May 7, 2025 • 30 mins
J.P. Shadrick and John Oehser are back with Bucky Brooks the day before rookies report for minicamp. This morning's departure of Wide Receiver Gabe Davis sparks a conversation about salary cap management under James Gladstone and his staff. Later the crew discusses what we could see out of the 2025 Draft Class as they take the practice field as Jaguars for the first time. This and more on Huddle Up, presented by Fields Auto Group.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
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Speaker 2 (00:19):
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Speaker 2 (00:37):
Of activity this week.
Speaker 3 (00:39):
Bucky Brooks is in Los Angeles, California.
Speaker 2 (00:42):
Not quite as busy there.
Speaker 3 (00:43):
I'm sure you're busy, Bucky, but you know, at least
the building you're in.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
I don't know what's up. How are you, Buck?
Speaker 4 (00:49):
I'm good man.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
What's going on?
Speaker 4 (00:51):
Guys? How you doing?
Speaker 2 (00:51):
Oh good? Ready for some football things?
Speaker 5 (00:54):
Football talk talkball, A lot.
Speaker 3 (00:55):
A lot of ball talking coming up, including rookie Minni
Caamp coming up this weekend.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
That here in just a little bit.
Speaker 4 (01:02):
But news.
Speaker 3 (01:02):
On Wednesday, the Jaguars have released wide receiver Gabe Davis
with a post June first designation.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
The dead cap number this year will be five.
Speaker 3 (01:12):
Point seven million dollars and next year twenty twenty six
fourteen point six million dollars. Had twenty catches for two
hundred and thirty nine yards on a three year, thirty
nine million dollar deal.
Speaker 5 (01:24):
John Yeah goes up there with you know, Laurent Robinson
and you know different free agent signings over the years
that discompletely didn't work out, And you know, it's funny
talking about this one. Buck It's it's huge news, but
at the same time, it's not because he never factored
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last year. I don't even think if he'd been back,
he was going to factor this year. So it's it's
I'm not sure his I don't know what his knee
situation is going to be, but it just never felt
like he was going to be a huge part of it.
So it's news to but Bucket doesn't matter that much.
I'm not trying to detegrate him. But for the team, Okay,
good move on.
Speaker 6 (02:07):
I would say this, and I want to be very
respectful and talking about it like it's a move that
needed to be made. It was a move that probably
could have been made based on behaviors and attitudes.
Speaker 4 (02:16):
Last year, it didn't work out.
Speaker 6 (02:18):
It didn't work on the field, it didn't work off
the field. Anyone who has been in the building, been
around the team, understood the dynamics of why it didn't
work out. Just wasn't a good fit. And the reason
why I would applaud this move is everything that Liam
con James Gladstone, and Tony Boselli have talked about. They
followed through on when they talk about and we laughed
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when they talk about guys that fit in with the ecosystem,
guys that really fit in the locker room. We are
seeing they are unafraid of removing people who they don't
deem to be good fits. And in the first year
of a what we call a rebuild rebuilding.
Speaker 4 (02:54):
Process, that's what you want to do.
Speaker 6 (02:56):
The first thing that you have to do is get
all the people on the bus that fit culturally, and
then you figure out which way you want to drive
the bus. But you got to get the right people
on the bus. And I think this is part of
the process of making sure that you get the right
folks in the locker room, the right folks believing in
whatever the ethos of the team is, and then they
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go about taking care of business in appropriate fashion.
Speaker 5 (03:19):
Yeah, I know it's news that everybody in the outside
is gonna be talking about today. And I feel like,
since we have the whole lot of podcast under the
Jaguars three as after it happened, that we should talk
about it more. But as I say at the top,
I don't have that much to say on it because
I didn't really think that much about how he was
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going to fit, because I don't think he was going
to be a huge part of it. I didn't know
about the I was not sure how much the knee
was going to allow him to be, and it just
never felt like he was going to be part of this.
I wish him well, I didn't know him very well,
so I have no ill feelings. It's just I don't
think he is going to be part of this, so
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I don't think it matters very much from a football perspective.
That's why I said earlier. I was not trying to
say go get out of here. I don't we know.
Just it was time to just go ahead and move
on to what this was going to be, not what
it was.
Speaker 3 (04:15):
So here's what's remaining on the wide receiver room for
the Jaguars. Of course, Brian Thomas Junior heard of him
decent rookie season a year ago. Do Yammy Brown signed
in free agency, Joshua Cephis on the roster, Austin Trammel
on the roster, Parker Washington, David White Junior all on
the roster, and of course Travis Hunter will be coming
in for rookie mini camps starting Thursday on the field
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Friday Saturday, actually walking in graduation Thursday, but on the
field slated to be Friday and Saturday.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
That's the wide receiver room.
Speaker 5 (04:43):
I think you covered Yammy Brown at the top, right, Well, yeah,
it's Yammy Brown, Brian Thomas Junior, Travis Hunter, Oh yeah,
him and Parker Washington at at number four, and then
figure out the rest and there's opportunit unity there, Bucky,
I don't necessarily, you know, it feels like option open
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at some point if they look around and say, you
know what, none of the other five are moving up,
that you could go veteran reasonably priced guy with that
really is scared to do anything. I know they all
so like and his name's going to escape me. The
wide receiver from Elon that they signed in a free agency.
They feel like a guy like that could be part
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of this toobe in collegiate free agency.
Speaker 6 (05:33):
I'm sorry, no, I look, I think there are a
lot of things that are at play. I think short term,
everyone is going to be excited about Brian Thomas Junior,
Travis Hunt or Park of Washington, and Deany Brown all
getting an opportunity to play, and I think that should
be a reasonable cause for excitement. But I think long term,
this is about setting the table and the budget sheep
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for the quarterback about to make a lot of money.
When the quarterback makes a ton of money, you have
to find a way to get cheaper around the quarterback
to be able to do it. And so even though
Brian Thomas Junion and Travis Hunter our first round picks
on the books, their contracts are relatively cheap.
Speaker 4 (06:09):
When you look at the.
Speaker 6 (06:09):
Cost of doing business for an elite wide out at
thirty million plus, Well, now you have two guys at
cost control for the next two to three years before
you have to maybe address their contract situations. While Trevor
is creeping into the bulk of a big deal, you
also have a young player at Parker Washington. He will
kind of determine how long he stays around the program
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based on how he plays the performance in production.
Speaker 4 (06:35):
Jemmy Brown, I think you're on a one year deal.
We'll see.
Speaker 6 (06:38):
And so what you have is you have a foundation
in place to allow Trevor to make a lot of
money with good players around him who are still on
cost control deals that allow you to build the rest
of the team. This had to happen because if not,
your team would be lopsided where you have all of
the money devoted to the offense left to the defense,
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and it's really really hard to go about building a
championship contender in that way.
Speaker 5 (07:05):
Yeah, if you look at it like that, JP, I
know Gabe Davis will be dead money on the cap,
but in terms of guys running around on the field,
I think this year Jeam May Brown's ten million dollar
contract for this year will be the most expensive that
they're paying that. Maybe Travis Hunter being the number two
overall could creep into that, but it within NFL cost
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It's a very affordable group of skill players. When you
throw Brenton Strange still on rookie deal, all of the
backs on rookie deals Travis, I think in twenty five
because you know, we'll make I.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
Think he's making six or seven, because yeah.
Speaker 5 (07:46):
It's still not above ten. So except for Trevor, it's
pretty affordable.
Speaker 3 (07:52):
Yeah, And to your point, Bucky, it's Trevor costs seventeen
against the cap this year, twenty four million against the
cap in twenty six, thirty five million against the cap
in twenty twenty seven, so you basically double it in
two years.
Speaker 4 (08:05):
Yeah, I mean that's significant. And what you want to
do is you always want to.
Speaker 6 (08:09):
Be ahead of the curve and the dynamics of a
front office work in this manner. The head coach thinks
about today, the general manager thinks about tomorrow and beyond,
and so they're working together to figure out how can
I put the best team on the field today while
also having an eye towards tomorrow. So some of these
moves that we're seeing may are really with an eye
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towards tomorrow. And when you hear James Gladstone talk about
the importance of getting the young guys on the field,
that also is part of being able to reward a
handful of stars because we look up Javon Walker is
going to be do a deal on the horizon and
you're gonna have to take care of him.
Speaker 4 (08:49):
And you already have Josh ees.
Speaker 6 (08:51):
Allen on the books and you're looking at the big
deals that could be in play.
Speaker 4 (08:55):
Tyson Campbell makes.
Speaker 6 (08:56):
A significant amount of money as you rewarding your stars,
and a lot of these stars are drafting developmental stars
that have kind of earned the right to get those
big paydays. You have to surround them with young players
on the cheat that can play at a high level.
That is where that that a front office a is
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nudging the coaching staff. Hey, we've got to get the
young guys on the field because these young guys are
going to have to be lynch pins to our ability
to play at a high level with a handful of
stars carrying a significant amount of water. This is all
part of the building process. But look I can apply
to because they've jumped right in. You can tell that
there is a plan in place. Now it's about the
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execution of the plan, and you hope that the plan
that we're scripting on paper plays out really, really well
when it comes to play real ball.
Speaker 4 (09:46):
Between the lines.
Speaker 5 (09:47):
Yeah, it's it's too bad. And I've said this before
and people who don't like, you know, people observers, emailers
who don't like the last regime don't like when I
say this. I love the last regime did a nice
job managing the cap until off season. And I've said
this before. They're now trying to fix some stuff that
happened last off season when I thought the old regime
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react reacted to twenty three and did some things out
of character even for that regime with the Gabe Davis
and you know, some of the one year's stuff that
they're having to deal with. And but that's sort of bucky.
When you take over, as this regime took over, there
are details you have to clean up, and sometimes those
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deals are painful. They gave Davis thing on the Caps painful,
But as you said, you get through it and you
move on and you try to keep it as clean
as possible, and then one day you wake up and
the old regime's mistakes are in the past.
Speaker 4 (10:47):
It is really one of those things.
Speaker 6 (10:49):
And here's the thing about like when you have a
team in an organizational philosophy, good years, bad years, or whatever,
you still don't change your approach to it. You can
rectify some mistakes, but you don't radically overhaul the way
that you go about doing business, because when you make mistakes,
when you make decisions out of desperation, you're more likely
to make mistakes. And now we're having to recover from
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some of the free agent mistakes that were made, and
it'll hurt us in the short term, but it is
better to address it now and not that it linger
deal with whatever you have to deal with, salary cap ramifications,
some of the I'll say, maybe discord or shock that
may happen in the locker room, and then move forward,
because the only way to get this team headed in
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the right direction is you're gonna have to make some
hard decisions. And look, there's been a willingness right now
by the new regime to make these tough decisions.
Speaker 5 (11:41):
Yeah, I think the locker room shock will be pretty manimal.
Speaker 3 (11:44):
Exactly, and in general, heart they better get used to
it because there's gonna be a lot of change in
that locker room. It's just how it's gonna be moving ahead.
Competition is one of the key words the new season.
Right around the corner in the time to get your
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right now.
Speaker 5 (12:02):
Right now, not tomorrow, no time like the President yesterday
now now.
Speaker 3 (12:08):
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Rookie Minni Caamp coming up this weekend Friday and Saturday
on the grass. The players starting to arrive today. They'll
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be in the building tomorrow for physicals, first meetings, and
then on the field. As we said, Friday and Saturdays
will be open to the public. Travis Hunter not sure
if his travel schedule, but he'll be walking across the
stage for commencement at the University of Colorado. I believe
on Thursday anthropology degree.
Speaker 2 (12:51):
John Anthropology.
Speaker 5 (12:53):
I admit, Bucky, I am sort of excited about this
rookie Meedi Camp. I don't either say that a whole lot,
but when there's an energy there, when the fans are
out to see a particular player, JP, I think you
were here when Blake Bortles they opened his and it
was fantastic, So these are pretty cool. I'm not going
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to say that I'm going to learn very much about
football this weekend because of the nature of it. But
it will be cool to allow the fans to watch
these guys run around and to sort of feel what
we're feeling, which is a lot of excitement.
Speaker 6 (13:34):
Yeah, there's a lot of I mean, there's a lot
of buzz around it. I love the fact that it's
open to the public, that Jacks fans will get an
opportunity to just kind of see the buzz that has
been created inside the walls, like just kind of see
that play out. And even though it's a Ricky Manning
caamp and look it doesn't mean anything, it's the first
exposure to a new way of really.
Speaker 4 (13:55):
Being able to see how the Jack Warts are going
to do things.
Speaker 6 (13:58):
And I know we had the veteran mini camp a
couple of weeks ago right before the draft, but this
is different because now you begin to put together you
can get excited about the draft picks and those things.
It's a really cool deal and I'm really excited about it.
I'm really excited to kind of see and hear how
the young guys are doing and then we're able to
put it all together for the big mini camp that's
when we're able to kind of got to really get
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a sense of what this team is at this point
in time when it comes to the smilestone of the
off season program.
Speaker 5 (14:24):
I think I ask you this every year, Bucky, but
I love the questions. I always come back to it.
You know, every scout I've ever known, and I've known
my share, has talked about the little feeling in the
pit of your stomach on that rookie mini camp when
you want to make sure your guys are and you
don't want to be walking off with the GM going
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what was that?
Speaker 3 (14:46):
Buck?
Speaker 5 (14:48):
I know, No, have you ever come close to that?
Do you know anybody who's felt that? And I mean
sometimes a guy gets in and you just know he
doesn't belong and it happens. You name.
Speaker 4 (15:05):
I can I can tell you distinctly right now.
Speaker 6 (15:09):
When I was in Seattle, Chris McIntosh and offensive Taco
from Wisconsin first round pick. I think he is now
the a d at the University of Wisconsin, so he's
going about his life, work and then great things. But
that first day of minicamp, I think there was a
collective all right, okay, like let's let's see yeah, listen,
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let's see if it.
Speaker 4 (15:35):
Maybe it's the first day, maybe it changes.
Speaker 6 (15:38):
But yeah, the first thing that you look at when
you are a scout is come on, man, show up.
Speaker 4 (15:44):
Just give me a reason, Just give me a.
Speaker 6 (15:46):
Little give me a little flash so everyone can be like, Okay, god, okay,
I'll see why you liked.
Speaker 4 (15:51):
Him a little bit.
Speaker 6 (15:52):
Uh. Yeah, Chris McIntosh, he.
Speaker 4 (15:59):
Is the one. He is actually, yeah, he is a
D a D at Wisconsin. We took him.
Speaker 6 (16:06):
God, what was that first round my first draft? Yeah,
two thousand. He played parstitution and had a neck injury.
But yeah, that first one not great, not great.
Speaker 3 (16:20):
So now, of course the Jaguars have nine draft picks,
still have what twenty undrafted players.
Speaker 2 (16:26):
In the past, they've had some invited place.
Speaker 5 (16:27):
It's twenty two now twenty two they added. But it's
a lot, I mean, and I was guya spucky about
that philosophy. We may have talked to about it last week,
but we have the Huddle Up podcast, we have Bucky.
Speaker 4 (16:37):
Brooks k.
Speaker 5 (16:39):
They clearly left space roster spots and real opportunity spots,
and by that I mean not necessarily there are spots
for undrafted rookies to come in and play. Sometimes when
these undrafted rookies get signed. They get signed, but you
sort of look at the depth chart, guys alround and say, well, look,
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I know who's playing over there. How unusual is that?
How real is that? For James Gladstone to have done
that basically saying, hey, were it's okay for undrafted rookies.
We embrace that. It's a philosophical organizational thing, right.
Speaker 6 (17:18):
James glass On and those guys have talked about like
the importance of playing the young players, and we early
on the podcast talked about from an economical standpoint, it
makes a lot of sense to get the young guys
on the field. But to do that, you got to
remove the veterans from those position rooms, because veteran coaches
will go to the older players, because those guys can
answer the questions, they can trust them on the field
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because they've been around the block. When you don't put
those guys in the room, and you force the coaches
to play the young guys, well, now they got to
build a report and trust that the young guys are
going to get it. They're gonna make it where it's
in their best interesting to get the young guys ready
to play because're gonna have to play them. The other
thing that you have to do is not only from
a philosophical standpoint, but from a schematic standpoint. You have
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to make make sure that the schemes are easily digestible
by the young players, because the only way they can
get on the field is they got to know what
they're doing. And so in building the playbook, it has
to be catered to the young guys so that they
can be ready to play when we get to not
only the preseason, but the regular season. It has to
be a situation where the front office and coaching staff
are on lockstep, and from the outside looking at it
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does appear that the Jaguars are committed to getting young
guys on the field and all of the things that
they're doing when it comes to the percidial part of it,
but also in practicality in terms of how they going
about it.
Speaker 5 (18:33):
Yeah, when you're going to invest in the quarterback and
then you know when you decide what kind of team
you're going to be. Remember in one when the Colts
fired Jim More when I was there and they brought
in Tony Dungee, Well, they looked at their roster and
they knew Peyton Manning, Marvin Harrison, reg Y Wayne was
coming up date Edwin money was on that side of
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the ball. That wasn't going to change. They weren't trading
Peyton JP, you know that. So when they brought in
Tony Dungee with a four to three cover two, which
is an easier scheme for rookies to play than the
three four zone blitz was what it was called back then,
they went with basically seaball get ball play cover two,
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and you didn't need experienced linebackers who knew how to
play zone blitz or who knew complex schemes. So Freenye
and Robert Mathis came along as kids, and they made
their offense, I mean, I made their defense based on
that and really didn't pay anybody in the back end
because you didn't need veterans to play that scheme.
Speaker 3 (19:32):
Yeah, and theory, you're gonna be up by two touchdowns
a lot of weeks anyway.
Speaker 2 (19:35):
That's that kind of offense.
Speaker 5 (19:37):
That's how you build philosophically toward that. I don't know
that that's exactly what this is, Bucky, but in theory,
that's what you're doing is catering scheme to your personnel
and you and your salary.
Speaker 6 (19:51):
Cap yeah, and and and and to me, it makes
a lot of sense. And I would say from a
schematic standpoint, we've heard the team talk about being a
little more zone base, a little more vision and break
bas having known the scheme that they're talking about implementing
and what they want to do.
Speaker 4 (20:06):
It is one that look.
Speaker 6 (20:07):
Has its roots in the college game, and so there
have been a lot of people that have been able
to take that system and get guys ready to play
and get after it. And so I'm excited to see
how it plays out. Defensively it makes sense. Then offensively
it may be a little what I call higher education
stuff like it may have more thinking and processes in
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place where you have to be able to get after
the young guys should be able to absorb it. But
I definitely believe from a defensive standpoint it is more
of a seaball get ball defense then maybe we've seen
in the past, even though we've heard those terms coined before,
more believing that this might have a chance to be
able to get that done.
Speaker 2 (20:48):
John, what do you want to see from Travis Hunter
this weekend?
Speaker 5 (20:52):
I guess I just want to see, you know, I
want to see how he carries himself. I think we
already know what we're going to see. It's just kind
of cool to see it in person. It was, I mean,
the most vivid memory I have in fifteen years of
being here where you saw a guy and you went, well, okay,
that's why they drafted him. Blackman had an element of
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that because of the hands, but I can remember Jalen's
first day and you sort of knew, oh, okay, well
this is different, and you knew they weren't gonna play
any games with Okay, he's going to earn the job,
you know. So I think you just want to see.
You want to see him pop off the page, which
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I'm sure he will, but that's what was advertised, is
the YouTube sensation, the guy that your eyes are going
to be drawn to. I think it's fair to expect that.
Speaker 4 (21:44):
Bucky.
Speaker 6 (21:46):
Look, we should be able to see the energy right away.
I think the one thing that he does is he
comes with a.
Speaker 4 (21:54):
Lot of energy.
Speaker 6 (21:55):
His love of the ball and his enthusiasm kind of
stands out. You want to see and feel that because
what happens is, you know we talk about they call
them thermostat leaders like they changed the temperature of the
room whenever they step into it.
Speaker 4 (22:09):
Travis Hunter has that.
Speaker 6 (22:10):
Feel to him, and as he brings the energy, those
around him are also going to match that energy and
it just changes the ten and the dynamics of the team.
Want to see some of that from him, but you
also want to see these other guys, the young guys,
we always call it flashes.
Speaker 4 (22:26):
Can they just.
Speaker 6 (22:27):
Flash a little bit of that ability and talent that
really led you to put them in consideration as a
draftable player or even as a candidate that you wanted
to size as an undrafted free agent. Can you see
some of those redeeming qualities and traits show up right away?
And are there some things there that you can build
upon where you can project out how they may develop.
Speaker 3 (22:48):
Over the course of the summer, And let's see what
they're actually made to do on the field as well.
I mean, remember years ago it was they had eleven
on eleven work and that's when Dante Faller was in
that first rookie mini camp that was ended that.
Speaker 6 (23:05):
Some of that, some of that, some of that stuff happens,
but like, hey, yeah, we can't put them in bubble
wrap at some point.
Speaker 2 (23:10):
But we gotta go now, I will go, I.
Speaker 4 (23:16):
Will say, because here's the thing.
Speaker 6 (23:18):
When you get them around, you just don't know the
level of conditioning where all these guys are. Because some
guys have been on the uh banquet circuit kind of
going around eating, we don't know if they've been doing
their regular workouts.
Speaker 4 (23:30):
Other guys have been grinding all the way through.
Speaker 6 (23:32):
Sometimes the mini camp is a general assessment to be
able to have the coaches, particularly the strength and conditioning coaches,
assess where they are and to be able to tell
the players, hey, here's where we need to get to
by the time we're at the end of May. We
need to kind of work up your conditioning. Here's the program.
Let's get some of these things accomplished so we can go.
(23:54):
So there is something to not jumping right in eleven
on eleven having an assessment. But maybe you can give
the people just a little tasty cake, like a little
just a little a little snippet maybe just like a
little four polace sequences where we kind of see a
little ball.
Speaker 4 (24:09):
So we can get excited.
Speaker 6 (24:10):
So John can can kind of monitor the completions, the incompletions,
the touchdowns.
Speaker 4 (24:16):
Some of those.
Speaker 5 (24:16):
Clips there will be no monitoring. I want to watch
Hunter and Too and run far and fast a couple
of times, and then I'm gonna.
Speaker 2 (24:25):
Go home offense and reps on defense.
Speaker 5 (24:31):
I also think you will see uh, Caleb Ransaw and
the Navy safety lane.
Speaker 4 (24:41):
Wait.
Speaker 5 (24:42):
I think you can see from those positions some agility,
some suddenness. I'd be surprised from what I know of
Ransow if he doesn't show up ready to go. Uh.
I think all these guys, I mean, I think you'll
see all these guys as guys who come in ready.
Most players don't come in that, you know, not ready
for this anymore, especially passed the first round. It's all
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the story Fred Taylor told us where Fred basically went
off and did nothing for two months, ran a four
to two nine at his pro day, and then came back.
And you know, he has told me stories. He had
quite a banquet circuit.
Speaker 2 (25:20):
YEA love I love the banquet circuit.
Speaker 5 (25:24):
Well, JP is the king of the banquet circuit.
Speaker 2 (25:28):
I'm all about it.
Speaker 3 (25:29):
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Speaker 2 (25:46):
Phase two is upon us.
Speaker 3 (25:49):
Players are running our own without helmets out there as
we speak. The veteran players and the rookies will be
here this weekend and football is in full go.
Speaker 5 (25:58):
She's thinking, JP, I saw Sticks the coliseum forty six
years ago. Wow, I'm probably not.
Speaker 2 (26:04):
Going to go back, going back to check him out.
Speaker 5 (26:06):
I'm not going to see the next time around.
Speaker 4 (26:08):
You don't see if you don't want to see, if Da've.
Speaker 5 (26:10):
Improved, improved, new material waiting to spring out this years
of experience. It was the Pieces of Eight tour. So
I think it's yeah, it was.
Speaker 4 (26:22):
It was.
Speaker 5 (26:22):
It was a good ship. I enjoyed it to see
it again.
Speaker 6 (26:26):
About talk about forty years ago, you're talking about fourteen
year old Bucky Brooks just kind of hanging out, trying
to trying.
Speaker 4 (26:31):
To put it together.
Speaker 6 (26:32):
I don't know if my American bandstand watching days were
in full effect that.
Speaker 5 (26:37):
Unfortunately, it was forty six years ago.
Speaker 2 (26:40):
I was three years old.
Speaker 5 (26:42):
It was seventy. Yeah, forty any great version of Renegade
that night? I do remember that.
Speaker 6 (26:50):
Yeah, the eight year old me was definitely not not
into it.
Speaker 4 (26:54):
Is that the same Renegade? Did they play in Pistas?
Speaker 5 (26:56):
The same one? Same one? It was, And sadly for me,
it was on the radio at the time, it was
a hit.
Speaker 2 (27:03):
At the time.
Speaker 5 (27:05):
I enjoyed it.
Speaker 2 (27:06):
It was fun.
Speaker 5 (27:07):
I remember.
Speaker 2 (27:07):
It was what they call classic rock.
Speaker 5 (27:09):
It hits hits, classic rock. It's old man's rock.
Speaker 3 (27:13):
Bucky, this is what I have to deal with every day.
And are you coming for rookie Camp? Come on, Bucky,
get over here.
Speaker 4 (27:19):
I'm surprised. You never know, man, you never know.
Speaker 6 (27:21):
I made show up on Saturday morning fresh off of
Red Eye.
Speaker 2 (27:23):
Woop, hop on that PJ and get over here, come on.
Speaker 4 (27:26):
Right ready to go full Like, what's the weather? I
got to make sure it's not too hot because I can't.
Speaker 2 (27:31):
Go with this too Florida. Bro come on, it's always.
Speaker 4 (27:34):
I can't kidding me and go with it's too hot.
I need to make sure to Let's look.
Speaker 2 (27:37):
At the weather forecast eighty one on Saturday.
Speaker 4 (27:40):
Oh what's the amidity like? Though? You know that that
that meant that matters.
Speaker 5 (27:43):
More hasn't been bad yet.
Speaker 2 (27:44):
Really, No, it hasn't.
Speaker 3 (27:47):
What's it now, I'm looking at today humidity currently at
fifty six percent.
Speaker 6 (27:52):
Not bad, it's dangerous. It's dangerous. I might be in
a full on sweat from the core to the mick.
Speaker 3 (28:01):
Yeah, yet that's your when you get like seventy seventy
five percent and.
Speaker 5 (28:05):
Your talking it's training camp stuff there.
Speaker 4 (28:07):
Yeah, I might may have to up enough.
Speaker 6 (28:11):
No, I may have to call in the favors see
if they can move to those practices to six to eight, six.
Speaker 5 (28:14):
Am to eighty before comes. Talk about the banquet circuit, we.
Speaker 2 (28:22):
Can get that.
Speaker 6 (28:22):
I'm not fully I'm not fully leaded up in in
season shape. I need to kind of ramp that up
a little bit.
Speaker 5 (28:27):
It sounds like he's around the bank.
Speaker 2 (28:29):
Does sound like that? No, the draft, that's basically have
one big banquet circuit.
Speaker 4 (28:34):
Pre driving big bankers circuit.
Speaker 6 (28:36):
Yes, we're already looking ahead to twenty twenty six to quarterbacks, quarterbacks,
a lot of quarterbacks.
Speaker 3 (28:41):
Golden we talked about and he hadn't thrown a pass yet.
Speaker 6 (28:45):
Yeah, there are a lot of guys now, I mean
there are a lot of guys to watch. I mean,
you got arch Man and who everyone is talking about
like he's only played started two games, but he is
the presumptive QB one of the class.
Speaker 4 (28:55):
We'll see.
Speaker 6 (28:56):
Then you have Drew Aller from Penn State. You have
a little more sell from South Carolina, who's a dude.
You have Garrett Neussmar from LSU who is certainly coming on.
Speaker 4 (29:08):
You have public Enemy number one, Nico who is at
u c l A.
Speaker 6 (29:13):
He's probably give me a number one, but he's in
the mix. I mean, you have a really got nice talent.
You got nice election of quarterbacks that are coming through.
Speaker 3 (29:21):
Tell you what, Penn Station's gonna be tough to beat
this year. They're the team. They're the team. They got
a bunch of guys back Penn.
Speaker 6 (29:28):
States to my Knowles, Jim Knowles, Jim Knowles in the
defense coming Like what about Alabama?
Speaker 4 (29:37):
Alabama didn't have a transfer. It's great.
Speaker 2 (29:41):
They have a new quarterback whoever that's gonna be.
Speaker 4 (29:44):
Got Georgia got the Gators coming. Gators are coming on,
like game bus Texas.
Speaker 6 (29:51):
This should be good, should be fun function.
Speaker 3 (29:54):
It should be fun. Times should be We got a
long way to go. Long off season of tracking stats.
Bucky will talk to you again next week.
Speaker 6 (30:04):
If I don't see you Saturday, Yeah, next week it
would be.
Speaker 3 (30:08):
We'll do a special one of these if you show
up on Saturday.
Speaker 2 (30:12):
I love that. Bucky Brooks, John Osier, m J P.
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Speaker 2 (00:37):
Of activity this week.
Speaker 3 (00:39):
Bucky Brooks is in Los Angeles, California.
Speaker 2 (00:42):
Not quite as busy there.
Speaker 3 (00:43):
I'm sure you're busy, Bucky, but you know, at least
the building you're in.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
I don't know what's up. How are you, Buck?
Speaker 4 (00:49):
I'm good man.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
What's going on?
Speaker 4 (00:51):
Guys? How you doing?
Speaker 2 (00:51):
Oh good? Ready for some football things?
Speaker 5 (00:54):
Football talk talkball, A lot.
Speaker 3 (00:55):
A lot of ball talking coming up, including rookie Minni
Caamp coming up this weekend.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
That here in just a little bit.
Speaker 4 (01:02):
But news.
Speaker 3 (01:02):
On Wednesday, the Jaguars have released wide receiver Gabe Davis
with a post June first designation.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
The dead cap number this year will be five.
Speaker 3 (01:12):
Point seven million dollars and next year twenty twenty six
fourteen point six million dollars. Had twenty catches for two
hundred and thirty nine yards on a three year, thirty
nine million dollar deal.
Speaker 5 (01:24):
John Yeah goes up there with you know, Laurent Robinson
and you know different free agent signings over the years
that discompletely didn't work out, And you know, it's funny
talking about this one. Buck It's it's huge news, but
at the same time, it's not because he never factored
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last year. I don't even think if he'd been back,
he was going to factor this year. So it's it's
I'm not sure his I don't know what his knee
situation is going to be, but it just never felt
like he was going to be a huge part of it.
So it's news to but Bucket doesn't matter that much.
I'm not trying to detegrate him. But for the team, Okay,
good move on.
Speaker 6 (02:07):
I would say this, and I want to be very
respectful and talking about it like it's a move that
needed to be made. It was a move that probably
could have been made based on behaviors and attitudes.
Speaker 4 (02:16):
Last year, it didn't work out.
Speaker 6 (02:18):
It didn't work on the field, it didn't work off
the field. Anyone who has been in the building, been
around the team, understood the dynamics of why it didn't
work out. Just wasn't a good fit. And the reason
why I would applaud this move is everything that Liam
con James Gladstone, and Tony Boselli have talked about. They
followed through on when they talk about and we laughed
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when they talk about guys that fit in with the ecosystem,
guys that really fit in the locker room. We are
seeing they are unafraid of removing people who they don't
deem to be good fits. And in the first year
of a what we call a rebuild rebuilding.
Speaker 4 (02:54):
Process, that's what you want to do.
Speaker 6 (02:56):
The first thing that you have to do is get
all the people on the bus that fit culturally, and
then you figure out which way you want to drive
the bus. But you got to get the right people
on the bus. And I think this is part of
the process of making sure that you get the right
folks in the locker room, the right folks believing in
whatever the ethos of the team is, and then they
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go about taking care of business in appropriate fashion.
Speaker 5 (03:19):
Yeah, I know it's news that everybody in the outside
is gonna be talking about today. And I feel like,
since we have the whole lot of podcast under the
Jaguars three as after it happened, that we should talk
about it more. But as I say at the top,
I don't have that much to say on it because
I didn't really think that much about how he was
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going to fit, because I don't think he was going
to be a huge part of it. I didn't know
about the I was not sure how much the knee
was going to allow him to be, and it just
never felt like he was going to be part of this.
I wish him well, I didn't know him very well,
so I have no ill feelings. It's just I don't
think he is going to be part of this, so
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I don't think it matters very much from a football perspective.
That's why I said earlier. I was not trying to
say go get out of here. I don't we know.
Just it was time to just go ahead and move
on to what this was going to be, not what
it was.
Speaker 3 (04:15):
So here's what's remaining on the wide receiver room for
the Jaguars. Of course, Brian Thomas Junior heard of him
decent rookie season a year ago. Do Yammy Brown signed
in free agency, Joshua Cephis on the roster, Austin Trammel
on the roster, Parker Washington, David White Junior all on
the roster, and of course Travis Hunter will be coming
in for rookie mini camps starting Thursday on the field
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Friday Saturday, actually walking in graduation Thursday, but on the
field slated to be Friday and Saturday.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
That's the wide receiver room.
Speaker 5 (04:43):
I think you covered Yammy Brown at the top, right, Well, yeah,
it's Yammy Brown, Brian Thomas Junior, Travis Hunter, Oh yeah,
him and Parker Washington at at number four, and then
figure out the rest and there's opportunit unity there, Bucky,
I don't necessarily, you know, it feels like option open
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at some point if they look around and say, you
know what, none of the other five are moving up,
that you could go veteran reasonably priced guy with that
really is scared to do anything. I know they all
so like and his name's going to escape me. The
wide receiver from Elon that they signed in a free agency.
They feel like a guy like that could be part
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of this toobe in collegiate free agency.
Speaker 6 (05:33):
I'm sorry, no, I look, I think there are a
lot of things that are at play. I think short term,
everyone is going to be excited about Brian Thomas Junior,
Travis Hunt or Park of Washington, and Deany Brown all
getting an opportunity to play, and I think that should
be a reasonable cause for excitement. But I think long term,
this is about setting the table and the budget sheep
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for the quarterback about to make a lot of money.
When the quarterback makes a ton of money, you have
to find a way to get cheaper around the quarterback
to be able to do it. And so even though
Brian Thomas Junion and Travis Hunter our first round picks
on the books, their contracts are relatively cheap.
Speaker 4 (06:09):
When you look at the.
Speaker 6 (06:09):
Cost of doing business for an elite wide out at
thirty million plus, Well, now you have two guys at
cost control for the next two to three years before
you have to maybe address their contract situations. While Trevor
is creeping into the bulk of a big deal, you
also have a young player at Parker Washington. He will
kind of determine how long he stays around the program
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based on how he plays the performance in production.
Speaker 4 (06:35):
Jemmy Brown, I think you're on a one year deal.
We'll see.
Speaker 6 (06:38):
And so what you have is you have a foundation
in place to allow Trevor to make a lot of
money with good players around him who are still on
cost control deals that allow you to build the rest
of the team. This had to happen because if not,
your team would be lopsided where you have all of
the money devoted to the offense left to the defense,
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and it's really really hard to go about building a
championship contender in that way.
Speaker 5 (07:05):
Yeah, if you look at it like that, JP, I
know Gabe Davis will be dead money on the cap,
but in terms of guys running around on the field,
I think this year Jeam May Brown's ten million dollar
contract for this year will be the most expensive that
they're paying that. Maybe Travis Hunter being the number two
overall could creep into that, but it within NFL cost
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It's a very affordable group of skill players. When you
throw Brenton Strange still on rookie deal, all of the
backs on rookie deals Travis, I think in twenty five
because you know, we'll make I.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
Think he's making six or seven, because yeah.
Speaker 5 (07:46):
It's still not above ten. So except for Trevor, it's
pretty affordable.
Speaker 3 (07:52):
Yeah, And to your point, Bucky, it's Trevor costs seventeen
against the cap this year, twenty four million against the
cap in twenty six, thirty five million against the cap
in twenty twenty seven, so you basically double it in
two years.
Speaker 4 (08:05):
Yeah, I mean that's significant. And what you want to
do is you always want to.
Speaker 6 (08:09):
Be ahead of the curve and the dynamics of a
front office work in this manner. The head coach thinks
about today, the general manager thinks about tomorrow and beyond,
and so they're working together to figure out how can
I put the best team on the field today while
also having an eye towards tomorrow. So some of these
moves that we're seeing may are really with an eye
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towards tomorrow. And when you hear James Gladstone talk about
the importance of getting the young guys on the field,
that also is part of being able to reward a
handful of stars because we look up Javon Walker is
going to be do a deal on the horizon and
you're gonna have to take care of him.
Speaker 4 (08:49):
And you already have Josh ees.
Speaker 6 (08:51):
Allen on the books and you're looking at the big
deals that could be in play.
Speaker 4 (08:55):
Tyson Campbell makes.
Speaker 6 (08:56):
A significant amount of money as you rewarding your stars,
and a lot of these stars are drafting developmental stars
that have kind of earned the right to get those
big paydays. You have to surround them with young players
on the cheat that can play at a high level.
That is where that that a front office a is
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nudging the coaching staff. Hey, we've got to get the
young guys on the field because these young guys are
going to have to be lynch pins to our ability
to play at a high level with a handful of
stars carrying a significant amount of water. This is all
part of the building process. But look I can apply
to because they've jumped right in. You can tell that
there is a plan in place. Now it's about the
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execution of the plan, and you hope that the plan
that we're scripting on paper plays out really, really well
when it comes to play real ball.
Speaker 4 (09:46):
Between the lines.
Speaker 5 (09:47):
Yeah, it's it's too bad. And I've said this before
and people who don't like, you know, people observers, emailers
who don't like the last regime don't like when I
say this. I love the last regime did a nice
job managing the cap until off season. And I've said
this before. They're now trying to fix some stuff that
happened last off season when I thought the old regime
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react reacted to twenty three and did some things out
of character even for that regime with the Gabe Davis
and you know, some of the one year's stuff that
they're having to deal with. And but that's sort of bucky.
When you take over, as this regime took over, there
are details you have to clean up, and sometimes those
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deals are painful. They gave Davis thing on the Caps painful,
But as you said, you get through it and you
move on and you try to keep it as clean
as possible, and then one day you wake up and
the old regime's mistakes are in the past.
Speaker 4 (10:47):
It is really one of those things.
Speaker 6 (10:49):
And here's the thing about like when you have a
team in an organizational philosophy, good years, bad years, or whatever,
you still don't change your approach to it. You can
rectify some mistakes, but you don't radically overhaul the way
that you go about doing business, because when you make mistakes,
when you make decisions out of desperation, you're more likely
to make mistakes. And now we're having to recover from
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some of the free agent mistakes that were made, and
it'll hurt us in the short term, but it is
better to address it now and not that it linger
deal with whatever you have to deal with, salary cap ramifications,
some of the I'll say, maybe discord or shock that
may happen in the locker room, and then move forward,
because the only way to get this team headed in
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the right direction is you're gonna have to make some
hard decisions. And look, there's been a willingness right now
by the new regime to make these tough decisions.
Speaker 5 (11:41):
Yeah, I think the locker room shock will be pretty manimal.
Speaker 3 (11:44):
Exactly, and in general, heart they better get used to
it because there's gonna be a lot of change in
that locker room. It's just how it's gonna be moving ahead.
Competition is one of the key words the new season.
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Speaker 5 (12:02):
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Speaker 3 (12:08):
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Rookie Minni Caamp coming up this weekend Friday and Saturday
on the grass. The players starting to arrive today. They'll
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be in the building tomorrow for physicals, first meetings, and
then on the field. As we said, Friday and Saturdays
will be open to the public. Travis Hunter not sure
if his travel schedule, but he'll be walking across the
stage for commencement at the University of Colorado. I believe
on Thursday anthropology degree.
Speaker 2 (12:51):
John Anthropology.
Speaker 5 (12:53):
I admit, Bucky, I am sort of excited about this
rookie Meedi Camp. I don't either say that a whole lot,
but when there's an energy there, when the fans are
out to see a particular player, JP, I think you
were here when Blake Bortles they opened his and it
was fantastic, So these are pretty cool. I'm not going
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to say that I'm going to learn very much about
football this weekend because of the nature of it. But
it will be cool to allow the fans to watch
these guys run around and to sort of feel what
we're feeling, which is a lot of excitement.
Speaker 6 (13:34):
Yeah, there's a lot of I mean, there's a lot
of buzz around it. I love the fact that it's
open to the public, that Jacks fans will get an
opportunity to just kind of see the buzz that has
been created inside the walls, like just kind of see
that play out. And even though it's a Ricky Manning
caamp and look it doesn't mean anything, it's the first
exposure to a new way of really.
Speaker 4 (13:55):
Being able to see how the Jack Warts are going
to do things.
Speaker 6 (13:58):
And I know we had the veteran mini camp a
couple of weeks ago right before the draft, but this
is different because now you begin to put together you
can get excited about the draft picks and those things.
It's a really cool deal and I'm really excited about it.
I'm really excited to kind of see and hear how
the young guys are doing and then we're able to
put it all together for the big mini camp that's
when we're able to kind of got to really get
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a sense of what this team is at this point
in time when it comes to the smilestone of the
off season program.
Speaker 5 (14:24):
I think I ask you this every year, Bucky, but
I love the questions. I always come back to it.
You know, every scout I've ever known, and I've known
my share, has talked about the little feeling in the
pit of your stomach on that rookie mini camp when
you want to make sure your guys are and you
don't want to be walking off with the GM going
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what was that?
Speaker 3 (14:46):
Buck?
Speaker 5 (14:48):
I know, No, have you ever come close to that?
Do you know anybody who's felt that? And I mean
sometimes a guy gets in and you just know he
doesn't belong and it happens. You name.
Speaker 4 (15:05):
I can I can tell you distinctly right now.
Speaker 6 (15:09):
When I was in Seattle, Chris McIntosh and offensive Taco
from Wisconsin first round pick. I think he is now
the a d at the University of Wisconsin, so he's
going about his life, work and then great things. But
that first day of minicamp, I think there was a
collective all right, okay, like let's let's see yeah, listen,
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let's see if it.
Speaker 4 (15:35):
Maybe it's the first day, maybe it changes.
Speaker 6 (15:38):
But yeah, the first thing that you look at when
you are a scout is come on, man, show up.
Speaker 4 (15:44):
Just give me a reason, Just give me a.
Speaker 6 (15:46):
Little give me a little flash so everyone can be like, Okay, god, okay,
I'll see why you liked.
Speaker 4 (15:51):
Him a little bit.
Speaker 6 (15:52):
Uh. Yeah, Chris McIntosh, he.
Speaker 4 (15:59):
Is the one. He is actually, yeah, he is a
D a D at Wisconsin. We took him.
Speaker 6 (16:06):
God, what was that first round my first draft? Yeah,
two thousand. He played parstitution and had a neck injury.
But yeah, that first one not great, not great.
Speaker 3 (16:20):
So now, of course the Jaguars have nine draft picks,
still have what twenty undrafted players.
Speaker 2 (16:26):
In the past, they've had some invited place.
Speaker 5 (16:27):
It's twenty two now twenty two they added. But it's
a lot, I mean, and I was guya spucky about
that philosophy. We may have talked to about it last week,
but we have the Huddle Up podcast, we have Bucky.
Speaker 4 (16:37):
Brooks k.
Speaker 5 (16:39):
They clearly left space roster spots and real opportunity spots,
and by that I mean not necessarily there are spots
for undrafted rookies to come in and play. Sometimes when
these undrafted rookies get signed. They get signed, but you
sort of look at the depth chart, guys alround and say, well, look,
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I know who's playing over there. How unusual is that?
How real is that? For James Gladstone to have done
that basically saying, hey, were it's okay for undrafted rookies.
We embrace that. It's a philosophical organizational thing, right.
Speaker 6 (17:18):
James glass On and those guys have talked about like
the importance of playing the young players, and we early
on the podcast talked about from an economical standpoint, it
makes a lot of sense to get the young guys
on the field. But to do that, you got to
remove the veterans from those position rooms, because veteran coaches
will go to the older players, because those guys can
answer the questions, they can trust them on the field
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because they've been around the block. When you don't put
those guys in the room, and you force the coaches
to play the young guys, well, now they got to
build a report and trust that the young guys are
going to get it. They're gonna make it where it's
in their best interesting to get the young guys ready
to play because're gonna have to play them. The other
thing that you have to do is not only from
a philosophical standpoint, but from a schematic standpoint. You have
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to make make sure that the schemes are easily digestible
by the young players, because the only way they can
get on the field is they got to know what
they're doing. And so in building the playbook, it has
to be catered to the young guys so that they
can be ready to play when we get to not
only the preseason, but the regular season. It has to
be a situation where the front office and coaching staff
are on lockstep, and from the outside looking at it
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does appear that the Jaguars are committed to getting young
guys on the field and all of the things that
they're doing when it comes to the percidial part of it,
but also in practicality in terms of how they going
about it.
Speaker 5 (18:33):
Yeah, when you're going to invest in the quarterback and
then you know when you decide what kind of team
you're going to be. Remember in one when the Colts
fired Jim More when I was there and they brought
in Tony Dungee, Well, they looked at their roster and
they knew Peyton Manning, Marvin Harrison, reg Y Wayne was
coming up date Edwin money was on that side of
(18:53):
the ball. That wasn't going to change. They weren't trading
Peyton JP, you know that. So when they brought in
Tony Dungee with a four to three cover two, which
is an easier scheme for rookies to play than the
three four zone blitz was what it was called back then,
they went with basically seaball get ball play cover two,
(19:14):
and you didn't need experienced linebackers who knew how to
play zone blitz or who knew complex schemes. So Freenye
and Robert Mathis came along as kids, and they made
their offense, I mean, I made their defense based on
that and really didn't pay anybody in the back end
because you didn't need veterans to play that scheme.
Speaker 3 (19:32):
Yeah, and theory, you're gonna be up by two touchdowns
a lot of weeks anyway.
Speaker 2 (19:35):
That's that kind of offense.
Speaker 5 (19:37):
That's how you build philosophically toward that. I don't know
that that's exactly what this is, Bucky, but in theory,
that's what you're doing is catering scheme to your personnel
and you and your salary.
Speaker 6 (19:51):
Cap yeah, and and and and to me, it makes
a lot of sense. And I would say from a
schematic standpoint, we've heard the team talk about being a
little more zone base, a little more vision and break
bas having known the scheme that they're talking about implementing
and what they want to do.
Speaker 4 (20:06):
It is one that look.
Speaker 6 (20:07):
Has its roots in the college game, and so there
have been a lot of people that have been able
to take that system and get guys ready to play
and get after it. And so I'm excited to see
how it plays out. Defensively it makes sense. Then offensively
it may be a little what I call higher education
stuff like it may have more thinking and processes in
(20:27):
place where you have to be able to get after
the young guys should be able to absorb it. But
I definitely believe from a defensive standpoint it is more
of a seaball get ball defense then maybe we've seen
in the past, even though we've heard those terms coined before,
more believing that this might have a chance to be
able to get that done.
Speaker 2 (20:48):
John, what do you want to see from Travis Hunter
this weekend?
Speaker 5 (20:52):
I guess I just want to see, you know, I
want to see how he carries himself. I think we
already know what we're going to see. It's just kind
of cool to see it in person. It was, I mean,
the most vivid memory I have in fifteen years of
being here where you saw a guy and you went, well, okay,
that's why they drafted him. Blackman had an element of
(21:15):
that because of the hands, but I can remember Jalen's
first day and you sort of knew, oh, okay, well
this is different, and you knew they weren't gonna play
any games with Okay, he's going to earn the job,
you know. So I think you just want to see.
You want to see him pop off the page, which
(21:35):
I'm sure he will, but that's what was advertised, is
the YouTube sensation, the guy that your eyes are going
to be drawn to. I think it's fair to expect that.
Speaker 4 (21:44):
Bucky.
Speaker 6 (21:46):
Look, we should be able to see the energy right away.
I think the one thing that he does is he
comes with a.
Speaker 4 (21:54):
Lot of energy.
Speaker 6 (21:55):
His love of the ball and his enthusiasm kind of
stands out. You want to see and feel that because
what happens is, you know we talk about they call
them thermostat leaders like they changed the temperature of the
room whenever they step into it.
Speaker 4 (22:09):
Travis Hunter has that.
Speaker 6 (22:10):
Feel to him, and as he brings the energy, those
around him are also going to match that energy and
it just changes the ten and the dynamics of the team.
Want to see some of that from him, but you
also want to see these other guys, the young guys,
we always call it flashes.
Speaker 4 (22:26):
Can they just.
Speaker 6 (22:27):
Flash a little bit of that ability and talent that
really led you to put them in consideration as a
draftable player or even as a candidate that you wanted
to size as an undrafted free agent. Can you see
some of those redeeming qualities and traits show up right away?
And are there some things there that you can build
upon where you can project out how they may develop.
Speaker 3 (22:48):
Over the course of the summer, And let's see what
they're actually made to do on the field as well.
I mean, remember years ago it was they had eleven
on eleven work and that's when Dante Faller was in
that first rookie mini camp that was ended that.
Speaker 6 (23:05):
Some of that, some of that, some of that stuff happens,
but like, hey, yeah, we can't put them in bubble
wrap at some point.
Speaker 2 (23:10):
But we gotta go now, I will go, I.
Speaker 4 (23:16):
Will say, because here's the thing.
Speaker 6 (23:18):
When you get them around, you just don't know the
level of conditioning where all these guys are. Because some
guys have been on the uh banquet circuit kind of
going around eating, we don't know if they've been doing
their regular workouts.
Speaker 4 (23:30):
Other guys have been grinding all the way through.
Speaker 6 (23:32):
Sometimes the mini camp is a general assessment to be
able to have the coaches, particularly the strength and conditioning coaches,
assess where they are and to be able to tell
the players, hey, here's where we need to get to
by the time we're at the end of May. We
need to kind of work up your conditioning. Here's the program.
Let's get some of these things accomplished so we can go.
(23:54):
So there is something to not jumping right in eleven
on eleven having an assessment. But maybe you can give
the people just a little tasty cake, like a little
just a little a little snippet maybe just like a
little four polace sequences where we kind of see a
little ball.
Speaker 4 (24:09):
So we can get excited.
Speaker 6 (24:10):
So John can can kind of monitor the completions, the incompletions,
the touchdowns.
Speaker 4 (24:16):
Some of those.
Speaker 5 (24:16):
Clips there will be no monitoring. I want to watch
Hunter and Too and run far and fast a couple
of times, and then I'm gonna.
Speaker 2 (24:25):
Go home offense and reps on defense.
Speaker 5 (24:31):
I also think you will see uh, Caleb Ransaw and
the Navy safety lane.
Speaker 4 (24:41):
Wait.
Speaker 5 (24:42):
I think you can see from those positions some agility,
some suddenness. I'd be surprised from what I know of
Ransow if he doesn't show up ready to go. Uh.
I think all these guys, I mean, I think you'll
see all these guys as guys who come in ready.
Most players don't come in that, you know, not ready
for this anymore, especially passed the first round. It's all
(25:05):
the story Fred Taylor told us where Fred basically went
off and did nothing for two months, ran a four
to two nine at his pro day, and then came back.
And you know, he has told me stories. He had
quite a banquet circuit.
Speaker 2 (25:20):
YEA love I love the banquet circuit.
Speaker 5 (25:24):
Well, JP is the king of the banquet circuit.
Speaker 2 (25:28):
I'm all about it.
Speaker 3 (25:29):
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Speaker 2 (25:46):
Phase two is upon us.
Speaker 3 (25:49):
Players are running our own without helmets out there as
we speak. The veteran players and the rookies will be
here this weekend and football is in full go.
Speaker 5 (25:58):
She's thinking, JP, I saw Sticks the coliseum forty six
years ago. Wow, I'm probably not.
Speaker 2 (26:04):
Going to go back, going back to check him out.
Speaker 5 (26:06):
I'm not going to see the next time around.
Speaker 4 (26:08):
You don't see if you don't want to see, if Da've.
Speaker 5 (26:10):
Improved, improved, new material waiting to spring out this years
of experience. It was the Pieces of Eight tour. So
I think it's yeah, it was.
Speaker 4 (26:22):
It was.
Speaker 5 (26:22):
It was a good ship. I enjoyed it to see
it again.
Speaker 6 (26:26):
About talk about forty years ago, you're talking about fourteen
year old Bucky Brooks just kind of hanging out, trying
to trying.
Speaker 4 (26:31):
To put it together.
Speaker 6 (26:32):
I don't know if my American bandstand watching days were
in full effect that.
Speaker 5 (26:37):
Unfortunately, it was forty six years ago.
Speaker 2 (26:40):
I was three years old.
Speaker 5 (26:42):
It was seventy. Yeah, forty any great version of Renegade
that night? I do remember that.
Speaker 6 (26:50):
Yeah, the eight year old me was definitely not not
into it.
Speaker 4 (26:54):
Is that the same Renegade? Did they play in Pistas?
Speaker 5 (26:56):
The same one? Same one? It was, And sadly for me,
it was on the radio at the time, it was
a hit.
Speaker 2 (27:03):
At the time.
Speaker 5 (27:05):
I enjoyed it.
Speaker 2 (27:06):
It was fun.
Speaker 5 (27:07):
I remember.
Speaker 2 (27:07):
It was what they call classic rock.
Speaker 5 (27:09):
It hits hits, classic rock. It's old man's rock.
Speaker 3 (27:13):
Bucky, this is what I have to deal with every day.
And are you coming for rookie Camp? Come on, Bucky,
get over here.
Speaker 4 (27:19):
I'm surprised. You never know, man, you never know.
Speaker 6 (27:21):
I made show up on Saturday morning fresh off of
Red Eye.
Speaker 2 (27:23):
Woop, hop on that PJ and get over here, come on.
Speaker 4 (27:26):
Right ready to go full Like, what's the weather? I
got to make sure it's not too hot because I can't.
Speaker 2 (27:31):
Go with this too Florida. Bro come on, it's always.
Speaker 4 (27:34):
I can't kidding me and go with it's too hot.
I need to make sure to Let's look.
Speaker 2 (27:37):
At the weather forecast eighty one on Saturday.
Speaker 4 (27:40):
Oh what's the amidity like? Though? You know that that
that meant that matters.
Speaker 5 (27:43):
More hasn't been bad yet.
Speaker 2 (27:44):
Really, No, it hasn't.
Speaker 3 (27:47):
What's it now, I'm looking at today humidity currently at
fifty six percent.
Speaker 6 (27:52):
Not bad, it's dangerous. It's dangerous. I might be in
a full on sweat from the core to the mick.
Speaker 3 (28:01):
Yeah, yet that's your when you get like seventy seventy
five percent and.
Speaker 5 (28:05):
Your talking it's training camp stuff there.
Speaker 4 (28:07):
Yeah, I might may have to up enough.
Speaker 6 (28:11):
No, I may have to call in the favors see
if they can move to those practices to six to eight, six.
Speaker 5 (28:14):
Am to eighty before comes. Talk about the banquet circuit, we.
Speaker 2 (28:22):
Can get that.
Speaker 6 (28:22):
I'm not fully I'm not fully leaded up in in
season shape. I need to kind of ramp that up
a little bit.
Speaker 5 (28:27):
It sounds like he's around the bank.
Speaker 2 (28:29):
Does sound like that? No, the draft, that's basically have
one big banquet circuit.
Speaker 4 (28:34):
Pre driving big bankers circuit.
Speaker 6 (28:36):
Yes, we're already looking ahead to twenty twenty six to quarterbacks, quarterbacks,
a lot of quarterbacks.
Speaker 3 (28:41):
Golden we talked about and he hadn't thrown a pass yet.
Speaker 6 (28:45):
Yeah, there are a lot of guys now, I mean
there are a lot of guys to watch. I mean,
you got arch Man and who everyone is talking about
like he's only played started two games, but he is
the presumptive QB one of the class.
Speaker 4 (28:55):
We'll see.
Speaker 6 (28:56):
Then you have Drew Aller from Penn State. You have
a little more sell from South Carolina, who's a dude.
You have Garrett Neussmar from LSU who is certainly coming on.
Speaker 4 (29:08):
You have public Enemy number one, Nico who is at
u c l A.
Speaker 6 (29:13):
He's probably give me a number one, but he's in
the mix. I mean, you have a really got nice talent.
You got nice election of quarterbacks that are coming through.
Speaker 3 (29:21):
Tell you what, Penn Station's gonna be tough to beat
this year. They're the team. They're the team. They got
a bunch of guys back Penn.
Speaker 6 (29:28):
States to my Knowles, Jim Knowles, Jim Knowles in the
defense coming Like what about Alabama?
Speaker 4 (29:37):
Alabama didn't have a transfer. It's great.
Speaker 2 (29:41):
They have a new quarterback whoever that's gonna be.
Speaker 4 (29:44):
Got Georgia got the Gators coming. Gators are coming on,
like game bus Texas.
Speaker 6 (29:51):
This should be good, should be fun function.
Speaker 3 (29:54):
It should be fun. Times should be We got a
long way to go. Long off season of tracking stats.
Bucky will talk to you again next week.
Speaker 6 (30:04):
If I don't see you Saturday, Yeah, next week it
would be.
Speaker 3 (30:08):
We'll do a special one of these if you show
up on Saturday.
Speaker 2 (30:12):
I love that. Bucky Brooks, John Osier, m J P.
Speaker 3 (30:15):
Shadwick our thanks to Brett Reever, Joe Fortunato, and thanks
to you for listening and watching Huddle Up with Bucky Brooks.
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