Andrew Collins | Karahan Tepe, Entering Sky World, & Plasma Being Communication Rituals

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The planets
puppet masters
almost surely
have a plan
that's clearly
maybe
something there
beyond the realm of man.

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And until
we thoroughly
tested
every last
close chested view,
I find the more we think we know,
that the less we really
do, where
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without

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Because we know they're lying to us.
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The higher side checks show. Gregg

(04:15):
Carlwood
and company.
Then you can't steal my sunshine from the
sunshine state. I'm Gregg Carlwood, and while the
modern world is full of individual people with
bizarre stories of entity encounters, crop circles, balls
of light, and strange journeys to hidden realms,
our culture is completely devoid of any acknowledgment,

(04:37):
let alone encouragement or understanding of these engagements.
But what if long ago civilizations
existed where this was not the case and
in fact, entire stone megaliths and monuments were
built for facilitating this non human entity communication
with animalistic spirit beings and conscious plasma?
A time where shamanic rituals were popularized and
leaned into long before the multitude of distractions

(05:00):
and entertainment options of today.
A legacy perhaps carried on through secret societies
despite every attempt to destroy it by the
consolidated power structure of the time.
Well, these are just some of the major
themes found in the work of today's guest,
Andrew Collins, who has been writing about the
crossroads of history and science for over 40
years with books like From the Ashes of

(05:22):
Angels, The Forbidden Legacy of a Fallen Race,
Gods of Eden, Egypt's Lost Legacy in the
Genesis of Civilization,
The Cygnus Mystery, unlocking the ancient secrets of
life's origins in the cosmos,
LightQuest,
your guide to seeing and interacting with UFOs,
mystery lights, and plasma intelligences,
the Cygnus Key, the Denisovan legacy, Gobekli Tepe

(05:45):
and the birth of Egypt, Gobekli Tepe, Genesis
of the Gods, the Temple of the Watchers
and the Discovery of Eden,
and the 2 co authored books with doctor
Gregory Little that we've covered previously, Denesovan
Origins, Human Hybrids, Gobekli Tepe and the Genesis
of Giants in Ancient America,
and Origins of the Gods, Kisum Caves, Skinwalkers,

(06:06):
and Contact with Transdimensional
Intelligences.
His latest book, Karahantepae,
Civilization of the Anunnaki and the Cosmic Origins
of the Serpent of Eden, puts the Karahantephe
site in the larger context of shamanic rituals
and higher intelligence he's been talking about for
years. And let it also be known that
among Andrew's greatest achievements in the field of

(06:26):
ancient civilizations
was the discovery of a huge cave complex
beneath the shadow of the Great Pyramid of
Egypt, now known as Collins Cave.
A true legend, and I'm lucky to have
him here, the plasma intelligence hypothesizer
ancient civilization sleuth and teacher of the tepes.
Andrew Collins, I can hardly believe it. Welcome
to THC.

(06:47):
Hello, Greg. Thank you for that extraordinary
introduction.
Hopefully, I'll live up to that in what
we talk about today. Oh, I know you
will, and I'm just super excited about this.
It's only been a year or 2 since
I started to understand the plasma context when
it comes to communications with some sort of
hyperdimensional
beings and the things usually called

(07:09):
aliens or spirits or even gods. And then
I learned that you've been highlighting this since
at least your 2012 book, Light Quest, if
not before. But to start with the latest
book, this does come up in Karahantepay
because your assessment of the site is that
it was a ritual space designed for communication
with just such a being. Right?

(07:29):
Yeah. Absolutely. Yeah. I mean, what is Karahantepay?
It is arguably the most enigmatic
of
the so called Tajtepeller
ritual sites in Southeastern Turkey,
but not the most well known. The most
well known is, of course, Gobekli Tepe,
which we've known about since the beginning of

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this current century.
And I've been on since that time. And
the reason why I got on to it
was because in the mid 19 nineties, I
wrote a book which you've already mentioned called
from the ashes of angels,
which talked about
the myths and legends
of the various different mythical beings of the
Near East and Middle East that were said

(08:12):
to have given humanity
the rudiments of civilization.
In Hebrew myth, they are known as the
Watchers and the Nephilim.
In Mesopotamian myth, they're known as the Anunnaki.
In Iranian myth, they're known as the Immortals.
In Armenian myth, they're known as the Giants.
And all of them are said to have

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looked quite different to the
mortal beings that they interact with.
But they're very clearly, in my opinion, a
memory of
flesh and blood human beings that existed on
this earth and probably
were responsible for kick starting
what we know as the Neolithic revolution at

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the end of the last ice age.
And this occurred in what is today southeastern
and eastern Turkey.
And this created this
first post
ice age civilization
that we know today under the term Trasztepella.
And this is a term that people are
gonna have to get familiar with because it's

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what the people
in Turkey want us to call it.
Tas
basically means
stone, really, and this refers to the fact
that this culture were the first to build
in stone.
And the tepala relates to the tepes,
which are these occupational
mounds,
these layer cakes of human activity,

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which all of these structures have been built
either within or on top of or whatever.
Each different generation building something new, either to
the side or on top and gradually creating
this huge
mound
that you often see in the landscape of
southeastern Turkey.

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I mean, not only is places like Gobekli
Tepe, obviously, by virtue of its name, one
of these occupational mounds, but there are literally
hundreds of them.
And most of them have actually not
been fully investigated.
I mean, if you go to that area,
you'll you'll see them all over the place.
I mean, some of them date back 12000
years, but some of them only go back
to the iron age, maybe to 3000

(10:24):
years. But it's a familiar site. So this
is the term that's now used, Tashtepeller.
And this
revolves around Gobekli Tepe, around Karahantepai.
And what you have at these sites are
these
extraordinary stone enclosures with t shaped pillars.
And these t shaped pillars are like spokes
of a wheel around

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what is generally two much larger
monolithic
t shaped pillars at the center of these
enclosures.
And the t shaped pillars themselves
are covered in beautiful carved imagery,
mostly animals,
animals presumably of the natural world in which
these people lived. But also, there is human

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representations
as well, plus human heads.
There are certain animals that crop up again
and again, like the boar,
the vulture,
the leopard or panther,
the bull, which very clearly must have had
a special place
within this community,
probably to do with animistic and shamanistic

(11:29):
beliefs.
And there are also beliefs and practices that
can be deduced
from a number of the carved
pillars, particularly one called pillar 43
that we find in Gobekli Tepe, which is
essentially
an information board, really,
telling the shaman how to enter into the

(11:52):
sky world and what exactly they'll find when
they get there.
So this is the background of it, but
Karahantepai
is somewhere that I've been going to since
2004,
so over 20
years now.
And when I first got there,
all that you could see on the ground
was just a few

(12:13):
angled
pieces of what they call pothole stones, which
looked like they might have come out of
a medieval building, but they dated back at
least 10000 years.
There were stone tools all over the place,
thousands of them, showing that there was an
awful lot of human activity there
in the past.
But in addition to that, there were the

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heads of these t shaped pillars just sticking
up out of the ground.
Most of them quite warm because they've been
exposed
above the surface
of the Earth, you know, for probably
10000 years.
And it was quite obvious that somewhere here
was another Gobekli Tepe.
And in 2019,

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excavations
began
there under the leadership of doctor Nezhmi Karol
of the University of Istanbul.
And from that point onwards through to today,
they've uncovered
what I would describe as virtually a lost
city of the Anunnaki.
Why the Anunnaki we can come on to?
But, I mean, it's just extraordinary,
and it's quite clear that what was happening

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at Karahantepay
is far deeper,
far rawer,
far more shamanic
than what was happening at Gobekli Tepe. I
mean, to me, Gobekli Tepe is almost like
a sort of
Catholic cathedral, you know, of lots of different
chapels and churches and rooms and whatever.
Whereas
whatever was going on at Karahanshaepe

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was much darker,
much more gnostic.
You know, these people were trying to get
to the root of everything, trying to understand
quite literally, you know, who we were, where
we come from, and what's
out there, basically.
Mhmm. Well, that is a great summary. And
on the subject of how to enter the

(13:59):
sky world that you mentioned, I wanted to
read this section even though it's long, and
I'm gonna butcher the names. But this section
is called entering starry portals.
In their seminal work on the development of
beliefs and practices relating to world ages, cosmic
axis, and the concept of processional time titled
Hamlet's Mill,
Italian American philosopher and historian of science,

(14:22):
Giorgio
d Santillana,
and German anthropologist,
Hertha
von De Chan, had much to say about
such alignments, drawing on star
lore and mythological traditions from such diverse places
as North and South America, Polynesia,
Egypt, and Mesopotamia,
they gathered together compelling evidence to suggest that

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there once existed
a collective
understanding
regarding the soul's journey to the afterlife via
the Milky Way.
This, they proposed, was accessed via 2 sky
gates corresponding
to where the elliptic,
the sun's annual path through the zodiacal constellations,
crossed this starry stream making the outer rim

(15:04):
of our own Milky Way galaxy.
One of these sky gates was located in
the vicinity of the Scorpius, Sagittarius,
and Ophiuchus,
with the other on the opposite side of
the sky close to the constellations of Gemini,
Taurus, and Orion,
and the cluster of 7 stars known as
the Pleiades.
Both sky gates became accessible to the land

(15:25):
of the living
when they lined up with the local horizon
at the time of the summer and winter
solstice.
And then you go on to talk about
the alignments of Karahamtepay
fitting into this model quite nicely, but it's
that last part I hoped you could elaborate
on. Both sky gates became accessible to the
land of the living when they lined up

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with the local horizon at the time of
the summer and winter solstice.
I mean, what does that really mean? Because
that is
quite bizarre. It seems like a natural cosmic
timekeeping system that opens
portals to the sky world that is just
completely lost today.
I mean, when we talk in terms of
alignments

(16:06):
at ancient sites, you know, we think of
places like Stonehenge
that's aligned to the the summer solstice sunrise,
and at the same time, the winter solstice
sunset.
We think of Newgrange, the huge passage grave
in the Boyne Valley of Ireland, which was
built about 3,000 BC, the same time as

(16:26):
Stonehenge. That's aligned to the winter solstice sunrise.
And if you're inside its chamber,
at this time, the sun will come along
this long thin corridor
and hit
these carvings at the back of the chamber.
An incredible experience and would have had massive
symbolic value for these people.
You know, we also think of the moon.

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There are sites that are aligned to the
maximum
points in the 18.61
year cycle of the moon.
And we also think of stars. You know,
we know that Orion
was
used prominently
in the orientation
of ancient sites worldwide, most obviously at Giza,

(17:08):
although I have my own views on that.
But
the key is that these are not done
simply for the sake of it. I mean,
firstly,
these alignments are done to synchronize,
you know, the day to day living
or the yearly growth cycle of people on
earth
to to synchronize
their life with the celestial bodies. In other

(17:30):
words, that they're a part of the sky
themself, a case of as above, so below.
You know, that famous old axiom.
But it's more than that because
these people believed that there were 3 different
worlds. When I say these people, I mean,
this is a universal belief that's found
amongst Native American peoples, amongst

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Siberian and Mongolian
shamans. It's in
Eastern Europe,
and it would seem to have been at
places like Gobekli Tepe and Kara Han Tepe.
And this is the concept that there were
3 different worlds. There is our world, the
middle earth.
There is a lower world,
which we often refer to as the underworld,

(18:10):
but there is also the sky world or
the upper world.
And all of these are linked via
some kind of
means, whether it be a tree,
like in Norse tradition, you have the uttrosil
tree, the gray ash tree that links the
3 worlds.
It could be something like a sky pole,
you know, a symbolic pole that would be

(18:31):
erected
that shamans would literally climb
to actually reach the top to believe that
they were entering into the sky world.
And the lower world was accessed via things
like pools of water or springs
or holes in the ground that would open
up when trees were knocked down
during thunderstorms
and hurricanes and stuff like that. So there

(18:52):
were these 3 different worlds, but how did
you get to the sky world? And the
way that you got to the sky world
was via something that we don't even think
about very much today, and that's the Milky
Way. You know, when we look outside here,
I mean, I live in an urban environment.
You know, I can see the stars.
I can see Orion. I can see Ursa
Major.

(19:13):
I can see a few other bright stars
and obviously the planets
at night.
But what I cannot see is the Milky
Way, and this is the edge of our
own Milky Way galaxy.
You know, if you can imagine that we
live in a galaxy that looks a bit
like a dinner plate,
and if we're sort of somewhere towards the

(19:34):
center of that dinner plate, we're not exactly
at the center. We're actually 26 1,000 light
years away from the center. But if you
can imagine looking out to the edges of
that plate,
that's what the Milky Way is. It's the
thick clusters of stars and galaxies
that are on the very edge of that
galaxy. And to us, it looks like a

(19:54):
band, you know, a ring that encircles the
Earth, or certainly that's the way that it
looked in the past.
And there's no way that the ancients would
have ignored this.
And
the sun crosses it
two times of the year,
as you mentioned,
in
the time of Sagittarius
and Scorpius on one side of the sky,

(20:16):
and then around 6 months later in the
area of Taurus, Gemini,
which brings in the constellations
of Orion, but also the Pleiades star cluster.
So they're they're on opposite sides of the
sky.
And what happened was that
when
the Milky Way synchronized
at this time, when the sun crossed it,

(20:38):
obviously, the the sunrises or sunsets of the
solstices,
that was the time that you could quite
literally
either walk or make some leap of faith
onto the Milky Way that would then allow
you passage along the Milky Way towards some
central point.
And that central point

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was almost always the same, and it was
where the Milky Way actually splits into 2
separate streams.
And that's in the vicinity of a constellation
that we know today as the northern cross
or Cygnus.
Cygnus,
the stars
come together to form a celestial bird.

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It's a bird that's almost always associated with
2 things.
The human soul,
it's like the soul as it takes flight
as a bird.
In the Middle East, it was a vulture.
In America, it was the eagle,
the turkey vulture in Europe. And in Siberia,
it was the swan or the goose.

(21:40):
And in other parts of the world,
exotic birds like the bird of paradise, for
instance, in the Pacific.
But they all represented the human soul. But
the other aspect to do with Cygnus was
that it was a bird of creation.
It was seen that creation
began in that area of the sky. Why?
Well, the answer to that
comes from the fact that the stars move

(22:04):
against
the background of the Earth itself over a
cycle,
which that book that you mentioned, Hamlet's Mill,
makes blatantly clear was something that was important
to the ancients,
and the a lot of their lore and
legends to do with the sky built around
the movement
of the stars, the starry background
against the position of the sun. It's a

(22:26):
cycle processional cycle, 26000
years it takes.
And
in the past,
the pole star, which is today
Polaris in the constellation of Ursa Minor,
was in other constellations.
It moves around in a circle. And around
17000 years ago, it precisely aligned

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not just with Cygnus,
but also
with the Milky Way by virtue of that
because,
obviously, Cygnus is on the Milky Way. So
each night, as you'd have gone outside,
you would have seen the Milky Way turning
like some
celestial
propeller
around
the center point of the sky, and this
must have been something that was incredible

(23:09):
to behold.
It doesn't happen today at all. You know?
In other words, we can't get any idea
of this.
So that center point
of that cosmic propeller, if you like, the
turning point of the heavens was seen
as the place of entry into the sky
world. But you couldn't just go there, you
had to do it via

(23:30):
the Milky Way, and there were two places
in the sky that you could do that.
The area of Sagittarius and Scorpius
and the area of Gemini and Taurus on
the other side of the sky. These were
the leap off points,
and different cultures favored 1 or the other.
What we have at Gobekli Tepe, for instance,
is evidence that they favored

(23:52):
the direction of
Sagittarius and Scorpius.
This is seen in pillar 43 at Gobekli
Tepe. You've got this huge scorpion,
and you've got this guy
sitting on the back of a vulture
being led into the sky world where there's
another big vulture
waiting for him.
But
Karahantepai,

(24:13):
you can see this within alignments.
I mean, almost immediately that I saw an
aerial view of the excavations at Karahant back
at the end of 2021.
I noticed that one of the enclosures, the
3 interconnected enclosures that are all rock cut
cut out of the actual
bedrock
actually aligns

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towards sunset
at the time of the summer solstice.
Now that's amazing in itself and possibly would
have been arguably one of the oldest alignments
towards the sun anywhere in the world.
But if you remained in that position,
looking in the same direction that the sun
has just set,
2 hours later, when it gets dark, you

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would have beheld a wonderful sight. And that
would have been the Milky Way
rising vertically up in the sky
with the 2 streams
right in front of you, in the middle
of which is what's known as the Cygnus
or the dark rift.
And
the stars of Scorpius would have just set.
Those of Sagittarius would have been right in
view,

(25:16):
and you would have been able to make
that leap of faith
to the Milky Way and climb
up the Cygnus rift to the stars of
Cygnus and enter into the sky world.
So this is obviously planned. This is not
something that's coincidence
and forms part of what was quite clearly
some kind of sky religion

(25:38):
that these people adhere to as much as
10 to 12000 years ago.
So this is something that we eventually will
find all over the world with monuments that
are built after this time, but you're dealing
with a universal
idea
of entering the sky world that's in every

(25:58):
continent, I would say. I mean, clearly, if
you go south of the equator, things start
changing because everybody's focusing on the southern
stars and, obviously, the southern celestial pole. But
in the northern hemisphere,
this was the basic cosmological
principle that all of these ancient cultures would
have adhered to.

(26:19):
Yeah. Wow. What a summary.
It sounds way more powerful than putting the
stars up on a digital screen in a
planetarium like we do today and get impressed
by that. But, man, yes,
birds are big symbols as are snakes. And
when you talk about the bean
that it seems like they might have been
in communication with at Karahantepe,

(26:41):
you used the term snake genius several times
and I love that term.
And snakes are also, like, so core to
symbolism
and
shamanic and religious traditions from the Garden of
Eden and the Ayahuasca ritual to even things
like the Kundalini experience.
This is a major theme when we bring

(27:02):
in esoteric
energies, and
you've talked about how Karahenthepe
there's images in the book. The whole site,
the
shrine pillar or the pillar shrine is kind
of looks like a snake head when you
get that bird's eye view, and then there's
a little chasm that looks like a snake
body. It's pretty impressive, but there's also a

(27:25):
giant stone human head in the pillar shrine.
And I just wanted to quote the book
here. You write, the giant stone head emerging
from the west wall of Karahantepe's
pillar shrine
is, I suspect, a physical representation of the
Milky Way Serpent's active spirit.
If this is correct, then the stone head
would presumably have been a focal point for

(27:46):
anyone wishing to communicate with this perceived intelligence
in the form of either a snake genius
or of an anthropomorphic
being with serpentine qualities.
A direct historical
comparison
with what might have been happening at Karahentepi
is, I believe, the
oracular communications
recorded as having taken place in pre classical

(28:08):
and classical times at Delphi in Greece.
Very interesting. Obviously, that's an example
everyone knows, so there's a good analogy there
that there is a strong history of
having a ritual space where you commune with
an intelligence that's nonhuman
reliably,
seemingly
the same one over and over again.

(28:29):
But
talk to us about this. I mean, I
just laid a lot out there. I summarized
a huge chunk of the book, but this
snake genius.
Well, I suppose
you have
to look at Karahantapa and say what was
going on here,
9000
BC, 11000
years ago.
And the first clear indication

(28:50):
is that there are snakes everywhere.
There are carved snakes. There are incised snakes.
There's
carved
rats going into the ground that are serpentine
in nature.
There is the huge stone head that you've
talked about, which is
like something out of Beetlejuice, basically, coming out
of the wall of the pillar shrine. I
mean, you know, like a a snake body

(29:12):
with a human head, a giant human head,
3 times the size of a normal human
head.
And, yeah, you have to say to yourself,
what are these people trying to do here?
What are they trying to achieve?
Well,
if you look at the pillar shrine itself
as you pointed out, it's actually the shape
of the head
of

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an actual snake.
And the only way that you would have
been able to get into that pillar shrine
in the past, because we think it probably
had a roof,
is through this tiny little pothole
right at the front of the mouth, if
you like.
So the shaman would have come from the
big elliptical enclosure
that you find there
and literally crawled their way through this little

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hole going inside the pillar shrine.
And there you have these 10
standing pillars that have been cut out of
the bedrock itself,
which is an incredible
feat. I mean, to even attempt this,
there is an 11th pillar as well that
looks like a raised serpent that comes out

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of the ground that, you know, it looks
like the full tongue of the actual snake
itself.
So you're inside the head of a snake
now. You know, why would you do this?
Why would you put yourself
in the head of a snake? I mean,
under any normal circumstances,
this is madness and would only lead to
bad things.
But I think what they were trying to

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do is
exactly this. They were trying to be eaten
by this snake on a symbolic level or
certainly on a shamanic or astral level.
What I mean by this is that
if you're being consumed by this snake
and quite literally passing
into its body, into its DNA, if you

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like,
then that brings you at one with it.
So
what
kind of snake genius are we talking about
here? And by the way, the the term
snake genius essentially means a spirit in the
form of a snake. In other words, a
snake that can quite literally talk to you,
most obviously with a human head so that
it can actually talk in in a sort

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of a human language. Because I'm sure in
the past,
people
thought that snakes, you know, just hissed. So
if they had a human head, then they
could talk to us directly.
But
can we identify this state that they were
interested in, this state genius? Well,
I thought about this long enough, and I
realized that it was connected
with this area of the sky

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around the area of Sagittarius and Scorpius and
Ophiuchus.
And what was clear
is that this area was steeped in
Skylar to do with snakes.
Ophiuchus, which is often known as the 13th
sign of the zodiac,
holds a snake known as Sapiens,
and this is formed out of stars that

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run through this particular constellation,
Scorpius itself.
Although we know as a scorpion, generally,
many ancient cultures saw it as a snake,
including in Native America, for instance. I mean,
the serpent mound in Adams County, Ohio.
That's been identified

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as a form of Scorpio, for instance, because
at the time of the summer solstice,
when the head of that snake was aligned
to the sun as it set,
that same night, Scorpio would have been prominent
in the sky
directly south, and it's been proposed
that the earth mound itself, this effigy mound,

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is a representation
of
Scorpius in its role as a snake. But
in many other countries as well,
this area of the sky is associated with
the snake, you know, the Scorpius.
I realized that, but then I realized something
much more obvious,
and that is that the Milky Way itself
was seen as the snake.
And once I started looking that up,

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cultures from India to Mesopotamia
to North America to Mexico
to South America,
and in other parts of the world, even
in Greece.
The Milky Way was seen as a huge
cosmic
serpent.
It was known as the world encircling
snake or the world encircling. The ouroboros symbol.

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The ouroboros
in Egyptian or Greco Egyptian tradition.
And if you look into north mythology,
it is what's known as the Midgard Serpent.
And this fall part of this whole tradition
to do with the 3 worlds, the upper
world, the middle world, and the lower world.
If you look online and put Yutrisil, you
know, the world tree

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of Norse mythology,
you'll see a really great image that comes
up that shows the tree. It shows the
middle earth. It shows the sky world in
the upper branches of the tree. It shows
the lower world going down into the roots.
And surrounding it all, you have the Midgard
Serpent,
and you have an ocean beyond that. Now
this is not the terrestrial ocean.

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This is what's known as the cosmic
ocean.
The cosmic ocean was thought to exist
before
the physical
universe came into being.
And in some strange way, this is a
intuitive
idea
of what we would call the big bang,
really.
Because certain theories

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within that suggest that prior
to the coming into being of our physical
universe,
there existed
this state
known as the bulk, which is 11 dimensional
in nature.
And that manifesting
into this 11 dimensional realm
was something that in string theory, they referred

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to as as a brane, you know, b
r a n e.
And that this
inflates like a balloon
or a bubble.
And into this, our physical universe came into
being, and it has its own laws of
physics, which are 3 dimensions of space and
one of time.
But within it, somehow, compactified

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are all those higher dimensions as well.
But the
other universes can exist, and this is, in
many ways, exactly what
many ancient cosmologists
talk about. That this cosmic ocean, which was
known as the primordial
chaos
or the primordial
void, existed
prior to the coming into being of the

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physical universe.
And it's often said that the being
responsible for this took the form of a
snake or serpent, which became
a world encircling
serpent. And
if you look up the gnostic snake egg,
you know, you'll see this beautiful image of
an egg with a serpent called around it.

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That egg is our universe
before that
egg breaks open
and forms the vault of heaven, but also
the earth itself and also
the lower world.
Again, these are ideas which although you might
say, well, you know, surely they're 1000 of
years after the time of Karahantapai, and they
are. Of course, they are. But they're universal,

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which means that you're looking at something that
probably has an origin
going
back
into the last ice site. So in other
words,
more than 12000 years old, and that would
probably have been universal, not only across the
Eurasian
continent in the past, but also through into
the Americas, which remember
was linked

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with
the Eurasian continent via the Beringia
land bridge.
And this was closed up only about 9
to 10000 BC. So there would have been
a flow of peoples,
you know, going probably from Europe all the
way across
into Russia, Siberia, obviously,
across into Alaska, into the Americas.

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Yeah. This is obviously the standard model
of the population of the Americas.
But, of course, with this would have come
all of these traditions that preexisted.
Yeah. You can find so many links, for
instance,
between the shamanism
of Siberia
and Mongolia, for instance, and that of North
America. I mean, they are almost exactly the

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same,
and this is something that would have been
shared
at least 12000
years ago, maybe even as much as 40000
years ago.
Man,
it does go deep. And, you know, the
occultists also have a very similar model for
their cosmology
with the dot and the circle that consciousness

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was at one point, and then it pushed
itself out in a big bang kind of
way, but it's just kinda more of an
animist
viewpoint of the same sort of model. This
expanding from a single point
came everything.
And I wanted to jump over to the
mystery of the alabaster bowl because to make
the case that this kind of ritual activity
and

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activity and ritual activity is happening at Karahantep'e
is strengthened by just pointing out that it
happened
all over the place and in many different
places.
And you write here that there are very
few artifacts directly related to the
Ophite Gnostics,
and we know very little
about what these
heretic Christians did in their mystical rites and

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shamanic rituals. But this bowl
that is believed to be a relic of
their mystery schools might tell us a little
bit. It is a round bowl with 16
naked people
sitting in a circle with their feet towards
the center, and in the center, like a
bull's eye, is a very strange winged
serpent creature. I mean, we talked about birds.

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We talked about snakes. Sometimes those symbols are
combined, and then we have the dragon lore
all over the place. But, yes, a winged
serpent creature
that seems to be in a ball of
light with rays coming out and touching each
person's feet.
If I was trying to illustrate
a group
communication
ritual with a winged serpent being of light,

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I don't think I could do a better
job than what is depicted
on this bowl.
Talk to us about this relic and what
it means to you because it kinda suggests
that there's this point where, you know, you're
making a big site like Karatepe,
people are gonna know about it. And it
seems like maybe this kind of ritualization and
communication was democratized or more widespread.

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And then, of course, authorities want to suppress
such a thing, it seems, like, at some
point, and then it goes into the mystery
schools and it's more underground.
And this relic seems to be
kind of,
evidence of this maybe turning point of, at
least this next chapter where it is more
a suppressed thing, but we have this one

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mysterious bowl from the gnostics.
Yeah.
I'm gonna have to go back to Karahan
to explain why that this is so important.
Because
the question is, this Milky Way serpent, did
it really exist? Was it an intelligence in
its own right? Well,
the area of its head
corresponded with something that we know as galactic

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center or the galactic bulge.
This is in the area of Scorpius and
Sagittarius.
And in the past, this would have looked
like some kind
of celestial light bulb in the sky.
And because right through the center of it
is the Cygnus rift or the dark rift,
It looks like it's an open mouth creature,

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and very often this creature was associated
with the head of a snake
or serpent.
I mean, it can be identified as other
animals as well, but mostly it was as
a snake.
So the head
of the Milky Way Serpent was the galactic
bulge. This corresponds with galactic center.

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What we know about galactic center, the center
of our own Milky Way galaxy, is that
there is a huge
supermassive
black hole there
known as
Sagittarius
a star in astronomical
circles.
And there have been proposals,
most notably
by the great free thinker of our times,

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Rupert Sheldrake,
that this supermassive black hole
could be an intelligent being in its own
right, that it has its own consciousness.
And this forms into the
idea known as panpsychism,
and that is the everything has consciousness.
You know, every tree, every
rock, every place in the landscape, every well,

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every hill,
But as well as the sun, the moon,
you know, stars,
neutron stars, they've all got consciousness in some
way, shape, or another. We just haven't recognized
that until now.
So it could well be that the center
of our galaxy is a intelligence
that is almost like a localized form of

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god, if you like. Okay? I mean,
let's call it that.
So bearing that in mind, is it possible
that the people of Karahantapai
were intuitively
aware
that
their own particular higher intelligence
was connected with the head of the Milky
Way Serpent
and, thus, the direction of galactic center? I

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think the answer is definitely yes.
So coming forward in time, what happened to
the knowledge of the people of Karahantabay?
Well, it seems to have filtered down
through certain
huge
ritual centers in the area of
Karahant and Gobekli.

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One of those is the ancient city of
Haran,
and this is in the center of this
huge
plain.
And this was the clearing house
through until
probably
the middle ages
of incredible
knowledge and wisdom
that would eventually
come to find its way into everything from

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Hermetica
to
gnosticism
and various mystery schools, including the tarot, interestingly
enough.
And
the knowledge there,
I think, goes all the way back to
Karahantapai.
I mean, to start off with Haran,
the oldest occupational mound on the site,
goes back to about 8,000 BC.

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So we know that it was occupied
right at the tail end of the occupation
of Karahantepay
and Gobekli Tepe, which was around that day,
around 8,000 BC.
And it's my belief that people were carrying
forward ideas at Haran and also at the
nearby city of Ulfa,
which is modern day Schallerfa,

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which we'll come on to separately. These are
known as the cities of the Chaldeans. The
Chaldeans
were the ancient
astronomers, the ancient astrologers,
the ancient soothsayers,
and wisdom bringers
of this region,
and they created
Gnosticism.
Gnosticism
focused around the idea

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that there was a localized form of god
that took the shape of a snake, a
serpent,
which they called the good serpent.
But this was only acting on behalf
of an invisible
god
that was beyond it,
that was seen almost like a sort of
invisible sun
that sort of radiated out its beams of

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influence,
but that it was beyond
our comprehension,
and we needed an interface
to connect with god. Now the gnostics,
the
just simply means serpent.
These serpent worshipers
believed that the snake
was literally the son of God, the role
that Jesus would eventually take within, obviously,

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the more orthodox
conventional forms of Christianity.
And that that snake
could give them knowledge
of this supernal
son.
You know, in other words, of God himself,
and this was known as the nowas or
the gnosis,
the knowledge of God himself. In other words,
what was really, really going on out there,

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and that this is what I think the
people of Karahantapai
were trying to achieve themself.
But not just knowledge and wisdom,
which I think that they achieved through shamanic
experiences
that would have involved almost certainly the use
of hallucinogenic
drugs, the use of constant repetitive
sound,
probably sensory deprivation,

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possibly even the use of ritual poles. We
think that some of these
enclosures at Karahantapai
almost certainly had water in them. And the,
you know, the shamans or the initiates would
have to go into this water possibly for
days on end
to quite literally get out of their heads
and experience this communication
with this higher intelligence in the form of

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a snake.
But these ideas are filtered down into the
gnostic
beliefs, and the alabaster bowl that we're talking
about surfaced
in the mid 19th century
and was, you know, commented
by various scholars at the time,
and this continued through
into the 20th century.

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It's originally found in the 19th century and
then obviously
was written about in detail in 20th.
You described it. You know, it's got these
16 figures,
male and female, naked with their feet
touching
this you know, I mean, it looks like
a flower, but it's probably the sun itself.
It has 32

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rays coming out of it. So one each
for all of the feet of the individuals,
and sitting right on that is the cosmic
serpent itself.
You know, these people are clearly bathing themselves
in this energy
that's coming from the supernal sun. And let's
say these are not my mad ideas.

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The gnostic scholars
that have looked at this in great detail
have concluded exactly that.
And I think that what you are looking
at here
is a stylized representation
of exactly what was going on at Karah
and Tepai
as much as 11 to 12000 years ago.
And I think that's quite extraordinary.

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And I think that it's all come through.
Places like Haran
and Ufa, which in the bible was known
as the city of Edessa, by the way.
And, yeah, these places are incredibly important
for having kept alive
all of this ancient wisdom
and then passing it on to new generations

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through new cults, new religions,
new ideas,
which
meant that it was available
through right the way
until
late antiquity. In other words, the time of
the first Christians, the first gnostics,
which
meant that these gnostics were connecting
with an ancient source
and intelligence

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that
was real and was out there somewhere in
the center of our own galaxy.
Again, they may not have known this, and
indeed, the gnostics started
to see this good serpent more associated with
the northern part of the sky than they
did the area of galactic center, where they
saw another serpent, which they called the bad

(48:31):
serpent. There was the good serpent and the
bad serpent. So it's clear that these were
old ideas that they wanted to get away
from and wanted to reinvent
the cosmic snake as as to do with
the pole star and the stars of Draco,
which were itself a serpent. But
if you look deeply into those gnostic beliefs,
they too had this idea of this serpent,

(48:52):
this snake influence
connected with the aeroblastic center.
I love it. You definitely
know how to talk about this stuff. And
I wanna ask you a little more about
plasmas themselves because this is just so key
because we spend a lot of time talking
about paranormal
activity and aliens and all sorts of stuff.

(49:12):
And plasma might be
the
central thing, the composition
of what these things are made up of.
You could look at occult literature and grimoires
and people drawing pentagrams on the ground and
summoning something,
and it's a beam of light, and it's
repeatable, and it's probably
some form of plasma. And then, you know,

(49:34):
even the abduction phenomenon, UFOs,
like, it might be everything. It might even
be
the source of our
thoughts about God, which this kind of relates
here. So I did read the books you
wrote with Greg Little, and in Origins of
the Gods, you do write about the Ark
of the Covenant and the idea that this
whole
God thing they called Yahweh

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might have just been one of these plasmas
they had sustained contact with, probably, you know,
with the arc's help making it more repeatable.
And you use the term end state beings,
and there's a lot of science behind what
these things could be and their qualities.
It's a super provocative
set of ideas, but help people understand this

(50:17):
a little bit better. I mean, what to
say plasmas doesn't really tell us a whole
lot. Where do these plasmas come from? How
do they emerge? What are their qualities and
compositions as far as you're concerned?
Plasma
is something that probably fills
90%
of the whole universe. It's not atomic matter.

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So it's obviously very, very important,
but we have to go back to the
big bang again.
We mentioned it earlier
because when our universe came into existence,
it
created
not atomic matter to start with, but for
the first
380000 years,

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it created
what's known as
gluon plasma,
and this filled the universe itself. There was
nothing else, just plasma.
But then very gradually,
this plasma started slowing down
and transforming
into what we know as atomic matter.

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And that atomic matter is what we call
atoms. Everything that we have around us and
within us
is made of atoms,
and this creates physical matter.
A physical matter
is one of the 3
states of matter that we know and love.
The other 2, obviously, being liquids,

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which is more fluent version of matter.
And beyond that, of course, is gas,
which is, you know, the air around us
or any gas that comes out of our
gas cookers or whatever.
Those are the 3 states of matter, but
what's known as the full state of matter
is plasma.
And plasma,
if you wanna put it in simple terms,

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it's splitting atoms up
into 2 parts,
into what's known as, positive and negative ions.
The positive ions are the nucleus
of the atom
with some of the electrons still flying around
it,
and the negative ions are the
electrons that have become free and are now

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flying around in an excited state.
And as they do this, they create their
own magnetic fields around themselves.
And because they are doing it in bulk
together,
this will create almost like a ball of
light, if you like.
And
the reason why the light is there, by

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the way, is because this excitation
causes the electrons
to release
tiny
photons
of light. So that's why you see this.
So plasmas can take the form of balls,
but
most people, when they think of plasma balls,
they think of, let's say, you know, thunderstorms,
ball lightning.

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Balls that just come in appearance, shoot about,
cause some damage, and disappear.
But plasmas or plasmoids, which is the correct
term for the ball like versions of it,
can linger much longer, not only in the
laboratory
when they are created,
but also
outside in the landscape because the landscape

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creates its own
plasmoids,
its own plasma constructs,
and this it does
through geology.
Most particular,
the presence
of certain types of minerals, such as quartz
and tourmaline
that can be pressurized
into releasing
their electrons, which are used to create what's

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known as ionospheric
environments.
And these are like tinderboxes
for the creation
of plasma.
And the other big factor
is fault lines.
The stresses and strains that have fractured the
earth
either because of the movement of tectonic plates

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or the movement
of different rock strata,
yeah, often due to things like ice ages
and stuff like this. This will fracture
the underlying bedrock.
And once again, this puts huge strains on
the earth, and this creates these
ionospheric environments,

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and
they create plasma
objects.
In other words, you will see them more
likely where there is very specific types of
geology.
Certain minerals,
metals, for instance, that can convey those
electrons more easily
through the ground,
and they break the surface,

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and suddenly they will appear in the air.
And there's no question
that many
UFO or UAP sightings
can be explained
as plasmas
or plasmoids,
or plasma orbs is one of the terms
that's used today.
But they're not just floating balls of light.
They can show intelligence.
They unquestionably

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seem to be intelligent in nature.
There are a number of papers just come
out in the last year that tell us
that plasma
can be intelligent.
And what this means is that the plasma
itself isn't intelligent. I mean, plasma is just
plasma, but what can happen
is that intelligences
existing

(55:32):
on a deeper level of existence
outside of normal space time
can occupy the space that's created by plasma.
I mean, the way I always describe it
is a glove. You know, one of my
fingerless gloves here. I mean, this glove is
nothing. Is it? It's a piece of cloth.
It's dead. It's not alive. Right? But if
I put my hand inside it

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like this,
it animates it. The glove's not alive, but
my hand is animating it so that the
plasma
becomes animated.
And that
you have intelligences
occupying
these objects.
And these objects
can become quite solid

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and even form into structured craft. How can
they do that? Because the plasma acts as
portals
into higher dimensional
environments,
and
they can become wormholes.
In other words, 2 mouths
in different positions that are entangled together on
a quantum level
that can allow matter

(56:37):
to enter 1 and exit in the other.
In other words, quite possibly, extraterrestrial
objects
could use plasma to manifest
into our physical reality.
It's possible
that we are talking about objects and intelligences
that exist on a higher dimensional
frequency usually that are able to use plasma

(56:59):
to enter our world and become what we
call plasma beings or light beings.
But, also, there's a chance that at least
some of these objects and the entities that
come from them are coming in from parallel
worlds.
Parallel worlds that coexist with us. How do
they coexist with us? Because of the brains
that I told you about before, the b

(57:20):
r a n e s, that are created
within the 11 dimensional bulk.
Because according to the main
theory of the bulk and the creation of
the physical universe,
other universes can be created at the same
time,
and they may not have the same
laws of physics as our own.

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And that these different universes
can exist independently,
but they
can interact
and overlay each other. And when this happens,
there can be bleed throughs from one to
the other.
So if you're interacting
with a brain or a universe that's not
quite the same as us or has

(58:02):
different laws of physics, it has different animals,
different creatures, different intelligences,
different environments, then they can start bleeding through
into our own. Probably only on a temporary
basis because the chances are that these
other universes
come apart from our own eventually, maybe after
a few minutes, a few hours, a few

(58:22):
days, a few weeks, so that whatever has
manifested into our world suddenly vanishes as if
it was never there in the first place.
But,
you know, this is what we call
bubble universes. These bubble universes, these other universes
can come into existence
even overlaying our own, and they don't have
to be the same size as our own

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universe. They can be that big.
You know, they can exist for
3 seconds or whatever. You know? In other
words, they can open and close
at will, sometimes overlaying with our own, sometime
existing separately to our own, but occasionally
interacting with our own. And this is the
physics that we're dealing with now.

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And, again, this is not some new age
concept that I'm creating in my head.
This is what cutting edge science tells us
is now possible
through our knowledge of mathematics, of geometry,
of astronomy,
astrophysics,
and physics as a whole.
That's a great breakdown, and the glove analogy

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is a good one because when the hand
is in the glove, you can then manipulate
the shape of it, you know, pretty effortlessly.
And so they are manipulating the shape of
the plasma to sometimes appear as other things.
But the description of how the plasmas come
to be
sounds very
random. It's like lighting. It's like a flash

(59:49):
in the pan almost is what it kinda
sounds like. So it's from the perspective
of
the being that's inhabiting the plasma,
how does it know this is going to
occur? How does it get into the plasma?
What are these intelligences doing when there's not
a plasma present?
Because in some instances,
these are

(01:00:10):
repeated
communications
with the same entity.
So what is it about reading a grimoire
and drawing a pentagram
and facing a different direction? Because directionality is
very key in a lot of those magical
rituals and the timing, the astrological
celestial timing is important,
that it gets the same plasma to show

(01:00:31):
up or at least one that can pretend
to be the same and respond to the
same name. Because people have ongoing communications, even
aliens. People have ongoing visitations,
and
the ones that come seem to be aware
of the previous interactions
as well.
So that's kinda where it's weird to me
because the description, the scientific description makes sense,

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but it also seems so random and so
chaotic and so quick, like a flash in
the pan, as opposed to some of these
other
stories I hear of sustained communication over long
periods of time.
Yeah. Well, I mean, the idea that plasma
can be occupied by
intelligences
existing

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quite literally
outside of normal space time
was
really first proposed in the 19 sixties by
a plasma physicist by the name of David
Bohm.
He wrote extensively
on this subject, and many of my ideas
unquestionably
began with his.

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And he talked in terms of what he
referred to as proto intelligences.
Now that doesn't mean that they are substandard
or anything like that, but they are intelligences
that are not of a material nature
that coexist with us in what we would
perceive as an invisible
state, probably involving

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a higher dimensional
quality about them
that we just cannot connect with properly. I
mean and I think that Carl Sagan
adequately
described this back in the sixties and early
seventies when he talked about
us being three-dimensional
beings. But if you can imagine

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two dimensional beings, flat beings that can only
go forwards or sideways
on a flat plan world, basically, that almost
looks like a piece of paper.
If those entities
are there and then suddenly,
a three-dimensional
object, let's say, like a ball,
passes through their
2 dimensional

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existence, what are they gonna see? All they're
gonna see is suddenly a hole or opening
up,
and this black flap thing gradually getting bigger
and bigger
until it reaches its maximum width. And then
suddenly,
it getting smaller and smaller again as it
passes through their 2 dimensional flat plan world.

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So how are they gonna interpret it?
In other words, they're not gonna see it
as a ball. They are never ever gonna
see it as a ball because they are
2 dimensional
in nature,
and it's the same with us. If we
are dealing with
beings' intelligences
that normally occupy, let's say, 4, maybe 5
dimensions, perhaps even 11 dimensions,

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how are we going to perceive them? We're
not. We might see flashes of light. We
might see plasmas,
but we won't fully understand what's right in
front of our own eyes because we are
three-dimensional
creatures.
The only way that we could possibly start
understanding them is up here in our brain
and within our consciousness

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and within dreams
and within visions.
Man.
Wow. Well, sometimes even 2 hours isn't enough
time. I always am thinking this. I had
to discard quite a few things. I mean,
just amazing material. We didn't even talk about
Collins Cave. I know that in the past,
you have done

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some kind of
experiments with Oregon or been involved in a
group for Oregon, and, that itself is fascinating.
But, hey, you got more books coming out.
Maybe we can do this again sometime.
But I thank Hugh Newman for vouching for
me and getting a full 2 hour show
on the books. I know it's a big
ask.
I also know you have a lot of
events coming on this year. I think a

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Turkey trip in May and then again in
September, esoteric England in August, Peru in November.
Before I really let you go, the reason
we do the dance, let people know not
only where they can get the book, I
mean, where can't they get a book, but,
you know, just the things you're working on,
the things you have available,
your website is your first and last name
.com, but these trips are also a big

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thing you're doing.
Yeah. I mean, this is something that I
do, as you mentioned, with my good friend
and colleague, Hugh Newman, and obviously his partner,
JJ Ainsworth.
You know, we are
the top of our game relating to these
Taj Teppala sites at the moment, you know,
Karah and Tepai and Gobekli Teppai. And if
you want to go out to these sites,

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you have no better company than us. I
promise you.
Because, you know, we've been on top of
this for years. I mean, I've been on
top of it for the last 2 decades,
basically.
Obviously, I've done various books on the subject.
Gobekli Tepe, Genesis of the Gods, came out
in 2014.
Karahentepi,
Civilization of the Anunnaki
and

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the Cosmic Origins of the Serpent of Eden.
Yeah. That's the one,
which is the latest book, which obviously
fully updates everything and covers this site of
Karahantepe and everything we've been talking about today.
But, you know, you've got other books as
well. You got from the ashes of angels,
which came out in 1996
that really
set the pace for it all, and it

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was actually being written
at the same time
that the first spades were going into the
ground at Quebec, Tepe. I didn't have no
knowledge of it, and, yeah, I pinpointed
that area as the cradle of civilization
and said, this is where you will find
evidence of a shamanic elite that kick started
civilization.
And that's exactly where they found Quebec, Tepay.

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Plus you got my books on the UFOs,
UAP, plasma intelligences,
light quest, origins of the gods,
and we haven't even talked about the Denisovans.
If you wanna
go all the way back
to the origins of where all of this
megalithic science comes from, they're the people, the
Denisovans out of Siberia

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and China
and Tibetan plateau and all the rest of
it. That's where you're gonna find them.
Andrewcollins.com
is my website.
You can obviously get these books from all
good online
stores. We're always told to plug Amazon and
Barnes and Noble.
Got Barnes and Noble get upset if you
only ever mentioned Amazon, apparently.

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So I have to say that. And, yeah,
we do these tours. We're going to Turkey
in May and again in September.
We're going to Peru, Bolivia, and Easter Island
in November. That's gonna be an epic
journey,
which I'm probably gonna be away from my
home probably about a month.
That's me personally. Other people don't have to

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spend all that time there, but, you know,
you can join any part of it.
Yeah. All the details are there. And if
you like what you heard,
you can communicate with me either through the
email address on the website
or find me on social media. I mean,
all the links to my social media and
YouTube
are on

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the opening page of the website. So
hope to see you out and about,
either at the tours or one of these
conferences,
I do as well.
Amazing.
Well, I really love talking to you. We
covered a lot of ground. I've loved several
of your books, and it seems like the
ones I like most, I haven't even got
to yet. But

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I really like that these tours are going
on.
I have heard you also talk about the
fact that the World Economic Forum is doing
some things that Gobekli Tepe trying to
pour concrete there and plant trees and trying
to keep things suppressed, and that's a whole
another ball of wax. But, you know, go
while you can, people. You know, take a

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trip while you can.
Geopolitical tensions are high, trips might be hard
to take in a couple of years, go
now. I mean, I'm tempted to find a
babysitter for the kids and get on one
of these. If you ever do one to
Guarana and the French Pyrenees and the Grail
sites, I'll definitely have to loop in some
babysitter for the kids and get out on
one of those. But I can't imagine better
guides than you and Hugh, so I hope

(01:08:32):
some people take you up on that. But
thanks for taking the time to talk to
me today, and take care.
My pleasure, Greg. Thank you.
Oh, sweet baby Jesus. That is what I'm
talking about. One of the best in the
game, a name that was definitely on my
dream guest list,
crossed off. It was definitely good for me,

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and it's all thanks to Hugh who told
Andrew that in the vast sea of podcasts
trying to get an interview, THC
is one that is worth taking the time
to do.
Sometimes, a personal recommendation
is the difference.
Hint hint, audience. Let's flex that muscle a
bit more.
But right up my alley.

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Exactly the kinds of topics I've been interested
in recently. A surprise to no one listening,
I'm sure.
And another reason why 2 hours is so
clutch. His latest book is about Karahan Tepe.
And, of course, we're gonna talk about it
and his latest discoveries and conclusions.
But with such a huge back catalog of

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work that resonates with us right now, a
second hour is when we can really get
further into that.
Examples being UFO cases
and just
the decades of contact with plasma beans and
Skinwalker Ranch and Guirana and the Grail Quest
and the French Pyrenees.
We got into binding plasma beans for power

(01:09:58):
if that is something that happens, and Stonehenge,
and dodecahedrons,
and dream space, and
a lot of fun stuff.
He's a very versatile guy, but yet so
many roads do lead to the same places
because I do think it's all connected.
Anyway, get plus for $8 a month, 5
shows a month, 750

(01:10:20):
plus shows in the archive, all ad free
and well edited and available
to you,
as you know. But the stars really align
here in several ways.
And, you know, every time I have an
interview that covers this sort of material, I
mention that 2 week trip in Armenia I
took on the Graham Hancock tour.
Also, remember that 3 part video is available

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on YouTube for free on my channel.
I chaptered it out by site. I think
there's, like, 5 sites in each one.
But it is a great breakdown of the
interesting things that I saw on that trip
that never really get talked about, including a
buried step pyramid, etcetera, etcetera.
But I only bring that up to say

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I have been on one of these kinds
of research trips. It was one of the
first things I did with my newfound freedom
from the day job.
But if I could do it again, Andrew
Collins and Hugh Newman would be my picks
as the tour guides I would want.
You can actually notice in the Armenia videos
that our actual Armenian guides were way more

(01:11:26):
out there and willing to talk about strange
things, like where giant bones were buried and
legends and a lot of great stuff
that Graham sort of brushed off. Wasn't interested
in that.
So I just think Andrew and Hugh are
way more
my speed.
But I am reminded that we went to
this one monastery

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out on a cliffside. We had to take
an air tram kind of thing. I think
they said one of the longest of its
kind on Earth.
And we got up to this Tadev
Monastery. And these are some hardcore,
almost esoteric,
isolated,
black robed Christians.
But they have this stone monument, a huge

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pillar. I believe it was, like,
15 feet high, I would guess.
And the pillar was said to move. And
our tour guide tried to get us a
demonstration, and they shot that down.
But I was reminded of that because there
is apparently this moving pillar in the Carahindepe
complex.
I don't know if we even talked about

(01:12:30):
that, but it's in the book a good
amount, and it gets mentioned in Karahhentepay
conversation.
So maybe a lot of you are familiar.
But this TATEV Monastery
had something like that, and it's said to
detect earthquakes
and
be able to be swayed just with consciousness
alone.

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You know how it goes. Rumors and speculation.
But this is a little bit from the
Wikipedia page.
The pendulous column or swinging column is a
monument dedicated to the holy trinity. It's located
in the south of the cathedral. It compromises
a column about 8 meters tall,
crowned with a cracklar
type cross.

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The column has been dated to the 10th
century. The cross is no earlier than the
18th century, but its form may be based
on an earlier example built in the year
906.
This unique structure stands at a total height
of 9 meters.
Doing the conversion 9 meters is, like, 30
feet,

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and they call it Gavazan. And they say
what sets Gavazan apart is its remarkable ability
to sway or swing without collapsing, making it
the only structure in the
complex to have survived the test of time,
remaining intact
despite centuries
of existence.
So if they're saying it's the only structure

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in the complex to have survived the test
of time,
I wonder if the pillar was here a
lot longer and the monastery was just built
around it. But check that out. It's a
fun rabbit hole to get into what that
pillar is about.
Or you can just watch my part of
that video,
Tatev Monastery.
I don't know. Just maybe another example of

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an ancient stone pillar with kind of weird
qualities
that
I actually saw.
Anyway, I do think we covered a ton
of ground, and it was just great to
get his thoughts on a number of subjects.
Hopefully, the response is strong, so he won't
be able to pass up a chance to
return. That's the way it goes. Help me

(01:14:34):
help you. Because I think there's a lot
more material there I'd love to get into.
But in higher side news, really just stay
in the course. As I've been saying, I've
added the new closing songs to the individual
show pages. You don't have to be a
plus member. Just download the MP 3 from
the episode show notes if you want. Today's
is pretty fun.

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And as we do, we take a look
at the last episode rating.
This episode, in particular, was largely Reddit focused
with Magnaura 7.
I had no idea where we would be.
Was not sure how much overlap there was
between THC and Reddit users, but
it hit a bit better than I thought.

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4.7.
Clearly, a great majority of plus people found
it interesting.
So glad that's the case because it was
a bit of an unknown.
Glad we all had a good time. And
as for the meetup calendar,
we got February 1st, coming in hot, Conway
Pub in Conway, Washington. February 3rd, Galbraith's Ale

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House in Auckland, New Zealand. February 7th, Bunk
Bar in Portland, Oregon. I think that's a
new one.
February 8th, McCall Collective Tap House in Brarensville,
Pennsylvania.
And also February 8th, Carrollton, Texas, 3 Nations
Brewery. Pretty sure that's new.
February 10th, Santa Fe, New Mexico, Roots and

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Leaves, and February 15th,
h two Booster
in Vlissingen,
Netherlands.
Very awesome to see a pretty full calendar
of events all over the place, just THC
listeners getting together.
If you can form a network or any
kind of friendships or bonds based on that
common ground,

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That's pretty impressive,
and I love that people are out there
trying.
Go over to higher side meetups.com
to get more details on any event, RSVP,
or make your own. But that's the show.
Really fun and out there stuff we got
into today. Not a lot of people I
could have that conversation with.
When people ask me about my religious views,

(01:16:41):
I'll just share this episode with them because
close enough. Right?
With that said, do take care. Thanks again
to Andrew for his time and to you
for listening.
I'll see you on the next one. I've
done my part.
Your move, religion starting spirits, ritually revealed plasma
beans, and the great snake genius in the

(01:17:01):
sky.
You're

(01:17:27):
And it's happened
to the stars align.
You'll try to call.

(01:17:57):
Up the stones
and just following the plan.
According to a ritual we could barely understand,
we were so curious
we just couldn't put it down.
When the steps were all complete, we gathered
around
and it said,
the stars align,

(01:18:17):
we'll try to call.
College if

(01:18:37):
you can receive it.
Bang
the drum and take the brew just like
we've instructed you, and this strange conscious
connection will
ensue.

(01:19:09):
When the stars align,
we'll try to
call. Come to
the shrine, open the portal.
We'll give you knowledge,
take it or leave it.

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From the cosmic college, if you can receive
it.