Wednesday 12/3: Colts dump Badgley and sign a new kicker, Pacers-Nuggets & Big Ten Championship!

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Good morning, everyone, and welcome into the Fan Morning Show.
Along with the one and only James Boyd, it's the
intrepid Kevin Bowen and Mark Dykeden in this morning as well.
Jeff Record with you as always, and we got a
lot to get to today. The college basketball season is
in full force right now, maybe not full force in
a conference play, but we're starting to get some pretty
interesting non conference matchups. We talk about Purdue and Rutgers

(00:21):
was a conference game last night. But did you guys
watch any of the duke game last night?

Speaker 2 (00:26):
That was really good?

Speaker 1 (00:26):
Duke in Florida.

Speaker 2 (00:27):
Yeah, watch a little bit of that. Definitely watched a
good amount of what Braylan Mullens and Florida badunga action
boy Braylan Mullens to be in a second college game
and to step into Allen field House no fear whatsoever.
Seventeen points off the bench for him, some critical free
throws he hit to help ice the game. So yeah,

(00:48):
I don't think we're too too surprised, but still shout
out to him. That was impressive to watch last night.
Badonga did have a double double, but it was Yukon
winning an Allen Fieldhouse last night. So great night of
hoops and yes, pretty getting it done, butler getting it done?
And can I get a little shout out to my Irish.

Speaker 1 (01:06):
You can always give a shout out to here Irish.

Speaker 3 (01:08):
There late night.

Speaker 2 (01:09):
Stayed up for that one. The audible scream was pretty
pathetic out about eleven fifteen. I'm not gonna lie, but
boy it felt good. Thank you Cole sir.

Speaker 1 (01:16):
So it woke me up again.

Speaker 2 (01:18):
Might have woken you up.

Speaker 1 (01:20):
That is an interesting hat you're rocking today to the
indie Notre Dame the with the ND being part of
the indie there where does it? Where does that come from?
Where do you find that I n d y?

Speaker 2 (01:29):
Right?

Speaker 1 (01:29):
Yeah, where's where's that come from?

Speaker 2 (01:31):
Trying to support Matt Taylor? Does he still do the
I N d y? Mark Dyke?

Speaker 1 (01:36):
That's a classic, but it's very much Notre Dame themed though?

Speaker 2 (01:39):
Is Notre Dame not getting in depend?

Speaker 1 (01:42):
You better hope that BYU doesn't win the football game.

Speaker 2 (01:46):
I got some thoughts on that in a bit.

Speaker 4 (01:49):
I'm still I'm more confused today than I was. Yesterdames Boyd,
I would agree, Lord have mercy. All of the arguments
from whatever side has me just kind of spending a
little bit so waiting for you to get into that,
and I'm sure we'll dive more into it. But I
guess if you're I you you don't have to worry
about that because there once again what number two.

Speaker 1 (02:08):
So we went in doubt in that ten, that nine, ten, eleven,
twelve range. If you're in the SEC you're probably in
good shape.

Speaker 2 (02:14):
Mmm. I just I just feel like conspiracy theory. That
was the ricker, that wasn't Kevin.

Speaker 1 (02:20):
But I don't even think they tried to hide it
that much anymore, do they. I've got some thoughts, Yeah,
I bet you do. I can't wait to hear those
things a little bit later on. But yeah, Butler got
to win last night over at the Fieldhouse. That was fun.
Purdue took care of their business as you wanted them
to do. Kevin, just go take care of business at
Rutgers and not screw that up, right.

Speaker 2 (02:36):
Yeah, Rutgers is horrible. So yeah, good on Purdue. Jakari
Harris big off the bench. Uh so yeah, Noace Bailey
to give you some Dylan Harper. No, I'm trying to
think of the white dude at the head band. They
had a few years ago. Yeah, they it is not
a very good Rutgers team. And yeah, we'll see about
Indiana tonight. You know, it's kind of rare you get
Purdue to start the Big Ten Conference on the road

(02:57):
last night, Indiana start their Big Ten Conference on the
road tonight at Minnesota, and they're both double digit favorites.
You know, how many times do we talk about the
vaunted road in the Big Ten? And yet Perdue was
what sixteen point last night Indiana as I think ten
and a half tonight. So if you are going to
start your Big Ten slate with a road game, these

(03:18):
are ideal opponents for Perdue and Indiana, I think to
get things started here, so I believe it's an earlier
start time, at least locally from Minnesota. They haven't been
very good this year. Six o'clock Central at the Barn.

Speaker 1 (03:31):
And James Boyd. I also noticed when I was flipping
through things late yesterday that the Indianapolis Cults have indeed
made a change at the kicker position.

Speaker 4 (03:41):
Yeah, help me with his name, Groupie, Kevin? Is it
groopy correct? So Blake Groupie. He is taking over for
Michael Bagley who was waived, which was not a surprise
at all. I think all of us, especially Kevin, knew
that was going to happen, because you can't miss three
point after its Simpson seven games and keep your job.

Speaker 3 (04:00):
But the reaction I got.

Speaker 4 (04:01):
From most fans Kevin was oh my gosh, this guy
stinks too, And part of me was like, well, there
are no good kickers left at this point in the year,
so whatever you have your sign is gonna be flawed.
But at least when it comes to Blake Groupie, he's
only missed two point after attempts in his career. I

(04:22):
think he's eighty six to eighty eight and hasn't missed
any of the season. Now he is eighteen of I
believe twenty six or twenty four. It might be higher
than that, might be a twenty six on field goals
this year. So not a good percentage from that perspective.
But you gotta pick and choose your flaws. I guess, Yeah,
you didn't have this problem James back in the day.

(04:43):
But the picking the Colts kicker in December is like
Kevin Bowen trying to pick someone to dance with him
at homecoming. Yeah, James Boyd, can you know pick those
in the offseason when the pool it's much much deeper
for Kevin bow And it's it's a struggle.

Speaker 2 (04:57):
Is he the smallest dude in the NFL? I always
felt that way when he was at Name Mark. Give
us the height and wait for Blake groupie, because I
actually you have it pulled up here. Look at James Wood.

Speaker 3 (05:08):
He's five to seven a buck fifty six.

Speaker 2 (05:12):
A buck fifty six, James Woyd, Not to get too personal,
what are you waning in these days?

Speaker 4 (05:16):
I'm five to ten buck fifty so yeah, that is
kind of crazy that we're basically the same time.

Speaker 2 (05:22):
Michael Badsley wasn't big by any means. Yeah, he's bigger
than this guy. So yes, James, I think you pointed
it out very accurately when you're shopping for kickers in
the month of December. The warts are evidence.

Speaker 4 (05:34):
I got people telling me all the Colts still want
to lose, and it's like, no, they don't.

Speaker 3 (05:37):
They just have to pick. What's the do it's there?

Speaker 2 (05:40):
So again, why do you do it? You mentioned eighty
six of eighty eight on extra points in his career.
In his career, didn't miss one this year with New Orleans.
He has kicked in the league the last three years
for the Saints, So you do have a guy that,
you know, I'm not gonna act like he's been in
playoff atmospheres, but you have a guy that obviously has kicked.
And Brian Mason, the Colt special teams coordinator, was his

(06:00):
coordinator at Notre Dame for a year. So again you're
always looking for some of these connections. Background Spencer Schrader
had it with Brian Mason at Notre Dame as well.
Seemingly Notre Dame kickers are everywhere, So yeah, that's what
you've got here. Now, why did he just get cut?
Because he got cut last week, James, as you said,
not only did he miss I think you said eight

(06:22):
field goals this year, Yeah, eighteen to twenty six. I'd
circle the five misses inside of fifty. So it Kenny's
perfect on extra points, but we're talking three misses in
the forty yard range, two misses in the thirty yard range. Again,
that is less than ideal, but you know what, the
bar is low. Just make extra points.

Speaker 1 (06:42):
You're not going to be kicking for the Colts.

Speaker 2 (06:44):
I think that's what you gotta do. Make extra points.

Speaker 1 (06:47):
Justin Tucker's not going to be kicking for the Colts. Allegedly,
he was part of the tryout.

Speaker 3 (06:52):
Well, yeah, it was official.

Speaker 4 (06:54):
They definitely reported number forty yet, but they put out
the transactions afterwards. So it was Madistrhio, Justin Tucker, and
Blake Groupie the three man kicker tryout matts for Heo
was the undrafted free agent that the Colts actually signed
during the offseason. He was competing with at the time
Spencer Strader for the kicking jobs. Well, he's a familiar face.

(07:17):
And then, as Jeff pointed out, Justin Tucker, who was
accused of sexual misconduct by sixteen massage parlor. Not massage,
I'm sorry, sixteen massage people. So yeah, not to ideal.

Speaker 2 (07:30):
Yeah, And to go a little bit further on, Justin
Tucker suspended for the first ten games this season. And
then I think he's worked out. He definitely had a
try out in New Orleans. Ironically enough, when they cut
Blake Groupy, he did not win that tryout. I don't
know if he's worked out any other place. I think two,
this is it. Obviously, you have what James just pointed out.

(07:51):
Now I'm not totally stunned the Colts would kick the
tires on this. I know a lot of people brought
up a you got three woman owners, et cetera, et cetera.
I think if Deshaun Watson wouldn't have played for the
Houston Texans and been in another division, I think the
Colts would have had interest in him a couple of
years back, if you want to compare the two stories.

(08:11):
And I know it's not exactly apples to apples, but
that is the comp that I know a lot of
people have thrown out there. So I'm not totally stunned
by this. You know, oh you know it's only choir
boys that.

Speaker 3 (08:20):
Play out there too.

Speaker 4 (08:23):
The only reason, not the only reason, but the main
reason I believe that Justin Tucker is unemployed is because
he was garbage the last time he played football. So
I don't want to sit here in act like the
Colts or any other team has this moral high ground
to stand on, like they would never ever ever sign
someone who's an unsavory character, has a past that isn't

(08:45):
all that great. Not to go too far down memory
lane here, but Xavin Howard when they signed him, he's
definitely had some baggage and they started him immediately. So
my thinking is, looking at Justin Tucker's career last year
before he got cut, suspended and what have you, he
only made seventy percent of his kicks career low.

Speaker 3 (09:07):
That's why he's jobless.

Speaker 2 (09:08):
Yeah, he was. The Colts obviously moved on from Matt Gay, right,
everyone's done with Mat Gay. Justin Tucker was ten percent
worse than Matt Gay last year exactly. He's a thirty
second ranked kicker in the NFL. So uh that if
he was still Hall of Fame level Justin Tucker, he
would be kicking.

Speaker 1 (09:26):
He would have a job, He'd have a job somewhere.

Speaker 2 (09:28):
So the first time in franchise history the Colts will
have three place kickers in a season. Kind of wild.
They've had such stability at that position. And you know,
obviously the injury to trader performance for Badgeley And here
you are, Blake Group. You could hide him, You could
run a great fake, right, you can just hide him
behind the line of scrimmage some way, somehow, And all
of a sudden, next thing, you know, he's popping out
for a little fake.

Speaker 5 (09:50):
And the opposing teams are licking their lips to lay
a hit. On him because he's a buck fifty. Got
to find him first.

Speaker 2 (09:55):
If they can't hit him. It's like Darren Sproles, just
get down, get.

Speaker 3 (09:59):
Low, spars with a gre a player.

Speaker 1 (10:00):
He was, he had some speed, the little little something
to him.

Speaker 2 (10:04):
To that man killed the Colts Joker in the building tonight. God,
I love watching him.

Speaker 6 (10:13):
He is.

Speaker 4 (10:15):
On the shortlist of greatest way I've ever seen in
person myself up there with the There are certain players
I look at and I'm like, wait, is that the
best way I've ever seen? And he's one of them, him, Lebron,
Steph Curry, Kevin Durant. It's probably the shortlist of degeneration
that I've looked at in person and said Johann is
probably as well. On any given night, if you tell
me that's the best player of this era, I probably

(10:36):
be like, yeah, you know what, Yes, you're right.

Speaker 2 (10:38):
And he's torched the Pacers. There is no every other team,
but yes, there's no team he averages more points against
in his NBA career than.

Speaker 3 (10:46):
I mean to tell me Jay Huff isn't.

Speaker 2 (10:48):
The Indiana Pacers. Well, I don't know. Stner wasn't in
recent years. Maybe this is Jay Huff's time. All right,
you're up, Strap up, Jay Huff. Here we go.

Speaker 4 (10:56):
What if I ever had like just one good game
against the Joker, if I was HUF for anybody else,
I'd wear that for the rest of the time.

Speaker 2 (11:03):
And at the highlight reel for only then.

Speaker 4 (11:04):
Oh yeah, on one given day, I was just I
was on par with the greatest.

Speaker 1 (11:09):
All right, Well, a lot to talk about today. It's
fan morning show coming to you as we already hit
the mid week mark of the week. Here, we can't
wait Wednesday mark. It's home day, the mid read of
the week. I got myself caught in the corner Wednesday, Baby,
got myself caught in the corner there, and I couldn't
figure out how to go.

Speaker 3 (11:26):
That's all right, it's Wednesday.

Speaker 1 (11:27):
Yeah, thank you, Joy. All right, we'll do it all
next with uh. We'll start with the checkdown and everything else.
We got a big show today, Stephen Hole. We're gonna
stop by and talk more about those tryouts yesterday and
also checking in with the Indiana Sports Court. We got
a big weekend coming up here in downtown Indy. We'll
tell you all about it next ninety three five and
one oh seven five the fan.

Speaker 7 (11:45):
The morning checkdown on ninety sweet five and one oh
seven five the fans.

Speaker 1 (11:51):
Help your Wednesday's up to a fly and start, and
you're keeping it a little bit warm today. The conditions
outside should be a little bit better for driving. We'll
get to that if there are any problems to In
the meantime, we're gonna focus on the Indianapolis Colts. Even
though they had the day off yesterday, most of the players,
they did work out some kickers and James. They now
have a brand new kicker when they play at Jacksonville
on Sunday.

Speaker 4 (12:11):
Yes, Blake Groupie is the new kicker. As Kevin's alluded
to a few minutes ago. He's a small guy for
the NFL five seven, a buck fifty six, but he
doesn't miss pats, which is the main reason that Michael
Badgey no longer has a job here.

Speaker 1 (12:28):
Be interesting to see what the Colts do, Kevin, if
they've got like a fourth and three at Jacksonville's, say,
thirty eight yard line coming up on Sunday afternoon.

Speaker 2 (12:36):
Yeah, for what it's worth, group he does have a
little bit more of a distance to his resume than
Michael Badgeley. I don't want to act like this is
some elite kicker by any means north of fifty yards.
But I think he's got a little bit more in
that department. But again, let's not be crazy lofty here
with expectations. Just make extra points. He's had struggles inside

(12:57):
of fifty this year, welcome to life, looking for a
kick in the month of December, and he is in
the practice squad, So I assume, James, that will just
be a promotion here for the next couple of weeks. Yeah,
then they can finalize that you get three of those.
They do have an open roster spot currently on the
fifty three man roster. My assumption is that goes to
Jaalen Carlis at the end of the week. He is
yet to be called up from injured reserve. He's practiced

(13:20):
for two weeks, still has one more week left to practice,
so they have to make a decision by the end
of the week. That would be my assumption.

Speaker 4 (13:27):
And just to piggyback off of that, if they don't
call him off of R by the end of this
upcoming week, he will have to remain on IR for
the rest of the season and he will not play again, all.

Speaker 1 (13:35):
Right, So that'll be coming up on Sunday afternoon one
o'clock in Jacksonville. Kevin, if I'd have told you on
August fifteenth it's week thirteen Colts Jaguars for first place
in the AFC South, would you have taken it at
that time?

Speaker 2 (13:48):
I probably would have signed up for it, certainly.

Speaker 1 (13:50):
Well, that's the situation now. People are getting a little
bit nervous about the whole thing after that seven and
one start, right.

Speaker 2 (13:56):
Yes, I would say nerves are high, and it's, yeah,
without question, one of the biggest games the Stike in
Ballard era has seen.

Speaker 1 (14:04):
All Right, we'll look forward to that game coming up
this weekend. Our coverage we'll start at ten am with
JMB right ninety three to five and one on seventy
five the fans. We've got NBA basketball at the field
House tonight, the Pacers hosting the Denver Nuggets, and maybe
the best player of his generation, James Boyd.

Speaker 3 (14:24):
Yeah, I mean again, peak for peak.

Speaker 4 (14:26):
I'll probably go resume and say, hey, it's probably Lebron
James or Stephen Curry for this era, but Peak four peak,
he's right up there with those guys. And the Pacers
certainly have their hands full against that.

Speaker 1 (14:37):
Guy, Nikola Jokicic and the Nuggets will be in town
tonight six thirty airtime here on ninety three five and
one O seven to five. The fan tip comes just
after seven o'clock with the one and only Mark Boyle
College Basketball last night here in town at Hinkle Fieldhouse.
Butler a winner over Eastern Michigan eighty four to sixty eight,
and out east in New Jersey. It's the number one
ranked team of the nation Perdue with an eighty one

(14:59):
sixty five went over Rutgers, so you can rust easy
on that one.

Speaker 2 (15:02):
Kevin Bowen, Yeah, no fear for Purdue fans in terms
of the December road Big ten curse. Here. They really
were in full full control for the final thirty minutes
of that game. I thought Jacari Harris in particular was
very good in the first half off the bench. They
now have a big one in macki on Saturday. It's
Iowa State. Wonder if one Tyrese Haliburton might make an
appearance inside of Mackie coming up on Saturday. That will

(15:24):
feed into au Louisville, so Purdue will actually get things
started on CBS there and James I know you've asked
that Mada about him, but man Finley Bizjack has just
had such a good year for Butler and there's so
many new faces for Butler and Bizjack was one that
he's flirted with the transfer portal and for the Texas
kid to stay there. He's played at an all Big

(15:44):
East first team level. That was chippy last night. I
was watching that. That was a bit of a I
think Finley said after the game, a bit of a
bar fight there. But Butler was able to continue their
nice start to this season. They'll have Boise State in
their building on Saturday, Boise team that typically hovers right
around that NCAA tournament bubble, so important for Butler to
get another nice one for the resume.

Speaker 1 (16:04):
A lot of good college basketball on the way. Notre
Dame in beating Missouri last night, seventy six, seventy one,
and you wore the sweatshirt this morning, James, Indiana State
with a win at home ninety nine to fifty seven
over Eureka. Did you watch any of that one last night?

Speaker 4 (16:17):
No, no chance, I don't even know what channel that
comes on. So Sycamore as rold Trees.

Speaker 1 (16:21):
There you go a little bit of a college football
game coming up on Saturday over at Lucas Oil Stadium
in the evening eight o'clock. It'll be the Big Ten
Conference championship between number one ranked Ohio State number two Indiana.
And it's crazy you open up the daily newsletter from
the Athletic this morning and the entire newsletters about the
Indiana Hoosiers and how not only are they truly an

(16:43):
elite football team, but over the last two years, Kevin
who's more consistent with less change and just keeping it
steady in college football than maybe you could talk about
Ohio State. But Indiana's right there, low turnover for players,
a little bit better than they were last year, right
where they're supposed to be, everybody acknowledging them as legitimate

(17:04):
and here to stay for a while.

Speaker 2 (17:05):
Speaking of steady, their ranking number two last night in
the college football playoff, if that bracket were to be
the one we see on Sunday, the final bracket, it
would be the winner of Texas A and M and
Notre Dame on a neutral field than the Seeds were
to hold Georgia in Ohio State.

Speaker 1 (17:22):
Off of that, in that latest ranking last night, Notre
Dame was jumped one spot by Alabama. Are you a
little bit nervous depending on how the conference championships work out,
that Notre Dame could be left without a dance partner. Yes, right,
We'll have to wait and see how it all plays out.

Speaker 2 (17:36):
It was only I think the committee stinks.

Speaker 1 (17:38):
Yes, I agree. Ohio State number one, Indiana two, Georgia three,
Texas Tech four. Notre Dame was jumped by Alabama, who's
number nine. Now Notre Dame is tenth. By the way,
Tulane the highest ranked non Power for conference team at
number twenty. I guess a lot of folks are looking
to see how BYU and Texas Tech shakeout the Big twelve.

(18:00):
If BYU wins that what happens now all kinds of
chaos going on in college football. I won't have to
wait and see how it does, indeed all shake out
anything else you guys want to throw in right now?

Speaker 2 (18:12):
Yeah, I mean, we mentioned the opener, but I thought
it was fun last night watching Kansas and Yukon and
seeing Florida badoing Ga and Braylen Mullens and the floor
Mullins outstanding off the bench for Yukon.

Speaker 4 (18:20):
That's the kid I remember watching in Greenfield Central. He
was special last night. And honestly, Kevin, that's what you
saw him play like when he was in high school.

Speaker 3 (18:28):
He can just shoot. When you can.

Speaker 4 (18:30):
Shoot like that, that's professional basketball shooting, right.

Speaker 2 (18:33):
And there's no fear Like I would add that as well,
like you know, it's one thing to be an elite shooter.
And again nothing against whatever Indian high school basketball any means,
but like to walk into Allen Field House in your
second college game. For those that have been following, Brailen
Mowans been out for a while, I think an ankle injury,
and for him to walk in there provide seventeen point
the big free throws late, I mean it.

Speaker 3 (18:52):
Was getting any Yeah, for sure.

Speaker 2 (18:54):
You know that's what I shot what five venues in
all of college basketball. So I enjoyed watching that. Really
great night for college hoops. So that was fun to
watch out. We should mention Indiana. They've got Minnesota tonight
in the Barn. Indiana's actually been pretty good up there.
Three in a row they've won at the bar and
ten and a half point favorite. So w IBC we'll
have your coverage at six o'clock.

Speaker 4 (19:13):
One more on Brailin. I will say he has in
the gym range. The kid can just wake up and
shoot special player and it's cool to see him get
that moment after missing most of the season early on
due to an angle injury.

Speaker 1 (19:26):
All right, that's the tappening in the world of sports.
Coming up at a moment, we'll talk a little bit.
I'm curious, Kevin, you've got thoughts you want to get
into the college football playoff coming up in a moment
here you ready to go?

Speaker 2 (19:37):
I think the committee is just a bunch of idiots.

Speaker 1 (19:39):
Ninety three to five in one oh seven five, Good morning,
walcome into the Fan Morning Show along with Kevin Bowen,
James Boyd, Mark Dyke, and I'm jeff Rickard. And we've
been talking a little bit this morning about the brand
new college football Playoff rankings and this is the next
to last ranking before the college conference championships are going
to be played throughout the next six to seven days. So,

(20:00):
and Kevin Bowen, I know you are not a fan
right now. Notre Dame is in. They were passed up
a little bit by Alabama, but they are in at
this point in time. But you're not a big fan
of not only how this thing gets decided, but the
folks who make up the committee.

Speaker 2 (20:15):
I yet, let me start here, because when you call
yourself a Notre Dame fan, people hate you. So people
hate me enough for that. So let me clarify. When
you lose two games, you're not bowltproof. You guys saw
my dejection the Monday after the TEXTA, A and M
loss earlier this year.

Speaker 1 (20:32):
It took you six weeks to get out of that, right.

Speaker 2 (20:34):
I knew full well that even if you did rattle
off ten in a row by an average of thirty points,
which Notre Dame is done. Here, we are debating them
as the final team, man, and they deserve it. You
scheduled Miami and Texas A and M. You need to
beat one of those two if you want to sit
here on December third and kick your feet up when
it comes to these playoff rankings. Having said that, the
fact that the committee last night explained to us that

(20:58):
Alabama jumped Notre Dame because they beat a one sec
win Auburn team by seven points on Saturday, as Notre
Dame beat a very similar opponent by thirty on the road,
made zero sense to me whatsoever. The one win that

(21:20):
Auburn has in the SEC is over Arkansas. You know
what Notre Dame did Arkansas this year. They won on
the road and beat them by forty. So explain that
to me. How in the world is the committee putting
Alabama over Notre Dame based off what the committee chair
said last night, their gritty, gutty win over entering the
house crazy Auburn.

Speaker 3 (21:39):
That was crazy.

Speaker 4 (21:42):
Again, I'm not a costootball guy, but that was just
an insane explanation to me, because they're not good and
we're what we're putting all that on the iron ball
like all tradition and how things used to be.

Speaker 2 (21:52):
But if anybody watched that game, Auburn gifted that they
had probably seven or eight drops in that game. And
I don't play the conspiracy card often. I don't like
it at all. But will you guys tell me where
the committee chair resides?

Speaker 1 (22:07):
I did.

Speaker 3 (22:07):
We talked about this.

Speaker 2 (22:08):
I brought this up, mark you and form our audience
the committee chair.

Speaker 3 (22:14):
Yes, I brought this.

Speaker 2 (22:15):
We had the Baylor ad have to exit stage right,
and so the new committee chair it's a member of
the Southeastern Conference.

Speaker 1 (22:24):
That's why I said a little while ago Southeastern Conference.
Here's here's what's going to be really interesting. Three loss
Alabama gonna get in. There's a possibility three loss Alabama.

Speaker 2 (22:36):
Now this is where the debate gets really really dicey.
So if you look at the end of the rankings
right now, you have Alabama at nine, Notre Dame at ten,
BYU at eleven, Miami at twelve. Notre Dame is the
last team in right there at ten. What does championship
weekend mean? Can you only move up? Can you move back?

(22:59):
Because the two teams on the other side of Notre
Dame they both play on Saturday. Alabama plays Georgia in
the SEC title game and BYU plays Texas Tech. If
you're a Notre Dame fan, you have to share for
Texas Tech. Right, Well, then does that push BYU behind Miami?
Now do we have Miami next to Notre Dame? So
does head to head get brought back in after those

(23:19):
two teams played in Miami not on neutral field, of course,
but in Miami the first week of the season. And
then does Alabama drop if they lose to Georgia or
do we have the thought of teams that play on
championship weekend can't drop, they can only move up. So
it's yeah, if you're a Notre Dame fan right now,
just call we Girl Harendy because you're gonna need them.

Speaker 3 (23:43):
So do you think they get in right now today?
If you have to?

Speaker 8 (23:46):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (23:46):
I O would say bet any money, but gut feeling
do they don't know?

Speaker 2 (23:50):
In all seriousness, I think even if let's say the
favorites hold this weekend.

Speaker 3 (23:54):
That's that's best I was getting it.

Speaker 2 (23:56):
Yeah, I would uh. I think Miami gets next to them,
and then the committee finally does head to head from
earlier in the season. I mean that, I'll say. And
I know people are quick to say, well, it's Notredame's
a brand they're gonna get in. I mean last year,
remember who was the first team out Alabama. I mean,
when you talk about brands, you wouldn't want Alabama in
the playoffs. So I know there's the the you know,

(24:17):
the Notre Dame brand is going to make it because
of the whole conspiracy theory. But I think.

Speaker 3 (24:22):
That's kind of crazy.

Speaker 8 (24:23):
Again.

Speaker 2 (24:24):
I'll go back to what I said at the start.
When you have two losses, you aren't bowltproof. Notre Dame
has made their own bed. But when you look at
any sort of computer ranking right now, and guys, even
if we don't want to nerd out over the computer rankings,
just go eye test on this mark. Bring up the
national title odds right now and tell me where Notre

(24:45):
Dame is on those odds. Whether you want to look
at computer rankings or whether you want to play the
eye test game. They're a top ten team.

Speaker 3 (24:54):
That's where I'm at.

Speaker 2 (24:55):
Where there's no debate.

Speaker 3 (24:56):
They test.

Speaker 2 (24:57):
There's no debating in the computer rankings. But even if
you don't want to say, hey, I don't show me
any nerdy numbers, just watch the games.

Speaker 3 (25:03):
Yeah, I mean with you on that.

Speaker 2 (25:05):
Remember last week we had Matt Weaverron from Pigs, and
he listed just out of the blue. He's like, yeah,
teams I wouldn't want ee you to face. I mean
he listened to Notre Dame like second or third on
that list. Yeah, so.

Speaker 3 (25:16):
I actually think they're fourth, by the way, that's crazy.

Speaker 2 (25:19):
I was listening to that.

Speaker 3 (25:20):
That leads me to monyx Plo fourth. They're the last
team in right now, in the fourth the national time.

Speaker 4 (25:24):
I was gonna say they're one of the teams if
they were to get in and this didn't really happen
last year. But with the expanded playoff, you get those
ten eleven, twelve teams in there, and you're like, all right,
nice season, great for you to be joined, join the party,
you know whatever. Whatever, I do think that they would
be a dark horse candidate to win it. That's how

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well they played as of late.

Speaker 2 (25:48):
I oddly probably feel this team has more potential to
make a run than I did last year's team. And
last year's team got the home game right, so again
they have made their own bed. I want to I
want to be very clear on you guys.

Speaker 4 (26:00):
No, I'm not just with you, but others who are
sitting here at today, Like I get they made their
own bed, but then you have the committee who can just,
I don't know, flip the bed.

Speaker 2 (26:10):
I don't like. I just don't get the explanation.

Speaker 3 (26:13):
Yeah last night, Like you got to have a better
version than that.

Speaker 2 (26:15):
And tell that's for Alabama beating intermed I don't care.
Iron Bull this Iron Bowl that Notre Dame beat their
rival by double digits this year, Like no, I thought
that was just a pathetic. But on brand.

Speaker 1 (26:31):
I was a little bit surprised that Alabama moved up
in the rankings to your point after beating a not
a very good Auburn team. I know it's the Iron Bow,
but what's going to be really interesting here is you're
gonna have to get one. It looks like you'll probably
have one of the non power for conference teams get in.
Right now, Tulane's the highest ranked at number twenty. They

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seem to be the odds on favorite to get in.
But there are crazy things that can happen this conference
championship this weekend. If BYU, for example, takes out number
four Texas Tech, that could jumple up everything.

Speaker 2 (27:03):
Well, I think Tech Tech would still get in. It
would really it would probably just knock Notre Dame out.

Speaker 3 (27:08):
I mean that's it.

Speaker 2 (27:09):
I mean, I don't think that's maybe peak chaos.

Speaker 1 (27:12):
I'm talking about Notre Dame right now.

Speaker 2 (27:14):
Yeah, I mean, if you are a I've told Maddie
she can't watch Mormon Wives at all this week.

Speaker 1 (27:19):
She's banned.

Speaker 2 (27:20):
She's banned.

Speaker 1 (27:21):
How'd that go over?

Speaker 2 (27:23):
You should have seen the look. I couldn't grab the
pillow and head of the couch. I thought she's gonna
tell me to go sleep on the snow.

Speaker 1 (27:29):
Yeah, when those are when those episodes are over, do
you guys talk about him like, no, you discussed what
just happened and can you believe this and that? No, No,
she's on her own with that one.

Speaker 2 (27:38):
Not at all, James, you want to let our audience know.
On the new Colts kicker.

Speaker 4 (27:42):
Yeah, I'm actually looking at some of his numbers right now,
but yeah, Blake Groupie, former Saints kicker, made all of
his point after attimpts this year, so knock on wood
shouldn't be an issue for Sunday. However, he's eighteen of
twenty six on field goal attempts to this year.

Speaker 3 (28:00):
Not that great.

Speaker 4 (28:01):
Has had some issues inside of fifty Kevin, which you
pointed out, So your trading wards here, one guy, Michael Badge,
I just don't think you can keep your job after
missing three point after attemps, and especially with the effect
of the point after attempt from last week's game. The
other ones maybe you don't feel it as much. I mean, hell,
you missed two kicks over in Berliny you actually won

(28:23):
the game, so people kind of forget about that. That
one stung last week. So he's out. Blake GROUPI in
people yelling at me, James, this guy isn't any good either. Look,
kickers are not going to be that great at this
point in the season anybody left on the market, and honestly,
there's not a lot of great kickers for all thirty
two teams as it is, So you take what you got.

(28:43):
Will see what he brings to the table and if
he can stabilize that kicking unit.

Speaker 2 (28:48):
We're surprised to see Justin Tucker's name as a workout.

Speaker 4 (28:52):
Not at all, not even a little bit. I told
you where I stood in the first moments of this show.
I think that any profession, no sports team that actually
they have an ounce of character is a liar.

Speaker 3 (29:04):
They will all.

Speaker 4 (29:06):
Sign someone who has unsavory characteristics on unsavory past as
long as they can perform and play well. The number
one reason that Justin Tucker doesn't have a job, as
I said earlier, is because he was terrible when he
last played football.

Speaker 3 (29:20):
Simple as that.

Speaker 4 (29:21):
Mousa out a few years ago with Deshaun Watson. Deshaun
Watson got accused of many terrible things. He got the
most guaranteed money in NFL history because the Browns at
the time thought he was a great quarterback.

Speaker 3 (29:33):
It's that simple.

Speaker 2 (29:33):
Yeah, And I'll say what I said earlier. I think
the Colts would have had legit interest in pursuing Deshan
Watson had he not been in the division. Houston obviously
would have had some reservation.

Speaker 3 (29:43):
Freely at the point.

Speaker 4 (29:44):
Seriously, especially with the NFL, you almost have to be
sitting in a jail cell for me to be like,
they won't sign you if you have any talent.

Speaker 2 (29:51):
At all, and they might work out, like, let ask
what your release date is.

Speaker 3 (29:54):
I mean, I'm dead serious on that.

Speaker 4 (29:55):
So yeah, I'm not gonna sit it here and act like,
oh my gosh, like the Colts with their new female ownership,
they're not going to go down this route, nah man,
Like this is professional sports, is what they do. And
I'm also not gonna sit here and say that anybody
who's been accused of anything shouldn't get a second.

Speaker 3 (30:11):
That's not for me to say.

Speaker 4 (30:12):
I don't work in sports pro sports, but I do
know that again, everything is relative to how talented you are.

Speaker 2 (30:20):
Just a reminder, this will be the first time in
Colts franchise history, this is Indianapolis or Baltimore, they will
have had three different dudes. Assuming Blake Groupy will attempt
a field goal, We'll have three different guys kick field
goals for them in a season. We've seen two hot
Rod Michael Badgeley, we saw Chase McLoughlin with that advinitary
you know, back with Vinnie. He got a little banged

(30:42):
up there at times. Matt Stover, Martin Gramatica kicked for
them in a game. I am kind of reminded of
this when we've discussed colts and kickers over the last
couple of years. I'm always confused, and this goes back
probably three years ago now, why they didn't just keep
Chase McLoughlin, Like he's turned out to be a really
nice kicker for the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, and he was

(31:03):
this team's kicker when Venetari had some of the injury
issues in twenty nineteen. They kept hot Rod Rodrigo Blankenship
over McLaughlin. They drafted him, didn't they? Uh, No, Rogo
was undrafted.

Speaker 1 (31:17):
Definitely didn't draft, but I thought he was late revers.

Speaker 2 (31:20):
I always felt like Chase McLoughlin was a guy that
just should have been the kicker. And then obviously they
make the big splash for Matt Gay and that doesn't
work out here. So again Blake Group. He does have
a tie to Brian Mason special teams coordinator group. He
started his college career at Arkansas State, transferred to Notre Dame,
kicked for them in twenty twenty two, and Brian Mason
was a special teams coordinator there for the Irish. So

(31:43):
that's a little bit of the connection on that end.
I did appreciate Brian Mason's candor yesterday.

Speaker 4 (31:48):
James Basically, we know we got off that zoom call
that Michael Badger's getting waved.

Speaker 2 (31:53):
Yeah, called he's missed extra points inexcusable, and he was
very he.

Speaker 4 (31:57):
Said, we will explore every avenue possible to basically rectify
our kicking.

Speaker 2 (32:02):
Game, including justin Tucker. You know, I mean that's you know,
I think if you read a little bit more to
that quote, that's what it means. So a five to
seven and fifty six pound kicker coming up on Sunday
for the Colts.

Speaker 1 (32:15):
Just get it through the uprights, baby nodinks, no, missus,
just get it through. So all you're looking for right
there in Theanna Pacers back at home tonight, they'll be
at the Fieldhouse taken on the Denver Nuggets, and they
won two of their last three. I know they didn't
have a great first quarter, as Rick Carlisle talked about
yesterday the other night, But now they're playing one of
the more elite teams in the NBA. What what do

(32:37):
you expect to see at this point in time, giving
that roster, in the state that they're in, James, what's
acceptable to see from them against a team like Denver tonight?

Speaker 3 (32:45):
What do you think because.

Speaker 4 (32:46):
Dinver is like your that's your that's your area, neck
of the Woods. You know what they're going to bring.
So so what the what are your new hometown team
gonna do against them?

Speaker 3 (32:54):
Because I think that they're going to.

Speaker 1 (32:55):
Get I think the like most elite teams in the NBA,
they're pretty good at not losing games. They're spots to win,
and I think it's gonna be a tall order for
the Indiana Pacers tonight, especially given where they're at right now,
and especially given the fact that who are you gonna
put up if if Jokic does play, who are gonna
put up against it?

Speaker 2 (33:13):
Well, Yokic is probable, so I would assume he does
play now they are missing some notable guys. No Aaron Gordon,
no Christian Brown, and Jamal Murray's questionable. So you know
we've seen this, I mean the Pacers. Let me be
very clear, the Pacers have been hurt far more often
than their opponent this year. The Pacers have also walked
into a lot of games this season where the opponent

(33:33):
has some notable guys in street street close here.

Speaker 4 (33:36):
So yeah, and and the Nuggets aren't playing all that
great now last.

Speaker 1 (33:43):
Kevin's point, they they have been banged up quite a.

Speaker 2 (33:46):
Bit well, and they're banged up again tonight. So you know,
there are these opportunities the Pacers have had, you know
Cleveland even the other night, where you know, there is
an opportunity I think to you know, make this a
competitive game. In particularly, I mean Jokic has been the
fact that he's averaging a triple double and all of
it is eleven or higher, like none of it's even
in the ten category. Is just another notch in the

(34:10):
Joker belt. But again, like I said earlier, he has
averaged more points against the Pacers than any other team
in his NBA career. So the meeting's only happened twice.
A year, but he has feasted on the Blue and Gold.

Speaker 1 (34:25):
Well, well you'll be able to hear that one. If
you can't watch it or go to it, you'll be
able to listen to it. Here at ninety three, five
one or seventy five the fans six thirty, we'll have
the pregame for you, and then Mark Boyle will have
the play by play coming up just after seven o'clock.

Speaker 5 (34:37):
If you're looking for Jeff, he'll be in the Nane
jersey on the side.

Speaker 2 (34:41):
I forgot about.

Speaker 1 (34:42):
Name was a fun guy to watch.

Speaker 2 (34:44):
It was Hilario, right, the Brazilian. She looked like a
dude that could beat some people up.

Speaker 3 (34:51):
Here's one for you. Remember Kenneth for Reid.

Speaker 1 (34:54):
I wouldn't have thought of him more the rebound of men.

Speaker 4 (34:57):
Yeah, he used to just jump out the gym and
dunk on, you know. Great player to Stewart. Now I
see beefiting corner threes. Yeah, the pisses are a problem.
There are a problem, especially for the Pacers.

Speaker 2 (35:11):
By the way, on the tank front right now. The
lottery odds just sort of mind everybody because I don't
think it's maybe crystal clear. The odds aren't necessarily if
you have the first pick, you have the best odds,
and the second pick it goes down a little bit more,
third pick it goes down a little bit more. You know,
they have redone this a little bit by no means

(35:31):
I think is it a perfect system? And frankly, I
don't know what the perfect system is to avoid tanking.
But right now, the Pacers have the third worst record
in the NBA this season, yet they still have the
same odds to get the number one overall pick as
the team with the first worst record in the league.
So that's how they do it. One, two, three, I

(35:52):
want to say, it's fourteen percent odds are getting the
number one pick, and then if you have the fourth
worst record, it's like twelve percent, and if you know
the fifth worst record, it's like ten or nine percent.
So you know, again, these percentages are not massive. They
don't have a huge difference for and so I bring
all that up to say, you know, if you're a
fan out there, it's a quarter of the way through

(36:12):
the season, and if you're still walking that fine line
of like, well, I don't really want to root for losses,
but boy, this draft class looks kind of good. Next
year It's not like you need the Pacers to be
the worst team like you do in the NFL. In
the NFL purely comes down to record. So you know,
to draft Payton Manning, you need Jake Plumber and Arizona

(36:34):
Cardinals to go on a two minute drive late in
the season to win that. To draft Angel Luck, you
need Morey Showan Drew to pick up a huge third
and short late to get their number one overall pick
and draft Ange Luck. It's not the same in the NBA. Again,
odds are the exact same for one, two, three of
the worst records, and it starts to change a little
bit once you get to kind of four or five, six,
et cetera, et cetera. But just a little bit on

(36:56):
the lottery front for our tanking audience out there.

Speaker 1 (36:59):
One of the teams in the race for that lottery too,
the Clippers. You see last night, they waved goodbye late
last night, after two o'clock in the morning Eastern time
to Chris Paul, see you on down the road.

Speaker 4 (37:12):
Yeah, that whole situation is weird. He wasn't really playing,
he got sent home. I don't know if he was
disgruntled there. Maybe it's a financial move whatever the Clippers stink.
It is kind of sad to see Chris Paul go
out that way. I don't know if he'll play again
in the NBA, quite frankly, because I don't know if
he's like just got sent home or is the contract
no longer a thing, because I know he've done in

(37:32):
the past where they send you home and pay you
but you're tatnally under contract still. So a baz our situation,
a sad ending if this is the end for.

Speaker 1 (37:41):
They didn't know were in his future endeavors in their
statement last night. He'spent a great it was a great
part of the Clippers for a long time. We appreciated him.
Good luck.

Speaker 4 (37:52):
He might be their best player in their history. Seriously,
so SOEs the thought there he's going to join a contender.
I don't know, because I remember a couple of years ago,
I want to say, Houston sent John wallhome but he
was under contract still, so he couldn't really sign anywhere else.
They just said, hey, we just don't want to give
you the we don't want to use a roster spot
on you. We'll just pay you the money type of thing.

(38:13):
And if that's the case for Chris Paul then he
wouldn't be able to go anywhere else. I just don't know.
I guess we'll get more information on it, but very bizarre.
And also to do it in the middle of the night,
it's crazy too. I mean we've seen these moves made
all the time at regular times of the day. This
would be like if the Bucks did that to Damian
Lillard when they waved and stretched them to get Miles certa.
At least they did during business hours. That was kind

(38:33):
of crazy.

Speaker 2 (38:35):
We did have a question about Spencer Schrader Colts kicker
his status that was a pretty severe It was broken
leg great and at toorn.

Speaker 3 (38:43):
ACL Is that correct?

Speaker 4 (38:44):
No, I believe it was ACL and mcl. His leg
wasn't broken. It was a couple of different ligaments in
the knee though, So yeah, he won't be kicking again
until next year, well into next year.

Speaker 1 (38:55):
I mean, yeah, tough, tough, tough stot. But anyway, if
you want some NBA could be a pretty entertaining basketball game,
depending on all who shows out and plays. Tonight, the
Pacers at the field House taken on the Denver and
I'm going to tell you more about that coming up
in a few minutes, but coming up next Stephen Holder
covers the Indianapolis Colts ESPN dot com. He'll stop by
next on ninety three five and one on seven five fifty.

(39:18):
Good morning, walking into the middle of the week, because
we get you ready to go for a week fourteen
of the National Football League. The Indianapolis Colts right now
sitting there with the record of eight and four. They've
already had their bye week and now they take on
the Jacksonville Jaguars and James Boyd. It's for nothing less
than first place in the AFC South. We talked about
this earlier. If I'd have said that to you back
in the middle of August, you'd have been like, oh, okay,

(39:39):
cults are doing pretty well. And they were doing well,
but now they've lost three of their last four and
they got a brutal schedule upcoming. How's everybody feeling now?
On a scale of one to hundred for optimism.

Speaker 4 (39:49):
Optimism once to one hundred, Yeah, we should have like
a fraudulent scale because that's what it feels like we
should be measuring this team up against. But if I'm
kind of be optimist stick, I'll put it maybe forty
out of one hundred man thirty five going.

Speaker 1 (40:05):
To jacks Wow, it is Jacksonville. Let's check in with
our next guest, who joins us this morning, up bright
and early in twenty degree weather. I don't know if
you're sitting in a car right now, Carlin or not,
Stephen Holder, but thanks for joining us on the Payless
Liquors hotline.

Speaker 3 (40:18):
He ain't outside here all right, he got heat.

Speaker 1 (40:21):
You see the sympathy you're getting the big guy.

Speaker 8 (40:24):
I'm trying to delay going outside as long as possible.

Speaker 3 (40:27):
Yeah, the man is doing this from the bus stop.

Speaker 1 (40:30):
He ain't outside.

Speaker 8 (40:31):
Well, no, I'm not in the car. That will be soon,
but I'm going to have a remote start. It is
the best eventure ever for someone from Florida. Let me
tell you.

Speaker 1 (40:41):
From someone from anywhere, I'll tell you that as well.
So I'll ask you the same question. What would your
your optimism level have been a month ago for the
Colts as opposed to what it is now.

Speaker 8 (40:54):
Oh, a month ago I had him winning twelve games.
A month ago, I mean, and I big. That was
like a very realistic prediction. You know, look, they might
still They're not that far away from winning ten or
eleven now or even But I just think the trajectory
is such that it makes it hard to be optimistic.

(41:19):
And it's not as if we're just being negative. I
think that's the thing to kind of highlight we're not
just being negative for the sake of being negative. I mean,
I can certainly do that, like believe me, I'm very
accomplished at that, But that's not what this is. I mean,
I think we're just watching and reacting to what we
are seeing, and the injuries are such that it does

(41:41):
complicate things for them. But I believe the Savarius Wards
who said this, they do have everything in front of them.
They have to do the job, but they still have
everything that they wanted to accomplish. They still can technically,
but again, do we think they'll actually get there?

Speaker 2 (42:01):
Stephen, were you surprised to see Justin Tucker's name on
the Colts trial list yesterday?

Speaker 8 (42:09):
Not terribly surprised. I mean, I think we know just
based on how Michael Badgeley performs that the pickings of Slim,
that's just what it is. You know, you get to
week what do we week fourteen? And any position when
you're talking about the free agents that are available, I
mean You're scraping pretty far down in the barrel at

(42:34):
that point, and that's just what it is. And I
just think the Colts didn't have a lot to choose from.
It doesn't mean they were really inclined to sign him.
I think the other thing is you want some competition
in a workout, right, so he is certainly somebody who
could provide that. I don't know how close they came
to signing him. I think the assessment was that he

(42:58):
still has something in the tank, because I know a
lot of people have questioned that, and me included. They
felt like there was something there, But I just don't
know if the juice is worth the squeeze. Personally, I'm
not making a judgment on what he did or didn't do,
because who the hell knows. But the guy was suspended
for ten games after an NFL investigation. They found some reason.

(43:23):
You would think to do that. Do you really need
that headache among all the other things you're dealing with,
would be my response to that.

Speaker 1 (43:31):
Steven Older joining us now on the payless Liquors hot line,
moving forward, now going into a place that has not
been kind to this team for the last decade. Twenty
fourteen so the last time they were able to get
a win in Jacksonville, what makes you make the case
for it'll be different this time because the Colts.

Speaker 8 (43:51):
Well, I think it's a thing to do. I can't.
I don't know if I can. I will say that
the case is they're desperate. And I remember earlier this
year I was talking to Zire Franklin and I said
to him, like, you know, you've had teams that have

(44:14):
kind of gotten off some good starts before in his
time here, and I think it was Leaven like twenty
nineteen for example. He brought up I think they were
five and two that year, and you know, so we
were using that as an example. I'm like, well, what's
going to be different this time because you didn't finish
the job any of those other times. And he's like,
you know what, last year's team I wouldn't have had

(44:36):
I wouldn't have had a lot of faith that we
would finish the job because I feel like this team
is different. And he just said, there's just a different
mentality this year. Now. I think, given what's happened in
the last four weeks, you know, there's a lot of
room to question what he said in that conversation. Right,
but here's a chance to prove it. Go prove it. Okay,

(44:57):
show us you're different. This is your chance if they
do this. That they exercised one demon right in winning
in week one, which let's not underestimate what sort of
an eight hundred pound gorilla that was. This is the
other one. So go show us, and this would be
the win of all wins. To win in Jacksonville under

(45:19):
the circumstances. I mean, that would be huge.

Speaker 4 (45:22):
Let's see Steven looking at the offense. I know a
lot of the talk has been about Daniel Jones and
his fractured fibula, and he's playing through it. I happen
to believe he's not been the number one problem for
this offense. But when you look at the offense as
a whole, why do you think we've seen such a
drop off from the juggernaut they were to the first

(45:45):
eight games of the year. I think it was at
like maybe thirty two thirty three points a game to
the last four being around I believe like twenty points
a game.

Speaker 8 (45:55):
I mean, I think it's a combination of a lot
of things. The execution overall needs to be better, the
wide receivers didn't have a good game on Sunday against Houston.
That is unquestionable. Josh Downals, Michael Pittman could have been better.
Alec Parris I think is probably holding up his end
of the bargain, but I think overall they needed to
be better. I think the offensive line. Look, those were

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some tough matchups, but your center cannot get bull rushed
into the quarterback by a defensive end, which literally happened.
And it's just one example. Okay, that's just one example
of them just getting just killed in individual matchups that
can't happen. The blitzes are a problem again. Houston doesn't

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blitz that much. It appears they blitzed a lot more
in that game. And you know why because they have
a compromise quarterback. And I think I will take a
little bit of disagreement there. I will say this. I
think Daniel Jones is doing a great job given all
of the available evident and the situation that he is in.
That is a it's got to be a painful injury, okay,

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but he is compromised. He is. It is a one
hundred percent true and that is affecting the play calling.
He got outside of the pocket one time on Sunday.
That is not his game. Part of his game and
part of the reason he's here is because he can move,
and right now he cannot. So you have Shane Steiken

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and Jim Bob Couter working with an abbreviated playbook and
that's having an effect even on Jonathan Taylor because there's
no threat in the RPO. Not that they were running
quarterback runs anyway, but you at least have to account
for him getting outside, throwing on the run, all of
those things. It makes it easier for the defense, and
I think that is compromising them right now, there is

(47:49):
no question about it. And the defenses are reacting with
a lot of pressure and they have to end up
with quick throws and those are not very productive.

Speaker 3 (47:58):
You know what's crazy, Steve.

Speaker 4 (47:59):
When I was looking at game from last week, and
if I'm not mistaken, I believe Dale Jones, who a
couple of weeks ago had the crazy nineteen yard run
on third and twenty one in Berlin to help save
that game and win that game in overtime. Sunday's game,
the guy I believe had one carry technically for one yard,

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and I believe it's when he fumbled the snap, he
don't want it to get it back, So that should
let you know right there, and kind of piggybacks off
what you were saying about how different he looks compared
to how he was a month ago, and how the
Colts keeps saying there's no restrictions.

Speaker 3 (48:34):
Yeah, there are.

Speaker 8 (48:37):
Yeah, And I think it's not about you know, how
he looks, that's not really the issue. I mean, he's
he's making do with what he has and doing a
great job under the circumstances. I think both things can
be true, right, Like I remember tweeting this the other
day about some of this topic, and some of the
responses took offense. It's say, well, I mean, how are

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you going to bass this guy? He's got a broken leg?
I know, that's the point. He got a broken freaking
leg and he cannot play the same way. Like, that's
the point. Look, he given given all the pressure they
have faced in the last couple of weeks. If he
were healthy, how do you think he would have reacted
to that pressure much differently? Right, he would have escaped

(49:19):
the pocket a lot more. He's not trying to escape
the pocket. He's just trying to find anybody, somebody he
can throw the ball to, whether it's complete or not,
just so he doesn't take the sack. That's what he's
doing right now. And in some cases he's just throwing
a ball in the dirt, which is just not Daniel Jones.
That's really not what he's trying to do out there.
So there's no question if you look at it, in

(49:42):
his totality, he is compromised. But I don't have an
alternative for them because this is what they got. They
don't have it. They don't have another option. For a second,
I don't want to hear about Riley Leonard and no
offense O KD.

Speaker 2 (49:54):
Not that you trust me, none, none taken as you
know full wealth. You're such a hater even hold their ESPN.

Speaker 8 (50:01):
I love Riley Leonard. I love him as the Scout
team quarterback.

Speaker 2 (50:04):
Respective run. There was a reason why he was puking
after the opening drive of the Ohio State National title
game that you can't duplicate that in the NFL. Steven
hold it from ESPN with to sear payless Slickers hot line,
I guess kind of sticking to that general area, I'll
throw a little hypothetical at you better chance we see
Sauce Gardner play in the month of December or Anthony

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Richardson in the month of December.

Speaker 8 (50:29):
I I think Sauce Gardner. I just think that there's
just been no momentum toward getting Anthony Richardson back out there.
And I guess I'm not surprised. I mean, there was
always kind of a question about whether he would come back.
I think we never got a straight answer on whether

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they expected him back. I mean, I think there was
hope that they would get him back, but there was
really no definitive answer when when we asked that, which
has been asked many times, right, uh, there has been
I thought a very specific answer about Sauce. I mean,
you know, we'll see it's not written in blood. But

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but I do think they seem pretty confident about him
and the Forest Buckner, for example. I'm interested to see
how close the Forest Buckner is when we get to
practice today, Like is he is he in the mix?

Speaker 3 (51:24):
You know, I don't still one game out yet, one.

Speaker 8 (51:26):
More week, one more week, but like you know, I
saw him. I saw him in Kansas City. He was
in the locker room in good spirits, he said, like
he's getting close. You know, he seemed really optimistic there,
and I don't know. We'll see, But my point is
I can I can show you very specific feedback we've
gotten on him Sauce Gardner, et cetera. We have not

(51:48):
gotten that on Anthony Richardson. And I just think that
situation is so delicate when you're talking about a facial
injury of the nature that he had, that I don't
know if it's worth it, if there's any risk there.
You know, it's just not worth it.

Speaker 2 (52:01):
I think, Yeah, I think you laid that out pretty
much in the same boat that I would. I will
note and feel free to if you guys saw otherwise
in Kansas City. I thought Sunday was the first time
we've seen Richardson on the sidelines since the injury. Is
that correct? Did you guys se him Kansas City?

Speaker 8 (52:16):
I did not see him in Kansas City. I don't
know that he's traveled with them at all. So that's
a good point. You know, we're starting to see him
around the facility morning, right, And again.

Speaker 2 (52:26):
I'm just bringing that up. I'm not saying he's gotten
out to practice. I'm just simply saying from a in person,
we have seen him, frankly more than we saw him
the first whatever two three weeks after the injury.

Speaker 8 (52:38):
I would say, I think here's why. I think that's
an important thing to mention though, because for the first
I don't know, several weeks, we never even saw him, Okay,
I mean he was like at home to a to
a large degree, I think because as I as I did,
I mean I didn't do a lot, but as I
did a little bit of research on orbital fractures. I mean,

(52:59):
the diagnosis and the recommendations. I should say, the medical
recommendations are like, don't even like lift a heavy box literally,
you know, because any sort of strenuous effort can can
have an effect on the injury.

Speaker 3 (53:16):
Don't sneeze, I mean, isn't that one of those things?

Speaker 8 (53:18):
Yeah, don't sneeze. Yes, cough, don't cough too hard. That's
literally part of the actual medical recommendations when you have
an orbital fracture. So I want people to understand just
how severe in a situation that is. Yeah, I don't think.
I don't think we'll see them again.

Speaker 1 (53:39):
Man, from pregame collisions to rubber bands breaking off in
a weight room. Man, I hope that's not the kind
of stuff that defines this cold season when it's all
said and done.

Speaker 8 (53:48):
Steven, I mean, Lizen, what a year though, Think about it, right,
I mean that you've got the Shavarius Ward in his situation.
You've got Daniel Jones is rolling having a Peyton Manning
like season statistically, and then he has a broken fibulaer
because how I don't know. I mean, it's just one

(54:09):
thing after another. Divorce. Buckner's hurt. You trade for Sauce
Gardner two games in he does this. I mean they
haven't gotten any breaks. I won't give them that. They're
not the only team with injuries. That is very clear.
Joe Burrow and the Bengals could tell you all about that.
But I mean, for all of that to happen this year,

(54:31):
of all years, it hurts, There's no question about it.

Speaker 1 (54:34):
Steven, Stay warm, have a good day. We'll talk to
you again soon. I know these two guys will see
a little bit later on today. But I'll run into
you in a press box somewhere.

Speaker 8 (54:41):
All right. I'm starting to remote start right now.

Speaker 1 (54:44):
Go get it, man, gotta remind him. Thanks buddy, Stephen
Holder joining us on the Paylesslikers Hotline this morning. It
is starting to feel, gentlemen, a little bit like a
playoff game this weekend, isn't it.

Speaker 2 (54:54):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (54:55):
You know what.

Speaker 4 (54:55):
Kenny Moore mentioned that after the game, Kevin, when I
was in the locker room, he said, he feels like
this team has already been in a playoff mode since
the bye week, since coming back from the bye week,
and if you look at their schedule and really how
things have taken out since then, Yeah, you're playing for
your playoff life right now. You have no wiggle room anymore,

(55:15):
you have no luxury. The number one seed is gone.
You're not getting that. You have basically the AFC South
title feels like on the line this week. Yeah, you
have to be in playoff mode. This is do or die.

Speaker 2 (55:27):
So far not good in the playoff mode.

Speaker 5 (55:29):
And I'm gonna say you'd be eliminated if you were
in playoff most you'd be sitting at home, you know what.

Speaker 4 (55:34):
I was going through it though, And this is a
teaser first story to come out later today. Looking at
the last four years, excluding this year, the last four
years of the playoff drought, they have folded every single time.

Speaker 2 (55:48):
Well and it goes back to Chris ballad at the
start of the year. I guess the end of last
season is probably the better way to put it. Technically,
the press conference occurred in twenty twenty five, but one
of the biggest I guess shocks that I had walking
away from that season any press conference last year James
was how brutally honestly Chris Ballard said at a couple

(56:08):
of different iterations at press conference, our inability to win
critical games late in seasons is because we don't have
enough tough guys. You know, when you rank insults you
can have for a football team or a football player
in the NFL calling out the toughness of your play.
And to be fair to Ballard, he did preface by

(56:29):
saying that is on me. I'm the one that puts
the roster together. Now, okay, So who are the new faces?
Daniel Jones, Mooney, Ward, Tyler, Warren, cam bind them, you know,
obviously sas Gardner's situation is what it is right now. Like,
so those are some of the I guess, quote unquote
tough guy you know, I mean, those are the new
guys that you've gone out and found. So we'll see

(56:51):
how because right now, to Mark's point and James you
just said it, they're ze and two in the playoff games.
If you want to continue the Kennymore statement. So yeah,
I mean Sundays just mess. By the way, I've never
had a car with the remote start? Is it as
good as it sounds.

Speaker 1 (57:06):
I just got one. I'm looking forward to it. We'll see.

Speaker 4 (57:08):
I have it, but I don't use it because I
live in an apartment building. So I feel like I can't.
What am I gonna do? Like come downstairs four flights
of stairs and then hit the thing and then go
back up.

Speaker 3 (57:16):
Shoot it?

Speaker 1 (57:17):
Just do it through the window.

Speaker 3 (57:19):
Where are my Where my window is in my apartment?

Speaker 4 (57:21):
It faces the other side of like our building, So
like knock.

Speaker 2 (57:25):
On the person's apartment that has that window across the hall.

Speaker 3 (57:28):
Hey, Gary, I fire this thing up. Really, I haven't
used it.

Speaker 1 (57:31):
Can I start getting the Seinfeld situation going in your building?
Right there?

Speaker 4 (57:34):
Say? Oh, shout out to Honda's baby Ma. Honda silly
starts up every time there you go.

Speaker 9 (57:38):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (57:39):
It was a long scrape session for me and the
old Nissan Rug today.

Speaker 8 (57:42):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (57:42):
I did take the Ford expedition with one hundred and
sixty two thousand miles on it to work this morning
and that was nothing but ice and snow on the How.

Speaker 4 (57:51):
Many miles in the car before you say, hey, I'm
my money to go get the new one?

Speaker 3 (57:55):
Still just driving until it stops. It's still going.

Speaker 2 (57:58):
We traded our Honda court in a few months back
and it had I think close to two hundred.

Speaker 3 (58:03):
Yeah, I think that's the number.

Speaker 2 (58:04):
And I was ready running on the ground. But then
we had a third kid.

Speaker 3 (58:08):
I don't want to get strained with thirteen.

Speaker 1 (58:09):
They have that changes, right.

Speaker 2 (58:10):
Well, yeah, the size at standpoint here one thing to
note about, and I don't necessarily I don't know, maybe.

Speaker 3 (58:16):
Kevin following all the rules.

Speaker 4 (58:18):
Man back in my day, Kevin me being the littlest
of the bunch. That was always James. It's still just
you just throw for James on somebody's laugh and we're
we're riding in this in this.

Speaker 2 (58:28):
Four door car. I don't know.

Speaker 4 (58:29):
CPS would love that. I know they would not from me.
You're your parenting better than mine did.

Speaker 2 (58:35):
Well, we'll get amazing called jags streak in Jacksonville, maybe
for five minutes of one of these days this week.
But you know, I've said before one of the consistent
aspects to this streak has been I think Jacksonville's D
line has owned your O line, if you want to
look at it. One thing also to note is the
play of Trevor Lawrence lately, and I guess in regards

(58:57):
to Sunday, I found this kind of amazing. Like if
I just told you who would rather have as your quarterback,
Daniel Jones or Trevor Lawrence, will your answer.

Speaker 1 (59:05):
Be probably Trevor Lawrence right out today.

Speaker 2 (59:10):
Yeah, you're gonna go play a game on Sunday.

Speaker 3 (59:14):
Give me Trevor. Give me the guy who doesn't have
a broken leg.

Speaker 2 (59:18):
It is kind of crazy, I would agree. Last week
was Trevor Lawrence's first game all season with a rating
over one hundred, and Daniel Jones has got nine of
those games. Wow, Like this season you would say Daniel Jones.
But yet you know, I probably would be with you, guys.
But again, just to go with Lawrence here for a second.

(59:39):
In the last few years, he has torched the Colts
in these matchups. And again, Lawrence has been a very
polarizing quarterback.

Speaker 8 (59:47):
Right.

Speaker 2 (59:48):
It's heavily debated almost annually. You know, should the Jag
stick with them. Is Liam Cohen gonna stick with them?
Are they going to draft the quarterback high? The ended
up obviously trading up to draft Travis Hunter, who is
out for the season. But you know, that is something
that has been a huge advantage for Jacksonville over these
last three years. If you look at it, Lawrence's numbers
against the Colts are astronomically better than his career average.

(01:00:11):
So on the list of things you need to do
on Sunday, making Trevor Lawrence look like kind of the
blot Trevor Lawrence, I think a lot of people label
him as and as he's been this year, one game
over a hundred rating, that's not very good. That is
a muss.

Speaker 1 (01:00:25):
And to be clear, James, I are both just saying
because of the broken lake for Daniel Jones right now,
right yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:00:30):
If he didn't have a broken leg, I need you
to find the audio from SpongeBob when the guy goes
my leg, because that's what I think of whenever I
talk about Dale's only descibula, because yeah, I'm gonna roll
with the dude who probably has more mobility, less pain,
things of that nature. But even then I still think
it's a closer conversation because of what Kevin alluded to,

(01:00:51):
and that's the up and down nature of how Trevor
Lawrence is playing only this year, but just in years past.

Speaker 1 (01:00:55):
All right, coming up at a moment, we're going to
take a look at a huge weekend of sports here
in downtown. What it means for the city, what it
means for the teams around here, all of that. But
right now, let's check it down.

Speaker 7 (01:01:05):
Bye morning, checkdown on nuety sweet five and one.

Speaker 1 (01:01:14):
Mark, give that to me again because it factors into
what's gonna happen this weekend. He's rolling them all together
there for you.

Speaker 4 (01:01:24):
That's what I'm saying, man, That's what I think of,
because I mean, how are you playing with the broken les?

Speaker 3 (01:01:28):
How the Daniel Jones man something? His dude in the NFL.

Speaker 1 (01:01:32):
Colts will be playing at one o'clock on Sunday afternoon
on the road in Jacksonville. Kevin, remind me when was
the last time the Colts won a game in Jacksonville?

Speaker 2 (01:01:40):
Twenty fourteen? Again, they're leading tacklers to Quel Jackson, Greg Poehler,
larn Landry uh Trent Richardson was in the game, Josh
McNairy was in the game, Andrew Luck was outstanding. Reggie
Wayne now coaches the Colts. He played in that game. Yeah,
it's been a while, well the Colt Henny the jackson

(01:02:01):
You guys got any glowing Chad Henny memories. I feel
like Chad Henry. Chad Henney won a Super Bowl ring
with Mahomes a few years ago playing Michigan. Michigan Man.

Speaker 1 (01:02:10):
Yes, that'll start at one o'clock, airtime, ten o'clock for
the pregame right here with JMV and then Matt Taylor
in the game gets you going right up until kickoff
and James. They will have a brand new placekicker when
they played the Jacksonville Jaguars Sunday afternoon.

Speaker 4 (01:02:24):
Blake Groupie quite the last name. He is someone who
previously picked kicked for the Saints, got released actually, I
believe last week because he was missing too many field goals.

Speaker 3 (01:02:37):
He is eighteen twenty season field goals this year.

Speaker 4 (01:02:39):
However, unlike Michael Badgley who missed three pats point after
attempts this year, Blake group he has not missed any.
So I guess you're trading off the uncertainty on the gimmes,
which is the point after attempts versus perhaps some of
the inconsistency he has from field goals standpoint.

Speaker 1 (01:02:56):
All right, so that game comes your way Sunday afternoon,
and of course the Indiana Pacers at home tonight at
the field House. They'll be taking on the Denver Nuggets.
And we think that we're gonna see Nicole Yoakic tonight.
Kevin looks like it.

Speaker 2 (01:03:09):
He's probable. I mean, typically guys are always playing on
they're probable. I guess he could get downgrade at some
point today. But yeah, Jokich averages most points of any
team in the league. It is the Pacers that tops
that list, so he is feasted in this matchup. They
are without Aaron Gordon, Christian Brown, and Jamal Murray's questionable,
so they could be down a couple of different guys here.

(01:03:31):
So see if the Pacers can you know, get one
of these more in the kind of the marquee category.
You know, we'll see if the home crowd provides for
them tonight. All right.

Speaker 1 (01:03:41):
That will be on the fan tonight six thirty airtime,
seven o'clock start against the Denver Nuggets. Last night on
the fan, The Butler Bulldogs continued their winning ways. They've
got a four game streak, going five and zero at
home at the field House. They were an eighty four
sixty eight winner over Eastern Michigan last night. Finley busje
It continues to light it up twenty nine points last night.

(01:04:03):
Michael Lajai had nineteen points and thirteen rebounds. Butler will
play Saturday at the Fieldhouse against Boise And I'll tell
you what you know who's going to be there at
the halftime show. Mark Red Panda, Red Panda back from injury,
gonna be at the field House. I got a four
pack right now. Anybody who texts, not anybody, but here's

(01:04:23):
how you enter Panda Red. Anybody can enter thirty thousand
and hang. Anybody can enter Red Panda. Is what you
need to text me to two three, nine, ten seventy.
Will choose a winner before the show is over for
a family four pack two o'clock Saturday afternoon, Boise at
Boise State. How about that Red Panda? All right? Last night?
In college basketball continuing on, we had a terrific performance

(01:04:46):
by Purdue on their road and want to say terrific, Kevin.
They didn't punt on a road game in December in
conference play.

Speaker 2 (01:04:53):
Yeah. I said all day FJA Rutgers terrible, Purdue should
handle business. And they did a game for ten minutes,
fifteen minutes uts and then big late half flurry there.
Jakari Harris, who has I think struggled a little bit
of this season. Nice work from him off the bench
for Purdue. And they've got a huge one coming up Saturday,
Iowa State inside of Mackie Arena. So that is a

(01:05:14):
marquee non conference game for the Boilers. I always say
it's at a nice start to this season.

Speaker 1 (01:05:19):
They got an eighty one sixty five victory. The final
score there. Also, Notre Dame winning at home close went
over Missouri seventy six seventy one. You were up late
watching that last night.

Speaker 8 (01:05:29):
Up late.

Speaker 2 (01:05:30):
Marcus Burton, big time hoops. Cole Surta hits one from
Plymouth late man. I went nuts. I'd rather have Notre
Dame beat TCU Friday than Notre Dame make the football playoff.

Speaker 1 (01:05:40):
That's Missouri's first loss of the year.

Speaker 2 (01:05:42):
Insane, correct, Missouri's first loss the year. I love Notre
Dame basketball.

Speaker 1 (01:05:48):
Indiana State also got to win last night over your riek.
Later on tonight, I you Indy will play at Detroit
Mercy and number twenty two Indiana Kevin in the barn
taking on the Golden Gophers of Minnesota.

Speaker 2 (01:06:00):
Note on Indiana that I found just amazing and it's
a Darren Freese. In the start of this season, they
have scored one hundred points or more. I believe it's
three times already this season, and that is more than
the entire Mike Woodson era.

Speaker 1 (01:06:16):
Which is just wild. It's insane to think about.

Speaker 2 (01:06:20):
Yeah, ten and a half point favorite, and they've been good.
They didn't kill us three straight there?

Speaker 8 (01:06:24):
What was that?

Speaker 9 (01:06:25):
Mark?

Speaker 1 (01:06:25):
They didn't kill us?

Speaker 2 (01:06:29):
I do miss some Mike woods in press conference.

Speaker 3 (01:06:32):
Also tonight, still doing the ball.

Speaker 1 (01:06:33):
Stayed down the road. They'll be down in the southern
part of the state on a.

Speaker 2 (01:06:37):
Staff NBA staff somewhere.

Speaker 3 (01:06:40):
I don't think so.

Speaker 2 (01:06:41):
Oh my gosh, that was his favorite mark. That was
that the cameo when the Purdue fans tried to get
Matt Painter, Maddy you get a win. Maddie was so good.
I think one of the wilder things of the woods
and Arrow will be looking back, and I believe he
had a better record against Matt Painter than Matt Painter
had against him, which is kind of one of the

(01:07:02):
wilder says.

Speaker 5 (01:07:04):
He's currently the associate head coach at the Sacramento Kings.

Speaker 4 (01:07:09):
Okay, get your money, then, who you just want to
play golf? They did, They're wire different man.

Speaker 2 (01:07:15):
They get a healthy buyout.

Speaker 3 (01:07:17):
I think the only one who like probably has done
that is it was ed or Iseron.

Speaker 4 (01:07:22):
He's like the only one I feel like who walked
away from coaching and was like, all right, I don't
have to do this again. Everyone else wants to get
back in. Yeah, he said, pay me the money and
I'll tell you what do I'm leaving out of respect him.

Speaker 2 (01:07:32):
People were mad with how much of golf he played
when he was the head coach. I'm like, damn, dude,
just kick up the feet and get an eighteen every day.

Speaker 1 (01:07:38):
Hey, one quick question in college football too, anybody gonna
take the job at Penn State?

Speaker 2 (01:07:42):
Yeah, that's odd.

Speaker 3 (01:07:43):
I volunteer myself.

Speaker 1 (01:07:44):
So BYU coach went is staying Colonie Sataki. They matched
whatever off for Penn State was gonna have. Apparently a
bunch of uh time the church got together and said
no whatever you need to stay, that's what we're gonna do.

Speaker 8 (01:07:57):
It's good.

Speaker 2 (01:07:58):
Tom Allen to Happy Valley, Him back there.

Speaker 1 (01:08:00):
I've heard a couple of people float that and had
a nice year as a defensive coordinator this year.

Speaker 2 (01:08:05):
I was kidding, to be clear, No, I.

Speaker 1 (01:08:07):
Know, but there are people that I've suggested that is
what I'm saying. I realized, like, legit, people, I wrote it.
I think I read it twice online. But again your
Penn State? What are you looking at now? Everybody else?

Speaker 2 (01:08:20):
And oh Mark, keep on going with that.

Speaker 1 (01:08:22):
I can't.

Speaker 4 (01:08:22):
It was a three second clip, but yeah, I was like, well,
where's Urban Meyer the jazz club snapping of a tub?

Speaker 1 (01:08:28):
I thought that too, But and I looked at that
and the chaser opening he had said he's not interested too.

Speaker 2 (01:08:33):
So well, now you have me excited that. Tom Allen
to Penn State.

Speaker 1 (01:08:36):
No, I don't think it's gonna happen.

Speaker 2 (01:08:38):
But well, you said you read it on the internet.
Everything we've read that's true.

Speaker 1 (01:08:42):
Just bringing it up for conversation's sake more than anything.
But uh, my point being to underscore the point that
nobody seems to want that job right now.

Speaker 4 (01:08:50):
Google AI told me that Tom Allen is the next
Penn State coach.

Speaker 3 (01:08:54):
It's correct.

Speaker 1 (01:08:57):
All right, we're gonna take a look at a big week
and a half in Indianapolis for sports, because that's what
we do. Join us next at ninety three five and
one oh seven five the fans, Good morning. We're here
to keep you as warm as we can throughout the
day here, and if nothing else, maybe we'll be your
remote start Kevin. We'll get you all warm and fuzzy

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for a great weekend of sports coming up. On Saturday.
You've got, of course, Louisville and Indiana basketball over at
the field House, and then later on the night Big
Ten Conference Championship football game between Ohio State and the
Indiana the number one and two ranked teams in America.
Right now, we're here to tell us more about how
that all came together. The senior director of Marketing and
Communications for the Indiana Sports Cort Dan Gliat, joining us

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here on the pay Less Liquors hotline. Good morning, Dan,
it sounds like you guys are going to be busy
all week long.

Speaker 9 (01:09:49):
Good morning, Thanks for having me on. It is a
busy week in a long line of busy weeks we
have had here at the sports scene in Indianapolis. But
we're excited for it.

Speaker 2 (01:09:59):
Dan, preciate you boy, but I'm choked up just thinking
about it. Appreciate you joining us. Okay, let's uh, let's
get fans set for Saturday. Obviously we've got two o'clock
over Game Bridge, as Jeff said, and then I forget
the exact kick time. I want to say eight o'clock
over at Lucas Oil in between games. Anything from a
fan fest standpoint, I think a convention center usually has

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some activation stuff, So downtown wise, what could fans be
looking for.

Speaker 9 (01:10:25):
Yeah, we're super excited to host a big can Big
ten fan Fest presented by Doctor Pepper once again inside
the Indiana Convention Center. It's going to be so much
fun there. If you've been downtown for the Big ten
fan fests, you've seen this, but it's brand new this year.
Once again, We're gonna have tons of activations inside there.
If you want to run the forty yard dash, if
you want to play some video games, Do you want

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to do some diving catches, if you want to kick
some field goals, this is the place to be to
get excited. You know, if you're going to that IU
Louisville game, come right over after that. If you're just
getting ready for the big game, if you've got a
ticket in there. If you do, you have a ticket
to the Big Ten Football Championship game, you have free
access into fanfests. You actually got to send a separate

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ticket for that. But if you don't have a ticket
into the game, tickets started just sixteen dollars, ten dollars
for kids into an under a free so really affordable,
spans friendly atmosphere. It's going to be so much fun
inside the Convention.

Speaker 2 (01:11:22):
Center, Dan, I don't remember last time a sporting event
I've been asked more about tickets to the actual game
here in our city than Saturday nights. I am curious.
You know, do you know, like how tickets get divided up?
You know how many I guess did Indiana get? How
many did Ohio State get? How does that work for
the Big Ten Championship?

Speaker 9 (01:11:42):
You know, it's a little bit different every single year,
and the Big Ten is the ones that handle those.
I know, like the teams get a certain amount each year,
and how those are divided up, I'm not exactly sure,
but like I said, this might be the hottest ticket
in town right now.

Speaker 8 (01:11:56):
For this game.

Speaker 9 (01:11:56):
I mean it's one versus two, it's IU. Ohio State
hasn't been here in a couple of years. They finally
got over that hump against Michigan in one of the
big games on Saturday. So we're just really excited to
have just such a huge crowd. We're excited for this
town to literally be painted red. I know that that's
a metaphors sometimes, but I expect so much red downtown

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on Saturday, between the IU and Louisville basketball game and
then Ohio State IU for the football game.

Speaker 1 (01:12:23):
We're doing anything with the streets. We're going to rename
all the streets like Signetti Way or Mendoza Boulevard or
anything like that this weekend.

Speaker 9 (01:12:31):
I jove downtown today and I saw a couple of
the signs are up right now. The streets signs are up.
I'm looking over at Lukasho Stadium and the signage is
going up right now on the north side of the stadium.
So all that street signage, all that stuff that we're
used to seeing the airport. I just want to shout
out our friends at the airport for everyone that's going
to be flying in for this game and hopefully everyone

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could do it safely with the weather. But they they've
had signage up for the last couple of weeks right now,
and think like that. So the city is going to
be decked out ready for this game.

Speaker 4 (01:13:04):
So Dan as someone who is so envious of what's
going to happen this week, and I have to travel
for the Coles game.

Speaker 3 (01:13:09):
And if you can.

Speaker 4 (01:13:10):
Petition the league to have the Cold slip their road
game in Jacksonville to a home game so I could
be here Saturday for all the festivities by all means,
you know, do that for me. But in all seriousness,
when you're looking at like logistically what you all have
to do and plan for, how much planning, pre planning
goes into this and how much I don't know if
it's post playing is the right word, but how much
does it shift when you know you're going to get

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an influx of IU fans.

Speaker 9 (01:13:35):
I mean, the Big Ten has been such great partners,
and we love to say here in Indianapolis that we
are been the only ones that ever host this game.
The Big Ten Football Championship Game has only ever been
hosted in Lucas Oil Stadium, and I think it's because
we worked so hard on that pre planning process. I mean,
we've been talking with the Big ten four months about
all the different iterations and how we want to make
this game better. We don't just rest on our laurels.

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Even though we've hosted this game for a long time,
for fifteen years now, we really try to make it
better for the student athletes, for the coaches, for the
fans every single year. So that planning happens months in advance,
and we've been looking at the standings just like every
other fan, and we've been looking at a possible IU
games here, and we've been thinking about how to make
this better, how to make this for fans coming in.

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We've also been thinking about Ohio State fans. Is the
first time that they've possibly been here for five years,
so they haven't been here for a while, So how
do we make this experience.

Speaker 8 (01:14:24):
For them better?

Speaker 9 (01:14:25):
And then we'll talk about that after the game, as
well as how do we do it next year in
the year after to continue to make this the best experience.
We put ourselves out there as the best host city
in the country. This is one of those marquee weekends
every single year you can mark it down that Indianapolis
is hosting it and we want to put on the
best experience possible for everyone involved.

Speaker 1 (01:14:43):
Well, you guys always put on a great experience. There's
so much great stuff that's been here in the last
several years, dating all the way back to the Super
Bowl and All Star Games, and Championship Games, National Championship,
you name it, Final Fours, it's what we do here.
Of all those things, I still think one of the
most fun things we've done. My wife and I went
to the Olympic Trials two years ago when you put

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a pool at Lucas Oil Stadium. I know we've got
more stuff like that coming up. What are some of
the other big events on the horizon that we need
to keep on our radar.

Speaker 9 (01:15:13):
Yeah, in a couple of weeks, you know, I know
some of the Boilermaker fans probably aren't loving all the Iutah,
But in two weeks we were hosting the Indie Class
that presented by Bush's Chili Beans over at Gambridge Fieldhouse.
That's a college basketball doubleheader. That's Purdue versus Auburn and
then Butler versus Northwestern. That's in a couple of saturdays
over at Gambridge and then we are constantly working on

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the men's Final Four coming here in the spring. We're
also hosting a Big Ten women's basketball Championship that'll be
in March. But we're really focused on a lot of
basketball events coming up here. And there's no better state
than city to host college basketball in Indiana and Indianapolis.
Who are really looking forward to that. But all our
eyes once we get through this big weekend, are going

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to be focused on college basketball and we're really excited
about it.

Speaker 1 (01:15:58):
Sounds good. Thanks for joining us this morning, Dan, We
appreciate that. Good luck this weekend, and let's see what happens. Man,
It's gonna be a lot of fun one and two
at the Big Ten Tournament or Big Ten Football Championship.
I can't wait.

Speaker 9 (01:16:11):
Hey, appreciate the time, guys. Love what you guys do.

Speaker 8 (01:16:13):
Keep it up.

Speaker 1 (01:16:14):
Thanks Dan. It just goes on and on. There's not
a better you hear me going this rant three times
a year. There's no better place to be in sports
than Indianapolis.

Speaker 2 (01:16:22):
Yeah, through twenty twenty eight, I believe for the Big
Ten Football Championship officially, And you know I was listening
to Tony CD commissioner last year, and he was pretty
adamant that from an eighty standpoint, you know, this is
where they want to be, which I thought was saying
something considering how widespread the conferences geographically right now. By
the way, I think we had a listener reach out
earlier in the week thinking ticket prices will come down

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for you in Ohio state.

Speaker 1 (01:16:44):
What is it now?

Speaker 2 (01:16:46):
Mark, good luck getting in the building for less than
five hundred. I mean that's where that's where you're looking
right now. Everything is hovering now. It was out of
un and those are way up top.

Speaker 8 (01:16:56):
Oh.

Speaker 2 (01:16:56):
I mean we're talking the worst seats in the house
four hundred ish early in the week. Now it is
pretty much everything at five hundred on the secondary ticket market.

Speaker 4 (01:17:04):
Real quick question before we go to break. Is there
a bad seat Lucas Ohl Stadium. I've never actually gone
all the way up to the top, but most fans
tell me they do get.

Speaker 3 (01:17:13):
A pretty good view of the action.

Speaker 2 (01:17:15):
Yeah. I mean a few times I've sat in there
as a spectator. Yeah, like three hundred, four hundred level
I've sat in I think is actually a really good seat.
I've sat there actually for the National Championship, for basketball.
A few times, James, they had to overflow seating for
the media, like section five thirty something for the national
title game Georgia Bama. I didn't think that was horrible,

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but i've you know, again, I haven't been to many
live events, but you know, when you get up to
section six hundred, you know, bring the binoculars.

Speaker 1 (01:17:44):
We for a long time we had season tickets to
the Colts games about halfway up that north end zone, Okay,
the window there. I love those because you could see,
you could literally see the plays developing and happening. And
I liked it, enjoyed it. So I don't think there
are terrible, terrible seats at Lucas Oil. But yeah, if

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you want to sit up in the cheap seats, it's
going to be five hundred bucks plus and it might
even go up to six hundred by the time we
get there, Kevin, because this has gone up one hundred
just in the last thirty six hours. So we'll see
what happens, all right, coming up in a moment, we
were talking about how crazy the worst fans are for cities,
and we were talking about Philadelphia yesterday, waiting to hear

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the latest for fans out there. We'll do that next
ninety three five one on something five the fans check
it out some of the responses on the fan text
line this morning two three, nine, ten seventy and we'll
get a winner on the Butler tickets coming up in
a moment here, matt O, Texan Kevin the very last
show underneath the press box might be the only bad seat.

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If you stand, you can't see the field. The press
box blocks your view or the field, so you have
to sit the entire game. So there's what it sounds like,
a horrific seat that get you get like a constructed
view price on that one.

Speaker 2 (01:19:02):
Yeah, I don't know. I you know, I did overflow
for the Super Bowl as well, and those were six
hundred something or other and seats weren't great. But nonetheless,
what are your.

Speaker 1 (01:19:10):
Seats at the notre INGA last year?

Speaker 2 (01:19:12):
Uh? Well, the that's so media sitting for that was
like I was three thirty something, and honestly it wasn't
too bad. I mean, you're in the corner. I was
on the Ohio state side, so that was quite humbling,
especially as they built that lead there. But I'm gonna
stand by what I said earlier. In the week. I think.
I mean, for IU fans, this is one of the

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greatest days in athletics history, and it's in the state capitol.
I'd be I get it's Ohio State, but I would
be very surprised if we're not talking about a seventy
thirty IU split on IU side of it, if not more.
I mean, IU fans understandably are talking about this game

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like it's, you know, the second coming of you know
who Hoo. State fans are like, yeah, what's the bracket?
How do we want another one? So I don't know,
maybe I'm fans.

Speaker 4 (01:20:10):
I think they'll be more Ohio State fans than that.
I'm probably one more sixty five thirty five, sixty four.

Speaker 1 (01:20:16):
That's what I feel like sixty five.

Speaker 4 (01:20:18):
You mentioned yesterday, Jeff, I'm with you on that one.
I just think Ohio State fans they travel very well.

Speaker 2 (01:20:22):
Of course, can be hard to see because the colors are.

Speaker 1 (01:20:25):
Be fun to send all those folks home unhappy too,
won't it.

Speaker 3 (01:20:28):
I mean, for sure, certainly that would be quite telling.

Speaker 2 (01:20:32):
Graham Ray Hall.

Speaker 4 (01:20:33):
But at the same time, okay, Graham boy, I also
think that that's part of the reason why Hillo State
fans will show up to come to your state capital
and tell you guys still are still are not on
our level.

Speaker 1 (01:20:43):
You're still little brothers.

Speaker 3 (01:20:44):
What they want to tell I think that's what they
want to say.

Speaker 1 (01:20:46):
We were talking about fan bases and how horrible they
can be. Philadelphia living up again to that reputation. Mark Dickton,
did you see this? The New Jersey home, which is right,
you know, part of the suburbs of Philadelphia and southern
New Jersey, Jersey home of Eagles offensive coordinator Kevin Patulo
egged Saturday morning, according to Morristown Police Department, a day

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after their twenty four to fifteen home loss to the
Chicago Bears. They're egging an NFL offensive coordinator's house because
they lost a Friday game.

Speaker 2 (01:21:19):
He was on Frank Craik's staff when he was here
in Indy.

Speaker 3 (01:21:22):
This is why people live in gated communities. Yeah, no,
I'm gonna last.

Speaker 4 (01:21:25):
I just kind of scary that someone can just find
radgress like that, So I hope that it does not
further escalate and he has security and all the measures
needed to keep his family safe. I'm no sports, we
get crazy, but that's a bridge too far.

Speaker 2 (01:21:38):
You're allowed to drive people off the road like Lane
Kiffin had done to him an old mess, but not
allowed to.

Speaker 4 (01:21:42):
Be I'm waiting for like someone to get video footage
of him driving to just dispute that, Like, know what,
you're a liar because you do realize since he left
and did did the whole the team wanted me to
coach them. Several several players that come out and said no,
we actually did not.

Speaker 1 (01:21:59):
Want you to.

Speaker 2 (01:22:00):
That's been awesome to see.

Speaker 4 (01:22:01):
So I don't trust his account on anything Elane Kiffin,
like conspiracy theories that are coming out, like did you
hear about the whole dog situation that maybe the dog
wasn't actually his and.

Speaker 2 (01:22:10):
A dog didn't live with them? Yeah, this is just excellent.

Speaker 3 (01:22:14):
I'm that thing.

Speaker 2 (01:22:15):
Yeah, I'm here for all of them.

Speaker 5 (01:22:17):
Apparently he left the dog because the dog wasn't actually
living with him. It was just like a show dog
like you come out when I'm like in public. But
other than that, I want nothing to do with you.

Speaker 4 (01:22:26):
The quickest way to become public any a real dog
owner to not be a real dog.

Speaker 2 (01:22:31):
Lover, Kirk Kurbstreet, here's that he's gonna be.

Speaker 1 (01:22:32):
Our rate dogs are the best. I'm a dog person.

Speaker 5 (01:22:36):
Then you hate Lane Kiffin right now like a lot
of yeah, that will get you hated.

Speaker 1 (01:22:40):
Oh I was, I was in that line way before
this happened.

Speaker 8 (01:22:44):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (01:22:44):
Soya, Philadelphia fans living living up to their reputation right
on brand.

Speaker 2 (01:22:48):
But we got some great NFL games starting tomorrow night.
Cowboys Lions Tomorrow night. That is an awesome Thursday night game.

Speaker 1 (01:22:55):
It's the over under on that one.

Speaker 2 (01:22:56):
It's one of the biggest in the NFL all year.
I believe it's fifty four and Bill might like Bill's
Bengals on Sunday is also a big over under. That's
like fifty two. So, uh, We've got some huge games.
I know Colt Jaggs obviously speaks for itself. We got
some really really big games here in Week fourteen. I
think Tomorrow night is an awesome, awesome game.

Speaker 1 (01:23:15):
Who are the Bears play?

Speaker 3 (01:23:16):
Mark green Bay? They stuck by the way Cocker suck. Yep,
they sure do.

Speaker 5 (01:23:22):
Also Bill's Bengals, I know the Bengals obviously have had
a not a great season, but you're still getting Joe
Burrow Josh Allen again. That's always usually a pretty good showdown.

Speaker 4 (01:23:30):
Can I say this real quick. This is from Ian
Repperport right now. He says, the culture and I expended
to play Sauce Gardner on injury Reserve per me and
Tom Pelaserro or per the head coach that we talked
to Monday who said that wasn't a possibility.

Speaker 1 (01:23:43):
We'll read that again.

Speaker 4 (01:23:45):
It's just I mean NFL insiders, Ian Repperport, Tom Pelasero.
They report that IR is not a possibility for a
Sauce Gardner and I believe it was you one Kevin
Boonen who did ask that question to change and he said,
you know what, it's on a possibility. So I would
say per Kevin Bough and per Shanstichen.

Speaker 2 (01:24:04):
Just national media.

Speaker 3 (01:24:05):
It's just stupid.

Speaker 2 (01:24:06):
They can kiss.

Speaker 1 (01:24:07):
My When I was at ES described.

Speaker 2 (01:24:10):
More of my ass, but they can just kiss it.

Speaker 1 (01:24:12):
When I was at ESPN, I remember the news department
putting out notices of how you would be able to
frame things when news broke, and you you always had
you couldn't go with a story until someone on the
ESPN's news staff confirmed it and then you had to
read it as ESPN is confirming reports that so and

(01:24:35):
so is this even though somebody else broke it like
four hours earlier. It's crazy. It's crazy.

Speaker 2 (01:24:40):
I don't usually do the media thing on media on
social media right now, but I'm gonna do it.

Speaker 3 (01:24:45):
Go get oh, I was just gonna do the same thing.

Speaker 4 (01:24:49):
I'm going to screenshot the response and just the coltsweet thems,
simple as that.

Speaker 1 (01:24:54):
All Right, we'll talk about all these things and more
of the cults. With a big game coming up in Jacksonville.
Can they get over that hump and over these late
season woes. We'll find out next as we continue in
ninety three five and one of seven to five fan,
Good morning, welcome into our number three. We've been talking
about the NFL. We've been talking about big ten championship

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football games, great college basketball, but it comes down to
this time of year. Can the Colts get over the hump?
And the last non playoff seasons have just been dismal.
Along with Kevin Bowen, James Boyd, I'm jeff Rickord and
Mark Kichten on the other side, James, you've been doing
just basic research on how bad things have been, but

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just the record alone tells you all you need to know.
Right now.

Speaker 4 (01:25:39):
Yes, So we are now in the month of December.
If you look at the previous four years, each of
which the Colton not made the playoffs, they are a
combined nine and twelve during the months of December and January.
The last time they made the playoffs, they went four
and one down the stretch in December and January two

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make the postseason to get into the dance. So all
that in mind, I think, not only is this upcoming
game a huge one from a playoff picture standpoint, AFC
South Championship standpoint, all the above, but you have a
chance to extra out some demons I think down in Duval County.
Beyond just the losing street to the Jaguars on the road,

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it's bigger than that. To me.

Speaker 3 (01:26:21):
It's a chance to prove you are a new team.

Speaker 4 (01:26:24):
You have done that to a degree, I think so far,
you won your first season opener since twenty thirteen, you
were two to zero for the first time since two
thousand and nine, you had a great start to the
year seven and one, all of the above. But now
that you have hit this rough patch, do you have
enough to basically prove to us that this year will

(01:26:44):
be different?

Speaker 1 (01:26:46):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:26:46):
I think it's really well said to me you don't
always get games where the psychological I guess benefit equals
the playoff benefit of the win, if that makes sense,
Like I think this serves both of those. If you
look at the playoff odds, it shifts like thirty forty

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percent win or loose.

Speaker 3 (01:27:10):
Oh, it's huge.

Speaker 2 (01:27:10):
And then to James's point, when you haven't won there
in a decade, you've largely lost these games in December
and January, I do think it can do something for
you more so than winning at Seattle would next week,
or beating even San Francisco on Monday Night football. Again,
if you're gonna rank these final five games and the
importance of them, this one on Sunday is right up

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there at the top of the list. Where is San Francisco's. Yeah,
they're all big, of course, but that doesn't fall into
the same category as it. And you know what, I
think it's also a big game for Jacksonville. You know,
from their side of it, you know they've had this
awkward last three or four years where you know, they
were the one seed entering the month of December just
two years ago and then it fell off a cliff

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and then last year, of course they make the coaching
change and now here comes Liam Cohen. And you watch
the Jags this year and you're kind of like, wait,
how are they eight and four? You know, I mean,
there's not a lot when you look at their numbers,
there's just not a lot that they have top ten
ish stuff on either side of the ball here. So
I think it's the reason why Vegas has got this

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game pegged. It's just a slight favorite for the Colts.
And you know, this is just yeah, it's it's massive,
absolutely massive.

Speaker 1 (01:28:21):
For those wondering ESPN dot com. They have their matchup
predictor for every game where they run these games through
thousands of simulations. Right now, the Colts are fifty four
point six percent with a chance to win, so they're
slightly favorite. They're also the Colts going in on the
road are one and a half point favorites too.

Speaker 3 (01:28:41):
James, I'd never favorite them in Dull County ever.

Speaker 2 (01:28:47):
Just make you guys feel old at all. Today's National
Signing Day. The Notre Dame recruiting class has the sons
of Larry Fitzgerald, Jamichael Finley, and Thomas Davis.

Speaker 4 (01:28:59):
That is yeah, I'm starting to get to that point
where I'm like wait a second, I think it happened for.

Speaker 2 (01:29:04):
Me, Like, why do I feel like Larry Fitzgerald go
play an NBA or an NFL game tomorrow and have
seven catches for sixty two yards?

Speaker 3 (01:29:10):
He probably couldn't a couple third down pickups as well?
Is it?

Speaker 4 (01:29:13):
Jase richardson Michigan State? He played there, and I was like, Wow,
your dad was amazing burning but we believe era of
the Golden State Warrior that was pre Stephen Curry. So yeah,
I guess it is that time of the year. I
always enjoyed this as a high school reporter, though National
sign Day was fun. Good, a chance to be around
a bunch of kids hopefully trying to change their lives
for the better.

Speaker 1 (01:29:31):
You'd been to those press conferences where they have three
hats in front of him and they choose the hat.

Speaker 4 (01:29:35):
Yeah, and I've always known where they were gonna go.
I know some kids would tell me beforehand and I
just wouldn't say anything, but others would like, try to
not leak it, but it'd be so obvious that which
school they're going to.

Speaker 1 (01:29:50):
The first time I ever went to one of those
press conferences, it was Chauncey Billups oh man, he was.
He went to high school in Denver.

Speaker 2 (01:29:56):
That was a big game Coado.

Speaker 1 (01:29:58):
Yeah, it's right. He went to Colorado for a year
to help them upset North Carolina in the NCAA tournament.

Speaker 2 (01:30:03):
Yeah, it was fun watching last night again Florida. But
do and go, Braylen Mullins.

Speaker 3 (01:30:06):
So you're saying you're the pipeline to watch Hauntsey is
the way he is?

Speaker 1 (01:30:09):
Now, that's me.

Speaker 2 (01:30:10):
That's it. That's exactly right. Attended the poker game afterwards
to celebrate.

Speaker 1 (01:30:15):
Chauncey's making headlines for the wrong reasons these days.

Speaker 2 (01:30:18):
The commitments to college changed.

Speaker 1 (01:30:20):
But isn't that guy like one of the last guys
you would have expected to get caught up in something
like that.

Speaker 4 (01:30:26):
Yeah, honestly, if you told me Terry Rozier was involved
in that, yeah, because he's kind of a clownish player.

Speaker 3 (01:30:31):
But I guess looks sar can we deceiving?

Speaker 5 (01:30:34):
Speaking of a national signing day, By the way, this
guy hit us up on Twitter. He said, my son
and his teammate are signing their letter of intent today.
Avan Robinson is signing with Central Michigan and then Messias McDaniel,
all both of Brownsburg.

Speaker 3 (01:30:47):
The back back of.

Speaker 5 (01:30:47):
State jasatched him signing with Illinois State, so he said
to give him a shout out. So congratulations those guys.
That's a big day for them and their family.

Speaker 1 (01:30:54):
We tell you that offensive line Brownsburg had this year,
it was fun to watch. Man.

Speaker 2 (01:30:59):
Yeah, what a great day. I get this, you know,
National sign Day. Maybe it's lost a little bit of
its luster from a transfer portal standpoint, but still it's
an awesome day for somebody out there.

Speaker 3 (01:31:07):
So if only I could be so athletic to get
free school congrats.

Speaker 2 (01:31:11):
I saw that, like, yes, go ahead, No, I'll just say, James,
We've got a few questions, and it was kind of
scrolling through the YouTube chat and you know, to look
at that. I just threw out the line of this.
The Colts have signed a new kicker, Blake Groupie. How
would you say, I guess how much of an upgrade,
if at all, you feel he is to Michael Bagley.

Speaker 3 (01:31:35):
Very slight.

Speaker 4 (01:31:37):
I would say he's an upgrade from the standpoint of
if we score a touchdown, he'll make the pat which
is a big because the.

Speaker 1 (01:31:44):
Complexion of the way you play the game, like we
saw this past week.

Speaker 4 (01:31:47):
Yeah, if you miss pats for sure, But from an
overall kicking standpoint, I don't expect this guy to like
go out there and win you games. I would not
feel great about lining up for a forty four yarder
to win it this upcoming sun day in Jacksonville.

Speaker 5 (01:32:01):
Can you imagine if that's what happens, if the game
comes down, Oh but gut he picked up off the
suite to snap the Jaguar at Jacksonville.

Speaker 2 (01:32:09):
You would carry him back. The Indie Grover Stewart would
have to carry him on his shoulders, which it probably
would be like carrying a bit.

Speaker 4 (01:32:15):
Yeah, we see. We got a couple people saying he's
a down grade. I can't go that far. If you
don't make point after its tims, I don't care what
else you do on the field. Yeah, you're just not
going to be in the NFL. I've tried to describe
this for the last few weeks.

Speaker 2 (01:32:26):
I don't know if people fully realize how astronomically bad
three missed extra potation. So you broke it down, it's
I'm not going to go over the numbers. It is
absurdly bad. Listen to Brian Mason's the one word he
used yesterday to describe it inexcusable. When an NFL coach
calls something a player does inexcusable in a public setting,

(01:32:46):
I think that tells you everything you need to know
about what they thought of the extra points. So I
do largely agree though James. You know, from an overall
sample size, Blake Group he has definitely missed, you know,
field goals this season inside of fifty yards as well. Now,
from a leg strength standpoint, I think Group he's got
a little bit more from fifty plus, not much like

(01:33:08):
I think change seconds. Play calling will still be pretty aggressive,
you know, when you get into that zone around the
thirty five forty yard line. But my bar is simply this.
Can you get to the end of the season and
if Blake Group he has missed one extra point in
five games and he's fine on you know, fine ish
on field goals, it's a win.

Speaker 4 (01:33:28):
I also look at it like this because I see
people saying like, oh, you know, it's a downgrade because
he misses field goals. We all have jobs, right, and
we have the bare minimum we have to do for
our jobs. For example, at our jobs here on the station,
your bare minimum will be to show up at seven

(01:33:48):
o'clock and turn the mic on. You really can't do
the show if you're not here. His job, his bare
minimum as a kicker is to make the extra point.
That's the east line. That is the least we're asking
you to do. And if you can't do that, then
you can't have a job in the NFL. It's that's
what I'm not saying. That Blake group with some revelation,
he's going to turn things round. I think he's flawed

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as well. But at least you have the peace of mind.
You know, we get in the end zone and we
score a touchdown, this guy won't mess us up because
he can't make the layup.

Speaker 2 (01:34:21):
Does that mean you've missed an extra point or two
if you have to be here at seven o'clock.

Speaker 4 (01:34:25):
Absolutely, But in fairness, I've missed two in about eight
months now, I think so a little more seven games.

Speaker 1 (01:34:36):
Let's check the text line right now, two nine, ten seventy.

Speaker 3 (01:34:39):
You want to slash Kevin's tired?

Speaker 1 (01:34:42):
I mean I was waiting for somebody.

Speaker 2 (01:34:45):
Believe markedn't jump all over the sitting right.

Speaker 9 (01:34:49):
No.

Speaker 3 (01:34:49):
I wanted to just let it breathe.

Speaker 1 (01:34:50):
I thought Mark.

Speaker 2 (01:34:51):
Didn't hear James I will tell you I was James
makeson own analogy where he's criticizing himself and yet no,
it just sits there.

Speaker 3 (01:34:59):
Sometimes he just let it breathe.

Speaker 1 (01:35:00):
Yeah, uh, this one Dave wants to know KB. Are
you surprised the line keeps dropping in the Indiana versus
Ohio State game.

Speaker 2 (01:35:08):
Dave from Beach grow Uh yeah, open up at what
five and a half and I think it's down of four?

Speaker 8 (01:35:12):
No?

Speaker 2 (01:35:13):
No, I mean again, I think the game matters more
to Indiana than it does to Ohio State. Ohio State
just had their biggest game of the Ohio State fans.
If you asked them, if you go up to them
on side of the street, Hey, would you rather beat
Michigan or win a Big ten title? Beat Michigan? Beat Michigan,
Beat Michigan, Beat Michigan, beat Michigan.

Speaker 3 (01:35:33):
It's one hundred out of one hundred.

Speaker 2 (01:35:34):
Yes, a thousand out.

Speaker 3 (01:35:35):
Of that because you ain't even beat him in all.

Speaker 2 (01:35:38):
That was their game. That was their game, and now
they've got to recharge with Indiana's been thinking about this
game for what since they beat Oregon? Right, I mean
outside of the Penn State game, you haven't really been
tested at all. So I just think it matters more
to Indiana, and I think the rankings sold this last night.
I mean one to two. Still, I think the loser
gets a bye. And again there's not that big of

(01:36:01):
a difference in the one, two, three four buys. And
someone brought up in the text line as well. You know,
for a lot of Indiana fans, this might be the
only time they see them play the rest of the
year in person. You know, if you're gonna map out
a playoff path, I don't know, Mark, you can may
pull up the bracket. I don't know exactly what it
would look like, but you're talking about let's go off
of Notre Dames path from last year. Notre Dames path

(01:36:23):
once they played the home game was what New Orleans?
Where was the Peach Bowl or Orange Bowl in Miami?
And then the conference title or the national title game
was in Atlanta. So New Orleans, Miami, Atlanta. Well, that's
a lot of money to be getting on flights and
going to all those places there. So for Indiana fans, yes,
it's an expensive ticket, clearly for Saturday night, but you

(01:36:44):
also get a sleep in your own bed.

Speaker 8 (01:36:46):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (01:36:47):
For those wondering too, if you were doing other things
last night. They do have the latest college football playoff rankings.
Out the top four seeds teams that would get buys
right now number one Ohio State, number two, Indiana, number three, Jeordian,
number four, Texas Tech. And the question for a lot
of people is does the loser of the Indiana Ohio
State game get knocked out of a first round by

(01:37:09):
I can't see that happening for either team right now,
Kevin Well And.

Speaker 2 (01:37:14):
Who's after them? Mark? I see you got the bracket up.

Speaker 1 (01:37:18):
You've got uh. Oregon is number five.

Speaker 2 (01:37:20):
Yep, Organ's not playing. I you already beat them.

Speaker 3 (01:37:23):
At Alabama nine, Oklahoma eight.

Speaker 2 (01:37:26):
Who's six?

Speaker 3 (01:37:27):
Ole Miss?

Speaker 2 (01:37:27):
Ole Miss? Yeah? An old Miss isn't playing now. I
don't mean I use going to drop behind Oregon, who
they already beat on the road this year. No, I
think I use comfortably. And again, my I already griped
and bitched and moaned, and I'll do it again here
because I think it's healthy for me. Notre Dame lost
two games. When you lose two games and you have

(01:37:48):
the schedule, Notre Dame does this year not one of
the top five schedules in the nation. Uh, you're not
voltproof and your resume is going to get picked apart
as it should. Having said that, for the committee to
say last night that Alabama is jumping Notre Dame because
we were impressed by their seven point win over interim
coach Auburn, when Auburn has won one SEC game this year,

(01:38:09):
that one SEC opponent, Arkansas. Notre Dame went to Arkansas
this year and beat them by forty. What did Notre
Dame do last week? They went to Stanford and they
covered the spread by halftime. So I just thought the
committee was just absolutely idiotic and their rationality bumping Alabama.
I really think the conversation needs to be more about Alabama.

(01:38:33):
I know everyone's turned it into Notre Dame versus Miami.
You want to look at it. Alabama lost to Florida State,
Florida State.

Speaker 1 (01:38:40):
Which is at this point in time, that's almost an
unforgivable loss. Here's the thing. If they lose to Georgia,
there are three losses, and there are people out there
that still think Alabama might find squeeze in at the
very end, and right now, the way the brackets set
up right now, it's very possible that if Indiana stayed
is the number two team, and I would imagine they'd

(01:39:01):
go either to number one if they win this week,
or maybe down to three or four if they lose.
But right now it would be the winner of Notre
Dame Texas A and M.

Speaker 2 (01:39:13):
Yeah, Notre Dame at TEXA and M right now is
a round one bracket and then yes, the winner would
get I need dad mm hm. So if you are
a Notre Dame fan, you are cheering for the Texas
tech Raiders.

Speaker 3 (01:39:25):
Talking to yourself in a mirror right now.

Speaker 1 (01:39:28):
If the if the Ohio State Indiana game is close
and comes right down to the end, do they just
keep both those teams at one and two?

Speaker 2 (01:39:33):
I think they should, Yes, I do.

Speaker 5 (01:39:35):
Location wise, by the way, for quarterfinals, since you asked,
Cotton Bowl is at Cowboys Stadium, Orange Bowl out in Miami,
Dolphins Stadium, rose Ball obviously we know where that is,
and then the Sugar Bowl out in New Orleans, and
the semi finals would be in Glendale, Arizona. The Falcons
Stadium is the Peach Bowl and National Championship back at
Dolphins Stadium.

Speaker 4 (01:39:55):
And that's where you get into this where the Big ten.
There's the Sugar Bowl. By the way, I love New Orleans,
the FL It's amazing.

Speaker 2 (01:40:00):
The Big Ten does not have a lot to play
for from those sites. Mark like last year Notre Dame
played Georgia in the Superdomes. We're kind of used to
the Sugar Bowl being SEC headquarters, right, and then if
you're like Texas or Oklahoma, you want to be in
that Cotton Bowl site. Last year Oregon in the Rose Bowl.
You know, when you're out west. That makes a little

(01:40:20):
sense for the Big Ten. There's not really like Ohio State, Indiana.
I mean, you're getting on a plane to any of
those sites. It's not like there's an overwhelming you know,
obviously from a nostalgia standpoint, it would be the Rose
Bull there.

Speaker 1 (01:40:32):
So yeah, you know what I thought was interesting too
in the name of money talking about rivalry games. It
wasn't a conference game, but Georgia Tech Georgia. It was
supposed to be a home game for Georgia Tech. They
decided to move that game to get more ticket sales
to the Mercedes Dome, and so Georgia was there. Georgia

(01:40:54):
ended up having way more people there, almost became a
home game for them, and it turned out to be
a fairly close game. Makes you wonder Georgia Tech's kind
of one of those teams this year that had they
been playing at home, they're just plucky enough they might
have been able to pull off an upset over Georgie.
I just wonder if that affected the outcome of that
game at all.

Speaker 2 (01:41:10):
Yeah, that didn't make sense to me. I would think
you'd want that on campus.

Speaker 1 (01:41:13):
I would think so too. You're almost just giving up
a home game because you're gonna get just so the
numbers are going to be so much greater for Georgia
in a neutral sight. But anyway, Georgia number three right now,
number four Texas Tech. And we'll see how it all
shakes out with conference championships coming up this weekend. In
the meantime, Mark, let's check it down and tell you
what's happening here in Indianapolis.

Speaker 7 (01:41:33):
The Morning Checkdown on ninety sweet five and one oh
seven five the Fan.

Speaker 1 (01:41:38):
I don't know if you guys have heard, but ESPN
and Ian Rappaport are now reporting that Sauce Cardon will
not go on the injured reserve this year.

Speaker 4 (01:41:45):
James shout out to Kevin Bowen for confirming that on Monday. Look,
I respect the grind of what they do as insiders,
and certainly I'm chasing mat selling certain things all the time.
But every now and then you gotta calls people out.
That is one of the more stupider tweets I've seen
in a while, per Me, And it's not even like

(01:42:07):
per sources.

Speaker 3 (01:42:08):
It's per Me, per Me and another reporter what.

Speaker 1 (01:42:12):
So Well, we know that Sauce Gardner will not be
playing either way this week when the Colts take on
the Jacksonville Jaguars in Jacksonville one o'clock kick on Sunday
afternoon airtime ten o'clock here at ninety three five, one
oh seven five the fan, let's go back to the
broken leg though with Dan and continue to keep playing,
and that it could possibly start getting better as the
season goes along.

Speaker 2 (01:42:32):
Well again, you know, it's just a deep bone bruise.
Is a fleck of a piece of his bone that's
off here. That's where things aren't totally clear, But from
a limitation standpoint, you do clearly have a lack of
outside of the pocket movement, you know, scramble wise, those
numbers have been really down the last two weeks. I

(01:42:54):
think that those are kind of the main areas where
he's impacted. Now, clearly you watch Daniel Jones operate, and
that man through some time throws on Sunday too, So
again I think it's more of the outside of the
pocket movement. But you know, so far, unless I'm missing something,
I don't think his practice reps have been limited. You know,
he's limited last Wednesday, that was a walkthrough, right, so
you know, again he's been out there and participating fully

(01:43:16):
in the actual practice.

Speaker 1 (01:43:17):
You know, sometimes you had the video last week of
him kind of gingerly moving around.

Speaker 2 (01:43:21):
Right, but he's still anticipating. And again, fully, you know,
we do have quarterbacks all around the league almost weekly
miss actual days of practice and still play for those
teams on Sunday. So we'll see if any other lingering
injuries from the Colts, because the only injury from the
game announced was the sauce gardener news and we know
he will miss multiple weeks.

Speaker 1 (01:43:39):
All right, Again, that one comes your way Sunday afternoon,
one o'clock and pregame starts at ten here ninety three
five and one seven five. The fan indiand a Pacers
at home tonight over at the Fieldhouse. They have a
seven o'clock tip against the Denver Nuggets airtime six thirty
here on the fan. Questionable or probable for Nikola Jokic
tonight probable.

Speaker 2 (01:43:59):
Jamal Murray is questionable there without Aaron Gordon and Christian Brown.
So you know, again, on paper, Denver's not in a
great hell stay but hell, you got Joker and US four,
you probably could win.

Speaker 1 (01:44:11):
Uh that again, We'll be here six thirty year time.

Speaker 2 (01:44:14):
Sevenwny points did we score tonight? If we played the
Pacers Joker and US four minute game, no subs.

Speaker 1 (01:44:22):
Free throws for each of US, maybe seven points?

Speaker 2 (01:44:25):
You think we score seven points as a team free
throws as a team with Nicole Yoga and the call
is going to give you at least we have the
joke twenty five.

Speaker 1 (01:44:33):
Oh I'm talking about aside from him, I thought we
would as a team.

Speaker 2 (01:44:37):
This is a Wii, not an eye.

Speaker 1 (01:44:38):
Oh boy.

Speaker 4 (01:44:39):
Yeah, I'm not speaking French here. I'm thinking from myself.
I'm getting at least two buckets, at least two if
I played all forty eight minutes.

Speaker 3 (01:44:47):
Oh, I'm chucking the shoots. It might be two for
twenty five that are over under They made a.

Speaker 1 (01:44:53):
Triple team him.

Speaker 3 (01:44:55):
There you go, I can make an open shot.

Speaker 5 (01:44:56):
I'll play the Draymond greenn Roll all start grabbing him,
twisting things, trying to get some texts.

Speaker 3 (01:45:04):
Mark might not be alive.

Speaker 1 (01:45:06):
Oh man, Mather might score seventy two. We're gonna guard him,
all right. That comes your way later on tonight, last night,
college basketball purdu a winner over Rutgers on the road
eighty one to sixty five. Trey Kaufman Wren nineteen points,
thirteen boards, Braden Smith had sixteen points, and Fletcher Lawyer
contributed twelve. Butler at home in eighty four to sixty

(01:45:29):
eight went over Eastern Michigan. They've won four games in
a row and Finley Bizjack twenty nine points continues to
be on a row. Michael Lajai nineteen points and thirteen rebounds. Mother,
I think is gonna be fun to watch this year, Kevin.

Speaker 2 (01:45:40):
Yeah, they had a really nice non conference you know
again last year they slipped up in a couple of
these games at Ankle they've helped serving these you know,
really good at the Greenbrier a couple weeks back, beating Virginia,
beating South Carolina. They all have Boise stayed at home
on Saturday, and then they'll get Northwestern. We talked earlier
with Dan Goliath from the Indiana Sports Corps and again

(01:46:02):
that Indie Classic this year is Butler, Northwestern, Purdue Auburn,
So you know Butler can get that neutral court win.
That's a very solid non conference resume for Butler, which
I think has really hurt them in recent years and
probably is gonna be needed because the Big East, like
like Marquette stinks. You know, the teams that were kind
of used to in the Big East aren't maybe as

(01:46:22):
good as we're used to. So yeah, nice start to
the year for that. Mona all right, not to day.

Speaker 1 (01:46:26):
I'm a winner over Missouri last night seventy six seventy
one gave them Missouri their first loss of the year.
The Irish undefeated at home so far, Kevin five and
oher Marcus Burton had eighteen points, ten assists. And you
were talking about the outside shooting from Cole Shurta last
night he had fourteen. Come on, baby Indiana State over Eureka.

Speaker 3 (01:46:45):
He's like a little kid. Oh my gosh.

Speaker 2 (01:46:49):
I was so freaking happy.

Speaker 4 (01:46:51):
I'm like, oh, I feel like we're in the zudo
of Max Bowm right now.

Speaker 3 (01:46:57):
On his face?

Speaker 1 (01:46:59):
Boy, have you started checking out flight parts?

Speaker 2 (01:47:01):
Got real excited when you.

Speaker 1 (01:47:03):
Started checking out flights to the National Championship game in
Miami for football?

Speaker 8 (01:47:06):
Yet?

Speaker 2 (01:47:08):
Uh no, no, no, no, no no no. I thought
you were going to say basketball. I'm like, wait a minute,
an't we right here Lucas Ol Stadium?

Speaker 1 (01:47:16):
Later on tonight it will be uh are you Indy
playing against Detroit Mercy on the road and number twenty
two Indiana seven o'clock tip on the road at the
bar and they'll be taking on the Golden Gophers of Minnesota.
The Gophers on a three game losing streak right now
and Indiana has yet to lose. They're playing pretty well,
playing good basketball right now. Anything else you guys want

(01:47:36):
to throw in before we head off?

Speaker 5 (01:47:38):
To throw a baseball nugget out there. The Reds are
seriously interested in bringing hometown boy Kyle Schwarber to the
Reds this season. Kyle Schwarber also interested in a homecoming.
What would that do for you?

Speaker 2 (01:47:52):
That gets the body parts feeling some things?

Speaker 8 (01:47:55):
Here?

Speaker 1 (01:47:55):
Mark that happens been and check in with Tuckers how
you feeling?

Speaker 2 (01:47:58):
But here come the Red Lakes.

Speaker 3 (01:48:00):
Kevin would be all about it.

Speaker 1 (01:48:01):
That'd give us a good excuse to have Tucker bonnehart on,
wouldn't it.

Speaker 2 (01:48:04):
Let's go baby.

Speaker 3 (01:48:05):
I love Kyle Schwarber.

Speaker 5 (01:48:06):
I would hate to see him in the Red's uniform
because he's awesome. But I'm happy if he gets paid.

Speaker 2 (01:48:13):
Yeah, aren't we at like winter meeting time? Isn't that
kind of early December? All that happens there?

Speaker 8 (01:48:18):
M h.

Speaker 5 (01:48:19):
Some guys are getting paid, but there's a collective bargaining
agreement that's going on next year. So some pocket books
getting at little itching and scratchy.

Speaker 1 (01:48:29):
It's scratchy and you're just grabbing things over there. That's
what we've got going on with.

Speaker 5 (01:48:33):
Mark nag It's it's scratchy. You gotta do it all right? Uh,
it's just festering.

Speaker 1 (01:48:39):
Yeah, Ole Miss still goes up to number six in
the latest college football Playoff ranking. And do we know
who's going to be the head coach for them? Now?

Speaker 2 (01:48:46):
Have we have we heard definitively going to be a coordinator? Right,
Pete Golding I believe is his name.

Speaker 1 (01:48:50):
And Charlie Weiss's kid will be allowed to coach the offense, right.

Speaker 2 (01:48:54):
For the playoffs.

Speaker 1 (01:48:54):
Yes, yeah, all right, that's what's happening in the world
of sports. More than we'll take a quick look back,
maybe talk about some of the things that were on
the mind of Rick Carlisle yesterday when we spoke to him,
the head coach of the Indiana Pacers. They get ready
to take on the Nuggets tonight. It's next ninety three
five and one oh seven five the fan, Good morning,
and welcome into a It's still chilly outside, still winter time.

(01:49:15):
I saw some weather experts saying that they expected weather
to come early to Indianapolis this year, So I don't
know if that's going to stick around all winter long
or not. But I'm not a fan of waking up
and going outside at five point thirty six o'clock in
the morning when it's twenty degrees outside, James, not my
favorite thing to do.

Speaker 6 (01:49:33):
Hey man, we do what we have to. But yeah,
the wrong place to live then, I been. We've been
fortunate up up until this year. It's been fairly mild
the last five or six winters. It feels like, doesn't that.

Speaker 5 (01:49:45):
Yeah, I don't mind the snow, it's not too bad
as long and they're shout out to the plows. They're
actually getting the streets clean. That's a nice change of pace.
Let's keep that. Let's keep that energy going into twenty
twenty six when this weather turns. But yeah, that's been
not too bad.

Speaker 1 (01:49:58):
All right, Well, tonight the field house will be nice
and toasty. Is that Nver Nuggets invade the Friendly Confines
over there? We've been talking about it all morning long.
Of course, one of the best players in the league,
Nikola Jokic, is going to be there for the Nuggets,
we think, but a lot of his teammates might be missing.
And who knows. The weird Wednesday night at home against
a traveling team that's banged up. Maybe there's a good

(01:50:20):
shot for the Pacers to do something tonight.

Speaker 2 (01:50:22):
Ab quarter of the way into the season. It's the
best thing about this Pacer.

Speaker 1 (01:50:27):
Season, potentially getting a lottery pick at the end of
the year.

Speaker 5 (01:50:32):
I doesn't saying they had that they have their own
first round pick. Again, I'd say that's the best The.

Speaker 4 (01:50:36):
Game winner Quinn Jackson had against the Warriors way back when.

Speaker 2 (01:50:40):
Over the game owner, you're not allowed to say anything
draft related. What would be your answer, Thank you?

Speaker 3 (01:50:45):
I gave you mine?

Speaker 1 (01:50:46):
Yeah, i'd say to Sika the other.

Speaker 2 (01:50:48):
Night, I'd lean to Siakam, Yeah, it's just kind of disappointing,
Like you can't say, Jarris Walker.

Speaker 3 (01:50:55):
Oh no, I have to choose a moment, right, But.

Speaker 2 (01:50:58):
Like you know, individual players here, sometimes in the back teams,
you still have young talent that showing you some of
it ain't been that. You know, you've asked a lot
out of Benedict Matheren, Andrew Nemhart. Obviously Matherin's been out
or was out for a while there, you know, nem
Hard of course, miss Time. I think they've largely been
you know, fine in their expanded roles. But yeah, Walker

(01:51:20):
is probably the one that would fall into the disappointing category.
Not that you were like expecting to find some center
of the future situation here. I think the centers have
been okay. Yeah, I do think Isaiah Jackson is starting
to get a little bit healthier and maybe just him
in the second unit is a little bit more his
cup of tea. And you know, one thing about Jay
Huff going in the starting lineup, I'm reminded of Pascal

(01:51:41):
Siakam's comments about Miles Turner when he was here and
how he always wanted, was always intrigued by the idea
of playing next to Turner because of Turner's ability to
stretch the floor. That is something Jay Huff brings the table.
You are you're having to close out on Jay Huff
more than you have to close out on Isaiah Jackson
or Tony Bradley. So not to say that Jay Huff

(01:52:01):
is Miles Turner, I want to make sure I'm clear there,
but I do think that aspect of having Huff in
the starting lineup, you would think would be more beneficial
to see them on the offensive end. And you know
Huff defensively, Hell, he leads the league in blocks.

Speaker 3 (01:52:17):
That he does.

Speaker 4 (01:52:18):
And if you're looking for other things to perhaps be
happy about, if you're a Pacers fans going through it,
the Bucks I believe I lost eight of their last
nine and they stink.

Speaker 3 (01:52:29):
So there you go. Grass is not always great. Yes,
they stink right now. They are terrible.

Speaker 1 (01:52:34):
Would you guys, what was your big takeaway one or
two things from conversation with Rick yesterday.

Speaker 3 (01:52:40):
That Roger Godell camp find him.

Speaker 1 (01:52:42):
That was great, That was fun.

Speaker 2 (01:52:44):
Mark you have that audio that was excellent. So for
those that missed it yesterday, Rick Carlisle was, well, I
think he just kind of brought up did you bring
up the Colts organically or I don't know, maybe i'd
mentioned the culture applying He did, And next thing you know,
he was that was quite a screwing his favorite team.
That's how it got started. I asked him what his
favorite team was growing up, and the next thing you know,

(01:53:04):
he talked about how his favorite football team right now
is the Colts, and Mark he had some comments about
the officials.

Speaker 8 (01:53:09):
What a screwing that was. He ain't gonna get me.

Speaker 3 (01:53:13):
I love that Adam.

Speaker 8 (01:53:15):
Adam could get me by that, but Goodell can't. He can't.
He can't get he can't touch me.

Speaker 1 (01:53:21):
Are So wouldn't it be awesome if moving forward, Shane
Steichen can pitch as much as he wants to about
when the Pacers get screwed, and Rick Carlile can just
go off on NFL officials when the Colts get so,
I said.

Speaker 3 (01:53:36):
Treat it like home room.

Speaker 5 (01:53:37):
Carlisle passes his notes to Shane, like I really need
you to rip this guy to shreds, and then Shane
slides it over like okay, you get this official okay,
and they can each go off and they can't get
fined by the other leagues. And I think that's a
genius idea on my part.

Speaker 1 (01:53:50):
This is exactly what this. You should be here for this, James,
that's prox. That's petty by proxy right there.

Speaker 2 (01:53:56):
I love it. There is a better chance I win
the Boston Marathon next year than Shane Styken calls out
NBA official press conference.

Speaker 1 (01:54:07):
It'd still be awesome, though, wouldn't it.

Speaker 4 (01:54:09):
You know what, if they were coming off a win,
I would probably ask him about it, But now it
does not seem like the appropriate time to be joking.

Speaker 3 (01:54:16):
Jacksonville on Sunday. Yeah, I was thinking about it because,
I mean.

Speaker 2 (01:54:19):
Shane ever dropped the joke in a press conference.

Speaker 4 (01:54:23):
I don't know about jokes. He's been friendly at time.
He's giving you a yeah friendly, I'm not. I'm not,
you know, said joke. I like an actual joke.

Speaker 3 (01:54:31):
I'm racking my brain right now. I can't think of it.

Speaker 1 (01:54:33):
Have you ever heard him make an actual joke?

Speaker 2 (01:54:35):
Holiday rankings last week he ranked Thanksgiving one, he ranked
Christmas two, and then he ranked fourth of July three.
He said his wife influenced a little bit of the
fourth of July. I think those are pretty good rankings.

Speaker 1 (01:54:46):
Yeah, I don't think go Christmas one, Thanksgiving two, and
fourth of July three.

Speaker 3 (01:54:51):
I'm trying to think fourth of July is up there
for sure.

Speaker 2 (01:54:54):
Just the weather is so good. I obviously our country,
but yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:54:58):
A pretty big deal.

Speaker 5 (01:54:59):
Yeah, big Arbor Day fan over here over there.

Speaker 3 (01:55:06):
I'm a fan of whatever day I gotta go to
work about. That's true.

Speaker 1 (01:55:10):
This whole heard, this whole story this week about how
Christmas is essentially the way we celebrate and everything now
in modern times is essentially a Coca Cola marketing thing
that came in the early twentieth century, and that like
before that, Easter was the big most celebrated holiday back
and way way back.

Speaker 3 (01:55:28):
Way back.

Speaker 1 (01:55:29):
When was this like in the up until like the
nineteen hundreds, up until like nineteen hundred.

Speaker 3 (01:55:34):
Well, I'll learned something new today.

Speaker 1 (01:55:36):
And that's why I have Redden White cans. And Santa
Claus is essentially kind of an ultimate creation. And the
way we view Santa Claus now, Santa Claus is marketing
from Coca it is.

Speaker 4 (01:55:49):
I was told this, I've been told to say this
on the airways, But Coca.

Speaker 1 (01:55:53):
Cola brought him into the the mainstream.

Speaker 2 (01:55:56):
I had no idea. It was like a documentary.

Speaker 8 (01:55:59):
Check it out.

Speaker 3 (01:55:59):
Coca was that real Coke was once in it. It
was just a polar bears.

Speaker 2 (01:56:03):
I didn't know that Santa was an imagine a purple
and pink Sanna instead of a red light.

Speaker 1 (01:56:07):
In the fact that Coca Cola actually at one point
in time, way back in the day, actually did have
cocaine is part of it.

Speaker 3 (01:56:14):
Yeah, I was. I was not talking.

Speaker 5 (01:56:15):
Yeah, PEPSI like crampis then or something? What are they
bringing the table here?

Speaker 1 (01:56:20):
Great? I don't know.

Speaker 4 (01:56:21):
All I know is uh again, Santa was always pretty
selective growing up.

Speaker 1 (01:56:25):
All right, coming up in a moment, we'll tell you
what we're going to keep our eyeballs and ears on
tonight as we get ready for another busy night of
sports right here in ninety three five and one o
seven to five of the fan. We'll screwing that was
that's what she said. Safe to say the Natives are
restless when it comes to the Indianapolis Colts. We got
a text from Tanner n He says, I know we're

(01:56:45):
joking around, but Shane should never say anything about the NBA. Lol.
He should keep his focus on not continuing to screw
it up getting out coached, and focus on stopping the
avalanche that has started. Mister, I have to be better,
quote unquote. People were a tough crowd. It is a
tough crowd, but they Kevin, the last several years have

(01:57:08):
been nothing. You pointed it out nine to twelve in
the month of December during this non playoffs drought here.

Speaker 4 (01:57:13):
Yeah, I can't blame shame for that, though, I feel
like the twenty twenty two season.

Speaker 2 (01:57:19):
That doesn't include all of shamee No.

Speaker 3 (01:57:20):
I was just gonna let it out there.

Speaker 4 (01:57:21):
Twenty twenty two, the year before he got here, they
were horrendous, and that was with Jeff Saturday when they
ended the year on a seven game losing streak. Twenty
twenty three, you got to within a game one win
of the playoffs with Gardner Minshew as your starting quarterback
for most of that season. I would mark that as
actually a positive for Saints Psychen. Last year, you can

(01:57:43):
look at it and say you should have won some
games you lost, but again, quarterback down Joe Flacko in there,
he did not peel like he has this past year.
Last year with the Colts, so again kind of a wash.
And then this year I do think you're looking at him,
but not only him, but just the entire team. This year,
you have valid excuses that are starting to pile up

(01:58:08):
a bit, because I do think having a quarterback with
a broken leg playing is a valid excuse for maybe
not having your offense where it needs to be. Your
cornerback you traded for, supposed to be all world he's
now out indefinitely the Forest Buckner neck injury. So things
are piling up for you, new kicker, all the above, Yeah,
but you got to be able to finish the season

(01:58:29):
at some point.

Speaker 3 (01:58:30):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:58:31):
Obviously the Jeff Saturday record is part of that. I
guess one year of Frank Reich right twenty twenty one,
if you want to go back to that. But I
can't totally absolve Shane either. The last two years you
have lost to Drew Lock, Taylor Heineke, and Jake Browne
in meaningful, meaningful games by significant, significant margins. It's not
like those games were close either.

Speaker 4 (01:58:51):
So here's my question. Is it Shane's fault that JT
dropped the ball at Denver?

Speaker 8 (01:58:56):
No?

Speaker 2 (01:58:56):
No, no, again, Like I don't think all of it is,
but getting steam roll by Drew Locke, getting team rolls
by Taylor Heineke, getting steam rolled by Jake Browning, you
can't ignore all of it. So I think in general,
it's just a I you the word used, the word massive,
probably too much. I mean, it's it is such a

(01:59:19):
critical month of the season for the twenty twenty five
Colts obviously, and then if you want to, you could
probably make a case it's a huge month or the
future of your franchise.

Speaker 3 (01:59:30):
I get the year a quart about this, I get your.

Speaker 2 (01:59:32):
Little back into the corner based off the two first
round picks. But you know, any time, like let's say
the cult wart to miss the playoffs, anytime a head
coach in today's NFL misses the playoffs in each of
their first three seasons, questions arise. Then if you want
to go over to Chris Ballad. Of course, if you
were to missed the playoffs, that'd be what two playoff
appearances in nine years, no division titles, one playoff win.

Speaker 4 (01:59:54):
You know again, you know I have to like memorized
down to the t I know, I feel like it's
kind of crazy. Sorry, here's my question. We have talked
a lot about the future of Chris Baller, not only
just for this season, but just over the last couple
of years. Is Shane sticking safe from all of that
make the playoff, miss the playoffs? Is he your coach
going forward? Like, I don't want to get to that point.

(02:00:15):
I don't think that. You know, they're eight and four
right now. I don't want to make a team like,
oh my god, he's on the hot seat. But I
do wonder are they still sore viewed as a package deal?

Speaker 2 (02:00:26):
I know, and that's you know, I asked Carlier Say
Gordon that question back at the first press conforce.

Speaker 4 (02:00:30):
I don't know if she truly understood the framing of
the question.

Speaker 2 (02:00:34):
I know, I think, and I don't know if she
thought of it, because you know the prior history of
you know, me being there and covering the team when
Chuck mcdonne and Ryan Gregson were together. She took it
down that path of like, no, I do think people
need to be on the same page right and they
can work together. Coach, I was asking more of you
know again, do you believe the head coach and GM
should come and go together? Hired in the same cycle,

(02:00:56):
not hired in the same cycle, right right, because that's
how I think it should be. But to your question, James,
if you were to give a letter grade for Chris
Ballard's eight years plus and give a letter grade for
Shane Steichen's two years plus, to me, the letter grades
are different, so like Chris bows should be on thinner

(02:01:18):
ice and Shane stikeen. I guess it is like to
put it as dicinctly as possible, But if I were
going to restart the whole thing, it's awkward, man, it
gets Look, Tennessee is no better example of it. They
fired John Robinson their GM, kind of out of the
blue late a few seasons ago. Next thing you know,
you bring in a new GM, and here's Mike Rabel,

(02:01:39):
a very accomplished head coach, i'd argue, a very good
head coach, and at the first sign of a little
bit of slippage, Rabel's gone. And now what are they?
Three gms later and three head coaches later, it's just yeah, meanwhile,
Rabel's what eleven and two exactly? It gets so complicated
so quick. So yeah, I we're not there yet, as

(02:02:01):
you just alluded to, but we could be. We could
be there in a couple of weeks. That's how big
the month of December.

Speaker 1 (02:02:08):
Is, And how much does the narrative change if the
Colts just go down there and get a win against Jacksonville.
Now they're in first place, and they got the head
to head and they're three and one now in the division.
I know they still have a tough schedule coming up,
but does that change the narrative altogether?

Speaker 2 (02:02:23):
Yeah, I mean in the immediacy, obviously, it's huge. You know,
there are still you know, basically a win on Sunday
would put you back on the right side of the
eight ball in terms of AFC South. You still will
need another notable winner two down the stretch. I found
it interesting on Monday. I forget if it was josh
Awens or Mooney Ward. I think it was Mooney James
that said, if we just win our three divisional games

(02:02:44):
were in and they're right, you know, But so I'm
curious if they've heard that message from above, I guess
is why.

Speaker 4 (02:02:54):
I say, yeah, But I also think that his perspective
might be a little bit different because he's been in
the situation before previously with playoff bound teams. He's played
a lot of big games throughout his career, so maybe
he just knows himself personally what it takes to get
over the top. And also maybe he's not carrying the
baggage of we haven't won in Jacksonville forever, like that's
not really his streak. I know you ask me about

(02:03:15):
Daniel Jones, but I do wonder about the other guys.
That's seep into your bones a little bit.

Speaker 2 (02:03:20):
Yeah, and getting at eight and four, you've earned the
right for these games, so kudos to them.

Speaker 1 (02:03:24):
All right, that's gonna wrap it up for us tonight,
Pacers seven o'clock at the Fieldhouse Nuggets. Listen to it
live here. You can watch it on TV on FANDUL.
Have a great day.

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