The Gun Guy - Full Show - 11/29/2025

The Gun Guy - Full Show - 11/29/2025

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:09):
Bad Guy Ralford on ninety three WYBC.

Speaker 3 (00:14):
Hey, good evening, I'll looking to the Gunky show here
on ninety three WIBC. Were thrilled you're with us. I
hope you had absolutely fantastic Thanksgiving weekends so far. And hey, listen,
what was yesterday? I guess Black Friday quote unquote, where
a lot of deals are out there, whether in retail

(00:34):
stores or on the internet. You know, I guess we
have cyber Monday. It's hard for me to keep up
with these things, but apparently cyber Monday has went. Also,
there are a lot of deals for online shopping. I
don't know. Shopping's pretty much moved online to a dramatic
degree for a lot of us. Certainly it has for

(00:54):
me and my family. If you make any gun related
to a related purchases, Yesterday a big shopping day. Man.
My email was completely inundated with quote unquote deals. Some
certainly look better than others. But I did a little shopping,
you know, nothing too crazy. I got a couple of

(01:15):
muzzle brakes that are compatible with some suppressors that I
have on a couple of rifles, I can make it
a little easier to use your QD muzzle breaks that
allow a suppressor to go on real quickly and come
off real quickly. And it's kind of nice. And it's
nice to be able to move different suppressors around to

(01:36):
different rifles, assuming the calibers are all compatible, et cetera,
et cetera. But that's about all I did in terms
of Black Friday shopping. But if you did any you
had any cool purchases, went out and got a cool gun,
suppress or accessory, whatever it might be, give us a call,
brag a little bit. Hey, it's one thing to buy

(01:57):
something cool and fun that you're gonna use can very
likely make your family safer, also provide a lot of
enjoyment for you. It's one thing to own it, to
buy it. It's nothing to brag about it to get appreciated.
So give us a call and share those stories. But
around the holidays, when we're talking about shopping, we're talking

(02:21):
about making firearms related purchases. A number of questions always
come up as to questions relating to your ability to
travel with firearms, and about this time every year, we're
past the ten year anniversary now of the Gun Guy Show,
and so for a good ten years about this time

(02:43):
of year, I like talking about those issues because a
lot of people haven't thought about these things, maybe ever,
certainly not in a while. A lot of people are
confused about the legalities involved. If people are inclined to
buy a gun for a loved on a front family member,

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a lot of misinformation out there, a lot of misunderstandings
about whether that's legal, whether you can do that, whether
you could be in trouble for how you fill out
the form and the gun store that you're required to
fill out. It's called ATF Form forty four seventy three.
And people want to be honest, People want to comply
with a law, and can you do that and still

(03:25):
buy a gun for someone else? We want to get
into that and any other related questions you might have.
Give us a call three one seven two three nine
ninety three, ninety three. I'd love to hear from you,
the listening audience. But first of all, can you legally
buy a gun as a gift for someone else? There
are a lot of people out there that say, oh,
absolutely not, that's a straw purchase quote unquote, you'll go

(03:48):
to jail for ten years and everybody's going to prison,
and that's not something you can legally do. And that's
actually not the case. And by the way, if you
have questions about that form, the form that you fill out,
which is incredibly important, and listen, a little bit of paranoia,
a little bit of concern, a little hyper vigilance, maybe

(04:10):
we'll call it about filling out that form is absolutely warranted,
because you can go to jail for filling out that
forum incorrectly. I mean, Hunter Biden, before Daddy pardoned him,
was looking at a substantial period of time in jail
because of how he filled out the forty four to
seventy three when it went into buy a gun at

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a time when he has since publicly admitted he was
addicted to cocaine. And one of the questions you answer
on that form, is our a user of or addicted
to any illegal drugs? Well, Hunter clearly was. He clearly lied,
he got convicted, and of course Pope Letti mo off.
But that's an example of how filling out that form

(04:54):
incorrectly or allegedly lying on that form can land you
in a lot of trouble. So I don't denigrate anyone,
never criticize anyone for being very, very concerned and careful
about how they fill out that form. But one thing
you should know, and if you're getting ready to go
in and buy a gun, go shopping for guns or whatever,

(05:14):
pull up the full forty four seventy three form on
the internet. You get the whole thing. A lot of
us just focus on about the first page in a
quarter or so, which is what you fill out and
the gun store. Of course, now a lot of the
gun stores appropriately and conveniently have moved to a digital
form of the forty four to seventy three. But what

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makes a lot of sense is is download that form
and read the actual instructions. There are several pages of
instructions of the forty four to seventy three that actually
match right up with the sections of the form that
you fill out and the question and it used to
always be the first question, and they've modified the form

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a little bit year to year, but one of the
very early questions, if not the very first one you
fill out, is are you the actual purchaser of the firearm?
And this relates to a so called straw purchase. What's
a straw purchase. A straw purchase is where someone has
someone someone is typically not legally able to purchase a

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firearm for themselves, so they have someone else purchased that
gun for them. And the classic example is, you know,
two guys go into a gun store and they've already
made an arrangement that one who can pass a background
check and who can legally buy a gun, is going

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to buy the gun, but he's only going to buy
the gun with the money of the other person that
may have already changed hands, that may changed hands, may
change hands afterward, depending on the price of the gun.
And gun stores are getting very very good at spotting this.
But two guys come in together and one of them,

(07:06):
you're looking over the case and asking questions like, oh man,
the clock nineteen, Oh yeah, that's got an accessory roul,
you know, is that optic ready? Da da da das
that come with extra magazines? And then he whispers to
the other guy and they all nod, and all of
a sudden, the other guy goes, yeah, I'm going to
take this clock nineteen right over here. I mean, that's

(07:29):
a little bit of a silly example to show how blatant,
it can potentially be, but that's the classic example. So
if I decide that I want to buy a gun
for my wife this Christmas, which I have done in
Christmas past, and I am a very very lucky man
in the sense, well in a variety of ways when

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it comes to being married to Missus Ralford. But one
of the ways I am very very lucky to be
married to Missus Ralford is that she actually thought it
was romantic when I bought her a gun for Christmas
a few years ago. As if I ever had any doubt,
that sealed it right there that she was the right

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one for me. But if I said, you know, I'm
going to buy a Ruger LC nine S, the striker
fired version of the Ruger LC nine nine millimeter carry pistol,
solid little gun, a decent trigger on it, striker fired,
which improves that gun dramatically over previous versions of the

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LC nine, I decided I'm going to buy that gun
from my wife, and I go into the gun store
and I said, I want that LC nine S right there,
and the guy buying the counter says, you got it,
and he steers me over to the computer terminal. That's
got the forty four seventy three form on it, and
the very first question says, are you the actual purchaser?

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And I say yes, fully intending to give that gun
to my wife for Christmas? Did I just commit a
federal felony that can land me in jail for ten
years because in fact, I'm going to buy that gun
and I'm going to transfer it to my wife as
a gift for Christmas. The answer to that question is no,

(09:23):
because I'm using my own money. I haven't accepted anything
of value from another party. I haven't handed me cash
go buy them. My wife can legally buy her own gun.
She's not a prohibited possessor. I'm using my own money,
and arguably, as the law works among married couples, my

(09:47):
money's her money anyway. But I haven't accepted money from
someone else to buy a gun on their behalf. I'm
using my own funds. I'm buying the gun with the
intent to transfer that to my wife for Christmas. Is
that legal? Yes, that's legal. What if my wife is
a prohibited possessor? She hypothetically, which of course is not

(10:09):
true as to missus Ralford. But let's say she had
a felony conviction, so she cannot legally buy her own gun.
I buy a gun and transfer it to her, I've
now committed a crime. But if she's legal to purchase
a firearm, she's legally capable of buying her own firearm. Yes,
I can buy a gun as a gift. And it
says it right in the instructions. And when you go

(10:31):
to the instructions for that question. That's what's beautiful about
the forty four to seventy three I mean, it's hard
for me to use the word beautiful in the same
sentence talking about a government form, particularly when we're talking
about ATF. But what is at least convenient about the
forty four to seventy three instructions is again, the instructions
are by paragraph that line right up to the questions

(10:52):
on the form. And if you read the instructions for
the question that ask you can I or are you
the actual purchaser of the firearm, it lays out exactly
what I just said. And that's an important point. And
so you can't. Now, what if I have a AA son.

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I have two sons, and they're much older than this.
Let's say I have a son hypothetically who just turned eighteen,
And I just said earlier that my wife's capable of
buying her own gun in a gun store. I just
choose to buy one for her as a gift. That's legal.
What about my son who just turned eighteen, hypothetically speaking,

(11:40):
and I want to buy him his first handgun, Well,
he cannot legally buy a handgun in a gun store
because federal law says you have to be twenty one
to buy a gun in a gun store. So can
I buy my eighteen year old son a handgun for
Christmas taking advantage of some really cool Black Friar deal

(12:02):
here over the weekend? Or am I committing a crime
because he's not capable of buying his own gun from
a gun store because he's not twenty one. I'll go
into that and start taking your calls in questions when
we come back. Give us a call. Three one seven
two three nine ninety three ninety three three one seven
ninety three ninety three. Give us a call. I want

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to hear about your Black Friday deals and and any
any cool sales that you participated in another gear that
you acquired, or if you've got questions or comments about
the show content here tonight give us a call again.
Three one seven two three nine, ninety three, ninety three.
This is Guy Ralford on The Gun Guy Store on
ninety three WIBC. Guy Ralford for the law offices of

(12:48):
Guy Relford. You know, one of the things we really
enjoyed doing at the law firm is to restore people's
rights after they may have had something on their record
that prohibits them from owning or purchasing a firearm. For
a lot of certainly not all, but for a lot
we're able to restore your gun rights. There are a
lot of ifs and wins and conditions on that that

(13:08):
the law imposes. But if it's been eight years, for instance,
a felony conviction, then for a lot of convictions, again
not all, you can have your rights restored. And we'd
like to talk to you about that. If you're interested,
you or a family member let us know. You can
contact us through the website. Just go to Ralfordlaw dot com.
That's Relfordlaw dot com.

Speaker 2 (13:40):
Second to none on this second amendment. This is the
Gun Guy with Guy Ralford on ninety three WYPC.

Speaker 3 (13:49):
And welcome back. I'm Guy Ralford on The Gun Guy
Show on ninety three WIBC. By the way, thanks to
producer Gavin who's here running the show tonight. Gavin's going
to be our producer here for the immediate foreseeable future,
as long as he'll have us. So thanks so much
to Gavin for sitting in and helping us out running
the board that actually keeps us on the air. But

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question I posed hypothetically before the break was what if
I want to buy a handgun for my eighteen year
old son because he cannot legally buy his own handgun
from a gun store because you have to be twenty
one to buy a handgun from a gun store under
federal law. Well, there is no prohibition under state or

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federal law from me transferring a gun to an eighteen
year old as long as he's not otherwise a prohibited possessor.
In other words, no feelingly convictions, not under domestic violence
Order of Protection. There's a long list that I've talked
about here on The Gun Guy Show before. But if
he's not prohibited and he's eighteen, then I can buy

(14:58):
a gun for him as a g yet, but what
about transferring a gun under say Indiana law? Isn't that
also important? Well? Of course, we have to comply with
both state and federal law. And state law in Indiana
says that it's illegal to transfer a handgun to a

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person who is not eligible to buy their own handgun
from a licensed dealer. So right then you ought to
be saying, okay, hold on, eighteen year old can't buy
a gun from a licensed dealer. But then the Indiana
statute goes on, doesn't end there, there's no period after
cannot purchase a firearm themselves from a licensed dealer. It

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then says for reasons other than age. So if a
person is not eligible to buy a handgun from a
licensed dealer for reasons other than age, then you cannot
transfer a gun to them. But if the only issue
is that they're eighteen rather than twenty one, you fall
outside that prohibition under Indiana law. There's no federal law

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against transferring a gun to an eighteen year old, and
there's no federal law against buying a gun with your
own funds, with your own resources, Intending to transfer that
gun is a gift, So yes, I mean an eighteen
year old now will broaden it out from handguns. An
eighteen year old receiving a shotgun suitable for sporting plays

(16:28):
or trap or ski whatever sporting shooting they might be
possibly interested in. I mean, that's an awesome gift. That's
a fabulous gift. Now, what I also want to put
right in on, right in the case, right into the
package with that a gift certificate for some training or

(16:48):
an offer to personally train someone. And listen, you get
to decide in your family how people get trained. But
training and firearms obviously go hand in hand. And I
think if you're going to be a responsible going or
by definition, you have to have been trained from some source.
Doesn't mean your dad, your uncle, your older brother or sister,

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whoever it might be, who's adequately trained themselves to teach
someone firearms safety and marksmanship, so be it. Training needs
to come right along with it. So and I haven't
done this myself in a while from my businesses, but
when I was teaching a lot more of the hands
on shooting courses, I always around the holidays would advertise

(17:33):
that I was giving gift certificate, offering gift certificate, it's
for training. Hey, buy a gun and put a gift
certificate right in the same package with the gun of
two four, six ten whatever a number of hours you
want to do, the money you want to spend, and
get somebody training right along with the gun. Was that
a fabulous gift. That's an awesome gift, and it's responsible

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as well. That's why I will never advocate for or
accept a proposal for imposing a training requirement as a
condition of owning a gun. Why because it's a constitutional
right and it ought to be a matter of a
personal preference and personal accountability. But I still say, while

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it should be a personal choice and a matter of
personal accountability, you cannot responsibly own a gun without training.
So a gift of training, what about a gift of
training before the gift of the gun. That's pretty damn smart.
I've had a lot of people come to me want
to take training before they ever bought a gun, and
they say, wow, I don't I don't own a gun yet.

(18:40):
Can I come to take training? One hundred percent? Absolutely.
In fact, I applaud you for wanting to have the
training first. And in a lot of training courses I
always covered this. In my introductory courses, I will talk
about how to select the best gun for you, because
a lot of people make a really bad decision and

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in fact, we're closing in here on the bottom of
the hour. Let me talk to you about how to
avoid making some really bad decisions in the process. Let's
say you want to buy your wife, your husband, your
eighteen nineteen twenty year old's son or daughter. You want

(19:22):
to buy them a gun. How can you avoid some
really bad decisions when you decide to buy someone else
a gun as a holiday gift or birthday gifter, or
just a gift for whatever purpose. Because believe me, and
teaching a lot of introductory courses over the years, I
don't teach these anymore. My training is pretty much all individual,

(19:43):
personalized training with one or maybe two people in a course.
I don't teach the group classes anymore. Like you know, NRA,
a basic pistol, that kind of thing. But when people
came to those introductory courses, a lot of people would
bring the gun that was completely the wrong gun for them, absolutely,

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for a variety of different reasons. The wrong gun for
them doesn't mean it was a bad gun. It just
means it was a bad gun for them. Well, what
can we do, especially for gift giving, to avoid making
a bad decision like that? Which I've seen thousands of
times over the years. We'll get into that when we
come back and listen. We've got some people on hold

(20:27):
as well, so we will absolutely go to the phone
lines here after this break. At the bottom of the hour,
we're taking a break. This is Guy Ralford on The
Gun Guys Show on ninety three WYBC.

Speaker 2 (20:45):
The show about gun right, gun safety and responsible gun ownership.
This is the Gun Guy with Guy Ralford on ninety
three WYPC.

Speaker 3 (20:56):
And welcome back. I'm Guy Ralford on The Gun Guy
Show on three WYBC, and I'll tell you what. We've
had a couple folks on hold for a while. Let's
go to the phone lines we've got Larry, Larry, thanks
for calling the Gun Guy Show.

Speaker 4 (21:09):
Yes, sir, guy, We're going to be going to Florida
in a couple of weeks for my grandson's wedding and
I am not familiar. I'm ignorant of the host between
here and there to be able to carry my firearm.
What do I need to do or no.

Speaker 3 (21:25):
Well, I'll tell you what. I will answer your question Larry,
specific to your trip, but I'm going to talk more
later in the show. So after we get through with
your call, and thanks, So much for calling. By the way,
and it's a wise question to be asking, but pay
attention to the rest of the show. But I might
ask answer your question specifically. Kentucky, Tennessee, Georgia, and Florida

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all recognize the INDIANNA licensed to carry. In fact, I
don't know that I can speak definitively off the top
of my head about Georgia. I might want to spend
ten seconds on them to confirm this. I think all
those states may now have adopted constitutional carry, meaning that
you can possess a handgun without a license, including for

(22:12):
non residents. But at a minimum, if you have your
license to carry handgun larry, which I assume you do,
then you are lawful to have your handgun. Now, what
I'm going to talk about later in the show around
the you know it's holidays. Let's talk about a holiday
related firearms issues and travel being a big one of those,

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is that there are a lot of things you got
to know about each one of those states you're going
to travel through in terms of what their laws are
that may very likely be different from the laws of Indiana.
For instance, is there a duty to notify a police
officer that there's a gun in the store, in the
gun in the store, gun in the car during a

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traffic stop? Can you carry a got into a place
that serves alcohol? Can you both open and concealed carry?
For instance, Florida, until just recently, it was absolutely a
crime to open carry, even with a Florida concealed carry license.
If you opened carried in Florida, if you you you

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you you were you, or if you were there under
reciprocity with an Indiana license, for example, and and the
wind blew your shirt back or your jacket up, or
whatever it might be, and and you your your your
firearm was then visible as a result, that was a crime,

(23:42):
and that was challenged in the courts. And last thing
I read on that is, although this is something else
I would be wanting to check if I were going
to Florida anytime soon myself is is I'd want to
make sure that I knew the status of of of that.
In other words, do I absolutely have to conceal Again?

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That was found to be unconstitutional in Florida, and I
believe that's been set aside, but it bears research. But
that's just another example of knowing all the little idiosyncratic
laws about each state that you're going to travel through,
because it's not just as easy as knowing where your
license is recognized, your Indiana license to carry is recognized,

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or which states have constitutional carry for non residents, because
at least twenty nine states do. I think we may
be up to thirty now, and that includes for non
residents where you don't even need a license to travel there.
But that's the tip of the iceberg. The whole rest
of the equation is what about all the other little

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laws It can get me in trouble. I could be
traveling through a state that has a duty to inform
and be totally legal to have my handgun in my
car or in a holster on my head traveling through
that state. But I get pulled over on the interstate
and I don't disclose there's a gun in the car,
and suddenly I committed a crime and I'm going to jail,

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assuming that I'll is discovered by the police officer. And
so you know again, places of service, alcohols, serve alcohol,
sports stadiums, the prohibited locations you need to know. And
now that sounds a little intimidating until you realize there

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are a lot of really great resources out there and listen.
I have no financial connection to these people whatsoever. But
one thing I talk about often is I have an
app on my phone. It's just called CCW. And you
look this up, and I'm sure there are comparable services
from other providers. I don't know. I haven't done a
deep drill on that. But what I have on my

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phone that I've had for years and I've used with
great success for years. It's just called CCW and it's
got the outline of a or it's got the kind
of a picture of a gun, an illustration of a gun,
and it's laid over a multi colored map of the
United States. And it's an app you can download onto

(26:14):
your phone. And again, no financial connection. These people don't
pay me to pitch their app. But you can look
up state law summary, state by state by state, and
it's got a GPS function where if you allow it
to identify your location, it'll tell you the laws where
you are. It'll tell you what states grant reciprocity to

(26:39):
your license, wherever you have your license from, and you
can set up your profile with your name and where
you have a license. I put in there, Yeah, I've
got Indiana. Yes, I've got a Utah non resident license
from many years ago, and I put that in there
and then boom, it'll tell me what I need to know.
But it also gives me those state line summaries and

(27:00):
it answers those critical questions like duty to disclose during
a traffic stop. So, Larry, that's a much longer answer
than you were probably anticipating. But I'm going to talk
more about traveling with a firearm litter in the show.
But that's one thing I wanted to go into, which
is you need to know which states recognize your license
for your hand done. And again no question in my mind, Florida, Tennessee,

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Georgia and Florida all recognize the Indiana license, so that's
not an issue. But again that's the tip of the iceberg,
and you need to make sure all those other boxes
are checked in terms of you understanding the law. That
can still get you in trouble even though your license
is recognized in a particular state. Let's go back to
the phone lines, and Kirsten has called in. Kirsten, welcome,

(27:46):
Welcome to the Gun Guy Show. Thanks for calling.

Speaker 5 (27:49):
Yes, sir, thanks for having me. So my question is
that you know people are getting arrested over in Europe
for things like praying and Facebook posts and stuff like that. Well,
I have a little bit of a loud mouse on
social media. And what do I do when they come

(28:10):
to my door? Because I'm not going to go quietly.
If my second am, I any my constitutional rights are
being violated, I'm not going to go quietly.

Speaker 3 (28:20):
Well, and Kirs and I understand the sentiment that you're expressing.
Let me tell you there are some battles that you
win in the courtroom later on that you're not going
to win on your doorstep or on the side of
the road or that type thing. If authorities come to
my door, and it's just this is a situation where

(28:44):
someone's got a warrant. Police officers. They show me a
warrant where a judge has signed off requiring me to
allow those officers to search my home or seize property
in that moment, without knowing more, I certainly know enough
to look over a warrant and decide whether it's a

(29:06):
lawful warrant or not. I'm not going to physically resist,
and certainly not resist with deadly force the officers serving
that warrant. Again, these are officers doing their job. At
the same time, I always want to talk about, you know,

(29:26):
the real meaning and history of the Second Amendment, which
is to give the private citizens the ability to avoid tyranny,
to resist tyranny, to stand up to a tyrannical government.
But it's a pretty good leap between a couple of
local police officers showing up on my doorstep of a
warrant to a time where I think the Constitution is

(29:53):
being ignored on a wholesale basis, that we have, in fact,
a tyrannical government trying to impose its will on the
private citizenry, and it's time for the private citizenry to
stand up and resist in a violent way. I hope
and pray and believe that the latter that is standing
up to a tyrannical government with force and including deadly force.

(30:18):
I absolutely believe and hope and pray that will never
occur in my lifetime. That's partly because I'm getting pretty
damn old. And that's a that's a huge leap. That's
a huge transition from just an officer or two or
or half a dozen who knows showing up with a
warrant saying, well, we've received a report that indicates to

(30:40):
us you or for instance, a dangerous person under the
red Flag law, and so we're coming into search for firearms.
Am I going to resist that with violence? No, of
course not, especially if it's a valid warrant. Now, this
is where it gets really ticklish, and it gets really
scary in my perspective, because knowing how a lot of

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US approach law enforcement, and a lot of us have
a lot of respect for law enforcement. Although of course
there are certainly examples of bad eggs out there among
our folks in blue or brown or at the federal level,
a lot of examples, But for the most part, I
absolute respect, and the less thing I want to do

(31:22):
is hurt members of our law enforcement community. So if
somebody got a bad report on me, I mean I'm malicious.
You know. Well, Hell, I've had bomb threats thrown into
my phoned into my office before, two of them in
the last three years, and I had Carmel PD show
up at my door of my office. Now, they were

(31:46):
absolute one percent professionals. Even after a call went in
apparently to a nine to one one operator that said
I'm in Guy Ralford's office, sitting in Guy Relford's desk
and I'm going to blow this building up. And apparently
they were hoping that law enforcement would show up see

(32:07):
me sitting at my desk, think I was a bad guy,
and then bad things would happen. But between me knowing
a lot of the Carmel PDE officers and them being
consummate professionals, nothing like that even came close to happening.
They came in and say, hey, guy, what's going on?
But was my first thought, Well, man, I got four
officers walking up to the door in my office, it's

(32:28):
a time for me to start resisting tyranny. Of course,
not exactly the opposite. I said, hey guys, and I
welcomed into them into my office. So so listen. It's
a difficult question to answer, Kristen and I and I
fully recognized the historical motivation of our founders for writing
the Second Amendment the way they did, including the absolute

(32:51):
essential result and and and and and goal and the
intent of the Second Amendment, which is the ability to
stand up to a radical government. No, I'm certainly not
going to resist an officer who shows up to my
doorstep with a lawful warrant. I'm not gonna do that

(33:12):
for a variety of reasons, some of which I've touched on.
I'll tell you what. We're blown past the three quarter hour.
Let's take a break, come back, wrap up the first
hour here of The Gun Guy Show on ninety three WYBC.

Speaker 2 (33:38):
Your Rights, your responsibilities, your guns. This is The Gun
Guy with Guy Ralford on ninety three WYBC, and welcome back.

Speaker 3 (33:50):
A little bit of a short segment here, but we'll
start into something I wanted to do address, which is, Okay,
you've made the decision. You knew you already, or perhaps
you heard here on The Gun Guy Show that you
can legally buy a gun as a gift for someone else,
again using your own resources. The person is not a

(34:10):
prettle bit of possessor, and you can legally buy a
gift for them, a gift in the form of a firearm.
And by the way, let's back up a little bit.
It's never a bad idea to give someone a gift card.
And listen to most of the gun stores I know,
my friends at Indie Arms, my friends at Pinnacle Firearms,

(34:31):
and any number folks where I shop and where I
do business, where I train offer gift cards. Never a
bad idea, you know, buy I'M a gift card, lets
the person go in and select their own gun. And
this is where people make just some really horrific mistakes,
and a lot of times as a trainer, I've had

(34:53):
to share the consequences for those mistakes because somebody shows
up to my class with absolutely the wrong gun, which
makes it very, very difficult to try to get that
person comfortable with their gun and proficient with their gun,
and sometimes even safe with their gun. What am I
talking about? Please point number one, For the love of God,

(35:15):
can we please kill the myth that if you're buying
a gun for a lady, for a female, that she
needs to have a short barreled revolver because that's what
women need to carry. And I hear these ridiculous reasons like, well,

(35:37):
they don't have hand strength to manipulate the slide on
a semi automatic ball ball and ball if they know
how to do it, and if it's the right gun
for them, and someone's taken five seconds to show them
the proper technique for manipulating the slide on a semi automatic,
of course they can manipulate the slide. They can operate
the slide on a semi automatic, well'll never jam. They

(36:00):
don't have to clear a jam. Well, while it's true
that there is rarely such a thing as a quote
unquote jam with a revolver, there's no reason a woman
can't be just as proficient as a clearing a malfunction
out of a handgun as any man on the planet.
And there seems to be this implication that and I

(36:22):
laugh at this when I'll hear guys say, well, a revolver,
it's simpler to operate. Hold on, And I'm not doing
this to suck up for you know, the ladies in
the audience here, But on average, women test out about
eight points higher on IQ test than men do. If
anybody needs a simpler firearm to operate, it's probably us.

(36:47):
You can't you can't tell me simpler to operate, So
that's more appropriate for a female. Come on, I'm gonna
talk more about this after the top of the hour,
but let's talk about how to select the right gun
and avoid some of these myths that that are so
pervasive out there. Right now, we're approaching the top of
the hour, so we're taking a break. This is Guy

(37:07):
Ralford on The Gun Guy Show on ninety three WIBC.

Speaker 2 (37:20):
A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of
a well regulated militia being necessary to the security of
a free state, the right of the people to keep

(37:42):
in bear arms shall not be infringed. This is the
Second Amendment, and this is the gun Guy boom boom boom.

Speaker 1 (37:51):
Bom bang bang bang bang boom boom, boom bom.

Speaker 2 (37:59):
Bang bang Guy ralph on ninety three w YBC.

Speaker 3 (38:04):
And welcome back for hour number two with the Gun
Guys shows here one WYBC. But thrill, thrilled, you're with us,
and uh I want to continue to take your calls
with questions or comments throughout the second hour of the show.
Three one seven two three ninety three ninety three. As
three one seven two three nine ninety three ninety three.

(38:27):
I was talking before the break about some really bad
decisions I've seen people make on buying a gun for
someone else, uh as as a gift, and I talked
about the legality of that, which I won't repeat. But
legal is one thing, and just making a really bad

(38:47):
choice is a whole separate question. And listen, let's talk
about gun selection here and and and how anyone ought
to go through the process of selecting the right gun
for them or the right gun to buy as a
legal gift for someone else. One thing I hear and

(39:08):
see all the time is is someone who's new to
firearms or thinking about getting into firearms, and they'll put
out a question. They'll do this on social media. They'll
just do it to a friend or acquaintance, whoever it
might be, and uh, they'll say, you know, I'm thinking
about buying a gun. What kind of gun should I get?

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And and there are a lot of folks out there,
and this is this is a shame, and I wish
it wasn't this this way, but a lot of people
will immediately start lecturing you, given any opportunity, about what
kind of gun you should buy. And invariably they're telling
you they should you that you should buy the kind
of gun that they have. Oh, you got to get

(39:52):
a clock as glocks is this, and clocks that, and
and and or no, you got to you know, and
and right off the bat, and people will to start
lecturing in response to the question what kind of gun
should I buy? And if that happens to you, you
ask that question to someone and the person doesn't first

(40:17):
start asking questions as opposed to lecturing you. Then you'll
know you ask the wrong person, because when people ask
me that question, I have a whole bunch of questions.
First one is, well, what do you want the gun for?
What's the purpose? Right? One of the what habits of

(40:40):
highly effective people? Right, begin with the end in mind?
What's the objective here? What do you want the gun for?
I'm not gonna start lecturing them when I don't know
anything about what motivated them to ask me the question
to begin with, Well, I wanted for self defense? Okay,
self defense? Do you mean at home? Yes? Are you

(41:03):
going to carry it? Probably not? I haven't had the
training yet. Not comfortable carrying a gun outside the home.
Of course. Immediately i'd say, well, awesome, let me give
you some recommendations on where you can get the training
to be comfortable carrying the gun outside the home. But okay,
you're just saying you want a gun for home defense. Yeah,

(41:26):
and you have a preference rifle, handgun, shotgun? Well, gee,
I don't know. I don't know much about you know,
And so immediately you start asking these these questions as
start getting more information about this person's background, what their
needs and objectives are. What the purpose of the gun is,

(41:46):
so they do want to carry the gun. Okay, have
you thought about what kind of carry method? What do
you mean carry method? We are you going to carry
it in the holster? You know, carry it off body,
which has huge disadvantages. But still I'd rather be carrying
a gun off body to not have a gun at
all in a crisis situation. So you start gathering information

(42:07):
from the person about again what their objectives are, and
then suddenly based on what they want the gun for.
I mean, what if someone says, you know, I'm thinking
about buying a gun, what kind of gun should I buy?
And you start immediately lecturing them on how they need
to buy a Glock nineteen because it's the world's greatest handgun.
I'm not picking on people who carry Glock nineteen. It's

(42:28):
a great gun. I've owned a Glock nineteen for a
lot of years, probably one of the most commonly carried
guns in the country, including by law enforcement with its
slightly bigger brother, the seventeen, And it's a great gun.
But my point is, if if somebody's meally starts telling
you about the self defense compact handgun, you really ought

(42:49):
to be carrying and when in fact, the only reason
they ask you about buying a gun to begin with
is because they want to get into sporting plays. You know,
getting into sporting plays, you probably don't want to take
your Block nineteen hand gun out there. And that's just
an extreme example of what I'm talking about. You'd asked
questions and listen, guns, there's a great analogy between guns

(43:13):
and cars, guns and motor vehicles in a sense that
when you're trying to decide which one is right for you,
every gun, just like every motor vehicle, as a whole
series of priorities and compromises in terms of what that
offers for you and what's important to you and what

(43:35):
makes that the right gun or the right motor vehicle
for you. For instance, you know, would I love to
own a you know, Lamborghini? Oh yeah, hell yeah. Well
the new Corvette, the C eight Corvette. I've never bet
a Corvette guy. Of course, now that I'm middle aged beyond,

(44:00):
I can't drive a Corvette because that's too much of
a cliche. You know, the old bald guy in the Corvette.
I don't want to be that guy. But it's a
beautiful car, and were I considering that car. All the
great things about that car fast as hell and great style,

(44:20):
great looks, great handling, and I think I think GM
knocked it out of the park with it with a
new Corvette and now you can get it in the
Ultra High Performance pack. Hell, there's a thousand thousand horsepower
eight's out there being offered right now. Incredible. Is that
all awesome? Yes, of course it's awesome. Can you hauld

(44:42):
mulch in your ate Corvette?

Speaker 5 (44:45):
Well?

Speaker 3 (44:45):
No, how's it going to be when it snows outside?
Not great? Even for hauling the kids to soccer practice? Yeah,
I'm not going to work real Well? How about for
even bring in grocery trees home? Well, depending on how
many people you're buying groceries for and for how long,
that could be a hassle. So it's an awesome car

(45:08):
and a variety of ways, but it's got its drawbacks
depending on what you want a vehicle. For a gun
is exactly the same way even a carry gun. Let's
say I want to buy a gun and I want
to carry it. Great, every gun, just like every vehicle,
is a series of in terms of determining the right
one for you, it's a series of compromises and priorities

(45:33):
and and and there's a huge component of personal preference
in terms of what feels best in your hand, what
trigger feels right to you, how visible are the sights
to you? Does it take aftermarket modifications like a red
dot site? Do you want or need a red dot site?
What about a flashlight, a weapon mounted light? Is that

(45:54):
something that that that you want or feel the need for?
And what criteria, what decision making factors entered that equation?
And there's so many and and so and so to
start asking questions of someone, Yes, I want a gun
that I could use both for home defense and to
carry it. Great, if you're gonna carry it now Suddenly

(46:16):
barrel length, grip length, weight, and and and thickness or girth.
Suddenly those issues start factoring in. Why, Because if you're
gonna carry you go and carry it concealed, you're gonna
carry it on body. A big, heavy, long barreled, long
gripped gun is harder to conceal and it's less comfortable

(46:41):
to carry around all day depending on your carry system.
So when we start talking about concealing a handgun and
and and wearing it on body, now you start talking
about a compact type gun, but now you have to
balance compact size weight with other factors like magazine capacity

(47:03):
and listen. People will say, oh, well, if you need
more than two or three shots to resolve a self
defense situation, you need to take more training. Well, I'm sorry.
There are a lot of examples of people out there
who were incredibly proficient in a self defense scenario who
still required multiple shots to end the threat. The leading
example in my mind is my friend Eli Dickon down
the Greenwood Park Mall. Eli had an eighty percent hit

(47:26):
rate starting from forty three yards away. How many people
could do that and it still took him eight hits
out of ten shots to end the threat him. Guns
are notoriously bad fight stoppers, people who watch too many
movies where they think you get hit once with a
nine millimeter and you fall down and die and listen.

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Can that happen? Of course, that depends on where a
person is hit, was a major major organ or the
central nervous system impacted. If not, people can get shot
a lot of times and continue to be bad guys.
So capacity is in fact important to several of us
who make this decision to carry a gun, What if

(48:10):
you encounter more than one bad guy? Does that happen?
Of course it does, so, capacity, conceal ability, comfort weight,
all those things start factoring in, how easily can you
modify it, how modular is it? Does it accept after
market sites? And everyone gets to have their own personal

(48:32):
preferences and their own priorities when it comes to all
those questions. So starting with what the objective of the
gun is, then working through the different factors that make
one gun better than another, given the scenario, given the
use pattern the person intends for it. Then the answer

(48:54):
of what can be the right gun or the wrong
gun for an individual person could be dramatically different person
to person, dramatically different, but all still right or all
still equally wrong when people screw it up, And listen
before we take a break. We're a little past the
quarter hour, but I want to go ahead and deal

(49:15):
with this directly. This idea that women need a revolver
is the silliest, goofiest, most misguided, pervasive myth that exists
out there. It's wrong, It's always been wrong, It'll never
be right. And listen, is there anything wrong with revolvers?

Speaker 5 (49:33):
No?

Speaker 3 (49:34):
Are they great self defense? Guns. You bet. Are they
ultra reliable? Yes, all those are the upsides of a
revolver that may make it the right choice. But here's
some really bad thinking out there. First of all, people
people misunderstand the effects of weight and barrel length, and

(49:59):
when weight we're talking mass combined with caliber and grip style,
they totally mischaracter I'd misunderstand the combination of those things
when it comes to the shootability, that is, how comfortable
it is and how accurate someone can be in shooting
a particular gun. And listen, Smith and Wesson and a

(50:21):
lot of similar manufacturers have made a ton of money
over the years selling thirty eight Special revolvers well short barrel,
one inch maybe two inch barrel, ultra light. They make
them featherweight, ultra light the Lady Smith you can find them.
Their titanium are all aluminum. They're incredibly light, short barrel small.

(50:42):
They make them with pink grips on them. Aha, it's
got to be the right gun for a lady. It's
got pink grips. As ridiculous as that thinking is, but
you know what happens when you take a big, healthy
caliber like thirty eight Special and put it in a
really really light gun with a really short barrel with
a really long, heavy trigger pull, which most of these

(51:07):
revolvers have. You have a gun that is absolutely incredibly
uncomfortable for anyone to shoot, particularly someone who's a new shooter,
and particularly someone with smaller hands, because people confuse small
and light in a handgun with how comfortable it's going

(51:27):
to be to shoot. And let me just tell you,
the bigger and heavier with a longer barrel a particular
gun is compared to another gun of the same caliber,
The bigger, heavier, longer barreled guns always going to be
more comfortable to shoot than the smaller, lighter, short barreled gun.
Shorter barreled gun is going to be And when you

(51:48):
put a thirty eight special, which is I'm pointing, I'm
pointing that out because it's so common and an incredibly
light gun might have aluminium or titanium or some combination thereof.
With a little one inch barrel, all that energy is
being released and very close proximity to that person's hands.
That makes the gun very snappy. What's snappy The barrel
comes up, as we call muzzle rise. You get a

(52:10):
lot of felt recoil directly back into the shooter. Combine
that with a really long, heavy trigger pole. That's hard
for a lot of people to stay on target throughout.
A long eight to ten pound trigger pole, which is
very common for these handguns, but especially does double action only.
You can't even cock the hammer to shoot single action.

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That's not an enjoyable shooting experience. How easy is it
to learn how to shoot with one of those guns.
It's hard. I'm a big guy who shot a lot, millions,
millions of rounds in my lifetime. I don't shoot. I
don't like shooting the little suckers, little short barreled ultra
light revolver with minimal sights, so a lot of times
no rear sight, just to groove into the frame of

(52:52):
the gun. That's a wrong gun for somebody trying to
learn how to shoot. I'm not dogging Smith and Wesson.
I'm not dogging thirty eight and listen is a backup
gun for an experience shooter. Awesome, But anybody who thinks
that's the right gun to buy for someone just because
they're a female, because this ridiculous myth is so pervasive

(53:12):
out there, though, lady needs a revolver, wrong, wrong, and wrong.
Are there guns that are one thousand percent better? Absolutely?
Absolutely absolutely, And any experienced instructor who's gone through what
I have for forty years, which is bringing people bringing the
wrong gun to a class, can give you chapter and

(53:34):
verse on exactly why that is.

Speaker 6 (53:36):
Right.

Speaker 3 (53:36):
Now, I've blown past a quarter hours time. Taking a break,
we come back. I've got a bunch of people on
hold again, so we'll go to the phone lines when
we come back. This is Guy Ralford on the Gun
Guys Show on ninety three WIBC. Guy Ralford for the

(54:19):
law offices of Guy Lford. If you're interested in an
expungement or a restoration of rights, those are things we
do often for our clients at Relford Law. You can
contact us during the week, be back in the office
starting on Monday and contact us about potentially restoring your
gun rights for a lot of folks that's available now

(54:39):
under the laws that have changed dramatically here in the
last decade or so in Indiana. We'd love to talk
to you about that. If you're interested, you can contact
us through the website at Relfordlaw dot com.

Speaker 2 (55:20):
Guy Ralford, Now you've got a gun, Guy Guy Ralford
on ninety three WYPC.

Speaker 3 (55:28):
And welcome back. I'm Guy Ralford on the Gun Guy
Show on ninety three WYBC, and I'll tell you what
We've had. Some more callers ascribe to the phone lines,
and Ian has called in. Ian. Welcome to the Gun
Guy Show.

Speaker 7 (55:41):
Good afternoon, sir. I'm in good living Bloomington.

Speaker 3 (55:45):
Oh yeah, yeah, oh yeah. I'm Monroe County, Bloomington.

Speaker 7 (55:49):
They just love the two way down there, and County
is not bad to Bloomington.

Speaker 3 (55:53):
Yeah, I hear you.

Speaker 7 (55:55):
That's the purpose of my call. You're talking. We were
talking about travel in trust, interstate travel. And I mentioned
the publication to you earlier in the year, and I'm
not wouldn't expect you to endorse it or anything else.
But it's called The Traveler's Guide. It's published once a year,
comes out of Somerset, Kentucky, I believe, and it's very

(56:16):
current on the state laws. Duty to inform officers where
you can carry, you know, alcohol serving establishments and all that.

Speaker 3 (56:27):
All right, is this a hard copy or is it online?

Speaker 7 (56:32):
Well, it's probably online. I'm not I hate computers, but no,
it's it's like a thick magazine. It's called the Traveler's Guide.
As I say, it's published in I believe Somerset, Kentucky.
I get it every well, I get a handful of
them every year. I give them to somebody's mind. But

(56:52):
if you're not familiar with it, it's worth your attention. Okay,
let me let me give you a super quick example
a year ago, for instance, in one state I think Virginia,
you can carry You can carry in a rest area,
but you can't carry it into the buildings.

Speaker 3 (57:12):
Yeah, you know, right, because there's a government, government owned building. Yeah,
I understand.

Speaker 7 (57:16):
Yeah, But I mean you can carry in the parking lot,
but you can't carry it into the building where you
if you ever need one.

Speaker 3 (57:21):
Yeah. And you know what, Ian That is really a
good example of what I was mentioning earlier, which is
how idiosyncratic and how different the laws can be from
state to state, and people a lot of times don't
understand that there's so much more to know and so
much more to know to be able to stay out
of trouble while traveling with your firearm than just whether

(57:44):
a particular state recognizes your license to carry that we
have here in Indiana, or whether or not a particular state
is constitutional carry. That literally is the tip of the iceberg.
And the rest stop example that Ian just gave is
another great example. Let's go back to the phone lines.
Well we've got Jeff oh hold on. Producer Gavin has

(58:05):
put in, here is Nigel's dad. This is Nigel's dad. Yep,
oh Man, Yeah, yeah, you're You're like a celebrity by
proxy Nigel's dad.

Speaker 8 (58:15):
I guess I'm I'm semi famous.

Speaker 3 (58:18):
Absolutely well, man, I've met you before, sir, and uh
I thank you for calling the show.

Speaker 8 (58:24):
Yeah, I have kind of a boring question for you,
but I'm probably not a lot different than some of
your listeners. And that I have an odd little collection
of guns, many of them which I have never shot,
and some of them that I may not touch between
a few.

Speaker 3 (58:38):
Years at a time. Sure, I was wanting to get
your advice.

Speaker 8 (58:40):
Do I open those things back up and need to
clean and oil them even if it's in a box
and never been fired.

Speaker 3 (58:46):
That's such a good question, and and and listen, and
thanks so much for calling Jeff, as I say, I've
met you and shook your hand before, and uh yeah,
which was an honor and and and it's an honor
to have you call the Gun Guys show, So thank you, sir,
But but yeah, no, this is something that it's such
a good question because guns over time and depend on

(59:10):
on finish and whatnot. Guns vary a lot, but guns
can certainly corrode over time. Uh, just even in a
box whatnot. You know, there's an issue with guns become
just coming in dry over time and that and that
means more with some guns than others. But any kind
of semi automatic in particularly, but even a revolver, I'd

(59:30):
be worried about rust. And I'm worried about lubrication. So
that gun will function appropriately if and when I take
it out of the box or take it out of
the safe or wherever it might be. Even guns that
are stored in safes. Again, depending on how well you
you you monitor and control the humidity inside your gun safes,
it can be an issue with corrosion. And listen, lubrication

(59:53):
is a number one cure and number one preventative, I
should say, uh for corrosion of a firearm. And and
and functionality is so important as well. So yeah, one
thing I do and it's kind of fun actually yeah,
And a lot of times I do this over the holidays.
If I can get a couple of days off, is
the's haul guns out of the safes and and you know,

(01:00:16):
and spread them out and just spend you know, an
afternoon or a couple afternoons, depending on a number of
guns you're talking about, and just clean and lubricate everything.
And if listen, if something hasn't been shot, okay, there's
nothing wrong still with running a swab down the barrel,
a little light coating of oil, run through the chamber,
make sure that the mechanisms are properly lubricated, all according

(01:00:37):
to your owner's manual. Guns are so different. Some guns
don't like to be wet, other guns like to be.
Some guns function with more lubrication, some function guns function
better with less but a little light code of lubrication
and in a proper cleaning and keeping dust out of
everything is absolutely essential, not only for the functioning of
those firearms, for making sure that they're being preserved. And listen,

(01:01:02):
I've hauled guns out well, I shouldn't even admit this.
I had a beautiful little riger twenty two and I
got it wet at the range one day. I was
shooting at the outdoor range when we still ran an
Eagle Creek pistol range and then I put it in

(01:01:22):
a canvas after I cleared it obviously unloaded it. I
put it in a kind of a canvas zip up
storage bag and then put that in my range bag
and then put it in my car. And when I
got home, I went in and I took the guns
out of my range bag and I took the little

(01:01:43):
twenty two forty five it's called the model of it,
and I left it in because I already cleared it,
I knew it was safe. I left it in the
zip up bag and put it back in my gun
safe and I left it in there for I don't know,
two or three weeks. And it's a gun that I
really liked to use in classes. This is a beautiful
little guns, well functioning gun, and it's really easy to

(01:02:04):
learn how to shoot with a gun like that. I'm
really easy to teach someone. So I wanted to take
it out and I was getting ready for a class
and I pulled a gun that had gotten wet is.
This is a guy who wrote gun safety and cleaning
for Demis. I hate to admit I would still do
something this stupid, but exactly what I did I pulled
that gun out of there that had been sitting in

(01:02:24):
a wet bag inside my safe after I've gotten the
gun wet itself because we're shooting at an outdoor range
and the corrosion it was all luckily mainly surface oxidation,
but the rust on this gun was something that was
absolutely heartbreaking for anybody who cares about their firearms. And
that's a really extreme example, and it doesn't really match

(01:02:47):
up with Jeff's question, but there's a preservative factor in
terms of making sure guns are clean and lubricated even
if you're not shooting them. And there's certainly a functionality
issue as well. Be guns over time just get dry
and a lot of gun especially semi automatics, just don't
function real well without the appropriate amount of lubrication. With that,

(01:03:09):
I'll tell you what I think. We'll take a break
at the bottom of the hour, we'll come back, we'll
go back to the phone lines. We've had other people
call in and continue talking about gun related issues during
the holidays, including if I have time, I want I
want to get into the fact that the Mom's Demand
Action big gun control group, part of every Town for

(01:03:31):
Gun Safety. They put it on an article hoping to
get their members to debate gun control at the holiday
dinner table. That's interesting, including a PowerPoint presentation and talking
points for you to use right there while you're carving
the turkey at Christmas or Thanksgiving. That's what Mom's Demand

(01:03:54):
Action wants you to engage in. Interesting enough, we get
We'll get to that if we have time. I'm as well.
Right now, we're taking a break. This is Guy Ralford
on The Gun Guys Show on ninety three WYBC.

Speaker 2 (01:04:42):
Now you've got a gun guy, Guy Ralford on ninety
three WYBC.

Speaker 3 (01:04:49):
And welcome back. I'm Guy Ralford on The Gun Guy
Show on ninety three WIBC. And I'll tell you what
Anthony has called in, but on hold for a while. Anthony,
Welcome to the Gun Guy Show. Thanks for calling.

Speaker 6 (01:05:00):
Yeah, have you Thanksgiving. I've got a old piece of
trivia because I've been watching the chat and then and
then probably a fairly quick question. Bolo is actually a
Spanish word for machete, and it takes back to when
the Philippines were a US territory.

Speaker 3 (01:05:18):
Well, we were talking about this on the YouTube chat.
Yeah okay, yeah, and.

Speaker 6 (01:05:24):
It was it was a term for failing to qualify. Uh,
was your with your assigned weapon as the Philippine word
for a machete. So if you failed to qualify, you
weren't given your rifle. You were given the machete of
shame and you had to carry that around. And it
has become the military term for failing to qualify with

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your weapon ever since then. It's called a bolo. The
question is has to do.

Speaker 9 (01:05:53):
With the the Uh something that I saw online but
no details that the atf IS is issuing new rules
with it with regard to transporting items.

Speaker 3 (01:06:05):
Oh yeah, yeah, absolutely agress that you bet Anthony, and hey, listen,
thanks so much for your call. It's always a pleasure. Yeah.
What Anthony's talking about here is a couple of things.
Uh uh. The first of all, and we're talking about
NFA items uh, automatic firearms or machine guns, shop broiled rifle,

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sharp broiled pistols, suppressors, shortbrold shot guns. If I did
mention that there there are some restrictions on those. Some
of the reasons people don't necessarily want an NFA item
One the f we register with the federal government. But secondly,
there are restrictions, including that you cannot take a registered
NFA item across state lines without the ATS permission. And

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there is a what's called a Form twenty and you
can download that and can fill it out and you
can say, Hey, you know, I'm going to I'm going
to go to a gun site in Paulton, Arizona. I'm
taking a car being class, I want to take my SBR.
I'm going to be there from such and such a
date to the later date, and I'm staying, you know,

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at this hotel, or I'm camping there at the gun
site facility, whatever it is. And you send that in
and they and they approve that form, and you always
have to give yourself a huge amount of lead time
because you never quite knew how long ATF was going
to take to approve that. And I think the modifications
in the system that Anthony's talking about also include the

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fact that if you have a registered NFA item, Let's
say I have an SBR that's got a seven inch
barrow on the upper and it's five five six, and
I've done a bunch of reading and I figure out
that the ballistics, the ballistic performance sucks out of a
seven inch five five six barrel, and I decide I
want to modify that to a twelve and a half

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inch barrel. A lot of people consider it to be
more the minimum barrel length to really get adequate performance
out of five five six. But I've registered the gun
at seven inches, and I have to have on file
with the ATF the correct configuration of the gun or
I'm outside the requirements of the NFA. There's been a

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system where you can essentially send them in writing the
notification that the configuration of your registered NFA item is changing,
and then they approve that and send that back to
you and say, yes, your description of your NFA item
is now modified in the NFRTR, which is the registry

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of NFA items. What Anthony's talking about is that ATF
is announced that they're going to a digital process, an
online process, to make this much simpler and easier and
most importantly faster.

Speaker 6 (01:09:00):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:09:01):
I'd put easy and fast right there as one and
one A on my priorities in order to get those
kinds of things approved. And I know it. This is
relative to the Form twenty for interstate transfer, and by
the way, suppressors for whatever reason, fall outside the Form
twenty requirement, which is to notify ATF and get approval
before you can take one across the state lines. You

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want to take your suppressor with your full length rifle
across state lines, go take a class, go hunting, whatever
it might be. You can do that without the Form twenty.
But I understand I'm move into a digital or online
through ATFE forms and listen if you're into NFA items,
and I have a bunch of stamps. I'm double digits

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between SBRs, SBS's and suppressors, which my new addiction, and
I enjoy them and I'm going to continue owning them.
And I'm excited about the fact that two hundred dollars
taxes going away, although I wish the NFA would go away,
and it's entire as there are efforts underway in the
courtroom to accomplish, but the wait times on getting a

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Form one to build an NFA item like an SBR,
or a Form four to transfer an NFA item like
a suppressor. I've had suppressor transfers in the last six months.
I've had them approved in two and a half days
three days. I had an SBR Form one. I had

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two of them approved less than three days right at
or less than three days, and that's because ATF is
improving their efficiency. And again I don't want to be
caught bragging on ATF, because lord knows they're guilty of
a lot of transgressions on the rights of law abiding
citizens as well. But on the NFA registration and on

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the manipulation of the electronic process through ATFE forms, they're
getting a hell of a lot better. And the idea
to move the form twenty to be in digital now,
to be able to process that and get an approval
back in what a day or two as opposed to
weeks when you want to travel with your NFA item,

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that's a nice that's a nice benefit. Now there are
probably people out there they're gonna send me an email,
or they're going to comment on on the YouTube chat.
Oh here here is guy, you know, praising the NFA
and praising government control. And that's not what I'm talking about.
Part of my living is fighting against these things and
trying to make them go to way, to go to
a way altogether, and contesting the constitutionality of them. But

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I'm saying, if we're under the current regulatory regime that
we are, anything ATF can do can do to make
that more efficient and less time consuming on me and
my fellow gun owners. I'm gonna at least give a
thumbs up to that, recognizing we have bigger objectives, which
is to get to get out from underneath the thumb
of the government altogether. But that is another discussion right now.

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Let's take a break. We'll come back and wrap up
this edition of The Gun Guy Show on ninety three WYBC.

Speaker 2 (01:12:17):
Now you've got a gun guy, Guy Ralford on ninety
three WYBC.

Speaker 3 (01:12:25):
And welcome back for the last segment here of The
Gun Guy Show on ninety three WIBC. You know, I
was mentioning traveling with firearms earlier in the show, and
we only have a few minutes left, but let me
also address quickly the issue of flying with a firearm
and a lot of people I'm talking about flying commercially,

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a lot of people get intimidated out of doing this.
And whether you're going on vacation, I want to take
your personal defense handgun with you, whether you want to
go on a hunting trip. For me, training courses, I
want to go out a state training courses often and
try to go a few times a year, and a
lot of people get intimidated at the idea of traveling

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with their firearm, and they don't want to get in trouble,
they don't want to break any laws, and so they
talk themselves out of doing it together and all together.
And let me tell you, you're really cheating yourself if
you do that, because it's not a particularly complicated or
troublesome process. And once you've done it, or done it
a couple of times, it becomes second nature. But you

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can travel with your firearm. The key is to know
it's got to be unloaded in a secure case. That's
a hard sighted, locking container that is completely unloaded. Unloaded
means there's no ammunition in any magazine, any chamber of
the firearm, and it has to be hard sided to

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the extent you cannot pry it open. You can't, you know,
pry it open from either end. It has to be
hard sided unlocked. You take it to the airport with
you and you can decline an unloaded firearm. They're at
the baggage counter when you're checking your bag and you
say I want to declare an unloaded firearm. They have
you sign a little placard that where you verify the

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guns unloaded it goes back in the lock container. It disappears,
and then you have to go through security and you
have to identify yourself as someone who's declared an unloaded
gun in your check bag. Then you have to stop
at the TSA kiosk on the other side and they
will they will wait for a while. I think they're
X raying the gun to see if they can determine

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whether it's unloaded without opening the case. They typically need
the key from you to go open the case verify
it's unloaded. They come back, they say you're good to go.
You get on your airplane. Now when it arrives, it's
your location. It does not go on the carousel, thank god.
It goes to the baggage office of the airline you're
traveling on. You go there with ID and claim it

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and listen. We don't have time to get into more
of the details, and there are more details to go into,
but just go TSA dot gov TSA dot or excuse me, yes,
it's TSA dot gov, and then search traveling with firearms
traveling with firearms. They'll give you all the details and
you can do it. You can go to your hunting trip.

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You go on your training course and all get by
just fine. That's it for this week's edition to the
Gun Guy Show. Hope you enjoy it and hope you
come back next week. This is Guy Rilford on The
Gun Guys Show on ninety three WIBC