April 10, 2025 • 31 mins
NFL Network Analyst and Jaguars Legend Bucky Brooks is back with J.P. and John to dive into the first day of the offseason program. The crew recaps takeaways from a press conference, including Head Coach Liam Coen, Linebacker Foye Oluokun and Quarterback Trevor Lawrence. They discuss the importance of this moment being an opportunity for the new football leadership to establish a culture on Day 1. All this and more on Huddle Up, presented by Fields Auto Group.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
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Speaker 2 (00:15):
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Speaker 1 (00:16):
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Speaker 3 (00:19):
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Speaker 3 (00:37):
It's buzzing. The off season program is here.
Speaker 4 (00:40):
Bucky Brooks joins us from Los Angeles, and it's finally here.
Speaker 3 (00:45):
Bucky.
Speaker 4 (00:45):
Players are back in the building. Culture is being established.
Football things are beginning to happen. Good afternoon, man.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
I love the energy.
Speaker 5 (00:54):
I feel like you guys are completely bought in. There's
a lot of energy. I feel like the effort is
gonna be great. Got great attitude, dude, and that is
one of the pillars being able to establish a positive
and championship culture.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
So I'm glad that you guys are all in.
Speaker 3 (01:09):
It starts with John. It starts here John.
Speaker 6 (01:11):
Yeah, and kidding aside. There is a there's a buzz
to it, there's an energy. When I asked Liam Cohen
last week at the owners meeting what he wanted players
to feel, it was exactly that that the energy was there.
I think what they're not saying there's also an underpinning
of hey, this is different. You know, we're not gonna
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hit you over the head with it. But what what
was before was not good enough. I don't think it
has to be said, and I think it's hey, you know,
buckle up, we're going so all those things. I think
I think Liam Cohen would be the first one to
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tell you all this stuff. All the talk is great,
it had to be done. But I really liked what
he said at the owner's meetings last week when he said, look,
I asked Hm about the offensive line, right, and he's
he sort of stopped himself and said, I gotta see it.
You know, Yes, I think it's tougher, Yes, all that,
but what matters is what's gonna happen on the grass.
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And uh, you know, I do like that. That's his
sort of core where he knows he has to talk
right now, but he wants to go play and he
knows none of that. It matters until you're out there
on the field.
Speaker 3 (02:32):
It's all about the ball. It's all about the balls.
Speaker 6 (02:36):
A lot of grass right here.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
I mean a lot of grass. I like that.
Speaker 5 (02:40):
I like that the game has certainly played between the lines,
and all that talking and stuff is really meaningless until
you get on the field and you begin to see
the results. I think even I have had the temper
expectations coming off of the last two coaches and some
of the stuff like being really excited, and so now
you kind of want to see what it looks like.
Because everyone talks about doing it differently. Everyone talks about
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how this is the reason why we're going to have
a lot of success. I can't wait to see how
we practice, how we put it together, how we stack it,
but more importantly, how do we perform? And the Lisa
on because we can do all of these things and
we can talk about it, but until we're truly about it,
when it matters, it means nothing.
Speaker 4 (03:19):
Let's hear from Liam Cohen some of the highlights today.
Also Trevor Lawrence and Foyer. Lucan spoke with the media,
we'll start with the Jags head coach and what to
expect the next couple weeks. In phase one of this
offseason program.
Speaker 7 (03:31):
Right now, we're trying to establish really two things are
the fundamentals and techniques of the schemes right we're not
truly diving into this.
Speaker 2 (03:39):
Scheme at the moment.
Speaker 7 (03:40):
Fundamentals and technique, and then as well our culture, the
way that we're going to play the game, our style
of play. Those are the two things that would like
to be able to get out of this, especially in
phase one where you're not on the grass with the players.
We're really installing our basic core fundamentals and principles and techniques,
and then also culture, our style of play, and our
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commitments as well.
Speaker 4 (04:03):
One of those core fundamentals is mental and physical toughness.
What does that mean for the Jaguars in twenty five
and beyond.
Speaker 7 (04:10):
I know that this is not a physical time, it
can't be and it isn't. But the establishing of the mindset,
the way that we're going to do things, the way
that we want the meetings, like coach Camp brought up today,
our meetings should be tough. We're learning new information. It's
all very new for everybody. That's hard. It's hard to
do for a coach, for a player, it's hard to learn.
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So when you do hard things and you come out
on the other end, usually you say, well I got
tougher from that. So we do believe that we can
start to establish that. You know, that was similar in
Tampa last year. When we got to the off season
program and got into it, you could start to see
the toughness come out, and the way that we broke
the huddle, the way that we communicated, the way that
we actually ran off the ball. You could see some
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of that stuff come to life.
Speaker 4 (04:58):
There's a couple from Liam coleen press conference at Jaguars
dot com Jaguars YouTube as well, and you know that's
we talked about this before, but now we're starting to
see it today. We heard from a Lucan and Trevor
Lawrence today about their initial impressions. And I mean today
and yesterday in the first few days of this are
huge to gain that trust to the team as a
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coach and a coaching staff, Bucky, And you got to
set the tone right away.
Speaker 2 (05:25):
Yeah, And you get to set the tone right away.
Speaker 5 (05:27):
You want to establish that, you want to make sure
everyone understands the expectations and standards. You want to make
sure that's clearly communicated. You want to be very direct
with that communication. And then you have to hold players
accountable to meeting those standards every day. I love what
Liam Cohen was talking about in terms of how they
have to get it done.
Speaker 2 (05:46):
Now, some of it sounds kind of like hokey when it.
Speaker 5 (05:48):
Comes to like our meetings have to be tough, whatever,
but it is an expectation that hard things are hard,
and the only way that you're going to get to
the other side of some of the obstacles that lie
in is you got to go through it, and you
got to begin to prepare yourself mentally to know that
as adversity is going to come and we got.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
To be able to deal with it.
Speaker 5 (06:06):
So I love all of that, and then my reaction
to hearing like the players talk about it will be
a look, we've had similar things, but can you really
buy in? Can you give of yourself to the team
to really buy into whatevery to all the things that
are being uttered and say no, no, no, I believe in this.
I'm going to believe in this, and I'm gonna do
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everything in my power to make all of these things
come to fruition. So it'd be interesting to see how
this stuff plays out over the off season. But one point,
the wouldn't getting training came in the regular season.
Speaker 6 (06:35):
Yeah, we're on the second day of phase one. We're
not even the Buckie's favorite part of the year, which
is Ota.
Speaker 3 (06:42):
That's coming soon, so coming, you know.
Speaker 6 (06:46):
I love that they talked with energy. The players said,
this is clearly a young staff. Foyer said, you know,
you can embrace that. I certainly it's better that they
talked with energy than them being asleep at the wheel.
You know, you know, you know, you know what I'm
walking in here like we're already bored seeing you Densky
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taking a nap, you know. So that everything feels right,
everything feels as it should, And we're gonna it sound
like a broken record if we keep saying we know
no it we know none of it matters, because we're
talking to a fan base that's heard this kind of
thing before. And JP, you know Bucky, you've been around
him a little bit at the combine. All I can
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tell you is it it feels right. It feels like
it has a spine to go with all of the
bells and whistles. I'm optimistic about it working for the
long term. I get that if you're not buying it,
if you've heard it before, but something about it feels
real to me, and we'll see how it.
Speaker 3 (07:50):
Goes, you know. And I kind of go back real quick,
Bucky though.
Speaker 4 (07:53):
The last year we heard in the aftermath of all
this that there was rumblings pretty quick after the initial
meetings in the off season that oh, this is this
doesn't feel great in certain areas of the building.
Speaker 6 (08:05):
Yeah, well certain areas, yeah, so.
Speaker 3 (08:09):
Important.
Speaker 6 (08:10):
Yeah, and you don't feel that now, so well see god, yeah, no.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
We'll see.
Speaker 5 (08:19):
And here's what I say, Liam coyn and everyone associated
with the coaching staff and even the front office, they have.
Speaker 2 (08:27):
To believe what they're preaching.
Speaker 5 (08:28):
That's really really important because what happens, and I'll just
go based off of last year. Last year we talked
about the tough camp, the toughness, the tough that. Then
we got into the regular season and the first hiccup
everything kind of fell apart. And so it's really important
that if you are talking about being tough minded, you
want the team to be tough minded. Whatever as the leader,
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you also have to embody those qualities. I love the
coaching staff that we have in plays like some of
those coaches are really good coaches know them personally, and so.
Speaker 3 (08:59):
I love that.
Speaker 5 (09:00):
I love what I'm hearing in terms of the type
of team stylistically that we want to be, in terms
of tough and physical and discipline.
Speaker 2 (09:06):
And details and all of that.
Speaker 5 (09:08):
Now, it's about making sure that your behaviors match the
words that are being said, that all the actions match
the words, and that when we get to those tough moments, we.
Speaker 2 (09:19):
Don't waiver, we don't buckle in those things.
Speaker 5 (09:22):
And so this off season program is about preparing the
guys mentally and physically for the storms that are about
to happen, so they can push past those storms and
become the best versions of themselves as we.
Speaker 2 (09:32):
Get into the late stages of the season.
Speaker 4 (09:34):
Let's put a bow on this part of the conversation
with Foyer looking on the first impression on the defensive
side today.
Speaker 8 (09:41):
Yeah, new energy to the team. Obviously a little bit younger,
but I feel like this resonates a little bit better
in the room and everything right now. But just you know,
the passion that they speak with. Every time they're speaking,
definitely rubs off on us the right way, and just
take that into all of our workouts. Take that in,
you know, when we get on the field together, a
lot of guys all willing to improve and get better
together the team.
Speaker 4 (10:01):
The same idea in the strength and conditioning realm as well.
All that's new with a new baseline and everything getting started.
Only those guys can be on the practice field with
players in the first couple of weeks in Phase number one,
the biggest part of today outside of Liam Cohen establishing
the culture and everything well, Trevor Lawrence spoke with the
media as well and a few nuggets came out of that.
(10:22):
He'll be on a little bit of a pitch count
in the off season, but also some changes to footwork
and Trevor Lawrence explaining what that means.
Speaker 9 (10:31):
There's some things that you know, there's some things I've
known about my footwork over the years of playing that
I felt like have been a little bit of a weakness.
So there's some things that we've talked about of just
what are those things, what are we identifying as things
to work on. And then the system is built around
timing and tying your feet to your progression and playing
on time, and so it allows you to get backside,
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allows you to get to checkdowns or whatever it may be,
and you can feel comfortable playing on time. And more
than any system I've ever learned, it's structured and based
on that, and it's so everything's tied exactly to how
this route is on this timing, So then your next
progression is off of this footwork, off this timing, so
it all ties in perfect. You don't have multiple routes
clearing at the same time, which is hard as a
quarterback because then you're sitting back there and you got
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to make a decision before really the guy's open or covered,
you know. So I think they've done a really good
job with the system of really thinking through how does
it tie into a quarterbacks feet And that's what we've
been talking about. And it takes some work and you know,
flipping my stands, just some little things like that that
are small that many people wouldn't notice, but it is.
I have so many banked reps of the other way.
I got to just get all these on my own
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and work them so once camp comes around, I'm ready
to go.
Speaker 4 (11:38):
Interesting thoughts from the quarterback Trevor Lawrence again all the
availabilities today at Jaguars dot Com and Jags YouTube.
Speaker 6 (11:44):
John, Yeah, I thought that was a very interesting SoundBite
and something Trevor said later in his availability. I'm not
sure he was thinking about it in this way, but
he said, it's it's hard, you know. I mean, it's
gonna be a hard scheme to learn. But Bucky, I
think what I liked about what Trevor just said is
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it certainly sounded like he believed in the scheme. He
believed in what he's seeing enough that during the hard process.
I think any new scheme is going to be, you know,
a task for a quarterback to learn, varying levels of
how difficult it is. But it certainly sounds like he
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sees things in this scheme that when he's learning it
and going through it, he believes in it enough to
get through to the other end. If that makes sense.
Speaker 5 (12:39):
Yeah, My takeaway was very similar to what you had
like in terms of him believing in it. My interpretation
of what Trevor said was he believes in the organization
and the structure of the offense that is sensible to him,
that the footwork matches the depth of the route, and
so for everyone to understand this is send three steps
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and go and three steps in a hitch and all.
Speaker 2 (13:04):
Of those things.
Speaker 5 (13:04):
Because for the quarterback, if he trusts his feet he
gets to the back foot, the ball has to come
out on time. But for that to really work, the
receivers have to be running routes where they're breaking open
at the same time.
Speaker 2 (13:18):
And it's one of these things where it looks like
a look.
Speaker 5 (13:21):
It's all organized and choreographed, and so everyone has to
be on the same page. And when he talks about
like previously guys kind of getting open at the same level, well,
that's really hard for the quarterback to kind of figure out, like, well,
well who do I go to? Who should Who do
I think is going to come over? So there's more guesswork,
and it appears without seeing it.
Speaker 2 (13:42):
It appears that.
Speaker 5 (13:43):
Things clearly defined, and that makes life easier on the quarterback.
So I can't say that the system is quarterback friendly,
but I will say I've seen Baker Mayfield, and I've
also because office, according to it comes from Minnesota, I've
seen Sam Donald have a lot of success in this system.
And I also think about the rams and how Jarrett
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Golf looked one way for a long time.
Speaker 2 (14:05):
Sean McVay and that staff come in, he.
Speaker 5 (14:07):
Becomes a Pro Bowl player and takes a team to
a super Bowl in that system. So I'm a believer
that there's something that they understand about tying it together
with the quarterback's feet to allow him to have a
lot of success.
Speaker 6 (14:21):
Yeah, and this sort of ties into it too. Liam
Cohen and his availability to day talked a lot about
playing with an unclouded mind I think was the word
that he used, or a clearly yeah. And so it
certainly will find out how it all looks. But I
think in those sound bites we certainly heard the beginnings
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of the theme of what they're talking about and what
Trevor Lawrence is going to be the storyline as we
go forward into this season, because to me, if he
takes huge steps, the fundamentals around him or the core
around him is capable of taking steps with him without
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him taking steps, I don't know that this roster is
going to be enough to lift you to a twelve
and five season. If he takes huge steps, anything can happen.
He's the storyline, and I you know, I think we've
seen the basis of our discussion points.
Speaker 3 (15:23):
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Speaker 4 (15:28):
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Speaker 6 (15:51):
I probably will not, but I'll text him.
Speaker 3 (15:53):
Oh yeah, that'll go well.
Speaker 2 (15:55):
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Speaker 4 (15:56):
Tuddle up with Bucky Brooks, J P. Shadwick of John
Hosier and Jackson Bill with the Miller Electric Center. Bucky
Brooks with us out in Los Angeles. Other Jaguars news
Trayvon Walker receiving the fifth year option, and then Liam
Cohen asked today about Devin Lloyd also in that draft class,
and no word on that yet. I got to kind
and see him in the building first, be around him
a little bit more.
Speaker 3 (16:16):
That was what the head coach said today.
Speaker 4 (16:18):
But really around here at least, no surprise on the
Trayvon Walker news with the production he's had the last
two years, especially John.
Speaker 6 (16:27):
Yeah, not a surprise to me. And I think the
X factor becomes how soon and when do you approach
him about long term contract? To me, I mean people
who listen know I love Trayvon. I love what he's about.
I love what he brings. I think he's a guy
that you want in your building and on your team
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for all the ways that he approaches it and for
what he does on the field. And my sense, Bucky,
I'm not surprised that they haven't done a deal yet,
because when a new regime comes in and you're committing
the sort of money that it will take, you know,
there's anything wrong with saying, hey, we love what we've
seen on film, we love what you're about. Baselli tells
us all this stuff. Let's see it, let's make sure
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the marriage works, let's live together first. Yeah. But I
have no doubt or very little doubt that once you're
around this kid, Bucky, he's the kind of guy you
want to be around.
Speaker 2 (17:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (17:23):
Absolutely, Man, you want to be around him. You love
what he's about. He's about the right stuff. And as
we think about championship teams having a core nucleus of
players that are built the right way, that fit the culture,
that fit how you want this team to ultimately perform
on and off the field.
Speaker 2 (17:42):
Man, how can you not like him? And we have
seen that is better to be on the.
Speaker 5 (17:46):
Front end, front end of these things as opposed to
the back end, because the.
Speaker 2 (17:51):
Raid only goes up, it never comes down. So you
feel great about him.
Speaker 5 (17:54):
You feel good about how he handles himself, how he's
connected with the team, and importantly, how he plays on
the grass since we're using grass analogies.
Speaker 2 (18:05):
Look, man, you make it happen.
Speaker 3 (18:08):
All right. Now, we're about two weeks away from the
NFL draft.
Speaker 6 (18:12):
Ot as, no, no, yeah, we got waste for yet
a little while before.
Speaker 2 (18:17):
We've got a mini camp coming. We've got a mini camp.
Speaker 6 (18:18):
Christ come out.
Speaker 4 (18:20):
There is a voluntary veteran mini camp after the first
two weeks of the off season program.
Speaker 3 (18:25):
Yeah, right before the draft, right right, three days before
the draft.
Speaker 2 (18:28):
That's right, Yeah, great opportunity.
Speaker 3 (18:30):
Do you have a boy?
Speaker 6 (18:31):
So there's that more mini camps, which is just what
you want, John Well, I think it's what everybody wants.
Speaker 9 (18:38):
JP.
Speaker 3 (18:38):
I mean, who doesn't I think something to look at.
Speaker 4 (18:43):
All? Right? So then the draft, Bucky, I mean, what's
uh what's the latest scuttle this week on in draft
circles in the top five.
Speaker 3 (18:52):
I know it changes daily.
Speaker 2 (18:53):
It feels like I can't say it necessarily changes daily.
Speaker 5 (18:58):
But I think the limma that we're going to have
as we look at the top five is how many
guys are really worthy of being top five picks, meaning
who are the true elite prospects in the draft. And
people are talking about the quarterbacks, cam Ward, they're talking
about Suedar Sanders. But then if you took a consensus,
how many high level scouts really believe that those guys
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are elite players? I would say that when I talk
to people, they're about five or six guys that they
say are slam dunk elite players, meaning they're the best
of the best, regardless of it. So it's always Travis
Hunter's in the conversation, after Carter's in the conversation, Ashton
Genty is in the conversation, Jayden Walker is always in
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the conversation, and then Tyler Warren is in the conversation.
When people talk about elite, regardless of year, regardless of
draft class, those guys would be considered the elite prospects
in any class.
Speaker 2 (19:53):
So they're transcendent. That's where we're at.
Speaker 5 (19:55):
And so it's really important that as we talk about
being in the top five, that you want to take
a player that his performance and production and value matches
where you're picking him at because if not, you can
be disappointed when you take someone at five and they
don't have those traits, and so you're like, man, he's
the top five pick. He should be a perennial Pro
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Bowl player and All Pro player, someone that anchors the
franchise as a high level star for five or so years.
If you don't put the right player in that fifth slot,
you can be disappointed and ultimately you're going to have
to redo it because he's never going to live up
to what your expectation is. So that's why it's tricky
in terms of making sure not by need but by
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best player available, that you take a player that is
available at the fifth spot that gives you all Pro
caliber production for the next four or so years.
Speaker 6 (20:47):
All right, a question then for the draft philosopher. Yeah,
and I wonder about this, Jalen Walker. Yeah, you know,
if a edge guy is elite, nobody has any issue
with them in the top five. What's weirder to see
in the top five in this era running back or
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tight end, because both of them historically. That's how there
are people in the league who would feel weird about
either of those positions. Top five, right, Yeah, I.
Speaker 5 (21:22):
Mean there are people that they kind of stick to
that quote unquote positional value stuff. But what I would
tell you is good players are good players, and great
players are great players.
Speaker 2 (21:30):
And there's a difference between good and great.
Speaker 5 (21:32):
And I would rather have a great player at any
position than a really good player at a marquee position,
because at the end of the day, it's a star
driven league, and the team that typically accumulates the most stars,
so the teams that win.
Speaker 2 (21:46):
Year after year after year.
Speaker 5 (21:49):
So regardless of whether it's a position high value position
or not, I want to get a star at pick
number five. And I think is really important that when
you're evaluating the player, it pops and you can envision.
Dave Getlman got in trouble a few years ago when
he took Saquon Barkley number two, but he said, when
I'm picking at the top of the board, it's a
boardant and I can close my eyes and envision this
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guy eventually donning a gold jacket.
Speaker 2 (22:13):
That is kind of how the Jaguars have to operate.
Speaker 5 (22:15):
Who are the players in the draft that you can
see being perennial Pro Bowl players and eventually evolving into
a Hall of Fame caliber player. That's who should be
on your radar when we're picking fifth overall.
Speaker 6 (22:26):
Yeah, And a funny discussion or email I received somebody said, well,
you know the running back GENTI, he's not AP, He's
not Adrian Peterson. And my thought was, is he Saquon?
Because I mean, and those are the discussions, right, and
I understand that's what you talk about with running backs,
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you know, and there is a long term that I
sort of fall into the other side of it. I
would have trouble taking running back that early just because
I'm that guy. We touched on that last But I
kind of get what you're talking about.
Speaker 2 (23:01):
Bucky.
Speaker 6 (23:02):
If he's.
Speaker 5 (23:04):
Well, I mean, let's not even tell what if what
if he what if he's Christian McCaffrey, what if he's whatever. Like,
when you really look at the history, the bus factor
in the top ten with running backs is not really
what we make it out to be. Like the guys
that have really been taken up. Even when people talk
about Todd Gurley, Oh my god, Todd Gurley, tdd Gurley
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was Offensive Player of the Year, Like we would we
would take that kind of production. I'll say this because
you mentioned what if he's Fred Taylor, Like, like, what
if he's Fred? What if he can give you where
Fred Taylor gave the franchise as RB one. Now I
would say this, The thing that I would suggest doing
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is make sure we backstop him with another high level back.
Maybe that's Tant Bigsby or whatever, But I'm just saying,
we have to grade the talent for the talent, and
what we don't want to do is force somebody into
that spot that we know, in our heart of hearts
is not a potential superstar. I would rather swing and
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miss on a guy who exhibits star like straits than
to settle for someone that is just okay, he's a
starter in the top five.
Speaker 2 (24:17):
You want more than just a starter in the top five.
Speaker 6 (24:19):
You want special And is this the kind of back
and forth, Bucky that most teams are going to have
for a month leading to the draft, Like how does
a draft room work like that?
Speaker 9 (24:30):
Or is it?
Speaker 6 (24:31):
Hey, you know what we believe this, and this is
what we're going with. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (24:36):
Yeah, No, this is what we're doing. We're scrimmaging it out.
Speaker 5 (24:40):
And at some point there's this overall philosophy of how
we draft players and what we believe in, and that
is set and established by the general manager. Hey, this
is what we believe in philosophically when it comes to
who we draft, how we draft, how we attack the
top of the board. Then is the conversation that you
he has to manage between need versus best player available,
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because what happens is the need tends to get into
your grades and it impacts who we end up putting
it at the top of the board because it just
so happens to coincide.
Speaker 2 (25:13):
With the position of need that we have.
Speaker 5 (25:16):
And what the general manager and the leadership team they
have to do is no, no, let's take the position
out of it.
Speaker 2 (25:23):
How good is this player? What does he have?
Speaker 5 (25:27):
What is superpowers? How can we utilize those superpowers to
maximize him? Is he worthy of being a top five selection?
That's where the conversation should start. And then if you
stack the board based on that. I always tell people
it's really as simple. If we are all at the
park and we're about to play pickup in a Turkey
day ball and we're going down, Hey, give me Johnny,
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give me this, give me that. That's as simple as
it really should be. Who do I want on my
team that I know is going to help me win
the turkey ball? That's what I want and it should
be as simple as that. Don't make it.
Speaker 3 (25:58):
Harder than what it is.
Speaker 2 (25:59):
I know, we talk about it being rocket science is.
Speaker 5 (26:01):
Not pick really good players, and the really good players
pop on tape, spend less time projecting how they're gonna be.
Speaker 2 (26:08):
Look at the players that are really good.
Speaker 5 (26:10):
Take those guys, and more times than not, whatever they
showed you in college, they're gonna replicate.
Speaker 2 (26:14):
It when they becomes when they become pros.
Speaker 3 (26:16):
That kind of goes to the philosophy of not having
them visit. I mean, take that a little bit out
of the equation and focus on the tape.
Speaker 5 (26:23):
That's the influence, because what happens is we're trying to
keep So there's some coaches that believe in keeping distance
from the players because if you get emotionally attached, it
clouds how you feel about them.
Speaker 2 (26:36):
Same thing with the draft process.
Speaker 5 (26:38):
There are guys that man we gravitate towards there's some
kind of connection that we have, but it may impact
our ability to really take the bias out and evaluate.
Speaker 2 (26:48):
The player for the player.
Speaker 5 (26:49):
I understand why you wouldn't want to have a lot
of people in the building because you're like, no, no, no,
I don't want this to cloud because I love the person.
Speaker 2 (26:57):
I don't want the cloud. How I really rate the player?
Speaker 6 (27:01):
Yeah, like JP, I'm not taking her play left tackle.
Speaker 3 (27:06):
Yeah, good idea.
Speaker 2 (27:08):
Don't need that.
Speaker 3 (27:10):
Nobody needs that. Certainly Trevor Lawrence doesn't need that.
Speaker 6 (27:13):
A lot of the egg Yeah, look at.
Speaker 4 (27:15):
Duck, Trevor Duck run. Hey, I got some bad news, guys.
T Pain is out, but Kodak he's out. He's been
replaced as the headliner for the May thirty first show
by Kodak Black.
Speaker 6 (27:29):
Well that's fine.
Speaker 2 (27:31):
Oh you know that might that might bring out. That's
gonna bring one.
Speaker 5 (27:34):
It's gonna bring out a different it's gonna bring out
a different element in terms of the young.
Speaker 2 (27:39):
People are gonna show out more so than they would
have shown out for T Pain.
Speaker 5 (27:42):
So our players probably appreciate Kodak Black coming more so
than T Pain they made out of faded They might
have been like a throwback to the odies for our guests.
Speaker 4 (27:53):
Well, if you had a ticket for T Pain, any
previously pursued tickets are still valid, by the way, but
if you need a refine, you'll get emails directly through
Ticketmaster with instructions for that, so check out your email
for that. Plenty of great shows coming up this spring
and summer at Dailiesplace dot com.
Speaker 6 (28:14):
I'll say this, I am just as big a fan
of Kodak back.
Speaker 2 (28:18):
Oh look, it doesn't change my plans, change plans.
Speaker 3 (28:20):
We're still going.
Speaker 2 (28:21):
We're still my plans were to be there when T.
Paine was in the building.
Speaker 5 (28:24):
So now I just have to like update my playlist,
make sure I'm up on Code at Black and his
latest stuff.
Speaker 2 (28:29):
But we're good to go. Nothing changes good to go.
Speaker 4 (28:32):
I wonder if locked in, can we get the couch
from Baseli you think one of those lounge couches things.
Speaker 6 (28:38):
Not if he's on it first.
Speaker 2 (28:40):
I mean, he's the e v P. He can make
anything happen. He's like the Wizard.
Speaker 5 (28:44):
I feel like we can go down as we can
go down to Yellow Bick Road and be like, hey,
here's what we need.
Speaker 3 (28:48):
Tony, who make a phone call?
Speaker 6 (28:51):
You keep feeling that way.
Speaker 2 (28:55):
It's like Aladdin, we get some wishes and whatever we want.
Speaker 3 (29:01):
All right, We've got you got an EV podcast coming
up soon, right, I do.
Speaker 6 (29:05):
I think it'll probably air post whatever you call it now, Uh,
probably next week, I believe. I talked to him today
and I think there's gonna We're gonna give some time
for the production crew to dress up a little bit.
But it's it's good stuff. He as people know. The
EV podcast is what we're gonna do periodically with Tony.
Speaker 8 (29:28):
Uh.
Speaker 6 (29:29):
He's high end in terms of verbalizing and saying what
the direction of the franchise. So I'm excited about it
and it's a good one.
Speaker 3 (29:36):
I love that. Paths of the Draft still going on, Bucky.
Speaker 2 (29:40):
Yeah, Path of the Draft is do going on. But
make sure you also pants.
Speaker 5 (29:43):
And I know you guys are infatuated with mock drafts.
Mock Draft Live also goes on on Tuesdays. Path to
the Draft is daily. You can check all that out.
We're doing great. A little content. We did like a
little mini mock draft yesterday where I was able to
put a jail and Walker with the Jaguar at five
just because it happened to work out that way.
Speaker 6 (30:02):
So who knows who are you married to at five bucks?
Speaker 5 (30:05):
Not married to anybody. We're just gonna make sure that
we get the best player. Not married to anybody. We
can take the best player.
Speaker 2 (30:10):
We gotta be number. We can't be married.
Speaker 3 (30:12):
We can't be married.
Speaker 6 (30:13):
People come on down the hall.
Speaker 7 (30:15):
And give that.
Speaker 5 (30:17):
Can't be We can't be married to anybody because we're five.
We got four people that determine our fate. So I
can't say, hey man, I'm locked in on this player.
Speaker 2 (30:25):
He may not be there. So we got to go
with an open mind. In fact, we got to get open.
Speaker 6 (30:31):
I'll bet we could get even as guarded as glass.
I bet you would give us more than that.
Speaker 5 (30:37):
Yeah, I mean look, I mean back back in our day,
I think like it's like going to the sock cop.
You can't go to the sock cop with with one
girl in mind. You got to make sure that you're open.
You don't know who's gonna say yes. You got to
take a couple of shots before you get the bell.
Speaker 3 (30:50):
Of the ball hold on.
Speaker 6 (30:52):
So I looked at the other one sock cop this
is nineteen fifty two.
Speaker 3 (30:57):
What are you talking about.
Speaker 6 (31:00):
I'm guessing you didn't listen to t Payne at the
sock Hop probably or cod or Kodak.
Speaker 3 (31:06):
Oh my gosh, Bill Haley in the comics played your
sock hop? Is that what happened?
Speaker 2 (31:13):
Come on, man, do all that. I still like driving
movies and all that other stuff. Like some things should
never go away.
Speaker 6 (31:19):
It's a kid from Raleigh, right there, no doubt.
Speaker 4 (31:23):
Thursday, it's Jaguars Happy Hour Radio four o'clock logging and
and I will have a recap of everything that happened today.
Speaker 3 (31:30):
Once again, Bucky, have a great week. We'll do it
again next week.
Speaker 2 (31:34):
Man, let's do it all right.
Speaker 4 (31:35):
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Speaker 1 (00:16):
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Speaker 3 (00:19):
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Speaker 3 (00:37):
It's buzzing. The off season program is here.
Speaker 4 (00:40):
Bucky Brooks joins us from Los Angeles, and it's finally here.
Speaker 3 (00:45):
Bucky.
Speaker 4 (00:45):
Players are back in the building. Culture is being established.
Football things are beginning to happen. Good afternoon, man.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
I love the energy.
Speaker 5 (00:54):
I feel like you guys are completely bought in. There's
a lot of energy. I feel like the effort is
gonna be great. Got great attitude, dude, and that is
one of the pillars being able to establish a positive
and championship culture.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
So I'm glad that you guys are all in.
Speaker 3 (01:09):
It starts with John. It starts here John.
Speaker 6 (01:11):
Yeah, and kidding aside. There is a there's a buzz
to it, there's an energy. When I asked Liam Cohen
last week at the owners meeting what he wanted players
to feel, it was exactly that that the energy was there.
I think what they're not saying there's also an underpinning
of hey, this is different. You know, we're not gonna
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hit you over the head with it. But what what
was before was not good enough. I don't think it
has to be said, and I think it's hey, you know,
buckle up, we're going so all those things. I think
I think Liam Cohen would be the first one to
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tell you all this stuff. All the talk is great,
it had to be done. But I really liked what
he said at the owner's meetings last week when he said, look,
I asked Hm about the offensive line, right, and he's
he sort of stopped himself and said, I gotta see it.
You know, Yes, I think it's tougher, Yes, all that,
but what matters is what's gonna happen on the grass.
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And uh, you know, I do like that. That's his
sort of core where he knows he has to talk
right now, but he wants to go play and he
knows none of that. It matters until you're out there
on the field.
Speaker 3 (02:32):
It's all about the ball. It's all about the balls.
Speaker 6 (02:36):
A lot of grass right here.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
I mean a lot of grass. I like that.
Speaker 5 (02:40):
I like that the game has certainly played between the lines,
and all that talking and stuff is really meaningless until
you get on the field and you begin to see
the results. I think even I have had the temper
expectations coming off of the last two coaches and some
of the stuff like being really excited, and so now
you kind of want to see what it looks like.
Because everyone talks about doing it differently. Everyone talks about
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how this is the reason why we're going to have
a lot of success. I can't wait to see how
we practice, how we put it together, how we stack it,
but more importantly, how do we perform? And the Lisa
on because we can do all of these things and
we can talk about it, but until we're truly about it,
when it matters, it means nothing.
Speaker 4 (03:19):
Let's hear from Liam Cohen some of the highlights today.
Also Trevor Lawrence and Foyer. Lucan spoke with the media,
we'll start with the Jags head coach and what to
expect the next couple weeks. In phase one of this
offseason program.
Speaker 7 (03:31):
Right now, we're trying to establish really two things are
the fundamentals and techniques of the schemes right we're not
truly diving into this.
Speaker 2 (03:39):
Scheme at the moment.
Speaker 7 (03:40):
Fundamentals and technique, and then as well our culture, the
way that we're going to play the game, our style
of play. Those are the two things that would like
to be able to get out of this, especially in
phase one where you're not on the grass with the players.
We're really installing our basic core fundamentals and principles and techniques,
and then also culture, our style of play, and our
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commitments as well.
Speaker 4 (04:03):
One of those core fundamentals is mental and physical toughness.
What does that mean for the Jaguars in twenty five
and beyond.
Speaker 7 (04:10):
I know that this is not a physical time, it
can't be and it isn't. But the establishing of the mindset,
the way that we're going to do things, the way
that we want the meetings, like coach Camp brought up today,
our meetings should be tough. We're learning new information. It's
all very new for everybody. That's hard. It's hard to
do for a coach, for a player, it's hard to learn.
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So when you do hard things and you come out
on the other end, usually you say, well I got
tougher from that. So we do believe that we can
start to establish that. You know, that was similar in
Tampa last year. When we got to the off season
program and got into it, you could start to see
the toughness come out, and the way that we broke
the huddle, the way that we communicated, the way that
we actually ran off the ball. You could see some
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of that stuff come to life.
Speaker 4 (04:58):
There's a couple from Liam coleen press conference at Jaguars
dot com Jaguars YouTube as well, and you know that's
we talked about this before, but now we're starting to
see it today. We heard from a Lucan and Trevor
Lawrence today about their initial impressions. And I mean today
and yesterday in the first few days of this are
huge to gain that trust to the team as a
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coach and a coaching staff, Bucky, And you got to
set the tone right away.
Speaker 2 (05:25):
Yeah, And you get to set the tone right away.
Speaker 5 (05:27):
You want to establish that, you want to make sure
everyone understands the expectations and standards. You want to make
sure that's clearly communicated. You want to be very direct
with that communication. And then you have to hold players
accountable to meeting those standards every day. I love what
Liam Cohen was talking about in terms of how they
have to get it done.
Speaker 2 (05:46):
Now, some of it sounds kind of like hokey when it.
Speaker 5 (05:48):
Comes to like our meetings have to be tough, whatever,
but it is an expectation that hard things are hard,
and the only way that you're going to get to
the other side of some of the obstacles that lie
in is you got to go through it, and you
got to begin to prepare yourself mentally to know that
as adversity is going to come and we got.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
To be able to deal with it.
Speaker 5 (06:06):
So I love all of that, and then my reaction
to hearing like the players talk about it will be
a look, we've had similar things, but can you really
buy in? Can you give of yourself to the team
to really buy into whatevery to all the things that
are being uttered and say no, no, no, I believe in this.
I'm going to believe in this, and I'm gonna do
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everything in my power to make all of these things
come to fruition. So it'd be interesting to see how
this stuff plays out over the off season. But one point,
the wouldn't getting training came in the regular season.
Speaker 6 (06:35):
Yeah, we're on the second day of phase one. We're
not even the Buckie's favorite part of the year, which
is Ota.
Speaker 3 (06:42):
That's coming soon, so coming, you know.
Speaker 6 (06:46):
I love that they talked with energy. The players said,
this is clearly a young staff. Foyer said, you know,
you can embrace that. I certainly it's better that they
talked with energy than them being asleep at the wheel.
You know, you know, you know, you know what I'm
walking in here like we're already bored seeing you Densky
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taking a nap, you know. So that everything feels right,
everything feels as it should, And we're gonna it sound
like a broken record if we keep saying we know
no it we know none of it matters, because we're
talking to a fan base that's heard this kind of
thing before. And JP, you know Bucky, you've been around
him a little bit at the combine. All I can
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tell you is it it feels right. It feels like
it has a spine to go with all of the
bells and whistles. I'm optimistic about it working for the
long term. I get that if you're not buying it,
if you've heard it before, but something about it feels
real to me, and we'll see how it.
Speaker 3 (07:50):
Goes, you know. And I kind of go back real quick,
Bucky though.
Speaker 4 (07:53):
The last year we heard in the aftermath of all
this that there was rumblings pretty quick after the initial
meetings in the off season that oh, this is this
doesn't feel great in certain areas of the building.
Speaker 6 (08:05):
Yeah, well certain areas, yeah, so.
Speaker 3 (08:09):
Important.
Speaker 6 (08:10):
Yeah, and you don't feel that now, so well see god, yeah, no.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
We'll see.
Speaker 5 (08:19):
And here's what I say, Liam coyn and everyone associated
with the coaching staff and even the front office, they have.
Speaker 2 (08:27):
To believe what they're preaching.
Speaker 5 (08:28):
That's really really important because what happens, and I'll just
go based off of last year. Last year we talked
about the tough camp, the toughness, the tough that. Then
we got into the regular season and the first hiccup
everything kind of fell apart. And so it's really important
that if you are talking about being tough minded, you
want the team to be tough minded. Whatever as the leader,
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you also have to embody those qualities. I love the
coaching staff that we have in plays like some of
those coaches are really good coaches know them personally, and so.
Speaker 3 (08:59):
I love that.
Speaker 5 (09:00):
I love what I'm hearing in terms of the type
of team stylistically that we want to be, in terms
of tough and physical and discipline.
Speaker 2 (09:06):
And details and all of that.
Speaker 5 (09:08):
Now, it's about making sure that your behaviors match the
words that are being said, that all the actions match
the words, and that when we get to those tough moments, we.
Speaker 2 (09:19):
Don't waiver, we don't buckle in those things.
Speaker 5 (09:22):
And so this off season program is about preparing the
guys mentally and physically for the storms that are about
to happen, so they can push past those storms and
become the best versions of themselves as we.
Speaker 2 (09:32):
Get into the late stages of the season.
Speaker 4 (09:34):
Let's put a bow on this part of the conversation
with Foyer looking on the first impression on the defensive
side today.
Speaker 8 (09:41):
Yeah, new energy to the team. Obviously a little bit younger,
but I feel like this resonates a little bit better
in the room and everything right now. But just you know,
the passion that they speak with. Every time they're speaking,
definitely rubs off on us the right way, and just
take that into all of our workouts. Take that in,
you know, when we get on the field together, a
lot of guys all willing to improve and get better
together the team.
Speaker 4 (10:01):
The same idea in the strength and conditioning realm as well.
All that's new with a new baseline and everything getting started.
Only those guys can be on the practice field with
players in the first couple of weeks in Phase number one,
the biggest part of today outside of Liam Cohen establishing
the culture and everything well, Trevor Lawrence spoke with the
media as well and a few nuggets came out of that.
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He'll be on a little bit of a pitch count
in the off season, but also some changes to footwork
and Trevor Lawrence explaining what that means.
Speaker 9 (10:31):
There's some things that you know, there's some things I've
known about my footwork over the years of playing that
I felt like have been a little bit of a weakness.
So there's some things that we've talked about of just
what are those things, what are we identifying as things
to work on. And then the system is built around
timing and tying your feet to your progression and playing
on time, and so it allows you to get backside,
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allows you to get to checkdowns or whatever it may be,
and you can feel comfortable playing on time. And more
than any system I've ever learned, it's structured and based
on that, and it's so everything's tied exactly to how
this route is on this timing, So then your next
progression is off of this footwork, off this timing, so
it all ties in perfect. You don't have multiple routes
clearing at the same time, which is hard as a
quarterback because then you're sitting back there and you got
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to make a decision before really the guy's open or covered,
you know. So I think they've done a really good
job with the system of really thinking through how does
it tie into a quarterbacks feet And that's what we've
been talking about. And it takes some work and you know,
flipping my stands, just some little things like that that
are small that many people wouldn't notice, but it is.
I have so many banked reps of the other way.
I got to just get all these on my own
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and work them so once camp comes around, I'm ready
to go.
Speaker 4 (11:38):
Interesting thoughts from the quarterback Trevor Lawrence again all the
availabilities today at Jaguars dot Com and Jags YouTube.
Speaker 6 (11:44):
John, Yeah, I thought that was a very interesting SoundBite
and something Trevor said later in his availability. I'm not
sure he was thinking about it in this way, but
he said, it's it's hard, you know. I mean, it's
gonna be a hard scheme to learn. But Bucky, I
think what I liked about what Trevor just said is
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it certainly sounded like he believed in the scheme. He
believed in what he's seeing enough that during the hard process.
I think any new scheme is going to be, you know,
a task for a quarterback to learn, varying levels of
how difficult it is. But it certainly sounds like he
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sees things in this scheme that when he's learning it
and going through it, he believes in it enough to
get through to the other end. If that makes sense.
Speaker 5 (12:39):
Yeah, My takeaway was very similar to what you had
like in terms of him believing in it. My interpretation
of what Trevor said was he believes in the organization
and the structure of the offense that is sensible to him,
that the footwork matches the depth of the route, and
so for everyone to understand this is send three steps
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and go and three steps in a hitch and all.
Speaker 2 (13:04):
Of those things.
Speaker 5 (13:04):
Because for the quarterback, if he trusts his feet he
gets to the back foot, the ball has to come
out on time. But for that to really work, the
receivers have to be running routes where they're breaking open
at the same time.
Speaker 2 (13:18):
And it's one of these things where it looks like
a look.
Speaker 5 (13:21):
It's all organized and choreographed, and so everyone has to
be on the same page. And when he talks about
like previously guys kind of getting open at the same level, well,
that's really hard for the quarterback to kind of figure out, like, well,
well who do I go to? Who should Who do
I think is going to come over? So there's more guesswork,
and it appears without seeing it.
Speaker 2 (13:42):
It appears that.
Speaker 5 (13:43):
Things clearly defined, and that makes life easier on the quarterback.
So I can't say that the system is quarterback friendly,
but I will say I've seen Baker Mayfield, and I've
also because office, according to it comes from Minnesota, I've
seen Sam Donald have a lot of success in this system.
And I also think about the rams and how Jarrett
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Golf looked one way for a long time.
Speaker 2 (14:05):
Sean McVay and that staff come in, he.
Speaker 5 (14:07):
Becomes a Pro Bowl player and takes a team to
a super Bowl in that system. So I'm a believer
that there's something that they understand about tying it together
with the quarterback's feet to allow him to have a
lot of success.
Speaker 6 (14:21):
Yeah, and this sort of ties into it too. Liam
Cohen and his availability to day talked a lot about
playing with an unclouded mind I think was the word
that he used, or a clearly yeah. And so it
certainly will find out how it all looks. But I
think in those sound bites we certainly heard the beginnings
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of the theme of what they're talking about and what
Trevor Lawrence is going to be the storyline as we
go forward into this season, because to me, if he
takes huge steps, the fundamentals around him or the core
around him is capable of taking steps with him without
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him taking steps, I don't know that this roster is
going to be enough to lift you to a twelve
and five season. If he takes huge steps, anything can happen.
He's the storyline, and I you know, I think we've
seen the basis of our discussion points.
Speaker 3 (15:23):
As we move forward with him, the Jags are coming
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Speaker 4 (15:28):
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Speaker 3 (15:44):
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Speaker 6 (15:51):
I probably will not, but I'll text him.
Speaker 3 (15:53):
Oh yeah, that'll go well.
Speaker 2 (15:55):
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Hosier and Jackson Bill with the Miller Electric Center. Bucky
Brooks with us out in Los Angeles. Other Jaguars news
Trayvon Walker receiving the fifth year option, and then Liam
Cohen asked today about Devin Lloyd also in that draft class,
and no word on that yet. I got to kind
and see him in the building first, be around him
a little bit more.
Speaker 3 (16:16):
That was what the head coach said today.
Speaker 4 (16:18):
But really around here at least, no surprise on the
Trayvon Walker news with the production he's had the last
two years, especially John.
Speaker 6 (16:27):
Yeah, not a surprise to me. And I think the
X factor becomes how soon and when do you approach
him about long term contract? To me, I mean people
who listen know I love Trayvon. I love what he's about.
I love what he brings. I think he's a guy
that you want in your building and on your team
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for all the ways that he approaches it and for
what he does on the field. And my sense, Bucky,
I'm not surprised that they haven't done a deal yet,
because when a new regime comes in and you're committing
the sort of money that it will take, you know,
there's anything wrong with saying, hey, we love what we've
seen on film, we love what you're about. Baselli tells
us all this stuff. Let's see it, let's make sure
(17:11):
the marriage works, let's live together first. Yeah. But I
have no doubt or very little doubt that once you're
around this kid, Bucky, he's the kind of guy you
want to be around.
Speaker 2 (17:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (17:23):
Absolutely, Man, you want to be around him. You love
what he's about. He's about the right stuff. And as
we think about championship teams having a core nucleus of
players that are built the right way, that fit the culture,
that fit how you want this team to ultimately perform
on and off the field.
Speaker 2 (17:42):
Man, how can you not like him? And we have
seen that is better to be on the.
Speaker 5 (17:46):
Front end, front end of these things as opposed to
the back end, because the.
Speaker 2 (17:51):
Raid only goes up, it never comes down. So you
feel great about him.
Speaker 5 (17:54):
You feel good about how he handles himself, how he's
connected with the team, and importantly, how he plays on
the grass since we're using grass analogies.
Speaker 2 (18:05):
Look, man, you make it happen.
Speaker 3 (18:08):
All right. Now, we're about two weeks away from the
NFL draft.
Speaker 6 (18:12):
Ot as, no, no, yeah, we got waste for yet
a little while before.
Speaker 2 (18:17):
We've got a mini camp coming. We've got a mini camp.
Speaker 6 (18:18):
Christ come out.
Speaker 4 (18:20):
There is a voluntary veteran mini camp after the first
two weeks of the off season program.
Speaker 3 (18:25):
Yeah, right before the draft, right right, three days before
the draft.
Speaker 2 (18:28):
That's right, Yeah, great opportunity.
Speaker 3 (18:30):
Do you have a boy?
Speaker 6 (18:31):
So there's that more mini camps, which is just what
you want, John Well, I think it's what everybody wants.
Speaker 9 (18:38):
JP.
Speaker 3 (18:38):
I mean, who doesn't I think something to look at.
Speaker 4 (18:43):
All? Right? So then the draft, Bucky, I mean, what's
uh what's the latest scuttle this week on in draft
circles in the top five.
Speaker 3 (18:52):
I know it changes daily.
Speaker 2 (18:53):
It feels like I can't say it necessarily changes daily.
Speaker 5 (18:58):
But I think the limma that we're going to have
as we look at the top five is how many
guys are really worthy of being top five picks, meaning
who are the true elite prospects in the draft. And
people are talking about the quarterbacks, cam Ward, they're talking
about Suedar Sanders. But then if you took a consensus,
how many high level scouts really believe that those guys
(19:21):
are elite players? I would say that when I talk
to people, they're about five or six guys that they
say are slam dunk elite players, meaning they're the best
of the best, regardless of it. So it's always Travis
Hunter's in the conversation, after Carter's in the conversation, Ashton
Genty is in the conversation, Jayden Walker is always in
(19:42):
the conversation, and then Tyler Warren is in the conversation.
When people talk about elite, regardless of year, regardless of
draft class, those guys would be considered the elite prospects
in any class.
Speaker 2 (19:53):
So they're transcendent. That's where we're at.
Speaker 5 (19:55):
And so it's really important that as we talk about
being in the top five, that you want to take
a player that his performance and production and value matches
where you're picking him at because if not, you can
be disappointed when you take someone at five and they
don't have those traits, and so you're like, man, he's
the top five pick. He should be a perennial Pro
(20:16):
Bowl player and All Pro player, someone that anchors the
franchise as a high level star for five or so years.
If you don't put the right player in that fifth slot,
you can be disappointed and ultimately you're going to have
to redo it because he's never going to live up
to what your expectation is. So that's why it's tricky
in terms of making sure not by need but by
(20:39):
best player available, that you take a player that is
available at the fifth spot that gives you all Pro
caliber production for the next four or so years.
Speaker 6 (20:47):
All right, a question then for the draft philosopher. Yeah,
and I wonder about this, Jalen Walker. Yeah, you know,
if a edge guy is elite, nobody has any issue
with them in the top five. What's weirder to see
in the top five in this era running back or
(21:10):
tight end, because both of them historically. That's how there
are people in the league who would feel weird about
either of those positions. Top five, right, Yeah, I.
Speaker 5 (21:22):
Mean there are people that they kind of stick to
that quote unquote positional value stuff. But what I would
tell you is good players are good players, and great
players are great players.
Speaker 2 (21:30):
And there's a difference between good and great.
Speaker 5 (21:32):
And I would rather have a great player at any
position than a really good player at a marquee position,
because at the end of the day, it's a star
driven league, and the team that typically accumulates the most stars,
so the teams that win.
Speaker 2 (21:46):
Year after year after year.
Speaker 5 (21:49):
So regardless of whether it's a position high value position
or not, I want to get a star at pick
number five. And I think is really important that when
you're evaluating the player, it pops and you can envision.
Dave Getlman got in trouble a few years ago when
he took Saquon Barkley number two, but he said, when
I'm picking at the top of the board, it's a
boardant and I can close my eyes and envision this
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guy eventually donning a gold jacket.
Speaker 2 (22:13):
That is kind of how the Jaguars have to operate.
Speaker 5 (22:15):
Who are the players in the draft that you can
see being perennial Pro Bowl players and eventually evolving into
a Hall of Fame caliber player. That's who should be
on your radar when we're picking fifth overall.
Speaker 6 (22:26):
Yeah, And a funny discussion or email I received somebody said, well,
you know the running back GENTI, he's not AP, He's
not Adrian Peterson. And my thought was, is he Saquon?
Because I mean, and those are the discussions, right, and
I understand that's what you talk about with running backs,
(22:50):
you know, and there is a long term that I
sort of fall into the other side of it. I
would have trouble taking running back that early just because
I'm that guy. We touched on that last But I
kind of get what you're talking about.
Speaker 2 (23:01):
Bucky.
Speaker 6 (23:02):
If he's.
Speaker 5 (23:04):
Well, I mean, let's not even tell what if what
if he what if he's Christian McCaffrey, what if he's whatever. Like,
when you really look at the history, the bus factor
in the top ten with running backs is not really
what we make it out to be. Like the guys
that have really been taken up. Even when people talk
about Todd Gurley, Oh my god, Todd Gurley, tdd Gurley
(23:26):
was Offensive Player of the Year, Like we would we
would take that kind of production. I'll say this because
you mentioned what if he's Fred Taylor, Like, like, what
if he's Fred? What if he can give you where
Fred Taylor gave the franchise as RB one. Now I
would say this, The thing that I would suggest doing
(23:48):
is make sure we backstop him with another high level back.
Maybe that's Tant Bigsby or whatever, But I'm just saying,
we have to grade the talent for the talent, and
what we don't want to do is force somebody into
that spot that we know, in our heart of hearts
is not a potential superstar. I would rather swing and
(24:08):
miss on a guy who exhibits star like straits than
to settle for someone that is just okay, he's a
starter in the top five.
Speaker 2 (24:17):
You want more than just a starter in the top five.
Speaker 6 (24:19):
You want special And is this the kind of back
and forth, Bucky that most teams are going to have
for a month leading to the draft, Like how does
a draft room work like that?
Speaker 9 (24:30):
Or is it?
Speaker 6 (24:31):
Hey, you know what we believe this, and this is
what we're going with. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (24:36):
Yeah, No, this is what we're doing. We're scrimmaging it out.
Speaker 5 (24:40):
And at some point there's this overall philosophy of how
we draft players and what we believe in, and that
is set and established by the general manager. Hey, this
is what we believe in philosophically when it comes to
who we draft, how we draft, how we attack the
top of the board. Then is the conversation that you
he has to manage between need versus best player available,
(25:03):
because what happens is the need tends to get into
your grades and it impacts who we end up putting
it at the top of the board because it just
so happens to coincide.
Speaker 2 (25:13):
With the position of need that we have.
Speaker 5 (25:16):
And what the general manager and the leadership team they
have to do is no, no, let's take the position
out of it.
Speaker 2 (25:23):
How good is this player? What does he have?
Speaker 5 (25:27):
What is superpowers? How can we utilize those superpowers to
maximize him? Is he worthy of being a top five selection?
That's where the conversation should start. And then if you
stack the board based on that. I always tell people
it's really as simple. If we are all at the
park and we're about to play pickup in a Turkey
day ball and we're going down, Hey, give me Johnny,
(25:47):
give me this, give me that. That's as simple as
it really should be. Who do I want on my
team that I know is going to help me win
the turkey ball? That's what I want and it should
be as simple as that. Don't make it.
Speaker 3 (25:58):
Harder than what it is.
Speaker 2 (25:59):
I know, we talk about it being rocket science is.
Speaker 5 (26:01):
Not pick really good players, and the really good players
pop on tape, spend less time projecting how they're gonna be.
Speaker 2 (26:08):
Look at the players that are really good.
Speaker 5 (26:10):
Take those guys, and more times than not, whatever they
showed you in college, they're gonna replicate.
Speaker 2 (26:14):
It when they becomes when they become pros.
Speaker 3 (26:16):
That kind of goes to the philosophy of not having
them visit. I mean, take that a little bit out
of the equation and focus on the tape.
Speaker 5 (26:23):
That's the influence, because what happens is we're trying to
keep So there's some coaches that believe in keeping distance
from the players because if you get emotionally attached, it
clouds how you feel about them.
Speaker 2 (26:36):
Same thing with the draft process.
Speaker 5 (26:38):
There are guys that man we gravitate towards there's some
kind of connection that we have, but it may impact
our ability to really take the bias out and evaluate.
Speaker 2 (26:48):
The player for the player.
Speaker 5 (26:49):
I understand why you wouldn't want to have a lot
of people in the building because you're like, no, no, no,
I don't want this to cloud because I love the person.
Speaker 2 (26:57):
I don't want the cloud. How I really rate the player?
Speaker 6 (27:01):
Yeah, like JP, I'm not taking her play left tackle.
Speaker 3 (27:06):
Yeah, good idea.
Speaker 2 (27:08):
Don't need that.
Speaker 3 (27:10):
Nobody needs that. Certainly Trevor Lawrence doesn't need that.
Speaker 6 (27:13):
A lot of the egg Yeah, look at.
Speaker 4 (27:15):
Duck, Trevor Duck run. Hey, I got some bad news, guys.
T Pain is out, but Kodak he's out. He's been
replaced as the headliner for the May thirty first show
by Kodak Black.
Speaker 6 (27:29):
Well that's fine.
Speaker 2 (27:31):
Oh you know that might that might bring out. That's
gonna bring one.
Speaker 5 (27:34):
It's gonna bring out a different it's gonna bring out
a different element in terms of the young.
Speaker 2 (27:39):
People are gonna show out more so than they would
have shown out for T Pain.
Speaker 5 (27:42):
So our players probably appreciate Kodak Black coming more so
than T Pain they made out of faded They might
have been like a throwback to the odies for our guests.
Speaker 4 (27:53):
Well, if you had a ticket for T Pain, any
previously pursued tickets are still valid, by the way, but
if you need a refine, you'll get emails directly through
Ticketmaster with instructions for that, so check out your email
for that. Plenty of great shows coming up this spring
and summer at Dailiesplace dot com.
Speaker 6 (28:14):
I'll say this, I am just as big a fan
of Kodak back.
Speaker 2 (28:18):
Oh look, it doesn't change my plans, change plans.
Speaker 3 (28:20):
We're still going.
Speaker 2 (28:21):
We're still my plans were to be there when T.
Paine was in the building.
Speaker 5 (28:24):
So now I just have to like update my playlist,
make sure I'm up on Code at Black and his
latest stuff.
Speaker 2 (28:29):
But we're good to go. Nothing changes good to go.
Speaker 4 (28:32):
I wonder if locked in, can we get the couch
from Baseli you think one of those lounge couches things.
Speaker 6 (28:38):
Not if he's on it first.
Speaker 2 (28:40):
I mean, he's the e v P. He can make
anything happen. He's like the Wizard.
Speaker 5 (28:44):
I feel like we can go down as we can
go down to Yellow Bick Road and be like, hey,
here's what we need.
Speaker 3 (28:48):
Tony, who make a phone call?
Speaker 6 (28:51):
You keep feeling that way.
Speaker 2 (28:55):
It's like Aladdin, we get some wishes and whatever we want.
Speaker 3 (29:01):
All right, We've got you got an EV podcast coming
up soon, right, I do.
Speaker 6 (29:05):
I think it'll probably air post whatever you call it now, Uh,
probably next week, I believe. I talked to him today
and I think there's gonna We're gonna give some time
for the production crew to dress up a little bit.
But it's it's good stuff. He as people know. The
EV podcast is what we're gonna do periodically with Tony.
Speaker 8 (29:28):
Uh.
Speaker 6 (29:29):
He's high end in terms of verbalizing and saying what
the direction of the franchise. So I'm excited about it
and it's a good one.
Speaker 3 (29:36):
I love that. Paths of the Draft still going on, Bucky.
Speaker 2 (29:40):
Yeah, Path of the Draft is do going on. But
make sure you also pants.
Speaker 5 (29:43):
And I know you guys are infatuated with mock drafts.
Mock Draft Live also goes on on Tuesdays. Path to
the Draft is daily. You can check all that out.
We're doing great. A little content. We did like a
little mini mock draft yesterday where I was able to
put a jail and Walker with the Jaguar at five
just because it happened to work out that way.
Speaker 6 (30:02):
So who knows who are you married to at five bucks?
Speaker 5 (30:05):
Not married to anybody. We're just gonna make sure that
we get the best player. Not married to anybody. We
can take the best player.
Speaker 2 (30:10):
We gotta be number. We can't be married.
Speaker 3 (30:12):
We can't be married.
Speaker 6 (30:13):
People come on down the hall.
Speaker 7 (30:15):
And give that.
Speaker 5 (30:17):
Can't be We can't be married to anybody because we're five.
We got four people that determine our fate. So I
can't say, hey man, I'm locked in on this player.
Speaker 2 (30:25):
He may not be there. So we got to go
with an open mind. In fact, we got to get open.
Speaker 6 (30:31):
I'll bet we could get even as guarded as glass.
I bet you would give us more than that.
Speaker 5 (30:37):
Yeah, I mean look, I mean back back in our day,
I think like it's like going to the sock cop.
You can't go to the sock cop with with one
girl in mind. You got to make sure that you're open.
You don't know who's gonna say yes. You got to
take a couple of shots before you get the bell.
Speaker 3 (30:50):
Of the ball hold on.
Speaker 6 (30:52):
So I looked at the other one sock cop this
is nineteen fifty two.
Speaker 3 (30:57):
What are you talking about.
Speaker 6 (31:00):
I'm guessing you didn't listen to t Payne at the
sock Hop probably or cod or Kodak.
Speaker 3 (31:06):
Oh my gosh, Bill Haley in the comics played your
sock hop? Is that what happened?
Speaker 2 (31:13):
Come on, man, do all that. I still like driving
movies and all that other stuff. Like some things should
never go away.
Speaker 6 (31:19):
It's a kid from Raleigh, right there, no doubt.
Speaker 4 (31:23):
Thursday, it's Jaguars Happy Hour Radio four o'clock logging and
and I will have a recap of everything that happened today.
Speaker 3 (31:30):
Once again, Bucky, have a great week. We'll do it
again next week.
Speaker 2 (31:34):
Man, let's do it all right.
Speaker 4 (31:35):
Bye, Bucky Brooks, John O's MJP Shadwick Our thanks to David,
Joe and Joe Fortunato. Thanks to you for listening and
watching to huddle up with Bucky Brooks.
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