The Gun Guy - Full Show - 12/20/2025

The Gun Guy - Full Show - 12-20-2025

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Unfinished, and I understand we're going to have for some
of our sister stations, they're still working on their studios.
They haven't even used them yet, so we're kind of
sharing a lot of the studios as between Hank and
WTLC and a number of the other stations and WIBC.
But you know what, we're working through it. And thanks

(00:22):
to you, the listeners for being patient throughout this. I've listened.
You know, I was a WIBC junkie even what over
ten years ago before I had a show on WIBC.
I've had my show now for ten and a half years,
and so I listened to WIBC all the time. If
I'm in my car for the most part, there may

(00:45):
be an hour or two here and there that I
decided to listen to something else. But I'll tell you what,
everybody's been very patient and they've worked through the issues,
and I'm sure we'll be able to do exactly the
same here and we're glad you're with us. We're broadcasting
live on YouTube if you want to catch the video

(01:06):
of the show that we're actually set up much better
in the new studio, and again, the studio itself is
absolutely new new equipment, new cameras, new computers, new monitors,
new microphones, everything, and which is kind of cool. But
it's set up actually much better for YouTube and for
video in general than the old studio. It was kind

(01:27):
of catches catch can and with a little camera set
up on about a two inch stand that people moved
around all the desks and stuff. And this is a
little more professional in the new studio. See, if you
have any desire to catch video, you can do that
as well. Go to YouTube to search for ninety three WIBC.
You do that and that'll take you to the page

(01:47):
and it'll show you what's currently broadcasting, which is the
Gun Guy Show. And so you're welcome to do that.
Participate in the chat feature. There's not a lot of
people on there right now. I'm seeing I just logged
on myself, but we can go back and forth to
the extent that I have time to do that. As
we're live on the air, I can do that as well.

(02:07):
I'm having a little trouble logging onto social media. The
new computers, the new system doesn't seem to recognize me
or my logins and whatnot on social media. But I've
got my phone sitting here, so we'll figure that out too.
But at any rate, notwithstanding all the technological potential glitches,

(02:28):
welcome to the Gunk Guys Show. I'll tell you it.
I had a really interesting and fun day to start
this week, and I got invited out to the US
Concealed Carry Association headquarters. And it's in West Bend, Wisconsin,
not too far outside Milwaukee, and West Bend is just

(02:49):
a cool little town. It kind of reminds you of
like a I don't know, like a ski village or something.
I was there. It was cold, it was like below zero,
as it was in Indie when I left here. But
it's just a it's a gorgeous little town. And then
you've got the US Concealed Carry Association USCCA that's headquartered there,

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and I got to go in. I got to see
the building and meet a lot of their leadership. And
if you don't know about USCCA and listen, full disclosure.
They don't pay me anything except that they do offer
carry insurance. I've had carry insurance for which I pay them,
and have for a number of years since twenty twelve.
I think, because I've talked about here before, what's carry

(03:32):
insurance that's where if I use my gun in self
defense and I'm nonetheless prosecuted or sued in a civil case,
that is insurance that will, depending on the circumstances, potentially
reimburse me, indemnify me, protect me against any civil liability,

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and pay my cost to defense in the meantime, including
for criminal cases. And I've had a number of cases
over the years. I have multiple cases right now pending
where USCCA is paying the bills. So I do definitely
receive money from USCCA through their attached insurance program that

(04:14):
ensures people who carry guns or use guns in self
defense and then either get prosecuted or sued. But again,
long before I ever had one of those cases, I
was paying u seca insurance. So I will absolutely disclose
that relationship. You can take that for what it's worth.
Other than that, I went out there and this was

(04:37):
absolutely unpaid. Then they paid for my travel. But I
went out there to record an episode of what they
call their Attorney Insider series. And you have to be
a USCCA member to see and hear this series because
it's on the USCCA website. But what they do is
they bring in attorneys from around the country who are

(04:57):
focused on self defense issues, or who are involved politically
in Second Amendment issues as going on either local legislatures
or in Congress or both, and sort of have their
finger on the pulse of what's going on legislatively and
politically around the Second Amendment. And they've just gotten going

(05:18):
on this. I think I saw three other episodes that
they've posted. But they invited me to come in. That's
kind of cool because you know, it's broadcast on a
national basis to u SECA members, and they were interested
in what I had to say, and so I went
in and I did an hour and a half interview there
at the USCCA headquarters. And by the way, it's a

(05:39):
neat place. It is a very cool place. It's got
a big open environment. It's in a beautiful location, like
I said, there in West Bend, Wisconsin. But the building
itself is fantastic and it's very open. It's very communicative,
and a lot of interesting signage, all supportive of the
Second Amendment, supportive of the right not only to keep

(06:01):
in bare arms, but to defend yourself and your family
and your home, which is what I've been all about
for a very very long time. And so I kind
of felt like I was there, kind of home a
little bit in a environment that was so focused on
the ability to defend yourself and the right to keep

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in bare arms is protected by the Second Amendment, And
so that was a feel good exercise. And then I
went through this hour and a half interview for their
Attorney Insider series and the host of that series, the
interviewer is a guy named Rob Chatwick, and listen, I

(06:42):
had breakfast with him that morning Monday morning before we
videotape that interview. We had about a two hour breakfast
and I got to tell you, you know how every now
and then you just click with somebody. You're on the
same wavelength. You see things the same way. Yeah, common
interests and common priorities and common outlook. And that was

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me and Rob Chatwick. And I was honored to even
talk to the guy because who this guy is. He
is a former supervisor for FBI, So he's been an
FBI agent and supervised other FBI agents, but he also
has been a sniper for the FBI. He's been an instructor,

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He's trained other FBI agents, including members of their Hostage
Rescue Team HST Hostage Rescue at FBI is one of
the most elite, not only hostage rescue but counter terrorism
teams in the world, and this guy, Rob Chatwick is
a trainer for them and has been, or was, I

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should say, because upon retiring from the FBI, he then
moved over to USCCA, the US Concealed Cary Association, and
he's now their director of Education and training, and that's
something else that the u SECA does. Now I've not
gone through in the USCCA training. I've not been certified
by USCCA as one of their instructors, so I haven't
had any role or participation on that into things. But

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he's their director of training and education at USCCA, and
he's then the guy with that background who interviewed me
again for an hour and a half and it was
a lot of fun, and the hour and a half
went by like it was thirty seconds because we were
talking about what's going on politically. We talked about national reciprocy,
We talked about a lot of the things that I
talked about right here on the Gun Guy Show. But

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I was almost disappointed when it was over, and it
just felt like we had a lot more to talk about,
including how important it is for US to preserve the
ability for law abiding America, and it's a lot abiding
US citizens to defend ourselves and our families and our homes.
But anyway, that's that's how I spent Monday. It was
a cool experience. I hadn't actually flown in a while.

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You know, my practice is so focused on Indiana and
my law practice, and I haven't taking a vacation. Well,
last couple of times i've flown have been to go
out to Polden, Arizona to take training at gun site,
but even that's been a couple of years, and so
the travel wasn't necessarily my favorite experience in the world.
But being out there at USCCA was cool. It was awesome.

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If you have any questions about USCCA, you want to
know more about that. Again, there's a relationship there. They
did send me some swag. By the way, my trip
was unpaid except for they paid for my travel. But
I did get a pretty cool box of swag when
I got home, including a range bag and a couple
of T shirts. Fact wearing one of the T shirts
as we as we speak. But I do defend cases

(09:40):
that are paid for by USCCA Insurance. We're my clients
having their attorneys fees paid by USCCA, which is why
those people bought that insurance to begin with. So, as
I say, I always want to disclose those kind of
financial relationships. So take that for what it's worth. But
if you want to know more about that, whether the
phone lines are on on, producer Gavin's telling me that's working.

(10:02):
I don't necessarily see your name and what you want
to talk about come up the same way it used
to in the old studio. But we're working on that,
getting that fixed. And Gavin and I have figured out
a series of smoke signals and hand signals and uh,
one of us is going to stand on their head
and and communicate through foot signals. We've got a whole
system figured out where Gavin and I are going to

(10:24):
get it worked out. If you want to call and
participate in the show. As I always say, we started
as a call in show more than ten years ago,
so we always wanted to take calls from our listeners. Uh,
and uh, those folks who have been listening here to
the Gun Guy Show here now for a long time.
So give us a call. Two three nine ninety three
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(10:45):
still the same brother. Okay, all right, So want to
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where shift gears talk about some other things going on
both nationally and internationally in the Second Amendment and or

(11:08):
self defense area. We'll get into all of that, plus
hopefully take your calls if you want to participate when
we come back. Right now, we're taking a break. This
is Guy Ralford on the Gun Guy Show on ninety
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Second to none on this second and then this is
the Gun Guy with Guy Ralford on wy PC.

Speaker 1 (12:38):
And welcome back. This is Guy Ralford on The Gun
Guy Show on ninety three w IBC broadcasting from the
new w IBC Studios. Uh kind of cool. Producer Gavin
has it well under control. We we are. We are
rocking pretty much just like normal. I have figured out
how to now log onto Twitter or x here from

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the studio. Facebook is still eluding me to some degree,
but I am Kevin. Just wanted to highlight the fact
that I was able to log into Twitter, so I
appreciate effect celebrating you. It's all good. Hey, this is

(13:19):
going surprisingly smooth. As I was, like I was driving
down here. I was even talking to my wife on
the phone, I'm like, you know, I've only walked by
the studio one time, not really sure how this is
going to go, but uh, but hey, the setup is good.
I've got a tech wizard as a producer today, so
it's working out just fine. So a lot of gun

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control in the public debate. In fact, I was just
looking at some of that directed at me on Twitter
or x and uh, it's always interesting to me, you know,
after any tragedy involving a shooting, and that certainly includes
the Brown University shooting and the horrible mass shooting as

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well in Australia at Bondi Beach, all of a sudden,
a lot of people want to respond to those tragedies, obviously,
and it happens every time. It's as inevitable as the
sun coming up in the east. People want to respond
to that by saying, ah, there you go. We need
more gun control, we need to take more guns away
from law abiding gun owners. And you know, one of

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the reasons I became active in the Second Amendment area
as an advocate for our rights to keep in bare
arms and to defend yourself, your home, and your family
is because of that idiotic knee jerk reaction that people
have to these tragedies, and you know, there are a

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number of things that you know, they get posted, they
get said, and they're just so completely nonsensical to me,
and it's amazing to me that they seem to have
so much buy in. But of course there are many
things in the progressive agenda that I feel exactly the
same way about. So I shouldn't be shocked that there
are things in the area of gun control or Second

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Amendment rights that that I don't want to say surprise me,
but that are just so on their face illogical, you know, irrational, nonsensical,
and people are still out there parroting these same views.
I mean, you had a mass shooting in Australia at

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a gun free zone right there on the beach at
Bondi Beach in Australia was illegal to have a firearm there.
You've got Australia that's gone through a whole bunch of
gun control back in the mid nineties, after at least

(15:51):
in terms of fatalities, a somewhat worse mass shooting, they
decided to have mass confiscation and they had what they
called to buy back program. There By the way they
were instituting a new buy back program after this most
recent mass shooting. But they had a big buyback program,
which is government speak for confiscation. Yeah, we're gon We're

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gonna take your firearm from you, and you may get
a check for some fraction of its value in the process.
So that allows us to call it a buy back
as opposed to simply confiscation. But it's still confiscation, make
no mistake. And they had a perhaps took over a
million guns, and in a country with the size of Australia,

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that was significant. And they also banned a whole series
of of different kinds of firearms. They they enhanced that
and broadened their ban of firearms and registration requirements. After
a shooting involving a bunch of people who were simply
worshiping at their chosen place of worship, one gunman here

(16:56):
a few years ago drove to two different mosques as
I were call and killed a number of different people.
And after that, Aha, there you go. We need to
ban more firearms. We need to limit the rights of
law abiding citizens to possess firearms. And for someone with
a mindset that I have, not only is someone who
carries a gun everywhere he can lawfully carry a gun,

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but who's trained literally tens of thousands of other people
to do the same. Because I've been a firearms instructure
for a lot of years, well over thirty years, it's
amazing to me that it's logical in some people's minds,
and they're certainly enthusiastic about these proposals, and not only proposals,

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but executing on these plans that after you have a
shooting where people were able to in the video I've seen,
and I've not seen details on this, it looks to
me like there were primarily bolt action rifles being used,
and and they're not. That's not the most rapid firefirearm

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that you're ever going to use for any purpose which
might want to use a gunful, Yet there were fifteen
people murdered in a multitude of people injured because these
people were able to take their time and walk along
the beach, stand on a bridge. Is the video that

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I've seen over and over for a substantial period of time,
and pretty much at their leisure, just be picking people off,
just be senselessly and brutally murdering people. And no one
there was armed and equipped in terms of the citizenry

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to defend themselves and defend their fellow citizens. And this
was a celebration of Hanukkah event, and obviously it was
an anti Israel, anti Zionist action of the people were
taking to murder as many as many people celebrating Hanukah

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as they possibly could. And the image I already have
I always have in a mass shooting like this, what
I immediately go to is how horrifying that must be.
Not only to have someone shooting at you and killing
people around you and trying to kill you and your

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family as you're simply trying to celebrate, in this case
in a religious event, but to be completely powerless, completely unable,
to completely ill equipped, completely empty handed in terms of
your ability to defend yourself and your family. And I
can't imagine the frustration and the horror that people would

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feel having been stripped of their ability to defend themselves,
and to literally be in a shooting gallery we're multiple
gunmen in this case, or doesn't matter, or even a
single gunman, or just picking people off. I can't imagine that.

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I can't imagine a government that wants to put you
in that position. And I can't imagine a government deciding
that their response to that kind of an event is
to take more guns away from more law abiding citizens.
How does that make sense? How does that make sense?

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There's this naive belief among the gun control movement, and
we've seen it for years and it never dissipates, it
never goes away. Is that they believe through passing laws
or even having programs like quote unquote gun buybacks, it's
almost like they're inching towards this objective that they have

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of the ability to push a button and have guns disappear,
in particular, have guns disappear at the hands of bad guys.
And listen, we're a little past the bottom of the
hour and need to take a break. Well, I'm going
to approach the discussion exactly from that mindset, that view,
that worldview that clearly people have. The gun control people,

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absolutely you can tell through the policies that they espouse
and advocate for and the laws that they want to
see past, they think there's a magic button out there
that's achieved through legislation where guns simply disappear out of
the hands of bad guys. Do they really believe that

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is the objective? Really? To disarm law abiding citizens and
maybe on the off chance here or there they can
have some influence on actual crime. When all you're doing
is taking guns away from people who are willing to
give up their guns because they're law abiding citizens. Are
those the people you need to be worried about disarming?

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Of course that makes no sense, but I'm getting into
more detail on that. And if you care to call
in and participate in the discussion, we'll go to the phone.
We'll test out the phone lines here in the new studio.
Give us a call three one seven two three nine,
ninety three ninety three. Right now, we're taking a break.
This is Guy Ralford on The Gun Guy Show on
ninety three WIBC, the.

Speaker 2 (22:30):
Show about gun rights, gun safety, a responsible gun ownership.
This is the Gun Guy with Guy Ralford on ninety
three WYPC.

Speaker 1 (22:42):
And welcome back on Guy Ralford on The Gun Guy
Show on ninety three WIBC, broadcasting from a brand new
studio here at Radio one. Uh, we're not on the
circle anymore. As something that I gotta tell you, I'm
gonna miss a little bit. Even though downtown Indian now
it is certainly different and worse than it used to be.

(23:05):
And the homelessness and crime that we've seen in down
downtown to Indy, certainly since the Hogs administration has been
in place, is something that's been disappointing. But I still
really enjoyed being down on the Circle, and so it's
a little disappointing to me that we've moved away from that.

(23:27):
We're about ten blocks north of there now actually located
on Saint Joseph Street, and the studio though itself, is
brand new and it's kind of fun. I'm getting used
to where the buttons are and how to work with
computers and the phone lines and whatnot. But we'll figure
all that out, and we certainly appreciate your patience as
we kind of work through some growing pains here having

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moved locations. But I was talking about the political reaction
to not only the Brown Universe City shooting again where
innocent people lost their lives, and that also appears to
be politically motivated. It certainly appears perhaps to be anti

(24:14):
conservative at Brown University, and I think there will be
more facts come out or not, you know, when particularly
shooting doesn't quite meet the protocol, doesn't match the agenda
of what the media always wants to say about Second
Amendment issues, or about gun control or criminality in general.

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When it doesn't match the narrative, then all of a sudden,
those mass shootings just seem to simply disappear out of
the mindset and the coverage of the media, certainly the
national media. And I'm having a feeling that's exactly what's
going to go on with Brown University. And again, I
don't like to talk about things and speculate on things

(25:01):
and cast dispersions and draw conclusions before facts are confirmed,
before we actually know what we're talking about. People that
do that and people start drawing conclusions and making arguments.
I'm always angry about that that people are are expressing
opinions based on unestablished and oftentimes disputed facts, and I

(25:26):
don't have any time for that. I won't be one
of those people. But the more that we learn, assuming
we do learn more about the Brown University shooting, the
more I think you'll see that it's another situation where
people who are unable to defend themselves because they're in

(25:49):
a quote unquote gun free zone, because they're understandably concerned
about being fired from a university or belled as a
student from a university or otherwise breaking the law in
the state or the locality where they live or work
or study, that they're stripped to their Second Amendment rights,

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which allows what people that don't care about the law,
and people don't care that don't care about a year
or two in jail or being fired or being expelled
as law abiding students and faculty and employees have to care.
Then the innocent people, the law abiding people are simply

(26:35):
left defenseless. And I come back to the same point
that I just made with respect to Australia, that I
just refuse because I'm horrified by that feeling. What that
must feel like to be defenseless, to have empty hands

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when a criminal is attempting to murder you, and and
and the and the and that not only the horror
that that must create, but the anger I think that
I would immediately feel by saying I shouldn't be in
this position. Why did the government do this to me?
Why did they put me in this position where I'm

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completely incapable of defending myself. Bad guys don't care about
carrying a gun onto the campus of Brown University. Bad
guys could care less if your if your plan is
to murder as many people as possible, and then eat
a bullet or die in a shootout with police. Way

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on God's earth would you care about any law that's
in place attempting to prevent you with some threat of
a year or two in jail. Your plan is to
die after inflicting as many injuries and inflicting as many casualties,
killing as many people as possible. Your plan is to die.

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What law is going to enhit bit you from doing that?
It makes no sense, It never has. But the law
abiding complying with the laws are then left defensles. And
you know what, there are a lot of people out there,
and listen, everybody needs to make their own decisions. And
I'm not advocating for anyone because your life, it's your job,

(28:24):
or it's your education, it's your career, and everybody needs
to make their decisions. But awful lot of people have said,
you know what, I'll prioritize in a way that leads
me to the conclusion, but I will arm myself. I
will have the capacity to defend my life the people

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around me, whether that's on college campus, whether that's on
a beach. That's a quote unquote gun free zone. Whether
that's in a mall with a big old gun free
zone signed posted no guns allowed. And I'm not advocating
everybody needs to make their own decisions and you need

(29:07):
to fully understand the ramifications for whatever decision you make.
But a lot of people are understandably saying, to help
with that law, to help with that policy, to help
with the preferences of those who, by the way themselves
are defended, to help with the politicians who tell me
where they think I should be allowed to defend myself

(29:31):
or not they're walking around with twenty four to seven security.
To help with that. I'm going to make my own
decisions based on my own priorities. A lot of people
are feeling exactly that way. And I'll tell you what.
We're a little past three quarter holes. Take a break,
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Your rights, your responsibilities, your guns. This is the Gut
Guy with Guy welthree ONYVC.

Speaker 1 (31:11):
Yeah, welcome back. I'll tell you I've got a short
segment here at the top of the hour, but I
really want to reinforce what I just talked about, which
is that a lot of us have to make our
own decision. Now, listen, last thing you're going to hear
from me, especially as a lawyer who defends people who
get accused of violating Indiana or federal gun laws right

(31:33):
here in Indiana. Last thing I'm gonna do is tell
you go out and break the law. So I hope
you didn't take my last segment of saying that I'm
saying that we each have to set our own priorities.
And listen. I've had I've had people call my office
and tell me stories that we're completely heartbreaking. A kid

(31:53):
talk about universities. A kid called me a couple of
years ago and said that he'd had his car stolen
out of a garage at what was then called IUPU
Y the campus here downtown Indy. Had his car stolen
out of the garage, reported it to the campus police,
and because he's a good kid and a law abiding

(32:14):
kid and a concerned citizen, he said, by the way,
I will let you know. There was a glock nineteen
in the console, and he had the serial number recorded
and said, I wanted to let you know that this
gun is out there it's been stolen, it was in
the car that was stolen, and I want to make
sure that law enforcement knows that and what ramifications right,

(32:41):
what repercussion should necessarily happen to that kid as a
result of him making that report. Well, he called me
because he had just learned that the campus police had
reported that to the administration that he admitted to having
a gun in his car campus of IEPY, and he'd
been expelled from the university expelled. This kid was two

(33:05):
or three weeks away from graduation, had already been accepted
to grad school contingent on his graduation from IPY, completing
his undergraduate degree, and he was being thrown out short
of graduation. So listen, that's a big deal and a
huge ramification at the same time. That's the balancing we

(33:28):
all have to go through, deciding where and when we
choose to be able to have the capacity to defend ourselves.
That's it for our number one. We're wrapping this up.
We'll be right back. This says Guy Ralford on The
Gun Guy Show on ninety three WIBC.

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Welcome back for hour number two of the Gun Guys
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including YouTube or over the year or otherwise. So let's
shift gears a little bit and let's talk about I
think an interesting new study and listen, this all ties together,
it ties together perfectly. But we're talking about the ability
to be armed and to defend ourselves as citizens here

(36:29):
in the United States. And certainly we can look at
what's going on in Australia and whatnot, and what's happening
to those citizens and Listen, there is fundamentally a different mindset.
You know, I spent three months, continuous months in Australia
one time several years ago. I've spent time in the UK,

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I've spent time in Canada, and there is a certain
passive mindset. And listen, you hate to generalize across an
entire population of a country, much less multiple countries, and
you certainly run into individuals who are exceptions to the rule,

(37:10):
no question, And it's it's intellectually lazy to generalize too broadly,
and I don't want to be guilty of that sin.
At the same time, what I did notice they were
a pervasive difference and attitude among Australians. And this is
true in the UK, and it's certainly true in Canada.

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Is is these are These are folks who are in
a culture. And this has been true for hundreds of years,
certainly in the UK and obviously more recently in terms
of number of hundreds of years in Canada and Australia.
But there is a difference between being a subject and

(37:56):
being a citizen. And listen, I'm sure I'm gonna of
feded a whole lot of people, and and I'm simply
offering my observation. If you disagree, then you're welcome to
your own conclusions and opinions. But but there is this
idea of being a subject like a British subject, and

(38:20):
and where you you have some, you have some inferiority
to royalty, and and and it's a it's a it's
a culture that certainly involves more idea of of of

(38:40):
separation of of commoner from the elite. And am I generalizing, yeah, absolutely,
But but I noticed this this passive approach that allowed,

(39:01):
in my mind, the Australian people, and certainly the British
people and now more recently the Canadian people to be
stripped of their ability to defend themselves in an ever
growing way. How in the UK they're talking about they're
talking about knife bands, where they've largely lost their ability

(39:25):
to defend themselves with firearms, almost entirely in fact, that
there is no real law of self defense in the UK.
What the government wants you to do in the UK
is basically call the police and hope for the best.
And far too many people over there believe, well, somehow
that's for the best, their country will be better off,

(39:46):
and they need to just subject themselves to that in
the name of the greater good. In Australia, you see
very much the same attitude. And it's really to me
because you know, look at the origins of Australia. You
go back to where you know, it's a country of criminals, right,

(40:09):
he was a prison colony, and I think you had
a strong independent spirit there for a lot of years.
But then you have this same sort of willingness to
subject yourself to the will of the government. That just
doesn't exist in the United States for an awful lot
of the population now certainly does to some you saw

(40:31):
during COVID, How shocked were you that so many people
here in the US, given our culture, our culture of independence,
willingness to fight wars for independence, willingness to stand up
for individual liberty and rights, how many people were fully
willing to just say, Okay, government, you want me to
wear this diaper on my face for as long as

(40:54):
you tell me to. Sure, Okay, you may stay home, Okay,
you I mean not drive all right, Okay, you mean
to not work, not make a living, shut down my business, Well, okay,
if you tell me. But so many more of us
were just shocked by that and you saw. Still, even
though I was completely frankly surprised, if not shocked, at

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the number of people who are so passive and compliant,
you still had others with what I consider to be
more of the American spirit and the spirit of independence
and a spirit of liberty and defiance, who said, oh,
hell no, I'm not buying any of this. This is
all wrong. I'm not going to do this just because
you're ordering me to do it. No, the answer is no.

(41:40):
The answer is hell no. And let's just focus on
that a little bit. Because I've made this commentary before,
not often. I don't think I've ever even gone into
this in the ten years I've done the Gun Guy Show.
And it just sort of came to me one time.
I was actually speaking at a a Lincoln Day dinner

(42:02):
several years ago, and I hadn't really planned it. It
was a kind of a spontaneous commentary on my part.
But the ability to say hell no to authoritarianism is

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just part of the American spirit, and it pains me.
It hurts me. And I'm an old guy now. Hell
I'm sixty eight years old, and it's painful to me
to see the number of passive compliant people who don't
seem to have that spirit of liberty and independence anymore
in this country. But you know what I figured out long, long, long,

(42:47):
long ago, And these things come together in terms of
Second Amendment rights and even the decision, and it's a
big decision, and I don't think anyone should make it lightly,
But the decision to carry a firearm for personal defense,
defense of your family, defense of your your fellow innocent citizens.

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A lot of it has to do with that same
basic concept of the ability to say, hell no, not me.
I choose differently. You may not subject my subject me
to your whim and your will and your domination. No,
not me, Hell no. It's the ability to say hell no.

Speaker 3 (43:37):
Now.

Speaker 1 (43:37):
A lot of this comes from the the founders and
read the Declaration of Independence, sometimes all of it, not
just the part everybody likes to focus on. You know,
we hold these truths to be self evident and and

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and and and and the rights that they say are
coming or originating from nature and Nature's God. But go
beyond that and talk about it is the right of
the people when any form of government becomes destructive of
these ends. That is the goal of government, which to
preserve essential liberties, among these being life, liberty, and the

(44:20):
pursuit of happiness. But then it says, when any government
becomes destructive of these ends, it is the right of
the people to alter or abolish that form of government
and establish new government in a form to them. And
I'm paraphrasing, I don't have it in front of me
that they believe to be most likely to protect their

(44:43):
liberty and happiness. But it is the right of the
people to alter or abolish that form. You know what
that is? That's the ability is say hell no, no, no, no,
I'm sorry, you become a tyrannical government. Hell no. But
it's even more practical than that. It's more day to
day than that. That is this ability to say hell no.

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The ninety or one hundred pound woman who's walking down
the street at night and a rapist approaches her wants
to impose his will upon her, force her into an alley.
That woman carrying a firearm has the ability to do
what to say, hell no, not me, not tonight, wrong person.

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I am not a victim. I am not subjecting myself
to your will and your women your domination. Hell no no.
The answer is no, not me. You're in your bed
at night and someone's trying to pick the lock on
your door or to kick your door in. It's a

(45:51):
home invasion. They're coming into your home. Their plan is
to murder the people there and to steal your belongings.
What is that shotgun next to the bed, or the
ar or the handgun, whatever it may be. What is
that There are more of them than there are of you.
But you have the ability to do what You have
the ability to say hell no, not me, not tonight,

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wrong house? And I think about those people on Bondi Beach.
Are the people sitting in the classroom at Brown University.
You're at Bondi Beach. You're celebrating a Hanukkah celebration, festival,
religious ceremony. It's a time for worship and happiness and

(46:36):
family and love, and all of a sudden, some maniacs
start shooting you, killing you, killing the people around you.
What would what would what would you want more than
anything in that moment? You would want the ability to
say hell no, not me, not today. But they are

(47:00):
Tralian government has stripped that away from them in the
name of their safety. Oh no, sorry, you can't have
the means of defending yourself. When this lunatic, who apparently
is a Portuguese national, walked in that classroom at Brown University,

(47:23):
no one there had the capacity to say no, not today,
hell no, not me, not today, not my classroom, not
my teacher, not my fellow students. No. The answer is no.
That's the difference. That's the difference. That's what an armed
citizen has the capacity to do. It's not just about

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gunpowder and lead and brass. It's about when people are
attempting to murder you, to's deprive you of your rights,
your liberty, your freedom, your life, your home, your family.
It's about having the ability to say hell no. And
then look at examples. Look at the examples of where

(48:05):
the right result obtained. Look at my friend and client,
Elijah Dickett in the Greenwood Park mall a go I
walked out of the restroom with an ar fifteen yes
and over one hundred rounds of ammunition, including three fully
loaded mags and a chest trist a chest rig, and
he walked into that food court and his intent was

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to murder as many people as he possibly could, And
he had the capacity to murder a whole heck, of
a lot of them right there in the food court
in the Greenwood Park mall. And who knows how many
people he could have murdered, And tragically he killed three
innocent people, one poor gentleman who was just walking in
the restroom as the shooter. And I do not name

(48:48):
these people. They will achieve no notoriety through me. But
as he walked out of the restroom, the bad guy,
an innocent victim, was walking in and met the muzzle
of an AR fifteen, had no ability to defend himself,
simply got shot. That guy walks out into the mall
and shot at a couple who was just having dinner
there in the food court in Greenwood. But you know what,

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there was one person there in that mall. He was
forty three yards away. He was all the way on
the other side of the mall. But Eli Dickon, you
know Eli dicken did He said, Hell no, not today,
not in the Greenwood Park mall, not where I and
my girlfriend are trying to have our own dinner. No. Now,
you're not going to murder my fellow citizens, not today. No,

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hell no. And he stood up and he braced on
a trash can from forty three yards away, took four
shots and he hit the bad guy twice, then proceeded
to take six more shots, hit all six with those
bad guy dies. You know some people live, Eli Dicken said,

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hell no. And who is it, whether it's the government
or a building own or a business owner, or whoever
it might be, who should have the ability to look
at you and say no, no, no. You don't have the
ability of the capacity. You don't have the right to
say hell no when someone wants to take your life.

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You don't get the capacity to defend your life, your family,
your home. Who should have that power over you to
deprive you, as an individual of that ability to stand up,
look evil in the eye and say hell no, not today, no,
not today. Answer that question for me, then tell me

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the government, the government ought to have the ability for
the greater good, should deprive you of that power, that ability,
that inherent ability to defend yourself to say hell no, no, no,
no no. You know what I say to that, that's
hell no. Let's take a break. This is Guy Ralford

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Now you've got a gun guy, Guy Ralford on ninety
three WYBC.

Speaker 1 (52:05):
And welcome back. I'm Guy Ralford on the Gun Guy
Show on ninety three WIBC. So, one of the arguments
made against law abiding citizens having capacity to to not
only to arm themselves, but to carry a gun in public,
and you see this all the time, I said, well,

(52:26):
you know, only the police and military are trained to
handle a firearm, So you're going to have a bunch
of untrained civilians running around shooting themselves and shooting each
other and shooting innocent bystanders and they're not going to
know when or how to use their firearm in public,

(52:47):
and it's going to be mayhem and blood in the streets.
And listen when when we talk about the train versus
untrained citizen issue, listen, I'm a trainer. I've been a
trainer for thirty some years. I'm a training junkie. I
love to take classes, even as a student, and I
try to take three or four five a year, And

(53:10):
in fact, I'm slacking on that. I haven't been in
a class at over a year now, and I'm missing it.
I miss getting the trigger time, I miss learning new
things every class I take. It's like, what's the great quote?
This often gets attributed to Einstein, but it wasn't. It
was an English playwright whose name escapes me. But the

(53:31):
quote that I just absolutely love, which is education is
progressive discovery of your own ignorance. And I just I
love that. You know, when in your own mind, are
you the smartest you've ever been? Right when you're about
eighteen and you've got the whole world figured out and
everybody else is stupid. Your parents are stupid, your grandparents
are stupid, your teachers are stupid, and you're brilliant, and

(53:52):
you've got it all figured out, and then you spend
about the next seventy years figuring out all the things
that you really don't know. Education, progressive discovery of your
own ignorance, how much out there, how much there is
out there that you don't know? And I and I
love that mindset. And I've tried to have that mindset

(54:14):
throughout my adult life, and and and that certainly applies
to fire arm training. Every time I take a class,
even though I've been teaching people for all these years,
every time I take a class, I'm like, oh, Wow,
there's a skill I need to work on. There's something
more I I that I don't know enough about, and
and and and shooting listens. Shooting is a perishable skill.

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If you don't if you don't use it, you lose it.
It's not like riding a bicycle. It's just not you
need the trigger time, you need to take the training.
So I'm a training advocate, no question. I I I
walk the walk and as well as talk to talk
on the need for even the private citizen to be trained.
And an awful lot of my fellow private citizens couldn't

(54:57):
agree more. And I know because they come to to
be for training. I see them in classes. A lot
of people are out there wanting to take as much
training as they can. So training is important, no question.
But what about this basic concept that, well, the private
citizen is never going to be trained and capable enough,
competent enough for the public to be safe when we

(55:24):
have citizens carrying guns in public. And I saw this,
I commented on this. You can you can see this
on my Facebook and give me a file. I think
I'm maxed out on Friends, but on Facebook. You can
follow me on Facebook or on Twitter. I'm at Guy
Relford on both, and give me a follow on Twitter
or Rex and I posted about this as well. But

(55:52):
the idea that the private citizen is not capable enough
to carry in public as an argument against it's an
argument against national reciprocity. And it specifically what I posted
on and that's where I was going initially, is there
was a poll that came out or there was actually

(56:13):
actually just a series of social media posts by anti
gun groups. And I think it was the Gifford Center
if I remember correctly, and it could have been every
Town for Gun Safe. It could have been both. Now
that I think about it. They came out and they said,
here's this poll result, and they were talking about why
we should not pass National Reciprocity, which would require every
state to recognize the license of the permit to carry

(56:36):
a handgun of every other state. And they said, polls
establish that people feel less safe when they know that
citizens are carrying guns in public where they live, that
the idea of more people carrying concealed handguns makes people
feel unsafe. And they were saying, well, we can't possibly

(56:58):
pass this because it's going to make more people feel unsafe.
And I reposted this and I said, are you kidding me?
Is this where we are now? We're going to legislate
based on feelings? And how did this poll work? Well,
if if we pass national reciprocity, that means more people

(57:18):
in your community could be carrying guns and you won't
know who they are because the guns are concealed. But
how does the idea of more people carrying guns in
your home state, or in your town, or in your neighborhood,
how does that make you feel? Oh, well, it makes
me feel less safe. Does it actually make them less safe? Well,

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that's a whole different issue. Makes me feel less safe
and because I feel less safe, we should not pass
national reciprocity. And the same argument was made against constitutional carry. Well,
if we pass constitutional carry, more people will be carrying
a handgun in public. How does that make you feel? Oh,
it makes me feel unsafe, hegads. We can't have that.

(58:03):
We have to protect people's feelings. We better legislate on
that basis. We heard that argument when we were fighting
for constitutional carry before we got it passed in twenty
twenty two. How insanely stupid is that? Why the idea
of people carrying in public around me makes me feel unsafe?
I was gonna say if somebody said that to me

(58:24):
in person, I want to say, well, do you feel
unsafe right now? And I assume if they're being honest,
they would say, well, no, I don't feel particularly unsafe. Okay,
now guess what I'm carrying a concealed handgun, book A book,
A Now, how do you feel I feel unsafe? Why

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the gun's concealed. You can't see it. I'm not touching it,
You're not touching it, nobody else is. We're sitting right here.
The only person's gonna feel unsafe because I'm carrying a
gun is if a bat guy walks in the door
and wants to shoot this place up, he's gonna feel unsafe. No,
there's no reason for anybody else to. But this idea

(59:07):
that untrained citizens make people feel and because because there's
a there's a tie, they'll say, well, because they're untrained,
they're gonna they're gonna unintentionally shoot me. Is the premise
I assume? Is what that what that's based on. And

(59:27):
if there's a shooting, we're gonna have a bunch of
of of of of uneducated, untrained yahoos shooting the place up,
including innocent bystanders. That's the argument. But is that true?
And looking at statistics, does that really happen? And does
the argument that well I'm only comfortable with police carrying

(59:50):
guns because they're not gonna shoot innocent bystanders like those
untrained private citizens, does that have any support given the numbers,
because we can research these things. Well, that's what we'll
go into when we come back after this break. Because
doctor John R. Loott, Junior of the Crime Prevention Research Center,
and I posted on this. You can look this up

(01:00:10):
on my Twitter. It could be a follow while you're
on there. By the way, did a study looking at
this very issue, comparing the number of innocent bystanders shot
by police versus innocent bystanders shot by private citizens. How
do you think that study came out. That's what we'll
go into when we come back. This is Guy Ralford

(01:00:32):
on The Gun Guy Show on ninety three WYBC.

Speaker 2 (01:00:44):
He's a seven Amendment attorney, he's an NRA certified Firearms instructor.
He's the Gun Guy, Guy RALFORDYPC.

Speaker 1 (01:00:56):
And welcome back.

Speaker 3 (01:00:57):
I'm golkon on the Gun Guy Show on WIBC. Thanks
to producer Gavin who's keeping things running smoothly here as
we're doing the first Gunk Guy Show from the new
studios here at Radio one after we moved out of
the long time WIDC studios on there on the Circle
forty Monument Circle. And Hey, Gavin, I guess I don't

(01:01:20):
want to jinx it here with two segments to go,
but I think I think I think we're rolling along
pretty smoothly.

Speaker 1 (01:01:24):
What do you think I think we've nailed it. I
think we've nailed it. I don't know if the radio
content's but me any good, but at least we're making
the new studio run anyway, I'll cut the phone lines
if we get people complaining. There you go. So the
topic I was addressing when we went into that break
was this idea that armed citizens are going to endanger

(01:01:47):
the public because as as not being as trained as
police or military, they're gonna shoot a bunch of innocent
bystanders if they ever need to pull and use their gun. Well,
there was a bit of a hit piece done just
about a week ago in the Wall Street Journal, and

(01:02:07):
one of my great disappointments in my adult life is
what's happened to the Wall Street Journal. They seem to
have fallen off the liberal cliff to some degree, but
they did a bit of a hit piece on private
citizens carrying guns in public. And listen, this is getting
a little more attention than usual, not even so much

(01:02:29):
because of things like the Brown University shooting, but because
there's a real possibility that the National Reciprocity Bill in
Congress could get a vote in the House, and a
lot of people are pushing really hard for this. The
bill has one hundred and eighty nine sponsors in the House,
it has passed out of committee. That's always the first hurdle,

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and it would require every state to recognize the licenses
or permits handgun licenses are. It would require any state
to recognize license permits of every other state. And it
even goes the next step further than that to say
that if a person lives in a constitutional carry state,

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and there are twenty nine of those now including Indiana,
that their ability to carry because they live in a
constitutional carry state would have to be recognized in every
other state as well. So it's not just national reciprocity
of permits, it's national reciprocity of constitutional carry depending on
the state where you live. And how cool is that?

(01:03:38):
And so some folks are sam anti gun folks, anti
Second Amendment folks are very concerned about about constitutional con
concealed carry reciprocity getting a vote and passing. So you
see things like this hit piece in the Wall Street Journal,
and it talked about, for particular, instances where a private

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citizen accidentally shot a bystander when they're trying to shoot
a bad guy. And this caught the attention of as
I mentioned before the break, doctor John R a lot
of the Crime Prevention Research Center, and I posted this
on my Twitter or X. Never quite know what to
call it. These days, and so you can go and
you can find the actual study there on my feed

(01:04:28):
on Twitter. He might scroll down just a little bit.
But I quoted an email I actually got because I'm
on the distribution list for the Crime Prevention Research Center,
which is founded by doctor Lott. He's a statistician, but
clearly a two to a guy, and it is definitely
an advocate. You really, you can't say that he's not

(01:04:50):
promoting Second Amendment rights. I think he clearly is. But
he does it based on the numbers and based on
established statistics. But what he wrote and I republished it
on Twitter, he said. This past Monday, the Wall Street
Journal ran a front page article highlighting four cases from
twenty twenty two to the present in which someone carrying

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a firearm for self defense accidentally shot a bystander. The
article criticized right to carry and constitutional carry laws, even
though one of the four cases involved a convenience store
employee and therefore did not apply, and another involved a
person who was illegally carrying a concealed handgun in California.

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The journal also failed to provide any context on how
frequently such incidents occur. To address that gap, we and
as he's referring to, the Crime Prevention Research Center conducted
a comprehensive review and identified only four cases since twenty
sixteen in which is civilian legally carrying a firearm that's

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an important point, legally carrying a firearm in public, accidentally
shot a bystander, resulting in five bystanders shot in total.
One of those cases involved a security guard and two bystanders,
meaning it arguably should not be included at all. And
what he means by there is you talk about someone
employed to carry a gun. You're not talking about just

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your average citizen carrying a gun in public. But denniswil
what gets interesting. He then goes on to say, we
then compared these incidents with police shootings and found that
police were five point six times more likely than legally
armed citizens to accidentally shoot a bystander. And then the

(01:06:36):
point that I made on Twitter, and I'll repeat it
here before we take a break here before our last segment,
is I said, listen to the CPRC, the Crime Profession Research
Center's article that they're not trying to criticize police when
they compare armed citizens shooting bystanders accidentally to police doing
the same The point is not to throw stones or

(01:06:58):
cachehade on police. That's not the point at all. What
they're saying is the argument that only police should be
allowed to carry in public because they won't shoot innocent
bystanders like untrained civilians will. That that makes no sense
and is not supported by the facts. It's not supported
by the numbers, it's not supported by the statistics. That's

(01:07:20):
the point. So let's take a break here, we come back.
I'll wrap up talking about exactly how logical it is
to deny citizens the right to freely carry a firearm,
to bear arms in the wording of the Second Amendment
across state lines in multiple states, based on this fear

(01:07:41):
for public safety and the idea that well, only the
military and police are trained enough to carry a firearm,
and the fact that there aren't really any or many
documented instances where private citizens successfully used a gun, either
to prevent crime or prevent a mass shoe How does

(01:08:02):
that contention bear up. That's what we'll go into when
we come back. Right now, we're taking a break. This
says Guy Ralfred on The Gun Guy Show on ninety
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Second tone on this second second second is the Gun
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And welcome back here for the last segment of the
Gun Guys Show, and appreciate you hanging with us. Got
through it pretty smoothly, notwithstanding the first time doing it
in the new studio. Let's talk about the idea that
the private citizens just simply aren't equipped capable of dealing
with with crime in general or in particular mass shootings,

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and talking about doctor John Arlott Junior and the Crime
Provention Research Center. They actually did a setting on this too,
and you know that they showed in places that are
non gun free zones, and that's an important point, where
citizens are actually allowed to carry guns. They actually stopped

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mass shootings something like forty percent of the time, a
very very large number. It's not all, but we would
never expect it to be. But the other issue, and
this is something that I learned a lot about. I
took a great class from a gentleman named Ed Monk,

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and Edmunk has a military background. They went into law
enforcement was actually a teacher for a while, then went
back into law enforcement. Now he's a private trainer. But
he heard repeatedly that, you know, the best way to
respond to school shootings or any other mass shootings was

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where things like run, hide, fight, where fight's the last alternative.
And in the meantime, you know, students ought to be
taught to hide under their desks or congregate in the corner,
shielded only by their teacher's body. And all of that
made no sense to him. And it prompted him to
study mass shootings with a focus on school shootings and

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and and he has this really detailed course for school
resource officers and school personnel, and he allowed me to
come take that class, and you know, he talked about it.
He talked about predicting casualties in a mass shooting event,
any mass shooting event, and he said, it's about two things.
It is very easy if you can conplict casualties based

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on two things, time and math. The amount of time
it takes for a gun to arrive in the hands
of a good guy to stop the mass shooting. Time
is one hundred percent the factor. Otherwise it's just math.
Add up the bodies and you an armed citizen has
as a huge advantage. They're there. They're present. Not at

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Bondy Beach, not at Brown University, but where guns are
allowed to be, they're present. They're there, they're available. Evil
shows up. People have the capacity to say hell no.
That's it for this week's edition of The Gun Guy Show.
Hope you enjoyed it, Hope you come back. Remember always
shoot straight and be safe. This is Guy Ralford on

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ninety three WIBC.