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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Two and one down, well Tony Dials swang in a
drive left field, that one towards the bleachers and gone.
Guerrero pumps his fist yells into the dugout.

Speaker 2 (00:12):
The franchise face, putting the team on his back.

Speaker 1 (00:15):
The two one swanging a ball drilled left field, going
back his straws there and he makes the catch and
the Blue Jays have tied this series. After the gut
renchin lost last night that might have just wiped a
lesser team off, the Blue Jays bounced back.

Speaker 2 (00:31):
Good morning and welcome into the Fan Morning Show. James Boyd,
Kevin Bowen, Mark Diyton, Jeffrickers Show, Hey O Tanny Vlad
Guerrero Junior No Pacers game last night. The Colts were
off yesterday, settled in for a nice little fall classic game,
Game four of the World Series. Last night show, Hey
O Tani. Trying to pitch Usually you would say James

(00:52):
on four or five days rest, sometimes four days this
time of year. But trying to pitch on five days rest,
but coming off an eighteen inning Performers that went well
into the night where he was on base nine times.
He looked I thought a little bit tired. Last night.
Made one mistake early in the game to Vlad Guerrero
Junior and like show, hey Vlad Dunn miss if you
make a mistake, and all of a sudden, Toronto was off,

(01:15):
not so much to the races. They took a two
to one lead to end up winning six to two.
But oh, Tony didn't look as sharp last night, and
that's completely understandable.

Speaker 3 (01:22):
I thought, Yeah, I guess he's human. That was my
biggest takeaway from him yesterday.

Speaker 2 (01:27):
Yeah, that's that's how that looked last night. So it
was a fun game to watch, Kevin. I don't know
if you spent time with the family last night or
watched Major League baseball, but it was kind of nice
to just have baseball. And he's back into the easy
chair last night, and the dog and I just hung
out and watched a little Fall Classic.

Speaker 4 (01:42):
Yeah, and I honestly think this is probably one of
the more competitive World Series we've had in a while.
I mean, we're guaranteed to go six with it now
being two two, is there any doubt we go seven?
I mean, I mean, he just has that feel already
to it. And I think within the four games they've
been really competitive, so Toronto Starr who got you know,

(02:02):
front and center last night with that fourth inning shot
from Vlad and then they kind of broke it open
there in the seventh. So yeah, two two, and are
we I think we're back to the game one starting
dual tonight. I believe it's Blake Snell and what's his name?
You're Savage or have you say a Savage? Yeah, the
guy who's come up from a single A yes, So yeah,

(02:22):
coming back up to the game one starting dual tonight.

Speaker 2 (02:26):
Yeah, I'm looking forward to it. And like I said,
you know, we have so much going on around here.
There's always something going on. There's always a game or
there's something happening. It doesn't happen very often, and I
like having all of our local stuff. That doesn't bother
me at all. But it was nice just to worry
about one game and one game only and not have
to really have a rooting interest in it, just watch
it for the sake of watching great baseball. Mark, you

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watch baseball almost every day during the season. This has
got to be this gotta be heaven for you. I
know you'd like the Cubs to be there, but it's
fun to watch two teams that you're fairly neutral on
just slug it out.

Speaker 5 (02:58):
I'm a fan of greatness in Vlad Guerrero Junior and
show Hey O Tani our greatness, you know, all together,
so I enjoy watching them. And yeah, it's been a
very fun World Series so far. I appreciate that it's
not going till three in the morning, so I was
locked in yesterday. But you know, it's been a very
good World Series. I'm still pulling for the Blue Jays,
but the Dodgers are very very good, so I don't

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know which way this is going to go.

Speaker 2 (03:22):
Well, it's been a lot of fun to watch. I
know we've got more of that tonight. We've also got
a lot of college basketball on tap tonight as well.
Butler's going to be playing at home against Indiana State,
the Fighting JMVS or the Sycamores as you like to
call him. We'll be going up against Butler. That one
will tip off at seven. We'll have that one on
beginning at six thirty over on Fuego. This is the Butler.

(03:43):
Because we've got the Pacers coming up with a airtime
of eight pm tonight. They will be in Dallas. We
had a conversation with Rick Carlisle yesterday, Kevin, what was
your take on early morning out in Dallas Rick Carlisle
and what he has got to put together? You talk
about a tough puzzle to try and piece together for
him right out of the gate. Who's going to be healthy,

(04:04):
Who's gonna be my starting five? How's this even going
to work? I imagine he's just going to be throwing
lineups out there to see what sticks tomorrow night or tonight.

Speaker 6 (04:12):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (04:12):
I can't imagine many times Rick Carlisle has ever had
a guard workout five days into the NBA season and
that guard workout might be your starter tonight. But that
was the reality of Mac McClung winning that workout. So yeah,
if you missed that, Rick Carlisle joined it said nine
o'clock May we'll play the McClung piece coming up here
in a little bit. But yeah, the injury situation, once

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again is lengthy. I did not like at all seeing
ob topping stress reaction in the foot. Gonna be out
at least a month. So you look at the month
of November, I want to say fifteen sixteen games. So
now you're talking what a fourth of the season. If that,
you know, verbiage of at least a month is right.
And you know in NFL world, James Boyd, when I

(04:55):
hear week to week, that usually means multiple weeks. And
that was the label offered for Benedic math and yesterday
with the right toe spring. Yeah, I believe.

Speaker 3 (05:05):
Miles Turner had a stress reaction in his left foot.
This was back in twenty twenty one, twenty two, and
I believe that year he played a career low forty
two games, and so this is one of those injuries.
From what I understand and what I remember about Miles'
this case was you basically don't want to over exert
the foot because a stress reaction can lead to a

(05:26):
stress fracture. So it can get healed without having any
procedures done. But it really just takes a lot of
time and it's different for everybody. So yeah, him being
out at least a month is probably generous when considering
the nature of the injury.

Speaker 4 (05:40):
And how he plays.

Speaker 3 (05:42):
I mean, this is a guy who, you know, like
any player needs his foot, but high flying, a lot
of forests, jumping, moving, cutting, unfortunate situation and yeah, that
was a bit alarmaty that get updated from you know,
a hamstring to a stress reaction. But Ricarlo just said
he had to go undergo further testing, and obviously the
this has proved it was a bigger injury.

Speaker 2 (06:02):
I haven't figured it out yet, and I'll go back
and look maybe during the break. But Kevin off top
of your head, are there more Pacers players from the
fifteen man roster injured right now than there are healthy
original fifteen man just two weeks? Yeah, it's probably pretty close.

Speaker 4 (06:19):
I know this. There's more Pacers hurt right now than
there are Colts. It's just crazy, which makes zero sense.
I mean, like add of the Colts Okay, Samson, Epacom,
Taekwon Lewis both missed. Savarious Wards on IR, I guess
Anthony Richardson James like starting, let's just go too deep,
Spencer Schrader. I mean, the Colts have played eight football
games this year. Yeah, and I count five dudes hurt.

(06:42):
Maybe stretch it to a sixth if you want to
throw Jalen Jones maybe in there that Pacers have what
eight guys listed? Yeah? Seven or eight? I mean it's amazing.
I mean the Colts have had more guys hurt and
warm up I mean, it's just it's insane where the
Pacers are at from a health sam right now. I
do think there is one particular pacer that they a really,

(07:06):
really really need right now who is healthy and be
what a great opportunity for him. So maybe we can
get into that as the show moves along, because probably
anyone's guess as to how they'll hand point guarding, even
handle center here tonight it will be Cooper Flagg and
the Dallas Mavericks. They are a seven point underdog Mavericks,
one of the bigger lineups in the league. It's something
Rick talked about with us yesterday. You know, how the

(07:28):
Pacers will look lineup wise, could have a little bit
of dependence on exactly how much size and height that
Dallas has. Obviously Anthony Davis been their best player this year.

Speaker 7 (07:38):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (07:39):
Ryles checks in early on the fan text line at
two three, nine, ten seventy. It says, like a lot
of people have the last couple of days they want
to know, do you think we can chuck these injuries
up to all of them playing so much longer last
year than they've ever played before and not getting enough
recovery time this summer.

Speaker 6 (07:55):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (07:55):
Maybe, but it's the commomy.

Speaker 4 (07:56):
Rick Carla has an answer to that that we could
plug coming up in a bit.

Speaker 2 (08:00):
So stay tuned.

Speaker 4 (08:01):
Rick Carlisle will talk about that.

Speaker 2 (08:03):
But I think everybody always wonders how many games are
too many? You throw in what between four and six?
I think it's usually four. You can play up to
six preseason games.

Speaker 4 (08:12):
If now we should load manage NBA players, is that
what we're saying. No, I'm just asking the question. Now,
I'll go to the season it was worth it.

Speaker 2 (08:18):
Yeah, I'm fine with that, But there is is there
a point where the body's like a uncle?

Speaker 4 (08:23):
I don't know.

Speaker 7 (08:24):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (08:24):
Jordan used to show up and play eighty two games
a year, and nobody played more basketball in the eighties
and nineties.

Speaker 4 (08:29):
Than he did.

Speaker 2 (08:29):
Of course he's that's a unicorn too, So I don't know.
All right, So we'll check in on all of that.
We'll hear what Rick Carlisle has to say about those
things coming up in a few minutes. We got the
World Series last night, Pacers back on the floor this evening.
College basketball is close to moving out of the exhibition
phase of the season. As we get closer and closer
to November, and then we have that golden spot in.

Speaker 4 (08:52):
The next week or two.

Speaker 2 (08:52):
Well, you got major League Baseball, college basketball, college football, NBA, NFL.
I feel like I'm leaving something out, but who who knows.
There's lots of stuff going on. We'll talk about all
of it in the moment as we continue. Ninety three
five and one oh seven. Happy Wednesday morning. You made
it to hump Day. It's going to be a great day.
We've got a lot of college basketball tonight. The Pacers
are in Dallas, but the Colts return to work later

(09:15):
on today. Over in West fifty six. Good morning everyone,
Kevin Bowen, James Boy, Jeff Rickard and Mark Dyketon and James.
Back at it for the players today out at West
fifty six, getting ready for a road game against the
Pittsburgh Steelers on Sunday. At seven and one, things rolling
along talked about some injuries yesterday.

Speaker 4 (09:32):
What are we looking for today when you head out there.

Speaker 3 (09:35):
Probably the defensive line. You want to see if Taekwon
Lewis is back out there. I think he missed the
game with the groin, and then Samson Ebucom missed last
week's game with the knee, So all those guys out there,
and then on top of that, Anthony Gould, I believe
he's with kne injury as well. He's their main kickoff returner.
So those are some of the injuries. But as far
as the you know, bigger names go there relatively healthy
at this point in the year, which is all you

(09:57):
can ask for when you're playing a sport is violin
as football.

Speaker 2 (10:00):
Far as the defense is concerned, Louanna Romo's team has
done enough to get the Colts to seven and one
behind that high powered offense. And he had said yesterday
he doesn't want to run a bend but dope break defense.
They want to be a little more aggressive. They want
to force some things. How much more can they improve
given the personnel that they have right now, Let's say
they don't add an edge rusher or another person secondary.

Speaker 4 (10:20):
How do they get better? Yeah? I mean lately they
have been ben Ba don't break, not by choice. To
be clear, as you pointed out, Louianna Romo definitely does
not want to be that. I think his predecessor was
much more content with ben but don't break. So I
think you want to hear that if you are a
Colts fan, But yeah, I mean, given some of the
personnel right now and just the ineffectiveness of the edge
rush group, that's kind of how they've been. You know,

(10:42):
Pittsburgh does have probably a little bit more of a
balance at that. Pittsburgh's big issues right now defensively. You know,
Mike Tomlin is getting asked have you thought about taking
over play calling duties that ain't good? You know when
you're getting asked that as a head coach. So that's
a reality, and I think that's a big storyline heading
into Week nine. Saw Pittsburgh make trade yesterday, so they
have a lot more questions defensively. The Colts have them,

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but Pittsburgh's got a lot more of them heading into
this matchup. It's probably the reason why the Colts are
a field goal favored in a place that I believe
they've only won once as the Indianapolis Colts.

Speaker 2 (11:15):
Yeah, and Aaron Rodgers and the Steelers started off fairly
well the first six weeks or so. The last couple
of weeks they've struggled just a little bit. So it'll
be interesting to see at the stadium Hinz Field this
coming weekend what the Steelers have in store for the
Indianapolis Colts. Game starts at one o'clock Sunday afternoon. All
of our pregame begins at ten am right here, ninety
three five and one oh seven to five. Later on

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tonight in the NBA, the Indiana Pacers take on the
Dallas Mavericks. That one will start at eight o'clock, and
the injury news just gets worse and worse. James, Boy,
what's going on with Obi topping in his foot?

Speaker 4 (11:48):
Now? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (11:50):
So, originally after he left Sunday's game, I believe against
the Timberwolves, Recrlos said it was a hamstring in then
come to find out a couple of days later, after
getting further testing, it's a stress reaction in his right foot.
So obviously that's a much more significant injury I think,
and perhaps a trickier injury when it comes to the

(12:12):
recovery timeline. So he will be out at least a
month according to Rick Carlisle and shot out to Dustin
to Pierrack of Indie Starr, because when I watched the
interview back Rick Carlo, I didn't really offen the information. Initially,
it was Dustin that kind of pressed for more and
got that out of him, so he is out for
at least a month, and then Bendiic Mathern is week
to week with a big toe injury on his right foot.

(12:32):
So unfortunate, and that's why you're seeing Mac McClung like
Kevinlutitude just a while ago. Possibly planned some big minutes tonight.

Speaker 4 (12:39):
All right, we'll take a look at that.

Speaker 2 (12:40):
One starts at eight pm tonight with Mark Boyle and
Pat Boiler on the pregame show, and then the tip
comes at eight thirty. Our first chance to see Cooper
Flag up close and personal tonight as the Pacers look
for their first win of the season college basketball Later
on tonight, it's gonna be busy Indianapolis taking on Butler
tonight six thirty airtime, seven pm. Tip. That'll be on

(13:01):
our sister station, Fuego ninety two point seven. You've got
that dialed up in your car right now, don't you.
Mark Dychton, you're your Fuego guy, aren't you? P one?
Maybe place like coming back.

Speaker 4 (13:11):
It's been a while since I had Spanish in high school.

Speaker 2 (13:15):
Uh I took four.

Speaker 4 (13:16):
Years in high school. I know nothing. That's all I
know is I sang a song said, Tango la camisa negra,
I have the black shirt.

Speaker 2 (13:24):
See Tango Tango locamisa.

Speaker 4 (13:29):
Give it up, let's go, I can keep on. I
don't want to look like Shakira at seven to twenty
in the morning here. That's all I took.

Speaker 5 (13:35):
I just want to understand what Shakiro was saying, right,
serenad Mark, it's a nice trong replacement at the age
of forty for maybe thirty nine and a half.

Speaker 2 (13:44):
Uh So, yeah, Fego tonight ninety two point seven FM
for Indianapolis and Butler also tonight, I'm sorry, Indiana State
and Butler. I take it back, it's Indiana State Buggler
because Indianapolis is up at Purdue, the number one ranked
team in the nation right now, So that one comes
your way at seven if you're traveling up there. Upset alert,

(14:04):
Oh Lord, upset alert. That's right, and them on you Indy. Yeah,
so looking forward to all those things later on tonight.
Last night, Valpo beat Brescia one O four to sixty.
That is a school I've never heard of, Kevin ever.

Speaker 4 (14:18):
I'll be honest, I don't even know what you just said.
Say that again, Brescia, b r E s c i
A until tight. Until last night, I'd never heard of them.
Sounds like this. Yeah, that could could be Spanish or
Sneeze for.

Speaker 8 (14:29):
All I know.

Speaker 2 (14:29):
One O four to sixty two. Valpo got the win there.
In Regional College Basketball WNBA, labor negotiations continue. I think
the league is asking for a little bit of a
of an extension on when the thing expires, which is
supposed to be coming up towards the end of this week,
as they try to figure out who's going to get
all the money and where it's all going to go
now that they've got TV contracts and everything else. The

(14:50):
players keep saying, where's my money? So we'll find out
how that whole thing works out when it's all set
and done. Major League Baseball last night, uh Vlad Guerrero
got his on. Sho Hey Otane hit a home run early,
took a two to one lead. The Blue Jays extend
that to a six to two victory last night. Shane
Bieber was pretty good last night, five and a third innings.
And yes, we did find out that shoe Heo Tani

(15:12):
is human Mark dyked and he did actually look a
little bit tired on the man last night, and I thought, you.

Speaker 4 (15:18):
Know, he still came.

Speaker 2 (15:19):
I was thinking, he looks like he's laboring a little bit,
but he was still throwing ninety nine plus at times
last night.

Speaker 4 (15:24):
It's amazing.

Speaker 5 (15:25):
Don't blame him for being tired. I didn't play eighteen
innings like he did, and I'm I'm still tired, so
I can only imagine how he was.

Speaker 2 (15:32):
Yeah, that game five comes your way tonight at eight
pm in Los Angeles. Safe to say this is a
big one for the Dodgers, James Boyd because they didn't
want to go back to Toronto down three to two.

Speaker 6 (15:43):
No, not at all.

Speaker 3 (15:45):
But at the same time, like Kevin said, this is
a world series, is giving us a little more theater
than in a couple of years past, So I'll take.

Speaker 4 (15:52):
It all right.

Speaker 2 (15:53):
NBA last night, a couple of scores want to tell
you about an interesting game for us. The Milwaukee Bucks
beat the New York Knicks one twenty one to one eleven.
Janas Santanakupo had thirty seven points, but it was a
fairly quiet night for Miles Turner last night, who only
made one field goal in thirty minutes of play. He
did come down with eight rebounds, but they're probably looking

(16:13):
Kevin for more than five points and eight rebounds from
Miles Turner.

Speaker 4 (16:17):
Yeah, he has shot at awful so far with the Bucks.
I think it's like thirty percent from the floor, twenty
percent from three So Saton mark yesterday, James might be
good to get Eric name on here to end the
week because Miles Turner and the Pacers that will be
Monday here inside of Gambridge Field that was typically Monday's
are reserved for you know, coult to recap. So Eric Name,
who we had on during the Bucks series last year,

(16:38):
James's colleague at the Athletic. I think he's been all
over the Miles Turner story from the Milwaukee side of it.
Milwaukee is off to a three and one start, so
that might be a good guest to get on maybe
even tomorrow here. Before that's I would say corrus aboos
rains down certainly on Miles Turner.

Speaker 2 (16:56):
A couple of other national notes that I want to
talk about. The fallout continues from the illegal poker games
and the possible points scandal whatever. For the Miami Heat,
it looks now like there was an eight million dollar
tab owed to the irs by Terry Roseier.

Speaker 4 (17:15):
Did you see that, James Boyd?

Speaker 3 (17:17):
Yeah, I forget who reported that, but it was not
I think it was ESPN. Actually, yeah, he had an
eight minute of like taxling or something like that, which
was around the same time that he started allegedly throwing
games or through at least one game. So not ideal
for him and everyone involved. Again, when you have people
that investigate this stuff over years and years, they're not

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going to company to do with something that you know
can be dismissed pretty quickly. If you're going to fight this,
it's going to be a while before you get exonerated
or you get convicted.

Speaker 2 (17:45):
And also the robberies the high profile athletes continues.

Speaker 7 (17:49):
You know.

Speaker 2 (17:49):
There there was a big ring that was broken up
of guys that were waiting until players were actually playing games,
going to their houses while the games are going on,
and taking a lot of their STUFFA legend Shaquille O'Neal
had a custom twenty twenty five range Rover stolen this month.
It was in Georgia as it was being transported to Louisiana,
where the Hall of Famer was set to drive it

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during his visit for an LSU game. The car never
showed up, someone took it from him. What do you
do with Shaq's range Rover.

Speaker 4 (18:17):
There is a Brian Kelly joke somewhere in that.

Speaker 2 (18:21):
Maybe he was stolen at the same time. I don't
know rang fit the entire family. Authorities are still in
search of the vehicle, which they said was fraudulently removed
from a fabrication business between sometime between October twentieth and
the twenty second and then driven to the Atlanta area
last week.

Speaker 4 (18:40):
I'm here with my family, rolls up to the drive
through at Swig driving that thing.

Speaker 2 (18:48):
Can you imagine just somebody orders something and they roll
up to the drive in drive through window and you're
handing them their burger, fries, their drink, whatever, and you
see Shack sitting there.

Speaker 4 (19:00):
Twenty two and a half point favorite over Maryland coming
up as they are on the road each to the
next two weeks. Only one home game left for the
Hoosiers this season, and we'll see right now they aren't
in line for a playoff home game because they're going
to get a bye into the quarterfinals perdue nearly a
three touchdown underdog. That months of November could not be
more different for these two teams based off record and

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based off opponents purdues. End of the season is murderous
and Indiana's is not. That's man.

Speaker 2 (19:28):
And here's the thing for Purdue, we thought that they
were going to be a little bit better. They had
shown some promise at times. But where they're going to
find a big ten win with this schedule coming up
the rest of this year, Kevin is it's tough, man.

Speaker 4 (19:40):
You mentioned it. Probably wait until basketball season starts to
find another big ten win.

Speaker 2 (19:44):
All right, Well, if you want to see some Purdue basketball,
you can go check that out tonight. That will be
playing at home seven o'clock in an exhibition game. Both
these games tonight exhibitions Indianapolis at Purdue and Indiana State
at Butler. All right, coming up in a minute, what
did Rick Carlisle tell us yesterday about did all the
games going deep been to June last year affect the
health of this team coming into the twenty five to
twenty sixth season. We'll find out more next on ninety

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three five and one o seven five. The fans love
tradition of the Grand Desid Good morning, and welcome into
a Wednesday morning here. Hope you're having a great Wednesday
to start things off, and it goes well for you.
Thanks for joining us here at ninety three five one
oh seven to five the Fan or on your smart
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of the Fan.

Speaker 4 (20:27):
You can do that.

Speaker 2 (20:28):
You can check us out on the app. You can
always check us out online, and you can also when
you go online, check out Kevin Bowen and all the
stuff that he puts up for the Indianapolis Colts coverage.
And if you want to go deeper too, you can
go check out the athletic James. Boy, you guys are
staying busy with the culture. It's a lot more fun
to cover a team that's winning than one that's like
if they were three and five right now again and

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having the same old questions all the time that we've
had over the last five or six years. It's got
to be nice to at least write new things this year.

Speaker 4 (20:56):
Yea, I don't think I've ever written a they should
buy the trade deadline, but that's where I'm here on
this six days before the NFL trade deadline, all right, And.

Speaker 2 (21:05):
He had a Pacers on the floor again tonight eight
o'clock the airtime here at ninety three five and one
O seveny five the fan then tip at eight thirty
against the Dallas Mavericks. James Boyd and Kevin Bowen had
their weekly conversation with Rick Carlisle yesterday, and we've been
getting a lot of questions on the text line Kevin
about whether or not all these injuries to start the season,

(21:25):
could they be traced back to all the games that
the Pacers played last year, going to the very last
game seven of the NBA Finals. What were your thoughts
on that was you were getting ready to ask that
to Rick.

Speaker 4 (21:36):
I mean, I'm wearing a Tiger Woods hat today, not
a medical hat for a reason. There's nothing I'm less
educated on than anything medically related. But in terms of
my general thoughts, before you know, Rick hit on it yesterday,
I thought, okay, maybe the hamstring injuries you can point to.
You know, they have had a few of those. But
even then, like, are we really saying Quentin Jackson's hamstring

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is because he played one hundred games last year?

Speaker 7 (22:00):
No?

Speaker 4 (22:00):
I mean no, I mean he wasn't a part of
the rotation now. I don't know. Maybe TJ McConnell falls
into a little bit of that boat. But like you
watched Bendic Matherin's injury, you watch Andrew Namhard's injury, and
none of that to me is from like wear and tear.
That's just lucas stuff that can happen on a basketball floor. Nonetheless,
Rick Carlisle shared a little bit on that yesterday.

Speaker 9 (22:21):
Not like this.

Speaker 6 (22:22):
I mean, you know, we went through the brawl stuff,
and we were very depleted as a team during that,
and we had to bring in a lot of reinforcements,
and you know, there was a lot of stuff going
on with suspensions at that time, so we actually had
less players available in a few of the games at
that time. But this is different. You know, one thing

(22:44):
you can you can surmise from this looking at US
and Oklahoma City. I think Oklahoma City has seven guys out,
or did leading to last night. They played Dallas last night.
We now have eight guys out and both teams played
too very last day of the season, So very possible
playing that number of games may may be part of this,

(23:07):
you know, it may not. Some of these injuries really
something related to a left shoulder, like with Nemhard, you
can't really trace that to you know, playing a lot
last year and having a short summer. But you know,
Ben stepping on a guy's foot in Memphis, that's you know,
that's that's bad luck, certainly more than anything. But it's

(23:29):
an interesting coincidence.

Speaker 2 (23:32):
It is an interesting, interesting coincidence, and I think it
mostly is coincidence. It's still hard for me to wrap
my head around the fact, James, that you have some
of the most fit young athletes on the planet. And yes,
they played a lot of games until the late part
of June, but then they had six eight weeks to
kind of take care of their bodies, recover, get it back,

(23:54):
get yourself set up for another season. It's just hard
for me to imagine that that has a direct correlation
to a bunch of injuries right now. Like Rick said,
stepping on a guy's foot, the shoulder thing, not so
much hamstrings. I don't know, you know, like like Kevin said,
I'm not the medical expert, but it just doesn't seem
like guys that are in their twenties for the most part,

(24:15):
early thirties at the latest, all of a sudden, it's
going to catch up with them after they've had six
or eight weeks to kind of get their body right again.

Speaker 4 (24:22):
I think it's just bad luck. Man.

Speaker 3 (24:25):
It happens to a lot of teams in this league. Unfortunately,
it's just feels like it's the Pacers turn. But at
the same time, you know they're not going to cry
over spiled milk. And I can also throw every other
cliche out there as well. I just think that with
this team and the way they're coached, they're going to
just have to suck it up and figure it out
because at the same time, there is no sympathy and

(24:46):
what did Rick Carloll say, There's no pancea, you know,
being offered to, no medicine, no cure for those who
didn't catch that work. I'd look it up myself. But yeah,
I think my excitement, like I alluded to yesterday and
earlier this week, is I would probably just lean more
into Okay, jars Walker, how are you developing? Hell, Mac mcclunk,

(25:11):
can you just dunk on somebody to not give me
a little juice there and see if you can run
the offense. He's someone with who's got a unique backstory,
so he can he's stick in the league. But I'm
looking more towards development more than anything, especially early on
considering the amount of injuries and how long guys are
going to be out. I guess his fortunate news that
according to I believe it was Dustin that he reported

(25:32):
in Indie Star yesterday that Andrew Demhart is back on
the court doing a little bit of work. Don't know
what that means as far as the status moving forward,
So that seems like it's a it's less of a
major injury, just something to monitor there, So that's a positive.
But yeah, it's the vibes are certainly a lot different
than they were just four months ago when you're competing
for everything in the Game seven in the NBA Finals,
And for me.

Speaker 4 (25:52):
I think it's Walker James. I mean, that is the
one that individually, what an unbelievable opportunity now he is
being given very early in this season, he already had
I think have a question for you about that actually
too who I think the thought was he was already
going to have a decent opportunity, you know with ben
Nick Matherin slide into that starting lineup, maybe be more
of a lead guy with the second unit. You know,
you go back to opening night, I thought he made

(26:12):
a couple of tough shots there, in deep in regulation
and overtime to help you stay in that game against
the thunder. But now, even if you don't view him
as a starter, which you know, who the hell knows
what the starting lineup is going to look like. I mean,
right now, you might say Jaris Walker is your third
best player Pascal Siakamerion Eyes Smith and jars Walker? Is

(26:34):
that where you would go right now? With again, I
mean Ben Shephard, I don't even know how you would
rank that. So I just think it's a huge opportunity
for third year pro out of Houston.

Speaker 3 (26:45):
So my question is what is Jaris Walker's role number one?
Because I feel like we talk about this every year
and we're like, ah, he's kind of in between. But
then two, is it easier or is it harder for
him to find his role when you're so many guys
Because everyone keeps saying he has more opportunity, But I
feel like that's more opportunity to perhaps be more confused,

(27:06):
like what what do you want him to do ideally
without these guys in the lineup?

Speaker 4 (27:10):
Is it the same thing you want to do with
them in the lineup? So what did that look like?

Speaker 6 (27:13):
Well?

Speaker 4 (27:14):
I think that's the hardest question about this entire season.
Let's just start there everything because with Tyre's Halliburton Benedic
Matherns role is different, Andrew Denmart's role is different. True,
but this is like yeah, yeah, yeah, and yeah. I
mean I'm all out there.

Speaker 3 (27:26):
Hey, Jerris, you can run the point, you can play
center if you want to. Tonight we don't have any players.

Speaker 4 (27:30):
Yeah, it's probably a little with this current iteration, it's
probably a little bit more offensively minded. You like, you
still have Nie Smith and Siakam, right So, like, theoretically,
when you're playing you know whatever great wings, you know,
Nie Smith would largely get the first call on that. Now,
you know, maybe you want to alleviate some of the
stress on Pascal Siakam right now, which would probably be
why so maybe Jerris takes on more of that second

(27:51):
kind of wing defender role, but offensively right now, you
need him to be a you need him to be
a sixteen to eighteen point night guy. I mean, that's
just where you're at from an available body standpoint. I
think it's really hard to sniff an accurate judgment on
the Pacers until Andrew Nmar gets back. I just I

(28:13):
mean who's the starting point guard tonight?

Speaker 2 (28:16):
Maybe Max McClung.

Speaker 4 (28:18):
I was like, listen to what Jeff just meant.

Speaker 2 (28:22):
Maybe Mac McClung.

Speaker 4 (28:25):
I mean, forty eight hours ago you would have been like, wait,
what is there a dunk contest on Halloween night in Indy?
What is Mac McClung doing here? And now he could
be yeah, you're starting pointing. Maybe it's right j Dennis.
Maybe it's Ben Shephard again, so maybe it's point forward
Jaris Walker. So yeah, James, it is a good question
because I think it are some people out there that
are like, screw it, just have Jarris, you know, be

(28:46):
a little bit of a point forward. I don't know
if that's necessarily the route you want to go, but again,
can he provide some consistent scoring for you.

Speaker 2 (28:55):
Because right now you just desperately, desperately need it. Well,
the schedule is what the schedule is. This time of year,
it's fairly unrelenting. Right They're on a road trip right now.
They've got Dallas tonight, and that's your first chance to
see kind of Cooper Flag and some of the other
things that are going on there. Obviously, but it just
doesn't get any easier because you got Atlanta on Halloween night.

(29:17):
After next that's going to be at least at home.
Then they play Golden State the next night, so you
do come home, but then you immediately have back to backs,
and then you get a day off before you play
Monday at home against Milwaukee, another day off before you
play Wednesday against Brooklyn, and then it's back out on
the road for four or five straight. That schedule is
not conducive to guys trying to hurry up and get

(29:37):
healthy and mixing and matching and plugging guys in James.

Speaker 3 (29:41):
Yeah, and I got beef with Steph Curry because how
dare you come to the state of Indiana your one
time you play here and I have to go on
the road for the Pittsburgh game. You should have consulted
with me and kind of with the NBA and rescheduled
that game. I'm like, I look forward to seeing him
in the pandemonium, and I told you all, it's kind
of like I would like in the fan fare we

(30:02):
see for him to Caitlyn Clark, Lebron James and others.
But yeah, getting back to your point, Jeff, I think
that's every team, especially in the NBA. I think when
I the cover the NFL for so long now about
four years in, you get used to the one game
a week.

Speaker 4 (30:15):
But the NBA is just not like that.

Speaker 3 (30:16):
It's relentless, and so you can look at any point
in the schedule and say, you know, when is this
guy's gonna get healthy, And the reality of the matter
is you're not really supposed to. I mean, the schedule
is a schedule, and they make it months in advance,
and the ideas that you're gonna go out there and play.
So we could debate about, you know, whether or not
schedules tough or forgiving, or if it's you.

Speaker 4 (30:33):
Know, eighty two games is too much.

Speaker 3 (30:34):
And I know MJ talked yesterday about load management on
NBC and all those things, but the reality is this
isn't a team that load manages or is soft or
trying to, you know, not give the fans the right product.
Is just an unfortunate situation that continues to pout onto itself.
And it's a bit of an avalanche right now where
you know, even with Rick, I had to get a

(30:55):
chance to ask him this yesterday, perhaps perhaps later this
week when I see him at the game Friday, is
just you know, what's the balance of we're trying to
build something here this season versus we're just trying to
tread water and kind of keep our heads above water.

Speaker 4 (31:09):
One thing to note on the Steph Curry front and
Golden State, no back to back before that Pacer game,
So I know I'm probably speaking to a lot of
parents with youngish kids out there that are in the
building to see Steph Curry play basketball, or just frankly
James Boyd's of the world that go there to watch
Steph Curry play basketball. No back to back for Golden
State that Friday leading into Saturday. So for Stef's only

(31:31):
trip here, I feel like it was last year, maybe
was the year before that he missed that game, So
that is good news on that front. Can I ask
you guys a question that I don't want to answer,
So I'll ask it and then turn my mic.

Speaker 2 (31:41):
Off if nothing else, will defer to Mark Dykeden and
the mister wisdom over there will Yeah, I'll give you
have all the answers.

Speaker 4 (31:47):
Who's the best college basketball or football coach in the state,
Matt Painter, so you're putting it all together, best college
coach in the state. I guess I still go, Matt,
He's done it for a long time.

Speaker 3 (32:02):
Man, Kurt Signetti, I'm sorry, but that turnaround for that program.
They're competing for a national championship this year in year two,
and they were like the worst team ever in like
Division one football a couple of years ago as far
as records go.

Speaker 2 (32:19):
What was it?

Speaker 3 (32:19):
I don't want to say, I you was like the
first big was it Big ten team or Division one teams?
Like a thousand losses or something.

Speaker 4 (32:25):
Like that, Like, yeah, it's like them in Northwestern. Yeahs terrible.

Speaker 2 (32:28):
It's a fair question though. He flipped it, and both
guys are going to be looking for national championships this year.

Speaker 4 (32:34):
I just Mark, you want to drive up? You have
thirty one at all?

Speaker 6 (32:36):
For me?

Speaker 2 (32:38):
Oh I Nick, Now who would you rather have right now?
Marcus Freeman or Kurt Signetti?

Speaker 4 (32:45):
Marcus raman Am I biased, Yeah, well, well a little bit.

Speaker 3 (32:53):
But at the same time, Notre Dame was just in
the National Championships. I get this credit that the first
time they had been there in over a decade. All right, okay,
you guys seem to have think about that trio though.
Varying opinions on that who's the best pro basketball football
coach in the state.

Speaker 2 (33:10):
Oh Carlo, Yeah, he's got, he's got, he's got a
track record, he's got he's got an NBA championship for
Stephanie White. Uh, she has a chance to maybe get
there in the next few years.

Speaker 4 (33:23):
I would say a lot of her success came elsewhere,
you know what, sure, which I think matters. I mean,
I mean it's the Rick Carlisle success. A lot of
it did come elsewhere as well.

Speaker 3 (33:30):
Yeah, but he just went to the finals, so it's like, well,
there's there's your most recent success.

Speaker 2 (33:34):
Think about that state wide roster of head coaches.

Speaker 4 (33:38):
Yeah, that's kind of why I brought it up. Like
when you think about collegiately, and again, let's not rank him.
Let's just now talk about him as a whole painter Signetti,
Marcus Freeman.

Speaker 3 (33:49):
Marcus will be last on that list if we're ranking
them by the way.

Speaker 2 (33:51):
You think about the pro out of spite or out
of honest just let him just let him know.

Speaker 4 (33:57):
Yeah, No, don't rank him out. We're ranking him. He's
he's the go ahead. I thought you said, Rick Carlo
just one of the finals. Didn Marcus Freeman just play
for the national championship. Then Rick Carlisle go last year?
Did Marcus Freeman go last year?

Speaker 3 (34:10):
But in comparison to the other two on the list,
whereas Stephanie White just went conference finals.

Speaker 4 (34:14):
So when you think about pro stich in Carlisle White,
I mean, that's it's insane that our state has that.
I mean those six. I mean, if you asked it
just league wide, how many NFL teams would ever would
want Chainsake And how many WNBA teams would want Stephanie White?
How many NBA team would want Rick? Same thing for
you know, the college world. I know he did it
with Signetti a few weeks ago. How many college programs

(34:36):
would take Kurtzignetti's their head coach. Same thing with college
basketball and Matt Painter, same thing with college football and
Marcus Freeman, Like our state has in those respective sports
the best, if not one of the best. I mean,
that is wild and you could make if we if
we debate classed it up. I mean, you could make
a strong case for all of them. Obviously, you know,

(34:59):
from Carlisle standpoint, and he's got the most Hall of
fame ish resume. When you go back two decades there
Stike and Freeman specifically are a little bit younger in
that world, so you know, one day we might be
talking about them in that realm. So yeah, it's wildly impressive.

Speaker 2 (35:19):
It's fantastic, and hopefully it sets us up for just
an amazing run over the next many years of success
for all of these teams. Because I say it all
the time, you know how I feel about Indianapolis as
a sports citio.

Speaker 4 (35:31):
I'm not gonna go on that rant again, but you
could be looking at a big.

Speaker 2 (35:35):
Run of success here for several years, just based on
that roster of head coaches right there, James, Yeah, we.

Speaker 4 (35:41):
Could for sure.

Speaker 3 (35:43):
I would say football is probably the most finnicky one
of that bunch. I mean, things can change fast in
this league, and depending on how things shake out, what
I would say, the fact that we even have this
conversation about Shane in particular speaks to the turnaround they've
had over at West fifty six.

Speaker 2 (35:57):
And then you take a look at what Indiana did
with Dulson not too long ago, as the Penn State
job opened up, and now we see all these other
jobs are starting to open up in the middle of
the season. Now I saw this I'll get back on
track in a second. I saw this ridiculous statu yesterday
Kevin that right now major college universities in season this
year are paying over one hundred and seventy million dollars
of salary to guys that.

Speaker 4 (36:17):
Are no longer the coaches.

Speaker 2 (36:19):
When you add it all up together, that's crazy in
the middle of a year.

Speaker 4 (36:22):
Well college, Is there a marketplace that has gotten more
out of hand than college football coaching salaries? Probably not.

Speaker 2 (36:32):
And that's why I like that Scott Dawson that at
the very hint of it took a big jump up
and said, no, we're going to go all in on Kurtzignetty.
We're going to pay you what anybody else can pay
you right now.

Speaker 4 (36:41):
Well, yeah, I mean that's what I'm saying. Yeah, like
eighties and universities have no control over college football coaches.
Non no. And if you want me, you have to
Why in the NFL does too? Why in the NFL
is it more? I say, normal, It's still a large,
large sum of money. But like I think I saw
yesterday where like Barry Otom makes more than like over

(37:03):
half of NFL coaches, which is insane.

Speaker 2 (37:06):
Good for him.

Speaker 4 (37:07):
Well, I think good for him.

Speaker 3 (37:08):
One of the facts is that we don't know what
every coach makes. We don't know what sayings tych it makes.

Speaker 4 (37:13):
Yeah, I think by all accounts, he's not making what
twelve thirteen million, just whatever these.

Speaker 3 (37:18):
Which we could I mean, I know it's such your point,
but I wish we could find out what every NFL
coach makes.

Speaker 4 (37:22):
You know, what what was Carlisle's original contract? Seven million
a year? Is that right? I want to say it
was four for twenty eight, four for twenty nine. Was
Rick Carlisle originally?

Speaker 6 (37:31):
You know?

Speaker 4 (37:32):
I mean, look at some of these coaches that are
making seven or eight million in college football. I mean,
their hint their resume is not Rick Carlisle. It's why
I don't think there's anything pro or college sports. I
don't think there's any profession that has more control over
their university, over their team than college football coaches. Like

(37:53):
you know, when you preview college games, typically what you
throw up is like coaches, you talk about their faces,
Like before they put up Bernano Mendoz's face, they put
up Kurtzignetti's face, before they put up Jeremiah Smith's face,
they put up Brian Day's face, Marcus Freeman over Jeremiah Love.
I mean it like the list goes on and on.
It's I don't know if we'll ever I think once

(38:15):
you open the can, you never are able to put
it back on. So I assume this isn't going to
change anytime soon. But you don't get this in pro
sports from a coaching standpoint, and I don't even I
mean college basketball, maybe you get it a little bit more.
I just in college football takes the cake. Well.

Speaker 2 (38:33):
I was looking at something that the president. I was
looking at an interview that the President of Indiana did
the other day talking about how much money having a
successful football program brings in not only to the university, oh,
but to Bloomington, Yeah, and the businesses around it, and
how that's why you're willing to pay so much money

(38:54):
some of these mid to small towns that host these
college football teams. It's a it's a whole ech and no,
I'm an ecosystem, James. And if you have the right
guy in there, and you're filling up the stadium every Saturday,
and you're filling up restaurants throughout the week as people
travel in to see you know, Thursday night, Friday night
leading up to Saturday, all those kinds of things. They

(39:14):
talked to some it was a news story, and they
were talking to some of the local restaurants and hotels
that were saying, yeah, it's it's night and day our
business to where it was five years ago, and I
had all traces back to having a successful football program.
It's insane.

Speaker 4 (39:27):
KB.

Speaker 3 (39:27):
We got some people in the YouTube chat saying that,
you know, Marcus Freeman didn't exactly take over a bad program,
and Notre Dame, by the way.

Speaker 4 (39:34):
Took over for your favorite coach right a team that
was not playing for a national championship.

Speaker 6 (39:39):
I know that.

Speaker 2 (39:40):
I'm here with my family, okay, O, man, all right,
great conversation about head coaches and just how important they
are to college football teams right now.

Speaker 4 (39:50):
But again, Brock kissed my ass.

Speaker 2 (39:54):
You've only said that like three times this week. We
should still get a counter.

Speaker 4 (39:57):
Going on that.

Speaker 3 (39:57):
I always say the grass and green, but that man
got a lo out of money. Life is still pretty green.

Speaker 4 (40:01):
I wish you do what to do TV.

Speaker 3 (40:04):
I think he gets highed. There's so many coaches coach
openings right now. If he coaches again, I think he
definitely coaches.

Speaker 2 (40:10):
Again, would you be shocked if he showed up at
Penn State?

Speaker 4 (40:15):
Gosh, I mean there's part of me I thinks, Okay,
Penn State, that's a decent higher But boy, Penn State
and likable head coaches talk about things that don't go hand.

Speaker 5 (40:25):
On hands, say, can you imagine that transition James Franklin
to Brian Kelly?

Speaker 2 (40:30):
Can you hate our coach more? By the way her
hand at this?

Speaker 4 (40:34):
Would you be bitching about the band in the basement
of Lucas Oil Mark, like James Franklin was.

Speaker 2 (40:38):
Anonymous Texter says that Moda is not a slouch either,
that Mada hell of the history.

Speaker 4 (40:42):
Yeah, so.

Speaker 2 (40:45):
Greg wants you to know, don't forget Brian Kelly as
an emeritus coach.

Speaker 4 (40:49):
Kevin's I probably should appreciate what Brian Kelly did. More.

Speaker 2 (40:55):
Back on track, Richard arsays, let's not forget Scott Hey.
Some amazing coaches around here, certainly are Mark. Take us
to break my friend. We got Stephen Holder on the
other side at ninety three five and one seven five. Now,
this is the story all about how my life got
slip turns upside down, and I'd like to take a manager.

(41:16):
Sit right there, I'll tell you how it became the
Prince of a town called bel Air. Haven't heard that
one for a while. Mark dykeson Mark, are you cooking
something up with these re entries today?

Speaker 5 (41:30):
And TV theme songs? Best TV themes songs? So we
had Family Matters already fresh Prince of bel Air.

Speaker 4 (41:36):
Family Matters had me moving a little bit. That theme
song that's such a great show. Is there any particular
reason why?

Speaker 5 (41:42):
Nope, just I was thinking about it for a while.
I'm like, oh, it should be. It would be fun
just do like re entries of like awesome TV show intro.
So I'm like, today's the day we're doing it. I
put it in a request for later on sure which Uh?
I love Lucy theme?

Speaker 4 (41:55):
Do you want? Come on?

Speaker 2 (41:56):
Magnum p?

Speaker 4 (41:56):
I okay, it's one of the great ones right there,
he said, I love Lucy.

Speaker 2 (42:01):
You would think I'm like one hundred and seventy.

Speaker 4 (42:03):
I was curious one stereotypical old show Mark was gonna
name and I love Lucy.

Speaker 2 (42:10):
Uh, Steven Holder, what's your all time favorite TV theme?
I know you've got one, my friend.

Speaker 8 (42:16):
Oh my god, you know, I don't. I don't know
that the song was really all that big a deal.
But when I was like eight years old, when the
theme song for Chips Patrol came on.

Speaker 4 (42:30):
I was like I lost it. I was like glued
to the TV.

Speaker 8 (42:33):
So I don't I think I wanted to be Officer
Punch when I was like when I was like seven
years old.

Speaker 2 (42:40):
So I think we all did.

Speaker 8 (42:41):
James has no idea what we're talking about.

Speaker 4 (42:44):
Look, I was gonna just keep it going. I was
going to lay low.

Speaker 3 (42:48):
But since you put it out there, yeah, I have
no idea what you mean by officer or anything.

Speaker 8 (42:54):
Your dad definitely watched that show.

Speaker 7 (42:56):
There it is, there it is.

Speaker 4 (43:01):
This is a classic seven stuff still started in the seventies.

Speaker 8 (43:04):
I did not watch it in the seventies, to be clear,
Like I probably thought it like nineteen eighty two.

Speaker 2 (43:12):
So anyway, So such as the effect of that show
though when you watch it as a as a young
person or a kid. My son and I were in
Los Angeles week before last, and every time I would
see a State Highway Patrol motorcycle on the freeway, Yeah, oh,
I thought, was it's I told my son, and he
looked at me like I had three heads. Hey, there's
Chips right there, and he's.

Speaker 4 (43:30):
Like, what are you talking about?

Speaker 8 (43:31):
Oh, listen, the Colts had an escort coming into the
stadium and it was Chips. It was it was officer
Punch the motorcycle. It was the full circle moment.

Speaker 2 (43:43):
Steven Holder at ESPN dot com joined us on the
Payless Liquors Hotline this morning, the seven and one Indianapolis Colts.
I'm just gonna throw that out there and let you
pontificate the seven and one Indianapolis Colts.

Speaker 4 (43:56):
Steven, all right, so let's do this.

Speaker 8 (44:00):
I'll repeat what I said to Jake on the midday
Show yesterday. They are the most complete team in the
NFL period. Yeah, I said that, And here's let me
give you the context. The context is this. Obviously, there's
no weaknesses on their offense. I mean, they're not even
really a team that's built around the quarterback, even even

(44:22):
though no one is taking any credit away from them
Daniel Jones obviously right, but they are perfectly built. You
can't stop the run, you can't stop the pass, you
can't seize on any one guy, so pretty impenetrable there. Defensively,
I think they're going to continue to get better. I

(44:43):
don't look at I don't look at this team and say, well,
let me rephrase that, if they get there, if they
get their secondary back intact, I think that will definitely
be true, right, that will no longer be as much
of a weakness. And so I like what they have
up front as long as they can kind of, you know,
buy them some time to get to the quarterback with

(45:03):
an actual secondary that's not made up of practice squad
players when this team is healthy.

Speaker 4 (45:09):
And it will be.

Speaker 8 (45:11):
This is I think the most complete team in the NFL.
And special teams, by the way, not too bad, they're either.

Speaker 3 (45:16):
So Steven, I do want to pivot to Jonathan Taylor.
And I know you all at ESPN usually put out
all these crazy stats, and there are times and I'll
troll you in the press box because I'm like, all right,
enough is enough. You know, this is the first guy
since to do this on a Tuesday, since the merging
of like you know, Earth or something like that, and
I'm like, all right, like that's enough. But I would

(45:39):
say all of us have pulled like just great simple
crazy facts, like one of them being that JT leads
a league in scrimmage touchdowns and he's on pace to
have over thirty touchdowns, and if he is able to
do that, he'd be the first guy since Ladenian Tomins
in two thousand and six who won MVP. So all
that to say, how realistic do you think it is

(46:00):
for him to actually win that award? Given that he
is a running back? But two, he's on a team
that's operating at a historic place offensively.

Speaker 8 (46:09):
So I will say this though, the last time we
had this conversation about Jonathan Taylor, which was what twenty
twenty one, because it was a topic back then, I
think his candidacy at that point was much less realistic
because the team was just kind of you know, he

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didn't have at least you couldn't demonstrate that he had
the impact. Here, it's a much stronger argument now. Do
I think he's gonna win it? I don't, just because
I think voters are conditioned to vote for quarterbacks. However,
this might be a perfect storm if there ever was one.
You know, where's Lamar Jackson right now?

Speaker 4 (46:52):
Who knows?

Speaker 8 (46:53):
Right? I mean the guy who seems to win it
every other year, Josh Allen is the is the current
VP from last year? Is he worthy of it? Right now,
I would say no. Now, Patrick Mahoons is going to
make a run, I have no doubt because that's what
he does. So we'll see what happens there. But I mean,
outside of that, who are we talking about. I've heard

(47:15):
the name Drake May, which I don't hate. I mean,
I really think the Patriots are putting something together, and
he is playing great and he also plays quarterback. But
I mean, all I'm saying is, if there was ever
a time when a court, excuse me, when a running
back in today's age was going to have a shot,
this is probably it. And what he's doing is within

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the context of the best offense in the NFL, and
I think that matters a lot. So this could be
a storyline.

Speaker 4 (47:44):
We'll see ESPN where you can find the work of
Steven Holders with us here on the Payless Slickers hotline.
Stephen Trade deadline six days away. We saw a couple
of moves around the league here earlier this week. The Colts,
we wait and see, what do you think would be
a reason why they would not make a move? Well,
I just strive draft picks.

Speaker 8 (48:08):
Yeah they do. And and look, I mean I've I've
thought about this right like you know, the whole idea
that you know, Chris Ballard doesn't like to part with
his draft picks. But I was also thinking at one point,
all right, well this year, all bets are off because
you guys are about to get fired if you don't
get it together. Well, ain't nobody getting fired now? Okay,

(48:28):
I'm here to tell you if this thing keeps up,
I don't even know that that's even a topic of conversation, right.
So so therefore Chris Ballard is probably thinking long term again,
and he should be. But I just wonder, you know,
he's trying to strike that balance and he always is,
and what does that How does that influence him? I

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don't know. Now. I do think this is this is
an opportunity they've never had this season generally. So I
don't think he make a trade for the sake of
making the trade. It has to be something that makes
a difference. I think some of these pass rushers that
have been mentioned, they have guys like that already, you know,

(49:10):
and you'd just be adding more of what you already
have and there's only so many snaps. Does that make
a concerted difference in the outcome? I don't think so.
Now if you can get someone that is a game changer,
and then that's a different conversation, and there you're willing
to give up a more substance of package of picks, obviously,
But I hesitate to predict they're going to make a move,

(49:33):
just because I don't know that the moves that will
make a difference for them are our move that Chris
Ballard would entertain. But we'll see.

Speaker 2 (49:43):
It's talking to Stephenholder ESPN dot com here on the
Payless Slickers hotline. Could you imagine you and I having
a conversation over coffee three years ago and I say,
you know, don't worry about anything, Steven. In a few
years Daniel Jones will be starting at quarterback for the Colts.
They're going to be seven to one. They'll be taking
on Pittsburgh quarterback by Aaron Rodgers. Could you have imagined
that conversation over coffee three years ago.

Speaker 7 (50:04):
No.

Speaker 8 (50:04):
I think one of the things that that I think
has changed so much in the NFL in recent years
is the quarterback movement. You know, and there was there's
always been quarterback movement, right, I mean, guys play somewhere
for a long time at the end of their careers,
they move on to another place. Philip Rivers did it here,
et cetera.

Speaker 4 (50:23):
Right, But it's.

Speaker 8 (50:25):
Becoming, I think, a more frequent phenomenon now and and
and they're changing teams more often. I mean, Aaron Rodgers
is gonna this is what is thirdeam. I think this
is it. But I mean my point is it's just
become it's become a much more commonplace thing. And I
think the reason for it is. You you know, teams

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want to draft quarterbacks, clearly, but that is also such
a dicey proposition. And and when you draft them now
you're expected to play them, and that's just so hard.
I mean, we know that as much as anybody in
this market, and playing them immediately is such a hard
thing to accomplish and to do well that there are

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going to be teams that are just gonna say, we
can't afford to go that route. And you're seeing a
lot more of that now. So I don't know, I
don't know if this is making any sense, but I
just think the quarterback movement and the motivations behind it
and the dynamics of it all has evolved so much
and it continues to do that. You know consistently every year.

(51:30):
I mean, look what's happened with Daniel Jones and Sam
Donald this year will only increase. I think the likelihood
of some of this happening more and.

Speaker 4 (51:38):
More, Steven, Who is the best coach wide receiver this season?

Speaker 8 (51:44):
That is a hard question, and that's a good thing.
I mean, ask me today, ask me tomorrow, ask me Thursday,
I mean Friday. I might give you different answers. I
think I will say the most consistent is Michael Pittman Jr.

(52:05):
That's not the question, right Who's the best? I don't know.
I think I think it's whoever Sainstykein wants it to be,
you know, because a lot of it is predicated on
who do I want the ball to go to? Because
he can do that right that his scheme is very versatile.

Speaker 6 (52:22):
And then.

Speaker 8 (52:24):
Daniel Jones is doing a good job obviously of going
to the receiver that makes the most sense, so they
have a good thing going. I will say, I really
do think Michael Pittman deserves a lot of credit for
for his touchdowns this season. I think he's what got
six I believe, yep, which matches a career high. If
I'm not mistaken. I mean, that's a pretty impressive thing

(52:45):
to say about a guy who's effectively been their number
one receiver for a long time. I think that's been
a criticism of him, a very valid criticism that, like, buddy,
you got to put points on the board at that position.
When you're getting as many as he has over the
last few years, I think he has fallen very short
on the touchdowns. So for whatever reason, lots of things,

(53:09):
I think, lots of factors, I think, but him getting
into the end zone this year I think is very impressive,
and I think it's like the cherry on top and
what was missing in his game. So I give him
a lot of credit for that. I say, Michael Pittman,
I guess by default. But the ball can go to
anybody on any given day.

Speaker 3 (53:26):
Yeah, I think Alec Pierce is a decent case. I
think he's a more developed receiver than he's been early
in his career, and he still has some of the
best catches he'll see on some of those deep balls.
But then on top of that, the reason I asked
that is because talking to Pittman after Sunday's game, he said, yeah,
I'm glad to have six touchdowns and obviously he's you know,
keeping track, but at the same time he was like,

(53:48):
I have to make the play because I don't know
if I'm going to get the ball again. And I
thought that was like the most like selfish but unselfish answer.
If that makes sense.

Speaker 8 (53:58):
It is and it is the beauty of the Colts offense,
honestly and shame Stikeen says it all the time. We
want to be multiple and it sounds like coach speak,
and it is coach speak, but it's also true. He
is a big believer and not allowing a defense to
pin them down, you know. I mean it's like it's

(54:19):
maybe it's like a basketball team, right. I always use
these basketball analogies. I mean, you can go double a
guy who gets thirty a night, but if you're a
balanced scoring team, I mean take Pacers last year, right,
I mean the ball moved and everybody could score the ball. Right,
It's a little bit like that. I think those are
harder teams to defend in terms of your strategy. I'm

(54:42):
not saying you can go stop the guy who can
get thirty five at night. I'm not saying that's easy,
but you know where the ball is going right, that
you can devote resources to that you can strategize for that.
What's the strategy when the ball can go to any
one of five people any play and if none of
them get it, I'll just check it down to the

(55:02):
best running back in the NFL.

Speaker 4 (55:04):
So good luck with that, Steven. I want to go
back to you know you were saying the Colts are
the most complete team. I feel like it's more of
a Your offense is an A plus, A plus plus
plus plus, and your defense is like, I don't know,
a C plus right now, whereas other teams in the
league might have like B plus B plus for example,
or like I look at I don't know Detroit or

(55:26):
Green Bay or maybe Kansas City. Like to me, the
Colts right now are the best team in the NFL
because their offense is historically great, not because of their
overall completion. Is that where you would disagree with that?

Speaker 8 (55:41):
Well, so I get it. Yeah, the defense, I think
the eye tests on the defense raises a lot of questions.
I mean I see the same games you see, right,
I do take the injuries into account a lot, and
you know, look they are what they are. I'm not
we can't pretend they don't exist. Those guys are not
out there. So that's a real thing. Uh, what I

(56:03):
will say, and I think lou Anna Rumo alluded to this,
they're not giving up necessarily the huge numbers of points.
And then the other thing is, uh, their efficiency ratings
are pretty good.

Speaker 4 (56:19):
And and I am not looking.

Speaker 8 (56:21):
You know, James is making fun of our advanced stats
and I do too, But I will say this, I
think those things tend to ring true when you really
look at it in reality, when you look at like
who who the teams are that that rank high, and
like things like DVOA and and efficiency ratings and things
of that nature. They tend to pan out when you

(56:44):
really think about it and you really look a look
at it in depth. And I just think at the
end of the day, like they're giving up a lot
of They're giving up a lot of yards, no question
about it. So some of that is a product of
the fact that they are leading in many cases by
three touchdowns. You're going to give up yards when teams
are throwing the ball, you know, forty forty five times

(57:05):
a game, which is what they're facing, right, So I
get I think it's a little skewed. I don't think
they're a great defense, but I think they're good enough.
And I also would say, look look around the league.
There aren't a lot of teams playing playing you know, lockdown,
knockout defense right now. I mean, you know, scoring is high,

(57:26):
all these things. So I don't I don't know that
they're like a huge outlier there. I think their defense
is fine and adequate and will get better, perhaps substantially better,
you know, with some return from injuries. So you know,
I don't know what the grade is, but I think
it's it's worthy. It's they have a worthy defense, I
would say.

Speaker 3 (57:44):
According to ESPN Stats and Info, Jonathan Taylor is the
first player to have three touchdowns and a dome on
a Sunday in October since you know Willie Lee Smith
in nineteen.

Speaker 4 (57:55):
Probably true. Man, Look there's nothing room. I'm like, is
this you know.

Speaker 3 (58:04):
This English for He's just good, you know, So I
appreciate you having a little fun there, Steven.

Speaker 8 (58:11):
Hey, listen, there's a whole there's a whole department of
of nerds that are really good that stuff. So I
got to show them their love, uh, you know, some respect.

Speaker 3 (58:19):
And I have used a couple of my stories when
they fit you know what I'm writing, So thank you
for that.

Speaker 8 (58:26):
So listen, listen those guys. Those guys studied really hard
in math class, so like, hey, let's give them their problems.

Speaker 2 (58:33):
You got forty eight hours to go find a Chips
Halloween costume to answer the door in there.

Speaker 4 (58:37):
There you go, there is some short short. I was
about to say, you'll be scaring the neighbors.

Speaker 6 (58:43):
Man.

Speaker 4 (58:44):
I don't want to see you on the news all that,
Lawrence P. D oh Man. I think I think our
segment is over all right, buddy, I have a good one.

Speaker 2 (58:52):
We'll talk to you later. Stephen Holder, ESPN dot com.

Speaker 6 (58:55):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (58:55):
You know one of the things when I was working
at ESPN, every day you would walk in there was
a probably a ten twelve page packet both sides of
the paper of just odd statistical anomalies like that for
you to use or not use at your discretion. They
had an entire statistical department, several guys working night and
day to come up with stuff like that.

Speaker 3 (59:15):
One of my favorite I don't know if it's a
pastime where it's like a routine after every Colts home game,
Mike Chappelell sits a few seas down from me, and
he actually sits next to KB. But by the time
Kb's usually gone and me and chaper in there and
chaps Aw I's saying I'm writing too slow, Like what
are you still doing here?

Speaker 4 (59:33):
Both writing too slow?

Speaker 3 (59:35):
And then Hayden Clark, who Kevin knows is like the
Colts stats guy who by yes, shout out to Hayden Clark.
He'll walk by and then I'll see Chap hold this
piece of paper up with all the little stats to
give us after the game about the Colts, and he's like,
I just got one little question about this thing here,
and then I'll go over it and chap will find
not like a mistake, but he'd be like, did you

(59:55):
account for this? Did this since the team moved to
Indianapolis in ninet eighty four, is in the Super Bowl era?
Get a little more context here, And I'm like, that
is a man who loves accuracy and loves his stats.

Speaker 4 (01:00:06):
Chap and Michael Presty, longtime legend in the state as
a sports honestly nationally as a writer. He's taking it
down from Mike Chapel. Those two thumb through the Media
Guide like Mark Dyke and thumbs through Playboys, they're still
around physical copies.

Speaker 2 (01:00:23):
You got any of those in your basement?

Speaker 4 (01:00:27):
Are you talking about? Are you talking about the Playboys? Mark?
I don't know.

Speaker 5 (01:00:31):
You tell me no, those are long. Well I think
my mom threw those out. She found him and threw
them out. Those are my w W Diva ones.

Speaker 4 (01:00:39):
Keep them there. Mark's climbing on the waste management truck,
writing it down God neighborhood to get them back. There's
valuables in there.

Speaker 2 (01:00:49):
What are you gonna be for Halloween? As you walk
the kids out there?

Speaker 4 (01:00:51):
Anything?

Speaker 5 (01:00:53):
I've got a couple ideas. I'm not sure exactly which
way we're going yet, so we'll have to see if
the Amazon truck delivers on time. Like guess we're playing
that game of risk, so we'll see.

Speaker 6 (01:01:03):
Oh.

Speaker 2 (01:01:03):
One of my favorites that the boys and I did,
I don't know. They were probably nine and ten that year.
We were all Ghostbusters.

Speaker 4 (01:01:10):
That was kind of fun. That's a solid one was Ghostbuster.

Speaker 9 (01:01:12):
Growing up.

Speaker 4 (01:01:12):
I was Jim Carrey the mask at one point. Oh,
that's cool. You have to put in makeup on. Wow.

Speaker 2 (01:01:21):
On that note, Mark, let's go.

Speaker 3 (01:01:26):
Kevin you can punch him.

Speaker 4 (01:01:30):
What was that, Kevin? You can punch him if you
want to.

Speaker 6 (01:01:32):
Wow.

Speaker 4 (01:01:34):
You know, like brothers, you gotta le him duke it out.

Speaker 2 (01:01:36):
Every now and this all of a sudden, this is
going to turn into a waffle house Friday night.

Speaker 4 (01:01:40):
If we're not Karl, I have anything nice to say,
don't say anything at all. I learned that from my
mother at a young age. Ah right, we learn that
less whatever.

Speaker 7 (01:01:47):
I like.

Speaker 2 (01:01:49):
NFL Colts at Steelers Sunday afternoon, one o'clock. Uh, it'll
be a seven and one team the Colts. Man, Can
they really start to set themselves up for I know
this sounds crazy only eight games into the season, Kevin.
They can start setting themselves up for home field advantage
and some playoff games over these next four or five weeks.
Here how many games of the Colts win last year?

Speaker 4 (01:02:09):
Eight?

Speaker 8 (01:02:10):
Eight?

Speaker 4 (01:02:11):
So they can tie their win total by week nine
on November second. Yeah, that's crazy. How crazy is that?
I had him winning nine games? Hell, they might already
get there by before their bye week. Yeah, special stuff. Mark.

Speaker 2 (01:02:27):
Remember when everybody made fun of me for for saying
they could win ten and then I said, kind of
off the cuff. Who knows eleven? And you guys held
me to that for a long time.

Speaker 4 (01:02:35):
Yeah at fifteen and one for two.

Speaker 5 (01:02:38):
No, no one ever said fifteen the ad Mitchell yeah
one for such counter is still still happening, but it's
still live.

Speaker 4 (01:02:45):
That could happen, still live. No, that could not happen.
I'll tell you what.

Speaker 2 (01:02:49):
He doesn't drop that football, which is the most ad
Mitchell thing ever.

Speaker 3 (01:02:52):
He still wasn't going to get eighty catches.

Speaker 2 (01:02:53):
I don't know, man, that guy is incredibly talented.

Speaker 4 (01:02:56):
You'd like to win total and move on to take you.

Speaker 2 (01:03:01):
I still like his career down the road, man, I
really do. Maybe I'm too early on it, but anyway,
one o'clock Sunday afternoon, Colts at Steelers. Our pregame coverage
here on the fan begins at ten a m. As
far as our coverage to the Indiana Pacers, it resumes
later on tonight, also at eight pm this evening with
the pregame Mark Boyle and Pat Boiling and then Tip

(01:03:21):
at eight point thirty their first chance to take on
Cooper flag and who knows what the starting five is
going to look like. Kevin Bowen, you want to take
a shot Mark.

Speaker 4 (01:03:28):
Thank you for clarifying that I've never punched you in
the YouTube chat as someone someone asks, Yeah, that's it's
all in fun. Actually, yeah, we're friends here. I punched
Mark one three or four times my kids.

Speaker 7 (01:03:40):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:03:40):
Here we are seven am every morning. Yeah, I have
no freaking idea starting lineup. Shepherd Niece Smith, Siakam Huff Jackson.
Didn't Rick Carlisle say they might go bigger with Dallas.

Speaker 3 (01:03:52):
Yeah, And I got a flight to catch to Dallas
later today because I got my Hallo burdens in my
backpack here, So we'll we'll get out there.

Speaker 4 (01:03:58):
Mac McClung over under twenty and a half minutes tonight. Oh,
I'm gonna go. I'm gonna go.

Speaker 2 (01:04:03):
Oh first one, I'll stay under probably like sixteen to eighteen.
That's a good number. Kevin, Oh, I might take the over.

Speaker 4 (01:04:10):
They have no guards. Yeah, it's like him and Ray
J Dennis. Yeah. I thought Rick spoke decently highly of him.
I thought Scott Agnes reported Monty Morris and Cody Martin
the other two in the workout yesterday, that mac McClung
won there. So yeah, Pacer seven point underdog and the
big news yesterday on that injury report. Two things I
guess ben Nick Matheren listed as week to week and
obi top and stress reaction in the foot will miss

(01:04:33):
at least a month. So you're looking at, at the minimum,
just under twenty games, and I stressed at the minimum.

Speaker 5 (01:04:42):
Their starting lineup is like if you guys have played
like the most recent like Madden or NBA Live games,
there's like where you can play the trade the Ultimate
team where you get the trading cards and you start
it and usually get like one really good player and
then the rest of crap or like in like the
fifties and sixties, like I gotta build this team up.
That's kind of what they're is looking like at the moment.
We're like I have Ray J Dennis here, I've Mac.

Speaker 4 (01:05:03):
Mclung, and I get more listeners if I punched Mark
once a week on the YouTube camera or vice versa.
I'm all for the views, so we can do that.
Trust me. At times we've been desperate for some asking.

Speaker 3 (01:05:16):
To make our own little w WE segment for the
HR folks listening.

Speaker 2 (01:05:20):
I do not sanction any of this, and I'm advising
both of them to not do that.

Speaker 4 (01:05:24):
Snitch Jeff.

Speaker 2 (01:05:25):
Listeners are listeners, right, I mean, come on, clicks or
clicks right. I'm just saying I'm the one that would
get in trouble.

Speaker 4 (01:05:32):
You guys wouldn't even get the room.

Speaker 3 (01:05:33):
Oh my goodness, out dad has ruined the fun.

Speaker 2 (01:05:39):
Uh think about this though, I'm looking at it right now.
Andrew Nemhart out, Benedict Matherin out, Johnny Furfey out, Obi
top and out. Uh, Taylor Peter day to day just
goes on and on and on. That's not even counting
the Halliburton News out for the whole year. Welcome to
the Pacers this year. That's where we're at, all right.
Let's check out some college basketball last night, one game

(01:06:00):
in the state, Valpo over Brescia one oh four to
sixty two.

Speaker 5 (01:06:04):
Later on tonight, though, keep saying like someone sneezer saying, lession,
I know what it sounds like.

Speaker 2 (01:06:08):
Indiana State will be up at hinkl. That one starts
at seven six thirty airtime on our sister station, Fuego
ninety two point seven, and Indianapolis makes their way up
the highway to go to West Loafaiette. I'll take on Perdue.
That one also starts at seven o'clock. If you want
to watch some Purdue boiler Maker basketball their final I

(01:06:29):
think it's their last exhibition game.

Speaker 4 (01:06:31):
I believe it's a big ten plus for Perdue. All right.

Speaker 2 (01:06:35):
Major League Baseball. Last night World Series Toronto Blue Jays
evened up the series at two apiece. They beat shohe
Otani and the Dodgers by a score of six to two.
TONI made one mistake in that second inning last night,
and Vladgeroo Junior did not let it get away. Kevin Man,
he took that one off.

Speaker 4 (01:06:53):
Yeah, I'm lad quite the shot there by the Blue
Jays star. So I think we've gotten great theater, the
stars that have risen to the stage of what the
Fall Classic goes all about. So to too. And now
we go back to our Game one matchup here tonight,
final game in LA and we know we'll at least
have a Game six in Toronto, and we'll see we'll
have our first seven game World Series. And I think

(01:07:13):
it's like six or seven years.

Speaker 5 (01:07:14):
Did you guys see that the Dodgers have recouped the
salary of Shoho Tani in just two years, that big
money contract that all the MLB teams were afraid to
hand out. They've recooped it and then some in just
two years. And in two years he's barely pitched. Isn't
that wild? Yeah, Like every owner is like, oh, we
can't pay that, that's insane. And then it's like, look

(01:07:35):
at all the endorsements and all the international deals and
all that stuff.

Speaker 4 (01:07:38):
He's a superstar. Yeah, he's just fun to watch.

Speaker 2 (01:07:41):
So like what idiots Smoltz was talking about him last
night that underneath all of it, it's the kid that
grew up in the backyard with his dad who just
has fun playing baseball.

Speaker 3 (01:07:50):
Didn't have much fun last night show. Hey, get it together, brother.
As a lifelong Dodgers fan of the last two days,
get it together, alright?

Speaker 2 (01:08:00):
Anybody up for a rematch of Manny Pacio and Floyd
Mayweather Junior No. Forty six and forty eight, they would
be we can hit the.

Speaker 4 (01:08:08):
Brake now, two relics fighting each other in Dinosaur. What
streaming service is this on?

Speaker 2 (01:08:13):
They fought in twenty and fifteen and they were too
old for that fight. If you remember that was that
was like five seven years overdue. The definition of live
sports is really stretching.

Speaker 4 (01:08:25):
They have alive on that.

Speaker 2 (01:08:27):
I don't think they're gonna do it, but Manny Pacio
was throwing it out there last night. So that's what's
happening in the world of sports. We'll check in on
the Colts again coming up in a moment, and also
what the Pacers are going to do for a starting
lineup tonight. What your feedback as well, two three nine
ten seventy on the fan text line two three nine
ten seventy. We'll get some of those as we continue
here on a Wednesday morning. Mark's safe to say that

(01:08:50):
Al Bundy is one of the great characters all time
on sitcoms Uh huh, man can I would agree? Four touchdown, Polka.

Speaker 5 (01:09:01):
I tried to be like Bluie's dad. I try to
like replicate that parentship, and I turned into Al Bundy
more than others alone Marsh Stan Marsh's dad, Randy.

Speaker 2 (01:09:12):
Did you ever have a chance to watch that show?
Very much?

Speaker 4 (01:09:14):
Kevin? Is that Frank Sinatra Mark.

Speaker 5 (01:09:17):
Is Married with Children a nineties classic and introduced the
world to Christina Applegate back in the day.

Speaker 4 (01:09:22):
Okay, Mark Dyton TV theme song re entries throughout this
show today excellent, Just for the heck of it.

Speaker 6 (01:09:30):
I like it.

Speaker 4 (01:09:31):
I'm liking it a lot.

Speaker 2 (01:09:32):
Give us your feedback. Two three, nine, ten seventy on
the fan text line, guys, the Indianapolis Colts taking on
the Pittsburgh Steelers Sunday afternoon at one o'clock, going on
the road, and what'd you say?

Speaker 6 (01:09:42):
This spread was?

Speaker 2 (01:09:43):
Right now?

Speaker 4 (01:09:43):
Covin favored by a field goal. The Colts have won
in Pittsburgh one time since moving here. I want to
say it was eight years, yes, but you know, honestly
lost several times with Peyton at in Pittsburgh there, so
I think it was Dominique Rhodes had a notable game.

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So yeah, it has not been a place I remember
Antonio Brown humping the goalpost after a punt return for
a touchdown one year. I think the cult are actually heavy,
not a heavy favorite, but I think it was the
other time they were favored there. I want to say
it was with luck maybe that AFC title year.

Speaker 2 (01:10:19):
Where was that even rank in the top five of
Antonio Brown's craziest moments? Does it even make the top five?

Speaker 4 (01:10:25):
Probably does not? Good thing Joe Buck wasn't on the
call for that one, because if he was anything like
a random Moss call back in the day.

Speaker 2 (01:10:32):
I didn't he say it was discussed disgusting display.

Speaker 3 (01:10:36):
Yeah, Honestly, like looking at the playback, you would think
the man I literally stripped down. Well he did was
just pretend to do something.

Speaker 2 (01:10:43):
Basically what he was doing in the context at the
time was every time opposing uh, they would they would
take the bust there, Opposing fans on the way out
of the game would always, you know, show him the backside.
So that's kind of what he was.

Speaker 4 (01:10:56):
Change taking his own the Steelers. From a scoring standpoint,
what you're say, he's gonna show him his backside? Yeah, maybe,
And if you listen to Pittsburgh right now, it is
dire from a defensive standpoint.

Speaker 3 (01:11:06):
I tucked to one of my buddies who covers them,
Mike de Faybo, this week that hopped on his podcast,
and he was saying, Yeah, they're worried about what this
offense could do to their defense, and the understanding that
I have is that their defense doesn't really change. And
it's probably a similar approach to what we saw from
the Chargers, where they're going to play their certain style

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and hope that they're just better at you and executing it.
But they don't really change much according to what Mike
was telling me. So shout out to Mike de Fabo.
But yeah, they're not feeling good about this defense at all,
like at all when it comes to what's happening. And
like you said earlier in the show, Kevin, when you
can act questions to my Tomlin, hey, are you gonna
take over defensive play calling, they'll let you know how

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dire things are for a team that historically is you'ed
as the rough and tough Steelers, they're not that this year.

Speaker 4 (01:11:56):
Thirty five nothing, thirty five thirty twenty seven. Those are
the point total Stych put up against Mike Tomlin and
Tara Austin's their defensive coordinator each of the last three years.
So I was a watch Sunday Night football. You saw
Jordan Love completed twenty straight passes at one point. I
want to say the number is. I think I looked
it up. One hundred and fifty six straight passes without

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an interception by the Steelers defense here, and they lost
one of their better defenders to Shawn Elliott in the
back end. He got hurt in that huge play by
Tucker Craft on Sunday Night Football, and he is one
of their key guys. So I saw the Dania Laski
quote earlier this week. I often look at the Steelers
defensive tape and write down the note what are they
doing here? So they made a trade at this too.

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They picked up Kyle Dugger which, speaking of Mark Dyton
and I in a punching match, Kyle Duggar, right, that's
who trade blows with Michael Pittman Junior a few years
ago inside of Lucasolo Stadium. I believe both got tossed
from that game. I always saw Pittman shouldn't have been tossed,
but I think I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:12:58):
Douger hadn't even been playing for Mike ray all that much.
They give him the seventh rounder and a pick swap.

Speaker 4 (01:13:03):
Yeah, kind of falling out of favor, So I don't know.
Maybe dougarl will be playing notable snatd. I mean, Pittsburgh
has always, I think, kind of been this team, but
they're always kind of that old team, you know, a
bunch of dudes that are I mean, Cameron Hayward is
still in the league, which is amazing. So honestly, I
think the only real worry. I get the Pittsburgh's four
and three. For me, it's I do think Jalen Warren
is a really nice running back and can kind of

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impact into the passing game as well. And they have
some tight ends. Oh, dk Metcalf is still a problem, right,
so you know that in general is a little bit
of a concern, and just don't let TJ. Watt wreck it.
You know they do still have TJ. Watt and you
know the Colts did a great job on Max Crosby
a few weeks ago, So that sort of game plan there,
because if you can limit Watt, then it should be

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an absolute field day for this Colts offense.

Speaker 2 (01:13:48):
Yeah, all right, coming up a few minutes, we'll talk
more about the Pacers getting ready to take on the
Dallas Mavericks School. Here Michael Pittman Junior talk about his
running back Jonathan Taylor and some of the things the
Colts have been doing on offense. As we rolled up
with the morning as well, Tony East could have joined
us the top of the hour, and we have lots
of salary cap questions with injuries and stuff like that,
to ask him see if he can help us out there.

(01:14:09):
We'll do it all as we continue on ninety three
five and one O seven five the Fan. So Mark
you uh, I have taken your kids to Disney World recently, right?

Speaker 7 (01:14:17):
Uh huh?

Speaker 2 (01:14:18):
Did you guys go to Hollywood Studios in the Muppet
Theater there it's gone, oh locked it down. Wow, the
last time we went. We went to it because it
was the last time we're going to see it becauseyeah,
they've knocked it down. They're gonna build a couple new
roller coasters there, so it is no longer there. It
is just a pile of bricks. Oh man, did you
do the Star Wars thing?

Speaker 6 (01:14:37):
Uh?

Speaker 5 (01:14:38):
Yes, we did that, so that was fun. Girls enjoyed it.
So yeah, we did all that stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:14:43):
Had a little corner over there in Hollywood Studios Tower
of Tear and Rock and roller Coaster. That's my favorite
place to go.

Speaker 5 (01:14:49):
Rock and roller Coaster is going to be a new
Muppets roller coaster themes soon and yeah, Tower Tear is
still there, scaring the bejeez is out of people.

Speaker 4 (01:14:55):
I think James would like Tower of Tear. Do you
like heights, James?

Speaker 8 (01:14:59):
No?

Speaker 4 (01:15:00):
Then probably not.

Speaker 2 (01:15:00):
About being you know, you raise, you go up and
up and basically what is a huge elevator in chairs
and you can see out and it goes all black
and dark, and maybe you're falling four stories, maybe you're
rising four stories. You're suspended there.

Speaker 4 (01:15:17):
You don't know when it's going to happen. So marg
just asked me if I like heights.

Speaker 3 (01:15:20):
I said no, And then you asked me if I
like heights when falling stories at once?

Speaker 4 (01:15:24):
And then again I.

Speaker 2 (01:15:25):
Want to I want to see a visceral reaction as
I even explain it to you.

Speaker 3 (01:15:29):
No, but I will say I took a trip to
the Sea and Tower and I went to Toronto for
the one time, and I went all the way up
to the top. I think it's like the tallest building
in the Western Hemisphere. That was pretty cool. But again,
you're like in a structure, did you step on the
sea through parts?

Speaker 5 (01:15:42):
Yeah, I went all the way to the top, all
the way up to but you don't have to step
on the sea through part on the bottom.

Speaker 4 (01:15:46):
And I was thinking, hey, you know we went there
when I was a kid. We'll be rich.

Speaker 5 (01:15:51):
I looked and I remember there was I was there
and I was watching kids standing on there's kids standing
on it and then.

Speaker 4 (01:15:57):
Jumping on it. I said, you are insane. Yeah, where
are your parents?

Speaker 2 (01:16:01):
You guys are Chicago guys. You ever gone up to
the I don't know what they call it now. My
wife's office is actually in there, but the old Sears Tower.

Speaker 4 (01:16:07):
It's still the Seers Tower.

Speaker 2 (01:16:08):
You go to the very top and you can kind
of lean over to the fires. Bueller thing when you're
kind of lean over and see all the way down?
Is that mess you up at all?

Speaker 4 (01:16:15):
I have not done it.

Speaker 5 (01:16:16):
I've seen the videos of it. I don't know if
I would do it necessarily, but it looks interesting.

Speaker 7 (01:16:21):
I do the.

Speaker 4 (01:16:22):
Treehouse at the Children's Museum. That's enough for you, It's
enough for me. Or looking out the elevator window in
the Lucosoil Stadium press box the treehouse.

Speaker 5 (01:16:30):
And the Children's m is it clusterphobic because the kids
are running all over the place. I'm like, how am
I getting down.

Speaker 4 (01:16:35):
From here and run over by a bunch of three
and a half year old?

Speaker 6 (01:16:38):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:16:38):
I'm not a big heights fan either. But one time
a while back, I was in Las Vegas and I
did that big shot where you go way up. It's
on top of the stratosphere and you go up, up, up,
and it just you hover there for like three to
five seconds. You don't know when it's going to drop,
and then it just does and you'll probably a thousand

(01:17:00):
feet up in the air. No, thank you, I'm not exaggerating, James.

Speaker 4 (01:17:03):
It's like a thousand feet up in the air.

Speaker 5 (01:17:05):
You're not a heightsky, but you did that. That's you
seem like a heightsky because I wouldn't do.

Speaker 2 (01:17:09):
No, because it's about this is terrifying to me.

Speaker 4 (01:17:12):
I think I have to do it. I'll meet you
at the tables. Yeah, I'll be at the bar. Well,
I did it.

Speaker 2 (01:17:18):
I crossed it off my list and that's that.

Speaker 4 (01:17:20):
So how about that?

Speaker 2 (01:17:22):
The Colts getting ready to take on the Steelers on
Sunday afternoon. Michael Pittman Junior was on Serious XM NFL
Radio yesterday that were talking to him about this incredible
seven and one start in the offense and how things
are going, and the subject whether or not Jonathan Taylor
could be an MVP at running back in a day
and age where only quarterbacks when that award was brought up.
Here was Michael Pittman Junior's thoughts on Jonathan Taylor in.

Speaker 7 (01:17:45):
His season, I think if they can consider more than
just quarterbacks to be the MVP, I mean I think
he's no question like he's on that path and well
he's able to do each game, each and every game consistently.
I mean, I haven't seen that really in my life
time watching football. I mean, like I know there's great
players before, but I'm talking about like when I'm actually

(01:18:05):
watching it, just like I haven't seen it before. And
like just the things that he's doing, I mean, I
mean he's insane, and like he does it so nonchalantly,
Like on that eighty yard run, I'm like, oh, that's
gonna be a nice fifteen yard run. And then he
breaks the tackle. Okay, i gotta be a nice thirty
yard run. And then he snatches like somebody's hand and
holds it off him and breaks it for eighty I'm like,
oh my gosh, like like how did he just do that?

(01:18:28):
Just the things he's doing, I mean, nothing really surprises
me now, Like if he wants to impress me, like
he's gonna have to score five touchdowns.

Speaker 2 (01:18:35):
Jonathan Taylor impressing his teammates, impressing everyone else. And you know,
the one thing I will say is Michael Pittman Jr.

Speaker 4 (01:18:42):
I was watching some.

Speaker 2 (01:18:43):
Breakdowns of some of the big runs that Jonathan Taylor
had this past weekend, and Pittman, he's the most louch
at bock blocking. He'll steal an edge. But how much
fun must it be, Kevin, for whether you're offensive lineman
like Quintin Nelson, or you're a wide receiver or even
a tight end like moele Cox, to know that if
you just hold that block, there's a better than average

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chance that if your guy gets to the second level,
it is over.

Speaker 4 (01:19:09):
I would guess very fun. I like the most Outstanding
Player change of the acronym from MVP to MOP. I
know we do that in the Final four. I kind
of like that suggestion from listener Aaron this week. It's
kind of wild, James. I don't want to make too
much of what happened, but then I think the numbers
would back this up. Since Jonathan Taylor dropped that ball

(01:19:32):
in Denver, I believe this is the best stretch of
his entire career. It's kind of wild how that played out,
that obviously probably ended the Colt's playoff chances, and all
of a sudden and again Taylor would never reveal anything
from a whatever that and you know, I don't want
to make too much of that sparked all of a

(01:19:53):
sudden him taking his game to another level. I don't
want to say that, but the numbers do indicate that.

Speaker 3 (01:19:59):
So your point, I think is just how that's probably
the bigger one. The most boring point is that he's
healthy and he's also playing an offense that, like I
talked about earlier this week, you really can't account for
him alone. This isn't some of the offenses we saw
with the Titans where years ago and they had Derrick Henry,
it was Okay, they're going to hand him the rock

(01:20:20):
thirty times, and they're gonna hope that Ryan Tannehill, who
was a pretty good quarterback during that time, make a
couple of throws keep the defense a little bit honest.
But we all know the ball is going to twenty
two Derrick Henry whars. But Jonathan Taylor. You can't really
have that security. You don't go into the game thinking, Okay,
we know for a fact JT's gonna carry the ball
thirty times. I don't even know if he's got thirty

(01:20:42):
carriers in the game this year or thirty touches. A
lot of it is we're going to gas you on
the opening drive with a lot of throws, because they
seem to always come start the game throwing the ball,
and then when you think you can relax on that, oh,
here's JT popping a ten yard run, twelve yard running
in the last.

Speaker 4 (01:20:57):
Couple of weeks.

Speaker 3 (01:20:58):
It's always that big break where he can just you know,
show off being one of the fastest players in the
NFL despite being a bigger player too. I mean, he's
running faster than wide receivers who are probably fifty pounds
lighter than him. So a special player, special offense. I mean,
the Colts right now are averaging I believe it's something
crazy like three point sixty four yards I mean yards,
I'm sorry, points per possession, which is like the highest

(01:21:19):
pace of any team in the last twenty five years.

Speaker 4 (01:21:23):
So they're operating at a very elite level.

Speaker 2 (01:21:26):
It's certainly fun for us to watch. It's got to
be fun to take part in as well. But that
was Michael Pittman Junior on Serious XM NFL Radio talking
about Jonathan Taylor. Shane h writes as Kevin the last
victory in Pittsburgh for the Colts before two thousand and
eight was nineteen sixty eight. I haven't verified that, but
that's what Shane is writing in there.

Speaker 4 (01:21:47):
Yeah, I know they've only won one time there as
a member of the Anapolis Colts, but granted this opportunity.
You know, Pittsburgh seems to be really, really really and
again particularly on the defensive side of the ball, So
it's a a comportunity for the Colts coming up on Sunday. Reminder,
they will go to Berlin next week, that is Colts Falcons,
and then the bye week is after that. I mean,

(01:22:08):
you can look at Pittsburgh really, they've been very good
in the red zone and their turnover ratio is pretty good.
Outside of that, they really do nothing very good on
either side of the ball, frankly, I mean they're not
top ten, top half of the league and really anything
again red zone, which you know, we know how much
that matters the Colts earlier in the year versus the
Colts now and defensively, I think that's what's kind of

(01:22:31):
saved the Colts in a lot of these games. But yeah,
it's it is a time right now for the Pittsburgh
Steelers where they're reeling a bit.

Speaker 2 (01:22:40):
Yeah, Kate agrees with you. She says, let's just call
it the MVQ Most Valuable Quarterback, then give JT the MVP.

Speaker 4 (01:22:48):
That's Kate.

Speaker 2 (01:22:50):
I don't think any of us gonna argue with that.
I think we've all decided on I did look.

Speaker 3 (01:22:54):
At the MVP odds because we had a story coming
on in the Athletic about that, because they were reaching
out to me to run a little blurb on why
j T is probably deserving at this point. And I
believe Daniel Jones was like fifth.

Speaker 4 (01:23:04):
Mar j JS. I thought, Mark, you said j T
was fourth, Well.

Speaker 3 (01:23:08):
We had it and like I don't know, we used
like to think bet MGM or something like that. So
bet MGM has it. Where the last time I checked,
Daniel Jones was still ahead of j T. And I
would say it's probably because of the QB tags. Now
he has dropped to sixth. It looks like according to
FanDuel Mahomes, he was fourth. Yeh, that's how much it's fluctuating.

(01:23:29):
He was twelfth on Monday yesterday he was fourth. Now
he's sixth, So now it's Mahomes. Allen Drake May Stafford,
Jordan Love, and Jonathan Taylor.

Speaker 4 (01:23:38):
What did he turn an ankle on an off day?
How does he go from fourth to six.

Speaker 5 (01:23:42):
I don't know, dar twelfth to fourth to sixth. So
I guess what they're saying is make those MVP odd
bets now, because those seemed to fluctuate on a daily basis.

Speaker 2 (01:23:52):
Terry Rozier been busy getting the quarterbacks up to speed
in the Jameson odds.

Speaker 4 (01:23:57):
I guess, I don't know. It sounds like my weight. Well,
he's right around the corner, my friend.

Speaker 2 (01:24:03):
Uh coming up. At a moment, Tony Easts is gonna
stop by and give us some clarity on what the
Pacers can do as far as their salary cap situation,
because they're just trying to find warm bodies to play
basketball games right now. We'll talk about it as we continue.
On a Wednesday morning at ninety three five and one seven,
fan win or wake up in the moment and the

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long it's out the water.

Speaker 3 (01:24:25):
I don't think I'll ever make it on time.

Speaker 2 (01:24:28):
Boy, sid I got a book set.

Speaker 4 (01:24:30):
I give myself a look.

Speaker 7 (01:24:31):
Im in the corner just in time to.

Speaker 4 (01:24:32):
See the boss time.

Speaker 2 (01:24:35):
It's all right because I'm saying on the bill, if
the teacher bops.

Speaker 4 (01:24:41):
A test and I know I'm in a mess, and I'm.

Speaker 2 (01:24:43):
Talking on my homework last night riding on my chair,
they o Mark Dyton another blast from the TV passed there.

Speaker 5 (01:24:52):
Oh god, I thought every high school girl was gonna
art Kelly Kapowski back in the day.

Speaker 4 (01:24:56):
But I can't wait to get to high school. Mark's
have been Lisa Turtle walks around the corner. Oh yeah,
shout out screech Dick Belding as the president principal. I
should say.

Speaker 2 (01:25:09):
Good Times Marks another good show.

Speaker 4 (01:25:12):
Good Times is also very jj J. What was the
name j J?

Speaker 2 (01:25:16):
I forget what was his last name was. I'll think
about it a minute.

Speaker 4 (01:25:18):
But anyway, say by the Bells probably what I've consumed
the most in my life, frankly, of any TV show. Okay,
I am trying to think of mine. I would venture
to guess.

Speaker 3 (01:25:29):
I might go Martin or the Wayne's Bros. Wayne Wayne Frows,
I love my favorite one. Yeah, those are the two
back on the w.

Speaker 2 (01:25:38):
B one of my favorites. Speaking of those guys, John
with Fridays, did you ever ever watched its?

Speaker 4 (01:25:43):
Probably before your time Fridays It was.

Speaker 2 (01:25:45):
Kind of a the Foxes answer to Saturday to uh,
Saturday Night Live. It was in Living Colors, said Friday,
like the movies there was there was there was a
show Colors Friday, and then that was like in the
eighties in Living Color.

Speaker 4 (01:25:57):
Was also reading Living Color. Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:25:59):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (01:26:00):
Tony East joins us now in the payloff Stickers hot line. Tony,
what was your favorite kind of go to fun TV
show back.

Speaker 4 (01:26:05):
In the day.

Speaker 9 (01:26:08):
I wasn't as cool as you, guys. I was just
a dorky cartoon kid.

Speaker 4 (01:26:11):
That's all right. What cartoons? Did you like? Rocket Power?
I did like Rocket Power quite a bit.

Speaker 7 (01:26:16):
That's a good show.

Speaker 9 (01:26:20):
I honestly don't know if I could pick a favorite.
This is not an easy decision.

Speaker 4 (01:26:23):
All right, Well, we'll get back to you on that.
It was a guitar hero all American, Tony East, I
think it was people forget about that. I did not
know this. Can you explain the bas what do you
mean Jonathan Taylor guitar?

Speaker 2 (01:26:36):
I really didn't know Daniel Jones and Jonathan Taylor had
a baby.

Speaker 4 (01:26:40):
For guitars, it'd be Tony East. Tony, can you explain
this guitar hero tutorials, right, Yeah.

Speaker 9 (01:26:47):
That's the first way I made money was being one
of the best players in the game and uploading videos
to YouTube. Good times, Good Time.

Speaker 4 (01:26:53):
You are such a.

Speaker 3 (01:26:54):
Unique person, and I mean that as a compliment, Tony.

Speaker 4 (01:26:57):
Can you play a real guitar? I asked that in
all seriousness.

Speaker 9 (01:27:01):
No, I cannot, which is part of the embarrassing answer
to that, Okay, I cannot.

Speaker 2 (01:27:06):
This didn't inspire you to actually learn how to play guitar.

Speaker 9 (01:27:09):
They're very different experiences. The strings go a different direction.
There's yeah, no there, it's very different. I don't even
know how or why guitar goro became a thing in
my life, but it happened so fast.

Speaker 2 (01:27:22):
Uh, it's crazy.

Speaker 7 (01:27:24):
It's crazy.

Speaker 9 (01:27:24):
What's happened to that game?

Speaker 2 (01:27:25):
Yeah, I'll tell you. What also has happened so fast, Tony,
is the dwindling of the roster for the Indiana Pacers
that I was smooth transition.

Speaker 4 (01:27:34):
It's just getting beautiful.

Speaker 2 (01:27:36):
It's just getting insane, though, Tony, isn't it. I mean,
we've never seen anything like this for the Pacers before,
have we?

Speaker 9 (01:27:42):
And it's really crazy. I mean, and and you know,
every time I'm talking about their injury situation. I'm trying
to run through all the players that are hurt, like
I forget somebody because there's so many guys. I can't
recall them all off the top of my head. And
you know, it's just it's remarkable and specifically for their
situation now they you know, last year they had all

(01:28:03):
the center injuries early in the season, right, everybody was
hurt at center, so when Miles would miss a game,
that were just toast and they to make all these moves.
This year it's guard and it's literally everybody. It's not
just point guards where last year was center. It's both
guards sponsored on a four guards total and a one
they just signed. It's just it's crazy how much they've
already had to do something to just feel the team.

Speaker 4 (01:28:23):
That makes any sense, Tony. We saw the mac McClung
news of course yesterday. Are they in the qualification at
all for the medical hardship? Like, could we see and
now I'm dating back to by India in a fever
season this year, could we see like some a ten
day edition or two?

Speaker 9 (01:28:42):
Yeah, the heart the heartship world are different for NBA
and WNBA. There is an NBA version you have to
have four guys missed three games, and those four guys
have to be out for two more weeks from the
time of their missing their third game, which is confusing
for the Pacers because some of their guys who have
already missed three games may not be out for two
more weeks. We'll see what happens on that reevaluation date

(01:29:04):
of November ninth for TJ McConnell and Cam Jones, and
some of their guys who might be out for that
that long, like Ben Matheren and Obi Toppin have not
u been out for three games quite yet. Matheren's only
missed one game in full and on same and Toping
hasn't missed any games in foll yet because he got
hurt in the most recent games. So it depends on
the return dates for some players. It's possible that if
Jones is out for a long time and Toping the

(01:29:26):
Mathern are out for a long time, I think after
the Golden State game on Saturday, they could be eligible
for one. But you know, if Jones isn't set to
return earlier then, or set a return close to his
reevaluation day, that might not even be possible. So It
really just depends on the timelines of their current players,
and they're gonna get pretty easily to three of the
four needed missing games, but they got to get to

(01:29:47):
the fourth if they actually get to get a hardship.
So it actually is hard for them that they have
so many injuries, yet none of them are super long term,
at least until now, and a lot of them are
players who are returning, and Jackson came back like that
actually makes it harder for hard situation. So it's still
a TVD but it's possible that by the end of
this week they do have one.

Speaker 3 (01:30:08):
Well, Tony, I do know you have a direct line
of Rick Carlisle, so just you know, get his ear
a little bit and let him know that I've been
in the gym as of late.

Speaker 4 (01:30:15):
The jumper doesn't look too great.

Speaker 3 (01:30:16):
I took a month off because of work, but I
can still get up and down the floor and offer
six fouls.

Speaker 9 (01:30:23):
Yeah, Balin's been a problem for them, So you'll fit
right in on this team this year. But man, anybody's
that bad, Like they're trying guys out already in groups,
and I told you guys that yesterday morning. Like anyone
who can play and is in some sort of shape.
Like I do wonder how much for mcclong that he
was in camp with the Bulls and had started. I
think he had one or two practices with the Windy

(01:30:44):
City Bulls, Like he doesn't have to do what we
saw in preseason like campaign until Onnwright.

Speaker 8 (01:30:50):
Like he's in game shape.

Speaker 9 (01:30:51):
Now that honestly is a boon for him.

Speaker 4 (01:30:52):
That's gonna help.

Speaker 3 (01:30:54):
So to that point, Tony, and again we have Tony.
He's joining us here on the Payosicers hotline. Tony with
Mac mcclun. We know him as the three time NBA
Slam Dunk Contest champion. But for those who an't familiar
with his actual basketball career, can you give us the
backstory there? I know he went undrafted out of Texas
Tech in twenty twenty one.

Speaker 9 (01:31:15):
Yeah, he's played for a bunch of teams for like
two seconds, right, a two way with the Lakers where
he plays one game a ten day with the Bulls
or he plays two games, right, So he's.

Speaker 7 (01:31:27):
Played for four teams.

Speaker 9 (01:31:28):
He's only played six games, and I actually believe that
this is his first standard contract ever. Every other time
he signed a contract in the NBA, it's either been
a ten day or a two way. So, you know,
that's the kind of situation that he's been in his
whole career, has been like right on that edge where
teams are interested in him, like he was on a
two way last year, The Magic said that maybe he
could help them in turn situations, but not quite good

(01:31:50):
enough where a team that's felt like he could really
break in to their rotation. I'll say this, the Matt
has paid the playoffs. Last year, they won their first
round game, they were looking good. They go down to
Ostiola to play The Magic's G League team and they
got destroyed clabbered in the game. They gave up eighty
points in the first half. Magna Clung finished with thirty
nine points and six assists. The Magic made the league finals. Now, granted,

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there's a lot of good league players who don't amount
to much in the NBA, but he's kind of like
right on that line of, you know, in between the
G League and the pros, and some of those guys
do end up being able to do something in the NBA,
like Oshan Burssett became a multi year player for the Patriots.
He was kind of right in that tier of player
as well, So it's hard to project what his IMPACT's
gonna be. His resume kind of suggests that he could

(01:32:32):
be inconsistent and not you know, ready for a major
NBA role, or maybe he is and we'll the page
off the seed, but that'll need him, Like he'll probably
be one of their four available guards today unless Taylan
Peter has recovered, you know, more than the Andrew report suggests.
So there's a chance he's already in their rotation. I
think if he's able to, you know, get off the
ball and make some shots to look good. But you
could probably say that about any guard, and so it

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will be a change to see what impacts he can provide,
because there's just not a lot of evidence to say
what that's gonna be.

Speaker 4 (01:33:00):
East locked on Pacers where you hear his voice. It
is a great listen and we are very very grateful
to have him in our market. Cover in the Pacers
and fever Tony give our audience a little bit of
intro to your latest endeavor, your newest endeavor. Probably the
best way to put it, Circle City Spin.

Speaker 7 (01:33:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 9 (01:33:20):
I started my own website because I felt like I
wasn't covering the teams the right way all the time,
especially after games, or enough quite frankly in some cases,
via writing, and so I've been publishing some stuff there,
including a really long thing I wrote yesterday about a
huge question about the James Wiseman waiver that is completely
not what you think if you read it, and I
hope it's a better way for you to learn about

(01:33:41):
the Pacers and the Fever from somebody who's covered both
teams for a long time. So it's been fun so
far and hopefully go somewhere fun. I'm having a good.

Speaker 4 (01:33:50):
Time Circle City spin again where you can find that
very simple ad Circle City Spin over.

Speaker 3 (01:33:55):
When you took on it, you'll see Tony East like
break dancing and spin in as the intro to the website,
Jack Milwaukee.

Speaker 9 (01:34:02):
I'm actually playing guitar Hero on the homepage.

Speaker 4 (01:34:06):
That might be my new homepage. After you say that, Tony,
last one for me. Do you frequent YouTube much at all?

Speaker 9 (01:34:13):
Uh?

Speaker 1 (01:34:13):
Sort of?

Speaker 6 (01:34:14):
Sort of?

Speaker 4 (01:34:15):
I feel like every intro ad is a Leah Boston
and her mom. Have you come across this commercial?

Speaker 6 (01:34:21):
I have seen?

Speaker 9 (01:34:22):
I have seen this commercial? Well, I played is it
the one where they were like sitting together before the.

Speaker 4 (01:34:26):
Game in Minnesota. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I saw that one
a lot during.

Speaker 9 (01:34:29):
The playoffs too. Yes, it is very popular and it's adorable.

Speaker 4 (01:34:32):
Her mom is very nice.

Speaker 8 (01:34:33):
I've seen that all the time.

Speaker 4 (01:34:34):
That's literally all I have. I apologize for having some
grand follow up on Hey, what's what's the latest in
w you know, league talks and CBA this and that,
But yeah, I have now signed up for circus. I
can tell you that I.

Speaker 9 (01:34:48):
Would be very very very very very very surprised if
there's an agreement by the deadline on Friday.

Speaker 4 (01:34:52):
I'll tell you that it's this Friday, right, Yeah, the
thirty first.

Speaker 2 (01:34:56):
Talking about trying to get an extent, wasn't the w
NBA talking about to get an extension? Yeah, they can
do that.

Speaker 9 (01:35:04):
Maybe that will be something that they agree to. But
like in these situations where you know, deadlines are what'sper
actions and get these people to go, But what does
an extension really do? Like, they're still going to be
negotiating even if you don't have a CBA. So I
perhaps that's the only thing we find out by Friday
they extend the deadline. But I'm not particularly confident, nor
is any reporter I've talked to than anything will be

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done by the end.

Speaker 6 (01:35:25):
Of the week.

Speaker 2 (01:35:26):
Do you think anything will be done by the time
the season rolls around in late spring?

Speaker 9 (01:35:30):
Yeah, the season will get things going, I think. But
it's always tricky too because they're they're off season so condensed.
All these players are playing in different leagues, and the
draft is right after college is done. You know, they
like they have and there's two new teams, right, they
have a lot of like external considerations to get something
done in a certain amount of time to let those

(01:35:51):
teams go and keep their lead going, especially the time
where they have a lot of momentum.

Speaker 8 (01:35:54):
But it's not gonna be.

Speaker 4 (01:35:55):
Easy, Tony. Last last one starting lineup for the Pacers
tonight is.

Speaker 8 (01:35:59):
What, oh geez?

Speaker 6 (01:36:01):
I mean?

Speaker 9 (01:36:01):
They started a different group every game so far. I
think actually there's a chance they would stick with the
same group they did in Memphis, just because Dallas also
plays a little big. But Derek Clyvely and Daniel Gafford
are doubtful, so maybe Dallas actually won't be so big.
So I'll predict that one of the point guards actually
does start this time, and it's either Dennis or Jackson.

(01:36:21):
And then Shephard D. Smith's Yackam in a center, But
I would not be surprised if they stuck with that
two center group again, just because it's one of the
only ways they can field the rotation that makes sense
of players that have been on the team for more
than two seconds.

Speaker 2 (01:36:32):
All right, Tony, go go find some late seventies and
early eighties TV sitcoms to watch and get back to us.

Speaker 4 (01:36:37):
Okay, congrats on Circle City spend Man, great great stuff.

Speaker 8 (01:36:41):
Thank you guys, Thank you Tony.

Speaker 2 (01:36:42):
He's joining us on the pay list Lookers hotline right
there as it This season could get out of hand
in a hurry for the Pacers with as many injuries
as they have piling up right now. I mean they
could be we were ten and fifteen a year ago,
but it could get a lot worse than that.

Speaker 4 (01:36:58):
Now Agatting, some people big picture would view that as
a win win. Tyry Saliburn's not playing this year. Go
back into the lottery. You get a lottery pick, you
hit on that pick, and now, all of a sudden,
the next Haliburn window might have a young talent that
maybe you wouldn't have gotten had you whatever been the
fifth or sixth seed, and others would say, I hate that.

(01:37:19):
I don't want to talk about the draft. The drafts
a crap shoot, this isn't.

Speaker 3 (01:37:23):
So Yeah, we got it years ago, had Andrey to
David Robinson. They stunk for a year and they ended
up with him Duncan.

Speaker 4 (01:37:29):
Yeah. And I mean the Thunder got Jalen Williams a
few years ago. Like that was kind of a piece
that was.

Speaker 3 (01:37:34):
Weird point about how it's not always a surefire thing.
The Warriors, I believe the year Steph Curry broke his hand,
played like five games, they ended up in a lottery.

Speaker 4 (01:37:42):
Who they draft in that lottery?

Speaker 3 (01:37:44):
Wiseman, right, Wiseman. And he hasn't amounted to pretty much
nothing in the NBA. Well, I don't want to be
rude to him, but like he hasn't amounted to being
a franchise player in the NBA.

Speaker 2 (01:37:53):
He hasn't lived up to that lofty draft position, is
what we're saying right now. But anyway, Pacers later on tonight, Mark,
let's give him more information on that. Right now, eight
pm airtime, eight thirty tip time in Dallas to take
on Cooper Flag and the Dallas Mavericks and do you

(01:38:16):
think Rick, as we wake up this morning, you think
Rick Carlisle knows who is starting five is gonna.

Speaker 4 (01:38:20):
Be Yet, well Tony pointed out, I think an important manner,
Daniel Gafford, Derek Lively, I believe both out or doubtful
for Dallas. So maybe Dallas isn't going to be having
as whatever big of a front court as maybe they
did earlier in the season when Cooper Flag was like
their point guard on opening Night. So I do think
that probably impacts some things. But yeah, I mean, it's

(01:38:40):
the sad reality of where the Pacers are at in
Game four. Again. They'll come home for back to back
this weekend, Hawks and Warriors. Miles Turner return game is Monday,
before they head out West.

Speaker 5 (01:38:52):
You think we can do like a draw the lineup
out of a hat thing? Are we getting to that
point where were just putting names in a hat draw
and like, all right, you're starting the lineup.

Speaker 4 (01:39:00):
The other night that had Huff at the four, That
to me was like again, yeah, yeah, a fan picked
the starting lineup. Boomer picked Itch. They did the key
Bank guy, they brought him on the court. Maybe they
did the lineup with him.

Speaker 2 (01:39:15):
Maybe Boomer can play some point guard. Uh, here's who's
out right now. Andrew Nemhart out, Benedict Matherin out.

Speaker 4 (01:39:21):
Joy first week on Matherin was the label there So
an NFL lingo that's usually multiple weeks. Furfy out, Obi
Topping is now out for a while, at least a month.

Speaker 2 (01:39:32):
Taylor Peter is day to day.

Speaker 4 (01:39:36):
It's crazy, I think Furfey, it's obumber. We're not seeing Furfy.
I mentioned Walker earlier as I think he's got a
great opportunity jaris Walker right now to at least get
consistent clock. You know, of all those names, of course,
you know some of them matter more than others. But uh,
I thought, you know, if Furfey could be in a
position right now where he's getting whatever, twenty twenty five
minutes a night, that could be super beneficial for a

(01:39:58):
guy that I think entering the year, we said, hey,
if everyone's healthy, it's going to be hard for him
to get minutes. Well that's not holding true, all right.

Speaker 2 (01:40:05):
That's again eight pm to night for the start eight
thirty for the tip time college basketball. This evening you
can see a couple of games. Indiana State gonna be
at Hinkle Fieldhouse, tonight in an exhibition. That one starts
at seven o'clock's against Butler. If you want to listen
to it on the radio, it'll be in our sister station,
Fuego ninety two point seven and Perdue we'll play an exhibition.
They will host Indianapolis. That one starts at seven o'clock

(01:40:27):
up in West Lafayette. So some college basketball to look
forward to later on tonight. If you want to watch
some TV, you've got World Series Action game number five
after last night, mark see we can get this one.
The Toronto Blue Jays taking on the Dodgers. The Dodgers
won that eighteen inning affair on Monday night, and then
show Hee Otani, who had reached base nine times nine times.

(01:40:49):
He was standing around and the night before had to
start as a pitcher last night, and he was hanging
in there, but made one mistake with a runner.

Speaker 4 (01:40:58):
On in Vlad Guerrero at the plate, but.

Speaker 1 (01:41:00):
Two to one swanging a ball drilled left field going
back is Straws there and he makes the catch, and
the blue Jays at time this series at two.

Speaker 4 (01:41:10):
Games apiece, well two of the way you go, Toddy du.

Speaker 1 (01:41:14):
Swang in a drive left field that one towards the
bleachers and gone. Guerrero pumps his fist, yells into the
dugout first pace side, and trucks around the bases. It's
a two run homer and Vladdie is given the Blue
Jays a two to one lead.

Speaker 2 (01:41:34):
Once again, Guys, the best players just continue to show
up at the biggest moments. It just never ceases to
amaze me how consistently the big time guys have their
moments Amazing.

Speaker 4 (01:41:45):
What happens when you pay players big money? They get
you to the World Series.

Speaker 5 (01:41:48):
If lad grow got a big contract, show hey got
a big contract. All these owners are afraid to open
the pocketbooks. But look what happens?

Speaker 4 (01:41:55):
Are you talking about anybody in particular?

Speaker 5 (01:41:57):
Nobody in particular? Couple hours of north west of US, Oh,
biblical losses, let's stick it.

Speaker 2 (01:42:08):
My favorite part about it?

Speaker 4 (01:42:09):
Do you want me to wear the T shirt?

Speaker 7 (01:42:10):
Again?

Speaker 8 (01:42:11):
Not now?

Speaker 4 (01:42:11):
Maybe it comes spring training though It's been a very
entertaining World Series, and that's all I can ask for.
As not a one hundred and sixty two night baseball
watcher by any means, as someone that will transition into
college basketball and college football very very quickly, I've enjoyed it,
so hopefully goes seven. When would game seven be? And
James tell me it's not on an NFL night?

Speaker 2 (01:42:31):
Yead, you're now a full on Major League Baseball fan
in the postseason, right.

Speaker 3 (01:42:35):
Yeah, it's like I said, as a lifelong Dodger fan.
Of the last two days, this has been very stressful
for you boys. So I did have that got the
rows and bag in his back pocket as he walks
in the I was trying to figure out should I
get some dipp or should I get the sunflowers? He's
first that he's my way into it. But yeah, I
was watching that game in all serious is over the
NBA game, which was the Bucks of the Knicks, so

(01:42:56):
kind of lets you know where my head's out. But
I also, like I told you all, I like to
be watching what everyone else is kind of watching, just
so I'm not left out for any crazy moments.

Speaker 5 (01:43:04):
So if we go seven, I mean, baseball is always like, oh,
such a slog. It takes forever. They're flying through this
World Series. Game five to night. Game six is on Halloween.
Game seven would be on Saturday. Okay, okay, I can
make that work.

Speaker 4 (01:43:17):
Yeah, I can definitely make that work, so that would
be local viewing Pacers Warriors for our Purdue football fans
out there Perdue, Michigan. I believe it's a night game
Saturday night. I don't think it's a great college football
slate at night. I want to say game days going
out West, game days out like a Utah. I don't
think it's a great, great slate. So okay, all right,
that's better than Sunday. I would be down for a
Saturday night game.

Speaker 6 (01:43:38):
Seven.

Speaker 4 (01:43:38):
Sign me up. And don't we have Bill's Chiefs this weekend?

Speaker 6 (01:43:42):
Yes?

Speaker 8 (01:43:42):
We do.

Speaker 4 (01:43:43):
Is there in our four o'clock window? That is in
the four o'clock window? Good?

Speaker 6 (01:43:47):
I like it.

Speaker 2 (01:43:48):
What are your kids going as? Did you say, Mark?

Speaker 5 (01:43:50):
I didn't say, oh you're waiting for mail too? Well, no,
I thought you were asked what I was going as,
because of course I have to dress up too. They
they've told me I have to. So I was like, okay, fine.
The oldest is going as Mario. So she's got like
the full like inflatable Yoshi that comes with it. So
she got the hat and the mustache and all that stuff.

(01:44:11):
She went this Princess Peach last year. Now she's switching
up and go Mario with Yoshi, so that's good. The
Emma the middle one is going as this character from
a Disney show called The Descendants, so she's got a
big red wig to put on. And then Nora is
going as I just have to show you a picture
of it. We were at Target and she grabbed a
werewolf mask, just an insane looking mask, and she said,

(01:44:34):
I want to be scary this year, so she might
just walk around with that and maybe like a princess
dress so she'd be some like werewolf princess.

Speaker 4 (01:44:41):
Apparently I like it.

Speaker 3 (01:44:42):
I knew it was the reason why she was. She
was always pretty cool. You know, she wants to find
a picture onths ago girls got a good head on.

Speaker 4 (01:44:48):
Her shoulders scared. Are you are your girls into this
K pop?

Speaker 7 (01:44:54):
Yes?

Speaker 5 (01:44:54):
If I've heard that Golden song one the world, that
is the hottest Halloween costume of the year. And yeah,
thank god that they had already purchased their costumes before
that took off, because yeah, I'm pretty sure they would have.

Speaker 4 (01:45:07):
All as that same roomy. I mean last night on
Roomy Soccer Field just seemed like every human there was roomy.
K Pop Demon Hunters.

Speaker 5 (01:45:15):
And every time they saw a character from that they
had to yell it out. And I'm like, okay, I
actually think the music's pretty good. I mean a K
pop fand there are some bops in there.

Speaker 4 (01:45:25):
I don't want to be purchasing any sort of Halloween
costume for it, but I actually think the music's pretty good.
What's a young single guy doing on Halloween this Friday night? Game, James?

Speaker 3 (01:45:35):
You go out as a single guy and enjoy it.

Speaker 4 (01:45:41):
As well of those viewing party situations, right almost.

Speaker 3 (01:45:43):
I ain't got to worry about no kids, so it'll
be a nice fun Friday for you.

Speaker 8 (01:45:48):
Boy.

Speaker 4 (01:45:53):
Hey, you know, like I told you all.

Speaker 2 (01:45:55):
Mark, were you here when?

Speaker 6 (01:45:57):
When?

Speaker 3 (01:45:57):
When Jeff asked me how dating life was in Indianapoles
and why he was so curious about it?

Speaker 2 (01:46:01):
Yeah, I'm, you know, checking in on my boy, that's all,
you know, good checking.

Speaker 4 (01:46:05):
You don't get any wandering eyes here, Dan, you gotta
cut you on halloweing Man invite. I'll leave that to you, James. Yeah,
you know, I'll leave it to you, all right.

Speaker 2 (01:46:16):
Anything else you guys want to throw in before we
head onto the show, you're kevin you good? No, I
think you've You've covered it all right, coming up in
a moment one of the old guard hammering load management again.
We'll talk about it next ninety three.

Speaker 4 (01:46:33):
James mentioned this and I was like that, what a
show show you had James wood Bobin early on the
re entry The Wayne's Brothers. God, that was such a
good show.

Speaker 3 (01:46:44):
First of all, bring back sitcom. Second of all, bring
back thirty minute shows. I missed thirty minute shows and
hours a long time.

Speaker 4 (01:46:52):
John Witherspoon was so great in that show. Yes, Pops,
shout out Pops.

Speaker 2 (01:46:57):
It's fan morning show talking about old school TV shows
for a while. This Morning Mark has been playing those
as a theme today.

Speaker 4 (01:47:04):
What I running back tomorrow too. I've gotten a lot,
but I haven't even gotten into what sparked the the idea.

Speaker 2 (01:47:09):
Do you hear something yesterday or.

Speaker 5 (01:47:11):
Just was in my head that I'm like, Hey, one
of these like slower days, I'm gonna do a bunch
of theme songs. And I'm like, huh, people want to
hear them. I'm like, okay, that's fine, we can. We
can make do it again tomorrow. Like I said, I've
gotten a lot of requests. We only have so many Rejoiners,
So maybe I'll do it tomorrow as well, before we
get into Halloween on Friday.

Speaker 4 (01:47:26):
I think it was the laugh of Marlon Wayin's that
just had me loving that show.

Speaker 5 (01:47:32):
Keenan and Kel also a great theme song back in
the day with Coolio.

Speaker 3 (01:47:38):
They don't make it out anymore. Man, that's the oldest
thing I've ever said.

Speaker 4 (01:47:42):
It was a good it started for you know, that
was the good Burger, was the was on all that?

Speaker 5 (01:47:50):
Which that was another But then no, they worked at
like a convenience store and there was Kell and his
orange soda.

Speaker 4 (01:47:56):
Sure, who loves Orne soda? Kel loves orange soda.

Speaker 3 (01:48:00):
Is your neighborhood still trick or treat? And do people
still come around ring the doorbell and do the whole thing?

Speaker 4 (01:48:03):
Yes, yep. We typically in the years past we have
just done the bucket and you know we want to
go out and watch between max trig or treats. So yeah,
I'm always like, Man, if I had more money, I'd
love to just put like a little camera on the
bucket or right on the railing and just somehow have
a voice audio and some kid grabs more than two

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pieces and me just be like, put.

Speaker 2 (01:48:26):
It back and you're giving me grief for scaring kids.

Speaker 4 (01:48:30):
Well, yeah, pick on the picture that you sent Jeff
was frightening again. Carmel PD is alerted of where your
house is long time ago. But yeah, I don't want
you know, the kids that are bringing the pillow cases around,
you know full well they're up to bad intentions. There
card and eggs in the bottom of those. They're a
steel candy or do that mark? How long do you

(01:48:52):
think my bucket? I mean I like to go, you know,
go to CBS by whatever three or four, but you
know it's Halloween. I I'm I'm a Halloween fan. How
long do you think that last? It ain't last past?
Do you think ten minutes? Yeah? Yeah, I'm gonna give
it a good fifteen. Believe in kid humanity or don't
believe in Halloween with candy? It stake no legit I had.

Speaker 3 (01:49:15):
I went to talk to Highland Middle School. This was
last year at some point, maybe earlier this year.

Speaker 4 (01:49:20):
Rank Gregson the Highland.

Speaker 3 (01:49:22):
Yeah it was well, I did you know that? But
it was about a career day and I brought like
a big bag of jolly ranchers, And in hindsight, I
should have like just taken some out because I had
different groups that will come around for like ten minutes.
I just had the bag there and start off, and
the kids would just kill like just going the bag
and I would say take two and they're taking ten.

Speaker 4 (01:49:43):
And so I've learned. And in the front of your eyes, yes.

Speaker 3 (01:49:46):
And so I've learned. What am I gonna do? Like
take a kid by and ring a ring his next
and taking the Jolly Ranchers. But I was thinking to myself,
like going forward, I'll just put some out there and
like whatever is left or not left is what that
group will take and then replenish as I go.

Speaker 4 (01:50:02):
But leaving the bag there to start bad idea.

Speaker 5 (01:50:04):
See we have like the we have the doorbell camera
and we've had it out and the kids have been respectful.
They take a couple pieces and go. We never got
one where they just dumped the bucket in or anything
like that. So Brownsburg, no wonder you guys are so
high in the list of places now. I also I'm like,
if they took does that mean they respect the candy
that's in there, because there's good stuff in there. But
I'm like, if they're are they not grabbing or maybe
the parents are just like no, no, no.

Speaker 4 (01:50:25):
Maybe the parents are. Probably if they're younger, the parents are.

Speaker 3 (01:50:28):
But I mean when I got to being I don't know,
around middle school, wasn't my parents are will follow me
around for this stuff. So yeah, that can't see that
candy is not lasting.

Speaker 5 (01:50:37):
I know we got a lot of it already. We've
done too many trunk or treats. I'm like, are we
done now? They've got plenty. We don't even need to
go up Friday night. We got too much.

Speaker 2 (01:50:45):
There's always one kid that shows up at like six
thirty or seven that I don't know if it's just
he's big for his age or whatever, but he's like
five foot ten, one hundred and fifty pounds.

Speaker 4 (01:50:57):
He's like the crash. Right, we went to a trunker
treat last night.

Speaker 5 (01:51:01):
I swear there's I thought it was a dad dressed
up and I'm like, that is a that is a
child that is like the size of Kevin Bowen striper where.

Speaker 2 (01:51:09):
Those kids just start shaving at twelve?

Speaker 4 (01:51:11):
Right?

Speaker 6 (01:51:11):
How old?

Speaker 4 (01:51:12):
How old is too old a tricker treat? When your
voice starts dropping, I feel like, yeah, that's that's a
great question, because I'm gonna lie once I start I
seeing this fourth you.

Speaker 3 (01:51:21):
Could work a job now this year, you know, this
year from that and I see Jaking Grant walking the
streets of Indianapolis tri or treaty.

Speaker 2 (01:51:28):
They lost their interest in trick or treating about three
years ago.

Speaker 4 (01:51:31):
Now this year we do have obviously the high school
scene on Friday night, you know, to my final around.
So I assume you'll have a lot of people be attending,
you know that. So but yeah, I don't know. I
think there's a little cut off there right around twelve
thirteen fourteen put around there.

Speaker 2 (01:51:46):
Check the fan text line of two three ninety ten
sad I said.

Speaker 4 (01:51:49):
You guys are in the break and just to make
sure I'm fully transparent here, Uh, being on a college
campus on Halloween is the number one reason why I
didn't want to have a daughter. And here you are,
Here you are, and I've got one. I've got one
on the way. I've got three, John right there with you.

Speaker 6 (01:52:08):
Boy.

Speaker 2 (01:52:09):
It was a great time, dear lord. Yeah, oh boy,
I got two boys. We just always preach about staying
out of trouble and respecting women. Yes, all the time,
respect women. It's that out of trouble. Hey, that's how
we do it. Uh, check into the fan text line
right now two through nine, ten seventy. Here's it's speaking
of blast from the past. It's kind of why I've
decided to bring it up. Is Oladipo not someone they'd

(01:52:29):
consider to come in and play point guard. He hasn't
played in two seasons.

Speaker 3 (01:52:33):
This is more blasto missioning Russell Westbrook.

Speaker 4 (01:52:36):
Yeah, I was gonna say it sounds like James's burner here.

Speaker 3 (01:52:38):
No, Russell west we never committed treason with his team.

Speaker 2 (01:52:41):
So no, I mean after saying this is my city.

Speaker 4 (01:52:46):
No, it's after he say will you come get me?
I want to play with you now again. According to
Scott Agnes, one of the players in the workout yesterday
that mac McClung, one that Rick Carlisle referred to us
was Monte Morris. And if you remember, James Morris was
supposed to be the initial right veteran point guard brought in.
I believe some physical ailment I think it was a
calf and this would have been like a month ago, right,

(01:53:08):
this was before the season started, right, caused the Pacers
not to sign him. So initially that was the thought
Monty Morris has been I think a pretty solid veteran
guard in a variety of roles in his NBA career.
Then they went to the Delon Right route. He got
busted in the head in Minnesota the same night TJ
McConnell heard his hamstring. So then they went to Cameron

(01:53:28):
payin route that didn't appear to work out. And now
here we are with Mac McClung coming up tonight and
we'll see again what his role looks like down there
in Dallas.

Speaker 2 (01:53:42):
Well, I don't think those guys have to worry about
load management too much. But last night, Michael Jordan, how
do you like this format where Mike Triico just talks
to Michael Jordan kind of a just interviews him on
certain topics.

Speaker 3 (01:53:55):
Well, I'll be honest with you all, I think it's boring.
I mean, I grew up in the MJ era, so
I understand he's great player. The great player ever, I think,
and six rings is hard to argue with six finals MVPs,
But it's boring to me. What is he saying that's
not groundbreaking or riveting? Is it just the fact that
he's saying it?

Speaker 2 (01:54:12):
Yes, the fact that and a guy that played whenever
he could, eighty two games a year, he did that
several times, does not see the need for load management.
He said, you know, I never wanted to miss a
game because it was an opportunity to prove. It was
something that I felt like, the fans are there to
watch me play. I want to impress the guy way
up top who probably worked his butt off to get
a ticket or to get money to buy the ticket.

Speaker 3 (01:54:34):
I think the lower management conversation is a bit of
a straw man argument to a degree, because if you
look at the stars of this era, the only ones
you can really say who haven't played or Kawhi Leonard
and Joel Embiid who've had extensive injury history. Lebron plays
almost every night, Steph Curry plays almost every night, Kevin
Durant plays almost every night, James Harden plays almost every night.

Speaker 2 (01:54:55):
So what are we talking about, Well, there was a
stretch here for a couple of years where Lebron James
just didn't play in INDI less and I know that
there was. I remember going to a game one night
and Lebron didn't announce he wasn't going to play till
like four o'clock, and as as kids started to come
into the arena. I literally remember seeing one kid that
was in tears in his Lebron James uniform because he'd

(01:55:17):
been waiting all season to see Lebron James. And it
was just load management.

Speaker 3 (01:55:21):
I mean, the guy played last year against him, and
he had thirty nine a game a couple of years
ago here in Indianapolis. I was there for that, So
I think that that's overblown. But that's my I mean,
what do you guys think. I think you showing him
twenty questions and he's sitting down.

Speaker 4 (01:55:35):
I believe that Lebron I might have the FIRLS star. Ever,
I might have had this wrong. I think Lebron has
played the most games against the Pacers of any teams.

Speaker 2 (01:55:43):
I just remember there was a couple of years in
a row he didn't didn't play much.

Speaker 4 (01:55:46):
I could have that wrong. Maybe I'm wrong to me,
you know, is load management of thing to some degree?
You know, maybe it is. But at the same time,
when we're so ring hungry, and if you're going to
sit here and say, hey, if you sit out tonight,
you got a better chance to be ready for the
playoffs in April, you're gonna be mad about that if
that's your team. I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:56:07):
To me, you get paid that kind of money, just
show up and play bad. I don't understand at that
age why you can't show up and play basketball.

Speaker 4 (01:56:13):
So Tyre's Halliburn's risking it in November to potentially be
hurt in April. That's what you want your star player
to do.

Speaker 2 (01:56:21):
I don't know, but didn't used to always work out
that way for guys that played a lot in the
early part of the season. They were still playing in
the playoffs back in the day.

Speaker 4 (01:56:28):
Sports science I think has changed a lot of things.
I think now all of a sudden, you hear it,
you see it in the NFL a lot with this.
You know, hey, we're gonna sleep, sleep, sleep, and we're
gonna go to walk throughs on Wednesdays. And Yeah, I
just think times evolved. I think sports science has really
infiltrated a lot of it. Sure, maybe it is a
little bit more of a societal thing. But if I
am a fan of a team and my player sitting

(01:56:51):
out a Wednesday in November could potentially help that player
in the playoffs come April in May, I'm probably gonna
vote for the latter right.

Speaker 2 (01:57:02):
I get you, that's a style.

Speaker 3 (01:57:04):
We just saw it last year with Siakam at the
end of the year he was looking bad and then
we all said he needs to tick the time off,
and he did and came back in the playoffs and
balled out.

Speaker 4 (01:57:12):
I just don't know what the happy medium is there.
I know, I think it's a very difficult question. To
be fair, I think it's difficult. I certainly hear people
out and yeah, I'm sure it's frustrating for fans that
are spending an absurd amount of money. That's why I
brought up earlier in the show with Steph Curry on
Saturday night, the Warriors don't play the night before, and
I think it was last year, if I'm not mistaken,
didn't Steph like bring some kids into the locker room.

(01:57:34):
I think to try and do a little bit of
a whatever meet and greet or something. Again, there's no
easy solution to any of this. Lebron James is forty
years old.

Speaker 2 (01:57:45):
Like I do understand more when you start to get
later on in your career that I get. I'm talking
about guys in their first six seven years of their career.
I don't understand why they can't play every night.

Speaker 4 (01:57:54):
Again, if there is a glimmer of you know, James
brought up the obi top and stress reaction earlier, if
there is a flick of, hey, if this guy sits
to night, I think that's the best thing to do
because if he puts more wear and tear on it,
that can impact the rest of the season. Are you
really gonna argue against that?

Speaker 6 (01:58:10):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:58:10):
Like I said, argument is just look at today stars
and tell them who doesn't play.

Speaker 2 (01:58:15):
Well Again. I come from an era where I covered
Stockham alone. Guys on those teams never miss games ever,
Like in years, they didn't miss games, right.

Speaker 3 (01:58:24):
Steph Curried on miss games. Lebron on miss games unless
they're hurt. KD doesn't miss games. Sga doesn't miss games.
Giannis plays every night.

Speaker 2 (01:58:32):
Like, but I'm talking about guys that played eighty eighty one,
eighty two games. You can talk about Lebron playing every
night and yes he's played. Look, I'm not gonna argue
seventy six, seventy four. He had one year in his
entire career that he played all eighty two games, which
is amazing. And yes, you get hurt and I don't
think guys get hurt should play. Obviously, I will say

(01:58:53):
the last two years, at his advanced age, I give
him a lot of credit. Seventy one games in twenty three,
twenty four and seventy games last year. That's a lot
of games for a guy his age.

Speaker 4 (01:59:02):
I'm not mad at that. So did Caitlin Clark load
managed last year.

Speaker 3 (01:59:06):
Yeah, I just think that is a conversation's overblown. That's
my opinion though.

Speaker 7 (01:59:08):
That's all.

Speaker 2 (01:59:09):
It's all good. That's why I bring it up.

Speaker 6 (01:59:11):
Though.

Speaker 2 (01:59:12):
Coming up in a minute, we'll send you off to
what should be a busy night of sports around here
for college basketball at least, and find out what everybody's
gonna be up to this evening. We'll do it next
at ninety three five and one seven five. Yeah, tough
day and having a lot of fun playing some old
TV tunes. I never got my magnum PI.

Speaker 4 (01:59:29):
Theme, like I said, I might running back. Okay, see
what happens tomorrow.

Speaker 5 (01:59:32):
I have to pull up like the VHS tapes and
try to find that one. It's come on now, blow
off the projector.

Speaker 4 (01:59:41):
Oh look it's his mustache. Well Eve.

Speaker 2 (01:59:44):
They play a version of even for the new Magnum Pi.

Speaker 5 (01:59:46):
I haven't watched them. I've never seen the old one.
I've never seen the new one, but I have heard
that that. Yes, I know there's a million theme songs
people requested. We will run it back tomorrow and we'll
do more.

Speaker 2 (01:59:56):
I think you would have liked either the new or
the old magnum Pi. Okay, just a tech you know,
run around, try to catch bad guys.

Speaker 5 (02:00:02):
Remember my mom used to watch like Murder, she wrote,
and I thought that was the oldest show of all time.
Was I'm like, what are we doing here?

Speaker 2 (02:00:11):
So you're not a Golden Girls fan.

Speaker 5 (02:00:13):
I don't mind the Golden Girls, I guess, but I
was always like, what are we doing? What shows are these?

Speaker 2 (02:00:19):
It's been It's all been replaced by the gritty series
that you see on.

Speaker 4 (02:00:23):
Like Netflix and Amazon. Now.

Speaker 2 (02:00:27):
Although I do like me a good Jack Reacher series,
Jack Ryan, that's not bad. You guys like any of
that stuff?

Speaker 4 (02:00:35):
I have not watched any not super super familiar. Maddy
wants to watch Cocaine Quarterback right now on Hotel I
think it's Netflix. What about the USC guy I believes
coming like a drug dealer.

Speaker 5 (02:00:48):
Kevin's already off that if it's usc anything he's he's
not watching.

Speaker 4 (02:00:52):
Bugget of Light, then I'm by all means I might
bene it tonight, might stay up with three am watching
What do you do you bene it anything these days?

Speaker 3 (02:00:59):
I just finished up gen V, which is like a
superhero show on Prime. It is wild, not for kids
at all.

Speaker 4 (02:01:08):
That was pretty good.

Speaker 3 (02:01:08):
I watched Task on HBO, like a one season drama show.
Thought that was pretty good. And I need to finish
up the Netflix starting five with Halliburton.

Speaker 2 (02:01:21):
I started watching like the first ten minutes of that
on an airplane the other day and something happened and
I had to stop, and I just haven't gotten back
to it yet. So have you seen the whole thing starting?

Speaker 6 (02:01:28):
No, I.

Speaker 4 (02:01:31):
Just fast forward to the Halliburton parts. Okay, that's useful.
That's useful time right there, because if you don't care
about the other guys, just skip through it.

Speaker 6 (02:01:38):
Well.

Speaker 4 (02:01:39):
Yeah, and I think, I mean I forget what. It
came out a couple thursdays ago, and you know, I
didn't have enough time, but I wanted to talk about
it on the Friday show that we had. I mean,
I thought it was tremendously well done. I could not
endorse it more. I think I think you learn a
ton about Halliburton's great behind the scenes stuff. You laugh,
you probably are gonna cry. I thought it was really
really well done and they and they get you know,

(02:02:00):
very into the finals individually each game, which you know,
if you can handle the emotional ending of it, I
think it's worth the watch. That's pretty much what the
whole final episode's about.

Speaker 2 (02:02:13):
That's look, they got drama. You talk about picking the
right two teams and two of the right people to follow,
they got drama on that whole thing, that's for sure.

Speaker 4 (02:02:20):
Pacers could use a win tonight, breaking news from Kevin
Bowen to nine to fifty one in the morning's gonna say, yeah,
you could use a win Hawks Warriors this weekend. The
Bucks are off to a nice start on Monday. Again
you go out west. Not a ton of great opportunities
on paper. So yes, breaking news for me, the Pacers

(02:02:42):
could use a win.

Speaker 2 (02:02:44):
You're gonna hear it right here on ninety three five
one seven, Fan or Mark, I'm guessing it's a two
TV night World Series and Pacers at your place? Sure?

Speaker 5 (02:02:52):
Absolutely, It usually is a two TV night there's usually
something on because the I'll be wanting to watch sports
and the girls want to watch something else.

Speaker 4 (02:02:58):
So I threw on it the other day. The movie
it tried to scare the Bejesus out them.

Speaker 5 (02:03:03):
That worked out, Well, why are we watching this because
you guys need to get them scares and can't be
watching hocus Pocus and all this other We need some
scares on Halloween.

Speaker 2 (02:03:11):
You gonna graduated the Ozark next year too.

Speaker 5 (02:03:14):
No, I don't think we're going to Ozark yet, but yeah,
I wanted to throw on what was the movie the
other day?

Speaker 6 (02:03:22):
Oh?

Speaker 5 (02:03:23):
Weapons, I've heard that's very good. I was gonna throw
that on. I told them the other day. So I
were watching Sinners or watching Weapons, and they didn't want
to watch either of my and my wife say, don't
put that on them, Like, I'm just testing them. I
want to see what they choose.

Speaker 2 (02:03:36):
You were going to show you Sinners?

Speaker 6 (02:03:39):
Maybe?

Speaker 4 (02:03:39):
Yeah, at some point, why not?

Speaker 2 (02:03:41):
Hell is the oldest eight?

Speaker 4 (02:03:45):
I mean, I'm sure there's scenes.

Speaker 3 (02:03:48):
Yeah, my parents watched. I watched a bunch of Radar movie.
There was like, hey, close your eyes, turn your head
at this point, and get back to the movie.

Speaker 4 (02:03:53):
Yeah, pretty simple stuff. Yeah, I mean, yeah, we've covered
their eyes a couple of times on scenes.

Speaker 2 (02:03:59):
Grant is looking forward to spending an evening with James
Boyd one night, but I'm not sure can I trust that?

Speaker 6 (02:04:04):
Well?

Speaker 4 (02:04:05):
I don't know, Jeff. Have they watched Radar movie to flay?
You guys are a little late. I'm like to the party.
I'm like a fourteen twelve. I was watching whatever.

Speaker 2 (02:04:13):
You gotta figure out what each kid is ready for.
Though it's kind of an individual thing.

Speaker 4 (02:04:18):
Something something about my about Mary put that on. Let
them watch that. Yeah, I feel like it.

Speaker 3 (02:04:23):
Was always just kind of will throw you in the
deep end and see if you can swim type of thing.

Speaker 2 (02:04:28):
Uh, Kevin, you got two and one on the way, man,
and now you're worried about all of a sudden, you're
worried about Halloween with two daughters.

Speaker 4 (02:04:35):
I'm worried about Boston College on Saturday is what I'm
really worried about. Kevin gonna slap the floor for Boston
College Eagles, Long Island Monday for the Irish basketball team
getting on the hardwood here. If you guys want to
come over until weirdo, but you are consistent respect. Boston
College has ruined some Notre Dame seasons before. Do I
need to remind anybody Boston College had football coaches who boys?

Speaker 3 (02:04:58):
I actually don't know this.

Speaker 4 (02:05:00):
Come on, I really don't know this former AFC South legend.
Am I supposed to know it is?

Speaker 2 (02:05:06):
I'm trying to remember who it is now and I don't.

Speaker 7 (02:05:08):
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (02:05:08):
Jff, come here with that, Jeff Fisher.

Speaker 2 (02:05:12):
I wish Bill O'Brien O'Brien.

Speaker 3 (02:05:15):
You know where Bill O'Brien is in the year twenty
twenty five.

Speaker 4 (02:05:18):
Yeah, that's Bill O'Brien, all right.

Speaker 2 (02:05:19):
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