The Leftovers with Jay, Jack + Mike: Ep. 3.02 "Don't Be Ridiculous"

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From Raleigh, North Carolina. It'sThe Leftovers with Jay and JM, a
podcast dedicade to HBOS The Leftovers.So sit back, relax, and enjoy
the show. Welcome to the Leftoverspodcast. My name is Jack and I'm
dancing for Joy and Welcome to theshow. Jay is here. Jay is

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here. You might hear him copyingand breathing, or what would you call
the breathing he's doing erratic, theerratic rattling. It's almost as if we'll
we're a little bit a little bitbehind the scenes info for our listeners out
here. Jay, over the courseof the week since we were recorded,
entered himself in this weird sort oftesting where a sitcom star from the eighties

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came to his house and told himabout this new process where he'd be able
to connect with the podcast that hadleft the Jay and Jack network. So
that's what he's undergone. There havebeen side effects that have result that we're
hoping to get Jay up in fightingcondition by next week, but for now
he is lurking behind the scenes dealingwith the unfortunate radiative side effects that have
come out of this experience. Andthere he is that I just I think

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I think we can hear of acough from beyond Beyond from the department said,
yeah, it's just gonna be Jackand I talking about this episode,
which was a fantastic episode. Itwas so strange, but I loved it.
And this shows how creatively audacious TheLeftovers is at its core. I

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mean, I say, it's probablyit might only be second to International Assassin
in terms of just playing weirdness goingon an episode of The Leftovers, but
it made me so excited. Imean, I love Nora Durst. I
love the noorders focused episode. Thiswas another one of those, but we
already got so many answers, butwe raised so many more questions at the
same time. But it was aninsane hour of television that I can't wait

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to break down. And you don'tmess with Nora's She has no heart.
I mean, she is she is, she is just going. She's in
so much pain. She's just she'sshe's it's been a rough time for Norah.
Cursed that she's you know, butits just I feel bad for but
her. I love her episodes.It's probably the best character on the show.

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Any heartbreak or hole in her heartthat was left as a result of
the increasing amount of depression in herlife has only just been tattooed over by
a Woo Tang clan tattoo. Sonow that we're seeing Nora on the other
side, we're starting to see,you know, her don't give an f
attitude. Specifically at the end ofthis with the whole pillarman saga. It'll

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be interesting to see again if we'recomparing Nora to when we saw her at
the end of the first episode,if she really is this Sarah. Now
that we know how she gets toAustralia, perhaps it'll be interesting to sort
of track this journey now over thecourse of the next six episodes to see
exactly how she gets there. Yeah, like I said, I really enjoyed
this episode. Even the second timeI watched it was still intense and still

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picking up a few things I didn'tsee catch the first time. But anyway,
if you like this show, andwho doesn't, there's other shows on
the Jane Jack Podcast. We haveFargo Fargoes here and Mike do you know
anything about this Fargo podcast? Oh? I do you bet Youah? Yeah,
so Jeremiah Panhorse and I that asyou can tell, I am struggling
with that accent. But I hopeevery episode of Farargo I can work closer
and closer to it. You andMcGregor, a British afterward, does a

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better job at the accent than me. So that's definitely And I be honest,
I had to look it up.I go, who is this guy?
You didn't do? You know,you didn't know who you and McGregor
was, or he didn't recognize you, and I didn't recognize him because you
know, he had he had myhaircut. So I was looking at who
is this guy? And I'm notgoing, I go, oh, you're
kidding me? Oh oh, no, Jack, you have like fabio hair

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compared to what you and McGregor wearsin that that Ray Argus filch like rat
weave that he has on. Butyeah, Jeremiah Horse and I are covering
the thurs season of Fargo, whichalso just premiered last week. We did
our first episode recap. You canfind that on the main Jane jackfeed,
but on our dedicated feed at Fargowith Jeremiah and Mike. We'll also take

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feedback for that as well, Soif you watch the episode on Wednesdays or
Thursdays, we usually record Thursday night, and you want to send us questions
or thoughts about the episode, youcan reach out to us at Fargo with
mj at gmail dot com. AndI mean, I am definitely have no
sort of complaints right now concerning thatI get to talk about two of the
best shows on TV right now forthe Jane Jack Network and what I like

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about it because people are asking,if you haven't seen season two, can
you watch season three? And Isaw season one, didn't see season two,
and I've watched the first episode anddidn't mess a beat, so's it's
like a completely different series. Yeah, So what I will say is that
Fargo functions as an anthology series ina way, much like something like American
Horror Story or American Crime Story,Our American Blank Story. Ryan Murphie apparently

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has a pattern when it comes tonaming these series, but they take,
you know, a different cast andtell a different story in a different time
period and roughly the same area.I will say that seasons one and two
are kind of connected in that thereare characters in which their prequel forms exist
in season two. Season three seemsto be apparently extremely distant from the other

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two, So I say, ifyou want to find a time to jump
into Fargo, now would be thetime to do so. Though I will
warn if you want to go backand watch seasons one and two at any
point in time. Jeremiah and Ido dip our toes occasionally without hopefully plunging
our heads in like Kevin does PoliceChief Kevin at the end of the episode.
Here into spoilers from the first coupleof episode seasons because we want to

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compare and contrast, So just fairwarning to that. But I'd say now
there's only been one episode so far, now as the time to get into
Fargo. Really like the premiere,really excited to see where it goes from
here. And if you like TheLeftovers, there's an actress that has a
crossover is Fargo. Yeah, theone and only Carrie Kon, who's we're
going to talk a lot about overthe course of this podcast. This particular

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one plays one of the main rolesin The Leftovers are in Fargo as well,
which makes me super excited. Sheplays this sort of like Marge Gunderson
analog if you remember, if youremember that role from the movie I'm trying
to I'm blanking right now and whoplayed her, but the sort of like
good natured cop protagonist, and she'sdone a great job with it so far.

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She hasn't done any policing yet,but I'm excited to see when she
actually does. But yeah, this, this is the Carrie con renaissance,
and I'm so happy to be ina front row seat to really witness all
of it. What I like ismy wife is watching Fargo with me.
She goes, you watch the strangeshows. But she goes, oh,
wait, isn't that the girl thatplays is in Leftover? I go,
yeah, So then I'm watching theLeftovers. She goes, hey, wait,
what show is that girl in?I go, I go, Fargo.

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Oh that's right. Anyways, speakingof Leftovers actors appearing in other things.
I don't know if you've seen thisweek's Veep Jack, I have,
Yes, I have, miss somiss Amy Brennaman, Laurie Garvey or maybe
Laurie Murphy. Nick concerning the timejump forward, was not on this week's
Leftovers, but she was on thisweek's VP playing I think it was she

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was the president of Smith College.I believe I won't spoil anything, but
if you haven't checked out Veep,it's, in my opinion, one of
the best comedic ensembles on television today. So Amy Brennaman, just like your
wife said, Jack could be areason why you make a transfer over to
veep. There you go, andshe actually liked a tweet that we put
out. Unfortunately, a couple ofdays later I realized I posted the link
to the Survivor podcast. Maybe she'sa Survivor fan. So there we go.

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on with a show. This isit all right, it's leftovers recap

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time. We start off with thetheme song. Now, last week we
talked about what exactly the theme songmight be. We got it. Maybe
this episode with the images of fromseason two. I believe it was.
It was the exact same run ofseason two, but instead of that delightful
twangy season two song, we gotthe Perfect Strangers theme Now, Jack,
I had almost made a joke aboutit last week and in previous podcasts that

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I would love to see the PerfectTrainers motif re turn, and it turns
out it did in full force.I think you get I think you get
a tally point for that. Ithink I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'm
gonna have a couple of talent pointsto Milly. I'm gonna I'm gonna tooot
my own horn because a couple ofmic predictions came true. Do not do
not kill me as a legitimate source. Though, moving forward, I think
that this might be the only timethat I'm really running hot with the prediction

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game on The Leftovers, the onlyone. If you get one right,
that's like winning the World Series superBowl, it doesn't matter, and carry
you through a whole series. Igot that ring, yes, all right.
So in the middle of the night, we have the pillar man in
Jardin fall off of his perch.The next day, his wife Sandy,

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who some might remember played by BrettButler. She is the woman who in
Matt's big episode of season two,was camped outside of Jardin asked Matt to
break an or over her son whileyelling the name Brian to get the money
for him and Mary to go throughthe back channels back into Jardin. She's
being interviewed by Nora, being askedall the questions because she claims her husband

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has departed and talks about how hisundying devotion to God made him suffer as
a coping mechanism, and after countlessconfessionals with other town members who give the
exact same story, Nora goes tovisit a bloodied Matt, who admits that
the pillar Man actually had a heartattack and his wife secretly approached Matt to
give him a Christian burial. Soit seems like Nora is finally back to

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doing her job after you know,taking a leave of absence, even though
she did had that momentary period whereshe asked Erica the questions last season.
I do like how she when shegets to Matt, Matt's obviously in pain
because you know Mary has left him. You know she's taken the baby.
She's out, she spoke and she'sgone, and here's poor Matt. He's
cleaning up his blood and he's madea promise to this woman that he won't

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say and she goes, all right, don't lie to me. Okay,
let's go dig him up. Shejust she just got the ball rolling there
that she was not going to takeany crap this episode. Yeah, Norah
coming up, especially in these coupleof scenes, is gonna have a very
las fair slash kind of sarcastic attitudetowards almost everything. We're going to talk
about. Her reaction, specifically tothe Book of Kevin coming up. There

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was something I noticed that actually readit kind of pontificated on a bit.
So Matt had a bloody nose.I know, it's just one bloody nose,
but what do you think about thefact that maybe Matt was obviously in
poor health when he was a kid, he had leukemia. What if in
his family leaving, what if Allahbreaking bad it almost came back. Huh,

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you didn't think about that. It'sa great point. Again, it's
just one bloody nose, but Ifeel like it might lead a trail of
blood quite literally to another diagnosis forMatt and maybe the you know, you
need to get her back into townis more than just you know, a
prophecy for her. It's more sotied into him as well, that if

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they're gone, he's going to sufferas a result. I do like the
fact when Matt asked about the bookor noris that I'm staying out of it,
and Matt shot yes, because Norahhas an opinion for everything, and
he just gets I don't care.So Nora and Kevin visit the Pillar to
collect Pillar man's belongings. In talkingwith Kevin, it's clear that Nora is
hesitant to believe the departure story,especially after talking with Mad and learning that

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it quite literally is not true.Simultaneously, she is mocking Kevin for his
new role as an apparent messiah.In her conversation with him and with John
Murphy, it's revealed that looks likeKevin, when faced with that choice last
week to give that book a nicelittle bonfire over the garbage can or to
keep it, it looks like hekept it, which means that I think

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he's buying into the game just atiny bit. But Nora, again,
having this sort of don't give anf attitude, hops off the pillar and
starts making fun of this sort ofshrine that has been made to the Pillar
Man, and Kevin urges her tobe quote unquote calm and nice. I
didn't say this at the top,Jack, but what did you think about
the tragic death of the Pillar Man, who quite literally was a pillar figure

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in season two? In our introductionto Jardin, I just thought it was
kind of funny because you got GaryBusey inflatable balloon behind him, and you
have that ridiculous balloon and then theguy falls. I thought it was funny.
I know, I'll take maybe takesome heat. Oh well, I
mean he didn't speak, so itwould have been funny. If he fell
into the Gary Busey balloon and poppedit, that would have been That would

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have been a lot better. No, no, again, that might have
broke his fall though, Well yeah, hard Gary Busey saves him. Well,
he had a heart attack. SoI don't know if any sort of
padding will say, I don't.I don't think it was the fall that
killed him. I'm pretty sure hedied from about, you know, thirty
feet up. Maybe maybe he grabbedan aspirin on the way down, right.

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A couple couple, yeah, acouple of tums to, you know,
is the heart faint? I meanthat would be two birds with one
stone, right, I mean,you get rid of the Moses like figure
in Town. You also get ridof that really creepy but really funny Gary
Busey statue. But maybe you andI are just being like callous Nora as
to all of this that we're laughingat this man's I blame it on Nora
because that's how she That's how shemade me feel this whole episode. That's

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her coping mechanism in a way,much like Sandy smokes, and Nora's going
to smoke later. So Nora finallygets her cast off, but the situation
quickly becomes awkward with the doctor whenhe brings up something that he heard about
her apparently slamming her arm in acar door as if to intentionally cause injury.
Nora sort of shrugs this out,and on the way out, she

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receives a mysterious call from Mark LynnBaker, who she doesn't recognize the name
at the time, but he isspeaking on quote unquote behalf of a third
party, and he sort of dropsthe ominous question that we heard in the
preview trailer, which is would youlike to see your kids again? Nora's
immediately incredulous to all this. We'veseen all the phone calls she's taken over

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the past couple of seasons, butMark encourages her to meet him at a
hotel in Saint Louis in the nexttwenty four hours to find out more.
So we talked about this during thetheme song, but who wo started looking
from the be ridiculous? Who onearth would have actually thought that Mark Linn

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Baker would make a return cameo afterthat sort of like, you know,
one second joke in the second seasonabout him hiding out in Mexico. It's
just perfect. I mean, Idon't need Hi hunt here, perfect stranger,
but it was a perfect it justto bring him in there was this
perfect because you know, he's hefaked his own departure, because you know,
he was the one of the fourcast members that didn't depart, and

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so he's feeling. Of course,Norah had the same part. You know,
her husband and two kids departed,and so you have that whole thing
going on. But I want togo back to Norah's cast At least we
got an answer to that. Howshe broke her arm. But have you
ever had a cast I or heardcast on? Oh yeah, I broke
my wrist when I was doing ashow when I was a freshman year in
high school. That's the only timeI broke in a bone. But yes,

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I did have a cast on forabout a month now. I've had
a cast on my foot, legand my wrist. I broke my wrist
too, And the first thing Idid was when they took that cast off,
was arm just scratched, scratched myleg and my leg was all white.
That was because you know, youhave a cast on, no sun
light or no nothing. So Iwant to call him out there was her

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arm looked normal. Yeah, maybeshe's got like a UV light down there
because she doesn't get the Texans suntanning it. So maybe she was trying
to, you know, color ita bit to match the rest of her
skin. Though I believe in thefirst episode she had trouble scratching it,
which Kevin had to help her with. We also don't know we've gotten a
little bit more of a sense ofthe timetable with the past three years,

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at least with some of the eventsset into place, but we don't exactly
know how long Nora has had thecast, which I guess the plan of
action for her was what she gotthe tattoo and sort of an impulsive moment,
and then she thought, okay,I need to cover this up,
so then she broke her arm almostimmediately afterwards. That's what I would think.
I thought she had the cast fora month, Okay, so yeah,

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then the tattoo would have been amonth ago. Then yeah. But
could you imagine just taking a doorcard or and slamming your own your own
wrist in the door. I mean, could you imagine wearing a bulletproof vest
and hiring someone to shoot you inthe chest? I don't know. I
couldn't. No, I guess Icouldn't, so hopefully have good aim.
But she's still in pain, she'sstill suffering. I mean, you don't

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you feel bad for her? ButI just but she's She's had a great
poker face with the doctor actor.She was why on God's Earth while I
do that? And walked out.That's the thing about Norah Derson why I
love her as a character is becauseon the surface, she seems so fine
with literally everything. I mean,like the first season, for instance,
when Jill was being uh, youknow, a little minx at the dinner

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table when she was first kind ofseeing Kevin, and Jill was you know,
trying to snoop into her business andtalking about like, oh, you
know, you have a gun inyour car, and Nora was like,
yeah, I do, here itis, and she seemed like super cool
with everything. But then it turnsout that, as I mentioned before,
she has a sort of vice whereshe needs to get shot in the chests
in order to sort of relieve that, you know. Second season, Kevin
tells her, Hey, I've beenseeing the spirit of Patti Levin. She's

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sitting right over there. Nora's like, okay, all right, that's fine.
Next day, she takes off withthe kid and refuses to talk to
Kevin until that problem gets solved.Nor is this really interesting character and that
you think she's sort of made ofteflon and is able to sort of take
anything that gets thrown her way.But it turns out she's much more of
a vulnerable person than you initially think, and you really see it in this
episode, especially towards the end.Yeah, because I think I just finally

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I think she finally crumbled under allthe pressure and not to mention, you
know, there habit again, quacksthat have called her in the past about
this family stuff. But I mean, what Mark lind Baker is going to
do might seem ludacris on the surface, but it might be the closest that
she comes to actually seeing the peoplethat left her, even though she has
sort of moved on and raised herown family. The lily stuff is a

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reminder that from her point of view, she's Nora cursed. As you mentioned,
she really cannot move on from herfaith that she's been saddled with,
and maybe that's one reason why shereally pursues this. At the end of
the day. Yeah, I thinkI think she will, all right,
so Norma. So Nora makes aquick call to the DSD, and here
we get a cameo from her oldfriend George Brevity, the Daniel Baldwin of

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the Murray Brothers, who to discusswho Mark Linn Baker is. George,
your minds both Nora and the audiencethat Mark lind Baker was a member of
the cast of Perfect Strangers. InOctober fourteenth, it was believed that it
was believed initially that all four maincast members, that is, Mark Linn
Baker, Brunson, Pinchot. Ithink it was Melanie Wilson and Rebecca Arthur
had all departed, but later investigation, there was a throwaway joke again in

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season two on the TV that MarkLinn Baker had been discovered in hiding in
Mexico he had faked his departure.So after getting that information, Nor comes
home to find Kevin quote unquote diddinga new shirt, though again we know
it's less so about the shirt forhim and what the shirt comes in,
in particular, a certain bag sheannounced is an impromptu Saint Louis trip for

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work and gets in some good naturedMessiah ribbing before she leaves. The Nora
Kevin stuff. This episode is sostrange. She treats him in such a
weird way this episode, and likethey only have like three conversations, but
she's she's is she teasing him oris she trying it? Is she serious?
Well? I think I mean it'salso the claim that you know every

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joke or every time you say justkidding, there's a certain amount of sincerity
and truth to it, but it'salmost one of those things where like she'll
she'll throw something out and gauge Kevin'sreaction, and it's clear that Kevin himself
is maybe sober against this whole ideaof the position he's been hoisted upon her.
Even later on when he says,you know, I want to have
a kid, and she laughs inhis face, she sort of walks it
back, So, you know,I think she's trying to sort of tease

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him, use a sense of humor, sort of play Kate this idea of
like, it's ridiculous that you thinkthat you were, you know, this
christlike figure. But it's clear thatKevin is starting to drink the cool lad
a bit. I think he is. But I do like how she said,
maybe I'll take the book and readit on the plane, and he's
like, and like when she saidwhen she was talking into John and she

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said, oh, Kevin left itin the bathroom, and I at twenty
minutes in, I was, Iwas, you know, at twenty minutes
later, I'm into the book.So and Kevin, I didn't leave it
in the bathroom. Yeah, yeah, well he didn't want He's like,
Norah, stop embarrassing me in frontof my disciples. Yeah, I think
of me highly yea. So Norahstarts making the trip to Saint Louis,

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but her journey gets off to adifficult start when she is trying to buy
a ticket in the airport kiosk,but she can't get past the screen where
it asked the questions. I thinkit's like, will you have an infant
to sit on your lap? Shecan't plus the no button. An airline
worker comes over and indicates that thisis a quote unquote a dead spot and
if she just selects yes, noharm, no foul, she can move

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on. But Nora refuses to acquiesceand just decides to get another her kiosk.
And I want to segment the scenein particular because obviously we're gonna find
out what happens with Lily. ButI mean, I think the dead spot
is very representative of Nora, rightexactly. Yeah, Yeah, it was,
you know, and you can seethat she was just at that point,
you know, she's she's suffering,and this woman comes over and she's

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just trying to be helpful. I'lljust move up that one way, Okay,
that's fine, But you know,I haven't had my kids to part
and all the and a child takenaway from me and stuff like that,
so obviously Nora feels differently than Iwould. Yeah, And I think the
term dead spot is also like verybrutally honest, like something a dead spot
is something that's never in a likea gardening term. It's something that's never

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going to grow again. And soit's almost like telling Nora, hey,
you've lost two children and given upa third. You're you're never going to
have a kid again, as muchas you know your boyfriend might want to
do so. And then then whenshe walks, you see her walking towards
towards the you know, the gate, her face is like, oh my
God, get out of her way. She's gonna kill somebody. She's just

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she's she's just clinching her jaw andshe's just like great acting while while Judy
Garlands Meet Me and Saint Louis playsin the background. So I couldn't think
of a better paired song. Ialso want to I didn't highlight before,
but did you notice the Johnny appleSeed songs playing in the In the beginning,
I thought, I don't know exactlywhat the song was, but I
think Johnny, like, there's somecomparisons that could probably be made between Johnny

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apple Seed and you know, whatquote unquote kevinism might be, and this
idea of someone who sort of wandersacross the land dispensing whether it be apple
seeds or wisdom, and hopefully thereare no dead spots in which apple trees
cannot grow proverbaly speaking, Was therea lot of different music in this episode
or is it? Did I justnotice it more? Now? There was

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a lot of means. So therewas the Johnny apple Seeds song. There
was this Hallelujah I'm a Bum songwhere where Nora's like going up where they're
going up to the pillar. There'sthe meet Me in Saint Louis. There's
the Perfect Stranger song, not onlyin the beginning but also the piano instrumental
version later on. We obviously we'regonna be talking about the Woutang Clans protection

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Neck moment. And there's there's aclosing credit song that I didn't take down,
but yeah, there's, Like Imean, one of the many great
things left Over does is it's musicchoices and its ability to really utilize modern
or you know, recent pieces ofmusic in order to really represent the times.
And this is yet another great indicatorconsidered that they went from They're gonna

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go from hardcore rap to you know, thirties musical theater in the span of
an episode. It was great too. I just I don't really just paying
attention more edge. I'm like,oh, there's Johnny Apples. It all
right, cool, all right.So we get to Saint Louis. Nora
checks into the proper hotel and meetsup with a tailored suit wearing Mark Lynn

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Baker after disposing up her phone,and he says, everything that matters is
up there in the clouds, right. He gives his spiel. So,
a group of people have been attemptingto harness low amplitude Denzinger radiation, which
is a rare type of neutron radiationthat scientists found around in hotspots or many
departures occurred. This group has nowapparently constructed a reactor in Australia that,

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for a price, would expose aperson to this LADR and hopefully sending them
through to the other place, let'ssay, to hopefully meet up with those
who departed. Despite his credentials,we find out that Mark Linn Baker apparently
has two Yale degrees, which Iguess it is true, which is interesting.
She questions the validity of this program. Mark discusses the abandonment that he

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was feeling and the things of jealousyeven that he was feeling with the other
three people departing, and it's clearthat Nora can immediately sympathize with that.
Nora decides to spend the night watchingsome testimonials from people who have already gone
through the program, where they essentiallyvolunteered their consent while simultaneously admit that they're
not entirely sure what's going to happen. Jack, give me your reactions.

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What you first heard this entire conceptcome out of Mark linn Baker's mouth.
Well, first, he has twoyell degrees and he had to write it.
He had to write it down,So right there, I'm losing a
little faith in him. But ifI'm Nora, and you know, and
you can see, first if hewould have throw my phone, if I
was surprised she didn't punch him inthe face when he threw her phone in

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the toilet, because as wound upas she was. But now I think
she's she's I think she's believing it. I think she wants to believe.
I think at this point she feelsyou may here, she's break. She's
you know, like you said earlier, she had people shooting a gun into
a bulletproof vest and her you know, when she was wearing and you know
she slams her arm in the doorand all this different stuff she's going through.

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I think she's I don't think shecared. I think she wants to
believe it's true. Yeah, shewants though she was she was shooting it
down the whole time. But Ithink she wants to believe. And I
think obviously we see she's at leastgoing to Australia. Can't wait to see
carry Coon become a member of theX Files second season reboot because she wants
to believe. I mean, Markline Baker gives us really interesting quote where

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he says, you know, hewent through all this rigamarole because he wants
to take control. And I feellike that is like Nora to a tea
in this episode, because Nora isrunning to like a Matt jamieson string of
bad luck. This episode between theKiosk, we're gonna talk about how you
know, she she couldn't get outof the airport with the parking ticket.
Her GPS blips out when she triesto go search for Lily. So I

(27:26):
know we spoke I think in thepreview about this idea that maybe Matt and
Nora really are lenses in a waythat you know, they cause bad luck
all around them. Nora really mightbe cursed, though she hasn't had too
too much bad luck until this episode. But I think what exactly hit her
is that she does want to takecontrol. But you know, we talked

(27:47):
before about her lack of emotion.Did you notice when she's watching those testimonials
she's dressed in white and smoking acigarette. I didn't notice. No,
I didn't notice it. So Imean, I'm not saying that Nora is
going to join the gr anytime soon, but it's interesting to sort of compare
and contrast the mentality general mentality ofthe guilty remnant with the emotional state that

(28:07):
Nora's in right now. Wow,that's a good catch. I didn't see
that. I did not see that. I was too busy focusing on the
testimonos and being sound mind and body. But I do give Mark Lynn Baker
this though every time Nora questioned him, he had an answer for Yeah.
And let's just I could take amoment to talk about Mark Lynn Baker here.

(28:30):
I mean, I feel like againfor what was initially considered a throwaway
joke, I mean, Mark LynBaker should be known for a stuff outside
of Perfect Strangers. I mean,he's a very talented actor and comedian.
He's in a lot of theater stuff. He's part of one of my favorite
movies ever, Noises Off. Heplays the stage manager and he's hysterical in
it. But he did a reallynice job tackling the dramatic work. I

(28:51):
was very surprised. Yeah, well, when he starts with the you know,
oh, you know they have athey have a tailor in this hotel.
That's my first tailored suit. It'slike going, where's he going with
this? But it was this guy, I guess, like breaking the ice
and how he was you know,he's talking to someone who's you know,
you're you're messing with if you're becauseshe was saying, you know you're being
played she you know, you're partof the scam and all this stuff.

(29:15):
But he had an answer for everythingthat she she answered, and I think
after the testimony, I think shebelieves, or at least wants to believe.
Like we said earlier, she wantsto believe that it's true, and
I think she has nothing to loseat this point. Yeah, absolutely,
though you know, it seems likeshe's sort of putting a strain on her
current relationships in maybe pursuing this,though Kevin seem totally fine with the idea

(29:36):
of her just taking Trony twenty grandand going to Melbourne. But we'll talk
about that, I'm sure at theend of this episode. Nora next heads
off to Kentucky, where she stoppedand looks on at a local playground.
She attempts to give us stolen shovelback to a little girl, and we
soon find out that this is notjust some little girl. Christine see it.

(30:00):
Christine, Lily's baby mama walk intothe picture, and it becomes very
clear that this is a toddler versionof Lily. Nora realizes that Lily does
not recognize who she is when shegave her the shover shovel, so she
embarrassingly makes the bee line for hercar and drives out of town as the
Perfect Stranger's theme plays, because herand Lily might as well be perfect strangers.

(30:23):
That and she I think that wasjust the tip of the I mean
that's just the tipping point because whenshe looks at Lily and Lily says who
are you? You can just seeNora's like, oh, I don't.
I didn't need that. She wantedLily to say, oh, mommy or
whatever, you know, but shedidn't get that. And but she and
she took Lily a shovel. Imean it, she threw it at the

(30:45):
end, but just it's a it'sa spite move, like, fine,
you don't recognize me. Well,now you can't dig in the sand anymore.
So thoughts on the theory from lastweek being correct, What did you
think about the actual implementmentation of thisidea that Christine actually did come back at
some point to Jardin asking for custodyof her her the child that she had

(31:08):
given birth to. I'll be abandonedin a bathroom. Well I was still
kind of hoping it was going theother way, but you know, what
are you gonna do? But uhno, But when I saw the previews,
I go, uh, it's gonnabe Christine because they you know,
the previous on the previous, onleftovers, I go, why would they
be showing all this if it wasn'ther? I mean, maybe if if

(31:30):
I was doing the show, Iwould put something previous and not show in
not having any anything to do withthe show. But I feel like I
don't even know if that's a Leftoversthing. I feel like that might be
an HBO thing. I mean,Game of Thrones is a very similar thing,
right if you make a reference toand I'll spoil a Game of Thrones
here for a second. When youknow, Barston sell Me shows up in

(31:51):
season three, but we didn't seehim since season one. If we see
him on the previously on, chancesare he's gonna come back, or you
know, when they talk about unclebenjin went off into the wilds of the
North and you have someone say,oh, John, your uncle Benjam's back.
Nope, stab stab stab stab stabthen and makes sense why they would
put it in the previously on.But yeah, this seems a little obvious.

(32:12):
I do agree with you. Yeah, I mean, like I said,
I'm cool, it was going tobe that or the other one.
So yeah, I guess. Iguess she's with her mom. I guess
that's okay, jeez. So Ijust wonder. Now I have a big
question, Marcus. I just assumedthat Christine was sort of like a deadbe
I mean, this is a womanthat was sort of like almost abducted and
put into a cult as a concubinepurely to farm the sperm of Holy Wayne

(32:37):
at that point. You know,I'm assuming that she just sort of ran
off. I would not think thatshe would be able to track down Tommy
and the gang and Jarred and makeher way down there and sue. But
I guess a mother can do alot of things for their child, and
she might have just had an attitudecome around sometime over the next four years
after she abandoned her. Well,I think what a mother will do for

(32:59):
her children. We're gonna see whatNora will do for her children eventually.
I mean she's I mean, atany cost. And you could see it.
You could also see in Christine's faceshe was afraid of Nora. I
mean, like, what are youdoing here? What what? You could
see it? It was I waspretty good acting by both. I just
you could see that Nora was upset, but Christine was like, what are
you doing here? You know,I don't know if you also noticed that,

(33:22):
Jack, but she Christine was alsoholding another child. So maybe she's
in a situation where she's settled downwith somebody. Maybe she's joined another weird
cult and is you know, bettingthe leader. Maybe she just sort of
hops from rock to rock in thatregard. But yeah, I guess like
Lily is actually part of an actualfamily now. It seems right, and

(33:43):
not that she wasn't, not thatshe wasn't with Nora and Kevin, but
you know, it just but likewe find out later, Nora didn't put
up a fight. So yeah,and a little i'd say, marginally less
of a screwed up family. Iknow that Nora and Kevin and even Jill
all mean well, but there arewere so many weird things going on at
the time. I mean, Kevinwas like leaving, you know, the

(34:05):
baby around the baby Almos got trampledupon because Norah's baby got stolen by some
rando in the encampments outside Jardin.So that kind of stuff happens, I'll
take your word for it. SoNorah's final stop in her journey homeward Bound,
is the home of Erica Murphy.Another question, we asked, where's

(34:27):
Erica last week? But she's itseems like she's still in Jardin, but
her and John have officially split up. The two women, who have not
really talked since the end of thatLens episode, talk about the difference in
losing children. It seems like Ericashares a difference of opinion with John and
that she does believe that Evie isdead and gone, considering that she buried

(34:47):
her. This is where Norah revealsthat she did indeed break her arm on
purpose, nor to get a cast. Cover up at tattoo of what she
calls the Wu Tang band shows howmuch she knows it. She's thet She
just sort of picked out the whatshe thought was a phoenix on the wall.
I think she might need to gether eyes checked. Hopefully her HMO
with the cast covers that, butshe got that in nord to cover up
the names of her children. Sheapparently felt that the tattoo was too much

(35:10):
of a conversation starter that warranted pityor mockery for being unlucky with the whole
Nora cursed thing. Erica has theperfect remedy for her malaise, a trampoline
and they do a slow motion bouncingmontage to Woutang's protect your neck Jack Best
see Ever or Best See Ever?That reminded me of the band Show and

(35:35):
now mom's jumping on trampolines. Imean, if for your kids playing at
home, just google it's Adam Carollaand Jimmy Kimmel. Hopefully people don't don't.
Hopefully don't. They don't associate itwith the was it the the it
was the like Dogs, the guywho did Girl Gone Wild and Joe Logan,
the host of Fear Factor. Tothe other version, No, no,

(35:55):
no, not that one, theone with Kimmel and Corolla. But
but I was, I was interestedwhen Erica said I buried Evy. No,
it was the US government that buriedEvy. Who knows? Maybe,
well, they had they had thedrone, they had the drone strike.
So I'm pretty thinking that there wasn'tmuch left of Evy, so maybe it
was more of a metaphor. Didshe really bury her? Though? I

(36:19):
mean, we might have to,you know, play one of the songs
of The Leftovers backwards to hear Ericasay I buried ev Uh hopefully the she
said it twice, and I'm like, you have John who believes she's alive,
and Erica believes that she buried her. I'm thinking she was ground zero
of this this drone strike. Uh. I don't think I was making a

(36:42):
joke, but I don't think they'dbe much left of her to bury.
I mean not much leftovers. No, yea, yeah, there you go.
Yeah, what did you feel about? I mean, Jack or are
you are you? I know you'rea big like classic rock guy. Are
you are you a wou Tang Clanguy? I am not. I didn't
enjoy the song. I don't know, just same. I mean, yeah,

(37:04):
let Nora was smiling, and Norawas happy and everything was I said,
well, I got you know,sometimes I had bad days. I'm
gonna get me a trampoline. Ifeel like I either read or saw something
or remembe it was just from thetrampoline subplot that I watched on an episode
of The Simpsons where they said,like, you jump on a trampoline and
you really can't be mad or sad. Speaking of Wootang Clan, I don't

(37:27):
know if you noticed. At thevery beginning the written by credits were by
the Lonely Donkey Kong and Specialist Contagious, which apparently there's like a woot Tang
name generator on online that Lindalof andPerota put their names into and that's how
they got their woot tang names.So that's where the names came from.
It was still the same guy,it's just sort of woo tanged up.

(37:49):
That's amazing. I did not knowthat. Yeah, it was a should
next week, we should all putour names in there. Yeah, I
did not know that was a thing. But you know, the Internet is
certainly a wealth of ways to reallyspend your time, so it's sort of
part for the course in that regard. And I'm just hearing from our producer

(38:10):
in silence Jay saying that that's apparentlyhow Donald Glover got his rap name of
Childish Gambino, So it's it's pervadedinto the mainstream pop culture as well.
Oh so I could go in thereand get a podcasting name. Yes,
if you want to put yourself undera pseudonym to say even racier things than
you usually do with the under thesource of anonymity, you should be able

(38:32):
to do that. But I alludedto this in you know, my greeting
into this podcast, but this reallydid remind me of I'm madly I'm not
a big Perfect Strangers person. I'vewashed a handful of episodes, but not
as much compared to the other TGIFsitcoms or other suitcoms of that era,
but I believe like the one bigthing from that show was the dance for

(38:52):
joy right from me post, wherethey would do like this little kicking thing
every time they were celebrating something.Yeah, it's been a while since because
I probably saw a lot of theepisodes, but yeah, I do remember
something like that. Yeah, sothat's basically what this was. In a
way, it was sort of likea dance for joy. And granted none

(39:13):
other one of them are feeling veryjoyous, but at least what it was
a way for them to be ableto let go of their burdens and quite
literally, you know, soar almostto the heavens off of the pure lightness
of their hearts as a result fromhis trampoline. The only thing I remember
from watching Perfect Strangers every time wasit what's his name, Balky Tom Cruise

(39:34):
when they did Risky Business, toldhim never do TV. Never do TV.
I will help you and support youif but you should never do TV.
So every time I watched Perfect Strangerson They're going I guess he didn't
listen. And Perfect Strangers that wasalso post. I mean, I feel
like Bronze Pin Show's first big breakwas Beverly Hills cop right, he had
like the scene stealing role. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that just She

(40:00):
goes to show never trust advice fromTom Cruise because, as he said,
look where that got him. Yeah. Well, speaking of Tom, Nora's
about to meet up with another Tom. On the way home, Nora gets
pulled over by Tommy. She askedto go get a drink with her,
and she refuses, and it turnsout that Christine had told him. I
guess they'd sort of kept in touchabout her him promptu Lily visit. We

(40:23):
found out a bit more about whathad happened in the past three years.
Looks like Christine came to Jardin andsued for child custody. Nora decided to
relent. She basically looked across thetable and saw hurt mother who had abandoned
her child and wanted her back.Tommy decides to sort of relay his own
story compari intrasting, talking about Tommy'sbirth father, who he saw. I

(40:44):
believe in the Garves at their bestand how you know, he was actually
kind of sorry that they had revealedthat he was adopted and who his birth
father was. I believe he usesthe quote I wish they hadn't told me
because I was already where I belonged. Nora sort of takes offense to that,
and Tommy unfortunately kind of add insultto injury in that regard when he
tells her, you know, whenI dropped off, Lily, it was

(41:05):
for my dad. I didn't evenknow who you were. As a result,
in sort of the fury, Noradecides to blow up this giant,
almost an autopsy photo of the pillarman in the morgue and sticks it right
on the altar. She walks awayin a true badass fachion fire licking at
her face, and Sandy damns herto hell and calls her a heartless woman.

(41:28):
Yes, that's exactly what she said, heartless woman. So obviously the
parallels are there between Tommy's plight andLily's plight. But do you think Tommy
took the right tone here? Doyou think he should have gone that far
with Nora? I thought he pushedher a little too far. I mean
again, he's he's probably not thinkingstraight. I mean, Nora, he

(41:49):
probably know what Nora has gone throughas far as you know where she was
this weekend. And but still Nora'slost two children. She lost another child,
you know, she gave up anotherchild to the mother and Tommy I
thought it was I guess that wasa kind of a dick move by Tommy.
Yeah, it was. It was. It was a great scene between
the two actors. I thought itwas fantastic scene. I did think when
Nora went to go had the picture, I thought it would have been funny

(42:12):
if she tried to get the pictureshe couldn't get the picture in large and
then had to have the guy comeover at help. Yeah, exactly.
Oh no, your fingers stuck on? Do you want family size photos?
Like there's a dead spot. Imean, you know, we forgot about
the part where she's at the airportand you know, she's trying to get
out and the guy and she getsout of the car, just up the
guy, and the guy's like,oh wait, whoa no which such puts

(42:32):
his hands up, yeah, becausehe's he's beeping at her, and she
goes positively agro not only going upto yell at him, but also physically
hoisting the gait above her head tobe able to get I didn't know,
you get I didn't know you coulddo that. I mean, I think
it takes a certain amount of strength. But again, she must have had
all the adrenaline flowing in the worldto be able to do that. Hell,
hath no fury like a Nora scornedit seems well, you know when

(42:55):
the guy saw that, he said, oh, I'm glad I just put
my hands up. Would she wouldhave kicked my ass? Absolutely? She
would have dragged him out of thecar, almost like what Matt did to
that carjacker in his season one episode. Yeah, there you go. The
Durst Jamison clan just have a pensionfor violence sometimes when you really pushed them
over the edge. Or the guyfrom United Airlines, they could have the

(43:15):
boy for recent Hopefully they did notfly United on the way to Australia or
to Saint Louis. So at athome, Nora walks in on Kevin doing
what I like to call bagging.It could have been much worse things if
first, here, don't you thinkhe's cleaning the gutters with someone? I
you know, you hear the he'sbreathing heavy, and then I go.

(43:37):
But her look was like, oh, you know, I would I would
hope not, because again, Kevin, I think has passed the day,
especially considering that the person who withwhom he was committing adultery with disappeared during
the departure. You feel like thatwould be enough of a scarring moment for
him to legitimately think like, oh, maybe, you know, messing around

(43:57):
outside of my monogamous relations ship isnot a good idea. And I feel
like he does have a certain levelof devotion Genra, considering that she has
stuck by his side in a way. I never all of this. But
when she's walking up the stairs reallyquiet and you hear the noise, I
never thought he'd have a plastic backover his face, I go, why
didn't I see that coming? Ohmy god. Anyway, and he looks

(44:17):
like, okay. Again, it'sone of those things where she's like an
iceberg. On the surface, heseems to be simmering, or she's like
a she's like a duck, youknow, on the surface, all seems
to be calm, but underneath herfeet, you know, vigorously pedaling in
order to stay afloat. So yeah, he embarrassingly tries to explain himself,
but Nora seems to understand. Hetells her he wants to have another baby,

(44:40):
and she flat out laughs in hisface. Then sort of again walks
things back a bit by saying thatyou know, they're happy now and they
wouldn't want to ruin that. Shetalked about another trip to Melbourne, Australia
and how she'll need twenty thousand dollarsto do it. Kevin's only question for
this seems to be can I um? And she gives her assent. Yeah,

(45:02):
Oh, can I come please?Do they have bags there? Yeah?
What's their laundry situation? Like?Uh, I'm assuming he's like he's
like in the plane and he's like, she's like the flying tenants. Oh
do you need any blankets? Warmhouse? Oh? No, do you
have a laundry bag? Handy?I just need to go in the bathroom
very quick. And duct tape?Do you have any duct tape aboard this

(45:25):
flight? So, I mean Ifeel for Kevin. I mean, Nora's
doing all this crazy trip hopping.I wouldn't want to at least get in
on some of the action, though, you know, having the chief of
police get up and just leave thetown flat out. I don't know if
that's exactly responsible, especially when hesaid earlier he's got ten days to keep
this thing under control. That's whyhe was trying to keep Nora calm,

(45:46):
even though he told the people Godbless, because she goes God bless.
You'll tell, you know, we'retrying to keep people calm, and ten
days they'll, you know, they'llfigure out the world didn't end and they'll
go back to doing something else wherethey have to. So, yeah,
you're right, he's leaving where he'spotential powder keg behind. And not to
mention not only a powder keg,but the fact that again he's been now
put into this large position, notonly from an occupational perspective, but now

(46:08):
from a religious perspective in this town. Again, we're not entirely sure whether
he's buying into the hype or whetheror not he's still selling on it,
but you would think that, likeall this stuff just got thrown his way
to him, just suddenly drop theball and leave the game is an interesting
way to deal with it. Andthat's a big deal. I mean,
it's not like you're going from hereto like when she went from here to
from Texas to Saint Louis. You'regoing from United States to Australia. That's

(46:31):
a long hike. Yeah. Absolutely, So if you get if you get
called back at a moment's notice,you won't be able to top skip at
a jump like a kangaroo back tothe States. I mean, it's just
not something I'm going to Australia.Yeah, Nobody, at least on Impulse
would do that. So speaking ofAustralia, you think that the episode ends

(46:52):
there, but we cut to whatseems to be Australia as a police officer
ends up making into a kangaroo withhis car and proceeds out puts it out
of his misery. Again, anice little Season one sort of callback with
Heaven hitting the deer and putting itout of its misery. Right, And

(47:12):
even though I don't know if kangaroosor the deer of Australia that might be
too too Americanized of acclaim. Well, I think there there's a lot of
them, though, yeah, Ithink there there are a lot. Especially
every every every every show I seein Australia, there's there's a kangaroo.
And I used to watch I've talkedabout this for used to watch Skippy the
Kangaroo. It's Australian showback when Iwas a kid. Well, hopefully Skippy

(47:34):
Skippy to not bite the dust.I hope Skippy the bush kangaroo. So
it was like the it was itwas like, well, going back to
dogs, it's you know, leftover to dog. It was the dog
of Australia. It was Lassie basically, so we do have a dog here
as well. As this man turnsout to be the police chief of whatever,
prince pricing this, maybe he seemsto be a little bit of a
hard ass. His he's a jerk, a foul mouth jerk at that,

(47:59):
and again maybe that's why his namesakesort of holds here. His colleague Jerry
wants, I think, go homeand check up on his dog, and
not only does this man say no, he says, go clean the kangaroo,
guts off the grill of my car. I'm taking your car. Go
king. You don't have a wifeexactly, So he's we don't know if

(48:22):
he does. I don't think heactually fell in the blanks there. But
if he go, if he triesto head home to a wife, he's
not gonna make it because on hisway he's blocked by a quartet of horseback
women and the leader, at leastthe outspoken I think her name is Grace.
Payford asked if his name is Kevin. He says it is, and
they proceed to knock him out,tie him to a board, and basically

(48:46):
allude to you know, they werereading passages from what sounds like the Book
of Kevin, including a particular sectionabout jumping into the water with a stone
which is what Kevin did with thecinder block in the first episode of season
into the attempt to drown Kevin inthe water, I guess they believe that
he is the Kevin that they arelooking for, and you know, much

(49:08):
like in the past with his ninelives, this Kevin would then reanimate himself
after going to the other side bybeing drowned. Turns out not to be
the case. They got the wrongKevin. But suddenly someone comes limping bursting
out of the house crying out,what are you ladies up to? Is
the return of Kevin Senior? Tothe leftovers? It was that was a

(49:29):
great scene because she well, shesays, I'll see in two minutes.
You're the one. Lady kept saying, I don't think it's him, it's
him. I don't think it's him. It's him. I don't think it's
Tim. Lift him up. Iguess that was wrong. None of the
question is how much Kevin's side hasbeen going on in this place. Are
they just going down the phone bookand looking for anybody named Kevin and undergoing

(49:50):
the same process. So now,if you're in Australia, someone says you're
Kevin, you say no, I'mMark, Yeah, exactly, go by
your middle name. I just Ithought it was just a great scene.
I go, huh. And thenwhen you see Kevin Senior come out,
you okay? All right? Sodo you think this is gonna be a
trend? I mean, obviously,we had the supermisterious scene last time with
Norah slash Sarah, which I don'tthink even connects to this scene. But

(50:15):
two episodes in a row we flashedto Australia at the end. Do you
think this is going to be arecurring motif until we eventually get completely to
Australia. Well, I think thatNora and Kevin are heading there, so
I think it's gonna I think mostof it will. I think we're gonna
get Australia. I think we're Ithink we're wrapping up maybe the United States

(50:36):
scene, and we're gonna go toAustralia. Now, at least I would
think so, I would. Iwould hope that we're not wrapping up the
United States because as great as theLeftovers ensemble is, I really don't want
to see, you know, twocharacters just take off and leave everyone else
behind. I didn't mention this beforewith the Tommy scene, but I know
we had some reservations about whether ChrisZilka, Zizza, whatever his name is.

(50:57):
We were like, how involved ishe going to be this season?
So I was happy to see himin a scene. But if they really
are, you know, our twomain characters are leaving everyone else behind,
that's less reason to keep going backto Jardin. Yeah, well, they
get six episodes left right until untilit's over, you know, Like I
said, maybe they're giving you know, because I don't know. I just

(51:20):
it wasn't I don't know what's gonnago on. I well, going by
the scenes for next week, Ithink we're in Australia. Yeah, so
spoiler alert for next week. Tunon for the next like thirty seconds if
you don't want to hear this,right, So next week is going to
be. It looks like we're gonnasee things from Kevin Senior asside. Hopefully
we'll see what exactly drove him toAustralia in the first place, what happens

(51:40):
when he was going there. Itseems like he sort of like some other
people in Jardin, have this ideathat the apocalypse is coming on the seventh
anniversary of the departure. So hopefullywe'll find out more about that and spend
more time down Under because there's beenevery ending has just surrounded this place in
so much mystery that I want topeek more into it. Yeah, I

(52:02):
was really I was like, ohno, no, no, no,
anyway, like when you see theytwo weeks in a row, they've done
it where they've had you've left youon like no, don't stop, and
that's that's perfect television. Absolutely wellthat is what we thought. But we
want to hear from you guys,so let's get into the listener feedback listener.

(52:27):
Hey, James, Jack, it'sJim from Philadelphia. I was in
your new show and you guys wereand I was listening to Jack Kracbot theory
where he thinks that Erica has Lilyand I think that Christine came back and
Norah gave Lily back to Christine becauseI think Norah can understand what Christine would

(52:47):
be going through and losing a childand wanting that child back, and I
think it would tear her up inside, but I think she would give.
I think she ultimately would give thebaby back to her real mother. That's
just my thoughts. Love the showand I'm excited to hear what you guys
think about next year's episode. HelloLeftovers podcast, as Will from Portland,

(53:10):
Oregon. One another terrific episode.So the thing at the end in Australia,
I was wondering that supposed to bethe President or the path of the
future. I mean because I guessat the end of the last week when
they showed the flash forward, Iwas thinking, now, I guess there's
no or very little chance for ahappy ending with Kevin and Nora. But

(53:31):
I don't know. After this one, I was thinking, like, what
if they're both hiding out in Australiaunder different names and people are just looking
for the real Kevin. I don'tknow Regina King, she is a goddess.
You know. There are a coupleof times in her a little.
She wasn't in an episode much forthere are a couple of times where she

(53:51):
almost had me in tears with justlike a look or emotion. So I'm
glad we found out what happened withLily and we getting to see Erica.
This is a show that does providesome answers. So yeah, there's another
great episode. I'm hoping this thingwith mark Lyn Baker doesn't turn out to

(54:14):
be, you know, an answerto what happened. I really don't want
to know what happened during the departure. That's probably the one thing that could
do that would piss me off.It would be to explain the departure.
Glad that Nora didn't freak out whenshe walked in on Kevin. Maybe,
I don't know, Maybe that willlead to something later, but you know,

(54:35):
it would have been so TV furtherlike freak out and then like storm
out that um yeah, once againin Trip's episode, can't wait to hear
what you guys think later by HeyJane Jack, it's Michael calling from Los
Angeles. It's like Jay, Jackand Mike you are also out part of
this really great episode. I thinkit was better than the first one.

(55:00):
I'm sure some people don't like thein depth character episode, but I thought
this one was really good and providedsome insight into Norah. I think the
storytelling is really interesting because you becausewe're three years removed from last season,
there's so much there's so many questionsthat come up because you know, you

(55:22):
just don't know how do these charactersget to where they are today. Before
I go any further, I dowant to mention it was a lot of
fun listening to You Guys podcast aboutit last season. I've now listened.
I caught up on Game of Thrones. I'm a very late adopter to that,
and so I've listened to all ofGame of Thrones and now all of

(55:45):
West World and all leftovers. SoI just at a certain point, I'm
just gonna wake up in the middleof the night and have Jay and Jack
talking in my head. So oneof the things I thought was interesting was
when Kevin comes back to the houseand he sees Nora about to leave.
He said that he's just coming hometo change his shirt. It seems like

(56:07):
he's lying it. Just initially heseemed like he's being trustworthy. I'm curious
why Nora didn't deny that she slammedher arm in the car. That doctor
called her out on it, andshe just sort of waves off and all
she said was why would I dothat, which is not really a denial.

(56:28):
I think it's interesting that she trustedthat guy in the hotel room,
I forget his name when he gaveher the USB drive because it could have
like a virus. There's something elsenefarious to use the word that Mike likes.
Just weird that she like trusted him. And then I think, whether

(56:50):
it was intentional or not, thisepisode was a lot funnier than any of
that I've seen, and I thinkthat's that's kind of interesting. There's a
lot of music that ran her towhat was happening on screen, Like it
was very sad, but the musicwas uplifting. And then last night least,
what's up with chiefs of police namedKevin? Why do they keep getting

(57:10):
killed? If you're a chief ofpolice named Kevin, you should look out?
All right, guys, have agood show, Jerry, Jay and
Jack and Mike. Is this scarletagain? So Nora is the most interesting
character, and I'm so glad we'vegot to see another episode from her perspective.
So on mostly episode. She isso adamantly opposed to many to any

(57:34):
kind of like mystical or religious explanationsregarding the guy on the watchtower, which
makes sense because if people start tobelieve that the departures continued to happen,
then people like her, the realvictims of the departure, are no closer
to finding the truth of what actuallyhappened to their loved ones. However,
despite her disbelief, as soon asshe got the call about seeing her kids
again, the doubt that was passedaround the face became so apparent. I

(57:57):
think the down she wants to believethat what she he was not random or
purposeless. But believing that your lovedones disappeared for a reason, even if
you can never learn what that reasonis, is almost worse than chalking it
up to a random, fake accident. Nora also appears to be so intense
in her disbelief at the beginning ofthis episode that she I think she suppresses

(58:19):
Kevin's belief when he says God Blessedis someone she's got with him. She
continues to poke fund at the Bookof Kevin and tries to affirm that she
and Kevin agree that it's a bookof nonsense, but Nora doesn't know what
Kevin has gone through. Nora hasno idea about the hotel on the other
side of death. I think that'swhy Kevin was hesitant to give her the
book, which may shed light onwhy on what has actually happened to Kevin,

(58:43):
especially since she left him when hetold her about Patty. And I
think the title don't be Ridiculous isher perspective on the world right now.
Unreadit. Also, some people werecommenting on how when Nora found Kevin with
the bag over his head, himsaying that he was just doing it to
feel something and that he doesn't wantto die basically indicates that he actually wasn't

(59:05):
trying to go back to the hotelto prove that he can't die. I
disagree with him wholeheartedly, and Ican't take Kevin at face value because he
doesn't have the best track record thattelling more of the truth. I think
when Kevin jumped into the poison Lake, it proves that he isn't just doing
these things to feel something, butinstead keeps check holity status. Anyway,
I'm trying to get a drinking gamegoing where every time Kevin tries to kill
himself. We take a shot,although after this episode, maybe we should

(59:29):
also drink every time a police chiefnamed Kevin gets wrong stilly murders. Anyways,
my rants is over, Thanks Agains. We're podcasting each week and have
a great week. Thank you forthe calls. All right, So we'll
take it him one at a time. First starts out with the first one,
Jim. Now, admittedly, Jimcalled in after we recorded the first
episode podcast, so even though peoplemight be pointing in laughing saying, Jim,

(59:51):
we already knew that about Christine hadhappened in the episode, he did
record it before the second episode aired, so I will Actually I just looked
it up. He recorded ten oneSunday night. Oh wow, all right,
I'm kidding. I'm trying to slideas a gym. But no,
kudos to you as well. Butwhat we did, but you know,
I have to go back. There'sa scene we didn't see. Erica is

(01:00:14):
bouncing with Lily on the trampoline.She bounces too hard, goes over the
fence, and Christine catches her andtakes her. So that's what so I
think my theory is right, Yes, that that they both technically had ownership
of Lilya at one employ in time. Can't wait for that secret episode.
Will from Portland giving some great commentsabout Regina King. I do agree.
I'm so happy that she's back onthe show. She's one of the best

(01:00:36):
actresses on there, and I loveher and Carrie Coon doing things together.
He hands positive. This question isAustralia is supposed to be in the present
or the future? I all admitI'm sort of with Will here. I
thought it was the future at first, because I had assumed that the first
episode Australia seen was from the future. But after seeing Papa Garvey and him
being the same age, he's nota skeleton, he's not the cryp keeper

(01:00:58):
at this point, I assuming it'sin it's in the present, right,
Well, Nora was in the future. Yeah, But the question is or
not in the future. It justwas happened after she went through that with
the LP was the the lad R. Maybe that's what happened to her make

(01:01:19):
you turn really old, really old? Or maybe maybe it's not in the
future. Maybe it's in the departedand maybe you age when you go into
the part. I don't know,ye, So we'll see I well,
definitely, as you said, findout next week. I think more of
this Australia Timeline. Michael brought upthis episode was funny. I do agree,
you know, even I guess thatcomes to the territory of bringing on

(01:01:40):
a sitcom star. But I feellike there were some pretty comic moments though
again, the first episode was surprisinglyfunny too sooth, Yeah, very funny.
Yeah, I didn't think about theUSB cable having not cable having a
virus in it. Yeah, AndMichael doesn't bring up an interesting point about
like jumping forward three years. Somany questions come up, but it always

(01:02:02):
reminds me of in Parks and Recreationagainst spoiler alert for Parks and Recreation.
The second to last season ends withthe time jump of I believe it was
two years, and it was sortof like a gambit. The producers were
saying, like, we're probably gonnaget canceled, so we're just gonna jump
to twenty seventeen. But then theygot renewed for a final season and so
they had to sort of backfill theexposition and say what happened over the course

(01:02:25):
of the past two years, soI could see what the leftovers kind of
doing the same thing here. Andfinally with Scarlett, another very great call
talking about the drinking game every timeKevin dies. I don't think we advocate
for rampant alcoholism on the weft Overs, but you know what, if people
wanted to do it, so beit. It's six more episodes. Have

(01:02:46):
at it party on. Just justjust any excuse to anytime they play a
song, take a drink. That'sour blood on their hands. Jack,
Well, I'm not saying. I'mnot saying drive, you know, I
must saying, put a plastic bagover your face and then take a drink
of ya don't don't. Don't imbibein any other activities that are done in

(01:03:07):
the Leftovers, maybe just drinking andkaraoke. It's like Michael, you said,
you know, sometimes he'll he mightwake up with Jay and Jack in
his head, you know, butdon't have the don't have the plastic bag
of your head. Don't do that, Michael, don't do that. All
right, let's get to emails here. We have a nice fun one to
start it off. It says,Hi, guys, I've been rewatching seasons

(01:03:29):
one and two along with season three. I've noticed a lot of parallels to
each season's particular episodes. There's amirror that's taking place someone season one,
but very noticeable with seasons two andthree. All of these aren't episode two
of each season. I put someof them together part the season. I'm
sure Mike has already figured this out. He's good at this game. Very
excited to be joined the podcast thisseason. Why thank you. I don't
think I'm good at this game,but I appreciate the compliments. Try to

(01:03:50):
make this read as easily as Ican. Kevin Season one, episode two,
Penguin one US zero. Kevin isdefinitely losing touch with reality, switching
from conscious thought to unconscious actions,vivid dreams, and perhaps sleepwalking, finding
the dog, shooting truck at hisdriveway with the keys, along with a
few other incidents. He witnesses hisfather talking to someone who's not there and

(01:04:11):
he tells Kevin it's all real.Season two, episode two, A Matter
of Geography, Kevin admits to buryingPatty and that he has also dug her
back up. This is also thefirst episode we see ghost Patty. He's
seeing something who's not there. Kevin'sfather announces he's going to Australia and Kevin
wakes up in the drained lake withthe cinder block tied to his leg.
Season three, episode two, GracePlayford says of Kevin. Says, of

(01:04:34):
Kevin, and he looked at themand raised his hand, but they did
not raise a response, and sohe clutched the stone to his chest and
jumped into the water. Nora.Season one, episode two, Nora is
videotaping claimant's interviews about their departed lovedones. She is the star victim of
the town, and she's playing therole fully, even when she intentionally knocks
the coffee mug off the table toget all eyes on herself. Season two,

(01:04:55):
episode two, Laura is visited byan mt researcher who explains that geograph
maybe the reason for three departures inone home and the reason she's the survivor
of such low odds. The researcheris trying to find a way to control
the odds, thinking it will surelyhappen again. Nora finds Lie on the
front porch. Nora officially adopts Lily. Her and Kevin now have full custody.
She admits to Matt that she knowsabout her. He and Kevin secretly

(01:05:16):
burying Patty. Season three, episodetwo, Nora is videotaping the tower Man's
wife about his death slash departure.She confronts Matt about secretly burying Towerman's body,
tells Matt to dig him up.Mark lind Baker explains to Nora about
the odds of only one and fourdeparting and usually radiation is a way to
take things back. To take backcontrol of those odds, she tells the
story of her tattoo and how badlyshe doesn't want to be Nora cursed.

(01:05:39):
She doesn't want the attention. Noratalks to Tom about giving up custody to
Lily. Nora announced that she's goingto Australia. Season one, episode two,
Tom takes Christine into hiding. Seasonthree, episode two quote She's not
hiding Tom, which is in referenceto Christine. Another episode two parallel is
the Dogs. First season shooting ofthe dogs quote they're not our dogs anymore.

(01:06:00):
Second season quote all dogs in thecenter quarantine. Third season Jerry says,
quote Jinny's not feeling well. Toobad, Jerry, stay here and
get clean the brains off the grill. Also, did anyone else notice Rue
killer Kevin's license plate was six sixsix. I don't know if any of
this will make sense to anyone otherthan myself. If not, at least
I had a chance to work onmy highly inadequate typing skills. Thanks guys,

(01:06:23):
love the show, Love the podcast, Jamie, and thank you Jamie.
That is a lengthy dissertation. ButI saw all the connections you were
pointing out there. Yeah I didn'tsee the license plate though, No,
I did not. I feel shamed. Oh I have is too focused on
the rue brains on those darn rus. But I guess, I guess.

(01:06:45):
I mean, it's a fortune thatwe saw a police chief. Kevin died
was the scourge of the earth consideringhis license plate number, so be it
then, And like they did agood job of us hating him. I
mean, he was only on thescene for what two minutes, three minutes,
and so drowned. It was like, okay, I mean he basically
he was murdered. He was murdered, and we didn't care because he was
such a jerk. So kudos tothe writers from having me not care about

(01:07:10):
this guy that got murdered. Absolutelyall right, let's move into this next
email. Hey, Jay, Jackand Mike love the pot as I'll just
jump right in. One of theorganizations fowered by founded by Mary Machipolis and
the Sisters of Saint Joseph of theSacred Heart, helps counsel and nurture the
age and the very ill the LastSea from episode one, the sister says,
Sarah, does the name Kevin meanor anything to you? To me?

(01:07:32):
The question is posed in the samemanner as a therapist prompting their patient
to recall something that is suppressed theway that Norah slashed. Sarah responds,
and the expression on her face seemslike that of a person who that initially
has a spark of memory but thenblocks it because it is too painful.
I think that Norah gets zapped insteadof going to another realm or the place
where her departed children are, shebecomes very ill. The effects of radiation

(01:07:54):
and the need for escape from theendless suffering she has endured caused her to
forget everything, including who she is. Basically, her mind can no longer
handle everything that has happened, soshe creates Sarah subconsciously and is blocking her
life as Nora completely. She's takingto the Sisters given a menial task to
complete daily slash weekly I eat doveduty, so that she stays in constant
communication with the sisters, who hopethat she will eventually get better. So

(01:08:15):
why would the sister ask Nora slashSarah about the name Kevin? Because after
this zapp Kevin sees that he can'thelp her, so places Nora in the
care of the sisters. This explainswhy the sisters would the sister would use
the name Kevin in an attempt tospark memories from the past. I hope
I am terribly wrong because I hatethis idea, but that is my crackpot
theory and I'm sticking to it.Amanda from Texas, I like that.

(01:08:38):
I'm an Amanda that I don't necessarilywant to see Norah get shipped off to
the proverbial Australian crazy house. Buti'd sort of make it's sort of like
what you were alluding to before,though, Jack that like that this is
that Nora would be irradiated and asa result might lose some mental faculties.
Right, that might have happened toher. But then but Nora, so

(01:09:00):
like we saw this whole episode,she's very cold hearted. I mean,
she's she's a great poker player.So when the none asked her if if
if you know Kevin, No,I don't know Kevin, I mean,
and you could, you would believeher because she's she's good at lying.
Yeah. I just maybe it's becauseI love the character of Nora, and
I almost feel like this is likea twiltlid Zone esque purgatorial ending to have

(01:09:23):
her stuck in this convent in analternate persona, trying to remember what her
previous life was, though she can't. All on a snow globe. Oh
boy, it's all on a snowglobe that was has them meeting up in
a church that has them running afterRobin Schubotsky. What other controversial, serious

(01:09:44):
endings can be throw in there?Well, a journey will start playing in
a fade to black. Yes,exactly what'll cut out before it's revealed to
Nora is yea. So we'll puta pin in that next email, Hi,
before night Court. Harry Anderson wasa professional magician. I know this
because my older brother as a professionalmagician. I was always around when he
practiced. He's never stopped. Hewas always hanging around magic shops and buying

(01:10:05):
whatever books videos and tricks would gethis hands on. Harry Anderson vented a
trick that made it seem like hewas stabbing himself in the arm with a
big pin and involved a lot ofspirit gum and fake blood. Harry did
a couple of videos of magical instruction, and on them he always worked with
a partner who played the sucker orfriend. They always referenced the name Turk
Pipkin. I always remember that name, Turk Pipkin. Oh, the leftovers.

(01:10:28):
One was the pillar man's name Briantoo. When Nora threw the Book
of Kevin down, it was loudso I could hear it. Land inside
Kevin's soul. He wants to beable to and let go and believe.
I think that the denial is gettingthe better of him. Three Lens parallels.
In Lens, Nora is crashed downto Earth Erica. This time it's
from Tommy with the line of theepisode I left her for my dad.

(01:10:48):
I didn't even know you existed ouch. In Lens, Nora has been through
some real traumatic stuff, only tocome home and find Kevin in even worse
shape. Last time, he admittedto being followed by Patty, and this
time with a bag over his headfor the Nora Kevin conversation. Any sane
person would not bring up the ideaof having her carry and raised another baby.
Last ditch effort on his part,his last temptation, if you will,

(01:11:10):
are they happy? I'm very gladyou said yes to Kevin coming with
her so fast, But he wasn'tas fast as she said yes to the
woman on the phone. Five Boive. Here we go with the dijury dues,
Australia not touching it. Scott Glentime theory. The new song for
the credits will start next week,a song for each setting. This one
will remain for Australia. Rip Brianthe pillar Man as portrayed by Turk Pipkin.

(01:11:32):
If you read the whole thing,thanks Ethan. No, I didn't
even realize him as Ethan short conservesjust the two of us ps. Oh
look a dead horse? Where's myclub? Mike? All I was saying
is that the season one episode Gladysis the Leptover's version of American Anthem from
Black Mirror. If you can't getpast the Gladys for the Garments at their
best, you don't deserve season two. But you guys, are way more

(01:11:54):
inclusive than me. We can allthank Kevin for that. Ha Pps,
here's a brother. Here's a pictureof my brother head lighting Intel in Magic
Convention with Harry Anderson last year.Stupid practice. Wow, lots of information
about Ethan and his brother's history withmagic this episode. Yeah, yeah,
it's too bad his brother couldn't makehim disappear. Right that wrong? Was

(01:12:14):
that wrong for me? You saythat out lad, No, I don't.
I don't want to take another shotat anything continue this rivalry. But
what I will say, since youpulled the Black Mirror card, Ethid,
one of the advantages of watching BlackMirror is that, since it's an anthology
series, much like far Ago,you don't need to watch every single episode.
There have been people that flat outturned off the series after the National
Anthem, which is the first episode. I will not spoil the plot for

(01:12:36):
you, suffice it to say it'sa little touchy, and as a result,
people were not able to watch theabsolutely beautiful episodes that followed. So
again, this is a total differenceof opinion. I still think, and
from both Black Mirror and Leftovers,you don't need to start with the first
episode. But that's just my opinion. Yeah, I mean, I I

(01:12:57):
don't I agree. Also start wheneveryou want any thoughts towards Ethan's musing Harry
Anderson aside here Jack about the pillarman's name being Brian, or the lens
parallel or anything like that. Well, you know, he is right.
I hate to say it. Kevinseems to keep you know, he's hanging
around nor and he seems to begetting worse, not better. Yeah,

(01:13:18):
I mean guess yeah. You wouldthink that once Patty sort of unburdened his
soul, it would be right homefree. But Kevin almost seems traumatized by
that whole ord deal that he reallycan't escape from it. He can't escape
anything. It's like he wants togo it, just like when he wants
to go out stream. Maybe justwants to go see his dad. I
Like I said, I hate tosay Ethan is right because it hurts a

(01:13:38):
little part of me dies inside.But he's right. Even though Nora is
his his right now, his soulmate. You know, they seem a
perfect couple on the you know whenthey're walking around town, but they're not.
They're both hurting, they're they're they'rebad for each other. Really so,
then maybe that's one reason. Youknow, I know we questioned before
why to Kevin up and leave Jardan. That's almost in a panic over what's

(01:14:00):
to happen at the end of theday in order to go to Australia.
But maybe that's one reason why he'ssort of in a panic to get things
quote unquote right, and maybe himgoing on his own little walk about in
Australia would be a way to dothat. Or maybe he's afraid to lose
Nora. I could be it aswell. I mean, Nora has been
very flighty as a play and he'safraid that if she goes to Australia she

(01:14:21):
won't come back, which again,considering some theories about what happens to her,
that might be the case. OrKevin can't stand to be alone,
Kevin can wait. Oh boy.On that note of a Kevin James sitcom,
let's get to the hallmark of everypodcast here on the Leftovers with Jay

(01:14:41):
Jack and Mike Jack's crackpot theory ofthe week. Yeah, this whole Nora.
I think Nora's gonna do the whatMark Mark Linn Baker told me She's
gonna do the lad R I thinkshe's doing it, but I also think
Kevin's gonna do it. I thinkthey're both. I think I think Kevin's
gonna follow Nora. He's again he'sfollowing her. He can't and so I

(01:15:02):
think they I think they go intothe departed world. So we're actually we're
actually gonna see the under the underthere, or the sunken place where actually
the departed people went. I thinkwe are, but I don't think Nora,
because Nora can't have happiness, soI don't think she finds her children.
But I think they do go somewhere. And the reason they're trying to

(01:15:25):
find Kevin is because maybe Kevin doesn'tbelong there in the departed world. So
maybe that's why they're trying to findKevin, because Kevin doesn't belong to the
departed world. So that's you know, they by testing him. They're just
you know, drowned to Kevin.Who you know, who cares. It's
like when that kid got sucked intothe TV and Poltergeist and they had to
go in and get him out,exactly that. I think Kevin. I

(01:15:46):
think Kevin. There's a reason whyKevin was so quick to follow to Australia.
It's just it's not it's and Norah, I'm gonna go to Australia.
That okay, yeah, okay,let's take twenty thousand all the time ago.
You know, he doesn't even askquestions. They just there's going to
Australia. So I think that's whatI think, Nora, because you know,
when you have kids and your oryour family members and you lose somebody
and you feel like you have nothing. And she had Lily, and then

(01:16:08):
Lily got taken away from her.She lost a little what she gave a
Lily away but technically was taken awayfrom her. Norah's hurting. I mean,
she's she's she wants her kids.She wants to see her kids again,
so she'll do anything she can.It's and I gotta be honest with
you, if I was in thatsituation, i'd probably do I'd probably take
a chance. I don't know ifI want to take this as a If

(01:16:30):
this plot point comes up, I'llbe mad type of thing, sort of
like what one of her callers didwith you know, if we get revealed
where or that it departed went to, I won't be as happy. I
want to let the mystery be butI'm almost in that category. I don't
know, even if it's very metaphoric, like what they did with the hotel
last season, I don't know ifI want to see where these people went
after they departed. I feel likethat that's I feel like that deceives the

(01:16:53):
central conceit of the show. Butmaybe they all go to a different place.
That's why Nora can't find, youknow, maybe that's why she can't
find. She does some fund,she goes to a different thing. Maybe
they depart, they don't all departto the same place. I don't know.
I'm just throwing it out there becauseyeah, I just think she I
think she's going to do it.She's she's gonna She's gonna go through with

(01:17:14):
it, and I think Kevin willfollow her. My hot take is that
Nora gets irradiated and turns into theIncredible Hulk and goes on a smashing spree
of kangaroos in Australia needs to beput down. And maybe the Sarah version
is like her her Bruce Banner form. She's just she's just wearing makeup,
but you know, she's just,uh, you don't want to see her

(01:17:36):
when she's angry. Look what happenedwhen she she loved it? The freaking
gate over her head at the airport. It shows that she has that type
of string and that guy that guysprobably pissed his pants. Yeah, so
Nora Hulk is my crackpot there.I like the Nora Hulk. I like
that. I like that direction,and I hope they and then you know
they would play the piano and creditsad music when you know Bruce Banner would

(01:17:59):
would be walking along the side ofthe road. Well, going to the
end of the Leftovers, do itwith six more episodes? Do we think
we're gonna get the happy ending oris it just gonna be the It's just
gonna end and we're gonna be huhmore more like loss where you have to
think to think of some things.Yeah, I don't think people are going
to be disappointed with the ending.Again, this is me maybe putting two

(01:18:20):
trust in these interviews that I readbeforehand of Carrie Coon another saying like,
oh, this is a very satisfyingending. It ties up a lot of
loose end. But considering how theyended the second season when they thought they
were gonna end with how happy everyonewas, in that last scene, you'd
have to think they're going to tryto repeat it again just for customer satisfaction
in a way. Okay, allright, then Nora has to find her

(01:18:43):
kids then hm, well we'll seeher or her and Kevin have a baby
and they name it Sarah and that'sthat's not really, that's not really Norah.
That's Sarah. That's Kevin and anduh Norah's baby in the future Sarah.
M hmm. Well that's again,like that's that That very first caller
question of is was that Australia seenin the future or the present. It's

(01:19:05):
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