October 28, 2025 • 65 mins
Join us for our review of The Mummy (1999), where we get wrapped up in Conspiracy to Assassinate a Pharaoh, Cruel and Unusual Punishment, workplace safety, just what crime justified a death sentence for Rick O'Connell, contract performance, and adequate warnings for curses.
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Joshua Gilliland (00:00):
Hello, everyone.
My name is Joshua Gilloland,one of the founding attorneys of
the Legal Geeks.
We are here to discuss the 1999classic The Mummy with lots of
legal analysis.
With me for this adventure isChris Butler and Jordan Hooper.
Chris, how are you doing thisevening?
Kris Butler (00:19):
Oh, I'm doing all right.
I'm always up to talk themummy.
Joshua Gilliland (00:23):
And Jordan back for more.
Jordon Huppert (00:26):
I wasn't gonna come back, but I really do love
this movie.
Joshua Gilliland (00:31):
It was the when I was in my first apartment
at Davis and finally got cable.
This was the first movie thatwas on.
And it was Halloween, and sowas waiting for
trick-or-treaters and had themummy on.
So it was fun stuff, butthere's legal analysis to be
(00:54):
had.
Uh, but before we get to that,Chris, why do you love this
movie?
Kris Butler (00:59):
Oh, it's just so much fun.
Uh, you know, you have the thethe whole, you know, sort of
like fantastical plot of like,okay, well, you have this
ancient mummy from Egypt that'scoming back, and uh you have
this, oh, like I don't I don'tbelieve in the supernatural kind
of character, you know, a lalike Indiana Jones, and uh then
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you have the uh Benny who isjust such a funny character, and
I still think it's just theclassic scene where you know the
mummy is uh MOTEP isapproaching him and he's going
through all the differentreligions, and then he gets to
the star of David, and he'slike, the language of the
slaves, and he's just like, Oh,this one it was just it just
(01:44):
cracks me up every time.
Joshua Gilliland (01:48):
Jordan, how about you?
Jordon Huppert (01:50):
Um I don't know.
I think I saw it in theaterswhen it came out, and uh every
time it aired on TNT after that,or whatever station it was on,
ended up watching it on TV.
It is a hilarious movie.
Um I love the action scenes init.
I love Brendan Fraser.
Uh the the guy who plays Bennyis truly just an acting genius
(02:17):
to make that kind of a verybelievable con man, but also
just really funny.
I also love the scene with allthe necklaces.
That's one I've alwaysremembered too.
Joshua Gilliland (02:31):
Yes, yeah, there's a lot here.
So let's get into the legalissues.
Um I like this because it'sprobably the only successful
relaunch of a universal monster.
So uh, you know, Karloff playedEmotep in the original The
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Mummy, and he's terrifying andsinister, and the special
effects and and makeup at thattime were very impressive.
And this movie does a reallygood job carrying that forward
with a more enjoyable plot forthe protagonists.
Um, there's actually somethingthere, and that's fun.
(03:18):
Brendan Fraser is delightful,and also I just I think back to,
you know, it's like, wow, Ifinally have cable in my college
apartment, and here I go.
Uh actually, by then it wasfirst year of law school.
So uh just had graduatedcollege and was you know getting
law school underway, and herewas cable.
(03:39):
So let's get into the legalissues, and we start back 3,000
plus years ago.
There's uh uh I think somebodyput in you you don't own people.
Like there was you know theIsraelites being used as slave
labor to build pyramids for thepharaoh pharaoh.
(04:02):
It's like there are epicstories told about why that's
bad.
And uh just a lot there.
Jordan, did you add thissection?
Jordon Huppert (04:11):
Yeah, I tacked this one in.
I was watching it, I hadn'tseen it in years, so I actually
it's the first and only movieI've bought from Amazon.
But uh I was watching it theother night again to prep for
this, and I th thought you know,this whole thing, all of it
could have been avoided if thePharaoh hadn't had this like
(04:35):
weird possessory thing with anox and a moon as like an
ownership thing of her.
You know, people don't ownpeople.
Joshua Gilliland (04:54):
Yeah, and it's it's not stated that they're
married, or am I did I missthat?
Jordon Huppert (05:00):
I don't think they're married, I think she's
more of a um concubine, maybeyeah, it's kind of what it it
seemed like.
Kris Butler (05:12):
Um I think she's maybe like a future bride is is
my thing, and I think maybe theygo into that in like the second
one.
Um, because they just say likeher and and the the princess
have like a rivalry in the inthe next one.
(05:32):
That's right.
Joshua Gilliland (05:33):
Yeah, you need to rewatch that.
It's been a couple decades, uh,but I can say all of that's
bad, like absolutely not okay.
And uh, I mean it's notalienation of a f of a faction,
like we don't have that anymore.
I think it's down to four orfive states where that's still a
cause of action.
(05:54):
And even then, you know, the uhcrime of that does not result
in execution uh for thosehandful of states that still
have that.
Uh everyone else thinks it'sagainst public policy to have
such laws, and this is you know,bodily autonomy, free will, uh
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just there are all kinds ofweird, creepy issues with it.
Jordon Huppert (06:20):
So, but for the lack of possessive policy, the
progressive policies in ancientEgypt, uh, we could have averted
the whole mummy disaster.
Joshua Gilliland (06:31):
Sure.
Which then gets into the issueof conspiracy.
Like, so we have uh emotep andon sun.
Uh I've always struggled withwith saying her name, uh, all
the hyphens, uh and the vowels.
Uh they have a conspiracy tokill the pharaoh, like that that
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is a capital offense, yeah.
And so it's conspiracy and thenmurder, and their plan is I
will resurrect you.
So that that's a detailed plan,uh, as opposed to like, why
don't we just leave?
We can leave and go someplaceelse.
(07:15):
We don't have to live likethis, but no, no, there's like
the clergy has a full-onconspiracy with the princess to
kill the head of state, and andthe clergy's people, like his
men were in on it too, at leastto some extent, because they
were willing to defend him.
(07:37):
It's almost like it's a cult,yeah.
It's it's really weird behaviorbecause you know, we're all
friends, but none of us aregonna go like, hey man, can you
help me with X?
No, yeah, no uh.
Jordon Huppert (07:51):
I mean, certainly not on a recorded
podcast, at least.
Joshua Gilliland (07:55):
If someone had a breakdown and they were on
the side of the road, I'd I'ddrive out, but you know, there's
uh that's nuts, that's a bigask.
And uh the fact that they allgo, sure, boss, we're we're with
you 100%, is just bonkers thatthat was their plan, and they
went for it.
Jordon Huppert (08:16):
We will kill the pharaoh, then they succeeded,
so you know, yeah.
Joshua Gilliland (08:22):
What's weird there's there isn't a continuity
of government plan, but there'sdefinitely we will exact
revenge for you killing thepharaoh, uh, which opens up the
next issue of there's no trialfor emoteb, they go straight to
executing him, and the executionis cruel and unusual punishment
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for mummifying someone alive.
Yeah who would like to jumpinto the uh legal issues on what
is cruel and unusualpunishment?
Kris Butler (09:00):
Yeah, I can I can hop in on that.
Um, you know, um you know, wecan talk a little bit about the
the process of of mummificationand and how it kind of fits
that.
Um so when when you look at uhcruel and unusual punishment,
you know, there has to be anintent to inflict punishment,
which we we can see here, butyou have to show that there will
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be a substantial risk uh thatthe person is going to suffer
unnecessary pain, and it's it'sa high degree.
Um, and then you know, there'sa standards of decency, which
you can argue maybe they werejust like, well, no, this was
considered decent back in thattime, but you know, maybe you
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know, I feel like at that timethey had a lot quicker ways to
kill people.
This one was definitelyinflicted, like, we're gonna
make sure you suffer on your wayout, and you know, the process
of mummification involves likeremoving organs and you know,
sometimes removing uh other bodyparts so that you know it like
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sort of halts the process ofdecay.
There's dehydration anddesanguination, and it's a very
long and arduous process, andfor him to have lived through
even part of that would beterrible.
Jordon Huppert (10:25):
Yeah, they're pretty explicit that the reason
they're doing it is to cause himgreat suffering.
Yeah, they've only ever done itonce, and you know, it is a
punishment so terrible that theycan't imagine doing it to
anybody else, I guess.
Joshua Gilliland (10:42):
Well, then and so there are a couple things.
I don't think they do the organremoval on him, even though
there are sacred jars.
So that makes it sound if youstart removing body parts, you
kill the person.
And so again, the heart, brain,like you're done at that point.
Kris Butler (10:58):
At that point, murdered, as opposed to other
org, other organs, you know,that you can possibly live for
some part, sometime without.
I mean, yeah, like a liverforce magic curse of
immortality, yeah.
Yeah, that too.
Joshua Gilliland (11:12):
The the other part of this that's uh a little
weird for those enacting thepunishment is you're gonna make
him a supernatural monster.
Yeah, that doesn't seem like agood idea.
Like if you don't want himcoming back and you don't want
him being a problem, maybe findanother way for the
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administration of justice forthis dude to get executed that
doesn't involve him coming backas a supernatural being that
could end all of humanity.
That that seems like uhcounterintuitive uh to the point
of you know, uh a sent a asentence, a capital sentence for
killing the head of state.
Kris Butler (11:54):
Yeah, maybe they're just like, ah, that's not gonna
be our problem.
We'll be fine.
Joshua Gilliland (11:59):
It's we don't need to recycle here.
Jordon Huppert (12:02):
Putting off catastrophic problems on future
generations, who would do?
Who would do that?
Joshua Gilliland (12:07):
I don't know.
But so just for those curiousabout the legal standards, an
execution is cruel and unusualunder the US law.
If the method presents asubstantial or objectively
intolerable risk of seriousharm, it's from a 2008 case.
Uh, other courts havearticulated the legal standard
for determining whether a formof execution violates the cruel
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uh the prohibition of cruel andusual and unusual punishment, as
one presents a substantial riskthat a prisoner will suffer
unnecessarily and want and painin an execution, violates the
evolving standards of decencythat mark a mature society,
minimizes physical violence andmutilation of the prisoner's
body.
So I recognize that we'reapplying our standards of the
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21st century to 3,000 plus yearsago.
So you could say the societywas still evolving, but it's
ancient Egypt, which was anadvanced society that goes
through its ups and downs.
And uh, but I think all threeboxes are checked here.
So the prisoner will sufferunnecessary and want and pain.
Yep, done.
Jordon Huppert (13:10):
Whole point.
Joshua Gilliland (13:11):
Yeah, you that uh that was the point.
Uh violates the evolvingstandards of decency that mark a
mature society.
I don't think anyone wants toargue we have an immature
society, so therefore this wasokay.
That seems to be a badargument.
Jordon Huppert (13:27):
And then minimize buying someone alive
doesn't violate the evolvingstandards of decency.
Joshua Gilliland (13:32):
No, uh where was decency at all in the story?
Jordon Huppert (13:37):
Got that one checked.
Joshua Gilliland (13:37):
Yeah, and then minimizes physical violence and
mutilation of the prisoner'sbody.
Uh done.
Like, yep, we got it.
He's been, you know, there'sviolence and there's mutilation.
So from dumping the beetles onhim to just sealing them alive
and letting them suffocate uh toexpire, all bad.
(14:02):
Uh so uh either of you want tochime in with that?
Jordon Huppert (14:12):
I don't know if I would say it's minimizing the
physical violence andmutilation.
I think it seems to be morereveling physical violence and
mutilation of his body.
Joshua Gilliland (14:23):
Let's crank this up to 11.
Jordon Huppert (14:25):
Yeah.
Fun fact, apparently thebeetles that they poured in with
him were supposed to eat himalive, and then since he
couldn't die, he would bestarving and have to eat the
beetles in a weird, never-endingcycle of life and death.
Huh.
Gross.
Kris Butler (14:46):
Yeah.
Joshua Gilliland (14:47):
That's messed up on all kinds of levels.
So uh, next note, creating aninvincible plague as a
punishment seems like a terribleidea.
Who who picked that?
Kris Butler (15:01):
Oh, I put that in there.
But no, like who who reallythought that was a good a good
idea?
Like, I know they're just like,oh, we well, we have the um the
the Magi that are gonna, youknow, keep him under wraps, but
it was just like, okay, allright.
Maybe you know, you you thinkof a scenario where the the magi
(15:23):
fail, you know, they're justpeople, like you didn't give
them supernatural powers.
Like, if you're gonna give thethe person you're trying to lock
up supernatural powers, maybegive the people that are
supposed to protect, you know,the two supernatural powers.
Yeah, just a thought, yeah.
Joshua Gilliland (15:40):
Or maybe there's somebody in the magi
that would like to be an artistor go to film school or be a
doctor, and it's like, no, son,this is your birthright, this is
your job.
We're gonna stand guard overthis dead city to make sure a
terrible monster doesn't comeback.
Thanks, Dad.
(16:01):
And what great, great, great,great, great grandpa said we had
to do this because that seemslike I I don't have free will in
the story.
Kris Butler (16:10):
And it'd be like, but it's your dream, son.
No, dad, it's your dream.
Joshua Gilliland (16:16):
It was great, great, great, great grandpa's
dream, and we're stuck with it.
So, I mean, they went from theEgyptian gods to Islam at some
point over the generations.
That's a big switch.
Because he's at the end, hesays, go with Allah.
(16:39):
It's like so you changegenerational faith change.
Jordon Huppert (16:45):
Yeah, fascinating.
Still keyed to the mission.
Joshua Gilliland (16:50):
Yeah, like and that was the other part of
this.
It's like okay, that's a bigswitch.
Kris Butler (16:56):
Because when and and for them, like it'd be one
thing if they said that prior tohim being unlocked, and then
afterwards, they're like, huh,maybe the Egyptian guys were on
or they were on to something.
Because if you just saw thatand they did that while they
were under the Egyptian guys,you might be like, huh, maybe we
need to go dig out some oldfamily heirlooms to figure out
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what's going on.
Joshua Gilliland (17:19):
Yeah, it also it also raises the the question
of um Moses and the Exodus outof Egypt.
Because, like, how did thatplay out?
And if you have historicalevidence of actual Egyptian gods
people coming back from thedead, that's how religions
(17:41):
start.
And and people would take noteof what just you this is the
book of the dead?
Okay, a lot to unpack there.
Uh a lot of theses.
Jordon Huppert (17:52):
Although I don't know that the Egyptians had
proof that you could come backfrom the dead, they just
believed it.
Joshua Gilliland (17:56):
Yeah, but I think all the dead mummies
coming out of the ground wouldbe exhibits A through F of that
it worked.
Jordon Huppert (18:05):
Yeah, but how many people saw that?
Joshua Gilliland (18:08):
And survived?
Yeah, like that's uh goodquestion.
Uh, but it's it's it raises allkinds of theological issues as
well.
So I here so at the beginningwe see you know our hero with
Benny, and it's in secondarymaterial that says they're in
the French Foreign Legion.
(18:30):
So I I was watching, I waslike, who who are they?
Like they're in uniforms.
Who are these guys?
And who are they fighting?
And so we have the FrenchForeign Legion fighting against
who in the 1920s.
And do do either of you did dideither of you have a reaction
to that?
Kris Butler (18:50):
Yeah, I was I was confused.
I I looked it up to try andfind out like who they were
fighting, and they weren'treally in Egypt at that time
period, you know, they were likea couple maybe like 30 years
prior, and then maybe you likehelped out a bit during World
War II, but I I don't know whothey were fighting.
It's like, are they actuallythe French Foreign Legion, or
(19:11):
did you know like a battalionsay, like, hey, let's go on
holiday real quick and go steal,go, you know, grave robbing
down in Egypt?
Like, it's possible.
Jordon Huppert (19:19):
So O'Connell does say later in the movie that
his whole battalion believed somuch that they followed whoever
through the desert to find it.
So I don't know that they werethere officially.
Joshua Gilliland (19:31):
Off book.
Okay.
But but still, it's like thislooks more like something
Napoleon's men would have done,which would take it out of the
21st century.
So there would be no airplane.
Uh, but that would also be afascinating film to watch
because again, different tech,different beliefs.
(19:53):
Uh, but you don't have cars orairplanes if we're dealing with
you know Napoleonic invasions.
Anywho, um idea who they werefighting, though.
Yeah, yeah, not a clue.
Yeah, so we then get introducedto Evelyn, who's in the library
and ends up on a ladder andknocks down monster-sized
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bookcases.
They they go over likedominoes, and it raises the
issue of damage to the libraryby by an employee, and this
raises OSHA issues and others.
Who wants to jump in?
Kris Butler (20:32):
Well, you OSHA wouldn't have existed then.
No, but even even missed it byabout 10 years, by about 10
years.
Joshua Gilliland (20:41):
So that's that's the 30s when we get safe,
yeah.
Kris Butler (20:45):
The occupational uh safety and health act.
Joshua Gilliland (20:49):
So FDR time frame.
Okay, so we're in the it'spost-Theodore Roosevelt's square
deal, you know, with trying tominimize child labor and some of
the other, you know, bad thingsthat were happening to
employees.
With what do you mean you don'twant to work seven days a week,
14 hours a day?
Kris Butler (21:08):
What do you mean we can't lock you in a building
even if it gets you know thefire breaks out?
Joshua Gilliland (21:14):
Yeah, yeah.
Who needs that?
Um, but again, OSHA does saythat you have to have safe
working conditions, and I thinkthere were safe conditions.
It's her taking a ladder for awalk.
That's the problem.
Now, there could be an issuewith that should have been a
two-person job with somebodyholding the ladder so you don't
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end up dying horribly, or havethe ladder hook onto the
shelves, yeah.
Kris Butler (21:43):
Yeah, and then you know, have a wheels on the
bottom so it can roll.
Joshua Gilliland (21:47):
Yeah, there are other ways where this isn't
dangerous.
Jordon Huppert (21:50):
So I'm she improperly trained in the use of
the ladder, Josh.
Joshua Gilliland (21:55):
It's well, it's the wrong tool for the for
the job, and so I mean that'd bemight be fine for painting the
bookcases or the walls in thelibrary, but for going along the
bookcases uh seems bad.
I so John Quincy Adams had thefirst presidential library, and
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I went to it and it was coolbecause it's actually a library,
and it's one of those with theyou know, the the ladder that
rolls along, uh dream nerd.
You know, again, it's it's likesmall bar, and it's like, yep,
this literally is a library.
Jordon Huppert (22:38):
One of my friends built one of those.
I'm super jealous.
Rolling ladder hooks onto thebars of the sh everything.
Joshua Gilliland (22:46):
Is is it weird that I want one?
Jordon Huppert (22:48):
No, I want one too.
Joshua Gilliland (22:51):
This is my library, and I come here and
study and do work, and we'llhave nice paintings and other
fun stuff.
It'll have tea.
Uh, but again, it's weird tohave that as a goal, I think,
because you see that that'd bepretty cool.
But those bookshelves in thismovie aren't like bolted to the
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floor, it's easy for them to goover like dominoes.
Kris Butler (23:17):
Yeah, that that makes it really unsafe because
you would think that even with abunch of books with that amount
of weight, they'd be kind ofeither not necessarily bolted
into the ground, but they wouldhave such a weight that they
would be maybe bottom heavy.
Joshua Gilliland (23:31):
Yeah, so you don't I I don't know if they get
earthquakes in regularly.
I mean, any part of the planetcan get an earthquake, but if
it's prone to earthquakes, is Ithink the more important
question.
Jordon Huppert (23:43):
I think Egypt's particularly prone to
earthquakes.
Joshua Gilliland (23:48):
Don't know, can ask.
It's a noble fact.
Uh, but yeah, you would wantthe bookshelves to not go
dominoes.
Um, but again, it looked likeit was a practical effect.
Stunt looked practical, goodfor them.
Jordon Huppert (24:04):
Apparently, it was all done in one take.
Joshua Gilliland (24:07):
It would have to be.
So it's it's uh oh, God blessthem.
All right, so Rick's in prisonand gonna get sentenced to
death.
How?
I mean, like, I just did anyonehear any rationale for what he
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did that got him a deathsentence?
Jordon Huppert (24:31):
He had a very good time.
Joshua Gilliland (24:36):
That's that's generally not a capital offense.
Jordon Huppert (24:39):
It's the only rationale they give.
Yeah.
Uh capital offenses for us aremurder and murder and maybe
treason.
I'm not sure treason is a goodone.
Yeah, treason's offense.
Joshua Gilliland (24:53):
Yeah, yeah, but it's yeah, highly specific.
Jordon Huppert (24:56):
Yeah, I I career public defender, we don't get
we don't get to that level.
Joshua Gilliland (25:02):
I I would hope not.
Kris Butler (25:04):
Um that's a rough afternoon if that's the client
call of you did what I thinkthere have only been 30 cases of
treason in in US history, andthe last one I think might be in
the 40s.
Joshua Gilliland (25:20):
Yeah, there were some World War II ones.
Kris Butler (25:23):
Yeah, there was Kramer versus United States, and
I'm totally not doing uh atreason video on Star Wars at
all.
Uh, but uh I I can I could pullup that document.
But no, I think uh yeah, so Ithink treason is under there and
it is not highly charged.
Sedition, oddly enough, is liketreason light.
Joshua Gilliland (25:46):
Yeah, there so during World War II, I looked
at this like a decade ago, soI'm going off memory.
There was like aid and comfortto the enemy cases.
There was an American citizenof Japanese descent who was in
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Japan at the start of World WarII and got stuck there and like
ended up working for theJapanese, either as like helping
do interrogations with POWs,the bad things that that got
him, I think might have been hiscitizenship removed.
Uh again, knowable fact.
(26:28):
Uh, but uh it's some of thosetype of cases.
And I think there were, Ithink, some attempted treason
cases with people of Germandescent in New York, and some of
the German spies were droppedoff via submarine, like looked
up their buddies, and it's like,hey Klaus, how did how did you
(26:50):
get here?
And you know, and it was like,Hey, can you help me go blow up
a factory?
And it was like, No, no, I willnot.
I like it here.
Kris Butler (27:00):
Um, so there was one guy who his son uh was um a
spy for the Germans, and he washelping his son do things, but
he was doing it because he'sjust helping his son, whereas
that that was the defense hetook, and he got convicted of
treason.
Now he didn't get the deathpenalty for it, he got life in
prison.
(27:20):
But yeah, that was like housefee something.
Joshua Gilliland (27:27):
Yeah, there's uh not good, not good.
Uh I'm curious to see what thethe guy who the former sailor,
there still might be sailor, youknow, who ended up burning down
one of our you know a uh attackships, uh, you know, the one of
the baby aircraft carriers, andit was something about his mom,
(27:50):
who's also of Chinese descent,thought it'd be a good idea for
him to be able to get a job withthe Chinese government if he
you know turned over US statesecrets.
Um, what's how's that trialplay out?
Mom said I should betray mycountry.
Kris Butler (28:07):
Hey, if you have the intent to betray your
country to an enemy, there itis.
Joshua Gilliland (28:11):
Yeah, and and do you how long mom now needs to
be lumped in as part of the ofa conspirator?
Kris Butler (28:17):
So uh again could be co-defended at that point,
and there's and there's awitness.
You need two witnesses.
Joshua Gilliland (28:25):
Yeah.
So there's a whole bunch ofissues with O'Connell getting
the death sentence by hanging.
Like we don't I don't think anystate still allows hanging
unless it's some weird onethat's uh we still have a firing
squad, at least we Utah stillhas the firing squad.
Yeah, isn't Utah you can selectthe way your menu of of how you
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want to be executed, and that'sthat's why someone picked
firing squad.
Kris Butler (28:55):
Yeah.
Joshua Gilliland (28:55):
Okay.
Which feels awful to me, butit's again, it's there there
aren't a lot of good ways todie, uh, besides like old and in
bed.
Kris Butler (29:07):
Um the last hanging took place in Delaware in 1996.
Joshua Gilliland (29:13):
Yeah, I don't think that's something we've got
to do.
Kris Butler (29:15):
Not as long ago as you want it to be.
Yeah, I was like, I wassurprised it said that you know,
I would have thought it wouldhave probably gone out, I would
say, the 70s.
Joshua Gilliland (29:25):
At the latest or 30s, like you you think
that's the sort of thing thatwould have stopped during World
War II?
Like, we would have just notdone it anymore post Roosevelt,
like definitely not Truman orEisenhower, but okay, if it's
during the Clintonadministration, yeah.
(29:48):
Okay, well, that's upsetting.
All right, so we have abuses ofa prisoner, they they do not
treat uh O'Connell well.
Kris Butler (29:57):
So that's the other thing is is this a State-ran
prison or like a government-ranprison, or is this just, you
know, there's been some personjust appointed in charge of this
area and he's just doingwhatever he wants.
He just sort of given uncheckedpower.
Joshua Gilliland (30:16):
Yeah, I I thought it was unchecked power,
and I don't know if it's statesponsored, or if this is like a
like warlord or corporate ruledarea where it's, you know,
again, there's negotiations withthis leader uh for Jack to, or
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excuse me, for Rick to not beexecuted and ordered in and like
there there's negotiations onlike 25% of what we find, and we
need them alive in order to doso.
I mean, like that's warden.
Okay.
Jordon Huppert (30:54):
That's his credit.
Joshua Gilliland (30:57):
So a warden deciding I'm not going to carry
out an execution order because Iwant to go treasure hunting.
The warden doesn't have thepower to grant that kind of
clemency.
Kris Butler (31:14):
Nope.
Joshua Gilliland (31:17):
Nor do we want warden to not legally.
No, we nor do we want a wardento have that kind of power uh to
to do that either.
Like that's just that's badmojo.
Kris Butler (31:29):
Public corruption.
Joshua Gilliland (31:31):
Yeah.
And yeah, and yeah, easy motifof the corrupt warden of like,
well, we can pay him off fromSha Shank to other movies as
well and TV shows.
All right, we have sexualbattery.
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Uh O'Connell kissing Evelyn.
Uh, that's that's a sexualbattery.
That's just wrong.
And when he's confronted by it,it's like seemed like a good
idea at the time because Ithought it was going to die.
That um Evelyn did not likehearing that.
Jordon Huppert (32:16):
No.
Joshua Gilliland (32:19):
Just just say no.
Just just don't.
All right.
So we have a performancecontract that's entered for Rick
to lead everyone to the city ofthe dead.
And it's a multi-partycontract.
So the contract's technicallybetween Evelyn and the warden,
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but it's to be performed byRick.
And that's how Rick gets out ofjail is by this performance.
Does that make him athird-party beneficiary?
But he has to perform.
Is he a late party to thecontract?
What do you gentlemen think?
Jordon Huppert (33:04):
He does presumably agree to it at some
point.
Kris Butler (33:08):
Yeah, but then you have the issue of unequal
bargaining power because it'slike do this or die.
Jordon Huppert (33:14):
Yeah.
Pretty clearly duress.
Yeah.
Agree to take us there, joinour contract, or we'll kill you.
Kris Butler (33:22):
Is there extortion here?
Joshua Gilliland (33:25):
Yeah, there's a yeah, that's pretty intense
because uneven bargainbargaining power, and he's not
part of the original deal.
So, you know, his he gets astay of execution and
effectively told, take me to thecity of the dead to go find
treasure, and you get to gofree.
Jordon Huppert (33:46):
Yeah.
Or is there an argument thatEevee is acting as his agent?
He says, Get me out of here,and I'll take you to Haminoptra.
Kris Butler (33:55):
Mm-hmm.
That's true.
Joshua Gilliland (33:58):
That's good catch.
Kris Butler (34:02):
Or is it a work release program?
Jordon Huppert (34:06):
I mean, if the warden could commute sentences,
then why not give him fullauthority over work release?
Joshua Gilliland (34:14):
Yeah, that's that's a lot of power for a
warden because now it's it'slike the governor granting
clemency.
It's it's normally an executivethat gets to do that, as in
like the leader of the state orthe city or no country.
Jordon Huppert (34:30):
It's not so pretty sure you're not allowed
to do that in exchange for 25%of a treasure.
Joshua Gilliland (34:37):
Yeah, ultra virus.
Like that, this is well outsideyour job duties.
I mean, I don't know.
Kris Butler (34:43):
It seemed to work out for Nick Cage in National
Treasure.
He donated uh, you know, like98 or 99 percent of the treasure
that they found, and he gotaway with committing a litany of
crimes.
That was after the fact, that'sjust plea bargaining.
Joshua Gilliland (34:58):
Yeah, it's a little presidential pardon, you
know, action there, but it'sit's not like the the head of
the Smithsonians like we'regonna go on an adventure.
I mean, first off, that wouldbe cool, like if that were let's
call Hollywood.
Jordon Huppert (35:15):
Yeah, side note idea for a movie.
Joshua Gilliland (35:18):
Everyone, we're we're going to Mount
Rushmore, and it's like yeah,that that doesn't happen.
Fun idea.
Jordon Huppert (35:25):
They're closed right now, they might be
willing.
Joshua Gilliland (35:29):
We're gonna fund this baby one way or
another.
Uh let's go find the lostDutchman mine and uh off the
gold country.
Okay, so those are all thingsthat happen.
Uh we have uh Benny shows upalive.
(35:50):
Now, an earlier issue withBenny is if Benny and Rick were
on a joint venture to findtreasure, did Benny breach his
fiduciary duty to Rick byabandoning him at the beginning
(36:12):
of the film?
Jordon Huppert (36:18):
I mean you'd have to go through the other
layer of the first person to runis the captain.
And then Benny tells Rick thathe's the highest rank or
whatever he says, and thatRick's in charge now.
Joshua Gilliland (36:33):
And then Benny goes and like seals himself off
and leaves Rick and everyoneelse to die.
Is that yeah, I mean, therethere are weird issues that if
they're off book from the FrenchForeign Legion, like they're
they've gone rogue at this atthis point.
So from a public policystandpoint, we wouldn't say
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that's a joint venture, we'llsay it's a conspiracy, and
conspirators do not have a dutyof loyalty or fiduciary duties
to each other because we don'twant to encourage that conduct.
If they were operating underthe French Foreign Legion, then
there could be issues ofdereliction of duty, conduct
(37:19):
unbecoming, and this is where weneed Thomas Harper to help us
understand what exactly is theFrench Foreign Legion, and do
they follow some version versionof a military code of justice?
Or are they mercenaries?
Like that's something I've wewe talk about the French Foreign
Legion like we all know what itis, but what is it?
Jordon Huppert (37:43):
So well, I think given that their their stated
purpose is to pillage a city oftreasure that they have no
particular right to, I'm notsure the military code of
justice for desertion is goingto be their big problem.
Joshua Gilliland (37:59):
Probably not.
Probably not.
I mean it's not like they'restealing from the Louvre in
broad daylight.
Kris Butler (38:07):
Yeah, who would do that?
Jordon Huppert (38:09):
That would never happen.
Kris Butler (38:10):
It was a low average crew.
Joshua Gilliland (38:14):
I mean, no ladders were involved in this
operation, so I mean it wasdaylight, but there's where was
Nick Cage at that point, by theway?
Well, I mean, if he's a there'sa theory he is a mortal.
You know, he could have beensomeplace else.
All right, so back to the boator the river boat.
(38:37):
Rick throws Benny off the boatinto the channel because he's
upset at Benny's basicallyexistence because he's a weasel
that can't be trusted.
But I think throwing somebodyoverboard is attempted murder.
Jordon Huppert (38:57):
We also sold him out for the uh the route to
Hamanopra, too.
Joshua Gilliland (39:02):
Yeah, yeah.
It's well, how much of that wasEvie's brother like not keeping
his mouth shut to the other,yeah.
Kris Butler (39:15):
I don't know.
I I don't know if that's a uhuh attempted murder.
I I think at least here inMichigan it'd be assault with
intent to do great bodily harmbecause you know uh maybe uh
Rick didn't care whether helived or died, but at least here
in Michigan with an assault uhwith intent to commit murder,
(39:36):
you have to have that intent tomurder.
I I think he just wanted tohurt him and wanted to get rid
of him and didn't really carewhether he lived or died.
Jordon Huppert (39:47):
Uncle I'm not entirely convinced you could
even say he wanted to hurt him.
Kris Butler (39:50):
I mean he was fine, yeah, yeah.
But I feel like if you throwsomeone off a boat, that's like
a high enough thing.
It's like if you push someoneoff of like the top of a car or
the top of a truck, like it isit's reasonable to assume
they're gonna get hurt.
Joshua Gilliland (40:08):
Yeah, I there's a drowning factor,
there's a hypothermia factor,there's you know, falling on
water can be like falling onconcrete, you know.
Kris Butler (40:17):
There could be there could be crocodiles since
they're in Egypt, you know.
Joshua Gilliland (40:21):
Yeah, I I do think that the uh it could at
least be manslaughter.
Uh well if Benny died, this isa different yeah, but but he
does survive because again, he'sa cockroach that keeps living.
Jordon Huppert (40:37):
Um which it does make alongside of the river,
yes.
Joshua Gilliland (40:42):
Which brings us to the the boat fire, and we
we have a fight, so O'Connelldoes notice that, like, hey,
there are wet footprints,meaning someone came on board,
goes to EB's cabin, a fightensues, and apparently there's
no fire suppression controlsystem on this vessel at all.
It's not like fire hoses hadn'tbeen invented by 1923.
(41:07):
And and apparently the entireboat's made out of kindling, and
so you know, a fire starts andthen engulfs the entire vessel
with rapid speed.
As a boater, it's like, okay,like that sort of thing could
happen.
There's generally no shortageof volunteers to fight a fire on
(41:30):
a ship because you're all inthe same boat literally.
And when there's a problem ofthat magnitude, people are quick
to fight the fire, but thatspreads fast and is out of
control quickly.
Who's liable for it?
Because it's the fire startsbecause of a fight in a
(41:50):
stateroom where someone's tryingto either harm Evie or kill
her.
Gentlemen, what do you think?
Kris Butler (42:03):
I don't I don't think it matters unless there
was an intent to do it becausethe magi are trespassing.
And so what uh Okano and Evieare doing are self-defense or
defense of others, um on a placethey're legally allowed to be.
So I I think any harm thatcomes from it extends from the
(42:24):
magi.
Jordon Huppert (42:26):
Yeah.
There's the other layer to thisthat I was noticing, which
bumps back to what Josh wassaying about ships not being
quite that flammable.
Um, you do see a couple of s uhshots of magi throwing torches
around and spreading the fire.
So like there's an if they'renot liable for the original
(42:48):
fire, they are certainly liablefor uh spreading it.
Oh yeah.
Joshua Gilliland (42:53):
Yeah, because now they're it's it's the arson
with the intent to kill.
Yeah, because that's the otherweird part of the you know the
the gift of these magi.
They're uh they're they're notshy in trying to kill people.
All right, we now get to thetreasure hunting theft of
(43:14):
cultural artifacts.
Jordon Huppert (43:16):
So here's before we jump to that, here's an
interesting question.
The magi know that these peopleare on a uh an archaeological
expedition to this uh ancientsecret city.
They know that at least two ofthe people on the boat know how
to get there, and they know thatif any idiot reads this book,
uh the world is going to end.
Do they have some defense toany of this?
(43:40):
Like is there the necessaryimminence to to run a
self-defense?
Joshua Gilliland (43:48):
But the theory It's not like someone's
intentionally or knowinglyreading from the book yet.
Kris Butler (43:56):
Yeah.
Joshua Gilliland (43:57):
And so you're trying to get it's it's trying
to kill someone because of astate secret and saying that the
home the the death is justifiedin order to keep that
information from getting out.
Kris Butler (44:14):
Yeah, because they don't even know for sure what
they're gonna do.
They could just get there andjust be like, huh, we found it,
all right, and then leave.
You know, they could, eventhough they have people that
have the ability to find it,they could easily get lost and
never find it.
Jordon Huppert (44:34):
Or, you know, they're very, very clearly there
for for archaeologicalpurposes.
You've got an Egyptologist onthe American team and Evie on
the team who are very clearlythere to you know study it.
Plus, you've got Rick and therest of the Americans who are
(44:57):
there to treasure hunt.
I think there's a decentargument that they have some
foreseeability that bad shit isgoing to happen if they get
there.
Kris Butler (45:07):
Yeah, but I don't know how much of a
foreseeability can be a defensewhen you know you they're so
removed from it at that point.
Yeah, you know, like if they'renot explicitly, I mean, I know
they're tasked to defend it, butby defend it by who?
Someone that's been dead forthousands of years, you know,
(45:27):
where where how long does thatimminence is definitely their
problem, yeah.
Joshua Gilliland (45:33):
And merely being on the joint venture to
find this cultural artifact doesnot necessarily mean that
someone has justifiablehomicide, that we're willing to
kill people to keep this asecret.
I think that's a problem.
(45:54):
Yeah, because it's one thing togo, they got the book and
they're about to resurrectemotep, and things are gonna get
ugly.
There's there's a defense ofothers argument at that point
when the defense of the other isliterally the entire planet.
We're not there yet.
(46:14):
Because they could be talkeddown with like you you all need
to stop.
But that is an interestingquestion.
All right, is the warning forthe curse act uh adequate?
Because the curse war excuseme, the warning states exactly
(46:34):
what would happen to everyoneinvolved.
It says don't read from thebook.
And uh here we go.
Jordon Huppert (46:45):
Well, it is clearly adequate enough for the
people who read the warning togo, I guess we better not read
that book then.
Joshua Gilliland (46:53):
Yeah, they stop, yeah, yeah.
They literally, and theEgyptologist is like holding on
to it, going, Nope.
Yeah, um, this can go to amuseum.
We're not gonna trigger the endof the world.
Jordon Huppert (47:05):
This belongs in a museum, it does.
Kris Butler (47:08):
Um, and and then the other thing that I should
have I should have put in there,we got booby traps.
You got booby traps, boobytraps are illegal, they're no
go.
Joshua Gilliland (47:20):
Yeah, it's no defense of property, no lethal
defense of property.
So it's one thing to have analarm that goes off, but when
darts start shooting or you getbeetles coming to eat your
flesh, yeah, that are thousandsof years old.
That no, no.
Moreover, just from a practicalaspect, like I get having
(47:45):
treasure effectively in a bankbecause you want to protect it
and you want to be able to useit, but if no one can ever
withdraw it, it's useless atthat point.
That seems the the treasurevault always seemed like a weird
concept to me because you'vemade it unusable.
(48:07):
Are you just gonna visit andhang out in the gold, or are you
gonna use it to you know putroofs on schools?
We're gonna build new streetswith this.
We're gonna make sureeveryone's fed with this.
Instead, we're just gonna holdhoard the wealth.
Jordon Huppert (48:24):
I want to look at my pretty stuff, yeah, yeah,
and take it with me to theafterlife after I'm dead.
Joshua Gilliland (48:31):
But it's multi-generated.
Jordon Huppert (48:32):
No one else can look at my pretty stuff.
Kris Butler (48:34):
Yeah, it's mine.
It's I'll charge you to look atmy pretty stuff.
Joshua Gilliland (48:38):
I get that I get because there's at least a
profit being made, and othersare going to see it.
But uh, and I'm all forproperty being a bundle of
sticks, and you get to controlwhat happens to the sticks.
I I remember that well fromproperty, but this is from a I'm
with you.
Jordon Huppert (48:57):
I've never understood the idea.
Like, I get the bundle ofsticks theory, but I've never
understood the idea of takingyour bundle of sticks and
putting it somewhere where it isentirely useless to everyone
but you and largely useless toyou.
Joshua Gilliland (49:14):
Yeah, yeah, it's not like Scrooge McDuck
going for a swim in the in thegold, it's everyone who got it's
dead.
Jordon Huppert (49:22):
And the future generation Scrooge McDuck
swimming in the gold, but yeah.
Joshua Gilliland (49:27):
Yeah, it's like everybody else is dead.
This is of no use to thecurrent citizens of that country
because it's supposed to benational wealth.
And I again, if if it onlybenefited pharaohs, and the
pharaohs only added to it, theydidn't take it out with we're we
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want a new boat, we need a newaqueduct system.
It just it just seems weird tome that just that concept.
I know I'm dispelling theentire concept of of the movie
by attacking it because ofprinciple.
But again, it's like Lord ofthe or um uh the Hoppet.
(50:08):
It's like smog is just gonnahang out on a room full of gold.
Jordon Huppert (50:13):
And I think the principle of the movie is
different.
I mean, you do want to hideyour weapons of mass destruction
that you have made a personinto, and the ostensible keys to
that in the books you have.
That seems worth hiding in avery secure vault, not burying
in the city, surrounded byrandom people, but yeah.
Kris Butler (50:33):
I'm I get that just go toss it in a vote volcano.
Let's just be be done with it.
Joshua Gilliland (50:38):
We're gonna be very sure he's not coming back.
Yeah, yeah.
Fill them full of concrete,dump them off uh the continental
shelf in 3,000 feet of water,we're good.
Kris Butler (50:48):
Like he's not it's only an issue in Transformers,
yeah.
Joshua Gilliland (50:55):
Again, only like 5,000 guys died on the
aircraft carrier getting sunk.
We're just gonna skip over thatpart.
All right.
That's a deep cut.
Kris Butler (51:07):
So all right.
Joshua Gilliland (51:10):
So uh after the the escape from the first
escape from the city of thedead, was Jack's or excuse me,
Jack, why do I keep doing all?
Um, was Rick's contractperformed because he makes a con
you know comment about like,I'm done, we're getting out of
here, which I think is the rightanswer.
(51:32):
Answer time to go, bye-bye.
Kris Butler (51:35):
Got him to Haminoptra and got him out.
Jordon Huppert (51:37):
Yep.
He performed.
I'm not entirely sure thecontract was even to get them
out.
I think it was just to get themthere.
That's true.
Joshua Gilliland (51:44):
Yeah.
The you know, uh the the guys onMonster Party talked about
event horizon, you know, and andthere's the scene where you
know the the the boarding crewwatches you know camera crew
footage of the prior crew alldying horribly, and the
captain's response response iswe're leaving.
Kris Butler (52:06):
That's yep, that's the right move.
Jordon Huppert (52:10):
Yep.
Joshua Gilliland (52:11):
No.
Uh uh, but the problem pay meenough for this.
Jordon Huppert (52:16):
Bye.
Joshua Gilliland (52:19):
I'm going to London.
So yeah.
Uh but here, yeah, I do thinkhis contract was performed.
And now it's, you know, he's ateam player with Evie and her
brother, and good times, goodtimes.
We next have so apparentlythere's an RAF pilot left over
(52:46):
from World War One that's justhanging out waiting to die.
Jordon Huppert (52:53):
And he's he seems to be staffing some random
garrison that's still there.
But he's the only staff.
Kris Butler (53:01):
Which I think I it kind of makes sense given that
uh the last time that uh Francewas in Egypt in any kind of
combat was 1890s, and this guyseems like he's in his like late
60s or early 70s, that you knowhe would have been left over
from that.
Joshua Gilliland (53:20):
Yeah, yeah, but it's he's supposed to be
from the UK.
Jordon Huppert (53:24):
Yeah, he's very distinctly British.
Kris Butler (53:26):
Oh, yeah, he was.
I forgot about that.
Joshua Gilliland (53:28):
And and so if you're a World War One pilot,
which is the teens, so let'sjust say 1914-15, and airplanes
were new.
So he's been there for let'sjust say nine years.
Like he would have been an oldpilot to begin with, so you
(53:51):
know, with airplane technologybeing new, and uh, and maybe
that happened again.
We're far enough away thatthere are I I don't I think all
the World War I vets are nowgone.
Kris Butler (54:02):
Oh British troops started in Egypt in 1882, so he
could have been in there fromany time after that and just
spent chilling and became apilot, and which is again weird
for you only got one guy at thegarrison.
Joshua Gilliland (54:20):
What dances with wolves bonkers-ness is that
we're sending one guy, um yeah,uh the British maybe it was a
just we need to maintain our ourpresence here, but that's but
that seems inadequate.
It's like why not four or five?
Like, because then the onedude's always on watch, the one
(54:44):
dude's maintaining his aircraftby himself, so there's no ground
crew, there's no support staff,it's there was nothing to do,
they weren't expecting him to doanything.
Jordon Huppert (54:54):
But I mean, you still left him an airplane is
somewhat of a mystery.
Kris Butler (54:57):
Maybe, maybe he pissed someone off.
No, like this is gonna be yourassignment.
Yep, this is where you're gonnadie.
Joshua Gilliland (55:07):
Whoops, uh sure.
But again, it's weird that I'mmy own air crew.
Kris Butler (55:15):
Yeah.
Joshua Gilliland (55:16):
Um, because it's like here's the jobs for
multiple people, and we just gotLenny stuck there, you know, in
the desert, waiting for the dayhe can finally die in peace.
That that's a that's a lot forKing and Country.
So we get to the you know, thebig fight.
(55:38):
There's uh that's too weird toget into with it's self-defense
and and defense of others inorder to save the day.
Uh there's the the age-oldissue of is you know fighting a
mummy desecration of a corpse.
Kris Butler (55:54):
Probably I don't know, the corpse can fight back.
Joshua Gilliland (55:57):
Yeah, that's the thing.
Kris Butler (55:59):
It's like only if you lose because the other thing
is, I mean, technically, whenthe corpse like throws a punch,
technically, it you know, it'san old corpse, it could be
breaking just by hitting me.
That that's the corpse's fault.
But also, if he's alive,doesn't he get culpability back
(56:22):
because he's still living andhe's you know, uh how isn't he
more alive than dead at acertain point after he takes
enough organs and body partsfrom people?
Joshua Gilliland (56:34):
Yeah, so there are multiple mummies at at play
here.
So we have emotep, which issuper being dangerous, killing
people, and and in gruesomeways.
You then get his priestspopping out of the ground, and
they're loyal to him.
And then when you get the otherbook opened, the the good guys
(56:56):
are in ultimately in control ofthose soldiers who've been
reanimated, but it appears theydon't have free will anymore,
they're just puppets, which isweird.
But again, like if they'redead, it's like okay, so the
soul isn't there, so you're justdealing with a corpse at that
(57:17):
point that you can command.
It's weird.
The law's not designed forfighting mummies.
Yeah, nope.
We don't have a mummy.
Yeah, we don't have a mummyepidemic, you know.
Kris Butler (57:34):
The uh I'm calling my congresswoman.
Joshua Gilliland (57:37):
Yeah.
Uh uh, governor, you know,there's California.
We just had a bunch of lawssigned into effect and a you
know, bunch vetoed because thelegislature was busy.
I don't want to get into whatwas approved and what was not,
but there was a lot ofeverything that that was on the
table.
Kris Butler (57:57):
None of I'll write a memo for Big Gretsch.
That's what I'll put the internon in my office.
Joshua Gilliland (58:01):
Yeah, it's like she, Madam Governor.
We want to talk about the mummyproblem.
Yeah, I see.
Kris Butler (58:10):
This is what uh a law professor needs to do for
you know uh constitutional lawor something like that.
Just be like, all right, whatconstitutional rights do mummies
have?
Write a memo on it, convinceme.
Joshua Gilliland (58:24):
It's if they're dead, they're like a
cultural artifact and there'sdesecration of corpse rules that
kick into play.
Um like you shouldn't take themfrom another country and bring
them here as an exhibit.
It's one thing if that countrydoes a world tour with said
mummy.
I always felt that was in weirdpoor taste, but that's my spin
(58:49):
on it.
And we we don't again we don'twant uh Native Americans put on
display.
I mean, like that's just sickand wrong and would violate our
desecration of the corpse lawsin various states, like that
would not be acceptable.
(59:09):
But this but when they get upand they start fighting, that's
a new one, and luckily not onewe have to deal with yet.
There would be people todevelop practice areas, yeah.
Were you a loved one injured bya mummy?
Kris Butler (59:32):
Like mummy thelioma.
Joshua Gilliland (59:42):
Well done, dude.
Bravo, you you win tonight.
You win check mate, all youclear the board, all you.
Um brilliant.
Kris Butler (59:59):
This is just
Joshua Gilliland (01:00:00):
be the title like have you or a loved one
suffered from a mummy theliomayou may be entitled to
compensation I mean we knowwhere the deep pocket is we want
some of that okay so anythingelse from this 1999 classic uh
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legal no but uh it does uh makeme laugh every time I watch this
movie that um the curatorcharacter uh when Evie and
Jonathan walk into his officeand he's got the map and he's uh
looking at it and he's talkingabout how he doesn't speak in
(01:00:52):
ancient Egyptian he is uh thesame actor uh Eric Avari plays
Kasuf in the Stargate franchisespeaks ancient Egyptian and it
makes me laugh every timebecause there's only what four
years difference between thosetwo movies um yeah I think maybe
(01:01:17):
uh the movie Stargate may havebeen 92 no no I show Stargate
was coming on right around whenthis movie came out and he's in
that too got small world haveeither of you been on the mummy
ride at Universal Studios yepclassic ride uh Jordan I have
(01:01:39):
not okay I think it's one of thebest roller coasters ever it's
it's fantastic a backwards dropyou expect it to go forward and
it goes backwards and I I wentwith a bunch of friends after a
legal conference in Orlando andone of my colleagues was so
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terrified as soon as thathappened her hand came down on
my thought uh like leg as a clawand sunk in oh man uh um she
apologized afterwards but bloodcurdling scream like it was it
was worth it but wow uh Ihaven't been I don't know if
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they have that the Californiaone uh it's been a long time
since I've been to to Universalin California so I'm due for a
trip but uh yeah it's anincredible ride it costs 40
million dollars to make wow wowfor location or just uh I uh
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let's see uh this retrievedarticle uh da da no yeah they uh
I think to to repurpose the oldET uh ride they spent forty
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dollars on like building it outand uh doing all the effects
fascinating so when I didOrlando we also did et so I
think Orlando still has bothyeah um but yeah it's worth a
(01:03:30):
trip to Universal to to go dothat oh yeah and then now you
got Epic Universal is there it'seven more but oh I would so
love to go do that um I will doit but uh I will fortunately get
to do it a month from nowOrlando or California Orlando
nice very nice so well that's alot for this movie and uh a lot
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of good legal issues and uh itwas again it's a fun movie there
are I I've seen social mediaposts of people doing photo ops
with uh Frazier at cons andpeople in different cosplay from
the mummy movies and it's justlike that's adorable I like it
(01:04:19):
just uh yeah it's just a lot oflove for for the actors and and
the story so again it's justit's just fun so yeah yeah so
it's a fun franchise yeah I likeI wasn't a fan of the third one
as much just because of yeahbut uh the second one is a is a
(01:04:41):
good time uh second one isamazing yeah you can't have the
lead actress go like there's noway I have a 20 year old son no
I'm out and she was right yeahum that's silly you're gonna
give me a lot of gray hair uhmake this like the 1950s no
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that's weird uh on the flip sideuh yeah the second one's a lot
of fun and we'll need to do thattoo so so that for everyone
thanks for tuning in uh thisagain continues our spooky
season analysis there's a littlemore coming and uh uh Chris and
Jordan thanks for helpingtonight and for everyone out
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there uh wherever you are staysafe stay healthy stay spooky
Hello, everyone.
My name is Joshua Gilloland,one of the founding attorneys of
the Legal Geeks.
We are here to discuss the 1999classic The Mummy with lots of
legal analysis.
With me for this adventure isChris Butler and Jordan Hooper.
Chris, how are you doing thisevening?
Kris Butler (00:19):
Oh, I'm doing all right.
I'm always up to talk themummy.
Joshua Gilliland (00:23):
And Jordan back for more.
Jordon Huppert (00:26):
I wasn't gonna come back, but I really do love
this movie.
Joshua Gilliland (00:31):
It was the when I was in my first apartment
at Davis and finally got cable.
This was the first movie thatwas on.
And it was Halloween, and sowas waiting for
trick-or-treaters and had themummy on.
So it was fun stuff, butthere's legal analysis to be
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had.
Uh, but before we get to that,Chris, why do you love this
movie?
Kris Butler (00:59):
Oh, it's just so much fun.
Uh, you know, you have the thethe whole, you know, sort of
like fantastical plot of like,okay, well, you have this
ancient mummy from Egypt that'scoming back, and uh you have
this, oh, like I don't I don'tbelieve in the supernatural kind
of character, you know, a lalike Indiana Jones, and uh then
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you have the uh Benny who isjust such a funny character, and
I still think it's just theclassic scene where you know the
mummy is uh MOTEP isapproaching him and he's going
through all the differentreligions, and then he gets to
the star of David, and he'slike, the language of the
slaves, and he's just like, Oh,this one it was just it just
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cracks me up every time.
Joshua Gilliland (01:48):
Jordan, how about you?
Jordon Huppert (01:50):
Um I don't know.
I think I saw it in theaterswhen it came out, and uh every
time it aired on TNT after that,or whatever station it was on,
ended up watching it on TV.
It is a hilarious movie.
Um I love the action scenes init.
I love Brendan Fraser.
Uh the the guy who plays Bennyis truly just an acting genius
(02:17):
to make that kind of a verybelievable con man, but also
just really funny.
I also love the scene with allthe necklaces.
That's one I've alwaysremembered too.
Joshua Gilliland (02:31):
Yes, yeah, there's a lot here.
So let's get into the legalissues.
Um I like this because it'sprobably the only successful
relaunch of a universal monster.
So uh, you know, Karloff playedEmotep in the original The
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Mummy, and he's terrifying andsinister, and the special
effects and and makeup at thattime were very impressive.
And this movie does a reallygood job carrying that forward
with a more enjoyable plot forthe protagonists.
Um, there's actually somethingthere, and that's fun.
(03:18):
Brendan Fraser is delightful,and also I just I think back to,
you know, it's like, wow, Ifinally have cable in my college
apartment, and here I go.
Uh actually, by then it wasfirst year of law school.
So uh just had graduatedcollege and was you know getting
law school underway, and herewas cable.
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So let's get into the legalissues, and we start back 3,000
plus years ago.
There's uh uh I think somebodyput in you you don't own people.
Like there was you know theIsraelites being used as slave
labor to build pyramids for thepharaoh pharaoh.
(04:02):
It's like there are epicstories told about why that's
bad.
And uh just a lot there.
Jordan, did you add thissection?
Jordon Huppert (04:11):
Yeah, I tacked this one in.
I was watching it, I hadn'tseen it in years, so I actually
it's the first and only movieI've bought from Amazon.
But uh I was watching it theother night again to prep for
this, and I th thought you know,this whole thing, all of it
could have been avoided if thePharaoh hadn't had this like
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weird possessory thing with anox and a moon as like an
ownership thing of her.
You know, people don't ownpeople.
Joshua Gilliland (04:54):
Yeah, and it's it's not stated that they're
married, or am I did I missthat?
Jordon Huppert (05:00):
I don't think they're married, I think she's
more of a um concubine, maybeyeah, it's kind of what it it
seemed like.
Kris Butler (05:12):
Um I think she's maybe like a future bride is is
my thing, and I think maybe theygo into that in like the second
one.
Um, because they just say likeher and and the the princess
have like a rivalry in the inthe next one.
(05:32):
That's right.
Joshua Gilliland (05:33):
Yeah, you need to rewatch that.
It's been a couple decades, uh,but I can say all of that's
bad, like absolutely not okay.
And uh, I mean it's notalienation of a f of a faction,
like we don't have that anymore.
I think it's down to four orfive states where that's still a
cause of action.
(05:54):
And even then, you know, the uhcrime of that does not result
in execution uh for thosehandful of states that still
have that.
Uh everyone else thinks it'sagainst public policy to have
such laws, and this is you know,bodily autonomy, free will, uh
(06:14):
just there are all kinds ofweird, creepy issues with it.
Jordon Huppert (06:20):
So, but for the lack of possessive policy, the
progressive policies in ancientEgypt, uh, we could have averted
the whole mummy disaster.
Joshua Gilliland (06:31):
Sure.
Which then gets into the issueof conspiracy.
Like, so we have uh emotep andon sun.
Uh I've always struggled withwith saying her name, uh, all
the hyphens, uh and the vowels.
Uh they have a conspiracy tokill the pharaoh, like that that
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is a capital offense, yeah.
And so it's conspiracy and thenmurder, and their plan is I
will resurrect you.
So that that's a detailed plan,uh, as opposed to like, why
don't we just leave?
We can leave and go someplaceelse.
(07:15):
We don't have to live likethis, but no, no, there's like
the clergy has a full-onconspiracy with the princess to
kill the head of state, and andthe clergy's people, like his
men were in on it too, at leastto some extent, because they
were willing to defend him.
(07:37):
It's almost like it's a cult,yeah.
It's it's really weird behaviorbecause you know, we're all
friends, but none of us aregonna go like, hey man, can you
help me with X?
No, yeah, no uh.
Jordon Huppert (07:51):
I mean, certainly not on a recorded
podcast, at least.
Joshua Gilliland (07:55):
If someone had a breakdown and they were on
the side of the road, I'd I'ddrive out, but you know, there's
uh that's nuts, that's a bigask.
And uh the fact that they allgo, sure, boss, we're we're with
you 100%, is just bonkers thatthat was their plan, and they
went for it.
Jordon Huppert (08:16):
We will kill the pharaoh, then they succeeded,
so you know, yeah.
Joshua Gilliland (08:22):
What's weird there's there isn't a continuity
of government plan, but there'sdefinitely we will exact
revenge for you killing thepharaoh, uh, which opens up the
next issue of there's no trialfor emoteb, they go straight to
executing him, and the executionis cruel and unusual punishment
(08:47):
for mummifying someone alive.
Yeah who would like to jumpinto the uh legal issues on what
is cruel and unusualpunishment?
Kris Butler (09:00):
Yeah, I can I can hop in on that.
Um, you know, um you know, wecan talk a little bit about the
the process of of mummificationand and how it kind of fits
that.
Um so when when you look at uhcruel and unusual punishment,
you know, there has to be anintent to inflict punishment,
which we we can see here, butyou have to show that there will
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be a substantial risk uh thatthe person is going to suffer
unnecessary pain, and it's it'sa high degree.
Um, and then you know, there'sa standards of decency, which
you can argue maybe they werejust like, well, no, this was
considered decent back in thattime, but you know, maybe you
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know, I feel like at that timethey had a lot quicker ways to
kill people.
This one was definitelyinflicted, like, we're gonna
make sure you suffer on your wayout, and you know, the process
of mummification involves likeremoving organs and you know,
sometimes removing uh other bodyparts so that you know it like
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sort of halts the process ofdecay.
There's dehydration anddesanguination, and it's a very
long and arduous process, andfor him to have lived through
even part of that would beterrible.
Jordon Huppert (10:25):
Yeah, they're pretty explicit that the reason
they're doing it is to cause himgreat suffering.
Yeah, they've only ever done itonce, and you know, it is a
punishment so terrible that theycan't imagine doing it to
anybody else, I guess.
Joshua Gilliland (10:42):
Well, then and so there are a couple things.
I don't think they do the organremoval on him, even though
there are sacred jars.
So that makes it sound if youstart removing body parts, you
kill the person.
And so again, the heart, brain,like you're done at that point.
Kris Butler (10:58):
At that point, murdered, as opposed to other
org, other organs, you know,that you can possibly live for
some part, sometime without.
I mean, yeah, like a liverforce magic curse of
immortality, yeah.
Yeah, that too.
Joshua Gilliland (11:12):
The the other part of this that's uh a little
weird for those enacting thepunishment is you're gonna make
him a supernatural monster.
Yeah, that doesn't seem like agood idea.
Like if you don't want himcoming back and you don't want
him being a problem, maybe findanother way for the
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administration of justice forthis dude to get executed that
doesn't involve him coming backas a supernatural being that
could end all of humanity.
That that seems like uhcounterintuitive uh to the point
of you know, uh a sent a asentence, a capital sentence for
killing the head of state.
Kris Butler (11:54):
Yeah, maybe they're just like, ah, that's not gonna
be our problem.
We'll be fine.
Joshua Gilliland (11:59):
It's we don't need to recycle here.
Jordon Huppert (12:02):
Putting off catastrophic problems on future
generations, who would do?
Who would do that?
Joshua Gilliland (12:07):
I don't know.
But so just for those curiousabout the legal standards, an
execution is cruel and unusualunder the US law.
If the method presents asubstantial or objectively
intolerable risk of seriousharm, it's from a 2008 case.
Uh, other courts havearticulated the legal standard
for determining whether a formof execution violates the cruel
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uh the prohibition of cruel andusual and unusual punishment, as
one presents a substantial riskthat a prisoner will suffer
unnecessarily and want and painin an execution, violates the
evolving standards of decencythat mark a mature society,
minimizes physical violence andmutilation of the prisoner's
body.
So I recognize that we'reapplying our standards of the
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21st century to 3,000 plus yearsago.
So you could say the societywas still evolving, but it's
ancient Egypt, which was anadvanced society that goes
through its ups and downs.
And uh, but I think all threeboxes are checked here.
So the prisoner will sufferunnecessary and want and pain.
Yep, done.
Jordon Huppert (13:10):
Whole point.
Joshua Gilliland (13:11):
Yeah, you that uh that was the point.
Uh violates the evolvingstandards of decency that mark a
mature society.
I don't think anyone wants toargue we have an immature
society, so therefore this wasokay.
That seems to be a badargument.
Jordon Huppert (13:27):
And then minimize buying someone alive
doesn't violate the evolvingstandards of decency.
Joshua Gilliland (13:32):
No, uh where was decency at all in the story?
Jordon Huppert (13:37):
Got that one checked.
Joshua Gilliland (13:37):
Yeah, and then minimizes physical violence and
mutilation of the prisoner'sbody.
Uh done.
Like, yep, we got it.
He's been, you know, there'sviolence and there's mutilation.
So from dumping the beetles onhim to just sealing them alive
and letting them suffocate uh toexpire, all bad.
(14:02):
Uh so uh either of you want tochime in with that?
Jordon Huppert (14:12):
I don't know if I would say it's minimizing the
physical violence andmutilation.
I think it seems to be morereveling physical violence and
mutilation of his body.
Joshua Gilliland (14:23):
Let's crank this up to 11.
Jordon Huppert (14:25):
Yeah.
Fun fact, apparently thebeetles that they poured in with
him were supposed to eat himalive, and then since he
couldn't die, he would bestarving and have to eat the
beetles in a weird, never-endingcycle of life and death.
Huh.
Gross.
Kris Butler (14:46):
Yeah.
Joshua Gilliland (14:47):
That's messed up on all kinds of levels.
So uh, next note, creating aninvincible plague as a
punishment seems like a terribleidea.
Who who picked that?
Kris Butler (15:01):
Oh, I put that in there.
But no, like who who reallythought that was a good a good
idea?
Like, I know they're just like,oh, we well, we have the um the
the Magi that are gonna, youknow, keep him under wraps, but
it was just like, okay, allright.
Maybe you know, you you thinkof a scenario where the the magi
(15:23):
fail, you know, they're justpeople, like you didn't give
them supernatural powers.
Like, if you're gonna give thethe person you're trying to lock
up supernatural powers, maybegive the people that are
supposed to protect, you know,the two supernatural powers.
Yeah, just a thought, yeah.
Joshua Gilliland (15:40):
Or maybe there's somebody in the magi
that would like to be an artistor go to film school or be a
doctor, and it's like, no, son,this is your birthright, this is
your job.
We're gonna stand guard overthis dead city to make sure a
terrible monster doesn't comeback.
Thanks, Dad.
(16:01):
And what great, great, great,great, great grandpa said we had
to do this because that seemslike I I don't have free will in
the story.
Kris Butler (16:10):
And it'd be like, but it's your dream, son.
No, dad, it's your dream.
Joshua Gilliland (16:16):
It was great, great, great, great grandpa's
dream, and we're stuck with it.
So, I mean, they went from theEgyptian gods to Islam at some
point over the generations.
That's a big switch.
Because he's at the end, hesays, go with Allah.
(16:39):
It's like so you changegenerational faith change.
Jordon Huppert (16:45):
Yeah, fascinating.
Still keyed to the mission.
Joshua Gilliland (16:50):
Yeah, like and that was the other part of
this.
It's like okay, that's a bigswitch.
Kris Butler (16:56):
Because when and and for them, like it'd be one
thing if they said that prior tohim being unlocked, and then
afterwards, they're like, huh,maybe the Egyptian guys were on
or they were on to something.
Because if you just saw thatand they did that while they
were under the Egyptian guys,you might be like, huh, maybe we
need to go dig out some oldfamily heirlooms to figure out
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what's going on.
Joshua Gilliland (17:19):
Yeah, it also it also raises the the question
of um Moses and the Exodus outof Egypt.
Because, like, how did thatplay out?
And if you have historicalevidence of actual Egyptian gods
people coming back from thedead, that's how religions
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start.
And and people would take noteof what just you this is the
book of the dead?
Okay, a lot to unpack there.
Uh a lot of theses.
Jordon Huppert (17:52):
Although I don't know that the Egyptians had
proof that you could come backfrom the dead, they just
believed it.
Joshua Gilliland (17:56):
Yeah, but I think all the dead mummies
coming out of the ground wouldbe exhibits A through F of that
it worked.
Jordon Huppert (18:05):
Yeah, but how many people saw that?
Joshua Gilliland (18:08):
And survived?
Yeah, like that's uh goodquestion.
Uh, but it's it's it raises allkinds of theological issues as
well.
So I here so at the beginningwe see you know our hero with
Benny, and it's in secondarymaterial that says they're in
the French Foreign Legion.
(18:30):
So I I was watching, I waslike, who who are they?
Like they're in uniforms.
Who are these guys?
And who are they fighting?
And so we have the FrenchForeign Legion fighting against
who in the 1920s.
And do do either of you did dideither of you have a reaction
to that?
Kris Butler (18:50):
Yeah, I was I was confused.
I I looked it up to try andfind out like who they were
fighting, and they weren'treally in Egypt at that time
period, you know, they were likea couple maybe like 30 years
prior, and then maybe you likehelped out a bit during World
War II, but I I don't know whothey were fighting.
It's like, are they actuallythe French Foreign Legion, or
(19:11):
did you know like a battalionsay, like, hey, let's go on
holiday real quick and go steal,go, you know, grave robbing
down in Egypt?
Like, it's possible.
Jordon Huppert (19:19):
So O'Connell does say later in the movie that
his whole battalion believed somuch that they followed whoever
through the desert to find it.
So I don't know that they werethere officially.
Joshua Gilliland (19:31):
Off book.
Okay.
But but still, it's like thislooks more like something
Napoleon's men would have done,which would take it out of the
21st century.
So there would be no airplane.
Uh, but that would also be afascinating film to watch
because again, different tech,different beliefs.
(19:53):
Uh, but you don't have cars orairplanes if we're dealing with
you know Napoleonic invasions.
Anywho, um idea who they werefighting, though.
Yeah, yeah, not a clue.
Yeah, so we then get introducedto Evelyn, who's in the library
and ends up on a ladder andknocks down monster-sized
(20:18):
bookcases.
They they go over likedominoes, and it raises the
issue of damage to the libraryby by an employee, and this
raises OSHA issues and others.
Who wants to jump in?
Kris Butler (20:32):
Well, you OSHA wouldn't have existed then.
No, but even even missed it byabout 10 years, by about 10
years.
Joshua Gilliland (20:41):
So that's that's the 30s when we get safe,
yeah.
Kris Butler (20:45):
The occupational uh safety and health act.
Joshua Gilliland (20:49):
So FDR time frame.
Okay, so we're in the it'spost-Theodore Roosevelt's square
deal, you know, with trying tominimize child labor and some of
the other, you know, bad thingsthat were happening to
employees.
With what do you mean you don'twant to work seven days a week,
14 hours a day?
Kris Butler (21:08):
What do you mean we can't lock you in a building
even if it gets you know thefire breaks out?
Joshua Gilliland (21:14):
Yeah, yeah.
Who needs that?
Um, but again, OSHA does saythat you have to have safe
working conditions, and I thinkthere were safe conditions.
It's her taking a ladder for awalk.
That's the problem.
Now, there could be an issuewith that should have been a
two-person job with somebodyholding the ladder so you don't
(21:38):
end up dying horribly, or havethe ladder hook onto the
shelves, yeah.
Kris Butler (21:43):
Yeah, and then you know, have a wheels on the
bottom so it can roll.
Joshua Gilliland (21:47):
Yeah, there are other ways where this isn't
dangerous.
Jordon Huppert (21:50):
So I'm she improperly trained in the use of
the ladder, Josh.
Joshua Gilliland (21:55):
It's well, it's the wrong tool for the for
the job, and so I mean that'd bemight be fine for painting the
bookcases or the walls in thelibrary, but for going along the
bookcases uh seems bad.
I so John Quincy Adams had thefirst presidential library, and
(22:18):
I went to it and it was coolbecause it's actually a library,
and it's one of those with theyou know, the the ladder that
rolls along, uh dream nerd.
You know, again, it's it's likesmall bar, and it's like, yep,
this literally is a library.
Jordon Huppert (22:38):
One of my friends built one of those.
I'm super jealous.
Rolling ladder hooks onto thebars of the sh everything.
Joshua Gilliland (22:46):
Is is it weird that I want one?
Jordon Huppert (22:48):
No, I want one too.
Joshua Gilliland (22:51):
This is my library, and I come here and
study and do work, and we'llhave nice paintings and other
fun stuff.
It'll have tea.
Uh, but again, it's weird tohave that as a goal, I think,
because you see that that'd bepretty cool.
But those bookshelves in thismovie aren't like bolted to the
(23:11):
floor, it's easy for them to goover like dominoes.
Kris Butler (23:17):
Yeah, that that makes it really unsafe because
you would think that even with abunch of books with that amount
of weight, they'd be kind ofeither not necessarily bolted
into the ground, but they wouldhave such a weight that they
would be maybe bottom heavy.
Joshua Gilliland (23:31):
Yeah, so you don't I I don't know if they get
earthquakes in regularly.
I mean, any part of the planetcan get an earthquake, but if
it's prone to earthquakes, is Ithink the more important
question.
Jordon Huppert (23:43):
I think Egypt's particularly prone to
earthquakes.
Joshua Gilliland (23:48):
Don't know, can ask.
It's a noble fact.
Uh, but yeah, you would wantthe bookshelves to not go
dominoes.
Um, but again, it looked likeit was a practical effect.
Stunt looked practical, goodfor them.
Jordon Huppert (24:04):
Apparently, it was all done in one take.
Joshua Gilliland (24:07):
It would have to be.
So it's it's uh oh, God blessthem.
All right, so Rick's in prisonand gonna get sentenced to
death.
How?
I mean, like, I just did anyonehear any rationale for what he
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did that got him a deathsentence?
Jordon Huppert (24:31):
He had a very good time.
Joshua Gilliland (24:36):
That's that's generally not a capital offense.
Jordon Huppert (24:39):
It's the only rationale they give.
Yeah.
Uh capital offenses for us aremurder and murder and maybe
treason.
I'm not sure treason is a goodone.
Yeah, treason's offense.
Joshua Gilliland (24:53):
Yeah, yeah, but it's yeah, highly specific.
Jordon Huppert (24:56):
Yeah, I I career public defender, we don't get
we don't get to that level.
Joshua Gilliland (25:02):
I I would hope not.
Kris Butler (25:04):
Um that's a rough afternoon if that's the client
call of you did what I thinkthere have only been 30 cases of
treason in in US history, andthe last one I think might be in
the 40s.
Joshua Gilliland (25:20):
Yeah, there were some World War II ones.
Kris Butler (25:23):
Yeah, there was Kramer versus United States, and
I'm totally not doing uh atreason video on Star Wars at
all.
Uh, but uh I I can I could pullup that document.
But no, I think uh yeah, so Ithink treason is under there and
it is not highly charged.
Sedition, oddly enough, is liketreason light.
Joshua Gilliland (25:46):
Yeah, there so during World War II, I looked
at this like a decade ago, soI'm going off memory.
There was like aid and comfortto the enemy cases.
There was an American citizenof Japanese descent who was in
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Japan at the start of World WarII and got stuck there and like
ended up working for theJapanese, either as like helping
do interrogations with POWs,the bad things that that got
him, I think might have been hiscitizenship removed.
Uh again, knowable fact.
(26:28):
Uh, but uh it's some of thosetype of cases.
And I think there were, Ithink, some attempted treason
cases with people of Germandescent in New York, and some of
the German spies were droppedoff via submarine, like looked
up their buddies, and it's like,hey Klaus, how did how did you
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get here?
And you know, and it was like,Hey, can you help me go blow up
a factory?
And it was like, No, no, I willnot.
I like it here.
Kris Butler (27:00):
Um, so there was one guy who his son uh was um a
spy for the Germans, and he washelping his son do things, but
he was doing it because he'sjust helping his son, whereas
that that was the defense hetook, and he got convicted of
treason.
Now he didn't get the deathpenalty for it, he got life in
prison.
(27:20):
But yeah, that was like housefee something.
Joshua Gilliland (27:27):
Yeah, there's uh not good, not good.
Uh I'm curious to see what thethe guy who the former sailor,
there still might be sailor, youknow, who ended up burning down
one of our you know a uh attackships, uh, you know, the one of
the baby aircraft carriers, andit was something about his mom,
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who's also of Chinese descent,thought it'd be a good idea for
him to be able to get a job withthe Chinese government if he
you know turned over US statesecrets.
Um, what's how's that trialplay out?
Mom said I should betray mycountry.
Kris Butler (28:07):
Hey, if you have the intent to betray your
country to an enemy, there itis.
Joshua Gilliland (28:11):
Yeah, and and do you how long mom now needs to
be lumped in as part of the ofa conspirator?
Kris Butler (28:17):
So uh again could be co-defended at that point,
and there's and there's awitness.
You need two witnesses.
Joshua Gilliland (28:25):
Yeah.
So there's a whole bunch ofissues with O'Connell getting
the death sentence by hanging.
Like we don't I don't think anystate still allows hanging
unless it's some weird onethat's uh we still have a firing
squad, at least we Utah stillhas the firing squad.
Yeah, isn't Utah you can selectthe way your menu of of how you
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want to be executed, and that'sthat's why someone picked
firing squad.
Kris Butler (28:55):
Yeah.
Joshua Gilliland (28:55):
Okay.
Which feels awful to me, butit's again, it's there there
aren't a lot of good ways todie, uh, besides like old and in
bed.
Kris Butler (29:07):
Um the last hanging took place in Delaware in 1996.
Joshua Gilliland (29:13):
Yeah, I don't think that's something we've got
to do.
Kris Butler (29:15):
Not as long ago as you want it to be.
Yeah, I was like, I wassurprised it said that you know,
I would have thought it wouldhave probably gone out, I would
say, the 70s.
Joshua Gilliland (29:25):
At the latest or 30s, like you you think
that's the sort of thing thatwould have stopped during World
War II?
Like, we would have just notdone it anymore post Roosevelt,
like definitely not Truman orEisenhower, but okay, if it's
during the Clintonadministration, yeah.
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Okay, well, that's upsetting.
All right, so we have abuses ofa prisoner, they they do not
treat uh O'Connell well.
Kris Butler (29:57):
So that's the other thing is is this a State-ran
prison or like a government-ranprison, or is this just, you
know, there's been some personjust appointed in charge of this
area and he's just doingwhatever he wants.
He just sort of given uncheckedpower.
Joshua Gilliland (30:16):
Yeah, I I thought it was unchecked power,
and I don't know if it's statesponsored, or if this is like a
like warlord or corporate ruledarea where it's, you know,
again, there's negotiations withthis leader uh for Jack to, or
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excuse me, for Rick to not beexecuted and ordered in and like
there there's negotiations onlike 25% of what we find, and we
need them alive in order to doso.
I mean, like that's warden.
Okay.
Jordon Huppert (30:54):
That's his credit.
Joshua Gilliland (30:57):
So a warden deciding I'm not going to carry
out an execution order because Iwant to go treasure hunting.
The warden doesn't have thepower to grant that kind of
clemency.
Kris Butler (31:14):
Nope.
Joshua Gilliland (31:17):
Nor do we want warden to not legally.
No, we nor do we want a wardento have that kind of power uh to
to do that either.
Like that's just that's badmojo.
Kris Butler (31:29):
Public corruption.
Joshua Gilliland (31:31):
Yeah.
And yeah, and yeah, easy motifof the corrupt warden of like,
well, we can pay him off fromSha Shank to other movies as
well and TV shows.
All right, we have sexualbattery.
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Uh O'Connell kissing Evelyn.
Uh, that's that's a sexualbattery.
That's just wrong.
And when he's confronted by it,it's like seemed like a good
idea at the time because Ithought it was going to die.
That um Evelyn did not likehearing that.
Jordon Huppert (32:16):
No.
Joshua Gilliland (32:19):
Just just say no.
Just just don't.
All right.
So we have a performancecontract that's entered for Rick
to lead everyone to the city ofthe dead.
And it's a multi-partycontract.
So the contract's technicallybetween Evelyn and the warden,
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but it's to be performed byRick.
And that's how Rick gets out ofjail is by this performance.
Does that make him athird-party beneficiary?
But he has to perform.
Is he a late party to thecontract?
What do you gentlemen think?
Jordon Huppert (33:04):
He does presumably agree to it at some
point.
Kris Butler (33:08):
Yeah, but then you have the issue of unequal
bargaining power because it'slike do this or die.
Jordon Huppert (33:14):
Yeah.
Pretty clearly duress.
Yeah.
Agree to take us there, joinour contract, or we'll kill you.
Kris Butler (33:22):
Is there extortion here?
Joshua Gilliland (33:25):
Yeah, there's a yeah, that's pretty intense
because uneven bargainbargaining power, and he's not
part of the original deal.
So, you know, his he gets astay of execution and
effectively told, take me to thecity of the dead to go find
treasure, and you get to gofree.
Jordon Huppert (33:46):
Yeah.
Or is there an argument thatEevee is acting as his agent?
He says, Get me out of here,and I'll take you to Haminoptra.
Kris Butler (33:55):
Mm-hmm.
That's true.
Joshua Gilliland (33:58):
That's good catch.
Kris Butler (34:02):
Or is it a work release program?
Jordon Huppert (34:06):
I mean, if the warden could commute sentences,
then why not give him fullauthority over work release?
Joshua Gilliland (34:14):
Yeah, that's that's a lot of power for a
warden because now it's it'slike the governor granting
clemency.
It's it's normally an executivethat gets to do that, as in
like the leader of the state orthe city or no country.
Jordon Huppert (34:30):
It's not so pretty sure you're not allowed
to do that in exchange for 25%of a treasure.
Joshua Gilliland (34:37):
Yeah, ultra virus.
Like that, this is well outsideyour job duties.
I mean, I don't know.
Kris Butler (34:43):
It seemed to work out for Nick Cage in National
Treasure.
He donated uh, you know, like98 or 99 percent of the treasure
that they found, and he gotaway with committing a litany of
crimes.
That was after the fact, that'sjust plea bargaining.
Joshua Gilliland (34:58):
Yeah, it's a little presidential pardon, you
know, action there, but it'sit's not like the the head of
the Smithsonians like we'regonna go on an adventure.
I mean, first off, that wouldbe cool, like if that were let's
call Hollywood.
Jordon Huppert (35:15):
Yeah, side note idea for a movie.
Joshua Gilliland (35:18):
Everyone, we're we're going to Mount
Rushmore, and it's like yeah,that that doesn't happen.
Fun idea.
Jordon Huppert (35:25):
They're closed right now, they might be
willing.
Joshua Gilliland (35:29):
We're gonna fund this baby one way or
another.
Uh let's go find the lostDutchman mine and uh off the
gold country.
Okay, so those are all thingsthat happen.
Uh we have uh Benny shows upalive.
(35:50):
Now, an earlier issue withBenny is if Benny and Rick were
on a joint venture to findtreasure, did Benny breach his
fiduciary duty to Rick byabandoning him at the beginning
(36:12):
of the film?
Jordon Huppert (36:18):
I mean you'd have to go through the other
layer of the first person to runis the captain.
And then Benny tells Rick thathe's the highest rank or
whatever he says, and thatRick's in charge now.
Joshua Gilliland (36:33):
And then Benny goes and like seals himself off
and leaves Rick and everyoneelse to die.
Is that yeah, I mean, therethere are weird issues that if
they're off book from the FrenchForeign Legion, like they're
they've gone rogue at this atthis point.
So from a public policystandpoint, we wouldn't say
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that's a joint venture, we'llsay it's a conspiracy, and
conspirators do not have a dutyof loyalty or fiduciary duties
to each other because we don'twant to encourage that conduct.
If they were operating underthe French Foreign Legion, then
there could be issues ofdereliction of duty, conduct
(37:19):
unbecoming, and this is where weneed Thomas Harper to help us
understand what exactly is theFrench Foreign Legion, and do
they follow some version versionof a military code of justice?
Or are they mercenaries?
Like that's something I've wewe talk about the French Foreign
Legion like we all know what itis, but what is it?
Jordon Huppert (37:43):
So well, I think given that their their stated
purpose is to pillage a city oftreasure that they have no
particular right to, I'm notsure the military code of
justice for desertion is goingto be their big problem.
Joshua Gilliland (37:59):
Probably not.
Probably not.
I mean it's not like they'restealing from the Louvre in
broad daylight.
Kris Butler (38:07):
Yeah, who would do that?
Jordon Huppert (38:09):
That would never happen.
Kris Butler (38:10):
It was a low average crew.
Joshua Gilliland (38:14):
I mean, no ladders were involved in this
operation, so I mean it wasdaylight, but there's where was
Nick Cage at that point, by theway?
Well, I mean, if he's a there'sa theory he is a mortal.
You know, he could have beensomeplace else.
All right, so back to the boator the river boat.
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Rick throws Benny off the boatinto the channel because he's
upset at Benny's basicallyexistence because he's a weasel
that can't be trusted.
But I think throwing somebodyoverboard is attempted murder.
Jordon Huppert (38:57):
We also sold him out for the uh the route to
Hamanopra, too.
Joshua Gilliland (39:02):
Yeah, yeah.
It's well, how much of that wasEvie's brother like not keeping
his mouth shut to the other,yeah.
Kris Butler (39:15):
I don't know.
I I don't know if that's a uhuh attempted murder.
I I think at least here inMichigan it'd be assault with
intent to do great bodily harmbecause you know uh maybe uh
Rick didn't care whether helived or died, but at least here
in Michigan with an assault uhwith intent to commit murder,
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you have to have that intent tomurder.
I I think he just wanted tohurt him and wanted to get rid
of him and didn't really carewhether he lived or died.
Jordon Huppert (39:47):
Uncle I'm not entirely convinced you could
even say he wanted to hurt him.
Kris Butler (39:50):
I mean he was fine, yeah, yeah.
But I feel like if you throwsomeone off a boat, that's like
a high enough thing.
It's like if you push someoneoff of like the top of a car or
the top of a truck, like it isit's reasonable to assume
they're gonna get hurt.
Joshua Gilliland (40:08):
Yeah, I there's a drowning factor,
there's a hypothermia factor,there's you know, falling on
water can be like falling onconcrete, you know.
Kris Butler (40:17):
There could be there could be crocodiles since
they're in Egypt, you know.
Joshua Gilliland (40:21):
Yeah, I I do think that the uh it could at
least be manslaughter.
Uh well if Benny died, this isa different yeah, but but he
does survive because again, he'sa cockroach that keeps living.
Jordon Huppert (40:37):
Um which it does make alongside of the river,
yes.
Joshua Gilliland (40:42):
Which brings us to the the boat fire, and we
we have a fight, so O'Connelldoes notice that, like, hey,
there are wet footprints,meaning someone came on board,
goes to EB's cabin, a fightensues, and apparently there's
no fire suppression controlsystem on this vessel at all.
It's not like fire hoses hadn'tbeen invented by 1923.
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And and apparently the entireboat's made out of kindling, and
so you know, a fire starts andthen engulfs the entire vessel
with rapid speed.
As a boater, it's like, okay,like that sort of thing could
happen.
There's generally no shortageof volunteers to fight a fire on
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a ship because you're all inthe same boat literally.
And when there's a problem ofthat magnitude, people are quick
to fight the fire, but thatspreads fast and is out of
control quickly.
Who's liable for it?
Because it's the fire startsbecause of a fight in a
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stateroom where someone's tryingto either harm Evie or kill
her.
Gentlemen, what do you think?
Kris Butler (42:03):
I don't I don't think it matters unless there
was an intent to do it becausethe magi are trespassing.
And so what uh Okano and Evieare doing are self-defense or
defense of others, um on a placethey're legally allowed to be.
So I I think any harm thatcomes from it extends from the
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magi.
Jordon Huppert (42:26):
Yeah.
There's the other layer to thisthat I was noticing, which
bumps back to what Josh wassaying about ships not being
quite that flammable.
Um, you do see a couple of s uhshots of magi throwing torches
around and spreading the fire.
So like there's an if they'renot liable for the original
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fire, they are certainly liablefor uh spreading it.
Oh yeah.
Joshua Gilliland (42:53):
Yeah, because now they're it's it's the arson
with the intent to kill.
Yeah, because that's the otherweird part of the you know the
the gift of these magi.
They're uh they're they're notshy in trying to kill people.
All right, we now get to thetreasure hunting theft of
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cultural artifacts.
Jordon Huppert (43:16):
So here's before we jump to that, here's an
interesting question.
The magi know that these peopleare on a uh an archaeological
expedition to this uh ancientsecret city.
They know that at least two ofthe people on the boat know how
to get there, and they know thatif any idiot reads this book,
uh the world is going to end.
Do they have some defense toany of this?
(43:40):
Like is there the necessaryimminence to to run a
self-defense?
Joshua Gilliland (43:48):
But the theory It's not like someone's
intentionally or knowinglyreading from the book yet.
Kris Butler (43:56):
Yeah.
Joshua Gilliland (43:57):
And so you're trying to get it's it's trying
to kill someone because of astate secret and saying that the
home the the death is justifiedin order to keep that
information from getting out.
Kris Butler (44:14):
Yeah, because they don't even know for sure what
they're gonna do.
They could just get there andjust be like, huh, we found it,
all right, and then leave.
You know, they could, eventhough they have people that
have the ability to find it,they could easily get lost and
never find it.
Jordon Huppert (44:34):
Or, you know, they're very, very clearly there
for for archaeologicalpurposes.
You've got an Egyptologist onthe American team and Evie on
the team who are very clearlythere to you know study it.
Plus, you've got Rick and therest of the Americans who are
(44:57):
there to treasure hunt.
I think there's a decentargument that they have some
foreseeability that bad shit isgoing to happen if they get
there.
Kris Butler (45:07):
Yeah, but I don't know how much of a
foreseeability can be a defensewhen you know you they're so
removed from it at that point.
Yeah, you know, like if they'renot explicitly, I mean, I know
they're tasked to defend it, butby defend it by who?
Someone that's been dead forthousands of years, you know,
(45:27):
where where how long does thatimminence is definitely their
problem, yeah.
Joshua Gilliland (45:33):
And merely being on the joint venture to
find this cultural artifact doesnot necessarily mean that
someone has justifiablehomicide, that we're willing to
kill people to keep this asecret.
I think that's a problem.
(45:54):
Yeah, because it's one thing togo, they got the book and
they're about to resurrectemotep, and things are gonna get
ugly.
There's there's a defense ofothers argument at that point
when the defense of the other isliterally the entire planet.
We're not there yet.
(46:14):
Because they could be talkeddown with like you you all need
to stop.
But that is an interestingquestion.
All right, is the warning forthe curse act uh adequate?
Because the curse war excuseme, the warning states exactly
(46:34):
what would happen to everyoneinvolved.
It says don't read from thebook.
And uh here we go.
Jordon Huppert (46:45):
Well, it is clearly adequate enough for the
people who read the warning togo, I guess we better not read
that book then.
Joshua Gilliland (46:53):
Yeah, they stop, yeah, yeah.
They literally, and theEgyptologist is like holding on
to it, going, Nope.
Yeah, um, this can go to amuseum.
We're not gonna trigger the endof the world.
Jordon Huppert (47:05):
This belongs in a museum, it does.
Kris Butler (47:08):
Um, and and then the other thing that I should
have I should have put in there,we got booby traps.
You got booby traps, boobytraps are illegal, they're no
go.
Joshua Gilliland (47:20):
Yeah, it's no defense of property, no lethal
defense of property.
So it's one thing to have analarm that goes off, but when
darts start shooting or you getbeetles coming to eat your
flesh, yeah, that are thousandsof years old.
That no, no.
Moreover, just from a practicalaspect, like I get having
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treasure effectively in a bankbecause you want to protect it
and you want to be able to useit, but if no one can ever
withdraw it, it's useless atthat point.
That seems the the treasurevault always seemed like a weird
concept to me because you'vemade it unusable.
(48:07):
Are you just gonna visit andhang out in the gold, or are you
gonna use it to you know putroofs on schools?
We're gonna build new streetswith this.
We're gonna make sureeveryone's fed with this.
Instead, we're just gonna holdhoard the wealth.
Jordon Huppert (48:24):
I want to look at my pretty stuff, yeah, yeah,
and take it with me to theafterlife after I'm dead.
Joshua Gilliland (48:31):
But it's multi-generated.
Jordon Huppert (48:32):
No one else can look at my pretty stuff.
Kris Butler (48:34):
Yeah, it's mine.
It's I'll charge you to look atmy pretty stuff.
Joshua Gilliland (48:38):
I get that I get because there's at least a
profit being made, and othersare going to see it.
But uh, and I'm all forproperty being a bundle of
sticks, and you get to controlwhat happens to the sticks.
I I remember that well fromproperty, but this is from a I'm
with you.
Jordon Huppert (48:57):
I've never understood the idea.
Like, I get the bundle ofsticks theory, but I've never
understood the idea of takingyour bundle of sticks and
putting it somewhere where it isentirely useless to everyone
but you and largely useless toyou.
Joshua Gilliland (49:14):
Yeah, yeah, it's not like Scrooge McDuck
going for a swim in the in thegold, it's everyone who got it's
dead.
Jordon Huppert (49:22):
And the future generation Scrooge McDuck
swimming in the gold, but yeah.
Joshua Gilliland (49:27):
Yeah, it's like everybody else is dead.
This is of no use to thecurrent citizens of that country
because it's supposed to benational wealth.
And I again, if if it onlybenefited pharaohs, and the
pharaohs only added to it, theydidn't take it out with we're we
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want a new boat, we need a newaqueduct system.
It just it just seems weird tome that just that concept.
I know I'm dispelling theentire concept of of the movie
by attacking it because ofprinciple.
But again, it's like Lord ofthe or um uh the Hoppet.
(50:08):
It's like smog is just gonnahang out on a room full of gold.
Jordon Huppert (50:13):
And I think the principle of the movie is
different.
I mean, you do want to hideyour weapons of mass destruction
that you have made a personinto, and the ostensible keys to
that in the books you have.
That seems worth hiding in avery secure vault, not burying
in the city, surrounded byrandom people, but yeah.
Kris Butler (50:33):
I'm I get that just go toss it in a vote volcano.
Let's just be be done with it.
Joshua Gilliland (50:38):
We're gonna be very sure he's not coming back.
Yeah, yeah.
Fill them full of concrete,dump them off uh the continental
shelf in 3,000 feet of water,we're good.
Kris Butler (50:48):
Like he's not it's only an issue in Transformers,
yeah.
Joshua Gilliland (50:55):
Again, only like 5,000 guys died on the
aircraft carrier getting sunk.
We're just gonna skip over thatpart.
All right.
That's a deep cut.
Kris Butler (51:07):
So all right.
Joshua Gilliland (51:10):
So uh after the the escape from the first
escape from the city of thedead, was Jack's or excuse me,
Jack, why do I keep doing all?
Um, was Rick's contractperformed because he makes a con
you know comment about like,I'm done, we're getting out of
here, which I think is the rightanswer.
(51:32):
Answer time to go, bye-bye.
Kris Butler (51:35):
Got him to Haminoptra and got him out.
Jordon Huppert (51:37):
Yep.
He performed.
I'm not entirely sure thecontract was even to get them
out.
I think it was just to get themthere.
That's true.
Joshua Gilliland (51:44):
Yeah.
The you know, uh the the guys onMonster Party talked about
event horizon, you know, and andthere's the scene where you
know the the the boarding crewwatches you know camera crew
footage of the prior crew alldying horribly, and the
captain's response response iswe're leaving.
Kris Butler (52:06):
That's yep, that's the right move.
Jordon Huppert (52:10):
Yep.
Joshua Gilliland (52:11):
No.
Uh uh, but the problem pay meenough for this.
Jordon Huppert (52:16):
Bye.
Joshua Gilliland (52:19):
I'm going to London.
So yeah.
Uh but here, yeah, I do thinkhis contract was performed.
And now it's, you know, he's ateam player with Evie and her
brother, and good times, goodtimes.
We next have so apparentlythere's an RAF pilot left over
(52:46):
from World War One that's justhanging out waiting to die.
Jordon Huppert (52:53):
And he's he seems to be staffing some random
garrison that's still there.
But he's the only staff.
Kris Butler (53:01):
Which I think I it kind of makes sense given that
uh the last time that uh Francewas in Egypt in any kind of
combat was 1890s, and this guyseems like he's in his like late
60s or early 70s, that you knowhe would have been left over
from that.
Joshua Gilliland (53:20):
Yeah, yeah, but it's he's supposed to be
from the UK.
Jordon Huppert (53:24):
Yeah, he's very distinctly British.
Kris Butler (53:26):
Oh, yeah, he was.
I forgot about that.
Joshua Gilliland (53:28):
And and so if you're a World War One pilot,
which is the teens, so let'sjust say 1914-15, and airplanes
were new.
So he's been there for let'sjust say nine years.
Like he would have been an oldpilot to begin with, so you
(53:51):
know, with airplane technologybeing new, and uh, and maybe
that happened again.
We're far enough away thatthere are I I don't I think all
the World War I vets are nowgone.
Kris Butler (54:02):
Oh British troops started in Egypt in 1882, so he
could have been in there fromany time after that and just
spent chilling and became apilot, and which is again weird
for you only got one guy at thegarrison.
Joshua Gilliland (54:20):
What dances with wolves bonkers-ness is that
we're sending one guy, um yeah,uh the British maybe it was a
just we need to maintain our ourpresence here, but that's but
that seems inadequate.
It's like why not four or five?
Like, because then the onedude's always on watch, the one
(54:44):
dude's maintaining his aircraftby himself, so there's no ground
crew, there's no support staff,it's there was nothing to do,
they weren't expecting him to doanything.
Jordon Huppert (54:54):
But I mean, you still left him an airplane is
somewhat of a mystery.
Kris Butler (54:57):
Maybe, maybe he pissed someone off.
No, like this is gonna be yourassignment.
Yep, this is where you're gonnadie.
Joshua Gilliland (55:07):
Whoops, uh sure.
But again, it's weird that I'mmy own air crew.
Kris Butler (55:15):
Yeah.
Joshua Gilliland (55:16):
Um, because it's like here's the jobs for
multiple people, and we just gotLenny stuck there, you know, in
the desert, waiting for the dayhe can finally die in peace.
That that's a that's a lot forKing and Country.
So we get to the you know, thebig fight.
(55:38):
There's uh that's too weird toget into with it's self-defense
and and defense of others inorder to save the day.
Uh there's the the age-oldissue of is you know fighting a
mummy desecration of a corpse.
Kris Butler (55:54):
Probably I don't know, the corpse can fight back.
Joshua Gilliland (55:57):
Yeah, that's the thing.
Kris Butler (55:59):
It's like only if you lose because the other thing
is, I mean, technically, whenthe corpse like throws a punch,
technically, it you know, it'san old corpse, it could be
breaking just by hitting me.
That that's the corpse's fault.
But also, if he's alive,doesn't he get culpability back
(56:22):
because he's still living andhe's you know, uh how isn't he
more alive than dead at acertain point after he takes
enough organs and body partsfrom people?
Joshua Gilliland (56:34):
Yeah, so there are multiple mummies at at play
here.
So we have emotep, which issuper being dangerous, killing
people, and and in gruesomeways.
You then get his priestspopping out of the ground, and
they're loyal to him.
And then when you get the otherbook opened, the the good guys
(56:56):
are in ultimately in control ofthose soldiers who've been
reanimated, but it appears theydon't have free will anymore,
they're just puppets, which isweird.
But again, like if they'redead, it's like okay, so the
soul isn't there, so you're justdealing with a corpse at that
(57:17):
point that you can command.
It's weird.
The law's not designed forfighting mummies.
Yeah, nope.
We don't have a mummy.
Yeah, we don't have a mummyepidemic, you know.
Kris Butler (57:34):
The uh I'm calling my congresswoman.
Joshua Gilliland (57:37):
Yeah.
Uh uh, governor, you know,there's California.
We just had a bunch of lawssigned into effect and a you
know, bunch vetoed because thelegislature was busy.
I don't want to get into whatwas approved and what was not,
but there was a lot ofeverything that that was on the
table.
Kris Butler (57:57):
None of I'll write a memo for Big Gretsch.
That's what I'll put the internon in my office.
Joshua Gilliland (58:01):
Yeah, it's like she, Madam Governor.
We want to talk about the mummyproblem.
Yeah, I see.
Kris Butler (58:10):
This is what uh a law professor needs to do for
you know uh constitutional lawor something like that.
Just be like, all right, whatconstitutional rights do mummies
have?
Write a memo on it, convinceme.
Joshua Gilliland (58:24):
It's if they're dead, they're like a
cultural artifact and there'sdesecration of corpse rules that
kick into play.
Um like you shouldn't take themfrom another country and bring
them here as an exhibit.
It's one thing if that countrydoes a world tour with said
mummy.
I always felt that was in weirdpoor taste, but that's my spin
(58:49):
on it.
And we we don't again we don'twant uh Native Americans put on
display.
I mean, like that's just sickand wrong and would violate our
desecration of the corpse lawsin various states, like that
would not be acceptable.
(59:09):
But this but when they get upand they start fighting, that's
a new one, and luckily not onewe have to deal with yet.
There would be people todevelop practice areas, yeah.
Were you a loved one injured bya mummy?
Kris Butler (59:32):
Like mummy thelioma.
Joshua Gilliland (59:42):
Well done, dude.
Bravo, you you win tonight.
You win check mate, all youclear the board, all you.
Um brilliant.
Kris Butler (59:59):
This is just
Joshua Gilliland (01:00:00):
be the title like have you or a loved one
suffered from a mummy theliomayou may be entitled to
compensation I mean we knowwhere the deep pocket is we want
some of that okay so anythingelse from this 1999 classic uh
(01:00:31):
legal no but uh it does uh makeme laugh every time I watch this
movie that um the curatorcharacter uh when Evie and
Jonathan walk into his officeand he's got the map and he's uh
looking at it and he's talkingabout how he doesn't speak in
(01:00:52):
ancient Egyptian he is uh thesame actor uh Eric Avari plays
Kasuf in the Stargate franchisespeaks ancient Egyptian and it
makes me laugh every timebecause there's only what four
years difference between thosetwo movies um yeah I think maybe
(01:01:17):
uh the movie Stargate may havebeen 92 no no I show Stargate
was coming on right around whenthis movie came out and he's in
that too got small world haveeither of you been on the mummy
ride at Universal Studios yepclassic ride uh Jordan I have
(01:01:39):
not okay I think it's one of thebest roller coasters ever it's
it's fantastic a backwards dropyou expect it to go forward and
it goes backwards and I I wentwith a bunch of friends after a
legal conference in Orlando andone of my colleagues was so
(01:02:02):
terrified as soon as thathappened her hand came down on
my thought uh like leg as a clawand sunk in oh man uh um she
apologized afterwards but bloodcurdling scream like it was it
was worth it but wow uh Ihaven't been I don't know if
(01:02:25):
they have that the Californiaone uh it's been a long time
since I've been to to Universalin California so I'm due for a
trip but uh yeah it's anincredible ride it costs 40
million dollars to make wow wowfor location or just uh I uh
(01:02:45):
let's see uh this retrievedarticle uh da da no yeah they uh
I think to to repurpose the oldET uh ride they spent forty
(01:03:09):
dollars on like building it outand uh doing all the effects
fascinating so when I didOrlando we also did et so I
think Orlando still has bothyeah um but yeah it's worth a
(01:03:30):
trip to Universal to to go dothat oh yeah and then now you
got Epic Universal is there it'seven more but oh I would so
love to go do that um I will doit but uh I will fortunately get
to do it a month from nowOrlando or California Orlando
nice very nice so well that's alot for this movie and uh a lot
(01:03:58):
of good legal issues and uh itwas again it's a fun movie there
are I I've seen social mediaposts of people doing photo ops
with uh Frazier at cons andpeople in different cosplay from
the mummy movies and it's justlike that's adorable I like it
(01:04:19):
just uh yeah it's just a lot oflove for for the actors and and
the story so again it's justit's just fun so yeah yeah so
it's a fun franchise yeah I likeI wasn't a fan of the third one
as much just because of yeahbut uh the second one is a is a
(01:04:41):
good time uh second one isamazing yeah you can't have the
lead actress go like there's noway I have a 20 year old son no
I'm out and she was right yeahum that's silly you're gonna
give me a lot of gray hair uhmake this like the 1950s no
(01:05:04):
that's weird uh on the flip sideuh yeah the second one's a lot
of fun and we'll need to do thattoo so so that for everyone
thanks for tuning in uh thisagain continues our spooky
season analysis there's a littlemore coming and uh uh Chris and
Jordan thanks for helpingtonight and for everyone out
(01:05:26):
there uh wherever you are staysafe stay healthy stay spooky
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