June 11, 2025 • 30 mins
The one and only Pete Prisco joins J.P. Shadrick, John Oehser and Bucky Brooks for the last episode of Huddle Up during the offseason. The crew demands more respect for Jaguars star wide receiver Brian Thomas Jr. and ponders the passing threat with the addition of 2025 second overall pick Travis Hunter. Later, they list off more intriguing storylines that've developed during OTAs and minicamp. All this and more on today's show presented by Fields Auto Group.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Welcome to Huddle Up, brought to you by the Fields
Huddle Group, Jaguar Senior writer.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
John Osher, NFL network analyst and former Jaguar Bucky Brooks,
and Senior reporter J. P.
Speaker 3 (00:14):
Shaddrick.
Speaker 4 (00:15):
Where you the latest on your Jacksonville Jaguars.
Speaker 3 (00:19):
Huddle Up starts right now.
Speaker 1 (00:21):
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is here. JP Shadwick, John Oser in the Hundai studios,
Bucky Brooks in Los Angeles, Pete Prisco in studio with
us today as well infiltrating the Bucky Brooks program.
Speaker 4 (00:43):
Well, a couple of things right off to that, Bucky
has his own show, Amazing Football. All these things out
to everybody in the.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
World To Bucky Brooks Podcast with special guest Bucky Brooks
and this week's special guest Bucky Brooks.
Speaker 4 (00:58):
Bucky bro I mean he did play on both sides
of the ball.
Speaker 3 (01:01):
Buck he did.
Speaker 4 (01:01):
Ca'se Anybody's wanted he did? He did.
Speaker 3 (01:03):
He was Travis before.
Speaker 4 (01:04):
Tramps and senior reporter What the hell are you reporting.
Speaker 3 (01:08):
I'm very senior, and I'm getting more senior by the day.
Speaker 4 (01:11):
I know that part, Buck, You've got to change the
title of it. I mean he was a reporter. I
was a reporter.
Speaker 1 (01:17):
J I just read commercials, brother, I don't know, man,
rip and read until we got here.
Speaker 3 (01:24):
Uh, Bucky, good afternoon. How about that intro?
Speaker 5 (01:27):
He look, man, I love you got my favorite guy
in the building, Pete Risco, the guy that we were
warned not to talk to when I was in Jacksonville.
But somehow, thirty years later, Pete Risco is still standing,
still made it.
Speaker 4 (01:39):
How many times did he warn you guys about talking
to me every meeting?
Speaker 6 (01:43):
I mean, I mean every now and then.
Speaker 3 (01:45):
Don't talk to.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
You?
Speaker 3 (01:49):
You you you?
Speaker 6 (01:51):
I mean we didn't.
Speaker 5 (01:52):
We didn't quite labor you rat poison, but it may
have been intimated.
Speaker 4 (01:58):
I take that as a compliment of honor. But rat poison.
Speaker 6 (02:04):
It's called me worse.
Speaker 7 (02:05):
Yes, he had, He's called me worse.
Speaker 1 (02:09):
So manatory Mini camp yesterday today and tomorrow today open
to the public. So a bunch of fans out there, Pete,
what'd you like the first couple of days?
Speaker 4 (02:18):
I mean, it's hard, it's underwear Olympics. You know, I
don't get excited about mini camp. And we always talked
about what was it?
Speaker 2 (02:26):
Was it Curtis Marsh, Well, yeah, there was many yeahs.
He single handedly destroyed Curtis Marsh. You single handedly destroyed.
Speaker 4 (02:37):
Curtis Marsh came here, he came here as and in the
first like weeks he's running around guys and everybody thought
he was starting to what they already yell at him.
Wait did he get bad and he disappeared? I mean
it happened. Johnny Morton didn't happen to him too.
Speaker 3 (02:50):
I think, I mean, it happened.
Speaker 4 (02:52):
It happens. That's why it's so hard to read into
these things. Now you can see picking up the scheme,
the receivers running the DB's. You know, the quarterback didn't
throw much today and I think maybe, you know, his
arm is he's obviously wearing to sleep, so maybe he's
getting worn out a little bit. I mean, it's not
just here by the way you go around, all the
quarterbacks arms are bombing.
Speaker 7 (03:13):
Well, because.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
It's a different world than what we grew up in
the NFLP You've got this time here that Bucky loves.
But it is to be throwing. They work a lot
this time of year, which they didn't used to do.
I personally don't think as much of this as necessary.
I think this is a more classroom time and that
we tend because it's out there on the field in
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front of us. JP's heard me say this a thousand times.
Because it's on the field in front of us, people
want us to evaluate it. And this is really a
learning time that you know, yes, have Trevor throw, but
the classroom is what matters this time of year. And
as boring as fans probably find the quote end install periods,
(04:02):
we can't analyze install periods, but if you rate the
level of importance, those install educational periods are why this
time of your matters.
Speaker 1 (04:11):
But there's a balance, Buckey, right, you still got to
get some work on the field and make it look right.
Speaker 6 (04:15):
Yeah, you still have to get it on the field
and make it look right.
Speaker 5 (04:18):
And you know these workhouts where there's OTA's or mini
camps like, they serve a few different purposes. One for
the coaches, it's it's a period of experimentation. A lot
of times coaches have been in the lab all offseason
working on concepts and things, and these practice sessions give
them a chance to see what it looks like on
tape whether they want to keep it, so they go
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through that the flesh it out to see if they.
Speaker 6 (04:41):
Want to install it in training camp.
Speaker 5 (04:44):
And then when it comes to the evaluation and the players,
you're trying to see who can pick up the things
that they're being taught in the classroom. Can they implement
those things into the field? Can they execute it? Do
they look like we thought they were going to look
when a guy coming from college making his way to
the pros. And then with the terans, where do we
feel like they are in their process when it comes
(05:04):
to year five, six or seven?
Speaker 6 (05:05):
Do we feel like they can contribute?
Speaker 5 (05:07):
So there are a lot of things working, but really
it all means nothing until we start playing preseason games
because the decisions are made really quickly once you get
into the season and they start playing games that kind of matter.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
It's very few times, Pete, that I've ever written in October.
So instead of running back co who what terrific?
Speaker 7 (05:25):
In June?
Speaker 4 (05:28):
It's just every surgery is a success, right right. Every
player's come back in the best shape of his life.
He's fitting perfectly. I mean, it's just it's the boys
of summer. That's what I call it.
Speaker 3 (05:39):
That's what this is, sweet till grind mode during the
dead people.
Speaker 4 (05:42):
Okay, let's for example, let's talk about the draft class.
A couple of the rookie running back to Can you
tell anything about him? We know he's fast. Can you
tell anything about his running ability? No, you can't because
he's not running with pads the safety ramsall. He's looked good,
he's good, made a great play today, It's going to
be a really good player. But until you put the
pads on bucket. You know this, if you start blasting
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people in it, well I say that because nobody hits
anybody anymore anyways. But you have no idea if these
guys can play football or not.
Speaker 6 (06:12):
No, you don't. And look, you want to keep everything
in perspective. But all we can talk about is what
we have for in front of us right now.
Speaker 5 (06:19):
Like I mean, can't blow up many camp and not
have people pay attention to what the Jags are doing now.
But you're right, none of this means anything until we
put the pass on for the skill guys. You can
get some of the timing done you can kind of
build the chemistry and connection. And to me, my focus
would be on Trevor Lawrence, what he looks like doing
the basics in this offense. How can they build it
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out to make it even more Number sixteen friendly.
Speaker 6 (06:43):
But yeah, like we won't see.
Speaker 5 (06:45):
The physicality the toughs until you put the pads on
and then really start making real assessments.
Speaker 6 (06:49):
Oh, who can and who can't play in this leap.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
There's a couple of things I believe you can see
this time of year if people want to get your
thoughts on these, If you're around it, which we've been
in which you got here today, you can get a
feeling of whether or not players believe in the direction.
And I never know how to define that, but you
can feel it and from talking to players, from being
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around this, they do believe in this, and I think
that matters very much tangibly, I think, which you can
see that's different to me, this receiver group.
Speaker 7 (07:25):
Might be the best overall.
Speaker 2 (07:28):
Receiver group has a chance to be the most special,
most dynamic. Keenan and Jimmy are a different world. They're
the legends of this franchise. So I can't compare the
top two to those two guys.
Speaker 7 (07:38):
But this receiver group, the way they move is different.
Speaker 4 (07:42):
They're all fast, yeah, everybody. And what did we talk
about all last year at JP No speed on offense?
There was. I mean, Brian Thomas could run, but he
was a kid early in his process.
Speaker 3 (07:51):
Everybody else was running.
Speaker 4 (07:52):
Everybody else nobody could run. Well, now they can run,
and everybody puts the fear into a defense. You got
to defend them differently. And when they come up and
they move him around, that's one of the best things
about him. I think, you know, nobody's in one spot.
They all move around. There's a lot of plays and
you see where they put him in motion before the
snap and get him going out into the route. I
love that because they were stagnant on offense. It was
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a very stagnant offense. And I think that's the biggest
difference is they can run now. And when you can run,
you know, look to compare anybody to Jimmy and Keen,
and they got a long way to go to get
to that.
Speaker 3 (08:22):
Do they have the.
Speaker 4 (08:22):
Potential to get to that? Those two guys have. Brian
Thomas is being cheated and I feel bad about that.
In a lot of ways. Travis Hunter is going to
be a great player. Don't get me wrong.
Speaker 3 (08:33):
I love him.
Speaker 4 (08:33):
I love everything I've seen from him. I've watched a
lot of his stuff. I watched him in college. I
love this game. But Brian Thomas is one. He's the
real deal. We talk about all time great receivers right
now in this league. You're talking about Jefferson and Chase.
This kid has a chance to be that, and he's
not getting talked about enough about it. And that's where
I think he's getting cheated a little bit. I think
he's going to get to that level. And look, Travis
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Hunter is going to be a great player too. But
let's not forget about Brian Thomas because I think right now,
if you ask me right now who the best rookie
receiver was that you're going which which of those guys
I would take before this before the draft? It wasn't him.
It was Belaite Neighbors. But I was not one of
those Mormon Harrison guys like everybody else, because I like suddenness.
I like guys who can go. Brian Thomas right there
with them. But right now, Brian Thomas is the best
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of that group.
Speaker 1 (09:19):
There's one way to get to that point, though, and
that's just play. I mean play and produce right, no
matter the noise around you right now.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
Right And as far as Brian Thomas Junior, that's absolutely
what he can do and JP, I believe it's what
he will do.
Speaker 7 (09:34):
And there's certain guys when you cover.
Speaker 2 (09:36):
The league that you can feel as rookies sort of
scratch the surface.
Speaker 7 (09:40):
And then you get the idea that they are ready to.
Speaker 2 (09:43):
Start taking over games and start being the reason that
teams excel. And the guy that I'm thinking of as
I say this was Bob Sanders and Indy. When I
covered him, he played about five or six games as
a rookie. But when you talk to people, this is
the cult safety from the mid two thousands. But when
you you talk to people in the offseason and when
you watched camp, there was a second year thing with
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this guy where all of a sudden, his second year
was two thousand and five, and the cult of defense
that year was the best in the league for during
the regular season because Bob accelerated and became a game
changing player. When they're great, that's what happens in their
second year because they all of a sudden get it.
(10:25):
There's many many other guys that you've seen do that,
But that's what BTJ feels like. He feels to me
like he's a guy who could get sixteen hundred yards
all pro that sort of mention. I'm not sure when
the last time we've had a guy I think Kalais
in seventeen was that level of this is a guy
who is.
Speaker 7 (10:44):
Lifting a franchise. BTJ has that field to me.
Speaker 4 (10:48):
And you know, you talk about the second year even
more so for wide receivers because usually in the first
year figuring it out, they're figuring it out, they're reading
on the run. There's not as plain as fast as
they normally would where they get more comfortable and again
it's a new so he's learning again, but he's much
more comfortable with the idea is of playing wide receiver
in the NFL.
Speaker 3 (11:05):
Bucky, how does a young player handle all this?
Speaker 6 (11:09):
Now?
Speaker 5 (11:09):
Look, I think John MP made great points most not
the biggest jump that a young player makes is from
year one to year two, because they now know the
league that they're in, they know how.
Speaker 6 (11:18):
To better prepare for the league.
Speaker 5 (11:20):
That development kicks in and they go from training for
the combine to really training for success on the field.
Speaker 6 (11:25):
So Brian Thomas Junior should make a huge leap.
Speaker 5 (11:29):
And going back to what was thrown out there in
terms of like Keenan and Jimmy and this being the
best wide receiver corp, potentially that the Jacks have happened.
Speaker 6 (11:36):
I would say yes.
Speaker 5 (11:37):
And I would say that even though Btj's not getting
the attention, I think around the league when they look
at the scouting report, I think the number one player
that they're going to put a dot on is going
to be Brian Thomas Junior because he's proven and he's established.
And I would say that Brian Thomas Junior is more
of the Jimmy Smith in this scenario. Travis Hunter is
more like Keenan, may be more dynamic, but more of
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the complement to the guy that's domain entre.
Speaker 6 (12:02):
Btj's domain entre. He's the number one.
Speaker 5 (12:05):
I think what if we if we stretch this out
and say a perfect world, what it looks like. It
looks like BTJ having fifteen hundred yards, Travis Hunter having
a thousand to eleven hundred yards and maybe more explosive plays.
But make no mistake, BTJ is the number one receiver
on this team.
Speaker 2 (12:22):
No matter how Travis Hunter gets, Keenan will still think
he's beat.
Speaker 3 (12:25):
That's what I say, Well more dynamic. We do love that.
Speaker 4 (12:29):
Travis Hunter might want to call Keenan up and ask
him how to run routes. Yeah, I mean Keenny. You
know that Bucky Keenan was one of the best route
runners this league has ever seen, and he's now one
of the best wide receiver coaches this league has ever seen.
So I think when you look at Travis Hunter, that's
the step for him is learning how to run routes.
It's clear when you watch him, the natural ability is there.
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I don't think he was ever taught to run routes.
I don't think anybody Colorado taught him how to run routes.
Speaker 6 (12:55):
No, I mean that was the big thing coming out.
Speaker 5 (12:57):
Like I would say this, like he is definitely more
of a playmaker than a precise route runner. He is
more of a get the ball in his hands and
let him go to work. And that's different and we
will see how that plays out. Particularly when they start
playing against good defensive backs, guys that are sound technically,
it could be a little harder for him to create
space whereas BTJ is smooth, fluid, polished, dynamic.
Speaker 6 (13:22):
He can do it all.
Speaker 5 (13:23):
He can take it off the top, he can run
the intermediate stuff. So he is what you typically want
as a number one, someone that can do it all.
Travis Hunter, to me, is a high end number two
that can make big plays, and he is going to
be a big play specialist. But I don't think he
has the skill set right now to be a number one.
Speaker 4 (13:45):
I think he's going to be Brook says, Jaguars trained
up number two to get a number two wide receive.
But you're sunning up.
Speaker 5 (13:55):
But Pete, even in that, I'm gonna be honest with you,
I thought he was a much better I thought he
had more potential to be a dominant player at cornerback
than at wide receiver. I think the reason why at
corner he can make things happen is because his ball
skills are unrivaled, Like I haven't seen anyone who can
catch the ball and make the plays that he naturally
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makes on defense.
Speaker 6 (14:18):
On offense, I always felt.
Speaker 5 (14:20):
Like he was a playmaker more so than a polished receiver.
And it's easy to get excited about what guys do
on offense. That's the nature of our league. But to me,
his value as in being a two way player more
so than just being a one way spot.
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Speaker 4 (14:45):
Get three, Number two, get number two wide receive. Can
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Speaker 3 (14:50):
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Speaker 1 (14:53):
Brooks, of course, Shatrick with John Osher. I love you,
Pete man, I really do.
Speaker 3 (15:00):
You know.
Speaker 1 (15:01):
We've got a lot to figure out in the fall
coming up about the programming and all that, but you're
gonna be back around.
Speaker 4 (15:09):
I just hope your dad likes me.
Speaker 6 (15:10):
No, that's.
Speaker 3 (15:13):
Hates with a capital H because.
Speaker 4 (15:17):
I take, but I take JP's airtime. His dad then takes.
Speaker 3 (15:21):
Shots unnecessary below the belt.
Speaker 4 (15:23):
Shots at you. Yeah, No, I don't.
Speaker 3 (15:27):
Yeah, that's true to love. Who doesn't?
Speaker 6 (15:30):
Uh?
Speaker 3 (15:30):
Defense?
Speaker 4 (15:32):
Yes, after what happened out there today, Mark Long might.
Speaker 1 (15:37):
Old boy defense? What stands out to you on the
defensive side? New scheme, A lot of new faces in
the secondary. But some guys who've been around here for
a number of years, they're lighter. We know that for
a fact.
Speaker 4 (15:52):
That nobody's throwing meat on the table. That's that's a
true story, by the way, But you know, you know
that story bucket coordinated throughous so stupid. That might be
one of the dumbest NFL stories I've ever heard in
my life. And well, the acts, I mean, we could
go yeah, but look, they're lighter, they're leaner. But more
(16:17):
than that, just watching them out there, they throw a
bunch of different looks at you. It's not And I
was talking to Josh lens Allen after practice and they
love it. They love it, and I think that's the
biggest difference. You know, they're lighter and leaner, and that's
going to help them with their speed and everything. But
you can do so many different things now. And I
thought they were predictable on defense. That was a predictable defense,
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and they weren't good. They had so many busted assignments
which just wreaked the poor coaching. No, they were bad.
It was a bad defense. This defense can be much
better now. There's things that have to happen for it
to be better, not just schematically. You can be great
all you want, but you got to have players play.
But I do think they're going to be better on
that side of the ball.
Speaker 2 (16:56):
Yeah, I think the intriguing thing because Campinelly, I think
is unbelievably good for this team, this roster, these players,
the amount that they believe in him, the way he's
connected to him, I think does matter very much. He
puts such an emphasis and this is important no matter
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what scheme you're playing, but when a coordinator emphasizes something,
it usually tends to rise up. And he puts such
an emphasis on getting off blocks and explosion at the
point of attack, and that's all he talks like, I
shouldn't say's all he talks about, but he emphasizes it
all the time. So I can't help but think that
they by default are going to be a half yard
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whatever the number is better against the run. If you
get a little better against the run, Josh Trayvon Eric
Armstead inside will be better. I just can't help but
think that this defense last year felt I hate the
word soft, but it couldn't stop the run in the
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moments where it needed to. It couldn't limit that if
it can limit that there's enough pass rush and you're
facing the quarterback in the secondary to create turnovers off
pass rush. I just can't help but think the defense
rises at least to mid way through the league when
they were the worst in the league last year.
Speaker 4 (18:22):
The run defense has been a problem around here for
a while. Let's be frank. I mean, it's just for
how many years now, It's been an issue for.
Speaker 6 (18:27):
A couple of years.
Speaker 4 (18:28):
They just don't stop the run. And when you don't
stop the run and you got beefy pass rushers, you're
not going to rush the passer very well.
Speaker 5 (18:34):
What it is, Look, it's a huge issue last year
because you can't get to the point where you want
to rush the passer because the run defense was so leaky,
and then when you give up big plays in the secondary,
you have no chance of being able to win. This
defense should be better because they're going to more of
a vision and break defense, more zone coverage, more eyes
on the ball that not only will help them close
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quicker to the balls that are thrown underneath, but it
also helps if the running hot hops, if they're able
to pop a big run, you have more guys that
can see it and they can get it down and
so it won't go to the house. It just seems
like the guys are really bought in right now to
what is being said on offense and defense.
Speaker 6 (19:13):
But you know, maybe it's the credibility.
Speaker 5 (19:15):
Maybe it's just the desire to want to be better
after such a horrific season last year.
Speaker 6 (19:21):
But it does appear that there's a.
Speaker 5 (19:22):
Connection between the players and the coaching staff, and the
scheme is gonna work because the players believe in what
the coaches are saying.
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Speaker 3 (19:44):
Two nights or should I have twain in July?
Speaker 6 (19:45):
By the way? Two nights?
Speaker 3 (19:47):
Not one, but two?
Speaker 4 (19:47):
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Speaker 3 (19:55):
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Speaker 6 (19:56):
What are you talking about, Pete?
Speaker 4 (19:57):
This doesn't look like you' ninth Wayne anymore?
Speaker 1 (19:58):
Okay, we'll find out. July twenty ninth and thirtieth. I
suppose he's not coming up for that one.
Speaker 4 (20:03):
I guess it's I actually like her music a little bit.
Speaker 7 (20:06):
First night.
Speaker 1 (20:07):
Second, we're trying to get Biselli's.
Speaker 3 (20:10):
Couch for that.
Speaker 4 (20:11):
But doesn't he have a sweet now?
Speaker 3 (20:13):
I'm sure whatever you want.
Speaker 4 (20:14):
You know, he's the kind of guy he used to
take advantage of everybody else's sweets and couches. He wouldn't
get anybody take advantage.
Speaker 1 (20:19):
No, no, no, no, you can't even get into his No,
no chance. What do you got coming up the rest
of the day, Peter, Are you here tomorrow as well?
Speaker 4 (20:25):
I'll be here tomorrow. I'm talking to the quarterback tomorrow.
Oh big yeah, Nick Mullens, Nick Mullens, Yeah yeah, Nick.
Those helium blues yesterday?
Speaker 3 (20:37):
Well then.
Speaker 4 (20:40):
He didn't have a great practice today.
Speaker 3 (20:43):
Offense overall, just no bad.
Speaker 4 (20:44):
Day for the offense. Bad day for the offense. I mean,
once Brian Thomas goes, I think kind of changes the
dynamic of the offense. Bit yeahtle bit. But I'm talking
to the quarterback tomorrow. Look, you guys know, it's all him.
It's on him. This team is going to go as
far as he goes. If he takes the strides and
gets better, it's gonna be a good football team. If
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he doesn't, they're gonna have questions about their decision to
pay him, and they're gonna have questions a quarterback. I
tend to agree that he'll take the move, the move
to go up. I think his mechanics have improved just
from watching what I've seen from him. Get his a
little quicker, shorter on the release, which I think he
needed to be. He's elongated, wind up is shortened a
little bit. If he goes to the next step, which
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I think he can do, then they're gonna be a
good football team. If he doesn't, then they got major
problems and major issues.
Speaker 2 (21:32):
And he doesn't even really have to be to me
in twenty twenty five, he doesn't have to be one
of the top two or three guys yet. Yeah, you know,
if he just takes that step and gets to where
I thought he was at the end of twenty two
and started twenty three, then they're fine.
Speaker 7 (21:51):
And if he accelerates past that, then look out, yeah you.
Speaker 4 (21:55):
Got you gotta get him into the top ten conversation
and right you know, right now he was in that
and now he kind of added the injury and everything's
kind of you know, outside of Jacksonville. The perception of
Trevor Larns isn't great. I'll be honest with you. And
Bucky knows. Bucky's out in LA He knows.
Speaker 6 (22:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (22:12):
I mean, look, there's a thing where when guys come
in because remember how he was held and portrayed coming
into the draft.
Speaker 6 (22:18):
He was talking about a generational talent.
Speaker 5 (22:20):
We thought he was going to be one of those
guys that quickly ascended to being a top five player.
Speaker 6 (22:25):
It hasn't happened like that.
Speaker 5 (22:26):
He's shown flashes of being the guy that some expected
him to be, but.
Speaker 6 (22:30):
He hasn't done it consistently.
Speaker 5 (22:31):
The one thing that you have to do as a
team once you made a decision to pay him is
let's make sure we give him every opportunity to be
the player that we want him to be. And the
money's the money. The other thing is getting him to
play that way. And so I think you've seen bigger receivers,
more explosive receivers, things that he was able to be
successful doing at Clemson.
Speaker 6 (22:51):
You'll see some of those things incorporated.
Speaker 5 (22:53):
But I think the best thing that Liam Corn has
been able to do being around it, he saw what
Sean McVeigh did for Jerick Goff, and then he personally
helped Baker Mayfield kind of take his.
Speaker 6 (23:03):
Game up a notch.
Speaker 5 (23:04):
And a lot of that was understanding who the quarterback
is and put them in a position.
Speaker 6 (23:09):
To only do the things that they do well.
Speaker 5 (23:11):
If they do those things with Trevor and quit trying
to make him be something that he's not, he'll have
an opportunity to have success. And so it's on the
coaches to find a way to make the quarterback right
because he's gonna be here for the next four.
Speaker 6 (23:23):
Or five years.
Speaker 2 (23:23):
Well, since this is the last Bucky Brooks show the
off season, we're done, I'll I like to look for
tangible things that will translate onto the field.
Speaker 4 (23:36):
Are you using that word? Because it's like become a
buzzword around here.
Speaker 1 (23:39):
Intangible the best tangible raise the level of the ecosystem.
Speaker 2 (23:44):
Pe If you think about what they're four and thirteen
last year. If you think about the one thing that
could accelerate this team in a hurry, I will go
with the speed and play making a wide receiver. Think
about how much better Trevor Lawrence is, how much this
team better if out of seventeen games you get eight
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more plays won every two games of a guy getting
a fifteen yard pass and it becoming sixty. You had
one guy on the team last year BTJ who could
do it. You've got at least three this year. That's
a huge difference. That to me shows up on the scoreboard.
And I think if everything else just gets stabilized and
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that element is as real as I think it might be,
I think that's where you see this team. That's the
hope for this team to make a huge acceleration next year.
Speaker 4 (24:36):
I think the play calling will make a big difference.
You know how I felt about the play calling, and
I thought it was terrible at eighteen thousand bubble screens
and a game. And I know why they were doing
because they were limited on the offensive line. They were scared.
The quarterback got sped up a bunch. He started looking
at the rush and that can never happen. But they
have to be able to protect him. And are they
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significantly better up front? That's the question.
Speaker 2 (25:01):
I think that's the major storyline of August and into
the first few weeks.
Speaker 4 (25:06):
Correct. I mean, because Hainesy's a smart, good, solid center,
He's not a great center. The right guard you know,
McCarry's a good player, and he's more self made, tough,
feisty kind of guy than he is an overbearing talent.
The right tackle has to start playing. You got a
competition going over there. The left guard, I think he's
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kind of miscast in this offense, but he'll probably start
the season at left guard. And the left tackle they
paid him, but this regime didn't pay him. And so
you know, is the line going to be that much
better or is good coaching going to make the line better?
Because I think even if they don't have to be
the Eagles, because they're not going to be that, but
they have to be better than what they were, and
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I think they can be better than what they were.
Speaker 7 (25:50):
And credit to him because they've done.
Speaker 2 (25:53):
I thought, within what they had with the cap, what
they were doing, you did as much as you could
do in the offseason. And the offensive line, to me, is
always something that you have to build over a few years.
They did as much as they could with their situation
to emphasize it, to get it. It feels like it's
the first step up a short hill or maybe a
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large hill, but I feel like there's hope that it
could be better. With the factors they be, and then
I think in the next couple of drafts, I think
you'll see it accelerate.
Speaker 4 (26:23):
Well, like I was in Tampa last week, and Tampa
has everybody back on the on the offense, the entire
offense is back. Plus you know a Buka the wide
receiver they drafted, so they're loaded. But you look at
the e and I talked about the offensive line. The
left tackles one of the best in football. There's no
question about that. They drafted them. The right tackle has
become a really good player. Gettikey, who was a guard
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who was a disasters the guard, but he's become a
good player at and the center, Graham Barton's now in
the second year. So you got the left tackle, the
right tackle, in the center. The other two guys if
they're just adequate. And we know we always talked about.
Speaker 7 (26:57):
Guard supposed to be the formula man.
Speaker 4 (26:59):
Correct and so here you paid a left tackle, you
invested heavily in the right tackle, and you just paid
the center. You're supposed to be the whoever plays those
other and McCary obviously got paid, so he's gonna be
the right guard. Whoever plays the left guard, you're supposed
to be better up front because of the assets you
used on that offensive line, and so the questions become
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the two tackles. That's the questions on this offensive line.
Speaker 3 (27:23):
Right, But this group didn't pick those tackles, no theory, So.
Speaker 5 (27:28):
Bucky not that they didn't, but if they were gonna
move on or do anything, they had opportunities to do that,
they could address those things in the draft or whatever.
But Pete and Johnna Wright like is to tomato can
theory is what they talk about, Like, you don't have
to be great, but you can't have tomato cans playing
on the offensive line, like the guys that are the
obvious fish that you can attack everywhere. And if we're
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talking about the principal where you're having two good offensive
tackles in the center, well then you want guards who
can play well with their neighbors, meaning that you can
use body help and situations to do that. Are we
good enough on the outside to say that, hey, if
we have inferior players on the inside, or do we
have an inferior offensive line that can't hold up.
Speaker 6 (28:09):
So that's where Walker little and that's on Harrison.
Speaker 5 (28:11):
Like if this was back in the day we say
they have to wear the big sombrero and training camp.
Are they good enough or do you have to find
other alternatives to be able to.
Speaker 6 (28:20):
Put on the field to help this offense get the
where it needs to go.
Speaker 4 (28:23):
Can you remember the guards on your team when you
played here?
Speaker 2 (28:26):
Uh?
Speaker 6 (28:26):
No, really?
Speaker 4 (28:28):
I bet you know.
Speaker 3 (28:29):
I bet you remember the tackles?
Speaker 5 (28:31):
Yes, yes, yeah, big Baby and Tony like I mean
we were talking about being cold the guys.
Speaker 6 (28:36):
Going in there.
Speaker 4 (28:36):
But yeah, but they cycled through the Yeah, Rich Kilski,
Ben Coleman played guard for a while. I mean they
had rotated guards. It was never in the center nine
times out. Often the center went.
Speaker 2 (28:48):
Very good either in this day and age in the
NFL with the cap, with money you have to allocate.
It's supposed to be tackle tackle center with supplementary guards
in your ideal salary cap structured tank.
Speaker 4 (28:59):
You know what, though, the guards are getting paid now,
the guards have become a that's a position that's been
getting paid.
Speaker 2 (29:05):
Everybody paid said this rum, he gets paid this room.
Speaker 1 (29:10):
Bucky gets paid better, get paid right?
Speaker 6 (29:15):
Oh no, no, no, no.
Speaker 4 (29:17):
Is that everybody does anybody else in the whole place
have a name on the Show.
Speaker 3 (29:22):
The Liam Cohen Show.
Speaker 4 (29:24):
So Liam Cohan and Bucky Brooks.
Speaker 1 (29:28):
Two.
Speaker 4 (29:32):
You would have thought he was Jimmy or something.
Speaker 1 (29:34):
I mean, you should see the power of Oh my gosh,
I love your Bucky.
Speaker 5 (29:41):
Good ud Pete. I talked, I talked to you. I
ignored the band. I talked to you.
Speaker 6 (29:47):
Let it be banned. I still would creep over there
when you're starting to me in trouble.
Speaker 7 (29:52):
Whdrake got released?
Speaker 4 (29:59):
No, Bucky did. Yeah, it was one of the good
guys in the locker room. There were plenty of bad ones.
Oh you got any names? We name names where we.
Speaker 1 (30:12):
Are Bucky, have a great off season. This is our
last program with you until training camp.
Speaker 4 (30:21):
Enjoy it.
Speaker 2 (30:22):
Buck.
Speaker 4 (30:23):
You coming for training camp.
Speaker 5 (30:25):
I wouldn't miss it from here that time. I love
I love all those things.
Speaker 3 (30:30):
Bucky Brooks, Pete, thanks for hopping.
Speaker 6 (30:32):
In with us. Yeah, great to see you.
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Speaker 4 (00:43):
Well, a couple of things right off to that, Bucky
has his own show, Amazing Football. All these things out
to everybody in the.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
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Speaker 4 (00:58):
Bucky bro I mean he did play on both sides
of the ball.
Speaker 3 (01:01):
Buck he did.
Speaker 4 (01:01):
Ca'se Anybody's wanted he did? He did.
Speaker 3 (01:03):
He was Travis before.
Speaker 4 (01:04):
Tramps and senior reporter What the hell are you reporting.
Speaker 3 (01:08):
I'm very senior, and I'm getting more senior by the day.
Speaker 4 (01:11):
I know that part, Buck, You've got to change the
title of it. I mean he was a reporter. I
was a reporter.
Speaker 1 (01:17):
J I just read commercials, brother, I don't know, man,
rip and read until we got here.
Speaker 3 (01:24):
Uh, Bucky, good afternoon. How about that intro?
Speaker 5 (01:27):
He look, man, I love you got my favorite guy
in the building, Pete Risco, the guy that we were
warned not to talk to when I was in Jacksonville.
But somehow, thirty years later, Pete Risco is still standing,
still made it.
Speaker 4 (01:39):
How many times did he warn you guys about talking
to me every meeting?
Speaker 6 (01:43):
I mean, I mean every now and then.
Speaker 3 (01:45):
Don't talk to.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
You?
Speaker 3 (01:49):
You you you?
Speaker 6 (01:51):
I mean we didn't.
Speaker 5 (01:52):
We didn't quite labor you rat poison, but it may
have been intimated.
Speaker 4 (01:58):
I take that as a compliment of honor. But rat poison.
Speaker 6 (02:04):
It's called me worse.
Speaker 7 (02:05):
Yes, he had, He's called me worse.
Speaker 1 (02:09):
So manatory Mini camp yesterday today and tomorrow today open
to the public. So a bunch of fans out there, Pete,
what'd you like the first couple of days?
Speaker 4 (02:18):
I mean, it's hard, it's underwear Olympics. You know, I
don't get excited about mini camp. And we always talked
about what was it?
Speaker 2 (02:26):
Was it Curtis Marsh, Well, yeah, there was many yeahs.
He single handedly destroyed Curtis Marsh. You single handedly destroyed.
Speaker 4 (02:37):
Curtis Marsh came here, he came here as and in the
first like weeks he's running around guys and everybody thought
he was starting to what they already yell at him.
Wait did he get bad and he disappeared? I mean
it happened. Johnny Morton didn't happen to him too.
Speaker 3 (02:50):
I think, I mean, it happened.
Speaker 4 (02:52):
It happens. That's why it's so hard to read into
these things. Now you can see picking up the scheme,
the receivers running the DB's. You know, the quarterback didn't
throw much today and I think maybe, you know, his
arm is he's obviously wearing to sleep, so maybe he's
getting worn out a little bit. I mean, it's not
just here by the way you go around, all the
quarterbacks arms are bombing.
Speaker 7 (03:13):
Well, because.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
It's a different world than what we grew up in
the NFLP You've got this time here that Bucky loves.
But it is to be throwing. They work a lot
this time of year, which they didn't used to do.
I personally don't think as much of this as necessary.
I think this is a more classroom time and that
we tend because it's out there on the field in
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front of us. JP's heard me say this a thousand times.
Because it's on the field in front of us, people
want us to evaluate it. And this is really a
learning time that you know, yes, have Trevor throw, but
the classroom is what matters this time of year. And
as boring as fans probably find the quote end install periods,
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we can't analyze install periods, but if you rate the
level of importance, those install educational periods are why this
time of your matters.
Speaker 1 (04:11):
But there's a balance, Buckey, right, you still got to
get some work on the field and make it look right.
Speaker 6 (04:15):
Yeah, you still have to get it on the field
and make it look right.
Speaker 5 (04:18):
And you know these workhouts where there's OTA's or mini
camps like, they serve a few different purposes. One for
the coaches, it's it's a period of experimentation. A lot
of times coaches have been in the lab all offseason
working on concepts and things, and these practice sessions give
them a chance to see what it looks like on
tape whether they want to keep it, so they go
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through that the flesh it out to see if they.
Speaker 6 (04:41):
Want to install it in training camp.
Speaker 5 (04:44):
And then when it comes to the evaluation and the players,
you're trying to see who can pick up the things
that they're being taught in the classroom. Can they implement
those things into the field? Can they execute it? Do
they look like we thought they were going to look
when a guy coming from college making his way to
the pros. And then with the terans, where do we
feel like they are in their process when it comes
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to year five, six or seven?
Speaker 6 (05:05):
Do we feel like they can contribute?
Speaker 5 (05:07):
So there are a lot of things working, but really
it all means nothing until we start playing preseason games
because the decisions are made really quickly once you get
into the season and they start playing games that kind of matter.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
It's very few times, Pete, that I've ever written in October.
So instead of running back co who what terrific?
Speaker 7 (05:25):
In June?
Speaker 4 (05:28):
It's just every surgery is a success, right right. Every
player's come back in the best shape of his life.
He's fitting perfectly. I mean, it's just it's the boys
of summer. That's what I call it.
Speaker 3 (05:39):
That's what this is, sweet till grind mode during the
dead people.
Speaker 4 (05:42):
Okay, let's for example, let's talk about the draft class.
A couple of the rookie running back to Can you
tell anything about him? We know he's fast. Can you
tell anything about his running ability? No, you can't because
he's not running with pads the safety ramsall. He's looked good,
he's good, made a great play today, It's going to
be a really good player. But until you put the
pads on bucket. You know this, if you start blasting
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people in it, well I say that because nobody hits
anybody anymore anyways. But you have no idea if these
guys can play football or not.
Speaker 6 (06:12):
No, you don't. And look, you want to keep everything
in perspective. But all we can talk about is what
we have for in front of us right now.
Speaker 5 (06:19):
Like I mean, can't blow up many camp and not
have people pay attention to what the Jags are doing now.
But you're right, none of this means anything until we
put the pass on for the skill guys. You can
get some of the timing done you can kind of
build the chemistry and connection. And to me, my focus
would be on Trevor Lawrence, what he looks like doing
the basics in this offense. How can they build it
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out to make it even more Number sixteen friendly.
Speaker 6 (06:43):
But yeah, like we won't see.
Speaker 5 (06:45):
The physicality the toughs until you put the pads on
and then really start making real assessments.
Speaker 6 (06:49):
Oh, who can and who can't play in this leap.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
There's a couple of things I believe you can see
this time of year if people want to get your
thoughts on these, If you're around it, which we've been
in which you got here today, you can get a
feeling of whether or not players believe in the direction.
And I never know how to define that, but you
can feel it and from talking to players, from being
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around this, they do believe in this, and I think
that matters very much tangibly, I think, which you can
see that's different to me, this receiver group.
Speaker 7 (07:25):
Might be the best overall.
Speaker 2 (07:28):
Receiver group has a chance to be the most special,
most dynamic. Keenan and Jimmy are a different world. They're
the legends of this franchise. So I can't compare the
top two to those two guys.
Speaker 7 (07:38):
But this receiver group, the way they move is different.
Speaker 4 (07:42):
They're all fast, yeah, everybody. And what did we talk
about all last year at JP No speed on offense?
There was. I mean, Brian Thomas could run, but he
was a kid early in his process.
Speaker 3 (07:51):
Everybody else was running.
Speaker 4 (07:52):
Everybody else nobody could run. Well, now they can run,
and everybody puts the fear into a defense. You got
to defend them differently. And when they come up and
they move him around, that's one of the best things
about him. I think, you know, nobody's in one spot.
They all move around. There's a lot of plays and
you see where they put him in motion before the
snap and get him going out into the route. I
love that because they were stagnant on offense. It was
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a very stagnant offense. And I think that's the biggest
difference is they can run now. And when you can run,
you know, look to compare anybody to Jimmy and Keen,
and they got a long way to go to get
to that.
Speaker 3 (08:22):
Do they have the.
Speaker 4 (08:22):
Potential to get to that? Those two guys have. Brian
Thomas is being cheated and I feel bad about that.
In a lot of ways. Travis Hunter is going to
be a great player. Don't get me wrong.
Speaker 3 (08:33):
I love him.
Speaker 4 (08:33):
I love everything I've seen from him. I've watched a
lot of his stuff. I watched him in college. I
love this game. But Brian Thomas is one. He's the
real deal. We talk about all time great receivers right
now in this league. You're talking about Jefferson and Chase.
This kid has a chance to be that, and he's
not getting talked about enough about it. And that's where
I think he's getting cheated a little bit. I think
he's going to get to that level. And look, Travis
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Hunter is going to be a great player too. But
let's not forget about Brian Thomas because I think right now,
if you ask me right now who the best rookie
receiver was that you're going which which of those guys
I would take before this before the draft? It wasn't him.
It was Belaite Neighbors. But I was not one of
those Mormon Harrison guys like everybody else, because I like suddenness.
I like guys who can go. Brian Thomas right there
with them. But right now, Brian Thomas is the best
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of that group.
Speaker 1 (09:19):
There's one way to get to that point, though, and
that's just play. I mean play and produce right, no
matter the noise around you right now.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
Right And as far as Brian Thomas Junior, that's absolutely
what he can do and JP, I believe it's what
he will do.
Speaker 7 (09:34):
And there's certain guys when you cover.
Speaker 2 (09:36):
The league that you can feel as rookies sort of
scratch the surface.
Speaker 7 (09:40):
And then you get the idea that they are ready to.
Speaker 2 (09:43):
Start taking over games and start being the reason that
teams excel. And the guy that I'm thinking of as
I say this was Bob Sanders and Indy. When I
covered him, he played about five or six games as
a rookie. But when you talk to people, this is
the cult safety from the mid two thousands. But when
you you talk to people in the offseason and when
you watched camp, there was a second year thing with
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this guy where all of a sudden, his second year
was two thousand and five, and the cult of defense
that year was the best in the league for during
the regular season because Bob accelerated and became a game
changing player. When they're great, that's what happens in their
second year because they all of a sudden get it.
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There's many many other guys that you've seen do that,
But that's what BTJ feels like. He feels to me
like he's a guy who could get sixteen hundred yards
all pro that sort of mention. I'm not sure when
the last time we've had a guy I think Kalais
in seventeen was that level of this is a guy
who is.
Speaker 7 (10:44):
Lifting a franchise. BTJ has that field to me.
Speaker 4 (10:48):
And you know, you talk about the second year even
more so for wide receivers because usually in the first
year figuring it out, they're figuring it out, they're reading
on the run. There's not as plain as fast as
they normally would where they get more comfortable and again
it's a new so he's learning again, but he's much
more comfortable with the idea is of playing wide receiver
in the NFL.
Speaker 3 (11:05):
Bucky, how does a young player handle all this?
Speaker 6 (11:09):
Now?
Speaker 5 (11:09):
Look, I think John MP made great points most not
the biggest jump that a young player makes is from
year one to year two, because they now know the
league that they're in, they know how.
Speaker 6 (11:18):
To better prepare for the league.
Speaker 5 (11:20):
That development kicks in and they go from training for
the combine to really training for success on the field.
Speaker 6 (11:25):
So Brian Thomas Junior should make a huge leap.
Speaker 5 (11:29):
And going back to what was thrown out there in
terms of like Keenan and Jimmy and this being the
best wide receiver corp, potentially that the Jacks have happened.
Speaker 6 (11:36):
I would say yes.
Speaker 5 (11:37):
And I would say that even though Btj's not getting
the attention, I think around the league when they look
at the scouting report, I think the number one player
that they're going to put a dot on is going
to be Brian Thomas Junior because he's proven and he's established.
And I would say that Brian Thomas Junior is more
of the Jimmy Smith in this scenario. Travis Hunter is
more like Keenan, may be more dynamic, but more of
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the complement to the guy that's domain entre.
Speaker 6 (12:02):
Btj's domain entre. He's the number one.
Speaker 5 (12:05):
I think what if we if we stretch this out
and say a perfect world, what it looks like. It
looks like BTJ having fifteen hundred yards, Travis Hunter having
a thousand to eleven hundred yards and maybe more explosive plays.
But make no mistake, BTJ is the number one receiver
on this team.
Speaker 2 (12:22):
No matter how Travis Hunter gets, Keenan will still think
he's beat.
Speaker 3 (12:25):
That's what I say, Well more dynamic. We do love that.
Speaker 4 (12:29):
Travis Hunter might want to call Keenan up and ask
him how to run routes. Yeah, I mean Keenny. You
know that Bucky Keenan was one of the best route
runners this league has ever seen, and he's now one
of the best wide receiver coaches this league has ever seen.
So I think when you look at Travis Hunter, that's
the step for him is learning how to run routes.
It's clear when you watch him, the natural ability is there.
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I don't think he was ever taught to run routes.
I don't think anybody Colorado taught him how to run routes.
Speaker 6 (12:55):
No, I mean that was the big thing coming out.
Speaker 5 (12:57):
Like I would say this, like he is definitely more
of a playmaker than a precise route runner. He is
more of a get the ball in his hands and
let him go to work. And that's different and we
will see how that plays out. Particularly when they start
playing against good defensive backs, guys that are sound technically,
it could be a little harder for him to create
space whereas BTJ is smooth, fluid, polished, dynamic.
Speaker 6 (13:22):
He can do it all.
Speaker 5 (13:23):
He can take it off the top, he can run
the intermediate stuff. So he is what you typically want
as a number one, someone that can do it all.
Travis Hunter, to me, is a high end number two
that can make big plays, and he is going to
be a big play specialist. But I don't think he
has the skill set right now to be a number one.
Speaker 4 (13:45):
I think he's going to be Brook says, Jaguars trained
up number two to get a number two wide receive.
But you're sunning up.
Speaker 5 (13:55):
But Pete, even in that, I'm gonna be honest with you,
I thought he was a much better I thought he
had more potential to be a dominant player at cornerback
than at wide receiver. I think the reason why at
corner he can make things happen is because his ball
skills are unrivaled, Like I haven't seen anyone who can
catch the ball and make the plays that he naturally
(14:17):
makes on defense.
Speaker 6 (14:18):
On offense, I always felt.
Speaker 5 (14:20):
Like he was a playmaker more so than a polished receiver.
And it's easy to get excited about what guys do
on offense. That's the nature of our league. But to me,
his value as in being a two way player more
so than just being a one way spot.
Speaker 1 (14:33):
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Speaker 4 (14:45):
Get three, Number two, get number two wide receive. Can
watch that number two wide receiver for two thousand.
Speaker 3 (14:50):
That's Pete Prisco CBS Sports. You might have heard of him, Bucky.
Speaker 1 (14:53):
Brooks, of course, Shatrick with John Osher. I love you,
Pete man, I really do.
Speaker 3 (15:00):
You know.
Speaker 1 (15:01):
We've got a lot to figure out in the fall
coming up about the programming and all that, but you're
gonna be back around.
Speaker 4 (15:09):
I just hope your dad likes me.
Speaker 6 (15:10):
No, that's.
Speaker 3 (15:13):
Hates with a capital H because.
Speaker 4 (15:17):
I take, but I take JP's airtime. His dad then takes.
Speaker 3 (15:21):
Shots unnecessary below the belt.
Speaker 4 (15:23):
Shots at you. Yeah, No, I don't.
Speaker 3 (15:27):
Yeah, that's true to love. Who doesn't?
Speaker 6 (15:30):
Uh?
Speaker 3 (15:30):
Defense?
Speaker 4 (15:32):
Yes, after what happened out there today, Mark Long might.
Speaker 1 (15:37):
Old boy defense? What stands out to you on the
defensive side? New scheme, A lot of new faces in
the secondary. But some guys who've been around here for
a number of years, they're lighter. We know that for
a fact.
Speaker 4 (15:52):
That nobody's throwing meat on the table. That's that's a
true story, by the way, But you know, you know
that story bucket coordinated throughous so stupid. That might be
one of the dumbest NFL stories I've ever heard in
my life. And well, the acts, I mean, we could
go yeah, but look, they're lighter, they're leaner. But more
(16:17):
than that, just watching them out there, they throw a
bunch of different looks at you. It's not And I
was talking to Josh lens Allen after practice and they
love it. They love it, and I think that's the
biggest difference. You know, they're lighter and leaner, and that's
going to help them with their speed and everything. But
you can do so many different things now. And I
thought they were predictable on defense. That was a predictable defense,
(16:38):
and they weren't good. They had so many busted assignments
which just wreaked the poor coaching. No, they were bad.
It was a bad defense. This defense can be much
better now. There's things that have to happen for it
to be better, not just schematically. You can be great
all you want, but you got to have players play.
But I do think they're going to be better on
that side of the ball.
Speaker 2 (16:56):
Yeah, I think the intriguing thing because Campinelly, I think
is unbelievably good for this team, this roster, these players,
the amount that they believe in him, the way he's
connected to him, I think does matter very much. He
puts such an emphasis and this is important no matter
(17:18):
what scheme you're playing, but when a coordinator emphasizes something,
it usually tends to rise up. And he puts such
an emphasis on getting off blocks and explosion at the
point of attack, and that's all he talks like, I
shouldn't say's all he talks about, but he emphasizes it
all the time. So I can't help but think that
they by default are going to be a half yard
(17:42):
whatever the number is better against the run. If you
get a little better against the run, Josh Trayvon Eric
Armstead inside will be better. I just can't help but
think that this defense last year felt I hate the
word soft, but it couldn't stop the run in the
(18:03):
moments where it needed to. It couldn't limit that if
it can limit that there's enough pass rush and you're
facing the quarterback in the secondary to create turnovers off
pass rush. I just can't help but think the defense
rises at least to mid way through the league when
they were the worst in the league last year.
Speaker 4 (18:22):
The run defense has been a problem around here for
a while. Let's be frank. I mean, it's just for
how many years now, It's been an issue for.
Speaker 6 (18:27):
A couple of years.
Speaker 4 (18:28):
They just don't stop the run. And when you don't
stop the run and you got beefy pass rushers, you're
not going to rush the passer very well.
Speaker 5 (18:34):
What it is, Look, it's a huge issue last year
because you can't get to the point where you want
to rush the passer because the run defense was so leaky,
and then when you give up big plays in the secondary,
you have no chance of being able to win. This
defense should be better because they're going to more of
a vision and break defense, more zone coverage, more eyes
on the ball that not only will help them close
(18:56):
quicker to the balls that are thrown underneath, but it
also helps if the running hot hops, if they're able
to pop a big run, you have more guys that
can see it and they can get it down and
so it won't go to the house. It just seems
like the guys are really bought in right now to
what is being said on offense and defense.
Speaker 6 (19:13):
But you know, maybe it's the credibility.
Speaker 5 (19:15):
Maybe it's just the desire to want to be better
after such a horrific season last year.
Speaker 6 (19:21):
But it does appear that there's a.
Speaker 5 (19:22):
Connection between the players and the coaching staff, and the
scheme is gonna work because the players believe in what
the coaches are saying.
Speaker 1 (19:30):
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right down. Rolling Vampire Weekend June twelfth, Glass Animals June seventeenth, April,
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plenty more.
Speaker 3 (19:44):
Two nights or should I have twain in July?
Speaker 6 (19:45):
By the way? Two nights?
Speaker 3 (19:47):
Not one, but two?
Speaker 4 (19:47):
Who looks different these days?
Speaker 1 (19:50):
At least places dot com for tickets it's show information.
Speaker 3 (19:55):
She looks lovely.
Speaker 6 (19:56):
What are you talking about, Pete?
Speaker 4 (19:57):
This doesn't look like you' ninth Wayne anymore?
Speaker 1 (19:58):
Okay, we'll find out. July twenty ninth and thirtieth. I
suppose he's not coming up for that one.
Speaker 4 (20:03):
I guess it's I actually like her music a little bit.
Speaker 7 (20:06):
First night.
Speaker 1 (20:07):
Second, we're trying to get Biselli's.
Speaker 3 (20:10):
Couch for that.
Speaker 4 (20:11):
But doesn't he have a sweet now?
Speaker 3 (20:13):
I'm sure whatever you want.
Speaker 4 (20:14):
You know, he's the kind of guy he used to
take advantage of everybody else's sweets and couches. He wouldn't
get anybody take advantage.
Speaker 1 (20:19):
No, no, no, no, you can't even get into his No,
no chance. What do you got coming up the rest
of the day, Peter, Are you here tomorrow as well?
Speaker 4 (20:25):
I'll be here tomorrow. I'm talking to the quarterback tomorrow.
Oh big yeah, Nick Mullens, Nick Mullens, Yeah yeah, Nick.
Those helium blues yesterday?
Speaker 3 (20:37):
Well then.
Speaker 4 (20:40):
He didn't have a great practice today.
Speaker 3 (20:43):
Offense overall, just no bad.
Speaker 4 (20:44):
Day for the offense. Bad day for the offense. I mean,
once Brian Thomas goes, I think kind of changes the
dynamic of the offense. Bit yeahtle bit. But I'm talking
to the quarterback tomorrow. Look, you guys know, it's all him.
It's on him. This team is going to go as
far as he goes. If he takes the strides and
gets better, it's gonna be a good football team. If
(21:05):
he doesn't, they're gonna have questions about their decision to
pay him, and they're gonna have questions a quarterback. I
tend to agree that he'll take the move, the move
to go up. I think his mechanics have improved just
from watching what I've seen from him. Get his a
little quicker, shorter on the release, which I think he
needed to be. He's elongated, wind up is shortened a
little bit. If he goes to the next step, which
(21:26):
I think he can do, then they're gonna be a
good football team. If he doesn't, then they got major
problems and major issues.
Speaker 2 (21:32):
And he doesn't even really have to be to me
in twenty twenty five, he doesn't have to be one
of the top two or three guys yet. Yeah, you know,
if he just takes that step and gets to where
I thought he was at the end of twenty two
and started twenty three, then they're fine.
Speaker 7 (21:51):
And if he accelerates past that, then look out, yeah you.
Speaker 4 (21:55):
Got you gotta get him into the top ten conversation
and right you know, right now he was in that
and now he kind of added the injury and everything's
kind of you know, outside of Jacksonville. The perception of
Trevor Larns isn't great. I'll be honest with you. And
Bucky knows. Bucky's out in LA He knows.
Speaker 6 (22:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (22:12):
I mean, look, there's a thing where when guys come
in because remember how he was held and portrayed coming
into the draft.
Speaker 6 (22:18):
He was talking about a generational talent.
Speaker 5 (22:20):
We thought he was going to be one of those
guys that quickly ascended to being a top five player.
Speaker 6 (22:25):
It hasn't happened like that.
Speaker 5 (22:26):
He's shown flashes of being the guy that some expected
him to be, but.
Speaker 6 (22:30):
He hasn't done it consistently.
Speaker 5 (22:31):
The one thing that you have to do as a
team once you made a decision to pay him is
let's make sure we give him every opportunity to be
the player that we want him to be. And the
money's the money. The other thing is getting him to
play that way. And so I think you've seen bigger receivers,
more explosive receivers, things that he was able to be
successful doing at Clemson.
Speaker 6 (22:51):
You'll see some of those things incorporated.
Speaker 5 (22:53):
But I think the best thing that Liam Corn has
been able to do being around it, he saw what
Sean McVeigh did for Jerick Goff, and then he personally
helped Baker Mayfield kind of take his.
Speaker 6 (23:03):
Game up a notch.
Speaker 5 (23:04):
And a lot of that was understanding who the quarterback
is and put them in a position.
Speaker 6 (23:09):
To only do the things that they do well.
Speaker 5 (23:11):
If they do those things with Trevor and quit trying
to make him be something that he's not, he'll have
an opportunity to have success. And so it's on the
coaches to find a way to make the quarterback right
because he's gonna be here for the next four.
Speaker 6 (23:23):
Or five years.
Speaker 2 (23:23):
Well, since this is the last Bucky Brooks show the
off season, we're done, I'll I like to look for
tangible things that will translate onto the field.
Speaker 4 (23:36):
Are you using that word? Because it's like become a
buzzword around here.
Speaker 1 (23:39):
Intangible the best tangible raise the level of the ecosystem.
Speaker 2 (23:44):
Pe If you think about what they're four and thirteen
last year. If you think about the one thing that
could accelerate this team in a hurry, I will go
with the speed and play making a wide receiver. Think
about how much better Trevor Lawrence is, how much this
team better if out of seventeen games you get eight
(24:05):
more plays won every two games of a guy getting
a fifteen yard pass and it becoming sixty. You had
one guy on the team last year BTJ who could
do it. You've got at least three this year. That's
a huge difference. That to me shows up on the scoreboard.
And I think if everything else just gets stabilized and
(24:28):
that element is as real as I think it might be,
I think that's where you see this team. That's the
hope for this team to make a huge acceleration next year.
Speaker 4 (24:36):
I think the play calling will make a big difference.
You know how I felt about the play calling, and
I thought it was terrible at eighteen thousand bubble screens
and a game. And I know why they were doing
because they were limited on the offensive line. They were scared.
The quarterback got sped up a bunch. He started looking
at the rush and that can never happen. But they
have to be able to protect him. And are they
(24:59):
significantly better up front? That's the question.
Speaker 2 (25:01):
I think that's the major storyline of August and into
the first few weeks.
Speaker 4 (25:06):
Correct. I mean, because Hainesy's a smart, good, solid center,
He's not a great center. The right guard you know,
McCarry's a good player, and he's more self made, tough,
feisty kind of guy than he is an overbearing talent.
The right tackle has to start playing. You got a
competition going over there. The left guard, I think he's
(25:26):
kind of miscast in this offense, but he'll probably start
the season at left guard. And the left tackle they
paid him, but this regime didn't pay him. And so
you know, is the line going to be that much
better or is good coaching going to make the line better?
Because I think even if they don't have to be
the Eagles, because they're not going to be that, but
they have to be better than what they were, and
(25:48):
I think they can be better than what they were.
Speaker 7 (25:50):
And credit to him because they've done.
Speaker 2 (25:53):
I thought, within what they had with the cap, what
they were doing, you did as much as you could
do in the offseason. And the offensive line, to me, is
always something that you have to build over a few years.
They did as much as they could with their situation
to emphasize it, to get it. It feels like it's
the first step up a short hill or maybe a
(26:15):
large hill, but I feel like there's hope that it
could be better. With the factors they be, and then
I think in the next couple of drafts, I think
you'll see it accelerate.
Speaker 4 (26:23):
Well, like I was in Tampa last week, and Tampa
has everybody back on the on the offense, the entire
offense is back. Plus you know a Buka the wide
receiver they drafted, so they're loaded. But you look at
the e and I talked about the offensive line. The
left tackles one of the best in football. There's no
question about that. They drafted them. The right tackle has
become a really good player. Gettikey, who was a guard
(26:44):
who was a disasters the guard, but he's become a
good player at and the center, Graham Barton's now in
the second year. So you got the left tackle, the
right tackle, in the center. The other two guys if
they're just adequate. And we know we always talked about.
Speaker 7 (26:57):
Guard supposed to be the formula man.
Speaker 4 (26:59):
Correct and so here you paid a left tackle, you
invested heavily in the right tackle, and you just paid
the center. You're supposed to be the whoever plays those
other and McCary obviously got paid, so he's gonna be
the right guard. Whoever plays the left guard, you're supposed
to be better up front because of the assets you
used on that offensive line, and so the questions become
(27:21):
the two tackles. That's the questions on this offensive line.
Speaker 3 (27:23):
Right, But this group didn't pick those tackles, no theory, So.
Speaker 5 (27:28):
Bucky not that they didn't, but if they were gonna
move on or do anything, they had opportunities to do that,
they could address those things in the draft or whatever.
But Pete and Johnna Wright like is to tomato can
theory is what they talk about, Like, you don't have
to be great, but you can't have tomato cans playing
on the offensive line, like the guys that are the
obvious fish that you can attack everywhere. And if we're
(27:50):
talking about the principal where you're having two good offensive
tackles in the center, well then you want guards who
can play well with their neighbors, meaning that you can
use body help and situations to do that. Are we
good enough on the outside to say that, hey, if
we have inferior players on the inside, or do we
have an inferior offensive line that can't hold up.
Speaker 6 (28:09):
So that's where Walker little and that's on Harrison.
Speaker 5 (28:11):
Like if this was back in the day we say
they have to wear the big sombrero and training camp.
Are they good enough or do you have to find
other alternatives to be able to.
Speaker 6 (28:20):
Put on the field to help this offense get the
where it needs to go.
Speaker 4 (28:23):
Can you remember the guards on your team when you
played here?
Speaker 2 (28:26):
Uh?
Speaker 6 (28:26):
No, really?
Speaker 4 (28:28):
I bet you know.
Speaker 3 (28:29):
I bet you remember the tackles?
Speaker 5 (28:31):
Yes, yes, yeah, big Baby and Tony like I mean
we were talking about being cold the guys.
Speaker 6 (28:36):
Going in there.
Speaker 4 (28:36):
But yeah, but they cycled through the Yeah, Rich Kilski,
Ben Coleman played guard for a while. I mean they
had rotated guards. It was never in the center nine
times out. Often the center went.
Speaker 2 (28:48):
Very good either in this day and age in the
NFL with the cap, with money you have to allocate.
It's supposed to be tackle tackle center with supplementary guards
in your ideal salary cap structured tank.
Speaker 4 (28:59):
You know what, though, the guards are getting paid now,
the guards have become a that's a position that's been
getting paid.
Speaker 2 (29:05):
Everybody paid said this rum, he gets paid this room.
Speaker 1 (29:10):
Bucky gets paid better, get paid right?
Speaker 6 (29:15):
Oh no, no, no, no.
Speaker 4 (29:17):
Is that everybody does anybody else in the whole place
have a name on the Show.
Speaker 3 (29:22):
The Liam Cohen Show.
Speaker 4 (29:24):
So Liam Cohan and Bucky Brooks.
Speaker 1 (29:28):
Two.
Speaker 4 (29:32):
You would have thought he was Jimmy or something.
Speaker 1 (29:34):
I mean, you should see the power of Oh my gosh,
I love your Bucky.
Speaker 5 (29:41):
Good ud Pete. I talked, I talked to you. I
ignored the band. I talked to you.
Speaker 6 (29:47):
Let it be banned. I still would creep over there
when you're starting to me in trouble.
Speaker 7 (29:52):
Whdrake got released?
Speaker 4 (29:59):
No, Bucky did. Yeah, it was one of the good
guys in the locker room. There were plenty of bad ones.
Oh you got any names? We name names where we.
Speaker 1 (30:12):
Are Bucky, have a great off season. This is our
last program with you until training camp.
Speaker 4 (30:21):
Enjoy it.
Speaker 2 (30:22):
Buck.
Speaker 4 (30:23):
You coming for training camp.
Speaker 5 (30:25):
I wouldn't miss it from here that time. I love
I love all those things.
Speaker 3 (30:30):
Bucky Brooks, Pete, thanks for hopping.
Speaker 6 (30:32):
In with us. Yeah, great to see you.
Speaker 4 (30:35):
Bucky Brooks Show.
Speaker 3 (30:36):
This is the Bucky Brooks Program with Bucky Brooks and three.
Speaker 7 (30:39):
Other guys and special guest Bucky brook.
Speaker 3 (30:41):
Pete Briscoe, John O's your j P. Shaddick.
Speaker 1 (30:44):
Bucky Brooks are thanks to Joe Fortunate. I'm on print Reaper.
Thanks to you.
Speaker 3 (30:47):
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