Wednesday 12/10: Philip Rivers is back! Insane or so crazy it might just work? + Jack Doyle!

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Speaker 1 (00:03):
They sei sed a fan morning show with KB jab
and Jeff.

Speaker 2 (00:08):
From multiple sources, forty four year old Philip Rivers is
signing to the quarterback needy Indianapolis Colts.

Speaker 3 (00:15):
Hey, hey, I've seen this one.

Speaker 1 (00:18):
I've seen this one.

Speaker 4 (00:18):
It's a classic for me.

Speaker 1 (00:20):
You've seen this it's brand new. Yeah, I saw it
on the week rerun to rerun the.

Speaker 5 (00:27):
Forty four year old Grandfather.

Speaker 6 (00:29):
I was definitely a little surprise. I mean, but if
there is one guy to call.

Speaker 4 (00:35):
Who can do something like this, it's definitely.

Speaker 3 (00:37):
Hill to be leading the Colts into the playoffs, take
to a super Bowl.

Speaker 2 (00:42):
You can do it.

Speaker 5 (00:44):
Get that old as.

Speaker 3 (00:46):
Yours, indian Zo, we gotta wind.

Speaker 4 (00:49):
It feels a little desperate to me.

Speaker 2 (00:51):
You're forty four, bro.

Speaker 4 (00:52):
Get rid of the rock.

Speaker 7 (00:53):
You're not olden gold double pump, and you ain't fast
enough to get out of the pocket.

Speaker 6 (00:58):
Let that thing go reallyten, I mean, who knows what
Phil's kp lot? You know you know I'm gonna say
a super Bowl. You know that's my real estate. Yes,
we're still into singing.

Speaker 2 (01:09):
We are very much collised.

Speaker 3 (01:11):
Just now, old man got time.

Speaker 1 (01:18):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (01:19):
Michael Pittman is optimistic and bullsh on everything and welcome
into the twilight zone, in which Indiana football's the number
one Ranke team in the nation. Philip Rivers is coming
back from a five year hiatus to possibly play for
the Indianapolis Colts. We had an Assembly Hall scoring record
last night for Indiana for dude trying to get back
on track against Minnesota later on tonight. Other than that,

(01:40):
there's nothing happening in our world. James Boyd, How was
it over at West fifty six yesterday? My friend?

Speaker 5 (01:46):
No trip over there just yet. We'll go over there
for the first time today this week to see Uncle
Phil out on the practice squad. But Kevin, you noted
this immediately. There was no practice today, and then the
report of signing of Phili Rivers happened, and there was
a practice today. So I'm guessing the ben Gay got

(02:06):
busted out. He's rubbing it on the shoulder and he's
got to get ready to go.

Speaker 3 (02:10):
Do we call him Grunkle Phil, Grandpa uncle together or
are we sticking with Uncle Phil? Uncle Phil obviously sounds better.
If he's three and out, he's gramps. If he scores
a touchdown driving, he's Uncle Phil.

Speaker 8 (02:23):
Right.

Speaker 2 (02:24):
Ah, Yeah, I.

Speaker 5 (02:25):
Would actually agree with this. Uncle Scores the Grandpa washed,
this is Philip Rivers' life.

Speaker 3 (02:31):
We don't have time for Wednesday walkthroughs anymore. We gotta
get on the practice field. So yes, the Colts have
changed up their practice schedule in the aftermath of Philip Rivers' arrival.
So they will go back to early season practice today,
practice tomorrow, practice Friday, among the changes. So, boy, it
is he's no Allen Harveson. Yeah, that is an understatement,

(02:52):
there it is. It's amazing.

Speaker 4 (02:54):
You know.

Speaker 3 (02:54):
You can call it entertaining, call it frightening, call it desperate,
call it genius. But here we are Philip Freakin' Rivers,
and I expect him to start on Sunday. I know
that's the question that a lot of people have asks,
But I don't think Philip River.

Speaker 2 (03:11):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (03:11):
Maybe you just need a smoke break from his ten
kid household, but I don't think you hop on a
plane and get all the way up here to hold
a Microsoft surface and scratch the back of Brett Rippon.

Speaker 2 (03:22):
Mark. I'll know this. Phil's got three kids crawling all
over him, and he hasn't had a break in six
and a half weeks. And he gets that phone call,
and before Shamestikeing and Chris Paller coun even finish what
they're saying, He's like, when can.

Speaker 9 (03:33):
You get me on the plane. Yes, let's go, I'll
do it for free. Yes, I'll be there.

Speaker 5 (03:37):
Well, I guess the proof of this is at first
the reported tryout was supposed to be Tuesday, and then
it comes out, oh no, he was here Monday. So
to your point, Jeff got rid of the family pretty quick.

Speaker 2 (03:50):
Are on time. Usually. What if I told you on August.

Speaker 3 (03:53):
Tenth, Philip Rivers will start more games Thannapolis Colts this
year than Anthony Richardson.

Speaker 2 (04:01):
I would think you smacked your head relatively hard. I
would think that you would you would be in concussion
protocol at that point in time.

Speaker 5 (04:08):
I would think that you have done another drug deal
in the parking lot like you did for the Rick
Carlisle T shirt.

Speaker 4 (04:18):
Again.

Speaker 5 (04:18):
Oh boy, Yeah, I definitely would be questioning things. But
at this point I think I come round to it.
I wrote this yesterday and it actually went live this
morning when I was walking in. But I don't necessarily
view this through the same out of the box lens
as of Jeff Saturday hiring. I know he mentioned that.
I believe he went on the Rich eisen So yesterday

(04:38):
and he said, oh, this is like me walking in there. No,
it is not. Granted you had no coaching experience at
the pro college level. At least Philip Rivers has played
in the NFL. He does no several of the teams
two decades, several of the teammates actually because they're still playing.
So from that perspective, there's football reasons. I can squint
my eyes and say, okay, I you can see where

(05:00):
he's what you're trying to do. Where the Jeff Saturday
one was like this will never work. So this might
not ever work either, but at least, again football reasons,
there are some.

Speaker 2 (05:09):
You asked the question yesterday, Kevin, which I think is
really the key question, like what what is Shane Stiken
going to get out of all of these guys that
he might be looking for his potential starting quarterbacks in
this particular circumstance where you're either going to go get
a guy off the street that's not a starting level
quarterback anyway, and the guy that you have that you

(05:30):
could elevate, you're not clearly all that confident as somebody
wrote on Twitter yesterday, like I feel offended for r
at ripping right now, But my point is you're Shane Steiken.
You're sitting there, You're trying to figure out what in
the world are we going to do. You've been having
these weekly conversations about your offense with a guy who

(05:51):
has run your offense in the past, and what is
Shane Steiken? You asked the question yesterday, what's Shane Styke?
And looking for somebody who can just operate his offense
right now? Can he stand up to the physical riggers
of the NFL. We don't know any of that. What's
the arm looked like after five years? Don't know, But cerebrally, intellectually,
at least Shane Steiken knows I could get I can

(06:13):
get a guy under center there that when he gets
the ball in his hands, has a really good idea
what that defense wants to do, and knows exactly where
my guys are going to be. That's where you're at.

Speaker 3 (06:25):
Right Yeah, the question just changes once that ball snapped. Obviously,
look the colt I'm talking. I'm just saying that that's
not the process. The Coltran is one of the more
dire situations. I've ever seen it the last time I
look at the quarterback depth chart like I look at
it right now. And fittingly, we'll have Jack Doyle join
us at eight o'clock. Former teammate of course of Philip Rivers.

Speaker 5 (06:48):
I believe he was the last guy to catch a
touchdown pass from Rivers.

Speaker 2 (06:51):
In that building game, right playoff game.

Speaker 3 (06:52):
Yeah, so Jack Doyle was a part of the Colts
back in mark. You have to double check me on
the year. I'm gonna guess fifteen or sixteen BC. Yes,
certainly when they went combo quarterback in a game, they
went Josh Freeman up until the two minute warning and
then they went Ryan Linley for the two minut offense.

(07:13):
So literally they spent a week training one quarterback of
you run our basic offense. Other guy, you run the
two minute offense. This is the only other time I
can consider it as dire. And of course I say
that because torn a chillies for Dana Jones, Anthony richardson
orbital fracture not playing Riley Leonard assuming he can't go.
That's probably the one little dangling news item we have

(07:35):
here Wednesday morning of is Riley Leonard truly out for
Sunday again. As we said quite often yesterday, a knee
injury to a quarterback that needs his legs significantly to
like Riley Leonard playing quarterback and Philip Rivers playing quarterback,
are two different guys in terms of their legs. Philip
Rivers played a playoff game on a torn acl. Riley
Leonard's not playing a game on a torn acl. Nothing

(07:56):
gets his toughness, but that's just not how he is
as a quarterback. So yes, Jeff, to answer your question,
I guess they are going peak cerebral. They are going
we are two football nerds that know this offense better
than anything you could ever imagine. And when Seattle shows
us this, we're gonna sit in this meeting room on

(08:16):
a Wednesday night and we're gonna say, let's counter to that,
and it's gonna work.

Speaker 2 (08:21):
Of course, what happens.

Speaker 3 (08:23):
When eleven dudes in blue jerseys and forty five degrees
spitting rain in one of the most hostile environments in
the NFL, and the defense that hasn't allowed two touchdowns
has alloted eight touchdown in two weeks. A taxi quarterback
that hasn't thrown a pass in eighteen hundred days.

Speaker 5 (08:35):
Yeah, I was looking at this, well, yea throwing a pass.
Don't sell my boy short. Now he's been down there
in Fair Hope, Alabama, throwing it around with the high
school kids, like is a Disney movie. So he's ready
for this moment.

Speaker 2 (08:45):
But this will be a Disney movie.

Speaker 5 (08:47):
It could be uh, you know, it'll be a lesson
learn for all involved.

Speaker 3 (08:51):
We might want to go back to the Disney Channel
very quiday if this doesn't go well exactly, but Bluie
reruns sound pretty good right now.

Speaker 5 (08:59):
But to your point about what he could be up against,
we had to go back and look at this. The
Seattle Seahawks have only allowed nine points in the last
two weeks combined, and they forced eight turnovers. That is
the definition of good luck.

Speaker 2 (09:18):
But I guess, ultimately, at the end of the day,
like what are your options?

Speaker 3 (09:24):
So so I did see and James, I don't know
if you saw somewhere I thought I saw jol A
Ericsson mention his story. They tried to sign Sam Ellinger
off of Denver's practice squad. You refuse, right, So yeah,
and you know, if you're Ellinger, let's play that out.
You have a chance to be a starting quarterback in
the NFL, and you say no, I mean that's that.

Speaker 2 (09:43):
I mean, that's but I also quite the.

Speaker 3 (09:45):
Statement of like, wow, what you think of the Colts situation? Now,
if you're Ellinger, you had your cup of coffee here,
you did start for this franchise. You are being thrown
into quite the disadvantage, this advantageous. I have no idea
how to even say that. Not a great scenario is
probably the simplest way to put it. And with Denver,
for what it's worth, he is on a team that

(10:06):
might win at all. Now, granted he's the third quarterback
and not going to see playing time, you would think.
But you know, those are the types of conversations we've had.
I mean, we read off the practice squad quarterback list yesterday.
It's it's a dire, dire group. So yeah, from.

Speaker 2 (10:22):
What I understand too, the Cults are not the first
team that Sam Alinger has said no to. Oh yeah
really yeah, So whatever's going on with him.

Speaker 3 (10:31):
People won't sam Elnger.

Speaker 2 (10:32):
He seems to be happy. I heard two teams I'm asking.
One of them is the Colts, So I don't know
it's there. But again, you know I see on the
text line about every twentieth text people are like, Tyler
Warren's the emergency quarterback. Kevin, please explain what that means
being the emergency quarterback. You're not going to be the

(10:53):
quarterback for this to start the game. You're basically you're
the guy that when nothing is left in the middle
of the game, you're gonna go in there and hand
the ball off fifteen straight time.

Speaker 3 (11:04):
Would you rather watch Tyler Warren play wildcat or Philip
Rivers play quarterback?

Speaker 2 (11:08):
Can? I can I get back to you after the
first two series on Sunday.

Speaker 9 (11:12):
I will say I'm more intrigued about this game than
I would be if you know.

Speaker 3 (11:15):
Leonard entertaining as hell. I mean, let me be clear, TV,
it is entertaining. I mean the good thing it's in
the four o'clock window. It deserves some more eyes on it.

Speaker 9 (11:23):
But I said, the NFL needs a break protocol and
flex it to Sunday night, because not only is it
more nationally appealing now, but uncle Phil can get a
nap in before game time.

Speaker 3 (11:33):
There were so many four o'clock training table jokes yesterday
on Twitter. I mean, there were some really, really good
old folks home jokes. So yes, it's entertaining as hell.
It is appointment television if nothing else, it is must watch.
But boy, it could turn sad real quick.

Speaker 2 (11:51):
We'll go down that rabbit hole coming up in just
a few minutes here today. We will talk to Jack
Doyle a little bit later on today and looking forward
to see his perspective on all of these things that
are taking place. And I mean a week ago, can
you imagine we'd be having this discussion Kevin Bowen, No
Philip Rivers, no son. Everyday night when you went to bed,

(12:12):
you would have never thought about Philip Rivers again until
it was time for the Hall of Fame.

Speaker 3 (12:15):
But on Monday, when Eddie Yarris and I decided to
record that podcast, that the old thought of calling uncle
Phil did cross my mind.

Speaker 5 (12:23):
That was one of your more clairvoyant moments.

Speaker 3 (12:25):
I thought to myself, you know, what stranger things have happened.

Speaker 5 (12:30):
This is Indiana.

Speaker 2 (12:32):
That's unbundly dure.

Speaker 9 (12:33):
How about Lamar Wilkerson last night, we'll talk about him.
Come on, he made another three from Martinsville, he did.

Speaker 2 (12:38):
And he'd probably put one in from uh, he might've
been put one in from from Fisher's last night, the
way he was going. We'll talk about all that coming up.

Speaker 4 (12:45):
NEXU.

Speaker 2 (12:46):
It's ninety three five and one oh seven five to
fan we start a Wednesday morning here. He has officially
been signed to the practice squad at this point in time.
What does that mean Kevin Bowen moving forward? Is that
just pursue at this point?

Speaker 3 (13:01):
Well, not officially yet, so we will wait again, final
final word, but that is of course the expectation. Yeah,
practice squad thought is obviously you see how the week
plays out. And then again, the NFL has changed the
rules a few years ago where you can elevate guys
from the practice squad two a week to your active roster.
You could do that three times over the course of
the season. For example, the Colts did it last week
with their kicker Blake Groupie. So I think that is

(13:23):
some of the thought here. See how Philip Rivers performs
in practice, which again they've changed up their practice schedule.
They're not messing around the forty four year olds back
in the building. No time for Wednesday walkthroughs. They'll practice today.

Speaker 2 (13:35):
And for those who've been very busy and haven't had
time to think about this or learn much about it.
What's the appeal of Philip Rivers after not playing football
for five years to come back and play for Shane
Stikeen and the Colts.

Speaker 5 (13:45):
James Boyd, The appeal is that he knows the offense
inside and out and hopefully, you know, what he has
upstairs in the brain can help him physically in a
game that is very, very violent. So I have my doubts,
but also want to see it.

Speaker 2 (14:01):
Well, you'll have your opportunity Sunday afternoon for twenty five
Colts at Seahawks. Now, keep in mind we'll have some
pregame here on ninety three five and one oh seven
five the fan. The game itself will be aired entirely
on ninety seven point one Hank FM because we've got
pacers during the back half of that football game as well.
So that's kind of what's going on there. That'll all

(14:21):
be on Sunday afternoon. And the question, also, Kevin, is
what's that offensive line going to look like with the
potentially Philip Rivers sitting up shop under center.

Speaker 3 (14:31):
Yeah, we could have just the second different starting offensive line,
I should say, the third different starting offensive line all
season long. The Colts have had that unit attack for
all but one game, but Brit Smith left with a
neck concussion on Sunday, so it could be rookie fourth
round pick Jalen Travis. We should note, as of right
now Wednesday morning, Mooney Board is yet to be put

(14:53):
on injured reserve, so we'll await an update on that.
But obviously, as we touched on quite a bit yesterday,
just awful to see him back in concussion protocol for
the third time in three months. So you can still
obviously play the roster game throughout the week, but something
to monitor, all right.

Speaker 2 (15:10):
We'll also talk about college basketball Mark Dyakon. Last night,
Assembly Hall saw a new record as the Hoosiers defeated
Penn State one thirteen to seventy two, ten three point
field goals made by Lamar Wilkerson, who scored an Assembly
Hall record forty four points in the win. At one
point after he hit a three to make it thirty five.

(15:33):
I'm sorry, with fourteen twenty six left, he had outscored
Penn State thirty five thirty four with over fourteen minutes
to go in the game.

Speaker 5 (15:40):
James special shooter and Penn State thinks, like you said, Kevin,
that was some bad Big tim basketball. I'm used to
like the low scoring, you know, a bunch of screens
and hard fouls and all of that. But now we got,
you know, one side looking like Golden State, on the
other side looking like me.

Speaker 2 (15:57):
Boy.

Speaker 3 (15:57):
There are moments you watch Indiana and you think that
offense and I get that shooting can cure a lot,
but you think to themselves, wow, that is a team
that not only should make the tournament, but should win
a game or two. And then of course we watched
last week and you think, uh, right now.

Speaker 5 (16:10):
I'm like, I can I see him against like a
non JV Big ten team? Yeah, I mean so far.

Speaker 3 (16:14):
Yeah, that's what they've had here, scheduleized at Kentucky on Saturday,
which they've really struggled. But yes, Wilkerson, Maybe the most
stunning aspect of last night for me was they popped
up the graphic there. Like you said, Jeff ten threes,
that is a IU record. I would not have guessed,
and I probably was on or was that one of
those games I would not have guessed. The guys that
had the record before Matt Roth, Rod Willmott never forget

(16:39):
a Soldier boy concert. Rod Wilmot coming up to me
and saying he liked my shorts. I thought to myself, Okay,
I'm on top of the world. And Rob Johnson, those
are like I would have guessed Eric Gordon, I would
have guessed James Blackman Junior, I would have guessed Jordan Holes.
I would not have guessed those three would have had
nine threes in a game. But nonetheless, Wilkerson also Beatray

(17:00):
Jackson Davis forty four points. That is an IU record
there and did it in twenty five minutes. That is
the most impressive aspect of the whole.

Speaker 2 (17:07):
Night, Reed Bailey. Also at eighteen Taylor Conaway had seventeen points.
As you mentioned, Kevin, they'll play Kentucky coming up on Saturday.
Later on tonight, Purdue will be hosting Minnesota, trying a
little bit of a get back game there for a
loss at the Barn last week. That one we'll start
at seven o'clock up at Mackie and Notre Dame we'll
be hosting Idaho. I hope they fare okay against the

(17:29):
Vandals tonight.

Speaker 3 (17:31):
The worst news of the week for Notre Dame was what.

Speaker 2 (17:35):
Being left out of the college football playoff.

Speaker 5 (17:37):
I was going to say for you it might have
been Marcus Burton.

Speaker 4 (17:39):
You're wrong.

Speaker 2 (17:40):
Okay, you're wrong, Jeff. What is it Marcus Burton?

Speaker 3 (17:42):
Marcus Burton surgery again?

Speaker 2 (17:44):
You are on brand consistent multiple months months. Mic One
injury just awful.

Speaker 10 (17:51):
Man.

Speaker 5 (17:51):
Like I said, he's an Indiana kid. I watched him
play in high school and he was phenomenal and he's
been phenomenal when healthy for the Irish. But I really
did think that that think about him and honestly just
praying for him because that that's tough.

Speaker 3 (18:04):
NoDEA by the way, the noted m ad I like him,
but he's gonna stop crying.

Speaker 2 (18:07):
Yeah, it's time to be done. Gotta move on by
the beach. Well, I am with him on this.

Speaker 5 (18:11):
Sue.

Speaker 3 (18:12):
You get a twenty four hour window to bitch and moan.
I did it Monday. They stop.

Speaker 5 (18:16):
No, No, it's time to sue.

Speaker 2 (18:18):
Move on.

Speaker 5 (18:18):
Let's get on with a lot of get.

Speaker 4 (18:19):
I can't wait.

Speaker 3 (18:19):
Big game tonight, Notre Dame Idaho, Jalen Harrelson, It's time.
But the Marcus Burton news was worse news for me
than not day missing the plowff.

Speaker 2 (18:26):
I know Indianda Pacers last night, but two games in
the NBA that did feature Eastern Conference opponents Orlando over
Miami won seventeen. Want to wait and the Knicks consent
continue to stay hot one seventeen one on is are
they gonna get it together this year?

Speaker 3 (18:40):
What was this going?

Speaker 2 (18:40):
Once one seventeen one on one.

Speaker 5 (18:42):
One o one, Oh, they were rolling on together.

Speaker 2 (18:44):
They're gonna get it together and make a run of
the finals.

Speaker 5 (18:45):
This year's wide opening the East without Halli, Burdon and
Tatum and you know Joannis currently and not without Damian
and so many bodies are not there.

Speaker 3 (18:54):
So yes, yeah, Ali Burton was on that Amazon Prime
last night. Did I see that?

Speaker 4 (18:59):
Said?

Speaker 5 (19:00):
I didn't get a chance to catch it. I'll have
to go back and watch some clips if anybody shared
it online.

Speaker 3 (19:04):
I was when I saw Dustin and Pirak mentioned that
Halliburton said he'd like to be doing some one on
one work by the end of December here, so you know,
again he's been ruled out for the season, but.

Speaker 2 (19:15):
It's not gonna lie.

Speaker 5 (19:16):
I thought one on one interview for half a second there,
because you were talking about the whole media thing, and
I was like, wait, what is he trying to hold on?
We got to get you back on the court. So okay, yeah,
got the write one on one later on tonight.

Speaker 2 (19:27):
If you're looking for something to do late night after
that Purdue game, you could say I watched the NBA
James the past, Lebron James taking on the future and
the Victor Wimbin Yama Spurs and Lakers later on tonight.

Speaker 5 (19:38):
Is well be back. I'm not sure if he's back
it or not, but the point is, uh yeah, I
don't know. Maybe Uncle Phil keep me up tonight like
you did last night.

Speaker 3 (19:46):
By the way, I watch a little bit of that
Michigan Villanova game, Dusty Mays. Boys, Oh my gosh, they
are running dudes out of the gym. They are legit.
I know we've talked so much about Purdue in the
Big Ten this year. At Michigan bunch, Mmmm, that looked
really good.

Speaker 2 (20:04):
Was it?

Speaker 3 (20:04):
B Yu the one on the buzz and the buzzer
beater Ajda Banta looked awesome in front of I would
assume a lot of NBA eyes.

Speaker 5 (20:11):
I looked at him and I was like, man, he
wouldn't look bad in the PACER's uniform. But they won
too many games now to really be again.

Speaker 3 (20:16):
Lottery odds don't change for the first four picks.

Speaker 5 (20:19):
This is true, But I don't even know if the
Pacers will have a top four worst record. They're rolling
right now.

Speaker 3 (20:27):
Having four six.

Speaker 2 (20:29):
Did you guys see any of those reports servicing out
there that the Pacers could be looking to trade for
a center.

Speaker 5 (20:37):
You see SAMs Sharania ESPN, the NBA Insider, But uh yeah,
I was too busy looking at Uncle Phil's like, not now,
Sam's we got real news to take care of.

Speaker 2 (20:48):
You're the first guy in history that said put a
finger up, said not now, Shams. All right, Jack Doyle
coming up top of the hour, we'll talk to him
about Phil Rivers coming back. He knows a little bit
about Phil Rivers, and we'll take more of your thoughts
and phone calls throughout the morning at nine ten seventy.
Also on the text line two three, nine ten seventy,
it's all straight at oh, it's a new anthem for

(21:11):
over forties everywhere. Philip Rivers getting up off his film
room study from high school football, where he's been coaching
the same offense. Kevin Weekly Conversations about the nuances and
the wrinkles of the offense with Shane Steichen without those
weekly phone calls. Are we here today? Mark?

Speaker 3 (21:32):
You think the Seahawks should announce the Colts on Sunday
with that song played?

Speaker 2 (21:35):
Yeah? I would?

Speaker 4 (21:37):
You know?

Speaker 3 (21:37):
In the Super Bowl, don't they pick like a song
from your home state or your home area. Maybe the
Seahawks should do that, you know, instead of bring them out,
bring them out or you know.

Speaker 5 (21:46):
What's the underthinker theme song? Just play that when the
Seahawks go out to take the field.

Speaker 9 (21:52):
That might be what they play after the game right
halftime the Colt first quarter Brick.

Speaker 3 (21:57):
Colts did bring in another quarterback yesterday besides grunkle Phil,
and I had never heard of this due before yesterday.
Seth Hen again? Am I saying that?

Speaker 2 (22:11):
Right? Don't know?

Speaker 3 (22:13):
Undrafted free agent out of Memphis. He spent time with
the Jacksonville Jaguars during the offseason and I believe the
first month of the season on.

Speaker 2 (22:21):
Their practice squad.

Speaker 3 (22:22):
So from an official in person, eyes on dudes that
play quarterback? Philip rivers at forty four and Seth Hen
again at twenty four or however the whole the hell
old he is?

Speaker 2 (22:36):
That's it.

Speaker 3 (22:37):
But nothing with Hen again. So as of right now, Wednesday,
they'll practice here in a few hours. Phil Rivers, Brett Rippin,
your two healthy quarterbacks. Will see about Riley Leonard.

Speaker 2 (22:46):
I'm looking at it right now. The Seahawks are now
thirteen and a half point favorites James Boyd.

Speaker 3 (22:51):
It's a rising number. It was three and a half
this time last week.

Speaker 5 (22:57):
I just checked our athletic playoff simulator or model, and
they project that the cultivate twenty chance to make the playoffs.
I wonder if that changes good or bad when Uncle Phil.
If Uncle Phil gets activated for the game.

Speaker 3 (23:13):
You can pick one of the four words to describe
this move one of the four desperate, entertaining, frightening, genius, entertaining, desperate,
entertaining well.

Speaker 2 (23:29):
For I guess for a morning show, it's greatly entertaining.

Speaker 6 (23:31):
Well.

Speaker 9 (23:32):
I mean, even the second half of that Jaguars game.
I was checking out because I'm like, what is this
season about to be? And I'm thinking, like long term future.

Speaker 2 (23:39):
And all that.

Speaker 4 (23:39):
Right, give you a little bit.

Speaker 9 (23:41):
Riley Leonard didn't didn't, but he wasn't awful. Didn't he
didn't get my juices flowing. I'll say that.

Speaker 3 (23:48):
High standard here, Mark, I'm man, some of us you
guys got to take a week and get Hiah.

Speaker 9 (23:53):
He's seeing great quarterback play this season, and I'm just
seeing I'm seeing, I'm seeing Riley Leonard. I'm like, oh boy,
now now when Daniel Jones, sure, what's that look like?
Cold Stone two first round picks? So I said, oh boy,
this seems circling the drain. But then if you're telling
me Philip Rivers, who I always liked Philip Rivers in
his career and everything like that, If you tell me
I get one more spin at Philip Rivers, one more
for the old guys as I've hit forty year old

(24:15):
Mark myself. Hell yeah, I want to see Philip Rivers
do it if he thinks he can go out there
and spin it. Sure, I am more intrigued on this
game than I would have been head ry Leylondard been
named the.

Speaker 3 (24:26):
Storm more intrigued. What about optimistic?

Speaker 9 (24:29):
I am optimistic. Sure you can still sling it. I
think how optimistic are you? Let me ask you a question.

Speaker 2 (24:35):
If you want you want big odds, Mark, if you're
confident and optimistic, you can get plus seven fifty for
Rivers just to throw for two hundred and fifty yards
or more plus seven fifty make seventy five bucks on
a ten dollars bet if he can get this two
hundred and fifty dollars.

Speaker 9 (24:54):
I mean, I would probably feel more confident in that
if he wasn't playing the Seattle defense. But I think
he will. I don't think he's going to be horrendous.
I don't think he I think he's gonna show that
he's still got his faculties and stuff. I don't expect
him to run for thirty yards or anything, but I
think he'll. They have to have seen something. I don't
think they're just like, well, we're friends with Shane Stich
and we're just gonna throw it against the wall and

(25:14):
see what happens. I think they had He had to have
shown them something.

Speaker 2 (25:18):
Right, are we?

Speaker 9 (25:19):
Are we that desperate where like this he can't even
throw a ten yard out route that you're like, still
sign him?

Speaker 2 (25:23):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (25:24):
I mean they obviously worked him out on Monday, Mark,
but you throwing a football to coleman Owen and the
Colts indoor facility on a Monday evening against nobody is
a lot lot different than a third and eight throwing
the ball with Devin Witherspoon and coverage in forty eight degrees,

(25:45):
spitting rain weather against the defense that hasn't allowed a
touchdown in two weeks.

Speaker 9 (25:50):
So I'm also not Philip Rivers. That's dropping kids left
and right. So I mean, he's got skills I don't have.

Speaker 3 (25:56):
You can almost you can only see so much on
a Monday, Like, there's an element of.

Speaker 2 (26:02):
It's a disservice to the NFL.

Speaker 3 (26:03):
Frankly, if you're going to try to compare, you know, James,
I know she's your colleague. But Dana Russini tweeting yesterday
about the player source or whatever it was, what was
the exact quote he said.

Speaker 5 (26:13):
I got to pull this off. I'm glad you brought
this up because look, I love my teammates. But I'm like, gee,
I mean, come on here, it is because I actually
quote tweeted her. She said, a source close to Philip
Rivers describes a player who looks in better shape now
than when he played, and then there's a quote that
says it's a no brainer for who gives him the

(26:34):
best chance. I don't necessarily doubt that part of it.
I'm thinking, hey, okay, injured Ry Leonard with a leg
that he can't run on old Philip Rivers who has
a Hall of Fame resume, or Brett Rippon. I'm like, yeah,
he might actually give him the best chance. And then
she says, expect the heavy dose of Jonathan Taylor and
the Colts his ground game to support the forty four
year old Rivers.

Speaker 2 (26:52):
There'll be a lot of loaded time.

Speaker 5 (26:54):
I mean, yes, what was the quote again? Give it
to you one more time. A source close to Philip
Rivers describes a player who looks in better shape now
than when he played.

Speaker 9 (27:07):
This man is on the Hall of Fame ballot for
twenty twenty six. I just want to say this because
this is I had to tweet out. I love you, Diana.
You do great work where you have shared many bylines
together or less week. Really, anytime you hear.

Speaker 5 (27:25):
A player is in better shape than when they last played,
or when a player says I'm in the best shape
of my life, they're cooked. Every time I hear that quote,
I'm like, oh boy, the antenna's go up. This guy
can't play because I'm like, why would you be in
better shape now than when you actually play the game
of football? That makes zero sense? And you're older thirty
nine is a big difference between forty four. I've never

(27:46):
experienced it myself, not yet, at.

Speaker 2 (27:47):
Least in the NFL.

Speaker 5 (27:48):
But yeah, yes, absolutely so I had to laugh at that.
That was funny.

Speaker 3 (27:54):
Well, in one element to you know, Mark, you you
you mentioned Okay river soon.

Speaker 5 (27:59):
Sip phil is jacked up on the spirit of the
Lord that he is.

Speaker 2 (28:02):
Wow, that he is.

Speaker 3 (28:04):
Hey, hey man, brother, look at the man that might
that might hoist the Heisman Trophy on Saturday.

Speaker 2 (28:09):
I say he will throw the.

Speaker 5 (28:10):
Rock with righteousness and clarity.

Speaker 3 (28:12):
Probably you know what is in the YouTube in the
season of Heyesus. You never know how that could turn out,
you know, Mark man it mentions like okay, managing the operation.
You know, Philip is gonna know when whatever enough enough.
He's not gonna screw it up. He's not just gonna
throw the ball to the other team constantly, et cetera,
et cetera. I do think one element, probably the most
consistent best attribute to the twenty twenty five Colts is

(28:36):
significantly hurt with starting Philip ever Sunday, and that's Alec Pierce.
You know how much a lot of thirty yard I
shots cannot envision that you might have to have nine
people saying the block to get the ball down the field.
And then that's the question I'd have with with Rivers
if like there was a lot in that twenty twenty
season where he just sliced and diced and singles and

(28:59):
move onund is over, etc.

Speaker 2 (29:01):
Etc.

Speaker 3 (29:01):
Just a lot of just death by a thousand paper cuts.
But for some reason, the final drive in Buffalo is
kind of sticking out to me. When the Colts needed
him to throw second third level balls, it didn't happen,
and the arm just wasn't at NFL life, And who knows,
maybe five years of resting the thing in the backyard

(29:23):
all of a sudden has revived it. But you know,
when it went for Matt Ryan and went in a hurry,
when it went for Peyton Manning and went in a hurry.
I just don't envision five years all of a sudden
turning that arm into I can write checks.

Speaker 2 (29:38):
That you know I couldn't five years ago. So here's
the thing that I was thinking about last night. And
think about when your kid and used to play on
like the Merry go Round, right, and you try to
get going as fast as you could in fourth fifth grade, right,
so you could see if everybody could stay on, could
you jump on it while it was going really fast.
When you're on the carousel and you're hanging on, you're
kind of at that speed, right right, Okay, Once you

(29:59):
get off and then try to get back on, that's
a whole different deal, right, like this analogy, and it's
kind of I think that's what Philip Rivers is. Looking
at the speed of an NFL game, even though you've
experienced before, you are already on that carousel for the
entirety of your career. You've been off that carousel for
a while. Now you are charged with jumping back on

(30:19):
at the same speed. That's what I worry about, because
you know, you guys know him better than anybody. What's
the one thing all players talk about when they're first
acclimating themselves, even rookies in the prime of their life.
It's the speed of the game that you're not ready
for again. And my worry is, even though he spent
seventeen years in the NFL, eighteen years in the NFL,

(30:40):
whatever it was, to take five years off and then
come back and then try to play again at that speed,
that's my biggest concern for him. Yeah, I could not
agree more. Mark.

Speaker 5 (31:00):
That was great, Jeff, great analogy, Mark, a great way
to pick up the analogy and give us some audio
representation there. But to your point, I think, in a
nutshell what you just said, Jeff is it is very
hard to make up for five years of missed football
time with three days of practice, and you can't get

(31:20):
hit in practice. So as much as you want to
try to give game like reps, if anybody come close
to Phill the Rivers, they're getting cut. He's our last hope.

Speaker 2 (31:32):
Potentially he's got two red jerseys on I know.

Speaker 5 (31:36):
Yeah, exactly, so, I mean anyways.

Speaker 2 (31:39):
Well, he'd be playing with one of the protective covers
on the helmets Sunday too. He's the other thing we
see all the time, you know. I was. I was
watching the game with Patrick Mahomes last week and they
were talking about how he's still the fastest guy getting
rid of the football, right Brady used to They all
talked about how Brady could get rid of the football
in one point four seconds on every play average whatever.

(32:01):
Philip Rivers better get rid of the football in less
than a second and a half, don't you think, James.

Speaker 5 (32:06):
Yeah, I would lean towards your angle on that.

Speaker 2 (32:09):
Man. Oh man, it will be entertaining on Sunday if
he does indeed start at quarterback. And I am I
get it, I understand it. I can kind of get
on board with it. But I think there's a lot
of downside to it too.

Speaker 3 (32:24):
Kevin, Yeah, I mean there's a downside in any move
when you have your first three quarterbacks are hurt. So,
you know, we got into this debate a little bit yesterday.
You know, we had several people reach out and say,
this is embarrassing. And to me, embarrassing is you know,
not winning the easiest division the AFC for ten years
and one of the longest playoff drouts in the NFL

(32:45):
currently and the longest franchise is experienced in thirty years,
and you know two and eight against the Texans and
the Jaguars over the last three years, and that to
me is embarrassing. Right now, you are desperate, I mean
that is a like you can make the case when
they fired Frank Reich and hire Jeff Saturday, they weren't desperate.

Speaker 4 (33:04):
James.

Speaker 3 (33:05):
I forget what the record exactly was, but I believe
it was five hundred or like, right, there. They were
still in it at that point of the season, and
you still had over half of the year left.

Speaker 5 (33:14):
Right when they hired Jeff Saturday, Yeah, they were three
five and one.

Speaker 3 (33:18):
Was it three five to one? For yeah, for some
reason I thought it was three three four one.

Speaker 5 (33:21):
But no, you're fine, Like I always messed it up
because they were three two one one. Then they slide
two games and then you go from there. The big
man said, bring me my former center as the coach.

Speaker 3 (33:30):
You know, this to me is a when you are
at week fifteen of the season and you're one two
three on the quarterback death chart, is hurt, the trade
deadline is over. You have reportedly, I guess guys on
other practice squads declining to join your team. There's only
so much you can do. I mean, right now, we
are literally debating Brett Rippan or Philip Rivers. That's pretty

(33:54):
much what we're debating. And again to fill people in
on who Brett ripping is join the cult practice squad
and the days after Anthony Richardson got hurt, has been
with the team for two months, hasn't thrown a pass
in the NFL game since twenty twenty three, and has
started a handful of games in his career.

Speaker 5 (34:11):
Four games, well, four starts two and two is a
starter old is he twenty nine nine? But for his
career he's thrown four touchdown passes and nine interceptions.

Speaker 2 (34:22):
So that's what you are pretty much debating.

Speaker 5 (34:27):
Should they start the Battle Seahawk at one point.

Speaker 3 (34:29):
Or should they start Philip Rivers Bless you, Mark.

Speaker 2 (34:34):
Thank you. Check the text line two through ninety ten seventy,
Mike A says, and he's got pictures for proof. No
boy bought four tickets to this game in September. This
was in line to be one of the best games
of the NFL season before we went on the losing
streak and lost. DJ me and three friends go to
one away game every year. This is about to be
a long flight home, although he described it a different way.

(34:59):
Keep us in your prayers, lol.

Speaker 3 (35:02):
I do think it's one of the best atmosphere's best
stadiums in the league. And I remember I think it
was last time the Colts were there, Jacobe Brissett starting
on Sunday Night Football and Dashawn Bond the Warren Central
Product at center, and it was kind of a game
for a while there. I think Seattle pull that out
in the end, but the Colts were definitely I'm seeing

(35:22):
a lot of pull out jokes here. I'm not totally
following these.

Speaker 2 (35:26):
Was that related to Notre Dame or Philip Rivers? That's
why you got three kids?

Speaker 3 (35:31):
Believe Philip Rivers. I'm not really You guys might have
to educate me. During the break on that.

Speaker 2 (35:38):
Mark, I'll start drawing on the whiteboard. You and market
all kinds of discussions.

Speaker 3 (35:43):
Jack Doyle in ten and as James putting out earlier,
the last man to catch a touchdown pass and Mark
and a two point conversion from Philip Rivers.

Speaker 9 (35:51):
Back to back plays. Yeah, the old octopus, Well that's
what it's called. I guess it is today.

Speaker 5 (35:59):
I saw a video about it from the Buccaneers, I believe,
early in the season, and they were asking all the
players on the team what do they call that? I
guess it's called an octopus.

Speaker 3 (36:07):
I've never heard that, I assume in reference to eight points.

Speaker 2 (36:10):
Yes, makes sense. Uh, three to one second.

Speaker 5 (36:13):
I'll learn you something today.

Speaker 2 (36:14):
You gonna learn a lot today.

Speaker 3 (36:17):
Ears are open and eyes are looking at that Mark
Dagden's drawings.

Speaker 2 (36:21):
I got an anonymous textor we still know his name.
Who says, going back to IU, why can't we just
bring in Nate Sudfeld it's even available.

Speaker 9 (36:33):
I think it's because you still have playoff aspirations, and
neither of those guys him Lord elling Er, you know
ripping will give you any sort of confidence. Philip Rivers
has least been there, done that. I think that's why
they're taking the swing on this guy. But what about
five years ago? I mean five years in the NFL
is like I know, thirty years in real life. I mean,

(36:54):
did we ever get any than the average NFL career anyway?

Speaker 2 (36:57):
I guess is a.

Speaker 3 (36:57):
Point Feld on a roster?

Speaker 2 (37:00):
I don't even know.

Speaker 9 (37:01):
Look, did we ever get an answer on like, is
this the longest gap between playing and returning to play?

Speaker 5 (37:06):
It's gotta be so, I did see. I think it
was Albert Breer actually, especially for the NFL. I tweeted
something out about this, and.

Speaker 2 (37:16):
I could see somebody having like a being young and
having a severe injury and taking a long time to
get fully back from it. But I can't think of.

Speaker 9 (37:22):
That was five years as eons? That is what Alex
Smith three years? Hailey's common stuff? How long to take
Alex Smith to get back too and a half three years.

Speaker 2 (37:30):
Yeah, that sounds right.

Speaker 9 (37:31):
Nate Sudfel hasn't been on an NFL roster since twenty
twenty two. Really, Yeah, that's more recent than fill not
even like a practice squad or anything or camp roster.

Speaker 2 (37:41):
I've bet he's been in training camp. See, I would
hope while you're looking at u Verlin from Greenfield says,
let's we'll just get the band back together. Maybe we
can get freenye and Mathis to come back and give
us a pass rush t.

Speaker 5 (37:54):
Why's got to have some be able to and give
you a couple of catches, right, honest? To get him
the ten thousand even yards isn't even like a couple
hundred short. But here's Albert Breer and this was yet yesterday. Obviously,
what Philip Rivers is doing is rare, but it's not unprecedented.
In nineteen ninety eight, forty four year old Steve de
Burgh came out of retirement after five years away and

(38:16):
signed a one year deal with the Falcons. He even
started a game, a twenty eight to three loss to
the Jets for the Super Bowl bound Atlanta Falcons.

Speaker 3 (38:26):
Nate Sudfeld forty nine Ers training camp this year.

Speaker 2 (38:28):
It looks it looks like I.

Speaker 5 (38:30):
Will say this though, I believe this Steve de Burgh
guy had a chance to actually prepare for the season
and went into it perhaps as someone who was available
from the start of it. Not with four games to go, you.

Speaker 3 (38:42):
Know, I don't care who the hell is under center Sunday.
You got to revive this run game. You know, if
you look at losing four or five, everything correlates to
Jonathan Taylor in the run game. You could boil it
down to that and yeah, Kevin.

Speaker 5 (38:56):
You know what they're going to do. Oh for sure,
I get them under on JT's rustling right right, But
you have a hope and a prayer.

Speaker 3 (39:04):
Yeah, in any of these final four games, you have
to revive the run game and the defense can't look
like this.

Speaker 5 (39:10):
What do you mean? Phil Rivers is in the best shape.

Speaker 3 (39:11):
Of his life, and that I think is maybe the
biggest issue exiting Sunday is your defense played that poorly
against the Jaguars offense that has done not much this season,
particularly Trevor Lawrence. And now you're facing the top white
down in the NFL, likely down your top two outside corners.
And it's not just Jackson Smith and Jigba. I mean

(39:32):
Cooper Cup is still I think giving them something. And
they traded for Chicha Head at the deadline, and we
saw him torch the Colts a few years ago when
he was like a Randy Moss dead line was like
three checks in New Orleans.

Speaker 2 (39:46):
Yeah, big plays galore.

Speaker 3 (39:48):
So those are non Philip Rivers quarterback elements that matter
a whole lot, because it's not like when you look
at the playoff standings, if you totally ignored anything that's
going on with these football teams and you strictly just
looked at standings, the Colts are really not that far
off from making the playoffs. They need to win probably

(40:09):
two of their final four right and get some help.
They don't even need that much help. Yes they need
a little bit, but if they win two of four,
there is a definite pathway to making the playoffs, particularly
if you win the last two.

Speaker 2 (40:22):
But I would say those twos, those two if I
was gonna say, if you're gonna win two for two
four the ANFC South games as.

Speaker 3 (40:28):
Well, I mean, you always want to win your divisional
ones in your conference games more than the two NFC
games next two weeks. So like you know, when you gain,
you speak to and those terms. Like Mark Dyton played
Michael Pittman Junior audio to start off the show and
pitt you know, is thrown out the whole super Bowl phrase.
But you know, Shane Sacking was pretty fired up on
Colt Round Table Live Monday night, and clearly he had

(40:52):
walked out of that Monday team meeting imploring to his
football team, we've lost four or five. We're reeling physically,
but guys, we are also eight and five and if
you look at it, if we win to a four,
we're probably going to be one of the seven teams.
Which again, like when you say that in a vacuum,

(41:13):
it doesn't sound that ludicrous. Now when you walk out
of the room and you open yourself up to reality
and where we literally have debated for the last hour
Brett Rippin a hurt, Riley Leonard and Phillip Frickin' rivers,
then winning to a four cents a little bit more daunting.

Speaker 2 (41:29):
Here's the other thing I was just thinking too. If
you go two and two, yep, makes you ten and seven, right,
That means you've gone from seven to one and then
you lose six of your last nine.

Speaker 5 (41:40):
Hey, at this point, you're just trying to get in.
I will say this though, and I can tease it
for after we talked to mister Jack Doyle. But there's
one factor I think that we're kind of glossing over
when it comes to this QB thing.

Speaker 2 (41:52):
All right, we'll look forward to hearing that from James Boyd.
It's depended on with Kevin Boff and James Boyd, Mark Dyketon,
who is it is ever loving best today? Because this
just can't get any juicier for you, can't it. Well,
Kevin's about to learn some oh boy, some biology here.
Jack Doyle next on ninety three five.

Speaker 1 (42:10):
Fan Please, He's a fan morning show with kb Hab
and Jeff and.

Speaker 2 (42:17):
The Colts aren't dead yet.

Speaker 11 (42:18):
They're inside the thirty yard line of Buffalo, down by
eleven points. Rivers backs to throw on first down, dancing
in the pocket, tuck going way down, phelip for Jack Doyle.

Speaker 2 (42:27):
Who's got it?

Speaker 6 (42:28):
Touchdown, Jack Doyle, touchdown?

Speaker 5 (42:31):
Why indeed why?

Speaker 11 (42:33):
Rivers out of the gun, empty set now three receivers right,
he looks that way, fires into the and zone for
Jack Doyle he's caught it did to get two feet in, Yes, sir,
two point conversion, Jack Doyle and the Colts have climbed
all the way back.

Speaker 2 (42:50):
One of my favorite all time Indianapolis Colts tied in
Jack Doyle getting not only a touchdown but the two
point conversion from Philip Rivers. That was Was that the
last time that Philip Rivers threw a touchdown for the
Indianapolis Colts Markers, That's just the one we found. I
know I might be asking for too much there, but
either way, those guys hooked up a few times for
touchdowns and Kevin did a nice job lining this up,

(43:13):
finding Jack Doyle, who's joining us now on the Payless
Liquors Hotline this morning. Does that bring any memories back
for you? You ready to come back and play and maybe
back up Tyler Warren? We ready to go.

Speaker 4 (43:23):
Yeah.

Speaker 10 (43:24):
I don't know about all that, but that definitely brings
back some good memories. And you know it also brings
back man, I wish we would have won that freaking
playoff game in Buffalo is what it makes me think.
But but no, that was fun and obviously getting that
year with Philip was it was.

Speaker 3 (43:39):
It was a was a blast, Jack that that two
point conversion was a hell of a catch.

Speaker 2 (43:43):
Yeah. I just went back and watched it.

Speaker 10 (43:46):
Yeah, No, that was a that was a Philip play,
you know, and it was a you know, we were
in I think we were in twelve personnel. I think
it was me and Trey out there, and Phil knew
how to get you know, the sub guy went unguarded
Trey and then you know he kind of got doubled
in the middle, so we knew I'd be opening the
back and again that was That's a credit to what

(44:06):
Philip could draw up man and he kind of saw
that on film and we knew that was a two
point play going into the game.

Speaker 3 (44:12):
Well, as Jeff said, we appreciate the time here. Jack
Doyle with us on the Payloff Suckers Hotline. We traded
a few texts yesterday. Your response, football is life for
mister Rivers. Could you touch on the football obsession during
COVID year that you got to witness with Philip Rivers.

Speaker 10 (44:28):
Yeah, you know, that was a shout out to the
ted Laso fans and Denny rohauston football his life. That's
what I think about when I think of Philip. You know,
you know, the thing that comes to mind with Philip
is just he's such a unique character. And I say
that in the best way possible. And this guy is
just a football junkie and it's football the time, and
you know, he was such a great teammate and his mind,

(44:50):
you know, that's what I couldn't get over, just how
he just would get us in the right play over
and over and that's run a pass, and you know,
you could we would be sitting in a meeting and
you know, say we're preparing for the Steelers or something,
and they're you know, heavy sasas pressure, and Philip would
be like, oh yeah, you know talking to Nick Siriana
Nick Gianni, who was offen square of time. Oh I remember

(45:12):
we had this with the Chargers in fourteen. I think
it was like, you know, our second drive of the
third quarter. Can you go look up that play and
show it to the guys, and it'd be like right
on point. He knew exactly what play it was, what
the pressure was, and how they kind of attacked it,
and it's just a It just shows how his brain
kind of works and.

Speaker 4 (45:30):
How he's wired.

Speaker 5 (45:32):
Jack. Thanks again for joining the show. James boyd. Here,
I'm going to ask the hard hitting questions on this show.
So with Philip Rivers and him knowing notoriously not to curse,
is he the best trash talker who doesn't say any
bad words?

Speaker 4 (45:47):
Yes?

Speaker 10 (45:47):
See, he's the best trash talker period that I ever
played with. Okay, I mean he does not stop, and
it's all in fun, and he's just the ultimate competitor
and he gets under guys which is hilarious.

Speaker 4 (46:02):
And he's just such a great teammate. You know.

Speaker 10 (46:05):
That's you know, not knowing anything about him, and he
you know, he when he showed up in twenty twenty,
and you know, I'm you know, I'm thinking that my
memory of Philip Rivers is like, man, I didn't like
this guy. You know, I was a Colts fan growing up,
and you know, he knocked the Colts out of the
playoffs there in the two thousands or whatever. I can't
remember the years, but you know, and he was always
talking trash to the fans. I'm like, man, I don't

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like this guy that he came in and he just
carries himself in a way that like all he wanted
to do was be a good teammate. Get to know
his get to know the other players, and just be
one of the guys. And I just have so much
respect for him.

Speaker 5 (46:38):
I need Philip rivers micd up immediately, like from the
time he lands in Indianapolis to get ready for practice today.
But one more and more serious note, when you look
at his career, the man is accomplished darn near everything
in the NFL, say for the Super Bowl win, but
counting stats, longevity, respect from Piers, all of that. So
when you factor in perhaps the respect that he still

(47:01):
has in that locker room, how much do you think
that helps? Because you know, unlike someone who normally be
stepping into these disposition, he still knows I would say,
what ten starters for the Colts right now, or at
least about seven or eight. So do you think that'll
help just him ease back into things when it comes
to trying to restart this NFL career.

Speaker 10 (47:21):
Yeah, for sure. I mean, I mean the cults are
ling a little bit over this past month, and I
wish I was in the Wednesday Offensive meeting that's coming up,
you know, probably here in the next hour or so,
and and just the energy that Philip's going to bring
to that room is something that's unmatched, and I can
imagine being up there and you know, who knows what's
going to happen, but him going through you know the

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you know, the his cadence and and how his kind
of tone is with his cadence and all kinds of
different things. He just he's going to bring an energy
to that group and hopefully kind of wake us up
over there on West fifty sixth Street.

Speaker 2 (47:56):
What do you think this offense with him under center,
come out out of a five year retirement, what's it
going to look like? Realistically? Tell us what those first
two series are going to be.

Speaker 10 (48:08):
Well, he'll have no like the plays will be the same.
He'll have no problem you know, knowing the play calls.
He can show up there and and call any play
that they're running right now. You know, maybe the checks
and things like that. You know, they'll have to kind of,
you know, figure out because maybe Daniel had things a
certain way or you know, stuff from his past that

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they've kind of emulated in their offense. But he'll he'll
know what he's doing. He'll and he'll be able to
communicate with the guys. You know, if I had a guess,
I could see them going some sort of up tempo
and just kind of trying to keep it simple and
you know, him getting you in the right play and
maybe that takes the crowd out of it a little
bit and he's able to communicate and just getting guys

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up to the line and just figuring out the you know,
the best play for the Colts to be in.

Speaker 2 (48:57):
Are the Seahawks just going to throw the kitchen sink
at him from a blitz pack his perspective.

Speaker 10 (49:02):
Yes, I mean that's what I would do. And you
know they're gonna have to prove, you know, and Nicolet's
kind of got to prove that anyways they get they
got to gash somebody with with with all the pressure
they're seeing, you know, in the run or pass game,
it doesn't really matter. But the thing about Phil, it
is like like like I was minching earlier, he's seeing
every blitz and you know, Phil, there was times when

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he'd call out the defensive guy for saying, you know,
you know, telling the linebacker he's supposed to be bossed
over a little more because they're about to bring this
SaaS pressure or whatever. It is, like, hey, you're miss aligned.
Your coach is gonna yell at you like you're supposed
to be. He just he just is. He's so unique.
The way his brain works is just awesome. I mean,
lay in that twenty year I feel like a lot

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of my catches were on checks that he made at
the line for just from seeing, you know, different things.
We'd be in a run call and he sees a
pressure coming and he'd get us in a in a
quick pass or something like that to kind of take
advantage of it. So they're just again, his brain is
just so you geek in the way it's wired. And
if anybody can do this, I mean, it's it's freaking

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Philip Rivers.

Speaker 2 (50:05):
That's Jack Doyle.

Speaker 3 (50:06):
Jack Oil podcast over in the Colts Audio Network has
been a great listen all year long with Jack and
Matt Taylor and Jack's with us here on the payloss
Slickers hotline.

Speaker 2 (50:15):
Jack, I don't remember.

Speaker 3 (50:18):
I think it's been a trend a little bit more
here in recent years league wide, the Colts have definitely
started it.

Speaker 2 (50:23):
Did. Did Frank do walk.

Speaker 3 (50:25):
Through Wednesdays late in seasons very often with you guys?

Speaker 10 (50:29):
You know, I thinking back, we were doing walkthrough I
feel like we were doing them on Thursdays. I don't
know if that's right. I might be completely wrong. Practice
walk through Thursday walk through, Yeah, and giving guys a
day in the middle of it was kind of our schedule.
But yeah, I think I think especially when they added

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the extra game, I think that's probably when it became
more prevalent around the league.

Speaker 3 (50:55):
Yeah, and I bring that up. The Colts have done
the walk through Wednesday last two weeks since the signing
of Philip Rivers yesterday, they now have changed their practice schedule.
They'll go all three days starting today, Thursday and Friday.
Last one from me, and it's just more of a
reminiscing story the Josh Freeman Ryan Linley week for you guys.
This is I would say this is probably the most

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dire in season weekly quarterback situation I can recall for
the Colts since that week. I forget which season, it was,
fifteen sixteen, something like that. What do you remember about
that week in which you guys literally had to get
two quarterbacks ready to play?

Speaker 10 (51:34):
Yeah, I think it was the last game of twenty fifteen.
And yeah, we went in with I remember Clyde going
up there and kind of going through the game plan
with the quarterbacks, and Josh Freeman did all the you know,
bass stuff right.

Speaker 4 (51:49):
And he was running the offense.

Speaker 10 (51:51):
And then Ryan Linley came in on two minute drill
and that's how they kind of prepared them both, and
they both were the I think Ryan Linley, I don't
know if we went down and got a touchdown, but
there was a two minute drill in that game where
I know we went down and got points.

Speaker 4 (52:07):
So yeah, it worked out well.

Speaker 10 (52:08):
But you know, the thing that I remember most is,
you know, it was late in the year and you know,
obviously we had you know, we had lost Andrew and
then I think we had lost and then Matt got
hurt down in Miami the game before, and you know,
you kind of walk in there with you know, your
head's kind of hanging low, and then you kind of
walking back up by this you know, new point and

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and and everyone's kind of rejuvenized and and and you
go out there and just play football and see what happened.
So hopefully, you know, Philip can have that kind of
effect on the on the locker room coming in today.

Speaker 2 (52:41):
Last thing I got to know, Jacket, Ye honestly, after
you heard about this last night, you and any of
your former teammates have any kind of a text chain
going on about can you believe this? Or anything like that.

Speaker 10 (52:51):
Yeah, you know, I was texted with Moe Ali Cox
yesterday and I was just like, Mo, you could write
a book on your story as a Colts player. I mean,
all the stuff that's kind of you know, you know
going on with you know, obviously Andrew's retirement, and you know,
Jeff's Saturday coming in to coach, and then now this.
I mean, he's just he's been through it in his career.

(53:15):
But man, it's gonna be a heck again. I have
no reason to doubt Philip Rivers. I know there's people saying,
you know, some people are laughing at this, calling it crazy,
all that fun stuff. But Philip's got to prove to
me that he can't do it, because you know, I
won't doubt that man for one second.

Speaker 2 (53:33):
Good stuff, Jack, Thanks for joining us. We appreciate that
you're teaching high school right now, right middle school, middle school.
I'm off today though, just Monday Fridays sounds good. Enjoy it.
We'll talk to you soon.

Speaker 3 (53:46):
Thanks Jack.

Speaker 4 (53:46):
Thanks guy.

Speaker 2 (53:47):
There you go, Jack Doyle, and I think I know
the answer this but you went to high school with him.

Speaker 3 (53:52):
Chries correct, great, great human. I have enjoyed the Jack
Doyle podcast this year, him and Matt Taylor. It's been
a fun listen they have over there on the Colt
Soudi End Network. And I think, you know, he kind
of got to some of the points about, okay, if
this is going to work, how you know, he mentions
the up tempo potentially let Philip kind of manage everything

(54:13):
at the line of scrimmage. Honestly, you might take some
of the Shane stake and calling reins off with Philip Rivers. Hey, phil,
this is what we're thinking. Let's go a little up tempo.
Let's try to quiet the crowd, Let's try to get
defense hands on the hips if possible, and you know whatever,
here's half a dozen play calls. Operate as you please,

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and you know, Jack's just little anecdotes there. The two
point conversion call that Mark played to lead off the interview.
You know that is the last time Philip Rivers don't
a touchdown or two point version in a game. Was
the Jack tol in that Bills game. And it's funny.
I just went back and watched that play on YouTube.
You can see Philip Rivers, you know in twelve personnel
as Jack exactly lined out. You know Trey Burton's going

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one way and you see Buffalo react to it, and
he's got Jack, I believe on a linebacker and boom,
You're going to take that matchup and Jack wins it
and you have a huge two more conversion on that play.
And you know how many catches did he have in
that season where he just told us it was because
of Rivers check. So that's what you're banking on. You
are banking on mental acumen to the nth degree. But

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of course that gets you how far that's the question
you have. I think it's as far as I get you.
That he brought up the up tempo.

Speaker 2 (55:27):
I wonder and James, if he has that much of
a command of the offense, and you talk about the
mental acumen, maybe the best defense for yourself offensively to
keep Seattle at bay is to go not just up tempa,
maybe just go no huddle, make checks and calls up
the line. If he can do that, that keeps that
keeps a lot of substitutions off the field, That keeps

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Seattle a little bit off balance. It kids gets them
not being able to reorganize every every huddle.

Speaker 5 (55:54):
Yeah, I don't hate the theory. But the other side
of it is you also have to get the other
guys up to speed, like you're not speaking the same
language right now that you did back in twenty twenty.

Speaker 3 (56:04):
There, Phillips got to meet them like, this is not
a normal quarterback walking in there. He's got to get
up to cite. You don't know. There's no way you
make this move. You have enough physical questions about Philip Rivers.
There is no way you make this move with thinking
Phillip's not going to be able to be mentally.

Speaker 2 (56:21):
Yeah, he's got to catch up with that.

Speaker 5 (56:22):
Yeah, But I still think that there is an element
of a two way street there where the little nuances
you had before, when you had an entire season to
build chemistry with guys is not there. I don't care
how much film you've watched, how much you know the offense.
You have never played with Alex Pierce before, you never
played with Josh Downs before, you never play with Tyler
Warren before. Obviously these are good problems to have if

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you're returning to NFL team. There's certainly worse pass catches
you can have. But that's my point there is that
I get that he might be the most well versed
and studied guy when it comes to NFL offenses, he
still has not played with these dudes. How much you
can you know, go up tempo and no huddle on
all of that in a matter of days. And even

(57:05):
if you are capable of doing that, there is still
what he has a case of old. So I don't
care how quick you are, and you know how cerebral
you might be. Boy, there's a lot of players who
could think the game out. Hell, Michael Jordans will probably
be playing if he could physically do it, because he
can think the game out. He's a killer. But I
just don't think that that's necessarily a realistic approach. But

(57:27):
at this point, realistic is probably out the window, and
you're just trying to see, you know, throwing stuff at
the wall, see with sticks and see what can work.

Speaker 3 (57:34):
Yeah, I mean if that fastball, which I don't think
we ever looked at the Philip Rivers velocity, especially late
in his career, and thought it was the biggest concern too.
We didn't think it was a role to Shapman, you know,
call it, Greg Maddox, Yeah, okay, if that fastball is
lost any miles per hour, now all of a sudden,
one of, if not the best defensive league. Just to

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reiterate everybody what Seattle's done.

Speaker 2 (57:56):
They have not.

Speaker 3 (57:57):
Allowed a touchdown in the last two games. I mean,
they are one of the best defenses, bar none, in
the league no matter how you slice indice it. And
I would argue that environment is one of the most
hostile to play in the league. So if the third
and six window, if old Philip Rivers used to throw
at eighty one miles per hour and that thing comes
in at seventy one, that might not seem like a

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big difference. But if that dB is able to get
one hand in there and that ball's tipped up in
the air, now, all of a sudden, where are you?
Those are the questions, and like movement, I get, we
poke fun at. I literally spit up my coffee yesterday
when I got an email about prop bets for Philip
Rivers for Sunday, and one of the prop bets was
will Philip Rivers end the game with more grandchildren or

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rushing yards?

Speaker 2 (58:44):
I'd go I'd go grandchildren. That's one, right, he.

Speaker 3 (58:47):
Has oun grandchild. And again, sacks do not count for
rushing yards. So the old QB sneak gonna happen a
couple of times, will they'll have a QB sneaker too,
But in all seriousness, you could be looking at a
rookie right tack. So we've it's the element that I
was talking about earlier. We've already called him a statue.
And if that pocket movement is if you called it

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two percent with a healthy Philip Rivers, if that's a zero,
as weird as that might sound, then every time there's
a little bit of a muddy pocket, which we've seen
some lately, is he just going down the fetal position.

Speaker 5 (59:21):
That's the other factor that I was teasing earlier is
Jalen Travis. He's stepping in in a humongous role when
it comes to where your team is at at this
point in the season, the opponent you're going to face,
and oh, by the way, we have a new quarterback
coming in. So as much as we've talked about how
Phillips Rivers has to get up to speed so are
from miss speaking, but when you look at Jalen Travis,

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he also has to get up to speed when it
comes to what the Colts want to do. And I'm
not saying he can't, you know, be successful, but boy,
this is stepping out of high school stats class and
going up to ap calculus in college or something. The
Seattle Seahawks will so only try to exploit him as well.

Speaker 3 (01:00:01):
James, I only want to gets that tease that you
had a little bit earlier about the Colts quarterback.

Speaker 5 (01:00:05):
There you go, situations.

Speaker 2 (01:00:07):
Oh that was it?

Speaker 5 (01:00:07):
Yeah, Okay.

Speaker 3 (01:00:09):
The other item I wanted to say is we want
Philip Rivers miked up. I want all eleven defenders for
the Seattle Seahawks miked up. Can you imagine the amount
of Grandpa jokes. I just want to hear them in
the they're going to have. I want to hear them
Philip Rivers. Yeah, it will be a legendary NFL Films
game coming up on something.

Speaker 5 (01:00:25):
Telling me if I'm Seattle, honest to god, if I'm
the Seattle defender, I'm like, I'm going to send you
back into retirement. Dead Series. There's no way I'm an
a forty four year old guy beat me.

Speaker 2 (01:00:35):
Can you imagine the guy who cuts and edits all
the tapes down into offensive packages and defensive packages. He's
sitting back in probably his little basement office, going through
tape or whatever, and he gets a phone call from
Mike McDonald like on Monday night, goes, hey, go find
that that Bill's Colts playoff game from five years ago.
I need that whole thing broken down.

Speaker 3 (01:00:56):
Honestly, one of my biggest takeaways from the highlight Mark
that you just played was zero. It's like six thousand
fans at that playoff game.

Speaker 9 (01:01:04):
The inside the NFL episode where they do miked up
that should we must watch for Colt Seahawks.

Speaker 2 (01:01:10):
Yeah, they could make a whole series out of that
this year. Just to hear Rivers trash talking again, all right,
let's check it down. Mark Dayton. Oh, we've been talking
about it NonStop over the last i don't know, twenty
four hours or so here on this radio station. But
it appears to be a reality. The Indianapolis Cults are

(01:01:32):
poised to sign Philip Rivers to their practice squad and
look to put him in at least as the quarterback
in a practice session today as they get ready to
take on the Seahawks at four to twenty five on Sunday.
You mentioned Kevin yesterday. That usually it's a walk through Wednesday.
They have changed that to a full practice today. What
does that suggest to you? Yeah, one o'clock.

Speaker 3 (01:01:52):
It's just to me that Philip Rivers has dictated some
of this change in all seriousness, or the cults realized, hey,
two practices won't be enough. So yeah, they'll go back
to their kind of early season schedule because James health wise,
this is the reason why they go to Wednesday walk
through is late in the year. Health Wise, I think
it's the most banged up they've.

Speaker 2 (01:02:09):
Been all year.

Speaker 3 (01:02:10):
Yeah, they're decimated right, Everything health wise would indicate no, no, no,
you walk through today, but given their quarterback situation, they've
decided to change that schedule. So one o'clock today, full
pads practice.

Speaker 9 (01:02:24):
You should do full pads Oklahoma drill for three hours.

Speaker 2 (01:02:28):
James is vicariously living through defensive players for the Seahawks.

Speaker 5 (01:02:32):
I'm telling you, I mean not to ram rave about this,
but I feel like this. Whenever I play basketball anywhere
in the guy across from me is like fifty plus.
I'm like, you're not going to stay in front of me.
I'm going to run you to death. So there has
to be an evident element of competitive nature that says,
I'm gonna letting the old guy beat me. He ain't
Tom Brady.

Speaker 2 (01:02:51):
All right, So we know Philip Rivers may be the
quarterback for the Sea against Seattle for the Indian Upolis
Colts on Sunday, But what are we learning about? How
badly is Riley Leonard hurt? And what does the offensive
line look like? Those two things are on my mind today.

Speaker 3 (01:03:04):
Go yeah, I mean, the Riley Leonard nee injury is
still one that I guess we need just further clarity
on of could he somehow battle through it again? Given
his makeup as a quarterback and this would be his
first ever start in the NFL, I would be skeptical
of a limited Riley Leonard on Sunday, But still that
remains to be seen. And yes, at right tackle, as
we've talked about Braden Smith exiting with a neck in

(01:03:26):
a concussion. So you know, the Colts have started the
same offensive line for twelve to thirteen games this season. Weirdly,
the Colts have been incredibly healthy on their offense this
year until we until Daniel Jones went down, but whiteouts,
they've been very healthy. Donathan Taylor has played every game.
Tyler Warren, you know, the old line's been again incredibly durable,
But looks like Brayden Smith could be iffy for Sunday.

(01:03:50):
So as James said, rookie fourth round pick from Princeton
to Iowa State, the biggest dude I've ever seen put
on a Colts uniform, Jalen Travis all Right.

Speaker 2 (01:03:58):
To college basketball. Last night Assembly Hall was rocking Indiana
Big Ten matchup against Penn State. Yeah, Penn State's not
that great. Still, Indiana wins it one thirteen seventy two,
and my, oh my, Lamar Wilkerson sets an Assembly Hall
scoring record with forty four points, also a record for
all of Indiana. Homer roared ten three point field goals made.

(01:04:20):
He was ten to fifteen. I pointed out that with
fourteen twenty six to go last night, Kevin he had
outscored Penn State thirty five thirty four at that point
in time.

Speaker 3 (01:04:29):
Yeah easily, yeah one. I mean, the greatest scoring performance
we've ever seen in Indiana uniform. I mentioned this earlier
in the show. I was shocking. They showed up the
graphic during the contest as he hit three after three
after three that the all time three point three pointers
made in a game for Indiana was Matt Roth, Rod Wilmot,
and Rob Johnson. I you know, like I said earlier,

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would have guessed Eric Gordon or James Blackman Junior Jordan Halls,
but man Lamar Wilkerson can fill it up. And you
know again, I you has his firepower of like. Yes,
they've obviously had issues this season, but they are capable
of just producing some unbelievable offensive nights and certainly last
night was one of the most points they've scored in
a Big Ten games since nineteen ninety and.

Speaker 2 (01:05:13):
They will play playing Kentucky on Saturday. It's been tough
go for Mark Pope down there so far too. He's
a chance to really get on him Kentucky's.

Speaker 9 (01:05:21):
That's when it's Valpo shout out to the Beacons. Give
it a shout out to another Hoosier, Kyle Schwarver getting
a bag from the Philadelphia Phillies yesterday, five years, one
hundred and fifty million dollars, coming off a career high
fifty six home run one hundred and thirty two RBI season.
It's good for him. Go Go, Go Go.

Speaker 2 (01:05:41):
Also coming up later on tonight, college basketball Perdue will
be hosting Minnesota. That one starts at seven o'clock. Notre
Dame same time, will be hosting Idaho this evening. And
you've suffered a tough blow with the Notre Dame basketball
team lately too, Kevin. That's why he's wearing the Tito's hat. Yeah,
he's just drinking and drinking. Yeah, it's been an all
week all right.

Speaker 5 (01:06:02):
Hey, seriously though, prays for Marcus Burne.

Speaker 3 (01:06:04):
You guys cackling, Mark.

Speaker 2 (01:06:06):
And Jeff, No, it's at the Tito's hat. Was respectful?
You too, Twist everything for the course, twisting everything. I'm
bringing the seven Lakers.

Speaker 3 (01:06:17):
I'm surprised he's hearing what he wants to hear.

Speaker 2 (01:06:19):
Again, Jeff, I heard laughs?

Speaker 3 (01:06:21):
Did I not hear laughs?

Speaker 2 (01:06:23):
I was laughing at the joke he made about the
Tito's hat. And you're drinking heavily.

Speaker 9 (01:06:27):
Keep learning about the birds and the bees over there.
I gave you of drawing material.

Speaker 5 (01:06:31):
There's a crazy line in there with Lord her get
a pretty big favorite right tonight.

Speaker 2 (01:06:37):
You would think so, but then they how that go
against Minnesota at the barn? Well, that was Indiana, Indiana.
I'm sorry, Indiana, that's right. That one that did surprise me,
though he surprised at any lost in Minnesota up there.

Speaker 3 (01:06:52):
Yeah, I added, Minnesota is any good twenty and a
half point favorites twenty and a half.

Speaker 2 (01:06:57):
It's a good, good, get right game.

Speaker 3 (01:06:59):
Oh way, I saw that. Just you want to talk
about a horrific sports injuries story. I know Indiana hasn't
confirmed it, but Kurt Signetti was kind of weird in
his Yeah chat postgame about injuries. Saw the video micking
the rounds yesterday? If Stephen Daily, Indiana's i'd say star
pass rusher and defensive end has had an outstanding season

(01:07:21):
for him. Video shows him literally trying to high five
fans after the game at Lucoshilo Stadium on Saturday, and
he goes down with what looks to be some sort
of leg knee injury. I believe was carted off during
the celebration. And again, I don't want to play the
internet rumor mill too too much, but I think Kurt
Signetti is not or shining away from addressing it in

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postgame or you know, press conferences, but some reports he
could be out for the playoffs.

Speaker 2 (01:07:46):
That looked weird because you're right, he's along the behind
the end zone there fans are leaning over to get
a high five, and he's kind of give him a
high five, and all of a sudden you can see
that buckles just a little bit jumps up. Olympic horrific.

Speaker 3 (01:07:57):
I mean, honestly, in the state of Indiana injuries that
we've had over the last months years, that one might
take the cake considering how it happened. And he's been great,
you know, one of the best tackle for lost guys
in the entire nation. Leads a big ten in that,
so I guess we'll await confirmation on that.

Speaker 2 (01:08:14):
But boy, the video is just awful. All right, anything
else you guys going to throw in? All right? Coming
up at a moment, we'll talk more about the Indianapolis
Colts and their chances against the Seattle Seahawks with a
quarterback who hasn't played in over five years. That's coming
up next. Ninety three five and one seven five of
the Fan.

Speaker 9 (01:08:34):
This is the top song of nineteen eighty one, the
year of Philip Rivers was born. So there you go,
four years older than the Colt said coach, and six
years older than the Seahawks head coach.

Speaker 2 (01:08:45):
Hmm wow.

Speaker 3 (01:08:47):
Happy forty fourth to Uncle Phil again, James Boyd, Mark
Dyke ten Uncle Phil all birthdays in the same week.

Speaker 2 (01:08:54):
How about bat How about the quite the threesome there?
What do you think chances are that out the course
of this week.

Speaker 3 (01:09:01):
I'm not going anywhere with them and Philip rivers because
you want to talk about Michael Phelps a level swimming
that is certainly true.

Speaker 9 (01:09:09):
He's got enough force power for three men's.

Speaker 2 (01:09:13):
I'm just gonna let those two the conversation's funny.

Speaker 3 (01:09:18):
James, I did have a question about your colleagues over
at the Old Athletic and the Heisman Trophy.

Speaker 5 (01:09:24):
Oh boy, am I in trouble? So, by the way,
I'm gonna vote for those listening. If you missed yesterday,
I thought Dave done great stuff. Fornado Mendoza's high school coach,
he joined us again. The Heisman Trophy ceremony is Saturday,
at the same time as Indiana Kentucky basketball opposite networks,
of course, So we know Diego Pavia from Vandy, Jeremilah
from Notre Dame, Julian Say in Ohio State the other

(01:09:45):
Heisman finalists. With Fernado Mendoza, you guys did a Heisman
straw poll, which you know, I think we see this,
you know, kind of around you know, sports media at
times with these awards. Basically, what you do is you
you read. You know, James Boyd, if he did a
straw poll for NFL MVP, he would reach out to uh,

(01:10:07):
you know whatever, his colleagues around the NFL that cover
the various teams and they would all say, James, I
vote for this person for MVP. You'd collect the votes
and you would let us know. So one of your
colleagues has done that from a college football since and
he has. He did twenty five people. Jeremiah Love got
un vote, un first place vote, Fernando Mendoza got fourteen,

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and Diego Pavia got eleven.

Speaker 2 (01:10:33):
I was surprised to see it that close. Fourteen eleven
and one stop.

Speaker 5 (01:10:41):
I'll stop by the New York Times offices and handle
this later today. That's a travesty.

Speaker 2 (01:10:46):
It should have been.

Speaker 5 (01:10:50):
My high take when it comes to Heisman Trophy winners
MVP winners is that there should be more unanimous ones.
I don't see a scenario where Diego Pavia should be
the Heisman.

Speaker 3 (01:11:03):
Now Vegas personally has the odds shrinking a little bit
for Nana Mendoz is still the definite favorite. Pavia is
at plus six point fifty, so that would be ten
bucks to win sixty five. It is interesting. I think
we've talked about this maybe a few weeks back. And
by the way, who do we got Scott doctor what's
his last name? James I butchered earlier. Doctor Man is
going to join US College Football Rider coming up at

(01:11:26):
nine thirty to talk more about this. But it is
a no matter who wins a Heisman, I assume it
will be for Nana Mendoza. It's one of the worst
years for the Heisman Trophy ever from a statistical standpoint,
like if you look at Mendoz's numbers for example, or
even Pavia and compare it to the last like ten
Heisman winners.

Speaker 5 (01:11:44):
Yes, it's like at mass Gency if you were born
a year later, you'd win it this year.

Speaker 3 (01:11:47):
Oh overwhelmingly, Yeah, I mean it's you know, basically, the
Heisman Trophy winner typically is you throw for north of
four thousand yards and you have like north of forty touchdowns,
and right down Mendoza, I think it's under three thousand yards.
If I'm not mistaken even with the Big Ten title.
Touchdown wise it's it's north of thirty, but still so
Pavia is slightly better individual numbers. But of course Mendoza

(01:12:10):
better team. I would argue better moments, you know, whether
it's the Big Ten title or Oregon or Penn State
or even Iowa.

Speaker 2 (01:12:19):
But I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:12:19):
I just found that interesting of like, are we living
too much in the Big Ten bubble here? Because you
do have voters from all over the college football nation here,
and is this going to be a closer reward than
we think? That straw poll would indicate, yes, it's going
to be closer.

Speaker 5 (01:12:35):
Yeah, I think it will be closer. And also I
thought Vegas is just again clairvoyant when it comes to
this type of.

Speaker 3 (01:12:41):
They're dead wrong another day making the playoff.

Speaker 5 (01:12:44):
Oh seriously, I actually didn't check those outs.

Speaker 2 (01:12:48):
They underestimated the folks in that committee room that wanted
to send a little bit of a message to Notre Dame.

Speaker 3 (01:12:54):
Well, are we underestimating the SEC with this? SERI you
got me nervous. Oh man, it's Vanderbilt. I don't want
to act like it's the Alabama quarterback here. I think
I think Mendoza because if I'm not mistaken, I believe
the window to vote started Saturday and close Monday. Well,

(01:13:14):
everybody was watching what on Saturday night.

Speaker 5 (01:13:16):
I was going to say, do the moments matter? Yeah,
and that matters to me.

Speaker 2 (01:13:20):
You brought that up, and that's what I've been thinking
all along when you take a look at the moments,
because there are not gotty statistics for any college football
player this year for the most part, So it is
about moments and in the biggest moments that mattered to
Indiana this year. Behind on the road late at Iowa City,

(01:13:40):
throw a pick six, come right back and win a
football game on the road at Oregon. You're down to
Ohio State in the middle of that game, and you
put together a touchdown drive and you guys hang on
to win. And then another big moment, the pass when
you need to run clock and keep Ohio State out
of it, you throw it to Charlie Becker downfield in

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a big moment. He just keeps coming up with moments.

Speaker 3 (01:14:07):
Kevin, Oh, yeah, again, I would give the war the
Award to Mendoza. To be clear, I just thought it
was interesting. I did see yesterday Zach Ostmer had this,
uh We've obviously see Mendoza make the media rounds here
as Indiana tries to continue to market him from a
Heisman standpoint. And yesterday he mentioned that he had trouble

(01:14:28):
sleeping the other night due to his Lucas so oil
turf burns, and so he dialed up Heisman Trophy speeches
on YouTube.

Speaker 2 (01:14:38):
So he just watched. I thought.

Speaker 3 (01:14:39):
He said he watched like five or six Heisman Trophy speeches.

Speaker 2 (01:14:41):
It's preparation.

Speaker 3 (01:14:42):
His speech will be epic on Saturday night. I had
fun watching him in the said Monday he is WWE
promoter has met Joel whatever his name is, the the
the Preacher dude that's on my TV. Yeah, Sunday morning.
If those two had a kid, who's the biggest ww
HE promoter of all time, Mark promoter or you know,

(01:15:05):
just you know whatever media personality John Cena hype man.
If John Cena and Joel the Preacher dude had a kid,
it'd be Fernando Mendoza.

Speaker 5 (01:15:13):
Here's one from Michael Alpo saying his last name correctly Nisiolic.
He covers n.

Speaker 2 (01:15:19):
That's joining us tomorrow, by the way.

Speaker 5 (01:15:21):
Oh nice.

Speaker 3 (01:15:21):
So he we're gonna figure out how to say his
name by themore.

Speaker 5 (01:15:25):
That would certainly help radio. But he covers I you
for the Herald Times, and he had a quote yesterday
that I loved from Brenanda Mendoza. I didn't want to
get fine and put a bad image out there for
the university describing his flipping Champs line, what a guy,
What a guy?

Speaker 3 (01:15:42):
Sounds like the Colts quarterback.

Speaker 5 (01:15:44):
I know, how do you get to two of them words?
That is a great idea.

Speaker 3 (01:15:49):
I think there's a lot of similarities on Hampton. I
honestly think there's a lot of similarities between Shane Steichen
and Philip Rivers from a verbal sense.

Speaker 2 (01:15:59):
Fee was a little more entertaining.

Speaker 3 (01:16:01):
Well yes, but I mean in some of their language
and some of their for sure.

Speaker 5 (01:16:06):
But but man, if you can vouch for this when
we get Shane off the record, he certainly has some
edge to him. Oh but which I would imagine most
coaches are like that. But just that is a great
little peak behind the curtain. The dude is he's wired. Yes,
he's wired like Philip.

Speaker 3 (01:16:22):
And he loves Philip Rivers like I love Bacon, Notre Dame,
Tiger Woods, Blue Poweraide, Nacho cheese, Dorito's.

Speaker 2 (01:16:30):
Ketos in my family, You're the best.

Speaker 5 (01:16:35):
Notice that family was listed last.

Speaker 2 (01:16:36):
I don't know, man, Wow, save the best for last?

Speaker 5 (01:16:40):
Nice saved there?

Speaker 4 (01:16:40):
What to go?

Speaker 5 (01:16:42):
You tell James to shut up?

Speaker 4 (01:16:43):
That was nice?

Speaker 2 (01:16:44):
I thought.

Speaker 3 (01:16:44):
James telling me to shut up yesterday on air?

Speaker 5 (01:16:46):
Yeah, I did feel I feel bad about that.

Speaker 3 (01:16:48):
So Jeff and Mark laughed at me last segment, cackled
at me. And I believe it, Marcus Burton if I
heard them laughing at Mark's joke and James.

Speaker 2 (01:16:59):
Boy told me to shut up A week to go,
hold on, hold on, I gotta go. I'm a hug.
I love the view of the world here. Yeah, he's
over standing in the corner. While he's standing in the
corner feeling shame. We're gonna take quick time out. We'll
talk more Philip Brothers time out. Is there a move
to be made? Is there more magic to be pulled
out of the hat for the Indiana Pacers. We'll talk

(01:17:19):
about that as we continue in ninety three five and
one seven five the fan Oh, Mark's on one today.
It's my favorite Frank Sinatra song. By the way, he's
got a bunch of them.

Speaker 3 (01:17:31):
Jeff might be in the mood for a third tonight.

Speaker 10 (01:17:33):
M m.

Speaker 2 (01:17:34):
That will not be happening. The third will not be happening.

Speaker 3 (01:17:38):
Philip Rivers in inspiration on that got the best of
Frank Sinata right here.

Speaker 9 (01:17:42):
Oh look a bottle of wine. I'll that get there.
What's what these beta bros? Oh you remember we went
to France last summer.

Speaker 2 (01:17:49):
We just went little pills going. We just found the
hatch had a whole case of wine delivered from one
of the wineries we visited last year. Looking forward to that.
Whoa oatally good?

Speaker 5 (01:17:59):
All right, come on, I might have got no bottle
of wine deliver. You got a Tito's bottle sitting on
yo coming over.

Speaker 2 (01:18:05):
Kevin can bring his Tito's and we won't have a
good time. Marcus, just simply is there a cam quarter
set up? What's going on?

Speaker 3 (01:18:12):
Is this simply Philip Rivers going out back for a
smoke break. He he's got to get out of the house.
Too many kids, too much case. I mean you imagine
this Christmas time with ten kids.

Speaker 9 (01:18:22):
Well, they've they've said this economy is not that great,
and they're the retireads are coming out of retirement to
go back to work. That's what Philip Rivers is doing
is like, I can't do this anymore. These bills are
killing me.

Speaker 5 (01:18:30):
I know the jokes are hilarious, but I genuinely believe
this dude loves football just a little bit more than
maybe anybody else. If you think about it, there's no
and again I'm not, you know, rewriting anything new here,
but Jack Doyle had to absolutely love football to play

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at the level that he did and be as successful
as he was. He's younger than Philip Rivers. He's never
thought about going back out there, and that's the case
for ninety nine percent of athletes to leave the game,
and this dude is, to his credit, even over the
last five years, has kind of retired but never fully retired.
He signed the one year, one day contract earlier this

(01:19:14):
year back in July with the Chargers to retire as
a Charger and was crying and all of that, and
then later that month he goes in to Dan Patrick
show and says, you know what, I can still play,
and he's just wired like that.

Speaker 3 (01:19:28):
And now he needs the Chargers to lose to get
his current team into the playoffs.

Speaker 2 (01:19:32):
Which circle you know, it would be awesome. What would
be awesome is if that both of them become wild cards,
Philip Rivers has to play the Chargers in a wild card.

Speaker 9 (01:19:42):
Game, Well, you would need one to I understand point
in time, that would be awesome.

Speaker 2 (01:19:48):
You know.

Speaker 3 (01:19:48):
I said it to lead off the show. I said
it to lead off the show with you guys, but
just to reiterate it, it's amazing, you know, on the
commun in this morning, I thought to myself, can you
imagine on August tenth me walking into the studio or
at training camp wherever we were doing the show at

(01:20:09):
that point in saying to you guys, hey, guys, Philip
Rivers will start more games for the Colts this season
than Anthony Richardson.

Speaker 9 (01:20:20):
I was thinking, what's a more ridiculous statement if you
to come in a training camp and said the Colts
will be seven and one at the top of the
AFC at some point this season, and they will also
start Philip Rivers a quarterback. If you would have said
either of those, I think the latter I.

Speaker 3 (01:20:31):
Had him starting five and two, so like seven to one.
I mean, yes, it was obviously a great starter, but
like to me, Mark, it's got to be the Rivers one.
It has to be has to be, and that's what
very well we could be looking at. So again, cults
to practice at one o'clock today. They've changed your schedule
to a practice on a Wednesday, since Philip Rivers has arrived,

(01:20:52):
and we will get clarity on him and Riley Leonard
and the knee injury and Brett Rippon looking like me
at a heigh dance and so on and so forth.

Speaker 2 (01:21:02):
All right, and we're going to talk to Stephen Holder
about all of this coming up in just a few minutes.
He will give us the latest from his perspective to ESPN.
Speaking of ESPN, sham Sharanya yesterday guys reports that the
Pacers have engaged quote in active trade talks around the
league to find a center of the future after losing
Miles Turner and free agency. Unquote. James, you had rightfully

(01:21:23):
said that you you were just too busy with cult
stuff yesterday and Philip Rivers to worry about that. But
that's not insignificant. When sham Sharanya reports that Kevin Bowen, so.

Speaker 5 (01:21:32):
What would you be giving up? I have no idea.
That's the thing.

Speaker 2 (01:21:36):
I too, would you give up for the right guy?
And I haven't gone enough through the list yet, But
for the right guy, would you trade that first round pick?

Speaker 9 (01:21:46):
Hell no, hell no, I need my top ten pick.
And let's that Center is Jokic. I honestly have viewed center.

Speaker 2 (01:21:53):
It's not gonna happen. Well hear me out.

Speaker 3 (01:21:55):
Yeah, I viewed center in the NBA a little bit
like a running back in the NFL. It matters, but
it it's a luxury like That's just kind of how
I look at the position. Wings and guards matter more.
So No, no chance I would do that. And to
that point, and right now, I'm not trading mathering either,

(01:22:17):
but you know that I'm biased.

Speaker 2 (01:22:19):
I love Matherin. I'm right there with you. KSL and
Salt Lake City's Ben Anderson's even reported have inquired about
Walker Kessler for a long time, so that maybe that's
you're looking.

Speaker 3 (01:22:30):
At first round pick for Walker Kestler. You might as
well get the whole state of YouTube.

Speaker 2 (01:22:33):
But my point of the discussion is that we're not
giving up the first round point. I wanted to throw
it out there so that we could refute that. But
we're talking about guys like Walker Kestler. If they go
out and get somebody and then to your point, Kevin,
what do you end up giving up for a guy
like Walker Castling James.

Speaker 3 (01:22:49):
Were you surprised at all? No injured reserve for Mooney
War Yesterday the Colts made several roster moves involving cornerbacks,
but nothing for Mooney Wall. I I hate to even
say it, but you know, it's the reality of covering
an NFL team. I mean, he doesn't play the rest
of the season, right.

Speaker 5 (01:23:08):
I would think to know because three concussions in fourteen weeks.
The last one you had before this one you contemplate
a retirement, had very bad symptoms. Now I'm hoping, I'm
praying that you were not experience singalo symptoms right now.
But yeah, I just think that you really have to
be very, very careful with that.

Speaker 3 (01:23:32):
Well, and you know what I thought was careful yesterday
lou Ana Roumo's comments about him. Asked, yes, multiple times,
I believe you asked it. Asked multiple times about Javarius Ward,
and again, just to provide context, this is his third
time in concussion protocol in three months. I don't think
I've ever seen that for a Colts player. Every time
he was asked about it, he immediately or eventually got

(01:23:55):
back to the.

Speaker 2 (01:23:57):
Human being.

Speaker 3 (01:23:58):
Yes, human being, human being, not cornerback guarding Jackson Smith
and Jig Bond Sunday, it was human being. So well,
I'll wait further clarity on that as well.

Speaker 2 (01:24:09):
Stephen Holder, we'll ask him all these questions and more.
Coming up next, It's ninety three five and one oh
seven five of the Thanks Job as always by the
one and only Mark Dyton. Here as we get ready
for our number three of the Fan Morning Show with
KBJB Jeff and of course Mark dyketon that whole thing
and the thing that jumps out of me, Kevin bon Is,
Tony Kornheiser saying, this feels a little desperate to me. Yeah,

(01:24:31):
how else would you describe it?

Speaker 12 (01:24:32):
Desperate, entertaining, frightening, genius. All got a lot of choices. Yeah,
let's find out what our next guest thinks of this
whole thing. He covers the Colts as we know, for
the ESPN, and he's been a good friend of our
station for many, many, many years, and he's been all
over this story is it's been unfolding as the rest
of us have been watching. Stephen Holder joins us now

(01:24:53):
on the Payless Liquors Hotline. If you had to choose
one word to describe this, what would your word be?

Speaker 2 (01:25:00):
Stephen Holder?

Speaker 4 (01:25:03):
Ouch? Because when you're forty four, and I can relate
because I'm a few years older. Everything hurts, Okay, My
net hurts when I got up this morning. My shoulder
hurts a little bit because that's left a little crooked.
The back is okay today, but give it time. I mean,
that's life man in your mid forties. Okay. I don't know, man,

(01:25:27):
I'm what I am here for this. Let me just
tell you as I look my whole take on Sports
Center yesterday, they asked me what I thought. I said, well,
I'm a storyteller, and damn it, y'all just gave me
a great story. So let's go. Let's go. I am
here for it. I don't know what is going to
come out of this, but I am on the edge

(01:25:47):
of my seat.

Speaker 2 (01:25:48):
Again.

Speaker 5 (01:25:49):
We're speaking to Stephen Holder, cole supporter for ESPN and
our residence celebrity in the media room. Are you a
great see on TV? Stephen?

Speaker 4 (01:25:57):
I should be a lot richer if I was a celebrity.
That just doesn't calculate. But go ahead.

Speaker 5 (01:26:03):
But speaking of celebrities. Phili Rivers certainly has a track
record and a resume that completis to put him in
the Hall of Fame. I'lbeit a little bit later if
he actually joins the active roster. So let's start there, Steven,
how realistic do you think it is fan to get
activated and join this team as their second healthy quarterback.

Speaker 4 (01:26:24):
I think it's actually really seriously possible. I mean, you
think about it. You don't make that phone call unless
this is a real possibility. I think, you know, because
if you're Philip Rivers, you're not just going in there
to just you know, maybe sort of kind of if

(01:26:45):
we need you, we'll call you. Yeah, I mean, the
possibility had to be real. And I'm not suggesting that
he's definitely playing. I'm not saying that. I do think
there is still some uncertainty about Riley Leonard and whether
he can play. He hasn't been ruled out, that is
for sure, right, but they have to have a lot
of doubts. I mean, you and I talked to Shane

(01:27:08):
Stiken on Monday, and the vibe I got for him
from him was that this is a real thing. You know,
he didn't have any answers, and he seemed like almost
admitting like, yeah, well we got problems. You know, you
could just kind of read his body language, and I
gotta I gotta tell you, I think if Riley can't play,

(01:27:30):
I think they go with Philip and this is what
we're going to see on Sunday. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:27:33):
When change got real vague about the Brett Rippen answer,
I thought to myself, Oh boy, they're doing something that
is out of the ordinary, right.

Speaker 5 (01:27:40):
That was the old What are we like, Well, you know,
give us some more time.

Speaker 3 (01:27:44):
Yeah, and then sure enough, here we are first time Steven.
I guess I'm going back and I apologize. But you
know you were obviously on the beat. When Philip Rivers
did play for the Colts in twenty twenty and then
he retires. I've always heard like mixed things on that,
like did he really want to be done? Did the

(01:28:05):
Colts tell him they wanted to go in a younger direction?
Remember it was a two year deal originally for Rivers.
Do you remember ever getting any clarity on that?

Speaker 4 (01:28:15):
So if I recall, I think they gave him a
one year deal because it was like twenty five million.
But I know what you're referring to and I believe
it was sort of an unwritten second year, if you will, right,
Like it was kind of a handshake, like, well, we'll
do it on paper for one year, but the idea is,

(01:28:36):
let's give us two years so we can figure out
where we're going. And him and Frank Reich have a
similar relationship to that of Shane Steichen and Phillips, so
there was really a seamless transition there. I remember the
day the news came out that Philip was retiring, he
made that announcement. I had a long talk with Frank

(01:28:58):
Reich on that very day and he was bummed about
it a little bit because he hadn't quite moved on,
and I don't think the Colts had either, but they
did tell Philip we want to consider our options. And
at the time I think that was the spring where
Matthew Stafford was out there. Obviously Carson Wentz his situation

(01:29:21):
coming to its apex in well, apex is definitely the
wrong word, but an end I guess in Philadelphia, So
there was there were a lot of machinations going on
in terms of quarterback, and I think the Colts were
looking at it. I think mostly Chris Ballard was looking
at it from the perspective of, look, this is not

(01:29:42):
a long term solution, and I owe it to my
team to try to find one. I agree with that,
but I also think in retrospect, there really wasn't a
great long term solution outside of Stafford at that moment,
and they were not willing to make that deal or
weren't able to make that deal. So yeah, Rivers, in retrospect,
looks like if they would have, he looks like a

(01:30:05):
better option. I'm sort of full of bustering here, but
what I would finish by saying is this, I think
had they come to Philip and said we're all in
for twenty twenty one, he would have been more likely
to go through with it. They gave him, They gave
him an opportunity to consider his options, and when he
did that, that's when he decided, you know what, I'm
fine retiring.

Speaker 3 (01:30:26):
Okay, getting back to present day, we did see the
Colts on the transaction log yesterday. They worked out a
quarterback by the name of Seth Hennigan. I believe it's
how you say it's undrafted free agent out of Memphis
spent the off season.

Speaker 4 (01:30:40):
If you say, so, okay, thank you.

Speaker 3 (01:30:43):
I was waiting for you to correct me on that.

Speaker 4 (01:30:45):
I have no idea, so you're fine with me. So
I never heard of the guy.

Speaker 3 (01:30:50):
He's a drafted free agent out of Memphis Jacksonville spent
the off season with the Jags. I was on the
practice squad for a month. But that's it, Like they
didn't do the big quarterback tryout necessary. I think I
guess there's a report out there that they might have
tried to get Sam Ellinger off Denver's practice squad. I
don't know, you know how much that has been confirmed
or not. Did you hear of any other quarterback whispering

(01:31:12):
besides just Philip Rivers.

Speaker 10 (01:31:14):
No.

Speaker 4 (01:31:14):
In fact, we we hadn't even heard about what's the
young man's name, you know, we hadn't heard about Seth.
Good old Seths, Good luck to you, Seth. We actually
were told that initially the Philip Rivers workout was just
that Philip Rivers. And so I think that speaks to

(01:31:35):
their what what was said privately, it was demonstrated by
their actions, and that was they think he's a better
option than what's out there, even better than Seth apparently.
And I think Listen. I don't know if if that's
going to prove to be true, but I also understand
how they come to that conclusion. It's bad. Right, we

(01:31:59):
are in the second week of December, all right, there
are no quarterbacks to be had at this time of
the year. They're just aren't. You can recall I think
it was I don't know, maybe late twenty ten's do
you remember the year the Colts had I think in
week seventeen had no quarterback. They had some injuries, and

(01:32:19):
they signed two guys off the street, one being Josh
Freeman who had been out of the league for at
least a couple of years. And I can't even remember
who the second one was.

Speaker 3 (01:32:28):
I mean Ryan Lindley.

Speaker 4 (01:32:30):
We actually Ryan Lindley.

Speaker 3 (01:32:31):
We had Jack Doyle on about an hour ago. Thanks
for being flexible, Steven, and Jack went over that week
because I this the only other time, Steven, I can
recall the Colts being in this die of a quarterback
situation in again and week since.

Speaker 4 (01:32:44):
Then, right, And so I think that is a precedent
for sure, and it speaks to the level of desperation
you're in at that point. I mean, Ryan Linley was
selling real estate man and they pulled him all. I
think he was in Arizona, maybe like living out in Arizona,
and they were like, hey, you want to play football
this week? And he was like sure. And I think

(01:33:06):
Josh Freeman was playing in some semi pro league that
I literally had never heard of, and I was like,
this has got to be the most ridiculous thing I've
ever seen. And they actually split those two guys in.
I think one played red zone and the other guy
played the rest of the snaps. I mean, this is
the most ridiculous thing, but it was a ridiculous situation.
That's where they're at right now. That's how crazy this

(01:33:28):
is that that's like the only point of reference I
can even think of. So maybe Philip Rivers is their
best option.

Speaker 2 (01:33:35):
Talker to STEPHENHOLERESPN dot com. He covers the cults and
there's a lot to talk about. We've talked about health,
We've talked about what's going to happen to quarterback here.
I'm still curious, how's this defense going to hold up
against a Seattle offense that all of a sudden with
sam Donold and some of the receivers they have, and
certainly a capable running game. Are you worried about how

(01:33:57):
many points they allow in this game?

Speaker 4 (01:34:00):
Yeah, they're missing probably the three best players on defense,
So yes, I think when you unless there's some miracle
and the forest Buckner gets back this week, I don't
know that it's going to necessarily transform things, but it
would help Mooney Ward being in concussion protocol. I'm sure
you know we've kind of covered that this week. That

(01:34:22):
is very concernings. This is his third time this year,
so that speaks for itself. You're not going to see
that guy this week, if ever, right, Sauce Gardner, I
don't get the sense that he's in play this week.
And then, as I mentioned already, the Forest Buckner is
still trying to get back, eligible to return this week,
but it sounds like next week's more realistic from what

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I understand. So that against that offense and the way
it's been rolling and JSN at receiver and the way
that offense has been moving, I just don't know, it
has the potential to be ugly. There's no question about it.
And and the truth is, look, they haven't done a good
enough job in the past. Rush and Luanaumo admitted that yesterday. Uh,

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they have covered decently, but I think ultimately the personnel
losses are catching up to him. That that's what it is.
This defense was designed to be a defense that was
solid at all three levels with the personnel that they
had put in place, and they just they don't have
that personnel right now, and you need to be at
your best in a game like this, and they are not.

Speaker 5 (01:35:30):
Stephen Holder. One more from me. So my colleague Donna Russini,
who I love and respect, she put out there her
source that Philip Rivers is in better shape than he
was when he played. So what are your thoughts on
him being in quote unquote top tier form physically.

Speaker 4 (01:35:51):
He's probably been doing a little CrossFit, you know exactly.
I've heard good things about it. I don't know about that.
I will say this, Look, I don't agree with that
because I don't think that's seemingly possible. But listen, I've
had sources tell me things that were ridiculous too, and
I wrote them right. I didn't believe it, but I'm like,

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that's what the guy said, right. Fine. I will say
this one of the things that at least gives some
I guess context to the idea that this could potentially work. Potentially,
Philip Rivers couldn't move when he was here. Okay, he
not only was emobile, he was iMobile and I think

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with a stress factor in his foot. So what are
we talking about. We're talking about a guy who never
left the pocket like Ever's. He is the same guy
now in that respect, so we'll see. I mean, it's
not exactly the same. You obviously have to be able
to navigate the pocket, even if you're not running and
necessarily away from the defense. You still need to be

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able to slide, move, navigate, and those are the things
that I think are still a big question mark, you know,
given how long he's been out of the game. But
we will see. He was not, though, the most fleetful
footed guy to begin with, so you know, we'll see
how much he's fallen off.

Speaker 3 (01:37:13):
Steven last one for me and again appreciate the time
and being flexible here with us on this Wednesday morning.
We could be looking at Philip Rivers starting the final
four weeks of the season. We could be looking at
Riley Leonard, you know, starting at some point again or
I guess so it would be his first start, but
starting as well, So you know, given that context, how
much do you think the final four weeks of the season,

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with the Colts likely needing two three wins to get
in the postseason, how much do you think it matters
for the future of Chris Boward and or shansdeiken.

Speaker 4 (01:37:46):
Man. I this is what I believe. I think if
you are Curly Orsa and her sisters, Carly or Gordon
and her sisters, I think you have a good sense
of what you're in tensions are now. I don't think
you can let these last four games truly change your position.

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And I don't know what's the right move right, but
I think you have to go with wherever you're at now,
because if you're swayed by this, you're not getting an
accurate depiction of anything. What are we even looking at?
You know what I mean? Like, what is this? This
is a train wreck. The building's on fire, you know
what I'm saying, So like we can't make any judgments

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on that. I don't think as much as I'm not
defending Chris Ballad or saying psyching like get them out
of the tailspin, right, But at the same time, you
know what are we talking about? This is this is
not a true depiction of anything, and I don't think
it really tells you anything about your team. So I
would say the right move, whatever it is, is to

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not put a lot of weight into what happens down
the stretch here because it's kind of like not real.
I mean, Philip Rivers is playing quarterback. That's all we
need to say.

Speaker 2 (01:38:58):
It's kind of not real. I'm going to put that
up on a on a wall somewhere like.

Speaker 4 (01:39:03):
A bumper sticker, right. I think about that every day.
That's your slogan for life, like everything you see happening
in the world. Yeah, this isn't real.

Speaker 2 (01:39:11):
Well it's gonna be real on Sunday afternoons. Steven, thanks
for stopping by again. Thanks for being flexible today. We'll
talk to you soon, all right, see you guys. There
is from ESPN. It's kind of not real. It almost
feels that way, doesn't it.

Speaker 5 (01:39:26):
Yeah, I mean I am been in the toy I've
been in the Twilight Zone since I started covering the team, though,
so I'm gonna stay here.

Speaker 3 (01:39:33):
I laughed at Brian Brian Goes. I doubt it was
CrossFit because everyone knows that if someone does CrossFit, they
let you know they do CrossFit.

Speaker 2 (01:39:40):
Good point. That is a very Brian that made me chuckle.
I saw one yesterday after we get out there too.
Somebody said there needs to be a thirty for thirty
made about just the last twenty four months of sports
in the city of Indianapolis. I mean, think about it
quite pressing from the well, but but I mean everything

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if I mean you do have some high highs.

Speaker 3 (01:40:04):
The Pacers got all the way to Game seven, there
were some incredible cinematic moments. Obviously, Indiana football season speaks for.

Speaker 9 (01:40:11):
Itself for due going to the final four Ford Well,
you know what, you gotta go back.

Speaker 5 (01:40:16):
Only a propos when you read that, because I was like, oh,
it's the Pacers, and well I fever actually had a
nice run as well. But to your point, I agree.

Speaker 2 (01:40:22):
But and then you think about having an college football
championship game here, You think about all star games that
have taken place here, You think about all the things
Caitlin Clark coming here, all the things that are going
crazy now at the Indianapolis Colts. It really would be
an amazing thirty for thirty for folks who are certainly
interested in sports in this area.

Speaker 5 (01:40:39):
Well, sign your boy up. I'm ready to be on TV.

Speaker 2 (01:40:42):
Mark, start producing that, all right, you and I will
start getting that taken care of.

Speaker 3 (01:40:45):
That last question for Steven, do or should these four
games matter for the future of Chris Bouder Shane Steikin.

Speaker 2 (01:40:55):
I kind of agree with what he said where. I
think the die has pretty much been cast, you take,
so the die is just where. Then if it doesn't matter,
then they're back. I can't imagine that Chris Ballard is
back unless all the sudden Philip Rivers comes in wins
three or four in a playoff game.

Speaker 3 (01:41:10):
So it does matter, you know, is that gonna happen?
Sounds like a conference championship game. It could only matter
positively for you.

Speaker 9 (01:41:16):
Yeah, if he's not back, why do they let him
deal to future first round picks?

Speaker 2 (01:41:20):
It's a great, great point.

Speaker 5 (01:41:21):
That is a good point, Mark and great one question
is hard to answer.

Speaker 2 (01:41:25):
Because the seasons.

Speaker 3 (01:41:28):
And you know, we're going to get to the end
of the season and it's gonna get murky with timelines,
the Colts were out of the playoffs, like Colts are
out of the playoffs right now. Like I feel like
if the Colts lose three of their last four, we're
gonna get the end of season, be like, well injuries,
you know, to Danie Jones. D I mean they were
out of the playoffs and Daniel Jones got hurt.

Speaker 2 (01:41:48):
Like it was.

Speaker 3 (01:41:49):
It was spiraling downward before that, right, So.

Speaker 2 (01:41:54):
Just you call them in and say, okay, give me
your plan to fix this. Once the season is over,
she brings them in, they have their end of the
year review of everything that's going on. And at some
point doesn't she just take off the hat and look
right in the eyes to Chris Ballad and go, tell
me what your plan is to fix this? How are
you going to fix this?

Speaker 3 (01:42:17):
Didn't he do that to her father last January?

Speaker 2 (01:42:19):
Well, this is the first time she's doing that review,
So I don't know.

Speaker 5 (01:42:23):
Yeah, Ballot actually told us on these airwaves back at
the Combine that Jim Mersey told him to fix it.

Speaker 2 (01:42:29):
But would we say, up until that Daniel Jones injury,
he had fixed it.

Speaker 5 (01:42:35):
No, that's the point that that's what I say. You
were out of the player losing, They were already sliding.
So I don't think there is a definitive right or
wrong answer here. I think multi made good points.

Speaker 3 (01:42:45):
The point Mark makes is one that I can't get
out of my head of like, you don't let your
organization make that trade if you don't think this is
the core you're with for the next whatever twenty four months,
will say.

Speaker 9 (01:43:02):
Yeah, I think with that move, when again, the report
was that she said do you want a band aid
or do you want to fix this for the long term?
And they fixed it for the long term by pulling
the trigger on that trade. Right, wrong or indifferent? You
are tying yourself to Chris ballor are you least saying
we trust you enough to get rid of our next
two years worth of first round picks.

Speaker 3 (01:43:20):
So that's on one side of it, and the other
side of it is we could be looking at the
biggest claps the NFL scene in what thirteen years James right,
twenty twelve bears is that the last time a team
has started and the man of the cults have started
and missed the playoffs?

Speaker 2 (01:43:33):
Yes, if the cults were in it, and everybody and
everybody involved goes yeah, but so and I get it.

Speaker 9 (01:43:38):
That trade happened when it was blue skis and sunshine
and the cults were feeling themselves and looked like sky
was the limit. But now reality's starting to set in
and everything's it's like, well, you felt good about it
a couple of weeks ago. Now the wheels are kind
of falling off. You still feel as good about it
as you did, because right now you don't have your
best defensive player. You don't have the guy you traded
two first round picks for. You don't have those two

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first round picks anymore, you don't have the quarterback that
you had traded for. You're so far down the options
list that you're picking forty four year old guys up
to come rescue you, and you still have one of
the best offensive players in the league.

Speaker 2 (01:44:14):
On your team.

Speaker 9 (01:44:14):
I feel like if he's not back, you are setting
up whatever the new GM would be. You're punting his
success down the road a couple years because he doesn't
have any first round picks to try to fix what's
currently ailing this current team.

Speaker 2 (01:44:29):
Here. I don't know how you can even judge that.
Here's Jordan and Carmel, who says definition of insanity sticking
with Ballard and Stichen and expecting things to change for
the better. Ballard put us in this position by drafting
a quarterback fourth overall with little to no experience playing
the position. At a high level. He knew that decision
would shoot him in for additional years having a job

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because it would be tied to a project quarterback. We
can't keep sticking with his rhetoric of well they've done
just good enough. Maybe we can get over the hump.
It's been half a decade. It's ti time to make
a change.

Speaker 3 (01:45:02):
This topic will have bigger discussion stuff coming. But aren't
we up against it?

Speaker 2 (01:45:06):
We are up against it. But we can do a
very quick checkdown.

Speaker 4 (01:45:14):
All right.

Speaker 2 (01:45:14):
We'll start with the Colts and the Seahawks four twenty
five on Sunday. Is Philip Rivers James going to be
the starting quarterback for the Colts when they take the
field in the rainy Northwest?

Speaker 5 (01:45:24):
I don't know. We'll see what the week brings.

Speaker 2 (01:45:27):
How badly is Riley Leonard hurt. That's the other thing
we're looking to find out over the next couple of days.
Sounds like Shane has left the door a jar a
little bit for that to happen, But it also sounds doubtful.

Speaker 3 (01:45:38):
Kevin, Yeah, I might guess is it'll be Rivers, But again,
we still got a few days to figure all that out.
Brett Rippen is the other healthy quarterback on the practice squad.
So yeah, Colts get out on the practice field. The
rare December Wednesday practice in the Shane Stakeing era. It'll
occur today at one o'clock all right Ton College basketball.

Speaker 2 (01:45:56):
Last night, Indiana went at home one thirteen seventy two
over Penn State. Lamar Wilkerson forty four points, ten to
fifteen from three point range. That's an Assembly Hall record
for points. It's a record for three points made at
Assembly Hall by an Indiana player. And if you like
what's happening at Indiana basketball and under this resurgence we're

(01:46:19):
hoping for with Darren Derees, you certainly liked that game
last night.

Speaker 3 (01:46:22):
Yeah, you can see why Aaron DeVries felt the need
to get on a plane and make sure that he
secured the transfer portal of Lamar Wilkerson. I know Kentucky
was one of the teams very highly sought after of Wilkerson.
Forty four points. Yeah, beats Tray Shax and Davis' record,
And you know, it's just a reminder watching it. I
get Penn States terrible, but like Indiana has this ability offensively.

(01:46:43):
You know again, I know Marquette struggled as well, but
they put up one hundred. You know, college teams just
don't put up one hundred, let alone one hundred and
thirteen on a routine basis. So the resume is still
going to need more substance to it. But man, last
night was another reminder thirty assists. I mean, they do
have offensive firepower that I don't think many teams in
college basketball have.

Speaker 2 (01:47:02):
Also college basketball, last night ball State losing at home
to South Dakota State sixty eight sixty four. Tonight, pretty
good night Notre Dame. We'll host Idaho at seven o'clock,
but I'll be watching number six per Due the seven
o'clock tip up at Mackie against Minnesota James. That's a
fun watch right there. I think good chance for Perdue
to get back on track here.

Speaker 5 (01:47:20):
Yeah, certainly after getting blitzed by Iowa State.

Speaker 2 (01:47:24):
All right, there were two NBA Cup games last night.
Orlando beat Miami one seventeen one oh eight, then Nicks
over Toronto Raptors one seventeen one oh one. After this year,
can we do away with the courts and then do
something different with the courts? Maybe I'm over those? Maybe
what do you think about those Kevin, you have thoughts
one way or the other on whenever you tune in
and you see that eye glaring thing going on.

Speaker 3 (01:47:45):
I just remember that that Pacer Celtics sam for years
back in the quarter final round was an awesome, awesome
game for the Pacers. Really started their you know, kind
of magical run there here.

Speaker 9 (01:47:54):
Put as much effort in the NBA Finals courts as
you do the NBA Cup courts.

Speaker 2 (01:47:57):
How about that Mark You had a note in baseball.

Speaker 9 (01:48:00):
Kyle Schober five year, one hundred and fifty million dollars
with the Philadelphia Phillies, So good for him.

Speaker 2 (01:48:04):
All right, coming up in a moment, we have who
James to talk about.

Speaker 5 (01:48:07):
What Scott Doctorman and talk about IU.

Speaker 2 (01:48:10):
All right, that's next ninety three five one, seven to five.
The fan is this.

Speaker 7 (01:48:16):
It's really amazing because I've covered this league for twenty
years now and Indiana it's the ultimate Cinderella story. Last
year was the completely glass slipper, the pumpkins and everything
for Indiana to do what it did. But this year
you look at Indiana and the way it competed against
Ohio State, and if you remove the forks, the Iu

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off the helmet and put a running w for Wisconsin
or somebody else. You would have never have guessed that
that's the team out there because they were so good
and they were able to handle Ohio State and the trenches.
They of course had the best quarterback and best player
in college football on their on their team, and they
did it without maybe their best receiver, Omark Cooper. I mean,

(01:49:01):
I'm blown away to see what Kirk Signette has been
able to do with Indiana because it's just this was
not a team They've had stretches, slashes here from there
into one Randall l James Harvey Era even to love
each other a few years or so with sah Allen,
nothing like this. They are legitimately the best team in
the country right now.

Speaker 5 (01:49:22):
Scott, I know you were boots on the ground here
Indianapolis for the Big Ten championship and for those who
wanted to be in there indoor and obviously would have
loved to be a part of that. Saying you just
describe what it was like to see that sort of reaction,
and I know you interviewed like a fan who came
with his you know, daughter, and there were tears, So
just s the same for us for one of the

(01:49:45):
more ridiculous, crazy great heights in collegetable history.

Speaker 7 (01:49:50):
You know, it was an amazing atmosphere because, as we.

Speaker 2 (01:49:52):
Know, I mean to say, hey, Scott, can we call
you right back? We're having a really hard time understanding
on this on this phone, like we call you right Beck. Yeah,
I think it just died altogether. So that solved that
problem we're trying to get about back.

Speaker 3 (01:50:05):
But yeah, he sounded like Ohio State's offense trying to
move against Brian Haynes a company.

Speaker 5 (01:50:09):
Honestly, good job got it, Big third and one stop
and actually I think they had two of them.

Speaker 3 (01:50:16):
The one third and one they threw to love or
not Love Jeremiah I'm thinking of Jema Jeremiah Smith in
the end zone. Great coverage there, and then saying that
was a weird QB sneak like I couldn't tell ifee
like slipped or what. But Indian obviously did a great
job there. And then of course you had to kick
on the last one.

Speaker 2 (01:50:32):
All right, we've got him back now, Scott. And then
James was asking you about that that great story that
you had written.

Speaker 5 (01:50:36):
Yeah, just the scene there in the Big Ten Championship
at Lucas Osadam, can you describe what it was like?

Speaker 4 (01:50:43):
It was amazing.

Speaker 7 (01:50:44):
I mean you look at the crowd itself. I mean,
Ohio State's just down the road, and they traveled better
than any other fan base in America. But to see
the way both sides just kind of exploded through each
and every place seemingly was incredible. But one thing that
really stood out to me versus even the other Big
Ten Championships or bowl games that covered, was the Indiana

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fans did want to leave. I mean, half hour forty
five minutes after the game, I'm still out on the field,
I'm talking to fans and there's still thousands of fans staying,
like wanting to soak up every ounce of the every
moment that you saw of this incredible event. And the
players were so ecstatic. They all wore these Big Ten

(01:51:28):
medals around their neck. I remember Tyreek Tucker when he
walked into his the interviews, the first thing he did
was he pulled over Indiana Big Ten Championship t shirt
over his pads, just because he wanted to just show
he was so proud of himself. But there was tears,
there was just so much joy and energy, and I

(01:51:51):
don't know what that means for Indiana going forward. They've
got an incredible story to try to finish here. But
what it transpired in Indianapolis was true a magical night
and I don't think anybody who was there or witnessed
it will ever forget it.

Speaker 3 (01:52:05):
And that's Scott document from the Athletic. Great scene setting
from Saturday night in certainly what is a night that
many people in the state will never ever forget.

Speaker 2 (01:52:14):
Scott.

Speaker 3 (01:52:14):
Do you have a Heisman vote?

Speaker 7 (01:52:17):
I do, yeah, and I turned it in after that
game that I can't I can't officially reveal it until
Saturday night, but I can tell you that I hedged
my vote on depending who the winning quarterback was, and
I'll just kind of leave it at that.

Speaker 3 (01:52:32):
There you go. Yeah, we debated a little bit earlier
in the show. You guys had up on the Athletic
via that Heisman straw poll, and I believe it was
twenty five votes and fourteen of them went to Fernado Mendoza,
with I think it was eleven or maybe ten going
to Pavia and one going to Jeremiah Love. Were you
surprised to see it that close like Diego Pavia, you

(01:52:54):
know what, just a couple of votes away from you know,
winning your guys version of the Much Much Taper down
nine hundred and thirty votes of the Heisman.

Speaker 4 (01:53:05):
A little bit.

Speaker 7 (01:53:05):
But I guess what I look at is, I mean,
we're all we all live in different regions of the
country and cover different people, and I think, you know,
we have a lot of people who also work and
live in the South. And Diego Pavi has had an
incredible run and incredible season, and himself, I mean, coming
from New Mexico, and you know, he's you know, he's
combined for more than four thousand yards passing and running.

(01:53:27):
And you know, Vanderbilt, you know, kind of in the
shadow of maybe Indiana. I mean, it's had an amazing year,
ten wins for the first time in school history, six
wins in the SEC. It's never done that before. And
and he's just he's kind of a different, different guy,
let's put it that way. And I think he calvinized
a lot of people in the South. But I'll say this,
I mean I've seen and covered Indiana three times this year,

(01:53:49):
and one was the blowout against Illinois, which he for
Nana Mendoza could not have could not have missed. I
mean he was he was throwing bebes out there.

Speaker 5 (01:54:00):
Tell me, brother, I'm in Illinois alone. Fifty three point loss.
It ain't hurt me.

Speaker 4 (01:54:05):
It was.

Speaker 7 (01:54:05):
It was so surprising because, uh, I mean, basically, my
whole next week was going to be the pay It
was going to be embedded with the winner. It was
going to be either stay in Bloomington area or I
was going to go to Champagne. And and so to
see Illinois get blasted like that was really surprising. And
then the next week I covered Indiana play in Iowa
and they faced a lot of adversity that day. I mean,

(01:54:26):
Iowa is a really good team for being eight and four,
and punched them in the face. And uh, Mendozo was struggling.
I mean, he had a lot of blitzing that went
right in his face. And yet he hit a forty
nine yard touchdown pass to win the game inside the
final two minutes. And then, of course the other day
against you know, the bully of the Big Ten, you know,
the flagship program, and to not only lead him on

(01:54:47):
the game winning drive in the third quarter ultimately, but
then then that big pass to Charlie Becker that that's
kind of feeled the game late. I mean, it's just
it was just a ma arkable run for Fernando Mendoza.
I mean, you know, I think Curtis Orrick was a
really good quarterback for IU last year, did a lot
of really good things. Plus he was injured, so I

(01:55:10):
don't want to take anything away from him. But what
Fernando Mendoz does. He tips the field, He's got a
huge arm, he can hit every pass, and he's just
he's a different personality. I mean, you know, he and
some of his teammates will can kind of call him
a nerd, and it's kind of true. But he's really
earnest and I think he's absolutely the leader that Indiana

(01:55:30):
needs and could take him to it all the way
to the final.

Speaker 4 (01:55:32):
Monday Night.

Speaker 2 (01:55:33):
Scott Talkerman the Athletic joining us here on the Fan
Morning Show. I want to go back to something you
kind of mentioned very early here kind of the look
and feel of this team. Like you, I've covered college
football for a long long time, and when I watch
Indiana play, they are physical, they are fast. They look
to me on the eye test like a top five

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college football team. And you see Ohio State doing. You
talked about the third and ones, but Ohio it's reverting
to gadget plays to try to get something going. At
one point in time, How surprised have you been to
see Indiana literally just line up nose to nose with
everybody and go, Okay, we're going to be bigger and
tougher than you are.

Speaker 7 (01:56:13):
It's a shock And it's really a helpful product of
the NIL system that you're able to acquire those players
and put along the line of scrimmage and be able
to go toe to toe with Ohio State, Oregon, Iowa,
Michigan last year and teams like that and be able
to have that kind of success, and it speaks to
the fundamentals that they're in.

Speaker 2 (01:56:33):
But on the other day, you know, I mean.

Speaker 7 (01:56:36):
Nine tackles for loss against Ohio State held in the
fifty eight yards rushing that line, the front wall was
very physical at the point of attack. They were able
to stonewall Ohio State's running game, which was really good,
and of course that they're great on every level of defense.
And then you know, conversely on the line of scrimmage
on the offensive side, I mean, you know, Carter Smith's

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maybe the best offensive linemen in the country. They were
one of the three finalists for the Joe More Award,
is the best offensive line in the country. And that's
something that couldn't have been done without nil and the
transfer portal. I mean, if like Kevin Wilson became coach
you ten ish years ago, I mean, he was able
to transform the offense really quickly and it was really exciting.

(01:57:20):
But you just they couldn't line up along the line
of scrimmage because you have to have a developmental type
program that can build those players unless you can acquire
them through the transfer portal. And then what's they were
there and in place Kurk Signetti and Brian Haynes, obviously
on the defensive side. You know, they're able to put
it all together and be so fundamentally sound and physical.

(01:57:44):
I mean, that's just rare and it just shows you
how incredible of a coaching job they've done, because you
can't do that without being so technically proficient that in
the way the Indiana.

Speaker 2 (01:57:55):
Is Thanks for us stopping by today. We really appreciate
your viewpoint and keep up the good work over at
the Athletic and we'll talk to you again. Soon.

Speaker 7 (01:58:03):
All right, thanks for having me appreciate you, Scott.

Speaker 2 (01:58:05):
Doctorman, the athletic a little bit more on Indiana, and
I think that's the one theme that we keep hearing
from the people who cover college football today on a
day in, day out, Basis James, just the fact that
they just look and feel like a real deal college
football team that could go up against any SEC team.

Speaker 5 (01:58:23):
The trenches is what really stood out to me. They
crushed Illinois and the trenches and they've really done that
to a number of teams this year, and now they
can hang with the big boys, and that's usually a difference.
You can find the skill guys, I think at the
lower levels and the jmu's other places like that, but
to find the trench guys is a big, big difference.
And so here we are. Are you with the chance

(01:58:44):
to win a national championship?

Speaker 2 (01:58:45):
Right, We'll give some of you the last word and
then we'll get you ready to go for Wednesday. I
know you guys can't wait to get over to S
fifty six and see what's happening over there. But we
got some work to do yet, So stick around ninety
three five one or seven to five to the fan number.
Do you think he's gonna wear? Seventeen's already taken by
Daniel Jones, now, James, any idea and what that might be?

Speaker 5 (01:59:03):
No chance would he go with the number of kids
he has or something like that, seventy seven. But I
was reading something and George Bremmer, shout out to my
former Colts colleague, was mentioning how he believes if a
player goes on IR, their number reopens. So could Philip
still wear the seventeen that he's made pretty famous throughout

(01:59:23):
the years.

Speaker 2 (01:59:25):
Interesting, I'll ask him about it. All right, What are
you most looking forward to going over there today, Kevin?
Just hearing people talk about everything, or I.

Speaker 3 (01:59:34):
Mean, honestly hearing from Philip Rivers. I mean I spoke
to Philip Rivers on Zoom probably fifty seventy times in
the twenty twenty season. I've never seen him in person
in my life outside of Colts practice from you know,
one hundred yards away and wearing a mask. So yeah,
that aspect to it is a little bit from a
unique standpoint.

Speaker 5 (01:59:53):
I've always Kevin wants to sniff them.

Speaker 3 (01:59:56):
I've always enjoyed hearing him chat, and I think you
it's great insight and obviously has a totally unique perspective
on the game of football, and there's football obsessed. So yeah,
and you know, health of Riley Leonard and health of
Mooney Ward and you know, again, I'll go back to
what I said a little bit earlier right now, the
culture outside of the playoffs. But if you just lived

(02:00:18):
in the vacuum of only looking at the standings, they
really need just to win two a four, maybe three
or four. But if you win the right to a
four aka the last two games of the season Jaguars
and Texans, I think that should be enough to get in.
And when you say that, it doesn't sound that ludicrous.
But then when you factor in the opponents and you

(02:00:39):
factor in your current state of the quarterback room, obviously
it's much more daunting there. So yeah, we'll see how
it all plays out.

Speaker 2 (02:00:47):
Yeah. Wow, JMV making an appearance real quick here this morning.
I dig that right there by the way. Scotty did
some research today and he said Tommy Maddox had a
six year gap between playing for the nineteen ninety five
Giants enjoying my Steelers in two thousand. Little Yetty action
is Christmas, Sir, with my name. Our names are on

(02:01:07):
it too. How about that?

Speaker 8 (02:01:08):
Actually, no, Spencer Thompson of Thompson Furniture down in Columbus
when I was on Thursday. Yeah, Sponsors Butler Action made
all of these for everybody here. We got a couple
four Aquarium company and got one for James.

Speaker 2 (02:01:25):
They got hit the right teams right there. So, oh
my gosh, you did, John. This is better than my family.

Speaker 3 (02:01:33):
You're gonna go iris, Spencer.

Speaker 2 (02:01:38):
You can crash the show anytime you want.

Speaker 3 (02:01:40):
I'm gonna be honest. We've done this show for several
years now. I don't know I've ever seen jamb in
here at nine fifty two in the morning.

Speaker 2 (02:01:45):
This is at stay.

Speaker 3 (02:01:46):
I got nervous when I saw.

Speaker 2 (02:01:47):
Their names on them. How about that? Gosh, this is great.
This is better than making the playoff. Thank you, man,
oh man oh man uh I was saying, Tommy, Tommy
Maddox is the Scott Johnston. Tommy Maddocks had a six
year gap between playing for the ninety five Giants and
joining the Steelers in two thousand and one. He did
play preseason games in ninety six and ninety seven and

(02:02:10):
Arena League season in two thousand and an XFL season
in two thousand and one, so while it wasn't in
the NFL, he was playing all the time. And Tony
Manderich remember him, suffered a concussion in the ninety two
preseason missed the entire regular season, so his Green Bay
career officially ended in ninety one. He played for the
Colts in the nineteen ninety six and ninety seven seasons

(02:02:30):
before retiring due to his shoulder injury. So Scotty doing
good work there?

Speaker 3 (02:02:35):
Am I see a negative two degrees on Saturday?

Speaker 2 (02:02:38):
Yeah? It's it's insane.

Speaker 5 (02:02:40):
I won't be here.

Speaker 2 (02:02:41):
I mean, what the whoaez?

Speaker 5 (02:02:45):
I hitn't the dump button on that one?

Speaker 2 (02:02:49):
Right to the end. I didn't say that was close enough.

Speaker 5 (02:02:52):
He's gonna get in trouble.

Speaker 2 (02:02:53):
Kevin's not gonna get trouble. Oh, here we go. I'll
get in trouble. The dump button has been hit. I
think I was the first time I've had to dump Kevin.

Speaker 3 (02:02:59):
Un Like some others we discussed today, I definitely pulled
out there.

Speaker 2 (02:03:03):
I don't know you are on one today. I like it.

Speaker 3 (02:03:06):
Bring it back. Gosh, you're not kidding. The weather in
Seattle's much better. Fifty degrees in cloud and rain. Take
that over what you got this weekend?

Speaker 5 (02:03:13):
Oh brother? Like I said, I'll be sending you postcards.

Speaker 2 (02:03:17):
I don't know if it's postcard weather, but no, I'm
gonna take this this personalized yettie. Stay indoors all weekend
Long Watch TV. Kevin needs to fill his with bars
of soap and wash his mouth out with that language.
All right, we gotta go.

Speaker 4 (02:03:30):
We'll see you guys,

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