Vanessa Beeley Interview – The Gaza Technocracy Incubator & The Global Resistance Last Stand - The Last American Vagabond

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This is the dystopia that we have been
talking about in the west. And when you
look at 2030 road map between Israel and
the UK,
all of this technology is being developed on
the back of the genocide of Palestinians, but
it's gonna be used against us. We need
to make the connection between what is happening
in West
Asia, what the resistance is trying to do,

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because the resistance are aware of Netanyahu's
vision of a new order. They're very aware
of it, and they literally feel
they are fighting this war
for everybody.

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Welcome to the last American vagabond joining me
again today. And it's been a long hiatus.
I haven't seen her in a while. Vanessa
Bealy, always honored to have her on the
show because she is so immersed in these
topics, always has more insight, more in-depth objective
non partisan information than pretty much anybody else
out there. Bringing on today to discuss kind
of what's going on in the Middle East,
her perspectives on Lebanon, Gaza, all the different

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overlaps, Syria, and kinda just see how she
perceives a lot of what's happening. And we
can talk about Zionism and influence on the
upcoming election selection,
conversations about just different dynamics, the blocking of
aid, and so on. We have plenty of
talk plenty of things to cover today. So,
Vanessa, how are you? It's always a pleasure
to have you on the show.
Oh, hi, Ryan. It's always nice to be
back on with you. And, yeah, it has

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been too long. So it's it's really good
to be back. Yeah. It's good to see
you. I'm glad you're doing good. I mean,
I'm I know you're always putting yourself in
dangerous positions, so it's nice to see that
you're doing well.
So so where where are you right now?
And if you wanna get into that, then,
you know, what what are you currently looking
for? I mean,
you know, I'm in
Damascus, which is

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relatively
calm, although, of course, Israel,
did bomb central Damascus
a couple of times in the last 2
weeks carrying out attempted assassinations
and assassinations, and, of course, in the process,
killing civilians and
destroying,
residential apartments in the center of one of
the busiest areas

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of Damascus.
And the last attack, of course, was at
one of the busiest times.
But we also know that what Israel is
trying to do,
with the potential
of increasing or escalating,
the aggression in Syria is, of course, it
has been
bombing various areas in central
coastal Syria, southern Syria,

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basically trying to clear a pathway,
through the air defense and,
radar,
you know, early warning radar systems.
And right now, of course, in collusion with
Israel, we have a new front that is
actually being sorry. I've got a noisy cat
for 2 seconds.

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That's being basically launched by Al Qaeda,
in or Haqqani or Sham as they're now
known, of course. They've been rebranded multiple times,
in the northwest in Idlib. And so the
Syrian Arab Army has been mobilizing to the
northwest to try and deal
with really an expansion of that aggression or,

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let's say, a reignition
of that aggression
with Ukrainian backing now,
alongside
US and Turkish.
Turkey is is basically providing surveillance. It has
military bases in the northwest
and in the north where it's annexing
effectively Syrian territory

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and is
using as a proxy
what were formerly known as the Free Syrian
Army,
that are now known as the,
oh, god, the Syrian National Army. I always
get so mixed up with all of the
new monarchies that they put on them to
try and disguise the fact it's the same
guy. You know?
So, you know, Syria

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as I say, Syria isn't seeing,
the real heat of the battle yet,
but it's you know, we're kind of bracing
ourselves,
because
here, people know that what stands between escalation
here,
is Hezbollah.
Mhmm.
So the war in Lebanon is is is
sort of

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pivotal to what happens next,
in Syria, basically.
Well, so a few things on Syria since
we start there in in so in regard
to the larger perspective. Well, actually, first, before
we get to that, how it fits in
everything. So it's interesting. So we're talking about
Idlib yet again. Right? So Mhmm. Those that
may not have watched, meant our many different
interviews over the years of this discussion or

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your work over it or just the, Brett
McGurk himself highlighting it as the biggest hotspot
for Okta. You know, so how explain how
that fits in today. So you're talking about
a location that the US is working through
today with foreign with other foreign partners through
Idlib?
Yeah. Absolutely. I mean, you know, the US
is working
basically,
you can go from

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the south up the eastern border
into the northeast.
The north is pretty much
central northern areas or under the control of
Turkey and its proxy forces, but, of course,
Turkey is a NATO member state. And then
into the northwest, you've got,
Abu Mohammed Jollani, who, if you remember PBS,

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tried to kind of normalize and put him
in a suit and brush him up a
bit and make him look human.
But this guy was formerly with ISIS, then
Al Qaeda or Nusra Front, and and then,
basically, as I said, it was rebranded into
Hayatollah Al Sham.
It formed the Salvation,
government. So in other words, you know, the

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west was trying to present this as a
legitimate opposition,
to the legitimate,
Syrian government and the internationally recognized Syrian government.
Well, so just really so for for those
that are you know, because we I'm in
a really positive way. We do have a
lot of new people in these conversations and
new eyes on these conversations that have never

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been here before and really in a really
positive way. And whether that's because of the
COVID 19 illusion or the, you know, kind
of dissolving conversation around Zionism.
So on that point, somebody who may be
confused by going, wait, did she just say
ISIS? And so the so, you know, I
know this is structurally puratory. Right? So what
we're talking about an ISIS Al Qaeda, and
you're saying that the US government is working

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with these assets. Correct? And this location is
where they're, as even Brett McGurk, not too
long ago said, one of the biggest hot
spots in the area. So just explain why
that is the case for those that might
be shocked to hear you say that they're
working alongside US entities.
Well, basically, I mean, ISIS grew out of
what was really Al Qaeda in,
Iraq and and from,

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you know, the the black sites, the CIA
black sites in Iraq.
And they were given, let's say,
the time period in order to be incubated,
in order to form the organization,
and so on by the US. You know,
this this is a pretty well known fact.
And then, of course,

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they were used, yes, they were weaponized, both
Al Qaeda and ISIS,
as,
proxies of the US to overthrow the Syrian
government. Now in 2016 in September,
John Kerry, under the Obama administration,
secretary of state,
was recorded in a closed,
session at the UN speaking to,

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Syrian opposition activists, and that's that's a euphemism.
Terrorist
adjuncts, let's say, including, the White Helmet Organization
that was midwived by the CIA and the
MI 6 in order to,
let's say, give a humanitarian
cover
to the terrorist groups and also to provide

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the propaganda, including the chemical weapons fabricated staged
events that were used to criminalize the Syrian
government and Russia.
Mhmm. And in that closed session, what he
what he basically says was they allowed ISIS
to flourish,
because they believed that ISIS would be able
to overthrow
the Syrian government. So that was a very

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clear admission.
Right. And all I was gonna say really
quickly, all all make sure you check out
the many, many different interviews that Vanessa's had
around the world, but with t level alone,
about the white helmets, about the the reality
of all of this. I just on a
side note, I recommend you take a deep
dive back in a lot of her work
and we've talked about because all this stuff
is not new information. But for some people,

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it may be shocking. But so with, you
know, Al Tom for the Al Rupan camp
or whatever, that that location and Idlib, we're
talking about sort of the control of the
flow through land bridges and so on Mhmm.
And really just working alongside the terrorists. Right?
The moderate rebels. And so that's interesting for
new people to see. And so in that
so in that context, we're talking about that
little dynamic working with Israel. So how does

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that play
in the larger picture of what people are
seeing who may kind of just be waking
up to some of these foreign policy dynamics?
Right? So we see Israel
occupy the occupation of Palestine, the ongoing situation
there, occupying Lebanon, occupying parts of Syria. So
what's Israel designed in this, and why is
it suddenly relevant to the ongoing Middle East
conversation?

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Well, if you go back to,
1997 and the clean break doctrine,
that was commissioned by
Netanyahu
back then, so he's effectively
been in control of these events largely,
for the past 3 decades.
Now the clean break doctrine
talked
openly about destroying Iraq as the road to

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Damascus, destabilizing
Damascus,
effectively,
partitioning the region,
bringing,
let's say,
less radical, this is Israel's language,
Arab, Sunni Muslim states like the Gulf states,
like Jordan, like Egypt on board. In other

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words, normalization
with those nations to
prevent them from
joining the resistance access to end the Zionist
occupation in the region.
And then, you know, it's it's a very
long and convoluted history, but, you know, I'm
gonna really try to kind of condense it
down. But, effectively,

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what is Syria? Syria is the backbone of
the resistance axis. So that resistance axis runs
from, if you imagine it, like like literally
a spine. So from Palestine,
through Lebanon,
through Syria,
into Iraq, and then into Iran, and, of
course, Yemen is also included in in that

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track.
Now Syria is the central hub. It's the
central land bridge. It is literally the spine
of the resistance, and that's why
this war was started in 2011, to break
the spine,
to destroy that land bridge
where Iran and and other players can supply,

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the resistance with with arms even with humanitarian
aid, of course, with oil because the US
is occupying Syrian
oil and agricultural resources
in the northeast and even in the northwest
under Al Qaeda, and Al Qaeda have a
monopoly
on the processing of the oil that is
being stolen,

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by the US and its proxies, whether ISIS
or now, of course, the Kurdish
separatists
known as the YPG or the SDF.
And so
for Israel, it was always incredibly important to
bring Syria to heal. Now after 9/11,
Tony Blair and,
George w Bush attempted to do it through,

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let's say, courting president Assad,
trying to bring him
into the fold,
trying to,
attract him to the Qatari pipeline instead of
the Russian backed Iranian
oil pipeline,
which, of course, he turned down in 2009.
And and from then on, basically, the insurgence,

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against the Syrian government was planned, and the
overthrow was planned because the courting of Assad
didn't work. He wouldn't relinquish,
the Palestinian cause. He wouldn't,
force Hezbollah to leave Syrian territory, where many
of them had established themselves
after
the Nakba in 1948
when

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750,000
plus Palestinians were ethnically cleansed
by the Zionists.
And so therefore,
the regime change war began on behalf of
Israel, and Israel has consistently provided weapons
to the armed groups. It's provided
medical treatment to the armed groups. I even

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went to the south
and saw,
when it was basically liberated and saw the
hospitals that Israel had built on the border
to treat the armed groups. Those hospitals were
then dismantled,
but strewn all over the ground was Israeli,
labeled pharmaceuticals
and equipment,
that had been left behind in in the

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rush to sort of get out of there.
So Israel has, from the beginning, supported
the destabilization
and the partitioning
of Syria,
and therefore, of course, it supported
the Kurdish separatist settlement in the northeast.
Because
if you look at the map of greater
Israel, and people may not be aware of

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what this means, but effectively,
the Zionist movement has always
historically
been
an expansionist movement,
and it has always perceived I mean, we're
we're seeing a lot more of that language
now from Smotrich and Ben Gavir
that they believe
it is their historical

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and religious right
to expand their territory
into 3 quarters of Syria, leaving the northeastern
section, which of course then explains why the
US and the Kurds are occupying the territory
east of the Euphrates,
Jordan, Saudi Arabia,
Iraq,

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sections of Turkey even, I believe,
will become
and, of course, Lebanon and and Palestine, that
goes without saying,
will become greater Israel.
And so therefore, what you know, in my
opinion, what we are seeing now
is the attempted realization

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of this project to effectively take control of
all territories.
In Palestine, that's definitely what we're seeing. We'll
talk about what's going on in Gaza with
the
separation of the north from the central and
southern,
parts of the strip because that's that's an
aerial churron,
5 fingers planned project

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that is now being kind of
reintroduced, in my opinion.
And then, of course, Lebanon, what's going on
in in Lebanon. It's not only a war
against Hezbollah, it's a war to recapture the
territory that they lost in 2,000 and 2,006,
and in my opinion, to take control,
of Lebanon entirely

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and then to expand,
into
Syria.
So on the Syrian point,
so you basically as you just described, it
is so this is a war that the
US government and its allies are fighting on
behalf of Israel, at least from Israel's perspective,
to to
to see to fruition its greater Israel project.
And so, it the this is a very

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easily verifiable reality that it's interesting how few
people actually know this as they're pointing at
all their adversaries saying they want to, you
know, Hamas will take over the world if
we let them out of Gaza. You know,
it's while they're actively doing this or the
Azov movement for that matter that they also
fund who has the same mentality from a
different perspective. So, that's really fascinating. I think
that's important for average people who are just

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kind of introduced to this topic to recognize
how the US is being used in that
way. So last point on Syria, unless you
have any other aspects you wanna bring into
it. Sure. How how did how is Russia
playing a factor in this? I guess, and
the main point being,
you know, people often ask why they would
allow or Syria wouldn't respond or would continue
to allow
these unjustified illegal attacks on Syria with little

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response. And if it goes further to the
point where you're saying it seems to do,
what you what do you think, in your
opinion, would Russia do, if anything?
That's a really good question, and it's one
that I get asked very often.
You know, and and the problem is what
people need to be aware of is that
Zionist media is very good at at planting

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the seeds of doubt.
Right? Like, recently, there was a report that
the Russians had evacuated
their
watchtowers
or bases in the south. Now this was
complete nonsense.
What actually was happening
was
one guard was leaving and another was replacing
it. So it had nothing to do with
them actually evacuating.

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But the problem is this this gets released
into kind of chosen
aligned Arab media,
and then it gets picked up even by
friendly media. And and it before you know
it, everyone's thinking Russia's abandoning
Syria in the south. You know? And the
same thing happened with the air defenses when,

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I don't know if you remember, but Russia
removed one air defense system.
I I think it was from near Mesyaf,
so in kind of close to the,
Hama,
Homs area,
kind of central western Syria.
But the reality is
they didn't need it in that area anymore,

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and the chances are I haven't actually verified
yet. But everybody was saying to me, I
think we're they're actually gonna update it.
So, again, you know, this rumor that that
that they were sending their air defenses from
Syria,
to Ukraine,
and interestingly, there's another rumor going around today
that's even been picked up by Syrian accounts
saying that, oh god. All the Hezbollah troops

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are leaving Syria to go back to Lebanon.
No. They're not.
Or, you know, the 40,000
Yemeni
soldiers that were supposed to have arrived in
Syria. And I kept saying to people, how
do you think
40,000
troops are gonna enter
a very, very, very small border crossing at
Al Bukamal that is the only part that
isn't under the control of the United States

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and its various terrorist proxies
and not surveilled well, it is surveilled by
Israel, and Israel regularly bombs this area. How
are 40,000 troops gonna enter this area across
the all of Syria
and go to an area
that is occupied
by Israel?
You know, this is the problem.

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These kind of rumors get generated,
and, unfortunately,
people don't engage their own rationale.
Right. You know, if if a trusted account
puts this information out, they're like, oh my
god. For do you know what I mean?
And I'm not criticizing
people for this.

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If I'm criticizing anyone, it's those accounts, those
influencer accounts that are putting the information out
without any verification,
without any fact
checking at all.
And people I I genuinely say this from
the heart. People really need to be aware
of this
and to verify information
with trusted sources that are on the ground,

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who know exactly
what is going on or who can ask.
You know, there's a lot of sensationalism
going on. Sorry. I've kind of
diverged from your actual question. It's it's a
very important point. Go no. Go ahead. I
was gonna comment and we'll keep keep going.
Yeah. Go ahead. Sorry. Oh, just no. Just
that point is is very important today. And

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I think that it it's I would argue,
like, to your point, the the secondary part
is that, you know, it's it's
I think we've been engineered to be in
this position. Twitter files is a great example
of how they sort of engineered or, you
know, drove us or a lot of people
to
exactly that and take screenshots at face value
because of the the trusted source. And so
it kinda kinda and your people to think
that's what you're supposed to do and other

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examples of that. And so, yes, we do
need that's what question everything, that's our motto,
is all about. Right? That's how it's always
should have been. It doesn't mean ignore anything,
but just you gotta apply the equal skepticism
even to people you trust because we could
just be wrong. You know? Yeah. And I
I think it's being engineered that way for
very obvious reasons because, as you say, it's
it's a important tactic to dump this kind
of stuff in in a conversation. Like, you

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know, Russia's leaving and all of a sudden,
it can ultimately snowball into real world effects
where people then make their choices based on
that being real, and then more people do
leave. And and they know this. You know?
And so it's important right now more than
ever as you're highlighting whether it's Israel or
anybody else. The US government seems to be
the primary. Like, frankly, Israel's propaganda is pretty
weak in most regards. However, affected work that

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anybody blows my mind, but the US government
is really good about constantly dumping these things
in the field, and I see the partisan
conversation going wild today. So I think it's
a really good point for people to to
resonate on and see how you know, it's
everywhere. It's everywhere. Please continue. Yeah. You know,
just take a deep breath before you before
you share information, basically.
But, coming back to to Russia,

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I mean, recently,
there was an attack, which I think was
a combined Israeli terrorist attack. So the terrorists
in Idlib were sending drones, and Israel was
attacking,
from the Mediterranean.
Although I have a slight theory on
and and it is totally a theory. It's

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totally speculation.
It's just,
you know, NATO has been building up troops
on Cyprus, and Cyprus is very close to
the coastal areas of Syria
because I was really questioning
how is Israel managing
to be bombing Gaza, bombing West Bank, bombing

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Lebanon, bombing
Syria,
you know, on on multiple occasions
simultaneously.
And I I did start to wonder whether
US, UK are actually directly getting involved in
carrying out attacks on behalf of Israel without
admitting it.
That's frightening. Yeah.

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Because they are obviously in in Yemen.
But, anyway so on on during that attack,
there was a warehouse which was attacked very
close to the Khomeini base, which is the
Russian
basically, a naval base, but also
a military
base, on the coastal area of Tartus.
And Russian air defenses were engaged.

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And I know that immediately after the attack,
which went on for about 2 hours, there
were Russian jets,
patrolling the coast,
you know, looking for any enemy
planes.
And what people need to understand, there's 2
things. 1 is Russia respects the sovereignty of
Syria.

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So to a large degree,
in collaboration with Damascus, so everything is done
through negotiation with Damascus and discussion at a
military level, at a diplomatic level, at a
political level, at an economic level.
Nothing is done without the partnership of Damascus.
So in my opinion, yeah, you know, Russia

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has a policy
that the Syrian air defense is actually very
capable of bringing down
the majority of the Israeli missiles.
And so it's hands off,
you know, but at the same time, they
are helping behind the scenes to develop the
equipment that, Syria has,
to provide

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updated equipment, etcetera.
And on multiple occasions, they have buzzed,
American and Israeli planes or drones,
or they brought down American drones,
but out of Syrian airspace. So they have,
a kind of very low key role, and
one thing Russia is very, very bad at

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is self publicity. It doesn't do it, and
I don't understand why not. It doesn't understand
the importance
of altering people's perceptions. It really doesn't. It's
it's really bad at this. It's an interesting
point though in in this day and age.
Like, I've always seen you know, I do
my best to try to keep it as
a, you know, I I think I I
have a I've I'm anti government, let's put

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it that way. So I have a hard
time I don't see it as good guy,
bad guy. You know? But I I I
see at the same time, though, that he
Putin in particular, their government's actions in general
have consistently shown themselves to be very strategic,
very measured. You know, they're not responding to
all of the clumsy, belligerent actions of what
we've been seeing from our policy. You know,
I really and I see that constantly. And
so to me, I would almost reflect on

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that as recognizing where we are today. What
you because you come out and you say
something about yourself, it's it almost gets perceived
as the opposite by people who are already
been kind of seeded against you in certain
perspective. Like, I almost see in a way
that if you don't do it, people then
see that as a positive. I guess that
would just be my first you know, I
guess what I'm saying in the larger sense
is that Russia has shown itself to be
so strategic in these ways that it doesn't

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fall into these traps and in a way
thinking 2 steps ahead when the US and
Israel are sort of reacting to everything that's
happening. And I would see that in that
kind of line. You know? Do you think
that makes sense at all?
Yeah. And I think, you know, what people
maybe
miss
is that,
yeah. You know, I understand
being against government.
But the fact is that in when you

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pivot east, you do have real statesmen
and women.
You do have real spokespeople. We used to
have them in the last,
but I mean,
I I can't pinpoint
at at which point it just deteriorated
into clown land, basically.
I could put it give a good guess.
Yeah.

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But, you know, sure, we don't we don't
have whether you agree with them or not.
You know, I remember watching
Tony Ban and and,
Heath and people under Ghoul and Chirac, but
but you didn't have to agree with them,
but at least they were statesmen.
Yeah. At least they had opinions.
You know? And, well, you can see the

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hand behind them kind of Right. Well, it's
kinda my point about Russia in general is
that, you know, it doesn't it it it
you you can praise the action
and the statement state statemanship
That's the word. You know, in in in
without it being, like, they're the good guy
versus the bad guy. I just think it's
important to keep it out of that from
a journalistic perspective, which, you know so I
agree with you, though. And I think that

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they've represented themselves. You know, it's always the
question of whether these are actions from a
government that are, you know, like, reading the
room. Anybody that's aware to concede the belligerence
of the US government is it could maybe
they're acting in good intention for their people
or they recognize that it's advantageous to play
that role. Either way, it's a positive thing.
They're they're doing the right thing as it
were. You know? So I I think that's
important to see. And I think that what

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we're what the reactions are in my opinion
would be that it's, you know, why come
out with all of the showmanship when I
feel like I sense too that nobody buys
it anymore? Everybody leans into it because they
have an agenda or they're, you know, hate
the other side, and then everybody else is
kinda like, they're all lying. You know? That's
the sense I get today. That that's, anyway,
how I would read it. Yeah. No. No.
It's true. So I think, you know,

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Russia is is very aware of what's going
on, and, of course,
it has vested interest in Syria. So it's
in Russia's interest
to eventually
defend
their interest in Syria.
And I think now what what we are
seeing is a kind of
a diffusing of the the borders between the

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wars.
So now you've got Ukrainian
advisers, military advisers coming into Idlib to train,
you know, the Al Qaeda forces there. They've
also been in the northeast
according to,
reports about a year ago, I think,
again, to try and
work with the Kurdish

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separatists there.
And that's under the auspices of the US,
of course, and the UK and then, you
know, that entire kind of alliance of regime
change.
And so so the war from Ukraine is,
if you like, now
it had already been low key spilling into
Syria because there were so many mercenaries, both

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foreign mercenaries and
terrorist mercenaries going from Syria to fight in
Ukraine because the money's better.
But but now you've you've got Ukraine coming
into Syria training, providing weapons, providing technology, providing
equipment. I mean, the latest kind of PR
video put out by the

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armed groups in Idlib just looks like Ukraine.
You know, from the uniforms
to to the weapons to the training,
and I think to the ISIS tactics and
to capture on the videos? Yeah. No. They've
all got kind of different colored bandanas on
to make them look so as if they're
Al Qaeda. I
mean, it, you know, it it really does
become

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I've I've seen in the I've seen at
least 4 videos where and, like, on like,
there's even one I'm sure you've seen the
CNN one where they even eventually blurted out
where the guy's doing a sig aisle in
the middle of the street. But you can
see, like, ISIS patches, and it's very real.
You're catching them all over the place. You
know? Like so what what how what just
on a quick before we jump into Gaza,
how is that not regarded as the world
war? Just as an interesting ridiculous point. Like,

(29:28):
any other metric in the past we've ever
argued 1, World War 1, World War 2,
like, the you're just describing the bleed over
on these this is we're in the midst
of World War 3. I mean, that's not
meant to be like a we should all
be scared. I mean, there are reason to
be concerned, obviously, but I just I think
we should acknowledge that that's not some kind
of line that's about to be crossed. That's
been going on for a long time. Would
you agree with that? No. No. It's, yeah.
I mean, it's it's really been going on

(29:50):
for a long time even before Ukraine.
Because if you imagine all the players that
were fighting each other in Syria.
Exactly. Right? I mean, Iran, you had China,
you had you have still
Russia,
you have the Gulf States, you have Israel,
you have the US, the UK, the EU.
I mean, it's endless. What was it? I
mean,

(30:11):
tens of countries
involved in in the regime change war against
Syria. It was insane. I know. It shows
you absolutely as already.
Yeah. That was a a sort of
low intensity
world war already. That's before you brought Ukraine
in and and the threats against China,
and now, of course, the ramping up of

(30:32):
rhetoric against Iran.
Israel's preparing
to,
retaliate,
although,
you know, under international law, Iran retaliated
for the attacks that Israel carried out in
against the embassy here in Damascus, which, by
the way, killed a number of civilians and
injured many others, including

(30:52):
2 friends of mine.
And and,
and then the assassination
of Ishmael Haniya in Tehran.
So, you know, no one ever says to
Israel, can you stop?
Right.
You know, the
the the messaging always goes out to Iran
or to Yemen or to, Lebanon. Please don't

(31:13):
retaliate. Don't do anything. Just let Israel come
in,
steal your territory,
bomb your homes, kill your civilians, massacre your
children, burn them alive, but, you know, please
don't do anything about it. Just let them
get on with it.
Well, I mean, there's no way to misunderstand
how they present this every time. It's, you
know, immediately,
you know, how dare you don't you know,

(31:33):
everyone has got a right to defend themselves
in the moment. It's their turn. No. Don't.
You better not. Or now you're terrorists. Yeah.
Yeah. You know, even even when confronted with
this multiple times,
I think it might have been Brent Thacker,
forget who it was in the state department.
But Matt Miller put to it, you know,
well, does a wrong thing have a right
to defend itself? And the way that they
so clumsily try to avoid the car and
eventually even get put to it and make
the point that, no, they really don't because

(31:54):
they're terrorists. That might have been,
I forget his name now. The Indian guy.
I forget his name.
What what did they
No. What happened? Kirby. No. The other the
other state department guy. But either way, the
point is basically
Yeah.
That that basically, they just they they they
get when get cornered because of the way
the this is what I love about some
of the people in that room these days.
So they really are doing a good job

(32:15):
trying to, like, use they corner them logically.
Right? Then you kinda get screwed, and they
have to argue that, well, they don't have
a right to defend themselves because they're terrorists.
And then it comes back to the idea
that then you just get to arbitrarily name
people terrorists. You know? So let let let's
bring this into Gaza because I think this
is obviously,
at least from the world perspective, but I
would agree it is a central kind of
linchpin to a lot of what's happening from

(32:36):
Israel's perspective, from the way the US is
involved.
So what I guess, let's just start with
where with the current updates. I think my
audience is very involved and aware of what's
been going on, you know, for 76 years
in general, but since October 7th. So, you
know, what what do you wanna get into
with Gaza? You started with the partition plan.
We can talk about that and the kind
of about to be retaken. It's always been

(32:58):
occupied, but that whole effort, the surrender or
starve plan, go ahead and start wherever you'd
like.
Mhmm. Well, I mean, I think no. It's
it's becoming increasingly clear that, you know, Netanyahu's
dystopian plan
for Gaza,
that I wrote about and spoke about extensively,
they are still on track for this, you
know.

(33:19):
And many people kind of dismissed it as
it was just, you know, a totally out
there concept.
But the reality is what you're seeing now
with this
partitioning
off of the north in Jabaliya,
for example,
and the usage of the,
god, my mind's just gone blank, the Netvareem

(33:41):
Netvareem
Mhmm.
Corridor, which which transverses,
wait, east to west,
is basically being reestablished
as
the kind of hideous
divide between north and south that it always

(34:01):
used to be, where there were checkpoints and
and there were daily,
you know, abuse and and murder of Palestinians
trying to cross from the south to the
north. This was when,
there were settlers still inside Gaza, of course,
before,
Ariel Sharon withdrew them all.
And now Ariel Sharon had an original plan

(34:22):
for Gaza, which was to divide it into
5 fingers, he called it. It was known
as the 5 finger plan.
So he was gonna divide it into 5
cantons,
where the Palestinians that were living there were
totally under control
of
the settlers,
the armed settlers as we know, the ISIS

(34:43):
settlers as they call them,
and
the Zionist military.
Now, of course, the plan has evolved into
the cantons
will
be created. Everything will be destroyed
inside
those cantons, and the Palestinians that want to
remain will be put into what are effectively

(35:03):
mini Gaza's closed settlements
under the control of what,
the plan has described as an Arab army.
So
you're talking about UAE,
Jordan. I mean, they're all denying it at
the moment. They're all kind of saying no
no No. No. No.
But I think it was UAE that came
forward and kind of said, well, they might

(35:23):
consider it now. So, you know,
this is just rhetoric.
These kind of denials mean nothing to me
because these people are on board. These countries
are on board. These leaderships are on board.
The Abraham Accords that were brought in under,
president Trump's administration
were effectively
a continuation of the Oslo agreements, which totally

(35:45):
depoliticized
the Palestinian cause, enabled
further theft of Palestinian
territory,
and what the Abraham Accords did, of course,
is to
normalize
relations
with
UAE,
Bahrain, Morocco.
Egypt had already done that under Sadat back

(36:07):
in 79 with the Camp David agreement. I
mean, Egypt's another thing altogether. I call it
the Ukraine of West Asia. It's completely sold
out. It's it's not a sovereign country anymore
in my opinion.
It's people sort of recognize that. Would you
would you see would you think that's the
case, Lisa?
Yeah. I mean, I think
this is
a big danger for Israel because the people

(36:28):
in these countries
are really angry now.
Right. Because
even though they may not necessarily be, for
example, pro Hamas or or pro
elements of the resistance,
like, they've been brainwashed interfering
Iran's expansionism,
for example, and the threat
of Shia Islam. But what they are now

(36:49):
seeing
is a normalization
with an entity that is carrying out an
hourly,
minute by minute
genocide
in some of the most appalling,
satanic,
you know, sadistic ways
possible, and it's doing so with impunity. It's
just nothing is happening. The entire international community

(37:12):
is is completely powerless
to prevent this, and we knew this anyway,
to be honest. I mean,
anyone that was actually expecting the ICC or
the ICJ or the UN
or OCHA or UNRWA to to be
able to counter this
or or completely, you know,
living in another dimension

(37:33):
because it was obvious they were not gonna
do anything. The only
purpose that this might serve is in the
future,
bringing
these people, these criminals to justice. That if
if,
you know, the right people are in charge
or and are in control, and that's another
whole

(37:54):
question altogether.
So, basically, you know,
this is Netanyahu's
intention,
and for Gaza. And if you remember at
the UMGA, he held up the blessings and
the curse map.
Mhmm. And you can see clearly there, actually,
if people didn't understand what the curse was
exactly, that is greater Israel. So those are

(38:15):
the countries that that offer an existential
threat to the existence of Israel.
The blessing
was the India Middle East economic corridor. So
going from Mumbai
through the Gulf States, through Gaza, into Alarish
in Egypt, and then to Europe. And so
what Gaza then becomes is a free trade

(38:37):
zone
where Israel can use Palestinian gas.
It can develop industry. It can use Palestinians
as effectively slave labor.
Right?
Those that that remain
and and agree to give up resistance. And
people need to understand that Saudi Arabia, UAE,
Bahrain are now introducing into their educational curriculum,

(39:00):
normalization
with the Zionist entity.
So they're ceasing
to present,
any true history
of Palestine
right now in in schools, in school curriculum,
in those normalized countries, which is extraordinary.
And again, under the Trump administration,
Netanyahu

(39:20):
closed
to public access all the archives relating to
the Nakba.
He also
brought into the constitution
apartheid.
He he made it a constitutional,
law.
He legalized apartheid, which is just I mean,
it's absolutely criminal. Apart from everything else that

(39:40):
Trump did to empower
Israel,
that was something, okay, you can argue, well,
Netanyahu did that. Yes. But he did that.
You know, you can't
divide the 2. You can't divide
Israeli policy from US policy.
It doesn't work because they're running in complete
parallel.
So, you know, that's the plan for Gaza.

(40:02):
And the thing is that a lot of
people
try to present Netanyahu
as some crazy,
irrational, nihilistic,
genocidal guy. No.
This is the strategy. He has the strategy,
and he's working towards that strategy
very deliberately.
And and so this was always I mean,

(40:22):
going back even historically, I mean, as you
even kinda just briefly mentioned, if and correct
me if I'm wrong, Gaza was the kind
of, like, the central hub for for transact
for, for commerce, I guess, right, historically.
And that that's correct. Right? The location As
Palestine as part of Palestine. I'm sorry. I
said Gaza as Palestine is what I meant
in general that that was sort of Yeah.
Yeah. Well, yeah. Because that was the port.

(40:43):
That was I mean, there are several ports,
in Palestine, obviously, but but Gaza was a
main
terrorist there.
And this is arguably why, you know, Israel
is is this is one of those central
locations. I mean, obviously, a lot more going
on there, but I just think think about
that in the larger con conversation.
And so so
Gaza is occupied and has been before 2005,

(41:04):
and it is act after octo after 2005.
So now what we're seeing is this partition,
which I mean, it's just on its face
about repopulating
that location. So I think what's as I
was bringing up a second ago in case
anybody missed it for the podcast, even Haratz
just posted this on 16th. Netanyahu's Likud party
issues invitation
to event titled preparing to settle Gaza. And

(41:27):
for those that have been following along as
Arnab Batran is highlighting that we should, you
know, this this is worthy of ridicule. 1,
how obvious the contradiction how your governments in
the world ignore this. The Netanyahu at the
UN last month, we don't seek to resettle
Gaza. Now, in congress in July, Israel does
not seek to resettle Gaza and then today,
we're seeking to resettle Gaza. The point is
we should have always seen this coming if

(41:47):
we're paying attention. As Nas is outlining, this
has been the plan. This is the plan,
and there's always been, you know, different ways
they've been trying to achieve it. But so
bringing this to the part about about
the right of return and UNRWA and how
the aid aspect and all these different kind
of overlapping points to this. You you know,
can you explain that for for in detail
for people, like, what we're talking about in

(42:07):
regard to why the focus of UNRA, why
that's so important for Israel to get to
kind of remove from the conversation,
you know, and the right of return? Can
you just I guess just briefly, if you
will, just kind of explain that.
Yeah. Well, I mean, you know, the the
the right of return is absolutely
criminal.
I mean, indigenous peoples that were driven out
from

(42:27):
their own land and their own homes from
even before,
1948. You know, 1948 is known as the
NACRA
and the ethnic cleansing catastrophe.
But, of course, this was ongoing from 1917
onwards, even earlier to some degree,
with the,
you know, the exodus of, Jews, European Jews,

(42:52):
from Europe for various reasons into
Palestine,
and then eventually
when
those Palestinians
were ethnically cleansed from their own lands and
homes and farms and so on, they were
given no right to return. No Palestinian has
the right to return to their own lands,
but anybody who converts to Judaism

(43:15):
in any country in the world
can come to Israel. And actually, just as
an aside, that is why it's known as
as a hub for pedophiles
because,
people who have faced prosecution
in the US or in the EU or
even in the UK
for pedophilia, for example, or child abuse,

(43:36):
have simply converted to Judaism and have been
happily welcomed into Israel. This is this is
a known fact. It's a documented fact,
even by Israeli media.
You know? I'm I'm not kind of making
this up. I have written about it extensively.
And then, sorry, what was the other thing
you said?
Oh, so well, just so I've I'll bring

(43:57):
this up for it's this is important to
make sure people hear that this is it's
funny how it's funny, but it's it's frustrating
how
very easily proven things even from Israeli media
can be so shocking, so just blindly dismissed
by people. And it shows you how controlled
this conversation is. This for Haaretz, Israel becoming
a refuge for pedophiles,
Warren's advocate for child sex abuse victims. But
so the the other the other the point

(44:18):
in general is, you know, so the right
of return
for Palestinians, the idea is that Oh, and
unrah, you mentioned. Yeah. Well, just so the
idea of being any any occupation or any,
you know, supposed legal ongoing war that people
can get displaced. And the reality is they're
supposed to be given the right to come
back to their homes after that's over, but
Israel, of course, never gave back the territory
it occupied. And so where the UNRA was

(44:39):
created to sort of create to be the
the keeper of the records, right, to make
sure that we know who's how as you
know, some people still have the keys to
these homes, which, you know, New York people
from New York are living in, you know,
in these in these occupied territories. And so
the the what I want you to kind
of touch on for me is is the
interest you know, the importance to that in
regard to what the Israel is trying to

(44:59):
accomplish and, you know, like, why they're going
after UNRWA. And then I was gonna bring
that into the point about the person you
mentioned in your in your recent post about
Sinwar and the and the overlap there. But
just first, why why are they going after
UNRWA? What's the focal point for Israel there?
Well, I mean, I think basically, you know,
UNRWA is
the sole
refugee agency that is basically providing humanitarian

(45:22):
aid and assistance,
to Palestinians
in the West Bank, in Gaza,
and also in Lebanon, of course, because people
forget. I mean, the Burj Barashne camp that
has recently been bombed by Israel. So yet
again, Palestinians are being displaced inside Lebanon, inside
the refugee camp,
that is basically taken care of by UNRWA.

(45:46):
Look, from my perspective,
UNRWA is still a UN agency.
Right?
And I know when I was in Gaza,
I saw many things that that made me
question,
what exactly UNRWA's role was.
And many people, even since October 7th in
Gaza, have accused UNRWA of effectively working

(46:08):
with the Israelis to displace people from one
area to the next and so on. In
other words, they've gone along with,
Israeli policy rather than,
trying to
stand against it,
on behalf of the Palestinians.
So I do have, you know, I have
a slightly different perspective on on on UNRWA.
However, it does employ

(46:30):
a number of Palestinians both in Gaza and
the West Bank and and even in Lebanon
who are responsible
for their own people within
those,
those environments that they're in.
But Israel's targeting of UNRWA, of course, it
it's to end
any kind of,
UN assistance for the Palestinians. It's to basically

(46:53):
completely isolate Palestinians
while Israel is effectively approving,
I think, it's something like between 709100
new settlements in the West Bank. And, of
course, what we're seeing now is them destroying
the infrastructure in the West Bank. They're bombing
the West Bank. Right. They're displacing people in
the West Bank. They're encroaching on land both

(47:15):
in the West Bank and in the farmlands.
We're seeing constant,
footage of settlers coming in and and threatening
Palestinian farmers, which is what they've always done.
So they're encroaching further and further onto Palestinian
territory
while everyone is, if you like, focused on
on what's happening in,

(47:35):
Gaza and in Lebanon and elsewhere.
And And so in yeah. Sorry. Go on.
So I was real quick. And and was
Jordan in all this, seeing as how they
stood up really early and gave a big
speech about how you can't cross that line
to the West Bank, and here we are.
You know, back to your other point about
a lot of nice words are being said,
but no sanctions, no actual action against this.
You know, it's frustrating.

(47:57):
Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it's it's kind of
it's horrifying to me
that that, you know, we as ordinary people
are being forced. I mean, every day I
wake up, I don't wanna open my phone.
Right. You know, I mean, literally,
the morning that I opened my phone and
I just saw all these videos of of
burning human beings, I'm just like, you know,

(48:18):
what have we become?
What is happening to this world that this
is becoming and this is the thing. What
they are doing, of course, is normalizing
genocide.
They're literally
saturating us.
All of our
sensory
receptors
are getting completely saturated

(48:39):
with these images day in, day out, and
it is literally being normalized because they're doing
nothing about it.
It's unreal.
Yeah. It is. It's really
it's really frightening for me, actually.
I mean, it's it's it's hard to say.
I mean, obviously, at some point, we'll be
able to see where you know, how whether

(49:00):
whether this paper's down or whatever ends up
happening, we'll be able to see, you know,
what the consequences were here. But it's hard
to say whether this will be I mean,
obviously, the the one you know, at least
one of the positives do
around with all the terrible is that people
are seeing things they've never seen before. They're
questioning things they've never questioned before. But to
your point, you know, is it is it

(49:20):
is that gonna be more important than whatever
all this is accomplishing? You know, whether I
mean, I'll even in conjunction with kind of
this technocratic push, I mean, do we get
to a point to where they just go,
well, now we're at a point now where
we don't we don't care if you see
what we're doing. We control, you know I
I don't know, but go ahead. And and
that's a really important point you mentioned,
you know, the technocracy.
Sorry. I'm jumping all over the place. No.

(49:41):
But,
you know, when you look at
what is being developed
to surveil Palestinians,
not only to surveil Palestinians, but remotely kill
Palestinians. I mean, now they're sending robots into
Trevalia to lay
explosive devices
that just remotely
kill civilians that happen to walk past when

(50:02):
it's detonated. Right?
The the remote control,
sniper rifles. Everything is becoming remote controlled. This
is the dystopia
that we have been talking about in the
west, but it's being developed
on the genocide of Palestinians.
And when you look at, excuse me, the
2030 road map between Israel and the UK,

(50:24):
and there's probably something very, very similar in
the United States.
All of this technology is being developed on
the back of the genocide of Palestinians, but
it's gonna be used against us.
This is the point. You know?
We need to make the connection between what
is happening in West Asia,
what the resistance is trying to do because

(50:45):
the resistance are aware of Netanyahu's
vision of a new order. They're very aware
of it. People here in Syria are very
aware of it, and they literally feel
they are fighting this war
for everybody.
Because
if this war is won
by the Zionists and the US and the
UK and and so on,

(51:07):
then we're living under under
such a kind of hideous reality
paradigm.
Mhmm. You know? And And much it it
was really quick. As much as I'm, you
know, obviously, what you just said, she it's
just kind of, I think we're all we
all I'm aware of that, Jose. But nonetheless,
what you just said
weirdly gave me, like, a a a very

(51:28):
ominous feeling. Like, we really think about what
you just said. Like, we it's obvious that
my point is that if they win, then
clearly they're still in control. But to think
about what that means, we're watching people that
the world can recognize
beyond the shadow of a doubt being aware
of committing genocide and then not even just
being a part of it, speaking up and
saying you should be praising us for doing
this. It's the right thing. And We're the
civilized ones. They would be in power. People

(51:50):
would then bow. That's we need to recognize
how important this is. You're real you're absolutely
right. There's more hinging on this than just
the freedom of the Palestinian people or Lebanon
or Syria. It's it's for all of us.
Well, no. No. It's I mean, I I
get kinda goosebumps when I talk about this
because it's actually really and and, honestly,
on a personal level, people here are feeling
anxious.
They're feeling really anxious because they're feeling this

(52:12):
is kind of an end game. And it's
not only the end game for us, it's
the end game for everyone.
You know? And and, you know, when you
when you look at
an an entity that is so crazy, has
a doctrine like the Samsung doctrine, where if
it is existentially threatened,
it will use nuclear weapons
even against its allies. It doesn't care. Ariel

(52:34):
Sharon basically said that in 2003. He said
we can target Paris. We can we can
target anywhere in the world.
That's who we're dealing with. We're not, and
I'm not even saying they're irrational because they're
perfectly rational both from
a religious perspective,
a historical
perspective, an ideological
perspective.

(52:55):
They're perfectly rational in what they're doing, But
from our perspective, they're completely irrational. Do you
know what I mean? This is I do.
That's a good way to put that. I
was gonna say I would argue that I
think some of them are quite
maybe flirting with a line of being a
little bit crazy, but I I get what
you're saying. You they they you're very aware
of what they're doing is what you're saying.
Yeah. Yeah. I mean, they're not out of

(53:15):
control is what I'm saying. Right. Right. Have
an agenda.
Yeah. And they're working to that agenda, and
we need to be, like, very aware of
what that agenda is. And, I mean,
look, smart cities smart cities who's,
making smart cities now in Nagorno Karabakh,
the the formerly Armenian
territory in Azerbaijan

(53:36):
on the border with Iran? Israel.
Why?
Because they'll put the Armenians
into those smart cities, basically into prisons where
everything is controlled. We know what smart cities
mean, but when in my opinion, we're not
making a strong enough connection between what's going
on in Palestine
and how that is going to affect us

(53:57):
in the future from the perspective of what
we've also been worrying about from the technocratic
perspective,
if that makes sense. 100%. Well, we're we're
in an interesting time right now where mean,
and this is why a lot of my
myself included would argue that's why a lot
of this has been kind of spear you
know, began to happen because we have met
that point where these long sought plans are

(54:17):
now suddenly technologically possible. You know? And so
I think you're right. And, yeah, as we've
seen over the years with Israel where they
sell, you know, I mean, publicly, weapons they're
using on innocent people in Palestine as battle
tested, it's exactly what you're highlighting is the
we this is a test testing ground, and
these these populations
are being used. I mean, we we recently
saw some kind of random gas used against

(54:39):
the Unifil UN location, you know, and it
could just be the same old tear gas
they use which is not tear gas or
maybe it's something else. But it's very obvious
that they know they can do this stuff
and that nobody's holding them accountable and that's
a very unnerving reality for as you're highlighting
because this is going to become our new
normal should we not recognize this needs to
be stopped. And that's that is an important
thing to to highlight.

(55:00):
But I I want before we get away
from it, I wanted to at least touch
on because it is a pretty big event
in regard to what's going on with Sanwar
and what just happened. And and re we've
I brought up the the unrepoint,
because this overlaps. Because obviously, I think that's
very important and the larger dynamic of how
that plays out and what they're trying to
sort of wipe away from history. But you
recently shared this on on Twitter, and I
won't read the whole post, but essentially, you

(55:20):
can just tell us what it's what's going
on here. Omar from Gaza is highlighting how
the the this passport
is being used,
saying he's an honorary teacher. They're claiming it
was found with sinwar, but yet the passport,
the person on this is claiming they're in
Egypt. They don't know how it got there,
and it essentially looks like Israel is yet
again trying to frame the unra overlap. Yeah.
Right? Go ahead and explain why and how
that may work. Well, you know, again, it's

(55:42):
this criminalization
of anyone that's working for unra.
In other
words, trying to connect them to Hamas that
they have prescribed as a terrorist organization.
And this passport
that was found, and I'm not quite sure
why it was found with Sinwar.
You know, anything could have happened. It could
have been planted at the scene and

(56:04):
who knows? They they fabricated
pretty much everything from October 7th onwards. So
I I kind of, you know, I I
disbelieve virtually everything they say, to be honest.
I I would argue it's as simple as
just saying it's UNRA on the thing. It
it didn't go UNRA. UNRA. I mean, that's
how simple this tends to be for the
family.
You know,
but the guy said that basically this was

(56:25):
his old passport. He has a new passport
now, and he's in, Egypt. The passport has
been renewed.
But basically, what this is doing is then
normalizing the targeting of, UNRWA
employees
in Gaza. And I have a friend who
works for for UNRWA who,
thank god, is is still alive. He's now

(56:46):
in Darro Ballo where where actually the
burning tent
horror happened the other day.
So, you know, all of these people then
instead of working for a UN agency, they
become
aligned with Hamas,
and and then they're legitimate targets under Israel's

(57:06):
rules rules based on the school.
So under schooled as well, as you mentioned
earlier. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, we're just seeing
that happen right after this. You know?
Mhmm. Yeah. But so so the point was
so sin if you want anything you wanna
mention in the relevance around Sinwar and and
how that went down? Because it's interesting. And
I I'm still getting kind of into it
since it happened. I was more kinda pulled
away from everything yesterday. But so it's interesting

(57:28):
to see how this all played out. Ultimately,
he's found, you know, not in a tunnel
full of civilians and all this. You know?
So it's just interesting to see. So what
what do you take from that, and what
what is your read on the situation?
Well, I mean, I think what's really interesting,
of course, is,
you know, the claims were that that they
had identified the tunnel he was in, that

(57:49):
they had,
basically managed to find Sinwar and and were
tracking him. Of course, now it's
absolutely clear they they weren't. They didn't even
know they had killed him, basically.
And I think,
you know, they are sort of and even
I've seen Israeli,
military experts commenting today and saying, you know,

(58:11):
actually, this is a disaster for us because
the fact that that Sinwar has been killed,
literally,
he's died fighting.
Mhmm. You know? So that has destroyed
all of the Israeli propaganda. And and, actually,
there's nothing wrong, by the way, with fighting
in tunnels. There's nothing wrong with the resistance
using tunnels. It's virtually their only

(58:32):
means to survive
under I mean, you know, how many
86 bombs were used to kill Sayed Nasrallah,
the leader of Hezbollah?
I mean,
seriously, I'm not gonna sort of, you know,
resent anyone using tunnels in these circumstances.
On top of the fact that every other
military we're discussing has used tunnels in some

(58:53):
warfare dynamic, but it's silly. Only battle I
mean, it's ridiculous.
Even, yeah, even the French resistance used them
famously, of course, when when the Nazis were
occupying,
northern and southern France.
But I think, you know,
really,

(59:14):
his death and the way he was found,
I think, has kind of
really elevated him
to,
a symbol
of strength for the resistance. And I think
if anything, it's gonna strengthen the resolve of
the resistance because
their elected leader
was found I mean, what? His arm missing.

(59:35):
He he'd been hit by shrapnel.
You know, he still managed to throw the
stick at the drone that was coming in
to finish him off and then got Right.
Done in by a sniper. I mean, someone
mentioned it's something like a scene out of
Terminator,
but it's real life. You know?
Yeah. So
yeah. Go ahead. Go on. Sorry. Oh, no.
I I was just gonna bring it. So
it's it's interesting to see how, you know,

(59:57):
the
narrative is always there and ever present. Sort
of how we can see bad daddy or
anybody else be killed 14 times until you
know, it's we never really know what's going
on. So the takeaway obviously is that this
is a a war of propaganda as it
always becomes. And and how this played out,
it shows you to your other point, I
think, which is important. And I I think
even Hamas put out a a statement

(01:00:17):
today or yesterday saying something of the same
effect that ultimately that this is only gonna
inspire more people to to fight back and
give, you know, that that many times over
the years, you pretend like taking our leaders
has caused anything to stop and it only
grows stronger, you know. So I I I
agree. And I think that the way it
went down is only gonna hurt them. And
even the fact that it got leaked out
without their knowledge, I mean, it's just it
all seems so But it kind of makes

(01:00:39):
them look pretty useless because, I mean, you
know, if if they have killed them, they
haven't even checked
that that it was similar. So, you know,
I think
I I think what you will probably see
is Hamas to a I don't know if
they will elect another single leader because, you
know, Israel now clearly has a policy of

(01:01:01):
picking off
the the leadership. Of course, the resistance has
a very horizontal leadership anyway,
and that's been proven
with the operations that Hezbollah is is conducting
in the south. I mean, you've got 4
or 5 Hezbollah taking out, you know, a
squad of Israelis that and and they haven't
managed to advance more than about 1 kilometer

(01:01:22):
into,
Southern Lebanon. And that's despite
the carpet bombing, the detonation,
the artillery.
So, you know, it's kind of an extraordinary
effort if you think about it by they
don't have an air force, they don't really
have,
you know, air defense
as such,
but Israel is is failing really

(01:01:45):
to advance further than just simply
bombing
everything
in sight, and of course that's what it's
always been good at anyway,
you know, using disproportionate
force
and cruelty and and savagery
against what are predominantly
civilians.
Yep. And and based off the Iran engagement,

(01:02:06):
the same way I mean, again, it's it's
almost incredible how clumsy this has been and
how every every single time it's the reactive
type propaganda and the the lie gets exposed
and the governments
and a lot of the corporate media just
don't acknowledge that fact, like, that Iran only
hit military targets, killed no one, and yet
we're arguing it's their belligerent terrorism versus Israel's

(01:02:28):
indiscriminate
civilian killing targets that are precise. It's it's
become a joke. It really has. And this
is why it's so incredible that this continues
to just
goose step forward, if you will, where people
are just mindlessly going along with what this
is. And it's it's a very small minority.
I I argue even within our political dynamic
in the United States. Like, people are left
or right. I I I ask, and it's

(01:02:49):
it's interesting. But so so to kind of
end on this point in regard to, you
know, where this goes. So we didn't touch
on Lebanon that much. So if you wanna
touch on, you know, what might what you
see how you see that playing in, not
I mean, go into it as much as
you'd like. And and let you know, where
you see this going. With that with that
point being the focal the idea, you know,
so it's obvious that I don't see how

(01:03:10):
they can succeed,
in any real, like, unless that is really
just sort of military
belligerent control of the US and Israel in
this dynamic going forward and using that to
effectively take more control. Maybe that's how it
goes, but everyone in the world seems to
be acknowledging what this is and sort of,
like, waiting for it to finish, which makes
me sick. Right? But so how do you
see that playing

(01:03:32):
out? Well, I think you've you've got,
levels
of conflict in Lebanon. So you've got the
the military conflict, which is ongoing at the
moment. Hezbollah is talking about, taking escalatory
measures now. You know, it's recognized now as
a war. It's no longer a kind of
a war of attrition or a war of

(01:03:52):
distraction away from the
you know, to take the Israeli military away
from the Gaza front, etcetera.
Now it's an all out war,
and that's been made very clear
by Hezbollah. I think what's interesting is that
today, there was
a Unifil,
German
naval vessel that intercepted

(01:04:14):
a resistance
drone.
Now that shouldn't be happening. That that is
suggesting
that Unifil is basically partisan towards Israel
and that Unifil's role,
which of course Israel perceives as
effectively occupying
the southern territories,
once they've cleansed them of of Hezbollah, which

(01:04:36):
is what they're aiming for to arrive at
the Litany
River and to push Hezbollah back beyond the
Litani River and to introduce the UNIFIL forces
in the Lebanese army. Well, Lebanese army isn't
actually capable of of taking care of that
level of territory,
but it also suggests that UNIFIL is gonna
be playing not a neutral role, but a

(01:04:57):
role that is favorable towards Israeli occupation of
that territory. Again, that's
my reading of the situation.
But then you've also got the internal war,
which is now being,
you know, fermented very much by the US
and the UK.
They have the British intelligence has been working
there for years just as they were in

(01:05:18):
Syria
to identify,
opposition
to Hezbollah.
And not only to Hezbollah, I mean, to
Oman, to the Christian factions that are allied
with Hezbollah. You know, Hezbollah isn't some kind
of sectarian
faction that the west would love you to
believe.
Right. And and as someone pointed out to
me the other day, a young,
Lebanese,

(01:05:40):
I'll get it right, Arab Lebanese
Christian
journalist. Right? Because she's very clear. She said
this is an Arab war
for liberation
from the
crusader, you know, the neo crusaders.
It never ended. The crusades never ended.
So how she perceives it, and it's a

(01:06:00):
very good way of perceiving it because it
takes away all of the sectarian
discourse and and propaganda,
is as Arabs supporting
Arabs
to take back Arab land
from,
Western and Israeli occupation
and plundering
of resources. So I think,
you know, that should be very clearly made,

(01:06:21):
that point,
because
when people talk about, well, you know, Hezbollah
protects Christians. No. Arabs protect Arabs
because Christians and and Shia Muslim and Sunni
Muslim and Yazidi and Ishmaelian and so on
have have coexisted in Syria and in Lebanon
for centuries.
Right? But what the the US and the

(01:06:43):
UK and and British, particularly MI6, British Intelligence,
have been working on is infiltration
of government sectors, military sectors, security sectors. Britain
has installed
watchtowers that are being used to,
surveil the territory, both Syria side and Lebanon
side. And what they're trying to now do
is to manufacture

(01:07:05):
a situation
where they can turn
the factions that are against Hezbollah against them
to impose a president, because if people don't
know, Lebanon still only has really an interim
government. Hezbollah has 13 seats, I think, from
the 2022
election, so it's an official

(01:07:25):
member of the political
sphere in in Lebanon. Again, that, of course,
is not told to you in the US
or the UK or the EU. Right.
And they're in a coalition with a Christian
party, a Christian nationalist party. But anyway.
I can hear that. So it's like yeah.
So so in other words, there there are
2 wars going on here. And of course,

(01:07:47):
if Israel is perceived to be not achieving
its goals in the south, then there is
potential for a destabilization
campaign,
to turn the population against,
Hezbollah. And, of course, how will they do
that if Israel bonds deeper into
Beirut territory, for example, or deeper into areas

(01:08:08):
where they're not only
Hezbollah, there might be other Christian factions like
the phalangists,
who by the way are Christian Zionists, although
that's an oxymoron,
but they are Christians who support Zionism
and who carried out the massacre,
in 1982
in Sabra and Shetila of Palestinians.

(01:08:29):
More than 3,000 Palestinians massacred
by the Falangists,
watched over by the Zionist.
So there are factions in Lebanon that can
be weaponized against Hezbollah, and I think
there is very high potential for that happening.
So, you know, it's
it's an incredibly complex situation. As I said,

(01:08:51):
here in Syria, we're watching,
literally on tenterhooks. We're we're stuck here now
because all the border roads have been basically
bombed.
There is a vulnerability in the south of
Syria for Israel,
to advance or to,
certainly bomb

(01:09:11):
to a large degree, but I don't think
we're at that stage quite yet. But I
could be wrong because things
do suddenly seem to escalate very, very fast
at the moment.
Well, I ultimately hope that, you know, some
people out there can influence,
yeah, whether whatever works. I mean, there's so
many different dynamics involved. And I think that
people out there need to take the actions

(01:09:32):
they believe will have an influence on on
stopping what's happening, whatever that may be to
you. Because I think right now, there's a
lot of you know, I I tend to
lean away from the political action. I don't
think your politicians care, but if you think
it'll make a difference, give it a shot.
Because I think what we need to do
right now is everything in our power to
try to stop the suffering of these people.
You know, the the problem for me
immediate is that it does just seem like

(01:09:54):
everyone's sort of letting this finish.
Everyone being a a the wrong term, I
guess. But, you know, the power structures, and
it is it's something that I'm having a
hard time with. You know? Like, that I
as much as I think we're doing what's
within our power, it it it's it's just
it it just continues. Without the facts, everything
aside, it it's hard. You know? So thank
you for for being here and and and
enlightening people on this, and and hopefully, we

(01:10:15):
can
take some more action to see this change.
And I I do believe that we're on
a as much as there's a lot of
negative, a lot of sadness, a lot of
pain and suffering, there is some good coming
from this. You know? And that's what I
was saying before is that pea more people
than ever are seeing what I think is
the real culprit in all of this. And
I just mean that whether we're talking about
Zionism or in specific cases, the US government.

(01:10:36):
But we can see who are obviously behind
a lot of this. And and so I'll
I'll end by just pointing this out since
we've mentioned this earlier, and I think I
I did pulled up. I didn't grab it.
Mhmm. And on the point that I think
it's important to realize that the US government
is playing a central role in this. Like,
I think you've mentioned in the past, this
is not, you know, they're not supporting this.
This is a US genocide in regard to
what's going on in Gaza. The US and

(01:10:56):
Israel are equally complicit. And as, Kevork Al
Masian highlights him back to Syria, the CIA
backed terrorist from the Saad bin Abi Waqas
Brigade
affiliated with Hayat al Sham or Al Qaeda
have released a video showing them preparing for
a major assault on Syrian Arab Army positions.
This offensive is clearly designed to divert Syrian
forces, paving the way for Israel's potential expansion

(01:11:17):
of the war into Syria. So just like
you're highlighting,
it's all you know, these pieces are coming
into place. So any any last thoughts on,
you know, what what can somebody do out
there? You know, the average person who's watching
this that goes, I don't have any influence.
I don't have a channel, but I'd like
to see something you know, I'd like to
do something. What would you say they could
do?
Actually, I did see someone do something the
other day, which I just thought was brilliant,

(01:11:38):
and they basically went to one of these
military industrial complex exhibitions, expos, whatever. I think
it was in the states, And they went
to all of the did you see it?
All the Israeli,
weapons manufacturers
and and basically shoved the camera in their
face and said, so are you gonna keep
selling,
weapons that are shredding children that are and,

(01:11:59):
you know, really loudly.
So I think, you know, you you've
I I think there's a lot of things
that can be done, you know, even outside
of of the demonstrations and the protests, which,
you know, are amazing in solidarity
with Palestine. But I think there's a lot
of other things that you can do personally

(01:12:19):
as well. I mean, I'm seeing a lot
of,
countries now,
blockading
sea ports and preventing
shipping going to Israel.
You know, you you have to kind of
think of the supply chain
and then pick an area of that supply
chain where you can have an effect, where
you can potentially draw attention to and shame

(01:12:40):
the companies and and the individuals that are
profiting
from the the mass slaughter
of Palestinians
and Lebanese now. I mean, what is it?
2,500
dead and 10,000
I mean, we're just entering the same paradigm
of kind of ever increasing
numbers, and it's just horrifying.

(01:13:02):
It is. It is. Well, you know, and
I think that's the the shame and the
you know, there's a lot of companies out
there. Like, I I think on a lot
of cases, I think these people are pretty
much sociopaths and wouldn't care. But I think
there is an element of these companies that
that see an opportunity to profit, and they
don't see anybody getting held accountable and so
they step into it. But, yes, should they
be called out? Should their name be shown
on Twitter or whatever platform you're using next

(01:13:24):
to these images? I think they might think
twice about that. So I agree. And so
anything like that, you know, just take action,
guys. Stand up and do something. And I've
never advocated for violence, but I believe the
time is where now is the time to
to find what you can do to make
a difference. So I'm gonna end actually with
a clip, since you've been mentioning the shredded
children up, one of the most impactful videos
from a doctor

(01:13:45):
highlighting what he's seeing in Gaza. So I'll
end with that clip. And, anything else you
wanna leave us with on the way up,
Vanessa? Any upcoming events or, you know, anything
you wanna leave us with to let people
know what's coming up?
No. I mean, people can follow my work
at my substack is the main one. Twitter,
YouTube
still, and Telegram, of course, these days is,
you know, the most used for me.

(01:14:06):
But no. Thanks, Ryan, and thanks for highlighting
everything you do. It is really
important, I think. You know?
Support the resistance because
they're ordinary people. They're not governments. They're not
they're just people like us across the world,
you know, who are fighting back against what

(01:14:27):
you know, evil is always an overused word,
but I can't think of another word to
describe what's actually going on at the moment.
I agree. I agree. Well, like you said,
support the resistance because you are the resistance.
So thank you for being here, Vanessa. And
as always, everybody out there, question everything. Come
to your own conclusions. Stay vigilant. When were
you in Gaza?

(01:14:47):
End of April for the first couple weeks.
And then there's sniper bullets. I had children
that were shot twice. Wait. You're saying that
children in Gaza are being shot by snipers.
Definitively.
I have 2 children that I have photographs
of that were shot so perfectly in their
chest. I couldn't put my stethoscope over their
heart more accurately
and directly on the side of the head

(01:15:09):
in the same child. No toddler gets shot
twice by mistake by the world's best sniper,
and they're dead center shots.
In fact, more than 20 doctors recently in
Gaza also told Sunday morning about gunshot wounds
to children.
One American doctor told us he even reviewed

(01:15:29):
CT scans to confirm what he saw because
he, quote, didn't believe that this many children
could be admitted to a single hospital with
gunshot wounds to the head.
Some shootings
have been captured on video.
So of all the disaster zones you've seen,

(01:15:49):
how does Gaza compare?
All of the dis disasters I've seen combined
combined, 40 mission trips 30 years,
ground 0,
earthquakes,
all of that combined
doesn't equal
the level of carnage
that I saw against civilians

(01:16:10):
in just my 1st week in Gaza. And
when you say civilians,
is it mostly children?
Almost exclusively
children.
I've never seen that before.
Never seen that. I see more
incinerated children than I've ever seen in my
entire life combined. I've seen more shredded children

(01:16:30):
in just the 1st week. Shredded? Shredded. What
do you mean? Missing body parts, being crushed
by buildings, the greatest majority,
or bomb explosions, the next greatest majority. We've
taken shrapnel as big as my thumb
out of 8 year olds.
The UN reports that to date, more than
80% of Gaza's population has been displaced

(01:16:52):
and the majority of its buildings
destroyed.
A reality which has taken its own toll
on the well-being of children.
What about the emotional wounds? How can you
measure that?
I can't measure my own.
How do you be a,

(01:17:13):
an orphan
watching your family, you know, melted in front
of you and shredded in front of you?
How do you fix that? Ever fix that?
In fact, so many Palestinian children have had
family members killed that doctors created a shorthand
term,
wcnsf,
wounded child,

(01:17:34):
no surviving family.

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