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Speaker 1 (00:01):
A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of
a free state, the right of the people to keep
in their arms shall not be infringed. This is the
Second Amendment, and this is the Gun Guy.

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Speaker 1 (00:25):
Guy Ralford on ninety three WYBC.

Speaker 3 (00:30):
And good afternoon, and welcome to the Gun Guys Show
here on ninety three WIBC. Glad you're with us. I
hope you got out and we're able to exercise your
Second Amendment rights today or maybe even enjoying some college football,
which kicked off with a game or two earlier, but
really the first day of a full day of legitimate

(00:51):
college football. Even tomorrow, Notre Dame plays on a Sunday night,
of all things, against Miami. You remember the old Convicts
versus Catholics rivalry, boy, back when that always cracked me up.
Catholics versus Convicts, Notre Dame versus Miami. A renewal of
that in Miami tomorrow night. But hey, enough about sports.

(01:13):
You don't tune in to the Gun Guy Show to
talk about sports. I read a story this past week
that was somewhat terrifying to me, and I really wanted
to talk about it here on the show because this
can potentially influence a lot of us who traveled to Ohio.
And since Ohio for the last few years has been

(01:35):
recognizing the Indiana license to carry handgun, then a lot
of us take our handguns with us when we go
to Ohio. And if a state recognizes a license again
in Indiana, we call it a license to carry handgun,
and I always try to sort of gently correct people.
I'll hear them call it a concealed carry license or

(01:58):
CCW or any number of other terms that they use
in other states that we don't use here because it
is by statute, it has a particular name. It's licensed
to carry handgun. But if another state recognizes our license,
and I've said this many many times here on the
Gun Guy Show, knowing that another state recognizes our license

(02:20):
is just step one in terms of knowing how to
legally possess and carry in that other state. In other words, Okay,
they recognize my license, but what does that mean? Do
they have other restrictions? Do they only recognize my license
if I'm twenty one as opposed to eighteen nineteen and
twenty year olds who can get a license in Indiana,

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but a lot of states, like for instance, Florida is
one of these, only recognizes particular other states licenses or
permits to carry a handgun if they're twenty one. And
there are a lot of places you can't carry a
lot of places where it's illegal to carry in other states.

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It's illegal to carry there in those other states because
they have laws that we don't have. There's no law
in Indiana that says you cannot carry in a church.
In some states, there's a law that says you cannot
carry in a church. Much more about churches later in
the show, after the horrific Minneapolis church shooting on the

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grounds of a Catholic school. But in some states you
can't carry in a church. In some states, you can't
carry into a place that serves alcohol. In some states,
you can't carry if you have any detectable level of
alcohol in your system. Indiana doesn't have any of those laws.
Some states, it's illegal to carry into a sports stadium. Well,

(03:43):
it's not illegal in Indiana to carry into a sports stadium,
but a lot of teams or theater groups, whoever it
might be that operate venues where sometimes there are sporting
events prohibit firearms, and there are some legal mechanisms that

(04:04):
allow them to do that without running a foul of
either our preamption law or the Second Amendment. But my
point in all of that is just knowing that a
state recognizes our license to carry handgut is just the
beginning of the inquiry, and a whole lot more to
happen needs to happen for you to have some security
and confidence that you're not going to run a foul

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of the law when you go to another state. Well,
knowing all of that, and as someone who has looked
into this, for instance, Ohio has a law that you
have to disclose that you have a gun in the car,
even if you have a license. And by the way,

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I'm sure I posted by the way on x or
Twitter as well as on Facebook, but on Twitter I
put a post that said that a man in Ohio
who has a valid lifetime licensed to carry handgun is
facing felony charges in Ohio simply for having a loaded

(05:05):
gun in his car. Now, I put this simply in
there for a reason because I assume that I said,
you know, he's facing prosecution for a felony in Ohio
for having a gun in his car. And I figured
a lot of people would come on and say, well,
that's because he'd been consuming alcohol, or that's because he
didn't disclose the gun. Another rule in Ohio, by the way,

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you can't touch the gun during the stop. Can't handle
it or touch it in any way during the stop.
Otherwise it's crime. It's a felony, just like failure to disclose.
Now in Indiana, we don't have those laws. It'd be
really dumb to handle your gun during your traffic stop
without permission to the officer, but it's not necessarily on

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its face illegal, and it's not illegal to fail to disclose.
We don't have a duty to disclose in Indiana. But
I put the the simply in there when I posted
about what I was going to talk about on the show,
because I was expecting people say, ah, he didn't disclose,
which you have to do in Ohio. And again that's
another point that you have to know state to state

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to state if you're going to travel with your handgun
or firearm, generally, what are the other laws that apply,
like due to disclose. That's why I keep an app
somebody asked me about this app on Facebook, sent me
a private message on Facebook's a guy, you've mentioned this
app before, and listen. I have no connection to these people.
I make no money from them. But the app I

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liked it that I like to keep on my phone
is just called CCW. If you go to it and
load it as an app, it's got a map of
the United States and just the handgun outlined over the
top of a map of the United States. It's and
I think I paid like a buck a month or something.
I think there is a fee associated at least with

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a version that I loaded on my phone, But I
love those things. Every time I open it, it says updating.
It's run by a bunch of lawyers who I think
a really good job of keeping it up to date.
And seriously, it updates every time I open it. But
that's one of the things you can check if you're
going to travel. What are there provisions like due to
disclose or is there a prohibition against carrying or possessing

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if you've had some level of alcohol? Again, in Indiana,
no law that says you can't possess a firearm if
you've been consuming alcohol. There's actually not a law. And
I talk often about the distinction between whether something smart
or responsible and whether it's illegal. And I'm a big

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fan of personal responsibility. Now, I don't believe in legislating
every damn thing associated with any topic, including firearms and
the possession of firearms. But we don't have a law
in Indiana even against being stone cold drunk, falling down, intoxicated,
and in possession of a firearm. Now, that's really really

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stupid and irresponsible and can lead to a lot of
other things like bad decisions that can land you in
jail for crimes like criminal recklessness, certain intimidation, or pointing
a firearm, or any number of others for being stupid, drunk,
and in possession of a gun. But in and of itself,

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there's no law in Indiana. But a lot of states
have laws along those lines. So that's all the wind up.
Why is a guy This is funny because as much
as I study this stuff, and I've looked at Ohio's loss,
because I've traveled through Ohio and I've taken my gun
with me, and so I want to be on the
right side of the law. When I read this story

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about how this guy got arrested and why he's being prosecuted.
It was a little scary to me because I didn't
know there was this potential criminal liability, this criminal culpability
in Ohio based on the way it unfolded for this guy.
What is that. I'll get into that right after this break.

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We're going to take a break. By the way, give
me a call. You wanna talk about traveling with your firearm.
I think that's going to be somewhat of a theme,
at least for a while here on the show. I'm
going to get into some other subjects. What's going on
in the Supreme Court. We'll talk a little bit about
school shootings. Thomas Massey, representative US representative from Kentucky has
introduced a bill to repeal the Federal Gun Free School
Zones Act. What exactly are the laws around possession of

(09:23):
a gun on or near a school? How's Indiana look
at that, How do the FEDS look at that? What
would the effect be of the Feds repealing the Federal
Gun Free School Zones Act. There's a lot to get
into as we progressed through the show, but I'm gonna
talk here a little bit about traveling with the firearm.
You're curious, you got a comment, you got a question,
Give us a call. Three one seven two three nine
ninety three, ninety three three one seven nine ninety three,

(09:47):
ninety three. This is Guy Ralford on The Gun Guy
Show on ninety three WIBC.

Speaker 1 (09:58):
Second to nine on this second This is the Gun
Guy with Guy Ralford on ninety three WYPC.

Speaker 3 (10:05):
And welcome back on Guy Ralford on The Gun Guy
Show on ninety three WIBC. So Vante Garrett is an
Indiana resident and he has a lifetime Indiana licensed to
carry Indiana license to carry handgun, that's exactly what we
call it. And so he's traveling back to Toledo, where

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he's from, to visit his family. And he had recently
bought a car, and he had registered registered the car
in his name, but it hadn't yet put his plate
on it. He still had the original plate from the
owner that he bought the car from, so it's got

(10:48):
an old plate on it, but he's registered it, so
no big deal. He gets pulled over by a Lucas County,
Ohio sheriff's deputy because his registration didn't match the plates.
So he calls in the plates or looks him up

(11:08):
on his computer. Why he's just doing that randomly to
Vonte's vehicle. I can speculate as to the reason. But
he's doing that. You don't have any expectation of privacy
in your license plate, and cops can run them randomly
if they want to. But he does that, and the
plates don't match the registration, so he pulls Vonte over.
He explained what's going on. Hey, I just bought the car.

(11:31):
The previous owner's tags are still on the car. As
soon as I get home, I'm going to change him. Well,
that in and of itself was no big deal, except
the deputy asked if Vante had a gun in the car, and,
being an honest guy, he answered truthfully. He says yeah.
He says, I have a handgun in the car, but

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I also have an Indiana licensed to carry handgun lifetime.
And in Vante's mind, I'm one hundred percent sure. He
figures he's just fine because he knows, like you and
I know that Ohio recognizes the Indiana license to carry.
And when I say recognize, what that means is states
enter into what we call what are called reciprocity agreements,

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and a state says, yes, we in this case, Ohio
are going to recognize, in other words, honor an Indiana
licensed to carry. And for many years, Ohio did not
recognize the Indiana license. And the primary reason for that
is Ohio has a training requirement to get what they
call a concealed handgun license, and we don't have a

(12:33):
training requirement, And so Ohio said, wow, we don't want
a bunch of untrained hoosiers run around with guns in Ohio.
But that changed here just a few years ago, and
Ohio began recognizing the Indiana license. So as far as
Vonte is concerned, and I'm sure at this moment when
he says, yeah, there's a handgun in the car, but
I haven't a lifetime Indiana license, he thinks he's just fine.

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But Vonte gets put in handcuffs and taken to jail.
And the reason he was taken to jail, and this
completely floored me when I look this up, is that, yes,
Indiana or excuse me, yes, Ohio has a law or
excuse me, has a reciprocity agreement with Indiana. At the

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same time, they also have a law that says no
person shall knowingly transport or have a loaded firearm in
a motor vehicle in such a manner that the firearm
is accessible to the operator or any passenger without leaving
the vehicle. So they're essentially trying to say, here, it's

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got to be in the trunk, or it's going to
be in the whatever locked toolbuck toolbox in the bed
of your truck. So it's got to be in the
trunk of your car, or it's got to be somewhere
where you have to get out of the vehicle to
access it. Well, hold on, how can you not have
a firearm in a motor vehicle and and yet at

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the same time say that an Indian Ana license to
carry is recognized or you how does that even happen
with people with Ohio concealed handgun licenses. Well, that's where
the rub comes in, because this has this statute has
an exception. And again the statute says, you can't knowingly
transport or have loaded or have let's start that over,

(14:23):
you can't knowingly transport or have a loaded firearm in
a motor vehicle in such a manner that the firearm
is accessible to the operator or any passenger without leaving
the vehicle. All right, that's what the losses. But then,
like most laws, it has an exception. I said, it
doesn't apply if the person transporting or possessing the handgun

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has been issued a concealed handgun license that is valid,
that that's at valid at the time in question, or
the person's an active member of the armed forces and
carrying a military ID and documentation of successful firearm training
that meets Ohio requirements. So it says if you've been
issued a concealed handgun license, And the prosecutor in this

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case in Lucas County, Ohio is apparently taking the position
that the reference in that exception, if you have a
concealed handgun license, is only for someone with an Ohio
concealed handgun license. And again, we don't call ours a
concealed handgun license. And there's a I'm sure that's a

(15:31):
defined term in their statute referring specifically to the Ohio license.
So the prosecutor that's trying to put Vante Garrett in
prison for a felony is taking the position that because
the statute does not say there's an exception to this rule,
you can't have a loaded firearm accessible from inside the
firearm excuse me inside the vehicle. The exception only applies

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to someone with an Ohio license to carry, because the
statute doesn't say if they've been issued a concealed handgun
license or a license from a state that Ohio has
entered into a reciprocity agreement with. It doesn't have that
second provision. Could a court look at this and say,

(16:22):
hold on the reference to if they've been issued a
concealed handgun license. That has to refer both to the
Ohio license and any other license that Ohio recognizes. But
that's not exactly what it says. And when you're looking
at potential felony charges and a felony conviction after which
you've lost your gun rights and for which you can

(16:44):
spend substantial period of time in prison, that kind of
ambiguity is not something I want to rely upon. And
this threw me. This absolutely threw me when I when
I read it, because I'm saying, holy heck. I have
taken my gun, my handgun into Ohio multiple times since

(17:05):
they began recognizing the Indiana license, and never once did
I think, oh, well, gosh, there's a separate law that
says I can't have a handgun accessible to me from
the passenger compartment of the vehicle. And the only exception
to that is if I have an Ohio license. That
is mind boggling to me and scary to me. And

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I think it flies in the face of the whole
reciprocity agreement between Ohio and Illinois to begin with, because
I got to believe that the vast, vast, vast majority
of people who are going to take advantage of the
fact that Ohio recognizes the Indiana license to carry are
going to transport their handgun into Ohio in a car,
and most of us are going to do that with

(17:50):
a handgun inside the passenger compartment of the car. Otherwise
it doesn't do you much good as a means of
self defense. What there's a potential carjacking in Ohio. But
hold on, mister carjacker. I'm gonna get back to the
trunk here and get my handgun and I'll be with
you in just a second. Great changing a tire on

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the side of the interstate late at night, another car
with unknown people pulls over. I'm wearing my gun and
a holster on my hip. Well, if at any point
in time I had that gun in a holster on
my hip inside the vehicle in Ohio. According anyway, to
the Lucas County Prosecutor's office, apparently I committed a felony.

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So I wanted to get that word out. But it
is a really good example of what I talk about
here often, which is taking your gun into another state
if all you do is look up whether that state
recognizes the Indian license to carry, think, there you go.
I'm good. That's a naive mistake. But even as the

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guy who preaches that sermon often, this one threw me
because I'm saying, hell, I didn't know that, and I'll
guarantee you I was as subject to being put in
jail as Vonte Garrett. Now, maybe, and I'm speculating here,
I'd be less likely to get pulled over for something
trivial like my license plate not matching my registration in

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Lucas County, Ohio by a sheriff's deputy, and Vante was.
But I'm perhaps casting as persions on the sheriff's department
there that they don't deserve. But scary situation. I wanted
to put that out there, but it's a great example
because again, I've actually gotten calls from the Hamilton County jail.

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And I'm talking about Hamilton County, Ohio, where people have
called and said, hey, I'm in jail in Ohio. I
know what you do for a living as an attorney
in Indiana. Guide do you know an Ohio lawyer that
does the same thing you do? Because I'm in jail,
I was like, what happened? I had one person who

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got pulled over on the Interstate in Ohio and his
registration for his car was in his glove compartment and
he had his handgun sitting on top of the registration.
And this is somebody else again with an Indiana license
to carry. And as the officer was walking up, he thought,

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you know what, I need to get my registration out.
And I want to be above board here and make
sure the officer doesn't think I'm trying to hide the
fact that I have a gun in the car. So
I'll just put the gun right up here on the
dashboard and get my registration out. So he touched the
gun as the officer was walking up. He gets yanked

(20:49):
out of the vehicle. He gets arrested for failure to inform. Well,
he didn't really have a chance to inform the officer
was just walking up, opens the door, grabs him and
throws him on the ground. At no point did he
have an opportunity before that happened to inform the officer
there was a gun in the car. But what he
did do this, apparently he was on officers dash cam
and or bodycam video, was he touched the gun during

(21:11):
the traffic stop. And that right there made traveling into
Ohio with my gun a little scary. And that's one
of the reasons I looked those things up. But just
know there was at least one set of of law
enforcement officers and prosecutors in one particular accounting in Ohio

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would take the position that having an Indiana license to
carry isn't good enough to legalize having a gun accessible
to you from within the passenger compartment of a motor
vehicle in Ohio. News to me, wanting to get the
word out to you, We're going to take a break
here at the bottom of the hour. We come back.
I think we got some folks on the phone line,
so I will go to the phone and answer calls,

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join the discussion, questions, comments. Love to have you call
in and join the show. It's three point seven ninety
three ninety three. That's three one seven two three nine
ninety three ninety three. This is Guy Ralford on The
Gun Guy Show on ninety three WIBC, the.

Speaker 1 (22:12):
Show about gun rights, gun safety, and responsible gun ownership.
This is the Gun Guy with Guy Ralford on ninety
three WYBC.

Speaker 3 (22:22):
And welcome back on Guy Ralford on The Gun Guy
Show on ninety three WIBC. Got a number of callers,
Let's go to the phone lines. Tim has called in. Tim,
Welcome to the Gun Guy Show.

Speaker 4 (22:32):
Hey guys, thanks for checking a call.

Speaker 3 (22:33):
I got a question for you, sure, buddy.

Speaker 4 (22:35):
When you get pulled, when you get pulled over and
they've read your plate, doesn't it automatically tell them that
there's somebody's got a license for the carry a gun.

Speaker 3 (22:43):
That is a great question, Tim, And the answer is no,
not when they run your license plate, but when they
run your driver's license. In Indiana, the driver's license database
and the license to carry database are linked, and so
with when they run your driver license, they're told. Now
what some officers will do, and some departments have or

(23:05):
different departments have different SOPs on this standard operating procedures.
But what some offers officers will do if they're pulling
somebody over, or they're even considering pulling somebody over, they'll
run their plate and then the registered owner comes up
on their computer when they run the plate, and then
they can run the driver's license of the registered owner.

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Now that doesn't mean that the registered owner is necessarily
the one driving, right. You can lend your car to somebody,
or cars can be shared, you know, by roommates or whatnot.
But they'll do that and then so that happens often
so sometimes the officer knows before they even get out
of their car because they've run the plate. Then they've
run the driver's license that the person has a license

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to carry. But what what made ask that? Tim?

Speaker 4 (23:52):
Well, the reason is the last time I got pulled over,
it was down a Franklin, Johnson County, and the guy
had his hands on the gun right then, right when
he's walking up, and it just kind of caught me
off card because I've been pulled over before before I
got my permit. I got a lifetime and they were
more at ease. And the first thing I'm tell him, like,
you say, just be smart, hey man, I got a

(24:13):
gas and the consoles from here, and they ninety nine
percent of the time, I say, you don't pull yours,
I won't pull mine.

Speaker 3 (24:19):
Exactly. I've had a police officer say exactly that. Carmel
officer said exactly that. He goes, tell you what, you
don't touch yours, I won't touch mine, and we both laughed,
and he ended up giving me a warning for seventy
two and forty five. No less exactly was let me
guess tim was this he younger guy? Yeah, it was there,
you go that, And and that's been my experience. You know,

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I talked to a lot officers a lot of times.
A lot of my friends are police officers, and I
trained with a lot of police officers. And even though
as a defense attorney doing criminal defense work, police and
I are sometimes sort of enemies in the wild, Nonetheless,
I deeply respect police officers and and my experience has

(25:01):
been the ninety nine plus percent of them are good,
good people doing a hard job, putting their life on
the line, putting their life on the line to protect
their community, and because they care about their community. Now
like any profession, and that's true of lawyers and any
other profession. I can think of radio hosts. There some
I certainly don't care much for. But like any profession,

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there are certainly some rotten apples among police officers, but
in my experience is very seldom. But in talking to them,
the older officers been around for a while, the more
experienced ones, they've gotten to the point where they're used
to having guns and vehicles. It's just not a big deal,
especially anymore, and especially in Indiana. And in the last ten

(25:44):
years or so, I've had officers tell me they go, hell,
it's weird if there's not a gun in a car.
So they're very relaxed about it. And in one time,
I got pulled over for speeding on my way down
to the studio. Actually, I was on Fall Creek Boulevard
coming across and got pulled over. I was only like
eleven miles an hour over to speed limit there on
Fall Creek, and I thought, oh, really okay, And so

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I pulled off on a little side street and the
guy pulled up behind me, and he was kind of rushed,
like he was in a hurry to get somewhere else.
And they handed him, you know, a license registration, proof
of insurance, and I put my license to carry right
on top. And I've done that a number of times before,
and the times I've done it, it's worked great because
an officer looks at it and says, oh, I take it.

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There's a gun in the car, Yes, sir, there is.
Where is it? It's in a holster. I'm carrying an
appendix holster today. And just like Tim said, just now,
you know, I've had several officers because I drive a
little fast and sometimes I get pulled over. I've had
several officers say all right, let's just leave it where
it is, shall we? Or again i'd won an officer
with a smile on his face. He said, you won't

(26:49):
touch yours, I won't touch mine, and we both laughed
and went on about business. This officer, that IMPD that
pulled me off on Fall Creek or on Fall Creek Boulevard,
he looked at my license security goes, what did you
give me this for? I don't need this, and he
handed it back to me and he never mentioned the
gun again. But I think officers were experienced officers tend

(27:10):
to have that approach. Now, I think younger officers tend
to be just because they're younger and less experienced, and
they're a little more nervous about traffic stops and listen,
I've never been a cop, and I can't imagine what
it's like walk walking up I mean, if you're doing
this consistently, especially at night, walking up the window after window,
car after car, not knowing if you're going to be

(27:33):
met with a friendly smile or you know, the muzzle
of a gun. I mean, I understand that can be
a scary proposition, but in my mind that a lot
of the experienced officers are not when they know when
when someone is otherwise not presenting in any kind of
you know, alarm or threat to the officer and simply says, sir,
yes there's a gun in my car. I wanted to

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let you know, most officers that are having the experience
at all don't react much to that, and that's certainly
been my experience. But in doing the show, I mean,
I've done I've done shows. I've done a complete two
hour show on traffic stops, and it's really kind of
fascinating because people keep calling in with with story after story,
just like Tim just did, of what happened to them,
and it can really vary. I had one person this

(28:17):
is probably five or six years ago, you know, we've
been doing the Gun Guy show for ten years now
as of what Joel ass Lets just lasted July last month.
But I had one person five six years ago. I
was doing a show on traffic stops. Guy called and said,
he said, oh man, he said, I have state police
trooper call pulled me over, very young officer who who

(28:39):
asked me for my driver's license, and I said, well,
it's in my wallet. Let me get it, he said,
And I pulled my wallet out and as I was
going through the cards in my wallet looking for my license,
the officer saw my license to carry, and he said.
The officer pulled his gun, pointed it at the side
of my head and started screaming, where's the gun, where's
the gun? That it was just one caller a long time,

(29:02):
not a long time ago, five six years ago is
my best guess. And that's and that's a really extreme thing.
Although I've had other people, whether I've talked to them
at the office or have called the show, or or
or on social media or otherwise. Another person said, I
voluntarily disclosed I had a gun in the car, and
the officer took me out of the car, put me

(29:23):
in handcuffs and parked me in the back seat of
his car. Well, he took possession of the gun and
ran the serial number, and I ran my license to
carry and make sure it was still valid. This was
before constitutional carry. And then when he gave my gun back,
he put it on the back seat dismantled. He had
he had done a field strip on the gun. And

(29:45):
did somebody else say that they they got their gun
back the same thing, put it in the back seat,
but the officer kept the ammunition. Another one guy said
he he'd been drinking, so he had his teenage son
who had a driver's license, who was who he had
driving the car, and they got pulled over. The kid

(30:07):
took a turn without a turn signal or some such thing.
It was something minor, and officer came up started asking
questions and quickly became a parent that the person who
owned the car was having his sun drive because he
had a bunch of cocktails. And at some point it
came up there was a gun in the car, and
he goes, well, if you've been drinking and the kid's underage,
I'm taking the gun. And the officer this is in

(30:30):
a more rural county and I will on't want to guess.
I don't want to cast any expersions on any departments
that don't deserve It was. It was in a county
south of Indianapolis, and the officer took the gun I
think there were a couple of guns in the car,
took him and took him to the police station or
sheriff's office and said you can pick them up tomorrow,

(30:50):
and didn't even didn't even allow them to continue in
possession of the guns. And I you know, you've got
one person who's who's who doesn't have a license, for instance,
and has a driver's license, doesn't have a license to carry,
but is underage to possess a gun, and another person
who's been drinking. All right, it was that officer being

(31:12):
heavy handed or looking out for people's safety. I could
argue that either way. But by the way, I don't
tell those stories. I just went through to bash police
officers because my personal experience officers have been great and
professional and relaxed, and you know, I try to be respectful.
I'm not going to wave or relinquish or voluntarily give

(31:34):
up any of my constitutional rights, but I'm going to
be absolutely cordial polite, pleasant hands at ten and two.
I've got a bit of tin on all four windows
in my car. I'm going to put all four windows down.
I'm gonna turn on the interior light. If it's nighttime,
I'll have my hands at ten and two. And I'm
sure this and mam that, and that's not giving up

(31:57):
anything other than just being respectful and cordial my mind.
But my experience with police officers in and around the
Indy area has been great. But I go back and
revisit this issue in Ohio. And that's really why I
wanted to get that word out there, because even with
with Ohio recognizing the Indiana license, a guy still facing

(32:18):
fellony charges for having a gun in the car. Man,
that is so spooky to me. And I hate learning
something like that for the first time because I didn't
already know it. And again, I focused on Indiana law certainly,
but Ohio is just one stayed over and that was
important information to me. We're a little past the three quarters.
I will come back for a short secment. We will

(32:39):
go right to the phone. So we've got James and
Bob on hold. We'll get to both of those guys
if we have time. Right when we come back, says
Guy Ralford on The Gun Guy Show on ninety three WIBC.

Speaker 1 (32:58):
Rights sure, responsibility your guns. This is the Gun Guy
with Guy Ralford on ninety three w IVC.

Speaker 3 (33:07):
And welcome back. We got a little bit of a
short segment, but let's go right to the phone lines
and James has been on hold. James, welcome to the
Gun Guy Show.

Speaker 5 (33:14):
Hi, I appreciate you taking my call. Sure, have a
quick question when you're outside the vehicle, if you have
an Indiana license in Ohio, are you okay with them
with carry? And also if you're on your Harley it's
on your side, are you okay? I appreciate you taking

(33:35):
my call and.

Speaker 3 (33:35):
I'll great great, great questions James, and listen, a huge
caveat I'm not an Ohio attorney. I'll give you based
on a little bit of speculation and not legal advice.
First of all, talking about vehicles and listen, I'm a
Harley rider. If you if you're on a motorcycle and
the carrying of guns, I've always I've always said that

(33:56):
that I think you know on on a motors is
going to be interpreted as being in a vehicle when
you go read these statutes and where it says you
can't be in a vehicle or have a gun in
a vehicle where it's accessible, I got to believe that's
going to apply. So this news I shouldn't say broke

(34:18):
because it may not be news to anybody else. It
was certainly knows to me news to me. But you
know what we were discussing about, you can't have a
gun accessible. I got to believe that would include having
it on your hip in Ohio, on a motorcycle, outside
your car. The statute we're talking about about not having

(34:39):
a gun in a vehicle that's accessible without getting out
of the vehicle doesn't apply if you're just walking around.
And my god, if you can't have a handgun on
your person, then what good is Ohio recognizing the Indiana
license at all? When does it ever apply? And so
I have to believe, and truly want to believe, because
I've been in that circumstance often, that having a gun

(35:01):
on your hip in Ohio outside of vehicle is going
to be totally legal. I'll tell you what, if you're
on the hold, we'll get back. We'll get right back
to you as soon as we can. We have to
take a break here at the top of the hour.
This is Guy Ralford on The Gun Guy Show on
ninety three WIBC.

Speaker 1 (35:15):
A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of
a free state, the right of the people to keep
in their arms shall not be infringed. This is the
Second Amendment, and this is the Gun Guy.

Speaker 2 (35:31):
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boom boom bang bang.

Speaker 1 (35:40):
Bo Guy Ralford on ninety three WYBC.

Speaker 3 (35:44):
And welcome back for hour number two The Gun Guy
Show here on ninety three WIBC. In the first hour,
we were talking about a really disturbing case, a prosecution
of a gentleman who was in Ohio. Vante is his name.
He was in Ohio traveling back to Indiana's an Indiana
resident and had an Indiana license to carry and was

(36:07):
pulled over disclosed he had a gun in the car
and is being prosecuted even though he has a license
to carry, and even though Ohio recognizes the Indiana license,
because there's an Ohio statute that says he can't have
a gun accessible to you, a loaded gun accessible to
you inside a vehicle. It can't be accessible to anyone,
the driver or the passenger without getting out of the vehicle.

(36:30):
And then there's an exception to that, which if you
have a concealed carry license, which is what Ohio calls
their license, and the prosecutor in that county, it's Lucas County,
Ohio is taking the position that means exclusively the Ohio license.
If you have a license from another state like Indiana,

(36:51):
that Ohio recognizes that's not good enough, so that you
cannot have a gun accessible to you inside a loaded
gun accessible to you inside a vehicle. That's shocking to me,
and that's why I wanted to get that out there.
But in the meantime that has sparked a number of calls,
including I think from Bob, who's been on hold for
quite some time. Bob, thanks for.

Speaker 6 (37:11):
Your patients related the situation to your previous caller. Truck,
no toolbox, standard cab, what happens in Ohio.

Speaker 3 (37:24):
Well, yeah, I mean, I suppose if you had not
that I would ever in a million years advocate for
this or even say it was acceptable. But I suppose
if you had a gun, you know, sliding around in
the back of your open bed of your pickup truck
that's not accessible from the cab of the truck without
getting out of the vehicle, right, So I suppose that

(37:46):
would be okay, now if you had it in a case,
in a bag, strapped down, or even secured somehow. I mean,
I've got a couple of safes that have security cables,
So I could have a safe secured in the back
of a pickup, you know, with a steel security cable
keeping it in place, keeping anybody else from accessing it.

(38:06):
Sounds like that would be okay, Bob in Ohio, because
I couldn't get to it without getting out of the vehicle, right,
makes sense to you?

Speaker 6 (38:15):
Uh, I wanted to hear.

Speaker 3 (38:17):
But yeah, I mean that's why, that's why this is
so scary. Let's go back to the phone lines, and
I'll tell you what I always have a hard time
reading Vluth. That's that's what.

Speaker 6 (38:34):
We have in here.

Speaker 3 (38:35):
Yeah, welcome to the gun Guy Show.

Speaker 4 (38:38):
Hi, gay Ye love your show.

Speaker 3 (38:40):
Okay, Hi, how are you?

Speaker 5 (38:42):
I'm doing great?

Speaker 3 (38:43):
How are you very well?

Speaker 2 (38:46):
Good?

Speaker 4 (38:46):
Well?

Speaker 7 (38:47):
My question was similar to Bob, I have it s
UV not as trunk?

Speaker 4 (38:52):
What do I do?

Speaker 3 (38:54):
I think I think the one thing it would be
if you're in Ohio. And again this doesn't matter if
you're here in Indiana possessing, for instance, a handgun either
under constitutional carry or with an Indiana license. But in Ohio,
I would have it unloaded, since you know, essentially the
entire interior of an suv is accessible from the interior

(39:17):
right to either you or a passenger. The Ohio statute
is limited to having a loaded gun accessible to someone
in a vehicle. So I would have it unloaded, and
then me even locked up. So there are multiple steps
you'd have to take, like unlocking a box, a safe,
a lock box, something along those lines before you can

(39:38):
access it. That to me, would would provide you some security.
Back to the phone lines again, Brian, Brian, you're on
the Gun Guy show.

Speaker 7 (39:49):
Good I the comment about Premiere Arms. I just got
back from there. Little did I know it was a
gun store for rich They would only sell Lamborghineas and
Mercedes and BMW's.

Speaker 3 (40:04):
Well listen, hey, full disclosure.

Speaker 7 (40:06):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (40:07):
Premiere Arms are one of our very best sponsors here
at wib C. They do a lot with Tony Katz.
They sponsored Monday Gun Day for me with Hammer and
Nigel for my segment there every Monday and I gotta
tell you, I've been out there a lot, and they've
got I mean, they've got you, you know, your basic
you know, middle of the market type guns, and they
have clocks and SIGs. I mean that they're not only

(40:28):
selling Wilson combats and and you know, high end firearms
out there.

Speaker 4 (40:34):
You got time for a historical question.

Speaker 7 (40:36):
Sure, why was the British AA s A is so
enamored with the Browning nine millimeters high power?

Speaker 3 (40:46):
Is that a question or you want to show off
what you know about that, because I honestly don't know.

Speaker 4 (40:50):
That is the honest question.

Speaker 7 (40:51):
As you well know, no one will shot more people
than the British sas with the pistol.

Speaker 3 (40:57):
Well you know what that that's why it is a
fair question. I look, a lot of people are huge
fans of the Browning high Power. A lot of people
you know where where John Moses Browning I don't know
why that wasn't coming to me right away, where John
Moses Browning gets an awful lot of love for the

(41:18):
nineteen eleven as he should, as well as several other
inventions of his. I mean, my gosh, the bar and
they're just he goes on and on and on. But
in terms of handguns, a lot of people say, oh, man,
you know, the nineteen eleven has been such a venerable
and respected firearm for so long. I've got the original
patent drawing from John Moses Browning's patent of the nineteen eleven.

(41:42):
I've got that up in my office. But a lot
of people that really know firearms very very well are
actually more in love with the high power than the
nineteen eleven. So I know it gets a lot of
love from a lot of different sources. Well'll tell you what.
Let's switch gear a little bit. Let's switch gears a
little bit. I always want to continue to take calls
throughout the show. Feel free to join us three one

(42:05):
seven two nine ninety three ninety three as we go
throughout the show. But let's switch gears a little bit.
And it was interesting to me. I saw a news
article that said that, and I mentioned this just very
briefly at the start of the show, that Kentucky Representative
Thomas Massey, And look, he's I think a true conservative.

(42:25):
He bumps heads with even the other Republicans in Washington
quite a bit. In Congress. He tends to stand on
principle on spending issues, which I respect. He tends to
stand on principle on Second Amendment issues, which I deeply respect.
But he announced here just this last week after the

(42:46):
Minneapolis church slash school shooting, it was a Catholic school
also had its own church on the premises and uh,
some deranged transgender again transgender individual who by the way,
rote a manifesto and that has been reviewed by law

(43:08):
enforcement and excerpts of it continue to be released. But
after this as shooting on school property, Thomas Massey proposed
repeal of the Federal Gun Free School Zones Act, and
he said, look, schools as so called gun free zones

(43:33):
just means that they're safe places for mass killers to
go perform mass shootings. And then you want to go
murder a bunch of people and murder as many people
as you possibly can. Then you want to go where
you're not going to meet armed resistance, or at least
there's going to be a substantial response time before you're

(43:55):
met with armed resistance. And a lot of mass shooters
select schools for exactly that reason. So Thomas Massey says, well,
at least part of the reason that schools are safe
zones for mass shooters is the Federal Gun Free School
Zones Act, so he wants to repeal it and a

(44:17):
couple of things. First of all, is it true that
the Minneapolis shooter who killed a couple of young kids
who were just in church praying. I mean, what a demented,
low life piece of you know, what do you have
to be to want to kill young kids that are

(44:37):
praying in church, sitting in pews. It's mind boggling to
me that the depths of depravity some of these people
sink to. But is there any indication that this person
actually selected this particular church slash school because it was
a gun free zone? Well, actually, yeah, that's in his manifesto.

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And yes it's a hymn who was pretending to be
a female calling himself transgender. And even in his manifesto
when he's talking about shooting up this particular church and school,
he said, it seems like the kind of school to
not arm their teachers. That's a quote I'm reading from

(45:23):
one news account from his manifesto and another place in
the same manifesto quote, I bet that liberal school does
not allow teachers to carry end quote. He's selecting that
church and in that school specifically because he doesn't think
he's going to meet armed resistance. And listen, that fits

(45:47):
perfectly with something I've talked about before, which is, and
I've gone to training courses on this. And there's a
gentleman named Ed Monk. I went to his training course
for the National Association of School Resource Officers when it
was here in Indianapolis a couple of years ago, and

(46:08):
he was nice enough to invite me. I went to
the whole thing, and he says, listen, the number of
victims you're going to get, the number of casualties killed
and wounded in a mass shooting. He goes, it comes
down to time and math. I mean, in other words,
we know before a mass shooter meets armed resistance. And

(46:30):
it's not dependent on the type of firearm, although we
hear that NonStop. It's about time and math. Because a
certain amount of time goes by before there's armed resistance,
we know the number of people are going to die
within parameters. We know how many people are going to
get wounded and how many are going to die based

(46:51):
on simple time, the time before the second gun arrives,
the time before armed or resistance arrives, and if there's
armed resistance already on the scene, like Eli Dick and
my friend and my client in the Greenwood Park Mall.
He was in the food court when the bad guy
who will not be named on my show showed up

(47:13):
in the food court and started murdering people. And that
mass shooting lasted fifteen seconds period total, because that's how
long it took for Eli to see what was going on,
realize what the situation was, decide to take action and
stop that mass shooting, which he did by shooting the

(47:33):
mass shooter starting from forty three yards away all the
way across the food the food court, but from Eli's
first shot which hit the bad guy from forty three
yards away, bad guy did not pull the trigger another time.
So time in math fifteen seconds. Damn few people died.

(47:53):
Now three innocent people lost their lives. And I don't
ever want to talk about that shooting without mentioning that
you know did to some degree. People celebrate the Greenwood
Park Mall shooting because it showed a heroic citizen carrying
concealed legally stopping a mass shooting, even though we hit

(48:15):
here from anti gun people that that quote unquote never happens,
and so well a lot of us look at that
as a positive thing because it proved just the opposite
that yes, it does happen. It did happen. It happened
right here in central Indiana. But three innocent people lost
their lives. But you know why only three innocent people
lost their lives and not three dozen or more, given

(48:39):
the number of people who were in that mall on
a Sunday night near closing time. It was because an
armed citizen was there. And the whole thing lasted fifteen
seconds time and math fifteen seconds. Damn few people died
because the armed resistance was already there. And you know
who knows that. Mass shooters know that, which is why

(49:02):
this guy, who also will not be named in Minneapolis
will not be named here on my show said, you know,
this seems like the kind of school did not arm
their teachers. I bet this liberal school does not allow
their teachers to carry That's why he selected it. So
Thomas Massey wants to repeal the federal gun Free School

(49:22):
Zone ZAC if that were to happen, and that's certainly
not anything I'm predicting, notwithstanding the narrow majority of Republicans
in both houses of Congress. But if it were to happen,
what difference would that make. That's what we'll get into,
as well as take your calls and get back to
the phone lines here when we continue, give us a call,

(49:43):
join the discussion. Three one seven two three nine ninety
three ninety three. That's three one seven ninety three ninety three,
says Guy Ralford on The Gun Guy Show on ninety
three WIBC.

Speaker 1 (50:02):
Now you've got a gun guy, Guy Ralford on ninety
three WYPCA.

Speaker 3 (50:10):
Welcome back on, Guy Ralford on The Gun Guys Show.
So Thomas Massey, representative from Kentucky, wants to repeal the
Federal Gun Free School Zones Act. What would that really mean? Well,
what the Gun Free School Zones Act, the federal statute.
And by the way, we have an Indiana state law
as well well, a lot of people refer to as
the Indiana Gun Free School Zones Act that also proivents

(50:34):
firearms on school property. But would we have to as
Representative Massey seems to imply in his press release, well,
we have to repeal the Gun Free School Zones Act
the federal statute in order for teachers or armed security
or anyone else to have guns on school property. Well,
the federal statue, it has a big exception to it.

(50:58):
It says, in some sense, it's much broader than the
Indiana statute. But it has a huge exception. And the
reason it's much broader as it says, you can't have
a gun in a school zone. And a school zone
is defined as a school property, that is property actually
owned by a school, or anything within a thousand feet
anywhere within a thousand feet of school property. So if

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a school owns right out to the sidewalk, you can't
be within a thousand feet of the edge of that sidewalk.
Now there's a bunch of exceptions. You're on private property,
not a part of the school. I mean a lot
of people live within a thousand feet of a school. Well,
doesn't apply to that. But it has several other exceptions,
but a huge one is the federal statute does not

(51:41):
apply get this, if you're licensed by the state in
which the school is located to possess a firewarm So
in Indiana, if you're licensed by the state of Indiana,
the federal statute and don't get too excited, because the
Indiana state statute prohibiting guns on school property does not
have this exception for crying out loud, don't go to

(52:03):
parent teacher Knight carrying your gun in a holster. Because
you have a license, you wouldn't be arrested under federal law,
but you're sure as hell would under state law. But
the federal statute that represented Massey wants to repeal has
law enforcement exception, but has enforcement for anyone licensed by
the state in which the school is located. Indiana says,

(52:24):
you cannot have a gun on school property itself. We
don't have any buffer zone, this thousand foot or any
other distance. You just can't have a gun on school
property itself. Several exceptions to it. In fact, I've helped
write and written some bills entirely that have dramatically improved
the Indiana guns on school property law because, for instance,

(52:49):
now on school property, if you lawfully possess that firearm,
you can leave that gun in your car on school
property when you get out of your car, as long
as is locked in the glove compartment of a locked car,
it's locked in the trunk, or it's otherwise stored out
of sight in a locked vehicle, out of sight in
a locked vehicle. That's new. That's within the last five

(53:10):
years or so we passed that used to be if
you got out of your car and left a gun
in it, even if it was locked in the trunk
or locked somewhere in the vehicle itself out of sight,
used to be a felony. Now it's totally legal, something
that directly applies to what just happened in Minneapolis. It's
never been against the law, specifically in Indiana to have

(53:32):
a gun, to possess a gun in a church, But
as I say, it's against the law to have a
gun on school property. And school property is defined as
any property or other building co owned or on the
same land, the same property with a school. And so
up until twenty nineteen, if there was a school and

(53:53):
a church on the same property, you could not go
to church and carry your gun, even though the school
was closed on Sunday or Saturday, whenever it is you're
attending a worship service, you could not take your gun
because it was school property. Could not take your gun
to church because there was a school somewhere on the
same property, or a licensed daycare on the same building
or on the same property. And that's what we're talking about.

(54:15):
K through twelve both a federal law and the state law.
We're talking about K through twelve and licensed daycares in Minneapolis.
If they'd have had Indiana's law before twenty nineteen, anybody
going to church in that church, which was on school property,
could not have legally carried a gun. We changed that
in twenty nineteen. In twenty nineteen, if you're attending a

(54:40):
worship service or a religious ceremony in a house of worship,
you can carry any gun that you lawfully possess. So
if you have a licensed to carry, you're carrying under
constitutional carring, you can carry that to church even though
it's on school property. But the federal statu has this

(55:02):
big exception. If you're licensed by this by the state
in which the school is located, then you're not violating
the federal statute. So as far as mister mass here,
Representative Massey wanting to repeal that federal Gun Free School
Zone Zact, Hey, anytime we're eliminating gun control, I'm a fan.
That wouldn't affect the Indiana statute. And it's not a
huge deal because a long as you have your license

(55:24):
in Indiana, that federal statue doesn't apply to you. Anyway.
Now that is a reason I say often even though
we have constitutional carry, and I fought for ten years
to get that passed. I helped write the bill that
finally passed in twenty twenty two, and I spent a
lot of time at the State House, a lot of
time on the phone and on an email and every
other mode of communication I could think of to try

(55:46):
to get that passed. Over ten years, we got it passed.
But let's say you're within a thousand feet of a school,
but you're carrying under constitutional carry. Now you don't fall
within that exception where you're licensed to possess a gun
by the state in which the school is located. Now
you've got a potential problem under the Gun Free School

(56:08):
Zones Act. But do we need all this to happen
in Indiana? Do we need to repeal the Federal Gun
Free School Zones Act to have guns on school property,
to allow teachers to carry, or to allow the school
to have armed security private security. No, we don't, because
as long as those people have a license to carry,

(56:29):
they're outside the Federal Gun Free School Zones Act. And
get this in Indiana, even though there's not the licensing
exception that is, there's no exception for having a license
to carry to the prohibition about having a gun on
school property under the Indiana statute. So even though I
have my license to carry, if I now again, there's

(56:51):
an exception for having a gun in a vehicle or
leaving a gun in a locked vehicle out of sight.
Those are exceptions. Let's say I walk onto school property
carrying a gun and a holster in Indiana, I just
walk right up into the parking lot and approach the
front door. I've got a gun in a holster, I'm
carrying openly. I've got my Indiana license. I'm not violating

(57:12):
the federal statute. But I sure as hell I'm violating
the state statute, and I go to prison on a
level sixth felony because having a license is not an
exception under the state statute. However, we have a different
exception in Indiana that would allow schools to arm teachers
or other security private security, which is, you can have

(57:33):
a gun on school property separate apart from any license,
which does help you under the federal statute, but separate
apart from that under Indiana law, you can have a
gun on school property. Can possess a firearm on school
property if you're authorized by the school board to do
so so. If a school board decides to arm teachers,

(57:55):
and again, a lot of discussions since the Minnesota shooting,
it's a there's been a lot of discussion periodically since
Sandy Hook in Connecticut many years ago. We don't need
to change the law to allow teachers or staff or
other private citizens to carry a gun on school property.
If they have a license, they're good under federal law,

(58:16):
and if they have the permission of the school board.
In some schools, like charter schools don't have boards, but
it says a school board or body that administers are
charter school, if you have authorization from that school board
or other body that administers a charter school to have
a gun on school property, you can have a gun
today on school property. We don't need repeal now, not

(58:39):
that I'm saying Thomas Massey's having a bad idea to
repeal the federal gun free school ZONESE. Anytime we repeal
gun control, I'm generally going to favor it. But we
don't need that to happen in Indiana to have armed security.
Are there any schools in Indiana doing this. Yes, yes,
there are and get this. For about the last two
or three years. It's a bill passed that was authored

(59:01):
by Jim Lucas down in District sixty nine. Jim authored
a bill that's a great bill, and I went and
argued for it. I had nothing to do with writing it.
That was all Jim and people he worked with at
the Law Enforcement acadey the Indiana Law Enforcement Academy out
on Plainfield. There is now a bill that has a
forty hour curriculum outlined right in the bill, and it

(59:25):
says if a school system, a school board wants to
arm its teachers and gives them authorization to be armed,
they can go through this forty hour firearm training curriculum.
It's not just firearms field first aid, it's gunshot first aid,
it's active shooter response, it's firearm security and retention, which

(59:46):
is huge in a school environment. Obviously, Then if they
wanted to put their teachers through that, it provides the
curriculum and the state will give grants to pay for it.
So in Indiana we have the infrastructure legally, we have
the infrastructure funding wise, we have the infrastructure for schools
to arm teachers or other staff if they want to.

(01:00:09):
It's up to the school board. You don't have to
worry about the federal statute. If they have a license
to carry, you don't have to worry about the state statute.
If they have authorization of the school board or body
that it administers a charter school, that's huge. That's huge.
I'm not saying Representative Massey's idea is a bad one.
I'm saying we don't need that to happen in Indiana
to do the right thing, given the fact that the

(01:00:30):
number of casualties. This is proven detailed study again, detailed
study on every active shooting that's ever happened in Indiana
by mister Monk, who I talked about earlier. Ed Monk
shows it's all about the timing of the first responder
with a gun, and if they're already armed, there's already

(01:00:52):
armed security right there on site to respond immediately. That's
going to dramatically cut down casualties every single time. And
it's time and math, as Edmunk says, and he's proven it.
You want to read a great book on this, it's
on Amazon. It's the first thirty seconds. It's the name
of his book is just out. It's only been out

(01:01:13):
a month or two. The first thirty seconds you want
to know about mass shootings, you will know what it
takes to reduce the number of casualties. I mean that, hell, Liberals, Democrats,
what have you believe? Will we just passed through a
saw weapon ban it'll stop mass shootings. I keep hearing
that Congress and Republicans in Congress and President Trump have
the ability to stop school shootings. They just won't do it.

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They don't have the political courage to ban ass all weapons.
I'm sorry. The worst school shooting in history at Virginia
Tech was done with two handguns, and I had the
most casualties of any school shootings we've ever seen school shootings.
The worst school catastrophe in terms of murder of students
in a school was in Michigan, where there were no

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guns involved. It was done with explosives. So this idea
of stopping mass shootings by taking legal firearms away from
law abiding gun owners is ludicrous to me. And the
idea we're going to quote unquote stop mass shootings by
banning certain classes of weapons is moronic. It's not just counterintuitive,

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it's downright stupid. But what we can do is limit
the number of casualties, and one of the ways to
do that is having an armed response on property. And
in Indiana that's completely doable for any school in any
school district where they have the political will to get
it done. I'm way past the bottom of the hour's time.

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Take a break, we'll come back and I'll get to
the phone lines. This is Guy Ralford on The Gun
Guy Show on ninety three WIBC.

Speaker 1 (01:02:48):
Second to nine on this second amendment. This is the
Gun Guy with Guy Ralford on ninety three WYPC.

Speaker 3 (01:02:56):
And welcome back. I'm Guy Ralford on The Gun Guy
Show on ninety three WIBC. I had a caller who
couldn't stay on the line, but he had a question.
He said, he walks his dogs past school property and
carries a gun when he does so. Does he have
a problem. Well, the federal Statute Gun Free School Zone
ZACH says you can't be within a thousand feet of
a school and possess a firearm. But there's a big exception,

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which is if you're licensed by the state in which
the school is located to possess that firearm. So if
you have a handgun license, you're good to go. If
you don't have a handgun license and you're carrying under
constitutional carry, you could theoretically have a problem. Now, I
have never once heard of somebody being prosecuted, certainly not
in Indiana for just being close to a school while

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they're carrying a gun. And get this, there's no exception
to the federal statue. There's a reason to repeal it
right here. There's no exception to the federal gun free
school zone, Zach, that says you can't have a gun
with one thousand feet of a school thousand feet of
school property. There's no exception for being on a public street.

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I mean everybody driving past a school as we all do,
most of us several times a day. If you don't
have a license for whatever guns in your vehicles, you
drive by that school, you're violating the gun free school zone, Zach.
Go again, if I ever heard anybody saying, wow, gosh,
you got pulled over for a traffic stop and you're

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here on a public street in front of a school. Therefore,
we're going to prosecute you. It's a federal statute, so
only a federal law enforcement officer would probably be focused
on that point. But it's not an exception under the law.
If somebody wanted to be a complete colossal jerk in
law enforcement, they call their buddy in the FBI or
atf whoever it was. Hey, this guy is driving down

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the streets with a thousand feet of a school. There's
no exception for being on a public street, as ridiculous
as that is. Let's go to the phone lines, and
Jack has called with a question. Jack, welcome to the
gun Guy Show.

Speaker 8 (01:04:55):
Hey guy, I'm always doing a great job. I appreciate it. Hey,
my son was going to I don't really do computers,
but my son was going to and I was looking
at stuff with him, and then all of a sudden,
this thing popped on up that said that there's a
federal license if you've got a state license, and you

(01:05:17):
could apply for this federal license and you could carry
in all fifty states. Is that true or is that
just a some kind of scam?

Speaker 3 (01:05:24):
No, that's you know what. I'm really glad you asked
that question, Jack, because there are a bunch of scams
out there and they all make me mad. And when
I see them on social media, I always call them
out and say, hey, This is a complete and total scam.
There's no such thing other than maybe having a federal
law enforcement badge, and there is for law enforcement. There's

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also LEOSA, the Law Enforcement Officer Safety Act that as
long as they remain qualified, police officers have some protection
carrying in fifty states. But there's these ads that say, hey,
you know, for a limited time only the apply for
this license or apply here and we'll get you a license.
It's good for all fifty states. There's no such thing.

Speaker 1 (01:06:06):
You know.

Speaker 3 (01:06:06):
I went and applied for a Utah license a long
time ago because that was good in something like thirty
eight states, when Indiana's at the time was only good
and I don't know it was in the low twenties,
I think. But Indiana's license now is good is I
think it. We're up to thirty two states now where
they recognize the Indiana license. Plus there are now twenty

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nine states. I think North Carolina is gonna become the thirtieth.
I have constitutional carry, and so in those twenty nine
other states currently twenty eight other than Indiana, if you
want to travel with your handgune, they have constitutional carry. Again,
subject to the caveats I was talking about earlier is
you got to know the other laws there. But these
these websites, let's say, oh, apply here. You know I've

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seen them to say, apply now for the Indiana license.
And you go to this website and they ask you
the same questions, and of course you got to pay
them money. We ask you basically the same questions that
are on the Indiana License to carry, and they go, congratulations,
you're eligible for the Indiana license if you answer correctly

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on all these questions about are you eligible? And then
it just refers you to the Indiana license to the
Indiana State Police website, where you could have just gone
there yourself directly and applied and not paid these bozos
any money. So and someone say, come take this training
course and if you pass this course, you qualify for

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the Indiana No, there is no training course required for
the Indian Ana license. You want an Indiana license, go
to the state Police website. But separately, this fifty state license,
there's no such thing. There is no such animal. And
if you fell for one of those scams, I feel badly,
But that's why I'm glad Jack called and asked, because
it is an absolute scam. They want money from you.

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And you get nothing in return. Let's take a break there,
we'll come back and wrap it up on this edition
to the Gun Guy Show on ninety three WIBC, second.

Speaker 1 (01:08:06):
To nine on this Second Amendment. This is the Gun
Guy with Guy Ralford on ninety three WYPC.

Speaker 3 (01:08:13):
And welcome back. As we wrap up this edition to
the Gun Guys Show. A little Scotus watch going on here?
What's going on in the Supreme Court? A new petition
for SIRT for Sircirari, which is asking the Supreme Court
to take a case it was here filed this last
week a number of Second Amendment groups, including the Second

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Amendment Foundation. You know, one of the reasons it breaks
my heart that we have these clowns, the Indiana Firearms
or in Indiana Firearms Coalition is they sound too much
like some legitimate organizations out there, like the National Firearms
Coalition that are doing good work. But another group that's

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doing good work is the Second Amendment Foundation two af as,
I like to call them, and they filed along with
some other local gun rights groups and other states around
the country, as well as the Second Amendment Law Center,
which also do absolutely good work. They filed an application
here recently they went the Supreme Court to take a

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case involving the constitutionality of short barreled rifles being included
within the NFA, and I talked about tax stamps going
to free starting January one. Hey, that's great, but we
all we all know the vast, vastly preferable response to
I think what is the abuse of the NFA is

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to simply repeal it. And if we can do that,
one provision at a time, including the SBRs be included
within NFA, then I'm a big fan. Suppressor shouldn't be
in it, shot barrel, shot gun, shouldn't be in it.
We ought to repeal it all together. But this is
a nice step in the right direction. That's it for
this week's show. Hope you enjoy it, Hope you come
back and remember always be safe and always shoot straight.

Speaker 1 (01:10:06):
Yeah,