The Leftovers with Jay, Jack + Mike: Ep. 3.05 "It's a Matt Matt Matt Matt World"

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From Raleigh, North Carolina. It'sThe Leftovers with Jay and Jam podcast dedicade
to hbos the Leftovers. So sitback, relax, and enjoy the show.
How by, and welcome to Leftoverswith Jay, Jack and Mike.
My name is Jay, my nameis Mike, and I'm the one who
has to hose this boat down.And welcome to this show. How's it

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going? I don't want to Idon't want to know where that hose has
been. Well, if it's beenon that boat, it's been everywhere.
Well and what if what if youmistaken me use the frasier hose? Yeah,
I was gonna say, I don'tknow what that hose is connected to.
I don't want to know. Well, you know the whole thing,
you know, boat submarine. It'sall about naked people, right, That's
true. A lot of nakedness inthis episode, so hopefully. I thought

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I thought it was gonna be oneof those episodes because it says nudity in
the beginning. I thought it wasgonna be one of those. We just
got Guy in nudity again. Icome on, man, there's nothing wrong
with guy nudity. You're not you'renot comfortable with Guy nunity Jack. But
if if I have to sit tosome guy nudity, they'd very be some
female nudity, right, You're you'reequal opportunists on the Nundy exactly. Um,

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well we if if this is definitelyan interesting episode, a lot to
talk about it, excited to talkabout it. Um, It's a Matt
Matt Matt Matt World, which Ithink is an apropos title. Yeah,
I mean it's it's it's has somany significances to it, as is just
with any sort of leftovers title,and that obviously it's upon on It's a

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mad, mad, mad mad world, which correct me if I'm wrong.
That's a movie about like a madtreasure hunt where people are doing absolutely insane
things in order to have a chanceof finding this vast treasure. And I
think there's there are connections there withthe length that people are willing to go
in order to get this just rewardthat they find at the other, whether
that means a treasure or a placein the Kingdom of Heaven in the case

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of Matt. It also has asignificance in that, you know, David
Burton slash God is gonna say atthe very end, you know you don't
really have a belief in God.You just sort of do things for yourself
more so than for a higher power. And exactly Matt. So that's all
about Matt's world in that regard.So, yeah, lots of and be
similar to it. It's a mad, mad, mad mad world where they're

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just doing it for themselves. Yeah, exactly, the plenty where they're trying
to find where they're trying to findthe two palm trees. Oh spoiler,
um, but it does have anall star cast. If you haven't seen
it, I highly recommend. Yeah, I would recommend the updated version rat
Race two thousand version of it.Yeah, I saw that. Okay,

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it's what's her name? Jean Smarteror do you know what's her name?
It didn't quite have the cast atthe original head Oh come on, Jack,
you don't think that John Lovett's drivingHitler's car is not the peak level
of comedy that that that is agood woman? Yeah, I guess,
I guess John Lovett. It's overSpencer Tracy. Yes, I guess that
would be. And keepa gooding.Junior was in it too, right,

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I think wasn't he in it?Maybe? I don't know, I know
Whoopi Goldberg was in it. Iremember Seth Green was in it because his
him and him and his brother's storylinewas that his brother had a tongue piercing
and so he couldn't talk. RowanAtkinson was this really weird guy who kept
sayings. And that's like the onlything anyone remembers about that movie. And
it ends spoiler alert with everyone goingto a smash health concert. Product of

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its time. It's an amazing film. Let's see the original had Let's see
Spencer Tracy, Jonathan Winners, MickeyRooney, Sid Caesar, Milton Burrow.
Do I need to go on,Jackie? Do not think that old people
do? That's like we're n Ican't thanks, I hold on, wait,
wait wait, I'm just saying.I just threw out five names.
I think ethel Merman's in it too, So I guess great, this is

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a really great conversation. Some namesfor you keep getting Junior was indeed in
rat Race, Oscar werre Breckan Meyer, Gloria Allread I forgot about already.
Oh, she probably sued to getout of the movie. Oh and I
think, uh who plays the Ohit was a John Oh God, I'm

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blanking right now, Monty Python,John please les in it. He's the
He's the crazy, eclectic old manwho sets them up on their expedition to
begin with. So I think whatwe're all saying is these are two equally
fantastic films that everyone should check out. The get off the podcast Hackett which
okay, yeah, let's h yeah, let's let's let's move on. Uh

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here, we want to think ofmake this show possible, and that's our
patrons of our patreon dot com slashJay and Jack. If you'd like to
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jack dot com. Whether you cangive one dollar up to what was it
in a Mad Mad of World?A three hundred and fifty thousand dollars,
I think is what they're going for. Um. There's different stuff at every
single level. Um. And ifyou contribute three and fifty thousand dollars,

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Jack will personally bring a DVD copyof the film and watch it with you,
the one I got, the oneI ordered from Amazon. There you
go, change Jack, it comeslast, Emison. All Right, So we
got a lot to talk about inthis episode. We just got a lot
of listener feedback this week, sincewe did the live show last week,
we have some stuff from last week'sepisode and this week's episode, and we

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apologize for not we were going torecord a second episode, but time was
not on our side. Um,But hopefully everybody enjoyed the live shows.
A lot of fun doing the liveshow with everybody here at Costa Day,
glad filter um. Even though there'ssome complaints about the audio quality. I
apologize for the audio quality, butit's a live show, you know,
it's it's it's it's an organic livething. But we're back in our respective

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studios this week and we're ready totalk about this episode. So you guys
ready for this recap? All right, let's do it. All right,

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it's Leftovers recap time. We opena straight with the opening theme and this
is it? A French whisper song? Like have you done? Have you
figured out what this was? Mikein the in the Internet worlds? Yeah?
Actually, um, I was figuringit out, but then I got
tranquilized by this rogue frenchwoman with thiscrazy bushy hair, and I woke up

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strapped to a bed frame. Itwas really strange from what I believe I
didn't get it literally translated, butI believe, or at least extrapolated from
the various commentary on the Internet,that that whispering was We're about to see
dis presumably French naval officer about todo something akin to treason, and I

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think this is sort of him whisperinghis last prayer. So it was a
little like ASMR. Okay, well, yeah, I was. I was
wondering if it was him like doingsome type of prayer or saying or what
he was going to do. We'rereally I shouldn't We should have enlisted Shandy
Ma if you had more time totranslate it directly for us, I thought
there's just something wrong with my sound. But interesting, interesting change of pace

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there with last week's episode Day Melbourne. It kind of ended with this incident
and that's why all the flights aregrounded and we opened up to a French
submarine. There was a gentleman thatwas gonna be my second crackpot theory last
week, but we did it liveand I was gonna say it recorded show
that it was the French guy notset up a nucleue war. I mean,

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did to help you say phase alittle bit? I don't think anyone
could have predicted it. Maybe it'sbecause this weird cop in the Melbourne was
like, oh, yeah, therewas an explosion, so you believe that,
Oh maybe the machine blew up.Maybe there was another explosion going on.
Maybe it was the the g are. We had theories of bound only
to turn down that the explosion didn'tactually happen in Australia. It just happened
in the same ocean, but notnecessarily in the region. Can we just

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say, like talk about I don'tknow, not really given the full details,
like an explosion. If a nuclearbomb went off, he'd be like,
holy crap, a nuke win off. I wouldn't say like there was
an explosion. I mean, comeon, well if you know. Um,
but either way or it's a differenttime. We see a French submarine,
um and uh it's a gentleman unlocksus safe for a key, pus

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it on his neck. He disrobesuntil he's fully naked. He plays loud
music with a shuffle, but switchesoff from his normal iPod, which is
interesting. Um man comes in,he knocks him out, grabs his key.
Can I just say something, whyis the guy with the other key
I think everybody's yeah, one,okay, that didn't make sense. But

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you know, I'm not I'm notin the French name. I'm saying this
is the French Navy. It's it'snot you know, um, well to
the French Navy wouldn't be running theother way. I'm just kidding him.
It's a joke. I'm joking.I'm joking now, I just it did
makes sense that that guy is theone that ran in there, as it

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was it was his friend that wasgoing crazy. But yeah, come on,
maybe maybe he was like the thesubmarine ra and they were, you
know, past quiet hours, andthat's why should the two guys, should
the two guys that should the keyseven be in the same room together.
I mean, I agree it.See there's a lot of you know,
if people I could set off anuclear bomb, I've seen war games,

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and I'm telling you, nobody went. You don't have to U So he
runs to the people give Chase lockshimself in the control room and he's just
stretched to turn both keys. Now, now you see why it's he's naked,
because it gives it more dramatic effect. Well, I think that why
he's naked. No, I thinkhe's naked because is there's no clothes for

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people to hold on to. Hiif he's running away, Oh, he
should have greased himself up too.Yeah, there you go. What do
you mean he had a head start, but still, like say, there's
no clothes on him, they can'tgrab anything. I think that's why he
was naked. I'm not tackling thenaked guy. There's something to grab,
but I don't know. You mightget court martialed if you grab that without
a permission, unless you're the president. Um So it needs to stretch to

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turn both keys, gets the detonatorand sends off a nuclear bomb. Pause,
let's pause here for a second.So blows up an island with nobody
on it. Like, what,what's what's he doing here? Like?
Is he making the statements? Wedon't really know? We see kind of
half news coverage. Um Or isthis just a thing that is is this

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just say I guess it's not amcguffin, But is it something just so
that it makes it more difficult forthem to leave Australia. I mean,
I'm gonna attribute this to a latercombat between this really awesome conversation between Matt
and Burton later on, where youknow Matt's asking God in a way,
why did you make the sudden departurehappen? He basically just says because I

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could. And I almost feel likethis guy is not necessarily imbued with the
spirit of the powers the beat,but he sort of is embodying the same
type of principle that a lot ofpeople did. You know, especially in
that first season, when you havethese crazy teenagers just doing these random acts
of violence just because they can.And I feel like that wanton attitude might
have disappeared a little bit in themidst of the second and third season,

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would focus a little bit more onthe faith than the spirituality of it all.
But sometimes that chaotic attitude still kindof exists, and this might be
an example of that, in myopinion. There you go, Jack,
what do you think we were recording? Yes, yes, I'm sorry that
I was waiting for a sister recording. I stop. I thought you said

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I thought you shouldn't stop recording.No, I never said that. No,
we we had to turn our keysto stop recording. Yeah, exactly.
Okay, I'm sorry, and Jack, I'm sorry. I'm not gonna
I'm not gonna make it and runaway. Right, so it just we
had to keep recording. I'm sorry, that's fine, that's fine. Um
right, let's go to Matt,who arrives at one of his parishioner's home.

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We see a video of the nukehit a remote island. Note who
is on the island? So youknow, no harm, no foul.
Do you think that was the intentionof the guy the whole time noticing the
nuke to an island? That thenwhy do it again? I guess it's
a mist Maybe you can yeah,great chaos. But um, so to
do the north look of the dudeto North Korea? Yeah right, yeah

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yeah. Um. He asked Arturoif he would a charter a plane for
him to Melbourne or fly the charterplane. Um, since all flights are
grounded, but if they can dolike a piece mission, they can go.
Arta pushes back that he needs tobe with his dying mother. Um,
and Matt offers the same to alittle bit Nora had needed because I

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guess they just they both of themwere both bequeathed twenty k from their parents
and they held it just for thismoment. So convinces uh Arturo to fly
the plane. Cool. Would youwould would you would you leave your dying
mom for twenty thousand dollars? AmI is it? I wait? Wait?

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Am I still recording? Did Iactually stop it? Because now?
Um? I mean probably not.But then it also depends on like what
was her situation, Like could Artrothink like I need that twenty thousand dollars
for her medical bills? And it'sa quick hop back and forth. I
mean, I don't think I thinkArturo really did just drop him off in
Tasmania and head back. I actuallythink he ended up doing pretty fine all

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things considered, Arturo sitting pretty Umyeah, I mean I think I think
one Matt did it as a wholethis whole like kind of mission from God
kind of deal. Um, hethought he could form there And oh,
you know, it's a great movie. Blues Brothers two thousand love that film?
Are we still recording? I Ican't believe. I can't believe you

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said that out loud. It's notactually it's not a bad movie. It's
terrible, horrible movie. The music'snot bad. The music's not there's a
lot of like legends in that movie. Okay, that's pretty horrible. Um,
all right, Uh, then Uhget to the tarmac h and Matt
makes a call to Kevin's voicemail.Um says he's coming to get Kevin.

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Uh. Michael and John arrived withLorie in tow. Matt does it want
LORI? Matt? Lorie has somegood f bombs in this episode. He's
found poops and you know, bowelmovements and spoilers. Matt doesn't want her
to join the fight. She criticizeshim for turning his psychosis into scripture.

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Um. She asks about Nora,and Matt doesn't even seem to care.
He's like Nora, Oh no,he asked sister. And then he asked
Laurie if she needs a whistle becauseit sounds going to blow up a little
steam. Uh. She reprised witha strong fu and warranted f you what
I forget? Why did they hateeach other? I mean, did do

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you remember season one? We hadlittle moments where like she blew she blew
the whistle in that face. That'sright, because because she was she wasn't
talking and he was and he youknow, I think she kind of struck
out against him, threw Megan awaybecause remember he was sort of on his
path in season one to be like, hey, all the departed people were
bad people. And then he alsosaid, you know, hey, Meg,

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come back to your family. Yourhusband wants you. But and since
Laurie was sort of like her caretakerin that regard for the in the gr
for some time, she sort oftook it out on him. But again
we go back to this man ofscience, man of faith argument. Quite
ironically, we are taking a flighteither to or from Australia as well.
But I think these Lorian man arereally going to bud heads here specifically in

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this episode, because I mean theoutlined in this scene that you just mentioned.
Jay Matt is the man of faith. He talked about the Book of
Kevin in the season premiere. He'sdefinitely about, you know, we need
to treat Kevin like he's this bigreligious figure, whereas Lorie is a little
more well grounded and is saying,no, he has a mental issue that
we need to take care of.This cannot be rooted in any sort of

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scripture that you may be writing.Yeah, uh, you know, John
tells you need to respect my wife. Man on the plane both I've I've
shot people before. Both battle tosee who knows Kevin Moore and Laurie does
describe how many poops he takes ina day. It's four that I was
counting at home, Laurie, SoI guess Jesus didn't poop. Laurie says

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she doesn't think he's the second gashof darn coming of christ when she says
that the plane hits turbulence and Mattgets a smugg look on his face.
So, so can we talk aboutMatt here for say? Because I I
personally believe as borderline confusing in thisas this episode, maybe this actually might
be my favorite Matt episode just becauseof the pure insanity that results from this.
But I know we talked at thebeginning of the season about this idea

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that like Matt will do anything toget what he wants. You know,
Christopher Ecliston has this sort of likea spotlight on Matt Jamison after the episode
on HBO Now and he says hehas a sense of mission and he has
a central belief and he will notmove from that. And I think we
see this episode that having that centralbelief will lead you to not only do

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insane things, but also have akind of a smug attitude about it.
Yeah, yeah, I mean,that's but he always has that attitude,
though more so it's like even moreheightened. Yees, So I guess that's
what I want to ask, isthat do you think that the Matt in
this episode, particularly for the firstlike three quarters. Obviously he changes at
the end, but do you feellike the map for this first like seventy

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five percent of the episode was differentin terms of an attitude than the map
we've seen the previous two seasons.I probably he's dined so well that I
also think I think he feels emboldenedby the work that he's doing with Kevin.
I think he has a sense ofpurpose that he can he can kind
of ignore all of the crappy thingsthat I'm doing, like his wife and
son leaving him having cancer again,and he feels like all to service this

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work with the gospel of Kevin UmWe're as you know, the two previous
seasons, he was so humbled becausethe world just kept knocking him down and
he didn't really have a sense ofpurpose. He kind of was longing for
something, and I think in thisseason he finally found something in Kevin to
kind of hang his hat on.But you know, it definitely kind of

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gets knocked down this episode. ButI think this is why we're seeing that
kind of smugness up until you know, the later half of this episode that
he's displaying. Yeah, I thinkof that. Again, we didn't see
the three years between Mary waking upand when she ultimately left him, But
I feel like mary waking up wasthe moment where Matt's like, I've finally
been rewarded for my faith in serviceto God, because you know, not

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only had he been praying for hiswife's healthy, he'd also been praying to
have a child, and he wasable to get both in one fell swoop.
So I think that really emboldened himto be like, yes, see,
this is absolutely working. But again, as his conversation with Burton is
going to kind of sort of alludeto at the end, that might not
necessarily be the case exactly that,and yeah, and um, kind he

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kind of took it in the worstway that people can take something like that
happening, instead of being kind ofgraceful or gracious and all those kind of
things. It's kind of embolden himand made him almost insufferable. But while
everybody's sleeping on the plane, Mattstarts to have a nosebleed. He tries
to take some meds and the Biblehe's reading the passage is is it Daniel

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and and the Lions? Then?And he tries to take some meds but
the bottle falls. Michael notices.Matt tells him it's for his allergies.
Matt asked Michael if he's prepared todo whatever it takes to get Kevin back,
and Michael asked, maybe we shouldask Kevin what he wants to do.
Um ar two rotels. That doesseem like the logical thing to do,

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though arti Ro tells him they can'tland in Melbourne, they have to
land in Tasmania. Do you thinkit was responsible for John and Lorie as
parents to take Michael along with themin this cargo playing to another country?
Well? Is it? Isn't Michaellike an adult by this point, like
he has to be in his twentiesright? I was wondering, what,

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what do we know what age hewas at him and Evie because he was
Evie in in school at the timeas well when she departed, when she
disappeared quote unquote departed a few yearsago in high school or something. Plus
it's three years later. Michael hasto be well, what's what's what's the
what's her name? That? Um? Lorie and Kevin's daughter, Oh,
Jill, all right, j she'sin college and she was you know,

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Michael, I think they were thesame age, so he's got to be
college age. Ah, that's right, yeah, because they had a little
thing going on last season. Yeah, so you know, it's been three
years later. He can go theworld's gonna end in a few days.
Anyway, She's she's the last cunningHam at this moment um. But but
yeah, I think Michael seems toalways have a greater sense, or at
least on a more level head.And I think he's right in saying,

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you see what just happens. Um, But Matt's you know, uh got
his mission. Uh. Once inTasmania they find out that they have to
take a fairy to Melbourne. UMatt asked to buy three tickets. Luri
is a solid f You I didfind that funny? And what and what
do you think that was unintentional ordo you think he was really like,

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Oh, I'm just like, I'msorry I didn't realize because I mean,
that's a pretty I think it wasa bit of both. Uh, it
was a dig Um. Matt Istold the fairy for the night has been
sold to a group. If hewants to leave now, I have to
take it with them. He goesto a woman in a lion head dresser
asked him, I'm ninety one havinga son. He lets a man on

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a red hat pass mask at Mattesk why he can go on. She
said, he's a friend of thecaptain. Captain. Captain, she says,
there's gonna be a lot of sexon the boat, free of judgments.
Um, She'll let Matt and hisfriends on if he can tell the
dirtiest joke you know. Um.Laurie tries to say that, no him,

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and he tells a pretty terrible pimpleand a priest joke. Um,
she was I the only one thatlaughed. I was like, oh no,
I was like, oh it wasit was. It was less of
a laugh and more of like ashock, like oh yeah, because I
mean it's it's type is something thatyou might hear on like like a pub
late on a Friday night, notnecessarily from the guy who's giving him a
sermons Every Sunday morning. Matt gotthat from Norah. Uh well, I

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mean, yeah, that's a that'sa Norah joke. Uh so she lets
them on. Then the rules areladies have free reign, No one can
control the lionesses. And when midnightcomes, no man mentioned his name less
that man become him. Uh andthat is for Frasier. How much were
we hoping that Kelsey Grammar would makea cameo. I I definitely was,

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because um uh Damon posted an instagramof referencing the Frasier theme song, So
I thought, maybe that would youknow, come into it. But can
you concern you know, we hadMark Linn Baker, we had the eighties
six being reference. We need likethe nineties early two thousand sitcoms being referenced
as well to really, you know, show the tapestry that leftovers paints.

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Well. I posted on our Facebookpage this Frasier the Lion story is.
Yeah, there's a Time article thatgot in a couple of years about it.
Right. Yeah, I love asong apparently because they played a song,
the Frasier the Lion song, ScrambledEggs. I hear the line call

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in scrambled eggs, messy, Umthe U A male lion is boarded onto
the ferry Frasier. The Lions songplays. Matt tries to see if they
can buy return fights over the phone, but it's still grounded. Laurie wants

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to get some sandwiches. Matt thinksthere's still time to get Kevin back in
time for the seven year universary.John and Michael think that maybe they're supposed
to be here and see what happens. Need to accept that whatever is going
to happen, it's going to happenhere. John says maybe if he gave
his wife more control, she wouldn'thave left, which you know, most

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of peopleould be like, you know, f you, Laurie, but it
was not the case here. Mattsays it was a test. His nose
starts to bleed really bad and heruns off to the bathroom. There was
a fun line from John here wherehe says, as you said, he
we're just gonna need to accept thatwhatever's going to happen is going to happen
here. Do you feel like therewas sort of like a wink, wink,

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nudge nudge to the audience that we'reprobably not going to see miracle again.
I think so, which is kindof sad. I mean, there's
all only three episodes left, soreally, UM like, it's almost like
what the time crunch they're facing inyou know, their their journey on the
show is the same we're facing withthe amount of episodes left. So,

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um, I think it's a goodcall out. I don't. I don't
know how we get back to Miracleat this point, we do we need
to go back and see any ofthe characters there, I don't think.
I think we've done. I'm gonnasay so. Unfortunately, that means no
more Erica. So she had ReginaKing unfortunately only had one scene. I
guess this means no more Tommy.We sort of definitely said no more Jill
even after the first episode. Isthe everyone else ever really missing from Miracle?

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From the Miracle cast now that wehave this core five or so characters
down in Australia, Um No.And and really, if you think about
the ones they left behind, isthere anything? Is there any loose ends
to their story? I don't thinkso. No. No, I mean
I'm wondering if considering how integral Tommywas as a character, especially in season
one, I'm wondering exactly thinking aboutnow where we left things with him,

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because I believe the last thing wesaw him do is have this conversation with
Nora about her abandoning Lily. Doyou feel like we needed anything else from
Tommy? Is this a wrap onChris Zelica for the series? I think
so. I think so. Ithink I can't see anywhere. He's not
in Australia, so there's no reasonto go back, Like we said,
no reason to go back there.So he's done in college, so she's

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not part of this pray um Erica'sdoing. If Erica is doing fine,
she has a trampoline, she's goodto go. Yeah, So yeah,
I think I think. I thinka good point there, Mike Um,
Is that your hot take for thisepisode? I guess so well, and
also considering that again not to spoiltoo much about the next time on,
but it seems like the new arrivalsto Melbourne want to stay there for a

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little bit. Looks like they're constructingthings, and we do have one character
tell another that whatever you're doing,I'm in. So it seems like from
what we're seeing both in this episodein future episodes, it's gonna be all
about Australia for the next Plus we'reonly a few days away from the seventh
year anniversary, right, Yeah,it's getting there. And as we see
it, it's hard to get backto the mainland from back to the United

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States from Australia anyway, so Ithink I think it's yeah, we're not
leaving Australia. Um. Going backto Matt cleaning his nose, one of
the crew says, God must havedone that to him. Uh, and
you know, it's like God,like, what does that mean? But
there's actually somebody there that thinks he'sGod. Matt must investigate, tries to

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talk to him, but God doesn'twant to talk to him. Um.
He hands him a car that says, yes, I'm God. Matt reads
a car to the other disciples.Uh, Michael, John and Laurie.
Michael asked, why are you lettingit bother you? You know he's not
actually God. Michael says, youshould tell Laurie you're sick. Um and
kind of Matt protests, Um,and he says, my dad used to

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keep everything inside, even to mymom. He met Laurie and it made
him better. Matt says, no, he got better because of us,
because of the work that we did. UM and Matt says that Laurie isn't
a part of this. Michael wiselysays, you know, Michael, John,
they were all disciples. Maybe sheis one two. I think that's

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fair. Again, I think Ithink Michael's the kind of wise level head
all disciples, okay? Or oris Lorie going to be the Judas in
that regard whatever that may mean,and that she sells Matt down the river
for some reason? Why would shedo that? Oh? Jack? You
still think, well, again,Judas was a disciple, Jack, so
they're still all disciples. That's whatI'm saying, Okay. Yeah, And

(28:41):
I think you know, I willdefinitely get to the yahweh David Burton stuff
later when he actually speaks. ButI think Michael does bring up an interesting
point about John and I feel likewe talked about this a little bit during
our season preview, our season premierebecause we really didn't have not seen too
too much of John this season untilnow. I mean, does it seem
like John has really I mean,it seems like he's changed, I would

(29:03):
say almost too much. It seemslike the guy that was maybe a placid
on the surface but really fuming onthe inside, and you know, like
Maga is going to tell him later, the guy who would go on a
witch hunt against people who said thatthey were, you know, doing spiritual
things to the point of burning theirhouses down, to have him suddenly become
this piece keeping you know, JohnLennon glasses wearing guy over the course of

(29:26):
three years, Tree hugged hippie.Yeah, giving giving piece a chance.
No, it's interesting though. Ibelieve that John is wearing the same type
of glasses that Evie was wearing beforeshe disappears, so maybe that's sort of
memory of her. But do youfeel like the character has undergone too much
of a shift? Do you thinkthere's a possibility we might see some of
the old John Murphy creaking out inthese last few episodes. It's possible,

(29:49):
even though you know, Matt triedto inciate that aum a little bit later
in the episode, and he didn'tseem to really be too into that.
But it it seems like there's thesuit John's superpower hiding beneath the surface,
and it would be interesting. AndI think, well, it's only three
episodes, because how do you letthe anger out? How do you let

(30:11):
the incredible Hulk become the incredible hulkand then resolve peacefully. Okay, he's
been this, He's been peaceful forthree years. Three years. He's just
it's he's gonna explode, right.Maybe he's got Lorie. Man, he's
got Lorie that everybody yells at Lauriebut him because she she's the right one

(30:32):
for him. Can I can Ijust go back to the guy. The
crew remember seeing Matt's sink full ofblood and just goes, hey, did
God punch you? It must bea regular occurrence. Hey are you not?
Are you all right? Do youneed a doctor? I work on
the boat, but I gotta getback to the sex. Hold on,
hold, on hold. It's Australia, though it doesn't like everybody like punch

(30:52):
everybody in the face in Australia.Isn't not more normal? I mean Australia
was founded as a colony for Britishcriminals, so they have roots and so
I guess it doesn't matter, guys, just like a normal conversation, right,
just like being punched in the face. Well, I do agree with
Jack though, I feel like thisboat crew throughout the course of this episode
is definitely shirking their responsibilities, andwhether it's because they want to take place

(31:15):
into the debauchery, or whether it'sjust because like, hey, a private
party rented this boat out. Wereally aren't, don't. We really don't
have a jurisdiction to like step inand really, you know, just throw
down the law of the land orthe sea. I'm not entirely sure,
but yeah, it seems like they'rethey're very amicable and chummy when it comes
to things like people getting punched inthe face or presumably thrown overboard. Yes,

(31:37):
yes, but again, if they'remore interested in partaking in the sexcapades,
you can't you can see where theygot distracted. So Matt walks through
the Xcapades to John and Laurie.Matt asks if he can speak to Laurie
alone. Laurie says her and Johnwere offered to be part of a four
way. Rie tells the story ofFrasier the Lion. Basically, he's like

(32:04):
ninety one years old. Is thatin cat Ears? That has to be
in cat Ears? Yeah, it'sit was cat Ears um and uh,
you know they they basically brought himfrom some Mexican zoo that went bankrupt and
is gonna kind of this retirement outin this other zoo, but that ninety
had sex with thirty five of thelionesses or something like that, and no
had a bunch of lions that hadlike thirty five cubs. And now there's

(32:27):
kind of this uh, you know, Colt or whatever around Frazier. Umlaurie
says that they should go with Matt'sstory. Um. Matt says, it's
not a story. Laurie slips thatKevin saw Evie. They both agree not
to say anying about say, oh, you're good, you're a good person.
Matt asks to be alone. Hepukes overboard and sees Laura case g

(32:52):
God throw a man overboard. Hetries to get people's attention, no one
cares, so he jumps in afterhim, and then people notice so interesting
seeing one between Laurie and Matt kindof maybe figuring each other out more,
getting along more, or almost justboth playing each other maybe, and then
Matt witnessing God kill a guy.So thoughts here, yeah, I think

(33:16):
that there might have been some groundmade up, but then it was almost
squandered when Laurie said, like,oh, yeah, you know, we're
both given Kevin's stories essentially. ButMatt to him, it's not a story
to him, it's a reality,and so I think that, you know,
any sort of mended fences were veryquickly demolished with that statement. And
Laurie, you were doing so wellfor this episode until you let it slip

(33:38):
about evy Matthew. Laurie, damnit, what all fairness? She didn't
do it to John? Is reallymatt that it was being the jerk in
that regard? I think I feelwell, yeah, but maybe if she
should she have said something sooner.Well, I mean, we're gonna we're

(34:00):
gonna talk about it later. Iwas definitely thinking like, oh, John's
gonna find out. This is whenhe's gonna rubber back to his old self.
It's gonna lead to strife between them. But again, for now Water
under the Bridge, it seemed likeeverything was okay. But you know,
Laurie's a doctor. She could begiving him sedatives or something like that too
that he doesn't know about. AmI right, Maybe maybe that's where you're

(34:22):
still calm. Maybe she's hypnotizing himor something. There you go, I
have seen get out so uh scaryscary stuff um so uh. In the
Captain's quarters, after he tells Captainthe story of what God did. Um,
he came uh we find out that'suh. It's name is David Burton.

(34:45):
He was an announcer for the SydneyOlympic Games. Um. And he
was going on a hike and heslipped, broke his neck. He died.
So his friend he was hiking withput him in a cave. So
you know, the dan goes wouldn'thim And when he came back the next
day, Burton was fine and hewas alive. So similar to Kevin Garvey

(35:12):
here maybe. Well this also connectsback to season two in a couple of
ways. So if you remember,there was that random TV story that came
on, I think in Lori's episodein season two about the guy who came
out of the cave that was namedhis name is David Burton. If you
remember, in the first episode ofseason two, Moses rest in Peace writes

(35:34):
a letter to Michael that's addressed toDavid Burton. And this guy who played
David Burton, Bill Camp. Hewas beardless, but he appeared not once
but twice in this purgatorial afterlife hotelenvironment in season two as well. Well.
He was on the he was onthe bridge, right, he was
on the bridge, and he wasthe guy in the hotel bar who convinced

(35:55):
Kevin tson karaoke. Yeah, guygets around. So I mean, I
know that by the end of thisepisode, we're really saying like, oh,
this guy is just you know,a fallacy concerning you know, he
says I'm going to heal your cancerand really just snaps his fingers and that's
it. But I don't know ifwe're saying that this other stuff exists,
there's a chance there's a chance.I'm just saying there's a chance that he

(36:19):
really could have some validity in hisstatement here. So now, wherever he
was placed in the caves, itcould be a similar GEO place in Australia
has the same properties as a miracle. So will Kevin be able to truly
die and come back if he findsmaybe wherever David Burton was, I mean

(36:43):
maybe depends on also, like theradius I don't know of because you know,
Kevin when he died in Miracle,it wasn't in the lake itself,
you know, the the eponymous Miraclepark. It was in the trailer,
in Burtle's trailer, and it wasin the it was in right outside in
the visitor's center. So maybe itdoesn't even need to be in the cave.

(37:04):
Maybe if wherever Kevin Senior in GraithPlayford are camped out, if it's
near by to the caves, itcould be possible. Yeah, I arroh
could be m M. The plotthickens. Um. So the captain says,
if you can get Burton to confess, I will be happy to get
the authorities. Matt won't let itgo. H. He goes to the

(37:28):
head lioness for the manifest Um.She doesn't care that someone has possibly been
killed. He says, you onlycare about effing and Frasier And he spoke
his name after midnights so and thenthey take him and they try to milk
his seed and he stops it andyeah, yeah, what what did you

(37:52):
guys? I mean, I definitelythought when he said Frasier's name that I
thought, okay, was he wasgonna face a similar fate of him having
to, like, I don't know, have sacked with every single woman on
board or something. But what whatwas gonna happen turned out to be much
more graphic than I thought. Uhyeah, yeah, and I didn't I
didn't see that. Yeah, Ididn't see that one coming. Um yeah,

(38:14):
and he and he got out ofit. Um but then uh he
basically shamed all of them, saying, your people are sick. You got
to be ashamed of yourself, towhich they replied boo. Which I'm kind
of with this this this line,this Frasier cult here, because you know,
they just wanted to like do theirthing in peace. They didn't want
any judgment. They let this guyon and now he's it was a private

(38:37):
party. Yeah, he is theirguests. Yeah right, Um, so
it's he's not playing by the rules, like and he's being Matt and not
caring. He's just thinking whatever he'sdoing is the most important thing, because
again it's a Matt Matt Matt world. Uh yeah, and uh and they're
all just living in it. Butyeah, I kinda, I kinda I'm
I'm on the Frasier cult side hereon this one. Yeah, I mean

(39:00):
it's but I'm also surprised as wellthat, like I thought they were going
to uphold the ceremony where like Iknow, Matt was like held down,
but he sprung up pretty easily.I would think that like some of those
bigger guys, maybe even the crewmembers that they brainwashed, would like force
him down and make him have togo through the process. It seemed like
as much mockery as they may makeof him for turning down the ritual,

(39:22):
they were sort of like, uh, no, it's okay, let's just
go back to what we were doing. Well, maybe they're maybe they were
shocked that someone would fight it.Well now, because again I think,
uh, for the people there,I don't think it's like a super like
like an actual cult cult where theywould you know, rape a guy against
his will. Um. But Ithink it's more of you know, they're

(39:43):
there just for you know, whatevershared sexual experience they want to share.
And it's obviously I think when whenwhen Matt was fighting, they said,
all right, let's just let himgo. Yeah, that's cut our losses
here. He dosn't want to play. Because I think if people do it,
they're probably probably kind of want totake a part of whatever that ceremony
is. I again, I'm notpart of this Frasier club, but I

(40:05):
would think that maybe when you wouldsay it, they want to actually,
what club are you part of?Uh? Part of the spin City club?
Uh they get your swing off mylawn club? Um? But uh,
one lioness seems to care about whathe said. Um. He goes
after God himself and says, youthink you can get away with this?

(40:27):
Um? David bur Burton punches himum in the guts. Uh and when
will when will Matt learn he doesn'tever? Um? A lioness, that
young lioness comes up to him andtells him there's a plan, tells him
when the doc when the boat docks, stay on the boat. Um.
He goes to the other disciples andtries to get Jon to beat up David
Burton to confess to what he did. John says, no, I can't.

(40:52):
Laurie's got me sedated. I can'tdo anything, Bapa, Lori's got
me sedated. Um, the beansare spilt that Kevin saw Evie. Laurie
says he was protecting John, andagain as the data, John's takes Lorie's
size like, yeah, I'd dothat too, and told me either,

(41:12):
and Matt goes, Okay, Iguess I was wrong, Matt. I
mean Matt trying to invoke bros beforehose here right. That's basically what this
entire group thing was was, like, thanks, John, why did you
bring your girl? She always dragsstuff down. Yeah, especially Laurie,
such a down. I liked thebetter when you shoudn't speak. Um.
Uh so, yeah, Matt apologize, says he's tired. And yeah,

(41:35):
you think that Matt only apologize becauseit didn't work. I think so.
Absolutely, Yeah, absolutely, hewas totally backing out of Plan A and
going quickly to Plan X or PlanAX. The UM Matt gets the axe
in a wheelchair, He knocks Davidburn Out, takes him to Frasier's descendant
UM, and has an intense conversationwith God. UM. He gets to

(41:57):
say that he threw a man theman overboard, but he won't tell the
captain and authorities. UM challenges allof Matt's faith. Um doesn't own up
to anything uh that has gone onin history, say for the sudden departure.
Why because he could? Um.Matt says there has to be a
reason for that. Everything he's doneis for a reason, sacrificing his happiness,

(42:20):
his wife and son leaving him asa test and he shouts, I
did it for you. And there'sa something that pivot moment where you know,
whether whether Matt believes it or not, he's he's you know, talking
angrily towards God um the capitol gGod um, and David Burton says,
you didn't do it for me,you did it for yourself, um,
to which Matt reprises that while you'rekilling me. David Burton kind of nods

(42:42):
yes. Um. He says Icould save you again if you untie me.
Anybody else at this point say,oh my god, he's gonna kill
Matt. Matt's gonna be killed.Yeah, I mean, I mean I
loved this. See, yeah,it was. It was incredible because I
feel like this is the culmination ofeverything we've seen Matt Jamison do. Yeah.
He And it's so much fun becausecoming into this scene, he totally

(43:06):
wants to be the John Murphy.That's why he stoked his flame before him,
trying to, you know, reallyrile him up of what he used
to be. In season two oflike I'm going to go after the people
who claim that they're gods when theyreally aren't, which a little bit of
a hypocrite Mac, considering the religionthat you're touting at the moment of taking
some random guy and claiming he's ahe's a messiah like figure. But then
by the end he's almost I don'teven says he's believing. I guess he's

(43:30):
believing it to a certain extent becausehe's just now he's just throwing his exasperated
attitude, so many years of pentup anger and frustration and desperation from a
young age and just throwing it tosay like, oh, you're finally meeting
God. What do you want totell him? And he just lets loose
so much, And this is Ifeel like this is where we really see

(43:52):
Matt at his truest that it.You know, it seemed like his attitude
was always like I'm just gonna puton a begrudging smile and know that,
you know, the Lord will helpme through it. Now that his order
is finally in front of him,he's gonna let him know what he feels
and how he's felt about having towork so hard and having so many obstacles
put in his place, and thento essentially not have that validated, to

(44:14):
have this proxy for God tell himlike, uh, you know what,
it doesn't really matter. You know, you weren't really doing it for me,
you were doing it for yourself wasjust so gratifying. This was Matt's
pivotal moment throughout the entire series ofThe Leftovers, and he was so so
beautiful to watch. Yeah, doyou think that the reason David Burton didn't

(44:37):
kill Matt was because in the end, Matt was believing that he was almost
believing that he was God, thathe was speaking to God, or that
he knew they were docking soon.And Matt was a more well known person
because he talked about him say,probably can't get away with it is easy.
You think that's what it was,because he seemed like he had he
had the thing. But there wasa line that he said in there that
he goes, when he says,you know, you can't Mary carry your

(45:00):
son? He goes, no,it wasn't my son. Yeah, her
word against mine. Yeah, butwhat's what's Matt's wife's name? Mary?
God? Stop it. I'm justI'm just thrown it out there, just
thrown out this would take this beautiful, amazingly acted scene and try and shoehorn
into supporting one of your theories.Uh well eight, Mary, um so.

(45:24):
And we did get the confirmation hereas well, which is I think
I might have made a guest tothis in episode two this season that the
illness he has indeed his cancer hischildhood cancer has come back a lah spoiler
alert for breaking Bad Walter White inthe final season as well. And I
think the confession also might have ledto Matt's very changed attitude after his talk

(45:49):
with David Burton here. Well,I think it's almost kind of like letting
go in a way. Yeah.Um, but you know, he unties
David Burton, he doesn't kill him. Even I was like, oh,
Matt's dead, Matt's dead. Matt'sdead. Um, and uh, I
don't really actually have played David Burton, but this scene Bill Camp between the
two of them really well acted,just top notch, top notch. It

(46:13):
was a great scene. Um.And uh, he you know, says
I can cure you. So hegets untied and he snaps his fingers and
says you're cured. Um. Didanyone think for a second that Matt was
going to take the axe and knockthe lock off the lion cage. Oh
yeah, I was thinking, eitherknock the lock of the lion cage or
you know, beat beat David Burtonto death, because we know he's capable

(46:36):
of that before. But I'm notentirely sure. Maybe he feels like he's
cured or maybe he just realized inthat moment like, oh crap, I
just felt for a sham, thoughagain it might not be a sham depending
on the instances that we've seen Billcamp before on the show. And he
thought like, well, that's asign to me that you know, I
have, Like, look what I'vejust told someone that I thought was God.

(46:58):
These are clearly feelings that I've hadriled up in side of me.
Maybe it's time, like John,for me to let go and for me
to just move on in the worldknowing that I don't need to necessarily do
things too from my justification benefit ofhigher power. I can still act selfishly,
but I need to know that I'macting selfishly. I agreed, Yep,
exactly exactly, because then afterwards youkind of just have this Matt stoically

(47:23):
looking at the dock as they're pullingin, and the captain goes up to
him me. He says, afishing boat found a body at matchages your
description. He's called the authorities andwould like you to give a statement unless
you have pressing business in Melbourne,and Matt says I don't. So it
seems he's even let go of thisthis you know, manic desire to get

(47:45):
Kevin back to Miracle. Yeah,I mean, and it makes sense because
again, he's been pushed back theentire time for both of travel perspective,
and even his own disciples were like, we really don't need to go back
to Miracle. So it seems likeMatt is settling in the rest of the
audience as well, thinking like,Okay, yep, we're gonna stay down
under for now. But I stillthink he's going to be involved in what's

(48:06):
going on, but he's at leastagainst the idea of we need to get
Kevin back to Miracle in order foryou know, whatever's going to happen to
happen. Yep. The tells theother disciples thank God for coming. I'm
glad you're here, and Laurie's like, what's wrong? Are you okay?
And he says that he's dying.We see the cops arrive at the doc

(48:29):
to get David Burton. He fleesthe young Lioness and some others lets the
Fraser to send it go as David'srunning away. The lion goes after David
and presumably kills him. The copsshoot the lion, The disciples look away
and Matt turns around, just ashot straight on his face and says,
that's the guy I was telling youabout. So good again. We have

(48:55):
talked so much the season about howthe Leftovers it's sort of like a source
of surprising comedy sometimes and that isa great example of it. And there's
so many again fun meanings in thereof like, you know, there's a
little interpretation of like, oh see, that's the guy I was telling you
about, the guy that pushed theguy overboard. There's that's the guy I
was telling you about in reference toGod himself. It's just so many fun

(49:15):
interpretations. It's such a dark wayto end an episode of a an interpretation
of God getting mall to death bya lion that was purported around the world
for virile purposes is just pure offthe wall insanity. But it's one reason
why I love this show. Well, you notice the police waited till after
he was attacked before they started shooting. Well, if the police know who

(49:38):
he is are, they're gonna belike, Okay, he's gonna come back
after this, well part of itwill peace will be here. Um.
But yeah, uh to Mike's pointing. As you mentioned earlier, this is
kind of the the pinnacle of Matt'sstory, really, the the climax of

(50:00):
his journey, you could say,And it'll be interesting to see where it
goes from there. Yeah, Iwonder if you know, now that he
sort of had his story, youknow, is he going to take a
back seat to what's about to happen? And I don't think this is sort
of like a curtain call where acharacters step forward and they have their scenes

(50:22):
and they step back. Kevin Senior, for example, looks like he's still
going to be heavily involved in theaction. But you kind of have to
wonder where does Matt go from here? From both a plot perspective and almost
an attitude perspective, I don't knowwhether he'll get his faith back or or
he'll just kind of be with almostjust an observer, a silent observer or

(50:43):
supporter as opposed to a driving force. It remains to be seen. It
remains to be seen, Jack,what do you think you know? Where
I stand? Oh, geez,what is that he's gonna kill Kevin?
Well, we'll just have to waitand see. We'll have to wait and
see on that one. Well,it wasn't it. It's working out great
for me. At least they're inthe same country. Now, I was
gonna say it seems not to spoilthe preview too much, but it seems

(51:06):
like another character is set on killingKevin before Matt might. Well, there's
a lot of people want to killKevin. But overall, three episodes left.
How are you guys feeling with threeepisodes left? I mean, I
sort of. I know I saidthis at the end of last week,
but I'm just not sure where they'regoing to go from here, which makes
it extremely exciting. It looks like, again, not to go too much

(51:28):
into next week, but I thinkthere are some characters that are being brought
back in. I don't think weexpected to at first, considering how we
left things at the end of episodefour, But now that our main ensemble
is coming back together after being kindof separated to the winds the past few
episodes, it makes it exciting becausethis cast is what really makes this show
in my opinion, so as longas the writing stays is strong. To

(51:49):
have this cast altogether in one country, one environment, working together makes me
very excited. Agreed, All right, Well that's what we thought about this
episode. Now it's tiding to getto what's you guys thought about the past
two episodes. It's now time forlistener feedback. Listener, alright, it's

(52:10):
listener feedback time. We got alot of emails. We start with the
emails and then finish with the calls. Let's first let me go to well,
let's do the ones for him lastweek, So Jay, Jack,
and Mike, it was great tobe a part of the live show watching
and then podcasting experience last weekend.While totally irrelevant to the actual story.

(52:34):
As a frequent traveler, I wasreally bothered by the many inaccuracies in the
airport scene. First, global entryhas to do with entering the US,
thus the name global entry and nothingto do with leaving. The correct term
should have been t SA pre check. Secondly, they would have been separated
long before getting to the TSA checkeras their typically two lines. Thirdly,

(52:59):
while likely the watch would have setoff the metal detector once it did,
Nora would have had a female agentwand her into a full body frisk and
Nora would not have gone through thedetector. Again, but maybe this has
to do with Carracoon technology issues inFargo as part of a crossover conspiracy.
And lastly, airport bathrooms are neverempty and do not have lockable doors,

(53:20):
unlike there's the show. This wasall too unrealistic kind of I will counter
a couple of these real quick,because my wife and I travel a lot.
I think that was a family bathroomto where you can go like change
your kids diaper and stuff, andthat is a single room where you can
lock the door, so I canback that one up. And also I
think global Entry. If you haveGlobal Entry, you also have TSA pre

(53:42):
check. So sh maybe she wasjust you know, saying it's as a
generality as opposed to exactly what shehad as a brief tangent. I didn't
talk about this during the live showbecause I didn't want to jinx of concern.
I had to fly back, butwe went through a very Nora Matt
like string of bad luck. Yeah, flying down to Raleigh for the podcast

(54:05):
weekend. I won't go into ittoo too much, but those of you
that might live and live in NewYork or the area know that there was
a heavy amount of rain on theFriday where I flew down, so we
had two canceled flights, were ableto sneak our way or squeeze our way
onto a flight connecting through Pittsburgh thatended up having to turn around on the
tarmac because the bathroom was broken.And then we finally got down there about

(54:28):
you know, like what ten hoursafter we were supposed to. My wife's
bag never came, so we hadto you know, finally got it back
the next day and flying back forsome reason, because of all the fracas
that had ensued on Friday, theyhad canceled for some reason, my wife's
ticket but Martin, but not myticket for the flight to Yeah, so

(54:50):
Monday morning we were sort of atthe end of our own rope. We
were having our own crisis of fate, screaming at the the American Airlines agent
that serves as David Burton from thatperson effective. But I mean, thank
goodness for you know, the technologythat have, like the pre check in
where you know, they email yousometimes be like, hey, check it
before your flight, because that's howwe realized that I had gotten one but
she hadn't, so we were ableto get her back on the flight.

(55:14):
Everything worked out well flying back intoNew York. But yeah, it was
I mean, I think the juicewas definitely worth the squeeze, and that
the weekend was super fun and itwas so great getting to meet so many
people, including Joanne. But Imean, Friday was definitely the most hillacious
travel day I have ever had.I was very much feeling like Norah Jamison
and that or Nora, Norah Durston, Matt Jamison in that regard. Yeah,

(55:36):
and kudos kudos for like sitting outand making it through. It's again,
Collie and I were a long distancewhen she was in New York and
I was here for a long time, so we've traveled two and from New
York, I came and count howmany times in LaGuardia and that whole area.
Like I just we've been through hell. And it's kudos kudos or for
making it through that because it isnot a fun experience whatsoever. But we're

(56:00):
glad you're here because it was afun weekend, ye of them. Absolute
um uh, Jackie, it tookyou. It was really difficult for you
to get here to you right,Its like a twenty minute drive. I
think, well there was a therewas an accident. I had to wait.
It was I mean, it tooklike it took me an extra five
minutes. Um, I almost atthat point, I was starving, had

(56:22):
nothing to eat. It was itwas bad. I mean, let me
take out the tiniest violin out ofits case and then I hit every red
light. So uh. Back toJoean's email here more to the actual storyline,
I agree that it would be veryinteresting to see how the writers can
pull this all together in four episodesthat they seemed to be expanding questions and

(56:43):
issues left to be resolved. SorryJack, but I do not believe Evie
was real, just part of Kevin'sprojections. I also do not think that
the guilty Remnant has anything to dowith the machine, and that it's a
real radiation machine whether it works ornot, much like the questions of an
afterlife a one way street, sothere's no idyn't know if it really works,
but I believe the two Dutch scientistsbelieve it does work, which made

(57:05):
the comments about not knowing where itsends you and if you are alive when
you get there very interesting and it'sinsightful Joe, and sorry Joe, end
that you're wrong. She does bringup a good point, though, I
mean, in Our Lives show wesort of talked about how we were asking,
you know, when they asked thatquestion about killing the baby to prevent

(57:25):
cancer, which I think Matt mightwant to do at this point. But
we were wondering, like, sincewe've had two people answered differently and still
both get them quote unquote wrong,was it less so the actual answer more
so than the way you answered it. Maybe what Joan is alluding to here
that the Dutch scientists sort of threwout this idea that like, oh,
we have no idea it actually works. Maybe that's another lure to throw out

(57:49):
there on the proverbial fishing line,to see how people perspective people to send
through the machine might react to that. Well, didn't she say that during
the podcast that maybe men have toanswer a certain way and women have to
answer a different way. That maybe, but I still think there was there's
no machine, it's just the grmessing with them. We may we may
never find out with only three opisades. Let I don't think we're ever going

(58:12):
to find out. I think thatmachine is gone. I think it's clear
that we're spending the rest of therest of the series out in the outback.
I think getting back to our ormore natural roots. So I think
that was an interesting examination about thisidea of like, if you had an
opportunity to, you know, beable to see what's on the other side,
how far would you go to dothat? But I think now that

(58:34):
we've sort of seen that and thestakes that Nora would go through, and
it's clear that she's still not overthe loss of her family, now we
can sort of move on from thatwith the weight added on to her character.
Agreed. Um, let's go thisnext email here from Jamie. Hey,
guys head fun listening to the livepodcast. Wish I could have been
there. Now My thoughts on GoodDate Melbourne. Actually for the Life podcast.

(58:54):
Maybe next time we do the nextyear we do the Ja Jeck meet
up West World, we'll be backon Maybe we'll have another chance. Um
it was now my thoughts on Mike, you want to you might want to
leave like a weekend. Yeah,I know I was gonna say, I
might have to take a stage coachdown there. Um. Now my thoughts

(59:14):
on Good Day Melbourne. What anuncomfortable episode, as if we didn't even
see it coming. Kevin and Noragive each other the emotional bitch slap we've
been waiting for in the same episodefour Orange Sticker of season two, Patty
tells Kevin what you and Nora havethat's not love, it's damage control.
Score one for Patty. Also inthe same so, Kevin finally acknowledges Patty,

(59:37):
only for her to give him theold rick roll. It seems like
in this week's episode he ricked rolledhimself, so kind of score two for
Patty. Uh. And the scenewith Lorie letting Kevin know that he was
indeed losing it. Great scene,taking a much kinder note than when Patty

(59:57):
let Kevin note he was indeed losingit. I don't to kill myself.
Well, you're certainly entitled to youropinion. Yeah, yeah, Patty,
we get it. You win thegame. Also, can I just add
how much I love the music choicesfor this show. The theme score is
amazing and every tune they add inbetween is in perfect harmony. Seriously,
no pun intended with the emotion ofthe partnering scene. I love the juxtaposition

(01:00:20):
of this week's choices. Most tunesthis week were in such astounding contrast to
what the emotional moment was taking placethat it left my skin feeling itchy.
I think it really made you feelthe disconnect that Kevin and Nora were experiencing,
as if I was on the relationshipChoco being block fantastic looking for the
next week later tators Jamie, Jamie, I think you need to get something

(01:00:44):
for that skin itching. I don'tknow if that's associated with the scoreber.
I agree that the soundtracker is fantastic, but if you have those sort of
weird psychosmatic effects, that might bespeaking to something a little more deeply.
I'm no Laurie, but that's justmy prognosis. Maybe he just saysn't a
version two? Aha, I don'tknow, and brings up a great point

(01:01:04):
that you know, we talked beforein the previous podcast about how we've had
the Never Gonna Give You Up,and both the Never Gonna Give You Up
and Take On Me eighties schlocky popsongs were used to effect in episode four
of the second and third seasons,respectively. Well, I will say that
I think Take On Me is afantastic pop song, where is Never Gonna

(01:01:25):
Give You Up as kind of acrappy pop song. That's just my personal
opinion, um, but it's funny. I watched La La Land again this
weekend and take On Me is inthat movie as well. It's all connected.
Oh I forgot because the one Iremembered was is this when spoiler for
La La Land? Is it whenRyan Reynolds is in that like eighties cover

(01:01:45):
bands playing that pool? Because Iremember I ran so far away, but
I didn't remember take on Yeah,and an elite singer is singing it poorly,
So I was like, Oh,there's gonna be another cover that they
played in this episode because there's adifferent Ryan Reynolds. Is that movie Gosling?
Um? But uh, but yeah, I would agree, like the
news courses are really good, um, and excited to see where it goes

(01:02:07):
from here. Uh so Jamie's inthe Patty uh for President camp here thinks
he really was? She was runningin the purgatorial universe. Um. This
next email is here from Ethan,So get ready, folks, Okay,

(01:02:27):
I'm ready. Hey guys. Ihave seen a couple of comparisons online to
the fight at the end of theepisode and the fight Tony and Carmela had
in White Caps. Um, thatwas an intense episode of the Sopranos.
That that was so realistic. Um, I can see it. We are
definitely looking at actors on that level. Uh, it is taking Kevin a

(01:02:49):
long time, and he cut wayharsher than he had to. He gave
her the truth plus extra. Ithink he had to do it for himself
too. He had to cut thechord. He said what needed to be
said, but he went the extramile with afraid you're going to give that
one away too? And how longbefore you move past it? But I
guess sometimes you have to hit yourpoint incredibly hard to get across with things
like then you should go be withthem or Ethan stop emailing the podcast.

(01:03:15):
I really wish we had Kevin comeout and say to her the things this
book happened to me. But he'sright. He couldn't tell her anything,
just that he needed three hampers.But couldn't even tell her that without getting
his balls busted. But this isa milestone in the series. Just like
in Whitecaps, the Kevin Nor relationshiphas not departed. It's dead any more.

(01:03:38):
Speculation of the radiation zapping is playingin a Damon's hands. It's the
reddest of all herrings and I don'tthink it will play into the ending of
the show at all. Have agood week, Ethan, ps. Don't
hate looking at you, Mike.Oh No, no hate at all.
This week, Ethan, I completelyagree. We were just talking about how
the fact that I think the radiationelement of it all is dead and buried,

(01:04:02):
its half life has expired. AndI think he brings up a good
point as well about how you know, Kevin should on paper say hey,
like this stuff actually having me,this is the experience that I had.
But like we talked about, himand Nora don't have the best track record
or she doesn't have the best trackrecord reacting well to those things, considering

(01:04:23):
what she did after he said thathe had seen Patty. I think Kevin
one of the reasons why they hadthat fight is that he feels like he
can't really confide in her as muchas he thought he could in the beginning
of season two when they were emittingsecrets to each other. He can't admit
too no, no way, AndI hate the fact that two weeks and
I've agreed with Ethan well not tomention it almost correlates with Matt's whole story

(01:04:47):
during the middle part of this mostrecent episode, with the guy getting pushed
overboard. It's this idea of likeyou've experienced something, you've seen something,
you think it's the capital T truth, but like the captain tells him,
like there are no witnesses. Isso your story is not exactly true to
me, and so you have tofigure out, you know, can you
pass things off as the truth whenpeople have not outwardly experienced it. I

(01:05:10):
mean, that was the whole thingwith Matt's narrative in season two, right,
It was like, I did notsexually assault my wife. She happened
to like come alive for this onenight and then I got her pregnant.
Nobody believed him until she finally wokeup. Yep, some of us still
don't believe him. But that's justoh thaniculous. Um let's go wait wait,

(01:05:30):
so so you're saying, so Nora, you're saying you don't believe me,
Nora? That what you're saying.No, I'm not You're not You're
not Nora. Now, okay,that's fine, I'll take that out.
Oh that's ridiculous, take on me, take all right. Um, we
got an email from Jamie for thisweek's episode. Um so to see I

(01:05:55):
mean, where scores Patty gets thisweek? Um? Hi again, Well,
this episode was interesting. There areso many similarities to this season's episode
five and season two's episode five NoRoom at the End, that I could
be here all day, so Iwon't compare every point first off. For
whatever reason, both seasons episode fivewere a chock full of Wiener wiggling,

(01:06:17):
great use of alliteration, seriously seeminglyno ends, all the Wieners moving on.
Both episode five, season two andthree were a Matt in place of
job episodes, endless tests, endlesscomplications. In No Room at the End,
Matt's faith seems to have been putin full effect, giving him strength

(01:06:40):
and keeping him in the forward motion, pushing him to repent. In It's
Matt times four world, his facestarts out strong, but the tests seem
to deplete him, as his faithseems to be fading and it seems as
though repenting is out of question.Another note. In both of these episodes,
animals played a part in smiting thosewho have opposed Matt in his mission.

(01:07:00):
Season two, it was the goatscausing the car accident that killed the
man who robbed him of his wristband. In this episode, the lion killed
God himself. Like I said,there are many others, but these stood
out to me and was I theonly one who was waiting for Matt to
say? What about me? Sucha last moment? What about me?

(01:07:21):
There's my luck? Thanks guys,until next week, Jamie. What are
the chances that Matt is like thebeast Master? Then? Because he has
controlled the goats, he has apparentlycontrol of the lions. Is Matt going
to be the one too? Iknow Kevin Senior was hallucinating about this arc
being built when he was at Grace'splace. But could Matt possibly be the

(01:07:43):
Noah figure series? Maybe? Maybe? Who knows? All right, well,
those are our emails. We havesome phone calls to the into so
gentlemen, what do you say weget into those? Let's do it all
right? Here we go, Hey, Jane Jackson's this brand in Chicago.
I have a crackpot theory for theleftovers. I think that on the seventh

(01:08:06):
anniversary, everybody in Miracle City willdisappear. So last time the original departure
seven years ago, nobody, nobodydisappeared. I think this time it'll be
the exact opposite. Um. Whatsay you, hey, jan jack It's

(01:08:28):
Brack from Indiana. UM calling inabout episode three h five, the Mats
episode. UM really enjoyed this one. H. There were some times where
I was really us much like thelast couple of episodes, really wondering where
the heck they were going, andI think the payoff at the end was
was pretty incredible. UM. Thisthis entire episode, I think stems from

(01:08:56):
philosophy that a lot of people don'tlike. It's one that I adhere to.
Um as well. As a psychologyprofessor, I had one of the
things that I really feel about humansis um that this thing that we uh,
that we call altruism really doesn't exist. If you really pear it down,

(01:09:16):
Altruism is something that doesn't exist atall. And I think that God
Uh kind of let Matt know thathe had been hiding his entire life behind
this notion of altruism, that hethat Matt gained his his positive self regard

(01:09:38):
and his being life by supposedly givingof himself and sacrificing. But in all
honesty, what Matt really was doingwas he was wanting to be sane as
a good person. He was wantingto be seen as us what we consider
as human, to be an altruisticperson. But really that's if you look

(01:10:00):
at it from a different perspective.He's actually being incredibly egotistical. He's being
very egocentric that he wants to bethis type of person, and therefore he's
actually, by what it appears tobe giving away his time and his resources,
he's actually gaining what he wants fromthat. And it really, in
my opinion, if you really getdeep into thinking about you know, the

(01:10:25):
uh you know, as added wouldsay, getting meta about it. If
you look at altruism, the deeperyou get, the more you realize that
it just can't exist. Because evenif you do something that you absolutely have
that horror, you are doing itbecause you feel that, you know,
there's a cognitive dissonance inside of youand you should be doing it, or

(01:10:45):
you want the bad feeling of doingsomething for someone else when actually that's the
feeling that you're looking for. Soit's one of those, you know,
rapid holes that you know you can'tdig yourself out of. You just keep
digging. And as my one ofmy all time psychological heroes, Homer Synsor
said, you know, dig upsdo, but you can't dig up on

(01:11:08):
this one. You'd keep digging deeperand deeper when you start thinking about this,
but absolutely love the fact that Ithink Damon was coming at us with
this notion of you hide it behindthis veil, this persona, this mask.
I am a good person. Iwant you to believe I'm a good
person. All right, thank youfor those calls, and it just brybody

(01:11:29):
does call it. I think itcaps the call at three minutes, So
if you're getting close to that threeminute mark, just realize it might stop
the call. And if you stillwant to have given stuff, you can
just call back after that. Butanyway, sorry, let's jump into these
calls. I mean, the Bradsprovided some good material here from both Chicago
and Indiana representing the Midwest. Um, I mean, Brad from Indiana brought
up this great point that we weresort of dancing around beforehand about this idea

(01:11:54):
that altruism might not necessarily exist andthat again, non to spoil the end
of Breaking Bad too much. Butyou know, when you have Walter White's
final scene when he's with Skyler andsaying, you know, Skyler says,
oh, you're gonna go on yourwhole spield though, how you did all
this for the family, and hesays, no, I did this for
myself. I did this to makemyself feel good. I think that's matt

(01:12:14):
sort of realization as well, isthat he may think he's doing everything for
the good of the community and thegood of his congregation, but he was
doing it more so to feel goodthat at the end of the day,
he wasn't necessarily working for the goodwill of others, but more so his
own benefit as a result from thegood will of others. And of course,
you know, I gotta love acall that references a Simpsons episode,
and actually a dig up stupid wasfrom the episode of The Simpsons that did

(01:12:38):
a parody of It's a mad,mad Mad mad world. Whoa oh yeah,
so many connections? No, really, yeah, the home of the
Vigilante. Well, there you go, nice nicely, dent Brad nicely?
Then? I don't know Brad realizedit, No, did he? Maybe?
I think it's brat Well, Bradfrom Chicago's theory is better than any

(01:13:02):
Jacks Packer theories this season. Ithink I'll be Do you think I'll do
a miracle? Are going to disappear? Oh? Is that a hard No?
That's a hard no, Mike,what do you think? I'm sorry?
Brad's not happening. I mean,it's just tough because that one makes
sense. But again, since mostof our main characters are down in Australia,

(01:13:24):
is there any sort of narrative significanceor is there a lesson significance now
that those characters are away from Jardinwhere don't you feel like that had more
of an emotional impact of like Johnand Lorie were still there, for example,
and then Matt and Nora and Kevinfind out that they're gone. Now
it's sort of like, oh no, Tommy's gone, Eric is gone,
maybe jail, depending on if shegoes still goes to college in the town.

(01:13:45):
I can understand. I can understand, like gone, oh no,
they're turning into people and eating sandwiches. The end of times are truly near.
I think it would be a fun, sort of ironic way to end
the series. But a and sincenow we've now diverted our attentions away from
Texas, I just wonder if it'sworth it to go back to that.
Well, yeah, I just don'tcare. I don't I don't care if

(01:14:12):
they go back. I think we'rewhat we've done, We're done with miracles.
I don't think we're all done withit, So why go back to
it? I don't know, becausewe love miracle miracles. A cool place,
no cool happening place. No really, that's that it's got the life
size that the large balloon of GaryBusey. That's a happening place. Pretty

(01:14:33):
cool, pretty hipped down. Allright? We got two more phone calls,
well it's a three phone calls,but again I think we hit the
three minute limit and had a calland just kind of finish out their thoughts
and then another one after that,So let's jump into those now, Hey,
Jay, Jack and Mike Michael callingfrom Los Angeles. Just a few

(01:14:54):
thoughts on this episode. Um,the French dialogue at the beginning, I
hope we have someone that can translatethat because I'd be interested in knowing what
they were saying. As I waswatching that, I was like, what
does this have to do with theleftovers, which I find myself experiencing a

(01:15:14):
lot. And then I remember,you know, the explosion and the canceled
flights. I guess for some reason, I was thinking those flights were it
was like specific to Australia, likethe like the explosion happened in Australia or
some kind of terrorist attack in Australia. Not to be the dead horse,
but I do feel like the lastcouple of episodes demonstrate how strong the writing

(01:15:38):
on the show can be. TheNora and Kevin episode was really interesting and
gripping, and and this one too. I just feel like everything that happened
in the episode, you know,you just wanted to see what happened next,
as I just did a really goodjob of of hooking you and taking

(01:15:59):
on this journey. And I domaintain that I think the Crazy White Fellaw
episode will be one of the lowpoints. UM. I thought this episode
was really funny. I thought therewere a lot of laugh out loud moments,
whether intentional or not. The wholeconversation with God was hilarious. UM.
I think I think, you know, he meant it sincerely, but

(01:16:23):
some of the answers that he gaveI just couldn't help but laugh at.
UM. I think the similarities betweenJohn Locke and Matt Jamison are are even
more solidified. You know, frombefore, I found myself feeling more for
Matt, and I think maybe it'sbecause he was so kind to marry,

(01:16:44):
you know, even even in herstate. UM, and that he believes
in God, whereas I think Johnbelieved in the magic of the Island.
Um. I think it's interesting tosee Laurie and Matt square off because we
really haven't seen them interact since seasonone, when you know, she was
blowing a whistle in his face.So it's interesting that they reference that because

(01:17:06):
it's been so long for those two. It's just we didn't know exactly how
they both felt about everything, orat least at least Lolarie how she feels
about things, and we got tosee that. I hope we get to
see more about how Lily was givenaway by Nora. I'd be really interested
in that. And I think movingforward with these final episodes, we're gonna

(01:17:29):
see some more montages to speed uptime if they want to get more accomplished
and more story told. If not, I think that we're gonna the final
episode will be, you know,the seventh anniversary. Hi again my phone,

(01:17:49):
Los Angeles. Just finishing that lastthought. Then I think the final
episode will take place on that seventhanniversary of the part. Sure, And
then I had one other question,were you guys still gonna do another podcast
about last week's episode? So Iknow at the end of the you know
the live YouTube episode that you weregonna you mentioned you were gonna do another

(01:18:14):
one, but I didn't see it. I need my Jay and Jack and
Mike sleep. Thank that, Hey, j, Jack and Mike, this
is Scarlett. This episode of TheLeftovers was by far my favorite of the
season. It felt so loaded andlayered and really strange. I loved it.

(01:18:36):
Something I noticed during this episode isthe motif of whistles. First one
Matt called Lorie, I'm sorry,when Matt asked Lorie if she brought her
whistle to blow off some steam.Then when Matt jumps overboard and the staff
number blows his whistle. And lastlywhen Matt speaks the word frazier and the
line lady blows her weird giant whistle. Maybe Dean was right and dogs have

(01:18:59):
taken over and communicate regularly via whistles. Who knows. Regardless, I thought
it was interesting in a weird thingto come up multiple times. God made
his debut appearance, which was prettycool. I found mass reaction to David
Burton to be pretty comical because he'sso adamant that Kevin is the Messiah,
yet he's furious that Burton is blasphemyand claiming to be something similar. I'm

(01:19:21):
sure you guys will be aware ofthe fact that Burton wasn't the hotel when
Kevin died, which signified that Burtonwas actually dead and came back to life.
This is not an insignificant detail becauseit shows that other people besides Kevin
can rise from the dead. Thisalso bodes well for Kevin in case he's
in the mood to where I drycleaner's bag over his head, since an
implizit resurrection can happen outside of MiracleTexas. Also, the details of Burton's

(01:19:45):
death seem to be comparable to someoneelse's. Who else in history do we
know of that died was taken toa cave and rose again. When the
captain asks Matt whether he has anypessing matters to attend to once he gets
to Australia, I think the reasonhe said no, even though he's been
dying to get Kevin back to Miracle. Maybe it's because he realized that Kevin
is potentially not the only person whohas experienced resurrection, and it's possible that

(01:20:09):
he's not the Messiah after all.I don't know if this is peaceful for
Matt or if it's devastating, butI think that's how he was feeling.
Also, I don't know if youguys noticed, but the book that Burton
had been reading the whole time iscalled Lonely on the Mountain by Louie and
the Moore. It's a Western abouta gang of three brothers who right out
to save one of their own who'sstuck in a faraway land. The book

(01:20:30):
itself, which has points of viewmultiple times. I don't know if it's
intentional, but learning that the bookhas similarities to this episode felt really meta
when I was reading reviews about thebook on Amazon. It's just fascinating.
Anyways, Thanks Agains for podcasting,and I'm so excited for the next week's
episode. All right, thank youfor the calls. Should we get Scarlet
as a fourth post? Seriously,it's some great research on her part.

(01:20:54):
That Lonely on the Mountain stuff.I only saw the author's name when I
was watching the episode, so Icouldn't pick out too much. But yeah,
that story seems to make sense.And there's also you know, a
nice other speaking of meta moment whenhe says, you know what happened to
my book, I threw it overboardand he says, oh, it was
just getting good and Matt says,well, you know how it ends.
And again that could be another momentspeaking towards us of like, maybe this

(01:21:15):
will have a similar ending as thebook itself. We're not entirely sure,
but yeah, a lot of stuffpacked in both of those calls. But
I guess focusing on Scarlet's this interestingidea that one of the maybe one of
the reasons why Matt is saying hehas no pressing business in Melbourne is now
that he knows the story of DavidBurton, he realizes that Kevin's not the
only person to pull this act ofcoming back, and therefore there might be

(01:21:39):
another and he doesn't necessarily need toget Kevin to Melbourne. Might be an
alternative take on why he doesn't feellike it needs to happen right now.
Now. Did Dave Burton when hewas in the on the other side,
did did he have to kill anybody? Or was he just there? Because
I mean he was he was justthere. He was almost serving as a

(01:22:00):
guide for Kevin because I remember he'she was the one who was on the
bridge in Jardan Uh you know,directing him to the well. And then
in the second time he came back, he was the guy sitting at the
bar who said, oh yeah,well, you know, let the cops
sing karaoke. So he seems Idon't know, he seems less of a
denizen in that regard and more oflike a well worn tourist. He seems

(01:22:21):
like a frequent turning because he presumablyhe's only died once. But does that
mean he's died many times where heknows it that well to be a guide,
Yeah, it's very possible. Oragain, he could have some other
worldly connection that might harken a littlebit to have his statements actually be true.

(01:22:41):
That would be going to the fishermanhe threw over now is it a
fisherman? Was it a guy thathe was? A fisherman found him?
Fisherman found the guy he throws overoverboard? Is it someone that can return?
Could be possible. It could Hecould be doing his own Grace Playford
thing and being like, oh isyour name Kevin Great, I'm gonna throw

(01:23:02):
you overboard? Yeah, I mean, could it be, but vigil thing
were Virgil kind of actually kind ofhelp guide Kevin into killing himself. But
why did he throw someone overboard?I mean, I guess the I guess
the crew knows that he's got kindof a temper. And what was his
enter to the sudden departure because hecould. I think it was just him
sort of saying like I think himtrying to represent God also sort of shows

(01:23:26):
how all powerful and random a higherpower it can be. And that's one
example of it. You know,it seems like this guy might have just
been in the wrong place at thewrong time. I don't want to put
too much stock into it because wedon't know obviously what the circumstances were,
but it could just be as easyas hey, you know what, I'm
the almighty yahweh, I can dowhatever I want. You go in the
water now, Okay. Yeah.Thoughts on Michael's call, Well, first,

(01:23:51):
I don't know how many how manymessages we sent back and forth with
each other about when we could record. Yeah, we we we tried.
We will admit that it's it was. It was a busy week. I
mean we you know, once wegot back to our respective lives, we
had to catch up on a bunchof things. And there's a lot of
other great stuff going on in theJane Jack Network as well as a results.

(01:24:14):
I know that Jay and I hadour respective studios a little clogged up
too, so it made things tough. Where have we to have addressed some
episode four things on here as well? And we do apologize for that.
What do you think about Michael's ideathat there will be a lot of montages
in the final three episodes to passthe time so that when we get to
that final day it can be onthe finale. Well, I mean,

(01:24:34):
if it's only like what three daysleft in their world and there's three episodes
left, like a day and episode, I think is still a lot of
time. If that's all it's goingto be like it ends with the seventh
the final episodes longer, isn't it. It's probably, well, we assume
it's going to be. I don'tknow if it's confirmed yet. Is it
confirmed anywhere? I don't know,because I know even with the West Wild

(01:24:57):
finale, they only confirmed it wasgonna be an hour and a half like
a week for the finale, right, Yeah, I thought I thought I
read or heard it, but maybeI'm wrong. We we kind of we
speculated last week if there would beI believe maybe that's where I heard it.
Um, you heard it from us. Um. Oh, then it's
definitely not happy. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Um, you know,
and then maybe have an epilogue afterwhatever happens, or it don't. I

(01:25:17):
mean it just you can see howit goes. Yeah, so I don't.
I don't think. I think onceit ends, it'll fade to whatever
it does, and that'll be itfade to black piano. Yeah, a
little journey. And I don't know. No, no, that's not that's
just just just just make happy.Um. Well, thank you everybody for

(01:25:40):
your feedback. A lot of greatfeedback this week. If you like,
call in for next week's It's threeor five three nine ern or Our email
is Leftovers JJ at gmail dot com. All right, it is now time
for the momentous occasion of every TVpost show that we do, and that's
Jack's crackpot Theory of the Week action, Jackson, do you have a crackrock

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theory for us? We know thebest. The best one was last last
week. I didn't have to giveone, you know, even though I
had a pretty good one during thisshow, I didn't have that worked.
Okay, all right, so thefinal scene. We're all kind of speculating
with the final scene is gonna beKevin's gonna be riding on a horse with
his girlfriend Nova and he's gonna seea destroyed statue of liberty. He's gonna

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go, damn you, dam allthe hell and that's how it's gonna end.
I mean Planet of the Dogs insteadof Planet of the Ape. Well,
I say that was that was thereboot where Mark Wahlberg lands where he
thinks is Washington, d C.But it ish the the Ape in Abraham
Lincoln seat instead of Abraham. Imean, you know what, you know,
it's just as good as the original. I think that's a running theme

(01:26:49):
of this podcast, right, anyremake is just as good as the original.
Ron same era that early two thousands, late nineties. I've watched that
once. Well in the theater,didn't we go to that? Jake the
theater? Because the guy behind us, his biggest complaint with the movie was,
it's just not believable talking apes.That's why I hate that. Literally

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he said that. As we werewalking out of the theater, I go,
really, that's your biggest complaints.That's that's just not gonna work for
you, all right, enough stallingthe jack. What is your crap rout
there of the week? Well,we had we see Nora as as later
on in life, an older Nora, and it looks like you remember I
was saying the radiation burns. Wewere thinking from the fake machine. I

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think there's gonna be a nuclear holocaust. There's gonna be I think they're just
setting us up for that, andI think Norah survives, but she has
some some scarring from it, Sothat's I think that's what's gonna I think
the world's gonna end. But theyabout this being a satisfying inning? Would
that be a satisfying inning? Justthey all blow it up, but not
everyone's gonna die, just but Norahwill survive. Okay, do you think

(01:27:59):
that this would all occur on theday itself? Was it that bad you
had to cut me off? Oh? No, No, I think I
think you cut off we us didn'tnotice, but just stop. But no,
what was your question, Mike?Uh? So you think that this
big nuclear cataclysm would occur on thefinal day on the anniversary. Yes,

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I think that's where they're setting usup. With the French guy setting off
in nuke. It's gonna someone's gonnago crazy and the whole to be like
war games. Everything's going crazy.So that's what's going to happen at the
end, and the final scene we'llsee it. We'll see that scene again
with Nora saying, no, Idon't know that's been depressing ending, though,
don't you feel well, it's beena pretty depressing show for the most
part, right, But but Ifeel like the ending to season two was

(01:28:46):
anything but depressing. So I know, oh, I know, we're looking
into way too much about this ideaof like, oh, will it be
a satisfying ending, and what exactlysatisfying means. This would be a very
bleak way to end things, whichis sort of like season one The Leftover's
m O. I could still sortof see it in the show's wheelhouse,
but I would not like that tobe the ending. Personal I'd be okay

(01:29:06):
with it because it's just I'd beright, so that'd make it even better
for me. But I just Ijust think that there's a reason why they
showed this French naked guy run aroundsetting off a nuke, So I think
that's what's gonna happen. Sorry,all right, the final scenes that we're
gonna see that scene again with Norariding her bike with the dubs and do

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you know Kevin? No? Allright, well we'll just have to wait
and see. But I hope thattheory Jack does not come true. What
if it does come true? Whatdo? What do I get? Um?
I don't know? What do youwant? I don't something. I
don't think of something. You gota couple of weeks you get Blues Brothers
two thousand on DVD? How aboutthat? Wow? I'm Jack. Actually

(01:29:56):
I'm hoping particular I'll get you theVHS cop you okay, because then I
wouldn't have to play it? Great? All right, Well that's we'll wrap
it up for this week's Leftovers withJay, Jack and Mike. If you'd
like to give as a call,you can do so at three to five
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about with Jeremiah on the Jane JackPodcasting Network. How is how is krry
Coon's story art going right now?In the Fargo universe? She's doing well.
I won't spoil too much, butI know I talked last week about
her big episode. She's still waspart of the main action this week,
not completely dedicated to her, butshe's still doing a fantastic job. And
Fargo itself is about to reach itshalfway point, so it's interesting counter sort

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of looking with how the two seasonsand respective shows are progressing, having a
lot of fun with that, andbrief plug for the Bloom family as well.
I know my wife was on thebroadcast this past week talking about all
the shenanigans from this past podcast weekendand more, and I cannot say enough
that amiss the travel difficulties. Itwas so so much fun getting to see

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people in person, getting to hangout at you know, Casa Jay,
getting to meet Jack in person forthe first time, getting to do that
live podcast. I had so somuch fun. I can't wait to do
it again with Westworld or whatever maycome in twenty eighteen. Yeah, that
was a That was a fun podcast, A lot of fun and Mike did
great at the trivia as well.If you've listened to our Patron's Choice Show,

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I supped in for the broadcasters crewand I hope the broadcasts win so
I will never live it down.Two out of the three blo on this
panel, help the broadcast team win. At least you're finally admitting it.
You know, sometimes you gotta yougotta, you know, help the wife
out. I'm just you know,there's other things you could you could have

(01:32:12):
butter Flowers. I didn't know therewere steals. I know we could steal
the questions. If I knew wecould steal, I wouldn't have given them
the answer. I was just tryingto be a It's the same every week.
I didn't it was Matt's game.He was making it up as he
went along. I didn't know therules. We blame Matto not to spoil
the ending of the quizof but forour patrons, it was the Patron's Choice
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Contribute whatever you can. It allgoes to help our podcasters and the

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production costs associated with make these fivepodcast At least The West Wing is leading
right now. Yeah, West Swingpot. I'm watching that for the first
time, so I'd be interested tohear your guys thoughts on it. Um.
I haven't seen The Western since itwas on since it aired, so
I might have to, like,you know, four or five times.

(01:33:18):
Um. So yeah, West Wingis leading right now. So for any
non patrons that love the Western gonnalike to hear us do a podcast about
it, well, it is agreat time to join the patreon fun.
UM also want to thank a coupleof special patrons, Attack from Tokyo,
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list of all of our patrons onour website chain Jack dot com that we
think. Um. You know,when you have a lot of people over
at your house, you can getreally messy, and I think one of
the few things that kind of keptour house in order was our awesome needo
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it than Amazon dot com. Sogo to Jane Jack dot com slash Amazon
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as your normal Amazon Jane Jack dotcom slash Amazon, and anything you buy
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We can we can make a latepush for that as a Patron's choice
show as well. That would bethat would be actually a fun podcast to
do. Oh AnyWho, um,Mike when? When is usually do later
in the season with rob On.Rob has a podcast for Survivor, Right,
is that coming up anytime soon?It will be I won't say when

(01:34:47):
it's officially announced, but it justmight be coming up soon. Oh awesome.
That's are some of my favorite Robhas a podcast episode, so we'll
don't build up your expectations too high. Oh, come on, it's awesome.
Any who, um, anything else, gentlemen before we go. I'm
looking forward to what the last threeare going to provide. And again,

(01:35:09):
we're in for a roller coaster rideof a season so far, and I
can't wait to see what the nexthill will provide. I can't be the
only one who was wishing we'd geta fourth season, and I'm the one,
and I'm the one that said theyshould have stopped it too. Yeah,
exactly. Just let's see how itends, and I think we will
be Okay, it's gonna be withthe explosion, and we're in the golden
age of TV right now. There'sno shortage of great TV shows to watch,

(01:35:30):
so let there. It's not asgood right now it was. There's
there's still a lot of great stuff. West World. West World. Bit
it doesn't come back for another tenyears. Will and Grace has come next
year, Will and Grace, Yeah, I had enough of that. One
was one talk about bad sequels.Anyways, that will do it for this

(01:35:53):
week's leftovers. We'll see you guysnext week. Austin Luego and goodbye bye, bye bye

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