October 17, 2019 • 35 mins
In the thirty-sixth episode of the podcast, Casey and Alex discuss the film "A Dark Song." Enjoy this fun episode!
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Speaker 1 (00:09):
[inaudible].
Speaker 2 (00:13):
z
Speaker 3 (00:18):
and I'm Alex
Speaker 2 (00:20):
and we are going to discuss a film today that we
just got finished watchingcalled a dark song.
Speaker 3 (00:27):
Well first welcome back to[inaudible].
Well welcome back to your right.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
Alrighty.
I was there by myself.
Speaker 3 (00:38):
I am sorry you recorded without me knowing.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
Yeah, so that's also going to be part of I guess a
new format type of thing havingyou on when you can.
So probably every other episodeI would imagine.
So like kind of a biweekly onewith us together, one without,
anyway, so that's the new formatthat we're discussing.
So if you didn't check it outalready did an episode on a
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vendor's end game and the golfand finale on the previous
episode.
So we're also on a iTunes,Spotify, Google play music,
Stitcher.
Basically anywhere you're goingto finhellpd your podcasts send,
maybe YouTube.
We have a couple of episodes,but no we don't.
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Anyway,
Speaker 3 (01:26):
let's talk about the movie man.
Okay.
About the movie one.
Beautiful artwork.
The cinematography wasbeautiful.
Whales was beautiful.
The location for the movie.
I think it was the only locationfor the movie.
They didn't do multiple ones.
They can just stay them wills.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
Yeah.
I mean they were in the housepretty much the entire time.
And then the train station.
Yeah.
So not a whole lot of differentplaces, but yeah, the
cinematography was awesome.
I actually had to look up thecinematographer to see what else
they did and it doesn't seemlike a lot.
Same with the, uh, the actualdirector and writer of the film.
(02:04):
Um, not a whole lot.
Uh, now hold on.
Movies in there.
Um, also just nothing that I'veever heard of.
So Liam Gavin is the directorand writer for the film and it
looks like, when I'm looking atthe filmography, I mean there's
like six writing credits, sixdirecting credits for things
like short film, short film,short film, short film.
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So it looks like this is theirfirst full length movie, which
is pretty fucking impressive.
Speaker 3 (02:34):
Yeah.
This one was, I thought likemaybe I'd seen this movie before
and it has like a feel likeyou've seen it before, but you
had it,
Speaker 2 (02:42):
right, right.
It's, it's, I wouldn't call itderivative, but it's definitely
something that's in a way beendone before, obviously, um,
ritual and all of that kind ofstuff is in angels and demons
and blah, blah, blah and tryingto get revenge or trying to
bring back the kid or whatever.
(03:02):
By the way, spoiler alert,before we jump too far into it,
they're going to be spoilers.
So yeah, it is, it's like arefreshing take on something
that has been done before.
By the way, the, a, the maleactor, he reminds me a lot of
that, uh, dude, who's in likeShaun of the dead and a bunch of
those.
Speaker 3 (03:22):
Well, yeah, but a little more serious, but
Speaker 2 (03:25):
Oh, well, I'm worse yet.
Every time I looked at him, Iwas thinking, I was thinking of
that comedian.
I was like, Oh, that's, he'sbreaking[inaudible]
Speaker 3 (03:35):
take him seriously, honestly.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
Yeah.
Yeah.
You, you know, it's supposed tobe overbearing and aggressive,
but you're just like, eh, moreoff is no, I dunno.
Oh, he's definitely an asshole.
Especially the whole jerk andoff thing.
This supposed to be a sex ritual.
It's like, Nope,
Speaker 3 (03:59):
Nope.
I just needed to relieve myselfand I saw it coming.
Spoiler.
Of course, when he's likerubbing her back or putting the
symbols on her back, she takesoff her bra.
It's like the littlest thingsset him off.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
[inaudible] yeah, sometimes you just gotta beat
it.
And that's, that's the, yeah,that was one of the things that
I didn't, I think there were alittle inconsistent with the,
uh, the roles of the ritualbecause it's supposed to be all
this cleansing and all of this.
Did you have any sex?
(04:32):
Did you do this or do that?
And meanwhile, dude is likebeaten off and drinking whiskey
and smoking cigarettes, smokingweed.
So the question I guess is like,does his involvement, like is
that necessary for the ritual oris he just walking her through
(04:52):
the ritual?
Speaker 3 (04:53):
I feel like his involvement should have been
like a big part of it allbecause you need someone to act
it out and you need someone tobe physically involved in it.
But his involvement does play animportant role because one, she
had to drink his blood and hehas to recite everything, like
he has to recite it correctly.
So his involvement, he should'vebeen 100% in it to begin with
Speaker 2 (05:17):
you would think.
But let, once again, a lot ofthe, the actual um, ritual parts
like the meditating for a fewdays and he said that like he
needed her for it and blah,blah, blah for him to be able to
accomplish what he wanted.
Um, so yeah, I don't know towhat degree he was involved.
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I know the drinking of the bloodthing was actually not necessary
for the ritual that was becauseshe wouldn't like the
forgiveness part of the ritualsince she wouldn't do it, it
required a blood sacrifice tocircumvent that.
And then it turns out, ofcourse, that that is the entire
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reason why she needs to do theritual in the first place.
So like, yeah, so that is, Iguess one of the themes that's
being explored is, is the ideaof forgiveness and um, to what
degree of sin can you forgivesomeone and to what degree are
you willing to put your life andyour faith and your soul on the
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line for revenge and to justavoid forgiving people and
forgiving yourself.
And yeah, so there was a lot ofthose different themes involved.
Speaker 3 (06:36):
She lied a lot.
She lied a lot because at firstshe's like, I miss my husband or
the guys she used to love andit's like, no, it's about my
kid.
I want to hear my kid again now.
Like they already are deep intothis whole ritual.
I want vengeance.
Oh my kid is such a dumb.
Speaker 2 (06:54):
And that's when he called her.
He's like, you know, I, wecould've just done that the
whole time.
I'm not judging you.
You can get revenge.
You just need to be fuckinghonest with me.
Yeah.
And that's, that's the thing isthey kept doing the ritual over
and over cause she kept fuckingit up.
And it's just, I mean, he'slike, well, you have to do this
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exactly correct or it won'twork.
And then she's like, well, whyisn't it working?
It's like, well, because you'relying to me because you're not
taking this seriously.
You're not doing exactly what Itell you to do.
Like there's like at a certainpoint, if you're literally
spending months on end trying tolike communicate with the other
world and there's an exact setof rules that you need to follow
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and you keep fucking the rulesup that's kind of on you.
Plus it was annoying that shesaw so many signs and she does
ignore them.
Speaker 3 (07:48):
Oh my gosh.
The cold gleaning from the sky,the toy, it moving, just the dog
park.
Everything was a fucking Sy.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
Yeah.
Even when she was like, Oh, I'mnot seeing that sign.
And then the bird flies in thewindow.
He's like, that's a sign.
It's a black bird flew into thewindow.
Another thing though that Ithink broke the rules.
She wasn't supposed to cross thesalt barrier and he said that
she would be trapped.
I thought he said a truckforever, but she did cross a all
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barrier and then she wasn't introuble.
Speaker 3 (08:19):
But then he also died.
Speaker 2 (08:22):
Well, I mean that wasn't in the game plan, but
yeah, I mean I guess in a way hewas the sacrifice.
But it also, yeah, it also left,um, the, the question, cause he
brought up the idea of whethershe thought he was involved and
she wanted revenge on the peoplethat were involved with her
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child's death or disappearanceor whatever.
And then of course he likebasically gets stabbed.
Like
Speaker 3 (08:52):
I kept saying that it's like his, like the way that
she picked him specifically andhe already knew how to do this.
It just didn't make sense in thefact that he was suffering for,
he died.
And like she did say she wantedthem to suffer before they died
and then be damned forever.
Like it look like he's gonethrough that.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
Yeah.
And he was in hell when she wentdown there.
Yeah.
So I guess he has damn for, Imean, you can only fuck with so
much of that shit before you getdamned.
Anyway.
I would assume, I know I'm not areligious person or anything
like that, but if you're rollingwith this idea that like demons
and archangels and guardianangels and all this shit exists
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yet fucking with Blatch andblack magic, it's probably a
ticket to hell.
Speaker 3 (09:39):
It's like what form of black magic was that cause
throughout the movie they'reshowing like different religions
and different languagesthroughout each one.
Is it all Christianity or is itlike different forms of
religion?
Cause I know the Japanese andalways worship Christianity.
Speaker 2 (09:55):
No, they were definitely pulling from
different religions.
I think the idea, they didn'tstate it, but I think the idea
was that like every religion ismaybe right to some extent.
You don't have to pull all ofthem together to get the full
picture.
You know what I mean?
I think that's kind of what theywere, they were getting at is
that like everyone was a littlebit right, but then when you
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shove it all together you gotit.
Speaker 3 (10:20):
That's the first time I've ever seen that done in a
movie too.
Like each religion has its owntake on the whole ritual.
In like info[inaudible]
Speaker 2 (10:29):
well that's what I'm saying is I think maybe each
part of the ritual was taken inpart from different things
instead of all one a thing.
Also, it's interesting that hesaid that he's seen demons,
angels, but I think he said godsplural.
So there is the concept thatlike it's more than because
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Christianity is monotheistic, sothere are more religions
involved, neuro more God'sinvolved.
So basically the mythologybehind this is pretty abstract
because it pulls from a lot ofideas and a lot of rituals and a
lot of different things.
Um, and kind of crams themtogether into its own mythology.
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And because it's only one movie,like they don't really have to
take the time to explain any ofit.
They're just like, this is howit works.
And you're just like, seemslegit.
Like you explained enough of itthat it seems to make sense, but
not so much of it that you startasking too many questions
Speaker 3 (11:32):
just like him and be like, out all starts.
I liked this house.
Let me throw down a bunch ofcash on it and let me throw down
a bunch of cash on this randomdude.
Like they really give you nocontext as to what's going on at
that moment.
Speaker 2 (11:44):
Yeah, she's going to have to use that 70 grand or
whatever to clean that house.
She left her mass.
Yeah, they know our name.
I mean, unless she disappearedsomewhere.
I'm still curious about that carat the end besides just the show
that there were other people onthe road.
Well, I don't, why would she, Imean she basically hit his body.
(12:07):
I mean she put it out into thewater and it got sucked under.
So I think the assumption wasthat something took it under so
the body's gone.
So basically the only issue isthere's like a mess in the house
and DNA with like, well, with 70grand you can definitely afford
a maid, clean up crew.
Speaker 3 (12:25):
The only thing she cleaned was like the hand prints
off the wall.
Speaker 2 (12:28):
Well that's my point is you could probably bring in a
cleanup crew to completely cleanthe house from top to bottom.
That only costs you a couplethousand dollars, I would think.
Right?
Speaker 3 (12:37):
Yeah.
But this is what kills me.
She did all this just to hearhis son's voice and trust me,
she heard her son's voice coupleof goddamn times on this movie
and they didn't give up afterthat
Speaker 2 (12:49):
trying to scare you con[inaudible]
Speaker 3 (12:52):
I'm just using your son's voice to scare you.
Speaker 2 (12:57):
Yeah.
But once again, we, we did findout that it wasn't just hearing
her son's voice.
So that was bullshit to beginwith.
I didn't like the hell houndthing that they brought in the
idea of a hell hound.
Um, and the, her actually havingto descend into hell and then
return to receive grace andforgiveness.
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It was kind of, I don't know,Dodd tasting.
It was some sort of allegory.
They kept mentioning Solomon too, which was, um, I guess known
for his wisdom and the results.
Some other worldly shit withthat too.
So she kept calling him Solomon,which makes sense I guess, cause
he's guiding her and he's, andit's funny that everything was
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redacted after he died.
And I was wondering if that was,if he did that or if that was
the spirits that did it.
Speaker 3 (13:44):
You mean?
You mean after he died?
Speaker 2 (13:46):
Yeah.
All, everything was crossed outafter he died.
I'm wondering if he did that orif the spirits did that.
Speaker 3 (13:54):
I can't.
I don't, I don't remember.
Cause you remember he, his bodydid turn up at the bottom of the
stairs along with like vomit andwhat
Speaker 2 (14:02):
[inaudible].
And there's also like the, thevarious spirits are, I think
there were demons, but whateverthey were, I don't know.
They looked like they had theirown kind of personalities to
them.
And I'm gonna kinda, I was kindacurious to see like what they
were cause like there wasdifferent ones in the house and
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it, I guess they didn't reallyexplain any of it, whether it
was souls or demons, although itseemed like maybe she literally
has her demons calling at herback when she's trying to see
her Archangel angel and ask forthe ability to forgive.
So I feel like that was a bigmetaphor that she had to escape
hell with demons on our back.
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And beg for the ability toforgive,
Speaker 3 (14:47):
but maybe it's the other souls that got trapped
there.
Cause this, this whole ritualhas to be repeated.
I don't know how many times toknow that if you fail, you're
basically fucked.
So it was probably all thepeople who failed.
Speaker 2 (15:00):
Maybe also, I don't understand why they took one of
her fingers.
She broke away.
She did.
But I'm so, I mean that's from afilmmaking standpoint, I'm
wondering, first of all, theywere using like a bolt cutters,
which is kind of a natural worldthing.
(15:22):
It's kind of weird that theywould use that.
And how, um, second of all, itwas just once again an
interesting that they decided totake a finger.
Maybe it was some kind of asacrifice.
Um, also it was her ring finger.
I don't know if that wasimportant.
It was or ran your finger on herleft hand and she was unmarried,
the entire movie.
(15:42):
And she was initially saying itwas about her ex or whatever.
So maybe that was somehowsignificant.
I have no idea.
Speaker 3 (15:51):
Well, I want to know where the boy's father was with
this boy cause she nevermentioned the boy's father.
Speaker 2 (15:57):
Right.
And that's what I'm saying isum, he wasn't really involved.
That's my dog.
He's being annoying.
He wasn't really involved.
So I'm not exactly sure whatthat was all about and what the
finger gets.
[inaudible]
Speaker 3 (16:10):
fuck sister.
I take my sister has somethingto do with it.
Speaker 2 (16:14):
What the kid disappeared.
I don't, I think her sister, Ithink her sister was supposed to
represent like the op the otherside of like her sister's got a
nice family with two kids thatare alive and she's trying to
pull her sister out from thedarkness and her sister's like,
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well you know it's easy for youto believe in God and it's easy
for you to believe that thingsare going to work out because
you have a good life and my lifeis difficult so it's more
difficult for me to, so I thinkit was just supposed to show a
contrast.
I am curious cause she keep, shesaid that her kid was taken and
they said that they never foundthe body.
(16:56):
So I didn't know if that wasgonna come into place somehow
that like maybe he's notactually dead.
Speaker 3 (17:03):
Yeah, yeah.
Cause we never see the results.
Like her son never comes to herand actually speaks to her.
Speaker 2 (17:09):
[inaudible] well, once again, that wasn't her
goal.
When she saw her Archangel, shehad the ability to ask for what
she wanted and the thing thatshe wanted was to be able to
forgive.
So instead of asking to see herson, she decided to see that was
the thing to shoot the wholemovie was her stewing and her
resentments.
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And finally she gets theopportunity to get revenge or be
selfish and see your kid again.
In a sense, she chooses to bealtruistic and ask for the
ability to forgive
Speaker 3 (17:42):
because she pop.
Honestly, in my opinion, becauseshe does put like the kid, the
kid, as I say, which isn't him,he says that she was late to
pick him up.
Hence the reason why it's herfault that he's gone.
So probably she's doing that toforgive herself cause she blames
herself so much for hisdisappearance.
Speaker 2 (18:02):
Hmm.
And she was tortured and damned.
So I guess she got what shewanted, the person responsible
to some extent that she wasresponsible and yeah.
So I don't know.
It's tricky.
I like the arc.
Then started the guardian angel.
That was kind of crazy.
Speaker 3 (18:21):
He handles the superiors in the room.
Huge.
Like this massive dude just witha sword, his legs out and stuff.
He looks on majestic and hiseyes are glowing for no apparent
reason.
And then his eyes stoppedglowing sometimes and they
started glowing again.
I was like so confused.
Speaker 2 (18:38):
I liked that there was that little smile, a little
smirk when she decided to askfor, for like the ability to
forgive and he was like, see,there you go.
You figure it out.
There you go.
You got it.
I knew you'd get it eventually.
Speaker 3 (18:54):
So let's talk about how he died.
So she's arguing with them,they're going back and forth and
suddenly gets a knife stuck inhis side.
Gratefully.
I didn't watch her take out theknife cause I'm very squeamish.
Speaker 2 (19:07):
It wasn't even that bad.
She just kind of pulled it out.
It wasn't, there was no likeskin tog or anything.
She just literally did that.
Yeah.
Obviously it wasn't cleanedsince it got infected.
It looks clean.
I guess it wasn't
Speaker 3 (19:22):
like w what, why did he have to die in such a way?
Speaker 2 (19:27):
Why did he have to die at all?
I'm not really sure.
It was interesting.
That's when I was thinking about, um, how he said that he wanted
to be invisible and when he waslaying in bed and she was in
that one room, she saw somebodysmoking and when she went, there
was no one there.
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So I guess that was kind of himbeing invisible, maybe not a
suit sort of thing.
Some reference to that.
Speaker 3 (19:54):
Realize when that figure was smoking, it was
smoking actual cigarette.
Meanwhile, the things that healways smoked were hand rolled.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
Yeah.
But you can handle allcigarettes.
I don't know.
It was, I don't know who else itwould be though.
That wouldn't be smoking.
I mean he wanted to be invisibleand that thing was invisible.
So that's the only thing that Ican really think of.
I do think it's funny cause he'ssaying like he wanted to be
invisible and he's like notbecause of what you're thinking
about, which is perving I wouldimagine since he wanted to jerk
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off to her, she's like, Oh, youwant to be invisible?
Huh?
So you can go into the girls'locker room.
Is that what that's about?
No, I just want to disappearfrom the world.
And you kind of did, you're outin the middle of the fucking
woods for months with just oneother person.
I mean like if you want me tofuck off and disappear from the
world, you already did it, sir.
Speaker 3 (20:45):
Exactly.
There goes your wish.
You're going got paid too andgot paid to die.
Speaker 2 (20:49):
Yeah.
You got, he dude went off thegrid completely for months.
I mean you think he'd be happy,but he was miserable, man.
That's, he was just smashingshit all over.
And I get it though.
Like he's like, this is whatyou're paying me for.
Also, I'm sure he was gettingfrustrated cause he wanted his
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wish to be granted too.
It's been fucking months andmonths and they keep having to
restart the ritual and thenshe's finally like, I was lying
to you and he's like this, thisbitch, this bitch.
And I told you from thebeginning when I cut myself when
you said that you spoke German.
Well yeah and she didn't.
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So it's like she just wouldn'tstop lying and like I understand
this is some dark shit she'sdealing with, but she's
literally trying to like reachinto the fucking nether realm.
I think there are darker thingsthat play than like you wanting
revenge.
Speaker 3 (21:49):
I just can't comprehend her character.
It's like you want to be on herside but she just spews
everything.
It's just I want to like her butI really can't and I'm more so
standing on his side at thispoint cause it's like she
basically caused his death evenif she didn't mean to or not.
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She almost killed herself in theprocess too.
And she doesn't realize whatshe's doing.
Speaker 2 (22:16):
Yeah, he is straight, straightforward and honest the
entire time.
And she kept that.
Yeah.
Well, besides the second offthing, that's true.
But so she kept questioning itand it kept working and under a
certain point I get it that shewas still on the fence, but at a
certain point she knew it wasworking and she still kept lying
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and she still kept fuckingaround with the ritual on.
It's like, I would get mad too.
I mean, it's just like, come ondude, you know, it's working,
you're seeing it working andyou're still trying to bullshit
your way through it.
It's like you want revenge?
We're fucking with demons here.
Like just tell me, you know whatI mean?
Like you're already fucking withthe, ah, the other world and she
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knows it there.
I mean, that was just trying toreach her guardian angel, but
you know, I don't know.
You know what I mean?
Speaker 3 (23:10):
He did not forgive him at all for, okay, now that
we keep talking about the sexy,unless we're just talking about
the whole sexy one, there wasn'tany intercourse.
Uh, he just like says, take offyour clothes.
You know she's ready to have sexwith them.
Cause that's what he says.
And he just like beats off onthe chair.
It's like bend over.
He finishes, which was prettyfreaking quick.
Speaker 2 (23:32):
Reminded me of like Louis C K cause he's got the red
beard and then the bald head.
And he's sitting there beatingit and I'm like,
Speaker 3 (23:42):
and he's like, yeah, no this was private.
I just needed to relieve.
And the fact that she did notforgive him, she just got back
at him.
I think that was probably alsothe cause.
Like he probably got sick fromthat.
Speaker 2 (23:59):
I dunno.
I mean you can drink pee.
It's sterile,
Speaker 3 (24:04):
not hers.
No, she was fascinating.
Drink cans blooded and all typesof shit.
Speaker 2 (24:08):
I don't know.
I mean I think she'd be fine.
I have a fasting.
Doesn't fuck up your PIs.
I don't know.
Whatever point being, I like theritual part.
So I thought that was kind ofinteresting.
Speaker 3 (24:20):
Oh yeah, just get rain.
Oh yeah.
Have cold water.
Pour it onto you.
Let me drown you first withouttelling you.
She was pretty pissed on thatone.
Speaker 2 (24:28):
Yeah, she wanted revenge.
So badly that she literally wentlike two days at a time with no
food and water, just staring ata rock like, man, you must be
super pissed.
Really pissed off.
Speaker 3 (24:43):
I'm just going to stare at this rock for two days,
piss on myself at the same time.
Speaker 2 (24:49):
And that wasn't just two days.
Remember it was like two daysand then they ate and then she
went two more days and they ateand she went to, she had to go
six days at a time.
Speaker 3 (24:57):
Double that because they had to restart.
Speaker 2 (25:00):
Well, I mean at a T, yeah.
Each time she did it, they hadto do six days of basically not
eating or drinking and she wasdoing all this knowing that she
was fucking up the ritual, youknow, it's like at a certain
point it's like, come on man,you know, you're not, you're,
you're lying so it's not goingto work.
So you're just sitting therestaring at a rock and pissing on
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yourself for literally noreason.
Speaker 3 (25:24):
Yeah.
That's probably why she had todie.
Honestly.
She did die.
We all know that.
Speaker 2 (25:28):
Yeah.
He drowned her and then she cameback and was reborn
Speaker 3 (25:34):
piss buttery book.
Speaker 2 (25:35):
Yeah.
Well I'm sure if he said I'mgonna drown you, she'd be like,
yeah.
So he's just like, ah, we'vealready tried doing this the
easy way, so I'm just going todrown this bitch.
Speaker 3 (25:47):
I was wondering like if he can't resuscitate her,
this is gonna be a bad shirt foreverybody.
Speaker 2 (25:53):
Yeah.
Whoops.
Yeah.
Wonder what happens in that,like if he couldn't finish the
ritual or whatever, if he bestuck in that house or what do
you have to do with himself?
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (26:05):
Honestly at the keys regardless, stuck there even
after he died because he gotpulled into like, what was it
pawn that's like right behindthe house.
Speaker 2 (26:13):
Yeah.
Well also like apparently he wascapable of doing the ritual, so
I don't know why he didn't do it.
Speaker 3 (26:21):
It seems like he's done it already, so awesome.
Well yet.
But he also lied in thebeginning.
He's like, you can't find thison the internet
Speaker 2 (26:31):
then in front of it.
Well no, he PR he found someparts of it.
And I don't think you found theentire ritual on the internet.
He just, it was just printingpages from some main ancient
texts.
But yeah, I don't know why.
Like, cause he's making her doit and he knows how to do it.
He knows all the rules.
So I don't know why he's notdoing it to people to do it.
(26:53):
Maybe it was also funny causelike he, he only succeeded one
out of three times withoutspecific ritual.
I mean I guess they also makereference to him.
Um, you know, Oh I'm a warrior.
Demons are afraid of me.
I they made a lot of referencesto the fact I've seen God's,
(27:15):
I've seen demons, I've seenangels.
So if you only got that ritualto succeed once, I guess the
implication is that he doesother rituals too, you know?
Speaker 3 (27:26):
Yeah.
Cause then like why would shepersonally hire him then?
Cause he looked like he seessome shit regardless when she
first met him.
Speaker 2 (27:35):
Yeah.
I don't know.
So overall did you like themovie?
Speaker 3 (27:43):
Yes.
So I still have many questions.
Speaker 2 (27:46):
I do as well.
I was thinking about doing somemore research beforehand, but
yeah,
Speaker 3 (27:50):
I'm honestly thinking, you know the person
who loaned her the house are,they're going to find that shit.
Speaker 2 (27:59):
Yeah, I was thinking that.
Especially if like she didn'tget rid of the body.
You just show up and there's adead body and there's stuff
smeared all over the walls and abunch of circles and the Floyd
candles.
Yeah.
It's like, Oh well this is, thisis some dark shit.
At that point, this isunplanned.
(28:19):
This place is going to be superhaunted.
Probably is super haunted now.
Speaker 3 (28:24):
It w it baffles me that how many months they spent
in this house in the salt wasstill there.
Speaker 2 (28:29):
Okay.
Well once again I think it wascause it was ceremonial.
I think the salt held up throughunnatural means like it wasn't
washed away because it wassupposed to be a barrier.
So I mean I think that's whyalthough she wasn't supposed to
cross the barrier and then shedid and it was all fine.
Speaker 3 (28:48):
See, honestly, I would have went to go see if
that black bird was actuallythere because she couldn't see
it.
Speaker 2 (28:52):
Well, it'd be like decade by then.
That was literally like almost ayear later.
But
Speaker 3 (28:59):
well that's probably the car that was driving by the
person going back to the house.
Speaker 2 (29:06):
Yeah, that would be awful.
But yeah, I don't remember whatthe car that real estate
person's car was, but it didseem to pick up after she left.
So maybe her leaving wasnecessary for the ritual
somehow.
Cause like once she got back,shit really went South.
Yeah.
So I also
Speaker 3 (29:26):
see, it's like I told you this law watching movie, the
ending felt like the void to mewhen we saw the void.
Everything started picking upreally fast and you're just like
getting it all on the face atonce.
Like, here's the money shot,here you go.
I can't help happen.
Speaker 2 (29:41):
It reminded me of a house of the devil at the end of
that movie.
It kinda like gets into thesacrifice type part and then it
does that Oh, in and out, kindof fading and moving more
quickly.
Yeah.
So there's definitely that, thatpeak, it's, it is kind of nice
that there was a happy ending.
I mean it was happier than mosthorror films.
Speaker 3 (30:04):
Yeah.
Especially most you have to keepthe money that she's supposed to
give them.
Speaker 2 (30:07):
Yeah.
And she got to like, she got herwish granted and she got to see
a bunch of cool shit.
She got to meet her guardianangel.
She never found her.
She never wanted that.
Remember?
Like that was a lie.
Speaker 3 (30:21):
So I guess you never wants to find his son at all?
Probably.
Speaker 2 (30:24):
I don't know.
That wasn't her goal.
If your goal was revenge theentire time,
Speaker 3 (30:29):
that means you probably know how your son, you
probably know that your son isdead.
Speaker 2 (30:35):
Wow.
I mean, I would assume she'sprobably just assuming cause
they called off the search iswhat she said.
So I think she's just assumingmake, I wonder what's with the
old lady.
Yeah.
I wonder if the old ladykidnapped him.
What the fuck that was keptsaying?
LA Loma.
Oh yeah, yeah.
(30:58):
Um, child stealer.
But I guess it was supposed tobe some teenagers trying to do
some black magic shit.
They didn't really even get intothat very much.
She lied about that too.
It was weird.
Yeah.
Cause it was just like a randomlike them teenagers try and uh,
some of the devil fuckingteenagers.
Right.
But they're black magic andchild stealing.
Speaker 3 (31:20):
Well it's whales.
Yes.
A lot of black metal and blackmagic stuff were around.
It's still around at this point.
I've heard there was more likeNorway, Norway, Finland and
Wales.
Are you sure about Wales?
I think so.
I'm pretty sure.
Well no, not whales but likethat general area cause they
went to Wales for UK and that,yeah, they still have that shit.
(31:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (31:44):
Well I'm saying like most of the church burnings and
all that shit was like theNetherlands, not the UK with the
black metal scene.
That was all like I think Swedenand Norway and all that shit.
Speaker 3 (31:58):
Well it, they didn't mention where she's from.
They just said they went toWales.
Speaker 2 (32:02):
Right, right.
Okay.
But she's British.
Like she had a very distinctive,even said posh.
She has like a, an upper classBritish accent.
Like she pronounces her ease alot of that.
So he was obviously a little bitmore, uh, his accent was more
slang.
(32:23):
It was more like lower income ordifferent parts of the UK that
are a little bit more, um, Idon't know multiple languages he
does, but there are, you know,there are different accents in
the UK and he had more of anaccent that was indicative of a
(32:43):
poor area and hers was moreindicative of like proper
English accent, you know what Imean?
So yeah.
What else?
Anything else on the moving thatyou wanted to discuss?
Speaker 3 (32:57):
Mm, no, I don't think so.
Speaker 2 (33:01):
All right.
Well once again, that movie iscalled dark song is available
currently.
I don't know how long but it isavailable currently on the
Netflix[inaudible]
Speaker 3 (33:16):
my bed.
Why is it called the dark song?
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (33:20):
We probably shouldn't have looked at least that up
cause they have no idea what thefuck the name was about.
Yeah, no, I don't know.
But it's a good movie.
Check it out.
Once again, it's on Netflix fromlike 2016.
It's got a lot of good reviewsby critics and usually I don't
pay as much attention to that.
But as far as that goes, I thinkit was pretty on the nose.
(33:43):
It was a good movie.
It's something different ifyou're a fan of more indie
horror, slow suspense, like, uh,I was in a message board or
maybe YouTube and it wasdiscussing hereditary and that's
how I heard about this is someguy said that it reminded him or
(34:06):
when he was watching hereditaryand Walton reminded him of this
movie or whatever.
So I'm like, Oh, I gotta checkit out.
So if you're a fan of those kindof horror films, like this
slower burn more, I guess, Idon't want to say psychological,
but like, you know what I mean?
Like[inaudible]
Speaker 3 (34:23):
does kind kinda put on psychological religious
aspect.
Speaker 2 (34:27):
Exactly.
So if you're into that kind ofstuff, you'll enjoy this movie.
Well, thank you guys for joiningus.
Subscribe if you haven't, wewill be back eventually.
Eventually.
Depends on my schedule.
Depends on her schedule.
Well, have a good day.
Goodbye.
[inaudible].
Speaker 2 (00:13):
z
Speaker 3 (00:18):
and I'm Alex
Speaker 2 (00:20):
and we are going to discuss a film today that we
just got finished watchingcalled a dark song.
Speaker 3 (00:27):
Well first welcome back to[inaudible].
Well welcome back to your right.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
Alrighty.
I was there by myself.
Speaker 3 (00:38):
I am sorry you recorded without me knowing.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
Yeah, so that's also going to be part of I guess a
new format type of thing havingyou on when you can.
So probably every other episodeI would imagine.
So like kind of a biweekly onewith us together, one without,
anyway, so that's the new formatthat we're discussing.
So if you didn't check it outalready did an episode on a
(01:04):
vendor's end game and the golfand finale on the previous
episode.
So we're also on a iTunes,Spotify, Google play music,
Stitcher.
Basically anywhere you're goingto finhellpd your podcasts send,
maybe YouTube.
We have a couple of episodes,but no we don't.
(01:24):
Anyway,
Speaker 3 (01:26):
let's talk about the movie man.
Okay.
About the movie one.
Beautiful artwork.
The cinematography wasbeautiful.
Whales was beautiful.
The location for the movie.
I think it was the only locationfor the movie.
They didn't do multiple ones.
They can just stay them wills.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
Yeah.
I mean they were in the housepretty much the entire time.
And then the train station.
Yeah.
So not a whole lot of differentplaces, but yeah, the
cinematography was awesome.
I actually had to look up thecinematographer to see what else
they did and it doesn't seemlike a lot.
Same with the, uh, the actualdirector and writer of the film.
(02:04):
Um, not a whole lot.
Uh, now hold on.
Movies in there.
Um, also just nothing that I'veever heard of.
So Liam Gavin is the directorand writer for the film and it
looks like, when I'm looking atthe filmography, I mean there's
like six writing credits, sixdirecting credits for things
like short film, short film,short film, short film.
(02:28):
So it looks like this is theirfirst full length movie, which
is pretty fucking impressive.
Speaker 3 (02:34):
Yeah.
This one was, I thought likemaybe I'd seen this movie before
and it has like a feel likeyou've seen it before, but you
had it,
Speaker 2 (02:42):
right, right.
It's, it's, I wouldn't call itderivative, but it's definitely
something that's in a way beendone before, obviously, um,
ritual and all of that kind ofstuff is in angels and demons
and blah, blah, blah and tryingto get revenge or trying to
bring back the kid or whatever.
(03:02):
By the way, spoiler alert,before we jump too far into it,
they're going to be spoilers.
So yeah, it is, it's like arefreshing take on something
that has been done before.
By the way, the, a, the maleactor, he reminds me a lot of
that, uh, dude, who's in likeShaun of the dead and a bunch of
those.
Speaker 3 (03:22):
Well, yeah, but a little more serious, but
Speaker 2 (03:25):
Oh, well, I'm worse yet.
Every time I looked at him, Iwas thinking, I was thinking of
that comedian.
I was like, Oh, that's, he'sbreaking[inaudible]
Speaker 3 (03:35):
take him seriously, honestly.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
Yeah.
Yeah.
You, you know, it's supposed tobe overbearing and aggressive,
but you're just like, eh, moreoff is no, I dunno.
Oh, he's definitely an asshole.
Especially the whole jerk andoff thing.
This supposed to be a sex ritual.
It's like, Nope,
Speaker 3 (03:59):
Nope.
I just needed to relieve myselfand I saw it coming.
Spoiler.
Of course, when he's likerubbing her back or putting the
symbols on her back, she takesoff her bra.
It's like the littlest thingsset him off.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
[inaudible] yeah, sometimes you just gotta beat
it.
And that's, that's the, yeah,that was one of the things that
I didn't, I think there were alittle inconsistent with the,
uh, the roles of the ritualbecause it's supposed to be all
this cleansing and all of this.
Did you have any sex?
(04:32):
Did you do this or do that?
And meanwhile, dude is likebeaten off and drinking whiskey
and smoking cigarettes, smokingweed.
So the question I guess is like,does his involvement, like is
that necessary for the ritual oris he just walking her through
(04:52):
the ritual?
Speaker 3 (04:53):
I feel like his involvement should have been
like a big part of it allbecause you need someone to act
it out and you need someone tobe physically involved in it.
But his involvement does play animportant role because one, she
had to drink his blood and hehas to recite everything, like
he has to recite it correctly.
So his involvement, he should'vebeen 100% in it to begin with
Speaker 2 (05:17):
you would think.
But let, once again, a lot ofthe, the actual um, ritual parts
like the meditating for a fewdays and he said that like he
needed her for it and blah,blah, blah for him to be able to
accomplish what he wanted.
Um, so yeah, I don't know towhat degree he was involved.
(05:38):
I know the drinking of the bloodthing was actually not necessary
for the ritual that was becauseshe wouldn't like the
forgiveness part of the ritualsince she wouldn't do it, it
required a blood sacrifice tocircumvent that.
And then it turns out, ofcourse, that that is the entire
(05:59):
reason why she needs to do theritual in the first place.
So like, yeah, so that is, Iguess one of the themes that's
being explored is, is the ideaof forgiveness and um, to what
degree of sin can you forgivesomeone and to what degree are
you willing to put your life andyour faith and your soul on the
(06:21):
line for revenge and to justavoid forgiving people and
forgiving yourself.
And yeah, so there was a lot ofthose different themes involved.
Speaker 3 (06:36):
She lied a lot.
She lied a lot because at firstshe's like, I miss my husband or
the guys she used to love andit's like, no, it's about my
kid.
I want to hear my kid again now.
Like they already are deep intothis whole ritual.
I want vengeance.
Oh my kid is such a dumb.
Speaker 2 (06:54):
And that's when he called her.
He's like, you know, I, wecould've just done that the
whole time.
I'm not judging you.
You can get revenge.
You just need to be fuckinghonest with me.
Yeah.
And that's, that's the thing isthey kept doing the ritual over
and over cause she kept fuckingit up.
And it's just, I mean, he'slike, well, you have to do this
(07:16):
exactly correct or it won'twork.
And then she's like, well, whyisn't it working?
It's like, well, because you'relying to me because you're not
taking this seriously.
You're not doing exactly what Itell you to do.
Like there's like at a certainpoint, if you're literally
spending months on end trying tolike communicate with the other
world and there's an exact setof rules that you need to follow
(07:40):
and you keep fucking the rulesup that's kind of on you.
Plus it was annoying that shesaw so many signs and she does
ignore them.
Speaker 3 (07:48):
Oh my gosh.
The cold gleaning from the sky,the toy, it moving, just the dog
park.
Everything was a fucking Sy.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
Yeah.
Even when she was like, Oh, I'mnot seeing that sign.
And then the bird flies in thewindow.
He's like, that's a sign.
It's a black bird flew into thewindow.
Another thing though that Ithink broke the rules.
She wasn't supposed to cross thesalt barrier and he said that
she would be trapped.
I thought he said a truckforever, but she did cross a all
(08:17):
barrier and then she wasn't introuble.
Speaker 3 (08:19):
But then he also died.
Speaker 2 (08:22):
Well, I mean that wasn't in the game plan, but
yeah, I mean I guess in a way hewas the sacrifice.
But it also, yeah, it also left,um, the, the question, cause he
brought up the idea of whethershe thought he was involved and
she wanted revenge on the peoplethat were involved with her
(08:45):
child's death or disappearanceor whatever.
And then of course he likebasically gets stabbed.
Like
Speaker 3 (08:52):
I kept saying that it's like his, like the way that
she picked him specifically andhe already knew how to do this.
It just didn't make sense in thefact that he was suffering for,
he died.
And like she did say she wantedthem to suffer before they died
and then be damned forever.
Like it look like he's gonethrough that.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
Yeah.
And he was in hell when she wentdown there.
Yeah.
So I guess he has damn for, Imean, you can only fuck with so
much of that shit before you getdamned.
Anyway.
I would assume, I know I'm not areligious person or anything
like that, but if you're rollingwith this idea that like demons
and archangels and guardianangels and all this shit exists
(09:34):
yet fucking with Blatch andblack magic, it's probably a
ticket to hell.
Speaker 3 (09:39):
It's like what form of black magic was that cause
throughout the movie they'reshowing like different religions
and different languagesthroughout each one.
Is it all Christianity or is itlike different forms of
religion?
Cause I know the Japanese andalways worship Christianity.
Speaker 2 (09:55):
No, they were definitely pulling from
different religions.
I think the idea, they didn'tstate it, but I think the idea
was that like every religion ismaybe right to some extent.
You don't have to pull all ofthem together to get the full
picture.
You know what I mean?
I think that's kind of what theywere, they were getting at is
that like everyone was a littlebit right, but then when you
(10:17):
shove it all together you gotit.
Speaker 3 (10:20):
That's the first time I've ever seen that done in a
movie too.
Like each religion has its owntake on the whole ritual.
In like info[inaudible]
Speaker 2 (10:29):
well that's what I'm saying is I think maybe each
part of the ritual was taken inpart from different things
instead of all one a thing.
Also, it's interesting that hesaid that he's seen demons,
angels, but I think he said godsplural.
So there is the concept thatlike it's more than because
(10:51):
Christianity is monotheistic, sothere are more religions
involved, neuro more God'sinvolved.
So basically the mythologybehind this is pretty abstract
because it pulls from a lot ofideas and a lot of rituals and a
lot of different things.
Um, and kind of crams themtogether into its own mythology.
(11:14):
And because it's only one movie,like they don't really have to
take the time to explain any ofit.
They're just like, this is howit works.
And you're just like, seemslegit.
Like you explained enough of itthat it seems to make sense, but
not so much of it that you startasking too many questions
Speaker 3 (11:32):
just like him and be like, out all starts.
I liked this house.
Let me throw down a bunch ofcash on it and let me throw down
a bunch of cash on this randomdude.
Like they really give you nocontext as to what's going on at
that moment.
Speaker 2 (11:44):
Yeah, she's going to have to use that 70 grand or
whatever to clean that house.
She left her mass.
Yeah, they know our name.
I mean, unless she disappearedsomewhere.
I'm still curious about that carat the end besides just the show
that there were other people onthe road.
Well, I don't, why would she, Imean she basically hit his body.
(12:07):
I mean she put it out into thewater and it got sucked under.
So I think the assumption wasthat something took it under so
the body's gone.
So basically the only issue isthere's like a mess in the house
and DNA with like, well, with 70grand you can definitely afford
a maid, clean up crew.
Speaker 3 (12:25):
The only thing she cleaned was like the hand prints
off the wall.
Speaker 2 (12:28):
Well that's my point is you could probably bring in a
cleanup crew to completely cleanthe house from top to bottom.
That only costs you a couplethousand dollars, I would think.
Right?
Speaker 3 (12:37):
Yeah.
But this is what kills me.
She did all this just to hearhis son's voice and trust me,
she heard her son's voice coupleof goddamn times on this movie
and they didn't give up afterthat
Speaker 2 (12:49):
trying to scare you con[inaudible]
Speaker 3 (12:52):
I'm just using your son's voice to scare you.
Speaker 2 (12:57):
Yeah.
But once again, we, we did findout that it wasn't just hearing
her son's voice.
So that was bullshit to beginwith.
I didn't like the hell houndthing that they brought in the
idea of a hell hound.
Um, and the, her actually havingto descend into hell and then
return to receive grace andforgiveness.
(13:17):
It was kind of, I don't know,Dodd tasting.
It was some sort of allegory.
They kept mentioning Solomon too, which was, um, I guess known
for his wisdom and the results.
Some other worldly shit withthat too.
So she kept calling him Solomon,which makes sense I guess, cause
he's guiding her and he's, andit's funny that everything was
(13:37):
redacted after he died.
And I was wondering if that was,if he did that or if that was
the spirits that did it.
Speaker 3 (13:44):
You mean?
You mean after he died?
Speaker 2 (13:46):
Yeah.
All, everything was crossed outafter he died.
I'm wondering if he did that orif the spirits did that.
Speaker 3 (13:54):
I can't.
I don't, I don't remember.
Cause you remember he, his bodydid turn up at the bottom of the
stairs along with like vomit andwhat
Speaker 2 (14:02):
[inaudible].
And there's also like the, thevarious spirits are, I think
there were demons, but whateverthey were, I don't know.
They looked like they had theirown kind of personalities to
them.
And I'm gonna kinda, I was kindacurious to see like what they
were cause like there wasdifferent ones in the house and
(14:23):
it, I guess they didn't reallyexplain any of it, whether it
was souls or demons, although itseemed like maybe she literally
has her demons calling at herback when she's trying to see
her Archangel angel and ask forthe ability to forgive.
So I feel like that was a bigmetaphor that she had to escape
hell with demons on our back.
(14:45):
And beg for the ability toforgive,
Speaker 3 (14:47):
but maybe it's the other souls that got trapped
there.
Cause this, this whole ritualhas to be repeated.
I don't know how many times toknow that if you fail, you're
basically fucked.
So it was probably all thepeople who failed.
Speaker 2 (15:00):
Maybe also, I don't understand why they took one of
her fingers.
She broke away.
She did.
But I'm so, I mean that's from afilmmaking standpoint, I'm
wondering, first of all, theywere using like a bolt cutters,
which is kind of a natural worldthing.
(15:22):
It's kind of weird that theywould use that.
And how, um, second of all, itwas just once again an
interesting that they decided totake a finger.
Maybe it was some kind of asacrifice.
Um, also it was her ring finger.
I don't know if that wasimportant.
It was or ran your finger on herleft hand and she was unmarried,
the entire movie.
(15:42):
And she was initially saying itwas about her ex or whatever.
So maybe that was somehowsignificant.
I have no idea.
Speaker 3 (15:51):
Well, I want to know where the boy's father was with
this boy cause she nevermentioned the boy's father.
Speaker 2 (15:57):
Right.
And that's what I'm saying isum, he wasn't really involved.
That's my dog.
He's being annoying.
He wasn't really involved.
So I'm not exactly sure whatthat was all about and what the
finger gets.
[inaudible]
Speaker 3 (16:10):
fuck sister.
I take my sister has somethingto do with it.
Speaker 2 (16:14):
What the kid disappeared.
I don't, I think her sister, Ithink her sister was supposed to
represent like the op the otherside of like her sister's got a
nice family with two kids thatare alive and she's trying to
pull her sister out from thedarkness and her sister's like,
(16:34):
well you know it's easy for youto believe in God and it's easy
for you to believe that thingsare going to work out because
you have a good life and my lifeis difficult so it's more
difficult for me to, so I thinkit was just supposed to show a
contrast.
I am curious cause she keep, shesaid that her kid was taken and
they said that they never foundthe body.
(16:56):
So I didn't know if that wasgonna come into place somehow
that like maybe he's notactually dead.
Speaker 3 (17:03):
Yeah, yeah.
Cause we never see the results.
Like her son never comes to herand actually speaks to her.
Speaker 2 (17:09):
[inaudible] well, once again, that wasn't her
goal.
When she saw her Archangel, shehad the ability to ask for what
she wanted and the thing thatshe wanted was to be able to
forgive.
So instead of asking to see herson, she decided to see that was
the thing to shoot the wholemovie was her stewing and her
resentments.
(17:29):
And finally she gets theopportunity to get revenge or be
selfish and see your kid again.
In a sense, she chooses to bealtruistic and ask for the
ability to forgive
Speaker 3 (17:42):
because she pop.
Honestly, in my opinion, becauseshe does put like the kid, the
kid, as I say, which isn't him,he says that she was late to
pick him up.
Hence the reason why it's herfault that he's gone.
So probably she's doing that toforgive herself cause she blames
herself so much for hisdisappearance.
Speaker 2 (18:02):
Hmm.
And she was tortured and damned.
So I guess she got what shewanted, the person responsible
to some extent that she wasresponsible and yeah.
So I don't know.
It's tricky.
I like the arc.
Then started the guardian angel.
That was kind of crazy.
Speaker 3 (18:21):
He handles the superiors in the room.
Huge.
Like this massive dude just witha sword, his legs out and stuff.
He looks on majestic and hiseyes are glowing for no apparent
reason.
And then his eyes stoppedglowing sometimes and they
started glowing again.
I was like so confused.
Speaker 2 (18:38):
I liked that there was that little smile, a little
smirk when she decided to askfor, for like the ability to
forgive and he was like, see,there you go.
You figure it out.
There you go.
You got it.
I knew you'd get it eventually.
Speaker 3 (18:54):
So let's talk about how he died.
So she's arguing with them,they're going back and forth and
suddenly gets a knife stuck inhis side.
Gratefully.
I didn't watch her take out theknife cause I'm very squeamish.
Speaker 2 (19:07):
It wasn't even that bad.
She just kind of pulled it out.
It wasn't, there was no likeskin tog or anything.
She just literally did that.
Yeah.
Obviously it wasn't cleanedsince it got infected.
It looks clean.
I guess it wasn't
Speaker 3 (19:22):
like w what, why did he have to die in such a way?
Speaker 2 (19:27):
Why did he have to die at all?
I'm not really sure.
It was interesting.
That's when I was thinking about, um, how he said that he wanted
to be invisible and when he waslaying in bed and she was in
that one room, she saw somebodysmoking and when she went, there
was no one there.
(19:48):
So I guess that was kind of himbeing invisible, maybe not a
suit sort of thing.
Some reference to that.
Speaker 3 (19:54):
Realize when that figure was smoking, it was
smoking actual cigarette.
Meanwhile, the things that healways smoked were hand rolled.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
Yeah.
But you can handle allcigarettes.
I don't know.
It was, I don't know who else itwould be though.
That wouldn't be smoking.
I mean he wanted to be invisibleand that thing was invisible.
So that's the only thing that Ican really think of.
I do think it's funny cause he'ssaying like he wanted to be
invisible and he's like notbecause of what you're thinking
about, which is perving I wouldimagine since he wanted to jerk
(20:25):
off to her, she's like, Oh, youwant to be invisible?
Huh?
So you can go into the girls'locker room.
Is that what that's about?
No, I just want to disappearfrom the world.
And you kind of did, you're outin the middle of the fucking
woods for months with just oneother person.
I mean like if you want me tofuck off and disappear from the
world, you already did it, sir.
Speaker 3 (20:45):
Exactly.
There goes your wish.
You're going got paid too andgot paid to die.
Speaker 2 (20:49):
Yeah.
You got, he dude went off thegrid completely for months.
I mean you think he'd be happy,but he was miserable, man.
That's, he was just smashingshit all over.
And I get it though.
Like he's like, this is whatyou're paying me for.
Also, I'm sure he was gettingfrustrated cause he wanted his
(21:09):
wish to be granted too.
It's been fucking months andmonths and they keep having to
restart the ritual and thenshe's finally like, I was lying
to you and he's like this, thisbitch, this bitch.
And I told you from thebeginning when I cut myself when
you said that you spoke German.
Well yeah and she didn't.
(21:30):
So it's like she just wouldn'tstop lying and like I understand
this is some dark shit she'sdealing with, but she's
literally trying to like reachinto the fucking nether realm.
I think there are darker thingsthat play than like you wanting
revenge.
Speaker 3 (21:49):
I just can't comprehend her character.
It's like you want to be on herside but she just spews
everything.
It's just I want to like her butI really can't and I'm more so
standing on his side at thispoint cause it's like she
basically caused his death evenif she didn't mean to or not.
(22:10):
She almost killed herself in theprocess too.
And she doesn't realize whatshe's doing.
Speaker 2 (22:16):
Yeah, he is straight, straightforward and honest the
entire time.
And she kept that.
Yeah.
Well, besides the second offthing, that's true.
But so she kept questioning itand it kept working and under a
certain point I get it that shewas still on the fence, but at a
certain point she knew it wasworking and she still kept lying
(22:40):
and she still kept fuckingaround with the ritual on.
It's like, I would get mad too.
I mean, it's just like, come ondude, you know, it's working,
you're seeing it working andyou're still trying to bullshit
your way through it.
It's like you want revenge?
We're fucking with demons here.
Like just tell me, you know whatI mean?
Like you're already fucking withthe, ah, the other world and she
(23:03):
knows it there.
I mean, that was just trying toreach her guardian angel, but
you know, I don't know.
You know what I mean?
Speaker 3 (23:10):
He did not forgive him at all for, okay, now that
we keep talking about the sexy,unless we're just talking about
the whole sexy one, there wasn'tany intercourse.
Uh, he just like says, take offyour clothes.
You know she's ready to have sexwith them.
Cause that's what he says.
And he just like beats off onthe chair.
It's like bend over.
He finishes, which was prettyfreaking quick.
Speaker 2 (23:32):
Reminded me of like Louis C K cause he's got the red
beard and then the bald head.
And he's sitting there beatingit and I'm like,
Speaker 3 (23:42):
and he's like, yeah, no this was private.
I just needed to relieve.
And the fact that she did notforgive him, she just got back
at him.
I think that was probably alsothe cause.
Like he probably got sick fromthat.
Speaker 2 (23:59):
I dunno.
I mean you can drink pee.
It's sterile,
Speaker 3 (24:04):
not hers.
No, she was fascinating.
Drink cans blooded and all typesof shit.
Speaker 2 (24:08):
I don't know.
I mean I think she'd be fine.
I have a fasting.
Doesn't fuck up your PIs.
I don't know.
Whatever point being, I like theritual part.
So I thought that was kind ofinteresting.
Speaker 3 (24:20):
Oh yeah, just get rain.
Oh yeah.
Have cold water.
Pour it onto you.
Let me drown you first withouttelling you.
She was pretty pissed on thatone.
Speaker 2 (24:28):
Yeah, she wanted revenge.
So badly that she literally wentlike two days at a time with no
food and water, just staring ata rock like, man, you must be
super pissed.
Really pissed off.
Speaker 3 (24:43):
I'm just going to stare at this rock for two days,
piss on myself at the same time.
Speaker 2 (24:49):
And that wasn't just two days.
Remember it was like two daysand then they ate and then she
went two more days and they ateand she went to, she had to go
six days at a time.
Speaker 3 (24:57):
Double that because they had to restart.
Speaker 2 (25:00):
Well, I mean at a T, yeah.
Each time she did it, they hadto do six days of basically not
eating or drinking and she wasdoing all this knowing that she
was fucking up the ritual, youknow, it's like at a certain
point it's like, come on man,you know, you're not, you're,
you're lying so it's not goingto work.
So you're just sitting therestaring at a rock and pissing on
(25:22):
yourself for literally noreason.
Speaker 3 (25:24):
Yeah.
That's probably why she had todie.
Honestly.
She did die.
We all know that.
Speaker 2 (25:28):
Yeah.
He drowned her and then she cameback and was reborn
Speaker 3 (25:34):
piss buttery book.
Speaker 2 (25:35):
Yeah.
Well I'm sure if he said I'mgonna drown you, she'd be like,
yeah.
So he's just like, ah, we'vealready tried doing this the
easy way, so I'm just going todrown this bitch.
Speaker 3 (25:47):
I was wondering like if he can't resuscitate her,
this is gonna be a bad shirt foreverybody.
Speaker 2 (25:53):
Yeah.
Whoops.
Yeah.
Wonder what happens in that,like if he couldn't finish the
ritual or whatever, if he bestuck in that house or what do
you have to do with himself?
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (26:05):
Honestly at the keys regardless, stuck there even
after he died because he gotpulled into like, what was it
pawn that's like right behindthe house.
Speaker 2 (26:13):
Yeah.
Well also like apparently he wascapable of doing the ritual, so
I don't know why he didn't do it.
Speaker 3 (26:21):
It seems like he's done it already, so awesome.
Well yet.
But he also lied in thebeginning.
He's like, you can't find thison the internet
Speaker 2 (26:31):
then in front of it.
Well no, he PR he found someparts of it.
And I don't think you found theentire ritual on the internet.
He just, it was just printingpages from some main ancient
texts.
But yeah, I don't know why.
Like, cause he's making her doit and he knows how to do it.
He knows all the rules.
So I don't know why he's notdoing it to people to do it.
(26:53):
Maybe it was also funny causelike he, he only succeeded one
out of three times withoutspecific ritual.
I mean I guess they also makereference to him.
Um, you know, Oh I'm a warrior.
Demons are afraid of me.
I they made a lot of referencesto the fact I've seen God's,
(27:15):
I've seen demons, I've seenangels.
So if you only got that ritualto succeed once, I guess the
implication is that he doesother rituals too, you know?
Speaker 3 (27:26):
Yeah.
Cause then like why would shepersonally hire him then?
Cause he looked like he seessome shit regardless when she
first met him.
Speaker 2 (27:35):
Yeah.
I don't know.
So overall did you like themovie?
Speaker 3 (27:43):
Yes.
So I still have many questions.
Speaker 2 (27:46):
I do as well.
I was thinking about doing somemore research beforehand, but
yeah,
Speaker 3 (27:50):
I'm honestly thinking, you know the person
who loaned her the house are,they're going to find that shit.
Speaker 2 (27:59):
Yeah, I was thinking that.
Especially if like she didn'tget rid of the body.
You just show up and there's adead body and there's stuff
smeared all over the walls and abunch of circles and the Floyd
candles.
Yeah.
It's like, Oh well this is, thisis some dark shit.
At that point, this isunplanned.
(28:19):
This place is going to be superhaunted.
Probably is super haunted now.
Speaker 3 (28:24):
It w it baffles me that how many months they spent
in this house in the salt wasstill there.
Speaker 2 (28:29):
Okay.
Well once again I think it wascause it was ceremonial.
I think the salt held up throughunnatural means like it wasn't
washed away because it wassupposed to be a barrier.
So I mean I think that's whyalthough she wasn't supposed to
cross the barrier and then shedid and it was all fine.
Speaker 3 (28:48):
See, honestly, I would have went to go see if
that black bird was actuallythere because she couldn't see
it.
Speaker 2 (28:52):
Well, it'd be like decade by then.
That was literally like almost ayear later.
But
Speaker 3 (28:59):
well that's probably the car that was driving by the
person going back to the house.
Speaker 2 (29:06):
Yeah, that would be awful.
But yeah, I don't remember whatthe car that real estate
person's car was, but it didseem to pick up after she left.
So maybe her leaving wasnecessary for the ritual
somehow.
Cause like once she got back,shit really went South.
Yeah.
So I also
Speaker 3 (29:26):
see, it's like I told you this law watching movie, the
ending felt like the void to mewhen we saw the void.
Everything started picking upreally fast and you're just like
getting it all on the face atonce.
Like, here's the money shot,here you go.
I can't help happen.
Speaker 2 (29:41):
It reminded me of a house of the devil at the end of
that movie.
It kinda like gets into thesacrifice type part and then it
does that Oh, in and out, kindof fading and moving more
quickly.
Yeah.
So there's definitely that, thatpeak, it's, it is kind of nice
that there was a happy ending.
I mean it was happier than mosthorror films.
Speaker 3 (30:04):
Yeah.
Especially most you have to keepthe money that she's supposed to
give them.
Speaker 2 (30:07):
Yeah.
And she got to like, she got herwish granted and she got to see
a bunch of cool shit.
She got to meet her guardianangel.
She never found her.
She never wanted that.
Remember?
Like that was a lie.
Speaker 3 (30:21):
So I guess you never wants to find his son at all?
Probably.
Speaker 2 (30:24):
I don't know.
That wasn't her goal.
If your goal was revenge theentire time,
Speaker 3 (30:29):
that means you probably know how your son, you
probably know that your son isdead.
Speaker 2 (30:35):
Wow.
I mean, I would assume she'sprobably just assuming cause
they called off the search iswhat she said.
So I think she's just assumingmake, I wonder what's with the
old lady.
Yeah.
I wonder if the old ladykidnapped him.
What the fuck that was keptsaying?
LA Loma.
Oh yeah, yeah.
(30:58):
Um, child stealer.
But I guess it was supposed tobe some teenagers trying to do
some black magic shit.
They didn't really even get intothat very much.
She lied about that too.
It was weird.
Yeah.
Cause it was just like a randomlike them teenagers try and uh,
some of the devil fuckingteenagers.
Right.
But they're black magic andchild stealing.
Speaker 3 (31:20):
Well it's whales.
Yes.
A lot of black metal and blackmagic stuff were around.
It's still around at this point.
I've heard there was more likeNorway, Norway, Finland and
Wales.
Are you sure about Wales?
I think so.
I'm pretty sure.
Well no, not whales but likethat general area cause they
went to Wales for UK and that,yeah, they still have that shit.
(31:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (31:44):
Well I'm saying like most of the church burnings and
all that shit was like theNetherlands, not the UK with the
black metal scene.
That was all like I think Swedenand Norway and all that shit.
Speaker 3 (31:58):
Well it, they didn't mention where she's from.
They just said they went toWales.
Speaker 2 (32:02):
Right, right.
Okay.
But she's British.
Like she had a very distinctive,even said posh.
She has like a, an upper classBritish accent.
Like she pronounces her ease alot of that.
So he was obviously a little bitmore, uh, his accent was more
slang.
(32:23):
It was more like lower income ordifferent parts of the UK that
are a little bit more, um, Idon't know multiple languages he
does, but there are, you know,there are different accents in
the UK and he had more of anaccent that was indicative of a
(32:43):
poor area and hers was moreindicative of like proper
English accent, you know what Imean?
So yeah.
What else?
Anything else on the moving thatyou wanted to discuss?
Speaker 3 (32:57):
Mm, no, I don't think so.
Speaker 2 (33:01):
All right.
Well once again, that movie iscalled dark song is available
currently.
I don't know how long but it isavailable currently on the
Netflix[inaudible]
Speaker 3 (33:16):
my bed.
Why is it called the dark song?
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (33:20):
We probably shouldn't have looked at least that up
cause they have no idea what thefuck the name was about.
Yeah, no, I don't know.
But it's a good movie.
Check it out.
Once again, it's on Netflix fromlike 2016.
It's got a lot of good reviewsby critics and usually I don't
pay as much attention to that.
But as far as that goes, I thinkit was pretty on the nose.
(33:43):
It was a good movie.
It's something different ifyou're a fan of more indie
horror, slow suspense, like, uh,I was in a message board or
maybe YouTube and it wasdiscussing hereditary and that's
how I heard about this is someguy said that it reminded him or
(34:06):
when he was watching hereditaryand Walton reminded him of this
movie or whatever.
So I'm like, Oh, I gotta checkit out.
So if you're a fan of those kindof horror films, like this
slower burn more, I guess, Idon't want to say psychological,
but like, you know what I mean?
Like[inaudible]
Speaker 3 (34:23):
does kind kinda put on psychological religious
aspect.
Speaker 2 (34:27):
Exactly.
So if you're into that kind ofstuff, you'll enjoy this movie.
Well, thank you guys for joiningus.
Subscribe if you haven't, wewill be back eventually.
Eventually.
Depends on my schedule.
Depends on her schedule.
Well, have a good day.
Goodbye.
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