December 2, 2024 • 16 mins
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The Habit Mechanic Games (Part 4) - how to use powerful Habit Mechanic tools like the Will Power Story to quickly and easily deliver EXTRA hours of Peak Cognitive Performance every day.
Anyone can easily join The Habit Mechanic Games by downloading the app and enjoying a 14-day free trial here.
Dr. Finn reveals how spending just five minutes each morning and evening on focused activities can shift your brain state, allowing you to earn points, climb leaderboards, and enhance your overall living quality. With the Games set to run from Dec 1st to 19th, you stand a chance to win substantial prizes, including personal coaching sessions.
Curious about how to get started? Find out more here.
Whether you're an existing member or entirely new to the platform, the Habit Mechanic University Games offer a welcoming entry point. Dr. Jon Finn explains how anyone can easily join by downloading the app and enjoying a 14-day free trial. It's a perfect opportunity for those who have signed up but haven't yet engaged or for newcomers ready to embark on a transformative journey.
The Games are designed to be flexible and accessible, making it simple to enhance both individual habits and team dynamics. Tune in to uncover practical strategies for leading a balanced and fulfilling lifestyle, regardless of life's challenges.
In this episode, we discover the Will Power Story, an innovative Habit Mechanic tool that enhances self-awareness and intelligent planning. Dr. Finn shares insights on structuring your day to enhance both work and brain recharge, aiming for peak cognitive output.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hello and welcome to the fourth in a series of
podcasts about the HabitMechanic University games which
take place in the Habit MechanicUniversity app.
We're joined by Dr John Finn,who's the creator of both.
He's going to talk us througheverything we need to know.
We've been talking all aboutthe games in previous podcasts
how they'll make it easier forus to change our behavior and
(00:22):
achieve extra hours of peakcognitive performance, and also
understanding much more aboutthat idea, that concept, and how
we can specifically work tobegin improving it.
And on this podcast, john,we're going to talk about
putting everything into action,being practical, which is, of
course, a great feature of thehabit mechanic approach and has
(00:43):
been consistent throughout alltougher minds work.
Um, so the habit mechanicuniversity games, via, via the
tools in the habit mechanicuniversity app, they, among many
other things, ask us to deploywhat we call activation and use
a tool called the will powerstory.
Uh, let's start with activation.
How can we understand that?
(01:05):
To help us do more, achievemore every day yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
So one of the the things that we know is central
for being at our best in healthy, being happy, is managing
stress and, academically, the Isuppose the measurement of
(01:32):
stress is talked about asanxiety and we can have what we
call somatic anxiety, which isphysical.
We can have cognitive anxiety,which is psychological, and the
problem with the word anxiety ispeople just see it and the word
(01:52):
stress is people see it as anegative off the bat, but it's
not.
It can be facilitative forperformance as well.
So we can have facilitativeanxiety levels and we can have
debilitative anxiety levels.
Now, the reason I went intothat detail is because I was
trying to work out I need toexplain this concept to some 11
year old kids.
How do I do it?
(02:14):
And that's why I created theconcept of activation and I
created this activation dial tosay, well, this is, let's just
think about it in a reallysimple way.
So, instead of and I study withthose some of the guys that
created the very complex umactivation models like lou hardy
, because in sport professor louhardy used to be at bangor
(02:34):
university, pretty famous sportspsychology god.
Um, he was also a big intoimagery, which is which is why I
spent a bit of time with him,but these are quite complex
ideas but they're so central forunderstanding ourselves and
(02:54):
every moment of every day.
We are at an activation leveland the trouble is that we're
not always at the activationlevel we need to be at to do the
thing that we need to do.
So the way that we talk aboutactivation is it's on a scale
from 0 to 100.
So you can imagine like aspeedometer, and if you're at 0
(03:17):
on the scale, it means you'redead.
That's the starting point.
If you're at 1 or a 2, two,you'll be in a deep, deep sleep
and then as you wake up, you geta little bit higher.
So you might wake up whenyou're at a 10.
As you get out of bed and movearound, you might go up to a 20
or a 30 and essentially, themore activated you get
(03:39):
physically and mentally, thehigher you go.
So when you're at 100 on thescale, your heart is beating as
fast as you can.
You might be laughing your headoff or you might be the most
stressed that you possibly couldbe, because it kind of looks
the same in your body.
Yeah, so what we want to helppeople to do is to understand
activation and the differentlevels of activation they're
(04:06):
currently at in a normal day oron a work day, you know, sort of
a day off versus the optimalactivation levels they'd like to
be at.
So everything that we do everyday has an optimal activation
level.
So if you want to get a goodnight's sleep tonight, you don't
want to be getting into bedhaving just checked your emails
(04:27):
or checking your emails in bedwhere you get one of those
emails where all of a suddenyou're quite calm and relaxed
but you got really stressed byan email you saw.
So now your activation is up ata 60 or a 70 and you need to be
down at a 5 to go to sleep.
So there's a mismatch.
So you're basically in bedwasting your time.
So that might result in a poornight's sleep.
So you get up the next day andyou you're sitting at your desk
(04:50):
trying to do some clever workbecause you didn't sleep very
well last night.
Until you do the clever work,you need to be maybe a 60 on the
activation dial, because youdidn't sleep very well last
night.
You're only at 30 and you'rejust sitting there sort of
staring into space oreverything's taking you twice as
long as it should do, becauseyou're not at the right
activation level and we canactually place very precisely
(05:16):
different brain states acrossthe activation continuum.
So for me, if I want to do highquality recharge, I need to be
about a 20 on the activationdial and if I want to do high
quality sleep, I need to be, youknow, five and below on the
(05:39):
activation dial, so we can thinkabout having two optimal
activation numbers for ourrecharge.
We've got sleep recharge andnon-sleep recharge.
In the same way, if I want todo high charge, high impact,
peak cognitive performance workthat's on myself I'm building a
(05:59):
new habit.
I'm resisting having lunch atlunchtime because, um, you know
that's not good for my afternoonperformance.
Or I need to create a newproposal for a client, or I'm
writing another chapter thathave mechanic, or I'm innovating
the design and have mechanicgames, whatever it is, then I
need to be about a 60 on theactivation dial to get into
those high charge performancestates and the same with medium
(06:22):
charge.
So what we want to help peopleto do is to create an
understanding of themselves thatis sophisticated but simple,
and we want we want them to havean understanding that they can
use to actually manage theiractivation levels throughout the
course of every 24 hour period.
That is the whole premise ofbeing a habit mechanic.
(06:43):
We want to help people to becomeexpert self-coaches and when
you go on this journey, what youstart to learn is that actually
every super habit you build isreally about activation
management.
It's designed to actually helpyou to improve your activation
level, increase your activationlevel or reduce it.
(07:06):
So in the morning I go for arun to increase my activation
level so that when I get to mydesk I can focus properly.
At the end of the day, I go fora walk.
I do a written reflection and Igo for a walk to reduce my
activation level and what youstart to see is is that what
we're doing across this piece?
We can make it all sound verysimple and it is to implement,
(07:28):
but what we're doing is quitesophisticated, is we're helping
you to build super habits andsuper habit routines to replace
your destructive habits thatmake it easier for you to
consistently match the rightactivation level to the right
task now that that is somethingthat, um, as you say, sounds
(07:49):
simple for people, and it's.
Speaker 1 (07:51):
It's brilliantly simple as a concept, john, I
think.
I think that's why it's sosuccessful, but a key element of
of deploying that concept inpractical terms is a tool that
you have that helps us cope withor manage effectively, navigate
these fluctuations throughoutthe day, and that's the
willpower story.
Tell us now how that fits intothis idea, then, of moving
(08:17):
through your day effectively interms of your brain and your
cognitive performance.
Speaker 2 (08:24):
Yeah.
So Willpower Story is a veryfine-tuned what we call
intelligent self-watching andintelligent planning tool, and
it has three core ingredients.
So it's like a.
It's a timeline of a 24-hourperiod and there are three core
(08:50):
ingredients that go into it.
One is an understanding of whatyou need to get done today, and
we split that work into eithereasy things that you need to do,
which we call ice cubes thatcould be jobs at work.
It could be jobs at home.
It could be things in your lifethat you need to do.
They're fairly habitual,automated things.
They're the things that willincreasingly be replaced by AI.
(09:12):
And then we have other taskswhich are more mentally complex.
They need more focus, they needmore concentration.
We call them building icesculptures.
That could be working onbuilding a better sleep habit.
It could be working on a newclient proposal.
It could be innovating a newsolution.
(09:33):
Working on a new clientproposal.
It could be innovating a newsolution.
It could be studying thechapter 18 of the habit mechanic
book to learn about the actionfactors.
So the first thing we want tothink about in our willpower
story is well, what are thethings the ice cubes and ice
sculpture tasks that we're doingin a 24-hour period, and.
And.
Then we can list those down, wecan put a time commitment next
(09:55):
to each one, we can put them ina priority order and we can
start to place them on thetimeline.
But before we do that, we needto consider how we're going to
manage our brain states acrossthe 24-hour period.
So we know that we need tospend some good quality time
recharging.
That might be 10, 11, 12 hoursof good quality recharge.
(10:17):
We need to factor that in.
We want to be spending four orfive hours doing focus, high
impact work, so we might blockthat throughout the course of
the day.
So we might do a three hourblock in the morning and then a
two, two hour in the afternoon,however we want to do it, or a
one hour one in the afternoon,however we want to do it, or a
one-hour, one-hour, one-hour,however you want to do it.
(10:37):
And then we've got the ice cubejobs in between.
So we need to consider whatbrain states the ice cube jobs
need and the ice sculpture jobsneed and also factor in enough
recharge time.
So the ice cube jobs are goingto be medium charge jobs and the
(11:00):
ice sculpture jobs will be highcharge jobs.
So one of the things I do everymorning is I go for a run.
I actually do my tea plan, I gofor a run and then I do a
willpower story when I get to mydesk.
That's a little super habitroutine so that I can get my and
that's built on a good night'ssleep so I can get my activation
(11:22):
level up to a high enough levelto get into the high-charge
brain state so I can build myeye sculpture.
And again, I added myself thereslightly, because the third
ingredient is activation level.
So you're then going toconsider which activation level
you need to be at in each brainstate and before you do your
willpower story, you'll do anactivation review where you map
(11:45):
out your, your normal activationthroughout the course of the
day and then your optimalactivation level.
So that allows you to makes iteasier to complete your
willpower story.
So I may be making that soundover complex, but it's not.
It's very simple.
You timeline your day, you mapout your ice cube jobs and your
ice sculptor jobs, you considerwhich brain states you you need
(12:08):
to be in during the course ofthe day, including your recharge
brain states, and you thinkabout what activation levels do
I need to get up, get into, toget to those brain states.
So it's one of those toolswhere you spend five minutes and
it literally saves you hoursand it unlocks hours and hours
of extra peak cognitiveperformance so you can actually
(12:29):
get to the end of the day andfeel good about yourself yeah, I
think it's worth saying, john.
Speaker 1 (12:34):
I've, of course, had the opportunity to see the
willpower story simple in termsof, perhaps, how it looks to
some people, but it'sunderpinned by extremely
sophisticated science to make itso powerful and so effective.
And, of course, it is part ofthe Habit Mechanic University
app and hence, the HabitMechanic Games.
Thanks for talking to us insuch great depth about this new,
(12:57):
exciting idea of the HabitMechanic Games, which has
already started by the time youlisten to this podcast.
But don't worry, you can stillget involved.
If you're already a member ofHabit Mechanic University and
you haven't seen theinteractions in the community,
well, we'll have a closer lookand get involved.
If you've signed up to the appthe Habit Mechanic University
app but haven't used it yet, thegames give you a great platform
to start and go forward on.
(13:17):
And the games give you a greatplatform to start and go forward
on.
And if you're hearing thispodcast perhaps for the first
time and you haven't yetdownloaded the Habits Mechanic
University app, just go to yourapp store, download it and
there's a 14-day free trial soyou will be able to take part in
the Habit Mechanic games.
And there's a link in thedescription of this podcast,
(13:39):
you'll be able to find out more.
Um.
So, john, um, we'll see how thegames take shape as uh, as the
month moves on, and see whoengages in the community in the
different ways they can, usingtools like um the willpower
story, and perhaps sharing theirapproach to doing that with
other people which might helpothers.
Um, what are your hopes, if youlike, then for the habit
(14:01):
mechanic games?
What will you be looking for asas the weeks unfold?
Speaker 2 (14:07):
I just want people to use the tools to consistently
create a willpower story,because I know the power of that
when people do it.
Um, andrew foster was actuallyjust telling me the day about
one of these clients just sayingbut just doing this every day,
and it's so good and it's sopowerful.
And the interesting thing isthat client is a 11 year old kid
(14:31):
who is who is using his plannerevery day, who's on one of our
school programs, something,something Andrew is very
passionate about.
But we know we've got judges,barristers, lawyers, young
professionals and everybody inbetween you know, using these
tools.
So we just want to make it.
We know that people agree andthink it's a good idea, but it's
(14:54):
making it easier for people touse the tools.
So that's what the community isall about and you know, for
some some people the points willbe interesting, for others, the
prize will be interesting, butothers just helping others do
better will be interesting.
So I'm really excited and Ijust know it's going to change
(15:19):
many, many more people's lives.
So we want to help over amillion people in the coming
years to just be doing thisregularly.
So this is a good way to startmoving towards that target.
Speaker 1 (15:34):
Well, John.
Thanks for sharing yourinsights.
Thanks for talking to us.
People can find out more aboutthe Habit Mechanic University
Games on the Tougher Mindswebsite, toughermindscouk, and
there is a link in thedescription of this podcast.
Once again, thanks very muchfor listening and bye for now.
Hello and welcome to the fourth in a series of
podcasts about the HabitMechanic University games which
take place in the Habit MechanicUniversity app.
We're joined by Dr John Finn,who's the creator of both.
He's going to talk us througheverything we need to know.
We've been talking all aboutthe games in previous podcasts
how they'll make it easier forus to change our behavior and
(00:22):
achieve extra hours of peakcognitive performance, and also
understanding much more aboutthat idea, that concept, and how
we can specifically work tobegin improving it.
And on this podcast, john,we're going to talk about
putting everything into action,being practical, which is, of
course, a great feature of thehabit mechanic approach and has
(00:43):
been consistent throughout alltougher minds work.
Um, so the habit mechanicuniversity games, via, via the
tools in the habit mechanicuniversity app, they, among many
other things, ask us to deploywhat we call activation and use
a tool called the will powerstory.
Uh, let's start with activation.
How can we understand that?
(01:05):
To help us do more, achievemore every day yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
So one of the the things that we know is central
for being at our best in healthy, being happy, is managing
stress and, academically, the Isuppose the measurement of
(01:32):
stress is talked about asanxiety and we can have what we
call somatic anxiety, which isphysical.
We can have cognitive anxiety,which is psychological, and the
problem with the word anxiety ispeople just see it and the word
(01:52):
stress is people see it as anegative off the bat, but it's
not.
It can be facilitative forperformance as well.
So we can have facilitativeanxiety levels and we can have
debilitative anxiety levels.
Now, the reason I went intothat detail is because I was
trying to work out I need toexplain this concept to some 11
year old kids.
How do I do it?
(02:14):
And that's why I created theconcept of activation and I
created this activation dial tosay, well, this is, let's just
think about it in a reallysimple way.
So, instead of and I study withthose some of the guys that
created the very complex umactivation models like lou hardy
, because in sport professor louhardy used to be at bangor
(02:34):
university, pretty famous sportspsychology god.
Um, he was also a big intoimagery, which is which is why I
spent a bit of time with him,but these are quite complex
ideas but they're so central forunderstanding ourselves and
(02:54):
every moment of every day.
We are at an activation leveland the trouble is that we're
not always at the activationlevel we need to be at to do the
thing that we need to do.
So the way that we talk aboutactivation is it's on a scale
from 0 to 100.
So you can imagine like aspeedometer, and if you're at 0
(03:17):
on the scale, it means you'redead.
That's the starting point.
If you're at 1 or a 2, two,you'll be in a deep, deep sleep
and then as you wake up, you geta little bit higher.
So you might wake up whenyou're at a 10.
As you get out of bed and movearound, you might go up to a 20
or a 30 and essentially, themore activated you get
(03:39):
physically and mentally, thehigher you go.
So when you're at 100 on thescale, your heart is beating as
fast as you can.
You might be laughing your headoff or you might be the most
stressed that you possibly couldbe, because it kind of looks
the same in your body.
Yeah, so what we want to helppeople to do is to understand
activation and the differentlevels of activation they're
(04:06):
currently at in a normal day oron a work day, you know, sort of
a day off versus the optimalactivation levels they'd like to
be at.
So everything that we do everyday has an optimal activation
level.
So if you want to get a goodnight's sleep tonight, you don't
want to be getting into bedhaving just checked your emails
(04:27):
or checking your emails in bedwhere you get one of those
emails where all of a suddenyou're quite calm and relaxed
but you got really stressed byan email you saw.
So now your activation is up ata 60 or a 70 and you need to be
down at a 5 to go to sleep.
So there's a mismatch.
So you're basically in bedwasting your time.
So that might result in a poornight's sleep.
So you get up the next day andyou you're sitting at your desk
(04:50):
trying to do some clever workbecause you didn't sleep very
well last night.
Until you do the clever work,you need to be maybe a 60 on the
activation dial, because youdidn't sleep very well last
night.
You're only at 30 and you'rejust sitting there sort of
staring into space oreverything's taking you twice as
long as it should do, becauseyou're not at the right
activation level and we canactually place very precisely
(05:16):
different brain states acrossthe activation continuum.
So for me, if I want to do highquality recharge, I need to be
about a 20 on the activationdial and if I want to do high
quality sleep, I need to be, youknow, five and below on the
(05:39):
activation dial, so we can thinkabout having two optimal
activation numbers for ourrecharge.
We've got sleep recharge andnon-sleep recharge.
In the same way, if I want todo high charge, high impact,
peak cognitive performance workthat's on myself I'm building a
(05:59):
new habit.
I'm resisting having lunch atlunchtime because, um, you know
that's not good for my afternoonperformance.
Or I need to create a newproposal for a client, or I'm
writing another chapter thathave mechanic, or I'm innovating
the design and have mechanicgames, whatever it is, then I
need to be about a 60 on theactivation dial to get into
those high charge performancestates and the same with medium
(06:22):
charge.
So what we want to help peopleto do is to create an
understanding of themselves thatis sophisticated but simple,
and we want we want them to havean understanding that they can
use to actually manage theiractivation levels throughout the
course of every 24 hour period.
That is the whole premise ofbeing a habit mechanic.
(06:43):
We want to help people to becomeexpert self-coaches and when
you go on this journey, what youstart to learn is that actually
every super habit you build isreally about activation
management.
It's designed to actually helpyou to improve your activation
level, increase your activationlevel or reduce it.
(07:06):
So in the morning I go for arun to increase my activation
level so that when I get to mydesk I can focus properly.
At the end of the day, I go fora walk.
I do a written reflection and Igo for a walk to reduce my
activation level and what youstart to see is is that what
we're doing across this piece?
We can make it all sound verysimple and it is to implement,
(07:28):
but what we're doing is quitesophisticated, is we're helping
you to build super habits andsuper habit routines to replace
your destructive habits thatmake it easier for you to
consistently match the rightactivation level to the right
task now that that is somethingthat, um, as you say, sounds
(07:49):
simple for people, and it's.
Speaker 1 (07:51):
It's brilliantly simple as a concept, john, I
think.
I think that's why it's sosuccessful, but a key element of
of deploying that concept inpractical terms is a tool that
you have that helps us cope withor manage effectively, navigate
these fluctuations throughoutthe day, and that's the
willpower story.
Tell us now how that fits intothis idea, then, of moving
(08:17):
through your day effectively interms of your brain and your
cognitive performance.
Speaker 2 (08:24):
Yeah.
So Willpower Story is a veryfine-tuned what we call
intelligent self-watching andintelligent planning tool, and
it has three core ingredients.
So it's like a.
It's a timeline of a 24-hourperiod and there are three core
(08:50):
ingredients that go into it.
One is an understanding of whatyou need to get done today, and
we split that work into eithereasy things that you need to do,
which we call ice cubes thatcould be jobs at work.
It could be jobs at home.
It could be things in your lifethat you need to do.
They're fairly habitual,automated things.
They're the things that willincreasingly be replaced by AI.
(09:12):
And then we have other taskswhich are more mentally complex.
They need more focus, they needmore concentration.
We call them building icesculptures.
That could be working onbuilding a better sleep habit.
It could be working on a newclient proposal.
It could be innovating a newsolution.
(09:33):
Working on a new clientproposal.
It could be innovating a newsolution.
It could be studying thechapter 18 of the habit mechanic
book to learn about the actionfactors.
So the first thing we want tothink about in our willpower
story is well, what are thethings the ice cubes and ice
sculpture tasks that we're doingin a 24-hour period, and.
And.
Then we can list those down, wecan put a time commitment next
(09:55):
to each one, we can put them ina priority order and we can
start to place them on thetimeline.
But before we do that, we needto consider how we're going to
manage our brain states acrossthe 24-hour period.
So we know that we need tospend some good quality time
recharging.
That might be 10, 11, 12 hoursof good quality recharge.
(10:17):
We need to factor that in.
We want to be spending four orfive hours doing focus, high
impact work, so we might blockthat throughout the course of
the day.
So we might do a three hourblock in the morning and then a
two, two hour in the afternoon,however we want to do it, or a
one hour one in the afternoon,however we want to do it, or a
one-hour, one-hour, one-hour,however you want to do it.
(10:37):
And then we've got the ice cubejobs in between.
So we need to consider whatbrain states the ice cube jobs
need and the ice sculpture jobsneed and also factor in enough
recharge time.
So the ice cube jobs are goingto be medium charge jobs and the
(11:00):
ice sculpture jobs will be highcharge jobs.
So one of the things I do everymorning is I go for a run.
I actually do my tea plan, I gofor a run and then I do a
willpower story when I get to mydesk.
That's a little super habitroutine so that I can get my and
that's built on a good night'ssleep so I can get my activation
(11:22):
level up to a high enough levelto get into the high-charge
brain state so I can build myeye sculpture.
And again, I added myself thereslightly, because the third
ingredient is activation level.
So you're then going toconsider which activation level
you need to be at in each brainstate and before you do your
willpower story, you'll do anactivation review where you map
(11:45):
out your, your normal activationthroughout the course of the
day and then your optimalactivation level.
So that allows you to makes iteasier to complete your
willpower story.
So I may be making that soundover complex, but it's not.
It's very simple.
You timeline your day, you mapout your ice cube jobs and your
ice sculptor jobs, you considerwhich brain states you you need
(12:08):
to be in during the course ofthe day, including your recharge
brain states, and you thinkabout what activation levels do
I need to get up, get into, toget to those brain states.
So it's one of those toolswhere you spend five minutes and
it literally saves you hoursand it unlocks hours and hours
of extra peak cognitiveperformance so you can actually
(12:29):
get to the end of the day andfeel good about yourself yeah, I
think it's worth saying, john.
Speaker 1 (12:34):
I've, of course, had the opportunity to see the
willpower story simple in termsof, perhaps, how it looks to
some people, but it'sunderpinned by extremely
sophisticated science to make itso powerful and so effective.
And, of course, it is part ofthe Habit Mechanic University
app and hence, the HabitMechanic Games.
Thanks for talking to us insuch great depth about this new,
(12:57):
exciting idea of the HabitMechanic Games, which has
already started by the time youlisten to this podcast.
But don't worry, you can stillget involved.
If you're already a member ofHabit Mechanic University and
you haven't seen theinteractions in the community,
well, we'll have a closer lookand get involved.
If you've signed up to the appthe Habit Mechanic University
app but haven't used it yet, thegames give you a great platform
to start and go forward on.
(13:17):
And the games give you a greatplatform to start and go forward
on.
And if you're hearing thispodcast perhaps for the first
time and you haven't yetdownloaded the Habits Mechanic
University app, just go to yourapp store, download it and
there's a 14-day free trial soyou will be able to take part in
the Habit Mechanic games.
And there's a link in thedescription of this podcast,
(13:39):
you'll be able to find out more.
Um.
So, john, um, we'll see how thegames take shape as uh, as the
month moves on, and see whoengages in the community in the
different ways they can, usingtools like um the willpower
story, and perhaps sharing theirapproach to doing that with
other people which might helpothers.
Um, what are your hopes, if youlike, then for the habit
(14:01):
mechanic games?
What will you be looking for asas the weeks unfold?
Speaker 2 (14:07):
I just want people to use the tools to consistently
create a willpower story,because I know the power of that
when people do it.
Um, andrew foster was actuallyjust telling me the day about
one of these clients just sayingbut just doing this every day,
and it's so good and it's sopowerful.
And the interesting thing isthat client is a 11 year old kid
(14:31):
who is who is using his plannerevery day, who's on one of our
school programs, something,something Andrew is very
passionate about.
But we know we've got judges,barristers, lawyers, young
professionals and everybody inbetween you know, using these
tools.
So we just want to make it.
We know that people agree andthink it's a good idea, but it's
(14:54):
making it easier for people touse the tools.
So that's what the community isall about and you know, for
some some people the points willbe interesting, for others, the
prize will be interesting, butothers just helping others do
better will be interesting.
So I'm really excited and Ijust know it's going to change
(15:19):
many, many more people's lives.
So we want to help over amillion people in the coming
years to just be doing thisregularly.
So this is a good way to startmoving towards that target.
Speaker 1 (15:34):
Well, John.
Thanks for sharing yourinsights.
Thanks for talking to us.
People can find out more aboutthe Habit Mechanic University
Games on the Tougher Mindswebsite, toughermindscouk, and
there is a link in thedescription of this podcast.
Once again, thanks very muchfor listening and bye for now.
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