September 15, 2025 • 31 mins
In this episode of The Leadership Vision Podcast, hosts Nathan Freeburg, Dr. Linda Schubring, and Brian Schubring continue their conversation on themes from their book Unfolded: Lessons in Transformation from an Origami Crane.
The focus is on folds—the permanent creases created by early experiences, habits, and lessons that shape who we are. Brian shares his own anchor folds of work ethic, spirituality, and education, while Linda offers insights into how we can name and embrace our own folds without judgment.
Listeners will discover:
- Why anchor folds matter and how they influence leadership.
- How to name your folds and let them tell their story.
- The difference between working with your folds vs. against them.
- How transformation is possible through unfolding and refolding.
Whether you’re leading a team or reflecting on your own personal growth, this episode invites you to embrace your story, scars and all, as part of your leadership journey.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
But in the courage of unfolding may we take the joy
of children who say well, I canmake a plane.
And guess what?
They don't care if there werebends and folds in it from
before.
As they were practicing, thoseplanes were crashing in the
parking lot and then they would,you know, smooth it out and
they would try something else orthey would add a little bit to
it.
And they kept playing, and theykept playing.
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And for me, I was witnessingthe joy of not being limited by
all the folds that we used tohave, but experiencing the joy
of the folds that will actuallygive us flight.
Don't be embarrassed by thecreases and crumples.
Most people aren't looking thatclose at you anyway.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
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Hello everyone, my name isNathan Friberg, and today in the
podcast, or visit us on the webat
leadershipvisionconsultingcom.
Hello everyone, my name isNathan Friberg, and today in the
podcast, I am joined by DrLinda and Brian Schubring as we
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continue our series from theirbook Unfolded Lessons in
Transformation from an OrigamiCrane.
In this episode, we're going tobe exploring the idea of folds,
those early life experiences,habits and anchor points that
shape who we are, those earlylife experiences, habits and
anchor points that shape who weare.
Brian shares some of his ownfoundational folds, while Linda
offers ways to reframe yourfolds so that they tell your
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story, and together we ask howdo we work with the creases in
our story instead of againstthem?
Now, as you listen and becomefamiliar with the idea of folds,
I invite you to reflect on whatthree or four folds from your
own life might be that haveshaped your identity and how
might they be guiding you,whether you realize it or not,
toward your next transformation.
This is the Leadership VisionPodcast.
Speaker 3 (01:54):
Enjoy the importance of folding patterns is applied
this way when we ask people towork with the grain of the brain
, we're saying work with the wayyou think, work with the way
you feel.
And when it comes to thefolding patterns, there are
certain folds that we just needto work with.
For example, this has been anover-exaggeration, but most
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origami animals they begin withthe same two to four folds.
There are a couple of mountainfolds, a couple of valley folds
and those strong, permanentcreases are so well set in the
paper.
Those creases and folds willnever go away.
And what's important to rememberabout that, to remind ourselves
of, is this there are somelived experiences that we have
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had in our lives that happenedearly enough and often enough,
and those experiences havecreated this anchor fold, one of
the first few folds that arethe through line for the rest of
our lives.
There's nothing that we can do,there's no amount of
transformation that will evererase the impression of the fold
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, and everything in our life noteverything, most things in our
life tend to work with that foldor those first few folds,
whether we know it or not.
That's why I think it's soimportant to practice reflection
, understanding, asking for help, interpreting where we've come
from, to understand some of thereasons why we do what we do.
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Some of the reasons why we dowhat we do, because how many
people do we work with, myselfincluded, that work so hard to
work against the fold and we'rejust not going to be able to do
that Against their fold?
Speaker 2 (03:34):
My fold, but they work against their own folds
Right.
Speaker 3 (03:38):
Yeah, here's an example.
Because of how I was raised, wealways had to work to get what
we were going to get.
I learned at a very early agethat I needed to get a job, work
my tail off, earn some money ifI ever wanted to buy a new
baseball glove or hockey glovesor whatever.
It was that working harder partof me you're both laughing.
(04:02):
You know that.
That's part of who I am.
That is a deep valley fold inmy life where my first instinct
is if I work harder, if I trythe same thing over and over
again, if I get more at bats, ifI take more shots, I'm gonna
get better.
That's just part of who I am.
So I am more reluctant to takea new way or to try something
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new because I don't trust what Idon't know.
So when it comes to refolding,it's hard for me to even begin
to make a smaller crease becauseI just don't trust the process.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
It's not my it's not my lived experience, so is then,
is that something that you yougo with and you lean into it, or
are you trying to change thatand become more?
I don't know.
I'm trying to work with it.
Speaker 3 (04:53):
Here's an example, and Linda and I had this
conversation the other day and Ican't remember even what we
were talking about.
That doesn't even matter, butthe point was I was getting
worried about whether I wasgoing to be able to do the work.
But the point was, I wasgetting worried about whether I
was going to be able to do thework and the point was, what I
was more afraid of is the changeto get to the next point,
because I know I can do the hardwork.
That's not the thing to focuson.
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But that's what I was focusingon is can I do the work?
I know I can?
I've proven over and over againI can do the hard work.
It was just adapting to theimplication of making a change,
to the implication of making achange.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
So, when you think about folds in your life, what
are some of the well-wornpathways?
It could be even the habits,could be, unfortunately, the
limiting beliefs.
It could be how you were shapedby your parents, or the
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activities that you were part ofat a young age, or how you were
educated or not educated, orwhere you learned your greatest
lessons.
So it's one thing to look at amap and it's another thing then
to start to look at the waysthat you have been folded, it's
coming to terms with it and it'sunderstanding not just what the
map looks like but how it'sbeen folded.
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Some of the people that we'vemet and talked to have said
things like this well, how do Iiron out my map?
Because I'm willing to unfold,but I just I want to steam some
of those creases out andunfortunately, like that's not
the point, you't do that.
How do you work?
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How do you work with it?
How do you make peace with it?
Because, yes, in a new shape,there will still be remnants of
where you, where you, came from.
So, understanding brian's workethic, understanding his drive
and his willingness to roll uphis sleeves and work hard and
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approach whatever he's doingwith the elite athlete mindset.
To understand that of Brian.
I'm not going to change him andsay just lighten up a little
bit, just run a little bitslower.
That's not a helpful way that Ican come alongside him and
invite him to think about hismap or the folds in his map
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differently.
Speaker 3 (07:12):
So here's a question for our audience, and that is
try to name like three or fourof those fundamental anchor
folds in your life that happenedearly on repetitively, that are
still there to this day.
So if I were to expand on someof these fundamental folds in my
life and be a little vulnerable, here here they are.
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I've already mentioned the hardwork.
That one's still there.
You guys know that that's there.
We already talked about thatNumber.
Next is keeping score, becauseI was.
I'm sitting right next to you.
I can hear you laughing in themicrophone Keeping score.
Speaker 2 (07:42):
As an athlete, I just keep right next to you, I can
hear you laughing in themicrophone, keeping score.
Speaker 3 (07:45):
As an athlete, I just keep score.
It's a part of who I am.
You guys know that, whateverthat looks like, it's always
there.
Number next, spirituality I wasraised in a church.
Going home, that attraction tothe spiritual, mystical nature
of things, that's just how Ithink.
And last is education.
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I've learned that learning is apathway that I engage on to
grow and to develop those fourfundamental folds.
To know, brian, is so thatthose four things are there.
Now, those are livedexperiences.
They were shaped by people.
They're just who I am.
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And to know that about me isunderstand when I'm at my best,
when I'm in flow, when I'm, youknow, just enjoying life.
Those four areas are probablyengaged in some way.
Speaker 1 (08:41):
And it takes those teachers that we named in the
previous episode about maps, theexperts and explorers and
empaths and entertainers.
When we stop just looking atour map and we start to look at
how we were folded and how wewere shaped, and then the shapes
that we don't see, it's some ofthose teachers that can help us
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understand why certain thingswere tucked away and why the
folds are there and why remnantsof the folds are there.
However, what are ways that oldfolds encourage new folds?
Speaker 3 (09:17):
And some of those fundamental fold questions could
be like what I namedexperiences.
Some of the fundamental foldsthat you could maybe be
answering for yourself could bewhat Linda's mentioning, that is
, the people.
Who are the four people thathad a significant shaping impact
on your life?
You can also think about theplaces.
You could name specific placesthat created fundamental folds
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in your life.
It's just, it's never goingaway or maybe specific events.
Whatever it is, the point is,within our map there are clear
and distinct fundamental foldsthat give us the shape, the
dimension and the texture of whowe are as individuals.
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They will always be who we are,even though there's a potential
for transformation, tocompletely reshape ourselves.
The fundamental folds willstill be the guiding principles
in the beginning of our nextprocess.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
What I'm trying to think of is, let's, let's say
there's something, there's somefold that you really want to
change.
You want to steam that suckerout.
You want to get rid of that.
You know, in the book OC isgoing from one good thing to
another good thing.
I'm an origami crane and I wantto refold into an airplane.
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But what if you know I'm?
I was going to give an exampleof something very bad and
negative, but I don't know if wewant to do that here, but just
something like I really want tochange this about myself, to
become something better,something more life-giving.
So how do you work with peopleor instruct people?
I know we're trying to figureout this whole folding metaphor
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where it's like no, this fold,this crease in my life, this is
something I am, uh, I don't like.
There is shame, there is guilt,there is.
It's still a part of my journeyand I can't ignore it, but I'm
working very hard to fold itinto something better.
What is that process like?
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Because you are unfolding it,but that crease is still there.
You're saying like it doesn'tever go away and you just have
to learn Like you know, brian,you're talking about keeping
score.
Learn Like you know, brian,you're talking about keeping
score.
Well, what if that goes way offthe rails and you become, you
know, this militant scorekeepingmonstrosity of a human and
you're like this is just who Iam.
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If you look at where I wasraised, I played on teams.
This is who I am, back off, youknow.
Does that make sense?
I don't exactly know where thequestion is in there.
How, maybe when, can it go toofar of understanding and knowing
this is who I am, this is whereI came from, versus
transforming those things into agenerative, positive,
life-giving force that exists inthe world to do good.
Speaker 1 (12:02):
Is there some question that you can answer?
Well, I'm hearing a lot ofmeasurement or this is good or
this is bad.
We want to take out some of theemotional or electric charge or
judgment and just say name it,name the fold, all right.
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What does that say?
Don't automatically assume okay, that's bad, so I need to get
rid of it.
Speaker 2 (12:29):
I'm gonna assign a value to it.
Speaker 1 (12:30):
Yeah yeah, um, erase some of the value.
Just look at it for what it isand then allow.
Allow that information or thatability to name to bring you to
the next step this is why I'velearned firsthand the hard way.
Speaker 3 (12:45):
Leave the fold alone.
Let the fold tell the story,because you can't ever undo the
experience, but the experiencetells a story and when you let
the experience tell the storywithin the context, it's going
to surprise you what you hear.
For example, just think of howmany scars you have on your body
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.
Every scar tells its own story,and one of the most significant
scars that I have you would.
You might never see or I mightnever point it out, but it
carries with it a crazy story.
That's both funny andterrifying, but it's just part
of who I am.
We don't always pay attention tosome of the, you know,
difficult folds in our life.
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They're always going to bethere.
And how do we work those foldsinto the new design?
And that's the part that I justlove.
The other day I was having astrengths conversation with
someone, and I just love havingthese first conversations with
people where you're just gettingto know them, because you're
always surprised by their story,because sometimes the way
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someone shows up, they just showup so polished and so confident
and everything is quote-unquote, ironed out.
But then, the closer that Icame to this person's story, the
more, I realized just howtextured their story was.
Not like prickly texture, butit was almost like Braille,
where there was a hidden messageon the surface of their map
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which you would never have knownunless you listened really
closely.
Now, in that story you don'tpress out the Braille, you let
the Braille tell its own story.
But you have to listen, payattention and be open-minded to
what the folds are saying,because they will speak truth
about the person.
Speaker 1 (14:37):
But how to not glamorize it?
Speaker 2 (14:40):
Or vilify it.
Speaker 1 (14:41):
Or vilify it.
The extremes of that.
Speaker 3 (14:45):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (14:46):
It goes back to seeing the value.
So from a distance most peoplelook really put together, Like
they're in a beautiful origamishape and we're just celebrating
it.
The closer you zoom in, themore creases and crumples and
wrinkles and stretches you see.
Speaker 3 (15:03):
Yeah, okay.
Speaker 1 (15:06):
So with that it's a matter of perspective, because
some of these folds are so closeto us it may feel like it's not
a scar.
It's still an open wound.
So let's not, you know, pickthat apart too much.
I think it is the some of thefolds that create the best help.
For other people are the scarswhere someone else is saying,
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like I've been folded like thattoo.
Speaker 3 (15:32):
You know what I?
Speaker 1 (15:33):
fell off the platform and I was crumpled like OC as
well.
I spun on my back like turtle.
There are these stories andthese, these stories, and these
not just folds, crumples,creases, scratches, tears, that
also speak about our humanityand who we are and how we show
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up.
And it's, it's our willingnessto share that, not just iron out
perfection and trying to showoff.
Speaker 3 (16:05):
If you find yourself fixating on a fold or a crease
and you're unsure how to makesense of it, it may be maybe
it's time for us to ask for helpto interpret it, because
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there's such beauty in lettingsomething sit for a while until
it's the right time, and thereis a beauty that comes when
you're actually nurturing thepart of your story that wants to
be told in a different light.
I was doing some executivecoaching with someone a couple
of weeks ago and his story,which you would never know by
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watching him.
He was homeless for two yearsafter college.
You would never know that thatpart of his life was there.
But the way he tells the storyfully embraced, he fully
embodies it.
And the way he tells the storywas in then, how he lives his
life now and the lessons he'steaching his kids now.
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In that story he had to ask forhelp.
He literally had to start over.
He had to renew, like what hebelieved in.
But the point is he did thework.
Sometimes the folds, the bendsand the creases just need our
attention.
They need some love, some care,some kindness and some
gentleness, because I reallybelieve that those folds, bends
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and creases are there to teachus something, and the timing is
now.
Speaker 1 (17:39):
And the reason why we used origami is there's a
beauty and elegance to it.
Speaker 2 (17:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (17:46):
And we described in chapter one about all the
different kinds of paper thatwere chosen for these different
characters.
And so, although some of thefolds are strong, the other
message of the book is you don'thave to stay in this shape, the
shape you are today is not theshape you have to stay.
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Sometimes people resign like,well, that's just my fold,
that's just who I am, that's whoI'm going to be forever.
And instead, what are thoselessons?
The folding could be a lessonof something I'm not going to go
back to, or, oh yeah, this issome of the hangup that I have.
So how do I have it stack in adifferent way to get out of
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these patterns that have notbeen helpful to me?
Speaker 2 (18:30):
Yeah, I was reading something the other day.
It was about kind ofmindfulness and meditation and
stuff, but it talked about howthe quote I wrote down was many
of the attributes that we valuemost are skills that can be
trained.
The same way that you build,like, your body in the gym, and
I wonder if that applies here inthe sense of like knowing these
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folds and knowing they existyou can sort of practice or
train or try to quote chapterthree to be different.
And if you're not aware of that, if you're not aware, then you
have no ability to try somethingdifferent, you have no ability
to work on a skill or work on awhatever.
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And that all begins with kindof acknowledging the fold, with
recognizing the fold, with notascribing some sort of value or
numerical number to it, uh, justlike.
This is a thing, and moving Idon't know if moving past it is
the right, is the right way, butjust um I don't know, is that
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anything with it?
Speaker 3 (19:40):
was that moving with a?
Speaker 2 (19:41):
drone.
No, well, it was.
It's in the book 10 happier,happier by Dan Harris, okay, and
he quotes a lot of people inthere, so I don't know where
exactly that came from.
But the other quote was just theidea of meditation in general,
like when you get good at it,the practice can create space in
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your head.
He says so that when you getangry or annoyed or mad, you're
just less likely to kind of takethe bait, or you can at least
pause.
Or mad, you're just less likelyto kind of take the bait, or
you can at least pause.
And I wonder if the same thingapplies to being aware of these
folds, so that you know if afold represents a behavior that
you don't like and appreciate.
If you're now aware of thisfold, maybe you can see it
coming.
Or the reverse, like oh, thisis a fold that I just this is
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such a great part of who I am,I'm folded in this way, I love
it.
It's reverse, like oh, this isa fold that I just this is such
a great part of who I am, I'mfolded in this way, I love it,
it's your, it's your paper planefold.
Speaker 3 (20:37):
you can try to do more of that, I don't know if
that's anything, I'm trying tobring in random things here, but
part of the reason why theconversation on folding is
important is because the foldsgive us the shape and dimension,
the architecture that help ussustain the challenging and the
fun times in life.
We also are choosing thismetaphor of folding because
there's always an invitation tochange and when it's time to
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change, we can reverse the foldsand start over to create an
entirely new shape, and in thatprocess, some of the fundamental
folds will provide the guidancenecessary and the direction
needed for what is potentiallyavailable to us to become.
That transformation is aprocess of slow and intentional
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unfolding to then refold again,and in that process, I think
it's important to ask for help.
It's important to take the risk, because we also know this a
new fold is just creating atension in a new direction,
right, and that tension in a newdirection will give us a new
shape and a new perspective onourselves and who we are as
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people that may empower andenlighten us for whatever the
challenges that we are facing.
Speaker 2 (21:49):
The golden retriever when Osi gets on.
Speaker 3 (21:52):
I can't remember if it's a boy or a girl and
Golden's back and they'rerunning and he's like, okay,
stop.
Speaker 2 (21:59):
Or she's like stop, and then she flies off and for
that briefest of moments she wasquote unquote flying and then
slams into the tree and fallsdown.
I was rereading that and I waslaughing, because how many times
do you have someone in yourlife quote unquote flying and
then slams into the tree andfalls down?
I was rereading that and I waslaughing, because I you know,
how many times do you havesomeone in your life who comes
along to help you all well, allgood intentioned, but it doesn't
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go very well, and and you'relike, oh that, I fell, I crashed
, I burned, like don't ever dothat again.
It's like, well, actually,maybe that's exactly what you
needed, but you just need alittle more of a little,
something a little different.
And so to you know, not tospoil it, but she needs to
unfold her other wings.
So they're both going in thesame direction.
Okay, done, Well, got it.
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But what I was thinking aboutwith that is, you know, you talk
about all the people in yourlife, how you get to a point and
you're just stuck.
Had she not taken that risk,gotten on his back, ran headlong
into a tree, she wouldn't needs.
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Maybe the other one, Maybe Ineed to do this.
So it's that part of thatprocess I think is extremely
difficult and scary andchallenging and unless you have
other people in your life thatcan, maybe, like you said,
you're too close to it.
We're too close to it sometimes, so I don't even know what I'm
saying here.
I do, there's no question, butokay, google translate me here.
Speaker 3 (23:28):
There's no question.
But okay, google translate me.
In the process of folding,unfolding and refolding, yes, we
pay attention to the folds thatare there as we're refolding.
I think there's an importantlesson for all of us, and that
is test the folds.
The folds create shape.
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Shape needs to be tested andsometimes the testing happens
quick, sometimes the testinghappens slow, but what's
important is test your progress,test your evolution, test your
ideas, practice what you're,what you think you're doing, to
learn what adaptations oradjustments need to be made or
who can help you along the way.
Because part of what I knowthrough lived experience and
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watching and talking to peopleis that sometimes all the signs
point to the folds being readyand they're not, and we just
don't know until we try.
So part of the invitation isfold and test, refold and test
again, because at some pointwe're going to understand, when
the shape gets really, reallyclose, that it's actually
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working, and we always have achance to go back and start over
again.
I just, I really believe thatthe metaphor is strong for so
many things in life, whetherit's learning to develop a new
skill, or practicing somethingwe haven't practiced before, or
reminding ourselves of whatwe're good at.
There's some life to be gainedby understanding our folds, by
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trying to shape ourselves intosomething new and to test our
folding process as we go.
Speaker 1 (25:08):
And I think we can learn a lot from folding and
folders.
When our book first came out, Iwas bringing the book to a
friend and it's the couple'sdear, dear friends of ours.
She's been part of LeadershipVision in the past.
She has three beautiful boys.
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She's been part of LeadershipVision in the past.
She has three beautiful boysand I hold up the book and I'm
giving it to them before theyhead off to Machu Picchu, which
is a whole other map.
And I was telling them, andBethany said Linda and Brian
wrote a book To her kids, soshe's describing to her children
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.
Linda and Brian wrote a book toher kids, so she's, you know,
describing to her children.
Linda and Brian wrote a bookand I said it is about an
origami crane.
You want to hear the first line.
There once was an origami cranewho dreamed of becoming a paper
plane.
And these kids are active, theyare smart, and the youngest two
said we make paper planes andit was this joy.
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So of course I dig in my purseand I have two maps, square maps
, because we carry maps andcranes with us wherever we go.
And I handed each one of them apiece of map paper and I have
their, I carry their planes withme.
Because they created two verydifferent planes and one of them
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actually said well, I'm used to, I don't use squares, I use
rectangles.
And his dad, who was foreverencouraging, said just try it
this way, just try it this way.
They made two different planesand then they were practicing,
flying them in the parking lotas we were, as we were hanging
out and to see them crease andfold, and then wonder and wonder
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about aerodynamics and try toexplain.
They were explaining to eachother like, oh well, you need to
have more of this.
And then, because of the liftof that, and I was just watching
the joy of two young boys justmaking a plane, and the whole
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part was make a plane and Ithink as adults sometimes we're
like I don't even know where tostart.
I'm just a crane, that's it.
And sometimes, you know, wedon't know how we showed up in
this form and in this shape.
But in the courage of unfoldingmay we take the joy of children
who say, well, I can make aplane and guess what?
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They don't care if there werebends and folds in it from
before.
As they were practicing, thoseplanes were crashing in the
parking lot, and then they wouldsmooth it out and they would
try something else, or theywould add a little bit to it,
and they kept playing, and theykept playing of not being
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limited by all the folds that weused to have, but experiencing
the joy of the folds that thatwill actually give us flight.
Speaker 3 (28:15):
Hmm.
Speaker 2 (28:16):
That's so interesting .
Thinking about the folds of achild or the lack thereof,
they're just figuring it outLike they don't have the limits.
That that we do as adults andit's something I'm constantly
reminded of is like, don't forcethem into this, into my way of
doing things.
Yes, there's obviously wisdomand stuff to be learned, but
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just that excitement of watchingkids figure stuff out and like
let's just try this, let's try,just try this.
My aunt was here visitingrecently and she's a some
executive with a healthcarecompany and she was she was like
have you ever heard of thismarshmallow tower challenge?
Like have I ever heard of that?
And she's like I just thoughtit was so interesting how the
kids did better than all ofthese fancy PhDs, because
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they're not afraid to try andthey're not afraid to, you know,
experiment and and fail quicklyand and blah, blah, blah, blah,
blah.
So how would you guys wrap thisup or how would you put a bow
on what we're talking about?
Speaker 3 (29:16):
Fundamental to each one of us.
There is a map, and in that mapare dominant folds that give us
the shape and dimension of ourlife.
The invitation is to work withthose folds and imagine what
shape they could possiblyprovide when given the freedom
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to express themselves.
Linda, what would you add.
Speaker 1 (29:41):
Don't be embarrassed by the creases and crumples.
Most people aren't looking thatclose at you anyway.
That's not true.
Because they're more worriedabout their own creases and
crumbles and covering them upand, should you unfold, take
some lessons from my youngfriends and fold anew.
Speaker 2 (30:04):
Thank you for listening to the Leadership
Vision Podcast, our show helpingyou build positive team culture
.
For more resources aboutfolding and unfolding, you can
visit us on the web atleadershipvisionconsultingcom or
click the link in the shownotes, where you can also find a
link to Brian and Linda's bookUnfolded Lessons in
Transformation from an OrigamiCrane, sold wherever good books
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are sold.
If you want more resourcesabout what you heard here today
or anything related to buildingpositive team culture, again
visit us on the web atleadershipvisionconsultingcom or
click the link in the shownotes.
I'm Nathan Friberg.
I'm Linda Schubring.
Speaker 3 (30:41):
And I'm Brian Schubring.
Speaker 2 (30:42):
And on behalf of our entire team thanks for listening
.
But in the courage of unfolding may we take the joy
of children who say well, I canmake a plane.
And guess what?
They don't care if there werebends and folds in it from
before.
As they were practicing, thoseplanes were crashing in the
parking lot and then they would,you know, smooth it out and
they would try something else orthey would add a little bit to
it.
And they kept playing, and theykept playing.
(00:20):
And for me, I was witnessingthe joy of not being limited by
all the folds that we used tohave, but experiencing the joy
of the folds that will actuallygive us flight.
Don't be embarrassed by thecreases and crumples.
Most people aren't looking thatclose at you anyway.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
You are listening to the Leadership Vision Podcast,
our show helping you buildpositive team culture.
Our consulting firm has beendoing this work for the past 25
years so that leaders arementally engaged and emotionally
healthy.
To learn more about us, you canclick the link in the show
notes or visit us on the web atleadershipvisionconsultingcom.
Hello everyone, my name isNathan Friberg, and today in the
podcast, or visit us on the webat
leadershipvisionconsultingcom.
Hello everyone, my name isNathan Friberg, and today in the
podcast, I am joined by DrLinda and Brian Schubring as we
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continue our series from theirbook Unfolded Lessons in
Transformation from an OrigamiCrane.
In this episode, we're going tobe exploring the idea of folds,
those early life experiences,habits and anchor points that
shape who we are, those earlylife experiences, habits and
anchor points that shape who weare.
Brian shares some of his ownfoundational folds, while Linda
offers ways to reframe yourfolds so that they tell your
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story, and together we ask howdo we work with the creases in
our story instead of againstthem?
Now, as you listen and becomefamiliar with the idea of folds,
I invite you to reflect on whatthree or four folds from your
own life might be that haveshaped your identity and how
might they be guiding you,whether you realize it or not,
toward your next transformation.
This is the Leadership VisionPodcast.
Speaker 3 (01:54):
Enjoy the importance of folding patterns is applied
this way when we ask people towork with the grain of the brain
, we're saying work with the wayyou think, work with the way
you feel.
And when it comes to thefolding patterns, there are
certain folds that we just needto work with.
For example, this has been anover-exaggeration, but most
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origami animals they begin withthe same two to four folds.
There are a couple of mountainfolds, a couple of valley folds
and those strong, permanentcreases are so well set in the
paper.
Those creases and folds willnever go away.
And what's important to rememberabout that, to remind ourselves
of, is this there are somelived experiences that we have
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had in our lives that happenedearly enough and often enough,
and those experiences havecreated this anchor fold, one of
the first few folds that arethe through line for the rest of
our lives.
There's nothing that we can do,there's no amount of
transformation that will evererase the impression of the fold
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, and everything in our life noteverything, most things in our
life tend to work with that foldor those first few folds,
whether we know it or not.
That's why I think it's soimportant to practice reflection
, understanding, asking for help, interpreting where we've come
from, to understand some of thereasons why we do what we do.
(03:21):
Some of the reasons why we dowhat we do, because how many
people do we work with, myselfincluded, that work so hard to
work against the fold and we'rejust not going to be able to do
that Against their fold?
Speaker 2 (03:34):
My fold, but they work against their own folds
Right.
Speaker 3 (03:38):
Yeah, here's an example.
Because of how I was raised, wealways had to work to get what
we were going to get.
I learned at a very early agethat I needed to get a job, work
my tail off, earn some money ifI ever wanted to buy a new
baseball glove or hockey glovesor whatever.
It was that working harder partof me you're both laughing.
(04:02):
You know that.
That's part of who I am.
That is a deep valley fold inmy life where my first instinct
is if I work harder, if I trythe same thing over and over
again, if I get more at bats, ifI take more shots, I'm gonna
get better.
That's just part of who I am.
So I am more reluctant to takea new way or to try something
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new because I don't trust what Idon't know.
So when it comes to refolding,it's hard for me to even begin
to make a smaller crease becauseI just don't trust the process.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
It's not my it's not my lived experience, so is then,
is that something that you yougo with and you lean into it, or
are you trying to change thatand become more?
I don't know.
I'm trying to work with it.
Speaker 3 (04:53):
Here's an example, and Linda and I had this
conversation the other day and Ican't remember even what we
were talking about.
That doesn't even matter, butthe point was I was getting
worried about whether I wasgoing to be able to do the work.
But the point was, I wasgetting worried about whether I
was going to be able to do thework and the point was, what I
was more afraid of is the changeto get to the next point,
because I know I can do the hardwork.
That's not the thing to focuson.
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But that's what I was focusingon is can I do the work?
I know I can?
I've proven over and over againI can do the hard work.
It was just adapting to theimplication of making a change,
to the implication of making achange.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
So, when you think about folds in your life, what
are some of the well-wornpathways?
It could be even the habits,could be, unfortunately, the
limiting beliefs.
It could be how you were shapedby your parents, or the
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activities that you were part ofat a young age, or how you were
educated or not educated, orwhere you learned your greatest
lessons.
So it's one thing to look at amap and it's another thing then
to start to look at the waysthat you have been folded, it's
coming to terms with it and it'sunderstanding not just what the
map looks like but how it'sbeen folded.
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Some of the people that we'vemet and talked to have said
things like this well, how do Iiron out my map?
Because I'm willing to unfold,but I just I want to steam some
of those creases out andunfortunately, like that's not
the point, you't do that.
How do you work?
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How do you work with it?
How do you make peace with it?
Because, yes, in a new shape,there will still be remnants of
where you, where you, came from.
So, understanding brian's workethic, understanding his drive
and his willingness to roll uphis sleeves and work hard and
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approach whatever he's doingwith the elite athlete mindset.
To understand that of Brian.
I'm not going to change him andsay just lighten up a little
bit, just run a little bitslower.
That's not a helpful way that Ican come alongside him and
invite him to think about hismap or the folds in his map
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differently.
Speaker 3 (07:12):
So here's a question for our audience, and that is
try to name like three or fourof those fundamental anchor
folds in your life that happenedearly on repetitively, that are
still there to this day.
So if I were to expand on someof these fundamental folds in my
life and be a little vulnerable, here here they are.
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I've already mentioned the hardwork.
That one's still there.
You guys know that that's there.
We already talked about thatNumber.
Next is keeping score, becauseI was.
I'm sitting right next to you.
I can hear you laughing in themicrophone Keeping score.
Speaker 2 (07:42):
As an athlete, I just keep right next to you, I can
hear you laughing in themicrophone, keeping score.
Speaker 3 (07:45):
As an athlete, I just keep score.
It's a part of who I am.
You guys know that, whateverthat looks like, it's always
there.
Number next, spirituality I wasraised in a church.
Going home, that attraction tothe spiritual, mystical nature
of things, that's just how Ithink.
And last is education.
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I've learned that learning is apathway that I engage on to
grow and to develop those fourfundamental folds.
To know, brian, is so thatthose four things are there.
Now, those are livedexperiences.
They were shaped by people.
They're just who I am.
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And to know that about me isunderstand when I'm at my best,
when I'm in flow, when I'm, youknow, just enjoying life.
Those four areas are probablyengaged in some way.
Speaker 1 (08:41):
And it takes those teachers that we named in the
previous episode about maps, theexperts and explorers and
empaths and entertainers.
When we stop just looking atour map and we start to look at
how we were folded and how wewere shaped, and then the shapes
that we don't see, it's some ofthose teachers that can help us
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understand why certain thingswere tucked away and why the
folds are there and why remnantsof the folds are there.
However, what are ways that oldfolds encourage new folds?
Speaker 3 (09:17):
And some of those fundamental fold questions could
be like what I namedexperiences.
Some of the fundamental foldsthat you could maybe be
answering for yourself could bewhat Linda's mentioning, that is
, the people.
Who are the four people thathad a significant shaping impact
on your life?
You can also think about theplaces.
You could name specific placesthat created fundamental folds
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in your life.
It's just, it's never goingaway or maybe specific events.
Whatever it is, the point is,within our map there are clear
and distinct fundamental foldsthat give us the shape, the
dimension and the texture of whowe are as individuals.
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They will always be who we are,even though there's a potential
for transformation, tocompletely reshape ourselves.
The fundamental folds willstill be the guiding principles
in the beginning of our nextprocess.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
What I'm trying to think of is, let's, let's say
there's something, there's somefold that you really want to
change.
You want to steam that suckerout.
You want to get rid of that.
You know, in the book OC isgoing from one good thing to
another good thing.
I'm an origami crane and I wantto refold into an airplane.
(10:32):
But what if you know I'm?
I was going to give an exampleof something very bad and
negative, but I don't know if wewant to do that here, but just
something like I really want tochange this about myself, to
become something better,something more life-giving.
So how do you work with peopleor instruct people?
I know we're trying to figureout this whole folding metaphor
(10:55):
where it's like no, this fold,this crease in my life, this is
something I am, uh, I don't like.
There is shame, there is guilt,there is.
It's still a part of my journeyand I can't ignore it, but I'm
working very hard to fold itinto something better.
What is that process like?
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Because you are unfolding it,but that crease is still there.
You're saying like it doesn'tever go away and you just have
to learn Like you know, brian,you're talking about keeping
score.
Learn Like you know, brian,you're talking about keeping
score.
Well, what if that goes way offthe rails and you become, you
know, this militant scorekeepingmonstrosity of a human and
you're like this is just who Iam.
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If you look at where I wasraised, I played on teams.
This is who I am, back off, youknow.
Does that make sense?
I don't exactly know where thequestion is in there.
How, maybe when, can it go toofar of understanding and knowing
this is who I am, this is whereI came from, versus
transforming those things into agenerative, positive,
life-giving force that exists inthe world to do good.
Speaker 1 (12:02):
Is there some question that you can answer?
Well, I'm hearing a lot ofmeasurement or this is good or
this is bad.
We want to take out some of theemotional or electric charge or
judgment and just say name it,name the fold, all right.
(12:24):
What does that say?
Don't automatically assume okay, that's bad, so I need to get
rid of it.
Speaker 2 (12:29):
I'm gonna assign a value to it.
Speaker 1 (12:30):
Yeah yeah, um, erase some of the value.
Just look at it for what it isand then allow.
Allow that information or thatability to name to bring you to
the next step this is why I'velearned firsthand the hard way.
Speaker 3 (12:45):
Leave the fold alone.
Let the fold tell the story,because you can't ever undo the
experience, but the experiencetells a story and when you let
the experience tell the storywithin the context, it's going
to surprise you what you hear.
For example, just think of howmany scars you have on your body
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.
Every scar tells its own story,and one of the most significant
scars that I have you would.
You might never see or I mightnever point it out, but it
carries with it a crazy story.
That's both funny andterrifying, but it's just part
of who I am.
We don't always pay attention tosome of the, you know,
difficult folds in our life.
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They're always going to bethere.
And how do we work those foldsinto the new design?
And that's the part that I justlove.
The other day I was having astrengths conversation with
someone, and I just love havingthese first conversations with
people where you're just gettingto know them, because you're
always surprised by their story,because sometimes the way
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someone shows up, they just showup so polished and so confident
and everything is quote-unquote, ironed out.
But then, the closer that Icame to this person's story, the
more, I realized just howtextured their story was.
Not like prickly texture, butit was almost like Braille,
where there was a hidden messageon the surface of their map
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which you would never have knownunless you listened really
closely.
Now, in that story you don'tpress out the Braille, you let
the Braille tell its own story.
But you have to listen, payattention and be open-minded to
what the folds are saying,because they will speak truth
about the person.
Speaker 1 (14:37):
But how to not glamorize it?
Speaker 2 (14:40):
Or vilify it.
Speaker 1 (14:41):
Or vilify it.
The extremes of that.
Speaker 3 (14:45):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (14:46):
It goes back to seeing the value.
So from a distance most peoplelook really put together, Like
they're in a beautiful origamishape and we're just celebrating
it.
The closer you zoom in, themore creases and crumples and
wrinkles and stretches you see.
Speaker 3 (15:03):
Yeah, okay.
Speaker 1 (15:06):
So with that it's a matter of perspective, because
some of these folds are so closeto us it may feel like it's not
a scar.
It's still an open wound.
So let's not, you know, pickthat apart too much.
I think it is the some of thefolds that create the best help.
For other people are the scarswhere someone else is saying,
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like I've been folded like thattoo.
Speaker 3 (15:32):
You know what I?
Speaker 1 (15:33):
fell off the platform and I was crumpled like OC as
well.
I spun on my back like turtle.
There are these stories andthese, these stories, and these
not just folds, crumples,creases, scratches, tears, that
also speak about our humanityand who we are and how we show
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up.
And it's, it's our willingnessto share that, not just iron out
perfection and trying to showoff.
Speaker 3 (16:05):
If you find yourself fixating on a fold or a crease
and you're unsure how to makesense of it, it may be maybe
it's time for us to ask for helpto interpret it, because
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there's such beauty in lettingsomething sit for a while until
it's the right time, and thereis a beauty that comes when
you're actually nurturing thepart of your story that wants to
be told in a different light.
I was doing some executivecoaching with someone a couple
of weeks ago and his story,which you would never know by
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watching him.
He was homeless for two yearsafter college.
You would never know that thatpart of his life was there.
But the way he tells the storyfully embraced, he fully
embodies it.
And the way he tells the storywas in then, how he lives his
life now and the lessons he'steaching his kids now.
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In that story he had to ask forhelp.
He literally had to start over.
He had to renew, like what hebelieved in.
But the point is he did thework.
Sometimes the folds, the bendsand the creases just need our
attention.
They need some love, some care,some kindness and some
gentleness, because I reallybelieve that those folds, bends
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and creases are there to teachus something, and the timing is
now.
Speaker 1 (17:39):
And the reason why we used origami is there's a
beauty and elegance to it.
Speaker 2 (17:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (17:46):
And we described in chapter one about all the
different kinds of paper thatwere chosen for these different
characters.
And so, although some of thefolds are strong, the other
message of the book is you don'thave to stay in this shape, the
shape you are today is not theshape you have to stay.
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Sometimes people resign like,well, that's just my fold,
that's just who I am, that's whoI'm going to be forever.
And instead, what are thoselessons?
The folding could be a lessonof something I'm not going to go
back to, or, oh yeah, this issome of the hangup that I have.
So how do I have it stack in adifferent way to get out of
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these patterns that have notbeen helpful to me?
Speaker 2 (18:30):
Yeah, I was reading something the other day.
It was about kind ofmindfulness and meditation and
stuff, but it talked about howthe quote I wrote down was many
of the attributes that we valuemost are skills that can be
trained.
The same way that you build,like, your body in the gym, and
I wonder if that applies here inthe sense of like knowing these
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folds and knowing they existyou can sort of practice or
train or try to quote chapterthree to be different.
And if you're not aware of that, if you're not aware, then you
have no ability to try somethingdifferent, you have no ability
to work on a skill or work on awhatever.
(19:16):
And that all begins with kindof acknowledging the fold, with
recognizing the fold, with notascribing some sort of value or
numerical number to it, uh, justlike.
This is a thing, and moving Idon't know if moving past it is
the right, is the right way, butjust um I don't know, is that
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anything with it?
Speaker 3 (19:40):
was that moving with a?
Speaker 2 (19:41):
drone.
No, well, it was.
It's in the book 10 happier,happier by Dan Harris, okay, and
he quotes a lot of people inthere, so I don't know where
exactly that came from.
But the other quote was just theidea of meditation in general,
like when you get good at it,the practice can create space in
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your head.
He says so that when you getangry or annoyed or mad, you're
just less likely to kind of takethe bait, or you can at least
pause.
Or mad, you're just less likelyto kind of take the bait, or
you can at least pause.
And I wonder if the same thingapplies to being aware of these
folds, so that you know if afold represents a behavior that
you don't like and appreciate.
If you're now aware of thisfold, maybe you can see it
coming.
Or the reverse, like oh, thisis a fold that I just this is
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such a great part of who I am,I'm folded in this way, I love
it.
It's reverse, like oh, this isa fold that I just this is such
a great part of who I am, I'mfolded in this way, I love it,
it's your, it's your paper planefold.
Speaker 3 (20:37):
you can try to do more of that, I don't know if
that's anything, I'm trying tobring in random things here, but
part of the reason why theconversation on folding is
important is because the foldsgive us the shape and dimension,
the architecture that help ussustain the challenging and the
fun times in life.
We also are choosing thismetaphor of folding because
there's always an invitation tochange and when it's time to
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change, we can reverse the foldsand start over to create an
entirely new shape, and in thatprocess, some of the fundamental
folds will provide the guidancenecessary and the direction
needed for what is potentiallyavailable to us to become.
That transformation is aprocess of slow and intentional
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unfolding to then refold again,and in that process, I think
it's important to ask for help.
It's important to take the risk, because we also know this a
new fold is just creating atension in a new direction,
right, and that tension in a newdirection will give us a new
shape and a new perspective onourselves and who we are as
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people that may empower andenlighten us for whatever the
challenges that we are facing.
Speaker 2 (21:49):
The golden retriever when Osi gets on.
Speaker 3 (21:52):
I can't remember if it's a boy or a girl and
Golden's back and they'rerunning and he's like, okay,
stop.
Speaker 2 (21:59):
Or she's like stop, and then she flies off and for
that briefest of moments she wasquote unquote flying and then
slams into the tree and fallsdown.
I was rereading that and I waslaughing, because how many times
do you have someone in yourlife quote unquote flying and
then slams into the tree andfalls down?
I was rereading that and I waslaughing, because I you know,
how many times do you havesomeone in your life who comes
along to help you all well, allgood intentioned, but it doesn't
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go very well, and and you'relike, oh that, I fell, I crashed
, I burned, like don't ever dothat again.
It's like, well, actually,maybe that's exactly what you
needed, but you just need alittle more of a little,
something a little different.
And so to you know, not tospoil it, but she needs to
unfold her other wings.
So they're both going in thesame direction.
Okay, done, Well, got it.
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But what I was thinking aboutwith that is, you know, you talk
about all the people in yourlife, how you get to a point and
you're just stuck.
Had she not taken that risk,gotten on his back, ran headlong
into a tree, she wouldn't needs.
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Maybe the other one, Maybe Ineed to do this.
So it's that part of thatprocess I think is extremely
difficult and scary andchallenging and unless you have
other people in your life thatcan, maybe, like you said,
you're too close to it.
We're too close to it sometimes, so I don't even know what I'm
saying here.
I do, there's no question, butokay, google translate me here.
Speaker 3 (23:28):
There's no question.
But okay, google translate me.
In the process of folding,unfolding and refolding, yes, we
pay attention to the folds thatare there as we're refolding.
I think there's an importantlesson for all of us, and that
is test the folds.
The folds create shape.
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Shape needs to be tested andsometimes the testing happens
quick, sometimes the testinghappens slow, but what's
important is test your progress,test your evolution, test your
ideas, practice what you're,what you think you're doing, to
learn what adaptations oradjustments need to be made or
who can help you along the way.
Because part of what I knowthrough lived experience and
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watching and talking to peopleis that sometimes all the signs
point to the folds being readyand they're not, and we just
don't know until we try.
So part of the invitation isfold and test, refold and test
again, because at some pointwe're going to understand, when
the shape gets really, reallyclose, that it's actually
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working, and we always have achance to go back and start over
again.
I just, I really believe thatthe metaphor is strong for so
many things in life, whetherit's learning to develop a new
skill, or practicing somethingwe haven't practiced before, or
reminding ourselves of whatwe're good at.
There's some life to be gainedby understanding our folds, by
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trying to shape ourselves intosomething new and to test our
folding process as we go.
Speaker 1 (25:08):
And I think we can learn a lot from folding and
folders.
When our book first came out, Iwas bringing the book to a
friend and it's the couple'sdear, dear friends of ours.
She's been part of LeadershipVision in the past.
She has three beautiful boys.
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She's been part of LeadershipVision in the past.
She has three beautiful boysand I hold up the book and I'm
giving it to them before theyhead off to Machu Picchu, which
is a whole other map.
And I was telling them, andBethany said Linda and Brian
wrote a book To her kids, soshe's describing to her children
(25:49):
.
Linda and Brian wrote a book toher kids, so she's, you know,
describing to her children.
Linda and Brian wrote a bookand I said it is about an
origami crane.
You want to hear the first line.
There once was an origami cranewho dreamed of becoming a paper
plane.
And these kids are active, theyare smart, and the youngest two
said we make paper planes andit was this joy.
(26:14):
So of course I dig in my purseand I have two maps, square maps
, because we carry maps andcranes with us wherever we go.
And I handed each one of them apiece of map paper and I have
their, I carry their planes withme.
Because they created two verydifferent planes and one of them
(26:34):
actually said well, I'm used to, I don't use squares, I use
rectangles.
And his dad, who was foreverencouraging, said just try it
this way, just try it this way.
They made two different planesand then they were practicing,
flying them in the parking lotas we were, as we were hanging
out and to see them crease andfold, and then wonder and wonder
(27:01):
about aerodynamics and try toexplain.
They were explaining to eachother like, oh well, you need to
have more of this.
And then, because of the liftof that, and I was just watching
the joy of two young boys justmaking a plane, and the whole
(27:22):
part was make a plane and Ithink as adults sometimes we're
like I don't even know where tostart.
I'm just a crane, that's it.
And sometimes, you know, wedon't know how we showed up in
this form and in this shape.
But in the courage of unfoldingmay we take the joy of children
who say, well, I can make aplane and guess what?
(27:45):
They don't care if there werebends and folds in it from
before.
As they were practicing, thoseplanes were crashing in the
parking lot, and then they wouldsmooth it out and they would
try something else, or theywould add a little bit to it,
and they kept playing, and theykept playing of not being
(28:06):
limited by all the folds that weused to have, but experiencing
the joy of the folds that thatwill actually give us flight.
Speaker 3 (28:15):
Hmm.
Speaker 2 (28:16):
That's so interesting .
Thinking about the folds of achild or the lack thereof,
they're just figuring it outLike they don't have the limits.
That that we do as adults andit's something I'm constantly
reminded of is like, don't forcethem into this, into my way of
doing things.
Yes, there's obviously wisdomand stuff to be learned, but
(28:39):
just that excitement of watchingkids figure stuff out and like
let's just try this, let's try,just try this.
My aunt was here visitingrecently and she's a some
executive with a healthcarecompany and she was she was like
have you ever heard of thismarshmallow tower challenge?
Like have I ever heard of that?
And she's like I just thoughtit was so interesting how the
kids did better than all ofthese fancy PhDs, because
(29:02):
they're not afraid to try andthey're not afraid to, you know,
experiment and and fail quicklyand and blah, blah, blah, blah,
blah.
So how would you guys wrap thisup or how would you put a bow
on what we're talking about?
Speaker 3 (29:16):
Fundamental to each one of us.
There is a map, and in that mapare dominant folds that give us
the shape and dimension of ourlife.
The invitation is to work withthose folds and imagine what
shape they could possiblyprovide when given the freedom
(29:37):
to express themselves.
Linda, what would you add.
Speaker 1 (29:41):
Don't be embarrassed by the creases and crumples.
Most people aren't looking thatclose at you anyway.
That's not true.
Because they're more worriedabout their own creases and
crumbles and covering them upand, should you unfold, take
some lessons from my youngfriends and fold anew.
Speaker 2 (30:04):
Thank you for listening to the Leadership
Vision Podcast, our show helpingyou build positive team culture
.
For more resources aboutfolding and unfolding, you can
visit us on the web atleadershipvisionconsultingcom or
click the link in the shownotes, where you can also find a
link to Brian and Linda's bookUnfolded Lessons in
Transformation from an OrigamiCrane, sold wherever good books
(30:26):
are sold.
If you want more resourcesabout what you heard here today
or anything related to buildingpositive team culture, again
visit us on the web atleadershipvisionconsultingcom or
click the link in the shownotes.
I'm Nathan Friberg.
I'm Linda Schubring.
Speaker 3 (30:41):
And I'm Brian Schubring.
Speaker 2 (30:42):
And on behalf of our entire team thanks for listening
.
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