Etienne de la Boetie2 Interview – Liberty On The Rocks & The Rising Tide Of Voluntaryism

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Episode Transcript

(00:22):
Welcome to the last American vagabond. Joining me
today for the time on the last American
vagabond is, if I'm gonna say it correctly,
you can correct me if I'm wrong, Etienne
De La Boutique Squared.
And we can get into what that name
means and the information around the background there.
And we're gonna be discussing today the liberty
on the rocks event at Sedona, which I'm
honored to be a part of. And we're
gonna get into kind of the the broader

(00:42):
conversation around volunteerism
or or just, you know, libertarianism
or in my mind more anarchism,
agorism, the idea of, like,
voluntary exchange between people. And a great conversation
I just had with Larkin Rose, which is
still fresh on my mind. The idea of
the illusion of authority, the illusion of government,
the illusion of voting, and why all these
things are very important. And what I wanna
get into is why, interestingly,

(01:03):
more people today than ever seem to be
interested in this, aware of this, asking questions
about this. So it's a perfect time for
the upcoming event. So thanks for being on
the show. It's good to see you, brother.
Hey. Good to see you. Good to be
with your audience.
Absolutely. And and I did did I say
the name correctly? I I believe I did.
It's Ian de la Bouisie. Bouisie. Okay. So
I said wrong. Or Bouisie.
I've heard people say it both ways. So

(01:25):
Or bow tie, you know, say it incorrectly.
I I get that a lot too. Yeah.
I'm sure. But so why don't you go
ahead and start with that since that's something,
you know, that's a it's a got an
interesting history around it and and the the
the reason you chose that name.
Sure. It's it's obviously a a nom de
plume, a pen name, or a nom de
guerre, a war name.
And, and I and the original Etienne de
Laboisie

(01:46):
was a, French political philosopher. He wrote in
the 16th century,
and he was really one of the first
to really kinda break down the tricks and
the techniques that rulers used,
not just to get obedience,
but to get fealty and adoration and god
save the queen and all hail the chief,
and to get people to go along with

(02:06):
something that isn't really in their interest.
And with my book, Government, the Biggest Scam
in History Exposed, I'm really doing his work
in the modern age,
and the book kinda breaks down like a
playbook
of how do you, you know, how do
you
trick
populations
into going along with government

(02:27):
Mhmm. Even though to this day it's not
in their interest.
Yeah. And and by the way, I really
appreciate in your book in general that, you
know, kind a lot of content we're discussing,
he's
covering his book, comes along with, you know,
like a data backup of, like, the verification
information which which I have saved in a
special place. So I think it's a fantastic
thing to include.
So let let's start today with the, you

(02:48):
know, a general update on what's gonna be
happening at the conference so people catch that
right in the beginning and let's get into
kinda, like, what we're talking about, you know,
what the conference is about and so on.
So the liberty on the rocks. So what
what is this conference about? What is it
gonna be focused on? You know, very excited
to be part of this because this is
something that I
I think my ideology, what I've kinda decided
makes sense to me over the time of

(03:09):
doing this. I've never really chosen to pick,
like, names or ident you know, like, titles
or or or, you know, I am this
or identify as that or the libertarian or
something else. But I've kind of come to
realize that this
is most clearly where my mind where it
makes sense to me. You see what my
point in saying that is this is a
all this is new to me in a
lot of ways as well. And so I'm
really honored to be a part of this.
So go ahead and let everybody know what

(03:30):
this is and, you know, why it's important.
Sure. I I'd like to take, like, a
step back just for a second and kinda
set the table. And then, you know, in
my in my book, government, the biggest scam
in history exposed, what I'm really doing is
I'm making the case
that government was never intended to protect life,
liberty, and property. It's always it's best thought
of as kind of a technique for robbing
and controlling populations,

(03:51):
and you can never really have a legitimate
government.
It's impossible to have a legitimate moral government
because it's impossible for, you know, you can't
delegate a right that you don't have yourself
Mhmm. To a representative to represent you doing
something you don't have the ability to do
yourself.
You can't be bound by a social contract

(04:11):
that you never signed.
My fiance and I can't vote to Rob
Ryan because there's 2 of us and one
of you. It doesn't matter if there's 3
of us or 330,000,000
of us. There's no magical additional person that
makes something immoral and illogical, now moral and
logical just because the mob wants to go
along with it. And so it's really been
the biggest scam in history. And a lot
of the feedback that I would get from

(04:32):
the book is, you know, wow. At the
end, you do a great job of explaining
how, you know, what I call intergenerational
organized crime. It's the banks, kind of the
banks on the top. They create money out
of thin air using a technique called fractional
reserve banking.
And they've been buying up the media
and the, you know, the in the kind
of the Fortune 500 companies,

(04:53):
you know, cartelizing
them with this with this this this money
that they're stealing the value out of everybody
else's money. So so, like, that's kind of
it in a nutshell of, like, what we're
up against. And people, you know, people go,
you do a great job of explaining that,
but what are we gonna do? Mhmm. We've
gotta have government. Who's gonna build the roads?
And so Where is that question?

(05:16):
I'm in front of the You know, I've
I've got a I've got a new book
coming out called, called Voluntarism,
how the only ism
fair for everyone
leads to harmony, prosperity, and good karma for
all. And
by the only ism that is fair for
everybody, if you really think about it, all
the other political isms, whether it's socialism or

(05:37):
communism or
constitutional
republicanism,
all of those isms have a ruling class
that has rights
that you don't have.
And it's to, you know, steal from the
people that earn and save and redistribute it
as they see fit.
They get to arrest people for victimless crimes.

(05:59):
They have, you know, permissions that you don't.
The intelligence agencies have little get out of
jail free cards that they can flash on
the side of a crime that trumps every
other law enforcement and say national security
and and, and and hide and obfuscate,
you know, whatever crimes that they're involved in.
And so, so volunteerism

(06:21):
is really the only political ism
that's fair for everybody.
Nobody gets the ring of power because there
is no ring of power. Now for those
in your audience that aren't familiar with volunteerism,
it's really the idea that all relationships
should be voluntary. Nobody has rights. The other
people don't.
Nobody has an exemption from morality,

(06:42):
especially government.
And so when you when you start with
your political philosophy on on the moral high
ground
of non of of nonaggression
principle, of the golden rule,
of the fact that nobody has exemptions for
morality,
then you can't really have government. Now luckily
luckily for humanity,

(07:03):
one of the biggest secrets kept,
you know, from the population is that the
world is this self organizing system that produces
spontaneous order, and everything that the government does
would be done better, faster, and cheaper
by the free market, by mutual aid societies,
by nonprofits,
by co ops, by insurance companies, by armed

(07:24):
protective service providers like Detroit Threat Management
that is doing a better job of protecting
people in Detroit than the monopoly police,
by arbitration providers, and by genuine charities.
And, you know, some of this is is
common sense. We just saw it in hurricane
Helene where the caged navy and private helicopter
owners were doing a better job of saving

(07:46):
people,
after the hurricane than FEMA with its multibillion
dollar budget.
And so, so what we're what we're saying
is, hey. If we gave people back all
of the money that they're being, you know,
robbed and stolen of, and we were to
quit giving this organized crime banking system the
ability to create money out of thin air
even though it's inflationary and even though it's

(08:08):
stealing the value out of everybody else's money,
then society would be a lot wealthier.
There'd be more economic activity for everybody.
Wages would be going up. The value of
your dollar would buy more and more and
more every year as productivity improvements
and, innovations reduce the costs
of either manufacturing or distributing

(08:30):
the luxuries and necessities of life.
And so, everyone would be better off. It
doesn't mean that there would be utopia. There's
still gonna be poverty. There's still gonna be,
you know, the bad things, but it's gonna
be better for everybody else.
And that's the idea that you're never ever
going to hear on the mainstream media. So
we're having this conference in Sedona where we're

(08:51):
bringing
the, you know, world experts in, you know,
economics and and,
political philosophy and legal theory, etcetera, to be
able to explain just how you can have
everything that you want
with more freedom and more choices
than you have right now with this monopoly
government that that I believe is illegitimate and

(09:12):
and,
and essentially a way of robbing society.
Absolutely.
Yeah. I mean, it's it's such a it's
an let's go and start with that since,
you know, the idea that it's such a
difficult thing in most contexts and still for
most people, I would argue to kind of
wrap their mind around how this would take
place or how this would make sense. And
that's why I laughed about that. The is
the common joke about, you know, who's gonna

(09:33):
build the roads? And it's the same argument
that in once you know why I think
that's actually an important starting point for most
people is once you can get past that
barrier of recognizing
that it's still the same people, that the
government overarching, dominating, and pointing in directions doesn't
change the fact that we're still the ones
that would do it. You know? And I
do think that kind of opens people's minds,
but it's always kind of that block to
thinking that we need them to

(09:54):
organize and direct and to maintain. And some
people actually
would still hold to that and say that,
well, what happens without that? But we'll come
to that in a second. So the conference,
again, I just wanna make sure people see
that at the gate because it's it's it's
something I think is important for the the
growing understanding of what's going on in the
conversation today and whatever you wanna call them,
the normies or the, like, average people that
don't usually ask these questions. But so you

(10:14):
mentioned, I wanted to ask you on a
quick side note about volunteerism because this is
something that I was looking at. So there
there's different
spellings of that. And there's one with a
y, there's one without it, and there's one
that's just like volunteerism. Is there any reason
those are different? Or because I know, like,
one of them just simply means, like, volunteering
and having that as like a mindset. But
there is there a difference between, say, volunteerism

(10:35):
and volunteerism? Or are they just a different
term used for the same thing? I think
it's, it's,
different horses for different courses. Sometimes you might
use voluntary,
voluntary
ism,
if you're talking about volunteering,
but the political philosophy voluntary
ism
generally has a y and an ISM, and
that's kind of the core,

(10:57):
function that that, you know, has this idea
that, you know, that that all relationships must
be voluntary, but also is kind of assumed
with the idea that,
that the world is this self organizing system
and that the free market would provide
all of the if you really think about
what government does is it provide mostly of
what it does is provide services.

(11:18):
Whether that service is delivering mail or whether
that service is running a train system or
whether that service is
air traffic control or whether that service is,
you know,
protecting the environment.
And all of these things, not just could
be done by the free market, but actually
are being done. Right. And so a little

(11:40):
bit of what we're doing at the conference
is we're just we're we're highlighting and emphasizing
that there are all of these,
you know, examples
of volunteerism
doing a better job
of the things people want government to do
right now,
right this very second Mhmm. Than are being
done by government.
And and to your point, like you said

(12:01):
before, even in that same dynamic, those are
still average people that would be able to
do those jobs without the government kind of
dictating the dart direction. So it's still kinda
the same point. But so in Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. The the people that are built the
government isn't building the roads. The government is
hiring people to build the roads. And so
the
so, you know, you could eliminate the, the
the the the,

(12:21):
the middleman and you would still have high
quality roads. Where the, you know, there there
there's no reason why the government has to
do these things other than the government
taught you that they had to do these
things in their mandatory government school that they
made you attend Right. So they could teach
you that they're indispensable.
Right. Right. With their Prussian system and the

(12:42):
lining up and the raising your hands. I
mean, you do a great job explaining that.
It's just it's when you really look at
it that way, it's it's almost eerie. Like,
I've had that conversation kind of casually before
about, like, the pledge of allegiance. And you
bring it up in a con like, isn't
that weird? And people almost like aghast that
you would say that, but then they think
about it and they're like, yeah. That is
pretty weird. So we stand up and pledge
lead. You know, it's it's funny. Well, I
know you know, Ryan, I don't wanna give

(13:03):
the book away or anything like that, but
the secret is is that they're using unethically
manipulative
techniques that what I would you know, they're
they're, you know, stone cold
cult indoctrination techniques. They're indoctrinating
the belief in government into the population as
a religion.
Now they're not calling it a religion, but

(13:24):
they're using the the same playbook of unethically
manipulative techniques.
You know, you're gonna they're gonna force you
to you know, the the flag is the
artificially indoctrinated holy symbol. They're going to put
you into the church school where the teacher,
the priest
is going to teach you about the, you
know, the, the common prayer of the pledge

(13:46):
of allegiance. They're gonna teach you about the
hymns of the national anthem and the Star
Spangled Banner. And they're gonna take you to
Mecca, Washington DC,
generally in middle school. Yeah. And they're gonna
show you they're gonna take you into the
cathedral of the capital
that looks like the Vatican for a reason
where everything is oversized, so you smell feel

(14:06):
small and insignificant.
And they're gonna take you into the temples,
and they're gonna show you the deities of
Lincoln and Jefferson, and it's going to be
very hushed.
And it's going to be very reverent.
And then the media is gonna come along,
and they're going to run some more unethically
manipulative techniques where they're going to to product

(14:29):
place the flag at moments of high positive
emotion.
They're gonna put the flag on NBA backboards,
so you subconsciously
associate the exhilaration of the goal with the
flag. They're gonna put them on NFL helmets.
They're gonna do flag worship events
at the sporting events so that you associate.
It's called it's a technique called anchoring. They're
gonna they're gonna weave the flag in the

(14:52):
moments of high positive emotion in popular movies
and in television shows
so that when the movie comes to the
to the emotional apex,
Rocky defeating his opponent and wrapping himself in
the American flag Right. You're going to subconsciously
begin to associate
that that that flag with these good things

(15:15):
because the government has been
tricking you. They've been running game on the
population.
And so what I do in the book
is I break it all down so people
can understand
how they how the magician is pulling the
trick
because, you know, I I I was a
cub scout. I was a boy scout. They
had me hook, line, and sinker until somebody

(15:35):
explained it to me. And then when I
when I when I understood that, hey. Wait.
They're running these unethically manipulative,
you know, cult indoctrination techniques on the population
with the cub scouts, the boy scouts, the
Explorers, the JROTC, the ROTC,
the Marine Corps running young Marines and school
programs, and literally have the Marines run high

(15:56):
schools, where the entire curriculum is the Marine
Corps. And so when once you understand that
they're doing this, then you're like, I'm out.
Like, I'm not I'm not falling for that.
Now I under like, once you see it,
you can't unsee it, and nobody likes to
be a chump.
Yeah. Right. I mean, I I personal experience,
I think when I was in high school,
not not, like, necessarily running the school, but

(16:16):
I think we had a marine corps army
that would come, I mean, almost every month
and do their tests in the middle of
the square and, you know, it's very, very
much in your face.
Before I move past the the titles or
the the names in general, I wanted to
ask you for the, you know, for people
to understand in general, myself included. So what
what would you see as the difference or
the overlap between volunteerism,
libertarianism,

(16:37):
agorism, anarchy, and are are they all just
kind of in the similar ballpark? How how
do you look at it? So I, you
know, I put libertarianism
as the big umbrella term. Mhmm. And under
libertarianism,
which is kind of a big umbrella, you've
got, you know, people that are monarchists.
They believe in having a a very minimal
government that only protects life, liberty, and property.
And so so they think that the government

(16:59):
should rob people
at gunpoint to provide courts and national defense
and things of that nature. Okay?
But the government shouldn't do all these other
things. And so, therefore, you know, great deal
of personal and economic freedom, but they do
believe in having a
a a government or a constitution or something
like that.
But under that, that umbrella term also falls,

(17:22):
you know, libertarians
that may or may not believe in having
a government,
and voluntarists,
anarcho capitalists,
anarchists, peaceful anarchists.
And all anarchy means
is no rulers. It doesn't mean no rules.
And one of the other things I break
down in government, the biggest scam in history,

(17:43):
is how the dictionary has actually been changed
over time
to change the word for no rulers to
mean chaos and dystopia.
Right. Because the rulers don't want the population
to know there's an option on the menu
called no rulers.
Because if it was between rulers
and no rulers, people would probably choose no

(18:04):
rulers.
So they've used their media system and control
of the dictionary
to change the word over time. And you
can see the 18/27
definition from the Webster's dictionary, and you can
compare it to the, you know, the modern
version from the Merriam Webster's dictionary just to
understand what I'm talking about, how it's been
changed to be chaos and dystopia.

(18:25):
And then I break down who owns the
dictionary, and it's
the Safra banking family owns both the encyclopedia
and the dictionary. So the bankers top that
make up money out of thin air are
buying
the the encyclopedia
and the dictionary.
And the guy that sits on the editorial,
review board for
Encyclopedia Britannica and Merriam Webster's dictionary

(18:48):
is a past president of the Council on
Foreign Relations. Of course. And so they're controlling
the information that society receives, whether it's editing
the dictionary or monopolizing
the media
so that you only get, you know, to
see certain information,
censoring,
content creators like us algorithmically on the DARPA

(19:09):
Internet.
And that control of perception, that really is
the most important,
most powerful weapon,
that this organized crime system has. And that's
why most people have never ever, ever, in
many cases,
heard the alternative that you don't really need
government. They've never, you know, heard that, oh,
there's there's

(19:30):
well
known, respected,
you know, economists and and politicalist,
philosophers
and and academics and professors that have already
figured out how you could have everything the
government does without the government,
with people being wealthier
and with a lot less,

(19:51):
a lot less,
strife in society. Because you wouldn't have to
be fighting over
the school board as as one example. Like,
there there wouldn't be this, you know, this
this,
fight to who who controls the the school
board to, you know, to impose
your,
your worldview
on that, whether that be critical race,

(20:12):
critical race theory
or,
transgender studies or whatever it is because you
would just buy whatever education that you wanted
for your kids, and you'd have more than
enough, you know, money to do that if
the government wasn't stealing 50% of your income.
And then there wouldn't have to be a
fight over the school board because you could
send your kid to Montessori school, to Waldorf

(20:34):
school. You can homeschool your kid.
You know, you'd have all of these different
options
where you can get exactly what you want.
You don't have to, you know, fight politically
to do so, so there'd be more harmony
as well. Yeah. Yeah. Sure sounds like chaos,
doesn't it? It's just it's always so insulting.
I make this point often where I simply
say that anarchism is the only ideology that

(20:56):
has no room for the rule, and, obviously,
wonder why they don't wanna talk about it.
You know, it's it's such a important point
to make about the, you know, other direction
that we could be going. And this is
why let let's, you know, bring this into
the one of the earlier points I wanted
to get into is that I I genuinely
think that right now more than ever, and
I want your thoughts on maybe why this
is, that I see more people,
whether they're at least open to hearing this

(21:18):
idea out. Right? Like and and maybe you
tell me if you see anything different, but
I'm seeing more people interested in the 2
party illusion. More people interested in the idea
that maybe voting is not what it appears
to be or that our governments are fraudulent,
or to the core of the point that
government shouldn't exist at all. And never before
have I seen this much interest or this
much
aggressive pushback from what I think is sort
of a dying power structure because of that.

(21:39):
So is that what you're seeing? And if
so, why why is that happening in your
mind in in your opinion?
I'm seeing the exact same thing. I'm seeing
more and more people being open to it.
And I think that the reason is is
that the Internet and information age has made
the corruption so much more visible to the
average person
Mhmm. To where you know, whether or not
you believe

(21:59):
that we need to have a government, you
know, like, you may be you may think
that, you know, if we could just get
your our people
in, you know,
in power, then they'd fix everything.
But most people, even if they hold that
worldview of monarchism or constitutional republicanism,
almost everybody agrees that the the government that
we have in Washington DC is being run

(22:20):
as a criminal enterprise
Mhmm. And is stealing
money out the back door in the, you
know, in the form of weapon systems that
we don't need
to fight wars, you know, based on lies
and manufactured intelligence. It's it's bank bailouts. It's
mandatory vaccines for the pharmaceutical companies. It's mandatory
subsidies for the ethanol industry. It's you know,

(22:42):
I can just go on and on and
on. Genocide in real time? Funding genocide in
in in Gaza, you know, funding things that
people don't want. Yeah. And so now, you
know, they used to, you know, they used
to have kind of like an iron grip
over the way that's that information moved through
society.
But really, the the Internet in some ways,
you know, is is this is this classic

(23:03):
double edged sword for them where in some
ways, it's helping them censor more information. But
at the same time, the intelligentsia,
the the intelligent people that just, you know,
that that are that understand and are paying
attention to what's going on, they're figuring out
who robbed the bank. And they're getting saddled
up. There's you know, the posse is kinda

(23:24):
starting to form loosely. And people are saying,
hey, man. This is organized crime. This is
they're stealing my money,
and they're getting ticked.
Right. And then to a degree, it's out
in the open in a way that has
never ever been before.
Which makes me really happy to see. And
I think a lot of things are in
that kind of realm right now. And, I
mean, really just at a larger kind of
higher elevation view, I see it, like, whether

(23:45):
it's the COVID nineteen illusion or any number
of agendas in between, what's going on in
foreign policy. It's just sort of falling apart
in front of us, which is, you know,
there's obviously downsides. People are hurt being hurt.
There's chaos in some ways, but I think
it's a positive change, you know? And so
so in the context of the voting and
2 party illusion dynamic or even just, like,
in the context of the upcoming selection or
however you view that, Do do you think

(24:06):
like like, I see this republican pushback the
same way I did
again, to be clear, my audience knows my
opinion as the I see that as the
team sport politics. Republicans, democrats, then there's the
conservative and liberals that are maybe leaning towards
one side or the other. But I see
more of them are the ones that are
more and more becoming open to this, which
is why I see the teams where politics
sort of just doubling down in its intensity.
But I see that from the Republican side

(24:27):
right now like I did during COVID 19
as they really, you know, push back
in in a way that they're like, or
rather the reverse where democrats were more so
calling this out. Or no. I'm sorry. I'm
I'm getting confused on the agenda. So that
the republicans are highlighting the problem around this.
But right now, we have them ultimately
beginning to see these problems, but they're getting
kind of co opted by what I see
as this growing technocracy,

(24:48):
this growing effort. Like, so how do you
see that playing into this? Is that just
the usual dynamic of politics, or do you
think this is sort of, like, I was
saying this kind of dying reaction from something
trying to, you know, last gasp, trying to
push us back into the system? And and
I guess one last point is where do
you kinda see that going afterward, you know,
the election dynamic just before we get into
everything else? I see more and more people
abandoning

(25:09):
the fake left right paradigm
and not being, you know so so, you
know, my example earlier was the, you know,
the magician can only fool you until you
understand how he's doing the trick. And once
you understand that he's dividing and conquering the
population
by essentially shunting them into the 2

(25:30):
largest,
you know, demographic
groups that could be made to oppose each
other, you know, essentially collectivists
and and, you know, freedom you know, like,
most Republicans, they're they're
they're they're for pro freedom. They're for free
markets. They're for, you know, good things. But
at the top, the leadership of the Republican

(25:51):
party
has been co opted, and and they're not
able to produce any policies that lead to
real freedom.
And they're what to the contrary, they're, you
know, at the they're essentially
the exact same policies
as the Democrats
on the issues that matter to the organized

(26:12):
crime banking system.
And so the Republicans and Democrats, they're lockstep
in favor of fractional reserve banking.
They're lockstep in favor of 1,000,000,000,000 of dollars
handed
to private banks and private companies through the
TARP and the TALF and the bailouts of
Wall Street. They were lockstep,
you know,
for the COVID. They were lockstep

(26:34):
for forcing this untested,
quote, unquote, vaccine on the population.
And they're just arguing over kinda football issues
of gay marriage or abortion that are important,
but they're not as important as the real
issues that would really free us and give
us more disposable income and limit government and

(26:54):
things like that.
And and I also see in it the
overlap, like, with my point I've made around,
like, the save ID or rather the the
save act and the kind of Trojan horse
for digital ID is I see that that's
what that that's why that I was saying
before, and, you know, is always saying is
I think that the Republican party, rather specifically
conservatives, are are uncomfortable with this. Whether it's
Trump's blind support for Israel or the idea

(27:15):
that they like you said, they really I
that's why they sort of try to pacify
them more than anybody during the COVID 19
conversation is they are the constitutional. They are
the ones with, you know, gun owning militia.
Like, that that's more so that party in
this in the larger context. And right now,
I think they're starting to recognize that they,
they,
this they recognize this opening, but that's why
I think the Republican party is definitely trying

(27:36):
to kind of wrap them in using illusory
at legislation or things that they present as
we're fighting for freedom, but right under the
surface, it's in fact doing the exact opposite.
But I I I'm that's why I kinda
think more people are starting to wake up
from this, which is definitely a positive thing.
Do do you think the current system as
it is is failing,
or or is this some kind of a
you know, is there something else driving these

(27:57):
actions? Because I kinda read it as sort
of that there is a desperation behind this,
but I wanted your feeling on it. Why
do you think this is so happening? And
do you think the sort of, like, World
Economic Forum technocratic push is kinda like a
last effort to get past that to what's
no longer a problem anymore for the power
structure?
So it's it's failing
at the same time that it's succeeding.

(28:18):
And so, you know, I mean, it it
and I think it will continue to succeed
until it ultimately fails.
And that ultimate failure, I I believe, is
that that this I this this knowledge
that that government has been a trick. It's
always illegitimate. It's always immoral.
We don't really need it. I have a
feeling that that idea

(28:39):
is going to go viral globally. Yeah. And
I think, like, you know, you can only
you can only you can only fool people
until they understand the trick, and then they're
they're kinda out. And so I just don't
think that you can hide that in the
information age.
And so I think that that that idea
is is been the proverbial, you know, beach

(29:00):
ball underwater that they've been trying to hold,
you know, to to kinda, you know, keep
people away
from peaceful anarchy, keep people away from, you
know, exploring the ideas of stateless society.
But as more and more people engaged
engaged with that, I call it the one
way revolution. It's only going in one direction.

(29:20):
Like, so so once you realize that government
has been a trick
and it's illegitimate,
and it's it's a dumb idea, and it
doesn't really work, it looks good on paper.
You know? But, like, once you kind of
you you you get that that that idea,
you're out, and you're not going to fall
for the fake left right paradigm. You're not
going to vote for Trump or Kamala or

(29:42):
Jill Stein or anybody else. You're, you know,
you're out. You're now
not in their crooked,
rigged poker game anymore.
And so that's that's the one way revolution
that I see happening everywhere as more and
more and more people
realize
the basics of the scam
and remove themselves from from playing in the

(30:03):
rigged poker game. Yeah. Absolutely, man. I mean,
I kinda feel like like it's happening. You
know? Like, maybe not viral, but I think
that's kinda what we're sensing is there is
this growing momentum growing. And I think that
is my opinion would be that the whole
technocratic drive is, you know, like, today, we're
at a point where this long sought agenda
is now techno
technologically possible. And I think that they're just
this effort is to sort of get past

(30:24):
a point where maybe they just pull the
mask off and say, yes. We're exactly what
you thought, but too late now, you can't
do anything about it. You know, it's kinda
where I feel like it's going, and maybe
just as an effort because people are waking
up to it. But, you know, one one
thing I before we get into, like, the,
you know, future idea of what would we
do and and how do you transition is
I I'm in an interesting place where I
I argue
you know, my mindset is very much in

(30:45):
this idea. I think government is the problem.
I don't think government has a right to
exist. I think we can build a world
where that is the reality.
But at the same time, I argue from
within this dynamic where I know that, like,
there are people that still wanna vote. And
I always start with that point. I don't
think you should vote. I don't think it
matters, but if you're going to, you know,
and then get into another point where I
talk about where like, for example, the constitution.
I do believe in the constitution

(31:07):
in so far that this system exists, if
that makes sense. Like, I do I I
would argue that from the origin point that
there's none of that should have to be
there in the conversation of, you know, from
a government perspective.
But with the current system, if we're forced
to exist in it, I would argue that
that is a
a positive thing, I guess. If does that
make sense to you, or is that something
that wouldn't really, you know, make sense to

(31:27):
to good. Does that make sense? Well, it
it does. I mean, you're you're right that
we need to have basic human rights codified.
And when I like, when most people say
the constitution, I've what I've noticed is they're
talking about the bill of rights. And there
needs to be some kind of codification
that says, hey. Government doesn't have the ability
to control free speech even though they do.

(31:48):
Mhmm. They don't have the ability to keep
you from, you know, being armed even though
they do. They don't have the ability like,
so it's a good idea,
but the government ignores it. You know, you
should be safe from safe and, you know,
from you should be safe and secure
from
having your your papers and your personal effects

(32:08):
searched by the government at any time,
but it doesn't work. And so, like, it's
it's a great idea,
but it just didn't work. Like like and
then there's some point that kinda like, it
just it it I I'm I'm
dumbfounded and amazed that most constitutional,
you know, Republicans
don't realize that it doesn't work at all.

(32:30):
It hasn't been able the constitution has not
been able to limit government at all at
all at all at all. And the constitution
has not even been able to guarantee even
the most basic of human rights.
And so, like, if you think that we
have a second amendment, you go to Maryland
where they've had, you know, thousands of red
flag

(32:50):
gun confiscations
done by the police. The police are going
away for it, but it says right there
that you've got a second amendment, but they're
gonna take your guns in Maryland through a
red flag law because your neighbor found out
you had guns and told them about it.
And it's like it's that simple.
And so the the constitution's
it doesn't work. And so at some point,
you gotta go,

(33:11):
okay. If that doesn't work, then what does
work? And luckily,
real freedom. And it's so it's like so
it's like amazing. Like, real freedom really delivers
the goods. If you just got government out
of the way, society would flourish. It wouldn't
be, you know, mom, we're not claiming it's
utopia. That's communism. Like, communism's, oh, we just
gotta steal everything. We'll create utopia. We're not

(33:32):
saying that, you know, that you're gonna have
utopia. We're saying it's gonna be a lot
better for the average person. There's gonna be
a lot more,
wealth in society. And and the fact that
there is more wine, cheese, and bread on
the table
means that the the real, the poor, the
needy, disadvantaged,
there's more than enough surplus for them Mhmm.
When society isn't being having

(33:54):
the product of their labor stolen from them
and siphoned,
you know, out the back door in Washington,
DC to the worst,
scummiest
people
imaginable.
Yeah. And as I always simply put it
that, you know, their government always pretends to
remove danger from your life, and the reality
is it simply it it doesn't. Right? There's
danger will always be existent. And with like

(34:15):
you're saying, in that system we just described,
of course, there'll be hardship. There will be
danger. That's that's life. Government simply adds another
form of danger on top of everything else
that's going on. But so I I would
say that, I mean, I think that it's
the reason I asked that question is because
it's like I'm trying to reach the average
people in a way that sort of, like,
can get get them on this this path,
you know? But at the same time, maybe
that's counterintuitive. You know? So it's like these

(34:36):
are the thoughts that are going through my
mind as I'm understanding more of the the
the possible directions in all of this. You
know? So let's talk about,
1st and foremost, with the conversation we're having.
So I asked a couple people, you know,
what what would be the question that would
come to your mind? People that I know
have no have really no understanding about this
dynamic. And one of the questions is right
now is, in your mind,

(34:57):
is there a place in the world right
now that best
comes closest to what you envision? Obviously, there's
nothing I think that is what we're talking
about. Is there a place in the world
you would say is the closest in that
direction right now?
So one of the things that I both
covered in government, the biggest scam in history,
and I'm covering in the new book, Voluntarism,
is these libertarian intentional communities

(35:17):
and communities that have that have that have
gotten rid of government. And so I'll give
you just a couple of of examples.
On,
on the island of Roritan,
off the coast of Honduras
is a,
is a intent libertarian
intentional community called Prospera
that went and leveraged the law that the

(35:39):
Honduran government had passed, to create special economic
zones.
And they negotiated
sovereignty
with the government of Honduras,
and they have started,
they they're over a 1,000, you know, kinda
acres. And they essentially have the lowest taxation.
They've got a negotiated sovereignty.
So besides criminal laws, which which do apply

(36:02):
to the, you know, the government of Honduras.
But like a lot of the the, you
know, the business rules and regulations
and and, you know, they don't apply
in the special economic zone. And so they
have the lowest tax rate and the lowest
regulatory
burden of almost any quote, unquote government. It
is a it is a government,

(36:24):
but it is the tiniest
little fraction of a government that you can
imagine,
and it is succeeding
dramatically to the point of where all of
the commie government surrounded in Cuba and Venezuela.
And and now,
since the since the
the special economic zone law was passed in
Honduras, a more commie socialist government has come

(36:46):
in. And so now they're openly trying to
talking about, oh, we don't want this here.
Look. They're succeeding.
They're we've got they're literally making us look
horrible because they're they they they pay better
wages than the average wage in Honduras. They
have more economic freedom. They have better their,
their
public safety net is portable. They can take

(37:08):
you know, it goes with them. Their retirement
goes with them. It's not it's not the
government's to be able to dole out. And
so they're doing all of these things that
make the governments look bad. So the government
wants to, like, you know, wipe them out.
That's one example.
Another example that I would give is,
the the, the town of Sharon in Mexico,

(37:28):
which kicked out both the federal government of
Mexico and the cartels over a decade ago
and is doing just fine. They don't have
the the federalities don't come around, and the
cartel doesn't come around, and they're self governing
themselves and have been doing it for over,
you know, over over a decade, and they're
doing just fine. That's another example.

(37:48):
And the final example I'd give is the,
the Free State Project in New Hampshire
Mhmm. Which is
concentrating
libertarians
and voluntarists
and peaceful anarchists
and minarchists
and and freedom lovers from around the world
into
New Hampshire. There's over 10,000 that are on
the ground right now.

(38:10):
They've got 25 plus elected members of the
house. They've got a voting bloc with other
freedom oriented Republicans. There's over over a
100,
pro freedom block in the legislature
right now. They're rolling back laws.
They're making they're,
they're,
you know,
empowering freedom in a way that isn't being

(38:32):
done kinda anywhere else.
And so they,
consequently,
New Hampshire doesn't have,
a state income tax. They don't have a
sales a state sales tax.
They are,
they've got one of the tiniest quote unquote
safety nets there, but the people are flourishing.
They have the least amount of poverty. They're

(38:53):
or one of the, like, they're in the
they're in the the bottom five of all
50 states. They've got literally the lee almost
the least amount of poverty. They were number
1 in having the least amount of children
living in poverty.
And so the they've got a tremendous economic
growth. They've got, you know, tremendous, you know,
economy. They've got a tremendous

(39:13):
one of the highest,
average incomes in all of the different states
with the lowest tax and regulatory burden. So
they're kind of proving
something that we know that the more economic
and personal freedom you have, the more economic
prosperity that you have. And so, there's, you
know, think tanks,

(39:33):
Fraser Institute in Canada, Cato here in the
United States. They rank,
both the states
and the countries based on the amount of
personal freedom they have and economic freedom they
have. And across the board, what we know
is the more freedom that you have, the
better that you do economically
and the less, you know, disharmony that you

(39:55):
have among the population.
So so volunteerists just wanna maximize that. And,
like, okay. If we already know that that
is a, you know, a guaranteed dynamic that's
going on, then let's have maximum economic freedom
and maximum personal freedom, and you'll see, society
flourish.
Yeah. I agree. Now interestingly enough,
I actually so I agree with the latter

(40:16):
2. But I did a I I covered
this, and I we we should even talk
d more on this. Maybe we can talk
more in the conference because they this will
be a good question to bring up in
maybe the final panel kind of discussion. But
I I look deeper into the Prospera
conversation.
Now Mhmm. It's actually
the it's owned funded by Peter Thiel. And
I as I dive into this deeper, it
becomes interesting to find out here's this is

(40:37):
the article I did on it. The tech,
under it's called the technocratic regime change. Under
the guise of freedom, technocrats are slowly taking
control. It's a larger conversation.
But what worried me about specifically Honduras and
this is not a pro con discussion of
the other governments around it, but specifically that
what they're doing to me begins to see
more and more like a like an illusion.
Like, okay. What I'm talking about around the

(40:58):
sort of, like, fake, you know, co option
of whether, like, Bitcoin or the libertarian movement
of, like, the Republican side of this, I
feel like this is part of that and
I could definitely be wrong. But what I'm
worried about is that this is ultimately,
trying to tap into what we're what we're
talking about and create this in a way
that is more of a technocratic
takeover. And what I'm noticing is there what's
going on in the local area is actually

(41:20):
almost at the expense of the Honduran people
outside of this area. And there are there
are actually encroaching on a place called Crawfish
Rock where they're claiming that they don't they
have the permission to do it. And the
way it got set up was actually post
an illegal coup from the US government that
Peter Thiel and these companies took advantage of.
And even if even if it ends up
being a positive thing, it's interesting to see
how this is playing out in a illegal

(41:41):
regime change. They actually removed people on the
judges, the court, to be able to get
the law passed, then they revoke the law.
Now they don't care. It's an interesting way
it's happening. So I actually hope that I'm
wrong, and I I I'd like to believe
that this goes in the direction of essentially
fulfilling what we're talking about. But I worry
that there's a a a play happening here.
And and maybe give me your thoughts on
that in general, kind of like the larger

(42:01):
Republican Trump,
Elon Musk, keel kind of direction on techno
technocracy and all that, or just this point?
And do you see that in this, or
do you see that happening in general in
a large way? I just I think it's
an interesting conversation.
So I don't know the extent that that
Thiel has,
has his hooks into Prospera other than being
an investor.

(42:21):
I know Primary primary backer is all I
know. Yeah. Yeah. I've like, I don't even
know if it's the primary backer, but I'll
I can find out I can find that
out and we can reconvene on that. We
should. It's a good company. What I will
say is that that, you know, one of
the things that, that we were very prescient
about is in in my book, government, the
biggest scam in history Mhmm. Exposed, there's only

(42:43):
one,
which was the 5th edition was released in,
early 2020
2 or 2020 2023.
And in that or sorry, 2020
yeah. 3. And in that that 5th edition,
the there was only one politician whose name
appeared three times,

(43:03):
and that was JD Vance. Mhmm. And we
used him as an example
of a CIA
connected,
politician
because
Peter Thiel is a CIA contractor that funded
JD Vance's
campaign to the tune of $15,000,000,
the largest don't single donation to a senate
campaign ever. Mhmm. We built JD Vance, we

(43:26):
also used him as an example
of a CIA controlled media piece. Because there's
dozens and dozens of people within the media
out of, like, the 200 ish that get
to talk about news and current events on
the on the media.
He was a CNN
correspondent.
So,
so because he has been funded by other
CIA contractors, his his,

(43:48):
his venture capital firm is funded by CIA
contractors, Peter Thiel. Mhmm.
Jeff Bezos,
they've got multibillion dollar,
agreements with the CIA for,
for cloud,
computing and web services.
It's just so ridiculous that sorry. Go ahead.
It is so ridiculous. And Eric Schmidt.

(44:10):
God. And so Eric Schmidt is an investor
into his thing. And and CIA like, you
can we have, you know, one of the
one of the documents that we have on
our flash drive, the freedom, the
Liberator is how the CIA created Google,
which breaks down the Highland Forum and, and
the programs
that that that Google came out of and

(44:30):
all of its connections to the military industrial
complex through the Highland Forum
and through, you know, early grants that they
got from DARPA for,
you know, Google Technologies,
the handing of keyhole,
satellite data, which created Google Maps, which made
Google so indispensable
to, you know, to many, many people.

(44:51):
And so, so you've got you've got you've
got you've got CIA contractors
funding this guy, JD Vance. And then the
final example
of JD Vance is we used him as
a textbook
example
of a,
what we called a, creative legend,
which is where the CIA
will give people

(45:13):
an undeserved accolades. Like,
okay. Yeah. Sure. We'll write a best selling
book for you. We'll make you a best
selling author. We'll have Ron Howard and Netflix
come around and make a,
you know, a movie out of your best
selling book right before your senate campaign Right.
You know, to get you so we can
install you in office so that we can
make you the vice president, ultimately make you

(45:35):
the president.
And so Barack Obama, we break down his
connections to the CIA. And and first job
out of college is working for us, a
known CIA front company called Business International Corporation
and and other connections to the CIA. But
the CIA is now installing these politicians
in in the in the country. And I
think Peter Thiel

(45:56):
is one of those conduits
that they're saying, okay. Yeah, Peter. We'll give
you 1,000,000,000 and 1,000,000,000 of dollars
for,
Palantir and for these companies, but you're going
to serve
as some of that money is gonna serve
as you're gonna, you know, you're gonna fund
these people we tell you to fund, and
we're gonna you know, you're going to fund

(46:17):
these causes and these organizations and these groups
or whatever it is. And so I think
that that is, the dynamic that we've seen
with JD Vance. And so then,
you know, we we we list him. He's
the only politician through appears 3 times. We
list him literally as the example of CIA
installed politician, CIA
installed media, and creative legends. And lo and

(46:40):
behold,
he's made
vice president of the United States. How funny
is that? He's got, like, a leading candidate.
You know, he's the the leading candidate to
be vice president of the United States and
probably president
in the next election cycle.
And so, like, we called it, like, a
Babe Ruth Homer.
Yeah. Absolutely did, man. And that there's some
that's a that's that's impressive. Because, I mean,

(47:00):
really, you know, to see that happen. And
and and no and, realistically, nobody I mean,
well, I'm sure some people, but most people
would not have predicted that person would become
vice president with so little background. So it's
interesting. You know? And so this is what
I was kind of laughing of that I
said just burst out laughing. It's just such
a comical, cartoonish you know, those are the
outsiders. That's what jumped into my head. You
know? Like, these are the Yeah. Yeah. Independent

(47:21):
outsiders trying to change the system or fight
the deep state. They represent a better example
of the deep state than anything I see
pointing to today. You know, it's it's incredible
to me. And just for the record, obviously,
I think Kamala Harris and Wallace are all
the same thing. I just find them to
be so
embarrassingly
secondary. Like, I that my honesty since I've
since it comes up and I've said this
on the show many times, I get the
sense that they're almost playing the role of

(47:42):
the clownish underdog. Like, it just that even
people that wanna support her are gonna go,
well, at least Trump's saying he wants to
fight for free speech. You know? Like, they're
driving people in that direction. It's it's a
fascinating thing. But I'm gonna own it. Come
we should come back to that larger conversation.
The the the bigger point of the possibility
of
whether it's technocracy
or any number of, you know, authoritarians sort

(48:03):
of utilizing
the idea like they do with anything for
that matter. A growing momentum gets co opted.
Right? And I'm worried that that might be
part of what we're seeing with this stuff.
You know? And so at the very least,
we should all be on guard for that
exact point. You know?
I agree.
I'd I'd like to go into another question
about like, and this was one of the
ones somebody else asked me. And this I'm
sure you get this all the time. And
so it it and let's go jump to

(48:24):
a world where this has effectively happened. Right?
So now we're in a place where exactly
what you would envision is now in effect.
So the question becomes, what happens then when
somebody goes rogue or a group or something
happens and all of a sudden your society
is challenged by a, you know, a violent
group or somebody who doesn't wanna play their
part? You know? So I I know I'm
sure you got plenty of answers for that.
So how would that go in in that

(48:44):
context in a in a world that this
is in effect?
So in a world where you don't have
the monopoly police,
everybody wants to be safe and secure in
their home. Everybody wants to be safe and
secure at their businesses. Businesses need to be
able to do business. People need to be
comfortable,
you know, going to their home at night.
And so there is a market for armed

(49:05):
protective services
of which the government has installed itself as
the monopoly provider and does a absolute horrible
job. And it's kinda funny because right now,
I'm I'm back in my second hometown, Memphis,
Tennessee right now. And, it's so bad that
every single shopping center, every single business
has to go out and hire

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private security in addition to the free
armed protective services that they're getting getting from
the government.
And so people are already paying they're, like,
having to pay twice because they're not getting
the armed protective services that they're promised by
the government. Doesn't do does such a crappy
job that they have to, you know, hire,

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you know, additional armed
protective services.
And so but the difference between
our you know, the monopoly version and the
private version is, number 1, there's the market
competition. So now you've got companies like ADT
and Brinks and Westech that are already providing
ARM Protect Services today
competing

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for your dollar,
which number one means they're probably gonna do
a better job as you as as, you
know, as Brinks. Who does a better job
of of of protecting, you know, the neighborhoods
in the city? Who does a better job
of getting restitution
instead of retribution?
The government,
system is all about retribution.

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In a in a in a private system,
I don't really care about, you know, retribution.
I wanna get my television back. Mhmm. I
wanna get my money back. I wanna get
I want you to produce
restitution
instead of retribution.
And,
I have the ability to protect my own
life, liberty, and property.
So I can delegate that to armed protective

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services company to exercise on my behalf,
but I don't have the ability of telling
my neighbor that he can't have a poker
game.
I don't have the ability of telling my
neighbor he can't smoke a plant,
so I can't have my armed protective service
guy go over and do something that I
don't have the right to do today.
Whereas the whereas the monopoly,

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you know, government,
they'll they'll throw you in jail for having
a poker game. They'll throw you in jail
for smoking a plant. They'll throw it like
they're they're out there using violence on peaceful
people,
in ways that prove that they're tyrannical and
immoral.
And so you're not gonna get that in
a private system
as just a couple of examples of why

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it would be better. But most people have
never really thought about it because it's not
gonna be on the test. Right? Right. At
the at the government school. And so, you
know, what we're trying to do with Liberty
on the Rocks is well, a lot of
people have thought about it. Some of the
world's leading legal scholars and and and,
and economists.
And we're going to, you know, let you

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see and talk these people that are gonna
talk to you about how we're going to,
build the roads, how we're going to,
you know, deliver the mail without the government.
You know?
By the way, Canada,
privatized air traffic control,
over a decade ago, and planes aren't dropping
out of the sky in Canada.

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There's an one of the examples I've been
do using a lot is there's actually a
a place in Maine called the North Maine
Woods. It's 3 and a half 1000000 acres
of privately protected forest. It's twice the size
of Massachusetts.
It's all privately owned, and all the owner
owners, you know, have thrown in mostly its
timber companies, but there's private landowners and and,

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nonprofits
that are that are, you know, that are
interested in conservation and and things like that.
And it has all of the amenities that
you'd expect from a national park.
You can go hiking there. You can go
hunting. You can go 4 wheeling. You can
do everything you can do in a in
a national park, but it's all private. And
so a lot of people, they they've never
they're they're gonna be shocked. You mean, there's

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a a privately protected park twice the size
of Massachusetts? How did I not know about
this? And these are the things you're gonna
find out about at Liberty on the Rocks.
Outstanding.
Well, so back to the point in regard
to the the enforcement. So what it's interesting
is so so your the answer is essentially
that you and, obviously, the the unspoken obvious
point is you can defend yourself. Right? You

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can Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That that doesn't
go away. Yeah. But but so the in
this case, you could hire somebody. So as,
like, an entity so you run a company,
you can hire somebody to defend that. Mhmm.
And and so the question that I guess
the extension would be I mean, realistically, you
could then make your force attack somebody or
do something. And so I'm trying to get
to the point of how that, like, set
Oh, oh, oh, okay. Yeah. Yeah. So You
know? So so first of all,

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so you so so now let's say one
of these companies wants to go rogue.
Okay?
So number 1,
not a lot of business owners that have
successful companies
wanna risk that Yeah. By, you know, going
and picking, you know, like like, now openly
committing evil and robbing other people, number 1.

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So you're you're not gonna you're really not
gonna have a business owner that's probably gonna
do that. But let's say you do, he's
gone insane and he now, you know, goes
down to the, you know, to the the
room where everybody gets ready and goes, hey.
We're gonna go and invade this other town
or do whatever it is. Well, a lot
of people aren't gonna go along with it.
Number 1, because the people that work there,

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you know, they're like, I didn't really sign
up for that. Number 2, all of these
customers are gonna quit. Right? Right. Hey. Wait
a minute, dude. I'm trying to I'm paying
you to protect me,
not go and and rob other people or
doing whatever it is that you that the
person wants to do so the customers are
gonna quit. And then finally,
if you go to try and attack somebody

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else that has like, if ADT goes to
attack, you know, somebody that has service with
Brink's,
then they're gonna have to face Brink's.
And so so so it's it's there's there's
all of these kind of checks and balances
that the market has
that would prevent something like that from ever
happening. Well and I think the obvious point

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there is that like like like we said
in the beginning, the danger and risk is
not removed in a situation. But so the
there's always gonna be somebody that might choose.
I think the interesting point is, like, you
discussed about self like, the the it kind
of self regulates where the other people involved
wouldn't want that. Now, to be let's just
say hypothetically, obviously, somebody could do that and
maybe even cause violence and maybe even take
something that's not theirs. But I would argue

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that the what you would describe is that
the the towns around them or the people
would no longer want their services, and then
people would ultimately be able to marshal and
push back. And and it's I guess what
we're saying is it's basically the same kind
of dynamic that would happen today ultimately with
less, you know, lack of freedom and government
control over your life. And ultimately, people would
still, like, I think that's what makes the
most sense. And I think what people get
afraid of by that is sort of like

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this almost too much freedom, which is an
actually an interesting point in the conversation today.
There's so many people out there. I don't
mean that in a bad way. For me,
that's what I would want and most people
should. But there's people like, status minded people
that get, like, terrified of the idea that
they have to be responsible for their choices
or that they have to take more responsibility
or that there would be more possibilities like
that. And I think that that is sort
of the detriment to the propagandized

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mindset is some people are almost afraid. Like,
I think there's a portion of people that
want to be ruled.
Oh, there is. A 100 a 100. Talking
about. They want they wanna be led.
And, by the way, that there's, you know,
so there's there's a well understood,
you know, psychological
phenomenon called leaders,
evolutionary leadership theory.
And it says that, you know, that that

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there's a an innate human desire
for a leader, and that this is, you
know, like, we're we're you know, we grew
up. We're tribal. You know, human beings are
are tribal.
And there was it it was an advantage
to having a strong leader. And so over
time, it developed a kind of innate
desire
in in in the majority of the population.

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The difference is if you are a leader,
you don't necessarily need a leader. And so
but a lot of people, they aren't leaders,
so they really, really want a leader. And
so the organized crime system understands this behavioral
psychology, and so they present the population with
either a blue leader or red leader.
And so you you get tricked into choosing

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government leader a or government leader b.
You know, people people think, you know, like,
they're worried about in a in a in
a world without government, how that warlords would
take over.
Well, warlords
have already taken over.
They just pretend
to let you elect them.
They're they're literally pretending

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that you elected them and that that's the
reason why they're in power. But they are
warlords, and they will kill, assassinate
whoever, you know, gets in their way.
You know, but it's but they they don't
do it a lot because then everybody sees
what's happening, and and it becomes obvious that
that, you know, like, what's what's going on.
But every once in a while, the whack

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JFK, like, you know, the whack,
you know, one of their political puppets because
he's not going along with whatever they wanna
do or what with what what what another
faction in the power,
structure wants them to do. Yeah. I I
get back to the earlier point, I that's
what I think is largely shaking people free
from this kind of manipulation is that it's

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on such full obvious display. The average soccer
mom out there that's never even thought about
this stuff is seeing dead children on her
feed, you know, it's like that. It's hard
for people to get past that. And I
think, you know, it's it's the kind of
belligerence of believing you have this control that
maybe more than you do, you know, and
that you're taking action that is, you know,
historically has been easy to get rid of
or deny or just sidestep. It's not happening

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today. And I think that's all the things
we've discussed today kind of altogether.
So let let's end with a point that
I think is important as well. That one
thing I really like about your work is
that you you have a focus on one
of the questions that's, I think, right now,
more so than ever, clearly in everybody's minds.
How do we begin the transition? Right? How
do we make the transition from where we
are? And that's honestly one of the parts
that I struggle with because I, obviously, I

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think we I I mean, I would say
I can see a path, but I think
most people don't understand,
like, who build the roads kind of questions,
how to begin that point. I think there's
so many so much propagandized almost to the
cult level mentality that these people will fight
to defend the illusion. So to the question,
how do we begin that transition? How do
we make the first step, and what do
you think that would be?
The first step is is getting together

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with acknowledged experts and having them explain to
the population how that this could be done
Mhmm. And the illegitimacy
and the criminality of government, which is what
we're trying to do with Liberty on the
Rocks.
And so, you know, one of the things
that I like is is I like to
make,
I like to make it fun.
And so just to give everybody like, like,

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a like so that's the overall thing that
we're trying to do is we're trying to
have some of the leading experts in law
and economics come
and begin to explain to the population, hey.
You don't really need government. Assage their fears
and explain what a better world,
would look like and the benefits of having,
you know, this this, this,

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peace more peaceful way of organizing
society.
But we also want everybody to have a
good time.
And so, so on Saturday, November 2nd, you
know, we're going to be streaming this event
live. But on Friday night, we're opening it
up with, with a,
kind of the quintessential Sedona experience.

(01:00:23):
We're gonna have a a group guided meditation
around something called the bio charger, which amps
up,
intention and and,
supercharges
group meditations.
Nice. We're going to have a sound bath
by Peter Sterling, who's a world renowned harpist.
And then we're gonna have a party and
a concert with Grant Allman,

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Presence.
Grant Presence Allman is, is headlining, but also,
Derek Bros and Larkin Rose are gonna be,
bringing their musical gifts as well.
And then on Sunday, we're gonna have a
fun day, and we're gonna take everybody out.
We're gonna do some yoga on the rocks.
We're gonna have a have a group hike.

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We're gonna have a group lunch. We're gonna
have a barbecue that night. And, really, we're
gonna begin, you know, come on out, meet
people, and understand that there is a a
liberty movement around you. The people are super
cool.
Everybody's having a good time. We try and
make it fun to resist. And the more
fun that we make it, then I I
think the more people that join us. And

(01:01:26):
so that's what we try and do when
we have these these events. I love it,
man. I really I think it's a powerful
thing. And, you know, and it gives
I think this is what we need more
of and, like, to emulate this idea and
and make it about the not just, like,
here's what you should learn and here's what
you should think, but actually the community part
of it, which I which is what I
think, you know, more obviously, more than, you
know, 2 days of the community, one of

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the event. And I actually think this is
more the more of the importance. Obviously, the
all of this is very important, so I'm
really glad you're doing this. I I'll end
with one more question, actually. And I guess
to kind of extension of what we're saying,
is ultimately
the average person out there that never heard
any of this before. Right? This is the
first time I've ever heard these ideas and
are going, okay, I wanna start doing this
in my life. But, you know, they have

(01:02:08):
a job or they pay taxes and they
vote, you know, and everything else. What would
be an easy beginning step for them in
your mind to to kind of begin their
journey in this path?
Start paying cash.
But like like my my number one thing
is that, you know, like the number one
thing that everybody can do is just pay
in cash and keep cash alive is to
try and keep us from being herded into
a central bank digital currency or a cashless

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world where they can turn off people's ability
to to to buy and sell.
It's to turn off the television. It's to
get you know, to begin to educate yourself.
Just move 5% of your entertainment
into education.
Yeah. It's to get organized in real life.
Start
a a freedom sell. Start a a meetup
group.

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Get together with your you know, with like
minded people.
Start a commute start a garden.
Buying your own food or, like, growing your
own food is like pruning your own money.
Mhmm. Start a community garden.
Those are just, like, a small handful of,
like, little bitty things that you can do
that are going to benefit you,

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in you know, innumerably,
whether or not we're successful in the short
term, the medium term, or the long term,
all of those things are going to, to
be good for you.
Also, one more thing on paying in cash.
You're you're first of all, you're starving the
banks that are at the top of 1.5
to 2.5
percent on every transaction.

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At the same time that you're making that
local, especially when you're doing business, you know,
locally, you're making that merchant an additional 1.5
to 2.5 percent.
And you're allowing
the merchants to keep that money off of
the books.
So maybe they can afford a guitar lesson
for their son or daughter or, you know,
they can, you know,

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put their kid into a school outside of
the government system.
The more money that we can keep in
the, in the local economy, the better. And
so these are some of my favorite things
they can do. Absolutely. Yeah. And it's a,
it's a great list to start. And I
would add one point to also, as he
highlighted before, immerse yourself in the community around
those activities. Right? Learn from the people around

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you and how they've grown and understand this
because that's I mean, again, the communities, it
is a very powerful part of this. So
thank you for for being here today and
breaking this all down. I'm really looking forward
to the upcoming event. And I will say
here, make sure you don't miss the side
event that we're doing as well, which is
a kind of behind the scenes, which this
will be streamed through TLav, and I'll be
interviewing the people before they go on stage,
talking to the crowd. You'll probably see clips

(01:04:38):
of this very interview and different things throughout
the day. It'll be an all day event.
So I'm really looking forward to this and
honored to be a part of it. Anything
else you wanna leave us with on the
way out? You know, other other upcoming events
and just, kind of words of wisdom on
the way out? Oh, I would say,
the website is sedona.artofliberty.org.
And I've got a new book coming out,
like I said, Voluntarism,

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How the Only ISM Fair for Everyone Leads
to,
Harmony, Prosperity, and Good Karma for All.
And so that's gonna really,
you know, kind of break down the how
you would do it in the same image
and visualization
rich format that, that I did with the
book government, the biggest scam in history.
Outstanding.

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Well, I highly recommend you all check it
out. I do think that people
are ready for this information, and it might
just kind of open your mind to what
you've always been thinking you needed. Right? I
think that's one of the problems is there
are people out there that
see all this. They recognize it's a problem,
but then
end up going, well, I'll vote for the
lesser of evil. Guess what? There's other paths
that can be taken. And I think that's
one of the earliest things to kinda reach

(01:05:39):
people with. So thank you, my friend, for
being here. And as always, everybody out there,
question everything.
Come to your own conclusions. Stay vigilant. How
do you create a successful Liberty movement? How
do you create a successful Liberty community? So
I wanna welcome everybody to, to Liberty on
the Rocks. For those of you in the
audience unfamiliar with volunteerism,
it's the idea that all relations

(01:05:59):
between people
must be voluntary.
You can decide for yourself if you're a
fan of law and order. I am not.
I'm a big fan of voluntary,
peaceful order.
Our local government is executing
World Economic Forum
agendas
through the UN Sustainable

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Development Goals. If you're voting for, advocating, or
supporting government, then you are number 1 voting
to rob your friends and neighbors who disagree.
You're advocating
violence as a solution to socioeconomic
problems,
and you're legitimizing
the system that is enslaving you. You know,
I'm trying to make an impact nationally and
internationally, but one of the things I do
wherever I go is I wanna make an

(01:06:40):
impact locally.
And so I got plugged in with a
local Liberty Group and I met a whole
bunch of really, really amazing people that were
already working towards Liberty and Sedona. Once you
see it, you can't unsee it. Then we
have a responsibility
to do something about it. They have to
frame it in such a way so that
the well intentioned
good people

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cheer for evil. No one gets to use
violence or extortion on anyone else. No one
gets an exemption from morality, especially the government.
And no one gets the ring of power
because there isn't a ring of power.