaker 3 (00:23):
Welcome back. Great to have you back. It was hot,
very hot yesterday, sauna like so yes, I put an
extra layer on this morning for the walk to the car,
but knew full well once we got in this studio
it was not needed whatsoever.

Speaker 4 (00:37):
I liked.

Speaker 2 (00:37):
Yeah, I like the Hinkle Fieldhouse T shirt today. Haven't
seen that when that's a that's a cool one.

Speaker 3 (00:42):
I like that one there for fad model in the.

Speaker 2 (00:44):
Dolts Indiana Basketball Cathedral right there, James Boyd. It is
a very busy day for the Indianapolis Colts, but last
night they made a little bit of a roster edition
in the secondary, didn't they They did.

Speaker 5 (00:56):
They made a tray for we would say his name right,
Mackay black Man, the cornerback from Minnesota, to give him
a six round pick for him black and miss all
of last year with the torn acl But he is
a third round pick from a couple of seasons ago.
So what does that mean for the rest of the
cornerback room is the bigger question After a move like that.

Speaker 2 (01:17):
That would be interesting to see how the whole roster
comes together a little bit later on tonight. But suddenly,
where they had some injuries and things, what a week
and a half ago, all of a sudden, the Colts
are flushed with cornerbacks right now.

Speaker 3 (01:29):
I don't think I've ever seen it in the Chris
Powered era any position group get so much infusion in
an offseason. And it's not like they rebuilt the room.
The room still has the top guys back from last year, Kennymore,
Jalen Jones, if you want to call you Crystala Mond,
Samuel Walmack, those guys from last season. But yeah, I

(01:49):
mean they have now there are some obviously, you know,
not all of this is crystal clear justin Wally for examples,
the third round pick the towards ACL Unfortunately, as James mentioned, mckail,
I really want to say Makai Becton, not Makai black exactly,
Makai Blackman, like James pointed out towards ACLT on the
first A training camp last year, so he missed all

(02:11):
of last season. But yeah, two former All pros and
Travarious Ward and Xaming Howard. So I cannot recall a
time really in the ballad era where I have seen
one position group just get so again infusion not like
retooling at all. There are a lot of names at corner.
So yeah, it'll be interesting to see what happens when

(02:32):
four o'clock holes rolls around and how exactly it plays out.

Speaker 2 (02:35):
That brings up a question from our first text this morning.
Does this mean Juju Brentce is gonna get cut? James Boyd?
We just have to wait and see how it all
plays out.

Speaker 4 (02:42):
Yeah, we just gotta wait and see how it all
plays out.

Speaker 5 (02:44):
It's kind of like, you know, this morning, we were
coming in, we weren't sure if our boss is gonna
be on the show, and then we showed up and
I was like, you know what, there he is fifty
three man roster, our four man rosters back together. A
bit of a joke there. We have a groove text
that we heard nothing from you, Jeff. Until I walked
in today, I was like, oh, he's here, So I don't.

Speaker 2 (03:03):
Hear anything from me? It means everything's okay.

Speaker 4 (03:05):
Right, That's usually never what that means. But yeah, no,
I'll take this right.

Speaker 2 (03:08):
That's how I've always thought about Its good where you
at on that market. No news is good news.

Speaker 5 (03:13):
Well, when the news is hey, are we planning for
the show tomorrow and we don't hear anything, it's like,
is he all right?

Speaker 2 (03:20):
So I said, be back tuesday.

Speaker 4 (03:23):
Confirmation is always good, right?

Speaker 1 (03:24):
All right?

Speaker 2 (03:24):
Well, I'm joking. I'll start sending a proof of letter
from now on, you know, you know, a proof of
life tweets. You know I love them. I know we're
good with that.

Speaker 4 (03:32):
Shout up to listen Helfie in front of cracker barrel.

Speaker 2 (03:34):
That's what I watched up to listen to John.

Speaker 3 (03:36):
Here he goes moving home this morning. The show is
the only thing that's going to make this bearable. Much appreciated,
good sirs, John. I can think of far worse late
August days to move home. So honestly, weatherwise, John, you
gotta go in for you, so we'll have it covered
here for the next three hours.

Speaker 5 (03:53):
It's safe, safe travel. You guys got any tips. I
know you've done it before. I believe Kevin. I know, Jeff,
maybe you've done it before, moving homes, moving locations a
few times.

Speaker 6 (04:03):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (04:03):
I can't think it's a top ten worst day.

Speaker 7 (04:06):
You can have higher movers. Higher movers, don't think you're
doing it yourself.

Speaker 2 (04:11):
Just pay them.

Speaker 3 (04:12):
Have you have you looked how much you're talking for ice?
I don't care at ibuprofen. Yeah, moving sucks.

Speaker 7 (04:19):
You want to try to be lifting up like futons
and couches and all.

Speaker 6 (04:22):
No.

Speaker 2 (04:22):
Oh, I agree, this goes there.

Speaker 3 (04:25):
Are you sure that goes there? I thought it went there.

Speaker 4 (04:28):
I'm just saying, you know, you pay with money or
you pay with your back. Yeah, okay, it's.

Speaker 2 (04:32):
Usually how it works. I am now in the camp
of higher people, but I am also my eyebrows get
raised every time that that. I go, oh my gosh,
that's how much it costs these days.

Speaker 4 (04:42):
Think of the back, Jeff, I know, I know.

Speaker 2 (04:45):
Uh So anyway, we're we're waiting on cuts later on today.
Are there any any potential big surprises, like as you
were rolling this over in your head the last twenty
four hours, Kevin, is there anything that that goes man
that would be interesting?

Speaker 3 (04:59):
Well, Juju, I mean, would definitely be that. I mean,
that's a question that we have asked ourselves now here
ever since really Friday, when you know he played in
that preseason game. I still don't think he is going
to be cut. But you know, as James and I
talked about yesterday, there is a little bit of a
morsel or two of evidence where I might feel like
an idiot come for a one to day if indeed

(05:21):
he shows up on the other side of it. But again,
I don't think you're there just yet. I kind of
look at the Blackman thing, and you know, I had
kept Crystal Monds, for example, on the fifty three man roster.
You could probably play the practice squad elevation game with
him a little bit there and he would take his spot.
So yeah, I'd probably go there. But I mean, outside
of that, you know, barring another trade, I don't think

(05:42):
anything too too surprised. And Jelani Woods, I know, is
a popular name that you know, people like to bring up,
and it's the final year of his rookie contract and
how does that play out at tight end? But I
still think you've got four tight ends above him on
the roster, so yeah, I I nothing too too crazy
for me. Well, it'll be interesting to see.

Speaker 2 (06:01):
How it all breaks out a little bit later on today,
and we'll be watching here's the other thing, James, we'll
be watching the cut names all over the league. And
just as we've learned over the years, just because you
have a fifty three man roster at four o'clock this
afternoon doesn't mean it's what it's going to look like
tomorrow morning at nine am.

Speaker 5 (06:18):
Absolutely, which is so crazy because we all break this
stuff down so detail wise and then it doesn't matter.
It's almost like you turn the test and then it's
like wait a second, with there's some different answers here.
So we'll see if the Colts make any waiver claims.
I'm sorry misspoke there, but yeah, that is certainly a factor, Jeff,
as far as how things shake out, because what we

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see again in a few hours is never going to
be what it's supposed to be.

Speaker 4 (06:42):
And honestly, it changes.

Speaker 5 (06:43):
I would even venture to say a few times after
today as well. So there's gonna be some movement there,
but still some of the bigger names. If a Jelani Woods,
for example, doesn't make the cut, is he a waiver
claim guy for somebody else?

Speaker 4 (06:54):
Something to keep in mind.

Speaker 2 (06:55):
Yeah, and we're all getting ready for a final rosters.
We probably we really won't know everybody in the league's
final roster until probably Monday of next week, right when
the teams really start to prepare for Week one. And
and there was probably gonna be a little bit of movement.
We saw a big movement locally and we'll have more
details coming up in the in the update in the
moment here, but Trey Hendrickson and the Bengals finally got

(07:17):
back together for at least another year.

Speaker 3 (07:19):
Yeah, and you know, again this fell in the category
of continue to be asked about it. Hey, you should
the Colts be involved? You're frozen right now. It was
a franchise now last.

Speaker 5 (07:27):
Year's there's my pushback though, if you were saying you
got to win this year, why don't just go get them?

Speaker 3 (07:34):
Well that's where if I'm carly ersee Gordon, i am.

Speaker 4 (07:36):
If you believe in yourself this much.

Speaker 5 (07:38):
You believe in Dane Jones, Go get a God's gonna
help you make the playoffs.

Speaker 3 (07:41):
Yeah, there's there's level levels of belief and fair enough,
and there are not all the chips being pushed into
the middle of the table. Six round pick for Makai Blackman,
I guess, but you know, anything much higher than that
from a Draft picks standpoint, you couldn't have there. So yeah,
Trey Hendrickson, Terry McLaurin, you know, we saw that as
well yesterday. So it seems like Michael Parsons is the
one to keep.

Speaker 2 (08:01):
That's what you're saying, the Colts to trade for. Okay,
it feels like there's genuine animosity now between Jerah and Micah.
At this point in time, it just feels like they
are really angry with each other.

Speaker 5 (08:11):
Yeah, you know what, Like I said, I watched Land Man.
There's an appearance from Jerry Jones in there, and he
was an much nicer person. I'm thinking that show, and
he's coming off right now as the owner.

Speaker 1 (08:20):
But I honestly, Jack waiting today.

Speaker 4 (08:24):
Great job.

Speaker 5 (08:25):
Mar Bonus is looking at the contracts and reading through
some of this stuff. A few years ago when JT
was going through is US with Jim Irs. It is
hard for a player to gain any leverage, and obviously
for an owner, you probably want to owner to act better,
but he still has full control over his contract and
his future.

Speaker 4 (08:40):
Right now.

Speaker 2 (08:40):
I'm about the rest of you guys. But this this
Cowboys documentary, that's all right now. I can't think of
anything I'm less interested than finding out more about Jerry
Jones and the Dallas capis I just don't care about
act together.

Speaker 3 (08:54):
Yeah, I was talking to a couple of people and
they spoke highly of it.

Speaker 2 (08:57):
I'm sure it's a fine production. I just don't care
about the Dallas Cowboy.

Speaker 4 (09:01):
Is it about the Golden Era?

Speaker 3 (09:04):
I think it's a little bit into Jerry b Why
is Jerry Jerry? I guess it's probably to put it.

Speaker 4 (09:10):
That is quite a question that will take some episodes
to answer.

Speaker 3 (09:12):
Eight episodes, apparently, I haven't we talk about, you know,
Jerry in a similar lay to a guy like Jim Mersay.
If someone pulled out a documentary of Jim Mersey for
eight episodes, I would probably.

Speaker 2 (09:25):
Jim Mercy was at least a decent human being. Dive
deep into that he had his demons, but he was
a good basically man. Jerry's just don't want anymore Jerry Jones.

Speaker 3 (09:35):
About the philanthropic nature of Jerry Jones. Mark did I
miss something here? Tweet here from Mike Wells saying I'm
personally inviting you Kevin out here to Brownsburg when your
Cathedral squad plays Friday, bring the little bowen so they
can check out their future school through that and future

(09:55):
indoor golf hitting bays.

Speaker 4 (09:57):
Oh wow, they get out a ton of money to
read do some stuff. Recently, this Mark.

Speaker 7 (10:02):
At the high school market they built a second football
field just for blanks and giggles up here that I'm like,
is this.

Speaker 3 (10:08):
I amg academy over there?

Speaker 4 (10:11):
The Mark Dunton. Yeah, indoor golf becomes his generous donation.

Speaker 3 (10:15):
This is not like a separate like brick and mortar
someone that's on the high school.

Speaker 7 (10:20):
They've got a second football field that they built with
stands and everything. And then they have which I don't
know if it's practice field of JV on what's going on.
And then they got construction. They've got like a ten
million dollar project going on over there.

Speaker 2 (10:30):
There's construction marketing.

Speaker 3 (10:33):
Yeah, we gotta get to the western suburbs asap here?
Can we move in with you guys?

Speaker 7 (10:39):
Mark, sure you gotta keep your clothes on a little
more than in the studio.

Speaker 3 (10:45):
I'm sure you'd love to throw one more baby into
the mix, right, his.

Speaker 2 (10:48):
Clothes and texts to his wife. That's what you guys
got going on, right, That's right, all right?

Speaker 3 (10:52):
And now I think about it, Mark would probably love
that after he sent Matty those tech.

Speaker 5 (10:58):
This is not such a scumback. This is is a way.

Speaker 2 (11:02):
Have you ever known anything.

Speaker 3 (11:04):
Brings up Jerry Jones, I might bring up Mark Dyson.

Speaker 2 (11:07):
Have you ever known anything James on this show to
be brought up in a personal that you're in real context?
You know what?

Speaker 1 (11:13):
No?

Speaker 8 (11:13):
You know?

Speaker 5 (11:13):
Actually, I don't know if I should be defending Mark
because you have used our audio against us.

Speaker 4 (11:18):
I maybe you got to be out on your own
of this one.

Speaker 2 (11:20):
Brother today and he will again today as a matter
of Oh my goodness, you know how that goes to
that ends and why we got a big show coming
up for you a little bit later on today. We'll
tell you all about it. In just a minute, we've
got the checkdown coming momentarily cut down day for everyone
in the National Football League. Rosters due by four pm.
We'll tell you all about it next as we continue

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at ninety three five and one oh seven five The.

Speaker 9 (11:42):
Fan, The Morning checkdown on Nutty Sweet five and one
oh seven five The Fan.

Speaker 2 (11:51):
Good morning, everyone, Welcome into Tuesday cutdown day in the
National Football League. Everybody has to get down to fifty
three men by four pm Eastern this afternoon noon. The
Colts made a move last night by picking up safety
McKay Blackman from Minnesota Vikings for a twenty twenty six
to sixth round pick. He gonna be able to play.
He was coming off an injury last year. What's the

(12:12):
thinking there? They're just looking for numbers.

Speaker 3 (12:14):
I mean played in the preseason. So I assume he
is healthy and good to go. And I don't see
why you would make this trade if you didn't think
he'd at least be on your fifty three man roster.
Where exactly he fits into the pecking order, we'll see,
I mean, James, I tend to think they've got their
top three corners and it's probably the oldest cornerback room
in the entire NFL. In Chavarious Ward, Kenny Moore and
Xavier Howard and then depth after that. We'll see, but yeah,

(12:38):
it looks like blackman. You don't make the trade unless
you put him on the three man roster.

Speaker 4 (12:42):
So you think Xavion Howard is third cornerback.

Speaker 3 (12:47):
Pretty much every starting rep. When we were out there
last week, you know, he doesn't strike me as a
dude that comes back to pass out water to his teammates.
And I don't think Loui Anarumo gave that impression either,
trust me. I get why you would have a little
bit of doubt, but none of their actions last week
spoke to Xavion Howard fair enough, just all of a
sudden scratching dude's backs.

Speaker 2 (13:05):
All right, Do we feel like they're any surprises coming
JB this afternoon?

Speaker 5 (13:09):
Just keep an eye on Juju Brentant. I think we
talked about that earlier in the show already. But he's
somebody who I still feel confident to make the team.
But hey, you bring another cornerback in, that's always going
to be a conversation. I think Sammy Walmack maybe isn't
a surprise potential cut, but he's somebody else keep an
eye on as well, all.

Speaker 2 (13:26):
Right, We'll turn to the WNBA back at the field
House tonight for the Seattle Storm taking on the Indiana Fever.
Caitlyn Clark not expected to play. She's been out since
July fifteenth, but yesterday Kevin Bowen Nike announced that she
is the newest signature athlete for their brand gets your
Own logo, eventually going to have her own shoe. She
continues to light up the sky as a star even

(13:48):
without playing right now.

Speaker 3 (13:50):
Yeah, I did see that. What would you call that?
At my artistic work is horrific? What would you call it?
Like an interlocking seas there?

Speaker 2 (13:57):
Yeah, with a little smaller C in the middle. Not
a fan of it.

Speaker 3 (14:01):
It didn't no, no, no, I just know nothing. I
mean the logo looks honestly, it looks like old Oakland
Golf Club's logo up there and uh in geist but
uh yeah it looks fine. I mean sure, I'm all
for every time I heard her with Nike, I have
to laugh. When we had her on the show last year,
we were very grateful to have her on the show.
We were sandwiched in between a meeting where she recorded

(14:23):
a video to accept an espe before us and then
after us she had a meeting with twenty people from
Nike's corporate headquarters that had flown in. So I'm thinking, thinking, though,
we had us around the SP's and maybe like the
first renderings of this logo.

Speaker 5 (14:39):
Yeah, so when they announced to see the signature athlete officially,
I was thinking, one, why didn't this happen like immediately?

Speaker 3 (14:46):
I thought.

Speaker 5 (14:46):
I was kind of confused at first, I like, there's
already a thing. And number two, I thought it was
her sneaker release, not just the logo. So hit me
again when the sneakers are out.

Speaker 2 (14:54):
That's pretty big Neil deal. Though, if you're like that
means that means a lot of residual for her down
the road, is what I think.

Speaker 4 (15:00):
I just thought it happened already.

Speaker 5 (15:01):
Honestly, Yeah, I'm okay with the logo.

Speaker 2 (15:04):
It just seems a little busy to me. But what,
like you, I don't know these things, So we'll see
how it all works up. And congratulations to her, yeah
the Fever. Tonight they will be at the Fieldhouse. You
can hear the game live right here at the ninety
three five and one of some five to the Fan
Pregame Show. The Fan Pregame Show with Eddie Garrison comes
your way at six forty five. Other news in National
footballleagu yesterday, just down the road, Troy Hendrickson and the

(15:25):
Bengals come to an agreement on a one year deal.
He'll be making thirty million dollars a year this year.
That's an extra fourteen million from what he was slated
to make. But then he becomes flat out and unrestricted
free agent Kevin at the end of the season. So
this could be a short lived deal for Cincinnats.

Speaker 3 (15:42):
Deadlines spur action and you're seeing that Terry McLaurin yesterday
with what three years close to one hundred millions. Shout
out to Buddy Baker for getting that done there. And
then yes, Troy Trey Hendrickson with quite the significant pay
raise here on a one year deal. So, Michael Parsons,
am I missing anybody else? Is that the big one?

Speaker 2 (16:01):
I think that's the big ones. We're waiting on what
happens with him.

Speaker 6 (16:04):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (16:04):
I don't know if I can stage a hold in
at the athletic and stay employed, so I'll, you know.

Speaker 4 (16:08):
Be happy with my salary.

Speaker 5 (16:10):
I will say I saw people saying that's the trade
interesting deal, you know. Oh, man, Well, he caved, he blinked.
He blinked for another sixteen million dollars or fourteen million
dollars like that is, in my opinion, not the average
blink three times for that exactly. I was thinking, well,
if that's me compromising, that's I will call that a
win in my book.

Speaker 2 (16:29):
But again, I think the big thing for him is
he becomes an unrestricted free agent at the end of
the year.

Speaker 5 (16:34):
Yeah, that they could still tag him, but like you said, Jeff,
if they tagged him, the money will be crazy on
the tag. So yeah, this is probably him getting a
nice raise and also his freedom at the end of
the year.

Speaker 2 (16:44):
Major League Baseball, yesterday Mark's Cubs were off, but the
Los Angeles Dodgers had a day with the Cincinnati Red
seven to nothing. For our team, Kevin Bowen, it did
not go well. They just couldn't get the bats going. Now,
the other day, though, I did you see that highlight
of Ellie Daila Cruz and just effortlessly scoring from first
base on what should have been a single.

Speaker 3 (17:04):
When you've lost me four of five. I don't know
if I can be mesmerized by Ellie right now, Mark,
you might just need the audio. At some point, Tristan
Thompson audio might just apply to the Reds here pretty soon, boy,
very rare, very rare. Where I tell Mark Dyke, tend to,
you know, get some audio ready to absolutely rip my Reds.
But at this point we might be in the back.

Speaker 2 (17:30):
We get we've lost four or five.

Speaker 3 (17:31):
Jeff is talking about a dude running the bases as
the Reds have lost four or five.

Speaker 4 (17:35):
Well, you know he loves Ellie.

Speaker 3 (17:37):
Well it was, uh, it was fun while it lasted.
I'm a little nervous on the old Ellie audio. Let's
not go there again.

Speaker 2 (17:43):
Cardinals beat the Pirates seven to six. The White Sox
shut out the Royals seven to nothing. And got to
mention this one because this guy is just amazing. Cal
Ralely hit his fiftieth home run of the season last year.
He's a catcher for the Shadow Mariners. They beat the
Potteries nine to six. He joined Will He I'm sorry,
Mickey Mantle as the only switch hitters to ever hit

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fifty or more home runs in a Major League Baseball season.
This guy, Mark you, fellow baseball, He's just doing historical
things from the catcher position. It's amazing.

Speaker 7 (18:13):
Yeah, the fact that he's a catcher doing all this
stuff is kind of insane, because the catcher is like
the quarterback of the baseball field. And the fact he's
doing he's first of all, I could never be a
catcher just being squatted down for hours at a time,
no thank you, and then hitting dinger after dinger after that.

Speaker 4 (18:28):
I mean, he's doing incredible for his stats are episode.
I'm looking at it right now.

Speaker 5 (18:31):
One hundred and twenty hits, one hundred and seven RBIs.

Speaker 2 (18:35):
It's in balling right now. The Indianapolis Indians off yesterday.
They'll be at home Victory Field tonight taking on the
Buffalo Bisons at six thirty five. Keep an eye on
that one. We get ready for college football later on
this week, Kevin. I know you're already pacing the floors
ready for Notre Dames opening salvo at Miami coming up
on the thirty first, looking forward to that, and I

(18:57):
know I can't bleep and wait, No, you're ready to go.
Butler is going to play at Northern Iowa. Of course,
Purdue hosting ball State. Indiana starts their preseason schedule with
Old Dominion, and then that's what's happening in college football
around here, looking forward to it. Anything else you guys
want to throw.

Speaker 3 (19:16):
In, Yeah, we went to this yesterday, James. But the
Pacers did indeed bump up Jim Boyl in to the
front of the bench there with that staff, I guess addition,
and Johnny Carpenter was the new name there. He's got
some history at UVA, of course with Carlisle, plenty of
ties there and also ties with Rick I think a
year at Dallas and with the Pacers in a training
camp a few years ago. But spent a lot of

(19:38):
time with Tony Bennett at UVA, former manager, which we've
seen that route.

Speaker 4 (19:42):
I believe you might have coached Jay Huff as well.

Speaker 3 (19:44):
Yes, some background there with Jay Huff, so he will
be behind the bench. And then Jim Boylan, who of
course has coached in the NBA, he will be up
there with Jenny Bossick and Lloyd Pierce. So with Mike
Winer's news that happened on Friday, that will be the
assistant route for Rick Carlisle here coming up this season.

Speaker 2 (20:03):
And looking forward already to a Pacers I know that
the that the hopes are not high given everything that happened,
and Tyree s being out and Miles being gone. I
still think this is a really fun group to watch
and I can't wait to see him overperform people's expectations.

Speaker 5 (20:17):
That's kind of become the Tame Jeff over the last
few years for this team. So if you're looking at
a team in the market right now to believe.

Speaker 2 (20:23):
In, it's that one. All right, take quick time out.
We'll talk more about NFL cutdown Day and the Colts
and some of the things that they may have ahead
of them. Also, I haven't had a chance to talk
to you about a terrific piece you wrote about Anthony
Richardson and the Colts and how it all went sideways.
We'll do that as we continue next. It's ninety three
to five and one on seven five except Britney Spears.

Speaker 4 (20:45):
Hell, yeah it is. Mark said that like it's a
national anthem, like everyone should know. Yes it is. Teenage
Mark Dyke didn't love Britain.

Speaker 3 (20:56):
Music video again.

Speaker 4 (20:57):
Oh my god, best video of all time. She was
the peak of her game. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (21:02):
A long time ago. A buddy of mine, he was
a salesperson. I was supposed to host a suite at
a Britney Spears concert and he got sick, and so
I had to go fill in. I've never felt more.
I was surrounded by like twelve year old girls around
the entire place. I was just like, oh my god,

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I just want to go home and get out of here.
I just stayed for the show, but I just remember thinking,
this is the one place on planet Earth I do
not belong right now.

Speaker 5 (21:38):
So speak for yourself, banger after banger, right, Yeah, I
don't mind Britney Spears.

Speaker 2 (21:44):
I just you know, it was just not my scene,
That's all I'm saying. In the meantime, the scene over
at West fifty sixth will be busy a little bit
later on this afternoon. It's always tough, I know, for
coaches and staff. You bring in a bunch of guys
who've put out their blood, sweat and tears for the
last months, them all the way back to all the workouts,
the OTAs and things like that. I know it's never easy.

(22:05):
Those conversations are probably never fun, and you know, you
try hopefully the a few of these guys might catch
on somewhere else before it's all said and done. But
for a lot of guys, it's tough day. A dream
can go to die today, and that's never fun.

Speaker 3 (22:18):
Sure, Yeah, I mean you're gonna cut what eleven hundred
north of that around the NFL obviously, what sixteen is
a sixteen or seventeen? I forget practice squad spots. That
is a big, big number. And as we've talked about
for the last week, you can make damn good money
on the old practice squad. So that is definitely something
in the NFL has tried to increase really ever since
the COVID season, and they've maintained that here. But yeah, definitely,

(22:40):
you know, you see it played out on hard knocks
a whole lot. Yeah. Never easy to get the call.
You know, a lot of these guys are telling their
families you don't call me whatsoever today, I will call
you because I do not want that call. And unfortunately
for guys fifty two fifty three, you might celebrate a
little bit tonight and then bam, all of a sudden,
the waiverclaim goes through tomorrow by noon and you're off
the roster. So that's always something that there is some

(23:04):
tinkering with the back end of that roster here for
the next handful of days.

Speaker 2 (23:07):
Well, good morning, everyone, Welcome into the fan.

Speaker 1 (23:09):
Morning.

Speaker 6 (23:09):
Show.

Speaker 2 (23:10):
If you're just joining us on the way to work
or getting ready for the day, whatever it happens to be,
we appreciate you being here along with James Boyd, Kevin Bowen,
I'm jeff Rickard, Mark Diyton, and yeah it is cut
down today around around the NFL. But late last night
if you're just joining us, the Colts did bolster again
their cornerback room. They will certainly James have a lot
to choose from before it's all sudden done. Just in

(23:32):
terms of week to week, who's going to be suiting
up for these guys.

Speaker 5 (23:36):
Yeah, I think Kevin laid it out earlier in the
show already. But the top three cornerbacks up here to
Beach Various Ward and Kenny Moore, which are obvious picks
on those two out of the three, and the third
one being Xavin Howard, the former two time All Pro,
but he hasn't playsin twenty twenty three. However, he's getting
first team reps basically his first day here. So those
are the top three. And then they traded for Makay

(23:57):
Blackman of the Minnesota Vikings, a twenty twenty three to
third round pick, missed all of last year due to
a torn acl that he suffered, I believe throughout the
off season, and so he's got something to prove. The
Colts Philly wanted to take a gamble on him, and
looking at his background, Kevin, I wonder if he slots
in more as like a backup slot guy behind Kenny Moore,

(24:18):
in like that nickel position, which in English terms for
those listening, basically means like the cornerback who isn't on
the outside, the shorter cornerback. You know, Kenny Moore is
more like the tweeter cornerback. And so could he be
a backup to Kenny Moore? Or he has some experience
on the outside, could he challenge for an outside spot.
So a lot of questions to be had and hopefully
we get some answers here in a few hours.

Speaker 3 (24:39):
Yeah, when I saw the trade, I thought, yes, I
would agree with you, James. That's that was my first inkling.
And then I was curious too, how much special teams
background does he have? And he really doesn't have any
in the NFL. I think he played two special team
snaps his entire rookie year, and given his height five
to eleven, Yeah, I thought a little bit more of

(25:00):
slot background, but it actually sounds like he is more
of an outside corner. And now we'll see maybe the Colts
think he can play inside a little bit. Nothing like
a nice little Chris Baward Ryan Grigson trade that we
got last night there. But yeah, I mean, I'll go
back to kind of what I said to lead off
the show. I cannot recall a position group in the
history of Chris Boward's nine years as GM of the

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Colts that has gotten this much attention in one offseason.
And again, it's not like you lost anybody of note
from last year. You bring back your top four snap
guys from last season, so former All Pro and Saveria's Ward,
former All Pro and Xavion Howard again, the third round
pick of Justin Wally unfortunately towards ACL and now the

(25:42):
third round pick in Makai Blackman, who you trade a
sixth rounder four. I mean, that is a lot of
new investment, new resources into a cornerback room. So some
more Gus Bradley is raising his hand in the back
of the room saying, did you forget about me?

Speaker 5 (25:59):
I was the GM, he never got this much. I
would criticize them, but yes, I.

Speaker 3 (26:05):
Agree, it's unbelievable how much. And again I say all
of this just to say, man, Louis Arumo, he's got
a loud voice in this personnel, like Xavion Howard is
I mean, the Colts might trot out two starters in
week one purely because Louis Arumo believes they should be
here Xavion Howard and Joe Bachi like that is I mean,

(26:29):
and I'm fine with that. Let me be clear that right,
and I think you should cater to the coordinator that
you have, certainly there, but the first ye're here.

Speaker 4 (26:41):
Man, they are certainly bringing out some bucks in.

Speaker 3 (26:44):
But if you're going to take a one to eighty systematically,
then you know, And so I guess I bring all
that up to say, what does that mean for the
in house guys that weren't drafted by him? What does
that mean for the in house players that did not
join this team in the last handful of months, know,
Jalen Carlis and Juju Brents and you know quit he

(27:04):
pay up front. And again, not all these guys are
in jeopardy of missing the team or anything like that.
But just as you start the roles, yeah, as you
start to yes, define roles you know, years go on.
Assuming that this regime sticks together, those will all be
things to keep an eye on.

Speaker 2 (27:21):
The Other thing, some good news. We've seen Josh Downs
and Nick Cross moving pretty well at practice, and I
think maybe does that indicate they're gonna be ready to
go week one?

Speaker 4 (27:31):
We have not seen them moving at practice.

Speaker 2 (27:33):
I saw a report where they were they were running.

Speaker 5 (27:36):
Yeah, Shane Stichen was saying that there. He's hopeful they'll
be back and getting out back in action peer pretty soon.
So I'll be the last time we were at practice.
Kevin correct me if I'm wrong. We hadn't seen them
on the action I have not the same way. It
sounds like that's the game. But yeah, just to clarify there,
It is a positive sign there, Jeff, because you want
to get those guys healthy for your season opener, mainly

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because Josh Downs led your team and catch last year
and Nick Cross tire for the team high interceptions last year.
So two big key pieces and also some young players
you're hoping to see another step forward from.

Speaker 2 (28:08):
Yeah, So we keep an eye on West fifty sixth
all day long to see if names start trickling out
throughout the days. Does happen in some places, but the
culture usually pretty good about keeping things close to their vest.
They don't leak a lot.

Speaker 3 (28:21):
Over there, do they, Kevin, No, I mean they've Yeah,
they're they're pretty steel trappy when it comes to you know,
anything along that along those lines, and typically they've operated
in a team that announces these roster cuts about as
late as anybody around the league. And we've seen this
already with I don't know, James, it seems like a
good amount of teams have already announced whatever, five, ten,

(28:41):
fifteen cuts, like they've got ahead of a little bit
of this that Colts have not announced anything from a
you know, outright cut.

Speaker 4 (28:48):
Yeah, I will say so. Shout out to Joel A.

Speaker 5 (28:50):
Erickson though Indie Starr, this is his wheelhouse among other things.
I don't want to diminish him to just that, but
he is usually all over these signings, whether it's right
after the draft and they're getting all he's undrafted guys
to right now announcing a few of those. So if
you do want to keep up with what's going on
and kind of have like that minute by minute update,
he's somebody that's good to follow on social media and
also to subscribe and watch his work read his work

(29:12):
over at Indy Starr dot com.

Speaker 3 (29:13):
You get nothing official from the team, is no, but
I'm just saying trust yeah, he's a definitely is always
on it.

Speaker 2 (29:20):
We'll keep an eye on that. Of course. On over
the weekend, the Colts won the Battle of the second
and third teamers over in Cincinnati. Be down anybody there
that maybe made their way on to the fifty three
man roster or at least solidified themselves as a practice
squad player.

Speaker 3 (29:37):
You know, one debate we had yesterday which I think
we got a little clarity on James was wide receiver.
You saw in that game Lacwan Treadwell and coleman Owen,
two very different backgrounds, both were outstanding in that game.
And I think both their guys the Colts really like.
And so a question that I did have is I
didn't think wide receiver had much debate. I think it

(29:58):
was a pretty clear six throughout the offseas Michael Pittman Jr.
Alec Pearce, Josh downs, Ady Mitchell, and then your other two.
I look at Anthony Gould and Doolan, those are your
kick returners. But we did see Ashton Dolan get hurt
in practice last week. Shane Styke can clarified yesterday just
a concussion for Dolan, so something where they expect him
to be back very soon. Because my thought was, all right,

(30:21):
if Doulan has more of a serious injury. Do you
then get into debate of Treadwell versus Owen, which I
mean that is an undrafted free agent and Owen versus
tread Well, a former first round pick who's thirty years old.
They're they're different whiteouts. Owen more of a slot, Treadwell
more of an outside guy. Treadwill actually has played a

(30:43):
decent amount of special teams in his NFL career. But
right now I would look at both of those guys
as practice squad players. You know, there was a little
bit of me that thought, you know, could Owen compete
with Anthony Gould, But I don't think I'm quite there
just yet. From a punt red turn kick return backup
slot to Josh Downs standpoint.

Speaker 2 (31:04):
Yeah, and I know it was the battle of the
second and third teamers, but man, it was fun to
watch the Colts just rack up some points on somebody
at some point, wasn't it.

Speaker 4 (31:11):
Yeah, we were looking up.

Speaker 5 (31:12):
Because to give you all some context, my last story
every preseason is that fifty three man roster projection at
the buzzer of the game. And so yes, I am
watching the game, but not as intently as I usually am.
So every time I would see the horn go off
or I would see them kind of getting in the
red zone, I'm like, man, these guys are putting on
some points.

Speaker 4 (31:29):
And so there was certainly good vibes in that locker
room afterwards.

Speaker 5 (31:32):
I think you heard from Ry Leonard how much it
meant to him to throw his first touchdown pass in
the NFL.

Speaker 4 (31:37):
Had some haters of social media telling me didn't count.

Speaker 5 (31:39):
Yes, it does count because I saw it with my
own eyes, and so that was a cool moment for
him if the game ball gave that touchdown ball rather
to his father for his birthday, which just happened to
be Saturday's game. So it was cool, and I enjoyed
that locker room afterwards. It's always good after win. And
then one quick shout out Dane Scott been through a
lot of injury stuff. You know, I had missed a
year because when Achilles missed another because when a cl

(32:01):
comes back he's healthy, he's a lot to make the
roster for me, Kevin initially, and he gets a pick
six against the Cystanti Bengals and kind of has a
triumphant return moment to the league.

Speaker 3 (32:12):
Yeah, and for me, I you know, I look at
Scott as potentially that third safety, and you know, a
guy that's gonna play a key special teams role for you.
Can I throw a hypothetic value? Of course, better chance
Anthony Richardson is traded today or Kurt Signetti's Hoosiers make

(32:34):
the final four of the college football playoffs.

Speaker 2 (32:36):
A better chance than Anthony Richardson has traded today.

Speaker 4 (32:41):
I'm rolling with AYU you think so? Yeah, in this situation, yeah,
I would go hooing it up.

Speaker 10 (32:46):
I don't.

Speaker 2 (32:47):
I don't think I you.

Speaker 3 (32:48):
I did see a shirt four by the way, when
I was walking flying Bison baby.

Speaker 5 (32:53):
I did see a shirt when I was walking through
the airport actually get my rental car to go to Cincinnati,
and the woman had on a Who's your Mama's shirt?
I thought that was pretty funny. I hadn't seen that before.

Speaker 3 (33:01):
Look.

Speaker 2 (33:01):
I like Kurt Signette. I like what he's doing in Indiana.
I like what they're going. I don't like their preseason schedule.
I think that it's gonna hurt them in a world
where there are a lot of big time preseason football
games that really bolster other people's resumes.

Speaker 5 (33:14):
Do y'all know how much Chris Baller loves Anthony Riffidson.

Speaker 4 (33:18):
He ain't going nowhere. Okay, they love him.

Speaker 2 (33:21):
I think he loved I loved the question, But I
think there's a small chance of either thing.

Speaker 7 (33:26):
I'll take the Hoosiers just because you have a longer
timeline to be wrong. You can be like, I can
wait till December and I'll be wrong.

Speaker 6 (33:31):
Now.

Speaker 4 (33:32):
Well, listen to twenty four hours today, key wrong. Listen
to Kurt Signette.

Speaker 3 (33:36):
You talk about old domeinion yesterday, you would have thought
they got the seventy two Dolphins here in a week one.

Speaker 2 (33:40):
Well Mark, you were saying that the spread was closer
in that game than you expected me to be.

Speaker 3 (33:43):
What was it, Kevin wore we say twenty two or
twenty three, and I don't.

Speaker 7 (33:47):
I don't think it was. I thought it would be
bigger than that. Yeah, I would, I could be said
about a lot. I would agree.

Speaker 2 (33:52):
Yeah, you know, they used that game to get ready
for Kennesaw State.

Speaker 3 (33:55):
It's been said to me quite a few times.

Speaker 2 (33:56):
And I will I will continue to pound on that.
Schedules just drive me nuts again. Wanted to play a
couple of cupcakes early, but throw somebody in there before conference.

Speaker 4 (34:05):
Oh you're not getting it for the next five years.

Speaker 1 (34:07):
I know.

Speaker 4 (34:07):
See that future is still I know.

Speaker 3 (34:10):
I know.

Speaker 2 (34:11):
The other thing I want to talk about I read
it the other day. I thought it was a fantastic
piece that you wrote about everybody being to blame for
where Anthony Richardson sits at this moment in time. Certainly
he takes the majority of the blame for all the
things that we've documented and talked about, But every step
of the way, the general manager, the coach, the quarterback
coach seemed to have stepped left when they needed to

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go right in this situation.

Speaker 5 (34:36):
Yeah, I feel like the only person we have on
records saying that they are to blame at least to
some degree is Chris Ballard. He is on the record saying, yeah,
we shouldn't have started him, we shouldn't have played him. Now,
if you want to put that out there, that's your business.
Kept it to yourself. That's also your business. But at
least he has fallen on the sword a bit. I
think with Say Steichen and Cam Turner to a degree

(34:59):
as well, I have not really answered for why the
development process hasn't gone the way it's supposed to and
practice the question asked Jim Bob Cooter as well. But
for Shane I had to kind of hammer it a
couple times, like what could you have done?

Speaker 10 (35:13):
Though?

Speaker 5 (35:14):
It took three questions to get a non answer, and honestly,
if I read it out loud on air like I
did last week, it wouldn't change anything. None of it
really made sense to me. And then for Cam Turner,
you have him saying, well, you know, we did everything
we could. I did everything that I could. Anthony's worked hard.
The consistency just isn't there. But I'm like, you're supposed
to be the developmental guy. You're supposed to work with

(35:34):
this guy day to day. Why hasn't there been enough
progress going into his third year. I'm not saying it's
all your fault or all his, but to again kind
of just push it all back onto Anthony I think
is a bit disingenuous.

Speaker 3 (35:46):
Yeah, maybe we placed some audio here in a little bit.
I know, we got Jake Arthur talk some roster cuts
coming up. At eight o'clock, we'll begin our college football tour,
if you will, around the state. We'll start in Bloomington
with Zach Osterman in the nine o'clock hour as IU
gets ready for week one here in the second season
of Kurt Signetty. But you know, Shane yesterday asked about
Anthony Richardson. You know, has there been any doubts from

(36:08):
Anthony about his standing within the franchise? And you're judging
like social media reaction is probably a dangerous game to play, James.
But I will say this, I can't recall and obviously
there has been iterations of this, but it's been a while.

(36:30):
And why I bring this up. I can't recall the
last time the Colts fan base was this fed up
with the with their head coach.

Speaker 2 (36:38):
Yeah to the except fed up, you think fed up, pissed,
I I don't know, irritated, it's fed up, right.

Speaker 1 (36:47):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (36:48):
I was gonna say, James, go ahead and push back
or agree or whatever.

Speaker 4 (36:52):
But it's social media.

Speaker 5 (36:55):
I will say that, Like I haven't been out on
the streets to you, but it's a big throng.

Speaker 3 (36:59):
Yeah, and even if talking to people, you know whatever
on the streets are in public, I think people are
generally fed up with and maybe it is the whole
overarching thing of like, well, it's the fact that Ballard's
got a ninth year, and it's the fact that Anthony
Richardson apparently isn't going to work out. You know, maybe
it's all of it, and now Shane just happens to

(37:20):
be spokesperson, But I just think there is a general
you know, you have used the phrase word salad a lot,
and when Shane does speak, oftentimes you walk away from
it being like there was absolutely nothing of con and
I think it's largely intentional. Yeah, it clears, and I
think when you couple that with questionable play on the field,

(37:44):
it's a recipe for the fan base to turn on
you in a hurry. And sure, when he can cure
a lot of it, but I think that's where you're
at here on August twenty six.

Speaker 4 (37:53):
He's a football robot.

Speaker 7 (37:54):
So when he doesn't give any answers and it's all
just like emotionless, like football jargon, you're not going to
gain any sort of sympathy from the fan base they're
gonna be like, okay, enough, like this is just nothing.
This is you're giving us nothing. You're not showing us
you're a human being. You're just reciting football jargon day
in and day out, and we're sick of it.

Speaker 5 (38:12):
And to Mark's point, I think said, by the way, yeah,
that's a great point. Honestly, Mark is probably dealt with
that a lot of that with some of those former
bearss catch last.

Speaker 2 (38:20):
Season Mark, Mark is an expert in that. Yeah, I
was gonna.

Speaker 5 (38:23):
Say last year, you know in Chicago was certainly an
example of that. And then to kind of piggyback off
that Mark, I mean off that point from Mark is
or Mark from Mark, but you're saying nothing and haven't
produced anything, so it's nothing for nothing. As we said
throughout the break, I think I was talking to Mark.
If Bill Belichick says whatever he says for every many years,

(38:45):
people just kind of live with it because he wanted
such a high rate, it didn't matter. When you don't win,
and you also don't have an answer for why you
haven't worked out. That is frustrating for a fan base,
and I think it kind of gas lights them to
to a certain degree because It's like where you're telling
us stuff that we clearly can see isn't the case.
And I think the biggest sources of frustration if I

(39:06):
had to guess, and this isn't me like putting out
some official poll, but just hearing some of the complaints
of my mentions on my story even my own personal belief,
is that there is no plan beyond this season. The
plan is Daniel Jones, but the plan that you told
us and you sold us on was Anthony Richardson, And
like when we are asking questions about what's next for him,

(39:26):
there is no plan. If there was a plan in
that answer that he gave you yesterday, Kevin, I would
like to hear it, because it wasn't in that whatever
many words that was seventy five words he gave that
was just yeah, yeah, yeah, I got to answer something.
Let's get off the zoom call. But that, to me
is the money question going into tomorrow's press conference with
Chris Ballard is what is the plan? And then secondly,

(39:51):
why should anyone believe it because the plans you all
have had.

Speaker 4 (39:54):
Have not worked out.

Speaker 2 (39:56):
Yeah, we'll keep an eye on all of that and
it'll bmhzy how it does play out. But you know what,
you win those first two games and then go and
get a division of game against Jacksonville I'm sorry, against
the Titans in Week three, and people forget all the
things we're talking about today. You know how that works.

Speaker 5 (40:11):
Yeah, But again, like I just said, if you say
nothing and you win, hey, more power to you. But
you can't be the Colds, who are in my opinion,
no longer not even an opinion, it's a fact. They're
no longer the perennial playoff team contender upper quartile. The
Colts that I kind of grew up with as a kid,
this team that I've known throughout most of my adulthood
now as a twenty nine year old, has been bad. Like,

(40:33):
they have not been a good team. They've been irrelevant.
They've been largely irrelevant. And so you can't sit up
there and have these kind of you know, wordless wordy
answers and have not won anything.

Speaker 4 (40:45):
That's the biggest thing.

Speaker 3 (40:46):
And again I think it is largely intentional by Shane Staking.
I think he has always walked into a media climate
not wanting to be super transparent. James think back to
last year. It took him a while to finally offer
transparency on Anthony Richardson's benching. Remember it took about two
weeks before he finally.

Speaker 5 (41:01):
Got I mean to tell me when they put him
back in the lineup, and then he said, oh, by
the way, yeah, here's the process.

Speaker 3 (41:07):
Oh yeah, and that long statement yeah I mean. And
then later in the year and Steve I think reported
on this. The Richardson camp was really disappointed in the
lack of clarity on Richardson's back injury. You know, Shane
talked about the back injury like, you know, me hurting
my back tripping over with my kids toys, whereas Anthony's like, yeah,
I kind of crawled to the door the other day.

(41:29):
Like again, it's just a I think it's largely intentional.
I think it's rooted in, as crazy as it sounds,
of some people competitive advantage disadvantages, which again I know
that that isn't something that totally applies to the Richardson situation,
but I do think that's where it largely comes from here,
and when you aren't winning and you have had inconsistencies

(41:51):
like you've had, it's gonna boil over. But right now,
I just I can't recall the last time there's been
this much pent up frustration and again, fed up apathy,
pissed off everyone to describe it, I think all that
applies right now to where the fan base is at.

Speaker 2 (42:07):
Yeah, and you know, I always say this too, All
that stuff from the outside, we're right to talk about
because it's what we see, it's what we observe, it's
what people say. Really at the end of the day,
it's what's going on between the cults and their leadership
group and Anthony Richardson and what is being communicated privately
as to what we're thinking, how are you feeling those

(42:28):
kinds of things. We're not privy to that, but based
on what we see from the outside, it sure looks
like it's topsy turvy up and down and anything can
change at any moment.

Speaker 5 (42:36):
Absolutely, Again, if we ask you what is the plan
for the guy you drafted fourth overall two years ago,
and you can't give an answer, at least publicly, at
least a glimpse of an answer that is concerning to me,
all right, Like.

Speaker 3 (42:50):
This this tweet here, mik lolol, I'm actually never been
more tired of hearing someone speak more than I am
of Shane like that general thought. I bet I got
one hundred of those yesterday in regards to that specific video.
So that's just the reality I think of where a
lot of Colts fans are at right now.

Speaker 2 (43:08):
Yeah, all right, Coming up in a minute, Jake Arthur
from Lucked on coltsside dot com get his thoughts on
the Colts getting ready to make some cuts a little
bit later on today, the state of the franchise in general.
We'll do it next and we'll start to take a
look at some of your texts throughout the course of
the morning as well. They're coming in fast and furious
at two three, nine, ten seventy, it's all straight ahead
at ninety three five what I was seven five? Good

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morning and thank you for joining us wherever you may be.
If you're up and dance and the meal the music
is moving you like James Boyd love to see it.

Speaker 4 (43:39):
Yeah, that was a little distarby, I believe.

Speaker 5 (43:41):
From Rihanna and Rihanna Yes, yeah, I feel like I
was at a club or rave or something.

Speaker 2 (43:46):
I like that. Little we're talking the morning. Yeah, uh,
we got a lot going on today. We'll be talking
about the Colts all morning long as they get ready
for cutdown day cuts due to the NFL by four
pm this afternoon. We've been talking about that for the
last hour or so. Now we are joined by Jake Arthur,
who covers the Colts at SI dot com. Also you
can hear him un Lockdown Colts just about anywhere you

(44:06):
can download your podcasts, and he is live with us
right now on the Paylosslookers Hotline.

Speaker 1 (44:11):
Good morning, Jake.

Speaker 2 (44:13):
There's a you just gonna be looking and reloading the
Internet all day long, just going to your favorite web
page and just hitting refresh, refresh, refresh.

Speaker 11 (44:21):
That's how it goes on these days, isn't it. That's
especially when the deadlines are always in the afternoon. It's
like you kind of just sit and wait and put
out feelers all day.

Speaker 5 (44:32):
So, Jake, when you look at guys who might be
on the bubble, well, actually let's start here. What are
your thoughts on the Mackay Blackman trade and what that
can mean for some guys in that cornerback room who
may be on the bubble.

Speaker 11 (44:46):
Yeah, I thought that one was interesting. This guy seemed
like he's kind of cut from that same justin Wally
Samuel wollmack Cloth. But the whole group of corners is
kind of influx. You know, Juju Brinston, j Jones just
recently came back, but Jones isn't quite ready for field work. Womack,
of course, had that hamstring last week. It looks like

(45:08):
he was limping around a bit when we saw him
at practice. So I think the riding on the wall
is that at least one of these guys is expected
to be out a little while when the season starts.
But I don't Blackman, I don't think moves the needle
like Xavien Howard does. For example, like Howard already got
penciled in as a starter on their depth start.

Speaker 1 (45:29):
But black Men, you.

Speaker 11 (45:30):
Know, he's coming off in acl last year and hasn't
had the strongest summer for the Vikings. With maybe a
guy who you know, maybe not even going to make
the team.

Speaker 1 (45:39):
Or really kind of scratching and calling.

Speaker 11 (45:41):
For reps there, it feels very much like a Lomac
thing from last year. I'm guessing he's kind of insurance
and maybe along the lines of like a.

Speaker 1 (45:54):
Third or fourth cornerback.

Speaker 11 (45:56):
But what I thought was really interesting with him is
he's not really got a ton of special teams experience,
So I was kind of curious about that if that's
their playing with him, or if he's actually supposed to
get playing time, or what they're going to do there.

Speaker 3 (46:10):
Jack Arthur again, you can find his work locked on
Colts Great, Great, Listen and SI From a written standpoint,
one more on the corner front. You don't believe Juju
Brentz is a cut candidate, do you.

Speaker 1 (46:25):
I don't know.

Speaker 11 (46:25):
You know, either of Samuel Wellmacker or Juju Brents. They
don't feel super safe. But if it was me, I'd
probably be more inclined to go with Juju over Wollmack.

Speaker 1 (46:36):
The problem with Juju obviously.

Speaker 11 (46:37):
He's he's been hurt throughout his first couple of years,
but when he's on the field, he's pretty good. And
I think they've been getting him trying to get him
more reps on special teams to kind of bring even
more valuable value to the team when he's not out
there on defense.

Speaker 1 (46:54):
I would say they would.

Speaker 11 (46:56):
If it's between the two, I would probably lean more
into Juju brent sticking around Womack, you know, with the
injury and it felt like he was kind of battling
for a spot to begin with. I mean, you guys
were there, you saw the injury that cornerback. They you know,
they gave Jonathan Edwards serious naps, They gave Alex Johnson

(47:17):
serious naps.

Speaker 1 (47:18):
Womack was not always.

Speaker 11 (47:20):
A guy that they just immediately threw right in there
to absorb those first team reps when other guys went down.

Speaker 3 (47:26):
How about offensively, pass catcher wasn't too difficult for me?
Feel free to go down the Jelaanni Woods route if you, well,
if you want to running back a little bit more
of a question given the injuries Tyler Goodson and Khalil Herbert,
But what do you view offensively of stuff you're curious
about with cuts?

Speaker 11 (47:44):
Yeah, I think with Goodson and Herbert it's certainly that's
the big question because I.

Speaker 1 (47:49):
Would think they'd only keep three running backs. But you
don't know to what degree these guys are injured.

Speaker 11 (47:55):
Herbert's already been out a couple of weeks, so he,
you know, could be closer returning. When we talked to
Shane yesterday, I couldn't get a great gauge on Goodson, Like,
do you guys feel like he was maybe an early
IRA candidate.

Speaker 1 (48:07):
I mean it.

Speaker 11 (48:08):
Sounded like he was expected to be back within the
first you know, handful of weeks there in the regular season.

Speaker 3 (48:16):
Yeah, I didn't.

Speaker 5 (48:17):
Yeah, so I did speak to Tyler Goods and he
told me dislocated as left elbow, doesn't need surgery and
was hoping to get back early in the season. Now,
I don't know if that means, you know, he's an
ER candidate or not, but he's seen more games as
the cut exactly. But yeah, he seemed optimistic that he
could be out there within the first month of the season.

Speaker 11 (48:35):
Okay, See, I mean, I mean, if they wanted to
play cautious with him, they could certainly throw him on
ir to begin and then have an extra roster spot there.
But then with the pass catchers, yeah, I think we're
all kind of in the same boat where we've got
Warren Moley, Cox, Ogle Tree, and Will Mallory, with Johnny
Woods kind of being the guy on the outside looking in.
I think he kind of accomplished everything he needed to

(48:58):
this summer, but it just wasn't enough to surpass Will Mallory.
And obviously he's you know, Woods has been going with
the twos and threes all summer. Mallory has been with
the ones and twos, so you can kind of obviously
tell what they want there. And he's played a lot
in the preseason as well. If they could get him
onto the practice.

Speaker 1 (49:16):
Squad, they'd be great. But seeing as.

Speaker 11 (49:18):
He was healthy all summer and you know, made some plays,
I've got to imagine another team will probably try and
scoop him off.

Speaker 1 (49:25):
Flavors h Jake.

Speaker 2 (49:28):
This is obviously a roster on defense that's being heavily
influenced by the new defensive coordinator, lou Anaumo. In that light,
something we've talked about, how many linebackers do you see
them even keeping on this roster?

Speaker 1 (49:41):
Yeah, probably not many.

Speaker 11 (49:44):
Definitely fewer than a Gus Bradley defense I would have imagined.
And we've obviously kind of probed them about linebackers throughout
the offseason and they just have not really seemed all
that concerned.

Speaker 1 (49:57):
I think I've got them with five Bachie Franklin, Carlais mcgron,
actually four, I guess. Aloupi is a guy that.

Speaker 11 (50:08):
We obviously thought he was probably going to be competing for,
you know, a third linebacker spot going into the summer,
but they haven't really been given him all that much
they've been feeding really all that stuff to Bachie and
mcgron and really Austin the GK. Carlis has been banged
up as well. We'll see how long he's out. I
don't think they're going to keep that many linebackers. There's

(50:29):
probably almost never going to be more than two on
the field. At the same time, we've seen them be
very willing to use three safeties on the field at once.
It's kind of affected with Hunter Wooler being out for
the year.

Speaker 1 (50:44):
You lose a little.

Speaker 11 (50:44):
Versatility there, But I still think they would be more
apt to use an extra defensive back than they would
be an extra linebacker.

Speaker 5 (50:52):
So, Jake, I believe the last time I saw you, you
were telling me you had some scheduled conflicts and you
might not be able to make Chris Ballace press conference tomorrow.
So now we have you on the show. If you
had to ask him one or two questions in all seriousness,
and I would imagine they will get asked to some
degree from all of us in support of you and
and support of each other, trying to get real answers,
what would those questions be?

Speaker 11 (51:15):
Yeah, I mean, I imagine he's going to spend the
first twenty thirty minutes talking about the quarterback competition, Right, Yeah,
I would just I'm just very curious about the validity
of the quarterback competition because I thought, you know, let's
say you thought Daniel Jones and Anthony Richardson was a
wash going through training camp as far as how the

(51:38):
competition went. You know, Anthony I thought showed some growth.
Now there's obviously still some things he needs to improve,
and it's not like he had an awesome summer, but
it looked largely like he accomplished a lot of things
they wanted him to, and I don't know how much
more he could have proved. So Daniel Jones getting the
nod with you know, the reasoning mostly being that he's

(52:02):
just got this big mental catalog of stuff that he's
acquired over being a veteran, and he's better at the
line and all that.

Speaker 1 (52:09):
Well, how could Anthony.

Speaker 11 (52:11):
Have possibly you know, made up all that ground over
the course of the summer. It just it kind of
I think a lot of people are questioning how valid
the quarterback competition really was.

Speaker 1 (52:21):
Because what more could Anthony have done and done?

Speaker 11 (52:24):
So that's that's definitely one thing I would be curious
about and then you know if if they feel like
they might be playing it safe with Jones, because I mean,
I think you would want Anthony to continue developing if
he was playing so was his baseline of play just
not good enough to be patient for his development throughout

(52:48):
the year, Like do you just think you can get
this high floor with Daniel each week of the season
that's going to be good enough to get you into
the playoffs?

Speaker 1 (52:57):
It's I would just really like to see the look.

Speaker 11 (53:00):
Behind the curtain of what they really think their ceiling
is this year with Jones and Jake.

Speaker 3 (53:05):
Arthur was here SI dot com where can find his
work locked on Colts straight listed him and Zach X
along with Eric Schultzen Allan think it a little bit
as well as they've expanded their coverage.

Speaker 6 (53:15):
Jake.

Speaker 3 (53:15):
Last one for me. I threw this hypothetical with the
guys about a half hour ago. You probably signed a
little bit more in the Notre Dame camp, so I
might change it up a little bit here. Better chance
Anthony Richardson is traded today or Marcus Freeman's Irish win
the national title this year?

Speaker 11 (53:34):
Oof, I would say I would say Irish, You know,
I don't. As much as the Colts seem to be
averse to putting all their eggs into anthony basket, I
don't think they want to trade him either. I think
if they did trade him, it would have to be
a team approaching them with like an awesome offer, because

(53:56):
we've heard from Chris GoGG before he wants to he
wants to honor their side of things and keep guys
in the house, you know, let them live out.

Speaker 1 (54:04):
Their contracts and everything. If he's going to trade.

Speaker 11 (54:07):
Someone, he wants it to be a good situation for
that player. He wants it to be right for the
team as well. He just he's not going to want
to give guys away for nothing. But at the same time,
I think they have kind of honored guy's trade requests before.
I mean, there's been guys who have wanted out before,
and as long as it was reasonable and didn't seem
too toxic, they've honored that. So I still don't really

(54:30):
see Anthony being traded because at the same time, Daniel
Jones hasn't had the best bill of health throughout his career,
so something happens to him suddenly, rightly, Leonard as your quarterback,
so you know, the Irish being on the heels of
a national title appearance and having the best running back
in the nation.

Speaker 1 (54:48):
You know, quarterback situation seems to be looking up. I
like the Irish. Let's say you, Kevin.

Speaker 3 (54:52):
Well, I would agree. Jeff had a very quick audible
groan when I said that hypothetical to you, that your
skepticism and Notre Dame No.

Speaker 2 (55:01):
I felt like we were being warmed up when you
originally asked the question about what Indiana make the final
four this year, and now he's pivoted with you to
another Dame, and I feel like it was a long
play setup by Kevin.

Speaker 3 (55:14):
Is what Jacob is much more than Notre Dame Phantom.
So just trying to play a little bit more to
Jake Arthur of the appreciate that using you, Jake, he's
using you. Yes, Jake, I would I would agree with you.
I I thought you really said the Richardson part very well.
I would agree. Yeah, it might sound weird to some people,
but I don't get the vibe that, like, you know,

(55:35):
this is going to be whatever Kenny pick at, Sam
hal I don't know some of these quarterbacks that have
moved here in the last couple of days. So yes,
I thought that was very well said.

Speaker 1 (55:45):
Well, I appreciate it. I try to speak well for
your guys in the morning.

Speaker 2 (55:50):
I always going to talk to you. And uh, as
I said Jake Arthur locked on colts, you can find
that anywhere podcasts can be found. You can read this
stuff at SI dot com. We appreciate it. A few
minutes of your time this morning. We'll be watching the
wires with you all day long.

Speaker 1 (56:04):
Absolutely, thanks.

Speaker 2 (56:05):
There you go. Nice him to stop by this morning
on a Tuesday morning. And uh, I get the sense
cap morn than anything, you're just excited for for real,
Week one a college football to come, like it's here,
let's go.

Speaker 3 (56:18):
I love college football more than you love the Tour
de France.

Speaker 2 (56:21):
Not true, not possible, not possible.

Speaker 5 (56:25):
Jeff shot that down real quick. We have beefs not
at MARKA is beef this morning. I love both, by
the way, I know, I know, we know.

Speaker 3 (56:32):
I love both. Your wife doesn't want to hear that
who's your favorite kid?

Speaker 4 (56:39):
Oh no, I have a theory about this. I have
a theory about.

Speaker 2 (56:42):
Who's your favorite kid?

Speaker 3 (56:44):
James Boyd.

Speaker 5 (56:46):
So I tell them, well, first of all, when I
walk in the house whenever they see me out something
the best ever happened to them.

Speaker 4 (56:51):
So of course I'm a favorite kid.

Speaker 5 (56:55):
I say this to the twin who lives at you know,
who still lives closer to her parents than than I do.
So I think she's a favorite at the moment. But
I think it's momentary or is that word. I think
that there are certain moments where you fluctuate between which
kids you like more, because I know, raising twins, there
is no way my parents liked both of us equally

(57:15):
all the time. That's the narrative with twins is like, oh,
you gotta love them all equally. I was not always
the best kid. So yeah, that's my theory there.

Speaker 2 (57:24):
Look at that to come up with such your father,
your father of three mark, where are you out.

Speaker 4 (57:29):
On that the ranking has changed daily? Yes, I will
say that with three there's always one that's just the
a hole. That's how it works. There's always one that's
in a bad mood.

Speaker 7 (57:38):
They're just like like, what's going on?

Speaker 2 (57:44):
I mean, you keep giving me old dominion Kennesaus State
in Indiana State and we can have a conversation later on.

Speaker 5 (57:49):
I'm just I'm telling you now, if I have more
than three kids down the line. You all can quote
me on this, Mark, you can clip it now. I
will absolutely have favorites if I have four kids.

Speaker 2 (57:57):
I'm yes, I'm about to every every day when he goes.
You know how some some families have like that chalkboard,
the message board up in the kitchen. Every day, James
is going to have today's rank.

Speaker 3 (58:08):
I'm ranks kidd, one of my kids being an a
hole and zero is what it says.

Speaker 7 (58:15):
It's like you take like the number one ranking and
you just slowly lower it and like you feel the
heart sink, like no.

Speaker 2 (58:20):
So number one. This is what happens though. You're gonna
wake up one morning and you go to the chalkboard
to make your rankings and you go no. You'll see
a message that says, no, Dad, you're the blank.

Speaker 4 (58:33):
That person is getting sleeping on at that point, I mean, hey,
it's pass you are sleeping in the shed.

Speaker 2 (58:40):
Look, it's one of the reasons I do what I do.
I love sports. I've told you a million times. Mark,
You've heard me say it. You give me a championship
competition in just about anything, I'll put down the remote
and watch it.

Speaker 3 (58:50):
I don't know if I can believe you and your
Tour de France love being the same as college football.

Speaker 2 (58:54):
Would you like to check my phone real?

Speaker 4 (58:56):
WHOA, I don't want to know.

Speaker 5 (58:58):
I'm like.

Speaker 3 (59:01):
I was offering it up should to you a couple
of weeks.

Speaker 2 (59:08):
Again, that was on the actual text line. That was
not to my phone, that was public you.

Speaker 4 (59:13):
Know, screenshots.

Speaker 3 (59:15):
I'm a little nervous download and sent to you.

Speaker 2 (59:18):
All right, Mark, we'll figure this all out during the checkdown.

Speaker 9 (59:22):
The morning checkdown on ninety sweet five and one seven
five Bay, we'll get.

Speaker 2 (59:27):
To the college football schedule for the weekend coming up
at a moment. But first cutdown day in the National
Football League. Indianapolis Colts, like everybody else, have until four
pm this afternoon. James, do we see any even mild
surprises today?

Speaker 1 (59:42):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (59:42):
I think the question is throughout our show is just
Juju Brintce. I personally think that he will be on
the fifty three man roster, but as our buddy Jake
Arthur just said from Colts s I, I don't know
if it's like one hundred percent lot. So that's the
name I'm keeping an eye on, and I guess Jelaney
would be another one too, because he's a former third
round pick.

Speaker 2 (01:00:00):
For you, Kevin, she got a keen eye on.

Speaker 3 (01:00:02):
Yeah, I probably echoed both of that. You know, do
we see anything else on the trade front? You know,
last night obviously the Colts traded at six round pick
front corner. We've talked about that. We'll continue to share
some more info there, But.

Speaker 4 (01:00:12):
You bring me Michael Parson's via trade.

Speaker 3 (01:00:16):
Those would be probably the big items that I'm watching for.
Who are the injured reserve candidates to return? And then
as we talk tomorrow morning, you know, are there any
waiver claims? Typically those oftentimes can fall into draft picks
that you liked that you just missed out on in
the draft. You see another team cutting them, and then
you want to try and you know, hey, let's give

(01:00:37):
them an opportunity in our building. There is there any
Kenny Moore's or Jack Doyle's you know lingering around there.

Speaker 2 (01:00:44):
Well, the Colts have not been waiting on that. They've
been using the lower round draft picks all over the place.
Their latest yesterday as a sixth rounder in twenty twenty
six for safety Makai Blackman from the Minnesota Vikings. A
lot of business done this year in the offseason between
the Vikings and the Colts.

Speaker 5 (01:00:58):
James just a little bit there, but certainly a noteworthy move.
Makai Blackman has not played in twenty twenty three, which
was his rookie season, missed all last year with an
acl but he is back healthy. And what does that
mean for the rest of the cornerback room? That is
the question.

Speaker 2 (01:01:14):
All right, We'll keep an eye on that all day long.
Listen live right here at ninety three five one O
SEVENYI fan for the very latest in any NFL and
Colts moves throughout the day.

Speaker 7 (01:01:23):
Tommy DeVito released by the Giants. So Tommy Cutlet's a
free Agent's there you go?

Speaker 3 (01:01:28):
I would r Anthony Richardson and Tommy DeVito and his
agent are calling Indie home.

Speaker 7 (01:01:32):
I guys just said on Twitter, Tommy Cutlets belongs in
New York City that game. That man can't play for
any other city. We would just bring all the Giants, Cord,
get back of the Jets, Get the Jets on the phone.

Speaker 2 (01:01:40):
That's right, WNBA tonight. Caitlin Clark will not be playing tonight.
She hasn't played since the fifteenth of July. But the
Fever will host the Seattle Storm and she is Nike's
newest signature athlete. That means she gets her own logo
soon to be your own shoe, and down the line,
even her own clothing line. Kevin, So good for Caitlin

(01:02:01):
Clark in the absence of actually playing right now because
you've hurt.

Speaker 3 (01:02:05):
What a huge week for the Fever. I mean, I
cannot reiterate that enough. If you look at the standings
right now, the teams right above them, right below them,
they're going to see them all here tonight, Seattle, the Sparks,
and the Valkyries. That's La and Golden State coming up
this weekend as they start a western road trip. If
you go one and two, zero to three something like

(01:02:26):
that this week, then it's not looking great for the playoffs.
But if you're able to continue to beat Seattle, which
they've done this season, and get them out west, then
they could be in good standing here two weeks to go,
two weeks from today the regular season finale.

Speaker 2 (01:02:40):
And across the hawsome news for the Indiana Pacers, Yes, Ken.

Speaker 3 (01:02:43):
Bone, Yeah, they're gonna bump up. Jim Boyl. I think
we talked about this on yesterday's show to the front
of the bench to replace Mike Winer as they're again
kind of front of the bench assistant. So still with
Lloyd Pierce still at Ginny Boussek coming back, and then
it will be Jim Boylan, former head coach here in
the BA. The added Johnny Carpenter to the staff, got
some Virginia ties, got some ties with Rick Carlisle as well,

(01:03:07):
dating back to the Dallas days. So Rick Carlisle will
add Jim Boylan, who I think you saw do halftime
interviews of Jeremiah Johnson this past season, probably always viewed
as in front of the bench assistant. Anyways, now he
will be up there for all eighty two games.

Speaker 2 (01:03:20):
All right, Kevin, your disquality from this question because we
know where your viewing habits are going to be this weekend.
But if you had to choose James for college football
this weekend, are you interested in Purdue Ball State, Notre
Dame at Miami, Indiana hosting old dimission a question or
Butler at Northern I which one? Are you personally interested in?

Speaker 5 (01:03:44):
Ohio State in Texas? But of course it is Notre
Dame in Miami. I mean it has to be.

Speaker 2 (01:03:49):
Lord, did you read off those four games? If he
said anything else, Miami, I have to check us pulse.

Speaker 4 (01:03:54):
I was gonna say yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:03:55):
As the guy who isn't a liver die with college
football person, I will certainly live and die with the
bigger games.

Speaker 4 (01:04:02):
So yes, it has to be a marking matchup for
me to watch.

Speaker 2 (01:04:05):
Todd Meyer is somewhere shaking his fist at the radio
right now. He can't shake the way you guys didn't
say ball State Perdue come.

Speaker 3 (01:04:11):
On, by the way, Shout out to Devin Mockaby, Perdue
running back. He is one of the only notable players
to stay at Purdue for Barry Odom like in a
day and age where everyone transfer portals it and many
of his marquee teammates did that last year. I think
that's a pretty cool story that Devin Mockaby is going
to finish his career with the Boilers and believe he

(01:04:33):
is moving up the charts there in terms of an
all time leading rusher as well. So you don't get
many of those stories in twenty twenty five college athletics,
particularly college football, So shout out to the man from
the Evansville area, Devin Mackaby I love his running style,
all right.

Speaker 2 (01:04:47):
Some major League baseball to tell you about. Yesterday, the
Dodgers beat the Reds seven to nothing, Saint Louis over
the Pirates seven to six, the White Sox shut out
the Royals seven zilch, and Cam Raleigh continues to impress
in the American cal I said, Cam, didn't I cal
Raley fifty home runs. I just it's insane. These are

(01:05:10):
historic numbers. We've never seen this from a catcher before,
and he's only the second switch hitter in Major League
baseball history. They had fifty home runs from both sides
of the place.

Speaker 4 (01:05:19):
He's incredible. Big dumper getting it done.

Speaker 2 (01:05:21):
We gotta work on that nickname, though, don't.

Speaker 4 (01:05:23):
We duck now Man? The way he's balling, he had
the Big Dumper.

Speaker 2 (01:05:28):
Thirty years from now, people are gonna be looked back on,
Oh yeah, the Big Dumper.

Speaker 4 (01:05:32):
Yeah, the greatness of Big Dumper Man.

Speaker 2 (01:05:34):
Fun to watch though. Baseball's actually been fun for me
this year. I kind of fell out alike with it
for a minute. But I've seen a rocket right now.

Speaker 4 (01:05:43):
You're loving it right now.

Speaker 2 (01:05:45):
Well, Actually, at one point when I worked in the Northwest,
I did like when the Mariners had King Griffy Jr.
And Randy Johnson and stuff like that. I was young,
but no, it's always been the Reds. That's always been the.

Speaker 4 (01:05:56):
Was that a young band wagon, Jeff that I'm hearing?

Speaker 2 (01:05:59):
I was there for years as as just out of college,
so I kind of went to the games all the time.

Speaker 7 (01:06:03):
Remember years ago when Rob Low was at the NFL game,
he had the NFL logo on that. Yeah, he just
says the MLB logoba the Reds.

Speaker 2 (01:06:11):
I tell you all the time. Reds were my first
ever Major League Baseball game. They've always been my team.
Are you gonna abandon being a Reds fan?

Speaker 3 (01:06:17):
Are you going to abandon following this team?

Speaker 2 (01:06:19):
Hey? Who was pumping up Ellie de la Cruz in
a loss because he scored from first base?

Speaker 4 (01:06:23):
Razing there?

Speaker 2 (01:06:24):
You were? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:06:26):
Good lord, Okay, not the first time he pumped up
old Ellie. Is it best when your team just like
sees their season die out west so like you don't
really have to watch it? Is that like a is
that a little bit of a Well, at least I'm
not living and dying at you know, eight forty eight
pm with like bullpen pitches at least it's happening while

(01:06:46):
I'm in rem sleep and I just wake up to it.

Speaker 2 (01:06:48):
Do you remember when you were a little kid and
you'd fall asleep early for school and the first thing
you'd ask your dad in the morning is after your team.

Speaker 3 (01:06:53):
Did I remember asking that about the Duke Yukon national
title game? I was stunned when he told me that
Yukon beat Duke Ricky Moore for Yukon.

Speaker 2 (01:07:01):
Did your dad ever mess with you at first just
to kind of get a bad reaction.

Speaker 3 (01:07:05):
I don't think my dad was that that that cruel there.

Speaker 2 (01:07:07):
Oh he wouldn't. He wouldn't go on with it all
day long, but he'd like just to see my reaction.

Speaker 4 (01:07:11):
Yeah, I remember my dad at that age.

Speaker 3 (01:07:13):
It can be an emotional state. Hell, I've been watching
my nephew reactive sports, and man, you never.

Speaker 5 (01:07:19):
Know, y'all know your nephew had to be going through
it through some things this summer with the Pacers. I mean,
my goodness, But I remember my dad stayed up for
the Syracuse Yukon six overtime game years ago, and he
looked so tired the next morning.

Speaker 4 (01:07:33):
But as a.

Speaker 5 (01:07:34):
Sports lover, he was like James I had to see
how it ended. So I went to school refreshed, and
he went to work very tired. But the man has
no regrets and I respect him for it.

Speaker 2 (01:07:43):
That was a lot of fun. I don't my parents.

Speaker 5 (01:07:46):
I will say, Johnny Flynn days back at back in
the day, I will.

Speaker 3 (01:07:49):
Say this door if up on the scores table after
that game.

Speaker 2 (01:07:52):
Yeah, my parents would let me stay up for bigger games. Well, look,
I appreciate that to the cool parents out there. So
the record coming up in a moment. We will continue
to talk about the Colts. I got a lot of
decisions to make later on today. We'll get to the
text line full throated for the first time today at
two three nine ten seventy as we continue the Fan
Morning Show ninety three five one seven five The Thing

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Happy Tuesday. It will be anything but for a number
of potential NFL players throughout the country today as it
is cut down day, and they used to do it
a little bit at a time, but over the years
they've just decided, you know what, you guys, keep as
many people as you want in camp, but everybody's got
to have a fifty three man roster by four pm
on the twenty sixth of August this particular year. And

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so there'll be a lot of guys who don't want
phone calls today. They don't want to knock on their door.
It used to be when you're out at camp, they'd
come knock on your door. Now it's it's your cell phone.
Keep your cell phone handy and ready, And a lot
of guys don't want that. And then the worst, James,
is when you make today's fifty three man roster, but
then because of shuffling and maybe picking up somebody from

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another roster, you go to get to work tomorrow morning
and you find out, yeah, ultimately you didn't make the team.
It's tough.

Speaker 5 (01:09:06):
It is tough, but that is life of an NFL
fringe athlete. So we'll see a lot of guys trying
to chase their dreams today and trying to validate their
dreams today, and we'll see how it all shakes out
here in a few hours.

Speaker 2 (01:09:20):
Let's go to the text line right now, and Brandon
writes in Kevin, just my thoughts on Anthony Richards and
I would not be disappointed if they did did is
that trade today? But I doubt that happens. I think
the cults are going to keep him around as long
as they can. You can call him silly or whatever,
but Riley Leonard showed me the other day really liked

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what he had to offer. I'm not saying he's any
better than Daniel Jones or anything like that, but I
think we could get by with Daniel Jones and Riley Leonard.
What are your thoughts on that?

Speaker 3 (01:09:51):
Oh, get by, it's quite the compliment. Yeah, I don't
see them moving to Anthony and Richardson in an eminent
state by any mean. Maybe I'm dead wrong on that.
I look at Riley Leonard's a guy that continues to
need development. Obviously a really nice half from him the
other day, but I think he's a guy that, you know,
again has to learn how to deliver from the pocket,

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and you know, whether that takes a couple of years,
we'll see, but you know, a nice option. I don't
know if i'd have him necessarily be your backup, and
you know, with Richardson, I don't understand. Maybe what is
the urgency in moving him. I don't I mean, for
Daniel Jones, sitting all of a sudden turned him into
a better player than where he was at in November.
Maybe Anthony Richardson sitting All of a sudden, someone says,

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you know what, I'm kind of intrigued by him. Our
quarterback situation got a little murky as the season moved along.

Speaker 5 (01:10:40):
Well, I guess the pushback will be that Daniel Jones
did ask to be released, and then he joined the Vikings,
and then he sat out the rest of the season, So.

Speaker 3 (01:10:49):
Well, he's gonna sit with New York. New York wasn't
gonna play him because.

Speaker 5 (01:10:51):
The going somewhere where you have an offensive mind or
coach that is more I guess suited to rehab your
image a bit. Because we all know that Kevin O'Connell
has currently looked at as the QB whisper or somebody
who can help revive your career. I'm not saying that
a ton for Daniel Jones, but he did switch teams
with all I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (01:11:09):
Yeah, I just kind of look at it as Daniel
Jones in all likelihoods and not going to start all
seventeen games. So if and when that happens, which I
agree with, I probably rather see Anthony Richardson get one
more crack, Adam and see what happens.

Speaker 2 (01:11:21):
Graham from Avon. We were talking earlier about the fan
base seemingly being disgruntled right now and vocally disgruntled about
the leadership with the Indianapolis Colts, and Graham says, yeah,
definitely ticked off. And I edited that Shane has no
accountability of what he says and just expects us to
believe him when he lies about things like he's going
to be the starter the whole season. Thoughts on that, James.

Speaker 5 (01:11:43):
Yeah, I think there is a certain level of uncertainty
that fans should have about everything that Shane Styken says,
because what he's been saying, at least in the past,
has not held up when push comes to shove.

Speaker 4 (01:11:57):
And I think in the story I put out.

Speaker 5 (01:11:59):
Last week kind of detail on why it isn't just
Anthony's fault story over the athletic, the line that a
lot of people kind of gave me feedback about was
this paragraph I had in there, and I'll just read
it aloud. So this isn't a two week span last
year when Anthony got benched initially for Joe Flacco and
then got reinserted a couple weeks later for Joe Flacco.
So that first week when I asked Shane, hey, do

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you think Ar will ever start again for this franchise,
he says, quote, I can't predict the future. And then
they moved to Joe Flacco, and I believe this might
have been Kevin or somebody else is getting clarity. Hey,
by the way, is Joe Flacco your started for the
rest of the year. And Shane confirms that yes, quote,
he will be our starter going forward, meaning through the
rest of the year. And then when they benched Joe

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Flacco because they lose two games in a row and
they're worse with him than with Anthony Richardson, they go
back to Ar and then Ssichen says, quote, Anthony Richson
is going to be quote our franchise quarterback. Those are
three wildly different statements, all made within fourteen days. So
if people don't believe what you say now, they have

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no reason to because what you said then has never
held up. That's my biggest issue, which Sam's thyking, is
why would anyone believe in a plan that you give.
Whatever plan you gave, you've never stuck to it. And
then on top of that, my biggest issue, on top
of him, just the talking and all that is one thing.
But how the development affects the player, or better a

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plan you have effects the player is another thing. And
again you said, Anthony Richardson is not ready to start.
He needs to go to the bench after the TapouT.
He's got a lot going on. He needs to chill out.
And then you stunk for two games. You fell below
five hundred two games, and then you were like, you
know what, wait a second, even if with all his flaws,
his preparation goes, it's not where I wanted to be,

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he's still better than the other guys. Let's go back
to him. What does that mean? You told us he
had to sit And then again I think it was
you me everyone. How much can it God change in
two weeks? News flash, you probably can't. So that's the
biggest thing with Shane, is you kind of flip flopping.

Speaker 3 (01:14:01):
Yeah, and maybe on the side we can play this,
you know stichen audio in regards to Richardson. But you know,
I go back to the combine James, and you know
he mentioned like, you know, he's learned, Shane, this is
learning from some of the mistakes of like, I need
to set the standard more clear, reiterating the standard over

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and over again, you know, not saying at the start
of training camp, at the start of the season and
just hoping that like that's going to be there throughout
the season, because clearly last year his messaging behind the
scenes ran into issues.

Speaker 2 (01:14:37):
And at the end of the day, that's what truly matters.

Speaker 3 (01:14:39):
You know, we bring up obviously Belichick and sure your
messaging in public is one thing, but when you're messaging
behind the scenes, which he admitted had issues last season,
then that's where the problem comes into play. And with
Richardson specifically his team, you know, according to Stephen Holder,
has had some frustrated moment moments with the organization and

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what the public messaging has been of their player there
and again I largely think it's you know, some form
of competitive advantage and or I'm not gonna say anything
because I'm going to protect you know, the player at
all costs. But at times I think when you don't
offer transparency, it then doesn't protect him. Ie talking about
Anthony's back last year like it was just some casual

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thing when it ended up costing him multiple games, And honestly,
you can probably look at that back and say that
might have been you know, one of the bigger nails
in the coffin of like, here's just one more thing
after he had shown some better football there the Jets
the Patriots game in the latter stages of the season.

Speaker 2 (01:15:37):
All right, coming up in a moment, we'll hear from
Shane Stiken. What did he have to say yesterday? How's
it all fold in to what we've been talking about
and what the quarterback situation looks like? Down the road
it comes to you, wed X, it's ninety three five
one oh seven five. Well, I'm going to cut down
day here in the National Football League. Got ninety three
five one oh seveny five the fan. We won't have
definitive answers until later on this afternoon on what the
fifty to three man roster looks like at the end

(01:15:59):
of the day. It'll probably change the next couple of
days as well, but we'll keep you up to date
on it all day long us here until ten, any
big moves will be covered by ESPN, and then of
course at noon it'll be Jake Query and three to
six it'll be John Michael Vincent or JMV as you
like to call him. J D from Colorado on the
text line at two three nine ten seventy says Shane
clearly had an impact on quarterbacks when he was in OC.

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As a head coach, he has no time to develop
a quarterback Ballard, Please hire a competent quarterback guru for
this team. J D and Colorado says that.

Speaker 3 (01:16:30):
Kevin, Yeah, I mean, I think there's a lot of
debate about the offensive staff, and you know he opted
for continuity with that group. And yeah, I know I've
brought this up before, but you know, you go back
to Andrew Luck and think about the college career of
Andrew Luck and Chuck McGonnell had Bruce Aria and Kly Christiansen.
That was quite the OC and quarterbacks coach for Andrew Luck.

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That is not the resume of Jim, Bob Kouter and
Cam Turner. So you know, I know Shane as a
head coach certainly is much more offensive minded than Chuck Pagano.
But yeah, I found that interesting. That was a storyline
for me early in the offseason. Would you change the
offensive staff? Did you feel like the voices needed to
change around Anthony Richardson at all? They opted for no

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on that front, and you know, obviously it hasn't played
out very well.

Speaker 2 (01:17:18):
Let's go to the phone lines at two through nine,
ten seventy. Bobby's been hanging on for a minute. Thanks
Bobby for waiting your term, but we appreciate you being there.
What's on your mind this morning?

Speaker 12 (01:17:27):
Well, thanks for taking my call first off, But I
was just wondering We've seen it in the past, whether
it be Brian Lee, some of the quarterbacks lately, deer
lately that are signing multi million dollar contracts stay out college,
and I'm just wondering about maturity on these guys. Is
Anthony Richardson turns out and he's I got a million

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dollars multi million dollars in my pocket, And I just
think it's takes a very very special person to be
able to say, Yeah, I've got this multi million dollar
contract in my pocket, and I'm a millionaire, never have
to work to get in the rest of my life.
But I just think it takes a very special person
to be able to still have the work ethic and
the maturity and turn around and go out there and say, hey,

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I want to be a best Mana's got all the
chalent to physical chalent in the world, but does he
have the is it a million dollar body in his
five set brain.

Speaker 4 (01:18:22):
So I'll take this one. I see where Bobby's coming from.

Speaker 5 (01:18:28):
But I think the thing that we always kind of
leave out of the equation is number one, he was
twenty when he is going through the draft process, got
drafted at twenty one. Yes, he got a ton of money,
life changing money. Thirty four million dollars full of guaranteed
will change anybody's life. However, I think back to you
were twenty one, and if you did everything correctly, and yeah,

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you might say, well, if I was in those shoes,
well you're not.

Speaker 4 (01:18:51):
A lot of us aren't.

Speaker 5 (01:18:52):
So the world that we're trying to put ourselves into
is just one we can't really relate to at all.
But I think for Anthony to kind of clear this up,
he has his pitfalls, He's made his mistakes, and I
have laid all of that out. I think the majority
of why he hasn't worked out it is obviously on
him as the player. But I think some of his
pitfalls Kevin, and we've talked about this, I've talked about

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it on the record. All there to go people is naivety.
It's not apathy like he goes into places, and he
just doesn't care to work hard, or doesn't care to
become a better quarterback, doesn't care to be the best
player he can be for his team. A lot of
it just growing up, he didn't know how to be
a professional. And that is, in my opinion, where the
Coat's scouting department, I'm sorry, the Colts scouting department.

Speaker 4 (01:19:38):
How do you not see that?

Speaker 5 (01:19:40):
How do you not foresee that and go after that
and address that a lot earlier? Because again, when you
get to the point we have to bench a guy
because he isn't working hard enough, that isn't the first
time you've told him that, So how didn't you get
through to him? But again, I think it's naivity more
than him not caring or him being arrogant.

Speaker 3 (01:19:57):
Yeah, Bobby, thank you for the call. Yeah. I think
I think there's a lot of truth in what Bobby
is thinking or asking about. Sure, and so much of it.
I do think James comes back to the evaluation point
of Anthony Richardson in college. And yes, you are projecting
a little bit, but this is why you have area scouts.

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This is why you have people that sift through every
single bounce, investigative of background, material on these players. Yes,
that's the exact way to describe it. And yeah, you
again are still projecting a little bit. Hey what will
millions of dollars do to this guy? And he did
grow up in a climate where I think there are
many more people around him that are gravitating towards that

(01:20:41):
millions of dollars that it's harder for him to kind
of keep them away a little bit here, and a
lot of people moved up from Florida with him, and
that's a good thing, and also it can be potentially
a bad thing from that. So this just again gets
back to the evaluation part of Richardson and projecting him,
and I think the cults were too Frankly, I just
think they were too lackadaisical in that process, thinking that yeah,

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it'll work out, we'll have the right culture for him
and he'll settle in nicely. And it's like, well, you
better be right on this because it's quite the big
risk on the field and off the field, and it's
a massive, massive investment. And I just think it was
a misevaluation. Dating back to that twenty twenty three NFL draft, I.

Speaker 2 (01:21:24):
Was having this conversation with someone over the weekend. I've
always felt this way about quarterbacks too, and whether it's
Peyton Manning who's the ultimate example of it, we saw
Tom Brady. I think Patrick Mahomes is like this, Joe Burrow,
so many of the really really good quarterbacks and even
some guys that aren't that talented but end up making
long careers in the NFL because of this thing. I'm
about to talk about one thing I want in an

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NFL quarterback if he's my quarterback, Like he's obsessed with
being an NFL quarterback all day long, everything about him.
He's getting his body ready, he's looking at more film,
you know that when he's going to sleep at night,
he's going on over plays in his head, Like, Okay,
I know I watched all this film today, but what
if that outside linebacker, for no reason at all, does

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this instead? What's the wide receiver going to do to
adjust to that? And when that happens, what am I
going to do if the blitz is coming? There are
guys who are just obsessive about everything that has to
do with being an NFL quarterback. I think to be
successful at any level, whether you're ultra talented like a
Peyton Manning or a Patrick Mahomes or you're a rock

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party that's getting every lance, last ounce out of your
ability to play in the National Football League. Those are
the kind of guys to me that's just like their
entire lives are built around being quarterback in the NFL
and nothing else even comes close.

Speaker 3 (01:22:41):
Yeah, I think what makes the draft selection head scratching
looking back on it is Shane Stiken pretty much said
that in what was the dominant trait he wanted in
a quarterback? You think about it, Jalen Hurts, justin Herbert
Philip rivers different shapes and sizes, different styles of quarterback,
all three of them. But the common thread, according to
with all three of them is and again an obsession

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to play that position. And then if you look at
Chris Ballard's comments in regards to real the quarterback play
in general, he's often said, you know, at some point
you have to deliver from the pocket, basically saying at
some point you've got to become a pinpoint accuracy type
of guy. Your legs get cut off if you will.
Lamar Jackson is probably the poster child of it. For
as great of a runner as Lamar is, he does

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not get anywhere near the credit that he deserves as
a thrower of the football and can win games from
the pocket, and yet the player the cold drafted Richardson
that those are two of the bigger questions about him
coming out of Florida is what you know? Are you
married to the craft to the degree that you feel
is necessary? And can you deliver from the pocket? So

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you could honestly do with thirty for thirty and probably
a week long summer series on Anthony Richardson and what
went wrong? And there are many pieces to that pie there,
but that aspect was always a bit confusing to me.
And you know I again, I know I said this
back in twenty twenty three. That's why I was such
a big believer. If you do anything and everything to

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get up to that first overall pick, you want to
be the one choosing from the quarterbacks, not having the
quarterbacks left on the shelf for you. Would it have
cost a lot, Yes, but it wouldn't have cost as
much to move from four to one as it did
for Carolina to move nine to one. And then you're
up there and you're saying, all right, now, let's look
at CJ. Stroud. Now, let's look at Bryce Young obviously,
let's look at Richardson, Let's look at you know, Levis,

(01:24:29):
all these quarterbacks there and see what happens.

Speaker 2 (01:24:32):
So what if they go nine to eight this year
and Daniel Jones is okay and it's a one year deal,
and Anthony Richardson sits and learns and matures because he's
still really young, do we start all over with him
again in the off season this coming year?

Speaker 5 (01:24:48):
Joe, I wouldn't And if they were trying to pitch
dot Osella to this fan base, they wouldn't buy it.
Why would you no? See I'm serious, I mean in
feel free to answer, like, why would you know?

Speaker 2 (01:25:00):
For the reasons you laid out in that terrific article
you roll over the weekend, it just has been flip flop,
topsy turvy the entire way.

Speaker 5 (01:25:06):
Yeah, And if Daniel Jones is the guy that got
you to nine and eight, and if you make the
playoffs with Daniel Jones, that's the guy you should be
talking to about being your quarterback. I'm not saying that
I would be gung ho about it, but yeah, like
playing it, Daniel Jones, him playing well enough to get
you a winning record, possibly into the playoffs and then
pivoting back to the guy you benched for a second time. No,
that would make no sense in the world to me.

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And I don't care what they tell me about whatever
development plan they have. That to me is the part
where I just can't get with it. What development plan
in they might be able to really believe what they're
trying to sell us, but historically it just never works
that way with a guy who is your own guy.
When you draft a guy and you bench him twice,
and I guess to the second time it was open

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to competition, so technically not a benching he went back
to the bench. Whatevertheless, semantics acide, what are you actually
talking about?

Speaker 3 (01:25:56):
Yeah, I will probably just say that sign me up
for the twenty twenty six draft and see what happens
ic quarterback if that hypothetical plays out. Jeff, Again, I've
said this endlessly, but this day and age in the AFC,
those band aids, it's like jumping in the pool at
the band aid on.

Speaker 2 (01:26:14):
Yeah, Patrick Mahomes that, Josh Allen, Joe Burrow, good.

Speaker 3 (01:26:16):
Look, those ain't band aids, and they're young, they're not
by the one anywhere.

Speaker 2 (01:26:21):
Maybe the best of all them, Lamar Jackson, and the.

Speaker 3 (01:26:24):
Last Like again, yes, you have your four that have
made the final four each of the last two years
in Stroud and Lamar and Josh Allen, him Holmes. But
still you have a Herbert, you have a Burrough you.
I mean, it's kind of wild you get into this
Miami thing here in week one. It's amazing how different
their record is with TUA and without I mean with

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Tua they are like a legit playoff I mean, hell,
they made the playoffs twice in Mike mc daniel's first
two years. If you're New England right now, you feel
pretty good about Drake May obviously had a long ways
to go, but again, the depth of this conference, you
gotta go find one of those guys. And that's main
screams twenty twenty six drafts, given everything that I have
in front of me right here on August twenty sixth.

Speaker 2 (01:27:07):
All right, we'll talk to Zach Ostaman about all this
coming up in just a moment here as we continue
taking your texts and phone calls. At two three, nine,
ten seventy it's NFL cutdown day here on the fan.
Been talking about the Colts all morning along here on
the Fan Morning Show with Kevin Bowen, James Boyd, jeff Rickord,
Mark dyked in on the ones and twos once again,
just slamming it on the on the tunes today.

Speaker 7 (01:27:28):
This is a video that came on MTV on TRL
or something, and like, I'd have to change the channel.

Speaker 2 (01:27:32):
My parents walk da.

Speaker 3 (01:27:34):
This is the kids marked or era.

Speaker 5 (01:27:37):
Oh my god, I do feel like kids missed out
on a good era when you.

Speaker 4 (01:27:40):
Had good Lord music channels. Yes, play the music videos
all day?

Speaker 2 (01:27:44):
Yes?

Speaker 3 (01:27:45):
Is that your theme for today?

Speaker 10 (01:27:46):
Mark?

Speaker 3 (01:27:46):
Just like teenage music videos.

Speaker 4 (01:27:49):
I'm just going with like ladies that put out good music.

Speaker 3 (01:27:52):
There we go.

Speaker 4 (01:27:53):
So yeah, Extina, well, good Lord. I had to change
that channel.

Speaker 2 (01:27:57):
Mighty car.

Speaker 5 (01:27:58):
I need a shirt that says good Lord. A little
you know, Dash says by Mark.

Speaker 4 (01:28:03):
My mom would be like, what are you watching? Like
just music videos? Mom? What is this?

Speaker 6 (01:28:07):
Hey?

Speaker 4 (01:28:08):
If Marx says good Lord, Christina do her thing. I
can't help that. She's all in water. What's happening here?

Speaker 1 (01:28:13):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (01:28:13):
Well, if Mark says good Lord, the Lord is I'm
expanding my musical taste.

Speaker 1 (01:28:17):
Mom.

Speaker 2 (01:28:19):
In the other room. I'm busy. Later on the night
storm taking on the Fever over at the Fieldhouse. You'll
hear that game live at six forty five with the
fan pregame show. Eddie Garrison and John Nolan has the
play by play at seven. If you're going to the game,
enjoy it. The Fever Nita win once again without Caitlin Clark,
who's been unable to play because of injuries since the
fifteenth of July. More on that coming up at a minute.

(01:28:40):
It is cut down day in the NFL. We'll be
keeping a close eye on the Colts. We've been talking
about the Anthony Richardson situation and folks have been chiming
in on the text line all morning long. Cody writes
his take watch the manning cast. Peyton's on his couch
and still lives and dies with every play. You can
see and feel his love for the game with every
play through the screen. He's retired and just watching AR

(01:29:04):
doesn't seem to have that passion when he's on the
field and probably in meetings, obviously, Peyton is one of one.
Even comparing AR to a guy on the rosters, like
comparing him to Riley Leonard, he gets and I wonder
if that's part of it too, especially a guy with
so much inexperience at the position, maybe he could make
up with it with just a burning desire to twenty

(01:29:24):
four hours a day, every second of the day, try
to figure out a way to be better and smarter
about it. And from the outside, it doesn't appear like
that is necessarily the case. Is that fair? Maybe he's
already been sat down because of that once.

Speaker 5 (01:29:39):
Yeah, But I would say, and Kevin, you can speak
to this at every turn this summer, Shane has said
he has been doing those things as far as the
working hard and going over tape and if you want
to get to the audio that he kind of gave
you yesterday when you're asking how he feels about his
place in the franchise, Shane mentioned a lot of those
things that apparently ar has been approaching the right way

(01:30:04):
for the last holver many months. And so I don't
know if that's necessarily a fair statement to how to
assess him. Now Here's my question is how he used
to be.

Speaker 2 (01:30:13):
Is that a conscious decision for him which is important
or just an organic need passion to do you see
the difference?

Speaker 5 (01:30:23):
Yeah, I don't know. I would have to ask Anthony
richardson that question. I mean it's hard to it's always
hard to get into the player's psyche and like their
makeup because I don't really care which one it is.

Speaker 4 (01:30:33):
Just do it.

Speaker 3 (01:30:34):
Yeah, we got Zach Ostman joined here in a few
so I don't think we've got time necessarily to get
even deeper into the conversation with the audio for those
I know, we've hit the richardson topic a lot here
in the last half hours, so if you're just joining us.
The Colts didn't make a trade late last night. Mackai
Blackman a corner that they have added here from the
Minnesota Vikings. It was a sixth round pick they sent

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the Vikings there torn acl a first day of training
camp last year, so former third round pick twenty twenty
three played about half Minnesota snaps as a rookie. Did
play in this year's preseason, but a five to eleven corner,
so once again, size not really a big requirement for
Louis Arumo. Sounds like can definitely play outside. Don't know

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how much slot background there is, but can go back
to a conversation we had earlier in the show. I've
never seen a ballad position group add more in an
off season without departures. They're bringing back their top four
corners from last year, Kenny Moore, Jalen Jones, Samuel Wellmack
crys La Monds, even Juju Brents played a little bit.
And then if you look at what they've added former

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All Approachavarius Ward, former All Pro, and Xavier Howard, I know,
justin Wally Towards acl that's a third round pick, and
then Blackman a former third rounder. So now not all
these guys are exactly you know right there. Obviously Howard
didn't play football last year. Blackman didn't play football last year.
So they've got a lot to prove. But just in
general strictly resumes, I cannot recall any position group ever

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seen this much investment in one offseason.

Speaker 2 (01:32:09):
Well that's uh lu an Arumo probably talking, as you
pointed out, And you know, fewer linebackers, more secondary guys,
a lot of dime, a lot of nickel, and you
just got to get pressure on the quarterback to make
it all work. At the end of the day. It's
great to have all those guys, but how many sacks
they end up getting this year, That's how many pressures
do they end up having? To me that's just as
key as everything else.

Speaker 4 (01:32:30):
Number one past defense in the preseason.

Speaker 2 (01:32:32):
Right, Yeah, I'll take it. Zach Ostraman joins us. Now
you're laughing.

Speaker 3 (01:32:37):
I was serious, but I'm laughing.

Speaker 2 (01:32:40):
Yes, I'm laughing with you, not at you.

Speaker 4 (01:32:42):
No, I'm laughing at you.

Speaker 2 (01:32:43):
Oh wow, Zach, are you laughing this morning? How are
things going for you?

Speaker 1 (01:32:49):
You got them laughing?

Speaker 2 (01:32:50):
But I can't complain, Zach Ostraman joins us. On the
Payless Liquors Hotline cut down Day, any any thing that
you think could be a surprise before it's all sudden done.

Speaker 10 (01:33:03):
Uh, you know, I probably haven't followed it closely enough
to be honest.

Speaker 1 (01:33:07):
I mean from the cutting down.

Speaker 10 (01:33:11):
Yeah, the cutting down in my sport happens in the
winter for the most part.

Speaker 3 (01:33:17):
Now there's actually a lot of cuts. College athletic Zach
Osmin from The Indie Star. Obviously, I you they're gonna
get ready here Old Dominion coming up this weekend, game
one of year two of the Signetti era. Let's just
start with the Kurt Signetti personality, Zach. Obviously this year
or last year at this time, you know, he went
above and beyond from a talking standpoint, How would you

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compare the Signetti bravado lead into year one to what
we've heard from him in those media sessions here leading
into year two on the same meter or maybe not
as full throttle.

Speaker 1 (01:33:50):
Yeah, I mean I've writen about Yes, I think other
people have to.

Speaker 10 (01:33:54):
I think he's listen. There's there's an element to Signetti
that that's just his personality, Like he not afraid to
speak his mind, and he's you know, he's confident, and
he's willing to be sort of publicly confident. But I
I don't know that he feels that he's kind of
got to you know, stir the pot to get it
to boil this year the way that he did a

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year ago when he talked about you know, especially in
the preseason, and of course some of what he says
happens during the season, but a lot more of that,
if you really think back to his first twelve months,
happens before the season starts, in terms of you know,
maybe just trying to kind of get his his team
on side a little bit more than that I can
get his fan base on side, get his fan based

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kind of gended up, and you know, really sort of
you know, kind of believing in the project and the
and the you know, the process and all those different
kinds of things. You know, maybe he gets his wings
clipped a little bit with what he says on game
day before the Notre Dame game. But then the flip
side is he also comes out after that game and says, hey,
listen to better team one. You know, we got beat

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good today. That that, you know, he's not afraid to
own basically when when it goes against him as well,
I think I think more of it is just him
knowing or him having the confidence that his rosters, certainly,
but maybe even more than that, Like his fan base
is his booster base, you know, his athletics department, all

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those sort of constituencies nobody needs convinced anymore, nobody needs,
you know, kind of sparks to life in the same
way because everybody can see what if they buy into
use the cliche the process, what the result.

Speaker 2 (01:35:32):
Is, Zach.

Speaker 5 (01:35:33):
Obviously, as you've laid out and in a terrifect piece,
I'm sorry. In the Indie Star, the title of it
being Indian football's monticipated season shows historic support. Yet who
just haven't changed. One thing that has changed is the
quarterback position Fernando Mendoz is now QB one. How much
pressure do you think is on this guy to deliver?

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And also just how good is he because he has
got some NFL rumblings.

Speaker 10 (01:36:00):
Yeah, I mean, listen, there's certainly pressure to deliver if
you consider what Indiana got out of the quarterback position
a season ago.

Speaker 1 (01:36:09):
But I think that not that.

Speaker 10 (01:36:11):
Signetty's the ultimate qv whisper. But if you look at
his recent history, I mean his last four at least
his last four quarterbacks. I don't know if I can
go all the way back to his SCSJMU days, but
his last four quarterbacks involving transfers, and the first three
were all conference. You know, Toddson Tao was I think
Toddson Tao was Conference player of the year. Jordan McLoud

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was Conference Player of the Year. Of course, Rourke didn't
quite get there last year, but he was second team
All Big Ten and he was, you know, certainly considered
one of the best quarterbacks in the Big Ten, if
not in college football last season. And then you take
Trenanamndza to your point, he comes in with some NFL buzz.
I know there are some things that you know pargicularly

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about the way he delivers the ball. The NFL scouts like,
I mean, he's the guy that threw the three thousand
yards last season, and that was in front of an
offense line that allowed forty one sacks. So you know,
you don't it's never that simple, but there is at
least a some element of imagine what he'll do in
front of a better offensive line, maybe with a little

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bit more depth at the skill positions as well.

Speaker 1 (01:37:17):
I think there's there's.

Speaker 10 (01:37:18):
A lot of belief both in Mendoza and then also
in the process that Kurt Signetti Mike Shanahan, who's been
his offensive coordinator for several years now, have to take
their offense and take whatever the you know, sort of
the the underlying principles of how they get the ball
of the perimeter, you know, RPO situations, things like that,
and fit them to a different every different quarterback strengths.

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Because if you go back and look like Jordan McLoud
was a lot more mobile than Curtis Rourke. Of course
we had no idea Rourke was playing on a torn
acl through most of last season. But the point is
that's two different quarterbacks, that's two different ways of getting
offense moving down the field and in the end zone,
and the ultimate result is very very similar. I think there's,

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like I said, belief in Mendoza and some of the
things that maybe he'll be able to again, particularly from
a mobility perspective that Indiana just wasn't comfortable to it
for work last season. But I also think that there's
there's also just leaf in the process that leads Indiana
to be able to put quarterbacks in really good positions
to succeed.

Speaker 2 (01:38:21):
Zach Ostman, the Indie Star, joining us here talking about
some college football Indiana. You wrote earlier, I guess last
week that Indiana has become a straw man in the
Cold War over scheduling and the future of the playoff
to its own detriment. Could you expand on that for
us please?

Speaker 1 (01:38:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 10 (01:38:37):
I mean, basically, Indiana has become and this was kind
of recycled back into the news, and I don't know
how much more we need to hear about it at
this DIAF from the SEC side, but I grewubbed done
there and they don't let things easily in the South sometimes,
and it kind of got recycled back into the news
when the SEC announced it was going to move to

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nine conference games, and essentially Indiana has kind of become
and this season maybe goes back to last season.

Speaker 1 (01:39:11):
That critics of the way the playoff is currently.

Speaker 10 (01:39:20):
Want to sort of point Indiana say, well, look at him,
play anybody a nine when SEC team is better, the
SEC's mass that it is better, the SEC's process is better.
These are obviously unwinnable arguments because there is no perfect
way to sort of solve them, but Indiana has kind
of become the easy punching bag. And then of course

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that spends forward this summer into the debates of that
Indiana's non conference scheduling philosophy cursing and he said, he
says it SEC media or bigg and media.

Speaker 1 (01:39:50):
He gives a lot of people down South riled up.

Speaker 10 (01:39:54):
And the point I was trying to make is essentially
Indiana doesn't have to go on so extreme pr offensive here,
but it does need to recognize that where in the
playoff conversation. And I don't think it's unfair for Indiana
to see itself as a playoff contender. They were literally
the playoff last year until they get far away from that,

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until they get you know, until their cod starts proving
he can't hack it at that level, which is something
Signetti has roundly sort of disproven across the course of
his career. Indiana has got to think in those terms
and with those ambitions, and if they're going to do that,
they've got to recognize that fair or not perception in
college athletics is the thing. And Ohio State or Michigan's

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going to get a pass that Indiana isn't. And certainly
Georgia for example, which I believe plays in the non
conference Charlotte Austin p and I'm struggling to remember the
third team that isn't Georgia Tech. You know, certainly the
kind of Indiana is not going to get the that
a George is gonna get or you know, at Ole
miss or whoever. And so the point I was trying

(01:41:06):
to make is just Indiana kind of needs to start
fighting its owner a little bit more on this unless
you know, some of that is solved naturally, particularly if
particularly just once the game start, because so much of
it is just like we're all desperate for college football
and we don't have any yet, and so we're looking
for something to talk about. We're looking for something to,
you know, something to sort of satisfy that appetite. But

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if you're Indiana, you know, let's say Indiana gets to
selection Sunday in December ten and two and there's an
SEC team there at.

Speaker 1 (01:41:39):
Nine to three.

Speaker 10 (01:41:41):
Indiana is gonna be fighting the perceptions around its history.
It's non confidence, schedule, things like that. There is an
ability to kind of go on the offensive a little
bit more, and I think Indiana, you know, maybe needs
to consider doing that. But in the same breath, I
think everyone recognizes the thing to speaks loudest is the
results in the field. And if Indiana goes out and

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let's see what city win ten games, and you know,
one of them is win at Iowa, the other ones
a really impressive went home against Illinois, then you know,
maybe maybe your red the may does speak a little
bit more for itself. It's just it's sort of it's
sort of saying, if Indiana is going to be a
playoff contender, and it has every right to think of
itself as one, because again it was in the playoff

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literally nine months ago, then it needs to act that
way when it comes to public messaging, when it comes
to the way that it defends itself against criticism, all
those different kinds of things.

Speaker 3 (01:42:34):
It's been an value beat since I was an undergrad
down there. He does great, great work and someone I
admired back in the day that Zach Ostman from the
Indianapolis Star, Zach, if we could shift gears to basketball,
It's pretty rare, honestly, but welcome to today's day and
age where we ask more football questions in basketball when
it comes to Indiana University, Darren Devrees and the Puerto

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Rico trip, grand takeaways, They're going to shoot a bunch
of threes, and maybe some questions about defending teams that
are bigger? Is that too simple of takeaways? What do
you think about the three games down there?

Speaker 10 (01:43:07):
Yeah, no, I think I mean, listen, I think you
could see Indiana was going to be a much more
sort of three point shooting bend offense just by both
the region's history and the way that he constructed this roster.
I think, I think from Indiana's perspective, there's also again,
if you want to look at the way this roster

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was constructed, there has been since kind of it all
came together a pretty clear sort of hole in the
sort of rim protection and rebounding sort of aspect. Now, Listen,
the flip side is you can go too far in
the other direction, and we can argue that maybe Indiana's
done a little bit of that in the last couple
of years. That you're never the blanket's never going to

(01:43:50):
cover up over every single potential shortcoming or weakness. You
only get thirteen scholarships in fifteen spots, so you're always
going to have to give and take somewhere. Indiana, you know,
can do different things to maybe mitigate the size disadvantage,
and of course there will be nice when the threes
don't fall. I think you saw certainly some of the
excuse me, some of the pace that the Freeze talked

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about that in Puerto Rico. Now that was those games
were played with a twenty four second shot clock, so
they were naturally going to be faster. But you could
just see Indiana really emphasizing not just let's get the
rebound and throw it up the floor as fast as
we can, but more, you know, pace in terms of
multiple bodies getting down the floor, getting into a you know,
a secondary transition offense that's meant to create a shot,

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even if it's not literally a transition opportunity. It is.
It is something that capitalizes on a defense as disorganization,
as it's recovering down the floor to create another opportunity.
I think you see, you know, it's a very experienced team,
and I know that sounds simplistic, but I think a
lot of people are going to look at them and

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you know, kind of I think I think Kallas Massbo
is looking at Indiana as brand new, which is fair
because they haven't spent a lot enough time together. But
there is just a lot of pure college basketball minutes, games, shots, rebounds, assists,
whatever on that roster, and so I think you could
see some of that experience manifest itself, especially in those

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those two comeback wins. And I think, listen, I mean,
if you want the simplistic way I would, I would
boil it down. It would basically be Indiana should get
as much credit for its comebacks as it should get
criticism for the reasons that it had to come back
and the ways that it got itself into those holes.
I think, you know, it's probably something that maybe we

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didn't talk as much about on that trip, but I
didn't think Indiana started any of those three games, particularly well,
and that's reflected a lot more in the two games
against Mega Supervet. But I think that's that's something that
Dereez has got to kind of think about, because you're
obviously in a thirty second shot clock world not going
to get the pace of the games to affect that
kind of come back in the same way. But in general,

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I thought you saw some promising things from Indiana. I
thought you recognized too that those games were not Indiana's
greatest priority. I think that at the end of the day,
what Debris wanted out of that tour more than anything
else was the ten practices leading up where he could
have his whole team on the floor together for full
practices and instruction and installation and you know, just just

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working through a lot of different things so that when
the games do start mattering.

Speaker 1 (01:46:28):
The.

Speaker 10 (01:46:30):
Terminology is secondhand, the chemistry between players is a lot stronger,
and so I think it's there's also probably an element
of trying not to read too much into those games,
because I mean, it wouldn't shock me if Indiana was
at the beach the morning of, you know, the Saturday game,
the Saturday night game, for example. I don't think Debris
was actively trying to lose the games, but I don't

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think he will have wanted the games to be so
all consuming that he didn't get other, you know, benefits.
His team didn't get other benefits from the trip as well,
so you know, it was it was an interesting first look.
I think Indiana's still got a lot to improve on,
but I think it gives Debreeze and his staff a
lot to chew on, you know, over these next few
weeks as they build up toward the proper preseason.

Speaker 2 (01:47:13):
All right, Zach, thanks so much. Get ready and bucket you.
Buckle yourself in for Old Dominion, Kennesaw State and Indiana
State over the next three weeks. Good luck, I'll do it.
Thanks for having me as always, Thanks, Zach, appreciate you.
Zach austraman Indie star joining us here on the Payless
Liquors Hotline. In the meantime, very quickly, let's check things down.

Speaker 9 (01:47:32):
Mark the morning checkdown on ninety sweet five and one
oh seven five.

Speaker 2 (01:47:38):
The Bad Colt's busy. Last night they picked up Makai Blackman,
a safety from the Minnesota Vikings, in exchange for a
twenty twenty six to sixth rounder, and they make a
bunch of cuts to get down to fifty three men
by four o'clock today. James Boyd.

Speaker 5 (01:47:53):
Yeah, just to clarify, believe, Mikayle Blackman has some safety background,
but he's more of a cornerback, and so they're going
to try to I think, wetch him into that.

Speaker 2 (01:48:00):
In the back room versatility day like.

Speaker 5 (01:48:02):
Yeah, but I think he could probably slot in possibly
as like a backup slot cornerback behind kennymore of the
second Whenevertheless, if he's coming in, that means somebody else
might be going out. So at four o'clock today we
should get more clarity, all.

Speaker 2 (01:48:15):
Right, Kevin Bowen, any insights on what we might see
before the day is done, Yeah, I don't, I.

Speaker 4 (01:48:22):
Mean the future. Yeah, can give us some hard sir?

Speaker 7 (01:48:26):
Do you accountable for it so often?

Speaker 2 (01:48:29):
That's why I ask.

Speaker 3 (01:48:30):
One O seven five of the fan dot com. I
guess that's where I would sease some people to head
their updated the fifty three men roster with the Blackman news,
he ended up moving Chris Lamon's to off of it.

Speaker 12 (01:48:41):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (01:48:42):
He is a corner that could uh do the practice
squad elevation thing. You elevate a couple guys, in the
practice squad each game. It can do that, so you
could opt for that. So again there's a lot of
gymnastics involved with the roster. It will help fluctuate a
few times a year over the next handful of days.
But I don't know, James. Maybe I'm just person of
the moment, but I don't recall a cut down that

(01:49:02):
I had this much just kind of shrug of the shoulders.
I don't have a lot of like big, big thoughts
in terms of, Wow, that was a position that was
really hard to cut down. It looks relatively straightforward to me.

Speaker 4 (01:49:15):
I would agree.

Speaker 5 (01:49:16):
My biggest thing would just be if there are some
players who are going to get designated to go to
IR INJURR reserve but also return for the season, who
could those players be one of them? At least that
comes to mind for me early on. It's possibly Jayleen
carli As the linebacker is dealing with a right ankle injury,
and I believe the last time I saw him personally
he was in a boot. So could he be someone

(01:49:37):
they automatically put on IR to bring back later in
the year.

Speaker 7 (01:49:40):
Pick the powerball numbers, Kevin, I want to agree with
that I'd be moving to the Burbs with Ian Brownsberg.

Speaker 3 (01:49:44):
And what is it an indoor golf?

Speaker 4 (01:49:47):
Indoor golf.

Speaker 2 (01:49:49):
I have not seen these yet.

Speaker 4 (01:49:50):
I need a tour. I need to see these things.

Speaker 3 (01:49:54):
I am g academy over there in Hendricks County.

Speaker 2 (01:49:56):
I live on Kevin's Colt's bold predictions. I'm looking forward.
There you go, and he had a fever play. Later
on tonight, they are currently in the eighth and final
playoff spot where the season to end today. Of course
it does not end today. They are nineteen and eighteen.
They will it's the Seattle Storm. Later on tonight, seven
o'clock tip over at the Fieldhouse six forty five airtime
here at ninety three five one on seven to five.

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The fans and Eddie Garrison will have that. Also, Caitlyn
Clark being named Nike's newest signature athlete. She's got her
own logo, she'll get her own shoe and eventually James
Boyd her own clothing line.

Speaker 5 (01:50:30):
Yeah, I can't wait for the sneakers. Just drop the sneakers.
I feel like we have all been itching and scratching
for him, and yeah that she drop them, not her
signature sneakers. No, those are like the Kobe you know,
player player exclusive Rookie of the Year I believe is
what she dropped recently. But yeah, give us the Kaitlyn

(01:50:50):
Clark exclusive sneakers, James.

Speaker 3 (01:50:53):
It'd be disappointing if they missed the playoffs.

Speaker 5 (01:50:55):
It would be I think so, because just looking back
at where the season started with somebody's expectation on competing
for a championship, missing the playoffs entirely would certainly be
a big blow.

Speaker 4 (01:51:04):
But also we would understand it.

Speaker 5 (01:51:06):
This is not necessarily a scenario where you envisioned all
of your players getting heard, and the main one being
Kaitlin Clark, but some big ones coming up, and I
do think they're still going to fight, scratching claw try
to get there, because that's what we see from this
team all year.

Speaker 2 (01:51:20):
All right across the hall and he had a pacer.
It's a little bit of coaching news yesterday, Kevin Bowen,
what's going on there?

Speaker 3 (01:51:26):
Yeah, I think this was kind of the assumption that
they would just bump Jim Boiling up to the front
of the bench. He's been i want to say, the
last two years. Definitely last year with the team. Obviously
former NBA head coach. Certainly, Marks remembers his days with
the Bulls. There also the Jazz and he was an
assistant about a decade ago with the Pacers. I did

(01:51:50):
I miss the joke?

Speaker 7 (01:51:51):
Well, no better assistant, a better assistant than he was
a head coach in Chicago. There's rumors he had a
legit punch card clock.

Speaker 2 (01:51:59):
That's been going on since Phil Jackson or that, yeah,
ever since the.

Speaker 3 (01:52:02):
United Center at their remember and punching my cart in
or finish line warehouse and Plump Craik back in.

Speaker 4 (01:52:07):
The day two seasons for Boyling going to your number three.

Speaker 3 (01:52:11):
So yeah, he'll be bumped to the front of the
bench with Lloyd Pierce, Jenny Boosik and that Mike Winer
news from Friday. There Johnny Carpenter who the Pacers are adding,
he's got some ties Eva ties to Rick car loows
with him in Dallas briefly. Also the Pacers a couple
of years ago during training camp. So they have filled
the Mike Winer news.

Speaker 2 (01:52:29):
All right, Mark, Cubs were off yesterday, but the Dodger
shut out the red seven nothing card. Well, where are
you gonna go beat the pirates?

Speaker 1 (01:52:36):
Stop it?

Speaker 2 (01:52:36):
Beat the Pirates seven six. Wilson Contreras got thrown out
of that game arguing balls and strikes and threw a
bat at one point in time that clipped his own
coach instead of just like moving off to the side
in frustration.

Speaker 7 (01:52:49):
The Pat Murphy the potato pancake or whatever it was,
pocket pancake that saved his life. Maybe maybe when he
hit Pat Murphy with the bats, it just clipped him
as he was kind of just starting it. He was
being held back and the bat went flying.

Speaker 2 (01:53:04):
And the funny thing was, I'm looking at that cult strike.
It looked like it was a cult strike. It looked
like it was a strike to now.

Speaker 7 (01:53:11):
I mean, if Williams anything like his brother Wilson, that
doesn't matter.

Speaker 4 (01:53:15):
He will argue anything.

Speaker 2 (01:53:17):
All right, what else can we tell you? That's pretty
much it. The Indians are back at home to night
Victory Field. They'll take on the Buffalo Bison at six
thirty five.

Speaker 5 (01:53:27):
I would say shout out. Since Terry McLaurin the local product,
he gets a massive extension with the Commanders three years,
ninety six million dollars. Trey Hendrickson, also not too far
away over in Cincinnati, gets at a raise for his
one year with Cincinnati, no extra years on his deal,
but gets thirty million dollars this year to play it

(01:53:48):
out with the Bengals.

Speaker 4 (01:53:49):
Who you know.

Speaker 5 (01:53:50):
I think they're going into that season kind of with
an all or nothing approach, paying their guys and trying
to see if they can capture some glory with this
one year window.

Speaker 7 (01:53:57):
I would imagine it seems like all eyes turned to
Dallas now with Mike Arsons. Are you gonna get a
deal done? Are you gonna sit out? Or what's going
on there?

Speaker 6 (01:54:03):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (01:54:03):
Land on the scorers table or land on the training table.

Speaker 5 (01:54:05):
Whatever that was probably wasn't the best look, but I
understand it because it seems like there has been some
just weird negotiations going on, particularly on the part of
Jerry Jones. Yes, Jerry, you have to talk to the agent,
like legally you should do that.

Speaker 1 (01:54:19):
I don't have the patience Jack with you today.

Speaker 2 (01:54:22):
I kind of feel like the ESPN talk shows in
the morning desperately need that to go on for at
least another week.

Speaker 7 (01:54:28):
Do we get Oh yeah, we're in the doldrums now.
So aside from cut day, they need some content. So
Jerry Jones would be happy to oblige.

Speaker 2 (01:54:35):
All right, coming up in just a moment, we will
hear some of the words that Shane Steichen had to
say yesterday about the situation with the Indianapolis Colts, their
quarterback and everything moving forward. We'll do that as we
continue ninety three to five and one on seven.

Speaker 1 (01:54:48):
We get to suck on that all week.

Speaker 2 (01:54:52):
Happy Tuesday morning, and welcome into our little round table
today as we get ready for the Indianapolis Colts to
make some decisions. Four o'clock is when they are due
NFL cut down day. We've been talking about that all
day long, but also been talking about Shane Stikeen and
how things have been handled quarterback position, some of the
things he had to say at his press conference yesterday.
Kevin Boonen, Yeah, he.

Speaker 3 (01:55:14):
You know, James, I guess we hadn't really gotten maybe
too deep into the mean. Steven Holder honestly had the
reporting this last week about Anthony Richardson, and you know,
I forget the exact phrasing. What maybe we have a
lot to think about, I think is what his agent said,
Derek Jackson.

Speaker 4 (01:55:30):
He used the word trust.

Speaker 3 (01:55:32):
Yeah, trust had been.

Speaker 4 (01:55:33):
Trust this questionable right now with the organization.

Speaker 3 (01:55:35):
So you know, I just asked Shane something to the
effect of, hey, has Anthony come to you in any
conversations with doubts about where he is at right now,
current standing with in the franchise, things like that. This
was Shane Stikeen's response to that yesterday afternoon.

Speaker 8 (01:55:51):
Yeah, I mean I've had conversations with him. Obviously, he's
our backup quarterback right now and still attacking it the
right way, coming in being a pro, getting in here early,
taking care of his body, rehab treatment, and then in
the QB room preparing like you're the starter. I think
we've got a great QB room with the really bright
minds in there and everyone kind of ping pongs off

(01:56:12):
each other. And then on the practice field making sure
he's working on his fundamentals and details, you know, running
the scout team, making sure that's on point and getting
better there. And then obviously when meetings are over, you know,
making sure we're watching cut ups, third down, red zone,
all those things throughout the week, knowing that you know,
he's one play away from playing.

Speaker 3 (01:56:32):
Jeff, I think that was the first time you had
heard that, You're Yeah, I guess I was on a
plane I'll go to you first, your thoughts upon hearing
that the first time.

Speaker 2 (01:56:42):
All the stuff that goes on with your number four
overall pick from a couple of years ago in his
own psyche, when he is the starter, then he's not
the starter, then he pulls himself out of the game,
and then he's the starter again, and then they bring
in Daniel Jones, and now he's not the star again.
At some point in time, you can keep saying from

(01:57:03):
your perspective as the Colts, hey, he's still our number
four guy. He just needs more time to develop and
he's one play away and that's all good. But at
a certain point, how does Anthony Richardson feel about himself
as a quarterback and how he feels the Colts view
him at some point in time? Like that all plays
into it at some point, doesn't it.

Speaker 5 (01:57:22):
Yeah, I think you hit the you know, nail in
the head right there, because that is what the money
question is in my opinion for Chris Ballot tomorrow.

Speaker 4 (01:57:32):
What is your plan?

Speaker 5 (01:57:33):
Your plan right now is to win with Daniel Jones,
and I can understand why you would make that pivot.
I'm not here to say that Anthony Richardson has been
a good quarterback in the NFL. He's been a bad
quarterback largely in the NFL. So the idea that you
want to pivot away from that makes sense. However, that
decision is not made in a vacuum. There are still
other implications of that. And so if you pivot off

(01:57:56):
of him for a second time, One do you sell
him on whatever plan you're you're giving him?

Speaker 4 (01:58:03):
And two? What is the plan?

Speaker 5 (01:58:05):
I mean, why isn't I go back to how it
was when he got benched the first time? Kevin and
he could just never And it's is shame I'm talking
about when I reference he He could never explain whatever
process Anthony Richardson is going through. He just says process
like we're supposed to believe in some vague term, And
I get that, Yeah, it involves film study and you know,

(01:58:27):
coming in early and watching cutups. But like all that stuff,
we already know. So what tangibly specific to Anthony Richardson
is different about whatever process he's going through because what
he's given us is answers that I could tell you,
you know, and I'm not in that room every day.
I don't know anything about being a quarterbacks coach. Or
being a head coach. So what can you what insight

(01:58:48):
can you give us? It isn't just some you know,
rudimentary stuff that we can google, if that makes sense.

Speaker 2 (01:58:53):
What you hope is that Anthony Richardson is just mentally
strong enough to say, look, I don't know what the
Colts really think about keep jerking me around here. From
his perspective, all I know is at some point in time,
Daniel Jones will probably miss some time, whether it's a quarter,
whether it's two games, something along those lines. That's how
the NFL works these days. All he can do is

(01:59:14):
say to himself, you know what, I don't know what
my future is with the Golts. I don't even know
if I want to be here. I don't even know
if I'm their guy. All I know is that when
I have my next chance, I'm going to prove to
somebody out there who wants to love me that I
can play quarterback in the National Football League. That's what
you hope happens.

Speaker 5 (01:59:31):
Yeah, in a way, he kind of did that last
year briefly obviously, when he got benched and he came back.
The first game back, he had the best game of
his career and that dramatic went over the Jets, and
I believe that might have been, in my opinion, the
most complete performance for Anthony outside of a few moments
here or there in other games. But it's also a
huge gamble in a way because Anthony is so up

(01:59:53):
and down throughout his career, as you can't bank on
him proven to anybody that he can be an NFL
starting quarterback right now, So there are certain only a
lot to unpacked there, and I look forward to talking
to Chris Ballad tomorrow more about this. It's funny because
again he meets with us about the or at least
the thought is, you meet right after the cutdown date
talk about the roster, but I guarantee you if we

(02:00:14):
get Chris ballot for thirty minutes, twenty eight of those
minutes are going to be by Anthony Richardson.

Speaker 3 (02:00:19):
You think that answer is just a nothing burger from
Shane Stikeen.

Speaker 2 (02:00:22):
A lot of people on the text line do.

Speaker 5 (02:00:25):
Yelling at Initially in the moment, I thought yes, But honestly,
I think he was kind of getting at all the
things that he wants him to do, and you know,
I thought that was a little bit more than what
he's given in the past, and maybe I'm just like
desperate for something, but you know, watching the red zone
cut ups and you know, staying later, getting there early.
I think these are all things that he's like, he's
probably thinking.

Speaker 3 (02:00:46):
So he's mentioning that because Anthony was not doing them,
is that what you're inferring?

Speaker 5 (02:00:51):
Not necessarily, I think what I'm inferring is that, Okay,
he's doing them now. Maybe I don't know when I
say not, I don't know if he's not not been
doing them as of late, but perhaps this wasn't the
case last year or going to this season, whatever the
case may be.

Speaker 4 (02:01:03):
But now that he is doing them, he just wants
to see more of that. That's kind of where I'm at.

Speaker 5 (02:01:07):
But again that I have to speculate because I don't
we haven't been given any clarity.

Speaker 4 (02:01:11):
And then to give some grace to Shane.

Speaker 5 (02:01:14):
Whenever we have kind of asked, and I have done
this one on one with Anthony Richison, what could you
tangibly have done different last year or what have your
teams we've done different this year?

Speaker 4 (02:01:24):
There's not a clear answer. Their ease are on his side.
He's just like, well, I gotta do more. What does
that mean? Coming?

Speaker 5 (02:01:29):
Can anybody in this organization just give real answers more?
What does that mean? It's like the Kobe Bryant commercial
with Kanye West a few years ago. What do you
need from me, mama? Mentality?

Speaker 2 (02:01:38):
More?

Speaker 4 (02:01:39):
More means what explain that?

Speaker 2 (02:01:42):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (02:01:43):
I probably aged well, right.

Speaker 5 (02:01:46):
I was gonna say, I'll say they're clear of the
Kanye West conversation. Yes, not age very well.

Speaker 2 (02:01:50):
Mark.

Speaker 3 (02:01:51):
Look at this text line and honestly, I had this
tweet probably a handful of times yesterday of Shane listening
to Stikens like listening to Charlie Brown's teacher. Like we
mentioned this about an hour ago. I don't know if
I've seen the fan base this fed up with Stichen.
And you know right now you're in a very much
of a Hey, you just evaluate him off of public settings,

(02:02:14):
because you know you don't play games until week from Sunday,
and you know that's when the truer evaluation is going
to be. But it just seems like there is a growing,
growing level frustration, largely based off the public comments from Psychen.
And again I have said this for any coach, because
obviously coaches handled the media very very differently, you know,

(02:02:38):
Darren Devrees versus kurtz Aignetti. But you know, those are
two different people when it comes to a media standpoint here.
You know, Rick Carlisle to Shane Stikeen two very different
people when it comes to the media. And my question
has always been what is happening behind the scenes, and
when Shane last year expressed regret and how he handled

(02:03:00):
some of that stuff and the messaging not necessarily getting
through to the players and the standard that he wants
out of his operation not being met, that's when it
becomes a big issue. And so I think it is
fair to question that from Shane Steikeen right now in
that he regretted it last season. And then you have

(02:03:20):
Anthony Richardson's own team being frustrated by some of the
public messaging around him. And I'm not maybe speaking to
the answer we just heard right there, but the lack
of transparency in front of a closed door is one thing.
The lack of transparency behind a closed door when it's
not resonating with your team is also a question. Right now,

(02:03:42):
do the Colts have a head coach or do they
have an offensive coordinator as head coach?

Speaker 7 (02:03:56):
That's the teacher talking and Charlie Brown, Like, do they
have a head coach slash leader of men or do
they have an offensive coordinator who has head coach duties.

Speaker 5 (02:04:07):
Or do they have Charlie Brown's teacher as Mark was
alluding to. Yeah, yeah, I think that is the money
question as well. Another money question is I think it can.

Speaker 3 (02:04:14):
You have to strike such a balance of like and
again this gets into the head coaching debate. Do you
hire a guy that's going to delegate Dan Campbell, Mike Tomlin,
John Harball, or you can hire someone that's gonna be
super hands on, mostly offensively Sean McVay, Kyle Shanahan, Andy Reid.
You know, you can find different sides of it that

(02:04:36):
have had great success. Yea, And today's NFL Shane Syching
is more of the offensive side of it.

Speaker 2 (02:04:43):
But the other guys you mentioned on that list though
a pretty good leaders of men too.

Speaker 3 (02:04:47):
Sure, sure, sure, but you know they were initially hired
more for that offensive background. I mean that's why Shane
was hired Shane. If Shane Syking had the exact same
reme resumes a defensive guy, he would not have been
the higher here. No chance he was hired because you
couldn't figure out quarterback for years, and they wanted to
hire a guy that will work with Jalen Hurst and
Justin Herbert and Philip Rivers. And right now, two and

(02:05:09):
a half years into it, the quarterback position still has
the same questions it did two and a half years
ago when you hired them. That's not good.

Speaker 2 (02:05:16):
I coming up in a moment. We will finish up
with some final thoughts. Get ready for cut down day,
look ahead to what is on tap for everybody this
evening here on a Tuesday, it's ninety three five or
one o seven to five of the Fan. I'm right
to wrap it up here on this Tuesday morning. The
Indiana Fever will play tonight against the Seattle Storm. That
one comes your way at seven o'clock. You can hear
it live by to get six forty five here at

(02:05:38):
ninety three five, one oh seventy five the Fan on
our fan pregame show with Eddie Garrison. Before we get
out of here too, let's check the phone lines one
more time, two three, nine, ten seventy. Good Jimmy being
patient through the break. I appreciate that, Jimmy, you are
on the air.

Speaker 6 (02:05:52):
Good morning, Jeff, Good moilliing KB, good Mollion JB. And
but not least good morning Mark. How are you guys
doing a way?

Speaker 2 (02:06:00):
Oh good to hear from you.

Speaker 3 (02:06:01):
What's up?

Speaker 1 (02:06:02):
Hey two?

Speaker 6 (02:06:03):
Dangel Frank one, he said, directed directly my friend Kevin
Bowen goe cage be the Irish?

Speaker 2 (02:06:09):
Whoa you haven't just said we thought it was good?

Speaker 3 (02:06:16):
Jimmy, Jimmy, I might be smashing your mailbox. And then
if you keep this up, young man, you don't go
there on me. I cannot wait. Well, I'm not I'm
gonna if you don't have anything nice to say, don't
say anything at all. Hey, I wrote that, I wrote
that where are you going with this? There's no way

(02:06:37):
you were close for the dig right?

Speaker 6 (02:06:38):
No, no, no, I did have a respectful thing to
say about the Irish. I won't say that your two
had a monster. I run your back.

Speaker 10 (02:06:47):
It gives me nightmares.

Speaker 2 (02:06:49):
There we go.

Speaker 6 (02:06:50):
I'm uh, I'm I'm I'm pulling for my cane. But
if you're Irish win, I will be a good friend
and congratulate you. So there's that. But also, I just
wanted to make your time and the wolt real quick.

Speaker 1 (02:07:02):
Guys.

Speaker 6 (02:07:03):
Everyone is showing dirt and writing your victuary and Anthony
Richardson and I just been I'd been like as long
as he could, you know, staying with it mentally. I
think that seemed to be the hardest thing for him
and and I wish him the best. I just want
to hosted you well. As you guys know, I was

(02:07:23):
a training camp at this season and there's a life
full and yeh, that's all I got you guys, have
a great morning. Great to talk to you.

Speaker 1 (02:07:31):
Thanks.

Speaker 2 (02:07:31):
I appreciate that I always get to hear from Good Jimmy,
especially when he's taking shots uh early in the morning
to any of us.

Speaker 3 (02:07:38):
And Mark Dacton could learn a thing or two from Jimmy.
Always great to hear your voice, you know, if you
want to live in a Richardson world. James Boyd and
you grabbed the cup. That's super half. Probably his best

(02:08:02):
stretch of his pro as a pro came after he
got bench last year.

Speaker 4 (02:08:06):
I think it's probably out of it.

Speaker 3 (02:08:08):
It was absolutely his best stretches, best stretch as a
pro came after he got bench.

Speaker 5 (02:08:12):
That's what Good Jimmy is kind of alluding to, is
you know, hey, don't right Daniel Jones.

Speaker 3 (02:08:18):
I mean really, you know it was the back injury
that took him off the field. Yeah, last year, late
in the season he the Denver game was definitely not good.
But you know, New England, the Jets big time moments
on the road, delivering for your football team when you
had you know, before you got to the Denver game,
you had to get there with those other wins. So again,
it's probably reaching for a little bit glass half full,

(02:08:39):
but I believe Anthony Rison will get one more shot
at it.

Speaker 5 (02:08:44):
I do think again, if they start off like two
and three, one and two, one and three, you could
get very loud for the anthy Richardon getting back.

Speaker 3 (02:08:50):
You think that quickly. You think Shane would bail that early.

Speaker 4 (02:08:53):
If they started one to three.

Speaker 5 (02:08:55):
Maybe not one and two, but there are two games
under five hundred through four games or a month in
the season.

Speaker 7 (02:08:59):
YEA look up the Joe Flacco quot where they said
they're going to ride with Joe Flacco the rest of
the season and then how long was it?

Speaker 2 (02:09:05):
Three weeks?

Speaker 4 (02:09:05):
Then they went back to two weeks, fourteen days.

Speaker 3 (02:09:08):
I think I think the least will be longer for
Jones and it was for Flacco.

Speaker 4 (02:09:11):
That's fair.

Speaker 2 (02:09:12):
Yeah, Gary and Nobles fifteen days says, any chance you
guys can say hi to my son Ashton, he's home
sick from school. We're watching you on YouTube. Ashton, how
you doing man, Ashton?

Speaker 3 (02:09:21):
Hope you're feeling better?

Speaker 1 (02:09:22):
Man?

Speaker 4 (02:09:23):
Yeah, Ashton, hope you feel better.

Speaker 5 (02:09:24):
And shout out to your parents letting you stay home
from school because you're sick. Because my parents never let
me stay home when I was sick, because in their mind,
kids didn't get sick.

Speaker 4 (02:09:32):
They just got sick of going to school. And you
were gonna go, James, is what they told me.

Speaker 2 (02:09:36):
Fever of one hundred and two.

Speaker 3 (02:09:37):
Get up and get go.

Speaker 4 (02:09:39):
But shout out to Ashton, man, I hope you're having
a good day, but better.

Speaker 2 (02:09:42):
That's Gary soup?

Speaker 1 (02:09:42):
Is that?

Speaker 2 (02:09:43):
Gary Deacon?

Speaker 3 (02:09:44):
Love me some Gary Deacon? If it is this from Brant,
big old accident I sixty nine South, I feel like
that's an annual day thing. But sixty nine shut down
between Hamilton Town Center and one sixteenth that's a big
old shutdown. If indeed so, Fisher's area north east side
of town or watchouts.

Speaker 2 (02:10:02):
Stay away, uh DJ and Indy speaks for the prostration
of many many textures and fans today when he talks
about that it's just time to let go. He's tired
of what he perceives the arrogant attitude of Chris Ballard
dumpster fire after dumpster fire. It's just time to let
go and move on, he says.

Speaker 4 (02:10:21):
We'll see.

Speaker 5 (02:10:21):
We'll certainly get some answers after this season. They have
one more year together at least, and they have bet
it on Daniel Jones, and so we will see how
much that bet cash is in.

Speaker 7 (02:10:32):
I think the leash will be long for Daniel Jones.
When it comes to Shane Steigen. I think the leash
is short when it comes to fans patience this year,
I think absolutely wits end for the Colts. Fans are like,
enough is a night. The second of this gets ugly,
we are booing, we are not showing up. We are
going to voice our frustrated The kid at the mall has.

Speaker 3 (02:10:49):
Broken the leash. He's on the loose. That's exactly where
Colts fans are at right now, candy store with Shane Steikeen.

Speaker 2 (02:10:56):
If they come out of the gate and beat Miami
in Denver, Now, what are we talking about?

Speaker 3 (02:11:00):
You carry Daniel Jones back to his beautiful state. You
build a statue, Yeah, you might take Peyton's statue down. Look,
it's one of those dictators overseas. And then you build
Daniel Joneses.

Speaker 2 (02:11:11):
Somebody will throw his jersey on the Peyton Manning statue
over there at Lucas. Would be good to go after
two games.

Speaker 3 (02:11:17):
I mean, you got a great gift in week one.
You see Miami's kickers out for a month plus two.
I mean, like, there are so many things in your
corner for week one. Their secondary obviously he has had major,
major questions. So I mean, hell, the Colts are favored
in week one?

Speaker 4 (02:11:33):
What if they go too and one in the first three. Again,
that's better than what they've done.

Speaker 3 (02:11:38):
I mean, that's I mean, aren't they They will probably
be favored, right and two of those first three. I'm
looking at the schedule next to James mart You're gonna
be favored at Tennessee.

Speaker 4 (02:11:45):
You think so, I would think so.

Speaker 3 (02:11:46):
Don't think a rookie quarterback is going to be doing that.

Speaker 2 (02:11:48):
So all right, great job again spinning the tunes this morning,
Mark Dyke didn't thank you, a little upset with your
consistent attacks on Kevin and the Reds all the time
and Notre Dame.

Speaker 4 (02:12:00):
Thanks for the audio. It wasn't me.

Speaker 2 (02:12:02):
All right. Jay Query comes your way at noon with
very latest from the Cults. JMV, of course, will be
on the air live when NFL cut day deadline comes
at four. We'll be here all day on ninety three
five and one A seven five the Fan. Thanks for listening,
We'll see you tomorrow morning.

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