The Leftovers with Jay, Jack + Mike: Ep. 3.07 "The Most Powerful Man in the World"

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From Raleigh, North Carolina. It'sThe Leftovers with Jay and Jam podcast dedicade
to HBOS The Leftovers. So sitback, relax and enjoy the show.
Hybrid. Welcome to The Leftovers withJay, Jack and Mike. My name
is Jay, my name is Mike, and I'm Thump and oh welcome to

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the show. Has everybody doing today? I'm gonna put in the pick right
now. The Leftovers can get snubsfor any other Emmys as far as I'm
concerned, but given Emmy nod,impossible. When to the sound mixing guy
for that one fully effect, Iwant to be a fly on the wall
of like one of the biggest fullystudios in Hollywood because they were asked to

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do the craziest things in this goldenage of TV at movies. Imagine imagine
the director and writer going to justin, Okay, this is what we want
you to do. We need weneed you to pull off a dick flop.
Yeah, and you have to doit. I mean, I asked
Jay before I actually saw Jay today. We're over his house. But Mike,
have you ever seen the movie BachelorParty? Is that the like the

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og Tom Hanks put him on thescene movie yeah, no, but I
will say to you, there's there'sa scene in there. Nick his nick
the Richard. Can we say Dick? I guess Jay did. That's his
name and he pulls it out andit's you have to see the scene.
But it's like and they get allThey're like, oh, they apply,
you have to see the movie.I'm not doing it justice, but to

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help Jack. I haven't seen BachelorParty, but I have seen the Patty
Duke Show, so I did enjoythe reference that they made identical cousins.
Um is it weird that I knewalmost ninety nine percent of the music played
on this episode? No, thiswas like, really Taylor made for you
because most of the time I'm likegoing, I don't know who that is.

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But boutin Clay, you were totallyout on. But this is baby.
You give me captain to l Iknow it. But uh, you
know you're probing about the Foley.Uh. Damon on Instagram today said the
Folly guys had to use a ferretthat they dropped on a quilt to get

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a live ferrets. Yeah, liveferret they dropped on a quilt to get
the sound. Knowing Damon, he'sprobably just you know, making a joke.
But still he's trying to get thepeople who are ferret lovers mad at
him. Um, because he doeshave enough people mad at him. He's
just he's trying to say he isgonna be coming after the leftovers now,

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no ferrets her armed in the filmingof this uh. To be fair,
though, Peter was probably up theirbutts to begin with when the first scene
of the entire series was Dean shootingand killing a dog. That's true.
Yeah, it could have been bringingthe stunt dog. Um. Now he's
always I mean like, if youhad Lastie, you would are you wouldn't

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shoot Lastie, would you? Soyeah? But um but yeah another going
into the other side, if youwill, or Kevin's underworld or the in
between or whatever the place he goeswhen he dies. Uh and written by
Nick kus Um and Damon Lindeloff.Nick hus son of Carlton kus O friend

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who co wrote UH last year lastseason's famous International Assassin episode, who was
just close to being on the podcastni Um But uh but yeah a fan
A fantastic episode that almost like UHsaid, I don't say poo poo or
boo hoo to all the almost mythologythat was building up to it, and

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just like said, no, whatreally matters is is you kind of stopping
whatever the heck it is, stoprunning away? Do I get? Do
I get any kind of credit andkind of crackpot theory points? Because there
was a nuclear war in this episode? Did you just not just not in

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the proper timeline? Yeah, Imean I just I just I say there's
nuclear war. Yeah, huh,that's what's gonna happen. And that's why
why uh Norris got like a likeradiation burns. So I get nothing for
this. Remember I had the theI had the Charlton Heston seen at planet

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I must have just nothing. Iget nothing, nothing, no, nothing,
get a big old flop you getyou get dick for that? No,
I know that's I think that's good. That's I I would give you
some credit for quarter to dole itout, I would say, I'd give

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me some credit for that. Well, I'm gonna take you over your because
Jay would never Jay's cheep, soJay wouldn't let me, you know,
would give me noth things. I'lltake that. Speaking of what you were
saying before earlier, though, Jay, it's really interesting because yeah, I'm
trying to figure out. I know, some of our feedback sort of addresses
what the ending is it sort ofwhat are they? What are the creators

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trying to say? What is theshow trying to say? But it's it's
so interesting to me. How youknow, you've built up, like you
said, this sort of I wouldn'tsay mythology, but this definite like philosophical
drive that is really churning a lotof these more mythical elements that have existed
through the past two seasons. Andthen what it all amounts to is a
very human realization at the end.You know that considering that among all the

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craziness that happens this episode, oneof the Kevin's final words is, you
know, we apped up with Noraand for Kevin to go through this entire
walkabout like experience only to realize thatis actually really lovely and that I don't
I wouldn't say that it wastes ourtime, because these were experiences that we
greatly enjoy from an artistic perspective.As per usual, this world is so

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crazy, easily built that it's somuch fun to navigate. But to then
have you know, the big pieceof wisdom after we've got these weeks and
weeks built up up. Okay,Kevin needs to die because he needs to
get the song to do this.To do that, he had a laundry
list of things to go in anddo, and it turns out that the
only reason he really needed to gothere was just to sort of get closure,
to admit that he was vulnerable andto realize, oh, yeah,

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this is a relationship that I needto salvage. It's really fantastic and and
again it's sort of is able torepresent what Linda Loop I think Post Lost
is really trying to do it,which is saying, once again, we
go back to this season two theme, let the mystery be unlike this season
one theme that boomed over the courseof these credits that you know, it

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doesn't really matter necessarily what the bigquestion and answers are. It always comes
back to these characters. So willwe get a Nora and Kevin reunion?
Well, it would seem with becausebecause we all I think we're all in
agreement. Yeah, we're done withthat. It's not going to happen.
Well, well, let's uh,let's pause here to thank you'll make a

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show possible, and we don't havea more detailed recap, blame me.
Uh, you know, live aitionstook up the note taking time. But
we will cover all of the importanttopics. We got a lot of emails
to getting today about this episode.I'm so excited to jump into that um

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as well as Jack has prepared quitepossible in the greatest crackpot theories in the
history of the game. Um.So that'll pause, I'll go get my
phone and I'll phone it in.Okay, Honestly, the one you phoned
in was the best one you hadall season, to be fair, I
think in which one? I can'tremember that. It was the the Kevin
Senior episode when he was when yousaid that Matt was gonna kill Kevin.

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Yeah, oh yeah, that wasyourr Judas one, I think right,
and it still could happen. Idon't know one more episode. I don't
know if Matt's gonna make it.To be fair. Um, But to
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and Jack become a patron to day, go to Jane Jack the comment click
on the become a patron link.All right, so let's let's jump into
this episode here. It starts outin an interesting way. It's the second
to last episode where we have theseason two title crits has also been the
season three one butt. In seasonthree, it's been a different song each
week or different kind of even whatwas it the a couple weeks ago.

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It's just a French guy whispering.But uh we had this season one very
ominous, uh depressing theme from seasonone. Uh overplayed the season two title
credits. UM interesting choice there,I what's what do you what do you

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guys think the motivation behind that is? I Mean one of the things that's
always really interesting about this alternative universeis that at it brings back people from
Kevin's past to exist and through thispurgatorial state. I mean, last time
he had to assassinate Patty and youhad Gladness there and you had Holy Wayne

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there. This time we're gonna getDean serving as one of his accomplished it
as accomplices. Officer Kevin the bereavedOfficer, Australian asshole. Kevin was the
Secret Service guy. So maybe it'sjust sort of a symbol to him and
to us about how much the pastreally reverberates. And it's going to start
off, as you're about to mention, with a flashback as well from the

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time between seasons two and three.So, you know, I think we
talked in the very beginning of thisseason about the killing off of Dean and
how that might represent, you know, how the show in a way is
sort of blowing away what existed andit's sort of moving on with whatever happens
from then on. But maybe thisis sort of retroactively regrating that, you
know that it's saying, it's thesecharacters are not able to necessarily move on

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completely. Their past, whether departure, affiliated or otherwise, are always going
to have their effect on the showand on these people. Much like the
season one theme, even though ithas not existed over the course of almost
eighteen episodes, will still be thereat the end of the day. Yeah,
Jack, what do you think?What are your thoughts there? Because

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I think Mike has a good point. It's it does bringing back all of
these characters and kind of referencing itand showing it in context, especially a
second to the last episode, maybea little call back as well, just
for nostalgia's sake. Well, itwas great to see Patty again. I
mean that that's always good. ButI gotta wonder if the actors like an

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episode like this opposed or regular episodebecause they get to be you know,
especially just because he's playing so manydifferent he's doing so many different things.
I would think it'd be more excitingto go to work doing this than a
regular week. I don't know aboutyou, guys, I think so.
I mean, it's it's fun,it's different, it's it's crazy. I
mean, the past Kevin relationship hasalways been good television. I just I

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just like to I wish we couldget to get a chance to talk to
one of them, say, doyou guys enjoy this more than just a
regular episode? Just just fine?But I enjoyed it. I thought it
was a great episode. But whoknows what's going on because you at the
beginning, yet you got Nora andKevin. We're in the bathtub together,
and they seem like they're the twohappiest people in the world talking about I
think, and that's uh. Itshows because even in the end, it

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is like we we left up withNora, And this is showing maybe maybe
the good thing, the good partsof this relationship. Because when there was
a big bloat between Kevin and Norah, which was our live show that we
did UM here in Raleigh about acouple of weeks ago, UM, we
we both we all kind of mentionedhow it seemed like it was a flawed

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relationship because they were both broken andthey both weren't talking to each other,
so it kind of made sense thatit went thermonuclear UM, and we didn't
think it would be salvageable at all. But this episode seems to pivot away
from um, this book of Kevinuh you know savior storyline to then say,

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no, um, this is justKevin running away from another relationship and
this one is the one he shouldtry to save. But is it too
late? Is it too late?Well? No, they also talking they
were gonna, you know, livelive out their lives with each other,
because they're talking about what do youwell, how do you want to be
buried? How you know, whatdo you want when to be cremated?
This and that? And she says, well, Matt would never do that,

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and he says, f Matt,you know I I thought, I
go, wow, Wow, theyreally did care for each other. I
think that we I think this episodeshowed, like you just said, it
showed more than ever that they reallydid care for each other. They just
they just had issues that they thatall came to, you know, in
that hotel room. All you know, stuff they've been holding inside. You

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know, in real life, ifyou know you hold something inside, it
just blurts out and you go,I wish I wouldn't have said that.
Yeah, And I think that constantlyon the previous song. For the past
two weeks, we've seen Kevin tellNora, you know, you know,
you should go be with your children, essentially saying his own version of f
off. And I feel like they'vebeen kept repeating that because that's a line
that I feel like is digging into Kevin, and you have to assume

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that maybe Kevin sort of experiencing somesort of flashback to this moment. It's
interesting because throughout this episode specifically,we get moments where you know, Kevin's
saying something and when he's reading themanuscript, for instance, and then we
see flashes of the things that arebeing referred to, and I wonder,
are we supposed to take that asKevin's having those flashes right there, or

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is it more of a reminder tothe audience about what those things symbolize.
Maybe both, Yeah, it's robit to both, like, oh hey,
audience, is what happened at refresher? Get you back in that headspace?
And then also for Kevin too,I mean, because it's expression on
his face, it did look likehe was reacting to what we were seeing.
And we know that, you know, even a couple of episodes ago,

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we know that he's not exactly thebest state mentally, considering how he
was projecting Evy onto this poor randomlibrary worker in Melbourne, which I think,
you know, unspoken hero of thisseason. She went and even still
Kevin basically assaulted her, still triedto help out Kevin, knowing that he
is mentally ill. So what didyou what did you guys think going back

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to this Norah Kevin scene about Kevin'splan to first of all be taxed her
mead, and then Nora seems likeshe's going to have her way with the
stuffed Kevin at any point in timethat she wants to. That's what she
wanted him to have a beard,right because yeah, I'm gonna yeah.
And so that's that's the origin ofKevin's beard, which better or worse payoff

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than the origin of Jack's tattoo.Better, much better, just a just
a tad, just a hair better. If you were there, you go
hair better. I just thought itwas a great scene because you could.
To me, I'm watching, Igo they loved each other, They really
did. They love each other.Um. Yeah, and it's again I

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think it bookends both sides of theepisode. Well, like that this this
moment where you know, and andI think all relationships have that that time
where it's just that over the toplove everything. Um. And then eventually
relationships, as time goes on,you know, stuff happens and it eventually
you get resentment built up or whatever. Um, and it's it's not gonna

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be the same as it was likemaybe the first six months of a relationship.
So it was it was nice togo back to that time to really
see because we've never got to seeit really um. And it gave it
gave more weight to the we effedup with Norah because for this season pretty
much Nora has been kind of spasticand lost and wanting to go back to
her kids. Um, and Kevin'skind of you know, however you want

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to see it as him kind ofbeing full of himself with this whole book
of Kevin thing. Um well,I think the whole book, the whole
book of Kevin. It was beingforced upon him, though. I mean
they kept you know, mad well, I it was well, they kept
pushing this whole book of Kevin.If your people keep telling you that,

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plus Nora, is it really her? I mean, you can't blame Nora
for wanting to see your kids again, not at all, if there's a
chance that she could. I said, I think we said a couple when
we this first happened, I go, yeah, if my kids all vanished
and you know, you were thrownaway, I think you've said that many
times. I probably would, butuh, you gotta take the gotta take
the animals with them. And youknow I'm not kidding, but no,

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I if I had it, ifI could go take a chance that yeah,
you we're gonna take where I'd beobliterated or go find my kids,
I would take a chance. Iwould take that chance. I mean it
just and I think we brought usin right with SLS at the very beginning
of the season, and it's moremusic than Jack knows exactly win win win.

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Um. So uh, and Ithink I don't know if she'd really
I don't think she would have sexwith the taxi dermid Kevin. But given
I think, given, given theweight of that flop woven, the weight
of the flop, she could putthe plastic bag over his face. No,

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I think I think as long asthe weight of the beard there the
beard, and uh, Kevin's well, how do you You got to make
sure that the the the go tomake sure that rigor mortis sets in at
just the right point. And thenyou say, Okay, I was gonna
say it's got to be stuffed properly. That horrible. You wouldn't would You
wouldn't want him do this half stuffit because then it'd be like I'm getting

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short change here. Uh. Butin all fairness, I mean, the
show kind of just hit it overthe head. Uh that's you're you're not
taking the blame on this, No, I I it's it's it's this is
part of the show, the TVshow. Um. But I will say,
uh, well we'll we'll get thatwhen we talk about it. So
coming out of that we kind ofhave Kevin. He's just he's ready to

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he's ready to go, he's readyto die. Yeah, so I don't
understand necessarily, and I guess thisis a sort of like Senior's big role
in it. I mean, evenfrom his own independent episode, it seems
like he had his own thoughts abouthow this is my story, my son's
just in it, because you wouldthink, you know, Kevin Junior obviously

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wants to this, especially after talkingwith Lorie, having that very poignant conversation
where he said I felt more alivewhen I was dead, ironically enough,
so then to have him stop Kevindrowning himself, pull him up and Kevin's
like okay, I'm good, andSenior's like, okay, then we'll do
it again. It just it seemeda little odd. But again, but
again, you need to look backto Senior's whole idea about the way that

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these things work, and that hefeels that the reason why Kevin's doing this
is for me. Well, youknow, if if I was putting that,
if I was drowning myself and somebodylifted me up and stop the process
just in order to do it again, I would probably to go full I'd
be upset here. I I've alreadyI've already I've already committed myself to doing

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it, prepared myself, and you'relifting me up halfway through my drowning.
It's like, always want to bereally sure that you want to do this,
really sure. And all in allfairness, they were drug They just
woke up, so they kind ofjust still don't know what's going on.
I mean, I mean, Iguess there is a chance that they could
have thought that Lori did it orsomething against Kevin's Well, yeah, but

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they didn't say that, But theydon't know's I can kind of see their
perspective. They just woke up.They don't know what happened. They assume
morea commnce Kevin's gone, they seehis horse and then he's in there,
so I think they I go thisfar too. It's like, well you
had your chance, I'm not doingit. But again, all of his
apostles there, Definitely they still caredabout what they wanted because it was pretty

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much like he comes up, waslike, you need this, and you
want to make sure he knows thatshe was loved, and you want to
know about the shoes and this,and you need Christopher Senday to tell me
this song and drowned me again.Yeah, So it's interesting how willing Kevin
is to do this, And Ithink that's what's nice about the second time
when Michael kind of brings up,like why is he doing this? Um?

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I think he said he'd never beenin a better place, right,
That's what he told Laurie plus oralive or alive? But I think he
also what does he have at thispoint? Well, again he's it's it's
that whole he's running away from therelationship. Um. Uh. So he
gets put under and did anybody feelthis episode that he was gonna die?

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Like this wasn't gonna work this time? Was when when I first heard the
International Assassin music, I knew thathe was gonna go through. But I
guess the question is, you know, how would things? And I guess
he can't die in this I mean, I know that Virgial's initial rules from
the hotel was essentially don't drink thewater because the episode is gonna end with

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him essentially dying with this giant nuclearstrike, and then he comes to in
our world completely fine. So youknow, maybe because he was in a
way the most powerful man in theworld. He was not able to you
know, pass on to either anotherplane or remain in this plane and just
forget about everything that happened. Butalso kind of it breaks that it has

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to happen in a miracle Texas too, right. Um. But he arrives
naked on a beach this time.No uh, no bathtub entrance. I
knew we were getting naked Kevin whenwe heard I saw brief nudity. Oh
yeah, it's just gonna be nakedKevin. Nothing wrong with that, Nothing
wrong with that. Um. JenniferAnderson's a lucky, lucky lady. Um.

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But uh but yeah, and thenhe's almost killed by m a Russian
uh mob guy or whatever. Andthen our good friend uh it swoops in
and saves Kevin at the last heblows He blows the Russian away. Yeah
from a uh from as a parachute? Did he paraglide in? Yes?

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And lots of fun symbolism to againto the sort of reverberation of the past
coming into this realm, some funsort of pairings when you know, Dean
when they approached Kevin's little retirement shackand Dean says, oh, you're gonna
invite me in. I don't knowif you guys remember, but I believe
he said the same thing to Kevinwhen he first like parked his truck in

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Kevin's driveway early on in season onewith a six pack to talk about the
dogs. Yes, you're correct,Um, it was just like Jack's tattoo.
Though going back to that was he'sat the retirement shack and was it
Tahiti or wherever he was at BallotValley. I don't know. I can't
never worry that. I'm just saying, um, but so, yeah,

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he is Kevin Harvey. Did wedid we get a Kevin his name the
last time the International Assassin? Um? Yeah, kind his name was Kevin
Harvey was assassin when he came inas the cop the second time. I
don't know him. His name mighthave been like Kevin Darvy or something.
But it seems like he's now inthe International Assassin timeline, which again begs
the question we're about to get intoidentit called Kevin's to quote Patty, are

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there two different lines going on here? Are we assuming that there was like
one line where Kevin continued to bethe International Assassin and now another line where
bearded, Kevin becomes the president ordid they just sort of like split off
at one point and this is thenew line that they existed. And I
know that's confusing for me to outline, but it seemed confusing to sort of
to grasp, well, is it. It's kind of it seems whatever,

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it's whatever Kevin chooses to be.It's a bit of a Gozer situation where
at least that's how I see it. You know, it's like in the
hotel, you can kind of choosewhat uniform is wearing, and that would
kind of be what you know,Kevin choose last name would end up being
so because it to me, it'dbe how would there in the afterlife or

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whatever Kevin goes, how would howwould those timelines continue on when he is
in the you know, land ofthe living h So to me, it
would almost seem like it's just whateverhe whatever his mind needs the process through
is is how he exists in theafterlife. So that being said, did

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you like that we went back tothe international assassin route or would you have
hoped that we did something new?Entirely makes sense he would go back to
that because that's kind of what hewas expecting it to be right, um
or probably what he was hoping forit to be. So it would make
sense that that's if if it wason his mind, that's that's how it
would go. It wasn't until helooked in the reflection that that it took

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him to you go back to whatyou want to be, what you you
know you're what you want to be. Like maybe the Kevin, the Kevin
that was the that was killed thestake, the wrong Kevin. He maybe
he wanted to be a secret serviceperson. I don't know. Maybe that's
how it works in the Dean obviouslylikes to shoot thing, so that fit

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right for Dean's character. Well,Dean kind of gives when the rules,
he kind of breaks everything and hebreaks his sweet sunglasses. Um. And
as he can't look at it hisreflection any time. UM. And Kevin
kind of makes his his you know, before he does anything, and he's
to do these things right. Hishis punch list, if you will,
um. Of you know, findingout Grace's kids where the shoes went,

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telling Evie that your family loved you, and getting this song from Christopher Sunday
UM, and Christopher Sunday happens tobe the Prime Minister of Australia in the
afterlife. So that's pretty good.Yeah, which I think it's kind of
cool for you know, uh interms of the probably an Aboriginal prime prinister.
Prime minister would be a big dealin Australia, And I think it's

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kind of neat, uh in ifif he's living in his own timeline and
that's what he chose, I thinkit's kind of I think it's cool.
Um. But uh so, yeah, he gets a call from the boss
and the boss happens to be God. Yes. So we we talked before
during the mad episod about David Burton, this actor appearing previous the previous two

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times that Kevin went to the hotel. It does seem like he's back once
again. I think the question stillremains as to whether or not he is
God or whether he's going through asimilar Kevin like thing where he was mauled
by you know, Cecil the Lion'sdescendant and now he is now he sort
of is existing in that plane becauseagain we get this thing later on where

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you know, he told Meg thathe fed her the line that he's God.
But he also seems to have alot of omniscience as well at the
same time about things that are happening. Yeah, and again, maybe he's
just died enough times and been therethat he just he just knows. It's
kind of like from Groundhog Day wherehe's like, I'm a guy, not
Vega, but a god. Maybeguy's just done this so many times that

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he knows everything's going to happen andthat and maybe this is for um for
him. What's he what he hasdone? You know, he's been mauled
by a tire or die, youknow ralphal Cliff. Maybe it's happened so
many times and he's been there somany times that he just knows kind of
the ins and outs of this,uh, this after or this underworld more
than than Kevin does. Then he'sreally can't tankerous about it too. I

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also realized that then I meant Frasierthe Lion, not Cessil the Lion.
I think Cecil the Lion is uh. Is that a cartoon character, Joe
Cecil? Cecil is the one thatwas killed by the dentist. Oh that's
the one, right, Yeah,And I'm almost the one year anniversary of
Harambe's death. It's it's a it'sa grim reference that I accidentally made.

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There. We're we're, we're,we're pleasing Peter in so many ways this
episode. Uh yeah, the dentist, the dentist guy. Yeah, that
was a good guy. Um butany who, Uh yeah, so David
Burton is his boss. I mean, he tells him to look at the
mirror, and that's when it takeshim to the most powerful man in the

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world, the President of the UnitedStates. Um. So we we said
in another place where remember he's inthe guilty renant, it's not coming back,
there's no point. But in thisother world. Oh wait, oh
wait, wait, wait wait,we all didn't say I think we all
said it wasn't gonna happen. Ohno, no, I said they were
going to come back. Well,I said, at least one of them.

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Okay, well it doesn't count becauseit's in the Afterno, okay,
it doesn't count because oh kay,fine take See Mike would have said,
yeah, go ahead and take it, but Jake Dja says, no,
you can't have it. This isa good cop, bad cop scenario.
Jazz. Um. But yeah,so, I guess in this alternate afterlife

(28:37):
world, the guilty remnant have takenover. Yes, they have wait,
which I guess again like it.It makes me wonder if this is a
direct continuation. I mean, obviouslynot, because in the previous time that
Kevin wasn't a national assassin, heassassinated Senator Patty Levin, so unless she
made a recovery and decide to stoprunning for president. But it seems like

(29:00):
whatever political party that was affiliated withthe gr last time Kevin was there,
he is now the head of it, and he is speaking about I guess
in this new world where Kevin's theleader of the free world, they all
sort of exist under the GRS temperament. There's no family, there's no religion,
and people seem relatively happy, atleast more full of gusto than the
gr that we've seen of the pastactually do. Maybe it's for all those

(29:22):
people that have like really annoying andtrying families, it's like it's a lot
easier just not to have one.I'm not I'm not saying that for personal
experience. I'm just I think you'reI think you're It's sounded pretty I took
it personal. That's okay. Um, But the the first um um moments

(29:45):
where it kind of said that thisall this didn't really matter was when Grace's
kids seem to not even care orknow where the shoes were, um,
which I kind of set the tonefor how this is if you die,
do you care what your where yourshoes? But I think it's I think
it's just it. Yeah. Andhere another thing about this scene as well.
I mean maybe I feel like maybeit was just me like looking too

(30:10):
much into things, but were weall like thinking ahead of Kevin two steps
this entire scene like he's giving aspeech. He's got to be the president,
by the way, not really goodprompter reading skills on Kevin's part.
The point is that it's not supposedto come off like you're reading the que
cards. But then you know,when he starts talking about this essay contest
with a kid, my mind jumpedto Grace's kids and it turned out to

(30:33):
be the case. And maybe maybeI'm not in Kevin's situation where he had
a lot to deal with all atonce, but it seemed pretty telegraphed once
we jumped into that scene that thisis where we would be yea um,
but you know, it's it's onething we're we're sitting here in Monday morning
of evening quarterbacking it. Um,you know, Kevin's there, He's you
know, now put He's not justimmediately become the president of the United States

(30:56):
of America. So it's it's it'stougher, you know, it's hard to
put ourselves in the shoes. Hewanted the job. So but again,
this is where my theory is thatwhatever it's, the afterlife is whatever,
or maybe it's just just to whateverthat person who's dead needs are or Kevin

(31:18):
it really is the most powerful manin the world. It's not just in
reference him being the president, andthat when he goes wherever his mind will
take it is how the this worldor universe then kind of shapes itself around
it. Because it compared to thelast time he was there, it seems
completely different. The souls that werethere are still there somewhat, but um,

(31:41):
it's a completely different scenario than thelast time we were there. And
I wonder if, yeah, youknow, we finally find out what what
uh what? David whispered to Kevinwhen he was on the bridge going to
Miracle to throw a page down thewell the very first time he was there,
that the Scarlett Johanson Bill Murray esquelaws. In translation, mystery has

(32:02):
been solved in this case, ithas not let be. But I do
wonder if what you were saying Jayis true in that he really is the
most powerful man in the world thathim and seemingly maybe David sort of have
these powers. Like you said,I'm assuming that not every person who comes
into this purgatorial realm is able toshape their own will and you know,

(32:24):
mold the world to their liking.You'd have to assume that they're just sort
of filling space. So maybe Kevinreally does have this holier than Thou a
type of power in this realm forsome reason. Maybe his medicalorians are off
the charts an entirely store. Butit's really interesting that it seems like,

(32:44):
like you said, every time he'shere, it's bent to his will.
He's not a participant in someone else'snarrative. It's all his narrative all the
time. Yeah. Well, maybealso too. In order to get to
Christopher Sunday, he's now the PrimeMinister of Australia, I mean, you
have to be somewhat important to getto that high level, right, So
President United States should be able togo in without just one facial scan should

(33:07):
be the whole thing. But then, um, but I think it is.
I think it has directly. Ithink he's shaping it. It's it's
it's similar to um inception, whereit's kind of a blank canvas and the
architect that's there is the one thatkind of builds out, um what it

(33:29):
is. So uh, that's that'show I see it. I think you
go a lot of different ways withit, but that's that's how I'm kind
of viewing it, just based onhow it's played out so far. And
that's a good comparison as well,because we also don't know what amount of
time has passed in our world ascompared to the amount of time that passes
in the alternate realm. I meanback and see the end of season two

(33:50):
when Kevin gets shot. We don'tknow how long he was on the floor
of that of the you know,the the community center. H grants you
only spend a short amount of timesinging hotel karaoke, but it seemed like
some amount of time passed in thereal world as well. So I have
no idea if it's a direct onefor one comparison in terms of time or
much like inception. You know,time is compounded in a different world the

(34:14):
deeper you go. Yep, adream within a dream and afterlife within an
afterlife. So this rally gets brokenup by Ev, who shows up almost
the inverse of what in the afterlife. What happened to her is that her
family was killed by the Guilty Remnantand an airstrike and she is the only

(34:38):
survivor, but she's still a protestsare still an activist through and through.
They they take Kevin away, buthe still wants to talk to Ev.
He's got to check another person offhis list, so they are in the
limousine together. Kevin says, youknow, I'm not the president. She
says yes, so he thinks thatshe knows or she's in in on what's

(35:00):
going on, so he kind ofuh does it fulfills his mission for John
and tells that your family loved you. Um and uh. She quickly says
the other dead. Um. Yes, you're not the president, You're just
a figurehead, etcetera, etcetera,And again Kevin's just what he's setting out
to do is kind of being thrownin his face a bit, which,

(35:23):
again this is kind of knocking thenarrative that we thought was going on this
season off its tracks and rumbling towardswhere it ends up going to at the
end of the episode. And anotherthrowback to season one, Evie protest the
speech by singing level keep Us Together, which I don't know if you guys

(35:44):
remember back in Matt's first episode,I believe there was a montage set to
level keep Us Together, of Matt'ssort of day to day routine. Yes,
that's correct, that's correct, Um, Because wasn't Mary's favorite song or
something like that. I can't rememberbecause I remember there. You know,
there's a reason was the song inthe second season, which was Matt's montage.

(36:05):
So Matt, this is the onlyseason where Matt hasn't gone named montage
to a fun oldies tune. There'sa one episode left, one last chance,
one last chance. Um. Andthen he starts coughing up water um
and uh, seemingly drowning even thoughhe's not in water. Um. And

(36:25):
then he wakes up in the realworld or is brought back to life in
the real world. Uh, thestorm is in full effect. The whole
ranch is flooded. Um. Youknow the flood is coming um. And
Uh, you know, he tellsJohn he's he seems hypothermic. Um.
He tells John that he you know, he told ev Um, he told

(36:50):
Grace the kids didn't know where theshoes were. Um. But he did
not talk to Christen yet, sohe did not get the song. Um.
So even though it seems like andand Kevin Senior seemed upset by that,
yeah, because this, uh itseems like John and and Michael don't
want to do this anymore, KevinSenior is still, well, yes,
did you get this song? Hegoes, I was working on it.

(37:12):
Um, and uh, yeah,Kevin Kevin Senior wants to, you know,
go ahead and kill him again.Yeah, and that And that's sort
of the main difference between this andthe International Assassin episode is that, you
know, if we're comparing to whatKevin undergoes to get there. International Assassin,
we were held under water for anentire hour long there was no room
to really put your head above water. But here we're following Kevin and his

(37:36):
footsteps literally in that there are afew moments when we sort of peek our
head above water and get some breathingroom and are able to sort of figure
out like Okay, what the heckjust happened. We're back in this real
world. Now we dip our headback under and go back into the world,
which I actually kind of like itwas good to sort of just get
our glimpses to sort of remember thecontextualization of everything and the stakes of everything,
especially you know, Senior is goingto say, even though it ends

(37:59):
up not being correct, that like, you know, the fate of the
world depends on it, and that'swhat you need to realize him. It's
all the craziness that's happening is Kevinhas a mission, and this is why
he needs to succeed in his mission. Now, could you could you hold
a loved one underwater? Because rememberKevin friends on the loved one's true Kevin.
But Kevin said, you know,Kevin Junior said to Kevin Senior,

(38:22):
his dad said, you gotta You'regonna have to hold me, and you
can see his face was like,ah, I am gonna have to hold
you, yeah, because I thinkI think the body also, you know,
the thing about drowning is that thebody is like struggling for air and
the body will really do anything.I think when you're drowning, there's a
point where like you'll go unconscious andif you're able to like find a means
for yourself, you will be ableto find air at the end of the

(38:45):
day. So that's why Kevin hasto like time himself to the teeter totter
as an example so that he can'tescape. But he also had a rock
weighing him down too, so thatyeah, so essentially his dad is his
rock here in more ways than holdme down dad. And and you know,
people criticize the Kevin Senior episode,Um, but it shows or that

(39:07):
enshrowing his mind and where he is, shows how he is able to u
drown his own son because he's thathe has that firmaile belief this is what
he has to do. And Ican't and I can't remember if it's in
that episode or the first episode whenthey talk about the Abraham Isaac story about
that, like you know, Isaacwas thirty years old, he wasn't just

(39:30):
a boy, and so maybe thatwas again little signals firing and Kevin Senior's
head of like, oh yeah,I can, I'm I'm being this is
my story. I'm the one thatby sacrificing my son. Yeah. Um,
I'm doing the dirty word. Sohe goes back, um and uh
he uh they need to they wantto go to def Con one one,

(39:54):
which it was US like, Oh, I thought it went up instead of
down. The I more intense.I remember war games correctly. I thought
they were correct. I knew Iknew it from war games too, Jack.
There you go. Well, Ifeel like I learned a lot about
a nuclear holocaust situation. Um,but not to get all of my information
from it? Have you never?Have you never watched war games? I

(40:15):
have? But I don't remember thedeaf cons. I remember deaf cons.
I don't remember the numbers. Well, I think things have gotten a little
muddled because remember in the early twothousands, we had the color coding system
instead of the depth cons, whichthat would get more intense as opposed to
getting shorter and number because red isthe worst, right, m It goes
red, orange, yellows like cool. It's that it's never green, but

(40:38):
it's always yellow. Yeah. Um. But there he's basically going to a
bunker because is that the Russians aregonna nuke? Uh the US? Um?
And he gets to the kind ofsecurity check in portion scanning his face

(41:01):
um and Uh, he then hasto scan his member now it did.
This is obviously a call out tothe fans out there because it's in season
one where he's running around in sweatpants. Uh that. Uh yeah, the
joke was, I think it's justsome Thorow as a gifted individual on many

(41:23):
different levels. Just not great act, not just a great writer, but
uh, you know, gifted inother ways. Um, so a fun
I think a fun call out toit. I said to myself, like
Colle and I both said to ourselves, I hope there's like a thud or
like a thumb. Yeah. Ido like how the other the wrong Kevin

(41:45):
was kind of looking and then KevinKevin looked at him like dude. Really.
Also, I also like how theydesigned to scan the member because they're
like, oh, you know,people with the right resource again can totally
get plastic surgery done on their face. Why would you not think that you
can also get equally for the sameamount, the same amount done on the

(42:05):
junk as well. The intel probablyis an out that they'd be doing,
you know, genital scans as well, but it's it's something that can easily
be fixed too. It's something youmay not think about But now, if
you're gonna do something, it's notjust you have to do everybody part.
You know, everything has to beWait for the face off sequel, that'd
be the porn version wouldn't but hthe technology is just not there yet.

(42:30):
It can sequel. They might lookalike. So maybe there there we go.
Well, speaking of technology, doyou like the sort of questions that
were posed to him that you getwhen you forget your Amazon password? Um?
And again another essence of him kindof projecting this world, who's your
secretary of defense? And he saysPatty? And Patty shows up and she

(42:53):
even says, you brought me here. I was gone, You've already moved
passes and you brought me back here. You helped me. I'm going to
help you. Um, but uhdo you want to help That's the last
person I'm gonna call. But um. So it's funny that he would project
that he needs to do a penisscan, um if if he is creating

(43:13):
this world, Yeah, except ohand you need to put my penis out
and you have to take a lookat it. Oh man, it was
it was a funny scene. Ithink everyone had a good laugh with that.
That being said, if if Kevin'swriting a romance novel, if he's
really thinking about that scene where hehas to scan his penis, God only

(43:36):
knows what's going to exist in thatromance novel too. It's true. Oh
man, Fabia on the cover ofthat romance novel. I know it's you
know, it's Kevin. That's true. That's true, Kevin with Fabio's hair.
It's Kevin and a female Kevin kissingeach other. Captain Kevin Carvey hit

(43:59):
the sevens. I'd buy that book. And then there's gonna be another universe
where Kevin is like this best sellingromance off that's in the epilogue. Yeah,
exactly, that's that's hippologue. It'slike a Barnes and Noble where Kevin
Carvey is is selling copies up,you know, in the Time of the

(44:21):
Merciful or whatever. The name ofhis book is gonna be oh man um
uh so yeah, basically um uhPatty wants to uh end it all um
and that's that's her ruse here umand uh we have a special uh was

(44:45):
it? The Vice president shows upand I thought this was gonna be Um,
I totally gonna be I thought wasgonna be Laurie also, Yeah,
and one of surprise. I meanI think we were sort of we've seen
Evy obviously a few times in thisseason, and whether real or otherwise,
but you know, even though wekeep seeing liv Tyler's name in the credits,
I think we're all sort of wonderingwhen is Meg going to come back,

(45:07):
if at all. I was totallysurprised to see her here and sporting
a new haircut. Yeah, Iwas also shocked. I didn't think it
was going to be her. AndI think it's also goes back to what
you said earlier Jack about looking atthe actor's side of this and that liv
Tyler is playing a totally different personality. I think, yeah, that egg
And it's so interesting because I feellike in the real world, Patty's plan

(45:29):
would be something like Meg would concoct. But for some reason, in this
world, Meg is totally like theShe's definitely hard hitting, and I think
she's very firm, especially when she, you know, talks to Kevin about
what needs to be done. Butat the same time, she's not nearly
as diabolical as she was before sheended up dying, right yep. But

(45:49):
is it because in the after life, she has found love. But I
mean, I mean, what didn'tshe get driven away from love to begin
with to go to join the grYeah exactly, and and maybe now in
the afterlife she's found love with noneother than God himself. Um. So,
uh, you know she's she's ashe's a changed woman. Yeah,

(46:15):
just a just a just a thought, just a guess. Um. So
Patty wants to end it all umor mind you know, the ultimate reminder.
Everybody wants to end it anyway,So let's just blow it all up.
Um. But Meg says, well, you know we have to was
it the Fisher contingency or something likethat. It's your protocol, it's your

(46:37):
protocol. Now is that a carto our own Ethan Fisher? Yes,
that's why everybody hated it. Justkidding a love that was that was Mike
that said that Ethan. Oh,but there is a key behind the fourth

(46:57):
a order or whatever, and theyhave to kill this guy essentially, and
uh, that's I'm not doing that. And it is actually Kevin's twin brother,
who is Kevin Harvey the international assassinwho was who was also blessed.
Yes, if we find out lateron identical penises. I think he was
able to make it through the scanoh man. Um. Uh not.

(47:24):
So Kevin decides to jump back intohis Harvey self by taking Patty's glasses,
which is a funny scene. Um. And uh, you know, God
guides him to face him off.Um. And so what's what's David Burton's
skin in the game in this situation? Like, is he really driving him

(47:45):
or is this again just Kevin's consciousnessjust kind of driving him to this point?
Could be I don't know. Well, I'd like to think that David
Burton for some reason, what's whateversort of omniscience he might have. He's
the only other person besides Kevin whoknows what's going on, knows the meta

(48:06):
aspects of everything, and is sortof guiding Kevin through. He has been
the metaphoric earpiece in Kevin's ear thepast couple times. Now he is the
literal earpiece. But I think againKevin shows how he's on a different mission
this time, or he literally throwsthe earpiece away and says, I don't
need your guidance this time. I'mstriking out on my own. Yeah right.

(48:27):
Uh. So he goes in matchesthe penis um and takes out people.
UM, takes out Meg Vegas becausehe just wanted to. Um.
I maybe he's never a big fanof mag Uh and uh, well she
did um rape his boy tom Tommy. That's true, that's true. Do

(48:50):
you think Tommy told them all aboutthat, all of his like dalliance with
the Guilty Remnant before he came toTexas. I think they've been hanging out
with the you know, they're bothon the same law enforcement teams, you
know, steakouts and stuff like that. What do you got to talk about?
I don't know. I don't know. I'm sure, I'm sure.
I'm just I'm just throwing adoptive thathe would have some reason to do it.
But it's thet who cares. Um, I don't know. UM.

(49:15):
So we then get to the kindof the climactic scene for Kevin UM where
there's this second kind of football casethat she opens up and it's the book
that he was writing. UM.He reads this poem UM and uh he
kind of, uh you know,decides that he does want it. He
does does want to blow it allup. UM. Basically to end running

(49:37):
away, to end coming back here. He wants to just be done with
it. Right, And there's noprobably greater way to say I don't want
to come back here than nuking allof existence. Uh. And it's and
it's interesting because we sort of sawbrief glimpses of this in the very beginning
of the season. When you seeKevin bagging it, you're wondering, like,
what exactly is he trying to do? It seems like, again he

(50:00):
tells Lorie last episode, I feltmost alive when I was dead. It
seems like he's really kind of beenchasing that high and it sort of led
to the detriment of his relationships.And so you know, he's essentially flushing
his stash down the toilet in away, and he's saying, you know,
I want to go cold turkey.I don't want any access to this.
But this scene, I mean,first of all, I have to

(50:20):
point out again Patti singing identical identicalKevin's was hysterical because Patty, at the
end of the day is still likea master troll, especially in the afterlife.
And I also loved Justin Thorrowe's performanceas the two Kevin's saying fu at
the same time everything I ever wanted. Um, Yeah, it was great.

(50:40):
It was great. Um, andso he decides to kill the international
Kevin Harvey assassin. Um, wellhe has to be killed. Yeah,
Um, And can I say itwas it was kind of a gruesome scene.
There was a lot of blood.It was really Yeah. I very
handily kept my hand like covering thebottom half of the screen because I still
wanted to see if anything interesting washappening. But people follow me on podcasts,

(51:05):
you know that I'm very turned awayby any sort of visceral, gross
body horror stuff. And having oneperson dig their full hand into another person's
body cavity was a bit of alimit. We were reaching a limit for
me. And and the blood squirtingall over the white suit. Yeah yeah,
Memorial Day red red white, andKevin was feeling pretty blue after this

(51:29):
whole experience. H yeah, Iget it. From a symbolical standpoint.
I just showing that emotional therapy thathe's going through, like literally digging into
his own heart. Um, sayingthat he fed up with Nora literally you

(51:52):
know, breaking his heart to endthis and to try and go back and
and right what's wrong? Um,So he gets and what did you what
did you guys think about the BeachBoys. God only knows choice? Did
you enjoy it was a little toolike it? I liked it because again,

(52:12):
it was music I had heard before. Um. I mean it's it's
arguably one of the greatest songs,are popular songs of all time. I
would I think it could be arguedum uh from a critical perspective. But
has it been on the show before? I don't believe so. I know
that we we we repeated love willkeep us together, But I can't remember

(52:35):
if God only knows have been doneon the show previously. It's been on
another show that I've watched, andI was it was driving me crazy all
last night. But anyway, umso, I think it's appropriate in the
context of where heaven is and wherehe wants to go from this point.
Um. But again, it's it'sThis show has done a pretty good job
of kind of having this the musicthat music that is playing kind of counter

(52:59):
with this scene is even even withplaying the season one theme on top of
the season two titles. Um,it was it was jarring uh and seeming
like a weird tonal shift. Umand this was in the same vein as
that. Um so they turned thekey Patty and him go up to the
top and see all of these nukesjust flying through the sky and then to

(53:22):
white and another great uh matching momentwhere Patty offers her hand and Kevin takes
it. I believe the first timethat Kevin went to this place, I
think he offered little girl Patty hishand and she took it when they left
the hotel to go to the well. So again symbology moment there absolutely um.
And then he wakes up the inAustralia, the flood or the rain

(53:45):
has stopped. Um, so thefled did not happen. You have John
and Michael who are in the churchwith him, waiting over presumably what was
his dead body. Um. Andthen we have a Kevin Senior on the
roof, UM, kind of inshock everything that he's working on the room.
I wish the best line he couldhave said was I was wrong.

(54:07):
Um. But call out to anotherfamous guy. Kevin Junior goes up there
and I will say his son wasfairly gracious in that you know, all
this for nothing, because I thinkin all of it, I think Kevin
realizes, Um, whatever he wasgoing for wasn't the real thing he had,

(54:31):
wasn't it wasn't for the mission hewas on. It was for himself.
Yeah. The constant question throughout histime in that world was why are
you here? And I think Kevinwas sort of living in a state of
denial until he actually came to literallyface himself down and realize, Oh,
the reason why I'm here is becausenot only I want to help these people,

(54:52):
but I'm trying to escape, yerunning away from uh one of the
best thing has probably happened to him. But you gotta feel bad. You
got to feel bad for Kevin Seniorbecause you know, you've twice he's You've
you've held your son under water.He you know, and he's for a
mission that you wanted him to doand it turned out he didn't need to
do it. Ye. Um.Well, from Kevin Senior's standpoint, yeah,

(55:16):
exactly. From Kevin Junior's perspective,is essentially him going to therapy and
having a breakthrough because his therapist isa she's a little busy at the moment,
she's forty seven meters deep at thispoint, like Kevin Junior was able
to, you know, come tohis own senses here. So I guess
it wasn't all for not and hefeels a little bit better and that he

(55:37):
was able to discover something about himself. And you have this really fantastic song
at the end, the End ofthe World by Skeeter Davis, which I
think is essentially saying, you know, it's the end of the world because
you don't love me anymore. Andso it's a fun connection to both these
catastrophic claims that have been taking holdof the show's rains for the past few
episodes, and the idea that Kevinrealizes that his life's mission is essentially to

(55:58):
find Nora once again. Yeah right, um uh so a couple of things
here. Will he be able tofind Nora in time? I don't I
don't know, especially since she isit seems like from next time on she's
going to go through the machine.You'd have to get hop on that horse
and go real quick if he wantsto uh to find her. But the

(56:19):
show has also worked out in veryconvenient ways sometimes where maybe it could happen,
So I don't think it's necessarily outof the Roman possibilities. I'm gonna
say maybe a ten percent chance thatthey find each other. Ten percent chance,
what percents you give it? Jack, I'll give it eleven. Oh
okay, right right, son ofa bitch? Oh uh yeah. The

(56:43):
second thing, since we did notsee Lourie in this afterlife, can we
say that she's possibly still alive?Mmmm? I don't know, because didn't
it wasn't the argument that you've madeduring the hotel you know, perma death
verse, was that some people weren'tthere because they had moved on peacefully.

(57:05):
That there's this idea that maybe somepeople have unfinished business and that's why they
sort of hang out in that realm. And maybe Laurie we talked the entire
last episode about how she sort ofsaid her goodbyes and felt content with you
know, how the world works.So maybe she didn't need to go through
that intermediary process. She sort ofskipped the step to whatever lies beyond.
Possibly. I think I think she'sgone. Okay, all right? Um

(57:29):
and Chris Sunday, we didn't talkabout it, but he said, like,
again, your dad's an idiot.The song was about not stopping the
rain, it's about bringing the rain. Um. I just thought that was
a really poignant moment of you know, and they kept saying the whole time,
it's like your Dad's crazy. Butif I say he's crazy, this
whole thing is crazy. So uman interesting uh, you know, pivoting

(57:52):
moments in this season, I think, yeah, And it's interesting in that,
you know, I know we've beensaying that David and Kevin had been
the ones to know everything that's goingon. But does this hint towards the
fact that maybe Chris Sunday knows alittle bit as well, speaking towards his
you know, his mysticism. Hewas one of the original Aboriginals that Senior
sought after to get part of thesong. Maybe because of that he also

(58:15):
knows a little bit about what's goingon too. Possibly, yeah, who
knows. Otherwise otherwise he pulled anevy and be like, I have no
idea what you're talking about. That'strue, that is true. Yeah,
because yeah, he didn't. Itwasn't like a yeah he didn't know he's
going He knew and was able toreference m Kevin Senior. So good call,
good call. Anyways, Final thoughtshere, second to last episode of

(58:38):
the entire series, one episode togo, M how do you guys feel?
I'm feeling good? I'm feel feelinggood. I mean, I mean,
I think the final episodes of thefinal words of the episode being now,
what I think is very indicative becausewe've had this entire season from a

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variety of care is build up tothis day, the seventh anniversary, and
it happened, and everything seems relativelyfine for now. So I guess the
big questions are, you know,is there something else that happens on the
seventh anniversary that we didn't even thinkabout besides the flood? Or is it
just going to sort of harmlessly passby it we have to deal with other
circumstances from other days. I'm notentirely sure, but we also have this

(59:20):
big looming spectrum above our heads.From the very first episode of the season,
the very last scene showed this olderNora. Jack attributed it to some
sort of nuclear disaster. It didnot seem to be the case, at
least in this realm. How arewe going to get there? I think
that's the one major thing that we'resort of orienting our predictions towards, because
otherwise it's pretty open territory. Istill say that, I still say that's

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the final scene of the series,the nuclear Hawk, like another nuclear hawk,
No, no, whatever, whatever, Nora whatever, the reason Nora
is there, wherever she's at.We'll find out what was going on.
That's the final scene, or we'llfollow up that scene. I think I
don't think that'll be the final scing. I think maybe it'll show that and
then continue be out that that willbe the final scene, all right,

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and I will it will all makesense because we'll see this in the final
episode. What happened to make thatscene? I mean, there was no
reason to show it if they weren'tgoing to do something special with it.
That's that's going to be the finalscene. Jack, to give vengeance to
Mike for you prices writing him.I'm gonna say this scene. We will

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see beyond that scene. Uh,we'll kind of will lead up to it,
and we'll see what happens beyond,which might be her writing her bike
back to what percentage are you confidentabout? What all I have to do
is just we just have to seeeven like two seconds after that scene,
and I'm right, are you?Are you one hundred percent confident? Seventy
percent confident? I undercent comment?Listen, I have the better stakes here.

(01:00:50):
I only that I'm confident. Uhi, screw you, Jack, we
booked the ends. I just thinkthat's gonna be the final scene. All
right, We'll have to wait andsee. We'll have to wait and see.
Um. All right, well that'swhat we thought. Let's jump into

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some listener feedback. Guys, whatdo you think? What do you say?
Do it? Do it? Here? We go listen. All right,
it's listener feedback time. Got someemails to get into here. This
first one up is from Adam.Hey, guys, a long time listener
and I think first time emailer.I'm saying this after us since your episode

(01:01:35):
six podcasts and before seven airs.I have a theory that's been growing a
little bit for a few episodes.I think The Leftover is going to end
similar to how Lost ended. Everyonetogether in the other place. I mean
everyone, all the departed, allthe main characters except Norah. The machine
for it every reason didn't work onNora. Maybe a Fargo tie in.
Kidding, but now Kevin, Laurie, Matt after dying of cancer, and

(01:01:59):
even Norris children and husband will bethere, John and Evie, probably Patty
and Meg two. Kevin's sending messagesto future Nora, trying to tell her
that everyone's here and she should cometo Eventually she finds a way there,
and ending will be everyone reuniting,just like the in a season two but
in the other place say I'll findtheir peace and move on. Kevin is
the constant that is able to movebetween places. Eventually, everyone that can't

(01:02:21):
continue in this world moves onto thenext world. Jill and Tommy are happy
and at peace now so they cancontinue living their lives, but everyone else
who is struggling to find meaning willmove on together. Nora is the jack
of the finale in the sense thateveryone's waiting for her to come and join
in them. Thoughts great podcasts,you keep it up. Can't wait for
West World's season deuce, neither canwe. So yeah, it's interesting theory.

(01:02:49):
Other than I just I don't seehow they could just basically do the
same ending as Lost. I don'tknow how Damon can get it away with
it. And also is Adam defindingthe other place as the place that just
got new or is there is hethingabout like there's another place that this afterlife
existed in assuming if you go throughthe machine, that's where you go to.
In fairness to Addam on this one, this is before episode seven airs,

(01:03:10):
so he didn't know that it gottotally new unfortunate timing. Yeah,
well, again, like I think, like Jay said, I like the
theory, but I don't think thatLinda Lock goes that direction well, especially
considering the amount of crap that raineddown on him that caused him to leave
social media because of that ending.Do you really think he would want to
repeat it all over again? Well, there is a certain sense of like,

(01:03:35):
knowing Damon and his his way,that it would almost be like the
biggest middle finger he could do,just do that. But I again,
I don't, I don't, Idon't see I don't see that happening.
I still still I still say thatthe we could see that the people that
departed are the people we've been watchingthe whole time. I'll stick with that

(01:03:55):
until I'm proven wrong. Um,all right, It's next email is from
Brett's. Well, I just finishedwatching episode seven, and I have to
say this season has been as perfectas TV can get. The writing,
acting, music and overall story ourspectacular. I have full faith that they're
going to be able to nail thelanding with the finale. I've enjoyed the
music in each episodes until last season. I wasn't really familiar with Verdi's nabuco

(01:04:21):
U. The Seattle Opera is performingat this summer, and I'm looking forward
to seeing it. What have youthree thought of the music selections this season.
I have really enjoyed listening to Jay, Jack and Mike discussing each week's
episode. Brett ps. I checkedwith my bank and they said biometric penis
scanning was coming to my accounts.Soon I started. I started to get

(01:04:42):
upset, then realized it was nobig deal. I think you might need
to get a new bank, Brett. That does not sound like a bank.
It's a different kind of there's mymy bank tellers that a homeless guy
in the alley that I passed onthe way to work could be a sperm
bank, or I wish at Mike'spoint, it could just be homeless guy
in the corner, a guy witha guy with a cardboard box. There

(01:05:05):
you go, Yake, except that'shis bank. But yeah, I think
that I don't know if we're payingnecessarily more attention to the music this season
than last season. I mean,I'm obviously paying more attention because this is
the first season that I'm covering itwith you guys. But I do feel
like there is some very significant music. I think it benefits from the fact

(01:05:27):
that, like you said at thebeginning of the podcast, Jay, every
week seemed to have a different openingcredits song, which I think obviously has
its own significance, and you havethings like the Wu Tang song. There
are a couple of songs this episodethough we've we've brought up instances in this
podcast for music has been highly significant. Maybe it's just because we're seeing or
hearing so much of it this seasonin particular, that's why we're talking more

(01:05:47):
about it overall. Also too,with the different opening you know, credit
theme songs, I paid I watchit, whereas if it's just the same
thing I would scan, I wouldfast forward or through it and get to
the start of the episode. Itdoes seem in season three that they've had
more fun with the music selections.M Yeah, I believe. Um I

(01:06:10):
leave up Prox actually just gave aninterview with the music supervisor on the show,
just because I mean, the musicchoices are always on point, But
I feel like what Bread is alludingto is that they've they've chosen even better
or more so, or more songs. I should say this season, which
calls the attention to it. Yeah, for sure, um and again just

(01:06:30):
in in good contrasting ways where they'restill like on point for what's happening in
this story, but also really makeyou pay attention to them, like it
is almost in your face, youknow, with the Wu Tang clan or
last week with the one hundred suicideby grave diggers. Um, and then
you had Aja's take on me blastingwhile you know, the Nora and um

(01:06:56):
Kevin's relationship implodes in the hotel room. So yeah, it's it's definitely it's
been really good selections this season,but also very like I don't want to
say in your face, but verymuch to the forefront of the scenes that
we've seen. Can we also sayhe said, what a great season of
television this has been for the Leftovers? Can we say I'm almost one episode

(01:07:16):
away from being wrong that they wereright for having a third season. So
I honestly thought there was no way. I mean, I don't think they've
topped season two. Yeah, butbut it has. They haven't embarrassed themselves.
I mean, it's been great television. I was gonna say it still
goes two three, one, forme, just because I've been really enjoying
season three, I think we've enjoyedsome of the more polarizing episodes, like

(01:07:36):
the Kevin Senior episode, than someof our listeners out there. I do
still feel like, unlike season two, maybe because we don't have as many
episodes, we have given short shriftto characters like Tommy and Jill, who
I think we all kind of wantto say goodbye to or sort of have
their own moment where they're able tobid a du much like Matt, much
like Ludlauri, And it seems likewe're deprived of that. So that's the

(01:07:57):
only deterrent for me is that ina show that really has such amazing performances
and such a fantastic ensemble, unfortunatelyin this season, due to a limited
number of minutes that you have perepisode, you just can't get some of
those ensemble members in the forefront.I would agree with that. I feel
this season's been really good. Ithink it's UH and it's rat, it's
coming towards a good conclusion. ButI season two I think was more uh

(01:08:25):
to me, more uh or probablymy favorite if I had to pick that
out of the three UM definitely bemy favorite. It's it's it's got an
Empire strikes back kind of thing goingon in terms of being the middle of
the story. Um, but anywho, Uh, this next email is
from fit seat. Now I willsay it's just a forwarded email that uh

(01:08:46):
he also sent to the post showrecaps leftovers show. I feel like we're
getting they're leftovers, so we we'restep on your jokes. Thanks. It
wasn't very good anyway, so it'salready been rend it's already been they actually

(01:09:08):
they do. They do a feedbackshow later on the week, so technically
so it's us email all right,so they get our slappy seconds. That's
perfect. So I love this emailalready. Um number one, did the
unless you have an identical twin brother, which is ridiculous line serve as a
second purpose which was to kill mytheory about David Burton having a twin and

(01:09:30):
the real David Burton being dead afterthe hiking accident and its twin being killed
by the line to episodes or doesthe fact that Kevin does have a twin
this episode add fuel to my theory? David Burton does admit to being a
fraud thoughts, So yeah, Ibelieve that Brendan's theory back during Matt's episode
was you know, David Burton tellsthis theory to Matt about how he believes

(01:09:53):
that Jesus didn't really resurrect, thatthere was a twin brother of Jesus who
came out from behind the cave.Any figures that maybe David Byrne was undergoing
the same thing that he also didnot come back to life, and maybe
the same thing is happening with Kevinas well. I mean, if this
becomes a bunch of clones, we'relooking into like the Fifth Day here of
just clones on clones on clones ontwins, that would be way too convoluted

(01:10:15):
for me. Yeah, yeah,I agree, but could happen because then
it just it becomes just a crutchor riding Crutcher was like, Oh,
that's a twin. That's a twin. We can explain it all because they're
all twins. Would you say lazyriding Jay, No, I just think
it's it would almost just be itwould lose meaning and wait to what they're

(01:10:41):
doing. So a second part,I thought I'd want to see Lorie in
this episode, but I was actuallyrelieved and really happy that we didn't take
that turn because it would have addedweight to this episode and that episode didn't
need it. I would agree.I like the possibility that Lorie's still alive,
is out there, or there's anydifferent theories you could take with that.

(01:11:01):
Yeah, and I think as well, it would sort of like Lorie,
I'm totally fine with I think Italked about this last week. I'm
totally fine not seeing Lorie for therest of the show because I feel like
Lorie got her send off. Yeah, you know why. I feel like
you need to bring her back foran encore when she already played the last
song and she's already left a goodimpression. I feel like, sort of
what like what FITZI is talking about, I feel like that would bring a
different meaning to everything that's going on. It might deter Kevin, it might

(01:11:25):
distract him from whatever's going on withhim, when it very much should be
about Kevin. So I'm totally finewithout seeing Lorie here. I think I
agree with you because they can't topit exactly the way it played out,
it was like it was emotional,it was it was it was so well
done that how why why bring herback and go, Okay, we're gonna
take everything that we did so perfectlyand try and you can't top it,

(01:11:48):
So why do it? Yeah?Um number three? So Kevin made this
place so you could find everyone atthe end. Sorry, how to do
it? Another loss? Four.As much as I love this episode,
I'm really struggling to figure out howwe track from where this episode ended to
where we are in that flash forwardwith Sarah Durst. On the other hand,

(01:12:11):
I'm happy to let the mystery beand see where the show takes me
because I'm excited to be surprised.And five music RDI for up Rocks and
Alan Sippinwall amazing discuss I think we'retalking about that earlier might correct maybe fit
see maybe there's a twin of Norahcalled Sarah Durst. Maybe you're right the
whole time? Man oh Man,thanks everything, friends, fitzee, all

(01:12:38):
right, this next email is fromsomebody that may or may not be a
part of the Fisher contingency Ethan.Hi, guys, I love this episode.
All cute up for next week.The only thing I may have called
this season and not even here justat home, the opening crisis, would
be at some point the first seasonmusic so I hope we will get the

(01:12:59):
less let the mystery be next week. I agree like when it was this
one, I was like, Ihope the last episode is of the mystery,
because I feel like that would beappropriate for the last episode. But
we'll see. Really disgusted by theselfishness of the apostles here, especially Grace
and Senior. The conversation between Juniorand Senior between the hotel trips in the
bathroom, taken alone, is avery sad portrait of two very disturbed people.

(01:13:23):
Very happy to see Kevin and Pattyverbally sparring one of my favorite parts
of the show, so it wasexciting to have it here. The less
said about Meg and Conway the betterline of the show unless you have an
itentical identical twin brother, which wouldbe ridiculous. I am sure Kevin Senior
went through absolutely health think he killedhis son. I just wish it showed

(01:13:45):
a little more when Kevin woke up. The last shot of the episode in
the hotel and rhind me a lotof the end of the incident in season
five of Ross Fate to White andthe last shot of Fight Club quer is
my mind. What struck me isthat the questions we had for almost seven
episodes had been almost entirely thrown outthe window. We are along for the

(01:14:06):
ride at this point. I guessthe main thing is that it wasn't expecting
what I saw, and I haveabsolutely no clue about next week, and
that's why I love the show.Also, just to point out that I'm
the guy who said the machine wouldhave no significance going into the finale,
so my average of zero correct predictionsremains attact. Yay me, you still
could be right, see you guys, sniff next week. Ethan the protocol

(01:14:31):
Fisher. Oh wait, I didI say he could be right? Ps?
No chance. PS After next week, I'll make sure I'll get all
my Scooba gear using the change JackAmazon portal. Perfect. I mean I
agree with a lot of what Ethansaid. I mean, we start talking

(01:14:53):
about it at the end of thisepisode that I think a lot of our
questions have been thrown out the window. We've been building to this big cataclysmic
event that ended up sorde of nothappening. And I agree with him that
the Patty Kevin dynamic was one ofthe best parts. Having An owed in
there for the majority of the Seamswho was fantastic, and so we were
lacking a little bit, so itwas good to like see it come back
for I'll be at one episode thisseason, so I was very happy to

(01:15:15):
see Patty back for a myriad ofreasons. Agreed, agreed, and Ethan,
don't don't despair. There will bethere will be more TV in the
fall, and we got Game ofThrones during the summer, so it's gonna
be fine. It's gonna be okay. I know, did you guys see
that teaser yet? Yeah, it'sgonna be awesome. So Ethan, you
can ride into the Game of Thronesto be wrong all the time. Um,

(01:15:40):
all right, last email here fromJamie. Hey, guys, what
a weird episode. The most powerfulman in the world is back with his
most powerful adversary. It was greatto see Patty again and it was great
to see the return of the mostamazing suit, such a great suit.
Apparently in the other place, dogkillers, real killers, best bombers and
bossy chain smokers can really move upin the world. Oh wait, she

(01:16:05):
didn't blow up the bus. Nono, no, she just intimated to
pretend. She just you know,traumatized a bunch of children. Yeah,
exactly, but you can't call hera bus blower up or if she didn't
do it, I mean just psyke. Um. I love that. In
season two's episode seven, Patty wasblocking the key to Kevin's handcuffs, which

(01:16:25):
let him down the path to drinkingpoison and entering the Other Place. And
in this season's episode seven, Pattywas wearing one of the keys in order
to destroy the Other Place. Thereis so much to talk about, but
I'll end this with my favorite moment, the duel Kevin f you across the
table. Yeah, that was great. That was great, man, that
was a laugh out loud moment.Man, I'm gonna miss this show.

(01:16:46):
It's brilliant Jamie. Um. Yeah, I mean, can we say justin
the row, he's his f usare magical, magical, he's good at
he's good at at the f usum. But if there was an if there
was an Emmy for f you,we didn't. We didn't. We're never
gonna get another f you, Laurie. So, um, you don't know

(01:17:09):
that that's true. You don't knowthat. Um. Well, thank you
everybody for your feedback. One episodeof Leftovers left to go currently seeing it
will do a predictions podcast, butmore to come on that. Um.
But at the very least you willhave Jay, Jack and Mike here with

(01:17:29):
you after the finale UM next week, so that should be fun. Last
episode ever ever, I can't believethat, which is crazy. I'm gonna
mess this show. Jack, thisis your last chance to give a crackpot
theory. UM. And before werecorded, you said that you had possibly
the best one you've ever come upwith. I did, I did say

(01:17:51):
that, but I did, Ididn't say that, But that's okay,
So here it is, jackon Butafter being after being right this week with
the you know, the one ofthe world's being destroyed by nuclear you didn't
say one of the worlds if yougo back to chick taps, one of
the world would be destroyed by Yeah, after the I what I said at

(01:18:12):
the beginning of this episode before werecorded, to tell the truth, I
said, after this episode, Ihave no frigging idea what's going on?
Just guess where do you think it'sgoing. I'm gonna say that that Kevin
is going to die and not comeback. Okay, why why not?
I don't know. I just uh, I don't know. I have no
idea. It's why I still saythat. Or Matt could kill Kevin to

(01:18:36):
keep him out of the machine.And if that's I don't know. I
really don't know what's going on.That's my theory, and yeah, sure
I'm sticking with it. I havenothing. Give me your hot take,
Mike, I don't I literally don'tknow what's gonna happen. All right,
Mike, you got a hot takefor us. I don't know. My
hot tag builds off of your crackpop theories. If you're giving me something
cold, I'm gonna have to overcompensate. Okay, here's a hot take.

(01:19:01):
Uh. I think Kevin Senior willnot survive to the end of the episode.
I think that now that he hassort of lost his purpose. I
think he was building himself up asthe big savior when it turned out not
to be the case. I don'tknow if he necessarily has a reason to
live anymore because he listened to thevoices and look where it got him.
So we're gonna see. Yeah,maybe it might be scuba time for Kevin

(01:19:24):
Senior, or maybe he gets involved. I mean, he is also a
pretty old man as well. Maybeyou know, the exhaustion finally catches up
to him. I'm not entirely sure, but I guess that that'll be my
hot take to compensate slight. Ilike that, but I'm like, I
like you because because he does,he's you can see at the end he
was he was defeated. Yeah,but also you put your son through what

(01:19:45):
you've put your son through, alsothrough death for something for something that Yeah,
for something that didn't need to bedone, even though it did help
Kevin out. So we'll just haveto wait and see what happens. Jay,
Jay, what's your week take?Um, I'm just a host of
the show. I'm not not youshould get you should give something. Let's

(01:20:12):
see what what? What do Ithink's going to happen? I think that
there will be uh, you know, well, we'll go up to the
scene where we see Sarah durst Umsaying she doesn't know Kevin. She'll ride
her back bike back to wherever shelives with Kevin. It'll be an old
Kevin as well, and they're livingout their lives, happy, peaceful and
removed from the rest of the world. Does he does he have a gray

(01:20:35):
beard or does he not? Ithink it's I think it's a gray beard
and he is has picked up thehobby of taxidermy. Uh, well,
to be to be to be sureit's Kevin, do we have to go
for the identification? Uh? Maybemaybe there'll be some male neunity. Who
knows, who knows, Maybe it'llend on a high note. We just

(01:20:57):
we don't know for sure. Butthat is my hot take, basically contradicting,
Uh, you don't have a hotthat's Mike's Mike is hot. Take
your correct theory. What would bemine? Um? Week week weak sauce
weak sauces a week sauce of theweek. That's good. I'll take it.
That's good. A right, Um, So that will do it for

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thoughts, any final words here umto our podcast dais, I can't believe

(01:23:14):
we only have one week left.It's gonna be I'm gonna contemplate on everything
I love about the show over thenext seven days. I mean, I
won't forget about it after the timepasses. But I'm so excited to not
be prepared for what's about to happenin the next episode. Again, we
only have this one scene from thefuture to go off of, but otherwise
we have absolutely no idea what's coming. And that's what's made these past few

(01:23:35):
episodes so exciting, and that's what'sgonna make this next episode so exciting as
well. Do we go back tothat to eighteen hundreds Seventh Day Adventists timeline
at that? I mean we didn'tgo back to the cave during season two.
I think that's that Season three openerwas just a way to explain the

(01:23:55):
possible origins of the Guilty Remnant,or this idea of you know, what
it means to be someone who feelsleft behind in a way and how your
faith can sort of detract you fromeverything around you. So I don't feel
like they necessarily need to go toback to the well on that. It
seems like we moved on in somany ways from that, considering that I
forgot all about that. You mentionedit, so you go why I go
back to it? Agreed? Agreed? Maybe maybe I don't. Mike does

(01:24:17):
a podcast where he has to watcha movie that, uh, he's recommended
to watch. Maybe week after thedust settled, you guys will all watch
Bachelor Party and come and talk aboutit. Perfect. It sounds that sounds
great. Um, it's a it'sa movie'll at least laugh. I mean,
it's been a while since I've seenit, but it was Comedy Gold

(01:24:39):
thirty years ago. Speaking of podcaststhat Mike does, Mike does a billion,
including a Fargo podcast on the Jayand Jack Network with Jeremiah Panhorse.
How many episodes are left Fargo rightnow? H four? Yeah, we
just had episode six. I won'tspoil anything but a big shocking episode.
There's so much fun to talk aboutwith Jeremiah. I'm really excited with the

(01:25:00):
way this season has been going.We've got four episodes ago and so much
more Carrie Coon to watch, whichmakes me even more excited. So yeah,
check that out. We've been havinga lot of fun so far.
Awesome. And then you hinted,I think it was last week your episode
with Rob from Rob has a Podcastis coming up? Your guests a spot
there or it already it already happened, So it has happened. Yeah,

(01:25:21):
if you happen to be at apoint in you're watching of Survivor Game Changers
where you will have not watched thefinale yet. I got to be on
with Rob Cesarnino a couple of weeksago to answer the feedback and voicemails the
spot that I get to do withRob habitually and that I really enjoy doing.
We had a lot of fun withthat one. So even if you've
watched the finale, feel free tocheck it out and watch us be silly

(01:25:43):
for almost two hours. Yeah,it seems that consents are a lot of
the podcast world. Is this seasonnot one of the hottest seasons for a
lot of the die hard fans?It seems well. You can check out
Jay, Jack and Colleen's opinion directlyon that, yes, as you can
without spoiling that who won? Wereyou? Were you satisfied with who won?

(01:26:04):
I was satisfied with who won.I do think unfortunately this season underwent
a bit of choppy storytelling. Ithink that there's some there is some reason
behind that. Considering that all thebig people went out in the premiers,
you have to dedicate a good amountof time to them. As a result,
you don't have too much time todedicate to the people who went very

(01:26:24):
far. So unfortunately, I feellike going into this finale, there really
were only about three people that Icould see winning. But the person who
won will happen to be on thatlist, so I was happy in that
regard. I think you think thereare too many ways to have immunity.
I think if it is like abig survivor referendum by the end of this
podcast, well, I just Ithink it fell under the weight of like

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trying to be a game changer,and I think it just influenced a little
too much and putting all these gamechanges because that was they're good. Yeah,
I said this on the podcast withthe rob They're gonna scale it back.
They threw everything in there in thekitchen sink all in one season because
they as you said, they wantto make this like we want to keep
these people on their feet. Ithink between that and the fact that maybe

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some of these twists might have resultedin some bigger names going home there.
Now that we have new people goingout again in the fall, they're definitely
gonna scale things back. We'll justhave to wait and see. But you
can find out full opinions there asI mean, Rob has a podcast the
best of the best I think inthe survivor podcasting world, but we have
a humble little one as well thatyou can check out. Um, but

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any who, I think that's agood place to close it out. A
little bit of Survivor talk o seuh everybody next week for the last ever
episode of The Leftovers and I guessthe Leftovers with j Jack and Mike.
Right, wow, the end,This is the end. This is the
end. That that's how it's getThe show is going to end. Yeah,

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now, now we're not going tohave that scene it's going to close,
but this is the end. It'sby the doors, right so there
you yeah, yeah, there yougo the song that I know, so
maybe they'll do that for me.All right, Well, we'll see you
guys next time. Osla Luego andgoodbye bye bye bye