April 15, 2017 • 48 mins
The Leftovers with Jay and Jack is back with new co-host Mike Bloom! On this episode, Jay, Jack, and Mike talk about the trailer and look ahead at Season 3. Join their Facebook page at www.facebook.com/groups/jayandjackgroup. Become a Jay and Jack Patron! Check out their Patreon page for more information at www.patreon.com/jayandjack. Subscribe (MP3) l […]
Mark as Played
Transcript
Episode Transcript
Available transcripts are automatically generated. Complete accuracy is not guaranteed.
(00:02):
From Raleigh, North Carolina. It'sThe Leftovers with Jay and Jam, a
podcast dedicade to HBOS The Leftovers.So sit back, relax, and enjoy
the show. How brand, Welcometo The Leftovers with Jay, Jack and
Mike. My name is Jay,my name is Mike, and I'm Jack,
(00:26):
and welcome to the show. Yes, believe it or not, it's
been like a year in eight months? Like how how it's been forever?
I feel like since eight it was? It was Fall of twenty fifteen?
Was with the Leftovers? Was laston? No? It was twenty sixteen,
(00:49):
wouldn't it No? No Fall Fallof twenty fifteen. It's almost as
if this podcast temporarily disappeared from thefeet. I think it did. Um
and in between in that time,we have added another podcast to to this
podcast, none other than Mike Bloom. Someone's going to pick up the slack
that Jay brings each podcast. Ifyou were talking about paying up the slack.
(01:11):
Jack hasn't even seen the trailer notto not to blow up a spot.
What is the point? I watchedthe trailer last for season two.
This is what this trailer's pretty descriptiona thousand times and it's started off with
some cave woman coming out of acave. Breagnant cave woman. I'm like,
going, what the heck is this? This is a Texas Uh well
it was with technically, you know, prehistoric Texas. There were a lot
(01:34):
of cave women in Texas. Butbut yes, excited to come back after
you know, are in my opinion, one of the best seasons of a
TV show ever Season two of Leftovers. Um, and really excited to have
Mike Bloom of Westworld with Jay,Jack and Mike in like a million other
(01:55):
podcasts fame, uh, including anotherone going into Jane Jack. Uh,
you know network feed World, anew Fargo podcast. Mike, Yeah,
I'm happy to throw another podcast downthe bobby. Um. So, if
you guys are just going like Fargowith we were Actually I think we're talking
(02:16):
about this on our hangout the otherday. What's the Jay's going assistant,
says Jeremiah, Mike. What's thebilling is it? Mike, Jeremiah Jeremiah
Mike. I'm not entirely sure,you know, I think that I'll be
sort of a compromise between Jeremiah Iwere much like the Cohen Brothers of the
original Fargo source material, and thatyou know, we might just choose to
(02:38):
go buy one name together. Youknow, bill equal billing, no matter
what the order may be. ButI'm really excited, guys, because I
have a nice double dose of CarrieCoon coming up in the next week,
because those are the Not only iskry Coon a fantastic part of The Leftovers,
but she's also now a part ofthis third season cast of Fargo.
So I'm thrilled. She's one oflike the most underrated act because of our
(03:00):
generation in my opinion. Hopefully I'mnot sending too hyperbolic with that, So
I'm happy to be able to reallyget fully immersed in Carrie Coon because who
knows after ten weeks, who knowswhen we're going to see her again,
hopefully in some sort of projects sometimeafter that. That's a good one standing
in that season two actually season one, ye have the whole the whole time
on Left Theirs, but yea highlightof season one in my opinion, Yeah,
(03:23):
I would agree that season one wasfairly drab and dreary, but she
her. I think her episode isthe one that got me sold on the
show though the season one You're you'reready for my first ever Leftover's branded hot
take. Oh okay, all right, because I think I thought about this
because I've been rewatching the episodes,because I guess sort of my Leftover story
is that I've binged the first seasonand most of the second season during that
(03:46):
like summer fall twenty fifteen period,and I was able to watch the season
two finale live, so I caughtup just in time. But I'm rewatching
these episodes and listening to the podcastso I can be as well versus possible.
And the problem always with this showyou just talked about it Jay with
the first season, is like,how do you introduce the show to someone?
Because the first few episodes especially arepretty bleak and a little aimless in
(04:06):
comparison of narrative to the other episodes. I would say, if you're showing
the Leftovers to somebody to get theminto the show, do not show them
the first episode. Show them seasonone episode nine, the Garves at their
best, the prequel episode, sothat you get some insight as to what
the characters are. It's not completelydrab going in on the way and then
(04:29):
everything just sort of segway smoothly intothe first episode. It might be a
little weird. Some purists might saythat you're taking things totally out of context,
but I think that's an episode thatyou want to show people early on
to say, you know, ifyou're tracking things chronologically, this is where
these people came from and this iswhere they are now. So actually taking
a whole different direction, I sayskip season one, watch season two,
and then you go back and watchseason and people get, how can you
(04:51):
talk? Okay? So that thisbecause that you tell people to watch The
Leftovers, they watch season and theygo, this show's too depressing, I
can't watch. That's that's where Ilike Mike's take on it here. His
hot take, um is that yournew branded a thing you gotta get like
a you gotta get like a drumsall um. But uh, it's kind
(05:13):
of like with Star Wars they havethe Machette order um, where it's you
know you you go episodes four,five, then back to two, three,
six, and then I think theysay your skip episode one. Haltogether.
Yeah, there's some version that sayskip episode one. There's summer say
included. What if you're old likeme and you had no choice but this
(05:39):
this But for for a lot ofleft I mean honestly, Leftovers doesn't.
The first couple of seasons so farhasn't had a gigantic audience, but I
mean so a lot of people arestill coming into it. So when Jack,
you're you're talking about like what yousuggest to people, maybe Mike's hot
take of doing episode nine, whichis kind of you do it if there's
if there's if there's some kind ofsound effect it goes with the hot takes,
(06:00):
I will I will be on board. If it's just Mike's hot take.
Yeah, I'm just not buying it. I want like some like flame
broiled, sizzling sound effects like baconor something. Um, but I think
I thought whistles, I if there'sany I think because I don't agree with
Jack, I don't think you justskip season one because oh I agree with
(06:24):
Jack if you're because season two isamazing, but you do want to have
some context of the characters, theGarvies that are you know, a big
part of season two, um,and where it goes from there. But
the ones that are important in seasontwo are there season one, They're still
there in season yeah. Yeah,but I feel like you need the backstory
a little bit. So I likeepisode nine six, seven, eight ten.
(06:46):
Then you don't have the creepy twins. Find them creepy, there's kind
of boring. I don't think theywere creepy. I mean, here's maybe
another hot take. All the teenagersin maple To, New York were assholes,
bone of eye assholes. And thenwe're not We're not talking like teenage
tomfoolery, mischievous, you know,we're talking like full on sociopaths locking kids
(07:10):
in fridges just for fun, youknow, autoerotic asphyxiation. I don't have
that experience in high school. Idon't know if you guys did. You
can imagine the departure certainly left aremnant upon our youths in terms of how
they faced the world, But you'regoing a little over the top there.
So again, I feel like episodenine, seeing Jill at least be relatively
happy and a relatively normal teenager bysocietal standards is a good way to sort
(07:33):
of shift into the post departure Jill, who is basically like really weird version
of Daria. Well, and that'skind of what was nice. Did you
ever smile? Did she smile inseason when it's been so long as I've
seen it, it's usually those mischievousthe mischievous smiles when her and Amy were
(07:54):
screwing with the twins, for example, are like, you know, her
mouthing off to her father, whichwas all the time. That's we're in
season two, what's the deal withthe dogs? Um? But that's but
in season two where they kind offound this sanctuary if you will, and
there there was less of uh seasonone. It's showing you the procure,
(08:18):
the departure, and kind of thebreakdown of society. Um. And that's
why I think the season two kindof got out of that a little bit.
Um. But as as somebody thatum, uh, I just binged
it. Mike, what was yourthoughts on season two? Because from my
perspective, like this is just anamazing, amazing piece of television. Yeah.
(08:39):
So where I actually am currently inmy season two rewatch, Right before
we came on here, I wasfinishing up the season two episode six lens
not really fantastic conversation between Nora andErica Murphy in the home. Um,
just such such good acting. Imean, I do, I do completely
agree. I when you binge thingsall in a row, you sort of
(09:01):
get things muddle. That's why I'mactually usually not a fan of binging a
bunch of episodes in a row.Usually I'm the more moderate one to sort
of save like one or two episodesper week. But every episode this season
is just a knockout. You know, even the best seasons of drama or
comedy on TV, you can saylike, well, that episode is pretty
weak, or we could have donewithout that episode. But it really does
(09:22):
feel like every single episode in seasontwo is so well plotted, so well
acted, so well directed, sowell musically, both from a score perspective
and those rollicking tunes of old andnew that they decide to put on that
it honestly feels like there is nodeadweight in that regard. And that makes
me really excited for season three becauseyou know, now that they know they
have a final season, they agreedto it, and they have only eight
(09:45):
episodes. I don't think there's gonnabe any fat at all for them to
trim. It's gonna be nothing butnice puresting on. Yeah, only eight
episodes, and yeah, and andyou know, at the end of season
two, really into season two,if they didn't like, we're new for
this final season, you could havebeen satisfied. With it, you know,
like in terms of where. Andthat's why I say they should have
(10:07):
Constanza and said, I'm good,I'm addie. There's so much pressure on
this season. But here's the thing, Jack, So what if it's amazing,
do we take back what? Now? I will? I will,
I will take that back. Butif it's if it's if it's not amazing,
let's say I told you, well, you're putting a lot of pressure
on yourself. To Mike's point,though it's only eight episodes and any writer
(10:31):
worth there, you know, Oh, now you're calling out the writers.
I mean Damon Lindeloff. I trustDamon Lindeloff. And I can't wait for
that interview with Damon Lindloff. Wereuh, yeah, we should probably get
to that. Um. But uhbut yeah, I I trust him.
Um And based on the trailer andwe can talk about this, dig into
this. Uh it seems I waswatching it while you guys were talking.
(10:56):
Uh. Is it the one whereKevin Garvey's on a plane and gets dragged
off? No, those are becausebecause you won't, because he won't give
up his seat, Just kill me, just kill me something like that.
No, that's that's a different video, Jack different Oh said leftover. I
(11:16):
searched leftovers, and that's what came. Poor guys getting dragged off a plane
because he won't give up his seatanywhere and in serious as there are Actually
I was confused at first, Jack, because there are two trailers. There's
one that's like the official trailer andone that in binging the show, like
I constantly watch it as what theyput on before each episode on like HBO
now, which is what I have, And that latter one has them getting
(11:39):
on the plane, presumably to goto Australia. So that I was,
I was with you, Jack,until you made that very timely reference.
I'm sorry, I thought that's whatbecause I was, I was sold.
It's funny those I really wanted tosee what happened. Would you say,
would you say you were over soldto Jack on that trailer? Yeah,
But then I was looking at theguy. I said, that doesn't look
like Kevin Garby, is you know, just just in the threw um we're
(12:03):
kind of the similar. But uh, but it's funny. It's like this
could be like a Laddin where it'sa great movie but you go back and
watch it and all the nineties referencesthat were thrown in by Robin Williams don't
hold up as well. For maybepeople that go back and listen to this
podcast with they're catching up on theshow, they'll be like, what the
reference is this? I don't Idon't get it. He's drunk again?
(12:24):
Um? But uh no, Soyes, it seems in the trailer because
there it's it's kind of the PAof the the airline attendant kind of doing
the drill, but instead it's kindof talking about it seems like we've had
the um the rapture. Now we'rehaving the flood that's gonna wipe out mostly
(12:45):
everybody, and is Australia going tobe the only land mass that survives?
Uh or we're having the North Arcseason. It all starts with the Australia.
What's what's your take on that,Mike, Yeah, it's it's strange
because both trailers seem really focused onthis idea. They've done a little bit
of a time jump as well.They're now seven years after the departure,
(13:09):
which I think puts it Yeah,which I think puts it at what like
twenty eighteen? Was the departure intwenty eleven? Maybe I might be incorrect
with that. But yeah, sothere's now this other big event coming and
it is tough. You were justtalking about it to serve see how do
you move on from the second season? And it's clear from at least the
(13:31):
third season's trailer that they're just gonnakeep piling on more the same, which
we love. But I mean,and again, you know, at this
point, people who didn't want tobe spoiled about the trailer should have probably
jumped off by now. But justin case, make your leave. We'll
come back after the first episode andtalk about it. But I don't think
it matters because again, the trailerdidn't show us anything last year. I
mean, I have two counts inthe trailers of Kevin dying, of him
(13:54):
getting put underwater, so it seemslike we're going back to that hotel at
least two more times. Want toget all I want to get a counter
of if Kevin Garvey or a catwill have more lies by the end of
the left over right now we're atwe're on he's on his third right.
I think the women like the KevinGarby hotel scenes too. You just want
(14:16):
to just have him constantly choose anoutfit over and over again, standing Charlotts
in his closet, come to thebathtub. So I think, yeah,
that one in particular, I guess, uh yeah, Kevin Garvey coming out
of the bathtub, that's the best. Also, one of the things you
mentioned from the trailer, I guessbeards have now caught on in the world
of the Leftovers. I don't knowif you notice this, Jay, but
(14:37):
we have a beard on Kevin,a beard on Matt, a beard on
John Murphy. We haven't seen Tommy. I'm assuming he has a beard as
well. I just you have toassume that everyone has just started to don
these biblical esque facial hair in preparationfor what's to come with the flow.
Well, it's I it's and thething is, it's like good when I
(14:58):
saw it's a really good beard,Like it's good beard. I guess as
somebody that's tried to grow. Yeah, you're like patchy, patchy. But
it's not like it's it's it's dick. It's it's like Kevin Garvey's. It's
kind of look at look on theside of your cheek right there the other
side, say, it's kind oflike a pet. It doesn't grow there
(15:20):
it does, it's there, youknow whatever. I'm turning off the camera
now enough of your criticisms. Criticism. Uh, it's if it's twenty eighteen,
like you said, the seven years, then beards are in in their
timeline as well. But you neverknow, I mean, don't they say
that like things that catch on inone area, like they always say that
(15:43):
Canada for example, And no offensefor Canadian listeners out there, but I'm
saying that, like Canada is likefive years behind the trends of the United
States. Who knows how far behindAustralia is. You know, they still
might be doing things back that werepopular in like twenty fourteen. You know,
then we might see a lot ofdabbing in Australia. It's gonna be
five years before Canada is great again, um lord um. But uh,
(16:07):
you know, maybe maybe the floodis related to the current events of the
world. Who knows. Um.I still I still say that we're gonna
find out at the end of theshow, the end of the show that
the people that that departed were thepeople were seeing, not the people that
we don't see, like, uh, what's her name, Norah's family,
(16:29):
but like Norah's family didn't depart Norahdepartments. So that's that's what I That's
why I'm hoping they go with itthis year. I kat kind of had
that theory midway through last season.I think stuthing like that. I think
it was definitely as good as agutter cleaning, but it's it's a new
knows it'll be. We'll see howmuch beardy gutter cleaning happens. Kevin's a
settled down man, so who knows. But it left. It's on HBO.
(16:52):
You know they'd love to string upa man in the stock aids last
season and show flapping peans, somaybe we'll see more of that. So
what I will say in response tothat is that, you know, in
preseason Pressed before this, Carrie Coondid say, Hey, this ending is
really satisfying and ties up a lotof loose ends and people will enjoy it.
(17:12):
Which it's kind of weird, youknow, in a post lost post
How I Met Your Mother World.I do feel like a lot of TV
say in their final season, like, don't enjoy the ending. Don't worry
though. I know that sometimes youjust sort of want to let the mystery
be in a way and let thelet the viewers think what they want to
think. But I feel like usingthat logic that theory is awesome, definitely
(17:33):
a game changer in terms of storytelling, But that raises so many questions.
The big one that I would haveis you have this really mystical element near
the end of the first season andthroughout the second season of some men or
male characters on the show being ableto see dead people or spirits. Particular
Kevin and Patty those are that's thebig, you know, matchup of season
(17:56):
two. But even in season one, you have you know, Dean,
the random dog shooting guy talking tosomeone, Kevin Senior obviously having own time
talking to two voices. So you'dhave to wonder, like, if that's
the case, if these are thepeople that are departed, and they're in
some sort of purgatory or in somesort of another world, we don't exactly
know, how does that incorporate intoit? Are we saying that, like
(18:17):
Dean is you know, an angel, an archangel that's able to ferry between
the two different planes of existence?You know, when Kevin killed Patty,
did he actually send Patty back tolive on Earth? That it just raises
it's a cool theory, but itraised this way too many questions. Every
time it was it Dean right,every time he kills a dog and Angel
(18:37):
gets his wings. Well, it'sit's it's funny because I recently didn't have
the Internet and so I had torely on this called Blue Raised for my
entertainment. So I put in theinception blue. I haven't seen inception in
forever, and the killing one togo back into maybe the real world reminded
me of how an inception, ifthey kill you in the dream, you
(19:00):
wake up. Um, but I'mwith Mike on that though, Like it's
almost where if a show is endinglike pulling one of those kind of trick
ending type things, um just isn'tgonna land. Well, so if you're
saying they were really the departed thewhole time is almost as bad as like
they were dead the whole time.I just I disagree. You could you
(19:22):
could have it like there's eight episodes. You got the seventh episode where they
we realize that's what's happened, andthen hold that whole episode is seeing how
Nora's family reacts to Nora not beingthere, and then you wrap that whole
thing up. And then if it'sthe end of the world type thing that
sound exhausting. How to explained,like, like Mike's said earlier, how
many times is does a cat diemore get more lives than Kevin Garvey?
(19:44):
I mean, how many times doesthat guy? He should be dead?
Because so you're you're taking like justone person that we kind of have to
suspend this belief and to everybody,a lot of people have survived. How
do you explain little little uh butthat something special about the town was his
ability to die and come back again? Like, will you still have that?
I guess if Australia maybe some typeof you know, uh sister place
(20:11):
that has the same properties or whatever, it's a sister play. Okay,
going back to Loss, there wasa s episode SOS where she went to
Australia. She went to Australia.Oh my god, it's all coming together.
Yeah, And ironically enough, theseason three trailer uses ABBA's SOS as
the background music, so it allconnects. Um, what do you mean
(20:33):
your mom? Your mom doesn't likeAbba? She said, she hated who
hates ABBA's like cotton candy? Likeit's just some people. I mean,
I mean you can say, Okay, I'm not I don't care for that
music. She goes, I hateAbba. I can see people hating Abba.
But let's get back on topic here. Um with uh, could you
say that maybe with the big twistreveal is that the Leftovers is also with
(21:00):
in Loss multi universe multiverse? Um? Well, what with that? With
the theories like with Pixar where theykind of show how it's all in the
same universe or something like that,where you know, with the connections now
with Australia being this place of importance, do they want to go down that
road though? That's kind Oh oh, so you you can have this one
(21:23):
where they're all they're really the departed, not the other people. But I'm
bringing up when where it's all possiblyin the same universe. You're saying,
you're trying to say, let's youknow, maybe like Lost, you don't
they can't go down the same roadas Lost. Plus if they the departure
takes place, when did it FlightA fifteen crash like two thousand and four,
(21:44):
So they clip like a talking headbeing like, oh, all these
people disappeared more people than flight eightone five ago. Remember that you remember
that flight? Well? Yes,remember, I mean I don't know.
It's just by that point he'd belike old news that he really cares about
it anymore. It could, it'spossible. I'm just saying it's possible.
(22:07):
They shouldn't go down the lost road, because they're not going down the lost
road. It's just it's one ofthose nice little sides that's where it could
said, where it could possibly existwithin the same universe. That's all.
That's all I'm just saying, throwingit out there. The key is a
hotel, right, Um, Sodo we think there is going to be
a fled and only the Garves survive? I don't think only the Garves will
(22:33):
survived. I think it's really interestingthat you talked about how the ending of
season two could function as a seriousfinale, And I love that final shot
that's sort of tracking shot of Kevinand his home with essentially the main cast
around him. Yea, that doesn'tinclude just the Garvies with a wound of
the gut where he's just leading.Yeah. Ye, But I mean looking
(22:59):
at the the casting four season three, it looks like, and again we
have no idea, it's gonna beanother matter of geography and how they might
change from Texas to Australia and whogoes and who stays. But it seems
like the Murphy's are along for theride this season as well, which you
might not expect. Considering that,I think you would think that initially their
story would get wrapped up, unfortunatelyin a little bit of a bittersweet context
(23:22):
in that ev was a member ofthe gr Not sure how she'll change from
here on out, but you'd haveto imagine that they're going to be involved
in some capacity as well. Itwill be interesting to see, you know.
I don't think any of these charactersoutside of Patty have died on the
show. Again, with the exceptionof Kevin Teflon Kevin Nobody, no main
characters have been killed off so far, which is pretty staggering. You have
(23:47):
to wonder if loss is going orif if leftovers going to go the route
of lost and start, you know, slaughtering people by the masses, or
if they're really going to keep thisgroup close knit and together if and when
this impending flood comes. That's agood a good call out. You know
that this show hasn't killed off amajor character that we like love, which
(24:07):
is it's it's surprising especially like themodern Uh, in this Golden era of
television, you love Patty well,but Patty's kind of like an anti an
anti antagonist versus and you and youlove you. I feel like we love
Patty Moore when she was getting underKevin's skin as yes, anthem of a
spirit. You know you didn't.She had a few fun scenes when she
(24:29):
was alive, but I feel likeshe look she really came more alive when
she functioned in the afterlife instead ofwhen she was in this plant of existence.
Um so uh but yeah so uh. No, no major character has
been killed off, which in theGolden era of television, it seems to
be a trope that's done a lot, like where you kill off somebody that
you love and it's very emotional,everybody cries and lost was kind of uh
(24:53):
one of the earlier people that didthat. Uh. And you know,
Joss Sweeten loves killing you know,main characters to you, so uh,
it's surprising that it hasn't happened yet. So or has it happened they've been
Have they been dead the whole timethat we find that out? So?
How can you kill people already dead? Listen? The one another one left
(25:17):
on the loss of analogies, theone the one hole, I well,
one of the other holes. I'llpoke in your theory, Jack, They
do they really want to dedicate anepisode to Norah's asshole of a husband,
Sebastian arcalist Doug, who cheated onher with the kindergarten teacher. Yeah,
because Doug, Doug needs some redemption. I do actually, Oh boy,
I do have a question about themthough. Do you think we're gonna see
(25:38):
any season one characters who weren't inseason two come back? Are we gonna
see like Amy make her return,or the twins that we hated so much,
or even Dean? Do you thinkthere's a chance or do you think
we're just like leaving Mabel timb Maybethe drowning, maybe the flood is just
the two twins in a in ain a pool and they drowned. What
do you think? Um? Ihonestly, what I loved out season two
(26:00):
is it kind of did shed someof the excess weight of characters that weren't,
you know, very good. Ithink so I'd be I'd be okay
for the actors, but their roles. It's kind of like I don't need
to see these people because like Dean'sjust weird, like just it just didn't.
I don't that never really paid off, did it? Right? No?
(26:22):
I mean he goes, yeah,he would just sort of came in.
He helped Kevin get Patty during oneof his blackouts. They had a
big brew haha. Dean revealed thatmaybe he had his own passenger that he
was talking to, and then helaughed, and that's the last we saw
him. Same sort of weird unresolved thing with Amy, where you know,
Jill accused Amy, did you havesex with my father? And she
(26:45):
got angry and walked out of thehouse in a huff. So maybe they're
using that as a metaphor that,like, not all characters have perfect endings,
but it is very unresolved. Myeah, I'd be okay breviously then
unresolved personally personally, but which whichcharacter? But like season one characters like
like Dean, and like, I'mfine, like I didn't Season two was
(27:07):
amazing. I didn't need them inseason two for it to be amazing.
So I'm okay if we just leavethem behind him, I think more of
it. We're gonna see more ofthe Kevin Garby Senior Oh definitely. That's
where he went. Yeah, hewent to Australia. Yeah, exactly.
But it's seven years later. Howhow old is he? I feel like,
I feel like Kevin Senior is aguy who like goes gray early.
(27:29):
Like I feel like he could feasiblybe in like his sixties seventies seven years
later. He's not like decrepit.Hell, he was like a police chief
before the departure happened, So youhave to imagine that he was at least
a pretty good age, a sustainableage to boot. Yeah, he's born
in nineteen forty one, Scott Glint. Plus, I mean if if he
(27:49):
you know, lives that, heseems he's like living off the land,
that holistic lifestyle. He was thefirst man in space, so there you
go. Plus Plus, he wascleaning the gutters with the mayor, who
seemed significantly younger than him back inseason one. I forgot about that.
Yeah, so that's that's another Seasonone character I could do without. I
(28:10):
was. I was not a fanof the no nonsense mayor, Yeah she
was. I didn't like her either, agreed, agreed, Um, So
if there is a death count thisseason, or do you think they go
the opposite rap where it's kind ofhappy endings for everybody that we care about.
Um. I was really strange thatit was trased that season two almost
(28:33):
ended like that, just because theshow, even though it brightened a bit
in season two, was more soabout like the the harshness that can come
with the day to day struggle.Um. I mean, the big question
is are we going to get ourMatt Jamison episode. I requisite Matt Jamison
episode where everything wrong happens to himbut he still ends up coming out okay,
(28:55):
or does it finally catch up withhim and he dies a miserable death?
Wow? Right? Is that toodark? That's a character everybody loves.
You want to kill him? Iknow? But he is kind of
John Locke of this show. Now, well he's got John Locke's job.
John Locke believed he was something else. Matt just is a nice guy,
(29:18):
right, Am I right? Hejust he just? Am I right?
Or? Am I right? Hecares for his wife, does the same
thing every day. Who's now she'sshe's also now another factor. She's now
completely alive, kicking fancy free.So Jackie must be so happy. Now
they're finally utilizing Janell Maloney's talents exactlygood. That drove me crazy all the
(29:40):
time. I am well aware ofyour anger about having her on the bill.
She's a great I said, Igo, I could do her role.
But in offense, I mean,it's a pretty sweet gig. There's
I said. There's better to besome I'm sure I said it. There
better be some payoff, because you'regetting sad credits, you're getting paid.
I don't know. I've been listeningto The West Wing Weekly, which is
(30:03):
an episodic coverage of The West Wingby one of the former cast members and
a big devotee. They had aninterview with Jena Maloney in season one,
and she's actually seemed a little saucyabout the fact that she was playing a
part where she essentially just had tosit there and do nothing the entire time.
She's like, oh, I wasgrateful when I had a roll back
in the day where I actually talkedand walked around. Oh so she was
(30:25):
she's angry. Yeah, she's angrytoo. Yeah she was on your side,
Jack. I agree again, youcould have got anybody to play that
part, though, But now she'syou know, she's awake, so okay,
Well, she better not go backto sleep because I don't know.
The big question though, is thatI and the episode I just watched Lens
Nora gets a call from this womanbeing like you have been, you know,
(30:48):
be visited by the spirit of asReel, and you will cause chaos
upon everyone you encounter. And youhave to wonder if that is a true
thing. Is it affecting her andher brother as which is again why Matt
just has the worst luck or encountersthe worst people in the world. And
if so, shouldn't Mary have stayedcatatonic because now I sort of fear for
(31:08):
her now that she's alive, She'sgonna like walk off a cliff or something
in Australia in the middle of theoutback. But with is that better though,
than about than just uh, Idon't know, being catatonic or at
least she can Matt like, Okay, at least now her stories resolved,
(31:29):
I guess then just yeah, Iguess that's that's what You're gonna be a
reason to kill her off if theydecided to take that choice, which again
would be horrible for this man.He's like, great, finally got my
wife back in a cognitive state.I have my child and she's gone.
Maybe the writers listen to that episodeof the West World West World, the
West Wing podcast and her complains it, all right, well you know how
(31:49):
to deal with you like Joey andJoy and friends. Two lines and then
boom boom, like just like thesegue owner. The person that owns segue,
he died over. I know,I know that's not funny because that's
really morbid. Yeah, so sorry, I took it really dark, guys.
That's my fault. I was goingI was season one left ever Yeah,
(32:12):
I see past. All right,we start with this pregnant woman who's
the cave woman. Um. Yeah, any any weird um stuff like that
this season, like just like gofifteen thousand years BC or something like any
weird open like that. I don'tknow about the weird open. I mean
(32:34):
you have to wonder. They sortof opened Pandora's box in a way right
with season two. But not onlywith that opening, but as you said,
before, completely relocating them to anothersetting and just abandoning characters. I
feel like now that they're able todo that, I feel like they have
to keep doing it right. Theycan't really settle back into the norm,
So you have to wonder are theygoing to go for another big opening,
(32:54):
maybe the plane trip is going tobe that opening. And then we do
sort of like a media red aswe flash back sort of like what happened
in season two to like how didthey end up getting there? I could
totally imagine that, or it couldbe something completely bonkers in the year like
three thousand and fifteen after the floodtook place and they rebuilt society. Yeah,
because like, uh see, episodeone just followed the Murphys. We
(33:16):
didn't even really see the Garves onlykind of in passing towards the end of
episode one. So you had theyou know, fifteen thousand years BC,
and then you had following the Murphys, and then you we didn't even see
the Garves kind of move into theend of that episode, and it was
through the perspective um or of theMurphys. Well, luckily they in season
(33:37):
two they had Regina King and theydidn't just have her sit there. They
had a great actress and said okay, we're gonna have you do something.
They did a little bit though,they said okay, you can do something,
but you can't be able to hear. So they're still trying to like
challenges onto you like doubledare a littlephysical challenges. Um, we've had a
(34:00):
double Dare reference on this episode.It's something in season when I know we're
doing it right. Um, Butyeah, so I really I I kind
of I hope, I hope it'sit follows the same. If there's only
three seasons, there's no reason tokind of uh to play to type um
or or to kind of go theeasier out. They can do whatever they
(34:20):
want, and UM, I hope, I hope it's just as um out
of left field as as season twowas. I think that's what UM really
made that season really special. Whatif the opening is them in the plane
going to Australia, there's some turbulenceand then they cut to Desmond in the
hatch and they just go just kidding? Would that be funny? No earlier,
(34:46):
well what noble? What if itwas it showed Desmond, but then
it panned out to show that thatwas on the screen playing on the plane
as they actually I would give ita full standing ovation if they open like
that, would that would show someguts? That'd be amazing. Oh now
(35:07):
I hope they do that. Iknow that like HBO and Disney are probably
competing, uh you know, mogulsmedia models. But yeah, you figured
Lindeloff would have that sense of humorthat he would do that. Yeah,
just a mess with the fans.Show the plane and then like bikes.
But then you you're got, whatdo they do it? Then you just
realized. Then you realize, oh, they're just watching an episode of loss.
(35:28):
Okay, plane seption a plane withina plane. Yeah, there you
go, kind of like an airwhen airplane where they're showing the plane movie
a airport where the planes are crawed. Oh yeah yeah yeah. Um,
but hopes and thoughts here for thelast season. What are kind of your
guys's hopes? Uh for the show? Um? Jack wants them all to
(35:52):
be dead the whole time, orall to be departed. Don't be dead
because they departed there isn't another dimension. Okay, so he wants he wants
an m Night Shamlin twist. That'shis hopes and desires up. To be
honest with, my hopes is thatpeople start watching this show just in time
(36:12):
for it to end. Yeah,exactly, doesn't matter that it's not,
it doesn't matter. It needs toget recognitions. You need to get some,
but it will be one of thoseshows that who won an Emmy on
this show? No, in auniverse and a universe where The Wire did
not win any Emmy's. I thinkit's totally in the worm of possibilities that
The Leftovers goes winless or even nominationless at the Emmy's. Yeah, it's
(36:35):
crazy. Um, what I willwhat I will say for something that I
hope to see is actually in referenceto a character we have not talked about
this entire podcast. I want tosee Live Tiroler as Meg get her come
up in some way, shape orform. Yes, it's really fun rewatching
these episodes because I think watching itat the time, especially the second season,
you're like, how the hell didMeg become a GR leader? You
(36:59):
know? Was it just sort ofeveryone else was away and she stepped up
to it. But even from thebeginning you can tell that when she gets
into the GR she's a little different. Yeah, like she she was always
seeking violent retribution while she's an initiatein that program instead of everyone else who
really practices sort of non violent aggressionallows people to take out their aggressions upon
them. You know, she wasthe one that helped plan this big maneuver
(37:21):
of you know, let's bull blowa hole in the bridge so people can
infiltrate the town at the end ofseason two. So she kind of is
in a way the big bad ofseason three. I don't know if she'll
follow them to Australia, but ifshe does, I think it would be
really fun for her to get hercome up ins. Yeah, I agree,
that would be awesome. She dies, but again it's another like bad,
(37:42):
like anybody that we wouldn't like.Her death I think would be okay.
She had a Kevin No. Imean, that's just our think about
that, but um no, Ithink I think that's a really good,
a really good call out in her. My hopes for this season is I
hope that Kevin Garvey finds peace.And that's that's what I loved about the
(38:06):
Innocison two where it seems like hecame home and his family was there,
his like extended family and his friends, and it seemed like Kevin Garvey had
peace. I would guess it's notso much the case in season three.
So my hope would be it's theend of season two I thought was just
a perfect end to the show.Possibly um and it's probably, you know,
(38:29):
naive of me to hope that it'sa similar type satisfying ending the ways
and two ends it ended there.I would have thought Kevin Garvey, my
opinion would have been he died withhis family around him, because that's what
you say everything again, you're justa nice He had shot, He had
a gunshot wound, who he laidthere for hours. You don't survive a
gunshot wound laying there for hours.It'll be interesting, though, tracking where
(38:52):
Kevin goes from here, because likeyou said, Jay, he isn't a
very peaceful place. And again,if from all were to interpolate from the
trailer, it looks like he hasa very large role, maybe a savior
like role to play in what's impending. And so maybe he's sort of like
at peace with his situation and hesort of gets pulled out of that comfort
to say like, okay, youhave an important role. Now, this
(39:15):
is what you need to do.So he sort of his has leadership foisted
upon him even when he doesn't wantit, which might again bring up some
more problems. Not I like peacefulGary much more than yelling f bombs all
the time screening children. Is heis he with Lorie Now, he's definitely
(39:36):
with Nora. The question is willLorie and Tommy if the if that family
goes to Australia, do you thinkLorie and Tommy follow him there? You
know, do you think they're gonnahang out in Jardin? We're not entirely
sort has to because she's a pain. That's that's her whole role is just
to be the troublemaker. But thething is, like, it's very similar
(39:58):
if it is this this arc ifyou will um uh uh that joke was
dead the whole time. That wasum you know, like Noah I kind
of had his responsibilities kind of thrownupon him, like I didn't ask,
(40:20):
you know, to be He's justkind of like given these orders to follow
everyone to um and uh. Soit is will he follow a similar storyline
or a similar type story arc umor character arc um where you know,
his voices, whoever talks to himgives him direction on what he has to
(40:43):
do to possibly save uh what willbe left of humanity? I mean could
be well, see does he seePatty again? Hmm? I's took good
question. Or if if he does, does he see her in a different
light? Because you'd assume that hesensibly killed that part of her that was
(41:08):
sort of haunting him and singing nevergonna give you up rather maniacally to him.
You have to wonder if maybe there'sanother form of Patty that we're not
seeing. I mean, when hekilled her in that well, she turned
into a child for a bit,So maybe there's other forms that she can
take on and killed and he killedthat Patty too. Yeah, that was
(41:29):
a great scene, by the way, it was a good season two.
I'm amazing. I haven't gotten back. I haven't gotten back to International Assassin
in my rewatch it, but I'msuper excited about it because it feels like
even just like a dissertation on aphilosophy in the afterlife, packed into like
an hour long show. It's anamazing episode of television. I agree.
(41:49):
I agree Uk in that episode,and I think that was the one that
was written by Carlton Cus's son,and it was a really just perfect,
just close to big on the podcastLostian show. All right, any any
final thoughts here for our season threepreview cast. I mean, the fun
(42:16):
thing about the Leftovers is that we'remaking all these predictions and hopes and wants
now and The Leftovers is such acreatively endeavored show that it could just throw
all those out the window and goin a completely new direction and we're still
going to be along for the ride. I think it has. It has.
It was a good show, Apretty good show in season one,
depending on the episode you would watch, got fantastic in season two. I
(42:38):
have full confidence that they will deliverin season three, but so much time
and you know, so little episodesto tell a Storian. I'm really excited
for how things are gonna go.And I'm so so excited and flattered to
be joining you guys as well forthe final season. I love listening to
you guys cover The Leftovers, andyou know, this and West World are
probably the closest we're gonna get too, last being back on our screens anytime
(43:00):
soon. So I'm happy to bealong with the ride for you for both.
Yeah, we're happy to have you. Uh. It keeps, it
keeps j in his toes, oryou know, at least it keeps the
they're all dead theories at bay justenough, just enough to keep those at
bay they don't have. Now it'snow it's two against one instead of one.
On one, but we will bediscussing it all season long. We're
(43:23):
actually doing a special live Leftovers podcast. The second episode is that's no third,
It's like, it's got to bethe third because May sixth, Well,
that mean a third episode this weekis the sixteen. It's it's the
it's the Yeah, so it's it'sMay seventh, So it's the fourth episode.
(43:46):
Halfway traditional play point in the finalseason. That will be fun to
UM live broadcasts from our home HeredioWest two. We'll be having our podcasts
get together. If anybody's interested injoining that, you can feel free to
(44:07):
check out the information on our Facebookand Facebook comment slast group, Slash Jay
and Jack group. Mike will behere. Jack will be here some of
the time. He has to workon Saturday unfortunately, UM. But it'll
be a big fun weekend and we'llclose it out with a live Leftovers with
Jay, Jack and Mike. UM. If any Barnes give feedback, the
number is three eight five three Onine zero three eleven, call any time
(44:30):
once against three eight five three zeronine zero three eleven. Call any time
with your questions, comments and threeor theories. UM. I think just
you actually okay, you can alsofrozen to me. Send an email to
Lost Podcasts at gmail dot com GusLost Podcast at gmail dot com. So
(44:52):
after the first episode, what didwe ever get a new eat? We
might have, but I can't findit. Actually the old pod guest,
uh, Mike the Lost Podcast,didn't we know you? You change?
You change the number in the beginningof the second season. Yes, the
number change. We lost the numbertwo changed. I wouldn't give it back,
(45:15):
right, Um, yeah, whatever, it's not a big deal.
We got our own number. Nowthat's ours. It can't be taken.
I love that number. Well,you could have, you know, stepped
up. I offered five bucks.Um. And this actually is a patron's
choice show, and for we arguingwith putting this on our leftovers feed as
(45:36):
well as our Patron's choice. Butgenerally this is an exclusive for our patrons
that contribute five dollars or more amonth um and this is the topic that
they chose for this month. Um. But if you'd like to become a
patrons today and contribute whatever you can, um, there's a bunch of different
perks along the way. You cancheck that all out on patreon dot com.
Slash Jay and Jack that's Pa tR e O N dot com slash
(46:00):
Jay and Jack, or go toJay and Jack dot com and click on
the become a link to become apatron today. We have a full list
of all of our patrons that wethink on that website as well. I
want to thank Tack from Tokyo,Eckhart Richter, and Molly the Millennial for
their contributions. Especially, um,that will do it for this show.
But you stop Amazon, all right, Jack, give this spiel. It's
(46:22):
Amazon dot com slash jan Jack.No, it's j Jack dot com Amazon.
I knew it. I just we'regonna give your spot away to Jena
Maloney for providing these amazons. Nowthat's to say, but I could do
that part again. Very very thankfulthat Mike's joining the show the season.
(46:45):
Um, well then he should dothe Amazon thing. No, come on,
Jack, slash Amazon. No JaneJack dot com. Oh, Jay
Jack dot coms information personal account.All right, that's we'll do it for
(47:06):
this episode. Slash Amazon. Afterthe first, Mike, you do a
lot of podcasts. We're gonna andother people hear you. You can follow
me on Twitter at a Mike bloomTimes. That's the best place to keep
track of all the shenanigans that Ido. But just to talk briefly about
something that Jay mentioned at the verybeginning, I'm happy to be bringing some
Fargo coverage to Jay and Jack,myself and Jeremiah pan Horse, who's a
(47:30):
great podcaster in his own right.He covered mad Men extensively back in the
day, big fan of Fargo aswell. At the time we're recording this,
we're gonna put out a little previewchit chat about season three coming out
later this week, but we'll becovering them usually on Thursdays, and we'll
give out some more information about that. But I'm very excited to be covering
that exclusively for Jane and Jack.Outside of that, I do SNL podcast,
(47:52):
RuPaul's Drag Race other reality show stuffas well, but just check it
out on my Twitter. I giveout all the information there. Beautiful.
All right, Jack, where ifpeople find you? Um, nobody cares.
Okay, let's run the street somewhere. I don't know. I'm wandering,
healed myself, mumbling Amazon and Jack, Amazon, Amazon people, this
(48:15):
guy's crazy get away from Amazon.Also, Jack's really good at vague booking,
so you just gotta check out hisTwitter. It's just it's like there's
there's Ruperts and then there's Jack.It's just it's they're there. His tweets
are fantastic. I can't tell allof he's frozen. Those tweets are amazy.
(48:40):
All right, that we'll do itfor this episode. We'll see you
guys next time Aslowego, and goodbyebye
From Raleigh, North Carolina. It'sThe Leftovers with Jay and Jam, a
podcast dedicade to HBOS The Leftovers.So sit back, relax, and enjoy
the show. How brand, Welcometo The Leftovers with Jay, Jack and
Mike. My name is Jay,my name is Mike, and I'm Jack,
(00:26):
and welcome to the show. Yes, believe it or not, it's
been like a year in eight months? Like how how it's been forever?
I feel like since eight it was? It was Fall of twenty fifteen?
Was with the Leftovers? Was laston? No? It was twenty sixteen,
(00:49):
wouldn't it No? No Fall Fallof twenty fifteen. It's almost as
if this podcast temporarily disappeared from thefeet. I think it did. Um
and in between in that time,we have added another podcast to to this
podcast, none other than Mike Bloom. Someone's going to pick up the slack
that Jay brings each podcast. Ifyou were talking about paying up the slack.
(01:11):
Jack hasn't even seen the trailer notto not to blow up a spot.
What is the point? I watchedthe trailer last for season two.
This is what this trailer's pretty descriptiona thousand times and it's started off with
some cave woman coming out of acave. Breagnant cave woman. I'm like,
going, what the heck is this? This is a Texas Uh well
it was with technically, you know, prehistoric Texas. There were a lot
(01:34):
of cave women in Texas. Butbut yes, excited to come back after
you know, are in my opinion, one of the best seasons of a
TV show ever Season two of Leftovers. Um, and really excited to have
Mike Bloom of Westworld with Jay,Jack and Mike in like a million other
(01:55):
podcasts fame, uh, including anotherone going into Jane Jack. Uh,
you know network feed World, anew Fargo podcast. Mike, Yeah,
I'm happy to throw another podcast downthe bobby. Um. So, if
you guys are just going like Fargowith we were Actually I think we're talking
(02:16):
about this on our hangout the otherday. What's the Jay's going assistant,
says Jeremiah, Mike. What's thebilling is it? Mike, Jeremiah Jeremiah
Mike. I'm not entirely sure,you know, I think that I'll be
sort of a compromise between Jeremiah Iwere much like the Cohen Brothers of the
original Fargo source material, and thatyou know, we might just choose to
(02:38):
go buy one name together. Youknow, bill equal billing, no matter
what the order may be. ButI'm really excited, guys, because I
have a nice double dose of CarrieCoon coming up in the next week,
because those are the Not only iskry Coon a fantastic part of The Leftovers,
but she's also now a part ofthis third season cast of Fargo.
So I'm thrilled. She's one oflike the most underrated act because of our
(03:00):
generation in my opinion. Hopefully I'mnot sending too hyperbolic with that, So
I'm happy to be able to reallyget fully immersed in Carrie Coon because who
knows after ten weeks, who knowswhen we're going to see her again,
hopefully in some sort of projects sometimeafter that. That's a good one standing
in that season two actually season one, ye have the whole the whole time
on Left Theirs, but yea highlightof season one in my opinion, Yeah,
(03:23):
I would agree that season one wasfairly drab and dreary, but she
her. I think her episode isthe one that got me sold on the
show though the season one You're you'reready for my first ever Leftover's branded hot
take. Oh okay, all right, because I think I thought about this
because I've been rewatching the episodes,because I guess sort of my Leftover story
is that I've binged the first seasonand most of the second season during that
(03:46):
like summer fall twenty fifteen period,and I was able to watch the season
two finale live, so I caughtup just in time. But I'm rewatching
these episodes and listening to the podcastso I can be as well versus possible.
And the problem always with this showyou just talked about it Jay with
the first season, is like,how do you introduce the show to someone?
Because the first few episodes especially arepretty bleak and a little aimless in
(04:06):
comparison of narrative to the other episodes. I would say, if you're showing
the Leftovers to somebody to get theminto the show, do not show them
the first episode. Show them seasonone episode nine, the Garves at their
best, the prequel episode, sothat you get some insight as to what
the characters are. It's not completelydrab going in on the way and then
(04:29):
everything just sort of segway smoothly intothe first episode. It might be a
little weird. Some purists might saythat you're taking things totally out of context,
but I think that's an episode thatyou want to show people early on
to say, you know, ifyou're tracking things chronologically, this is where
these people came from and this iswhere they are now. So actually taking
a whole different direction, I sayskip season one, watch season two,
and then you go back and watchseason and people get, how can you
(04:51):
talk? Okay? So that thisbecause that you tell people to watch The
Leftovers, they watch season and theygo, this show's too depressing, I
can't watch. That's that's where Ilike Mike's take on it here. His
hot take, um is that yournew branded a thing you gotta get like
a you gotta get like a drumsall um. But uh, it's kind
(05:13):
of like with Star Wars they havethe Machette order um, where it's you
know you you go episodes four,five, then back to two, three,
six, and then I think theysay your skip episode one. Haltogether.
Yeah, there's some version that sayskip episode one. There's summer say
included. What if you're old likeme and you had no choice but this
(05:39):
this But for for a lot ofleft I mean honestly, Leftovers doesn't.
The first couple of seasons so farhasn't had a gigantic audience, but I
mean so a lot of people arestill coming into it. So when Jack,
you're you're talking about like what yousuggest to people, maybe Mike's hot
take of doing episode nine, whichis kind of you do it if there's
if there's if there's some kind ofsound effect it goes with the hot takes,
(06:00):
I will I will be on board. If it's just Mike's hot take.
Yeah, I'm just not buying it. I want like some like flame
broiled, sizzling sound effects like baconor something. Um, but I think
I thought whistles, I if there'sany I think because I don't agree with
Jack, I don't think you justskip season one because oh I agree with
(06:24):
Jack if you're because season two isamazing, but you do want to have
some context of the characters, theGarvies that are you know, a big
part of season two, um,and where it goes from there. But
the ones that are important in seasontwo are there season one, They're still
there in season yeah. Yeah,but I feel like you need the backstory
a little bit. So I likeepisode nine six, seven, eight ten.
(06:46):
Then you don't have the creepy twins. Find them creepy, there's kind
of boring. I don't think theywere creepy. I mean, here's maybe
another hot take. All the teenagersin maple To, New York were assholes,
bone of eye assholes. And thenwe're not We're not talking like teenage
tomfoolery, mischievous, you know,we're talking like full on sociopaths locking kids
(07:10):
in fridges just for fun, youknow, autoerotic asphyxiation. I don't have
that experience in high school. Idon't know if you guys did. You
can imagine the departure certainly left aremnant upon our youths in terms of how
they faced the world, But you'regoing a little over the top there.
So again, I feel like episodenine, seeing Jill at least be relatively
happy and a relatively normal teenager bysocietal standards is a good way to sort
(07:33):
of shift into the post departure Jill, who is basically like really weird version
of Daria. Well, and that'skind of what was nice. Did you
ever smile? Did she smile inseason when it's been so long as I've
seen it, it's usually those mischievousthe mischievous smiles when her and Amy were
(07:54):
screwing with the twins, for example, are like, you know, her
mouthing off to her father, whichwas all the time. That's we're in
season two, what's the deal withthe dogs? Um? But that's but
in season two where they kind offound this sanctuary if you will, and
there there was less of uh seasonone. It's showing you the procure,
(08:18):
the departure, and kind of thebreakdown of society. Um. And that's
why I think the season two kindof got out of that a little bit.
Um. But as as somebody thatum, uh, I just binged
it. Mike, what was yourthoughts on season two? Because from my
perspective, like this is just anamazing, amazing piece of television. Yeah.
(08:39):
So where I actually am currently inmy season two rewatch, Right before
we came on here, I wasfinishing up the season two episode six lens
not really fantastic conversation between Nora andErica Murphy in the home. Um,
just such such good acting. Imean, I do, I do completely
agree. I when you binge thingsall in a row, you sort of
(09:01):
get things muddle. That's why I'mactually usually not a fan of binging a
bunch of episodes in a row.Usually I'm the more moderate one to sort
of save like one or two episodesper week. But every episode this season
is just a knockout. You know, even the best seasons of drama or
comedy on TV, you can saylike, well, that episode is pretty
weak, or we could have donewithout that episode. But it really does
(09:22):
feel like every single episode in seasontwo is so well plotted, so well
acted, so well directed, sowell musically, both from a score perspective
and those rollicking tunes of old andnew that they decide to put on that
it honestly feels like there is nodeadweight in that regard. And that makes
me really excited for season three becauseyou know, now that they know they
have a final season, they agreedto it, and they have only eight
(09:45):
episodes. I don't think there's gonnabe any fat at all for them to
trim. It's gonna be nothing butnice puresting on. Yeah, only eight
episodes, and yeah, and andyou know, at the end of season
two, really into season two,if they didn't like, we're new for
this final season, you could havebeen satisfied. With it, you know,
like in terms of where. Andthat's why I say they should have
(10:07):
Constanza and said, I'm good,I'm addie. There's so much pressure on
this season. But here's the thing, Jack, So what if it's amazing,
do we take back what? Now? I will? I will,
I will take that back. Butif it's if it's if it's not amazing,
let's say I told you, well, you're putting a lot of pressure
on yourself. To Mike's point,though it's only eight episodes and any writer
(10:31):
worth there, you know, Oh, now you're calling out the writers.
I mean Damon Lindeloff. I trustDamon Lindeloff. And I can't wait for
that interview with Damon Lindloff. Wereuh, yeah, we should probably get
to that. Um. But uhbut yeah, I I trust him.
Um And based on the trailer andwe can talk about this, dig into
this. Uh it seems I waswatching it while you guys were talking.
(10:56):
Uh. Is it the one whereKevin Garvey's on a plane and gets dragged
off? No, those are becausebecause you won't, because he won't give
up his seat, Just kill me, just kill me something like that.
No, that's that's a different video, Jack different Oh said leftover. I
(11:16):
searched leftovers, and that's what came. Poor guys getting dragged off a plane
because he won't give up his seatanywhere and in serious as there are Actually
I was confused at first, Jack, because there are two trailers. There's
one that's like the official trailer andone that in binging the show, like
I constantly watch it as what theyput on before each episode on like HBO
now, which is what I have, And that latter one has them getting
(11:39):
on the plane, presumably to goto Australia. So that I was,
I was with you, Jack,until you made that very timely reference.
I'm sorry, I thought that's whatbecause I was, I was sold.
It's funny those I really wanted tosee what happened. Would you say,
would you say you were over soldto Jack on that trailer? Yeah,
But then I was looking at theguy. I said, that doesn't look
like Kevin Garby, is you know, just just in the threw um we're
(12:03):
kind of the similar. But uh, but it's funny. It's like this
could be like a Laddin where it'sa great movie but you go back and
watch it and all the nineties referencesthat were thrown in by Robin Williams don't
hold up as well. For maybepeople that go back and listen to this
podcast with they're catching up on theshow, they'll be like, what the
reference is this? I don't Idon't get it. He's drunk again?
(12:24):
Um? But uh no, Soyes, it seems in the trailer because
there it's it's kind of the PAof the the airline attendant kind of doing
the drill, but instead it's kindof talking about it seems like we've had
the um the rapture. Now we'rehaving the flood that's gonna wipe out mostly
(12:45):
everybody, and is Australia going tobe the only land mass that survives?
Uh or we're having the North Arcseason. It all starts with the Australia.
What's what's your take on that,Mike, Yeah, it's it's strange
because both trailers seem really focused onthis idea. They've done a little bit
of a time jump as well.They're now seven years after the departure,
(13:09):
which I think puts it Yeah,which I think puts it at what like
twenty eighteen? Was the departure intwenty eleven? Maybe I might be incorrect
with that. But yeah, sothere's now this other big event coming and
it is tough. You were justtalking about it to serve see how do
you move on from the second season? And it's clear from at least the
(13:31):
third season's trailer that they're just gonnakeep piling on more the same, which
we love. But I mean,and again, you know, at this
point, people who didn't want tobe spoiled about the trailer should have probably
jumped off by now. But justin case, make your leave. We'll
come back after the first episode andtalk about it. But I don't think
it matters because again, the trailerdidn't show us anything last year. I
mean, I have two counts inthe trailers of Kevin dying, of him
(13:54):
getting put underwater, so it seemslike we're going back to that hotel at
least two more times. Want toget all I want to get a counter
of if Kevin Garvey or a catwill have more lies by the end of
the left over right now we're atwe're on he's on his third right.
I think the women like the KevinGarby hotel scenes too. You just want
(14:16):
to just have him constantly choose anoutfit over and over again, standing Charlotts
in his closet, come to thebathtub. So I think, yeah,
that one in particular, I guess, uh yeah, Kevin Garvey coming out
of the bathtub, that's the best. Also, one of the things you
mentioned from the trailer, I guessbeards have now caught on in the world
of the Leftovers. I don't knowif you notice this, Jay, but
(14:37):
we have a beard on Kevin,a beard on Matt, a beard on
John Murphy. We haven't seen Tommy. I'm assuming he has a beard as
well. I just you have toassume that everyone has just started to don
these biblical esque facial hair in preparationfor what's to come with the flow.
Well, it's I it's and thething is, it's like good when I
(14:58):
saw it's a really good beard,Like it's good beard. I guess as
somebody that's tried to grow. Yeah, you're like patchy, patchy. But
it's not like it's it's it's dick. It's it's like Kevin Garvey's. It's
kind of look at look on theside of your cheek right there the other
side, say, it's kind oflike a pet. It doesn't grow there
(15:20):
it does, it's there, youknow whatever. I'm turning off the camera
now enough of your criticisms. Criticism. Uh, it's if it's twenty eighteen,
like you said, the seven years, then beards are in in their
timeline as well. But you neverknow, I mean, don't they say
that like things that catch on inone area, like they always say that
(15:43):
Canada for example, And no offensefor Canadian listeners out there, but I'm
saying that, like Canada is likefive years behind the trends of the United
States. Who knows how far behindAustralia is. You know, they still
might be doing things back that werepopular in like twenty fourteen. You know,
then we might see a lot ofdabbing in Australia. It's gonna be
five years before Canada is great again, um lord um. But uh,
(16:07):
you know, maybe maybe the floodis related to the current events of the
world. Who knows. Um.I still I still say that we're gonna
find out at the end of theshow, the end of the show that
the people that that departed were thepeople were seeing, not the people that
we don't see, like, uh, what's her name, Norah's family,
(16:29):
but like Norah's family didn't depart Norahdepartments. So that's that's what I That's
why I'm hoping they go with itthis year. I kat kind of had
that theory midway through last season.I think stuthing like that. I think
it was definitely as good as agutter cleaning, but it's it's a new
knows it'll be. We'll see howmuch beardy gutter cleaning happens. Kevin's a
settled down man, so who knows. But it left. It's on HBO.
(16:52):
You know they'd love to string upa man in the stock aids last
season and show flapping peans, somaybe we'll see more of that. So
what I will say in response tothat is that, you know, in
preseason Pressed before this, Carrie Coondid say, Hey, this ending is
really satisfying and ties up a lotof loose ends and people will enjoy it.
(17:12):
Which it's kind of weird, youknow, in a post lost post
How I Met Your Mother World.I do feel like a lot of TV
say in their final season, like, don't enjoy the ending. Don't worry
though. I know that sometimes youjust sort of want to let the mystery
be in a way and let thelet the viewers think what they want to
think. But I feel like usingthat logic that theory is awesome, definitely
(17:33):
a game changer in terms of storytelling, But that raises so many questions.
The big one that I would haveis you have this really mystical element near
the end of the first season andthroughout the second season of some men or
male characters on the show being ableto see dead people or spirits. Particular
Kevin and Patty those are that's thebig, you know, matchup of season
(17:56):
two. But even in season one, you have you know, Dean,
the random dog shooting guy talking tosomeone, Kevin Senior obviously having own time
talking to two voices. So you'dhave to wonder, like, if that's
the case, if these are thepeople that are departed, and they're in
some sort of purgatory or in somesort of another world, we don't exactly
know, how does that incorporate intoit? Are we saying that, like
(18:17):
Dean is you know, an angel, an archangel that's able to ferry between
the two different planes of existence?You know, when Kevin killed Patty,
did he actually send Patty back tolive on Earth? That it just raises
it's a cool theory, but itraised this way too many questions. Every
time it was it Dean right,every time he kills a dog and Angel
(18:37):
gets his wings. Well, it'sit's it's funny because I recently didn't have
the Internet and so I had torely on this called Blue Raised for my
entertainment. So I put in theinception blue. I haven't seen inception in
forever, and the killing one togo back into maybe the real world reminded
me of how an inception, ifthey kill you in the dream, you
(19:00):
wake up. Um, but I'mwith Mike on that though, Like it's
almost where if a show is endinglike pulling one of those kind of trick
ending type things, um just isn'tgonna land. Well, so if you're
saying they were really the departed thewhole time is almost as bad as like
they were dead the whole time.I just I disagree. You could you
(19:22):
could have it like there's eight episodes. You got the seventh episode where they
we realize that's what's happened, andthen hold that whole episode is seeing how
Nora's family reacts to Nora not beingthere, and then you wrap that whole
thing up. And then if it'sthe end of the world type thing that
sound exhausting. How to explained,like, like Mike's said earlier, how
many times is does a cat diemore get more lives than Kevin Garvey?
(19:44):
I mean, how many times doesthat guy? He should be dead?
Because so you're you're taking like justone person that we kind of have to
suspend this belief and to everybody,a lot of people have survived. How
do you explain little little uh butthat something special about the town was his
ability to die and come back again? Like, will you still have that?
I guess if Australia maybe some typeof you know, uh sister place
(20:11):
that has the same properties or whatever, it's a sister play. Okay,
going back to Loss, there wasa s episode SOS where she went to
Australia. She went to Australia.Oh my god, it's all coming together.
Yeah, And ironically enough, theseason three trailer uses ABBA's SOS as
the background music, so it allconnects. Um, what do you mean
(20:33):
your mom? Your mom doesn't likeAbba? She said, she hated who
hates ABBA's like cotton candy? Likeit's just some people. I mean,
I mean you can say, Okay, I'm not I don't care for that
music. She goes, I hateAbba. I can see people hating Abba.
But let's get back on topic here. Um with uh, could you
say that maybe with the big twistreveal is that the Leftovers is also with
(21:00):
in Loss multi universe multiverse? Um? Well, what with that? With
the theories like with Pixar where theykind of show how it's all in the
same universe or something like that,where you know, with the connections now
with Australia being this place of importance, do they want to go down that
road though? That's kind Oh oh, so you you can have this one
(21:23):
where they're all they're really the departed, not the other people. But I'm
bringing up when where it's all possiblyin the same universe. You're saying,
you're trying to say, let's youknow, maybe like Lost, you don't
they can't go down the same roadas Lost. Plus if they the departure
takes place, when did it FlightA fifteen crash like two thousand and four,
(21:44):
So they clip like a talking headbeing like, oh, all these
people disappeared more people than flight eightone five ago. Remember that you remember
that flight? Well? Yes,remember, I mean I don't know.
It's just by that point he'd belike old news that he really cares about
it anymore. It could, it'spossible. I'm just saying it's possible.
(22:07):
They shouldn't go down the lost road, because they're not going down the lost
road. It's just it's one ofthose nice little sides that's where it could
said, where it could possibly existwithin the same universe. That's all.
That's all I'm just saying, throwingit out there. The key is a
hotel, right, Um, Sodo we think there is going to be
a fled and only the Garves survive? I don't think only the Garves will
(22:33):
survived. I think it's really interestingthat you talked about how the ending of
season two could function as a seriousfinale, And I love that final shot
that's sort of tracking shot of Kevinand his home with essentially the main cast
around him. Yea, that doesn'tinclude just the Garvies with a wound of
the gut where he's just leading.Yeah. Ye, But I mean looking
(22:59):
at the the casting four season three, it looks like, and again we
have no idea, it's gonna beanother matter of geography and how they might
change from Texas to Australia and whogoes and who stays. But it seems
like the Murphy's are along for theride this season as well, which you
might not expect. Considering that,I think you would think that initially their
story would get wrapped up, unfortunatelyin a little bit of a bittersweet context
(23:22):
in that ev was a member ofthe gr Not sure how she'll change from
here on out, but you'd haveto imagine that they're going to be involved
in some capacity as well. Itwill be interesting to see, you know.
I don't think any of these charactersoutside of Patty have died on the
show. Again, with the exceptionof Kevin Teflon Kevin Nobody, no main
characters have been killed off so far, which is pretty staggering. You have
(23:47):
to wonder if loss is going orif if leftovers going to go the route
of lost and start, you know, slaughtering people by the masses, or
if they're really going to keep thisgroup close knit and together if and when
this impending flood comes. That's agood a good call out. You know
that this show hasn't killed off amajor character that we like love, which
(24:07):
is it's it's surprising especially like themodern Uh, in this Golden era of
television, you love Patty well,but Patty's kind of like an anti an
anti antagonist versus and you and youlove you. I feel like we love
Patty Moore when she was getting underKevin's skin as yes, anthem of a
spirit. You know you didn't.She had a few fun scenes when she
(24:29):
was alive, but I feel likeshe look she really came more alive when
she functioned in the afterlife instead ofwhen she was in this plant of existence.
Um so uh but yeah so uh. No, no major character has
been killed off, which in theGolden era of television, it seems to
be a trope that's done a lot, like where you kill off somebody that
you love and it's very emotional,everybody cries and lost was kind of uh
(24:53):
one of the earlier people that didthat. Uh. And you know,
Joss Sweeten loves killing you know,main characters to you, so uh,
it's surprising that it hasn't happened yet. So or has it happened they've been
Have they been dead the whole timethat we find that out? So?
How can you kill people already dead? Listen? The one another one left
(25:17):
on the loss of analogies, theone the one hole, I well,
one of the other holes. I'llpoke in your theory, Jack, They
do they really want to dedicate anepisode to Norah's asshole of a husband,
Sebastian arcalist Doug, who cheated onher with the kindergarten teacher. Yeah,
because Doug, Doug needs some redemption. I do actually, Oh boy,
I do have a question about themthough. Do you think we're gonna see
(25:38):
any season one characters who weren't inseason two come back? Are we gonna
see like Amy make her return,or the twins that we hated so much,
or even Dean? Do you thinkthere's a chance or do you think
we're just like leaving Mabel timb Maybethe drowning, maybe the flood is just
the two twins in a in ain a pool and they drowned. What
do you think? Um? Ihonestly, what I loved out season two
(26:00):
is it kind of did shed someof the excess weight of characters that weren't,
you know, very good. Ithink so I'd be I'd be okay
for the actors, but their roles. It's kind of like I don't need
to see these people because like Dean'sjust weird, like just it just didn't.
I don't that never really paid off, did it? Right? No?
(26:22):
I mean he goes, yeah,he would just sort of came in.
He helped Kevin get Patty during oneof his blackouts. They had a
big brew haha. Dean revealed thatmaybe he had his own passenger that he
was talking to, and then helaughed, and that's the last we saw
him. Same sort of weird unresolved thing with Amy, where you know,
Jill accused Amy, did you havesex with my father? And she
(26:45):
got angry and walked out of thehouse in a huff. So maybe they're
using that as a metaphor that,like, not all characters have perfect endings,
but it is very unresolved. Myeah, I'd be okay breviously then
unresolved personally personally, but which whichcharacter? But like season one characters like
like Dean, and like, I'mfine, like I didn't Season two was
(27:07):
amazing. I didn't need them inseason two for it to be amazing.
So I'm okay if we just leavethem behind him, I think more of
it. We're gonna see more ofthe Kevin Garby Senior Oh definitely. That's
where he went. Yeah, hewent to Australia. Yeah, exactly.
But it's seven years later. Howhow old is he? I feel like,
I feel like Kevin Senior is aguy who like goes gray early.
(27:29):
Like I feel like he could feasiblybe in like his sixties seventies seven years
later. He's not like decrepit.Hell, he was like a police chief
before the departure happened, So youhave to imagine that he was at least
a pretty good age, a sustainableage to boot. Yeah, he's born
in nineteen forty one, Scott Glint. Plus, I mean if if he
(27:49):
you know, lives that, heseems he's like living off the land,
that holistic lifestyle. He was thefirst man in space, so there you
go. Plus Plus, he wascleaning the gutters with the mayor, who
seemed significantly younger than him back inseason one. I forgot about that.
Yeah, so that's that's another Seasonone character I could do without. I
(28:10):
was. I was not a fanof the no nonsense mayor, Yeah she
was. I didn't like her either, agreed, agreed, Um, So
if there is a death count thisseason, or do you think they go
the opposite rap where it's kind ofhappy endings for everybody that we care about.
Um. I was really strange thatit was trased that season two almost
(28:33):
ended like that, just because theshow, even though it brightened a bit
in season two, was more soabout like the the harshness that can come
with the day to day struggle.Um. I mean, the big question
is are we going to get ourMatt Jamison episode. I requisite Matt Jamison
episode where everything wrong happens to himbut he still ends up coming out okay,
(28:55):
or does it finally catch up withhim and he dies a miserable death?
Wow? Right? Is that toodark? That's a character everybody loves.
You want to kill him? Iknow? But he is kind of
John Locke of this show. Now, well he's got John Locke's job.
John Locke believed he was something else. Matt just is a nice guy,
(29:18):
right, Am I right? Hejust he just? Am I right?
Or? Am I right? Hecares for his wife, does the same
thing every day. Who's now she'sshe's also now another factor. She's now
completely alive, kicking fancy free.So Jackie must be so happy. Now
they're finally utilizing Janell Maloney's talents exactlygood. That drove me crazy all the
(29:40):
time. I am well aware ofyour anger about having her on the bill.
She's a great I said, Igo, I could do her role.
But in offense, I mean,it's a pretty sweet gig. There's
I said. There's better to besome I'm sure I said it. There
better be some payoff, because you'regetting sad credits, you're getting paid.
I don't know. I've been listeningto The West Wing Weekly, which is
(30:03):
an episodic coverage of The West Wingby one of the former cast members and
a big devotee. They had aninterview with Jena Maloney in season one,
and she's actually seemed a little saucyabout the fact that she was playing a
part where she essentially just had tosit there and do nothing the entire time.
She's like, oh, I wasgrateful when I had a roll back
in the day where I actually talkedand walked around. Oh so she was
(30:25):
she's angry. Yeah, she's angrytoo. Yeah she was on your side,
Jack. I agree again, youcould have got anybody to play that
part, though, But now she'syou know, she's awake, so okay,
Well, she better not go backto sleep because I don't know.
The big question though, is thatI and the episode I just watched Lens
Nora gets a call from this womanbeing like you have been, you know,
(30:48):
be visited by the spirit of asReel, and you will cause chaos
upon everyone you encounter. And youhave to wonder if that is a true
thing. Is it affecting her andher brother as which is again why Matt
just has the worst luck or encountersthe worst people in the world. And
if so, shouldn't Mary have stayedcatatonic because now I sort of fear for
(31:08):
her now that she's alive, She'sgonna like walk off a cliff or something
in Australia in the middle of theoutback. But with is that better though,
than about than just uh, Idon't know, being catatonic or at
least she can Matt like, Okay, at least now her stories resolved,
(31:29):
I guess then just yeah, Iguess that's that's what You're gonna be a
reason to kill her off if theydecided to take that choice, which again
would be horrible for this man.He's like, great, finally got my
wife back in a cognitive state.I have my child and she's gone.
Maybe the writers listen to that episodeof the West World West World, the
West Wing podcast and her complains it, all right, well you know how
(31:49):
to deal with you like Joey andJoy and friends. Two lines and then
boom boom, like just like thesegue owner. The person that owns segue,
he died over. I know,I know that's not funny because that's
really morbid. Yeah, so sorry, I took it really dark, guys.
That's my fault. I was goingI was season one left ever Yeah,
(32:12):
I see past. All right,we start with this pregnant woman who's
the cave woman. Um. Yeah, any any weird um stuff like that
this season, like just like gofifteen thousand years BC or something like any
weird open like that. I don'tknow about the weird open. I mean
(32:34):
you have to wonder. They sortof opened Pandora's box in a way right
with season two. But not onlywith that opening, but as you said,
before, completely relocating them to anothersetting and just abandoning characters. I
feel like now that they're able todo that, I feel like they have
to keep doing it right. Theycan't really settle back into the norm,
So you have to wonder are theygoing to go for another big opening,
(32:54):
maybe the plane trip is going tobe that opening. And then we do
sort of like a media red aswe flash back sort of like what happened
in season two to like how didthey end up getting there? I could
totally imagine that, or it couldbe something completely bonkers in the year like
three thousand and fifteen after the floodtook place and they rebuilt society. Yeah,
because like, uh see, episodeone just followed the Murphys. We
(33:16):
didn't even really see the Garves onlykind of in passing towards the end of
episode one. So you had theyou know, fifteen thousand years BC,
and then you had following the Murphys, and then you we didn't even see
the Garves kind of move into theend of that episode, and it was
through the perspective um or of theMurphys. Well, luckily they in season
(33:37):
two they had Regina King and theydidn't just have her sit there. They
had a great actress and said okay, we're gonna have you do something.
They did a little bit though,they said okay, you can do something,
but you can't be able to hear. So they're still trying to like
challenges onto you like doubledare a littlephysical challenges. Um, we've had a
(34:00):
double Dare reference on this episode.It's something in season when I know we're
doing it right. Um, Butyeah, so I really I I kind
of I hope, I hope it'sit follows the same. If there's only
three seasons, there's no reason tokind of uh to play to type um
or or to kind of go theeasier out. They can do whatever they
(34:20):
want, and UM, I hope, I hope it's just as um out
of left field as as season twowas. I think that's what UM really
made that season really special. Whatif the opening is them in the plane
going to Australia, there's some turbulenceand then they cut to Desmond in the
hatch and they just go just kidding? Would that be funny? No earlier,
(34:46):
well what noble? What if itwas it showed Desmond, but then
it panned out to show that thatwas on the screen playing on the plane
as they actually I would give ita full standing ovation if they open like
that, would that would show someguts? That'd be amazing. Oh now
(35:07):
I hope they do that. Iknow that like HBO and Disney are probably
competing, uh you know, mogulsmedia models. But yeah, you figured
Lindeloff would have that sense of humorthat he would do that. Yeah,
just a mess with the fans.Show the plane and then like bikes.
But then you you're got, whatdo they do it? Then you just
realized. Then you realize, oh, they're just watching an episode of loss.
(35:28):
Okay, plane seption a plane withina plane. Yeah, there you
go, kind of like an airwhen airplane where they're showing the plane movie
a airport where the planes are crawed. Oh yeah yeah yeah. Um,
but hopes and thoughts here for thelast season. What are kind of your
guys's hopes? Uh for the show? Um? Jack wants them all to
(35:52):
be dead the whole time, orall to be departed. Don't be dead
because they departed there isn't another dimension. Okay, so he wants he wants
an m Night Shamlin twist. That'shis hopes and desires up. To be
honest with, my hopes is thatpeople start watching this show just in time
(36:12):
for it to end. Yeah,exactly, doesn't matter that it's not,
it doesn't matter. It needs toget recognitions. You need to get some,
but it will be one of thoseshows that who won an Emmy on
this show? No, in auniverse and a universe where The Wire did
not win any Emmy's. I thinkit's totally in the worm of possibilities that
The Leftovers goes winless or even nominationless at the Emmy's. Yeah, it's
(36:35):
crazy. Um, what I willwhat I will say for something that I
hope to see is actually in referenceto a character we have not talked about
this entire podcast. I want tosee Live Tiroler as Meg get her come
up in some way, shape orform. Yes, it's really fun rewatching
these episodes because I think watching itat the time, especially the second season,
you're like, how the hell didMeg become a GR leader? You
(36:59):
know? Was it just sort ofeveryone else was away and she stepped up
to it. But even from thebeginning you can tell that when she gets
into the GR she's a little different. Yeah, like she she was always
seeking violent retribution while she's an initiatein that program instead of everyone else who
really practices sort of non violent aggressionallows people to take out their aggressions upon
them. You know, she wasthe one that helped plan this big maneuver
(37:21):
of you know, let's bull blowa hole in the bridge so people can
infiltrate the town at the end ofseason two. So she kind of is
in a way the big bad ofseason three. I don't know if she'll
follow them to Australia, but ifshe does, I think it would be
really fun for her to get hercome up ins. Yeah, I agree,
that would be awesome. She dies, but again it's another like bad,
(37:42):
like anybody that we wouldn't like.Her death I think would be okay.
She had a Kevin No. Imean, that's just our think about
that, but um no, Ithink I think that's a really good,
a really good call out in her. My hopes for this season is I
hope that Kevin Garvey finds peace.And that's that's what I loved about the
(38:06):
Innocison two where it seems like hecame home and his family was there,
his like extended family and his friends, and it seemed like Kevin Garvey had
peace. I would guess it's notso much the case in season three.
So my hope would be it's theend of season two I thought was just
a perfect end to the show.Possibly um and it's probably, you know,
(38:29):
naive of me to hope that it'sa similar type satisfying ending the ways
and two ends it ended there.I would have thought Kevin Garvey, my
opinion would have been he died withhis family around him, because that's what
you say everything again, you're justa nice He had shot, He had
a gunshot wound, who he laidthere for hours. You don't survive a
gunshot wound laying there for hours.It'll be interesting, though, tracking where
(38:52):
Kevin goes from here, because likeyou said, Jay, he isn't a
very peaceful place. And again,if from all were to interpolate from the
trailer, it looks like he hasa very large role, maybe a savior
like role to play in what's impending. And so maybe he's sort of like
at peace with his situation and hesort of gets pulled out of that comfort
to say like, okay, youhave an important role. Now, this
(39:15):
is what you need to do.So he sort of his has leadership foisted
upon him even when he doesn't wantit, which might again bring up some
more problems. Not I like peacefulGary much more than yelling f bombs all
the time screening children. Is heis he with Lorie Now, he's definitely
(39:36):
with Nora. The question is willLorie and Tommy if the if that family
goes to Australia, do you thinkLorie and Tommy follow him there? You
know, do you think they're gonnahang out in Jardin? We're not entirely
sort has to because she's a pain. That's that's her whole role is just
to be the troublemaker. But thething is, like, it's very similar
(39:58):
if it is this this arc ifyou will um uh uh that joke was
dead the whole time. That wasum you know, like Noah I kind
of had his responsibilities kind of thrownupon him, like I didn't ask,
(40:20):
you know, to be He's justkind of like given these orders to follow
everyone to um and uh. Soit is will he follow a similar storyline
or a similar type story arc umor character arc um where you know,
his voices, whoever talks to himgives him direction on what he has to
(40:43):
do to possibly save uh what willbe left of humanity? I mean could
be well, see does he seePatty again? Hmm? I's took good
question. Or if if he does, does he see her in a different
light? Because you'd assume that hesensibly killed that part of her that was
(41:08):
sort of haunting him and singing nevergonna give you up rather maniacally to him.
You have to wonder if maybe there'sanother form of Patty that we're not
seeing. I mean, when hekilled her in that well, she turned
into a child for a bit,So maybe there's other forms that she can
take on and killed and he killedthat Patty too. Yeah, that was
(41:29):
a great scene, by the way, it was a good season two.
I'm amazing. I haven't gotten back. I haven't gotten back to International Assassin
in my rewatch it, but I'msuper excited about it because it feels like
even just like a dissertation on aphilosophy in the afterlife, packed into like
an hour long show. It's anamazing episode of television. I agree.
(41:49):
I agree Uk in that episode,and I think that was the one that
was written by Carlton Cus's son,and it was a really just perfect,
just close to big on the podcastLostian show. All right, any any
final thoughts here for our season threepreview cast. I mean, the fun
(42:16):
thing about the Leftovers is that we'remaking all these predictions and hopes and wants
now and The Leftovers is such acreatively endeavored show that it could just throw
all those out the window and goin a completely new direction and we're still
going to be along for the ride. I think it has. It has.
It was a good show, Apretty good show in season one,
depending on the episode you would watch, got fantastic in season two. I
(42:38):
have full confidence that they will deliverin season three, but so much time
and you know, so little episodesto tell a Storian. I'm really excited
for how things are gonna go.And I'm so so excited and flattered to
be joining you guys as well forthe final season. I love listening to
you guys cover The Leftovers, andyou know, this and West World are
probably the closest we're gonna get too, last being back on our screens anytime
(43:00):
soon. So I'm happy to bealong with the ride for you for both.
Yeah, we're happy to have you. Uh. It keeps, it
keeps j in his toes, oryou know, at least it keeps the
they're all dead theories at bay justenough, just enough to keep those at
bay they don't have. Now it'snow it's two against one instead of one.
On one, but we will bediscussing it all season long. We're
(43:23):
actually doing a special live Leftovers podcast. The second episode is that's no third,
It's like, it's got to bethe third because May sixth, Well,
that mean a third episode this weekis the sixteen. It's it's the
it's the Yeah, so it's it'sMay seventh, So it's the fourth episode.
(43:46):
Halfway traditional play point in the finalseason. That will be fun to
UM live broadcasts from our home HeredioWest two. We'll be having our podcasts
get together. If anybody's interested injoining that, you can feel free to
(44:07):
check out the information on our Facebookand Facebook comment slast group, Slash Jay
and Jack group. Mike will behere. Jack will be here some of
the time. He has to workon Saturday unfortunately, UM. But it'll
be a big fun weekend and we'llclose it out with a live Leftovers with
Jay, Jack and Mike. UM. If any Barnes give feedback, the
number is three eight five three Onine zero three eleven, call any time
(44:30):
once against three eight five three zeronine zero three eleven. Call any time
with your questions, comments and threeor theories. UM. I think just
you actually okay, you can alsofrozen to me. Send an email to
Lost Podcasts at gmail dot com GusLost Podcast at gmail dot com. So
(44:52):
after the first episode, what didwe ever get a new eat? We
might have, but I can't findit. Actually the old pod guest,
uh, Mike the Lost Podcast,didn't we know you? You change?
You change the number in the beginningof the second season. Yes, the
number change. We lost the numbertwo changed. I wouldn't give it back,
(45:15):
right, Um, yeah, whatever, it's not a big deal.
We got our own number. Nowthat's ours. It can't be taken.
I love that number. Well,you could have, you know, stepped
up. I offered five bucks.Um. And this actually is a patron's
choice show, and for we arguingwith putting this on our leftovers feed as
(45:36):
well as our Patron's choice. Butgenerally this is an exclusive for our patrons
that contribute five dollars or more amonth um and this is the topic that
they chose for this month. Um. But if you'd like to become a
patrons today and contribute whatever you can, um, there's a bunch of different
perks along the way. You cancheck that all out on patreon dot com.
Slash Jay and Jack that's Pa tR e O N dot com slash
(46:00):
Jay and Jack, or go toJay and Jack dot com and click on
the become a link to become apatron today. We have a full list
of all of our patrons that wethink on that website as well. I
want to thank Tack from Tokyo,Eckhart Richter, and Molly the Millennial for
their contributions. Especially, um,that will do it for this show.
But you stop Amazon, all right, Jack, give this spiel. It's
(46:22):
Amazon dot com slash jan Jack.No, it's j Jack dot com Amazon.
I knew it. I just we'regonna give your spot away to Jena
Maloney for providing these amazons. Nowthat's to say, but I could do
that part again. Very very thankfulthat Mike's joining the show the season.
(46:45):
Um, well then he should dothe Amazon thing. No, come on,
Jack, slash Amazon. No JaneJack dot com. Oh, Jay
Jack dot coms information personal account.All right, that's we'll do it for
(47:06):
this episode. Slash Amazon. Afterthe first, Mike, you do a
lot of podcasts. We're gonna andother people hear you. You can follow
me on Twitter at a Mike bloomTimes. That's the best place to keep
track of all the shenanigans that Ido. But just to talk briefly about
something that Jay mentioned at the verybeginning, I'm happy to be bringing some
Fargo coverage to Jay and Jack,myself and Jeremiah pan Horse, who's a
(47:30):
great podcaster in his own right.He covered mad Men extensively back in the
day, big fan of Fargo aswell. At the time we're recording this,
we're gonna put out a little previewchit chat about season three coming out
later this week, but we'll becovering them usually on Thursdays, and we'll
give out some more information about that. But I'm very excited to be covering
that exclusively for Jane and Jack.Outside of that, I do SNL podcast,
(47:52):
RuPaul's Drag Race other reality show stuffas well, but just check it
out on my Twitter. I giveout all the information there. Beautiful.
All right, Jack, where ifpeople find you? Um, nobody cares.
Okay, let's run the street somewhere. I don't know. I'm wandering,
healed myself, mumbling Amazon and Jack, Amazon, Amazon people, this
(48:15):
guy's crazy get away from Amazon.Also, Jack's really good at vague booking,
so you just gotta check out hisTwitter. It's just it's like there's
there's Ruperts and then there's Jack.It's just it's they're there. His tweets
are fantastic. I can't tell allof he's frozen. Those tweets are amazy.
(48:40):
All right, that we'll do itfor this episode. We'll see you
guys next time Aslowego, and goodbyebye
Popular Podcasts
NFL Daily with Gregg Rosenthal
Gregg Rosenthal and a rotating crew of elite NFL Media co-hosts, including Patrick Claybon, Colleen Wolfe, Steve Wyche, Nick Shook and Jourdan Rodrigue of The Athletic get you caught up daily on all the NFL news and analysis you need to be smarter and funnier than your friends.
On Purpose with Jay Shetty
I’m Jay Shetty host of On Purpose the worlds #1 Mental Health podcast and I’m so grateful you found us. I started this podcast 5 years ago to invite you into conversations and workshops that are designed to help make you happier, healthier and more healed. I believe that when you (yes you) feel seen, heard and understood you’re able to deal with relationship struggles, work challenges and life’s ups and downs with more ease and grace. I interview experts, celebrities, thought leaders and athletes so that we can grow our mindset, build better habits and uncover a side of them we’ve never seen before. New episodes every Monday and Friday. Your support means the world to me and I don’t take it for granted — click the follow button and leave a review to help us spread the love with On Purpose. I can’t wait for you to listen to your first or 500th episode!
Dateline NBC
Current and classic episodes, featuring compelling true-crime mysteries, powerful documentaries and in-depth investigations. Follow now to get the latest episodes of Dateline NBC completely free, or subscribe to Dateline Premium for ad-free listening and exclusive bonus content: DatelinePremium.com