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Speaker 1 (00:28):
Listening to the podcast, this is episode eight
and we're continuing on with ournew Japan pro wrestling and
[inaudible] 28 coverage.
Last episode we did basicallythe first seven nights and now
we're gonna.
Talk about the rest of the show,the tournament and just kind of

(00:49):
general thoughts and bookingdecisions and all that.
So let me go ahead and bringeveryone in here.
Uh, I'm Johnny Wilkinson forNecronomicon, Massachusetts.
We also have from Choco, Texas,Dynamo Mars.
Hi everybody.
It's me Danimal bonds and fromLong Island New York, the ace of

(01:09):
our hearts, Michael Koopmans.
Hey everybody.
It's just Michael come the ace,the ace we have from Taipei,
Thailand, l Goro.

Speaker 2 (01:23):
Hey everybody.
This is Al Gore and I'm the onlyperson that has the courage to
speak truth to power, to tellyou the lunch or truth.
And here at his night toes, hairlooks like a bad way.

Speaker 1 (01:35):
Oh, he's fucking throwing bombs right away here.
All right.
Finally we have from partsunknown Jakey Pool.

Speaker 2 (01:49):
I'm just trying to get a DDT university.
No, nothing makes sense anymore.
They changed the thing.
It changed the address.
Google chrome translate doesn'twork for some reason.
I'm freaking out.
I don't know what I'm gonna do.

Speaker 1 (02:07):
Do you want to go back and watch all those codes?
Booshy matches, don't you?

Speaker 2 (02:10):
No.
I want to watch tonight'smarching Manji man, that's my
jam.
That's my weekly pro wrestling.
I'm stressing.

Speaker 3 (02:20):
Did they really change the entire site?
Like euros and everything and.
Yeah, it's really weird.
Like normally it was kind oflike a separate website
altogether.
Then their main, a website forthe promotion, but now they're
kind of folding it into theirnormal website and like it's not
simple enough where you can justuse the same login on the new

(02:41):
website.
Like you gotta you gotTa gothrough some rigmarole and I
don't know what to do.
I don't got a coops.
Got To help me out with figuringthis stuff out.
Help him.
He's got to check his email forfor confirmation thema thingy.

Speaker 4 (03:00):
You want me to do this?
Now?
You know which email address islinked at?
The deadites one thrillingpodcasting.
For our listeners, it's relevantpodcast against relevant
podcasts and it's about thecontinued, a discomfort with

(03:21):
navigating Japanese websites towatch her from north Platte, ddt
pro.com.
And you should be a link thatyou can.
There's a link right on top.
You have this click that verifyapplicant's address.

Speaker 1 (03:36):
And Jake, you were the one giving me shit for
fucking bjw core site.

Speaker 4 (03:41):
I, I shut the fuck up.

Speaker 5 (03:45):
That's fuck up.
This is, this is real drama.
This will be

Speaker 1 (03:52):
podcasts if I shut up.
So go ahead you guys.

Speaker 4 (03:54):
It wants me to put my last name and I'm doing that
now.
Last name?

Speaker 5 (04:00):
Yeah

Speaker 1 (04:06):
guys.
We, we literally were not goingto fit this in.
We have so much to talk about.

Speaker 4 (04:12):
Okay.
Yeah, go ahead.
Password.

Speaker 5 (04:15):
Alright.
So we've lost them.
So we'll see.
How about that guy?

Speaker 1 (04:19):
Uh, this guy was, was, was amazing.
Obviously last year was, youknow, was a pretty high
watermark for the gun, but uh,this, this year I think it had,
had a lot of fantastic matches.
I was just looking through and Iknow Mars is doing right now
trying to figure out all his, afour star and higher matches I
believe, but I had a ton of thembetter over four stars from,

(04:41):
from just the tournament alone.
So it was a, it was a fantastictournament and a big surprise
for me as to who won it.
So I'm sure we'll, uh, what doesthat mean?
Mars?
John

Speaker 5 (04:57):
seen a one.
Law Law.
Tonto winds?
No, not at all.
It was certainly a surprisewith, with that when I guess we
can start the conversation fromthe top over the objections of
Jakey on that

Speaker 4 (05:12):
I coop to tell me my entire address and shit.
Okay.

Speaker 5 (05:17):
Makes it mentioned it to the audience, but anybody
listening to this is no.
Jesus, anybody listening to thisat this point hopefully would
have seen the.

Speaker 4 (05:33):
We're just going to come over this.

Speaker 5 (05:36):
We're talking at the same time, but that's hopefully
my voice will come through.
Clear.
Hiroshi Tanahashi is now thethree time winner of the g one.
I'm picking Kudo.
Fuck.
That defeated Kodo Bucci in anactual absolutely barn burner of
a match

Speaker 1 (05:57):
at times like this.
I wish I could.
Could add a different volume foreveryone.
Like I'm spoiled.
I'm spoiled in studio when, whenI have everyone here I could
just control everyone's volume,but

Speaker 6 (06:08):
yes.
One more thing and then I'll bedone with it.
I just, Jake, I just felt likeeverything and click continue
and he said server error.
So I'm just putting my addressand everything.
I said surveyor, so we'll justfigure it out.
We'll figure it out here.
No,

Speaker 1 (06:26):
yeah, that's a great idea.
Figure it out.

Speaker 6 (06:29):
Come on, come on.
Keep us on track.

Speaker 1 (06:33):
I can't give you a drag your fucking runaway.
Train over.

Speaker 6 (06:36):
As I say to Joe every single week.
20 paths.
What Games is supposed to start?
Take control of your table.

Speaker 1 (06:45):
Alright.
Gora was doing such a good jobbefore he was rudely
interrupted.

Speaker 6 (06:49):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (06:52):
What's your address?
Group One.

Speaker 6 (06:55):
One, two, two

Speaker 1 (07:00):
coop.
You should be the one that'sfucking excited.

Speaker 6 (07:04):
You're amazing.
You're a swan.
What do you think?
Think it was great.
I didn't think going into thisthat there was a chance that he
would want it, but I don't know,it's kind of like I made a joke
I think on the last episode or Idon't even remember if we talked
about it, but he was like, thisis like the first you one in a
while that like he's going inwithout an injury and it just
kinda like, it's like amazingthat like now you can like say

(07:26):
that like the reason that hedidn't like get that far in the
last two was because of thoseinjuries that you had all the
nagging injuries.
Like this time he was 100percent and they just fucking
took it.
That's a good story too.
Yeah, it was great.
And like I think it also willtalk about the match with ocado
too, but it was kind of like inhis favor and all worked out
perfectly.
That ocado was like vulnerablein the state and I think that's

(07:48):
the reason that he got the winover him and made it to the
finals.

Speaker 1 (07:51):
Well he didn't get the win over him.

Speaker 6 (07:52):
Well, I mean he got the, he, yeah, he didn't get the
wind but he probably would havejust flat out lost if I kinda
wasn't fucking insane right now.

Speaker 1 (08:02):
So yeah.
So obviously Tanahashi one and Ithink that is a really
interesting point is that he,even when he faced Akata, he
couldn't beat ocado.
Like he still hasn't beat Okadain

Speaker 6 (08:16):
less, less time than the match that we talked about
from a.
What was it?
It was before dominion,wherever.
The one before that was a matchthat they had.
There wasn't a king of prowrestling wasn't things coming
up.
I think it was pretty much likedecisively, like beat Tanahashi.

(08:42):
So like this is.
And that's kind of been thething, like Tanahashi hasn't
been able to beat o'connor in awhile, just so go going into
this like a normal healthy oldcotton normal healthy aging
Tanahashi like you would assumelike cottage, just going to beat
them again and their riskcontrol.
The thing that's always beenlike working for him against
Tanahashi, like it didn't workthis time and they kind of
played into their gun match fromtwo years ago where Tanahashi

(09:05):
hit the high fly flow.
Like this time I guess he kindof kicked out.
Then they rang the bell lasttime they kind of rang the bell
right as Ocado is about to kickout a two, but it was kind of a
callback to like that, thatmatch.

Speaker 5 (09:15):
It was one of the things that I really enjoy about
new Japan is that even when theydecide to rearrange the order as
it were, they still do it withan, with an eye towards things
making sense that thecapabilities of Ocado or not all
of a sudden gone or the skill ofa ton of Haji is and all of a
sudden lifted simply becausehe's the one designated to go

(09:36):
over.
They found a way to make itconsistent with the storyline.
They've been consistentlytelling what these guys will
still giving ton of how she,the, the uh, victory.

Speaker 6 (09:46):
And I mean, these guys impressed.
I was like, this is the 11thtime that they've read and they
just like somehow managed tolike tell a slightly different
story and progress like theirlongterm story every time.
It's like amazing.
I'm kind of kind of worried thatocado is going to get a shot
that briefcase out of this andhe never townhouse.
She never actually beat him.
I mean I'd rather just be jwhite and then townhouse.

(10:06):
She Beats Jay White, but I'd bekind of scared that if anyone is
going to lose the briefcase forthe first time and not lose any
face like with the fans it bebecause she can do anything
wrong.
I'm worried that he might losethe briefcase before.

Speaker 5 (10:19):
What's with the story there seem to be telling with
Okada that even though he quoteunquote lost against a ton of
Haji, or at least last the blockdo to points.
He seems to have at least shook,shaken off some of those demons
to get back to its old form.
Exactly.
Men, when we saw him in the sixmen on the, on the final night,

(10:39):
you know, he was back in theroom with the rainmaker gear,
you know, it's a small detailbut it's still a noticeable one
and they'll, even, his bodylanguage was different, you
know, he wasn't coming out likehe had been that kind of
unhinged a little bit.
Okada, he wouldn't ride outthere and he stroked the brain
maker pose.
So it feels like he's

Speaker 6 (10:58):
back.
Yeah, it's pretty genius islooking at the way that he was
even booked through thetournament.
Like he lost those first twomatches and everyone was like,
what the fuck is going on?
And just like from there youkind of like went on a terror
and like kinda how it, he gothis groove back a little bit but
it just wasn't enough againstTanahashi

Speaker 5 (11:12):
well you needed something like that because you
know, yes, he lost against somega.
But he's still God damn Okada.
He's still the most dominantchampion in the history of this
promotion.
Broken, having broken all therecords and if he was going to
lose this guy, it was going tohave to be because he was
compromised in some way, youknow, you can justify it with a,
with an injury angle.
But I kinda liked the way theydid it with the whole.

(11:34):
He's going slightly insane.
He's lost his step and now he'sgetting it back.

Speaker 7 (11:41):
Yeah.
I almost thought that that was alittle too, like I think they
put a little too fine point onit.
But when all was said and done,I liked it because I remember
when I was walking real sports,uh, win loss records get
streaky, you know, and when youget under, you end up being, you
know, you, it ends up getting,the more you lose, it's the
harder and harder to win.

Speaker 1 (12:00):
You could get in a slump very easily.

Speaker 5 (12:05):
Losing.

Speaker 7 (12:05):
Yeah.
So I felt like that they atfirst were like, man, you
probably don't have to do thisto do the same story that you're
telling.
But by the end I started toappreciate it.

Speaker 5 (12:15):
Well, that's the thing that I like about
wrestling is that it allows forthat kind of storytelling.
Yeah, you can justify it in areal sports context, but to me
it's more compelling to give aninsight into the psychology and
because of the psychology ofwrestling is somewhat
heightened.
The drama is somewhat heightenedwhen you're exploring the
emotional themes, be a bodyslams and swelled dropping

(12:37):
people on their goddamn head.
I forget works.

Speaker 7 (12:40):
Yeah.
I mean, I, I certainly don'thave a problem with uncle Dave
had a really interesting thingthat he said last week.
He said as he forgot to tellcoop that he's been logging in
as him and his wrestlingobserver for the last few weeks
that he, uh, said that one thingthat he found interesting and
it's things like at thebeginning of the tournament and,

(13:01):
and, and you know, later on whenocado eventually ended up out of
it was that kind of definitelyon the honest promo, the whole
basis of his, his wrestlekingdom promo was that he was
coming back and headline in itnext year and selling it out.
So that might've just been trashtalking hyperbole, but like you
almost can't leave anything onthe table with ghetto at this
point.
Like I like everything seems tomean something and it's to the

(13:24):
point where you like are lookingand waiting for it and in
certain people like latch ontocertain things even if it maybe
doesn't matter.

Speaker 1 (13:35):
Yeah, no I definitely agree with that.
And it's just looking at this.
I mean it kind of taking it,looking at it in a vacuum
outside of other[inaudible] likethe way this one was booked, I,
I just, I loved it now grantedthere was, there was some stuff
that we didn't that we didn'tlike we talked about that in the
last episode with stuff with theBCO G andj white, you know, and

(13:58):
it didn't really, it pretty muchcontinued throughout the
tournament.
So it did tend to get a bit oldafter awhile.
But other than that, like I lovethese little storylines that the
characters get heading into the[inaudible] that kind of take
them through and, and it is likeany narrative where there's a
point a to point b, like look atWorld Kata was and look at
Tanahashi and look atj white andyou know, look at Ge and, and

(14:21):
you know, like all these guyshad a mate or hey man page, I
don't know that everyone to you,like they had these great
narratives that just went overthe course of these 19 days and
it's such a little microcosm,but it speaks volumes about how,
how fucking amazing new Japan

Speaker 5 (14:38):
juices hand thread and every week until I get it,
it's like an excuse for someoneto like lose a few matches too,
right?
Oh sure.
You look at the people that areat the bottom, you don't really,

Speaker 4 (14:52):
aside from like Tama Tonga, like shit like that.
Like you don't like, you don'tthink negative of them because
there is like in the back ofyour mind some excuse, like why
they lost

Speaker 7 (15:02):
my two favorite things I think coming out of
this was how they managed to sosmartly book Zack Sabre in the
sense where like he took a bunchof losses but he who he beat,
he's in the same like I think isI think a stock is exactly.
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (15:22):
Thing was crazy.
MEDSEC too.
Is that like he was eliminatedlike a week or so ago, a while
ago.
But he ended up tied for firstwith NATO Okada.
Like he ended up with fourpoints.
Like he, he, he was mega, yeah,he was eliminated like a while
ago, but he still ended up withthe 12 points because he just
like went on a terror after helost that match.

(15:43):
That eliminated them.

Speaker 5 (15:44):
Yeah.
I mean he really didn't lose awhole hell of a lot, so just
lost the important ones.
That's a good way to establishhim of where they necessarily
want him.
I mean, they have them prettywell positioned now to, uh, go
after juice in the US title,which isn't, which is I think is
a good spot for him.
I feel kind of bad for Jewsbecause I don't know, I don't

(16:06):
know how that one's going to goand he's so young into his run
on this that I, I, I, I'm justjuicing them or I want to see
you succeed.

Speaker 7 (16:14):
You know, I was really confident that they were
going to use this to have himrun through all the people that
beat him.
Right.
And like, like make him strongerthan before.
Because what's attractive aboutjuice?
His juicy juice, yes.
I feel like is best in that,like in like that dusty Rhodes

(16:36):
role of chasing the title moreso than having the title.
So I think like this, if theyhad booked it in that way and
maybe they still are, they hadhim have the title, but he's
still gonna look like anunderdog going into all those
matches.
But then the challenge thathappened, uh, in the tag match
this night made me wonder ifthey were just going to nip it
in the bud.

Speaker 5 (16:57):
Oh No.
It's hard to say.
I mean, the fact that cody, hepositioned himself, you know, at
the top of the top of the line,just out of nowhere.
That's a, that's a weird one.
I mean, it may be entirelypossible that they're setting up
a threeway, which, you know, ifthey're going to be doing it in
Long Beach, right.
Um, it's a potential.
I'd rather not see that, butweirdest three weeks

Speaker 4 (17:19):
could ever imagine cody and Zack Saber Jr.
Like, I can't even fathom whatthe fuck that match with look
like.

Speaker 5 (17:27):
WeLl, you have a shit.
He'll a sadist and a and agenuinely nice guy.
So the dynamics are reallyweird.
It's funny you say that.

Speaker 7 (17:34):
A prince va me zack,

Speaker 4 (17:41):
a lot of leg locks and liberal arts and that was
the coolest thing with a zachwas that they set

Speaker 3 (17:50):
up the, the zach drIver like the very first
night, second night, somewhereon the, on the undercard, on the
undercard everyone.
And um, and then it didn't playinto anything at all until all
of a sudden he got the shockvictory overnight.
So which was just like, that'sa, that's a pretty amazing way

(18:10):
to cap that thing off becausenot everything has to be on like
a steady curve or a three xstructure or whatever the fuck
when you tell them the story ofa, of a particular wrestler and
a tournament that's enough.
And the fact that he had thisamazing new Japan cup run and
the fact that he ended up tying,getting some really quality wins

(18:32):
along the way throughout thetournament and cleaning, beating
a couple champions to sethimself up with some title shots
later.
Like they're doing like really,really good things with them.
Like that's like reallyinteresting.

Speaker 6 (18:45):
That's kinda like what my point was earlier.
We're like going into thetournament knowing that he just
wanted the new Japan cup andthen he just signed that
contract.
Like I always positive he wasgoing to like beat omega and get
that title shot.
And that'll be like proof thatnew Japan is pushing him.
But like we got halfway throughthe title, he's eliminated, he
lost to omega and I was like, ohman, like I was wrong.
I guess they're not really likehe's just going to end like

(19:08):
middle of the road or Whatever.
And then like after he won thatmatch I was like, oh he just
like knocked out night though,who like a lot of people thought
was going to win the entire gone and he like successfully
like debuted this new move andnow he's tied with night that
will make it into booshy likepush, like he comes out of this
tournament looking like waybetter than he did going in.
Even after winning the, the newJapan and Japan and beating

(19:31):
okada like in rev pro also.

Speaker 7 (19:33):
And I also like I feel like like booking wise,
like it's very, very well knownthat like a lot of people give
credit for knowing obviouslyjapanese wrestling and old
american wrestling.
But I've Heard a lot of peoplesay that like he just kinda
understand sports and that's whyhe kinda flummoxes a lot of like

(19:56):
wrestling fans and his booking.
But like, I feel like with thatzack sabre thing, like that dude
could, could write a fuckingbestselling novel now because
the, you know, you talk aboutwriting and the traditional like
of chekhov's gun and stuff likethat.
You would have thought thatsabre and that in wrestling uses
that more than anything beanyone think because any other

(20:17):
kinds of art.
Because normally if somebody hasa new move they're going to beat
them on the ra, the use it onthe raw, the paper before.
But I had fucking forgot aboutthat thing until he hoisted him
up for it.
When he lifted him up it waslike, you knew like fuck, like
he hasn't used this is fuckingit.
Like it just felt like it.
Like I, you know, like I reallylike, it really fucking blew me

(20:40):
over the next level.
Shit.

Speaker 6 (20:43):
Yeah.
That was one of those masterswhere I was on my feet like half
the time.
And like I up, like when he

Speaker 4 (20:48):
got him up for that, uh, zach triburg as he calls it,
I fucking love that match somuch.
It's not like, it's definitelynot like up there top five in
terms of star ratings oranything, but it is like one of
my favorite matches from thistournament that I'll always
remember is just so fucking likeand just like zach's like
emotion too.
Like he was going to be likecreate like the way that he

(21:08):
overreacted.
He was pissed.
Like whenever he would like losematches, he was just like
ecstatic over the moon, likescreaming and hugging taco.
LIke once he did it because hisgoal was to just like fuck
overnight though, win thismatch.

Speaker 2 (21:19):
Yeah, go ahead.

Speaker 1 (21:23):
I thought that was definitely one of my favorite
matches of the entire, theentire tournament.
And I, I, you know, I know, Iknow that we could probably
start a little argument herebecause I know goro isn't the
biggest zack saber jr fan, buthe came off as one of the, one
of the all stars for me becausehe looked at andy and coming
into the tournament, you know,coming into this year, I thought

(21:44):
he was one of the greatestwrestlers in the world as it is.
But now he's also becoming oneof the smoothest wrestlers I've
ever seen.
Like the way he transitionsinto, into his, into his holt is
unbelievable in the reversals.
Like he comes up with somethingnew.
Every mAtch it seems.
It's

Speaker 4 (22:01):
I'm days.
What is it?
That movie did against juice?
Something?
Yeah, that move is fuckingdisgusting.
And the way you sold that to.
It's like so good.

Speaker 2 (22:14):
Like, like, like almost torn in half if he could
blow themselves

Speaker 4 (22:23):
just like the way he was like shaking his head.
No, no, no, no.
I was just like, oh, this is aPerfect way to finish, but
they're not going to finish it.
And like eventually he was justlike, yeah, I can't get out of
this and I will readily admitit.
Zach put on a great tournamenton this one.
I mean, again, I've, I've neverdisputed his actual skills.

(22:44):
It's just how so many of hismatches come together that I
find myself unsatisfied, but Ihave no complaints about the
majority of his matches.
Why do you think it's nothingabout hating vegans?
It's y'all who hate hate.
Let me, let me ask you, becauseyou're not a vegan.

Speaker 2 (23:03):
I'm not.
Fuck.
He did just have a seven layerburrito.
The echo again to you.

Speaker 4 (23:19):
Yeah.
Which I want to talk about nato,the to his tournament, but like
booking wise story wise, like itwas pretty interesting for
nighttime, especially with allthe hype going in that lot of
people thought he was going tobe winning it.

Speaker 2 (23:30):
Yeah.
Do you think they're saving him?
Like, do you think it was justlike, uh, like uh, they did
enough to not maybe piss off butI feel like he's, he's heading
towards jericho.

Speaker 4 (23:41):
Yeah.
Well I guess like overall, likelongterm bucking because this
kind of like

Speaker 6 (23:46):
um, it's not on as grand of a scale but it's kind
of is like night tokata fromwrestle kingdom, like part two
where like a lot, a lot ofpeople online I've seen are like
really upset about this fenceand this, this isn't, this isn't
an original thought.
Like this is something that Iread and I kind of agree with
that too.
And I see it.
It seems like there they arestill the way that he did the

(24:06):
running destino hits Zebra saberjr and instead of going for the
pin, he picked them up andlooked at the crowd and tried to
go for a second one and that'show he got screwed and lost and
a lot of people are comparingthat to the way that he lost the
whole story behind the matchwith ocado where he had the
match one and then start playingup to the crowd and that's what
did it.
So it seems like the thing thatthey're going to is that like

(24:29):
nighttime was never going to winthe big match and get to the big
spot while he's in this.
Like I don't give a fuck.
And gilbert novelized kindathing.
So when people are saying that,did my transition out of that
and once he acknowledges that hedoes care about the fans and he
wants to be accepted by thecrowd, like that's when he's
going to actually win the titleand get his thoughts.

Speaker 5 (24:49):
That's the thing.
Said this way.
I thought that sonata was goingto have his number in their
match.
Is that what the big failures ofnih towe have been when he's
allowed himself to lose hiscool.
When he goes for that extrasean's, when he goes for those
things and against somebody likesonata who have been in the past
is the true embodiment offrankie low and really seems to

(25:10):
embody the times, the kind ofattitude and I told has when
he's at his most successful, thefact that he was able to beat
sonata onto that.
It's, it was interesting to me

Speaker 7 (25:19):
if they do this right and I hadn't thought of this
till right now.
So it's a really interestingpoint and they turn him into a
traditional babyface.
Like, I mean he had the best ofboth worlds right now.
Like he's been getting booedalmost as much like you get your
kid, but he's good enough thathe can turn some crowds on him

(25:40):
by doing stuff that, you know,either regionally or university.

Speaker 6 (25:46):
He knows what to do, where to do it.

Speaker 7 (25:48):
If he fucking turns into like a full out baby face,
like the.
I mean, true traditionalwrestling trajectory is, you
know, you turn, if you look atthe best ones, piper may be
being the best example of thissavage, like the best time to
turn a a heel babyface is whathe's white hot and like he's
been white hot for so long andthen you're going to have the

(26:09):
added thing, and I love this aboston red sox comparison that
Kevin Kelly used, like, youknow, if he finally does get the
big one in conjunction withthat, he'll be, he'll, he'll
blow everybody else away as faras its popularity.

Speaker 6 (26:30):
Dude.
Upm progress.

Speaker 7 (26:31):
I don't think so.
You won't marry a professionaltennis player.
But yeah.
Can we talk for a second aboutthe best story and this whole go
for it.
The most subtle push in myopinion, in the history of
wrestling.

(26:51):
No, no, no, no, no.
I have the, I do have a yannoconfessional.
Uh, how can you have a losingrecord and get maybe the biggest
push in the history of thecompany, be all the champions
and have those be the only winsthat you get.
Like, that's fucking amaZing.

Speaker 8 (27:12):
He went, so he went with three and six or I'm sorry,
a three m yeah, that's right.
Three and six.
And his three winds were againstthe champs,

Speaker 7 (27:22):
which was shocking to me.

Speaker 5 (27:24):
Yeah.
Yeah.
You ended with five points.
10 points.

Speaker 7 (27:28):
Uh huh.

Speaker 5 (27:30):
Goto omega juice sonata and jano and beat sonata.

Speaker 7 (27:43):
Right.
you know, and I think thistournament showed a lot of my, a
lot like I, like I don't thinksonata was on all the time in
this tournament and it's amazingbecause even through that he
still had a bunch of stylematches in my opinion, but
sometimes it just seemed like hewasn't putting it together and I
can't explain it, but I think asfar as you know, so I mean, but

(28:08):
at the same time to kind of likea pep up jesse's point, I guess
he was a wealthiest point eventhough it math wasn't 100
percent right.
Like the sonata obviously is apretty, like those two I think
are on pretty equal ground, atleast right now.
Uh, with maybe the edge going tosonata because he's in a, like
a, a red, a red hot faction, um,but in yanno beating it was

(28:32):
beating ya know, even even whenhe has a really fun tournament
like this one.
But like that's important.
Like, I mean, I think he wouldhave, I think if the
intercontinental title wasn'tbeing used as a prop right now
and it was on somebody for real,like I think they would have had
them beat them to it if it couldmaybe last, ya know, or sonata.

(28:53):
But I think that that's likeamaZing.
Like he can challenge for anytitle he wants now.
And went right for the worldtitle.
Everybody was fucking elated.
The internet was fucking elated.
I don't think nobody thinks he'sgoing to win.
But the fact that he's finallyin that spot that everybody
thinks he is.

Speaker 5 (29:08):
What if, what if he wins the world title and then
ocado winston briefcase fromtanahashi and we finally get
that.
Uh, she gotta match kingdom.
Yeah, that's the thing though.
I don't necessarily see.
Then it's a, I forget which,which, uh, youtube will former,
the youtube channel polled didthe video essay about esg, but

(29:30):
describe buckle, right?
Yeah.
I think it was either shobokoreal knee perot, perot a purell.
The role for esg is as theviable challenger to the, so the
guy that they can slot in andpretty much any place.
He's not necessarily the guy whowins belts, but he's the guy
that always puts on a can alwaysbe a realistic challenger to the

(29:53):
belts.
He's the gatekeeper exactly asthey called him when we were
talking to him and when we weretalking about zack saber jr.
If they don't pull the triggerand put the us title on him, I
can realistically see him, uh,being in that similar role much
as fall a was before they'redoing whatever the fuck they're
doing with followed these days.
But somebody who can be agatekeeper or at least provide a

(30:15):
realistic challenge to thechampion just as he did against
sohcahtoa in his match.

Speaker 9 (30:23):
It's all, some next level shit.
Like you just can't talk aboutmost wrestling like this, right?
That it could be this and itcould be that like it, unless,
unless in context of theirbooking is so asinine that like,
you know,

Speaker 5 (30:38):
well it's where it becomes so obvious where you
have people that are in theirspots and they don't go up, they
don't go down and they say 50slash 50 new Japan seems to
have, you know, people that arein certain roles but they just
do it better.

Speaker 9 (30:52):
Yeah, I mean I, I think that to that point I'll
go.
I think that if sonata, forinstance, be anyone on that
upper echelon, I don't thinkanybody would be shocked to the
point of like that they feltlike somebody jumped a bunch of
spots and I think that's the keyin it.
You know,

Speaker 5 (31:11):
I mean hell, even when it was finally sort of
watching the undercard matchesand I was seeing people that
weren't part of the tournament.
Pop back.
yeah.
There you go.
Well, on the final day I'vewatched the undercard, so I
watched all of the final of gone and it just reminded me of,
you know, it was like, wow, Imiss these guys.
You know, it's good to see themAnd it kind of brought up the

(31:31):
thought that you can pretty muchmove a lot of these guys around,
up in town, put them indifferent spots and while they
may not necessarily be the guyto hold the belt, they at least
can be called upon to deliver apretty god damn good match
unless they're yoshi, yoshi,[inaudible] fuck that guy.
And with the exception, so the,

Speaker 8 (31:54):
the field of 20 with, with like only a couple of
exceptions.
I could see any of these guysbeing iwg p, heavyweight champ,
you know, and, and I thinkthat's just a testament to new
Japan strong booking and youknow, like I don't see tama
Tonga ever winning it, you know,I don't see jano ever winning
it, but almost anyone else in inb block I could see winning.

(32:17):
I for sure and looking at abook, obviously we have some
more kind of green guys like a,like page and jay white.
But, but even still like I couldsee almost any of these guys
winning, you know, aside fromyoshi hayashi and hangman page,
probably winning the heavyweighttitle.

Speaker 9 (32:34):
But now here's an interesting question for you.
Uh, and this was something thatgot brought up on a, I think it
was superj cast and I'm kind ofembellishing it a little bit.
This question was very easy whenwe found out about the brackets
and we're in the chat and whenwe even started the lake when we
did the first show, right?

(32:55):
Think about who wasn't in thistournament and probably could
have been in this tournament andtake out who tai-chi will tie to
you.

Speaker 4 (33:05):
She should have been.
Beretta was hurt

Speaker 9 (33:07):
at the beginning I guess.

Speaker 4 (33:09):
Yeah.
So readily agree.
Swap out yoshi.
Super touchy.
But I don't know who I'd want toswap out in the tournament for a
beretta.
Well, I mean it wouldn't makesense of the storylines and shit
but like tatango and they canboth suck.

Speaker 9 (33:26):
But I mean like, like as far as like kind of the
pecking order and how like, youknow, keeping things like
maintain, like there were someother people that could have
been in this that, that weren't.
And um, I mean doubtful, butmaybe cody is hanging around
more so maybe he would want tobe in it next year, which I will

(33:50):
give him.
I liked him in real life, soI'll give them the opportunity
to change my mind, but Iwouldn't be very excited about
that at face value.
But like everything is prettylocked up now, which I didn't
know is evil.
Right?
Oh, sorry.
Which I didn't think it waS atthe beginning of the year.
Like I wouldn't be surprisedthere's a couple of junior

(34:11):
heavyweights that I could seemoving up this year.
Um, you know, like, well maybeoff spray maybe because she
didn't.
Those are the ones that we'vetalked about.
But like, uh, I have this weirdfeeling with like everything
that would be going on if hegets a bit of a reinvention.
Uh, maybe a desperado like, youknow, there's just a lot of

(34:32):
possibilities of how the fieldcould be different in the same.
Um, I mean if they, I don't knowif they are, if that was just a
one off, if they brought them inagain to just have them fight
for the never open weight title.
But uh, uh, oh, his name'sescaping me and I really liked
him.
The uh, um, the tour of theislands guy.

(34:52):
I'm Jeff Cobb, you know, sothere, there's some stuff that,
you know, but I would haveswitched out a ton of people at
the start of this tournament andwith the exception of the
tongans, which I, uh, which Iunderstand why they were there
even though I didn't like if astory reason, like I don't think

(35:12):
that there's really anybody Iwould have switched out in this
one, especially since whathappened on the last night.
I guess we can talk about wherenot only did tied chee a pin,
yoshi has, he beat the shit outof him a little bit.
Like it's kind of like showingthat like he didn't deserve that
spot.
And like now, like now above andbeyond the tournament, like

(35:34):
yoshi, how she can't go back tobusiness as usual.
It will be middling.
Like he's gonna have to earn hiskeep now he's going to have to
earn a spot.
So

Speaker 6 (35:42):
yeah, but like at the same time, if you just look at
the gum line ups like year afteryear, like they don't really
just like, it sounds like youget relegated out or whatever
the soccer tournament is like,it's, it's kinda like you're
just in it.
And like once you establish thatyou're a member, like you're
always in it until you leave thecompany.
Or like you get to be likeNevada where like you're, you

(36:04):
have one funnel show like kindof thing.
Like michael bay is always goingto be in there.
Like kadima might be backproblem to have.
It's like a hockey team havinglike two amazing goaltender for.
Are you going to put.
I mean it's, it's not as easy aslike, well you'll see how she
stinks.
Let's take him out.

(36:24):
Like yoshi haas.
You'll probably be in it againnext year and there'll be people
that deserve to be in it, thathave never been in it, that
aren't going to be in it becauseyoshi hockey's.
I have no idea.
It makes me wonder though if youwant to maintain that look, it
makes me wonder though if youwant to maintain that legacy
then you take the people fromthe various blocks with the
highest points and then put themas a law for next year and then
the people that didn't reach acertain threshold then we got

(36:46):
like six points that they'd haveto fight for their spot.
I agree, but that's just notreally sure.
Like it's.
So it's like once you're in theguy and you're made, you're in
the gun.
sure.

Speaker 9 (36:56):
One thing that they're really, I think new
Japan might could be criticizedfor being bad at.
Especially with like an americanexpansion where people don't
know, like don't take as muchstuff for granted I guess.
Like they don't do a very goodjob of monetizing the divisions
and stuff like that.
Like, you know, especially likethe dumbest one in the easiest
one is they have a bunch ofuseless six minute matches that

(37:18):
are useless.
Six men matches.
Like you could easily say thatthey're, you know, they're and
then never opened, weighed sixmen division, you know, like
just make him seem some sort ofimplication that they mean
something.
Uh, you know, and you know,there's not a lot of singles
matches though.
There seems to be more lately.
Um, you know, one or two everycouple of shows anyway that are

(37:42):
at the main event or a titlematch.
But uh, you know, like make itjust kind of for, it's something
you could have like a, just anarbitrary cut sheet of fight
somebody on a show and have itbe, you know, a open way like a
or a junior, you know, like, uh,to, to, to get up, you know,

(38:03):
because I'm not really, I don'twant it to go away, but I'm not
as invested in the traditional.
Somebody coming out and sayingthat I'm going to be the
champion.
I want to fight for the titlething.
Like it just like

Speaker 6 (38:16):
I agree, but at the same time like I the biggest, I
enjoyed this guy, like from thething that I love about the gun
and what I watched him, the g islike night after night match
after match like amazing matchesand like last year it was like
the height of that.
Like I didn't, I wanted to goand like compare the amount of
four plus star matches I hadlast year compared to this.
So I feel like it was likedouble last year.

(38:37):
You seem like every other nightlike I was like holy shit, like
half of this card is amazing andthis year it was, it was way
more top heavy.
Like I had a lot of like tostart a three star things and
then a decent amount of likefour and a half enough.
So it was very top heavy.
But I think the reason for thatis because of how like fucking
storyline heavy it was.
And I kinda didn't like that.

(38:57):
If you had jay white low blowand everyone like behind the
rest back he had the tonganslike fucking everything up.
And not caring, you had like,fuck, I'm like, howard had
Harold May becoming like anonscreen like gm character,
which I really hope that theydon't pursue because that's
really fucking stupid.
They don't to it yet.
But he's out there makingdecisions and like stipulations.

(39:18):
There was just one show duringthe tournament though.
I know, but.
But it seems like it.
I dunno, I just don't.
Yeah, like I don't want him tobe like an onscreen authority
character.
Like they don't need that.
No one's doing that shit.
And yeah, they don't need, Idon't know.
I hope j white matures from thisand doesn't like keep doing
this.
I hope this was just a onetimetime thing.

(39:38):
I just, I really like all this.
Like for as much as we talkedabout, we enjoyed like juices
hands and like that little, likemany storylines per character
like that.
Like I didn't like the bigoverall arching story lines that
like they told, which were very,very western wrestling
influenced.

Speaker 5 (39:55):
I will say though, I called it, they were setting up
the tongans to when the, uh,number six, the three men, it
was a really fucking elaborateset up to matches every other
night on that shit.
I know.
I don't know why that was theroute they took and it was even
straight so that a folly wasn'tinvolved in that.

(40:16):
But, you know, I guess the godissue maury there.
So

Speaker 6 (40:20):
I always hold my love of my love, of kind of how she
like overpowers anything I don'tlike about this guy.
But like one of my biggesttakeaways is like how much I did
not like the riff bumps andshenanigans all keep that stuff
out of the gun.

Speaker 5 (40:36):
I said it before and uh, I, I guess I can elaborate
on it now.
This tournament featured thefirst new Japan match that I've
ever watched and graded.
Not graded.
I haven't been grading that verylong, but it is the first one
that delivered a one star matchfor me because it was the
perfect confluence of the thingsthat I hated about the

(40:58):
[inaudible] yoshi.
She's performance and a tonganfuckery.
The match against bad luck.
Folly.
I gave that a one star.
I need you.
I need you to go onto new Japanworld gorrow and in the search
bar type in luke allen's[inaudible] am.
I said, well, I didn't want toget something.
you'll get someone startedmatches out of that for sure

(41:19):
because.
But jesus christ, I mean at onepoint a yoshi haas, you've
delivered something that the.
They called as a super kick, butit basically looked like what
would happen when a three yearold would try to flail out with
his leg and it's like,

Speaker 3 (41:33):
jesus, god, what?
You're, you're supposed to beprofessional wrestler.
Come here.
And his eyes couldn't see whathe's doing.
Jake, are you there?
Jake?
So

Speaker 2 (41:45):
what, what did you, what did you think about the,
all the shenanigans instorylines and everything going
on.
I'm pretty much like there's areason why I wasn't talking
because I'm just kind of nodding

Speaker 3 (41:57):
my head along with everything.
It's not like a pressingconcern, but it is like an
overall worry.
When a new guy comes into town,the president and within like a
month span, we're doing thissilly stuff with the tongans
where he's out there front andcenter, you know, being the one

(42:18):
shooing them off and like it andit's all like, like that's one
of the things about it is thatthe tongans interfered with
everybody, like they did havelike kind of specified targets,
but they are fucked up everymatch that they are involved in.
So ostensibly they're pissingoff everybody, but there's no

(42:38):
real like kind of inclinationthat it's really going anywhere.
Even this whole thing aboutdon't interfere.
I'll see her, you know,suspended until november or
whatever.
Like it seemed like that's whatwas happening on the second
night of the buddha con.
But then they're just back thenext night.
Shuffled.

(42:59):
Yeah, getting title shot.
What's is that they're not doinganything that gallows and those
guys didn't do really at the endof the day.
But there's no fucking chancethat these guys are going to get
over and get baby face like, soit just doesn't.
I, I agree with you.
I just don't see the end game.
Yeah, I mean that's, that,that's kind of a thing, like

(43:20):
it's not the first time newjapan's done this stuff, you
know, the debit club shit, itwas just rife with interference
and whatnot, but it's more justthe inclusion of a hairy maize
or however you want to refer tothem getting involved in it.
It's just like, it's, it's,it's, you're getting whiffs

(43:42):
you're getting very, very badwhiffs of something that might
be coming down the line, youknow, like we're getting j dot
[inaudible] doing the same thingevery night, which didn't really
add anything.
It just mAde him more tiresome.
And you're getting the samething both nights, sometimes
more than once in one nightdepending on the storyline with

(44:03):
these guys.
And then you've got, you know,chris jericho basically
hijacking the intercontinentaltitle, you know, it's all like
very uneasy to watch unfold.
Um,

Speaker 2 (44:17):
yeah, I agree.
I agree.
cat robots do a looking at me,sorry already to sound the
alarms or anything like that.
It is like,

Speaker 3 (44:32):
it is concerning and it's not something that I'm
particularly like stoked about,more like scared than anything
else.
Now I don't like to feel scaredwatching a fucking promotion.
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (44:44):
And even like, even though she felt like people are
into with like tama Tonga doingall the controversial shit on
twitter and everything and thenlike, but then he goes out there
and he's like choking a fan andlike literary and stuff.
And you wonder how much of thatstuff.

Speaker 3 (44:56):
Even just like, yeah,

Speaker 6 (45:01):
I didn't see him turn around where he was standing
outside, like the tokyo dome,like littering a bunch.
I got a lot of people, a lot ofpeople got like a really,
really, really upset.
Well I think, I think, I thinkin Japan and that, that

Speaker 3 (45:17):
certain area, it's like a huge, like crime to
litter.
What we should've done.
This should've done a montageof, well they should've done a
montage of him on a, uh, on atrain talking state that uconn
does not like littering.
Don't like balloons.
Balloons.
Yeah.
We're taka overall, like withthe tournament.
It's funny like in terms oflike, hi, hi, like tippity top

(45:40):
level matches.
I didn't feel like it was thatdifferent than last year in
terms of a sum total of likespectacular matches.
It did, it was missing a greatsort of mid ground in the, a
block b block, still had it.
But a group, a blog was like, Idon't know, maybe had like two,
maybe three great matches.

(46:02):
Maybe even that's generous.
Um, so it's hard to walk awayfrom the whole experience.
Like being like, oh, that was asheet tournament or oh, that was
a poor tournament because theend of the day, like there's a
lot that I'll look back on a lotthat I enjoy it.
But the thing is is that it'salmost everything was self

(46:22):
inflicted so to speak.
Maybe the makeup of the blocks,you know, it's hard to tell.
Like I'm sure if we like, youknow, pulled out a big
conspiracy board and startedconnecting lines and shit.
We probably understand likemaybe that's why b block stack
because they're protecting guysand protecting matchups and
setting up things down the line.

(46:43):
And that's just how it shook outthis year compared to last year
and they didn't want stalematches, steel block, some blah
blah blah.
But all the other things, likeit wasn't like somebody just
came out and laid in a becausethey got injured or anything
else.
It's just everything that peopledidn't like about it.
They willingly brought uponthemselves and like you look at

(47:06):
how the tongans, how the firingsquad fared from night one
tonight.
16 and how they got no response95 percent of the time.
I mean that's, you fucked uplike.
And I don't think it was a, youknow, not, not to try to sound

(47:27):
like I am, not to use too

Speaker 7 (47:30):
much like iconography, but like I don't
think that it was like avocabulary rather that it was
like good heat.
You know?
I think when people were upset,I think they were really fucking
felt like they hated that stuffboth nights.
They wanted them fucking god.

(47:51):
I don't know.
It's only gonna get worse ifthey stay the course.
I have a question in a, in athought, eh, do you think that.
And I'm not making fun, but Ifelt that the a block had a
little too much american indieinfluence in it where, you know,
in, in b block it was reallyonly like jews who wasn't like

(48:13):
a, you know, who, who didn't,wasn't like a very new Japan
type or modern new Japan typeguy.
But is it possible that it asfar as protecting went that a
tiny couldn't, couldn't do allthose be blocked matches over
the course of, you know what Imean, couldn't do, you know,

(48:34):
kenny omega and egg and he'sblock.
He's always been in.
But I mean you could have builtit around them any way that you
wanted to, you know.
But like how many times could hehonestly, and he's not 100 years
old, he's not ric flair oranything, but like how many
times could he get kneed in theface dropped on his head, you
know,

Speaker 8 (48:52):
the guys do it.
I think it's just the fact thatthat's the best way for him to
come out as a winter was to bein this block.
You know, whatever.

Speaker 6 (49:01):
Those were all easy matches that he had, except for
the last one.
I think you're selling tanahashia little bit short, tall,

Speaker 7 (49:08):
sweet.

Speaker 6 (49:09):
I think you can still have an like an amazing match
with like we saw like a bougieeven though that was a dangerous
one, but he could have a safemeasure where the bougie safe
masters eeg a safe match withomega and they're all amazing
like that ocado match like youwatch that match and it's
amazing and it's a masterpieceJust to like all 10 are there
other matches are.
But like you're never like,aside from tanahashi jumping off

(49:32):
the top rope to the outside,which you've seen them do it a
million times, so you know, helpyou.
Okay.
Like you're never worried abouteither guy like, you know, like
you're in good hands watChingthat where it's going to be an
amazing match, but it's going tobe a safe match when it's
surrounded by dudes gettingdropped on their head and kicked
in the face.
Like, you know, but it'll beokay.
He had matches with tanahashi,ended up and um, er with a

(49:53):
bougie.
And I too, last year theyweren't particularly dangerous,
but there still pretty amazing.
Yeah, he can do that.

Speaker 8 (49:59):
Yeah, no, I totally agree.
In and jake, you actuallybrought up a good point.
I just looked so out of, out ofall the matches that I thought
were four stars or higher thanthat.
I put on my list from the[inaudible] there's 22 of them,
which is pretty fucking good.
Like that's a pretty high amountand only three of them were from
block, which is crazy.
I had no idea the disparity wasthat large until you mentioned

(50:20):
it.

Speaker 7 (50:21):
I.
Yeah.
Well I mean you gotta think andto have those tools will be
included.

Speaker 8 (50:24):
Okada.
And the other one includestanashi.

Speaker 7 (50:27):
I mean you gotta think two

Speaker 8 (50:28):
matches on every fucking show except for one had
bad luck filing and yoshi fuckit.
Throw those down.
The drain right there.
I love memorial suzuki, but hecan't have a four star match
with everyone.
Just know, you know, like, youknow.
So I think that that.
And also

Speaker 4 (50:48):
we kind of talked about that last time when you
watch us as you can match likeevery, everything that he does
like is good and everythingmatters.
And like if there's a clearstory going on, but like come to
like the end of it when you wantthat, like epic, like new Japan,
like finishing stretch.
Like he just doesn't do that.
Like he hits a finisher andwinds or pit and get your

(51:09):
finished on him, you're going towin.
That's just kinda the way thatsuzuki matches go.

Speaker 7 (51:12):
I mean, uh, it, it, it's, it's a great thing though
that his name and his persona isstill like translate to that
because there is an argument tobe made if you walk into a room
and see that guy, especially ifhe's his back turned to you,
slapping a bad luck family.
Like, like he's his dad.
Like just ripping him around theback and hitting and unsafely in

(51:35):
the face with a chair andeverything else.
Like you're going to think it'sgoing to look phony.
But if you know, if you know whothat is, I felt like even as
much of a bad ass and as much asthey protect him, generally, I
felt like, like bad luck waslucky to get out of there with
his fucking life.

Speaker 4 (51:55):
I love that.
Well that was the tournamentjust because page like fucking
like jumped up from the bell andlike took a test to zucchini.

Speaker 7 (52:04):
It was my favorite end of the tournament, my
favorite, uh, until, until thezack sabre thing.
Like I was like, when that, whenhe lifted him up, reverse them
and lifted them up, I was like,oh fuck, you know,

Speaker 4 (52:17):
I had 16 think it's strange that despite the fact
that sabre was in a match withsuzuki, you know, the de facto
leader of his faction, that theystill did the whole zack sabre
time speech.
It's over it.
I think it was just trying toput it over I guess, but it just

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felt weird to me.
It's become the rainmaker pose.
It's become tanashi air guitarbecame, it's become night to
doing the bounce off the ropesthing.
Like, you know, like oncesomething gets so popular you
have to do it for every crowd.
Separate crowd feels like theygot what they wanted to see, you
know,

Speaker 7 (52:57):
the best part is when he went outside and said,

Speaker 4 (52:59):
I don't think he was, he kept dropping.
Was spanish

Speaker 8 (53:07):
the.
That actually brings up this.
I may forget if we don't mind ifI mention right now, but when
I'm in the zack sabre nitelmatch, when nato did his pose
and then zack sabre ran at himand put a fucking arm bar.

Speaker 4 (53:21):
He did that.

Speaker 8 (53:23):
Yeah, I fucking love that.
That was one of

Speaker 1 (53:26):
my favorite things.
The entire tournament.

Speaker 4 (53:27):
I was just so good.
I think that was my secondfavorite interrupt.
The tricky low post.
My first favorite winter wind.
Nato tried that shit again.
So sonata and so now to justimmediately dropped, kicked him.

Speaker 1 (53:39):
Oh right, right.
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (53:42):
It's like you can't do that again.
So you man jr and sonata wasstrange.
I thought about that.
Like sonata just automatically,just like busting out all this
like technical.
Not, not that he doesn't knowhow to do that.
That he can.
That he can like outwit zacksaber jr and gets, I mean, I
know exactly.
He was frustrated.
That was the story of it.

(54:03):
But it was just like, oh, itkind of took me aback like
watching him, like man handlesexeter junior.
And that was, I think that waskind of the argument.
That's whenever a saber stuart'soffice match, you know, he's, he
will start off with moresimplistic a grapple moves and
then gradually ramp them up asthey go along.
And sonata had a counter forthose.
And the reason that sabre wasn'table to kind of ramp it up is

(54:25):
one of the things that they wereestablishing throughout the
tournament is he was showing alot more frustration, a lot more
of the screening and everything.
So that was not as game plan toput it, to knock him off his,
uh, his balance and prevent themfrom focusing on what he needed
to do to actually beat them.

Speaker 1 (54:41):
I actually really enjoyed that match and I think
it just shows it's a glimpseinto sonata and how fucking
talented he is.
Like he, he is one of the mosttalented wrestlers on the roster
I think.
And you know, he can, he can, hecan fly, he can, he can hang on
the mat.
He, you know, he can, he candraw, he can do pretty much all
of it, all this stuff.
And I think that was just a, heythis is, this is how fucking

(55:03):
good this guy can be.

Speaker 3 (55:05):
Overall.
I like last year I wasdisappointed in sonata because I
was kind of ready for last yearto be his breakout year, but
even a, a shitty mask and switchto like a white shirt and got
rid of the suite skull mask andeverything and, and, and you
know, all that shit aside.
It just wasn't a particularlymemorable tournament.

(55:27):
But in this one, like he was thefifth guy but he was only two
points behind the four guys tiedfor first.
So it was still a major step upfor him and I think he acquitted
himself really, really well.
You didn't have like, you know,blow away like, you know, super
memorable matches.
But he had great matches witheeg and with a bushy and was

(55:52):
zack saber jr.
Those were the ones that really,really stood out and he looked
like, like you watch thosematches and you're like okay,
this guy can main event.
he can be a regular maininventor in the future.
Maybe you will, maybe you won't,but like this more than any
other tournament.
This more than any other timesolidify that he could do that.

Speaker 4 (56:12):
He didn't end with the same points and the same
scalps or winds or whatever.
But I think last year like the,he had like the match with evil.
I thought it was fuckingamazing.
The one that they had last yearI think I was like.
And then the other one againstocado which ended up losing.
But that was still like a goodmatch.
I think all of his high levelmatches this year.
We're much better than lastyear.

Speaker 7 (56:34):
Definitely.
So to make two quick pointshere, if you're, if you haven't,
I don't know why you'd belistening to this or not, but if
you're thinking about jumpinginto this tournament and not in,
it might be getting turned offby some of the negative things
that we're saying.
I have 16 fourstar matches inthis tournament.
I went through, I went through,I've gone through a chunk of, I

(56:58):
have 10 over four star matches,like, like in between four and
five stars.
So the kind that correlates andI went to, I went through a
fucking chunk of and I only gotone of those.
I went through a chunk of nxtand a chunk of pwg from last
year this year.
And I don't know that you'll get16 four star for the year, for

(57:20):
the year for matches.
And this is like forced ourmatches.
And um, I think I'm a littlepickier in some, don't fucking
say the, the yoga hosers coop,but think I'm a little pickier
than a lot.
Maybe not in this room or onthis call.
But then a lot of people I knowabout throwing out four star

(57:44):
fivestars and like,

Speaker 4 (57:45):
I think you're definitely pickier than me.
I mean, I think we'veestablished.
I tend towards the high end onmy rating.

Speaker 7 (57:50):
Yeah.
Yeah.
Which is fine.
I mean like things, thingsresonate with people like a,
like a different way.
It's only from.
I was doing it different at thebeginning here.
It's only from cu making fun ofme that I changed the star
ratings.
He peer pressured me.
But um, well I guess not formovies though.

Speaker 4 (58:09):
I will say I did pick up a, a useful piece of advice
from a uncle dave of all peoplewhen it comes time at least for
rating a five star match that ifyou're thinking about it and you
have to wonder is it a five starmatch?
It's not.
Yeah.
That's why I, I've a lot of fourand three quarters in my history
that he's just like, I love amatch, but it's just like I'm,
I'm thinking about it too much.
So it's probably not five stars.

(58:30):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (58:31):
Well, that's kind of where I was for the final
because I, I immediately didn'tsay that's five stars.
I loved it, but you know, andthat's why I hadn't decided what
the final was yet.

Speaker 4 (58:42):
All right.
When, right when, right when thebell rang and townhouse, she put
his arm up.
I took five of those, a goldstar stickers at girl sent me
and put them on my phone so youcould fit five, stack them on
top of each other.

Speaker 7 (58:57):
That's why the coops cock is white belts to change
the scale.
He was able to fit eight.
I actually now I would like to,I'm going to try to go back at
some point and figure out whatlast year looked like, but I
only had three five star matchesthis year and I felt like I had
a shit ton last year so far thisyear.

(59:19):
Um, you know, but

Speaker 10 (59:22):
there are some

Speaker 6 (59:24):
at three for the g one, three, one, three, two,
one.
Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 10 (59:27):
But I mean, I don't, I can't, I mean, I have, I mean,
uh, I mean obviously there's theocado mega match and I don't
remember what I rated it, but Ireally love the storytelling and
the young bucks golden loversmatched.
So that might've been five orcLose for me, but, um, I can't
remember off the top of my headany five star matches, uh, other

(59:50):
than that okada mega one.
they had to be one night.
Everybody fucking is

Speaker 6 (59:54):
snappy.
Maureen takahashi,

Speaker 8 (59:59):
I remember who the superintendent was.
Yours.
Oh, I haven't watched it yet.

Speaker 6 (01:00:04):
Oh yeah.

Speaker 8 (01:00:07):
Um, I didn't go five on that, but that was very good.

Speaker 10 (01:00:10):
Yeah, a lot of people wouldn't.
Five.
Yup.
Um, I mean not for nothing andI, I'm glad I watched it and I
loved it, but I bet you that Ididn't.
I'm sure I didn't have anywhereclose to 16 fourstar matches
throughout the whole championscarnival.

Speaker 8 (01:00:26):
Oh no, I only got a handful.
I think so.
And I, I didn't watch all thematches, but you know, the ones
we did watch

Speaker 10 (01:00:32):
and I remember the final, I only gave four and a
four and a half or four and aquarter.
And that's great match.
There's nothing wrong with that,you know, and it's just, it's
just what resonates with peoplethere.
My brother thinks that these uh,uh, nxt main events that johnny
gargano and a champion has beenhaving is like the greatest pro

(01:00:52):
wrestling matches of all timeand they're great.
But

Speaker 8 (01:00:54):
yeah, to people who don't watch new Japan, I could
see that, right?
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:00:58):
It ain't shit that type of the day and opinions.
But I feel like with the next,every junior night don't match.
Like I probably should just getthat five stars because how much
I fucking love it.
But like it was a four and ahalf star match to me, which is
still amazing.
Like I love that match but Idon't know, it's just, it's just
about like how you want tovalue, like what you think is
what rating and all that is.

(01:01:18):
This yoga hosers is not threestars.

Speaker 10 (01:01:22):
It is three styles.

Speaker 6 (01:01:23):
Would you recommend, would you go?
Would you recommend that movieto anyone?
I did.
All right.
I guess there's three stars.

Speaker 10 (01:01:31):
They did it on their show and probably liked it more
than that.
I did christ.
Listen, this is where the guywho fucking gave me a hard time
because a, they're fucking dumb.
Heavy meTal flasher, but weadded say it was a double plus.
A alright.
Rocktober blood.
Yeah.
Rocktober blood.

Speaker 6 (01:01:49):
Good.
Your night though of our mood.

Speaker 8 (01:01:54):
No.
You know what they're going todo.
Want to talk about?
Let's, let's, let's talK aboutthe finals.
Rocktober blood.
No, no door.
I'm sure we'll get into someother storylines and stuff as we
continue to go on, but I'd loveto talk about the block a, a
final on the block be final andbecause I think there's a.
It's pretty dense.
There's a lot to discuss there,but so in the block, a final,
obviously we had a hiroshitanahashi versus[inaudible]

(01:02:18):
okada.

Speaker 6 (01:02:18):
Yeah.
And well I guess just mirroring,

Speaker 11 (01:02:21):
mirroring both a block finals, like going into
those nights, there were bothtimes.
There were three guys alive andit was in both times.
It was the matched right beforethe final where one of them was
knocked out and kind of justwent to the final.
So is it evil evil bj?
Jay white knocked him out and sothen it was down to a tanahashi.
That's right.
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:02:39):
And then zack saber jr beat night though.
Then it was just down to omegaversa.
Booshy

Speaker 7 (01:02:43):
didn't you will be white.
Clean

Speaker 6 (01:02:48):
a jail.
I mean jim, I was like trying todo some shenanigans and evil and
they're beating them.

Speaker 7 (01:02:53):
Yeah.
Well I feel like that's a wastedlike because I feel like as it
was building up like and again,like you know, you can't base
things just on your expectationsbut if anybody was going to give
you a taste of his own medicine,like I felt like it would been
evil but I was just surprised athow that ended and maybe that
makes it better.
But I just thought that he wasgoing to lose in the same way

(01:03:14):
he'd been winning.
You know, like,

Speaker 6 (01:03:16):
I mean he'd probably still do the thing where I put
the chair in his head and hit itwith another chair.
Yeah.
That's about like, that's all.
Pretty much the farthest thatevil honestly goes.
He'll do braWling stuff andhe'll take advantage of the fact
that you're outside and neutralpanel.
Let you do anything out there.

Speaker 7 (01:03:34):
Tag champ.
Like some of those back, youknow, trust me, wolfie will tell
you who's intimately familiarwith my wrestling style.
Like I pay very close attentionto low blow up.

Speaker 8 (01:03:45):
I think I'm still sore down there.
That's not my, you need marsused to hit every one of them
are nuts.

Speaker 7 (01:03:58):
My only.
It was my only.

Speaker 8 (01:03:59):
Yeah, that's a move.
Yeah.
So, so in that match, obviously.
I mean I thought for sure, Imean when looking at it, I think
we, I think a lot of us thoughtit was going to come down to a
bougie and ocado.
right?
Or, or did coop.
Did you say tanahashi?

Speaker 6 (01:04:17):
Uh, I always, like I said that and I think I
predicted that, but it was, Ithink I also put an asterisk on
it.
We're like, that's what I wantedto happen.
So that's why I was sending thatand I kinda like saw once they
set up that is so vulnerablethat it would come down to that
and that's how tanahashi will Iget the wind on him and that's
kind of what happened eventhough he didn't actually get
the win,

Speaker 8 (01:04:36):
but he's still got enough points and that's what I
love.
I love that because that keepstheir fucking feud going.
Like if tanahashi had beat himclean, you know, I, I, I just
think it doesn't have as muchimpact.
But now like okada still has theupper hand in this, in this, you
know, in this feud because hedidn't lose ton tunnel hotsheet.

(01:04:57):
He just went, the time limitdrawn.

Speaker 6 (01:04:59):
But it's still at like it ended with hitting the
high flows.
Like he seemed like he had.
Oh god, yeah.
It was kinda like came out thatmatch strong.
And at first it was liketanahashi Just needed to
survive.
The 30 minutes and that's whathis plan was, but eventually he
just kind of got the upper handand just kind of ran with it.

Speaker 1 (01:05:16):
Right?
Yeah.
And I do love that at the end hewent for the high fly flow
instead of just, you know,trying to run down the Clock.
I thought that that was a reallynice touch.
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (01:05:24):
I also want to say I have a lot of praise for the job
Kevin Kelly and rocky romero didlike during the whole
tournament, but like that matchlike right from before that
match even started.
They would not stop talkingabout it going into the time
when the draw, like they broughtit up like every minute, like
during that, in the commentaryto the point where it got really
annoying.
Then once it did go the time onthe trial, it's just like, why

(01:05:46):
did you guys like keep sayingthat if you knew that's what the
fish was going to be, just likeit's frustrating.

Speaker 1 (01:05:51):
They may not have been good.

Speaker 5 (01:05:53):
Well, and I don't think they knew that the that
and I think that theircommentary comes from the
position of if you are listeningto the english commentary,
chances are you're not a casualwrestling fan because I would
wager the majority of englishspeakers that are watching new
Japan world are wrestling geeksand so this is going to be

(01:06:15):
something that they're alreadygoing to be very cognizant of.
So I think that they werefLavoring their commentary
towards that kind of uberwrestlIng fan.
That's why they would bring upstuff like being the lead.
That's why they could kind ofsneak in those sort of inside
baseball things.
They weren't selling it to thecasual person.
They were selling it to the uberfan.

Speaker 7 (01:06:34):
Also.
it, it didn't bother me becausethere was a precedent set,
right?
Like it's, it's like again,coops going to grown, but it's
like at the beginning of everyfucking red sox yankees game
from like my whole lifetime, thecommentators like, alright, well
get comfortable because this isgoing to go, who's going to go
all night long?
You know?
And so the fact that these guyshad gotten the limit twice in a

(01:06:56):
row, like that precedent wasset.
You know what I mean?

Speaker 1 (01:06:59):
Why are you the one bringing a baseball and the
baseball guy?

Speaker 7 (01:07:01):
Well, because I listened tO it from the basement
my whole entire life.

Speaker 1 (01:07:06):
Yeah.
I thought that just because youbrought it up, I think the
commentary was, was really good.
Like throughout the tournament,I really enjoyed having me the
american con, the englishcommentary.
I don't know if, if I know coopyou, you tend to listen to the
japanese commentary

Speaker 6 (01:07:21):
for the most part I did.
I stArted to like, uh, like thefirst few matches, like washed,
like with the english and I'mlike the main event I'll switch
to japanese or if it's like abig match that I really care
about do that.
But they probably the final saychris charlton on and like he's
amazing and like I wanted tohear him.
So I just listened to him theentire time.
You know what?
I would have japanese commentaryfor that.

Speaker 1 (01:07:43):
I one critique about him, he, he, he liked his
knowledge is off the charts,like I love this stuff, but I
felt like he kept trying to havelike a poetic statement, like,
you know, like, oh, the ace isnow the god or like he kept
saying like these things to tryto make it really poignant and I
Just thought it was trying toohard, but other than

Speaker 6 (01:08:01):
I kind of appreciated that because he's in his, he's
just genuinely like a huge fanof wrestling fan.
Yeah.
He's very emotional, which I canrelate to.
So I kinda, I kinda enjoyedthat.
Just like he was like emotionalperspective, like a bushy his
whole entire career leading upto this moment and it being like
the golden ones.
[inaudible]

Speaker 1 (01:08:21):
yeah.
I mean like I said, I mean his,his knowledge was, was off the
charts.
I loved hearing him talk and youknow, it's interesting.
I'm surprised, I don't know likewhy they were switching Between
django and, and chris charlton,uh, because it seemed like
charles knew more and django wasjust translating.
So I thought that was

Speaker 6 (01:08:38):
interesting.
Availability, because I don'tthink they really used for
charlton never, but I thinkbeing at being at uconn and him
like literally writing books onthe history of buildings in
Japan for wrestling.
yeah,

Speaker 1 (01:08:48):
yeah, yeah, absolutely.
In.
But I thought that the, the tonof haji jacada match as, as
expected was, was fuckingbrilliant.
And even, you know, even with a,for me a draw doesn't have, you
know, like, you know, obviouslywe had the ocado and mega draw
from, from last year and drawdoesn't really take away from my

(01:09:10):
enjoyment of it at all.
I know some people it, it might,but for me it was still an
amazing match and

Speaker 6 (01:09:16):
yeah, I just like those guys can't go wrong.
I think that the only negativething I can say about it, which
isn't even like negative, isthat like compared to other.
Oh, tanahashi matches like thisis probably like middle of the
road.
Like I didn't think it was likeas epic amazing masterpiece as
the previous ones, but I meanthe situation that they're in,

(01:09:39):
the characters that they areright now and only having 30
minutes to do this.
Like you can't expect them toput on a wrestle kingdom main
event.

Speaker 1 (01:09:46):
Yeah, yeah.
It's still exactly.
It wasn't wrestle kingdom and itwasn't some of their other
matches but, but fOr the final,with a 30 minute time limit, I
think they had a really, reallygood story.

Speaker 6 (01:09:59):
It wasn't, it wasn't as much callbacks aside from
just lIke the risk clutching andtanahashi like getting the upper
hand on ocado.
But yeah, it was, it was, it wasvery like by the books like
tanahashi okada, like spOt tospot to spot.

Speaker 1 (01:10:14):
Yep.
I really, I really dug it.
It was great.
Yeah, no, it was great.
And then of course blood befinal.
We had a, you know, the, the bigone, everyone's been waiting for
when, when the schedule came outwas omega versus a bougie.
And it was.
Now I actually, I don't thinkI've seen, I don't think I saw

(01:10:37):
their ddt match a buddha.
The buddha can match.
Yeah.
I don't know that I've ever seenit.
Um, but I mean I've seen thesetwo work throughout their
careers a lot and I wasexpecting, I really, you know,
crazy match and it didn'tdisappoint.
They, I think they toured thefucking house down in this match

Speaker 6 (01:10:59):
and just like, just like I was saying with jacada
tanahashi thing where you can'texpect them to do what they've
done in the past.
Like you can't watch that buddhacan match from 10 years ago,
like an expect that in the[inaudible] now.
And I think they kind of didn'tdo that

Speaker 4 (01:11:14):
at the same time.
They like, I felt like they leftso much on the table like this
was it, wasn't it like, don'tget me wrong, this was not like
disappointing in any way, shapeor form.
But it definitely feels likeafter watching this they're
going to meet again and it'sgoing to be that big epic match
that you want.
Because this wasn't the epiclike buddha con main event that
you want, this was just, thiswas them doing like a list of

(01:11:37):
the things that they need to do,doing like beautiful counter to
counter, like doing somedangerous spots, but like not
doing like too many insane, likepto pays off the top rope like
crazy shit that you expect fromthem as just saving that for a
later date.
Yeah.
It felt like a really greatopening match.

(01:11:58):
What could be an incredibleseries between the two, but that
those fucking, the knees, thatquota bougie put on omega and
tanahashi like the moon saltknees.
That's fucking disgusting.
Oh god.
Yeah.
Then that.
Especially with the omega one,he just like random.
Nice.

(01:12:19):
Yeah.
It hit your ribs.
It hitashi like shins across.
Whereas the point of his kneesand elbows, the time of how she
won, he like bounced too and Igot my second day of the visit.
Usually it was pretty much theecc balanced on him.
The omega one was this brutal.

(01:12:41):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:12:43):
Yeah.
So I do agree with that and Iactually thought that that was
going to be the, the lead up toa wrestle kingdom match and you
know, because I thought for surethat's what they're gonna do
like this is, this is act oneand then we're going to see them
a wrestle kingdom, uh, with,with a bougie winning the one.
But obviously that's not whathappened.

(01:13:04):
But you know, knowing new Japan,I mean that match could be right
around the corner, you know.

Speaker 4 (01:13:10):
So the question is then if a, because it boucher
was able to get a wind over thechampion, can he challenged
between now and wrestle kingdom?
That's what I'm thinking.
But I like, I feel like that'snot the match that you do at
like fucking king of prowrestling, a power struggle.
That's something that needs tosay for like dominion.
Interestingly.

(01:13:30):
I agree.
They go, we were thinking, wewere thinking that, you know,
okada couldn't lose outside ofwrestle kingdom for the longest
time, you know, and I wouldhave, I would have met any of
you money that was going to betanahashi in that main event.
So

Speaker 12 (01:13:42):
yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 4 (01:13:45):
I cried.
You cried when she lost becAuseshe lost her house.
She won.
Well I don't mind.
I liked that.
And is she been,

Speaker 1 (01:13:56):
you're like the.

Speaker 4 (01:13:58):
No, it's time to let the young guys get going there.
Fucking dusty rhodes actuallyread a good comments on it, you
know, just acknowledging whereto where tanahashi is at his
career that if you wanted

Speaker 3 (01:14:12):
that great epic fights against omega, now is the
best time to do it.

Speaker 6 (01:14:18):
That life.
I'm a little biased just becausetanahashi he's like one of, if
not my favorite wrestler of alltime.
Like I, I love this as like hisswan song, like he's going to go
out winning one final gyn andthen getting that crazy match
agaInst.
So megan, I think they can puton like an amazing match
together.
I don't think two years from nowthey can put on the same mesh
that they're going to be able toput it on now though.

(01:14:39):
So hoping that timeout, shedoesn't lose the briefcase at
some point between now andwrestling.
And I'm like I'm perfectly finewith this and not know him.
No, that has never happened.
That's why I was saying earlierlike if anyone's going to lose
it, I can see it being tanahashibecause no fans are ever going
to turn their back on him orthink less of him if he does
anything.
So.
But I, I don't know, I feel likeI don't know where omega and

(01:15:01):
we're a bushy like what companythey're going to be in, what
state they're going to be,whatever.
But you have time to like dothat match at dominion next year
or wrestle kingdom the yearafter.
If they're still new.
Japan like tanahashi, ocado,tanahashi, omega like needs to
happen like soon if they'regoing to do that.
I don't, I haven't seen themwrestle each other in a long
time.
Like say ever since the they'regoing to have that.
Like I see lighter.
That never happened becausetunnel know how she got hurt,

Speaker 7 (01:15:22):
right.
I can't, I can't say this abouteverybody but I don't think
omega is going anyway but, butthe rest of them, the rest of
the elite I think may not behere at least this time next
year.
But

Speaker 3 (01:15:35):
it's hard to tell what's going to happen.
I guess the feeling you get fromomega is that like he, he wants
to do it before his bodycompletely shuts down and he
spent the entire tournamentworking off of a, a broken ankle
and busted like front of hisfoot and stuff like that.
And like last year you could seehis body's starting to break

(01:15:56):
down and he's made allusions toit.
So if like, you know, februaryor january comes around and he's
read the tea leaves and his bodyis starting to fail.
I'm like, it could, it couldhappen.
And it sort of goes back towolfies sort of, um, feelings
about the match.
Like I thought it was a greatmatch between a bustina mega,

(01:16:19):
but if that's their last match,that's a disappointing match.
And if new Japan had theopportunity to have the great
blow off omega booshy match andthey don't have it, like that's
a, like a mess, failure on theirpart.

(01:16:41):
So you have that, have theopportunity to do something with
it and then not do it becausethey're trying to play the long
game.
You know, how much control

Speaker 7 (01:16:50):
do you think that they have over that though?
You hear that they don't reallylike the gimmicks.
Like they just kind of get themin there.

Speaker 3 (01:16:56):
It could've had a bushy when the[inaudible] well
yeah, had them when the g oneand then you have it because
they have right that point yougo through through like the
first or second week of januaryor, or however work, however it
works

Speaker 2 (01:17:10):
or you know, or you can have at the end of the day
you can, even though it's lessthan ideal, you can't have that
magic kingdom progressingbecause at least then you'll
have a 60 minute time limit.
You want to have a 30 minutetime limit with her, you know,
exhausting themselves and blahblah blah.
And I mean that's likeinfinitely more preferable than

(01:17:30):
just not having the blow offmatch.
And even just watching the g onematch like you could, you felt
like this was a setup leading toa later match.
This wasn't supposed to be likethe definitive statement on
where these guys are.
It was like 25 minutes of likereversals and then like

(01:17:51):
mirroring each other's moves oneby one.
Yeah.
And I mean I think I think a lotof the pacing and the rhythm of
that metric was hurt by a mega,probably not being at a hundred
percent and being able to gofull tilt.
Like I mean danger wise theywent full tilt but like pace
wise are a tempo or like, youknow, just kind of the rhythm of

(01:18:11):
the match.
Like it wasn't there.
It was, it was the best at theend of the day it was spot to
spot to spot.
Whereas some other matches likethere's a real uh, kind of
exhilarating ebb and flow to thefinal and there really wasn't
that this, which is fine, but ifmeg has gone, I mean, shit you

(01:18:31):
had, you had like an amazingnatural cross promotional cross
decade thing that you could havehad in and capitalize on.
but she did it.
It was going anywhere.
I don't think he's goingsomewhere eventually, but I
think that human, a booshyquantum match that match like

(01:18:55):
maybe at maybe at dominion nextyear they'll have that match.
You won't be tokyo dome but itwill still be.
Maybe he beats tanahashi, keepsthe title and then a bougie
challenges or something likethat.
we could still see that match atwrestle kingdom could lose the
title before then so it'spossible and we can see here,

(01:19:17):
you know like he definitely, hedid beat him, you know, so he is
theoretically in line for atitle shot.
Like they're not doing it at apower struggle on camp wrestling
though I feel like I think I'llmake us kind of have the defense
[inaudible] she obd, she andthen maybe a power struggle or

(01:19:39):
whatever.
the next one is like they justmight not be a defense.
I think it's telling that ton ofhow she came out and said, my
defenses for the[inaudible]contract are with okada and are
withj white and the only thingwe've heard with omega is the
match and not the yano and notyour blue sheet match or they're
holding.
They're holding back the automanagement.

(01:20:02):
My wrestling on January 5th,that's what they're going to
call it.
They're going to call itwrestling wrestle kingdom or
that's when they'll give him theshot.
Joe knew your stash anymore.
A new use number.

Speaker 6 (01:20:18):
Remember?
Remember when jano had likethree light good matches at the
start of the tournament.
We were like, this is the newyano and then he just turned to
shit after that.
I don't think it is fun though.
like yeah.
Gosh,

Speaker 2 (01:20:30):
not good at doing that.
Reverting back to it and havinga laugh out loud.
Don't say sonata batch withomega.
Oh yeah.
I wanted that.
I was like, oh man, I'm going tohave to eat some crow.
Yeah,

Speaker 5 (01:20:49):
I, I really left out loud with the spots on the uh,

Speaker 2 (01:20:55):
the pads on the way over because like at first like
omega, like sold it and then hewas like, well, wait a minute.
Yeah,

Speaker 6 (01:21:07):
I like the a lot with that night.
Like they did, we talked aboutit.
Um, it'd be like two or threeepisodes ago where I had
mentioned they kind of did likethe ecw style paul heyman thing
or like bougie was fightingsomeone like el desperado and
then that kind of like blendinto the next tour.
they did that, they did thatsame thing here where it was a
booshy last to a tama Tonga.

(01:21:28):
And then because of theinterference I'm like, omega
came out and tried to helpbooshy when bush, he ended up
losing and then omega gotroughed up and then they kind of
like blend into jano coming outand trying to take advantage of
it.
Like I really enjoyed that.
That's something that like theydo, they do that sparingly
enough where it's like this likenorth american style, like
booking thing that I actuallydon't mind them doing it.

Speaker 5 (01:21:47):
It was smart because they knew mathematically that
omega was going to have to takea certain number of losses and
they knew that there would be aconversation if he lost to
somebody that they would want tobe justifiably want a title
shot, but by setting it up forjano to win it in very dubious
circumstances as it was, nobodyis going to be, you know,

(01:22:10):
yelling out why isn't getting atitle shot other than me.
And uh, yEah,

Speaker 6 (01:22:17):
it was smart.
It was very smart.
I know this, I know this wouldhave ruined your five star
charlie chaplin comedy hourthing, whatever.
But uh, I, I was kind of like alittle bit annoyed that I
thought jano is going to comeout and like kind of take
advantage of the situation likewhen within a minute, but just
kinda like turned into this like15 minutes, like yanno match.
I don't know.
I mean it was funny.

(01:22:37):
It was funnier than his othermatches.
I'll agree.
But like, I dunno, I didn't, Iwas Just like kinda like, oh,
it's just going to turn into amatch now.
I worked for me

Speaker 5 (01:22:46):
and I liked the sonata match.
Dammit.
It had some good callbackslesson

Speaker 2 (01:22:51):
and it came at a good time too, because if I recall
correctly, it was right afterkenny had the match with ece
when he got his fucking litfucked up.
Oh god.
Speaking

Speaker 5 (01:23:01):
of that match, that was the sole match in the
tournament that I gave fivestars.

Speaker 4 (01:23:06):
That metro is amazing.
So good.
Take a wrestling match.
I maybe have to rewatch itbecause that was like my fifth
favorite match.
That was, that was my first fivestar match of the tournament.
So fucking good.
I watched that with my, um,

Speaker 6 (01:23:24):
former ex girlfriends xx xx change in age.
Xander cane doesn't feel like alot of wrestling and has like
pre predetermined like thoughtsabout like what wrestling is
like everyone does and likewatching that was Just like,
they're just like really hittingeach other.

(01:23:44):
And I was like, yeah, prettymuch this.
Like when certain guys get inthe ring together, they just
like hate each other.

Speaker 4 (01:23:51):
Yeah.
But then she made, she made funof overnight oats here though.
Yeah.
Well, that was justifiably so.

Speaker 10 (01:24:03):
Why do you say that?
Because cam see, watch thatmatch with me and she hasn't
seen a lot of new Japan and whenshe does see it without fail,
it's fucking janO or it'sfucking uh, you know, the, the
girl with her ass out in a bunnymask on like that stuff, like

(01:24:24):
phases are, but it just kind offucking seems like same old,
same old, you know, like, so,you know, it's harder for her.
Uh, so seeing that she was like,oh, I would like to go to a new
Japan show.
And then I was like, yeah, wellthat's sold out.
So you're out of luck

Speaker 4 (01:24:40):
considering the only match my fiance watch was the
uh, booshy a zack saber jrmatch.
And she was having no part ofit.
I don't think she's ever goingto what?
like, like she just kept saying,it looks so fake.
And I was like, thank you.
Oh, come on.

Speaker 10 (01:25:02):
so handsome.
I mean, are you kidding me?
He's so talented.

Speaker 4 (01:25:07):
Should get her on the thing.
It's like, hey, you rememberthat?
A really boyIsh looking britishguy.
Why do you think down in mylegs, there you go.
As we've, as we're finding outdynamo likes boys.

Speaker 10 (01:25:19):
Well that type of boy I rebel against you saying I
like women that look like menbecause that's not true.
But.
Well I like short haircuts butlike, you know, like for janetta
drawings,

Speaker 4 (01:25:37):
was there anything specifically in the tournament's
we wanted to discuss?
I mean we've kinda hit a lot ofthe big notes.
Yeah.
I'm trying to think of anyonethat we didn't really mention.
We haven't gone around andtalked about what is, if, if we
were pressed and said quit,could only recommend people
check out one match.
So our favorite match of thetournament.
What would it be?

(01:25:57):
A sort with jake on ddt.

Speaker 6 (01:26:07):
I gotta wait on him to take the stuff.
Getting that error message.
Oh, I'm stressing.
I can't think.
Okay, we'll, we'll, we'll skipyou and you'll go last.
We'll start with mars then.

Speaker 10 (01:26:20):
Um, initially I was going to say a mega oh mega
because it had like enough oflike wrestling that it wouldn't
be alienating to somebody whohad never seen it before, but I
would go all in and, and like abougie eeg is my kind of new
Japan batch to what I, it's

Speaker 6 (01:26:40):
islands

Speaker 10 (01:26:43):
fair and dropped on head violence too.
It's, it's a good combination ofwhat I loved about it.
Uh, you know, in the juniors ofthe, you know, of the, uh, of
the early nineties and then thegod goddess and so on have later
on in this new modern wrestlingtoughness and modern

(01:27:05):
storytelling.
I loved it.

Speaker 6 (01:27:08):
What was your favorite match of the
tournament?
Final ending?
Just everything about thatmatch.
And it obviously helps if youlike know the history of the
guys and everything, but justlike, I dunno, like we didn't
even mention fucking shabbat asecond.
I got a question and maybe youguys can tell me I'm crazy, but
did shabbat a look different toyou as particularly in the face?

(01:27:31):
He lost a lot of ways.
He looks, he looks like hedoesn't work out as much
anymore.
What it was like did look alittle different.
Yeah.
I don't know if part of hisrecovery maybe may have required
some surgery, but he lookeddifferent to me.
I think he just looked less likea professional wrestler that
could be it.
But I think from just like fromthat, from omega cornering a

(01:27:53):
bougie and then shabbat to beingthe surprise coroner for like
tanahashi, which like right whenthat happened, I was like fuck,
tanahashi has a chance to now.
Because I was picturingcelebration together, which we
got from that, from that.
Just like that.
Like I loved the tanahashibooshy matches that we've had
over the last few years.
This one was just like nextlevel from like pacing and like
at the athleticism you get fromthem and just like tanahashi

(01:28:15):
knowing that he's kinda like, hecan't keep up with like a bougie
in these strike battles.
Like he would still, they stilljust like slapped the shit out
of each other for like 20minutes like but it.
But a ton of how she would stilljust like draw him into like
wrestling and if a bushy liketries to wrestle tanahashi like
that's not gonna work, I knowhow she's going to, he's like
the god of wrestling and he'sgonna out wrestle him and how

(01:28:35):
she just kept drawing them anddrawing them and drawing them
in, making them make mistakesand like reversing the
categories at the end whichwere, there were like 20 of them
and it was just more dramaticafter every time, every time and
just eventually got the wind andI don't know, that was beautiful
to me.
Like it wasn't what I wantedgoing into it.
But after it was over, likethat's what I wanted out of that
match.
Like I wanted to push you to winand I wanted a bougie omega at

(01:28:56):
wrestle kingdom.
But like now that it happenedand I saw that match, I am like
all laying on tanahashi and I'mso happy that he wanted like I
fucking love them as much.

Speaker 8 (01:29:04):
You watch it twice.
Group.
I remember you saying you weregoing to watch it again because
was it Just sort of the surpriseof everything that happens?
Kind of took.

Speaker 6 (01:29:12):
Got it.
Yeah, because I just, I likeafter it was over I was like, I
love that match so much.
And I was like, I'm gonna watchit again because like, good, I
really love that.
Like, was that as good as Ithought it was?
I'm like, oh, wash it again.
It was great.

Speaker 8 (01:29:25):
sorry.
Just going to say I was goingto, I'm going to watch it again
because I, I was up really latelast night finishing up because
I wanted to make sure that Icould wAtch all the main
tournament matches and like Iended up watching it, like I was
falling asleep, like I didn'tfall asleep but I was like
exhausted, you know?
So, um, I, it was surprising andI definitely, it's one on one.

(01:29:47):
That's why I think I can'treally properly rate it and why
I need to see it again.

Speaker 6 (01:29:51):
I'm taking into consideration like the stakes
and like how dramatic it was.
Like just like the two guys,facial expressions, just like
simple things as like sellingpain or just like being happy
that like you kicked out orsomething.
Like it was just like I don't,it was just like next level,
like exhilarating.
Watching them react to likeeverything that happened and you
really felt like you were likein this match.
I'm like wanting just like noteven like wanting either one of

(01:30:14):
them, the wind just like wantingthis to just like keep going so
fucking good and this kind ofhow she just like collapsing at
the end and like he couldn't,couldn't Be like that air guitar
sessIon at the end.
That was like the worst one I'veever seen in my life because he
was just like fucking dead.
Like he couldn't, he couldn'tkeep doing these encores because
like he could barely stand up.
Alright.
So woefully.
What was your favorite match ofthe tournament?

Speaker 8 (01:30:36):
Oh, well I have two five star matches from them.
Yano versus jano.
I'm a man.
I, it's, it's tough to pick one.
You know, I'm on.
I already talked about nato andomega on the last show because
that was a five star match to mefrom, from night to the first

(01:30:57):
night of a biblical.
I don't know why, I just, Iloved it.
I just love that match.
See, it was a perfect match and,but for me, since I already
talked about that, I'll go witha abouti abouti wow.
Booshy versus.
Oh man.

Speaker 6 (01:31:13):
yeah,

Speaker 8 (01:31:16):
it gushi versus omega, the vblock, a, b block
final.
And I think the reason why andsomething that I didn't mention
earlier when we were discussingthat match is these, these two
are best friends and maybe moreright?
Like that's kind of like thesort of like an unknown thing
like it, it's, it's presumedthat they may even be a couple.

(01:31:38):
Like, so the fact that these twowent at it for nearly a half
hour, killing each other wasjust crazy.
And even like the head trauma inthis that, that, uh, booshy
took.
Like that's one thing we didn'tmention, there was that move
where a bougie looked like hewas going for a reverse ronna

(01:31:59):
and then kenny just dropped

Speaker 1 (01:32:00):
him on his head.
Like that was just fuckingcrazy.
There was a couple of big moveslike that.
And then the, the tiger driveroff the top that, that, uh, that
uh, booshy hit.
That was like kind of theprecursor to the, to the um, uh,
I almost said[inaudible], uh,the uh, was he called his moved
jesus christ.
I forgot

Speaker 5 (01:32:21):
a common goal.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:32:22):
Great.
Thank you.
Yeah.
So, uh, the precursor to that,like that whole thing was just
was just nuts and just seeinglike, and you could tell like
these two, these two love eachother and like, but, but when it
comes to competition, it doesn'tfucking matter.
You want to win, you want to bethe best.
And it's just like, that's,that's kind of the sport of it.
And if this was, I hate toreally compare it to web, but if

(01:32:44):
this was a wwe, wwe match, likeit would just be like one guy
would lay down for the other orlike they would just have a real
friendly match, you know, where,where they wouldn't hit each
other or something like that.
But this is for the fucking gunlike this is, this is the one of
the biggest crowns in yourprofession.

(01:33:04):
You're going to give it yourfucking all and you're going to,
you're going to try to win it.
And that's what I loved about itwas, was despite the
relationship between these two,they went all out like even more
so than they probably would haveagainst anyone else.
And it was just like you said,it wasn't, it probably wasn't my
favorite match of thetournament, but it was just

(01:33:25):
nuts.
It was.
It was tons of crazy spots, tonsof neck trauma, tons of strikes.
It, it, it was really likereally crazy.

Speaker 10 (01:33:34):
It made it their relationship made it important
and made it and directcontradiction to the way the
tongans were handling thetournament.
And not caring about theramifications of it.
Sure.

Speaker 5 (01:33:48):
Alright.
Well that's for myself.
Um, you already talked about itbut it was easy.
And omega not only did it appealto the things that I enjoy most
about wrestling where things getlegitimately brutal and there is
that just great struggle betweentwo top notch.
Tough ass bastards.

(01:34:09):
Try trying with everything.
They have to beat the other one.
But it was also one of the onesthat had me the most emotionally
invested because going intothis, you know, we'll make it
had his winning streak and itwas going to be interesting to
see if he could go the distance,you know, it'd be the first
person to ever clear the[inaudible] winning every single
match.
And for the early going itlooked like he was the guy to do

(01:34:31):
it.
But at the same time I have somuch love for egg and even
though he's not ever going tonecessarily be that top guy, he
is just so goddamn legitimateand he has so much of my
goodwill that I can believe andalso want him to succeed.
And so with every near falltowards, again, I was enraptured

(01:34:51):
with it and I kept going backand forth.
It's like, well, I want to makeit with, I want to eat you to.
When I was just wrapped up inthis match that far away, we got
to the biggest emotionalresponse to me, even with other
ones like the, um, the, theomega booshy match or like the
tanana booshy match going intoit.

(01:35:11):
I kind of had either a strongsense of who was going to win.
So the ambiguity wasn't there orI had a sense of, well, if
either guy wins, I'm going tobe, I'm going to be content, but
I didn't have the same kind ofconnection.
I didn't have that same kind ofjust really, you know, that
ambiguity that I had with theomega match.
So that was definitely myfavorite.

Speaker 10 (01:35:33):
Uh, I think that, uh,

Speaker 7 (01:35:38):
omega is just special, you know what I mean in
the fact that, or do all thatstuff is something that.
I mean like you have a lot ofpeople, not a lot, but I mean
there's a roster full of goto isa perfect example, like he can
do those tough and ruggedmatches, you know, but like the
fact that like omega manages todo that and put like a, haiti's

(01:35:59):
the term but a little bit ofjust the right amount of sports
entertainment and there is like,you know, important and, and
really a next level stuff.

Speaker 5 (01:36:09):
Well we can call it showmanship.
Alright.
Jg saved you for last.
What was your favorite of thetournament?

Speaker 2 (01:36:20):
What was, what was yours?
Wolfie here's where you are.
no match.
So y'all don't match.
Okay.
That was my second favorite ofmy actual favorite at the tara.
I don't know, honestly, like I,I haven't really kept it in mind
too much in terms of howeverything's stacked up to each

(01:36:44):
other.
So I'll just go with the booshyecg, uh, because of how gnarly
it was.
Um, it was great.
Um, whenever it booshy goes likemurder mode, like get excited
because like, really my, my kindof introduction to this style of

(01:37:06):
pro wrestling was the booshynakamura match because that was
the wrestle kingdom that I'dwatched and I had enjoyed a lot
of it.
I'm pretty sure that also had,um, uh, was that the one where
[inaudible] should Beto bootybooty?

(01:37:30):
Actually, no, I think that onewas a shibata and goto winning
the tag tag titles.
I had watched good matches thatnight and that was the night
where I had convinced myselfthat it was a geek because he
looked like he could.
He got in a pretty clean by.
Well, hIs hair, his hair wasterrible back then.

(01:37:51):
His hair right now is amazing.
I love his hair right now, butback then it was terrible.
It was a fucking gong show.
But if gushi and naka moora likeblew my fucking mind, uh, the
first time I watched it,honestly, it still blows my
mind.
It's incredible.
But you don't always see likestraight up murder a booshy

(01:38:12):
showing up murder.
Facebook.
She doesn't always.
That's a good point.
Thing.
Reminds you of young daniel's inthe cloud.
That's one thing I forgot tomention is, is bruce seems so
unassuming.
He's like this really nice likehandsome guy, but then yeah,
when he goes like murder booshy,it's fucking scary and it was

(01:38:35):
such a cool moment.
Like even knowing that like we'dseen it before and then we'd
seen it most recently in a esgmetrics just trading punches to
each other's throats.
That was insane.
It was kind of stupid if shetried to do that to his idol is
his god.
I mean that was really what theCongo.

(01:38:57):
He was named after.
Yeah.
It was his first.
His match against tanahashi lastyears where he debuted it at the
[inaudible] basically a yearago.
Yeah.
And so like knowing he has thatin him to a guy's fearsome is
ecg and he wasn't able to.
He didn't back down.
He fought through it, he wonthat match and it was an amaZing

(01:39:17):
fucking match.
And then he does that with a tonof hashimoto's and like you See
like the murder face melt awayand he like legitimately
intimidated because

Speaker 6 (01:39:27):
any, any like fucked up because he kept, he kept
going for the common guy overand over again.
Like she like had that scattered100 percent and every time he
went for it, like how she hadsomething new to rehearse it
into something new and amazinglooking and smooth guy.
Crazy transition to reverse thatinto.
It's just so fucked, suchfucking good storytelling and so
emotional.

(01:39:47):
That shit,

Speaker 10 (01:39:49):
she is the best seller right now by like a
fucking mile.
Like that guy is a sellingmotherfucker.
Like he, when he is done, whenhe's beat up, he looks beat up.

Speaker 2 (01:39:58):
I think he legit is beat up like those facial
expressions, you know,

Speaker 10 (01:40:04):
what do you fucking holding his head like looks like
he's holding his head on hisshoulders when he's walking back
to the locker room.

Speaker 2 (01:40:10):
But it's like, um, in terms of the repeated attempts,
it's like when you play a videogame and like you're low on
health and you're just like,mashing, like you're not even
thinking, you're just like, Ineed to get out of this, I need
to win this.
Now I'm fucked because this guyis like 70 feet tall and you
know, whatever the fuck.
And you're just like smashing,you know, the, the finished

(01:40:31):
button.
That's basically what he wasdoing.

Speaker 6 (01:40:33):
Compare that to a fucking cool as a cucumber
tanahashi who hits a three highflows in a row without even
thinking he hits one jumps outat deborah, hits it.
And like, after the first one Iwas like, ah, did we, she's
getting his knees up and hit thesecond one.
He jumped back up and I waslike, why would you do this
three times?
But fucking work.
Like he knew what he was doing.
Well in the second one wasstanding cross bodies.

(01:40:53):
the

Speaker 3 (01:40:54):
only time in the history of high cross bodies
would that look like it fuckingkilled.
So where was my thought?
Whereas my thinking, um, itplays into like, you know, it's
all perspectives, you know, Iunderstand people who think that
it's just kind of a scene of howshe moment where he just, you

(01:41:17):
know, endures all thispunishment from a bougie and
then just elevates it, but it,it's there, you know, whether
it's fair or not or we'rereading too much into it, like
booshy lost because he wasfacing his idol and he got
caught up in the moment.
It was bigger than him, youknow, he, he went from something
that wasn't ready to have beengone for yet and he should've

(01:41:39):
known better.
and when the guy got him, hecouldn't, you know, um, pull
himself together and come backto it.
And that's the sort of thingthat you probably need to have
if you're telling a long formstory because if a, she's just
more talented, the tanahashi andthat's it.
Then there's no, there's nostory to tell.

(01:42:01):
That's it.
It's just the, the, the oldguard has gone to pasture and
the new sexy hotness who doesflips off everything and punches
people in throats is, is hunkydory.
But it sets itself up for later,which is great.
Um, yeah.
I don't know, like I guess weshould fold this into maybe

(01:42:24):
another conversation about whothe mvp of the tournament

Speaker 5 (01:42:27):
was.
An it'll probably be she lookingat the list that we all put just
a as a casual thing.
Why was asking the favoritematches?
The person that appeared themost out of the list with four
out of the five horsemen wasbooshy.
He goes, morris had a booshyversus eca coop had a bougie

(01:42:48):
versus tauna well if you had abushy versus omega and jakey us
so had a bushy versus eeg.
So he is as least at least interms of what our favorite
matChes where he was the guy whoappeared the most consistent and
memorable.
Why?
So I would say is number one,I'd probably put boost in omega,
like as tight as number two interms of like overall

(01:43:09):
performance.

Speaker 3 (01:43:10):
Yeah.
Yeah, I'd agree with that.
You'd also have to considertanahashi and ocado because they
did save the a block kinda.
I mean, I thought like, hey man,page saved it as much as anyone
else to be perfectly honest interms of like delivering good
matches like him and, and youknow,

Speaker 5 (01:43:29):
honestly, I mean I know he's not like the most
popular boy in the world, butlike, yeah.
Oh, alcan was like elegant wasgood.
I thought I thought that matchagainst tanahashi was like
awesome until they fucked up thefinish.
I was really on board with thatmatch.
I liked that one a lot, but itkind of messed up that like roll
up.
Yeah, at

Speaker 3 (01:43:47):
the end.
Yeah.
But I mean the, the b block wasjust so unfair if only by virtue
of the fact that like some guysjust have amazing chemistry with
each other and in one block youhad ecg, goto, knight, auto,
booshy, omega, zack, saber, jr.

(01:44:08):
And almost all of those guys,you know, there are some
exceptions to this kind of roundrobin of amazingness, but almost
everybody has amazing chemistrywith everybody.
Yeah.
two of them and put them in aring.
Yeah.
That's kind of what the magic ofb block was, was that like, it
was just hard to find a badmatch outside of tama, like

(01:44:28):
everything in like juiceelevated himself this year.
Whereas he had like some reallygreat matches with a lot of
different guides and a lot ofdifferent styles.
Like it was just, it was alights out block and in the best
block like ecg, you add the bestmatches across the board.
I mean it's, I don't know, we'resplitting hairs here.

(01:44:49):
that's probably him into booshy

Speaker 8 (01:44:52):
the one thing and it kind of piggybacks on what the,
your, your match pick theirjakey.
But um, what, what do you guyssee for booshy?
Like after[inaudible], like, youknow, he made it to the finals,
which is, which is great, youknow, but does this elevate his,
his status in the company atleast for the time being?

(01:45:13):
I mean we, we don't even knowhis, you know, he's not a new
Japan guy so to speak, you know.
But yeah,

Speaker 3 (01:45:19):
pretty sure he signed a contract.
I don't know if I can find itanywhere, but like the last,
like he, he wrestled in a rickychose shoe produce show this
year in which a couple of othernew Japan guys did, so that's
not out of the ordinary.
And then last year he did likean ex was show and then he did,
he, he caused played as asamurai and the big ddt show,

(01:45:42):
but like 98 percent of hismatches have been new Japan and
I would be inclined to thinkthat he's being like either held
in a holding pattern forsomething greater or he's going
to be put into an ic title typetype situation.
But I mean all of that's on holdprobably until wrestle kingdom,

(01:46:08):
you know, because of.
Because of jericho.
So it's either.

Speaker 8 (01:46:14):
Apparently there's a tweet, a uncle dave tweeted out,
someone asked is abruzzi signed?
And so uncle dave says he's notsigned.
And then he said, of coursewe'll talk about the booking in
a few minutes doing a show.
So this was, I'm sure he talkedat all about it on observer last
night.

Speaker 3 (01:46:31):
Okay.
It's a curious thing because ifhe is not, he's still not going
anywhere, you know, like he hasthe opportunity to wrestle and a
lot of different promotions buthe doesn't do it.
So it's a, it's a curiousrelationship.

Speaker 8 (01:46:47):
Yeah, it is.
Interesting.
So I mean you would think thoughthat

Speaker 1 (01:46:50):
if they put him in the finals, you know, that they
do have some sort of plans forhim.

Speaker 3 (01:46:57):
Tanahashi overnight toe.
Like noBody would have sneezedat that.
Nobody would've thought thatwould've been a bad thing.
They didn't have to have likethree times last year though.
Yeah.
But yeah, but we're going to seeokada or we're going to see
tonah okada for the third time.
That's on a different level.

(01:47:18):
It's on a different level butwe're still seeing the same
shit.
Like nobody would have sneezedat it, like, like be blocked,
didn't have to go down the waythat it did and it did for a
reason.
You know, who she didn't have todo it, you know?
I mean I guess so mega dependingon what they want.
It's, I dunno, like I don'tthink it was just like, well,

(01:47:41):
you know, we got a booshy let'sput them in the pot.
There's a lot to be said aboutlike a bougie losing that match
and basically just like gettingup and like hugging omega and
walking away with a ton of howshe's just like laying on the
ground and can barely breathe.
But is the winter blows my mindthat he's not signed though?
Like for most on both ends ofit?

(01:48:03):
yeah.
Like what, like, like at thispoint after this tournament sign
that fucking guy, like sign himlike, dude, well I know, I don't
know if it's as much as hedoesn't want to sign something
right now.
What do you mean?
But that's the weird thing.
Like if he just doesn't want tosign any, he wants to have that
freedom.
He's not doing anything, youknow, like he's not really, you

(01:48:24):
know, lord knows like ddt wouldhave him show up doing a random
thing.
Pgw would, you know, random ukindies and stuff like that.
It's not like, you know,throughout the year he's been
like front and center.
He's been riding shotgun withomega and being as buddy old
pal, you know, for a hot minutenow.
So it's.

(01:48:44):
I don't know, it's, it's a, it'sa weird dynamic to say the
least, but that's a bougie shit.
Yeah.
I mean the guy doesn't makesense in the majoRity of things
that it does.
No, that's partly major.
Wrestled for three quarters of ayear as a fucking cartoon
character pretended that itwasn't him.

(01:49:05):
Russell.

Speaker 1 (01:49:06):
Then the fucking cdo cwc, right.
The cruiserweight classic withweird.

Speaker 3 (01:49:11):
Just because you want him to do it.
He didn't want to sign acontract with them.
He just wanting to do it.
Yeah, I did it

Speaker 1 (01:49:15):
and they wanted to sign him and he didn't want it.

Speaker 3 (01:49:19):
Imagine if they signed zack saber jr.
It'd be on tour in david's haveterrible meshes or they wouldn't
be able to five live right now.
How about that?
We were in like their firstmatch early on was a low key

(01:49:39):
highlight of the tournament, thezack saber jr booshy match and
just like in a, in a two monthspan, in a six weeks, seven
weeks span.
We got like, I don't know,probably between each of them
like eight, nine, like amazinghigh, high caliber matches.
I mean they can be, they can bewrestling jet gal and her

(01:50:02):
though, man, umbrella man.
Like you know, people can youknow, talk aBout, you know, oh
you know, It's, it's whateveryou guys just, you know, it's
business and they go along tothe next thing.
They're always be great, youknow, matches with other guys.
People will step up.
But at the end of the day, likeif they had stayed in wwe, like

(01:50:25):
just looking back between thatstretch and now how many amazing
matches we would not eventalking to actually read your
use of algebra and was like thegroup like I would say that's
like the greatest evolve worldtitle.
Like run in history of evolve.
Like we wouldn't have gottenthat.
Like it is normal to lament whenguys get caught up in that

(01:50:50):
vortex and we don't get to seethe kind of matches we get to
see anymore.
Like that is something that issomething to be said about.
And the crazy thing is, is that,you know, nxt is still really
good.
It's a really, really goodpromotion, maybe even a great
promotion, but the sad fact ofeverything is, is that guys get

(01:51:12):
signed there and within a year,year and a half, they're gone
and they're ruined.
They're essentially ruined andnxt isn't like, you know, a
terrible place.
Plenty of guys have elevated orat least been on the same level.
But when you're looking at allof these people, men and women
alike getting signed, the bestcase scenario is then delivering

(01:51:33):
the same quality of matches forone more year.
And then poof,

Speaker 7 (01:51:38):
it's baffling.
It's baffling because it's onething if you look at the
difference of, okay, maybe agastyles isn't going to go to the
wbf in b, you know, new Japan,aj styles or you know, maybe
nakamura sandbagging it.
But if you look at, if you lookat finn balor like or bobby

(01:52:00):
roode, Who I don't particularlylike, like they would do in it,
right in your company already.
And then you brought them up andfucking blew it.
It's unbelievable.
It's like, it's like, you know,it's, it's like, doesn't, it
makes, it's like wwf is a gianttax write off, like gets almost
made to fail.
It just doesn't make any sense.
It's like,

Speaker 3 (01:52:21):
well that's the thing, right?
Like that's the kind of likehilarious irony of it all is
that like, you know, on acritical level there, you know,
the, the most obvious sadfailure of a promotion ever
because they have like the bestcrop of talent that they've
ever, ever had.

(01:52:42):
And the product is the worstit's ever been, but it's been
more profitable

Speaker 4 (01:52:48):
tv rights.

Speaker 3 (01:52:49):
Yeah.
So like you know, we can be, youknow, you like someone you know,
can be like, oh look how amazingthings were and how much you're
blown it now.
And you can say I just got abillion dollars to show my show
that can barely break a twopoint.
Oh right.
You know,

Speaker 4 (01:53:10):
because we hired nakamoto, like logo people

Speaker 9 (01:53:13):
point like, you know, if ventures to reason that that
bubble is gonna burst.
You know what I mean?
In, in the.
I think the only thing thatmight save it is the fact that
more regardless that they got abillion dollars, like if there
is anyone out there and maybesomebody can be cynical and
that's not true there they don'texist, but if there is anyone

(01:53:36):
out there that's on that shownow that would rather be making
art, they're starting to beother places to work which will
breed competition, which youknow, maybe that's the long game
now because again, the whole,you know, there's been a big
paradigm shift because theybasically, as you said, got
because dollars for a productthat's out getting bad ratings
and not good, you know, whoknows, you know, like there's

(01:53:58):
everything that I think I knowabout wrestling has changed now,
which is a weird thing.

Speaker 3 (01:54:03):
failing upward is a very american tradition.
Sure.
So I just stopped those.

Speaker 9 (01:54:10):
I'll never forget Kevin Smith talking about the
guy that produced batman.
Used to be a, like some.
I can't remember.
Some famous singers.
Hairdresser.

Speaker 3 (01:54:22):
Oh, you're taLking about peter.
Peter something or other.
Yeah.
You worked with jerrybruckheimer.
He's the guy who came up withthe big giant spider thing that
showed up in wildfire to.
What wasn't that movie shampoobased off him was.
He was barbra streisand ahairdresser.

(01:54:45):
Um, yeah.
I mean, you know, that's,that's, that's how shit goes.
You know, what can you do?

Speaker 4 (01:54:54):
John peters features that we eat or something.
John peters, the shampoo wastotally based off of him.
Random ass trivia.
I liked watching new Japan prowrestling and buddha hall.
That was a great venue Likeready for lIke kentico bosch to

(01:55:15):
just walk out at anytime.
You just reminded me of all theamazing, like noah matches I've
seen over the years like thatbuilding is synonymous,
synonymous with like.
no to me it didn't, didn't knowJapan run there before noah.
Always thinking no, just.
I think it's just mat outsideand everything and just know it.
To me.

Speaker 9 (01:55:33):
Building left witness our.

Speaker 12 (01:55:36):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:55:37):
Yeah.
So we were starting to talkabout mvps.
I don't know how far we got.

Speaker 9 (01:55:42):
I think that statistically,

Speaker 6 (01:55:44):
statistically we landed on a bougie, but I think
the, the general tenor of theconversation was leaning very
heavily towards eca.

Speaker 11 (01:55:52):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (01:55:53):
And I'm totally okay with that.
And you gotta you gotta say youromega to, you know, obviously
has to be in the conversationbecause I mean, every, every
match he had was, was, wasquality, you know, whether or
not you'd like to know thatthat's, you know, it's up to
each individual.
But, you know, he had a fuckinggreat tournament as well.

Speaker 10 (01:56:13):
yeah.
I even didn't hate his matchwhat tama Tonga.
And I felt like the outcome inthat, which that almost gets
spoiled for you will feel asclose.
I deleted it before anybody sawit, but, uh, the um, uh, you
know, like, I didn't think theeeg tama Tonga match was that

(01:56:34):
great.
but I did enjoy the booshy one.
So like if with that, and Ilove, I really liked the yano
cota booshy one.
So I think he's my mvp in loveand wrestling.
He's so dreamy.

(01:56:54):
I just want to count as hisback.

Speaker 12 (01:57:01):
Well that's my fingers up and down like oh my
god.

Speaker 10 (01:57:09):
Wash your dirty underwear on it.
Yeah, like a cock and spiel.

Speaker 12 (01:57:19):
Wow.

Speaker 6 (01:57:27):
Alright.
Well was there anything else onthe tournament we wanted to hit?

Speaker 8 (01:57:31):
Well, yeah.
One thing I would like to talkabout is what do you guys see
happening from the.
So I mean do we see omega andtanahashi and if so, like what?
What's their, what's theirhistory?
I'm trying to think back.

Speaker 6 (01:57:48):
They had, they had the, they had a intercontinental
title match like two years agoand then it was leading up to
the first ever lighter match innew Japan history.
That's kind of how she gotinjured.
So then it was omega andelegant.
So it seemed like they weren'tgoing to start bouncing the
title back and forth betweentanahashi and omega before
townhouse you got injured andthen he was kind of out until

(01:58:09):
the[inaudible] that year andthey kind of just, that's when
omega just took off and one thatyou want and had the match
cancel kata and tanahashi wasjust kind of in the rear view
mirror at that point.
So it's kinda like rekindlingthis thing from two years ago
that they never really finished.
So I really hope that nothingcrazy comes out of this where a
mega loses a title or tanahashiloses his briefcase because I
want to see that master as akingdom.

(01:58:30):
I think it will like delivertenfold.
Does that mean we're going toget a letter match at wrestle
kingdom?
No, absolutely man event.
But I'm confident it will be anamazing.
I really hope it happens.

Speaker 3 (01:58:42):
It's basically a, a protective match and it's been
protected for quite a whilealong with the fact that it, you
know, if you want to attachmeaning to it is a pretty clear
representation of the old guardversus new guard.
The global approach versus thehomegrown hero so to speak.
And there's a lot to play off ofthat there.
Plus it gives kenny or reason todespise tadashi by having him,

(01:59:07):
pete, his golden lover and hisfriend and his bud.
So I'm looking forward to it.
It would be really lamentablelike honestly like I don't know,
I wouldn't be sad to see okadaomega, you know, part four, part
five rather.
But like I'd rather just seethem hold true and do something

(01:59:33):
cool with omega and tanahashibecause this feels like as great
as this feels, it does feel likea, you know, a, a holdover or
not a hold of her, but like youknow, something to, to keep the
tokyo dome warm until 20, 20when they had to sell it out.

Speaker 6 (01:59:51):
I know people joke about cnn everything, but it is
kind of crazy too that like theystill can't have a tokyo domain
event without ocado or tanaseheadlining boucher.
Meg and I was like, we'refinally now getting caught a ton
of hotshoe we've had for thelast 10 years, but there's
still, it's got to be one ofthem.
But I feel like this might, thismight be the last one unless

(02:00:11):
okada, isn't it next year?

Speaker 3 (02:00:12):
Yeah.
I mean at the end of the day,like as much as we love omega
booshy, I don't know if thatreally sells more tickets the
last year, but if you havetanahashi and the main event,
especially after the run he hadand how like whipped into a
frenzy, the local crowd waslike,

Speaker 6 (02:00:32):
it was crazy.
Like I, I'd Seem like there wasa lot more.
it was like 50 slash 50 to startlike a bougie tanahashi booshy
town hotshoe.
But like bY the end of thatmatch, like everyone in buda
condom was like tanahashitanahashi, like

Speaker 3 (02:00:45):
you just won them over.
He was greaT.
Use the ace.
Let's all goes.
Yes, he is the ace.
The ace of hearts.
That's what I said.
Well that's what I see the aceof coop.

Speaker 8 (02:01:02):
I don't really.
Yeah, I mean I think it wouldbe.
I think it would be adisappointment if that match
didn't happen at this point.
You know, if, if you know,someone took the briefcase or
the title from omega, you know,but I mean until, until such a
time that we need to not havefaith in quito.
I, I have faith in quito and youknow, I know jackie you were

(02:01:23):
talking about there is somepotential for some scariness on
the horizon with uh, with HaroldMay kind of taking more of a,
you know, on camera roll.
But you know, I'm, I'm hopingthat that's just sort of really
goIng to be every once in abecause you know, the bcg with
them kinda running wild.

(02:01:43):
I, I could see needing anauthority figure out there to,
to kind of diffuse things.
So I guess I get it, you know,but until, until we have a
reason not to trust guido on,I'm still all in.
There

Speaker 7 (02:01:56):
should be a thing in the first place.
So frigging that Harold May isso fucking weird looking at.
It looks like fucking willy fromalf trying to stay down.
Bad luck.

Speaker 3 (02:02:08):
Fucking.
He doesn't seem like a very niceguy.
Seemed pictures of him wherehe's apparently like, hey, he
was hanging out the boot icanand like saying hi to people who
came up and wanted to talk tohim.
And he apparently he has likespecial stickers designated like

(02:02:28):
says like you are a super cooldude Japan fan or something like
that.
So it seems like a prettylikable dude.
Pretty outgoing And you know,I'm, I'm rooting for him.
Obviously I'm rooting for thispromotion.
I'm room for him to, you know,get us an app for and um, you
know, obvIously like do otherthings, other quality of life,

(02:02:50):
things like not show who won theone blocks for the finals.
Yeah.
Like, you know, I'm hoping thatsome outside perspectives can
kind of smooth out the edges.

Speaker 7 (02:03:07):
I just worry that in the process of trying to appeal
to more western fence, like theystart going about it the wrong
way and little little bits inways which you wouldn't buy me
if it's like small things, butlike some of the on air, like
things that seem like they'retrending towards more western
style is kind of a little bitfrustrated reading.
Yeah.
Yeah, for sure.
I feel like that might be just,you know, though he's.

(02:03:28):
How long has he been doing this?
Like you hit a point where youstop fucking repeating yourself,
you so you know, it's, I mean,let's put it this way, I forgot
to coop did it, but just thefact that he did that, paul
heyman style match transitionedtwice in a year.
Like that's the type of stuffthat scares me more than just

(02:03:50):
having a new person'sinvolvement because I bet you
for all we know how may doesn'tknow squat about anything, he
knows like, no, come stand hereand tell them to go away.
They know who you are and you'reimportant.
And you know what I mean?
Like it feels more like himthan, than that guy thinking
like, I want to be a tv star,you know?

Speaker 8 (02:04:07):
Yeah.
I would think so too.
It's probably more ghetto

Speaker 3 (02:04:11):
at the end of the day.
Like we're, we're probably gonnahave a better sense of it as, as
things go on because we can kindof shuffle it to be an oh that
weird.
She one thing, because a lot of[inaudible] stuff is self
contained.
Uh, but you know, if we'retalking about this coming
january and it's stillhappening, then yeah, I mean
the, the tenor is going to be alittle different.

(02:04:31):
It's going to be a little morecritical, but that's just how
it's got to be.
You know, what, it's the Zukiegun, have to do the exile and
whatever that is, tell thetongass noah could use some time
of Tonga,

Speaker 6 (02:04:47):
put half sTock into another company and then just
ship the tongans or tongansaren't throwing young lions at,
at Harry May.
So that's probably why theycould buy stock in a heat up.
Megan.
Yeah.
Megan, probably by heat uphonestly.

Speaker 8 (02:05:10):
So I guess, I don't know, I think we've kind of
exhausted the gun.

Speaker 6 (02:05:14):
Yeah.
I'm going to try.
I'm trying to think of any likebig things or things that stuck
out to me that we haven't talkedabout, but I can't really think
of any.

Speaker 8 (02:05:22):
Yeah, I'm sure there's other stuff, but then
we've touched on a lot of thesort of big ticket items so to
speak.
Uh, you know, and as far as uh,you know, I know we talked a lot
about switchblade j white, but Ithink that his shtick kinda got
a little old as the tournamentwent on, so I don't think, you
know, at first I thought he wasgoing to be like the mvp, like

(02:05:43):
he had a great start but I thinkafter that it just kind of was a
little bit of more of the samefor him.
So, uh, but hey man page, youknow, was, was a standout for
sure.
When, I know we briefly touchedon him.
Do you guys see anything fromanything different from yoshi
hotshoe?
I know we talked about that andthey sort of alluded to

(02:06:03):
something in the commentary, butdo you guys see anything
different or is it just going tobe the same fucking paula deen
haircut?
Dude,

Speaker 3 (02:06:12):
it's funny.
I have, I would've thought hewould if it wasn't for tai-chi
within his ass because itbecause honestly like I know we
kind of shit on him, but he hadsome pretty good matches this
tournament.
They weren't, you know, blowaway or anything like that.
But he wasn't, he wasn't out ofhis element.
I think he had bad matches withsuzuki and folly, but the other

(02:06:33):
matches some of those I enjoyed.
Um, yeah, lIke it's just, youknow, he's just not on that
level for whatever reason.
He just hasn't figured anythingout and I don't know if they're
just setting up a mini kind ofprogram with aussie and he just
ends up going over tai-chibecause he's more established.
I don't know.

(02:06:54):
Um, but I mean, I don't have thehighest hopes for the guy.
He's not that talented.
He's not that charismatic, but,you know, he's a, I don't know.
I think there's a place for himthat's about it.

Speaker 6 (02:07:11):
I think the thing too is that he's like, he's not that
bad, but he's just like,surrounded by like amazing
wrestlers and it kind of makesthem stick out.
It's like worse than he actuallyis.
put yoshi harshly, like inanother promotion that isn't
new.
Japan, like he wouldn't be thatbad and he might stand out as
like one of the better guys.
She taught to ones the all Japanuntil tagged with them and made

(02:07:34):
them look a rejuvenated guy

Speaker 2 (02:07:36):
and I think you'll see how she could be 10 times
bryan danielson.

Speaker 9 (02:07:44):
You're the last one.
Who should make fun of me,motherfucker.
Who the rest of these guys don'tknow, but you know.

Speaker 2 (02:07:56):
Yeah, go ahead jake.
You're no good.
I was just going to say beforewe put a bow on this thing, I
want to make an announcement forthe next youtube party.
Forgot to do that at the top ofthe show.
Uh, but we're going to do thatfor people who don't know, like
we have like a channel where wecan show like wrestling matches
and there's a really cool kindof chat client attached to it

(02:08:19):
and it set a time.
A dot t v e t a t I m a.tv inour channel is m slash r slash
the five hoffman, five spelledout in rural, be doing a youtube
party.
I'll go ahead and say it will doit on September 8th because I'm
going to be in Mexico next weekand then the following week I'm

(02:08:43):
going to be working and then thefollowing week is labor day.
So that's like the soonest I cando it.
So September 8th is that.
Are you going to that gw show inchicago?
God, that's on that weekend.
Oh son of a bitch.
Okay.
I'm just don't do it in october.

(02:09:05):
October is off limits for us.
Yeah, exactly.
I can't do it this weekend.
And then I'm coming back on the25th so I can't do on the 25th.
I can't do it on the firstbecause that's labor day.
I can't do it on the eighth if Igo to gc, w.
So go with the 15th.
There we go.
I'm free and clear.

(02:09:26):
Um, and yeah, like we'll, we'llbe talking about on the facebook
group and we might even haveanother episode before that
happens as well.
We'll talk about it then.
But basically I'm a willprogram, like a series of
wrestling matches and assortedsilly things, silly videos,
commercials, you know, whatnot.

(02:09:48):
And we all just get together andwe chat about it and it's a
really, really fun time.
right?
I'll go ahead and say it willstart at 4:00 PM eastern
standard time and it'll gountil, I don't know, whenever we
decide to stop dancing.
What are you dancing?

Speaker 9 (02:10:03):
I am excited and I have to pee so I can't, I can't
contain it.
I me and jakey hung out thewhole time last time.
So it's going to be awesome.

Speaker 8 (02:10:13):
Yeah.
I'm hoping I can hang out forthis one.
I popped in briefly in the lastone.
There's a lot of fun, but uh,yeah, it's, it's a, it's a
really cool like for the peoplewho don't know what this.
Yeah, go to the bathroom.
Mars.
Jesus christ.
He's fucking dancing aroundhere.
For the people who haven't.
Who don't know what thIs is.
Basically everyone.
It just, there's a server thatsyncs up all the videos.

(02:10:33):
Everyone can chat.
It's basically just everyonehanging out watching the same
thing at the same time.
So it's really cool.
You guys can check out wrestlingfrom all over the fucking world.
Uh, last time you guys puttogether a great little program
of, you know, joshi, someclassic stuff, some newer stuff
and, and just some

Speaker 3 (02:10:52):
which, uh, which we try to cover everything like
death match stuff, like we tryto keep it kind of paced well
and like a large variety ofstuff.
Plus it's like a really sillykind of atmosphere because
there's a bunch of weird shitthat I'll throw in there and
it's, it's just a really goodtime and because everything
sinked up, you don't have tostart from the beginning and you
know, synchronize your watchesor assumption you can jump in

(02:11:14):
three hours into it or whateverand still have a really good
time.
We had a good amount of peoplethat weren't even interesting.
Yeah, because I, I do stuff likethis from my other podcast to
called the muscle, um, or wewatch action movies and it's
always just a really good timeto chat with like minded people
and it's not the mill creek.

(02:11:37):
Um, so yeah, just remember ifyou're going to mark it on your
calendar September 15th at 4:00PM eastern standard time.
I actually started a little bitearlier just to kinda like get
the playlist ready and handleall the, the, you know, little
ins and outs.
But yeah, it's, it's a lot, alot of fun.

(02:11:58):
I strongly encourage people tocheck it out, not just because
we're doing it, just because Iknow it's really, really fun and
I've always had a great timewhether it be for this show or
anywhere else.
It's just a cool experience tobe part of.

Speaker 8 (02:12:11):
Yeah, absolutely.
And, and actually, um, I, I hopewe do have one more episode
before just so we can get, youknow, let people know about it
and get as many eyes on itbecause it is a lot of fun.
And, and uh, you know, you guysprogrammed a great, great one
last time.
So I'm looking forward to this.

Speaker 3 (02:12:27):
Yeah, I'm already like compiling what it's going
to be and I've got some nice,you know, pretty deep ish cuts.
Um, particularly for the peoplethat will show up.
Like you're going to see some,some cold shit, some cool shit
you've never seen before.
I can get excited.
I get some ideas.
I'll message you jakey yeah,absolutely.
Yeah, it'll, it'll be, it'll bea collaborative thing and like

(02:12:48):
anybody that's on this podcastwill like, has the opportunity
to contribute so it'll be alittle bit of each of us in
this.

Speaker 8 (02:12:57):
Yeah.
So that'll be fun.
So September 15th, jakey saidprobably about four, starting
around four eastern and probablygoing all night until long into
the night.
Probably so.
So everyone kind of bookmarkthat and keep that, uh, in, in
the front of your head and thatshould be a lot of fun.
And do we know what we're doingnext week, next month yet guys,
what big shows are coming up inthe next month

Speaker 3 (02:13:20):
when you at least will be released sometime?
Yeah.
Yeah.
Unless say like, isn't it?
Yeah, unless they surprise uswith, with bowl over gonna have
to wait until october.

Speaker 2 (02:13:33):
There was peter n as in at the end of august, if I'm
not mistaken, ddts big summershow.
I'd like if we can get the sidefigured out exactly.

Speaker 8 (02:13:43):
There is um, I don't know if we want to do this or
not.
I know there's some discussion,but king of trios will probably,
I think it's the first weekendin september, so I know mars
isn't excited about the fieldthis year.
Yeah.

Speaker 10 (02:13:53):
Looks fucking ass.
And I love that guy and I lovethat federation, but that field
does not excite me.

Speaker 8 (02:13:59):
I don't know.
I think it looks fine.
The um, there was, there's ajoshi team, I forget which one
to joseph is the only one thisyear.
I think it was just one thisyear.

Speaker 2 (02:14:11):
Yeah, it's just one from tokyo.
Who is that?
Oh fuck.
That was my lips and anger.
It just sounded like you slityour belly button open and
completely deflated.
So it actually takes

Speaker 8 (02:14:27):
place at the end.
So it starts in August 31st.
So it's in, if it's in a fewweeks, we have, um, the teams
of.
Let's see, I'll just, I'm notgoing to name all the teams.
I'll name a couple that thatmight stick out.
There's a kick kick.
Atara is going to be teaming upwith los ice creams.
Wow.
Catholic, which is interesting.
There's the nexus alliance,which is pj black.

(02:14:48):
Michael michael tarver.
And fred ross, who is a, uh,darren young, so it's a nexus
team I guess, sucks re, bucknarrow pco and catarina lay who
is also known as a katie.
Katie virtual.
Yup.
A chris dickinson.
Cam's a gummy and brian maloneycert team.

(02:15:10):
I guess that's better than thereis a, the shimmer collective
which is madison eagles.
ShaZa mckenzie and jessica troymadison equals off.
Yeah, she's good.
There's a tokyo joshi likejackie had mentioned to me, a
mew yamashita.
Hugo says suck saki and shokonakajima and yeah, that's it

(02:15:33):
really.
It's a lot of, uh, chikaraoriginals, so to speak.
So it maybe not as star studdedas in years past, so

Speaker 10 (02:15:42):
even Less than last year, which I thought was not
very star studded it.

Speaker 8 (02:15:45):
Yeah.
They have a big ross, a bighomegirl roster now.
So I guess I can see that.
So I don't know.
I mean we'll, we'll decide.
We'll, we'll, we'll take a lookand I would like to do ddt.
So maybe to do

Speaker 2 (02:15:56):
well, I was wrong about ddt.
That's not until october.
Oh my god.
Jakey site, I'm pretty sure.
Yeah, exactly.
I'm pretty sure the camp sitematch is, I'm coming out in
august though, the one wherethey wrestle in the woods, so
that might be fun.
Um, cml anniversary shows onSeptember 14th, which might be a

(02:16:19):
little late for us to watch thatlast

Speaker 10 (02:16:24):
cut a promo on me that still has me like selling
it to this day.
It's like matt jackson's back.

Speaker 4 (02:16:30):
I was like, oh, I'm watching animals and you guys
fucking swooped in, gave thehigh hat.

Speaker 8 (02:16:38):
So yeah.
Well I guess instead of just,uh, you know, talking shit here,
I, we'll figure it out and we'lllet you guys know what we're
gonna do.
We'll, we'll pick a big shit allin ones that.

Speaker 4 (02:16:49):
Oh yeah, that's on the first.
I haven't really been payingattention to a tournament or
anything, but is there russellone yokohama show?
is that september on?
Oh, that already happened.
I'm pretty sure that alreadyhappen unless you're talking
about a different tournament.
Tournament leads up to theyokohama show is around saying,

(02:17:09):
oh, I'm going to show I lovethem.
They're like big show of theyear.
Isn't that like early, early,uh, late august, early
september?
Yeah.
But like, since we're dealingwith um, tv, I'm showing, it's
like we may not be able to it.
Yeah.
So I don't think that's aguarantee because the.
And then there's, the no isgreat voyage.

(02:17:32):
They're like second yokohamashow the year.
That's usually october, so wecouldn't do that.
Yeah, we'll figure it out andwe'll post it up on the social
media.

Speaker 8 (02:17:40):
Yeah.
So we're not sure yet.
There's a couple of options.
We'll figure it out and let youguys know.
But uH, I guess that's it.
we've covered our favoritematches, kind of our mvps and
uh, you know, kind of the, somethoughts on the booking of the
gun and you know, I would sayoverall, I mean this was a
fucking great tournament and youknow, like look, like was

(02:18:02):
mentioned maybe not quite asgood as last year, but there was
a lot.
It was very taught to every.
There's a Lot of great matches.

Speaker 4 (02:18:10):
Yup.
Yup.
Good stuff.
So.
Alright, well if you go.

Speaker 8 (02:18:15):
Yeah, if you guys have not yet followed us,
there's a few ways you can do soon social media.
We're pretty much the fivehorsemen everywhere.
We're on twitter, we're onfacebook or on instagram.
If you guys want to email us thefive horsemen@gmail.com and we
spelled a five out fiv.
So go ahead and look for us anda message us on social media if
you'd like, and if you guys havenot yet followed us or

(02:18:38):
subscribed to us, if this is thefirst time you're listening,
listening to the show, we'reavailable on apple podcasts, on
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So we're available in all thoseplaces and if you're so inclined
and you dig what we're doing, goahead and give us a five star
review just like uncle davewould do.
Has uncle dave left us a reviewyet guys?

(02:19:00):
Thanks.
So what would you give us?
One star?
Probably not again that uh, thatseven stars.
So.
Alright, well that is going todo it.
This is the shortest hoffmanever.
that's amazing.

Speaker 4 (02:19:16):
Maybe it's good if you combine it with the first
part of the[inaudible].
It's one of the longest episodeswe've ever.
No,

Speaker 8 (02:19:21):
fair enough.
There you go.
I'll go.
So it really is the longestepisode, not the shortest.
So I.
well thank you guys for joiningus for all this[inaudible] talk.
it was a great tournament and wehad a lot of fun talking about
it and watching it.
So hopefully you guys enjoyed itas much as we do.
Feel free to message us onsocial media.
Let us know your mvps, yourfavorite matches, and uh, what

(02:19:42):
you think is going to happenmoving forward.
We'd love to hear from you guys.
So.
Well.
Uh, everyone say goodbye, marsman.
Say goodbye to the folks.

Speaker 2 (02:19:50):
You guys gotta fix ddt because I was about to get
into that shit.

Speaker 8 (02:19:57):
All right.
So, uh, that's going to be.
It will see you guys for therest of the five hospital.
We'll see you next month.

Speaker 12 (02:20:34):
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